Robert David Steele

[giovonni]

"False flag terrorism, TPP secrets, and how the richest 1% are killing the goose that killed the golden egg are discussed with Robert David Steele. The former reform party candidate for president explains how there are seven shadow governments at work in America, and how billionaires are exploiting the government, and how neither Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren can save us from corruption. The reason Obama should be impeached, and the overwhelming need for electoral reform is discussed in this uncensored Buzzsaw" ...


GUEST BIO:
Robert David Steele is an American activist and former Central Intelligence Agency clandestine services case officer. He is known for his promotion of open source intelligence. He was a candidate for the Reform Party's nomination for President of the United States in the 2012 presidential election until February 23, 2012.

Published on Jun 19, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ_s_waokDg

[giovonni]

Lots of truth / Good stuff !

[RunningDeer]

Lots of truth / Good stuff !

Yes, thanks for posting, Gio.

[Kryztian]

Good food for thought. Some good comparisons between Ron Paul and Sanders - we can probably expect that they will cheat him out of primaries. And even if Sanders would become president, just as if Ron Paul had won, there isn't a whole lot they can do to change the nation.

[robinr1]

that was surprisingly a very great video....thank you

[M0JFK]

A fantastic post...thanks. The chap's only fault is giving the elites a free pass...feck that, you try em, then you hang em. You hang them high.

[Karezza]

Thought it does warrant a new thread but may fit here.

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Investigative Journalism by Media Matters (Full Video (http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/05/22/watch-this-atlanta-tv-station-expose-alecs-infl/203745))

[DNA]

I just finished listening to this, and I thought I might share the notes I've jotted down regarding it. My initial impression of this man is that he is profoundly intelligent. One is struck by how much one needs to learn while listening to this man. He is constantly sprinkling in sources of study for those who are so inclined. My notes are by no means inclusive, there is enough information in just this one video for pages of notes to be made by any who wish to contribute.


The major thrusts are
1. Electoral Reform
2. Education of voters through a Trump Channel
3. Restore FBI as a counter intelligence agency to police the CIA/NSA


Reince Preibus is mentioned constantly as a traitor and Robert David Steele is constantly going back to Preibus stating that if Trump doesn't get rid of Preibus he may be compromised.


In regards to the attempts by the MSM to birsmirch those actually seeking the truth outside of the MSM Robert David Steele mentions how the CIA began doing this after the JFK assassination knowing full well that Alan Dulace of the CIA led the assassination of JFK.


Robert mentions how the education system has dumbed down America and reduced emphasis on critical thinking. He recommends a book called "Weapons of Mass Instruction" by John Taylor Gotto published 2009.


The topic of pedophilia among the democratic party came up and Robert David Steele states this is absolutely happening and that this is how the NSA/CIA control all of congress.
Robert states that the democratic party is not alone in this, and that Republicans are probably 3X as bad in this regard. Referring to Republicans as this being a core practice where as democrats are new to this and it has become an acquired taste.
Robert states that until something is done about the NSA/CIA spying and blackmailing with impunity nothing can ever be done to change our country.


All charities including Red Cross are scams. The Clinton Foundation may be the worst all time while taking billions and paying out a trivial 5 million.
The Clintons are also responsible for having arrested and imprisoned more black people through their Clinton Crime Bill than were emancipated in 1885.


Robert goes on to state that War and Refugees are a source of profit for Wall Street. Saying how children are sold to pedophiles, satanic cults and are killed in ceremonies and their blood drank by these mother f*ck*rs.


Mentions that John Wesley Clark did an excellent Youtube video "The United States Foreign Policy Coup". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY2DKzastu8


Robert David Steele asked a high ranking Chinese diplomat "why haven't the rothschilds been assassinated?" His answer is here. http://phibetaiota.net/2016/06/robert-steele-why-have-the-rothchilds-not-been-assassinated-a-chinese-perspective-combined-with-truth-reconciliation/


Robert David Steele seems to think there is a possibility that the Rothschild grandchildren may bring about change in the economic system. One such is Lynn Forrester Rothschild. Personally I know nothing about this lady but here is a speaking engagement by her on the worlds economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEqQahVj8FM


And finally I'll mention the statement that Donald Trump won't be president in 2018 unless he addresses the three points first mentioned in these notes. He is a target for assassination, impeachment and constant slander/libel.


When looking for a remedy for the situation David mentions that there needs to be an exit strategy for the elite. Immunity so to speak for past crimes. If we want to get the truth on the table and work from there then we need to acknowledge that there are two legal systems, one for the elite and one for the rest of us. For those seeking vengeance I feel you but David makes a good point in wanting to do whatever it will take to move on and immunity for past crimes may be a good start. David states "You don't want to back guys into a corner who have billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of mercenaries".
For more on truth and reconciliation he recommends Matt Tobey's "Grifftopia" and "The Divide".


Thanks to Onawah who introduced this video on the Kanye West thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkse6CLLJFM
rkse6CLLJFM

[Cidersomerset]

Bump ~ A good interview cheers.....

[onawah]

Trump should hire him!

[gord]

I've been paying attention to Robert David Steele for years. He does seem to be one of the good guys.

[sanma]

Also he's written many many reviews on amazon.
He has good taste in reading.
You could get quite an education just following what he reads.

[DNA]

I also forgot to mention how he states that Trump was an accidental President. He states that Trump was supposed to lose according to odds makers anywhere from 20-1 to 200-1. And this was right up until the election. He stated that the clincher was Hillary complaining that the Wikileaks docs were an attempt by the Russians to influence the election. This apparently caused a massive pre-election day review of all electronic voting machines, these same voting machines are what Hillary used to defeat Bernie Sanders and steal the democratic nomination. Without being able to out and out cheat, Hillary lost the election.
Amazing!!!!
Well, amazing if true.

[Innocent Warrior]

Everybody gets the truth, nobody goes to jail - I love that, I've thought it myself before but I can't see that happening for quite some time yet. I don't see enough cool heads or the compassionate hearts required for that to be constructive when all is said and done. There would also need to be a lot of work to be done to make that fair (fixing existing cases of wrongful imprisonment for a start). And then could they handle the truth and stick to the agreement once they knew it? I imagine it could boil the blood of saints upon hearing of it. It's a beautiful idea but too beautiful for this world just yet, it would probably cause more chaos than it's worth. I used to get irritated when I heard people say the public can't handle the truth, until I saw the ugly truth of how our culture has fostered the attitude that it's perfectly fine to be evil to someone who's been deemed evil. I find that one of the most evil characteristics of our society.

[RunningDeer]

RobertDavidSteele.com (http://robertdavidsteele.com) & Public Intelligence Blog (http://phibetaiota.net)

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Former CIA Spy Has A Surprising Message For Trump

“Dear Mr. Trump,

I am among the tens of millions who voted for you, and also among the twenty thousand or so that spent fifteen months obsessively devoted to getting you elected. I went to bed in tears on election night, only to be woken at midnight by my wife to watch the miracle unfold. I have never had an answer to over twenty-five attempts – including three personal visits to Paul Manafort’s office in Alexandria – to tell you what I am going to post below. Perhaps someone will read this and in a second miracle, you will hear my voice. I am going to make seven points with seven paragraphs and seven graphics.

#1 You are not only an accidental president, you are a fringe president.

27% of the eligible voters elected you (1% more than elected Barack Obama). 26% of the eligible voters hate you with the passion common to the brain-washed or brain-dead, and 47% did not vote at all. My best-selling Kindle Short, Donald Trump, the Accidental President – Under Siege! (also available free online here) documents how you won against all odds (20-1 at best, 200-1 at worst) because Hillary Clinton was not able to use the same electronic voting fraud against you that she used to steal thirteen primaries from Bernie Sanders. That was the big one; in combination with her calling us all “deplorables,” her spaz attack in NYC, her doctor and nurse in constant attendance, and of course the emails leaked by insiders – not the Russians, John Brennan is a liar plain and simple – she lost more than you won. A miracle. Get a grip. You do not represent all of us, you represent 27% of us, and fixing that should be your first priority. Here is the political landscape – note that the Establishment – the two-party tyranny that opposed you to the bitter end – controls 30% of the vote. Your mission is to mobilize the 47% who did not vote in 2016, toward joining the Movement you lead in time to impact on 2018, while embracing the Sandernistas and the Libertarians and Tea Party Conservatives to the fullest extent.


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#2 You cannot govern responsibly as long as our electoral system is corrupt.

The electoral system is rigged twelve different ways not counting George Soros’ funding of protestors and the occasional false flag shooting of cops to be blamed on blacks. Although you spoke to a rigged system, and your allies blocked Hillary Clinton from leveraging the electronic voting fraud option she used so successfully against Bernie Sanders, there are at least two sucking chest wounds in our political process that you need to address, ideally before you submit a single nomination to the Senate. First, you must free the Members from their dependence on campaign finance controlled by the extreme wealthy, the banks, and the various industrial complexes, from the agricultural to the educational to the military to the pharmaceutical to the prison complexes. Second, you must break the back of the two-party tyranny and open the halls of Congress to a swing vote – Independents and members of small parties. I had to run for president in 2012 to learn that there are six accredited small parties (eligible for matching federal funds) that are blocked from ballot access by the two-party tyranny. The Republican Party is delusional in thinking that it can avoid the same implosion that befell the Democratic Party. Now is the time for you to go direct to the public, mobilize the 47%, and demand an Electoral Reform Act of 2017 – a Unity Act. The system is rigged twelve different ways. Challenge Senator Chuck Schumer on this, and if he fights you, bury him.


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#3 The media purveys fake news. 

Between now and Inauguration Day you should ask Mike Flynn, your National Security Advisor, to sit down with Kellyanne Conway, Brad Parscale (Giles-Parscale), Andrew Garfield (Glevum Associates), and me, to discuss the repurposing of the White House floor space and resources now wasted on the fake news press. In my view, this space could house the National Security Advisor and a Grand Strategy Cell that is directly supportive of your thinking about Whole of Government strategy and policy; a Trump Studio that broadcasts a mix of Trump appointees, subject matter experts, and regular Public Briefings that cannot be filtered or manipulated by the corrupt media and are vastly superior to the crap you are getting in the President’s Daily Brief; a presidential polling unit under Kellyanne’s direct control but leveraging the extraordinary methodologies of Andrew Garfield and Glevum Associates as well as others far superior to the mediocrities used by the media during the campaign; and an Open Source element that can give you 90% of what you need in the way of decision-support at very low cost – with the added advantage that being unclassified, this intelligence can be shared widely.

[RunningDeer]

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Summary:




UPDATE of 20 December 2016: This is not over by a long stretch. The despicable treasonous misbehavior of John Brennan (Saudi-funded Director of the CIA) and the severe misbehavior of Jim Clapper and Barack Obama in failing to shut down the lies from CIA about Russian hacking (newsflash: NSA and CIA spy on our politicians with impunty, insiders did both the hacking and the leaking) will stand in history as a low point in US politics. This is NOT over.

Wayne Madsen has written:

President-elect Trump is facing a two-pronged attack by his opponents. One, led by entrenched neo-con bureaucrats, including former Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Agency director Michael Hayden, former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, and Bush family loyalists are seeking to call the shots on who Trump appoints to senior national security, intelligence, foreign policy, and defense positions in his administration. These neo-Cold Warriors are trying to convince Trump that he must maintain the Obama aggressiveness and militancy toward Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, and other countries. The second front arrayed against Trump is from Soros-funded political groups and media. This second line of attack is a propaganda war, utilizing hundreds of anti-Trump newspapers, web sites, and broadcasters, that will seek to undermine public confidence in the Trump administration from its outset.

As protests and riots continue and spread – high school students are now being organized by professional agitators and covert social media campaigns designed to forment civil stress against the President-Elect, Trump has been slow to recognize that he is a 27% “fringe” president (as Barack Obama was and as Hillary Clinton would have been), and slow to understand that his first priority, having been elected “unshackeled” and therefore an existential threat to the dual Democratic-Republican Establishment that represents only 30% of the eligible voters, must be to unify the country by educating the 73% who did not vote for him, on how the system is rigged twelve different ways, and by passing the Electoral Reform Act – the Unity Act – to demonstrate to one and all that our President-Elect represents the fastest, cheapest path toward restoring integrity to our government and making our government, for the first time in a very long time, one that is Of, By, and For We the People instead of the 1%.

Only after doing this – and securing a mandate twice that of any prior president (by engaging the 47% that did not vote and the 26% who voted for Hillary Clinton (less the three million illegal immigants and dead people – she did not win the popular vote), can he then begin to plan for the future.

An Electoral Reform Act – a Unity Act – empowers the President-Elect by stopping the protests and demonstrating his resolve to represent the 99% instead of the 1%; by liberating the Members of Congress from dependency on lobbyists and corporate funding; and by exploding the talent pool available to him should he decided to create an open system, a Kennedy-esque system that integrates the best and the brightest from across the political spectrum.

A Grand Strategy Summit in which candidates for ALL Cabinet positions and from ALL sources are tested against one another before being considered by President-Elect Trump, and a Presidential Academy that trains the incoming political leadership cadre as a whole, are the two additional recommendations being made to President-Elect Donald Trump.

Anyone not supporting a peaceful transition of power to this miracle President is a traitor. Trump is a blessing in part because he is "unshackeled" -- he is not beholden to anyone outside those few who truly believed in him and have been loyal when all others repudiated him. He has the power to unrig the system and create an evidence-based government that is Of, By, and For the 99% -- We the People. He merits our support, our prayers, and our ideas.


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Summary:




The only people actually inciting violence at Donald Trump rallies are the organized agitators, including convicted felon and terrorist Bill Ayers, who are violating – with malice aforethought – the First Amendment rights of the participants in these private events. We now know that George Soros has committed major funding toward a wave of civil agitation explicitly aimed at disrupting Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

There will be no riots. This is a scare tactic from the two-party tyranny Establishment that is utterly terrified of populism and pitchforks. More to the point, veterans – over twenty one million of them – and law enforcement officers – close to three million of them – have turned against the elite 1% and appear firmly committed to restoring democracy in the USA.

I was a white Latino minor multi-millionaire. I lost my business to US Government security apparatchiks that could not compute 7,500 foreign contacts cheerfully declared, and I have been unemployed – a stint in Afghanistan and ten nights as a Lowe’s receiving clerk not-with-standing – since 1 January 2008. I can testify that the real unemployment rate is 23%, and in my demographic, as well as those of people of color, single moms, and new college graduates, it is closer to 40%. I have no salary, no pension, no savings, and no property. At several points I have had to worry about being able to repair a borrowed car, and at one point I did not have the $30 to repair the zipper on my one usable winter coat. Now I am a black homeless person and for the first time I begin to understand their centuries of abuse and deprivation at the hands of “the Establishment.”

We are all black now. That is the central unstated premise of this electoral cycle.

This is my country and I want it back – Jim Hightower, long one of my heroes, got that exactly right with his 2004 book Thieves in High Places: They’ve Stolen Our Country and It’s Time to Take It Back. Jim is not a Republican and in today’s environment of legalized political crime he could hardly be called a Democrat – I think of him the way Ike Eisenhower thought of himself: as an American.

My focus is not on a particular candidate winning the presidency, but rather on restoring integrity to the whole – I am especially concerned about two-party corruption and grid-lock within the Congress, which has abdicated its Article 1 responsibility under the Constitution, and turned all members less the Tea Party members into party-line drones who are in constant betrayal of the public trust.

Put bluntly, if we can pass an Electoral Reform Act of 2016 that restores integrity to Congress, I can live with Hillary Clinton as President – but I would prefer to go for broke: Trump-Sanders in the White House, and 20-30 Members of Congress who are not part of the two-party tyranny, and who refuse to caucus with either half of this despotic cabal.

The question then jumps out: Why has Senator Bernie Sanders ignored my six attempts to get him to sponsor the Electoral Reform Act of 2016, challenging the Republican leaders – especially the righteous Tea Party Republicans – to see that opening the doors to Constitution, Green, Independent, Justice, Libertarian, No Party Preference, Reform, and Working Families Members will be good for everyone less the corrupt elite?

In this white paper I to do three things:


Outline the explicit preconditions of revolution that exist in the USA today

Outline the substance of governance and some issues not being discussed by anyone

Summarize specific steps we can take to restore integrity to our now-defunct democracy

Pay attention. I am trying to avoid those riots being incited by the “Establishment,” with George Soros now doing to America what he did to the Eastern European countries – only there he installed fascists, here he wants to keep the existing financial fascists in power, using the easily manipulated unthinking “progressives."

God Bless America

[sheme]

As we feel there is more than what meets the eye going on with these protests- the stiring of emotion all orchestrated by the PTW I also think tpw are having to pay for the "peoples" help. Is anyone handing out free water or something else with it ?
May be Trump is waiting for Soros to run out of money- now that would hurt real bad-

[araucaria]

Everybody gets the truth, nobody goes to jail - I love that, I've thought it myself before but I can't see that happening for quite some time yet. I don't see enough cool heads or the compassionate hearts required for that to be constructive when all is said and done. There would also need to be a lot of work to be done to make that fair (fixing existing cases of wrongful imprisonment for a start). And then could they handle the truth and stick to the agreement once they knew it? I imagine it could boil the blood of saints upon hearing of it. It's a beautiful idea but too beautiful for this world just yet, it would probably cause more chaos than it's worth. I used to get irritated when I heard people say the public can't handle the truth, until I saw the ugly truth of how our culture has fostered the attitude that it's perfectly fine to be evil to someone who's been deemed evil. I find that one of the most evil characteristics of our society.
Truth and reconciliation is definitely the way to go, but it is so hard to see how this might play out on the largest scale. Below are just a few practical thoughts on the subject.
When we see crime on this scale, it is like what we call in French a ‘panier de crabes’, a basket of crabs all crawling over each other to get to the top. In other words, the key feature is actually individualism and egoism despite all we hear about crime syndicates and crime families, which of course have absolutely nothing to do with true family values. The crucial mindset is mistrust and the subtext is of course that such behaviour pays, even though many of the perpetrators go around in fear of their lives. The way forward would be to make it generally understood that altruism pays much better: not only is it built on trust and the relaxed confidence that trust instils, it has literally potential for universal enrichment beyond the wildest dreams of any mere elite.

When we lay out the problem in these terms, we see unlikely instances of how it is done. In a popular team game like soccer, for example, kids can learn fairly quickly that the most effective tactic is team coordination. A few skilful individuals are not enough as they are targeted and silenced. The only way is to raise the overall level with everyone pulling their weight. This is a two-way thing; not everyone is a star player, but everyone needs to give 100% in order to make everyone shine, otherwise the weaker ones will just get in the way. The same thing happens within any given individual: the tendency is always to ‘put your best foot forward’, as we say; which means literally, if you are right-footed, you tend to play exclusively with your right foot, thereby strengthening it further, and in the process further weakening the left foot. The effect is to weaken your overall game by reducing your options, since your opponent knows exactly what you are going to do next. On the other hand, if you practise to bring that left foot to a decent level of performance, enough to make it a possible alternative, you also enhance the performance of your good right foot. Likewise, if you train the weaker elements of a team to do what they can as best they can, it will have the same beneficial effect on the entire team.

There is a moral aspect to this discussion, one of personal and collective integrity, and the corresponding negative, deception, as encapsulated in the formula of ‘the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing’, or taking it to extremes, the ‘one-armed bandit’.

And since sport is basically a form of confrontation without violence, and with only symbolic winners and losers, unsurprisingly the same principle of team spirit applies to an army. Without a disciplined rank-and-file, good generals are not enough, or even possible since generalship is all about coordinating fighting men in a given situation. The problem in the world today is that politics runs more on the lines of war than of sport. It is a major source of violence and of real winners and real losers where the leadership has actually taken its own rank-and-file as its enemy. In other words, you have an army that has become split in two and ended up confronting itself. There is no point arguing over blaming the vanguard for racing too far ahead or the rearguard for lagging too far behind: these are simply two ways of viewing the same overall picture, which boils down to a lack of coordination and cohesion; while everyone may have been pulling their weight individually, the collective effort has been woefully inadequate, which is a collective responsibility.

The upshot for ordinary folk at the bottom of the ladder would seem to be that more understanding is required. It needs to be recognized that much of what is going on in the alternative media is highly divisive. For example, the ‘911 was an inside job’ meme (for lack of a better word) could well be highly – and most of all unnecessarily – counter-productive. If one reappraises the official ‘non-conspiracy’ account in the light of ‘ordinary’ criminal behaviour spiralling out of control notably within the intelligence community, then we may be appalled to discover that it is actually enough – leaving the forensics aside – to explain the basics of what happened and how and why.

This changes our viewpoint diametrically from one of a fiendish master plot, concocted always at some level higher than those we can reach, to the no less spine-chilling one of the established protagonists who monopolize the mainstream headlines hitting record-breaking heights of crass incompetence. Joseph J. Trento’s 400-page 2005 book Prelude to Terror: the Rogue CIA and the Legacy of America’s Private Intelligence Network offers an interesting description of how this may have occurred. The title offers an excellent summary: 911 was the inevitable outcome of criminal privatization of the intelligence services. This involved basically a capitalist takeover of the CIA by rogue entirely for-profit competitive corporations, leading to all kinds of contradictions, not just double-dealing by supplying both sides in a war, but also total paralysis (‘the intelligence community was providing almost no useful intelligence to the president’, p.345) and total ineffectiveness through loss of identity and purpose:

Among the problems with using a private intelligence network is that the benefits of counterintelligence are not available. And if your private network is essentially funded by another country, you are flouting a basic tenet of intelligence: trust no one, including your allies. The purpose of counterintelligence is to test the veracity and honesty of sources and allies, and to protect secrets. When an illegal network of private businesses and secret alliances carries out a nation’s covert operations, counterintelligence is not possible. In the early 1990s, the cost of not having any counterintelligence ability would soar. (p.340)
The CIA had failed in its most important mission: it had not warned the U.S. government that the Soviet Union was about to break apart. In fact, the CIA hierarchy was still supplying intelligence that supported the continued purchasing of Cold War military weapons systems and the continuation of alliances with Cold War intelligence services. This meant that the United States was spending billions to protect itself against an adversary on the verge of collapse. Politicians pandering to a conservative base influenced the Agency leadership to exaggerate the capacity of the Soviet economy. This was–prior to September 11–the CIA’s most colossal failure. Not only had the CIA leadership lost its ability to place agents and run operations, it had also refused to acknowledge the current condition of its main target.
To the CIA, the Soviet collapse was a great victory, brought about by the attrition of the Afghan War, which the CIA had had a large hand in funding. Now, however, the CIA lost all interest in Afghanistan, even as the civil war that followed the Soviet withdrawal eventually led to the establishment of the radical Taliban government. The intelligence community failed to recognize that an Islamic holy war was under way against the West. The irony was that the threat came from the Muslim fighters in the Afghan War that the United States had trained, funded and armed. (p.337-8) ‘Trust no one, including your allies’ simply cannot be made to work. That was the method for example of James Angleton in the period that immediately preceded/led to the above mess. See several posts upstream and downstream from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95553-JFK-the-CIA-the-KGB-and-Russia-today&p=1128500&viewfull=1#post1128500).
It is a sure fail because ultimately you cannot even trust yourself not to achieve the exact opposite of what you set out to do. In other words, in a system based on mistrust, we cannot bring in trust through the back door. We need to build a system based on the opposite premise, ‘Trust everyone, including your enemies’. The only way to build that kind of trust is to be the first to show trust in a situation that calls for great caution. Gaining the trust of an armed man in order to avoid bloodshed can only be done by someone who is disarmed, consistent with the avowed purpose of passing from an armed relationship to a non-violent one.

The question of What next? is an issue that is not always adequately thought through. Here in France we have a presidential race on in which the frontrunner, François Fillon, was a kind of good Catholic Mr Clean until the ‘Penelopegate’ scandal surfaced last week.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-presidential-election-latest-fran-ois-fillon-prosecutors-investigation-emmanuel-macron-manuel-a7546281.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/francois-fillon-penelope-sarkozy-financial-fraud-sentencing-french-politics-tax-a7549951.html
He has been accused of employing his wife Penelope as his parliamentary assistant (not illegal) with a salary of taxpayer money at least double what he would have paid an outsider. The illegal part of the setup would be if no actual job was being done. As far as I know, it would also be partly illegal if the employment did not justify the inflated salary; but in any case, there is the moral issue of the hypocrisy between the projected image and the private practice. The above simplified situation (he also employed two of his children) leads to several conclusions. First, there is a need to change the law to outlaw the common practice of employing family members (and a large majority in favour). Secondly, Fillon’s presidential run is dead in the water: it doesn’t matter if it takes for ever to get the case through the courts, as of now the man is losing voter support and is not going to win the election; he has disqualified himself from office on his own terms ahead of any punishment from the courts.

Why is voter support drying up? Because friends and colleagues are also tying themselves in knots trying to help: they don’t know what to say that will not turn out to be actually incriminating; and most of all because of Mrs Fillon herself. While doubtless the lovely person and wonderful wife and mother she reportedly is, the more honest she is made out to be, the more flagrant is the dishonesty. She has always claimed to stay well out of her husband’s political activities. If she has been telling the police the same story as he has to get out of trouble, then either she has been lying all these years or she is lying now. The usual claims of dirty campaign tricks are not going to overcome that huge contradiction. The Fillons have lived for years with that contradiction, but now that it has been exposed, they are going to have to deal with it less hypocritically. The courts can choose to be lenient, but the voters do not have that choice; a president voted in does not get a slap on the wrist, he gets five years of statutory impunity, sending out the wrong signals all over again.

This means that individual voters are actually making a difference by elevating honesty to the status of a major campaign issue, which was a big anti-establishment plank in Fillon’s platform anyway (nowadays even former prime ministers pose as anti-establishment). If voters are serious and consistent about this, they will apply the criterion to other candidates as well. This would likely lead to them also discounting another anti-establishment hopeful, Marine Le Pen and her National Front, for example, who are embroiled in a similar scandal involving the embezzlement of EU expenses for strictly non-EU purposes. Always supposing a reasonably honest candidate can be found, they will be judged on their ability or otherwise to deliver on that pledge, and a little progress will be made along the difficult path to making virtue pay. If people are serious and consistent about this, they will also hopefully seek to improve their own performance in this regard, if only because this more virtuous leadership will be breathing down their necks a little more. Hence, if we take the analogy of a rising tide floating all boats, it is not so much a wave of virtue elevating passive people as a wave of people actively elevating virtue.

[Helene West]

Just listened to 3/4 of interview and had to take a break as he was talking about impeachment proceedings are already being organized behind the scenes by both dems and repubs and he feels if trump doesn't get wise to who are the traitors to him he will probably be impeached within 2 years. Pence will be pres and phony leftist eliz warren will probably be vice and it would essentially negate the entire election.

I got so bummed hearing that I had to take a break....

[Helene West]

His idea on allowing the ruling class an exit strategy is sheer wisdom.

This guy would be such an asset and like others I'm wondering how does he get trump's attention particularly on the traitor issue. But then I also listened to a short interview someone posted with Roger Stone. What did Stone say? That trump has to be the most careful of republicans not dems. He didn't name names but if he is really the good friend to trump that people say he is then this topic just may be uppermost in trump's mind. Let's fervently hope so. The way Steele spoke you got a much deeper sense of the incredible pressure trump lives under.

[onawah]

High-level CIA: Elite are Satanists--Robert Steele and Alex Jones (from last year, but certainly still relevant).
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Jan 19, 2016
Former high level CIA operative Robert David Steele gives Alex Jones an inside look into just how corrupt the elite are.
(I'm not sure if this was posted already, but I did do a search and couldn't find it.)

[onawah]

"Hillary Is The Most Criminal US Politician Since LBJ!"
Robert Steele on the Richie Allen Show (Also from last year)
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Also see his book Rigged Twelve Ways the Two-Party Tyranny Rigs the US Electoral System to Block Out Independents, Small Parties, and 70% of the Eligible Voters
http://phibetaiota.net/2016/10/robert-steele-rigged-twelve-ways-the-two-party-tyranny-rigs-the-us-electoral-system-to-block-out-independents-small-parties-and-70-of-the-eligible-voters/

[Bluegreen]

And here from a week ago
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Mr Steele has some serious cred
Agree with the 'exit strategy'
Forgiving the Rothschilds and their ilk is going to be a difficult but necessary part of our journey
11 minute synopsis from Sean Stone and RT:

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[Helene West]

And here from a week ago
cwCx5ZKABDA
Mr Steele has some serious cred
Agree with the 'exit strategy'
Forgiving the Rothschilds and their ilk is going to be a difficult but necessary part of our journey
11 minute synopsis from Sean Stone and RT:

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Steele has now gone from outing Priebus on the internet to outing him on TV. He is putting hiimself in big danger to get this message to trump.
May the force be with him....

[thepainterdoug]

Friends this is a most revealing interview. when do you hear an insider , a former CIA officer and an amazingly well read and respected person say straight out that ET TECH EXISTS, 9/11 was an operation allowed to take place by Dick Cheney, 2.3 trillion went to ET tech development etc and Pedo gate will be one of the biggest game changers.
He believes the Deep State is in panic and that Trump just could be the one to finally do what JFK wanted to do if he plays his hand right .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqyKJ0R_ytM

[Cardillac]

incredibly informative interview; thanks for posting!

Larry

[boutreality]

"The two party tyranny keeps 70% of the public from having a meaningful vote."
-Quote from about 17m40s and finally someone has said it!

I'm not so sure about his shutdown the NSA call and the CIA is likely reeling from being forced into the DoD last year.
The anti-NWO cause has to include people in those two agencies as well, so keep them where they are, just optimize actions toward that end.

[thepainterdoug]

There is also a couple doing great work at this site, and an anon D H Land Security interview that is quite revealing http://victuruslibertas.com/2017/02/exclusive_interview_with_dhs_insider/

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Some commentary I thought was worth considering from Voat:


Robert David Steele is a Limited hangout spook. Reasons given.

Robert David Steele over played his hand. He came into the PG spotlight out of nowhere. Now he is making mistakes and his agenda is clear. He is here because they are conceding this story is coming out, but they want to direct us away from expecting or wanting jail sentences. He also wants to muddy the waters about who the bad guys at the top are. Once a spook always a spook

In this newest video Robert David Steele attempts a limited hangout. First he says he want to make clear that he thinks the truth should come out, but no arrest should be made. He says he thinks it is best to get all the truth out, move the guilty aside, and then not seek criminal charges, but move on and reconcile. Focus on supporting America and Trump with them gone and not dwell on the past. He says this at 6:40 mark. https://youtu.be/TqyKJ0R_ytMYouTube

Second, he says that [Cheney] was warned about 9/11, but thought it was convenient to allow it and used it to push his agenda. This is a limited hangout. For those of us that have followed, 9/11 was done by Mossad, CIA , along with Bush administration, our entire government and media apparatus was complicit and Larry Silverstein who owned building 7, planned it's demolishing well in advance. Giuliani shipped away the Steele at light speed to china for pennies on the dollar so it could not be tested for thermite. This is all known.

It has become apparent to me what Robert David Steele's purpose is. Steele is here because the cabal is conceding that this is coming out, like it or not. Steele will attempt to muddy the waters on who is responsible at the top, and get us to be satisfied that truth came out, and not desire arrest. Moving on and being happy that they are gone, while focusing on our now free country and helping Trump. This is his angle. This is what spooks do. He shows up at the 11th hour with this "arrest are petty and counterproductive" nonsense.Look at how the two host nod in agreement. "yeah definitely agree". We need to move forward not focus on the past. Is there anybody in there right mind that feels if everything comes to light, arrest are not needed? You can do this with impunity and walk away?

The host also prompts Steele to agree that he thinks some arrest of big players will be made, but not as many as people think. He also attempted to make a left/right thing out of it and thinks we needs to recognize the republicans as the bad guys..

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524


This guy came out of nowhere after the election and some of the things he says are just off the wall. We saw Steve Pieczenik before the election, and Roger Stone and other patriots, giving us the inside scoop and they were proven accurate. Pieczenik, btw, says some things that are substantially different than Steele, and Pieczenik is a much bigger figure in intelligence circles, and he was the one that announced the counter-coup against the Clinton machine before election day. Pieczenik says that the Democratic party is gutted, which is backed up by the numbers since 2008. Steele for some reason, as pointed out above, is trying to pin all of the political turmoil within the Republican party. So I tend to believe he is still an operative.

[Satori]

Some commentary I thought was worth considering from Voat:


Robert David Steele is a Limited hangout spook. Reasons given.

Robert David Steele over played his hand. He came into the PG spotlight out of nowhere. Now he is making mistakes and his agenda is clear. He is here because they are conceding this story is coming out, but they want to direct us away from expecting or wanting jail sentences. He also wants to muddy the waters about who the bad guys at the top are. Once a spook always a spook

In this newest video Robert David Steele attempts a limited hangout. First he says he want to make clear that he thinks the truth should come out, but no arrest should be made. He says he thinks it is best to get all the truth out, move the guilty aside, and then not seek criminal charges, but move on and reconcile. Focus on supporting America and Trump with them gone and not dwell on the past. He says this at 6:40 mark. https://youtu.be/TqyKJ0R_ytMYouTube

Second, he says that [Cheney] was warned about 9/11, but thought it was convenient to allow it and used it to push his agenda. This is a limited hangout. For those of us that have followed, 9/11 was done by Mossad, CIA , along with Bush administration, our entire government and media apparatus was complicit and Larry Silverstein who owned building 7, planned it's demolishing well in advance. Giuliani shipped away the Steele at light speed to china for pennies on the dollar so it could not be tested for thermite. This is all known.

It has become apparent to me what Robert David Steele's purpose is. Steele is here because the cabal is conceding that this is coming out, like it or not. Steele will attempt to muddy the waters on who is responsible at the top, and get us to be satisfied that truth came out, and not desire arrest. Moving on and being happy that they are gone, while focusing on our now free country and helping Trump. This is his angle. This is what spooks do. He shows up at the 11th hour with this "arrest are petty and counterproductive" nonsense.Look at how the two host nod in agreement. "yeah definitely agree". We need to move forward not focus on the past. Is there anybody in there right mind that feels if everything comes to light, arrest are not needed? You can do this with impunity and walk away?

The host also prompts Steele to agree that he thinks some arrest of big players will be made, but not as many as people think. He also attempted to make a left/right thing out of it and thinks we needs to recognize the republicans as the bad guys..

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524


This guy came out of nowhere after the election and some of the things he says are just off the wall. We saw Steve Pieczenik before the election, and Roger Stone and other patriots, giving us the inside scoop and they were proven accurate. Pieczenik, btw, says some things that are substantially different than Steele, and Pieczenik is a much bigger figure in intelligence circles, and he was the one that announced the counter-coup against the Clinton machine before election day. Pieczenik says that the Democratic party is gutted, which is backed up by the numbers since 2008. Steele for some reason, as pointed out above, is trying to pin all of the political turmoil within the Republican party. So I tend to believe he is still an operative.

These are both very probable assessments of the situation. It's very difficult to know who to trust and to identify which of what they say is trustworthy and reliable. That is a reality and always has been. But the difficulty of knowing who and what to believe is exponentially more problematic due to modern forms of technology and communications systems and the concomitant ability to manipulate our perception of information; whether by visual, auditory or other means of perception.

