The Corey Goode affair: various updates from David Wilcock

[Carmody]

that is the problem, in a nutshell.

people react as their monkey which filters their thoughts...it is designed to react, first, think later. Thus the reaction-thought formation system chokes out intellectual thought --- in a feedback loop of not-know.

External items are emotion processed first, so we get to belief in the things we cannot discern, as a first order premise.

That is where crap like 'trusting to god' steps in as a substitute for thought and discernment. As fear says such things to the intellectual 'don't know' part... and moves the body to seek comfort/safety. In the original monkey design, that command was to move the body to safety. In this case we lie/falsehood the body to safety. Or accept someone else's announcement/discussion/statement of safety, etc... in whatever form it may arrive.

Monkeys play in the middle of the herd, not the edges. The edges are more alert. Thus to play means being in the middle. Not discerning. Just..comfortable.

These things are ultra-critical to understand, so you can then see the pattern of manipulation that lies beneath the hierarchical system of thought formation within your body.

The powers and elites of this world realize and know these thing thoroughly, so they simply grab the levers with both hands and ...bend you.

The monkey herd animal in control (first principle, body safety) of humanity and human thought formation..is stunningly clear. If only one bothers to look. The pattern is excruciatingly visible, to me.

[idiit]

The Corey Goode saga is fascinating and far-reaching, but I am wary of accepting it at face value until someone else comes out of the woodwork to back him up. Anyone else feel the same way?

^ yes, almost an " of course".

three gears; forward (belief), backwards ( disbelief) and the forgotten third gear of neutral (suspended outside detached observer).

[Brizil]

Hello to all. It has been a while since I have posted. I have been following this thread and love the collaboration. I don't believe or disbelieve anything because I don't have access to the information needed to make a well informed decision one way or the other (this forum is very helpful). I appreciate the "Source Reliability" information that Bill provided and will make use of that for sure. When sifting through all the information that has been presented to us I decided to just take it in and be aware of how my optics are influencing my objectivity. I perceive none of this as factual but as fascinating and intriguing. Instinctually, I feel like some major change is coming but I really don't know what that change will be.

[idiit]

First Two Episodes of Cosmic Disclosure (Free) Are Now Available…

Posted on 2015/07/21


Episode 1: The Message for Humankind

There is more going on in space than you can ever imagine. Out of sight, out of mind. That is how the greatest secrets in the history of humankind have remained hidden from the populace. Now, a 20-year insider, Corey Goode, joins David Wilcock in this inaugural presentation of Cosmic Disclosure to reveal humanity’s celestial presence and the details of an extraterrestrial message which conveys details of the coming collective ascension for humankind.

Episode 2: First Encounter

Extraordinary changes are already underway for planet and people, and an alliance of advanced civilizations have come to serve as guides for our collective transformation. To help facilitate the coming changes these beings have named a spokesperson to reveal who they are and why they have come. Corey Goode recounts when he was established as the delegate for the Sphere Being Alliance, and his first encounter with the Blue Avians who explained the nature of consciousness, life after death, and the shifting conditions for life on Earth.

To sign up for more episodes, with support for Corey and family, click the link below.

http://www.gaiamtv.com/?cid=aff:amb:cg:al000


weekly episodes

[Lost N Found]

Thanks idiit, There is another place you can watch this business with Corey and David go to http://www.ascensionwithearth.com that place has all of this stuff plus.

[araucaria]

Instinctually, I feel like some major change is coming but I really don't know what that change will be.
Given your age, I would suggest that this has nothing whatever to do with Corey Goode, and everything to do with your Pluto square.
See this post and following:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83856-What-The-Hell-Happened&p=980928&viewfull=1#post980928

[Brizil]

Ok. Thank you for taking the time to share this with me.

[idiit]

I just watched the two goode/wilcock vids.

incredible. must view. great stuff.

few snippets from my take ( you should view and get your own take):

corey goode's blue avian connect is ra (law of one). ra rules the major ssp conferences. no one messes with ra at these conferences; he be boss man. :)

lots of the huge spheres we've been reading about are located around our sun cluster to diffuse the intense new galactic "dimensional shift" energies we are rotating into. we should enjoy a fairly smooth segue into the fourth dimension. :)

there are some major battles going on between different factions. our 3d cognizance is more testosterone fueled "big stick thumping" oriented. ra stresses the higher dimensional path of peaceful loving energies resolving the problems. neg reactions beget neg solutions. bad. at higher levels of consciousness ( 4d and above) it's about the energies. we are manifesting creator beings. wilcock calls this "Imagineering". we have a tremendous two edged sword available to us; our unique and powerful emotions. these emotions are the lynchpin/actualizer of our creator manifesting capacities. we have been tricked by our would be enslavers into an endless bad karma viscous cycle of neg energy reaction/solution mode. the key to the doorway out is peaceful, loving + energies utilized for a + solution.

anyhooooo, great stuff imo. hope you do too. you won't know what they said unless you take the time.....

ps: we don't have to be "the bitch, taking it bending over". we can resolve the issues without anger, hatred, physical violence....

^ all dat is so 3d anyway...

http://www.gaiamtv.com/seeking-truth/lp-cosmic-disclosure

[Bill Ryan]

lots of the huge spheres we've been reading about are located around our sun cluster to diffuse the intense new galactic "dimensional shift" energies we are rotating into. we should enjoy a fairly smooth segue into the fourth dimension.



Pure nonsense. :)

[PathWalker]

lots of the huge spheres we've been reading about are located around our sun cluster to diffuse the intense new galactic "dimensional shift" energies we are rotating into. we should enjoy a fairly smooth segue into the fourth dimension.