[BMJ]

These are both very probable assessments of the situation. It's very difficult to know who to trust and to identify which of what they say is trustworthy and reliable. That is a reality and always has been. But the difficulty of knowing who and what to believe is exponentially more problematic due to modern forms of technology and communications systems and the concomitant ability to manipulate our perception of information; whether by visual, auditory or other means of perception.

Would agree with and I respect your point view Satori. I can also tell you A Voice from the Mountains has a very good nose for these things.

[KiwiElf]

I would tend to think that even if the wolf doesn't eat your sheep, it's still a wolf. ;)

(...and I'm more inclined to believe Steve Pieczenik over Robert Steele...)

[Helene West]

When Steele recently said that trump should bring in an 82 yrs old (Nader) and celebrity big head, Jesse Ventura, into key positions in his team, that was a red flag for me...

[applepie]

Here is the video of Greg Hunter interviewing Robert David Steele on usawatchdog.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfX5QhqbCpM

[DNA]

In this newest video Robert David Steele attempts a limited hangout. First he says he want to make clear that he thinks the truth should come out, but no arrest should be made. He says he thinks it is best to get all the truth out, move the guilty aside, and then not seek criminal charges, but move on and reconcile. Focus on supporting America and Trump with them gone and not dwell on the past. He says this at 6:40 mark. https://youtu.be/TqyKJ0R_ytMYouTube

Hi VFTM, I've heard this remark from Robert David Steele, and I'm actually okay with it.
If it means those wishing to depopulate the planet and start WWIII will stand down and retreat to their estates then so be it.
When looking for a remedy for the situation David mentions that there needs to be an exit strategy for the elite. Immunity so to speak for past crimes. If we want to get the truth on the table and work from there then we need to acknowledge that there are two legal systems, one for the elite and one for the rest of us. For those seeking vengeance I feel you but David makes a good point in wanting to do whatever it will take to move on and immunity for past crimes may be a good start. David states "You don't want to back guys into a corner who have billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of mercenaries".
For more on truth and reconciliation he recommends Matt Tobey's "Grifftopia" and "The Divide".




This guy came out of nowhere after the election and some of the things he says are just off the wall. We saw Steve Pieczenik before the election, and Roger Stone and other patriots, giving us the inside scoop and they were proven accurate. Pieczenik, btw, says some things that are substantially different than Steele, and Pieczenik is a much bigger figure in intelligence circles, and he was the one that announced the counter-coup against the Clinton machine before election day. Pieczenik says that the Democratic party is gutted, which is backed up by the numbers since 2008. Steele for some reason, as pointed out above, is trying to pin all of the political turmoil within the Republican party. So I tend to believe he is still an operative.
In reading the segment above I'm stuck on
Steele for some reason, as pointed out above, is trying to pin all of the political turmoil within the Republican party. So I tend to believe he is still an operativeHe isn't pinning it on Trump, and if he was anti-Trump I would agree with everything you are stating, but to show I agree with what he is saying I'll discuss this on two different fronts.
The first front is foreign policy. In 2001 the Neo-Cons performed a foreign policy coup with 9/11 and this is elaborated on and basically proven by General Wes Clark here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY2DKzastu8&t=208s
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As Obama came to the table we soon realized that the CIA/NSA were controlling him via the huge file they have on him, mainly being that he is a blatent homosexual. We see this in Obama's foreign policy which is basically the neo-con foreign policy which pretty much made Obama a Demo-Con. We see that Obama not only didn't fulfill any of his promises in so far as repelling the patriot act but he added new policies such as The National Defense Authorization Act. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/#405946d6700c
And we see Obama continued the middle east destabilization started by George W Bush by the Arab Spring, the attack of Libya, the attack of Syria and the rampant drone bombings. Now you can blame this on the democrats, but party politics don't really matter here, because the real player is the CIA/NSA and their ability to dig up dirt on all the politicians of Washington DC and then order them to do their bidding.
In a way it makes sense to offer a deal where folks don't go to jail/prison or get executed because a great percentage of the folks who have done the dirty work did so at the behest of the CIA/NSA, which in turn is probably controlled by the Rockefeller/Rothschilde/Queen of England banking elite.
The second front I will now address is the Pedophile front.
The topic of pedophilia among the democratic party came up and Robert David Steele states this is absolutely happening and that this is how the NSA/CIA control all of congress.
Robert states that the democratic party is not alone in this, and that Republicans are probably 3X as bad in this regard. Referring to Republicans as this being a core practice where as democrats are new to this and it has become an acquired taste.
Robert states that until something is done about the NSA/CIA spying and blackmailing with impunity nothing can ever be done to change our country.
And to this I offer the testimony of Cathy O'Brien. Cathy O'Brien was sexually tortured via pedophilia and sadomasochistic torture. She was an intelligence operative and she reported being forced to do Hillary Clinton sexual favors long before Hillary Clinton was known to be a lesbian. But the people who were in control O'Brien says were those same Neo-Cons who we now know were responsible for 9/11. There is a reason for this. These Neo-Cons came from the intelligence agencies, especially George Bush SR, and they were in direct connection to the banking elite giving the real orders in my opinion. Cathy O'Brien points out that Gerald Ford (the unelected president) had dealings with the mafia in Michigan in dealing pedophilia pornography.

She also points out that Gerald Ford's cabinet was
Donald Rumsfield - Secretary of State
George Bush - Head of CIA
Dick Cheney - Secretary of State

O'Brien states that Dick Cheney especially was responsible for much sadomasochistic
torture she received. She also stated that Gerald Ford was a pedophile monster and this was the reason Betty Ford was such a heavy drinker.
The Nebraska Boys Town video A conspiracy of Silence talks about those kids who were taken to Washington DC and offered as sex objects to politicians at the time of the Reagan/Bush presidency.
It is said that Reagan didn't want to do the bidding of the CIA via George Bush SR, but after he was shot he changed his tune and pretty much did what George Bush Sr told him to do. Which means he was doing what the CIA/Banking Elite were telling him to do.

[thepainterdoug]

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Mr Steele and his comments in his interviews. And as for the comment made on Voat, he mentions a limited hangout? Well in my mind, thermite is a limited hangout regarding 9/11 .
A limited hangout can be useful, as long as its "limited". If I can get some of my friends in to the game by offering them a limited hangout, well its a start. Those of us here can fine tune these arguments, but most still have no idea what Robert Steele is referring to and if their eyes can be opened, all the better.
A limited hangout is analogous to climbing a mountain, getting to a certain rest point, and then reaching your hand down to help others to the spot you made it to. And then forward you go, and so on. I think Robert Steele is credible but as with everyone here,Its just my informed opinion, but how do I know?

[thepainterdoug]

Let me add, I know Robert David Steele personally, and unlike the person posting this unsubstantiated assertion, I have actually looked at Robert's life work and aware of his eight books sharply critical of the secret world and his website where almost everything he has published over 30 years is available free online, include what has been said about him by Alvin Toffler and other journalists. Robert has encouraged me to point thoughtful people to http://robertdavidsteele.com where they will find vastly more substance that this undocumented assertion by someone who does not think or read widely.

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[A Voice from the Mountains]

In reading the segment above I'm stuck on
Steele for some reason, as pointed out above, is trying to pin all of the political turmoil within the Republican party. So I tend to believe he is still an operativeHe isn't pinning it on Trump, and if he was anti-Trump I would agree with everything you are stating

Not Trump, but the Republican establishment. I'm not a fan of the Republican establishment and I hope they are all replaced by pro-Trump people, but saying that the Republican party has been or is going to be destroyed while not even mentioning the Democrats is intellectually dishonest at best and just ignoring the situation, for what I can only imagine are political reasons.

Let's say that Hitler and Stalin are engaged in some battle during WW2. Hitler and Stalin were both responsible for the deaths of millions of people. So I'm not a big fan of either of them. But if the Soviets destroy the German army in a campaign, and then some guy comes out and says "Oh wow the Soviets really just got destroyed," I'm going to think that (a) the guy is not seeing what I'm seeing, (b) it seems like he's trying to gaslight me, and (c) it looks like he's also trying to cheerlead for the Nazis. Do you see how I would assume that? That's what I am noticing here with Steele and the Republican/Democrat thing.


Robert states that the democratic party is not alone in this, and that Republicans are probably 3X as bad in this regard. Referring to Republicans as this being a core practice where as democrats are new to this and it has become an acquired taste.

He says that, but what other indication do you have that any of that is true? Because all the other information I've gathered from a range of sources over time creates a much different picture than that. This pedophilia stuff isn't a recent development. It goes back decades and if you want an acute historical period where there was a major shift toward it, I would point to the post-WW2 period when we were bringing over not just Nazis during Operation Paperclip but also radical Communists out of Europe (who started off backed by the Rothschilds and others) who then were embedded not only in the CIA but also in the State Department, NASA, Los Alamos and probably many other places. There are people who worked in government and saw that all of this had happened and talked or wrote about it. So none of this is a recent development.

When you get into party politics and how that has evolved since WW2, you have plenty of corruption on both sides, but under Bush the Republican party began to be rejected in elections, and by the time Obama took office the Democrats controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. That is the time from which much of this blatant pedophilia stuff originates and starts really coming out of the woodwork, albeit quietly, into the public eye. I'm not saying the Bushes aren't in on that too, because I'm sure they're up to their eyeballs in it, but the underlying political philosophy of liberalism is much better positioned to promote something like that brazenly, as they already went against the cultural grain in promoting gay marriage and abortions, so they are only continuing in that direction to go for promoting pedophilia. And insiders have told us that that was on the agenda even within the DOJ. Even Putin addressed this obvious trend in his address over the holidays. It is not the conservative base which pushes political correctness or moral relativism, and those are the exact ideological underpinnings of pushing things like pedophilia on the public.

With that kind of ideological "atmosphere" within the Democratic party, of basically going buck wild with relativist morals and having nothing whatsoever to base morality upon except whatever is approved to be pushed by media as "politically correct" (as opposed to conservatives who still tend to refer to the Bible for morality -- which is at least not totally arbitrary and relativistic), you have all these blatant Podesta-like figures, or people like Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton, who are much less likely to ever be held accountable by their voting base who are "progressive"-minded and much more likely to overlook these kinds of things. Dennis Hastert is the only guy I can think of off the top of my head on the Republican side who is so blatantly involved in the same stuff and he's in prison, which is something else you don't see happening on the left. I've never seen Republicans try to make apologies for him either. He was thrown right under the bus despite the fact that he was third in line to the presidency.

I could keep going on but in other words there is a weight of evidence in my mind, looking at this whole historical/cultural backdrop of the situation we are currently in, and how political trends have been playing out since 2000, that to say the Republicans are 3x worse with all of this than the Democrats is going to need a lot further explanation for me because it is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, or like this guy is trying to gaslight me.

I just don't see anything of the sort, and if we're just going to take peoples' words for stuff without further context and information then we might as well go back to listening to Corey Goode and Shane "The Ruiner," because the only difference is that this guy wears a tie and says he's from the CIA. That's not necessarily a boon to his credibility either.


Robert states that until something is done about the NSA/CIA spying and blackmailing with impunity nothing can ever be done to change our country.
And to this I offer the testimony of Cathy O'Brien. Cathy O'Brien was sexually tortured via pedophilia and sadomasochistic torture. She was an intelligence operative and she reported being forced to do Hillary Clinton sexual favors long before Hillary Clinton was known to be a lesbian. But the people who were in control O'Brien says were those same Neo-Cons who we now know were responsible for 9/11. There is a reason for this. These Neo-Cons came from the intelligence agencies, especially George Bush SR, and they were in direct connection to the banking elite giving the real orders in my opinion. Cathy O'Brien points out that Gerald Ford (the unelected president) had dealings with the mafia in Michigan in dealing pedophilia pornography.

She also points out that Gerald Ford's cabinet was
Donald Rumsfield - Secretary of State
George Bush - Head of CIA
Dick Cheney - Secretary of State

O'Brien states that Dick Cheney especially was responsible for much sadomasochistic
torture she received. She also stated that Gerald Ford was a pedophile monster and this was the reason Betty Ford was such a heavy drinker.
The Nebraska Boys Town video A conspiracy of Silence talks about those kids who were taken to Washington DC and offered as sex objects to politicians at the time of the Reagan/Bush presidency.
It is said that Reagan didn't want to do the bidding of the CIA via George Bush SR, but after he was shot he changed his tune and pretty much did what George Bush Sr told him to do. Which means he was doing what the CIA/Banking Elite were telling him to do.

Almost all of our presidential administrations going back to WW2 have been eat up in this kind of corruption. JFK seems to have had more of a conscience than most of them, and even his family came to power with the help of the mob, earning their fortune bootlegging and JFK was a notorious womanizer who was also accused of abuse by people who were brought to the White House and given to him.

For example,


In our first extract from a memoir that's shocked America, a former intern reveals the cold-hearted truth about a predatory president who cynically exploited her innocence...


Never, even in my most florid imaginings, did I think that my first experience of sex would be with an older man - let alone someone of my parents’ generation.

Yet, on my fourth day as a summer intern in the White House press office, I lost my virginity to President John F Kennedy.

The experience was so wholly unexpected and surreal that, as I was driven home in a limo afterwards, I wondered if it had all been a dream.

As a sheltered and naive 19-year-old, I just couldn’t make sense of what had just happened.

For one thing, I’d always imagined that my first time would be with the man I loved on my wedding night.

That was the conventional view among girls my age in 1962 - and I was as conventional as anyone I knew.

Could I have done anything to resist President Kennedy? I doubt it: once we were alone in his wife’s bedroom, he’d manoeuvered me so swiftly and unexpectedly, and with such authority and strength, that, short of screaming, I don’t think anything would have thwarted his intentions.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099498/Mimi-Alford-The-day-JFK-took-virginity-wifes-White-House-bed.html


Then there's Lyndon Johnson, his successor, another Democrat, also with ties to the mob and who many JFK assassination researchers believe to have been in on the assassination plot along with then-CIA operative George H.W. Bush and others.

Then we can also go to Bill Clinton, who I think needs no introduction when it comes to the topic of his abusive nature towards women. The Clinton White House was whoring out the United States to the highest bidder, including countries like China and Saudi Arabia who continue to exert undue influence within the US because of pay-for-play operations. Before the Clinton Foundation, the pay-for-play was being done directly out of the White House, like you see when Chinese officials came to the White House in the 90's to pay for $90,000 "cups of coffee" with the president.

It was 9/11 that woke me up personally, and many others also became more aware of political corruption after 9/11. The Internet had a lot to do with it. That put a big spotlight on the Bush crime family and its deep ties to the CIA, but that doesn't mean that the left hasn't been involved in all of the same kinds of stuff going back at least to WW2. Before WW2 the left was pretty openly supportive of Marxism in this country, and the corruption associated with Marxist regimes is something even the US would be hard-pressed to match when you scale for size and power. Even in socialist western European countries the stories of twisted child abuse, rapes and murders at least equal their American counterparts. Pedophilia and child abuse in Europe goes back hundreds of years, including in institutions such as the British monarchy. There are videos out there detailing all of this.

So while the Neo-Cons are bad, they're not where all of this started and they're not even the source of it. They're a development out of a power struggle that has already been going on for about 70 years in the US. But specifically in regards to the political situation today, which is the situation that Steele is commenting on, the child abuse stuff is at best split 50/50 between the political parties and I would give the weight of it toward the Democrats simply because, as I said earlier, this sort of thing is actually more in line with their political ideology of arbitrary morality. Theirs is the ideology that would actually push for this to be mainstream, and their voting base would be much more likely to actually go for that, than the Bible-believing conservatives of the interior of the US. So that is where I see the situation today, and I don't need a CIA spook to explain it to me. I already have more than enough data points on this topic from sources that I take a lot more seriously.

[DNA]

AVFTM some good points. Don't get me wrong I'm no supporter of democrats, I'm just saying the same thing you are. The reason Trump is so awesome is because he isn't part of the establishment that we've grown to hate and loath.
I hate Republicans and Democrats pretty equally, the reason I love Trump is that he is neither in so how we've come to redefine the terms democrat and republican.

[Honesty]

..........

[Helene West]

I see how positive I was about this guy when this thread began just a short while ago..
I'm listening to Steele right now as this week's Greg Hunter USA Watchdog guest. Same thing.. This guy may be the #1 hottest guest on alt radio right now. His message - He has trump as good as resigning before the year is half over. It's becoming painful to listen to him. He paints trump as a lone and lonely isolated man whom everyone except Bannon thwarts and doesn't help. he says soros will be bussing in millions to be joined by more ignorant millions this May on a big march on washington dc and they will rip up the city causing trump to resign in dejection. I was glad at least that greg hunter said he doesn't see that happening... How can they rip up the city unless law enforcement is told to stand down? and would the police just let the rioters take over and watch them burn dc? I have a hard time with that...
I'm not sure what I think of Steele at this point, whether he is for real or not, I'm just so sick of all the malice. I knew this country was sick but even I didn't believe it was this sick.

[norman]

There's a very long list of national leaders who were ousted from office in very short order after being elected.

It couldn't happen in America, could it?

That seems to be the formula being used right now.

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Friends,

This thread was started last month:


CIA Good Guy Robert David Steele (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95745-CIA-Good-Guy-Robert-David-Steele)

And a few days ago, we had this:


Former CIA Robert David Steele: incredible revealing interview (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96188-Former-CIA-Robert-David-Steele-incredible-revealing-interview)

Well, Robert has now joined the forum. His username is RobertDavidSteele (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?31526-RobertDavidSteele).

We extend the warmest welcome to him. He's here to answer questions, if he can. He's not a member of any other forum.

As luck would have it, I'm going to be away on a road trip the next four days. My personal request to you all is: please support the moderators in taking good care of him.

If you disagree with anything he has to say, of course that's all fine. We merely ask for courtesy and respect. He'll be used to good questions, and the opportunity for us all here is to (a) conduct ourselves in the highest quality way, however the conversation goes, and (b) maybe, to learn some stuff.

Welcome, Robert — on behalf of the Avalon community, we very much appreciate your presence here.

[Flash]

I am very happy Robert is here. His voice has to be heard to the highest levels.

You are most welcome Robert.

[DNA]

Robert David Steele
Welcome to Avalon!!!! :happythumbsup:
I'm a big fan of your work and the information you have shared via interview on Youtube.
I welcome you to Avalon with open arms.

[Stephanie]

The warmest of welcomes!
35037

[Omni]

Welcome Robert! Thank you for courageously blowing the whistle.

I have some questions. Will a QnA thread be started? Where should we ask questions?

[Cardillac]

welcome Robert David Steele!

Larry :-)

[Sunny-side-up]

Welcome, you have found a great new place with many, many ears, eyes and minds, all keen to grow :sun:

[Eram]

Welcome mister Steele,

Looking forward to your involvement on this forum.

:highfive:

[7alon]

Welcome. I look forward to constructive discussion. I wish to understand more about how we can beat the infestation of evil hiding in plain site, and how to bring others to the fight. :handshake:

[Richard S.]

A very warm and heart-felt welcome to you Mr. Steele.

Hoping your message to Trump gets to him...

[Foxie Loxie]

Welcome, Mr. Steele....to the best Forum on the planet! :happy dog:

[ghostrider]

Welcome Mr. Steele ...

[RunningDeer]

Welcome, Robert David Steele. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/fire_zpsclylifds.GIF


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Notices/welcome-Avalon-castle_zpslvpqiyvh.JPG

[ghostrider]

Everyone please give Mr Steele some time, watch his video interviews , listen , keep an open mind ... well worth it ...

[norman]

Great to have you around Mr Steel.

A question:

The scent of Flyn's blood in the water has got even vegetarian fascists excited. On the face of it, it's a very stupid thing to have done so early in Trump's administration. Is it possible that Flyn and Trump ( and others on the team ) have a different reason for his fast exit? I.E. to free him up to go after Pedos without leaving a data trail to the Presidency?

[boolacalaca]

It's great news that Robert has decided to join the community. I look forward to all the mindful and aware discussions to come. As Robert quoted once, "until you get the truth on the table, no matter how ugly it is, you can't deal with it." Thankfully, the Avalon Forum has a worldwide table with many conscious people gathered around it.

One question - how do you respond to those who say once a "Company" man, always a "Company" man?

This is very possibly true but it's also possible this meme was originated and popularized by the Company so no one could ever be sure of trusting a Company whistle-blower.

I do find it interesting but curious that even though you state that there are seven CIA's, each running such things as rendition, drone killings, money-laundering, drugs, and child trafficking for the elites that is then used to blackmail our representatives -- you also advocate disbanding the NSA and NRO and doubling the size and budget of the CIA. I assume you expect all of the nastiness, mis-management, and unaccountability within the CIA to be resolved first. But I'm not sure I've yet heard full details about how reasonably this can happen within the rigged Deep State system we have.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Welcome, Robert David Steele. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/fire_zpsclylifds.GIF


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Notices/welcome-to-Avalon_zpsdipekjjr.JPG

Hello and welcome, Mr. Steele!

I'm using Running Deer's post so that it can be repeated. It's very cool and says it all in such a beautifully graphic way.
(Thanks Running Deer!)

B.

[Blacklight43]

Very much looking forward to the conversations with Mr. Steele. Welcome aboard.

[betoobig]

Wellcome aboard, i love to see real free brave americans, like you. My question would be, what really moved you to join Avalon? Besides the invitation, of course. Thanks in advance and much love.
Juan

[Chester]

Thank you, Mr. Steele, for joining this most excellent forum... Sam

[Mike]

Pleased to have you here Robert! Welcome to the forum!

[barneythez]

Robert has posted on my thread, please go there to read what he has said.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96349-Maybe-our-one-chance-to-save-America-and-the-world.

[onawah]

Welcome to Avalon, Mr. Steele.
A lot of the discussion on Avalon, as you may know, has been conspiracy theory regarding how the elite families want to bring the US down as part of the Globalist agenda.
Regarding the situation now in California with the Oroville and other dams, levees, etc., as with Pizzagate, it seems to be individual citizens who are bringing some of the best information and research to the public eye.
This thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95955-Oroville-dam...--California-February-2017-
(you may want to start with the last page first)
...devoted to the Oroville dam has quite a few links to youtube videos and articles demonstrating how this disaster may actually have been orchestrated via chemtrails, HAARP and other forms of weather manipulation such as one described here:
epsCIPPPg4k
These two videos give the best overall picture I've found so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Yo_3ZL7b0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppVvJs6UoVA
...and describe the problems quite well not just with the dam itself, but also what will happen to the rest of the state and the whole country, which is dependent on crops grown in the Central Valley, if the dam fails, and why even if it doesn't fail, the problems are still enormous.
And this Uw7w4fpEc_E
...explains how the builders failed to understand how water moves when under pressure, so spillways being used currently are not viable.
(Extensive clearcutting of areas around dams causing erosion also shows an incredible lack of foresight.)
This youtube page for "Svani 7480" has a lot of links for videos explaining Victor Schauberger's work:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6g...zIXj9YDx2QgY8A
who demonstrated why the designs of many modern dams are flawed and will not be able to withstand the kind of climate changes we can now expect.
Though this may not be a subject you are well versed in, it's bound to be another huge headache for the POTUS, and if you have any insider information to add, I'm sure it will be much appreciated.

Thank you, and I hope you will find your experience here on the forum to be worthwhile.

I've sent this to his email address as well and will post his reply on Avalon, if there is one.

[Deega]

Whoua!, that's a great acquisition, Welcome to Avalon, wish you a great experience here.

Sending positive vibes to you such that you keep on telling publicly what is going on (corruption wise) within major US Agencies.

[Noelle]

Welcome! I look forward to learning more about you and will be sharing the petition. Fingers crossed that it gets the number of signatures needed. All the best!

[onawah]

Mr. Steele has replied to my email in which I copied my post #22, and his answer follows:

Robert Steele
3:56 PM (48 minutes ago)
01 Thank you for the questions, I am working at the meta level and cannot engage on the hundreds of individual questions, pleas and so on that reach me every day. I hope all of you will go to tinyurl.com/WH-UNRIG and vote for the petition, that is my highest priority for the next two weeks.

02 The USG has never done holistic analytics or true cost economics -- the Army Corps of Engineers destroyed the lungs of America (the Mississippi wetlands) for the convenience of the oil companies and because our government lacked intelligence and integrity.

03 Similarly, HAARP, mind control, legalizing the poisoning of food, water, and ground, vaccines, fracking, all stem from individual financial interests that bribe our two-party tyranny. There is no individual issue that will receive an honest hearing until we achieve electoral reform and make possible evidence-based governance.

04 With respect to the dam there are clear indications of sabotage and intent to make it appear a threat to get money.

05 Those who wish to learn more can see the Nobel package at http://robertdavidsteele.com and my applied collective intelligence and open source everything engineering works at http://tinyurl.com/Steele-Future.

Appreciate your using this channel and taking the information back with you.

Welcome to Avalon, Mr. Steele.
A lot of the discussion on Avalon, as you may know, has been conspiracy theory regarding how the elite families want to bring the US down as part of the Globalist agenda.
Regarding the situation now in California with the Oroville and other dams, levees, etc., as with Pizzagate, it seems to be individual citizens who are bringing some of the best information and research to the public eye.
This thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95955-Oroville-dam...--California-February-2017-
(you may want to start with the last page first)
...devoted to the Oroville dam has quite a few links to youtube videos and articles demonstrating how this disaster may actually have been orchestrated via chemtrails, HAARP and other forms of weather manipulation such as one described here:
epsCIPPPg4k
These two videos give the best overall picture I've found so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Yo_3ZL7b0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppVvJs6UoVA
...and describe the problems quite well not just with the dam itself, but also what will happen to the rest of the state and the whole country, which is dependent on crops grown in the Central Valley, if the dam fails, and why even if it doesn't fail, the problems are still enormous.
And this Uw7w4fpEc_E
...explains how the builders failed to understand how water moves when under pressure, so spillways being used currently are not viable.
(Extensive clearcutting of areas around dams causing erosion also shows an incredible lack of foresight.)
This youtube page for "Svani 7480" has a lot of links for videos explaining Victor Schauberger's work:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6g...zIXj9YDx2QgY8A
who demonstrated why the designs of many modern dams are flawed and will not be able to withstand the kind of climate changes we can now expect.
Though this may not be a subject you are well versed in, it's bound to be another huge headache for the POTUS, and if you have any insider information to add, I'm sure it will be much appreciated.
Thank you, and I hope you will find your experience here on the forum to be worthwhile.


I've sent this to his email address as well and will post his reply on Avalon, if there is one.

[Omni]

“Our entire school system has become a mind control network.”
~Ex-CIA Agent Robert Steele

[boolacalaca]

In case you haven't seen it, here's an interesting interview with Mr. Steele.
He packs a lot of specifics into an hour and ten minutes, including:
-- Open Source Intelligence - the method for reducing current intelligence structure by 80% while strengthening the global intelligence the US gets
-- Electoral Reform Act - proposed 12 legislative points to end the false choice of the two-party system and other rigging of the system

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[Innocent Warrior]

Take a look at Mr Steele's credentials => http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/people.cfm?authorID=105

Steele, who isn't just ex CIA btw, he's also an activist and writer, is offering to share what he knows with the public and there are people calling BS on his intentions? Based on what, his background and a difference in opinions? Considering what this man has to offer, they're some pretty weak arguments.

Even if I thought he was an active operative, which I don't at all, I still wouldn't be wasting my time with opinion based criticsm, I'd be making the most of the situation and learning what I wished to learn from this man, warily LOL. With all due respect, the critics are thinking too small and arguing too weakly. Not the most clever approach here.

“When we relate and share knowledge authentically, this places us in a state of grace, a state of 'win-win' harmony with all others, and establishes trust among all.”
― Robert David Steele

“Our concept of truth becomes more universal as we reach higher levels of consciousness and awareness, taking in a wider spectrum of information and possibility. As we adapt a more expanded perspective on our reality, our concept of what is true and meaningful changes--from local to regional, regional to global, beyond global to the galaxy, and then to the cosmos.”
― Robert David Steele

[Chester]

Perhaps one of the very best posts ever - from DNA.

Post #11 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96188-Former-CIA-Robert-David-Steele-incredible-revealing-interview&p=1136003&viewfull=1#post1136003)

wise... anyone who doesn't understand what a wounded, cornered and threatened animal might do should not be overly poking the folks who have fingers on nuclear triggers...

very wise.

In addition, here's an intelligent article Robert Steele mentioned that I was glad I read...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/18/im-democrat-and-ex-cia-but-spies-plotting-against-trump-are-out-control.html

[bobme]

AVFTM some good points. Don't get me wrong I'm no supporter of democrats, I'm just saying the same thing you are. The reason Trump is so awesome is because he isn't part of the establishment that we've grown to hate and loath.
I hate Republicans and Democrats pretty equally, the reason I love Trump is that he is neither in so how we've come to redefine the terms democrat and republican.

I do not believe Trump is not part of the established "government". For instance, Shawn Hanity, and Rush Limbaugh, simply adore him. Both of them self admitted hardcore republicans. And, yes, to view the whole democrate, republican concepts as separate is very nieve. I am still looking into all this info concerning Mr. Steele. So I will remain cautious while observing, and gathering the information. Both parties, democrats, and republicans, have a very common ground." The people must be controlled." Whose governance in any country does not echo that concept?

[kirolak]

Just to add my voice to the general welcome! :)

[Star Wonder]

I am familiar with your work, Mr. Steele. Welcome to Avalon!

[Chester]

AVFTM some good points. Don't get me wrong I'm no supporter of democrats, I'm just saying the same thing you are. The reason Trump is so awesome is because he isn't part of the establishment that we've grown to hate and loath.
I hate Republicans and Democrats pretty equally, the reason I love Trump is that he is neither in so how we've come to redefine the terms democrat and republican.

I do not believe Trump is not part of the established "government". For instance, Shawn Hanity, and Rush Limbaugh, simply adore him. Both of them self admitted hardcore republicans. And, yes, to view the whole democrate, republican concepts as separate is very nieve. I am still looking into all this info concerning Mr. Steele. So I will remain cautious while observing, and gathering the information. Both parties, democrats, and republicans, have a very common ground." The people must be controlled." Whose governance in any country does not echo that concept?

They (Hannity and Limbaugh) are not hard core Republicans... they are hard core conservatives.

[7alon]

Just a heads up DNA, Alan Dulace is actually Allen Dulles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles

Allen Welsh Dulles (/ˈdʌləs/; April 7, 1893 – January 29, 1969) was an American diplomat and lawyer who became the first civilian Director of Central Intelligence and its longest-serving director to date. As head of the Central Intelligence Agency during the early Cold War, he oversaw the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état, Operation Ajax (the overthrow of Iran's elected government), the Lockheed U-2 aircraft program and the Bay of Pigs Invasion. Following the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Dulles was one of the members of the Warren Commission. Between his stints of government service, Dulles was a corporate lawyer and partner at Sullivan & Cromwell. His older brother, John Foster Dulles, was the Secretary of State during the Eisenhower Administration.[1]

[Bubu]

one of my earliest post is requesting the American people to call the attention of their friends and family that is in the US military regarding the real political issues. of course this is not easy as one would be intruding into anothers privacy. but we have ways of communicating with love ones thats makes it non evasive. now with the surfacing of this issue surrounding mr Steele it becomes even more apparent that the battle is with in the US military complex. how much force go to the globalist and how much goes to the people.

let me post ones again one of favorite quotes from N Tesla

A single ray of light from a distant star falling upon the eye of a tyrant in bygone times may have altered the course of his life, may have changed the destiny of nations, may have transformed the surface of the globe, so intricate, so inconceivably complex are the processes in Nature. In no way can we get such an overwhelming idea of the grandeur of Nature than when we consider, that in accordance with the law of the conservation of energy, throughout the Infinite, the forces are in a perfect balance, and hence the energy of a single thought may determine the motion of a universe.”

your family or friend could be another Robert Steele. your action may determine the future of humanity. I believe that this battle is not for the few mr Steele alone.

welcome mr STEELE and thank you for all that youve done for the good of all.

[bogeyman]

With the amount of bull**** that is out there which is like a paper boat in the wind, I take much of this with a grain of salt, some could be true, but without verification, nor actual personal involved I am keeping well clear of all this.

[DNA]

I do not believe Trump is not part of the established "government". For instance, Shawn Hanity, and Rush Limbaugh, simply adore him. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. :)



Both of them self admitted hardcore republicans. And, yes, to view the whole democrate, republican concepts as separate is very nieve. I am still looking into all this info concerning Mr. Steele. So I will remain cautious while observing, and gathering the information. Both parties, democrats, and republicans, have a very common ground." The people must be controlled." Whose governance in any country does not echo that concept?
The "deep state" is a term thrown around quite liberally without folks stopping to examine what it means.
It means the intelligence agencies. And since the intelligence agencies control the main stream media you can then surmise that Trump is quite hated by the "deep state".
It's not very difficult to navigate.

[ScorpION]

Welcome Mr Steele! Very interested to hear your side of things...

[Cardillac]

now Mr. Steele: as a test, please respond to this forum, so supporting you, in some way shape or form- you've had enough kudos/support comments so far;

now please respond-

with respect-

Larry

[barneythez]

Well, we can welcome Robert with open arms, the fact of the matter is, is that he needs our help. I'm putting this on Ryans post and mine. This is not about us, this man is trying to save literally the world, and there will be no place to hide when SHTF. This is a global problem. It is my intension to try to help this man. He says he's leaving for Norway on the 12th of March. If he doesn't get a meeting with Trump before that time, he says he's done. I take that to mean that we are all done as well. There is going to be a civil war in this nation that will reverberate across the globe. Enough of the 'welcomes' and let's brainstorm this dilemma if we can. Bubu is right, the petition is irrelevant, it's rigged, and we'll never get to the 100,000 signatures required. There has to be another way. WE have 12 days to find a solution. This is now our window of opportunity, and it's slipping by fast. Unless of course a miracle falls out of the sky, and I'm not waiting for that. We need something tangible.
Am I just ranting? Am I the only one to see this....Is my paranoia getting the better of me?
Please advise.

[Bubu]

Well, we can welcome Robert with open arms, the fact of the matter is, is that he needs our help. I'm putting this on Ryans post and mine. This is not about us, this man is trying to save literally the world, and there will be no place to hide when SHTF. This is a global problem. It is my intension to try to help this man. He says he's leaving for Norway on the 12th of March. If he doesn't get a meeting with Trump before that time, he says he's done. I take that to mean that we are all done as well. There is going to be a civil war in this nation that will reverberate across the globe. Enough of the 'welcomes' and let's brainstorm this dilemma if we can. Bubu is right, the petition is irrelevant, it's rigged, and we'll never get to the 100,000 signatures required. There has to be another way. WE have 12 days to find a solution. This is now our window of opportunity, and it's slipping by fast. Unless of course a miracle falls out of the sky, and I'm not waiting for that. We need something tangible.
Am I just ranting? Am I the only one to see this....Is my paranoia getting the better of me?
Please advise.

while hr Steele has done and is doing a great job. i dont take the "when he is done we are done". I believe that his acts will have a catalytic and unifying effect to unify the forces that are against the globalist. While I believe that Trump needs a lot more luck i tend to believe more in doing something than luck. in one of his videos I was surprise that the last two minutes was cut curios I go about searching and found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECz_O77q8X8
as always the solution for a person like me would be[ spread the word. others of course might be privileged to do other things. I was banned from facebook almost a year ago when I started getting followers. what i did was to go to forums instead of accepting defeat. Who knows, my stubbornness could be an instrument to the creation one or two Mr Steele. far as i know What i need to do is, do something.
I understand other peoples reluctance to jump into the band wagon. we have been bombarded by false revelations in the past. i did not even read the Robert Steele threads until this thread comes about. and im glad that i did. i am giving him a 99% on credibility.

ps i tend to disagree with him its not just the Americans we are all into it but sorta America is in the center of this.