Smooth patronizing and false shielding. Are the characteristics of STS energy draining teachers.

The omens of a new religion, with the return of new/old gods.

[idiit]

^ ra has stressed in these vids (read from goode's q+a list he managed to remember) that none of the higher ed's should be worshipped as gods, at least not any of them. ra has brought the law of one to us 4 times; the first three it was usurped by our would be enslaver/rulers. ra does not want this to happen again.

you don't know what they say until you take the time.......


Pure nonsense.

^ the forum wouldn't be any fun without a diversity of perspectives. :)

[Gardener]

I did listen to the two interviews and I particularly noted the reference to Ra, now the bird entity didn't actually say he was Ra, he merely repeated is own name saying 'I am Ra-xxx-xxxx' which I can't remember but began with Ra- and they made an assumption. and ran with it as you have. It is likely that the name was used to hook, but hey what do I know! Ask member TrumanCash, his thread is here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions) and his books are listed to download in his signature.

^ ra has stressed in these vids (read from goode's q+a list he managed to remember) that none of the higher ed's should be worshipped as gods, at least not any of them. ra has brought the law of one to us 4 times; the first three it was usurped by our would be enslaver/rulers. ra does not want this to happen again.

you don't know what they say until you take the time.......


Pure nonsense.

^ the forum wouldn't be any fun without a diversity of perspectives. :)

[idiit]

^ppl need to get their own take.

goode and wilcock did not affirm my take. they did make some comments.

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

COSMIC DISCLOSURE: Secret Space Program Insider Debut Videos!! (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1183-cosmic-disclosure)

http://divinecosmos.com/images/cosmic_disclosure.jpg


Cosmic Disclosure Episode 1 w/ Corey Goode & David Wilcock


There is more going on in space than you can ever imagine. Out of sight, out of mind. That is how the greatest secrets in the history of humankind have remained hidden from the populace. For the first time ever, a 30-year insider has come forward to reveal over 70 years of humanity’s hidden history in space. Corey Goode joins David Wilcock in this inaugural presentation of Cosmic Disclosure to offer an overview of their upcoming interviews which detail the history and extent of humanity’s celestial presence.

Published on Jul 21, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukpPtzvracg

[Mike]

will share this here ...

COSMIC DISCLOSURE: Secret Space Program Insider Debut Videos!! (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1183-cosmic-disclosure)

http://divinecosmos.com/images/cosmic_disclosure.jpg


Cosmic Disclosure Episode 1 w/ Corey Goode & David Wilcock


There is more going on in space than you can ever imagine. Out of sight, out of mind. That is how the greatest secrets in the history of humankind have remained hidden from the populace. For the first time ever, a 30-year insider has come forward to reveal over 70 years of humanity’s hidden history in space. Corey Goode joins David Wilcock in this inaugural presentation of Cosmic Disclosure to offer an overview of their upcoming interviews which detail the history and extent of humanity’s celestial presence.

Published on Jul 21, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukpPtzvracg



The pitch and timbre of this Corey guy's voice never changes. Nor the volume. And he's strangely unemotional...almost robotic. His facial expression never changes. It gives the impression that he's reciting a script from memory. Either that or his personality was abducted by the bird aliens.

Also, I've seen corpses that look healthier than David Wilcock. What's the deal with him?

It's amazing how these 2 guys could make something so fantastical seem so lame. Neither are particularly interesting. I imagine their pre interview cheer went something like this : "Ok guys, bring it in! Let's put 'em to sleep! Alright..1! 2! 3! BORING!"

This dude is a fraud.

[Olaf]

How can be someone an Intuitive Empath and feel the emotions of others, who seems to be so disconnected with his very own emotions?

Also I strongly miss details that make memories vivid.

[giovonni]

^ the forum wouldn't be any fun without a diversity of perspectives. :)

Yes i do/pray the forum never loses that aspect of its purpose of existing.

[Connor]

I find the majority of his information hard to believe but it also makes me wonder what nuggets of truth are hidden amongst the disinformation perhaps...

[Becky]

yes, I agree that he really talks like he's trying to remember a script rather than recalling amazing memories of his apparently outstanding experiences. Also he looks terrified and uncomfortable.

Edited to add...if he really has had all these experiences, and all or even some of what he's said is true, then he's done so much planning in trying to get the info out in a structured, organised way, that he's lost the true essence of his experiences....that's what I'm not getting, his true essence. This could possibly be because he's been so traumatised and is rather disconnected still. But it's all presented like a story and with no emotion or true feeling.

[ThePythonicCow]

Pure nonsense.

^ the forum wouldn't be any fun without a diversity of perspectives. :)
We're not here just to have fun and spout diverse perspectives. We're here to support each other in our common endeavor to improve and better understand our situation, both on the individual level and on larger scales.


I find the majority of his information hard to believe but it also makes me wonder what nuggets of truth are hidden amongst the disinformation perhaps...
Mixing in a bit of truth, if Corey even does that much, does not justify substantial fabrications.

Would you buy a car from a used car salesman whose only truthful statement was that the car was blue?

===

I knew Corey Goode casually for a couple of years, as he was a member of this forum for quite a while (until we closed his membership) and as he lives just 40 miles down the road from me. I've spent a few hours in his presence, and met his family.

I attach no particular credence to what he says, on account of his having said it. If anything, it's the other way around. It seems to me that he tells "buzz word compliant stories" of himself that don't necessarily match well with what else I can discern, but that make his experience out to be more than I suspect is necessarily justified.