[Satori]

Me thinks many people put far too much stock in Mr. Steele and ask too much of him. Assuming that he is sincere, and I have no reason at this time to doubt that he is, no one person has all the answers and can do it all. This is a grassroots effort with all of us playing our part.

I still hold to the belief that the way to eventually stop the insanity is to stop feeding the "Creature." Stop borrowing "money" from central banks and stop paying confiscatory taxes. All it takes is for that elusive "critical mass" to do this. Not everyone at first. 10% of us or so will get the ball rolling. But, be forewarned, when (if) this begins to happen, the PTB will really let the SHTF. It will get bad before it gets worse, but when the dust settles things will be better for posterity.

In the USA, this means returning to Constitutional money and taxes. Doing away with usury and only permit reasonable fees for money creation. (Usury is interest. Not merely excessive interest; it's any interest. Look into the "11th Marble" concept. While money is created, the interest due on the money is not created. Thus more money is due the central banks than is in circulation. It's a zero sum game and leads to central banks acquiring all wealth and more power and control.) Indeed, you cannot discuss replacing an existing system unless you have an alternative. For sound ideas on that alternative, read the works of Edwin Vieira, Jr., who Catherine Austin Fitts and many others hold in the highest regard on this topic and others. Also, read The Creature from Jekyll Island, by G. Edward Griffin. Read Ellen Brown's work, including the Web of Debt. Read the works of Steven Zarlenga and the American Monetary Institute. (Although I do not subscribe to his view that the answer lies in putting the control of central banks in the hands of elected officials and simply cut out the middleman such as the Federal Reserve).

[Chester]

while hr Steele has done and is doing a great job. i dont take the "when he is done we are done".

I agree as well, but that is because I believe life's zest for life is always leading such that the entropic forces of anti-life is always chasing.

I only see that Robert David Steele is saying... "hey, if Trump either a.) doesn't respond to me (such that he may also seek some of my ability to help) or b.) just doesn't 'get the memorandum' then I am calling it quits on my efforts to make a difference and instead retiring to the beaches and calm waters of tranquility."

I would bet though... that the person I have come to know a little (all and only through reading his writings and watching videos where he is interviewed) if he tries to retire, he will soon come face to face with the same aspect of his being which has been driving him for all these decades and he will jump back into the fray, the game, the shared reality dynamic, choose your descriptor...

Us Type As just cannot rest for long.

[Daughter of Time]

Greetings, Mr. Robert David Steele and welcome to Avalon.

Your time spent here may be limited but we will be grateful for any contributions you will make.

Thank you for choosing to join. I look forward to your posts.

[Justplain]

Thankyou for joining, Mr. Steele. I watched the interview linked in the OP and am disappointed that you'd leave if not given an interview with trump. Your knowledge can still benefit us all from norway, as Bill's does from Ecuador, however. So, hopefully you wont cut off your audience even if you get the snub from the potus. The real trick here is to keep up the pressure, to keep spreading the news. First came the occupiers, then the sandernistas, then the trumpsters. Perhaps the next wave or two will really make a difference.

If you wanna head for a beach you cant be blamed. You've been at this slog for a while. There will be those of us who will carry on. We'd prefer that you'd continue adding your voice to the throng, though. For one, i'd love to hear what you know of the ssp and alien tech.

Peace.

[7alon]

Robert was kind enough to answer some questions for me via email. I thought it would be a good idea to post the questions and answers here :)

7alon: Hi Robert, I hope you are well. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to ask you some questions.

If you have any spare time at all, I would very much appreciate your thoughts on the following:

You seemed rather confident that there may very likely be disclosure at some point this year. When I refer to disclosure I'm not just referring to extraterrestrial life, but disclosure regarding technologies etc. Are you able and/or willing to share why you believe this to be a possibility? For example: Why would the establishment disclose?, Who is at the top that has the kind of information that would allow for full disclosure, considering how compartmentalised the information must be for subordinates

RDS:
All signs point to the deconstructions of the walls of secrecy established over the years. I testified to the Moynihan Commission some time ago to the effect that the real purpose of secrecy in the US was not to protect capabilities from foreigners but to protect the ability to lie to Congress and the public. There are over 5,500 technologies being kep secret and that is just the ones on record. It is no longer possible to keep knowledge locked up -- the dam has broken.

7alon: You spoke of trillions going 'missing' to fund black projects, mostly extraterrestrial and interterristrial in nature. Regarding the interterrestrial projects, are you aware if we are talking about DUMBS (deep underground military bases), underground civilisations, or both?

RDS: Yes, precisely. Not sure about Antarctica but I think there is something there.

7alon: Is there, in your opinion, the possibility of a group or groups that are the polar opposite to the secret societies/families that hold so much power over us? Have we the people had an unacknowledged helping hand in the fight against 'The Establishment' in the past, or is it simply the power of common folk standing for what is right?

RDS: YES. The Chinese and Indonesian families particularly, whose gold was stolen first by the Japanese and then the Americans. There are a number of White Hat groups in cyberspace now, not just Anonymous but a secret US intelligence community network that evidently did some goods thing in stopping Clinton from stealing the same thirteen states she stole from Bernie Sanders, from Donald Trump. The elite is very concerned -- decades of emails and phones calls are archived in cyberspace ready for release any day once the right people get the right access. PizzaGate did something I and others have not been able to do for decades, broke open the pedophilia issue that everyone has been in denial about.


Some additional comments from RDS: Deeply grateful for the email channel. Preparing for Caravan to Midnight and Russia Today, going to be critical of Trump for his idiot decision on military (consumes 60% of disposable budget, is documented at 50% waste, and he pours gasoline on this fire?).

I just got off the phone with Cynthia McKinney. We are going to try to bring together Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Jesse Ventura, Ralph Nader, myself, and a few others are we are first going to publicly offer to help Donald Trump put the Electoral Reform Act of 2017 forward; and then -- if he declines our offer -- form a sunshine government that will issue an alternative budget and alternative policies that contrast sharply and publicly with those being issued by a captive Trump-Pence Administration. I have bought alt-gov.org and I own bigbatusa.org, we are talking about a billion a year (100 million x $10 or 25 million x $40) liberty fund that will displace all political parties and begin estabishing extreme democracy and applied collective intelligence.

Thanks again for your time Robert!

[dancing bear]

Great news, any chance of Robert and Bill doing a Skype interview please ?

[7alon]

As much as I would like that as well, I get the feeling Robert is pushing his schedule as it is by letting us email him questions. Doesn't hurt to ask, though! ;)

[Chester]

RDS: I just got off the phone with Cynthia McKinney. We are going to try to bring together Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Jesse Ventura, Ralph Nader, myself, and a few others are we are first going to publicly offer to help Donald Trump put the Electoral Reform Act of 2017 forward; and then -- if he declines our offer -- form a sunshine government that will issue an alternative budget and alternative policies that contrast sharply and publicly with those being issued by a captive Trump-Pence Administration. I have bought alt-gov.org and I own bigbatusa.org, we are talking about a billion a year (100 million x $10 or 25 million x $40) liberty fund that will displace all political parties and begin establishing extreme democracy and applied collective intelligence.

I am glad to read this. This does not sound like (paraphrased) "sailing off to the waters and beaches of tranquility."



Thanks again for your time Robert!

Yes, thank you, Robert.

[pyrangello]

Just listened to Robert on caravan to midnight, glad to have you aboard sir in the Avalon Family!

[Chester]

I sent Robert Steele a question and was pleased to receive a quick response.

My questions was -

Hi Mr. Steele and thank you for your efforts and thank you for joining Avalon.

For me, the most important question I have ever answered for myself is:

“What is my metaphysical cosmological world view?”

Why it’s my opinion that this is the most important question for me to answer for myself is that it is also my firm opinion that how I impact the world (and myself) is foundationally derived from the deepest levels of my being based upon this world view.

When it comes to someone like yourself who has been quite proactive, who has generated a presence in the world and has made and continues to make quite a difference (compared to someone like myself who, other than my posts on the PA forum, has maintained a low profile), I am greatly interested in what might be your foundational, metaphysical cosmological world view. I know that most folks seem never to look at this question much, and so I do not assume you have but if so, I hope that you will answer this question.

Finally, I will follow up with an e-mail to share with you my own world view which I can do in a paragraph or two at most… doing this all and only to be fair. Why I am not including this information in this e-mail is that I do not wish to influence or in any way appear to impose my own world view but feel it fair to offer this information all and only because I asked you to share your own world view.

Kind Regards
Sam Hunter from the Project Avalon Forum


Robert Steel's response was - (note I did correct a few typos)


We are God. the Cosmos is God in detail, every time anyone does harm they are hurting the Cosmos in a way that will spread cancer, every time someone does good they are deepening and expanding the Cosmos in a positive way. Took me a long time to grow past me, country, world, universe.

[Cardillac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQuL1nppAs

since Steele is one of our newest members he might want to briefly comment on this- be well all!

Larry

[NancyV]

I tend to be very cautious when looking at anyone in the CIA, now or formerly. Sure, Robert David Steele has some good things to say, but there are quite a few things he promotes that I don't like or agree with and people he works with that I don't care for.

He says on his website "We are all black now. deal with it". I don't agree with that and it seems very contrived to me, about as ridiculous as "black lives matter". He is working with Cynthia Mckinney, a rabid democrat/liberal who constantly overuses the race card in order to shame and intimidate people. At least she finally lost her congressional seat, although of course she now gets paid for life for her continued rabble rousing.

I can certainly understand why Trump would probably not meet with Mr. Steele. Just a couple of things that Trump probably wouldn't agree with are Steele's promotion of letting convicts/prisoners vote. I would not like that either. Perhaps we need instead to make reforms to the justice system so many innocent people will not get thrown in prison, but do I think felons should vote???? Nope. I also don't think Trump would like his demonizing the Jews for many things stance. I don't like it either.

When or if Trump sees that Steele is involved heavily with Mckinney, Kusinich, Jesse Ventura...to mention a few, I don't see him getting involved with that group of very controversial and largely liberal politicians.

Yes, I like some of his propositions but I don't trust his motives. One of the tactics of the letter agencies is to tell SOME truth so one will believe the lies. Sure, even former CIA agents can change, but R.D. Steele worked for the CIA for 10 years. Did it take him that long to find out how corrupt they are? When I was younger and worked for the DEA as an undercover agent in South America and Mexico, it only took me a few months to realize how corrupt they were, and are probably even worse now.

I ran into a couple of corrupt CIA agents, in Columbia actually, and they told me that the CIA, in addition to the DEA, let certain drug lords flourish and took out the ones without as much power or benefit to the agencies. Their mission was more like controlling the drug trade and making a LOT of money from it. I quit pretty quickly when I was convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt they they were all corrupt. I don't understand how Steele could continue working for the CIA for so long. Maybe he didn't realize how corrupt and evil they are, which is not encouraging, or maybe he went along with them because it was okay with him. I don't know.

I do know the CIA tried to kill my husband several times. Lucky for me they failed. This was when Bush senior was the head of the CIA.

Also, if he isn't still cooperating with the CIA and possibly spreading some disinformation along with his nicer sounding propositions, one would think he would be dead.

This is mostly speculation, but I do not like some of his propositions and I don't think Trump would either. I would think that the minute Trump realized that Steele works with Mckinney, that would be enough for him to ignore his input.

I do not automatically believe that a "whistleblower" always has the best interests of the people at heart. After reading a lot of his proposals I came to the conclusion that I would not automatically trust what he says he is doing. There are too many things that feel OFF.

[Omni]

After not receiving a reply to my first email, I made it more concise...

My questions:


Hi Robert, I have a couple questions if you would be kind enough to reply.

Do you know anything about CIA electronic harassment?

Can you give any revealing information about CIA directed energy weapons or artificial intelligence?

Thank You.

Robert's response:

don't blame everything on CIA. that **** exists, I have nothing to do with it and I am not interested in discussing it.


Obviously the CIA isn't behind everything, however I do think the CIA is the biggest government perp of electronic harassment on the planet after my research. I can only guess why he isn't interested in discussing it. Kind of a letdown he avoids that topic.

[Omni]

One more Question:


Thanks for your reply. I have one more question.

To your knowledge, what kind of influence does the Vatican have over the CIA?


nothing is simple. there are elements of the vatican that have control over elements of the CIA, and vice versa.

Grateful he would take the time to answer this question so quickly...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The United States was never set up to be a pure democracy, and for good reason. We are a constitutional republic instead. There is a huge difference. Pure democracy is mob rule and Americans are more ignorant and volatile today than ever. Pure democracy would have elected Hillary Clinton for God's sake, thanks to all of the foreign nationals that California allows to vote.

I don't understand why people are lapping up everything this guy says when he is advocating a radical change in our entire system of government that would finish the destruction of constitutional checks and balances. What he's promoting is just as radical as what Hillary Clinton was going to do to this country. I guess when you openly declare yourself CIA instead of trying to hide it, and word things in a way that make them sound nice, critical thinking shuts down.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Steele does a great job of keeping Rense (who IMO tends to go off) on task.

The only suggestion I would make to Steele - if he is listening - is to stay off the subject of Kuchner. Trump is a family man and I don't believe would relish hearing anything negative about his son-in-law (even if it might be true)

[7alon]

Hello again Robert, I have some further questions for you if that is okay.

1. Do you have anything to say to those who remain sceptical regarding your views on people you imply are against the globalists, such as Lady Lynn Forester De Rothschild and Cynthia Mckinney? I for one am very interested regarding your view on Lady Lynn Rothschild, as she is the wife of Evelyn De Rothschild, who I never thought of as somebody who would be anti globalist.

RDS: Search for Inclusive Capitalism. Lynn, a babe from New Jersey, gets it. Her husband and her entire family are headed for extinction if they do not adjust.

2. From my observations, many people disagree with your view on making no arrests and just letting the people responsible for all this suffering get a free pass and head for the hills. To a degree I understand where you are coming from, but would you care to elaborate on how this is what is best for the world? Won't these people, if left to remain in society, continue to cause suffering and slow the progress of us working to create a better world?

RDS: See below for my thoughts on pedophilia and punishment:

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/robert-steele-on-pedophilia-punishment/


The fourth and last priority is reconciliation and to whatever extent appears warranted by a large judicious process, vindictive justice. As a leader-steward my focus is on the first priority. As an intelligence professional, my focus is on the second priority. As an educator my focus is on the third. I have much less interest in the fourth in part because my gifts are in the field and focused on the future. In my view, those who want vindictive justice are thinking tactically and personally while I am thinking strategically and nationally.

I have been observing pedophilia for over 20 years, more intensely the last 10. PizzaGate broke the story open, most citizens were in denial and clueless before that. My primary focus is supporting our President, with the two things I am best at: an Electoral Reform Act of 2017 and an Open Source Agency that supports a two-way Trump Channel. Others will investigate and determine the future of our elite pedophiles, not me. I merely point out that truth and reconciliation — my version is everyone gets the truth, no one goes to jail — is vastly more likely to clean house and prevent another generation of pedophiles from emerging.

[NancyV]

Hello again Robert, I have some further questions for you if that is okay.

1. Do you have anything to say to those who remain sceptical regarding your views on people you imply are against the globalists, such as Lady Lynn Forester De Rothschild and Cynthia Mckinney? I for one am very interested regarding your view on Lady Lynn Rothschild, as she is the wife of Evelyn De Rothschild, who I never thought of as somebody who would be anti globalist.

RDS: Search for Inclusive Capitalism. Lynn, a babe from New Jersey, gets it. Her husband and her entire family are headed for extinction if they do not adjust.

2. From my observations, many people disagree with your view on making no arrests and just letting the people responsible for all this suffering get a free pass and head for the hills. To a degree I understand where you are coming from, but would you care to elaborate on how this is what is best for the world? Won't these people, if left to remain in society, continue to cause suffering and slow the progress of us working to create a better world?

RDS: See below for my thoughts on pedophilia and punishment:

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/robert-steele-on-pedophilia-punishment/


The fourth and last priority is reconciliation and to whatever extent appears warranted by a large judicious process, vindictive justice. As a leader-steward my focus is on the first priority. As an intelligence professional, my focus is on the second priority. As an educator my focus is on the third. I have much less interest in the fourth in part because my gifts are in the field and focused on the future. In my view, those who want vindictive justice are thinking tactically and personally while I am thinking strategically and nationally.

I have been observing pedophilia for over 20 years, more intensely the last 10. PizzaGate broke the story open, most citizens were in denial and clueless before that. My primary focus is supporting our President, with the two things I am best at: an Electoral Reform Act of 2017 and an Open Source Agency that supports a two-way Trump Channel. Others will investigate and determine the future of our elite pedophiles, not me. I merely point out that truth and reconciliation — my version is everyone gets the truth, no one goes to jail — is vastly more likely to clean house and prevent another generation of pedophiles from emerging.

Wow, I would never agree with pedophilia not being punished. In fact I think pedophiles should be castrated AND spend the rest of their lives in prison, or be executed. I don't think there is much evidence showing that pedophilia is curable. It's an evil mental illness and they do a lot of harm to young people. It's not about revenge, it's about protecting young people.

[Mike]

well said NancyV! aside from the huge moral dilemma that presents(not punishing pedophiles), i fear it would just be like the army general who frees enemy pow's during war only to face them again later down the road.

[Bubu]

Hello again Robert, I have some further questions for you if that is okay.

1. Do you have anything to say to those who remain sceptical regarding your views on people you imply are against the globalists, such as Lady Lynn Forester De Rothschild and Cynthia Mckinney? I for one am very interested regarding your view on Lady Lynn Rothschild, as she is the wife of Evelyn De Rothschild, who I never thought of as somebody who would be anti globalist.

RDS: Search for Inclusive Capitalism. Lynn, a babe from New Jersey, gets it. Her husband and her entire family are headed for extinction if they do not adjust.

2. From my observations, many people disagree with your view on making no arrests and just letting the people responsible for all this suffering get a free pass and head for the hills. To a degree I understand where you are coming from, but would you care to elaborate on how this is what is best for the world? Won't these people, if left to remain in society, continue to cause suffering and slow the progress of us working to create a better world?

RDS: See below for my thoughts on pedophilia and punishment:

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/robert-steele-on-pedophilia-punishment/


The fourth and last priority is reconciliation and to whatever extent appears warranted by a large judicious process, vindictive justice. As a leader-steward my focus is on the first priority. As an intelligence professional, my focus is on the second priority. As an educator my focus is on the third. I have much less interest in the fourth in part because my gifts are in the field and focused on the future. In my view, those who want vindictive justice are thinking tactically and personally while I am thinking strategically and nationally.

I have been observing pedophilia for over 20 years, more intensely the last 10. PizzaGate broke the story open, most citizens were in denial and clueless before that. My primary focus is supporting our President, with the two things I am best at: an Electoral Reform Act of 2017 and an Open Source Agency that supports a two-way Trump Channel. Others will investigate and determine the future of our elite pedophiles, not me. I merely point out that truth and reconciliation — my version is everyone gets the truth, no one goes to jail — is vastly more likely to clean house and prevent another generation of pedophiles from emerging.

Wow, I would never agree with pedophilia not being punished. In fact I think pedophiles should be castrated AND spend the rest of their lives in prison, or be executed. I don't think there is much evidence showing that pedophilia is curable. It's an evil mental illness and they do a lot of harm to young people. It's not about revenge, it's about protecting young people.

its not about revenge its about taking back control. what would you do if knew that you will be punished or killed for the crimes you committed? on my part ,over my dead body. I actually see this as a genius move. taking back control means they can longer do harm and we must learn to guard our freedom while giving them the honor to test once again our willingness to defend it... until we learn.

[Desire]

Oh Robert,I am so glad you are here. I love your courage! Like others I have many question. But for now WECOME to Avalon!

[Hervé]

... it would just be like the army general who frees enemy pow's during war only to face them again later down the road.With respect to the above quote, I posted this (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1138434#post1138434)) on a related subject:



[...]
... when homosexuality is decriminalised and gay people are allowed to get married, they tend to get married, have children and a stable family life, and adopt family values and priorities...
Interesting point: when societal taboos are backed with heavy sanctions and penalties, two main crops are instantly "sown":


the "tabooed" activities go undercover, in hiding and create their own underworlds and secret societies



curiosity always gets some cats into wondering "What's so bad about...?"


As such, Christians sought refuge in catacombs when under the rule of Paganism/polytheism followed by two millennia of the reverse.

The same with "laws": rational, law abiding citizens don't need them because it "makes sense" and criminals never pay attention to them and keep going their own ways. And, so, crackheads pile up in the gutters and terrorists always get the guns.

It seems that Plato was the first known "historian" to have pondered the question of the sustainability of "civilizations" and "empires" at length and in depth: what make them last?

Gmirkin discovered and demonstrated that most of the Bible is a psy-op designed and implemented by Plato and his followers as a result of Plato's observations and ponderings. (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86384-Here-The-So-called-Word-Of-God&p=1120106&viewfull=1#post1120106) <---).

The following interview of Gmirkin summarizes his discovery and also touches upon the subject of this thread regarding the sexual quirks inherent to human societies:

Running Time: 01:56:09

Download: OGG (https://media.sott.net/srn/20161211ttp-interview-with-russell-gmirkin-what-does-plato-have-to-do-with-the-bible.ogg), MP3 (https://media.sott.net/srn/20161211ttp-interview-with-russell-gmirkin-what-does-plato-have-to-do-with-the-bible.mp3)


https://media.sott.net/srn/20161211ttp-interview-with-russell-gmirkin-what-does-plato-have-to-do-with-the-bible.mp3



So, the caveat is, as with psychopaths from all walks of life, creeds and ethnicities, to have to hand an effective, efficient rehabilitation program. Otherwise, using the usual methods of "protecting society" by sending said society's criminals to start colonies on other continents or space rocks just keeps perpetuating the problem planet wide, solar system-wide, etc...

The other expedient of getting "them" executed and enforcing a final OBE runs into that other problem of liberating POW's because these OBEed are sent out with only one thing in mind and that's finding another suitable body to re-incarnate into and keep at their "tabooed" or psychopathic activities with a vengeance...

The usual solution of sending those OBEed souls under some sort of sacrificial spell/post hypnotic command/order to go populate some other space rocks or some other space vacuum as ghosts of some densities or hot fiery places doesn't work too well either... ask the "Djinns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn)"...

In short, any efficient rehabilitation program would have to efficiently solve the "victim-becoming-perpetrator" endless cycle.

PS: As a very related factor of how long "this" has been going on, see this article: Athens: Cradle of Pedophilia and Mind Control (http://henrymakow.com/2016/11/athens-cradle-of-pedophilia.html)

[bettye198]

All in synchronicity. I did not see the Avalon Forum for some weeks and last night we watched Robert on Info Wars regarding the updated info. So compelling that I copied the link immediately to my siblings who are pro Trump. Then today saw you had entered the Avalon network. Welcome indeed.
When you said the Chief of Staff has to go, oddly, my instincts were right from the beginning. I began watching this man, a mealy mouth who represents the POTUS. I watch everyone and let my intuition rule. Priebus is wrongly positioned. I never believed he had Trumps back. Now David spelled it out . After reading a number of psychic predictions, astrological takes on the administration no one talked about Priebus. The visible fly on the wall. Was he the leak?
If you listen to Robert Phoenix, a well seasoned astrologer on Gaia's show, Open Minds, he gives a thorough dissertation on Trump on the 7th season 2017 post inauguration. What amazed him was some aspects that proved to him that Trump believed what he said and would carry out that message with a very strong will. There are interesting takes from Phoenix he articulated about Trumps chart that is worthy to listen to. Evidently Phoenix also did dissertations on Bernie and Hillary before I never caught, before the election.

[Bubu]

...
So, the caveat is, as with psychopaths from all walks of life, creeds and ethnicities, to have to hand an effective, efficient rehabilitation program. Otherwise, using the usual methods of "protecting society" by sending said society's criminals to start colonies on other continents or space rocks just keeps perpetuating the problem planet wide, solar system-wide, etc...

In short, any efficient rehabilitation program would have to efficiently solve the "victim-becoming-perpetrator" endless cycle.

PS: As a very related factor of how long "this" has been going on, see this article: Athens: Cradle of Pedophilia and Mind Control (http://henrymakow.com/2016/11/athens-cradle-of-pedophilia.html)I have read many articles about the psychopaths. all of them said there is no cure. i will go for the rehabilitation of the common mans belief system. As in the society the bulk of solution lies within the individual. though i believe that any inside peace,virtue and wisdom or cleverness should manifest outward actions.

if you havent seen community justice let me tell you how it works. I use to live in a small almost off grid village. conflicts are normally settled within by the people themselves. only when one party refuse to cooperate with the decision of the community that the case is brought to the court. big mistake. but then the uncooperative one earns the disgust of the society. for this to work we need a society with an uncorrupted belief system. sociopaths will standout in the company of emphats and there shouldnt be problem dealing with them if we take responsibility.

[7alon]

Although it can be hard, I do agree with thinking with a solution based mindset. We shouldn't let our vindictive nature cloud our constructive thought. As much as these people deserve punishment, I want humanity's path of destruction and suffering to end, so we can thrive and be in harmony with one another.

[betoobig]

Forgiveness is crucial at this time in order to really clean up the mess, energeticaly speaking too. But it truely is the hardest part...
Much love

[Hervé]

[...]I have read many articles about the psychopaths. all of them said there is no cure....
[...].
Most probably because the authors were writing from the "Materialism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism_(disambiguation))" point of view (all well funded by most Rockefeller outfits) which disregard that a "soul/spirit" can change its mind... since, from that point of view, "soul/spirit" cannot even exist.

See Sam's thread/adventure here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91743-One-s-Metaphysical-World-View) (<---).

[Chester]

Forgiveness is crucial at this time in order to really clean up the mess, energetically speaking too. But it truly is the hardest part...
Much love

I cannot conceive how anyone who, no matter how far they have fallen, if they sincerely seek grace would be barred from achieving grace.

HsCp5LG_zNE

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for the beautiful rendition, Sam! :highfive: Psychopaths...that is an interesting subject. I have only known two in a closeup, personal way & up to this point in time, neither has made a move to redefine their lifestyle. This is the definition given in Discover Magazine(sorry I didn't keep the name of the author of the article);

"Psychopaths are capable of the most heinous crimes, yet they're often so charming & manipulative that they can hide behind a well-cultivated mask of normalcy for years & perhaps their entire lives." Why the need to keep up a front? Does it give them a sort of satisfaction at being able to "fool" people? Are we helping to forward their agenda by pretending we don't know what is really going on? Am wondering if any of you have had experience with this type of behavior, & if so, how did you handle it as per your own personal life? :confused:

[Chester]

Hi Foxie - just my own opinion and routine

Identify yet never condemn (as in some eternal condemnation)... but it is important to identify with what one is dealing - and I strongly recommend doing so for oneself (never rely on the group or crowd to make your own mind up) and do so based on your own experience.

Let me make sure it is understood by "identify." Speaking for myself, I believe I have no fool proof way (nor care to) with regards to IDing a bona-fide socio/psychopath. But I sure can make odds on it and depending on the degree of my certainty will I hold my opinion. Always new information can raise or lower my opinion.

Once you have formed your (flexible) opinion... if you find yourself vulnerable, clearly take measures to protect yourself.

If the one you identify is a loved one you might feel compelled to try and get that person some help. Sometimes behaviors which appear sociopathic or psychopathic can appear as a result of other underlying conditions which could be arrested such as alcoholism and drug addiction.

Do your best and accept when you have done your best even if the troubled one is demonstrating no desire to change. Accept when it may be time to step aside and allow the Universe to manage the outcome.

That is a very brief description of my own current operational protocol with regards to potential sociopathy / psychopathy.

Note I have sometimes wondered about my own degree of sociopathy... sometimes I sense we might all have (to varying degrees) a proclivity to such where perhaps our life's circumstances along with the degree of proclivity might bring these tendencies forth... but I see this all and only in relation to a single lifetime and I factor in the potential impact of "the genetic entity."

...and I just realized my post has almost nothing if not nothing to do with this thread! Apologies.

[NancyV]

Forgiveness is crucial at this time in order to really clean up the mess, energetically speaking too. But it truly is the hardest part...
Much love

I cannot conceive how anyone who, no matter how far they have fallen, if they sincerely seek grace would be barred from achieving grace.


I completely agree with you, Sam, that anyone who seeks grace will achieve it. If they seek forgiveness they will get it. I personally forgive them for their crimes.

That being said....Love is not what most people think it is. I can forgive someone and still think they should be eliminated from this life (executed) so they will do no harm to others. That is love. They also may achieve grace more quickly, although time ultimately doesn't matter, if we end their life here and they go on to learn more. That is also love. To help them move on and help others stay safer IS love.

If one knows that life does NOT really end, why would they wish to keep someone in jail for many years or the rest of their life rather than execute them and let them move on.....at least in the most egregious of crimes where there is little hope of rehabilitation for many years, if ever.

When you know that life continues why would you want someone who is a cause of pain and suffering to many others to hang around and probably do more damage? I consider that to be very short sighted and a lack of true spiritual understanding that there is always forgiveness and that life does not end. The lessons continue.

I see nothing here in 3D that is more valuable than being in other dimensions. There are also lessons there until one reaches the highest of vibrational frequencies. One will go wherever their individual vibrational frequency matches. They will then continue existing there until they realize they have other choices and are actually in total control of their lives (their soul) and are not trapped anywhere.

So I would completely forgive the worst of criminals AND I would kill their bodies so they would move on. Killing is not evil....senseless murder is most often evil. And there is total forgiveness or grace for those who have embraced evil... when they are ready for it.

:)

[norman]

There's an important difference between being kind to the crooks and using enough force to prize the gun from their hands.

Right now is not the right time to send them cuddles. This is more like SWAT team time.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Sam & NancyV for your replies.....I guess I have reached the point of letting the Universe take over! :Angel:

[Rocky_Shorz]

I really just wanted to say Welcome to Robert David, this is the best forum in the world to share important info with shielding from Hecklers...

You give whistleblowers hope seeing what you have shared, and more importantly, that you survived after sharing...

The Winds of Change are blowing...

[sanma]

Why the need to keep up a front? Does it give them a sort of satisfaction at being able to "fool" people? Are we helping to forward their agenda by pretending we don't know what is really going on?

I have concluded, from observing corruption in the workplace, that "what is really going on", whatever that may be in a particular situation, is much more effective and proceeds more smoothly if it is 100% unnoticed. There is a bigger difference between 100% secret and 99% than there is between 75% and 25%.
The front is mostly about effectiveness and avoiding complications.

Are we helping them by pretending not to notice?
Of course!
But since they will maliciously target someone who calls them out, pretending not to notice is a protection for oneself that should not be given up without careful thought.

I think these questions are very relevant to what rds has been talking about.

[Bubu]

Right now is not the right time to send them cuddles. This is more like SWAT team time.

agree, though i also agree with Robert to give them an exit path. even rats will bite back if cornered. these are not small rats. what we need crucially is to take back control all energy must be focus on that at the moment.

[Bubu]

[...]I have read many articles about the psychopaths. all of them said there is no cure....
[...].
Most probably because the authors were writing from the "Materialism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism_(disambiguation))" point of view (all well funded by most Rockefeller outfits) which disregard that a "soul/spirit" can change its mind... since, from that point of view, "soul/spirit" cannot even exist.

See Sam's thread/adventure here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91743-One-s-Metaphysical-World-View) (<---).

i read many account of victims of a sociopath from a support gathering forum much like Avalon forum. all of them advice to run away as fast from a sociopath and never expect sociopath to change. but from "nothing is impossible point" yes they can. cures and solution are discovered not given. i for one do not believe in the impossible. though i will stick with the tested one until a better one is discovered

[Hervé]

On another hand, in other cultures:


In a 1976 study anthropologist Jane M. Murphy, then at Harvard University, found that an isolated group of Yupik-speaking Inuits near the Bering Strait had a term (kunlangeta) they used to describe “a man who … repeatedly lies and cheats and steals things and … takes sexual advantage of many women—someone who does not pay attention to reprimands and who is always being brought to the elders for punishment.”

When Murphy asked an Inuit what the group would typically do with a kunlangeta, he replied,

“Somebody would have pushed him off the ice when nobody else was looking.”

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hmmm, definitely complicated, but just a thought.

There are definitely layers: Define pedophile.

Level 1: Someone who repeatedly has sex with a child. These people need to face a judge - and hopefully locked up.

Level 2: Someone who has sex once with a 14 to 16 year old girl who has been made up to look as if she is 21, and then is blackmailed for the rest of their lives with a control file. Just recently listed to either W. Shrimption or P. Paget video explaining that is how CIA gets some control files. Have a big party, get them liquored up and first time bring in girls in their 20's. Next time it's younger ones that can be made to look more sophisticated. I'm not saying I approve of casual sex with over-aged girls, let's face it, it happens all the time. I can see forgiveness for this group and perhaps a fine or some serious paying back to society through volunteer work.

Level 3: Those involved knowingly in sex trafficking. Serious offenders who need to face judge

Level 4: Those who took money to look the other way. Perhaps forgiveness and volunteer work

There are probably other levels, but this is just an example. It's case by case rather than judging the situation as a whole.

[barneythez]

THE SPEECH


Can Donald Trump Triumph Over the Deep State?
Robert David STEELE Vivas

PREFACE

The President and his closest personal staff have confused Divine Providence – the hand of God in over-turning a rigged system – with a mandate to govern. They are confusing Republican Party control of the Senate and the House of Representatives with a mandate to govern.
Although the President was legitimately elected – on this point there is no doubt despite the continuing attempts of the Deep State to call into question that legitimacy and drive the President from office – it was only by 27% of the eligible voters. 26% of the eligible voters are deeply against this President, and many of them are falling prey to treason – to sedition – to calls for “blood in the streets. 47% of the eligible voters did not vote at all.
Below is the current political landscape in the USA.