As for the "six figure job" that he left (right at the end of the above video, according to Wilcock) ... he had no such job when I was in contact with him in 2013 and 2014. He was unemployed having injured his back and shoulders when a heavy rack of computer equipment he was installing fell. Working in the equipment rooms of computer centers pulling racks of equipment is not, last I knew, a six figure job.

My guess is that James Corey has had a more difficult life than most of us, that has somehow fractured his being in ways quite beyond my perception, and that he's now being used by others, more powerful, who do not have humanity's best interests at heart.

[Connor]

Sorry Paul I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought a fabrication was acceptable, I just wonder as with all these cases of disinformation as to which parts hold nuggets of truth. Guess I'm curious in that way with Corey's story.

:)

Thanks for pointing out some of the fabrications he has made as I wasn't aware of those in particular.

I agree completely that he's being used which is a sad element to the story as I guess he is just a human being like us all. :coffee:

[araucaria]

The pitch and timbre of this Corey guy's voice never changes. Nor the volume. And he's strangely unemotional...almost robotic. His facial expression never changes. It gives the impression that he's reciting a script from memory. Either that or his personality was abducted by the bird aliens.

Also, I've seen corpses that look healthier than David Wilcock. What's the deal with him?

So, does an abuctee/experiencer have to sound like death warmed up? It would appear... emphatically not.

Spot the difference:
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[Twain]

I find the majority of his information hard to believe but it also makes me wonder what nuggets of truth are hidden amongst the disinformation perhaps...

Such a fallacy, that disinfo is worth something. Like it's coded for some esoteric elite. I'm certain we've all read and heard massive amounts of disinfo, us who find ourselves on forums like this especially. But what truths have you gleaned? Some say disinfo is 20/80 truth to lie. Others say something else.

I was lead to believe, and believed that it was worth trudging through Camelot videos, for instance, yet I still can't seem to put it together. Feels like a waste of time, a scam, in retrospect. Nothing these claimants and blowhards have said or predicted has come true.

The Corey affair is like the nail in the coffin. You see, the new crowd, new to this scene, takes it in and loves it. They ignore the old crowd when we say this is text book disinformation, or else another sociopath creating his false identity for life. Men are madness incarnate. I'm losing my faith.

That Corey has been taken in by many alt media outlets, and his aliens receive triangular confirmation from other big shots (cobra, Parkes, gilliand to name a few) leads me to believe he is working along and with confederatess of deception.

Follow the blue birds.

When it doesn't pan out, again, for the umpteenth time, how many more will wake up from alternative media deception.

This stuff is literally a joke to someone, some group, some tabloid mafia. Sickening.

There is no truth in disinformation. It's just a scam.

IMO

[ulli]

I find the majority of his information hard to believe but it also makes me wonder what nuggets of truth are hidden amongst the disinformation perhaps...

Such a fallacy, that disinfo is worth something. Like it's coded for some esoteric elite. I'm certain we've all read and heard massive amounts of disinfo, us who find ourselves on forums like this especially. But what truths have you gleaned? Some say disinfo is 20/80 truth to lie. Others say something else.

I was lead to believe, and believed that it was worth trudging through Camelot videos, for instance, yet I still can't seem to put it together. Feels like a waste of time, a scam, in retrospect. Nothing these claimants and blowhards have said or predicted has come true.

The Corey affair is like the nail in the coffin. You see, the new crowd, new to this scene, takes it in and loves it. They ignore the old crowd when we say this is text book disinformation, or else another sociopath creating his false identity for life. Men are madness incarnate. I'm losing my faith.

That Corey has been taken in by many alt media outlets, and his aliens receive triangular confirmation from other big shots (cobra, Parkes, gilliand to name a few) leads me to believe he is working along and with confederatess of deception.

Follow the blue birds.

When it doesn't pan out, again, for the umpteenth time, how many more will wake up from alternative media deception.

This stuff is literally a joke to someone, some group, some tabloid mafia. Sickening.

There is no truth in disinformation. It's just a scam.

IMO. (http://liesaboutdevils.blogspot.com/2015/07/bill-ryan-deception.html?m=1)

I agree with what you say here, about the disinformation aspect.
But it is only bad if one somehow gets trapped forever, and ruins one's life because of it.
To get sucked in, and then struggle to get back to one's normal self, plus the added experience-
that alone is worth something. It is part of the overall journey of life, which is a personal odyssey.
Now my motto is: and if the world were to end tomorrow, I would still be planting a tree today.

[Connor]

Was simply curious as to what parts if any held truth not suggesting we decipher it fully. Understand your point on disinfo

Forgive me

[Bill Ryan]

As for the "six figure job" that he left (right at the end of the above video, according to Wilcock) ... he had no such job when I was in contact with him in 2013 and 2014. He was unemployed having injured his back and shoulders when a heavy rack of computer equipment he was installing fell. Working in the equipment rooms of computer centers pulling racks of equipment is not, last I knew, a six figure job.



Yes, that's true. He was unemployed, and receives a disability pension (he has a variety of ailments, and is on medication). The very reason he was so concerned for a while about his real name being linked to his many GoodETxSG posts is that he thought that a potential new employer might discriminate against him. He was always very anxious about that.

[Pam]

Pure nonsense.

^ the forum wouldn't be any fun without a diversity of perspectives. :)
We're not here just to have fun and spout diverse perspectives. We're here to support each other in our common endeavor to improve and better understand our situation, both on the individual level and on larger scales.


I find the majority of his information hard to believe but it also makes me wonder what nuggets of truth are hidden amongst the disinformation perhaps...
Mixing in a bit of truth, if Corey even does that much, does not justify substantial fabrications.