The Deep State, consisting of Wall Street as managed by the Rothschilds and influenced by the Vatican as well as the leaders of Israel and Saudi Arabia, fronted for by the two-party tyranny that seeks to destroy our President, and aided by the secret intelligence services spying on all politicians, judges, and others of import so as to blackmail them into betraying their Oaths of office under the US Constitution, seeks nothing less than the impeachment or resignation of President Donald Trump. This would leave Mike Pence, the Vice President and former Governor whom many consider all too comfortable with the concept of perpetuating the Deep State – in charge of the Executive.
What follows is a speech drafted originally for the exclusive viewing by the President and his most trusted advisor Steve Bannon. It is being released to the public because the President is continuing to delay confronting the harsh reality that only a larger public movement can defeat the Deep State. The Republican Party is part of the Deep State.
If, as the author anticipates, WikiLeaks turns its attention next to the Republican Party and its leaders – a number of whom are pedophiles, closet gays, and/or agents of a foreign power and whose perversions and treason have been covered up by Reince Preibus, among others in his prior capacity as Chairman of the Republican National Committee – then the President will be left with both a Senate and House in disarray, to include potential resignations and suicides that could end the Republican majority in the Senate and lead to special appointments and elections that end the Republican majority in the House.
A Democratic Party majority in either chamber of Congress will be the death of our legitimately elected President. We believe he has no alternative, if he wishes to both survive and become the greatest President in modern American history – as great as John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan combined – but to deliver this speech and put the full force of his presidency behind the values represented by this speech. We make America Great Again by restoring integrity to our electoral process and our government. This demands an Electoral Reform Act; an end to the two-party tyranny, an end to the National Security Agency along with draconian reformation of the rest of the US secret intelligence community; and the cleansing of the White House staff.
This version of the speech is annotated and illustrated (in the endnotes) to assist citizens loyal to our President and loyal to our Constitution, in understanding that without this speech, Donald Trump is likely to be politically castrated, assassinated, or driven from office within the year.
Highlights of the speech include:
Electoral Reform Act to re-enfranchise the 70% of the public now shut out.
Termination of the National Security Agency – as big a deal as Harry Truman firing Douglas MacArthur
Suspension of the Central Intelligence Agency pending a counterintelligence surge
Appointment of a new Chief of Staff – David Stockman
Abolishment of the National Security Council
Creation of the Trump Channel, Open Source Agency, Office of National Strategy
Creation of a National Conversation – Joan Blades to be the moderator
Closing of the International Revenue Service, ending of all taxes especially income taxes, in favor of Automated Payment Transaction Tax (shifts tax burden to Wall Street)
Debt Be Gone website, renegotiating 1-3 trillion in citizen debt, with Debt Jubilee and a President Pardon for every debtor as the nuclear option.THE SPEECH

The system is rigged! The Deep State is threatening all that we hold dear! You and I, together, are going to unrig the system and bury the Deep State.
I will confess that I and my senior advisors have been slow to understand that I was elected accidentally – the rigged system collapsed in the face of the common sense of the participating voters at the last minute. I have also been slow to recognize that while I am a fringe president just as Barack Obama was – 26% of the eligible voters voted him into office, 27% voted me into office – there is a huge difference between us: he was the preferred candidate for the Deep State, while I am the enemy of the Deep State – and they know it.
Tonight I am announcing one major national initiative, three major national intelligence and counterintelligence decisions, and several supporting presidential initiatives. My intent is to unify America – to engage with and empower every eligible voter, 47% of whom did not vote at all in 2016 – and to restore integrity to our government by displacing the two-party tyranny and making it possible for all voters to elect an honest Congress that is not subordinate to the Deep State through bribery and blackmail. This will make possible evidence-based governance in the public interest, instead of corrupt earmarks tailored for the special interests.
I am submitting tomorrow to Congress the Electoral Reform Act of 2017 – the Unity Act. This act corrects the twelve different ways in which our electoral process has been rigged by the two-party tyranny. It will create a level playing field for all of the small parties – both those that are accredited such as the Constitution, Green, and Libertarian parties, and those that are emergent, such as the Working Families party. It will enable Independents to be elected and it will end the control of the two-party tyranny over federal election ballots, creating free and equal access to being on the ballot, free and equal access to public funds for campaigns, and free and equal access to all forms of media. It will implement paper ballots counted publicly on site, and exit polls, to end the electronic ballot fraud that is prevalent across America – and that Hillary Clinton used to steal 13 primaries from Bernie Sanders, as documented by the white paper from Stanford University.
It is my intent to barnstorm the country and discuss this Act with all citizens who wish to take back the power from the two-party tyranny. All parties, in my view, are toxic. They demand a winner-take-all Cabinet; they demand that the President embrace party platforms that are bought and paid for by multiple billionaires; and they demand that secret promises made to high dollar donors to the parties be honored by the President. All that ends now.
To help me – and to help all of you – force our Congress to restore integrity to our electoral system and thus to our government – I am hosting an Electoral Reform Summit that will be simultaneously offered in major cities across the country, culminating in delegations from each regional summit coming to Washington DC for a final open conversation that will be recorded and broadcast by the new Trump Channel. I have asked the leaders of each existing small party to host their own Electoral Reform Summits in advance of the open summits, and I have also asked Cynthia McKinney, Dennis Kucinich, Jesse Ventura, Ralph Nader, and Ross Perot to study the twelve proposed fixes and advise me as to their sufficiency.
It is not up to the Republican majority to force this measure through and I frankly question whether Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, and Reince Preibus – whom I am dismissing as Chief of Staff today – are at all interested in unrigging the system. Nor is the Democratic minority led by arch-Zionist Chuck Schumer – a man who appears very afraid of what the secret intelligence community has on him – at all interested in unrigging the system. For the Electoral Reform Act of 2017 – the Unity Act – to pass, each Congressional constituency is going to have to rise up and demand from their individual Senators and Representatives a vote in favor of this act. I will demand a roll call vote and if this Act does not pass by the end of April, I will devote the balance of my term to helping defeat every person voting against the Act in 2018 and beyond.
We the People cannot govern ourselves without the Electoral Reform Act – the Unity Act. I have realized that the single fastest way to heal America is to put the American public back into the American government. I cannot do this by myself. We the People must take the power back, and the Unity Act is how we do that.
On the intelligence and counterintelligence front, I have signed three executive orders today. The first terminates the National Security Agency, which has no legislative charter. The era of NSA spying on and blackmailing our politicians and doing mass surveillance on our public is over. I have appointed William Binney as the interim transition director responsible for liquidating most of the NSA, while migrating roughly 30% of NSA into a new Directorate of Signals Intelligence at the restored Central Intelligence Agency.
The second executive order suspends all CIA operations and orders all CIA employees home on paid leave for 30 days. CIA employees overseas will continue with the cover assignments but not meet with any clandestine assets nor will they meet with foreign intelligence services. With the complete cooperation of a handful of loyal NSA employees who have access to every phone call and email made by CIA employees in the past year, the FBI is going to do a very rapid investigation – one that will include a thorough interrogation of former CIA Director John Brennan – and we are going to get to the bottom of the rogue elements of the CIA that have been so disruptive to our attempts – even within a rigged system – to hold a presidential election and begin a new administration.
The third executive order mandates the redirection of the NSA transition staff toward full support of the FBI against sedition. All emails and all telephone calls associated with those who are organizing a violent “American Spring” will be processed, a diagram of evidentiary links established, and indictments pursued against George Soros, Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Loretta Lynch, and any others including those on the right such as the Koch Brothers, should the evidence call for indictments. I will no longer tolerate – nor should you – the malicious destabilization of our country for selfish ends.
A number of supporting decisions will be implemented in March and April. I will just list them, as they develop more information will be provided through the Trump Channel directly to the public.
First and foremost, I am firing everyone except Steve Bannon and two personal aides, and abolishing the National Security Council. Jared Kushner will remain a trusted advisor and take over the Office of Presidential Personnel, firing the individual put in there by Reince Preibus to plant Deep State Establishment moles across the government. We will fill all political positions by the 4th of July and every person appointed will go through a Presidential Academy to ensure they are all able to understand and implement our policies that will Make America Great Again. David Stockman will be the new Chief of Staff, and in place of the National Security Council I am creating an Office of National Strategy that will work very closely with the new Deputy Director of the Office of Management and Budget to ensure that we are addressing all threats, not just military threats, and that we are harmonizing all policies, not just national security policies, to achieve peace and prosperity for all – all in the context of a balanced budget with no borrowing, which means a 50% cut in the size of the federal government by year four. A Grand Strategy Summit will be organized in April, and I will present Congress – and the public – with a proposed Grand Strategy before the Congressional recess for the summer. Every political appointee will understand and support this Grand Strategy, or be dismissed.
The press is being thrown out of the White House and will not be admitted to the Old or New Executive Office Buildings. The area that has been wasted on the press – these people are not journalists, they are sock-puppets for the Deep State and what they have been doing for the last year and a half is incompetence at best, sedition at worst. Enough! The space will be converted into a Trump Channel and Studio that also houses the nucleus of an Open Source Intelligence Agency that can meet the needs of all Cabinet Departments through commercial out-sourcing, and the Office of National Strategy. We are going to start doing holistic evidence-based governance and both the facts and the policies as well as the budgets will be fully transparent to the public.
The Trump Channel is going to be both fun and educational. I will no longer use Twitter, which along with Facebook and Google and Google surrogates has been repressing pro-Trump conversations and elevating anti-Trump conversations including those that are actively seditious. We are going to create a new nation-wide service that will allow me to communicate directly with every citizen who wishes to opt-in to what we are going to call TRUMP-ETS. I will use these to ask America what it thinks. I will use PollMole to digest what I hope will 150 million answers that can be sorted by Congressional District. Beginning in April I will start doing short fire-side video chats that will be freely available to all citizens, and I will demand that each of our Cabinet officials organize their own short fire-side chats on every issue, every policy, every budget line item.
The press will no longer be allowed direct access to me or to government officials, for at least 90 days. They will be required to submit questions for the record. Instead of a press secretary floundering around for lack of knowledge, those questions will be answered by the best-qualified government executive whether political or professional, and returned first to the originator of the question, and then posted to the Trump Channel. Among the first tasks of the Open Source Agency will be the evaluation of all media articles and broadcasts for veracity. The fake news “mainstream” media is either going to start telling the truth, or they will lose their public charters. The press will have to earn its access by demonstrating its ability to do serious investigative journalism in the public interest.
We will unrig the White House petition web site that only counts one out of every three or four votes. I am asking Joan Blades, founder of MoveOn and more recently of Living Room Conversations, to establish a new more open process for engaging the public in a conversation, not just polling them. I imagine that public consensus will lead to some major policy decision in the near term, such as the legalization of marijuana and hemp, and the establishment of a public standard price list for all medical procedures and prescriptions. This is your government – let’s take it for a drive together.
Separately from the official website that I am asking Joan to manage, I have directed Brad Parscale to create a Debt Be Gone website in which each citizen who owes money – student debt, medical debt, family credit card debt, small business debt – may opt in and appoint me as an individual, not just as a their president – for the purpose of renegotiating that debt with the banks. I estimate that we can aggregate no less than one trillion dollars in debt renegotiation authority, and as much as three trillion. If the banks will not collaborate in cutting that debt by at least half, it is my intent to declare a national debt jubilee, and grant each individual debtor a presidential pardon that makes legal action by the banks an impossibility.
I am throwing out the tax reform package. I now realize that it does not change the dynamic in which Main Street and individual earners carry the full weight of the government on their banks. I have consulted with Dr. Edgar Feige of Wisconsin, inventor of the Automated Payment Transaction Tax, and after consultations with the Governors, it is my intent to implement this, end the income tax, end all other forms of taxation, and close down the Internal Revenue Service. The genius of the transaction tax is that is applies to all transactions, notably Wall Street currency and stock transactions – it shifts the burden from Main Street to Wall Street. The tax rate is set by the public. This means that we cannot go to war in the future without the public voting for an increase in the transaction tax – we will never again borrow money from banks.
I am also throwing out the health care reform package because it is inherently dishonest. The two-party tyranny is avoiding the core reality, which is that the medical and pharmaceutical industry have a racket going in which they manipulate prices across all boundaries – there is actually no “price list” for any given medical procedure or any given prescription. Not only are medical prices out of control, but our hospitals and our so-called medicines are killing more people than they should, at the same time that they are bankrupting the elderly. Enough already. Every citizens will be covered for all health challenges – but first we need to do a racketeering investigation of the health industry and establish a basic price list. I have decided to work with the Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi, to establish a comprehensive price list – he has one of the top medical tourism industries in the world – and we are then going to determine why our health industry is dysfunctional if not completely criminal.
That’s it. I regret that Reince Preibus saw fit to keep many of these ideas from me when he first received what is now known as the Spy’s Christmas Message for Trump and in its more recent incarnation, Memorandum for the President or Memo4Trump. Reading those two documents will help any of you who wish understand how I have finally arrived at what I believe is a win-win for all of us. The author’s motto is “the truth at any cost lowers all others costs.” We all need to embrace that motto.
I beg of you all – demand the Electoral Reform Act – the Unity Act. Join me in burying the Deep State and restoring integrity to our government. I have my flaws, but I believe that we have a common enemy. As the saying goes, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” I offer my hand in friendship to all of you, and I promise that henceforth there will be no presidential wars, no unconstitutional spying on US politicians or citizens, no laws bought and paid for by special interests or foreign powers. Join me in Making America Great Again by putting the American people back into the American government. With unity will come integrity – I cannot do this without you. I pray that Almighty God gives us the light and the courage this day. God Bless America!


[Satori]

I forced myself to read this out of pure curiosity. Even if the "speech" found its way to Trump, which it won't, and even if Trump agreed with some or all of the core concepts, which he doesn't (not all of them that is), he would never deliver this speech as written. No reasonable and responsible person would. I believe I've had my fill of Mr. Steele.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I'm particularly suspicious of how he keeps saying we should radically change our entire election process. I get the feeling he wants to do away with the electoral college too, which is a protection of states' rights that makes sure the most populated states (California, Texas, New York) do not dominate all of the smaller states in federal politics.

Once CIA always CIA?

[KiwiElf]

Hi Barney,

Well, if I was presented with a massive block of unformatted text like that, I wouldn't (and haven't) read it either. ;)

PLEASE... Block or indent paragraphs? :) ie put a hard Return or indent after each paragraph? eg

---------------------------------

The President and his closest personal staff have confused Divine Providence – the hand of God in over-turning a rigged system – with a mandate to govern. They are confusing Republican Party control of the Senate and the House of Representatives with a mandate to govern.

Although the President was legitimately elected – on this point there is no doubt despite the continuing attempts of the Deep State to call into question that legitimacy and drive the President from office – it was only by 27% of the eligible voters. 26% of the eligible voters are deeply against this President, and many of them are falling prey to treason – to sedition – to calls for “blood in the streets. 47% of the eligible voters did not vote at all.

Below is the current political landscape in the USA.

The Deep State, consisting of Wall Street as managed by the Rothschilds and influenced by the Vatican as well as the leaders of Israel and Saudi Arabia, fronted for by the two-party tyranny that seeks to destroy our President, and aided by the secret intelligence services spying on all politicians, judges, and others of import so as to blackmail them into betraying their Oaths of office under the US Constitution, seeks nothing less than the impeachment or resignation of President Donald Trump. This would leave Mike Pence, the Vice President and former Governor whom many consider all too comfortable with the concept of perpetuating the Deep State – in charge of the Executive.

What follows is a speech drafted originally for the exclusive viewing by the President and his most trusted advisor Steve Bannon. It is being released to the public because the President is continuing to delay confronting the harsh reality that only a larger public movement can defeat the Deep State. The Republican Party is part of the Deep State...

...etc ;)

[Cardillac]

I always find it curious that an 'important insider' who has had a brief explosion of sporadic exposure in the alternative media who becomes a member of project avalon just disappears afterward and never, ever afterward contributes anything whatsoever; like start with Karen Hudes...

if they're too "bizzy" to contribute once and a while to this forum then why did they seek membership to begin with?

be well all-

Larry

[Rocky_Shorz]

Strange, when I opened this thread my provider popped up a message on a Zeus virus...

Can we get a quick scan on this memory block?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f8fpBs_FyY

They call it the area Koch, which means dirty, how fitting...

For those who don't know, Steele joined us here at Avalon, so you can help with presentation and delivery, I doubt he would mind help from any of us.

[bettye198]

I think RDS has some worth with interesting ideas. I received an email from the White House asking in a survey what more do the people want from this administration? I mentioned that it would behoove them to read/listen to the data RDS presented regarding the Electoral reform, a White House channel instead of the constant tweeting for starts. Its obvious, RDS has some inside intel, connections with the present and those that served before and hey, whatever help this administration can get should be considered and assessed. Trump walked into chaos just like most Presidents but this time, he has to feign off protest that distracts and becomes unnerving.

[Helene West]

I haven't bought that the robert david steele who joined avalon is the same rds we see on the vids. Could be but I haven't bought it personally myself.

I'm waiting for a new interview by him commenting on the Vault 7 releases.

[barneythez]

Yes you are right KiwiElf, my apologies. I will pay more attention in the future.

[ghostrider]

I always find it curious that an 'important insider' who has had a brief explosion of sporadic exposure in the alternative media who becomes a member of project avalon just disappears afterward and never, ever afterward contributes anything whatsoever; like start with Karen Hudes...

if they're too "bizzy" to contribute once and a while to this forum then why did they seek membership to begin with?

be well all-

Larry

Everyone wants to be part of something great, I feel on the web , this is THE place to be ... there is more diverse and infinite knowledge simmering on Avalon than anywhere else ... you won't find a more well read group of outside the box thinkers... just sayin ...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I mentioned that it would behoove them to read/listen to the data RDS presented regarding the Electoral reform, a White House channel instead of the constant tweeting for starts.

I'm also suspicious of the idea of starting a Trump TV channel, because this is obviously just going to cause a massive amount of backlash from people on the left claiming that it's the American version of Russia Today, ie a propaganda arm of the Trump administration, on its way to an apocalyptic destruction of the entire Earth, etc. etc.

You have to think a couple steps ahead in cases like this. What will the reaction from the radical left be? We have to give them enough rope to hang themselves, but not opportunities to give them ammunition for their hallucinations. And in that case a Trump television channel would be a horrible idea. There are plenty of good media sources already. Just let it remain free (that should ideally mean no foreign corporate propagandists like CNN too).


I'm also following Trump on Twitter. Only him and Wikileaks, and I use Twitter for nothing else. There are 16 million people following Trump on Twitter, and we talk to others when he tweets too. It's a way of bypassing the media and I love it. There is no filter. His messages go straight from his fingers (or those of his staff) to my phone, instantly. That's not a bad thing. It's not like he's on it 12 hours a day or something, and isn't doing anything else. If you followed him you'd see for yourself.

[Helene West]

So I haven't seen anything from Mr. RDS lately. I've looked forward with curiosity for his take regarding the Vault 7 leaks and it may be just coincidence but it seemed around the time of that huge leak he seems to have gone back into the shadows... I believe Vault 7 helped trump albeit indirectly. RDS has been putting out defeatist messages for trump so maybe he's not happy with Vault 7 leaks? I don't know, just surmising...

Anyhow my latest intrigue in our world of Alt Personalities is George Webb. And at least for me, just like I suddenly heard of RDS, I just as suddenly hear about George Webb. I've started listening to some of his vids. I can't find the very beginnings on YouTube. I think they start around day 79 or thereabouts. But the few times I listen to a vid - bam the person gets in the news (granted Alt news mainly) sometimes the next day. Now the Awan bros whom I never heard of before George Webb is starting to be mentioned in mainstream which I think is a big blessing for all. But he is my new Mystery Man...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Steele is going to be obsolete soon enough because David Brock and Media Matters can't stop the leftist train wreck that is about to occur. History will be made.

[bettye198]

The old "Town Hall" meetings were worthy. Maybe should be used for Q and A and complaining :p regularly instead of just during campaigns to win votes. The heart of the people need to respond. Tweets from POTUS are dandy but there is no true exchange, just one sided tweets. All we have now is Spicer in his briefings with the Press. We need something more universal to keep things transparent.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

We need something more universal to keep things transparent.

Trump has gotten into the habit now of starting his day at the White House with "board meetings" which consist of rotating business leaders and various activists, etc. They air their concerns and exchange ideas with the president and his staff. Compare this to what the past few administrations were doing in these same board rooms (mostly lecturing the press) and there's already a pretty promising improvement in terms of access to the president.

Obviously there is a security concern in making the president open to access from everyone, not to mention the enormous burden that would put on his schedule, but there are lots of stories of him seeking out views from everyday people at rallies or at airports and things like that. I think there is a danger of him being intentionally insulated from the pulse of the country and he's aware of that effort. There has been a lot of gaslighting in the media lately, as everyone is aware.

[Cardillac]

incredibly insightfull interview (28 min.):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvYWNR9575I

be well all-

Larry

[Cidersomerset]

incredibly insightfull interview (28 min.):

I watched it earlier and it is interesting ......Though I doubt whether Trump
will be able to get together with Putin , with the start of the 'Russian Hacking'
show trials in Washington . Though it would be good, and the CIA smuggling
has been going on since WW 11 exporting arms, money and chaos. Importing
drugs , terrorists and fear.....I do not see the deep state letting Trump do
any more damage in their eyes by cutting off the illegal financing schemes
and Bankster money laundering on their behalf.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I agree with most of what he says, BUT, can you imagine the howl of the American people if Trump reiterated what Steele says about our bases around the world: That they are mostly used for smuggling drugs, etc and child trafficking? The MSN would ramp up on their claims that Trump's deranged, incompetent, etc.

While most of us here know the truth, I'm not convinced the US public at large are ready to handle it.

IMO Trump would have to go much slower. If at first he can get some BiG arrests on pediphelia charges here at home and the covering in the MSN about the Clinton Foundation's true purposes, then he might be able to close bases abroad.

BTW whatever happened to Eric Braverman (clinton foundation's CFO that was missing as reported by George Webb) and can we see any movement on the Anthony Weiner case?

[Helene West]

1st RDS interview I've liked. None of the usual dire predictions for Donald Trump. In fact told the old dudes that maybe in 4 years trump can be nominated for the nobel prize...

He actually comes out and says the over 1,000 U.S. overseas bases are used to run "gold, cash, guns, drugs and small children", Wow... (but the old norwegian didn't bat an eyelash)

[turiya]

So I haven't seen anything from Mr. RDS lately. I've looked forward with curiosity for his take regarding the Vault 7 leaks and it may be just coincidence but it seemed around the time of that huge leak he seems to have gone back into the shadows... I believe Vault 7 helped trump albeit indirectly. RDS has been putting out defeatist messages for trump so maybe he's not happy with Vault 7 leaks? I don't know, just surmising...

Anyhow my latest intrigue in our world of Alt Personalities is George Webb. And at least for me, just like I suddenly heard of RDS, I just as suddenly hear about George Webb. I've started listening to some of his vids. I can't find the very beginnings on YouTube. I think they start around day 79 or thereabouts. But the few times I listen to a vid - bam the person gets in the news (granted Alt news mainly) sometimes the next day. Now the Awan bros whom I never heard of before George Webb is starting to be mentioned in mainstream which I think is a big blessing for all. But he is my new Mystery Man...

All George Webb videos were taken down at one time... he started up again with I think Day 55. Lots of people are making backup copies of his stuff.
I've got a John B. Wells interview w/ George Webb that I will attempt to post, at least in parts... probably post it up on the Rense Downloads thread... when I get the time...

[bettye198]

Some of us have known this truth for too many decades. The deadline for secrecy has passed. To continue dis-ingenuous lives, military bases ( the big bad secret) and wars strung throughout history with mean spirited dictators pounding their tables really has got to stop. Military bases have always been watchtowers and launching pads but the bad stuff? Most Vets not blinded by patriotism know. My husband could spin stories when he was in the bush in Vietnam.

[Helene West]

I had mentioned above that this was the first RDS interview I liked. There was however one instance where he mentioned that Erdogan of Turkey and some other arab leader (don't remember which) didn't get enough respect. I thought for a fleeting second, hmmm, maybe I just don't know enough about this erdogan guy.

Then today, in surfing about I read Erdogan says publicly that europeans will not be safe to walk the streets if some groups in the netherlands and germany who support him don't get their way (don't remember regarding what issue).

He also said publicly that muslims in europe should not have 3 children, they should have 5 children and that europe belongs to them now, not europeans. Soooo, once again with Mr. Steele I take one step forward and two steps back.

[BMJ]

He also said publicly that muslims in europe should not have 3 children, they should have 5 children and that europe belongs to them now, not europeans. Soooo, once again with Mr. Steele I take one step forward and two steps back.

I'd would like to hear or read that comment, do you have a source for this comment?

[turiya]

He also said publicly that muslims in europe should not have 3 children, they should have 5 children and that europe belongs to them now, not europeans. Soooo, once again with Mr. Steele I take one step forward and two steps back.

I'd would like to hear or read that comment, do you have a source for this comment?

According to the subtitles on this video, Erdogan, speaking to mostly women, says to not do any birth control but to just have more children as a way to increase Muslim numbers...

Normally, Muslim families generally consist of alot of children.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoBOR0PIvfA

[barneythez]

Hello PA,
I know that you've all heard Robert David Steele talk before, and there isn't much new here, but he did ask me to post this, so I will. I know some of you are also frustrated that he hasn't been on PA to answer your questions, but not everyone has the time to spend on PA as some of us do. It also takes some time to learn how to navigate this site. I know it did for me, and I'm still a novice. Maybe if we started a post just for questions for him, then I'm sure he would take the time to answer, but when they are scattered around then it's not so easy. Of course an interview would be best, but who could we find from PA to do this?


http://phibetaiota.net/2017/04/robert-david-steele-in-oslo-youtube-2312-deep-state-electoral-reform-secret-intelligence-open-source-everything-and-the-nobel-peace-prize/

Thank you!

[Lost N Found]

I am not sure if this is the proper place to post this but I really have questions for YOU Mr. Steel. I will post this and then ask My one question or two.

Robert David Steele in Oslo (YouTube, 23:12): Deep State, Electoral Reform, Secret Intelligence, Open Source Everything, and the Nobel Peace Prize

https://youtu.be/nghUx-uTiwg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghUx-uTiwg

Tip of the Hat to Norwegian citizens Trond Stenersen and Geir Olsen.

All other audio-visual interviews with Robert David Steele

Home Page for Robert David Steele

Read the rest of this entry »

Okay then
Mr. Steel, I have watched all your videos and listened to what you are trying to tell the people and especially Mr. Trump. The video above is your latest I believe and you are telling your story to the Norwegians. Please do not get me wrong because I do think you are putting common sense into what you are saying, however I have to question the fact that you are still alive by whistle blowing the stuff you say. It appears that the Clinton regime has managed to murder all of the people that knew of their dirty deeds. The CIA has killed all the whistleblowers that threatened their dirty deeds. The NSA and The Nazi organization called the DHS have managed to destroy any one that threatens their clandestine operations. If you are still alive in this totally corrupt world, how is that possible with what you are talking about? You have admitted that you were part of the Intelligence world and in fact a CIA agent. Do you expect us to believe that you might be immune to those agencies that kill and destroy for a living? I am just asking how you continue to use a website and talk about this when others are being taken down. Please do not take me wrong, I am just trying to understand. Again I think you have the right stuff and are trying to wake up this world but I see too much crap happening and the corrupt Bast$##@ getting away with bloody murder daily. We all are searching for some piece of truth but in this world it is very hard to believe anything anymore.

I really do thank you for what you do and actually hope that you are putting out a piece of truth and please know that I do know that we all have to do our part if we want to retain our freedom on this rotten rock as it is today. I would really appreciate an honest answer. Thank you

Steven

[RobertDavidSteele]

Looking for questions but not seeing any. It is hard for me to visit any site but I do want to be helpful. The Norway tapes (there are four of them, the above is one of the most concise) are important because they are laying the groundword for a "Reykjevik moment" between Trump and Putin when they meet in Hamburg. These two guys have the power to bury the Deep State and declare peace and prosperity. The UN is worthless -- a massive bureaucracy that spends less than 20% of the donations (that materialize at generally 20% of what is promised) on salaries and travel for bureaucrats.. If you are all not aware I was recommended for the Nobel Peace Prize, the recommendation and the related documents are on the landing page at http://robertdavidsteele.com.

The message continues to be refined. The most important bit that seems to be catching on with open-minded progressives is "if the enemy of my enemy is my friend; and the Deep State is our common enemy; then could Donald Trump, the enemy of the Deep State, be our common friend?"

Of course there are many, including myself, who wonder if Trump has what it takes to take on the Deep State -- the last President to do so, JFK, was assassinated. I think Trump has the brains and the balls to take on the Deep State, but Trump lacks the staff and the strategy to do so. That's where I come in. Getting closer to a personal meeting with him, but it is tough, everyone around him is inherently selfish and blocking all others from sharing Presidential attention span.

[Michi]

Yes, exactly! Active open source inteligence IS the proper approach!
As Mr. Steele explains in the above link:
http://phibetaiota.net/2017/04/robert-david-steele-in-oslo-youtube-2312-deep-state-electoral-reform-secret-intelligence-open-source-everything-and-the-nobel-peace-prize/

[barneythez]

Robert is open for questions, but they need to be in a single post if possible. He recently said hello on my post dated April 1st. He needs us to be organized.

[Chester]

Hi barneythez, Thank you for playing the role you have played in bringing Robert to the forum. I was able to get my own question answered under the old format requested by Robert a month or so ago by e-mailing him. I appreciated his prompt response. Based on his response, I have committed to the assumption that Robert David Steele is good hearted and well intended. In observing Robert in many videos and in reading some of his written pieces which include book excerpts, I have formed the opinion that Robert is a dynamo... in that he is very energetic, very intelligent, very experienced and very motivated.

I, personally, like very much what I have experienced with regard to Robert David Steele. Unfortunately, for me to attempt to jump in with a question here or there would barely touch 1% of all the thoughts that have been stimulated by watching just one video (like the one in post #74) above. I, personally, do not know where to even start. I do note that a question was asked in that same post #74 which is a question that, to me, may have an implication behind it that I imagine is a concern shared by many (though not myself).

The question was (paraphrased) - "How are you still alive?"

The implication may be - "That you are still alive suggests you are just another "info/disinfo" agent that must be in the pocket(s) of shadow characters behind the scenes."

I, personally, do not believe this, but I am aware of others who have decided that this may be true and/or that it is true.

So the reason for my post is to point out that this is just one example of what Robert is up against on a forum. I do believe that of all forums Robert might wish to be an interactive member, this is by far the very best one... but he will be faced with questions like this and I am sad that he would even get a question like that.

Here is why I am sad about that... perhaps the answer, if Robert was able to state the one or more answers that can explain why he is still alive, might not be wise to state publicly because that might also reveal something that could then make his life even more at risk. I mean, how is George Webb still alive? For example...

So anyways, barneythez, my question to Robert would now would be this... how can we help? How can any member or reader of this forum help? I ask this seriously, sincerely.

How can someone like me... a nobody, actually help? Help in ways that can actually produce real change towards an open source society? Note, that it is my own opinion that only if folks in the world (all folks) decide they are going to be honest with themselves and then honest with each other can this world actually change. In fact, I am extremely confident in my opinion that this is the key to true, 'better for all' change.

[Chester]

Another thing Robert is up against is his firm stance with regard to what has become known as "Truth and Reconciliation." This is another stance Robert takes that I completely agree with.

"You do not back Jackals into a corner."

I completely agree. Some of my friends here disagree. Some of my friends here have even become less involved with me because that is my stance.

Some of my friends here also did not appreciate my recommendation they back off the "Comet Pizza" thing. My recommendation was based on the fact that there are members here who have been connected to others who have been implicated in the "trial by internet" of those associated with Comet Pizza and/or the owners. It is my opinion and I will probably lose more points here if I even have any points left that to try and go after any single instance of what some might believe is "real" in relation to the larger issue - "pedogate" via trail by internet will likely result in far more harm to others than to stop what to me is a terrible addiction... an addiction that is one of many terrible addictions found to exist within those who make up much of the deep state and its various structural levels and perhaps a powerful elite's elite behind it all.

[Lost N Found]

Well Sam I guess you missed the fact that I said that I have watched all of Roberts videos and for that matter I have read everything I can that he puts forth. My question(s) are not based on just one video. Now I did say that I did not want Mr. Steel to get me wrong in my fumble butt way of asking those questions. As a matter of fact I sincerely am 100% behind what Robert says and talks about. I just had to ask that question that you used in your post while leaving out the other ones. I do believe that most folks on this forum know or at least read about all the whistle blowers or any one that has common sense to try and correct this major satanic mess we are living in have wound up dead from the very people called the Intelligence community.

If asking that question and getting a straight forward answer is going to put Mr. Steel in more danger than he seems to perhaps be in, I am remiss and would rather withdraw the entire question. Please understand that I am just searching for truth as well as any other one on this forum. We all know that the elite will do anything to keep us in line with their plans and that definitely and surely includes Provocateurs that can keep us guessing. As I say I am holy for what Mr. Steel is saying but I am also and have been doing my own research, to vet the kind of unadulterated crap that our Gov or any other gov and their minions feed us daily. We all know that we really do not have the Government that we started with but rather a corrupt corporation and it seems that the corporations control. but wait, their are the Rothschild and Rockefeller groups and lets not forget the Federal Reserve bank and all its franchises.

Do we believe Snowden without a doubt? Do we believe the MSM without a doubt? Do be take Trump as the truth without seeing how he has backtracked and stabbed the electoral idiots in the back just like all the criminals that came before him? I could go on and on about these criminals that lie and create treason against us. I could talk about the chemtrails I see daily above us. I could talk about the Monsanto monsters that poison our air, our food and our water, but you know all of that don't you and we are called conspiracy theorists constantly. So all of this is pushed into our faces everyday and it seems that no one really cares. Is that the truth?

Okay back to Mr. Steel. He is doing something and I can see that. He did try to tell The trump about a lot of things and gave him a course of action. He has gone to Norway and given his speeches there. God I hope someone will listen because I do hear what he says. So as he has said, He was in the CIA and Intelligence community and he is telling some very damaging stuff about these NAZI organizations. So I just asked, "How is he still alive?" and what about all those others that are dead now because they were at the crux of talking about and exposing the criminals. Don't forget now that most of the traitors in DC want Snowden and Asange dead because they are putting out the same stuff. Oh! I would say how in the hell are they still alive?

You got to know that this world is totally upside down and it is the criminals that run the entire thing.

Thank you for your comments, and once again I do not want to endanger any one.
May you be safe and keep on searching for the truth.

Steven

[Chester]

Hi Steven, I should have stated "paraphrased" (as that is what I did) your question in post #74. I will fix that now. I read the post three times and see no other question. I just see you rewording the same question.

Do you have the right to ask that? Of course. I also read your last post too and my personal opinion is that you are sincere and that you are honestly astonished. Also... if you are unaware of George Webb... check out his videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb/feed) and ask the same question.

[Lost N Found]

Thank you for the link to George Webb. I will check that site out and do the research of what you are suggesting. Now you told me that I seemed to ask only one question in my post #74. Yes I probable did reiterate the question of how Robert is still alive from telling all the stuff he has. But I have to say that I did ask one other question and here it is just in case you missed it. I am just asking how you continue to use a website and talk about this when others are being taken down. So at any rate I was just asking Mr. Steel If he could at least give some truth to the matters and in all fairness some sort of explanation. But here again if Mr. Steele cannot do something of that nature because of danger, I can totally understand. I did not realize that you are in some way a spokesman for Robert David Steele. So perhaps in the future I should direct all of my questions and conversation directly to you so you can forward it all to Mr. Steele. Is that amenable to you?

Be at Peace Brother

Steven

[Chester]

Steven,
This is a forum. I made a comment that was stimulated by reading your post and by reading barneythez's post. You might note that there is another thread where Robert (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96942-Latest-from-Robert-David-Steele--1-April-2017-&p=1144042&viewfull=1#post1144042)) states he is looking for questions. Why not go ask him there?

As for your other "question" I happened to have read it as "taken out" which was a mistake.