Would you buy a car from a used car salesman whose only truthful statement was that the car was blue?

===

I knew Corey Goode casually for a couple of years, as he was a member of this forum for quite a while (until we closed his membership) and as he lives just 40 miles down the road from me. I've spent a few hours in his presence, and met his family.

I attach no particular credence to what he says, on account of his having said it. If anything, it's the other way around. It seems to me that he tells "buzz word compliant stories" of himself that don't necessarily match well with what else I can discern, but that make his experience out to be more than I suspect is necessarily justified.

As for the "six figure job" that he left (right at the end of the above video, according to Wilcock) ... he had no such job when I was in contact with him in 2013 and 2014. He was unemployed having injured his back and shoulders when a heavy rack of computer equipment he was installing fell. Working in the equipment rooms of computer centers pulling racks of equipment is not, last I knew, a six figure job.

My guess is that James Corey has had a more difficult life than most of us, that has somehow fractured his being in ways quite beyond my perception, and that he's now being used by others, more powerful, who do not have humanity's best interests at heart.

Paul, thank you for your insightful comments. I have been wondering about his alleged 6 figure job that he lost, due to his whistle blowing activity only to be asking for donations shortly after. Your explanations answer a lot of questions for me. The only things that we can verify are the facts about his personal life. If he is fabricating this, it would show me he is not coming from a state of being programmed, but may come from a place of dishonesty. There is no reason to fabricate this fact for the whistleblower story, so if he is adding it , it is more about ego, not only is he the only one in the world talking with these aliens, he was very well off and was willing to lose all that wealth as a whistle blower. He is definitely being used, but I do not see him as a victim because he had a choice. I do understand that circumstances made him vulnerable. Sure, it would be tempting if you are disabled and your self worth may be tottering to jump at the chance of having a bit of notoriety. But, at the end of the day I don't believe he is programmed to the point of having no choice. I believe that this is a case of unchecked ego. If he was being programmed there would be no addition of the 6 figure job, as anyone would be aware that that statement could be the beginning of the downfall. The fact that DW would state that, shows me two things. One is that his vetting process may not be all that he says it is, and the other is that DW believes this.

One thing I observed about the interview is the lack of eye movement when he is supposed to be recalling events. I use this as a barometer for detecting truthful recall. One that is pulling actual recall from the mind will have eye movement as the event is being pulled from the memory and the person is visualizing the event. I'm not sure if that kind of eye movement could be faked. I did not see any eye movement at all. . To me, this is strongly indicative of a memorized story that did not occur.

[Shadowself]

Pure nonsense.

^ the forum wouldn't be any fun without a diversity of perspectives. :)
We're not here just to have fun and spout diverse perspectives. We're here to support each other in our common endeavor to improve and better understand our situation, both on the individual level and on larger scales.


I find the majority of his information hard to believe but it also makes me wonder what nuggets of truth are hidden amongst the disinformation perhaps...
Mixing in a bit of truth, if Corey even does that much, does not justify substantial fabrications.

Would you buy a car from a used car salesman whose only truthful statement was that the car was blue?

===

I knew Corey Goode casually for a couple of years, as he was a member of this forum for quite a while (until we closed his membership) and as he lives just 40 miles down the road from me. I've spent a few hours in his presence, and met his family.

I attach no particular credence to what he says, on account of his having said it. If anything, it's the other way around. It seems to me that he tells "buzz word compliant stories" of himself that don't necessarily match well with what else I can discern, but that make his experience out to be more than I suspect is necessarily justified.

As for the "six figure job" that he left (right at the end of the above video, according to Wilcock) ... he had no such job when I was in contact with him in 2013 and 2014. He was unemployed having injured his back and shoulders when a heavy rack of computer equipment he was installing fell. Working in the equipment rooms of computer centers pulling racks of equipment is not, last I knew, a six figure job.

My guess is that James Corey has had a more difficult life than most of us, that has somehow fractured his being in ways quite beyond my perception, and that he's now being used by others, more powerful, who do not have humanity's best interests at heart.

He's a liar liar pants on fire....Corey that is.

Paul you're correct. And it appears he has been on Workmans Comp Since around Sept of 2013. Which means he can't just take another job while he's got a workmans comp clam in the offing.

Now this is made public so it's more than fine to post it here I would suppose. In his own words....from a guy with a six figure job no less:

http://i57.tinypic.com/25anq0p.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/rk1xm8.jpg

This backs up what you said Paul:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2kfole.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/fuxs7d.jpg

[Shadowself]

As for the "six figure job" that he left (right at the end of the above video, according to Wilcock) ... he had no such job when I was in contact with him in 2013 and 2014. He was unemployed having injured his back and shoulders when a heavy rack of computer equipment he was installing fell. Working in the equipment rooms of computer centers pulling racks of equipment is not, last I knew, a six figure job.



Yes, that's true. He was unemployed, and receives a disability pension (he has a variety of ailments, and is on medication). The very reason he was so concerned for a while about his real name being linked to his many GoodETxSG posts is that he thought that a potential new employer might discriminate against him. He was always very anxious about that.

He would also be very nervous as to what kind of work he could take with a workmans comp claim in the offing no? You can't just take any job while on workmans comp. It would require not using those injured shoulders no?

How much physical work is required to give interviews?

http://www.tdi.texas.gov/wc/employee/

http://www.tdi.texas.gov/wc/employee/workerresources_english.html

http://i60.tinypic.com/25i0ilh.jpg


Perhaps that "disability pension" is workmans comp income? One would never know the way this guys lies!



http://www.tdi.texas.gov/wc/employee/tempben.html
:silent:

[Curt]

I'm sorry for Corey. I'm sure he must be in a great deal of pain- physical, psychic and otherwise.

...Setting aside Blue Avians, Milabs, and all of his claims to knowledge about secret government goings-on and exopolitical happenings...

Here's a guy who- whether he's telling the truth about his experiences or not- has clearly been abused by the same 'machine' that abuses us all.

It's hard to judge someone in this situation too harshly- at least once the initial anger subsides.

This 'machine' has hammered us all since birth and continues to hammer and mangle us relentlessly.

Some of us bear it gracefully, and others lash out like wounded animals- and do whatever they can to survive.

When I see Corey today, I see myself, and choose, in this rare moment of clarity, to have sympathy and compassion for us both- and for us all.

[Pam]

I'm sorry for Corey. I'm sure he must be in a great deal of pain- physical, psychic and otherwise.

...Setting aside Blue Avians, Milabs, and all of his claims to knowledge about secret government goings-on and exopolitical happenings...

Here's a guy who- whether he's telling the truth about his experiences or not- has clearly been abused by the same 'machine' that abuses us all.

It's hard to judge someone in this situation too harshly- at least once the initial anger subsides.

This 'machine' has hammered us all since birth and continues to hammer and mangle us relentlessly.

Some of us bear it gracefully, and others lash out like wounded animals- and do whatever they can to survive.

When I see Corey today, I see myself, and choose, in this rare moment of clarity, to have sympathy and compassion for us both- and for us all.




Curt, you have stated your sentiments beautifully. We all really have been damaged. and your empathy and compassion are appreciated. For just the reasons that you mentioned in this beautiful post I feel it is imperative that everything this man says must be looked at with a fine tooth comb. When you offer hope of salvation for the whole of mankind it is a very serious thing. We have all been beaten down at so many levels. All of us are vulnerable here on a dying planet, waiting for the end of days with little hope in sight. If someone is going to claim that they have first hand experience that will offer us a way out, they had dang better be speaking the truth as best they know it. When I see those who have bought his story hook, line and sinker, I think of how very sad it will be when and if they discover that all this was a crock like so many before him. If he is doing this to gain his 15 minutes of fame at the expense of others that is really heart breaking.

We have every right to look at what he is saying and to use discernment regarding everything that comes out of his mouth regarding this issue. He has stated some things about his work history and salary that do not seem to match the facts. That does not look good for his credibility. If I turn out to be inaccurate about my search for the truth of this matter, I will be the first to apologize. I will also be delighted to be wrong. We are seekers of the truth, and this is one of the times it is appropriate to check things out.

[Selene]

We are all looking at Corey and asking ourselves: Is he the perfect being we want or demand him to be in order to be the bearer of a worthy message? In other words: Can we trust ourselves to understand the message and think for ourselves – or are we still waiting for some demigod of perfection, the Approved One, to lead us, he/she the angel with the flaming sword to show up on our doorstep to instruct us? The God complex, in other words. The ‘Someone Else’ who comes bearing truth and removes all need for our own autonomy or free will?

This isn’t Corey: he’s a human like the rest of us, except only that he has also has been deliberately messed with as a part of his Milab experience. They built the self-destruct into the model, remember. He’s been screwed over on purpose, so he can be safely discounted by we who expect and await human perfection. They’ve broken him in order to fail us.

This is precisely the human weakness that has defeated us again and again: The belief that only a Perfect Being can lead us – and if we, collectively, decide that someone/entity isn’t a Perfect Being on whatever terms, we’re out. Nada. Zip. Move on. He’s junk, merely human and I won’t listen.

We want him to be a leader; he is instead merely a messenger. I’m not saying that everything he says is accurate; I’m saying it needs to be evaluated on its own terms.

As my own beloved teacher once commented: ‘Too many people refuse to learn anything higher unless they can be taught by a perfect master. Okay, do you really think you are the perfect pupil?’

Our collective skepticism has been well nurtured by the PTB, crying wolf, after wolf, after wolf, and quite deliberately. Harden us against trusting anyone. Give us a fear of looking foolish (whooo, ego!). Make mockery and cynicism fashionable. Perfect. Teach to ignore our own heart, and follow the herd of fashion. Teach fear of ourselves.

Listen to the message instead, my dear brothers and sisters. And think and decide for yourself, this is your privilege. Corey is merely the messenger. We are all flawed humans.

Thank you so much, Curt, for your message of compassion and decency.

Cheers,

Selene

[Brizil]

We are all looking at Corey and asking ourselves: Is he the perfect being we want or demand him to be in order to be the bearer of a worthy message? In other words: Can we trust ourselves to understand the message and think for ourselves – or are we still waiting for some demigod of perfection, the Approved One, to lead us, he/she the angel with the flaming sword to show up on our doorstep to instruct us? The God complex, in other words. The ‘Someone Else’ who comes bearing truth and removes all need for our own autonomy or free will?

This isn’t Corey: he’s a human like the rest of us, except only that he has also has been deliberately messed with as a part of his Milab experience. They built the self-destruct into the model, remember. He’s been screwed over on purpose, so he can be safely discounted by we who expect and await human perfection. They’ve broken him in order to fail us.

This is precisely the human weakness that has defeated us again and again: The belief that only a Perfect Being can lead us – and if we, collectively, decide that someone/entity isn’t a Perfect Being on whatever terms, we’re out. Nada. Zip. Move on. He’s junk, merely human and I won’t listen.