I did not realize that you are in some way a spokesman for Robert David Steele. So perhaps in the future I should direct all of my questions and conversation directly to you so you can forward it all to Mr. Steele. Is that amenable to you?


The reason you didn't realize it is because I am not.

[barneythez]

Robert is up for questions, I'll redirect him here if there are. If not, he's a very busy man. Try to keep it short and sweet.

[barneythez]

Hello Sam and Steven,
Just as a note, I often wondered how Bill and Kerry were still alive. Is divine intervention at play here behind the scene? Who knows, but I'm sure being a marine, and a retired CIA helps. He ain't stupid, I can bet he's on his guard at all times, maybe he's got an ace in the hole.
I am not a spokesman for RDS either, I made a donation to his website, and he promptly asked if I had a question. I was very impressed. So, like you I asked....how can I help, and he replied to get his video's out there, and I told him about PA, and that I would post a video for him there. He joined, without me asking him to, and here he is. So each of us can help in some way or another. I'm glad I was able to do my part, even though it's not much. I wish I could be a BIG help, but I'm just small potatoes.
Please ask questions on my post dated April 1st, I will let him know that there are some there. I told him to give it a couple of days for word to spread.
Hope this helps,
barney

[Chester]

Regarding the edited video highlighted in the OP and based on the many videos I have watched featuring Robert, it appears to me that this video highlights most if not all the major points Robert has been making and the major ideas Robert has been putting forth.

And this is a lot of stuff.

One observation (among many) - The end goal(s) Robert seems to be seeking are massive paradigm changes. There's a huge gap between where the world is now and where Robert suggests the world can end up becoming along the lines of Robert's vision.

I have questions and comments that could and would go on for hours. In this format (a forum Q & A) that doesn't seem possible and so I tried to consider asking one question but I then realized that to do so, this specific question must be presented with context which would likely include some (logical) assumption.

This cannot be done short and sweet.

[Chester]

So here you go anyways -

First, I make odds quite high that an open (honest) source information sharing reality would play a key role in our world becoming a significantly better place for all. In fact, one might think that by its very nature it would have to be mostly honest and in time, would become all but completely honest.

So let’s consider just one issue the world faces with regards to what open source information sharing would spotlight. The illicit drug trade. This is a massive, worldwide issue. Some countries are essentially narco-states. Others are more so massive consumer-states. Some are involved in trans shipment. Some are home bases for those who might be involved in either a profiteering way or an operational way (or both). Most countries are more than just one of the above.

So when considering all this, I then form the assumption that a huge segment of the world’s population (excluding the purely users and addicts) that is in some way involved in “this business” would see any type of significant change in the currently quite complex dynamic as a threat to their own security (financial, career, etc.). For example, some folks make a living off the drug trade regarding selling, transportation and management (controlling the drug trade through various forms of law enforcement and beyond). I cannot imagine that much (if any) of these folks would want things to change. Open source information sharing would likely be perceived a major threat to all this. I imagine that some of these folks have experienced tragedy with loved ones due to this plight, but I am unsure if that, alone would be enough for enough folks in one or more of the situations I described above to then come on board with the open source information idea.

So the main question is – how (in detail… step by step) will it be possible to implement a world-wide, complete, open source intelligence sharing protocol when up against what seems likely to be a highly motivated and significantly powerful resistance?

And I just suggested one of many different plights humanity faces that are just as destructive as this one.


A follow up question is… what will all these folks do when out of work?


And lastly… being one of the few (at least based on my own discussions with others in regards to the “Truth and Reconciliation” concept) that absolutely agrees this is the way to go… and who would, in fact, fight to defend these folks…

The last question is, how will it be possible to somehow get enough of humanity on board such that the masses don’t go after the folks who would be outed, especially once the momentum shifts where it is possible this type of activity might actually get shut down?

[Lost N Found]

To Sam and Barnythez, thank you both for you very good info. I will then visit the thread you have given. I really appreciate your posts (both of you) and have to apologize for my bumbling way of approaching questions.

I have questions like you Barnythez I wander about a lot of the folks out here that try to spread truth or so it seems and help this world. One does see them get murdered or discredited or all sorts of things so that in itself can be some sort of confirmation that there could be truth. Don't want to sound morbid because it hurts and is so sad when people try to help and are silenced.

Thank you both again
Peace be with you

Steven

[turiya]

Robert David Steele

I would like to suggest to you, Robert, that perhaps a slightly different tact ought to be used in dealing with a man like Donald John Trump. As Neil Howe indicates, and it is quite obvious to many, that Donald J Trump is known as having a 'Yuuge ego' may very well play a 'Yuuge part' when it comes to attempting to get this man's attention.

...Saying that Donald Trump is an "Accidental President" would not be the best way to start off a conversation with the man - just saying...

Have you considered changing your tact?

tact: a keen sense of what to do or say in order to maintain
good relations with others or avoid offense.

From your
Donald Trump, The Accidental President – Under Siege! (http://phibetaiota.net/2016/11/robert-steele-the-accidental-president-will-he-resign-the-closed-system-is-still-rigged-and-likely-to-remain-so/)
By Robert David Steele
November 12, 2016

You make the following statement...

Robert David Steele:

"You heard it here first: I predict that Donald Trump is going to resign and leave Mike Pence as President, with Elizabeth Warren as a “reconciliation” Vice President. I cannot predict when but I am fairly sure this is going to happen."I've heard these sort of 'soothsaying-type' statements before... that Trump is a 'Hillary Plant'... will drop out of the running near election day to give her the victory... etc., etc., etc....

My Source disagrees with your quoted statement above... in fact, Donald Trump will not only survive his first term in office, but go on to be a 2-term U.S. President.

It is also quite apparent that Trump has tremendous insight on how to read people, in general. Hedgeye.com also writes & Neil Howe discusses Donald Trump's use of "Game Theory" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory) as a method he uses in his business dealings, and is used, typically, in how he gets to know those people he deals with.

Just saying that he's an "Accidental President" would not be the best way to start off a conversation with the man... In my opinion, there are unseen forces at play, here, that are not readily taken into account... again, just saying... Some have even gone as far as to say that there is a bit of "Divine Intervention" taking place with this man - who never really wanted to be president - as you may well know. If this were to be the case, then this blows out the notion that he is anything but an "Accidental President'.

Author Neil Howe in his book The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-American-Prophecy-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464) suggests that in every Fourth Turning cycle there comes a 'Gray Champion' that comes onto the scene. These individuals as described in this way:


Gray Champions (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fCPFztJbFfIJ:www.fourthturning.com/html/gray_champions.html+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

One afternoon in April 1689, as the American colonies boiled with rumors that King James II was about to strip them of their liberties, the King’s hand-picked governor of New England, Sir Edmund Andros, marched his troops menacingly through Boston. His purpose was to crush any thought of colonial self-rule. To everyone present, the future looked grim.

Just at that moment, seemingly from nowhere, there appeared on the streets “the figure of an ancient man” with “the eye, the face, the attitude of command.” His manner “combining the leader and the saint,” the old man planted himself directly in the path of the approaching British soldiers and demanded that they stop. “The solemn, yet warlike peal of that voice, fit either to rule a host in the battlefield or be raised to God in prayer, were irresistible. At the old man’s word and outstretched arm, the roll of the drum was hushed at once, and the advancing line stood still.” Inspired by this single act of defiance, the people of Boston roused their courage and acted. Within the day, Andros was deposed and jailed, the liberty of Boston saved, and the corner turned on the colonial Glorious Revolution.

“Who was this Gray Champion?” Nathaniel Hawthorne asked near the end of this story in his Twice-Told Tales. No one knew, except that he had once been among the fire-hearted young Puritans (http://www.fourthturning.com/html/puritan_generation.html) who had first settled New England more than a half century earlier. Later that evening, just before the old priest-warrior disappeared, the townspeople saw him embracing the 85-year-old Simon Bradstreet, a kindred spirit and one of the few original Puritans still alive. Would the Gray Champion ever return? “I have heard,” added Hawthorne, “that whenever the descendants of the Puritans are to show the spirit of their sires, the old man appears again.”...From Chapter 5, The Fourth Turning

From: Hedgeye/Insights (https://app.hedgeye.com/insights/57035-neil-howe-is-trump-america-s-gray-champion-like-lincoln-or-fdr)




Neil Howe: Is Trump America’s
‘Gray Champion’, Like Lincoln or FDR ?
(Published on Feb 2, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3-8oJF88TQ


If you haven’t read Hedgeye Demography Sector Head Neil Howe’s book The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-American-Prophecy-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464) yet, we strongly suggest you do.

In this remarkably prescient book, Howe, the man who coined the term “millennials,” predicted that a crisis would hit America sometime around 2005. He further stated that would set off:

“A decisive era of secular upheaval, when the values regime propels the replacement of the old civic order with a new one.”

Sound familiar?

The 2006-2007 Housing Crisis… the tumultuous 2016 Election. America has entered what Howe calls the Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-American-Prophecy-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464). In his book, published in 1997, Howe writes that a “Gray Champion” is the climactic leader who ultimately rebuilds civic trust and instills confidence among the electorate. Previous “gray champions” include President Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Is Trump America’s next “Gray Champion”? In the video above, Howe and Hedgeye CEO Keith McCullough discuss. Both have some interesting thoughts on “Ivory Tower” mainstream media elites.
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"Did the Gray Champion return?" (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5JIUSBNtbn0J:www.fourthturning.com/html/gray_champions....html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

Posterity had to wait a while before seeing him again—the length of another long human life, in fact. “When eighty years had passed,” wrote Hawthorne, the Gray Champion reappeared. The occasion was the revolutionary summer of 1775—when America’s elders once again appealed to God, summoned the young to battle, and dared the hated enemy to fire. “When our fathers were toiling at the breastwork on Bunker’s Hill,” Hawthorne continued, “all through that night the old warrior walked his rounds.” This “old warrior”—this graying peer of Sam Adams or Ben Franklin or Samuel Langdon (the Harvard president who preached to the Bunker Hill troops)—belonged to the Awakening Generation (http://www.fourthturning.com/html/awakening_generation.html), whose youth had provided the spiritual taproot of the republic secured in their old age.

Hawthorne wrote this stirring legend in 1837, as a young man of 33. The Bunker Hill “fathers” belonged to his parents’ generation, by then well into old age. The nation had new arguments (over slavery) and new enemies (Mexico), but no one expected the old people of that era—the worldly likes of John Marshall and John Jacob Astor—to be play the role of Gray Champion.

“Long, long may it be ere he comes again!” Hawthorne prophesied. “His hour is one of darkness, and adversity, and peril. But should domestic tyranny oppress us, or the invaders’ step pollute our soil, still may the Gray Champion come....” Although Hawthorne did not say when this would be, perhaps he should have been able to tell....From Chapter 5, The Fourth Turning



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"Could Hawthorne have forseen
the next Gray Champion?" (https://www.google.com/#q=%22+%09++Could+Hawthorne+have+forseen+the+next+ Gray+Champion?%22&*)

Had the young author counted eight or nine decades forward from Bunker Hill, or had he envisioned the old age of the young zealots (like Joseph Smith, Nat Turner, and William Lloyd Garrison) who had recently convulsed America’s soul, he might have foreseen that the next Gray Champion would emerge from his own Transcendental Generation (http://www.fourthturning.com/html/transcendental_generation.html). Seared young by God, Hawthorne’s peers were destined late in life to face an hour of “darkness, and adversity, and peril.” The old priest-warrior would arise yet again in John Brown, damning the unrighteous from his scaffold; in Julia Ward Howe, writing “a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel”; in William Tecumseh Sherman, scorching Georgia with “the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword”; in Robert E. Lee commanding thousands of young men to their deaths at Cemetery Ridge; and especially in Abraham Lincoln, announcing to Congress that “the fiery trial through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the last generation.”...From Chapter 5, The Fourth Turning
.

[norman]

Great post turiya. Sometimes thanks isn't enough.

I suppose the counter argument could be that the will of the people was an accident in that it wasn't in the mind control plan.

Even if he gets his 15 minutes with Trump, I doubt he'll get anywhere with the idea of withdrawing from all overseas bases. I can't see even Trump's greatest supporters in the military going for that. A nationwide multi interest group rally and an electoral reform act could be a good idea though and the open source almost everything is a strong idea too. All my own fickle opinion of course.

[Helene West]

Robert is up for questions, I'll redirect him here if there are. If not, he's a very busy man. Try to keep it short and sweet.

Barney

I have 4 'short and sweet' questions for Mr. Steele and one comment. Thank you very much for the opportunity to communicate with RDS:

Questions:
1) Does he think there is a chance the leaker who unmasked Flynn will be caught?
2) Does he think the Dems will stop their Russia/trump witch hunting soon?
3) Is he familiar with the work of reporter George Webb on the Awan Bros posted on his YouTube channel and does he think this will be utilized?
4) Does he have any suggestions to diminish George Soros activity in our country?

Comment:
1) We all want you to get in to see Donald Trump. So please consider the suggestion of Turiya in above post regarding how to address the President. Calling him the 'accidental president' publicly may have lessened your chances of being invited, not just his 'selfish' staff. Being a little complimentary never hurt anyone.

Thank you again for your time.

Edit - I didn't realize when writing above the 'unmasker' had been revealed already as this thread was my first thread reading of the day. So I guess my follow up question will be - now that the felon is known will she be arrested? Does any truth matter or are we just sitting around waiting for Soros and Obama to storm the white house with their psycho riots?

[DNA]

Greetings Robert David Steele
You mention the Rockefellers and Rothschildes as if they would willingly step down from power if they were offered the opportunity to retire to their estates and remove themselves from their positions.
These people and the families that rub elbows with them have killed hundreds of millions of people to attain the rank and status they enjoy. They have profited from the torture and rape of untold millions of women and children.
These people enjoy inflicting pain and death.
They are so close to attaining their "New World Order".
I do not believe they are going to willingly step aside.
These families control the intelligence agencies of the world not just the US, as well as the armies of the world.
I believe they would rather destroy the planet and watch it go up in flames rather than step down from power.

[amor]

Dear Mr. Steele: I saw the spirit of Dr. Norman Vincent Peale in Donald Trump as he ran for the Presidency of the U.S. At 77, I voted for the first time in my life for Donald because I could feel the intent of his heart for the country and people. He obviously had been doing his homework for some time.

After doing my homework on the internet for some time, I finally hit pay dirt; I saw clearly that everything happening in the world was orchestrated to bring DEATH TO THE PEOPLE OF EARTH, GENOCIDE. While the rich men of the earth were doing this, they were corning money is making and selling dope, sex, abuse, murder, manufacturing and distributing disease and pollution to the planet and its ecosphere so that they could claim Global Pollution and Warming, which they brought about, so that they would have an excuse to tax us more to keep them wealthier and more powerful. In the interim, most of us would be very dead.

The Agenda for President Trump should be to return people to the land instead of welfare and outdated factories that feed the war machine and the Genocide Agenda.

Outlaw the Law that forbids herbal cures for cancer and mandates the use of Chemotherapy for cancer treatment--another tool of Genocide. Outlaw Experimentation on humans without their knowledge and express consent. Chemtrailing called Geoengineering to which I learned, last night, was added Sulfuric Acid, HAARP, Fracking (again using Sulfuric Acid which will get to ground water), creation and broadcasting of diseases throughout the earth to destroy the food supply, animals, ecosystem and humans; and finally, I came across information that 98% of America has been infected with nanotechnology and the cell towers will broadcast a signal which will activate this nano particle to produce flu-like symptoms and we will all be dead within twelve days. This and the Cellphone Towers scream "Created by Nazis."

It really seems as though Aliens wish us all dead so that they can take the planet for themselves e.g. Nazis and the Winged Draco in Antarctica with their Evil Plot, drooling for America.

The pharmaceutical industry needs to take a deep nosedive. Let the medicine of plants and minerals and organic farming keep us healthy. If overpopulation is such a threat, when a family has two children the knife says no more. If the Black's rate of reproduction is such a threat to White/Brown America, make it attractive for them to be set up in business in Africa where they will feel happier with their own people. I am not prejudiced, but it seems obvious that those who set up the plan of Genocide in America aimed it at the Blacks: free dope, free guns, no jobs, inferior education and perpetual slum conditions. I feel that all people would be happier as small farmers or ecologists, replenishing the earth with everything good. There has to be a substitute for the money system; living in lavish homes is not really what we need. Simplicity is joy. Investigate the Venus Project and adapt it for all on earth. Humans want to work with and for nature, not vanity, war and destruction. People like Kissinger, Rockefeller and the Rothschilds should be the first Useless Eaters to Go.

Free Energy is a fact being withheld from us. The banks have already collapsed. Change the existing vehicles from petroleum to electric by installing a Magneto-motor and/or use a fifth wheel or some other turning part to turn a magneto which returns energy to batteries and the main electric motor. The Vehicle will create the energy on which it runs AS IT RUNS. Five turning wheels can create lots of energy. This will employ LOTS of people. Create vehicles which run on water. There are electric generators rumored to be running for years without any moving parts. Free inventions to be used by humanity. If the holdup is the cost of running the Secret Space Program then tell the people about it and work it into the economy. Release the power of hands and minds. It is what we were created for.

[RobertDavidSteele]

My fullest explanation of active OSINT is at this link where not only see the powerpoint briefing, but also the two videos -- one my best short interview on active OSINT saving civilization, the second a video of my actual presentation in Denmark.

http://phibetaiota.net/2016/02/2016-robert-steele-on-osint-why-and-how/

[RobertDavidSteele]

I share your sentiments. 47% of our eligible voters chose not to vote, one of the reasons he won accidentally what that he did inspire at least 1% to come back to the process. My focus has been on helping him push through an Electoral Reform Act to get 100% of the public back into the process, while destroying the Deep State and making evidence-based governance possible.

http://phibetaiota.net/2016/10/robert-steele-rigged-twelve-ways-the-two-party-tyranny-rigs-the-us-electoral-system-to-block-out-independents-small-parties-and-70-of-the-eligible-voters/

If you all have not seen these, here are my memo to Trump (he has read it), my ten pager to Trump via Preibus who did not deliver it, and my Trump Revolution series at Amazon (also free online if you search for the title).

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/robert-steele-memorandum-for-the-president-warning-on-american-spring-riots-eight-actions-to-make-america-great-again/

http://themindunleashed.com/2016/12/former-cia-spy-surprising-christmas-message-trump.html

https://www.amazon.com/s?_encoding=UTF8&field-collection=Trump+Revolution&url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text

[RobertDavidSteele]

Truth & Reconciliation gives them an exit strategy. They are NOT close to establishing the New World Order. Had Hillary Clinton won, she and her girlfriend Lynn Rothschild would indeed have been close, at least to creating the end times. The accidental election of Donald Trump changes everything. It is assuredly a miracle, but is very arrogant for anyone to think that Donald Trump is now "secure" because the Republican Party is half the two-party tyranny that enables the Deep State of, by, and for bankers. Here is my documented story on how Donald Trump won accidentally. He was not expecting to win and was not ready to use the time between winning and Inauguration to do the really big things needed. He is doing some very important good things but he lacks the strategy and the staff he needs to be the greatest.

http://phibetaiota.net/2016/11/robert-steele-the-accidental-president-will-he-resign-the-closed-system-is-still-rigged-and-likely-to-remain-so/

[RobertDavidSteele]

Questions:
1) Does he think there is a chance the leaker who unmasked Flynn will be caught?

As you yourself now know, Susan Rice at one level but I believe Reince Preibus is feeding Paul Ryan and they are both traitors to the Presideent.

2) Does he think the Dems will stop their Russia/trump witch hunting soon?

No, but the real threat is the Republican Party under Paul Ryan. See here the four tracks against Trump (originally three, added economic crash)

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/special-three-track-program-to-destroy-trump/

To get through all this Trump needs some radical boldness such as I propose in

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/robert-steele-memorandum-for-the-president-warning-on-american-spring-riots-eight-actions-to-make-america-great-again/

3) Is he familiar with the work of reporter George Webb on the Awan Bros posted on his YouTube channel and does he think this will be utilized?

Perhaps but what I am learning from my own work is that even if he is familiar with us trying to help him, Steve Bannon is blocking all others from having the ear of the President. That is dangerous to the president and the possibilities our president represents for restoring the Constitution and the Republic and the health and wealth of our public.

4) Does he have any suggestions to diminish George Soros activity in our country?

Personally I would be quite happy if he were simply executed by a SEAL sniper. We are now entering a time when the law is so corrupt that the public must consider alternatives. HOWEVER, I would also emphasize that if Donald Trump were to listen to me soon, I would emphasize Truth & Reconciliation starting with the Clinton (conditional on their closing the foundation and disappearing from public life), the Rothschilds (conditional on their getting out of the way), and Soro (conditional on his closing all of his efforts to create sedition and unrest across America).

Comment:
1) We all want you to get in to see Donald Trump. So please consider the suggestion of Turiya in above post regarding how to address the President. Calling him the 'accidental president' publicly may have lessened your chances of being invited, not just his 'selfish' staff. Being a little complimentary never hurt anyone.

The truth at any cost lowers all other costs. The greatest disservice anyone can render to the president is to tell him, as Steve Bannon has, that he won in landslide, the Republicans control both houses and will keep control in 2018, and he can ignore the 73% who did not vote for him. Three lies, three strikes.

http://phibetaiota.net/2016/11/robert-steele-the-accidental-president-will-he-resign-the-closed-system-is-still-rigged-and-likely-to-remain-so/

see also:

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/01/robert-steele-the-soft-coup-collapses-blackmail-revealed-what-next-cia-was-bluffing-produced-no-evidence-russians-did-not-hack-the-election-is-this/

Thank you again for your time.

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You really need to do your homework. "The will of the people" is bull****. 27% of the eligible voters voted for Donald Trump. 26% voted against him. 47% did not vote at all. He was elected because of a convergence of forces including the blocking of Hillary Clinton's stealing 13 states with electronic vote tampering, and the Weiner laptop and leaks from the NYPD.

[RobertDavidSteele]

No. I do agree that Trump -- and Putin -- and Modi -- and Xi -- have the power to create a post-Western world in which the Deep State is vanquished. I believe Trump knows that he was elected accidentally, but with everything that he is dealing with, including pedophilia and disclosure, he has not had proper staff support in considering the elements of the memorandum: http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/robert-steele-memorandum-for-the-president-warning-on-american-spring-riots-eight-actions-to-make-america-great-again/

I am in the process of reaching out to Putin, Modi, and Xi. I would rather help Trump. God, and the world, are bigger than America. American exceptionalism is bull**** -- we started with the genocide of the Native Americans, moved on to stealing half of Mexico, and today are the greatest purveyors of violence on the planet. It's time someone got a grip on the unvarnished truth.

[norman]

You really need to do your homework. "The will of the people" is bull****. 27% of the eligible voters voted for Donald Trump. 26% voted against him. 47% did not vote at all. He was elected because of a convergence of forces including the blocking of Hillary Clinton's stealing 13 states with electronic vote tampering, and the Weiner laptop and leaks from the NYPD.

I think that adds up to the will of the people then. It took patriotic Americans to stop the vote fiddling.

[RobertDavidSteele]

As we have seen in Hitler's Germany and elsewhere, it only takes abouit 25000 committed people to shift a country. Trump certainly has earned that commitment, but he lacks the strategy and the staff to follow through. He is winging it week by week, and making many mistakes as he goes (the most terrible being $54 billion more for a US military that is 50% waste and consumes 60% of the disposable budget of the USA). I still believe in Trump, but time is running out. Absent an Electoral Reform Act, the Democrats will take the House back in 2018 and if the pedophilia hunts continues, they might take the Senate as well because more Republican leaders than Democratic leaders will go to jail, resign, or commit suicide in the Senate. I would not be surprised to see Joe Biden commit suicide soon, his world is crashing down around him.

The situation is actually must better than most imagine. For example, we can balance the US budget simply by passing an honest health care plan such as Karl Denninger has outlined, it forces prices lists, ends support for people whose illnesses are brought on by life-style choices, and more.

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/03/karl-denninger-with-greg-hunter-fixing-health-care-permanently-cuts-cost-by-75-almost-balances-the-federal-budget/

We can easily cut the federal budget in half, but you raise an important point: what do we do with all the black clerks and white middle managers that the federal government employes to do make work? Among many creative solutions would be an end to federal ownership of all land, a two year termination salary for all federal workers released from duty, and multiple new resettlement and retraining initiatives, here is one that was developed by friend Del Spurlock, then Deputy Secretary of Labor for Ronald Reagan:

http://bigbatusa.org/jobs/b-the-joint-defense-labor-solution-reagans-partisans-rejected/

A major part of Trump's problem is that he is surrounded by trators and light-weights new to governance. Being president is the most complicated job in the world in part because you are herdings billions of cats, each armed and dangerous. Prebus is an outright traitor loyal to the rigged system; McMaster is a passive-aggressive traitor loyal to John McCain, McMaster was a declared sychophant to Hillary Clinton and a NEVER TRUMP person. McMaster is incapable for coming up with a grand strategy that addresses the ten high-level threats to humanity, only one of which is military in nature, and he has no clue how to orchestrate plans across ALL Cabinet departments to deal with all those threats at the same time that he is delusional about keeping DoD centered on easy to kill conventional military formations and grostequely expensive and ineffective weapons systems such as the J-35 and the USS Gerald Force.

Trump has the potential -- his staff lacks the intelligence and integrity that is needed, and there is no way I am backing off on that point.

[RobertDavidSteele]

The 1000 military bases do not serve a military purpose and Trump is already pre-disposed to pulling back from all our unconstitutional wars and foreign occupations. The 1000 bases are used to smuggled gold, guns, drugs, cash, and small children. Many of them are also part of an archaic NSA network that is no longer needed, we steal everything directly from the communications and computing devices over the network and rely less and less on bounced radio signals (which is why Alice Springs in Australia can probably be closed).

I cannot spend a lot of time helping all of you catch up with 30 years of thinking by many others -- you can browse at http://phibetaiota.net and I also recommend my 2000+ non-fiction book reviews including the lists of lists of reviews here: http://phibetaiota.net/reviews/

Certainly you have my best wishes. I will come back here each time Barry tells me I need to.

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What's new is my three videos from Norway and my latest appearance on RT. Here are the links:

https://youtu.be/5et5dLgr7Ak

https://youtu.be/nghUx-uTiwg

https://youtu.be/yvYWNR9575I

https://youtu.be/trzyNPQ5zx4

[norman]

The situation is actually must better than most imagine. For example, we can balance the US budget simply by passing an honest health care plan such as Karl Denninger has outlined, it forces prices lists, ends support for people whose illnesses are brought on by life-style choices, and more.

hmmmm....

That's a bit savage. Those lifestyle choices where hardly free choices. There's more than 30 years of research into why.

[Chester]

My fullest explanation of active OSINT is at this link where not only see the powerpoint briefing, but also the two videos -- one my best short interview on active OSINT saving civilization, the second a video of my actual presentation in Denmark.

http://phibetaiota.net/2016/02/2016-robert-steele-on-osint-why-and-how/

Hi Robert, was the reply above your response to my three questions? If so (and you might be new to this type of exchange), there is a button that says, "Reply With Quote" which assists readers in knowing what you might be focusing on. Another tip is that you can use this feature and then eliminate all of a rather lengthy post other than the specific part you may be responding to. By doing this, the quoted portion shows both the "who" you are responding to as well as provides a click back to that original post... all helpful to some readers.

Here is what it could have looked like -


So the main question is – how (in detail… step by step) will it be possible to implement a world-wide, complete, open source intelligence sharing protocol when up against what seems likely to be a highly motivated and significantly powerful resistance?

A follow up question is… what will all these folks do when out of work?

The last question is, how will it be possible to somehow get enough of humanity on board such that the masses don’t go after the folks who would be outed, especially once the momentum shifts where it is possible this type of activity might actually get shut down?



So - assuming your response was to my three questions, I went to the link you provided and went through the power point slides (thanks for posting this all on your site) and I have to say that this was all way too complex for me to see any way any of my three questions were answered. I apologize as I am not ex-military or ex-intelligence agency human resource and I have never been a contractor to any type of DOD project where I might understand most of the terms and acronyms you used.

Also, I searched for the two videos you mentioned but could not find them on this link. Is it possible they are at another link?

I will try my best to not waste your time by researching more of your materials to find the answers I am seeking, but I am also sensing that the answers I am seeking - which describes the place where "the rubber meets the road" may not be so easily conveyed to laymen and regular folks like myself.

[Chester]

The situation is actually must better than most imagine. For example, we can balance the US budget simply by passing an honest health care plan such as Karl Denninger has outlined, it forces prices lists, ends support for people whose illnesses are brought on by life-style choices, and more.

hmmmm....

That's a bit savage. Those lifestyle choices where hardly free choices. There's more than 30 years of research into why.

Hi norman... based on my own experience and based on my direct knowledge of multiple examples where folk's life style choices directly caused medical issues (and in many cases quite expensive medical issues) whereby "fully publicly funded and/or publicly subsidized health care" far too often these choices were (and are) being made consciously, knowing the risks.

OPINION: It is unacceptable that government forces each and every tax payer to subsidize those who make these choices and then pay the price for these choices.

OPINION: Life is all about challenges. When we remove the requirement for individual, personal responsibility, we also remove perhaps the most precious gift life provides... the opportunity to playing a role in experiencing the overcoming of these challenges... indeed leading that effort.

STATEMENT: There is no black or white "test" as to who is deserving and who throws away their right to have their health care issues partially or fully paid for by the rest of society, but the "winds" seem to be blowing towards the latter and that, to me... is a terrible shame.

[7alon]

Truth & Reconciliation gives them an exit strategy. They are NOT close to establishing the New World Order. Had Hillary Clinton won, she and her girlfriend Lynn Rothschild would indeed have been close, at least to creating the end times.

http://phibetaiota.net/2016/11/robert-steele-the-accidental-president-will-he-resign-the-closed-system-is-still-rigged-and-likely-to-remain-so/

Last time I spoke with you regarding Lady Rothschild, you stated that she didn't agree with the agenda of people like Hillary Clinton, and that the reason why is because she 'gets it' and knows the world literally can't continue this way - for the sake of the elite and common folk. It would be an understatement for me to say I am confused about the sudden mention that Hillary and Lynn are buddies and have a desire to fulfil the same agenda.


Hello again Robert, I have some further questions for you if that is okay.

1. Do you have anything to say to those who remain sceptical regarding your views on people you imply are against the globalists, such as Lady Lynn Forester De Rothschild and Cynthia Mckinney? I for one am very interested regarding your view on Lady Lynn Rothschild, as she is the wife of Evelyn De Rothschild, who I never thought of as somebody who would be anti globalist.

RDS: Search for Inclusive Capitalism. Lynn, a babe from New Jersey, gets it. Her husband and her entire family are headed for extinction if they do not adjust.

[norman]

The situation is actually must better than most imagine. For example, we can balance the US budget simply by passing an honest health care plan such as Karl Denninger has outlined, it forces prices lists, ends support for people whose illnesses are brought on by life-style choices, and more.hmmmm....

That's a bit savage. Those lifestyle choices where hardly free choices. There's more than 30 years of research into why.

Hi Norman... based on my own experience and based on my direct knowledge of multiple examples where folk's life style choices directly caused medical issues (and in many cases quite expensive medical issues) whereby "fully publicly funded and/or publicly subsidized health care" far too often these choices were (and are) being made consciously, knowing the risks.

OPINION: It is unacceptable that government forces each and every tax payer to subsidize those who make these choices and then pay the price for these choices.

OPINION: Life is all about challenges. When we remove the requirement for individual, personal responsibility, we also remove perhaps the most precious gift life provides... the opportunity to playing a role in experiencing the overcoming of these challenges... indeed leading that effort.

STATEMENT: There is no black or white "test" as to who is deserving and who throws away their right to have their health care issues partially or fully paid for by the rest of society, but the view "winds" seem to be blowing towards the latter and that, to me... is a terrible shame.


We'll have to just disagree about his. There's an ocean of information about how people have been manipulated and trashed deliberately by the very people RDS is advocating a truth and reconciliation commission for rather than holding them fully accountable for their choices.

The following quote, an annotated section of Bill Cooper's 1989 speech to MUFON is just a tiny indicator of what's been going on.


"As a delaying action, ALL THREE ALTERNATIVES included BIRTH CONTROL, STERILIZATION, AND THE INTRODUCTION OF DEADLY MICROBES TO CONTROL OR SLOW THE GROWTH OF EARTH'S POPULATION. AIDS is only ONE result of these plans, there are others. It was decided BY THE ELITE that since the population must be reduced and controlled, it would be in the best intrest of the human race to rid ourselves of undesirable elements of our society. Specific targeted populations included BLACKS, HISPANICS, and HOMOSEXUALS."

Note: It appears that when they made this decision the elite were on the verge of possessing the technology to solve the overpopulation, food and energy problems - even to the point of being able to transport excess populations to other planetary bodies if necessary.

Apparently they opted for mass genocide which they believed would keep the population to a manageable minimum, not wishing to give up the political and economic control which they possessed and which would to a large degree be lost if they openly gave this super- technology freely to the masses.

[Chester]

Hi norman, you seem to be off base here.

I will explain by example:

I am bi-polar. When I smoke marijuana for a lengthy period of time... large doses of high quality marijuana where I wake up in the morning and do it all day, I eventually go full blown psychotic. This has happened to me 10 times.

When I had private insurance or money to pay for the for hospital bills I did not cost society and/or tax payers very much money. But the last few times this happened, I did because I had no private insurance and I had no money to pay the bills. The last few instances, I cost tax payers tens of thousands of dollars.

I knew after a good three or four episodes that if I get back on weed, this could happen. After about the 7th or 8th time, I knew for certain this would happen. Yet after each instance (up until the last event back in 2012) I made the choice to start smoking weed again. I was responsible for my actions and yet because I failed to make the right choices in this regard, I cost other people money.

THAT is (for example) what I am talking about.

There are folks who know they need to eat better and yet don't and who are unable to pay the medical expenses that are the result of their choice.

There are people who refuse to get any exercise despite their knowing that by not doing so, they increase their chances in experiencing serious health issues as a result.

Alcoholics who have learned they are alcoholic and yet who refuse to stay off alcohol after treatment.

Other types of addicts as well.

These are people who have a choice and I do not see how it behooves society OR the very individual if society foots the bill (and thus enables continued irresponsible behavior) of these individuals who consciously choose behavior that costs us all.

[norman]

I don't want to hijack this thread just to disagree with you over and over again. Please don't tell me I'm off base then proceed to ignore every aspect of the points in my post.

I'm fully aware of the principles of self responsibility in a perfect world. My post was all about the world you and I and everyone else has spent their lives actually living in.

I can't believe I'm actually having to contest this.

[sheme]

In the new world we treat anyone according to need not bar them from wellness because they are guilty of being weak -it could be the way to go.

[Chester]

In the new world we treat anyone according to need not bar them from wellness because they are guilty of being weak -it could be the way to go.

... and then there are those who take advantage of the good-hearted.

So it is up to the sound minded to make the true, most loving choice in situations like this that rightfully concludes it is better for the individual to stop enabling the individual.

In cases where an enabler enables another to self destruct, I can see the enabler being the weak one and thus it is up to others to bring that to the attention of the enabler before both the one who the enabler is enabling goes too far and the enabler must then face their own responsibility in assisting that other in going too far.

EDIT ADDED (for norman):



We'll have to just disagree about his. There's an ocean of information about how people have been manipulated and trashed deliberately by the very people RDS is advocating a truth and reconciliation commission for rather than holding them fully accountable for their choices.


Your response which I just quoted the significant portion of which I am responding to here has nothing to do with what I commented on where I quoted your quoting of RDS where you highlighted what stood out to me that prompted my comment.



The situation is actually must better than most imagine. For example, we can balance the US budget simply by passing an honest health care plan such as Karl Denninger has outlined, it forces prices lists, ends support for people whose illnesses are brought on by life-style choices, and more.


EDIT: removed my comment regarding "hijaking" as I incorrectly interpreted norman's comment. Apologies to norman and apologies to other members and readers.

Note though that I stand fully behind my view that no one is served when enabled in their actions which are knowingly self destructive and/or harmful to others.

[barneythez]

Well, this leaves us plenty to talk about, plenty to think about. I'm not sure RDS can answer all our questions, I think he's focussing on the larger issues here.
I'm almost certain the alien agenda will not let us blow ourselves up, but short of that, I think they are waiting for us to fix ourselves, and our planet. I can't help but think he's right about truth and reconciliation. We all have had a role to play here on this timeline, I am willing to let karma handle what I cannot. Who are we to judge. If we cannot thank the dark side for what they have taught us, then we will not have learned. My truth says that we ALL go to heaven, but if we have a debt to pay, then we must return. All must be in balance. So do the best to you can, some of us(certainly me) may not know how much debt we have to pay off, so better to err on the side of good.
That's as deep as I go.
Thank you Robert for replying, you saved my goose.
barney -- I'm sure someday he'll find out that I'm not Barry.

[7alon]

I also do not see how my commenting on your commenting is "hijacking" this thread if your commenting was not.

I believe he was referring to himself hijacking the thread by going back and forth with you. :)

:focus:

[DNA]

I would love to hear RDS elaborate on what he thinks about Steve Bannon losing his favor with Trump.


I personally find the timing suspect with Trump's new get tough policy on Syria. It feels like we are losing Trump to the deep state slash bankster elite.

[Helene West]

I would love to hear RDS elaborate on what he thinks about Steve Bannon losing his favor with Trump.


I personally find the timing suspect with Trump's new get tough policy on Syria. It feels like we are losing Trump to the deep state slash bankster elite.

I wonder if you are right.... I think if nothing comes of the uncovering of Susan Rice, we will know.

Many of us wanted trump if only we didn't want clinton, but what is being uncovered, is getting painful. The intel agencies won't cooperate with the Senate Intelligence investigation now. Who do they answer to? If they don't answer to Senators will they answer to Trump? I highly doubt it since there seems to be collusion with obama people, then who? If they answer to no one, at least no one we know about, then they are higher than the 3 branches of government?

Was Clinton's election just to be a formality? All deep state personnel in government and media have already been put in place they just wanted a 'diversity' figurehead to be the cherry on the top to make the mind controlled peasants feel Real good. The press can get away with ignoring the obama felons because half the population is - GONE.

btw, I heard that embedded in ObamaCare Lite was gun control legislation!! wtf!

[pyrangello]

3% -that's an important number in US history, that's what you RDS are doing. Back when our first president George Washington was commanding the the all volunteer militias of the colonies to fight the British for our independence of what is now the United States. The original force that volunteered totaled 22,000. After Washington lost battle after battle his forces dwindled down to 4000. Many said lets go back to British rule, many said yes will pay the taxes, many said it was a loosing battle. But on that day of the next battle with those 4000 militia members from the colonies under the command of George Washington who by the way always rode a white horse and was never shot. On that day this particular battle was won. And that started the change that turned the tide of an independence of a country. By the way , those 4000 militia members who were citizens of the colonies were just 3% of the entire population of the colonies. So thank you RDS for what you are doing and trying to achieve.
There is a ground swell in all areas for the course to be changed for the better of humanity from many all over the world!

2 questions for ya:

Q. any merit to planet x/ niburi/coming by and a time line if so, I've read about lots of underground bases here-US , Russia ect, ghost cities in china,quake and volcanic activity picking up?

Q. once and a while I'll read there is technology that can neutralize radiation -specifically like the radiation from Fukushima, from what i understand there is a river below the reactor that is flowing into the ocean at the rate of the size of lake superior every 2 days. Since the core has been breached on one of the reactors it is radiating that water to the tune of 300-400 tons of radiated water daily going into the pacific. Beside us polluting the crap out of the pacific ocean this radiation after 6 years seems to be now making a real impact on all of its sea life and it appears a mass die has started.Any comment sir? Thanks in advance. Stay the course. And thanks for being part the Avalon family, lots of great minds here!

[onawah]

RAW TALK WITH EX CIA ROBERT DAVID STEELE - THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY
http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/ex-cia-robert-david-steele-on-trump-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/
YNtsQmwas5k

A few short days ago, I posted
Ex-CIA officer, Robert David
Steele's comments about "The
Accidental President", Donald
Trump and how the latter
represented the peoples' best
option from the festering
swamp of blackmailed and
bribed politicians that is
Washington, DC. Steele
urged people around the
world to recognize that our
common enemy is the Deep
State.

Now, in the wake of Trump's
unilateral Tomahawk Cruise
missile bombing of a Syrian
airbase - which has suddenly
garnered him unprecedented
praise in the Mainstream
Media, Steele is angry and
disappointed - as are most
de facto Trump supporters, who
were never his hardcore fans as
much as they were part of the
"Never Hillary" camp.



Robert Steele calls Trump's Syria
bombing attack "Hillary in drag."

This recent turn of events puts many
things into question about what is
going on in the Trump White House.
Steele covers a head-spinning amount
of scenarios and he also delves into
the Grandaddy of all False Flag
operations, 9/11.
by Alexandra Bruce

[abmqa]

Hi norman, you seem to be off base here.

I will explain by example:

I am bi-polar. When I smoke marijuana for a lengthy period of time... large doses of high quality marijuana where I wake up in the morning and do it all day, I eventually go full blown psychotic. This has happened to me 10 times.

When I had private insurance or money to pay for the for hospital bills I did not cost society and/or tax payers very much money. But the last few times this happened, I did because I had no private insurance and I had no money to pay the bills. The last few instances, I cost tax payers tens of thousands of dollars.

I knew after a good three or four episodes that if I get back on weed, this could happen. After about the 7th or 8th time, I knew for certain this would happen. Yet after each instance (up until the last event back in 2012) I made the choice to start smoking weed again. I was responsible for my actions and yet because I failed to make the right choices in this regard, I cost other people money.

THAT is (for example) what I am talking about.

There are folks who know they need to eat better and yet don't and who are unable to pay the medical expenses that are the result of their choice.

There are people who refuse to get any exercise despite their knowing that by not doing so, they increase their chances in experiencing serious health issues as a result.

Alcoholics who have learned they are alcoholic and yet who refuse to stay off alcohol after treatment.

Other types of addicts as well.


How do you feel about the opiate epidemic that is occurring in the USA today? Do these "addicts" fit your profile as "life style" choices?

From what I understand so many people have become addicted to doctor prescribed opiates that we now have government programs to combat this issue.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/05/11/house-begins-passing-package-bills-fight-epidemic-opioid-addiction/84203944/

Apparently what occurs is people are prescribed an opioid for ..lets say for chronic back pain. Surgery won't fix it so they need pain meds. Some people quickly build a tolerance to opioids and need more daily than what has been prescribed.

Because they require more than what is prescribed they run out of the opioid before the next refill. This results in them either turning to "street drugs" like heroin or try to get opiates/opioids from the black market.

This is a huge problem in the USA affecting people of all classes, rich or poor and races.

So I ask you Sam, who is to blame in this case?

Should the chronic pain sufferer just ...suffer silently...though now, not only back pain, but from the subsequent withdrawals that usually occurs within 24 to 48 hours of not having the opioid?

I agree with Norman, that's a bit savage.

[norman]

Ep. 639 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Robert David Steele

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Published on Apr 11, 2017
Robert David Steele is the pro bono Chief Enabling Officer (CeO) of Earth Intelligence Network, a 501c3 devoted to teaching holistic analytics (HA), true cost economics (TCE), and open source everything engineering (OSEE).

Tonight we discuss the recent missile attack on Syria, the false-flag possibilities, the intel from the CIA, NSA and military...and govt surveillance.

[Chester]

to abmqa - I decided to respond to your post in the thread I created so as not to derail this thread.

my response (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97017-So-as-not-to-derail-or-hijack-the-Robert-David-Steel-thread...&p=1145890&viewfull=1#post1145890)

[abmqa]

Sam, my answers are inside your quoted text so as not to derail this post . I apologize in advance if I have...Sorry!!

[turiya]

Robert David Steele

I found this short video regarding Robert David Steele saying that Trump's missile launch was his JFK Bay of Pigs / Cuban Missile Crisis moment... In this video, it appears to me that Steve Pieczenik & RDS are not quite on the same page... Video Posted below.

As a side note: I would tend to agree with your layout of the very 1st of 3 possible scenarios that could be going on with this Syrian Missile strike... Below is also something I had brought to your attention previously. And this is Donald Trump's use of Game Theory used in his method of negotiating & deal-making.

Late Add................................

If this 1st scenario were to be true, then it would pretty much line up with what Steve Pieczenik has had to say in his most recent Infowars interview video with David Knight.


Steve Pieczenik Explains the Trump Missile Strike
(Published April 8, 20017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFL6eP2K7k8.............................................

If you care to comment on this, then please do so. Thanks in advance.


EX CIA Robert David Steele 5 Minute Teaser
On The State Of The Trump Admin
(Published on Apr 8, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaScCoY84pM________________________________

Keep in mind... the missile strike had been timed to when Trump was just sitting down to have dinner with the Chinese dictator, Xi Jinping... and note what recently occured with the reporting of Chinese troops massing at the border of North Korea... then, their are these other most recent headlines...



South Korean Paper Reports China Has Deployed 150,000 Troops To North Korea Border (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-10/stocks-slide-below-airstrikes-support-amid-russia-china-chatter)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/china%20army%20korea.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-10/stocks-slide-below-airstrikes-support-amid-russia-china-chatter)
While the catalyst is unclear, it appears the market dropped as headlines of further sanctions against Russia appeared and reports of China deploiying 150,000 troops to its North Korea border.

Apr 10, 2017 5:52 PM

North Korea Threatens U.S. With Nuclear Attack At Any Sign Of Pre-Emptive Strike (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11/north-korea-threatens-us-nuclear-attack-any-sign-pre-emptive-strike)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/carrier%20vinson.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11/north-korea-threatens-us-nuclear-attack-any-sign-pre-emptive-strike)
"Our revolutionary strong army is keenly watching every move by enemy elements with our nuclear sight focused on the U.S. invasionary bases not only in South Korea and the Pacific operation theatre but also in the U.S. mainland"

Apr 11, 2017 10:27 AM
China Threatens To Bomb North Korea's Nuclear Facilities If It Crosses Beijing's "Bottom Line" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11/china-threatens-bomb-north-koreas-nuclear-facilities-if-it-crosses-beijings-bottom-l)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/CHINA%20TANKS%202.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11/china-threatens-bomb-north-koreas-nuclear-facilities-if-it-crosses-beijings-bottom-l)
"If the bottom line is touched, China will employ all means available including the military means to strike back. By that time, it is not an issue of discussion whether China acquiesces in the US’ blows, but the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own.""

Apr 11, 2017 12:51 PM


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Game Theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory)
was applied in 1962 to the Cuban missile crisis
during the presidency of John F. Kennedy - WIKIPEDIA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory)


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Game Theory: Is Trump Truly Crazy
Or Just Playing Chicken? (https://app.hedgeye.com/insights/56966-game-theory-is-trump-truly-crazy-or-just-playing-chicken)

This special guest commentary was written
by our friend Richard Peterson M.D., (https://www.marketpsych.com/) MarketPsych (https://www.marketpsych.com/)

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"To achieve their mating goals, male elephants will sometimes play games of chicken, with one individual essentially giving the impression that he is crazy and has become an irrational player in a game premised on shared rationality and predictability." – Professor David Barash, Op-Ed in the NYTimes (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtL0ns1M5GPJC6b1CFhCqeYzbu1Pn3WYYsXuY1 CusBBjctYbVX5bJgGV1tLLG1oNtWV4uUVnITtfQFbZJmhSHLQ8 By5ps0XOX6nnDRPthN1FI3gUY_aAbeLajUqHPeDvJytDYdt21e xgxMumKMrFlVBmPfnKEKBLm82pcFBowxNEfa&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==), 2011
Happy Chinese New Year 2017
The year of the Rooster!


Fittingly, this Year of the Rooster corresponds with a surge in a cock-inspired game in international negotiations: playing chicken (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtLxw5KdnIVNQM_ZUE_YmzF4QKEvn_-AVjowkpMT3yb8rx4Op982F7AXFZLZI6RM5jx8463peJJBESRHP XANYfGkqGKExczLMFA2HVckOhpVPqDDk23go5R2EaWAktkByl5 AbIymaaiPGtOTdj7D6rXdUm_vmx_bIzrw==&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==).

As a young man I occasionally stood on the bridges across the Rio Grande, practicing Spanish and watching Mexicans commute to work in the United States. They bagged their clothes, paid a peso or two to a man with an inner tube, and were gently pulled across the river under the eye of inert border patrol agents. U.S. customs wasn't apparently concerned enough to intervene.

I myself climbed under the fence or waded the river a few times out of convenience or curiosity. Even the Laredo, Texas INS chief's nanny was well-known to commute to work that way. In subsequent years the border has obviously tightened. And now we're hearing about The Wall, whose conception has badly punished the Mexican Peso and local stocks.

As active investors it is our job to predict trends and reactions in global economies and markets. Donald Trump's spontaneity has introduced a degree of unpredictability to our work. His negotiations around trade agreements, immigration policy, tax policy, military arrangements (NATO), and budgetary allocations are all going to be significant to the markets over the next year. Whether one agrees with Trump's proposals or not, it's important to know how he will pursue them, when he will go full force, and when he might back down.


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Trump's tactics are familiar - and perhaps predictable - to students of game theory. Today's newsletter looks at this important topic - one we have addressed previously - the psychology of negotiation and playing chicken. Later we look at a turn in U.S. Dollar sentiment around the U.S. election and its aftermath.


Game Theory in the Real World

John Nash (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtL0ns1M5GPJC6TTxatgEB2IWkLW8vkSWTLUWn FVHGvblEvp_B-rApZ6OrDxlNtWCpuXCwjOYkLsKGLk6NVJa8rA06OUO898WSxE1 kiJffg5-UAuxZXXzFQ_S2EYsZgF7O8KNZpoNxO6wIxhPWdAWOooM=&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==) is the subject of the Academy Award-winning movie "A Beautiful Mind" and the father of Game Theory (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtL0ns1M5GPJC6kO3aT96jKUmzgN9EsnKkYy8H XzOyoNqDJF83UBbQzKwPRgs6xsq_LhkZuOeENOZgyyTh-iS0rrUxfsE-iJHT--2sBHgHifOTYfC4cPP9XLK418lbwNI6Z5m_U9BCoS1k4OeGCEks Sws=&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==) involving multiple equilibria in non-cooperative games - exactly what we need to understand the psychology of playing chicken.

In this past newsletter (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtLxw5KdnIVNQM3UVkoTatXr4oWivezh950N6I g00Zx6EWOxLi74Mrh76Ux7Y8N0i7Af-J1-5BS0OT1vfNYCaRC-zRAk0s-gjYOH2pHPwWDMHy_XyTBTQkpidb9058JtNelppc3jk88IFy_T_ 2GUApHrXuLkZr0289QmdI_c4DGcVfMmX8IiJ0_CdPmdP4MZElH g==&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==) on the Iranian pursuit of nuclear weapons, we discussed how Professor David P. Barash explained the game theory of young male elephants as akin to playing chicken. When a player in a game is in a weaker position, the only way to get additional power is to fake crazy like an elephant in "musth (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtLxw5KdnIVNQMNXi7oUiEgefIO_4x7T1MayIH oaf9o-utgmwGSExVbUyOWv6k2En7WxjokVPTXsJ9LRH4Ns1sRvVnSfWV JOXbv86vQVYrVnuoElmLWgvJp1CyMLkGOi4EPoQG_K4LEHqc&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==)".

Donald Trump may be in a position of "low power" (from a legal perspective) as he begins to renegotiate U.S. trade agreements. Yet there is a businessman's logic to his negotiation tactics.


Trump's Negotiation Style
(or just Playing Crazy)

In order to predict the future, we need to understand Trump's style, regardless of whether we agree with his policies.

To quote at length from the op-ed (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtL0ns1M5GPJC6b1CFhCqeYzbu1Pn3WYYsXuY1 CusBBjctYbVX5bJgGV1tLLG1oNtWV4uUVnITtfQFbZJmhSHLQ8 By5ps0XOX6nnDRPthN1FI3gUY_aAbeLajUqHPeDvJytDYdt21e xgxMumKMrFlVBmPfnKEKBLm82pcFBowxNEfa&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==) in the New York Times (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtL0ns1M5GPJC6b1CFhCqeYzbu1Pn3WYYsXuY1 CusBBjctYbVX5bJgGV1tLLG1oNtWV4uUVnITtfQFbZJmhSHLQ8 By5ps0XOX6nnDRPthN1FI3gUY_aAbeLajUqHPeDvJytDYdt21e xgxMumKMrFlVBmPfnKEKBLm82pcFBowxNEfa&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==) that opened this newsletter:

"It's a tactic that works surprisingly well, because male elephants can in fact become temporarily 'crazy'. One of the most terrifying sights in the animal world is an elephant in a state of 'musth': Huge bulls, oozing a weird, foul-smelling, greenish glop from glands near their eyes, behave with violent abandon, taking risks and defying the basic rules of pachyderm propriety (and also giving rise to the term "rogue elephant"). Facing an elephant in must, other elephants — not to mention people — are well advised to get out of the way."Dr. Barash explains that by playing chicken - as Donald Trump may be inclined to do as he renegotiates terms of existing trade agreements - low-power players can extract additional concessions due to their hardliner stance. As he puts it,

"The trick to winning is for one player to convince the other that under no circumstance will he or she veer off course." Dr. Barash continues, "Another tactic, favored by the strategist Herman Kahn, is to "throw out the steering wheel," to demonstrate that you are locked into a certain path and can't swerve."
When playing chicken it is best to convince your opponent that either:


You have no alternative course of action and so CANNOT compromise ("my constituents won't let me back down"), or
You are stone-cold crazy and could care less about the consequences to yourself ("I will take you down with me if that's how it has to be!").

Both of these strategies increase the negotiating power of a lesser player, but they also presume a rational analysis of the situation by that player. Sometimes your opponent truly is crazy, and you will always lose when playing chicken with such an opponent (as will they, but they won't care).


If Trump keeps his competitors guessing
what type of crazy he is, then he has already won.

Per Prof. Barash:

"In either case, whether you're confronting a rogue elephant or a rogue nuclear state, the advice is the same: stop playing the game. Avoid the elephant or shoot it; politically isolate the rogue state or use military force to disarm it."But Trump won't let his opponents stop playing the game. They are locked in, and in his early negotiations, he has the advantage of unpredictability.

Trump's negotiation style works well when the bottom line of every negotiation is money. (Who cares about pride in business if there is money to be made?) But in international negotiations, national pride can be wounded (Mexico this week (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtLxw5KdnIVNQMZSB3vQC5lRwTaTf4WJVqeWAk Tab0iDZPok1NIfs8daFxUB1y2t7YCUfnGEzj7Rst9RefHkrF21 9rd5PXDcBLcMBr8LrwYOs9Jw7PFZiWESAue_P4K32pX63yi2lG 3ER3GNZ3LHnjwbh0pj1gCl6FCbMGLyw71FiQbeAA3Kn0LlqX42 QYi5hdyQqDOQfc4VCvxtjUldpG3oqOv2b2gy96NA==&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==) and perhaps China later this year). When pride is wounded, national dignity often trumps (-sorry-) economic self-interest.

In terms of sheer political survival, it is rational for a government to appease its own public opinion about being bullied by playing chicken until the collision. Trump himself has staked such a stance in his blocking of free trade agreements such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), perhaps to his negotiating advantage.

But the real question remains unanswered - is Trump actually crazy or just playing crazy like an elephant in musth? As a psychiatrist I can't ethically answer (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtLxw5KdnIVNQMyJJn4YyV_ou3jJqfSJswmdEw dZwK1cPKJkeI_BzzbOEN2g0mNtS-LFFIDD4S6U9oWmPsnhiPuzR9hg3sS1v0tdgpy3_QKpTpsaQLVr 1u__QLYs3VXo_jp8oiQkFvQs67Q6T1HE-3ID4=&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==) that question. From this past week it appears that he will be consistent with his campaign promises. And in that sense there will be less unpredictability than his twitchy Twitter finger would suggest.


U.S. Dollar Sentiment

The election of Donald Trump prefaced surge in positive sentiment about U.S. stocks and the U.S. Dollar. A sentiment view of the U.S. Dollar is below.


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Note that the U.S. Dollar has stabilized at a level well-above it's low of the pre-election period, so it's not as if the market doesn't trust Trump. But the original enthusiasm has faded as we settle into the messy business of negotiating and governing.

The month of February may set the sentiment tone for the year as we come to understand whether Trump has a method to his perceived madness, or whether conflict and turmoil will be a baseline state for the next four years.


Houskeeping and Closing

Just as Wall Street climbs a "Wall of Worry," we are at all-time highs in the equity markets. A bit of stress and a shake-up of the system may be just what the U.S. needs. And unless some clear method is discerned in the madness, it's likely that the perception of madness IS the preferred method of the next four years under Trump.

As Trump himself noted in his 1987 book, “The Art of the Deal,” (https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Art-Deal-Donald-J/dp/0399594493) and paraphrased from the WSJ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hMDYFEryQGPIATeN9fv_kZPc3mbaM4W8J5ALfZ paZrSk3R3xXXPtLxw5KdnIVNQMZSB3vQC5lRwTaTf4WJVqeWAk Tab0iDZPok1NIfs8daFxUB1y2t7YCUfnGEzj7Rst9RefHkrF21 9rd5PXDcBLcMBr8LrwYOs9Jw7PFZiWESAue_P4K32pX63yi2lG 3ER3GNZ3LHnjwbh0pj1gCl6FCbMGLyw71FiQbeAA3Kn0LlqX42 QYi5hdyQqDOQfc4VCvxtjUldpG3oqOv2b2gy96NA==&c=16pcESSO0Jkw2yky8eJeNm24Ah-9nO-CEO808IL8eqfx59V2rUYN8A==&ch=m4DwkuizT7Yp20dC68oj465u41Pjk0-jQqZGk-G6xs2W7efGEwJQUw==) his style is:

"To aim very high,” and then to keep “pushing and pushing to get what I’m after.” “Sometimes I settle for less than I sought,” he continued, “but in most cases I still end up with what I want.”

And always remember: Playing crazy isn't the same as being crazy. In fact, it can be quite the opposite if it gets you what you want.We love to chat with our readers about their experience with psychology in the markets. Please send us feedback on what you'd like to hear more about in this area. Read more about individual psychology in our books "Inside the Investor's Brain" (Wiley, 2007) and "MarketPsych" (Wiley, 2010). Market psychology and sentiment-driven market patterns are examined in our newest book "Trading on Sentiment: The Power of Minds Over Markets" (Wiley, 2016).

If you represent an institution, please contact us if you'd like to see into the mind of the market using our Thomson Reuters MarketPsych Indices to monitor real-time market psychology and macroeconomic trends for 30 currencies, 50 commodities, 130 countries, 50 equity sectors and indexes, and 10,000 global equities extracted in real-time from millions of social and news media articles daily.

Happy Year of the Rooster!
Richard Peterson M.D. and the MarketPsych Team
EDITOR'S NOTE

This is a Hedgeye Guest Contributor piece written by Dr. Richard Peterson. Peterson is CEO of the MarketPsych (https://www.marketpsych.com/) group of companies where he leads MarketPsych's data and asset management division. He has trained thousands of professionals globally to leverage behavioral insights. He is a board-certified psychiatrist and author of Trading on Sentiment (http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1119122767.html).This piece does not necessarily reflect the opinion of Hedgeye.

Hedgeye (https://app.hedgeye.com/insights/56966-game-theory-is-trump-truly-crazy-or-just-playing-chicken)

[turiya]

Commercial Satellite Imagery Shows
Russia Lied In Its Cruise Missile Assessment (http://fmshooter.com/commercial-satellite-imagery-shows-russia-lied-cruise-missile-assessment/)

April 14, 2017
by Duane (http://fmshooter.com/author/duane/)

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Recently, Free Market Shooter published a “cost-benefit” battle damage assessment (BDA) (http://fmshooter.com/cruise-missile-strike-syria-worth-cost-benefit-battle-damage-assessment-bda/), detailing whether or not the cruise missile strike was actually worth it. However, the article itself didn’t incorporate an actual BDA, instead relying on estimates based on both US and Russian reports.

Notably, the Russians reported that the US attack “inefficient” (https://theaviationist.com/2017/04/07/us-military-has-launched-59-cruise-missiles-at-airbase-in-syria-heres-what-we-know-so-far/), claiming that only 23 of the 59 missiles hit the Shayrat Air Base in Syria:

Only 23 missiles flew to the Syrian air base and just 6 MiG-23s were destroyed there along with a radar station, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, Major-General Igor Konashenkov, said at a briefing (https://ria.ru/syria/20170407/1491726737.html). Where the remaining 36 cruise missiles have landed is “unknown,” he said.However, a quick glance over commercially available satellite imagery shows that the Konashenkov has been caught red-handed peddling some serious fiction with his statement.


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Image Sat International, which operates its own satellites, released an article shortly after the missile strike (http://archive.is/zuxre) detailing the damage to the Shayrat Air Base. Even their commercially available technology directly contradicts the Russian military statement:

ISI very high resolution satellite imagery was able to reveal the results of the Tomahawk cruise missiles attack on the Al-Shayrat Air Base. According to ISI experts, the total of 44 targets hit. Several targets may have hit twice. Photo and analysis of the attack were carried out within 10 hours of the attack.

An in-depth examination of the damage to the objectives shows that 13 double hardened aircraft shelters (HAS) got 23 hits. 5 workshops got hit. The workshops are not necessarily related to WMD, but to aircraft and their ability to do maintenance and fly.

Ten ammunition storages got hit. Seven fuel reservoirs of the AFB got hit at two sites with eight hits total. Two locations remain untouched. One SA6 Battery utterly destroyed along with its radars and control systems. In total, five SA6 Battery elements hit.

The results show that the target hits were accurate and that the Tomahawks have been used effectively against quality targets. Although 58 missiles hit the base, it seems that the overall damage to the base is limited because the warhead of the Tomahawk is not considered large and weighs about 450 kg.http://www.dnevno.ba/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/shayrat07042017.jpg

https://i-invdn-com.akamaized.net/trkd-images/LYNXMPED380I6_L.jpg

http://www.vesti-online.com/data/images/2017-04-11/648195_2017-04-09t151044z-2088393510-rc1f22f2bd10-rtrmadp-3-mideast-crisis-syria_iff.jpg?1491909270

http://static.lakana.com/nxsglobal/feedsite/photo/2017/04/08/Syria%20before%20and%20after%203_1491615305392_19505554_ver1.0_640_360.jpg

Furthermore, according to “TJ” (https://theaviationist.com/2017/04/07/us-military-has-launched-59-cruise-missiles-at-airbase-in-syria-heres-what-we-know-so-far/), if you review old Google Earth imagery, the Russian UAV footage of allegedly undamaged aircraft were of old aircraft that have been parked at the airbase for over a decade.

This makes it much more difficult to take the Russian military at its word when assessing the future efficacy of US military strikes. Take note, the original article published by Free Market Shooter on Monday echoed similar doubts as to the Russian’s claims:

Note that the Russians have taken issue with the US Navy claims of 59 successful Tomahawk impacts, claiming that only 23 reached their targets (https://www.rt.com/news/383858-syria-us-strike-inefficient/). This is fairly difficult to believe, given how effective the Tomahawk weapons system has been over the years. It seems the Russians are echoing these claims after the US made similar (though far better founded) claims that Russian cruise missile strikes in Syria in prior years had a high failure rate (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/10/07/these-are-the-cruise-missiles-russia-just-sent-into-syria/?utm_term=.257f61d604aa), making a veiled attempt to place a similar level of embarrassment upon the US Navy.It seems that in their “veiled attempt” to embarrass the US Navy, the Russian military has only succeeded in embarrassing itself. The fact that commercial satellite imagery has so easily disproven the Russian claims is testament to the fact that modern technology has made it far more difficult for governments everywhere to blatantly lie about the facts, thinking that they can use their “trusted status” to get away with it, as they have for so many years.

Going forward, we will need to bear in mind the Russian propensity to lie about US military damage assessments in all future content. Then again… it is not as though the US DoD has always proven itself to be a trustworthy source in the past either. Fortunately, the world has more technology and sources like ISI to tell us who is lying, and when.

Free Market Shooter (http://fmshooter.com/commercial-satellite-imagery-shows-russia-lied-cruise-missile-assessment/)

[turiya]

It seems RDS is quite preoccupied with doing interviews, and so is not able to see what is developing here on the PA Forum... perhaps, he will drop by for a visit at some point.

Here's one of RDS' more recent exchanges... his central message doesn't change much, so it seems. As for the content itself, I find a few gaping holes in what Robert has been claiming. The video is posted below. And I will attempt to plainly list some apparent contradictions in what Robert "shares" with his audience...


Inside Trumps War with Robert David Steele
(Published on Apr 13, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UfYLA7FCqQ

[starting @1:00]
RDS states:

About Mike Pompeo: "He told Trump that the chemical attack in Syria was a false flag. He got it right, saying that it should not be responded to. Trump dis-invited Pompeo from the discussion on the decision to go into Syria."



It appears that this is enitrely false... And to put it rather politely... it seems that whoever is Robert's intel source was actually the liar! The following from Mike Pompeo's first speech. Pompeo explains how the decision came about & as to who was responsible for the chemical attack in Syria.
(Keep in mind that Pompeo is the Director of the 'CIA Team' that came to the decision that it was Bashar al Assad that was the guilty party, who then convinced Trump of their finding.)

As quoted from the video:





Pompeo said. “I can assure you that we were challenged by the president and his team,” he said. “We wanted to make sure that we had it right and there’s not much like when the president looks at you and says, ‘Pompeo, are you sure?”



Pompeo: 'When the President Looks at You
and Says, ‘Pompeo, are You Sure''
(Original Published April 13, 1017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YicmchuuYo

Robert gives 3 possible reasons as to why Trump has shot missiles into Syria:
1) Trump was always a Deep State candidate - a back up to Clinton in case she imploded & wasn't elected, and now showing his true colors.

2) Trump is being lied to... so that Saudi Arabia & Israel can put 150,000 troops into Syria. Neocons John McCain, John Brennan, & General Herbert McMaster are conspiring with David Petraeus (works for Zionist firm KKR (NYC), who has conspired with Israeli President Netanyahu & Saudi Royal Family (paid for the chemical attack in Syria) & encouraged by the neocons...
(At this time, you inflate the notion that "Donald Trump has broken his promises to every American"...)

3) "Donald Trump is an extraordinary clever player who is in 3D chess mode while the rest of us are in checkers. There are every indication that this missile attack was prearranged with Russia & Syria - with Assad & Putin. The air base that was struck was abandonned. "

RDS goes onto say, the General Mattis lied to the American public when he said all the missiles hit their target. And you flatly say, "Jim Mattis is a liar!" And RDS claims that only 39% of the missiles hit their target.

(Here, there appears to be some difference in RDS information & the results shown in the article in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96942-Latest-from-Robert-David-Steele--1-April-2017-&p=1146905&viewfull=1#post1146905) on the previous page: RDS follows the RT news story which states that 23 out of 59 missiles, as opposed to 58 out of 59 missiles, hit their target.)

One thing that I would lay emphasis on is the statement to say immediately following the point RDS had made by saying, "I'm not sure of what is going on!"

Going forward, RDS states emphatically: "Donald Trump is lying to the public." about the fact that the sarin gas attack was a false-flag attack.

The possible notions RDS gives as to WHY(?) Donald Trump would be doing this:

(1) Donald Trump is being bribed by Lynn de Rothschild with $20 billion, making him the Rothschild 'bitch'. (I find this absolutely hilarious! lol!)

(2) Donald Trump is testing all his advisors... (this one possibility would be the scenario that I would agree with.)

(3) Trump is being Blackmailed.

a) Donald is on video raping a little girl named Mary. (lol!)
b) The Israelis have a nuclear device using it as a threat... similar to what they did with Fukushima...
c) Donald Trump is being lied to by Jared Kushner, he's being lied to by McMaster, the only one that isn't lying to him is Steve Bannon... which Donald has just publicly spanked... (I think Steve Bannon can take a few hits - like what has already been coming at him via the 'fake news' corporate media.)


Running the risk of repeating myself...

RDS then says that CIA Director, Mike Pompeo, is the only guy that has come out of this 'shining'... (I don't think so.)

I say this because, Pompeo has just slammed Wikileaks as being a fraud, playing for the notoriaty... And because Wikileaks has just put out a tweet that says the MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) used to hit underground tunnels in Afghanistan - these tunnels were built by the CIA for ISIS to use... The CIA has created ISIS! And you say,



"Mike Pompeo comes out of this Shining!"-- Robert David Steele

So, come on, RDS! Where is your so-called 'Intelligence' on this one??? (See my latest posts here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95893-Trump-The-Great-American-Reset&p=1146738&viewfull=1#post1146738) & here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1146744&viewfull=1#post1146744), in this regard.)


***







And as far as the MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) that was dropped on a system of tunnels in Afghanistan, the following had been tweeted by Wikileaks that comes by way of the Ron Paul Institute...

(Note: RDS has listed Ron Paul as being a part of his 'Advisory Team' for Trump.)

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/WIKILEAKS_TWE/RON_PAUL_WEAKILEAKS_AFGHAN_TUNNELS_WERE_BUILT_BY_C IA.png (https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/852979543652667397)

Care to comment, Robert David Steele?


________________Late Add_________________

There is this one other thing that threw up a red flag for me, and that was when you, RDS, mentioned the name of Jill Stein in relation to the following:


Robert's notion of having a 'New Political Action Committee' / a 'We the People Coalition' sounds very similar to Obama's Organizing for Action coalition. And when Robert promotes Jill Stein as being a part of it... well, I smell a rat! Jill Stein was thought to be paid by George Soros when she tried to block Trump's Electoral votes during her push for a vote recount. RDS seems to be simply another party member - the Green Party - that is seeking a position of political power & prestige... with a self-styled attempt to subjugate the Trump presidency.

Suggestion: Showing a bit more respect for a man that has seeming come this far - against overwhelming odds of the Deep State, the Fake News Corporate MSM, Neocons, Left-wing extremists, the establisment GOP & Rockefeller / Rothschilds / Royal families - would absolutely show that you would indeed sincerely bless him to your grave (from the above interview), this would make you more believable when you would say something like that - just saying...