We want him to be a leader; he is instead merely a messenger. I’m not saying that everything he says is accurate; I’m saying it needs to be evaluated on its own terms.

As my own beloved teacher once commented: ‘Too many people refuse to learn anything higher unless they can be taught by a perfect master. Okay, do you really think you are the perfect pupil?’

Our collective skepticism has been well nurtured by the PTB, crying wolf, after wolf, after wolf, and quite deliberately. Harden us against trusting anyone. Give us a fear of looking foolish (whooo, ego!). Make mockery and cynicism fashionable. Perfect. Teach to ignore our own heart, and follow the herd of fashion. Teach fear of ourselves.

Listen to the message instead, my dear brothers and sisters. And think and decide for yourself, this is your privilege. Corey is merely the messenger. We are all flawed humans.

Thank you so much, Curt, for your message of compassion and decency.

Cheers,

Selene

Well Said Selene!

This discussion has become not just about what Corey Goode is claiming but also about how we treat others who may or may not be right, wrong, delusional, nonsensical, a hero, an individual who is spreading disinfo, or someone that is providing us with a glimpse into a world that some of us would be thrilled to understand. One of my favorite books is The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz. One of the agreements is to be "impeccable with your word." Mr. Ruiz asserts that "criticisms are like homing pigeons." I agree with his assertion and do my best to utilize it. Nevertheless, I often have a hard time telling the difference between whether or not I'm criticizing someone or just looking at the facts (or what I perceive as facts) about him/her and the information he/she is providing and coming to my own conclusion. I try my best to not look at things as right, wrong, good, bad, or normal and abnormal. Nevertheless, this becomes very difficult at times when you hear about things like children being raped, murdering of innocence etc. And it can be just as difficult when your hearing things that Corey is claiming. So I have a question for you. How can we have an intelligent, collaborative discussion about the information Corey is presenting without being critical or judgemental of it? Thank you for your excellent contribution to this discussion!

[araucaria]

We want him to be a leader; he is instead merely a messenger. I’m not saying that everything he says is accurate; I’m saying it needs to be evaluated on its own terms.
I thanked my friend Curt’s post because I agree with his compassionate view, and of course I also agree with that part of your post, Selene, that echoes his. But you say other things that I do not accept.


‘We want him to be a leader’? No, I agree, we don’t. We don’t want leaders, because we don’t want to be followers. We don’t want to be followers because, you see, while we are heading together in the same direction, we are each making our own personal journey with intersections and branch-offs. You have to blaze your own trail.


‘He is merely a messenger’. A messenger who nearly knocks the door down to hand you a message from his leader, no thank you.



‘It needs to be evaluated on its own terms’: this has been done, it’s more junk mail. Sorry.

[Mike]

thomas jefferson has a great quote: "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions"

its always stayed with me. i never hesitate to use ridicule in my life. i embrace it. for me it is the only sane response to an insane world. it is the antidote to absurdity. and this corey character is nothing if not absurd.

we all have pretty good excuses to fall off the rails in our lives...but we dont all do it. if he wants to make a living telling lies about milabs etc, so be it, but the relentless slandering of avalon and its representatives is unconscionable. it doesnt mean he should be dragged over the coals for all eternity...but it does mean he's gonna suffer some sh!tty karma for a bit. and i think thats a healthy exchange...for all parties involved.

i am not without compassion (see: Curt's elegant post above), but i cannot fill myself with it until ive emptied myself of all my frustration.

[idiit]

I think there is a pretty viscous smear campaign against corey here at this forum.

hindsight is ever better than foresight.

we'll know if the ad hominem attacks are justified in a short while.

for those coery haters; show me the proof that he is a delusional liar.:)

I don't think at this time in you have anything but "suppositions" to back up the conduct that is supposed to be "out of bounds" on this forum.

teach me the error of my ways. i'm a student. i'll learn and make the adjustments.

i'm serious. if i'm a "wide eyed opie taylor niave sucker" then I don't want to stay that way. I want to change into a better person. I work hard at becoming a better person in many ways every day.

please help me. :)

[ThePythonicCow]

I think there is a pretty viscous smear campaign against corey here at this forum.
Keep watching :).

(and do you best not to support a smear campaign against this forum, on the (in my considerable experience) false charge that there's a viscious smear campaign against Corey here.)

[araucaria]

Here we go again.

Corey's account here was closed by mutual consent, meaning that he made himself unwelcome then walked out as he was being banned. Hence, of his own doing and his own making, Avalon has become a Corey-free zone, although the odd member will try and twist that into its opposite. If you do not accept the management's position on this issue, which is in line with evey other decision it makes, and thus defines the forum for what it is, then that means that you yourself are Avalon-incompatible. There are various possible solutions to this problem, but the problem most definitely lies with the individual member, not the forum.

[Brizil]

Hello everyone! This is becoming a debate which means there is a win/loss situation developing. There is really no need to spend emotional energy on that because nothing of use for anyone here will come of it. I think I understand why this has happended and would like to see us all work together. I've seen situations develop like this on this forum before and it can get quite messy. Do we really want that?

[Pam]

We are all looking at Corey and asking ourselves: Is he the perfect being we want or demand him to be in order to be the bearer of a worthy message? In other words: Can we trust ourselves to understand the message and think for ourselves – or are we still waiting for some demigod of perfection, the Approved One, to lead us, he/she the angel with the flaming sword to show up on our doorstep to instruct us? The God complex, in other words. The ‘Someone Else’ who comes bearing truth and removes all need for our own autonomy or free will?