Otherwise, it seems that... with all the countless number of Robert David Steele interviews that are suddenly appearing on the internet, it has the appearance of you running your own campaign to overthrow the Trump presidency.

So, Robert David Steele, would you also care to comment on this, as well?

Best regards....

[Satori]

Many of my red flags go up and alarm bells go off when I listen to Mr. Steele or read his recent declarations (including his petition for an audience with Trump), or when he is the topic of discussion.

[Chester]

Well, about 8 or 9 days ago I watched one of the latest Robert David Steele video "interviews" and in this video RDS stated unequivocally that by the end of the next week (which for me ended yesterday) Reince Priebus "would be gone." I said to a few friends at that time that if this did not happen, I would have lost all "open mindedness" regarding RDS. So the date has, for me... come and gone.

I am unsure what RDS really wants, but I cannot imagine how he can possibly think that any serious minded individual could continue to take him seriously when he makes such claims (like all the high level 'pedogate' arrests he promised a few months back as an example) and whiffs on every one. As part of my operational protocol, I always try and give someone the benefit of the doubt... at least I try to come into the situation with an open mind. But when I experience disappointment after disappointment, I eventually lose patience.

So as of today I regret to say that I will no longer be spending my time or energy focusing on RDS.

[barneythez]

Hello Avalon,
The second American Revolution has begun. :highfive:

http://phibetaiota.net/unrig/

Send your positive energy.......please.

You might have to wait, it's crashing on him. I'll keep you posted.

[Kryztian]

Who is Robert David Steele? What is he doing again? I can see there are links there, but you haven't told me anything that would make me want to click on them.

Project Avalon is more than just a collection of member submitted links. Users are also expected to submit information and ideas. At least a short synopsis might be helpful to keep you posts from fading into obscurity and possibly generating interesting discussion.

[robinr1]

if it looks appealing to you...read it...if not don't..... anything but passive aggressive whining!!!!!

[Blacklight43]

Looks like the site has crashed.

[norman]

Who is Robert David Steele? What is he doing again? I can see there are links there, but you haven't told me anything that would make me want to click on them.

Project Avalon is more than just a collection of member submitted links. Users are also expected to submit information and ideas. At least a short synopsis might be helpful to keep you posts from fading into obscurity and possibly generating interesting discussion.

Robert David Steel sprung to prominence last year after Jeff Rense interviewed him about his open source concepts and how they would apply to the political/power issues in the United States and the world.

Personally, I liked a couple of his ideas very much but ultimately he failed my humanity smell test when he advocated an extreme program of economic anarchy with zero safety net for the most vulnerable victims of what's been going on for at least 2 generations.

[barneythez]

OK, site is up and running again.

[DNA]

Robert David Steele is being endorsed by Cynthia McKinney who is an amazing former congresswoman.
Cynthia knows what is going on and isn't afraid to bust the balls of those who are doing it. Here she is grilling Rumsfield over Haloburtan and DyneCorp being caught red handed human trafficking sex slaves slash ritual sacrifice people out of Yogoslavia while Clinton was bombing Yogoslavia back in the nineties.
Apparently it is text book for the CIA to open orphanages and the like in a country before it is invaded and use it to gather sex/slave pedo victims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJK3RvkSJFg
yJK3RvkSJFg


And here is more validation on the accusations. Courtesy of Zerohedge
Former DyneCorp VP and US General charged for rape of a minor.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-17/former-dyncorp-vp-charged-rape-minor

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Robert David Steel sprung to prominence last year after Jeff Rense interviewed him about his open source concepts and how they would apply to the political/power issues in the United States and the world.

Personally, I liked a couple of his ideas very much but ultimately he failed my humanity smell test when he advocated an extreme program of economic anarchy with zero safety net for the most vulnerable victims of what's been going on for at least 2 generations.

All kinds of stuff he's said doesn't pass my general smell test. And I think the CIA should be permanently disbanded and foreign intelligence given to the military to worry about.



Robert David Steele is being endorsed by Cynthia McKinney who is an amazing former congresswoman.

She was good on some things but not on others. She certainly is not perfect: she favors socialist welfare policies too.

[we-R-one]

Robert David Steel sprung to prominence last year after Jeff Rense interviewed him about his open source concepts and how they would apply to the political/power issues in the United States and the world.

Personally, I liked a couple of his ideas very much but ultimately he failed my humanity smell test when he advocated an extreme program of economic anarchy with zero safety net for the most vulnerable victims of what's been going on for at least 2 generations.

All kinds of stuff he's said doesn't pass my general smell test. And I think the CIA should be permanently disbanded and foreign intelligence given to the military to worry about.


I couldn't agree more! I briefly vetted RDS back in 2015 and didn't like what I was hearing. Someone had posted this youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ_s_waokDg

This was my review:

I watched the first 15min of this video just 'for fun' though I knew this guy was a waste of time right out of the gate based on his alphabet soup credentials. I'm sorry but I have no trust in CIA officials and the impression I'm left with is this person supports a 'Progressive' stance...

For example, Robert David Steele touts Joan Blades, founder of moveon.org which is nothing but a bunch of progressives. Are you for real? These people are the very reason we're in this whole mess!!! Please research Agenda 21 for deeper meaning. Something else I've learned while researching...Once CIA always CIA...you never leave 'the club'. Hmmmm, where did I hear that before.......lol...I'll keep that one to myself however I will say, the person has openly admitted to being 'best friends' with a former CIA director, oh and yes he's on this forum, lol.

From the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoveOn.org
"Since the 2000 election cycle, the MoveOn PAC has endorsed and supported the campaigns of candidates, including the 2008 candidacy of then-Senator Barack Obama, presidential candidate, nominee of the Democratic Party.[13]"

So let me get this straight, he's bad mouthing Obama, and yet he praises Joan Blades, the founder of moveon.org whose organization basically endorsed and supported Barack Obama??? LMAO, ROFL....It will be a cold day in hell before I follow these people. I walk away feeling we have a wolf in sheep's clothing. This is where vetting helps you determine who's the problem and who's the solution and this guy is anything but the solution, imo...He promotes a person and an organization that are the problems from what I can see, so it's very telling what side of the bed he's sleeping on and I find it hard to believe he doesn't know what he's doing. I suspect this interview is a mix of telling the public what they want to hear and then promoting the people who are creating the problems and taking away our freedoms, and it all stems back to the implementation of Agenda 21. Unfortunately if you are not familiar with some of the players, and you don't take the time to understand what Agenda 21 aka FUTURE EARTH AKA AGENDA 2030 is, who's behind it and how it's being implemented you will continually 'follow' the wrong people, such as the likes of Bernie 'Progressive' Sanders.

'They' count on the average person not understanding which is why it's so easy to snowball people. In fact...this looks to be nothing more than a Psyop.

I say run,...run as fast as you can from this one.

PS Sorry Barney, this is nothing personal, this is based on researching and understanding some of the individuals in the background to the best of my abilities. Yes I realize Mr. Steele is a member here on Avalon. I'm not attacking him as a person. I cannot support his stance in its entirety and his background is concerning to me, regardless I wish him all the best.

[Lost N Found]

I hear and read your post we-R-one and I lean right into what you say. This is my two cents worth for what is happening on political scene and I have to say that it is all political so that in its self should make anyone's hair stand straight up because that is the worst and biggest problem in this world today. The Words Government and politics and anyone involved in them should be banned from this world as far as I can see. These things are fictions and have no real humanity, can't deal with real human beings and nothing more than a sick, very sick thought up thing by non human beings as far as I see also.

Now for this Mr. Robert David Steele character., I have watched his interviews and he certainly is making his rounds. All I ever hear him say is the same old BS about being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize but actually turning it down and saying that the shill that was put up for the latest and last dog and pony show should get it if he would just listen to Mr. Steele. I can agree with some of his stuff but then it comes to what is real and what is nothing more than what that weird man a few years ago was pushing. Mr. Tim Turner pushed the Republic of the united States and garnered himself lots of money and then everyone heard that the
FBI arrested him for creating Paper Terrorism. Supposedly he went to prison for 15 years but I seriously doubt that. I think he is probably sitting on a beach somewhere drinking Corona's and laughing about how he was able to bamboozle all the folks he did.

Mr. Steele is getting nothing done and talks about we the people just the same as the tea party and tim turner and a whole host of others that are still political. Pushing the billionaire Trump never was a good option. I told way to many people that voting was a fraud and the elections were nothing but bread and circus crap but I had to stop because the brain dead are awash in thinking they can change everything if they vote the right fictional character in. They get screwed every time so what can you say. Mr. Steele appears to be a very good human and maybe he is trying to do good but going about it into the political and Government realm of crap is never going to work and I see that there are so many more humans out here that are becoming awake and aware.

Run away from this and run as fast as you can.
I can only say one thing and I am seeing this in other parts of the world, ALL PEOPLE MUST STAND TOGETHER AND WASH THIS CRAP FROM OUR WORLD.

Steven

[we-R-one]

Now for this Mr. Robert David Steele character., I have watched his interviews and he certainly is making his rounds. All I ever hear him say is the same old BS about being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize .......

Something that I wouldn't want to be nominated for as it's clear from some of the past recipients for ex. Obama, that it's nothing but a baseless mechanism to elevate the wrong people to the eyes of the public. So maybe the fact that there's a nomination is telling in itself?


I can agree with some of his stuff but then it comes to what is real and what is nothing more than what that weird man a few years ago was pushing. Mr. Tim Turner pushed the Republic of the united States and garnered himself lots of money and then everyone heard that the FBI arrested him for creating Paper Terrorism. Supposedly he went to prison for 15 years but I seriously doubt that. I think he is probably sitting on a beach somewhere drinking Corona's and laughing about how he was able to bamboozle all the folks he did.

Ya I've often wondered what came about with Turner and was it all just a ploy to wash out the rebels who were willing to take a stance against the corruption. Tea Party people et al aren't sophisticated enough imo to recognize when they're being over-run and usurped and those in charge are very aware of their weaknesses.


Mr. Steele is getting nothing done and talks about we the people just the same as the tea party and tim turner and a whole host of others that are still political. Pushing the billionaire Trump never was a good option. I told way to many people that voting was a fraud and the elections were nothing but bread and circus crap but I had to stop because the brain dead are awash in thinking they can change everything if they vote the right fictional character in. They get screwed every time so what can you say. Mr. Steele appears to be a very good human and maybe he is trying to do good but going about it into the political and Government realm of crap is never going to work .....

I see nothing 'good' about the 'Progressive' stance in regards to 'we the people' and you can't tell me Mr. Steele isn't aware of what he's supporting. A vote for a 'Progressive' is a vote for Agenda 21 and they come in all walks of life and can be found mixed in all the various parties if you know what to look for....


Note to self....Under the current never-ending climate of fraud..never brag about being nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

Ex-Nobel Official: Barack Obama’s Peace Prize Didn’t Have Desired Effect
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/17/ex-nobel-official-barack-obamas-peace-prize-didnt-desired-effect/

"The ex-secretary of the Nobel Committee says in a soon-to-be-released book that awarding the Peace Prize to Barack Obama in 2009 did not have the desired effect.

Geir Lundestad served as secretary to the committee for 25 years until he retired near the end of last year. In a new book, which is set to be released Thursday, Lundestad says awarding Obama the Peace Prize was intended to strengthen his hand but that it did not have the desired effect. He writes, “Even many of Obama’s supporters believed that the prize was a mistake. In that sense the committee didn’t achieve what it had hoped for.”

Lundestad’s book echoes statements he made to Norwegian news outlet Aftenposten last year, shortly after his retirement. At the time, he said the Peace Prize was awarded to recognize Obama’s achievement of becoming America’s first black President and also because the committee believed the new President shared their values on diplomacy, human rights, and environmental policy. But Lunestad recognized the prize came too early and did not wind up strengthening Obama’s hand at home.

The new book is also heavily critical of Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjørn Jagland. With regard to the 2009 Peace Prize, Lundestad claims Jagland was enthusiastic about giving Obama the prize but adds that the chairman had surprising gaps in his knowledge. Lundestad says the chairman credited Obama for saving the ABM treaty when, in reality, George W. Bush had withdrawn the U.S. from the ABM Treaty in 2002."


The epic tale of Alice in Wonderland is alive and well..

[Lost N Found]

The epic tale of Alice in Wonderland is alive and well..

Yes of course, down the rabbit hole we go with hope and prayers in hand. Always looking for an answer and growing small and big and loosing and winning but by the great creator we are going to find the end to this madness, don't you think?

Cynthia McKinney is for sure a wonderful woman but then again she is a politician and what is the saying that fills the air about politicians. Robert is an Ex-CIA, Ha, Ha. Ex my a**. The continuing saga of fixing the government as it is today just so we can have a different government with a new boss, same as the old boss. Bankers will stay in control, OH! it's the Deep State, It's the secret societies, It's the billionaires, Whatever, it is all beyond our reach as the useless eaters. Robert and Ryan and Trump and Pence and Priebus and all of them including Brietbart and any of the left or right that is thrown at us appears to be put there to distract us from the real truth and how many are fallen away as we all fall down that rabbit hole?

All of this is hard and scary and a clear separation from us as one. I am so sorry Barney for being or sounding negative about this man. I really tried to accept something but the more I listen and what I hear it makes me really want to stay clear of the rhetoric from this man. "God bless Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders." I hear this constantly from Robert. Sure he says it is because these two men woke up the populace to the Deep State but the Trumper is nothing more than a shill and we really have not had a real president since 1861 or a congress for that matter. Why shucks we could go back even further than that. So for Robert David Steele to be pushing his schpeel and saying he can change everything by just 7 things if the Donald will just listen to him, does not seem right in my book. "Doesn't pass the smell test" as it has been said above.

So Robert and Cynthia and Jesse Ventura and all those others that Robert wants to gang up with are now thinking of creating their own special government. How wonderful and will the people of the world really get any say in this special brand of oligarchs? or will we all just be controlled by the new boss, same as the old boss?

Yes we are all diving down that rabbit hole, Whoopee wonder how far it will take us until the end? It's dark and all the money has disappeared, Damn now what?

Just a pessimist

[barneythez]

Please Lost N Found, don't apologize to me. As Bill would say, this is all just a game, albeit a very serious game, but a game none the less. Cheer up, enjoy the drama, it's the toughest game in the universe. All eye's are on us, and for good reason. As above, so below. When the drama gets to be too much, remember the phrase in the Bible "seek first the kingdom". No I'm into religion, but there are a few good quotes.
Here's a secret, the kingdom is within. If you don't go within, you go without.
Kinda catchy huh?
Cheers!

[we-R-one]

Robert David Steele is being endorsed by Cynthia McKinney who is an amazing former congresswoman.




Cynthia McKinney is for sure a wonderful woman but then again she is a politician and what is the saying that fills the air about politicians.

One more thing....Cynthia McKinney too is a 'Progressive' regardless of past 'performances'. How do I know? This is how you do it....google her name...go to her wikipedia page here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney

Note: a vote for a Democrat is a vote for the Progressive movement as the party has long been taken over!

Look to the right under her picture where it says political party....Red flag number 1...She's from the Democratic Party, the heart of the Progressive movement. Red flag number 2....She's a member of the Green Party. Click on 'Green'. What does it say:

"The Green Party of the United States (GPUS or Greens) is a green and progressive political party in the United States"

and this:

"The party, which is the country's fourth-largest by membership, promotes environmentalism, nonviolence, social justice, participatory grassroots democracy, gender equality, LGBT rights, anti-war and anti-racism. On the political spectrum the party is generally seen as left-wing, and in 2016 officially self-described as an anti-capitalist party."

Anti-racism?? Couldn't have fooled me, lol. Non-violent?? Do I really have to explain that one? Oh they're left wing alright...


More on the Progressive Movement:
http://www.agenda21course.com/november-2016-agenda21course-com-newsletter/#more-1928

"Table of Contents
Introduction

History of the Progressive Movement

Deceitful Tactics Used by the Progressives

What are the Tenets of Progressivism?

Conclusion
________________________________________________________________

Introduction

Do You Really Understand What a Progressive is, their history, their goals, and their tactics? If you cannot answer this question, you cannot intelligently cast a vote for Hillary Clinton. If you read this newsletter, you can get the information you need to vote wisely.
_________________________________________________________________
History of the Progressive Movement

The effort to transform America and Europe into the chaotic mess they are today has been “progressing” for well over 100 years. Those who have caused this so-called “progress” are known as Progressives. The following is the short history of Progressivism.

Progressivism was the reform movement that ran from the late 19th century through the first decades of the 20th century, during which leading intellectuals and social reformers in the United States sought to address the economic, political, and cultural questions that had arisen in the context of the rapid changes brought with the Industrial Revolution and the growth of modern capitalism in America. The Progressives believed that these changes marked the end of the old order and required the creation of a new order appropriate for the new industrial age.
Sound pretty good, doesn’t it? But if Progressivism is such a good idea, wouldn’t the American People accept it willingly; without trickery and deceit? Let’s investigate this a bit further.

Deceitful Tactics Used by the Progressives

The Progressives favorite strategies for the advancement of their policies are those found in Rules for Radicals written by Saul Alinski; the same Saul Alinsky about whom Hillary Clinton wrote her college thesis. These Progressive strategies include

1. …”overwhelming their enemies’ systems”. The Progressives throw so much at their adversaries that their adversaries literally are so bogged down they cannot function.
2. …”controlling the message”. This means never give press conferences-only give infrequent scripted speeches where questions are not allowed or if forced to admit something which makes the Progressive look bad, put it out late in the news cycle on Friday, etc.,)
3. … total demonization of their opponents, even if the Progressives have to lie or cheat to do so. This causes the citizens receiving this negative information to engage their emotions, while shutting down their logical thinking. In this way the citizens learn to hate (a powerful emotion) whomever the Progressives are attempting to smear, instead of stepping back and looking to see if the “evidence” is true or if the citizen is simply being distracted from other issues which have a much greater significance to the citizens’ lives.
4. … “the ends justify the means”. This means it does not matter how unethical or illegal are the tactics, as long as the Progressives are successful.
5. …”never let a crisis go to waste”. This means take advantage of an existing crisis or create a crisis, and then swoop in and present a pre-planned solution which coincidentally moves the country/globe a bit further down the path towards control of the globe by the elite and the loss of liberty for the citizens.

If one is paying any attention to Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign, one should easily recognize these strategies have been used over and over again. That is because Hillary is a self-proclaimed Progressive.

The Democrat Party of today is nothing like the Democrat Party of 30 years ago because today’s Democrat Party has been replaced by the Progressive Party. This explains why today’s so-called Democrat Party uses Progressive/Saul Alinsky tactics and works in lock-step with Progressive Hillary Clinton in all matters. However, in an effort to “control the message” the Progressives have chosen to NOT come out of the closet and make the official announcement that the Democratic Party is dead. The Progressives have conned the American public using a bait and switch tactic. When is today’s Democrat Party going to come clean and officially re-label themselves the “Progressive Party” so the average citizen is made aware of this and can rethink what this “new” party stands for?

You must know what a party stands for. You cannot cast your vote on whether you “like” the candidate. You are not inviting him/her to dinner. You can dislike a candidate because you do not like the principles upon which he/she will be building their policies. That said do YOU know what the “Progressive Party” stands for? Or do you just have some fuzzy, feel-good sense that their policies seem “nice”? Not good enough. If Hillary Clinton is elected, you will be exposed to a rapid acceleration of Progressive policies in America."

So take note...Cynthia McKinney wouldn't be endorsing Robert David Steele unless he was a Progressive!!

[Lost N Found]

Well lets see now, We have the Demorats and the Republicraps. So one coin with D on one Side and R on the other. So to obfuscate, The Dems have now become the Progressives and the Repubs are actually morphing into the Fascist party when you look deeper. So the Dems, socialists, communists, Progressives occupy the bloody house and are struggling to regain their control of the coin, While the Nazi fascist party does have control but just loves the progressive because they are all one in the same anyway. So they have control of the coin at this moment. Along comes Robert Steele and former progressive Cynthia McKenny who is endorsing the Ex-CIA man Who by the way does talk about Progressiveness and even calls the shill with the orange hair a progressive.

So what is missing but is truly in play is the Communist Manifesto which is disguised within Saul Alinski crap and the Progressive manifesto. Oh crap, heard Robert Steele talk about he and Cynthia's Manifesto. He has been talking about that and you can hear him say it if you care to listen to his rhetoric on the interviews.

Well we had the Clintons through the ninties and all of their BS and yes it was pure progressive/communistic stuff. Then we get the Nazi fascist party taking control in 2001 with a complete new Pearl Harbor false flag and something called the Patriot Act which by the way if anyone cares to read and compare is almost verbatim word for word of the nationalist Nazi document put into place by Hitler quickly after the Reichstag's destruction by the Nazi party. See any correlation with this? The man that was put in after Bush boys two terms was planned along time ago and Saul Alinski trained him. Progressive? The entire Sodom and Gomorrah scene was brought into play and now people don't know which restroom to use.

Robert has been thrown into this game to make the 27 percent that accidentally voted for trump feel better as the shill turns his back on them. I keep hearing from Him and others that they have not completely dumped the orange hair yet but it is getting closer now and IMPEACHMENT OR RESIGNATION OR ASSASSINATION in on every body's lips now. Robert is saying that he and progressives (Cynthia) have filed their own party and are moving forward. (WE THE PEOPLE) ha ha ha. Show me the following. So far all we get is Robert continuing to tell the same o same o on any show he can get to talk on.

I seem to go off on this but I have always been a rebel when it comes to government and someone saying they can change it. My big first experience of the lies and really sick crap was Vietnam and guess I never got over what I learned with all of that. Enough said and Thank you all for being here and just being open.

Steven

[DNA]

One more thing....Cynthia McKinney too is a 'Progressive' regardless of past 'performances'. How do I know? This is how you do it....google her name...go to her wikipedia page here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney

Note: a vote for a Democrat is a vote for the Progressive movement as the party has long been taken over!

I judge an individual by their actions not their party affiliation.
For the most part you are correct in your statements about Democrats, but the same thing can be stated for the Republican party as well.
Do you think John McCain and or Lindsey Graham are any better than Hillary Clinton?
Remember it was the Neo-Cons who destroyed the Twin Towers and started the war with Iraq, Obama simply was following orders from these same Neo-Cons making him a Demo-Con.
I have hope for Trump not because he is a Republican but because he is not a life long politician.
It is not a leap to say ALL POLITICANS are corrupted.
But if there are those who show by their deeds that they are not part of the deep state then I think we should applaud them regardless of what party they have let represent them.
For instance congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii looks promising.
Again, judge a person by their actions not your own prejudice.


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The same goes for Robert David Steele.
Very few people know what they are getting into when they get into politics, save faith that some may not partake in the indoctrination and ritual that is so often the case in regards to the majority.
Robert David Steele has been very damning of the CIA and he has exposed their modus operandi very well in my opinion.
Robert David Steele's actions serve as how to judge this man and from what I can see he is very admirable and is working diligently to fight for this country.
Damning the man for having been a member of the CIA is no way to court others like him who wish to condemn the "The Company" they worked for and in turn enlighten us all to what is really going on.
There is no more important whistleblower than someone who is willing to risk it all in defense of his country.
I personally feel that Robert David Steele is attempting this right now and I for one support him.

[we-R-one]

I judge an individual by their actions not their party affiliation.
For the most part you are correct in your statements about Democrats, but the same thing can be stated for the Republican party as well.
Do you think John McCain and or Lindsey Graham are any better than Hillary Clinton?
Remember it was the Neo-Cons who destroyed the Twin Towers and started the war with Iraq, Obama simply was following orders from these same Neo-Cons making him a Demo-Con.
I have hope for Trump not because he is a Republican but because he is not a life long politician.
It is not a leap to say ALL POLITICANS are corrupted.
But if there are those who show by their deeds that they are not part of the deep state then I think we should applaud them regardless of what party they have let represent them.
For instance congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii looks promising.
Again, judge a person by their actions not your own prejudice.

Marcus, I’m more than comfortable with my assessment of political candidates. Your logic makes no sense to me. You say, ‘judge a person by their actions not your own prejudice’….I hate to tell you, but aligning with a party is an ‘action’. And for those who research it’s well known that the Democratic party has been completely usurped, therefore if you run under their name your ideas are not your own as in order to garner the party’s backing you have to support their agenda, emphatically. It is the ‘actions’ of the people being discussed on this thread which are influencing my viewpoint and I’ve clearly laid out. McKinney whom you brought up has taken the ‘action’ to align herself with the Democratic Party pre-2007 according to her Wikipedia page. She then moved onto the Green Party which appears to be her current choice of ‘action’. Last time I checked a person who’s taken ‘the action’ to align with a party for many years especially the Democratic and Green Party are making a statement to their constituents that they believe in the party’s platform. The ‘choice’ is an ‘action’.

I stand by my statement…under the current climate…I don’t care who they are….if you vote for a Democrat you are most definitely voting for Agenda 21, you are voting in favor of the Progressive Movement because that is what the Democratic Party and Green Party supports which by the way is an ‘action’.

FWIW if you go to McKinney’s Wikipedia page(who you threw into the conversation due to her support of Steele) please note this statement:

“According to the Anti Defamation League, McKinney's use of the New Black Panther Party as security, given that organization's use of antisemitic and racist invective, and her failure to distance herself from that group, are "troubling."[37] Georgia political analyst Bill Shipp addressed McKinney's defeat saying: "voters sent a message: 'We're tired of these over-the-top congressmen dealing in great international and national interests. How about somebody looking out for our interests?' "

So here’s an ‘action’ that’s concerning. Did you know the New Black Panther Party is a known hate group? Did you know some of their members support The Nation of Islam including their past leader? Loud and clear, McKinney’s ‘actions’ to use this radical group makes a statement about her choices and what she supports and sorry but I don’t see anything ‘amazing’ about her. Her ‘performance’ of chewing out Rumsfield is nothing new on ‘the hill’. How many times have we seen this 'act' by congress members? Nothing ever comes of it…which is why I call it a ‘performance’.

Robert David Steele’s ‘actions’ by what he has stated in the audio I posted, says to me he supports the Progressive Movement which fully supports Agenda 21 and the continued enslavement of humanity.

The topic of this thread isn’t about John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Tulsi Gabbard or Hillary Clinton. Yes the Republican party has major issues, I’m very well aware. You have to vet each individual on their choices and ‘actions’…Notice that’s plural?

I never said anything about Trump, I didn’t even bring him up as again, that’s not what this thread is about. I actually like him and am quite encouraged based on this current ‘actions’. However I am well aware of some of the ‘globalist’ ideologies serving on his team which I don’t like and find concerning. I still remain hopeful and feel he truly does care about the people of this country based on both his current and past ‘actions’. He won't be perfect, but who can be? Thank god he doesn't appear to support Progressive ideologies.


“Very few people know what they are getting into when they get into politics,”

Ya…that is very clear to me, lol.


“Robert David Steele has been very damning of the CIA and he has exposed their modus operandi very well in my opinion. Robert David Steele's actions serve as how to judge this man and from what I can see he is very admirable and is working diligently to fight for this country. “

Yes, and it is his ‘actions’ which concern me and I’ve clearly stated in my above post why!


Damning the man for having been a member of the CIA is no way to court others like him who wish to condemn the "The Company" they worked for and in turn enlighten us all to what is really going on. There is no more important whistleblower than someone who is willing to risk it all in defense of his country. I personally feel that Robert David Steele is attempting this right now and I for one support him.”

You might want to read what Bill Ryan says about whistleblowers….If he was a true ‘whistleblower’ he’d be dead. I’m sorry, but there’s a ‘sucker’ born every day. One of the strategies used by progressives is telling you what you want to hear and then doing the opposite. They even go as far as naming organizations with words that make you feel warm and fuzzy so you ‘believe’ when it’s the opposite of what they’re doing!!! Oldest trick in the book….How many times have we seen this? Like a broken record over and over again and yet people continue to fall for it. Like I said, once CIA always CIA, said by a forum member who openly admitted he was ‘best friends’ with a former CIA director, so that should tell you something.

“Definition of insanity…doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Again: Cynthia McKinney wouldn't be endorsing Robert David Steele unless he was a Progressive!!

I don’t support the Progressive Movement, I don’t support Agenda 21, and the CIA has major integrity problems, which is why I won’t support former/current CIA employees. I am more than comfortable with my decision.

I highly recommend deeper research and then maybe you can better understand my stance.

EDIT TO ADD: Under the current climate, what concerns me about this endeavor UNRIG is the people involved seem to support the Progressive stance.

They 'demand':
"No later than 7 November 2017, that the President of the United States of America and the Congress of the United States, shall introduce and then pass the Election Reform Act of 2017"

or else: "If the U.S. Government fails to enact the Election Reform Act of 2017 by 7 November 2017, a nationwide General Strike will be called, and We the People will immediately begin to work toward the impeachment, recall, and/or public disenfranchisement of each Senator and each Representative failing to support the passage of the Election Reform Act."

So are they gonna sick the McKinney's New Black Panther Party security on those who don't sign up? They've already written Trump off and he's not even halfway into his term! They post images of people under the title Notional Coalition, who I don't think have even endorsed their cause, it looks misleading if you don't scrutinize carefully. So once they 'reel' people into their cause, will they then push their 'progressive' stance? Currently this screams 'Psyop' to me and I have a hard time following a person who proclaims 'integrity' when he served under a corrupt organization for over 10yrs. known as the CIA.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Well lets see now, We have the Demorats and the Republicraps. So one coin with D on one Side and R on the other. So to obfuscate, The Dems have now become the Progressives and the Repubs are actually morphing into the Fascist party when you look deeper.

"when you look deeper" -- can you give examples?

What I see is a lot of dismantling of the executive branch internally, Congress meddling into the domain of the executive branch (ie foreign affairs), Congress also rightfully asserting its sole authority to declare war, and the super liberal federal court district on the West Coast blocking Trump's constitutional right to restrict the immigration of any group of people he wants, as clearly stated in the constitution itself.

Fascism is a form of authoritarianism. When the power of the executive branch is being weakened politically, that's moving in the opposite direction.

You also have to distinguish populists/anti-globalists, ie the loyal Trump mob from the campaign season, from the old Bush neo-cons which are unfortunately still influential in various executive departments and also in Congress.

The Bush admin was moving in a fascist direction and assuming tons of power it was actually constitutionally forbidden from having. Obama just expanded all of those abuses. All of the anti-Trump resistance and interest in making the president follow the law all of a sudden puts a lot of that stuff back in check, at least where executive orders with clear precedent or actual legislation doesn't complicate things.

[DNA]

Marcus, I’m more than comfortable with my assessment of political candidates. Your logic makes no sense to me.
Judging a person based on their actions and not their party makes no sense to you?
Probably because you already have your mind made up pushing a meme.
I started doing a quote by quote response to you, but I've erased it.
Much simpler to state I don't agree with your simplification of the situation.

[we-R-one]

It's not a meme Marcus, it's what the research shows and if you did the research, you'd see why I have the point of view I do. I'm basing my decisions on their 'actions', which I clearly stated and you are unable to see.

[DNA]

It's not a meme Marcus, it's what the research shows and if you did the research, you'd see why I have the point of view I do. I'm basing my decisions on their 'actions', which I clearly stated and you are unable to see.


We probably agree far more than we disagree. I started this thread last year Dr. John Coleman is who I thought Jordan Maxwell would be (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89738-Dr.-John-Coleman-is-who-I-thought-Jordan-Maxwell-would-be)
As far as I'm concerned Coleman laid out what the globalist plans were way back in 1993 with his book "The committee of 300" and stated very accurately that it would be the democratic party that would be used to destroy the American middle class as this was one of the main road blocks to the elite's desire for a one world government.
Coleman has been right on the money as far as I'm concerned.
But that being said I do believe you should accept an ally regardless of personal prejudices when that ally has confirmed through their actions that they see the truth and are working diligently to fight this attempt at a one world government.

[Franny]

I judge an individual by their actions not their party affiliation.
For the most part you are correct in your statements about Democrats, but the same thing can be stated for the Republican party as well.
Do you think John McCain and or Lindsey Graham are any better than Hillary Clinton?
Remember it was the Neo-Cons who destroyed the Twin Towers and started the war with Iraq, Obama simply was following orders from these same Neo-Cons making him a Demo-Con.
I have hope for Trump not because he is a Republican but because he is not a life long politician.
It is not a leap to say ALL POLITICANS are corrupted.
But if there are those who show by their deeds that they are not part of the deep state then I think we should applaud them regardless of what party they have let represent them.
For instance congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii looks promising.
Again, judge a person by their actions not your own prejudice.

I tend to agree and find that continually disparaging the 'other' party is demonstrative of people failing to recognize the social engineering of divide and rule. We need to put aside our petty differences and focus on who and where the real problems are, the so-called deep state.

Both parties are corrupt, particularly amongst the leadership and long-term members. One party is not better than the other when both are rotten to the core.

Maybe it's time to eliminate these parties and move forward to something that works. What that may be, I can't say but there are many creative people that have solutions to offer.

[Praxis]

Most of this discussion is a discussion exchanging memes that have little to no value.


The second i see someone deploy the memes of libtard, progressive, cuck, conservative, liberal, alt right, etc. I immediately stop reading and move on. Most of you probably cant even articulate what exactly each of those terms means. Did you know that most of you, especially americans, probably would meet the classical definition of liberal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

Now I know you got triggered by gender equality but it was really that men and women are equal in status( not what the modern conversation about gender identity is).

If you dont consider yourself that, then what are you. Say what you are for, stop talking about what you are against.

This thread is great a example of why I dont really engage you people in any sort of political discussion. It is never really constructive at all. One thing you can say about Robert, at least he is saying what he is for instead of just bitching about research he has done and how others need to do it.

[we-R-one]

I tend to agree and find that continually disparaging the 'other' party is demonstrative of people failing to recognize the social engineering of divide and rule. We need to put aside our petty differences and focus on who and where the real problems are, the so-called deep state.

Both parties are corrupt, particularly amongst the leadership and long-term members. One party is not better than the other when both are rotten to the core.

This is beyond divide and rule and it’s not about petty differences. It’s no secret both parties are corrupt….History shows the Progressive movement is the problem based on the actions of those who implement it. It is part of the deep state and history shows it began in the Democratic party. It is a ‘real’ problem. If you are unaware why, you have some reading to do in order to understand, I’ve provided links in my posts. It has nothing to do with one party being better than the other, I’m waaay beyond that mentality.


Say what you are for, stop talking about what you are against.

That's not what this thread is about and takes one off topic! The thread is about Robert David Steele. And I'm quite comfortable with how I express myself thank you.


This thread is great a example of why I dont really engage you people in any sort of political discussion. It is never really constructive at all. One thing you can say about Robert, at least he is saying what he is for instead of just bitching about research he has done and how others need to do it.

In regards to your comment about memes, the Progressives aren't a meme; research, it's very clear and well documented. I'm sure Robert has researched himself before putting together his project in order to stay properly aligned with the Progressive stance. Look at all the references to himself on his website.

You can make fun of my researching, but if one doesn’t understand the problem how can you fix it? The problem I see is most people don’t read or research, but rather ‘follow the leader’ and they have no idea what they’re signing up for as they have no idea what some of these people stand for or promote. The average person isn’t informed and honestly it’s why I don’t like to participating in threads like this because it’s clear some seem incapable of doing the proper homework and/or are unable to process information in order to recognize when they’re being duped.