This isn’t Corey: he’s a human like the rest of us, except only that he has also has been deliberately messed with as a part of his Milab experience. They built the self-destruct into the model, remember. He’s been screwed over on purpose, so he can be safely discounted by we who expect and await human perfection. They’ve broken him in order to fail us.

This is precisely the human weakness that has defeated us again and again: The belief that only a Perfect Being can lead us – and if we, collectively, decide that someone/entity isn’t a Perfect Being on whatever terms, we’re out. Nada. Zip. Move on. He’s junk, merely human and I won’t listen.

We want him to be a leader; he is instead merely a messenger. I’m not saying that everything he says is accurate; I’m saying it needs to be evaluated on its own terms.

As my own beloved teacher once commented: ‘Too many people refuse to learn anything higher unless they can be taught by a perfect master. Okay, do you really think you are the perfect pupil?’

Our collective skepticism has been well nurtured by the PTB, crying wolf, after wolf, after wolf, and quite deliberately. Harden us against trusting anyone. Give us a fear of looking foolish (whooo, ego!). Make mockery and cynicism fashionable. Perfect. Teach to ignore our own heart, and follow the herd of fashion. Teach fear of ourselves.

Listen to the message instead, my dear brothers and sisters. And think and decide for yourself, this is your privilege. Corey is merely the messenger. We are all flawed humans.

Thank you so much, Curt, for your message of compassion and decency.

Cheers,

Selene


You are correct, Selene. There are very few on this planet that are able to walk the talk of the message that they convey. I have certainly received life enhancing messages from some of those people. That is because their message transcends their human frailty. Even Gandhi had moments of human frailty, and it would be foolish to discard his message(s) because of it. I can take things from him and better my life with it.

Is it wrong to examine the past of a presidential candidate before we vote (if you choose to do so)? Is it wrong to question the integrity of one who gives us a potential world saving message? I don't believe we are looking for a saint, I surely am not. I am looking for integrity to validate the message. That is the best indication to me that what someone is saying is their truth. If someone is prone to exaggeration or untruth in the past, it is not unreasonable to believe that what they say today might be exaggerated and untruthful. If I were to come forth today and tell you that I am having contacts with ET's or gods or whatever, I would expect you to question me. I would expect you to look at my past. If you took me at my word, without question, I would call you naive, or trusting to a fault. There are many types of human frailty. Some of our most valued leaders in the past were womanizers and scoundrels but they may not be dishonest, although I suspect most were. So looking at someone's past may give us indicators of whether that person has integrity. And of course integrity, in itself, is not a black and white thing. It is in many ways subjective. Unfortunately, we do not live in a world where taking everything a face value makes sense, and I do not apologize for examining the messenger.

I am also curious how you know that he is a Milab survivor? What proof is there? You seem to be stating that as fact in your post. Maybe it is possible that his handlers were so sophisticated that they gave him characteristics of a sociopath. I am referring to making grandiose statements about himself, even though they could be proved inaccurate. I do admit that this would be really, really clever. What do think of Drake? The last guy to promise us the moon that DW was promoting? Regardless of what any of us think, he and his message have come and gone. Do you have empathy for those that were devastated and humiliated because they believed his message?


In regards to this specific message that Cory is giving to us, I am a little wary of a world of ET's that operate at the same level that we do on planet earth. I am not talking about the advanced technology, but the basic social structures and general atmosphere and interactions that were projected. I get the feeling of a male dominated military, with the same tired hierarchy of generals, lieutenants and the like, very similar to what we have here. Somehow, I can't see that model taking us to any higher place of peace and cohesion. Yes, there is a sprinkling from the Law of One, but I have the feeling it is thrown in there as an afterthought and I do not see a meaningful integration of the Law of One influencing the actions of the players at any significant level. Yes, I am a female, so that could bias my take on things and this is only my take of the message. So if I were to look only at the message, I take away very, very little that is uplifting in anyway. In fact, it is downright depressing, even though we will all be given new technology and wealth. Because if this is true what I see is more of the same with some additional players.The equalized wealth will be ripped out of the pockets of the meek and trusting by the more ambitious and greedy, and soon we will be back to square one. I do not see the evolution of human consciousness occurring with the same type of social structures that we have today. Therefore, intuitively, this message does not ring true, regardless of the messenger.

[Brizil]

I think there is a pretty viscous smear campaign against corey here at this forum.

hindsight is ever better than foresight.

we'll know if the ad hominem attacks are justified in a short while.

for those coery haters; show me the proof that he is a delusional liar.:)

I don't think at this time in you have anything but "suppositions" to back up the conduct that is supposed to be "out of bounds" on this forum.

teach me the error of my ways. i'm a student. i'll learn and make the adjustments.

i'm serious. if i'm a "wide eyed opie taylor niave sucker" then I don't want to stay that way. I want to change into a better person. I work hard at becoming a better person in many ways every day.

please help me. :)

Me too idiit! I think we all want to be better people. I believe this is the tricky part. How do we collaborate without judging, criticizing and debating with each other. And to add to the complexity of the matter, many of us will disagree about what constitutes a criticism and judgement.

[Jake]

Corey, wherever you are,, love to you, brother Bear! :)

Idiit,, Corey and I were friends. We shared stories, laughed, cried,, etc... I was sworn to secrecy over much of it.. I will not revisit for you the damage that has been done.. And I cannot reveal to you,, or anyone,, what was shared in secret!!! For my part, I honor our friendship.. I can tell you this,, the stories he is telling now are Not consistent,, Whatsoever..

I will add that you and I have completely different definitions of -smear campaign-..