I’ve done more than my fair share to help fix the problem, so stop the nasty talk and assumption that you know my level of participation by accusing me of only ‘bitching’. Point in case, I’m the founder of one of my states largest patriot groups. I spent over 2 years running groups looking for 'solutions'. I was also the founder and state chapter leader of the national movement called GOOOH-Get Out Of Our House, a plan that took the special interest money out of the election process. My state had one of the fastest growing memberships in the country. I busted my a$$ off for FREE for 2 years. It was nothing for me to have to field 400+ emails a day between my job and volunteer work, do radio shows, rallies and run practice GOOOH sessions; so please save your preaching and negative comments for someone else if if makes you feel better to ridicule people for trying to show others how to educate themselves so they can make wiser choices.

How many programs do you know of and/or have participated in that have actually gone national? It’s not an easy feat. My picture is included in the video below about the 48sec mark when I first introduced the program to my state in front of about 5,000 people. Millions of $$ were pumped into the success of this movement which few can spare and what is needed to accomplish a project encompassing the entire country. I have the utmost respect for founder Tim Cox and all those who worked closely together to promote the concept and make a difference.

FOX AND FRIENDS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3xIeOMAWPk&t=48s


Robert David Steele and Cynthia McKinney are Progressives based on their 'choices', own words and 'actions' and 'Progressives' support THE UNITED NATIONS AGENDA 21 policies and procedures.

”UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.----Rosa Koire”
SOURCE: http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

And no, Agenda 21 isn't a meme either. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was signed up in 1992 at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro by President Bush. It was then further reinforced via Executive Order 12852 via President Bill Clinton which established the Presidential Council on Sustainable Development. The PCSD included all federal agencies for the purpose of implementing the plan in every city and state across the country...all done without formal congressional approval.

The above is what Progressives promote and support and in order to stop it, you must understand how it all began and how it’s currently being executed.

[Lost N Found]

Thank you very much we-R-one. You speak with clarity and knowledge. I hear Robert David Steele talk about Sustainable Development and in fact I have heard most of the politicians from the local level to the Federal level talk about this crap. I say crap because I too have studied and know about the AGENDA 21 and all of these governments and minions are pushing toward it. Robert and Cynthia are pushing that same thing. People may not be listening to their rhetoric in that respect but it definitely throws a big red flag in my face when I hear them or anyone talk about it. I worked for many years in the code enforcement area for the government. Building departments to be more precise and I saw that AGENDA 21 being brought into play through building codes and Planning and Zoning departments and it seems so benign to the greater majority. The UN has pushed it as you say since 1992 and if you care to go back further when the first planning and zoning departments started showing up in this country was the sustainable development started getting its foothold into our private property and lives.

So to say Good old Robert and his crew are walking through the back door as we speak and really pushing this stuff. Ya I hear the rhetoric of how he thinks we should kick the UN out and I read his 8 points to make the Donald the greatest president this country has ever seen but it all is just more lies and fries when one digs deeper into the speeches. I have even seen the talk of him and his group starting some sort of perhaps violent takeover in the fall. Not completely sure of that at this point but sure am keeping an eye open.

The GOOOH thing is great and we all should move together to get rid of the Wall Street bankers(lobbyists) and the corporations that control DC. Thank you for doing that.

If you all want to know more about how the sneak thief's are deviously bringing their agenda into play just Google "The International Building Codes" and all their family of books that are being continuously adopted and enforced across this world.

As for your post 9ofclubs, I would think you might want to do more research and reading before you put your foot in the mouth. Do have to say this
Your free speech is a right that has been fought for you weather you know it or not. If you really do not like that perhaps you could go to another place were that does not exist. Nuf said

[we-R-one]

Thanks Steven I appreciate the acknowledgment. I wish we could have gone further with GOOOH, but after 10 years, the money dried out and of course the fake media would never let us go prime time and we just couldn’t take it to the next level.


“I hear Robert David Steele talk about Sustainable Development and in fact I have heard most of the politicians from the local level to the Federal level talk about this crap.”

Precisely what the ‘Progressives’ support, which is why it’s so important to understand what a Progressive is and the platform they promote. IF one doesn’t know, they can’t properly identify individuals who believe and pursue this ideology and is reflected within the AGENDA 21 aka FUTURE EARTH aka AGENDA 2030 or whatever ‘they’ want to call its blueprint. The Progressive Movement is ‘deep state’. I believe I remember seeing Robert David Steel mention Sustainable Development in one of his many charts on his website. As you probably already know, the reason you hear of it so often amongst the politicians on various levels of government is because it’s already well established within our systems which was the point of the creation of the Presidential Council on Sustainable Development Committee.


“So to say Good old Robert and his crew are walking through the back door as we speak and really pushing this stuff. Ya I hear the rhetoric of how he thinks we should kick the UN out and I read his 8 points to make the Donald the greatest president this country has ever seen but it all is just more lies and fries when one digs deeper into the speeches.”

Exactly why I fear this whole charade might be a PSYOP. They tell ya what you want to hear and meanwhile there’s a back door agenda behind all their fancy charts and words of wisdom. It’s very decisive, conniving, and manipulative. It is a methodology used over and over again layered in psychological sophistication in order to reel in the sheeple…I can no longer trust what these people say.

http://www.military.com/ContentFiles/techtv_update_PSYOPS.htm
PSYOPS or Psychological Operations: Planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator's objectives. Also called PSYOP. See also consolidation psychological operations; overt peacetime psychological operations programs; perception management. (Source: U.S. Department of Defense)

Taking a closer look at the ‘Deep State’ since Latte brought it up, as it’s an integral part of the Progressive Movement and funny thing RDS does mention the problem within his work:

Deep State defined:

A body of people, typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.

“the deep state and its policy of allowing extremist ideologies to flourish may be the actual issues of concern”
Source: http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/02/17/what-is-the-deep-state/




The Deep State at work:
President Eisenhower warned us. He called the “Deep State” at work the “military-industrial complex.”
Source: http://finalwakeupcall.info/en/2017/05/10/the-deep-state/

Notice how I used the definition of PSYOP from the military’s website? Continuing from the same website link directly above:

“This shadowy secret government whose ultimate goal is the implementation of the so-called New World Order, is pulling the strings on the world’s puppet-heads of state and captains of industry. The term Deep State has recently gained traction, in addition to the use of terms like; shadow government, cabal, Rothschild Khazarian Mafia, The Powers That Be, the Luciferians, Illuminati, Elite; all referencing the same group of hidden Luciferian Satanists that detest and rob people. – The Deep State is an unelected insider-government within in the government.”

Notice the underlined? And who also promotes the New World Order concept? THE UNITED NATIONS…And what did I show you that Executive Order 12852 accomplished within THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? A means to force the AGENDA 21 blueprint upon our country minus Congressional approval which is how this ‘unelected insider-government’ infiltrated our government. The fabricated wars are how they make their money,,,,oh and just wait, you watch, they will likely re-create the entire process in deep space by beating the Alien invasion drum using the same methodologies, enter Tom DeLonge, cough, cough. ‘It’s a matter of ‘national security’….says ex-Blink 182 band member DeLonge,…..but it will take me 7 books to explain it to you! Lol…..ok I’m getting side-tracked.

For me it’s not a stretch to think Robert David Steele and Cynthia McKinney are nothing more than puppet masters for the greater cause of deception being perpetrated onto the people through their actions and seemingly support of the Progressive ‘Deep State’ machine. Anyone even bother checking out the UNRIG.COM website yet? Do you even ‘get’ half the charts posted throughout the site? If you look at the link I provided earlier in this thread….

http://www.agenda21course.com/november-2016-agenda21course-com-newsletter/#more-1928 ......scroll down till you get to ‘What are the Tenets of Progressivism’ and you maybe be lucky enough to find examples of such throughout their proposals. Here’s an example:

8…believes in turning power over to multinational organizations like the League of Nations in the last century, and now the United Nations.
This requires the United States to give up its sovereignty, become subservient to foreign control, and lose control of our destiny.

If you go to Robert David Steele’s website, the reinforcement of the above statement can be found throughout this PDF : http://robertdavidsteele.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/For-UN-SecGen-Achieving-SDG-with-OSEE.pdf

“The United Nations (UN) could lead and incentivize the achievement of the Sustainable Development Goals (SDF) by and across the five billion poorest in a fraction of the time at a fraction of the cost if it would embrace the combination of holistic analytics, true cost economics, and Open Source Everything Engineering(OSEE).”

“…The above ideas have been under development for over a quarter century by diversity of pioneers lacking one thing to go global: UN leadership and the publicity that comes with a blessing from the UN leadership.”


The UNITED NATIONS clearly doesn’t have their spiritual house in order, so encouraging their ‘leadership’ and ‘blessing’ is not something I’d be endorsing.


“I have even seen the talk of him and his group starting some sort of perhaps violent takeover in the fall. Not completely sure of that at this point but sure am keeping an eye open.”

I haven’t heard this myself, however I’m not surprised as this mentality fits into Cynthia McKinney’s use of The New Black Panther Party revealed on her Wikipedia page. And it’s exactly how ‘Progressives’ perceive/believe they should behave when they don’t get their way! One has to ask, if anyone falls out of line, will they hire these thugs to kick you’re a$$ into alignment?….But hey on the seven graphic overview chart on the UNRIG website it clearly says ‘Love Not War’ and oh by the way, ‘Apply the Golden Rule, we cannot win with guns’. Is this implying we should all cough ‘em up and abandon our 2nd Amendment Rights?

How’s the inability to defend oneself and your families working for you fellow U.K. forum members? For your own safety, please don’t respond….as your every word is currently under surveillance due to the current High Alert status being imposed on the people thanks to the soft policies and open door environment for the ‘religion of peace’ fanatics created by your government who cares about you. In all sincerity...I'm sympathetic to your situation.

Adding further to my concerns is McKinney’s acceptance of Arab and Muslim donations. Anyone else see a problem with this? List here:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/07/cynthia-mckinneys-arab-and-islamist-donors

“Such an outpouring of extremist support comes as no shock; as Erick Stakelbeck documents in today's New York Post, "McKinney has long associated with militant Islamic groups whose members have openly supported terrorism," plus "she has taken to the floor of the House to defend them."

How can anyone comfortably ‘follow’ this woman? It was said on her Wikipedia page that even her constituents lost faith in her leadership abilities due to her unwavering support of international affairs over local interest.


Yes, I do understand some type of reform to our system is needed, but the last people I want messing with any kind of changes are the likes of the ‘Progressives’ who are responsible for the demise of this country by allowing ‘Deep State’ intrusions to slowly whittle away our sovereign rights.

[Lost N Found]

I would like to follow up with information that I talked about in the post above about agenda 21 and the international codes. As I said above I worked for the gov'ment jurisdictions in these fields and I have read these codes front to back. Robert David Steele has talked about Sustainable Development and hopefully most of you in here on this thread will go and listen to his rhetoric on the videos and perhaps read his articles because they are alluding to this very same thing as Agenda 21. Just pay attention to his words and do your own verifying. So here are two articles about the codes and agenda 21 and I will try to give you a PDF of Robert Steeles sustainable Development.

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Anyone who reads Chapter 7 of Agenda 21 and then reads his local comprehensive land-use plan will immediately recognize that most of the provisions of the local land-use plan come directly from Agenda 21. More often than not, the elected officials who adopt these plans have never read Agenda 21, and many have never even heard of the U.N. document, signed by President George H.W. Bush in 1992.
The facilitators and professional planners have heard about Agenda 21, but frequently claim that the plan they are working on has nothing to do with the U.N. or Agenda 21. Don’t believe it for one minute.
Gary Lawrence, former director of the Center for Sustainable Communities at the University of Washington, and chief planner for the city of Seattle, told an audience in London:
In the case of the U.S., our local authorities are engaged in planning processes consistent with LA21 [Local Agenda 21], but there is little interest in using the LA21 brand. … So, we call our processes something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management or smart growth.
In community after community, the same scenario is repeated. The federal government, through the EPA or the Department of Commerce or the Department of Interior, offers special grants to communities for the purpose of developing a vision for a greener future and a plan to convert the vision into reality.
Typically, the local government will find a private consultant to “facilitate” the process. The facilitator will identify a local “steering committee,” carefully chosen from people who represent various segments of the community, all of whom are known in advance to be sympathetic to the goals of Agenda 21.
Typically, the advisory group will meet in private to lay out the framework for the process and the goals for the finished product. When this is achieved, public meetings are scheduled to give the appearance of public input and ownership. Rarely are these meetings ever publicized adequately to attract the private-property owners who are most directly affected. Care is taken to see that members of local environmental organizations and social-justice organizations constitute the majority of attendees.
These public meetings are said to be “the visioning process.” The procedures vary slightly from community to community, depending upon the facilitator. Remarkably, however, the “vision” in every community contains essentially the same elements: restricted auto traffic; bike trails; walkable neighborhoods; integrated housing; high-density urban boundary zones; conservation areas; green belts; and much more – directly from Agenda 21.
Once the vision document is complete, the next step is to convert it into a comprehensive land-use plan, adopted by local elected officials in the form of an ordinance that is enforceable with fines and other penalties. The plans are necessarily so long and complex that few people ever read them, other than the professional planners and enforcement officials. Many, if not most, of these comprehensive plans incorporate many, if not most, of the codes developed by the International Codes Council. Here are some of the codes:
International Building Code
International Residential Code
International Fire Code
International Energy Conservation Code
International Private Sewage Disposal Code
International Mechanical Code
International Fuel Gas Code
International Wildland-Urban Interface Code
ICC Performance Code
International Existing Building Code
International Property Maintenance Code
International Zoning Code
International Green Construction Code
Here’s a sample of what to expect. From Chapter 2 of the International Green Construction Code:
CONSERVATION AREA. Land designated by the jurisdiction or by state or federal government, as a result of a community planning process, as appropriate for conservation from development because of the land possessing natural values important to the community including, but not limited to wildlife habitat, forest or other significant vegetation, steep slopes, ground water recharge area, riparian corridor or wetland.
DAYLIGHT SATURATION. The percentage of daytime hours throughout the year when not less than 28 foot-candles (300 lux) of natural light is provided at a height of 30 inches (762 mm) above the floor.
DEMAND RESPONSE, AUTOMATED (AUTO-DR). Fully Automated Demand Response initiated by a signal from a utility or other appropriate entity, providing fully-automated connectivity to customer energy end-use control strategies.
This is a tiny sample of the rules and regulations buried deep within the innocent-sounding comprehensive land-use plans adopted by unaware local officials to achieve the politically correct label of “sustainable community.”
These plans should be rejected, not simply because they arise from the United Nations, but because they infringe personal freedom and private property rights. The implementation of these comprehensive land-use plans effectively transfers to government the right to dictate to individuals what kind of materials must be used in constructing their privately owned homes. The Auto-DR provision defined above actually gives government the right to dictate the temperature in your home, and the ability to enforce it.
This is madness! This is sustainable development! This is Agenda 21!
Local tea parties, 9/12 groups and property-rights organizations must learn about Agenda21 and exactly what their local visioning statements and local comprehensive land-use plans contain. Many groups are forming study committees to analyze their local plans by section and then report back to the entire group. This way, not every individual has to read the entire plan.
If this rush to oblivion is going to be stopped, it is up to private citizens to get informed, get involved and help get into office only those people who truly respect the Constitution and the individual freedom it is supposed to guarantee.


Agenda 21 Is Being Rammed Down The Throats Of Local Communities All Over America
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Have you ever heard of Agenda 21? If not, don’t feel bad, because most Americans haven’t. It is essentially a blueprint for a “sustainable world” that was introduced at the UN Conference on Environment and Development in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in 1992. Since then, it has been adopted by more than 200 countries and it has been modified and updated at other UN environmental summits. The philosophy behind Agenda 21 is that our environmental problems are the number one problem that we are facing, and that those problems are being caused by human activity. Therefore, according to Agenda 21 human activity needs to be tightly monitored, regulated and controlled for the greater good. Individual liberties and freedoms must be sacrificed for the good of the planet. If you are thinking that this sounds like it is exactly the opposite of what our founding fathers intended when they established this nation, you would be on the right track. Those that promote the philosophy underlying Agenda 21 believe that human activity must be “managed” and that letting people make their own decisions is “destructive” and “dangerous”. Sadly, the principles behind Agenda 21 are being rammed down the throats of local communities all over America, and most of the people living in those communities don’t even realize it.
So how is this being done? Well, after Agenda 21 was adopted, an international organization known as the “International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives” (ICLEI) was established to help implement the goals of Agenda 21 in local communities. One thing that they learned very quickly was that the “Agenda 21” label was a red flag for a lot of people. It tended to create quite a bit of opposition on the local level.
As they try to implement their goals, they very rarely use the term “Agenda 21” anymore. Instead, they use much more harmless sounding labels such as “smart growth”, “comprehensive land use planning” and especially “sustainable development”.
So just because something does not carry the Agenda 21 label does not mean that it is not promoting the goals of Agenda 21.
The goals of Agenda 21 are not only being implemented in the United States. This is a massive worldwide effort that is being coordinated by the United Nations. An article that was posted on RedState.com discussed some of the history of Agenda 21…
In simplified terms, Agenda 21 is a master blueprint, or guidelines, for constructing “sustainable” communities. Agenda 21 was put forth by the UN’s Commission on Sustainable Development, and was adopted by over 200 countries (signed into “soft law” by George Bush Sr.) at the United Nations Rio Conference in 1992. In 1994 the President’s Council for Sustainable Development was created via Executive Order by Bill Clinton to begin coordinating efforts at the Federal level to make the US Agenda 21 compliant.
The same year that Bill Clinton established the President’s Council for Sustainable Development, the International Code Council was also created.
The International Code Council has developed a large number of “international codes” which are intended to replace existing building codes all over the United States. The following is a list of these codes from Wikipedia…
• International Building Code
• International Residential Code
• International Fire Code
• International Plumbing Code
• International Mechanical Code
• International Fuel Gas Code
• International Energy Conservation Code
• ICC Performance Code
• International Wildland Urban Interface Code
• International Existing Building Code
• International Property Maintenance Code
• International Private Sewage Disposal Code
• International Zoning Code
• International Green Construction Code
These codes are very long and exceedingly boring, and those that write them know that hardly anyone will ever read them.
And for the most part, they contain a lot of things that are contained in existing building codes or that are common sense.
But a lot of poison has also been inserted into these codes. If you read them carefully, the influence of Agenda 21 is painfully obvious.
Unfortunately, even most of the local politicians that are adopting these codes don’t take the time to read them. Most of them just assume that they are “updating” their existing building codes.
So what often happens is that there will be fights in local communities between citizens that are concerned about the encroachment of Agenda 21 and local politicians who regard such talk as nonsense. The following is an example of what is happening all over the nation…
Summit Hill Borough Council last night unanimously adopted the “2012 edition of the International Property Maintenance Code,” but not before some audience members expressed vehement opposition to it.
An overflow crowd of 34 people attended the meeting, with some there to specifically voice their displeasure.
Sandy Dellicker, a borough resident, said she was against using an “international” maintenance code, arguing that it falls under the plan of Agenda 21 of the United Nations; an agenda for the 21st Century.
She said, “UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all information, all energy, and all human beings in the world.”
“This is not a conspiracy theory,” she told the council. “This is for real.”
She said the International Property Maintenance Code had been adopted in Montgomery County, but the county “has already gotten rid of it” because of its dictatorial direction.
“This is not what Summit Hill and the United States is about,” she said.
Council members pooh-poohed her assessment. “In my opinion, the International Property Maintenance Code is to protect citizens,” said Council President Michael Kokinda.
It would be great if these codes were just about public safety. But that is simply not the case. Sadly, these codes are often used to fine or even imprison homeowners that haven’t done anything wrong. Sometimes “code violations” are even used as justification to legally steal property from law-abiding homeowners. A post on the Freedom Reigns Radio blog detailed some of the things that are often done in the name of “code enforcement”…
1) The ‘Code Official’ – anybody the jurisdiction calls – a ‘Code Official’ – is the sole interpreter – no due process – Gestapo!
2) Every day an offense occurs is a separate mandatory misdemeanor – $555/day and/or a month in jail in Charleston, W.Va. They can fine you out of your home and jail you at their whim!
3) Anything the ‘Code Official’ says is not in good working condition – sticky window, dented or plugged gutter, torn window screen – whatever he says is not in good working order – hundreds of dollars of fines per day and/or jail time – usually a month – for every day the offense occurs.
4) Any unsanitary condition – whatever the ‘Code Official’ says is an ‘unsanitary condition’ – empty pop cans – puddles – dog droppings on your property – same deal – same fines and/or jail time – every day.
5) Any plant that the ‘Code Official’ says is a ‘noxious weed’ – same deal – same fines and/or jail time – every day. He can steal raw land.
6) He can fine you out of your home and jail you with no due process. Any court proceedings are window dressing as there is no remedy associated with this ‘code.’
7) It can be ‘adopted’ – just by an ‘administrative decree.’
WITHOUT COURT ACTION OR NOTICE THE CODE OFFICIAL CAN:
1) Enter your house whenever he – the sole interpreter – deems reasonable.
2) Prevent you from entering your house.
3) Tear your house down with your stuff in it.
4) Bill you for the demolition.
5) Place a lien on it for fines and/or demolition charges – steal it.
6) And ‘best’ of all, no insurance I know of will cover your losses.
You’re left w/a house and your ‘stuff’ in a landfill – and any remaining unpaid mortgage, any remaining fines, any remaining taxes, and any remaining demolition charges after they steal your property
These codes restrict what homeowners can do with their own properties in thousands of different ways. If you rebel against one of the codes, the penalties can be extremely harsh.
And there is often “selective enforcement” of these codes. That means that they will leave most people alone but they will come down really hard on people that they do not like. You could even end up with a SWAT team on your doorstep.
Just ask some of the people who have been through this kind of thing.
Even if you have your mortgage completely paid off, that doesn’t mean that you really “own” your property. If you don’t pay your taxes and obey the “codes”, you could lose your property very rapidly.
The philosophy behind all of this is the same philosophy behind Agenda 21. The elite believe that you cannot be trusted to do the “right thing” with your own property and that your activity must be “managed” for the greater good. They believe that by controlling you and restricting your liberties that they are “saving the planet”.
Unfortunately, you can probably expect this to get a whole lot worse in the years ahead. Our society is shifting from one that cherishes individual liberties and freedoms to one that is fully embracing collectivism. So our politicians will likely be making even more of our decisions for us as the years move forward.
Do any of you out there have any “code violation horror stories” to share? If so, please share them with us by posting a comment below…

[we-R-one]

Ya Agenda 21 is a nightmare isn't it and they've found so many ways to make everyone 'follow' the blueprint it's overwhelming. When I first started researching about it, I was shocked to see how many companies were involved in the takeover...it has to be in the millions when you consider the other countries who've also signed on. Steele's push is very cleverly disguised imo. The Thrive Movement was the same...and look how many people fell for that one. Further research showed heavy 'Progressive' involvement yet few could see.

I became very aware of how Agenda 21 was/is affecting the real estate market as I was once was a Realtor. It was one of several reasons why I got out of the business as I wanted no part in perpetuating the fraud onto the people. I believe California(big surprise...NOT) is already enforcing specific requirements before one can sell there house. At the time I was researching, I thought the direction it was headed suggested close to $40,000 dollars in retrofitting requirements before one could sell their house! What a ruse!

[amor]

Agenda 21 is a RUSE to own, control, imprison and then KILL YOU AND YOURS in the coming Communist Worldwide Takeover in which only 500 million people, or less, will be left alive. This is such an evil plot that people absolutely refuse to believe it and any Meetings with these people are a setup where you are shouted down and forcibly removed by their strong arm hired guards for daring to speak over 3 minutes. You are deemed WRONG to defend yourself or property with a firearm or even an objection. After they have removed all arms from the people, the killing will begin, along with the confiscation of everything your own including your life. Rockefeller should have included the UN Building in his knockdown of the Twins in N.Y.C. I have read that they were behind the Maoist Regime, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc., and their murders of millions of human beings. Now it is time to do the same thing to the Entire World.

[norman]

OR


Nasa is forced to deny outrageous conspiracy theory that it is running a child slave colony on Mars after wild claims are made by ex-CIA officer



Ex-CIA officer Robert David Steele made the comments on The Alex Jones Show
He claimed that children have been secretly shipped to Mars to work as slaves
In response, a Nasa spokesman said that 'there are no humans on Mars'
Earlier this week, Nasa was forced to deny that it was soon to announce the discovery of alien life

By Harry Pettit For Mailonline (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Harry+Pettit+For+Mailonline)
Raising the profile of the Corey Goode story to a wider audience by drawing their attention to Youtube videos with "Mars Colonies" in the title or blurb.

But that would be a conspiracy theory and we don't want to go there, do we.





Mod edit from Bill: to explain a little more clearly to readers what this thread is about, I re-timestamped this from norman to make this the opening post.

[Tyy1907]

Since when does NASA give two f@$/'s what is said on the Alex Jones show? Maybe there was enough of a reaction damage control was needed?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4654288/Nasa-denies-running-child-slave-colony-Mars.html

[Innocent Warrior]

Well it was likely more the ex-CIA officer bit that provoked the damage control, even if so, strange of them to do so.

[Hughe]

f9cgm1B7Rew

Robert David Steele's blog post
Ben Collins: NASA Denies It Kidnaps Children for 20-Year+ Missions to Mars
http://phibetaiota.net/2017/07/ben-collins-nasa-denies-it-kidnaps-children-for-20-year-missions-to-mars/

[PurpleLama]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

[Tintin]

NASA's denial is a part of the usual 'snow job' on their part through the usual route of a pliant (and controlled) media - RDS has made them a little jittery and RDS's claim bears little relation, in my view, to anything to do with the Corey Goode circus. Some careful consideration should be given to what he has to say after viewing this little gem from Bill and Kerry back in 2009:

SHADOW OPERATIONS: THE MARS PROJECT

https://youtube.com/watch?v=slQD0rUqbGo

I would credit RDS with some reliability around his statement. There is a portion in The Mars Project where Bill asks a question around why ever would the CIA be involved, and it is confirmed by a source in this film that it, NASA, in conjunction with the CIA, amongst other things, has always (sic) been about information gathering. If I have remembered the thrust of that portion correctly then the inference is it would seem that the CIA are probably the central repository for all off-planet discoveries/activities. Add the appalling phenomena of child disappearances on a frightening scale and it may not be too difficult to draw the conclusion that this is not out and out fabrication from RDS.

If anyone out there hasn't seen this film then I'd suggest you pop in and have a look; 45 minutes of gold here.

[norman]

The little kiddies ( now a little older ) have already been primed, too.

This has been in the works since the 60s, I'm outraged by the stealthy plot.


Mars Needs Moms - Full Movie - Released 11 March 2011 in USA

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From Disney and Academy Award® winner Robert Zemeckis (Best Director) comes the craziest adventure this side of the galaxy - Mars Needs Moms.

Take out the trash, eat your broccoli - who needs moms anyway?

Nine-year-old Milo (Seth Green) finds out how much he needs his mom (Joan Cusack) when she's nabbed by Martians who plan to steal her mom-ness for their own young.

In a race against time and oxygen, his quest to save her knows no bounds. And with some unexpected help, Milo just might find his way back to her in more ways than one.

It's a thrilling journey that's pure, out-of-this-world crazy fun.The Independence Day/Project Bluebeam thing was a diversion. Even if they once had that intention they surely abandoned it when public domain technology flourished as it did from the 90s onwards.

"Independence Day" was released in 1996. I think we can assume that by then they had a better plan.

[norman]

Of course, Michael Salla is on it like a rat up a drain pipe.


Slave Colony on Mars Claim goes Mainstream

Written by Dr Michael Salla (http://exopolitics.org/author/dr-michael-salla/) on July 2, 2017. Posted in Featured (http://exopolitics.org/category/featured/), Space Programs (http://exopolitics.org/category/spaceprograms/)

(http://exopolitics.org/category/spaceprograms/)
On June 29, Alex Jones, host of Inforwars.com, interviewed Robert David Steele (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9cgm1B7Rew), a former U.S. Marine Corps and CIA clandestine services official, who volunteered insider information about secret events on Mars. Steel told Jones about a slave colony on Mars, and the existence of “20 years and out” space program which involves children.
Steele’s comments were covered in a number of mainstream news sources including Britain’s Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4654288/Nasa-denies-running-child-slave-colony-Mars.html) and the Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/nasa-denies-that-its-running-a-child-slave-colony-on-mars), both of which downplayed his comments as mere conspiracy theory.


Steele reached the rank of Major (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_David_Steele) for the USMC Reserves, Intelligence, from 1976 to 1996, and during this period also worked with the CIA clandestine services (1979-1988). During his interview with Jones, Steele said:


This may strike your listeners as way out, but we actually believe that there is a colony on Mars. It is populated by children who were kidnapped and sent into space on a 20-year ride. So that once they get to Mars they have no alternative but to be slaves on the Mars colony. There’s all types of disclosures coming out.
Jones appeared supportive (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9cgm1B7Rew) of what Steele was suggesting:


Look, I know that 90 per cent of the Nasa missions are secret and I’ve been told by high level Nasa engineers that you have no idea. There is so much stuff going on, but then it goes off into all that. I know this, we see a bunch of mechanical wreckage on Mars, and people say it looks like mechanics and they say, oh you’re a bunch of conspiracy theorists. Clearly, they don’t want us looking into what is happening’ because ‘every time probes go over they turn them off.


continued here . . . . .

(http://exopolitics.org/slave-colony-on-mars-claim-goes-mainstream)http://exopolitics.org/slave-colony-on-mars-claim-goes-mainstream

[ghostrider]

I remember when Nasa announced the retirement of the space shuttles, right then I knew they were up to no good ... They developed new ways to travel in space that made the shuttle obsolete ... Secondly, children have gone missing never to be seen again since 1975, and slowly they quit putting their pictures on the back of milk cartons , which told me the agenda/program of what the ptb is doing was ramped up ...

[Louis Sullivan]

I watched the Robert David Steele video when it first came out. He started out by talking about paedophilia and satanism with the elites/tptb. Let me posit a bold theory here. Could the paedophilia be disinformation? Allow me to explain. What would an unenlightened layman be more likely to believe. That tptb are keeping the monolithic conspiracy going through blackmail by way of paedophilia? Or that tptb are kidnapping children for slave labor/population of a mars colony? Dont get me wrong both are entitely plausible realities but if I'm Joe Everyman, I'm much more likely to believe the pedo theory than the mars theory.

Which leads me to my overarching point; I think the disinformation campaign being run by tptb is wayyyyyyyy more sophisticated and complex than us avalonians can even begin to concieve. This statement is not empirical in any way shape or form just a thought from an information junkie who increasingly is beginning to think that the lies and obstruction of the truth go much deeper than we believe.

It was this site that made me question Alex Jones as possible controlled opposition/disinformation agent after all. And as far as Robert David Steele.... any "former" agent of the CIA, NASA, FBI etc. etc. is not to be trusted as a purveyor of truth in my opinion or should at least be taken extremely skeptically. I'm of the "once a part of the cabal always a part of the cabal" ilk and I cant think of better disinfo agents than "former" members of these agencies....

[Foxie Loxie]

The sad thing is, Louis, you might be correct in your postulating! :facepalm:

[neutronstar]

It was this site that made me question Alex Jones as possible controlled opposition/disinformation agent after all. And as far as Robert David Steele.... any "former" agent of the CIA, NASA, FBI etc. etc. is not to be trusted as a purveyor of truth in my opinion or should at least be taken extremely skeptically. I'm of the "once a part of the cabal always a part of the cabal" ilk and I cant think of better disinfo agents than "former" members of these agencies....

Not everyone in Government agencies are part of the "cabal". Most are just as clueless as the average person. They do their jobs and for the most part are good people.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

My thoughts exactly.

Steele is like the next Corey Goode in his own way.

Of all the people Alex Jones brings on his show, Steele is the only one I consider to be a huge mistake.

[wnlight]

A couple of thoughts on this thread:
1) Both the CIA and NASA have their roots in Nazism. Both are likely owned by Nazis.
2) What would be the motivation of a child labor colony on Mars? What would they produce that couldn't be cheaper made here? There are many locations on the Earth that are owned by the CIA.

[Helene West]

Just listened to the clip with RDS on infowars.
I can believe there are elites that arrange/condone the murder of fetuses to young kids for anti-aging enhancement purposes. But then he claims kidnapped children are sent all the way to Mars for this purpose? or for other purposes? I'm not getting what the Mars angle is really about. I'm not sure I even believe that man went to the moon let alone this Mars business.

The way he was complimenting Alex that he was one of the most unique voices on the internet and then suggesting in the same breath particular guests he should have on did alert me to possible disinfo techniques. Taking down Infowars would be a big feather in the elite's cap.

Associating Alex Jones with the belief that children are being kidnapped to be sent to Mars for slave labor I think could ruin Alex and Infowars. As usual I remain suspicious of RDS. I do like his little library behind him while he puts out his theories. It softens how wild some of the things he's saying are.

[Louis Sullivan]

It was this site that made me question Alex Jones as possible controlled opposition/disinformation agent after all. And as far as Robert David Steele.... any "former" agent of the CIA, NASA, FBI etc. etc. is not to be trusted as a purveyor of truth in my opinion or should at least be taken extremely skeptically. I'm of the "once a part of the cabal always a part of the cabal" ilk and I cant think of better disinfo agents than "former" members of these agencies....

Not everyone in Government agencies are part of the "cabal". Most are just as clueless as the average person. They do their jobs and for the most part are good people.

You make an excellent point neutronstar but my counterpoint is this; do you really think the average government worker/good noodle would be allowed to speak publicly about accurate plans of tptb?

My answer is hellllll nooooooo. If the DNC killed Seth Rich for leaking those emails, I doubt tptb would think twice before silencing a good/average government worker who was about to spill something as deep as what RDS and Mr. Jones are discussing in the clip.

[Louis Sullivan]

As far as the Mars angle let me throw this theory out there.

Why spend all this energy and resources keeping the commoners in the dark when tptb could just up and leave? Leave the commoners to deal with pollution, climate change, nuclear reactors etc. We terraformed/have a geodome on Mars baby!

I consider it similar to the plot of the film 2012. Rather than Noah's ark type ships to survive the flood substitute spaceships to escape the planet. The elites have their tickets. Us commonfolk do not.

Just a theory of course, among a few running ones I have on the direction humanity is heading.

[we-R-one]

RDS is 'deep state' as he's linked to the Progressives.....Besides, there's no such thing as an 'Ex-CIA agent', lmao...that should be your first clue.

[TargeT]

RDS is 'deep state' as he's linked to the Progressives.....Besides, there's no such thing as an 'Ex-CIA agent', lmao...that should be your first clue.

This is my conclusion as well.

Plus he gets air time on TV.. anyone that gets that I instantly suspect.

[we-R-one]

exactly TargeT, exactly....Besides, never E.V.E.R trust a 'Progressive'....it always leads down the wrong path!

[Tyy1907]

This thing seemed strange right from the get go. Child slaves go on "a 20 year ride to Mars"? That begs for more details.