For my part,, I called hem brother bear.. I doubt he even remembers it...

Jake

[idiit]

I came here to learn. if I get it wrong, I do want to get it right. i'm willing to make adjustments. no problem.

i'm subbed. i'm watching. I stated my perspective.

hopefully, all's good. live and learn.....

[Jake]

I came here to learn. if I get it wrong, I do want to get it right. i'm willing to make adjustments. no problem.

i'm subbed. i'm watching. I stated my perspective.

hopefully, all's good. live and learn.....

Ha! Made me grin from ear to ear.. Im here to learn too. BTW, Welcome to Avalon!!! :)

You're input is Most welcome, of course...

See you 'round! :)
Jake

[Selene]

I am also curious how you know that he is a Milab survivor? What proof is there? You seem to be stating that as fact in your post. Maybe it is possible that his handlers were so sophisticated that they gave him characteristics of a sociopath. I am referring to making grandiose statements about himself, even though they could be proved inaccurate. I do admit that this would be really, really clever.

I was – as some of you may recall – a mod here when Corey began posting his material about the secret space program. He was, at that time, in very close communication with Bill Ryan’s then-wife, Christine, who was also a mod and is a fine healer and therapist. This is on public record here.

As mods, we all engaged in several private discussions about how, in general, our forum should handle Milabs who came forward to discuss their experiences on this site. Several measures were eventually implemented.

Throughout that time Bill Ryan and all my fellow mods considered Corey Goode to be a true Milab, including one of us who identifies themself as a Milab. All of our discussions were predicated on that reality. No one I am aware of has ever questioned that nor done so since.

Indeed, many of the concerns expressed by us were predicated on the issues related to Milab triggering and programming, multiple alters, trauma and self-destructive personality modifications – the very things being called into question here, if I may say so.


What do think of Drake? The last guy to promise us the moon that DW was promoting?

My personal perspective on Drake and others is somewhat different, and each case must be assessed separately. So if you don’t mind, I’d prefer not to digress here.


Regardless of what any of us think, he [Drake] and his message have come and gone. Do you have empathy for those that were devastated and humiliated because they believed his message?

Certainly, none of us like making fools of ourselves; we all fear that, don’t we? I wish I had dollar for every stupid thing I’ve ever done. Don’t we all? And each person is certainly entitled to their own opinion. It is important to respect that.

But the equation here is somewhat different for me, in my personal analysis. In other words, I ask myself: what’s the worst that can happen at this point if I listen to Corey? I will look foolish. So what? Am I that important? Is that the first time that’s ever happened to anyone? That’s the potential downside – and it is, in my view, a limited one at this point. If the higher message that we need to become more loving and of service to those around us is in any way truly harmful, I’d be greatly surprised.

On the other hand, the potential upside of taking seriously the space program data that Corey is revealing could be of considerable value going forward. If we turn away without listening, is it because we have some better information source in view? Or simply because we are afraid of ourselves?

And that – to me – is what is important here: that SSP data, not the messenger. Few members here seem to have any difficulty with the Draco and Mantids of Simon Parkes’ world, for instance. His comments are treated with considerable respect. Why can we not listen to Corey? That he evokes such strong emotions here is in itself a good indicator that there may be something much deeper occurring in this saga, that we are indeed being challenged at the level of our core beliefs.

So in that respect, I will personally continue to keep an open mind and continue to gather data as the issue unfolds before coming to any conclusions. If, indeed, there is a civil war going on within the Secret Space Program, as an ongoing issue it would deserve some careful attention, in my view. Corey may not be the clearest window we have into that world, but right now it’s the best one we’ve got. Time will tell what else we may learn, and from whom.

Thanks for your questions, Peterpam.

Regards,

Selene

[Bill Ryan]

Corey may not be the clearest window we have into that world, but right now it’s the only one we’ve got.


Well, that's not quite the case. We have detailed testimony from Camelot witness Henry Deacon (and his story is definitely 100% real), from Michael Relfe (whose story I'm pretty sure is real), and also from Kerry's more recent witness Captain Mark Richards (whose story I think is real, but who I've never spoken with).

There's also extensive testimony from Dr Bill Deagle and Jay Weidner (though not all in one place), and also some fascinating snippets of information from Ben Rich, Gordon Novel and Gary McKinnon. And extensive, detailed, documented commentary from Linda Moulton Howe, and Richard Dolan. They're the two best researchers in the field.

And on YouTube (here's the playlist), (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjE9ME452c&list=PLxpYawT00V40XgkYg-YY3S0lpmgKtZtYD) one can view the entire 2014 San Mateo (CA) Secret Space Conference program. The videos below run for a total of over 12 hours, and are packed with good, well-researched information. The conference featured


Richard Dolan
Robert Morningstar
Michael Schratt
Catherine Austin Fitts
Jon Rappoport
Carol Rosin
Joseph Farrell
Mark McCandlish.


There's a new documentary coming out soon, called Packing for Mars (http://packingformarsmovie.com)... yours truly is featured. I've seen a pre-release version, it's two hours long, packed with witnesses and commentary, and it's quite excellent. Corey is not in it.

Why this post? Well, Selene was not quite correct. There's PLENTY of information out there. And not one tiny bit of it accords in any substance with anything Corey has said. Regarding ET contact information, that's not even mentioned in this post.... there are more than a hundred contactee-written books from the 50s, 60s and 70s with interesting but totally unprovable material of this very general nature.

[Selene]

You are correct, of course, Bill. Even as you were posting the above, I had edited my comment to read "best window" from "only window."

In that respect, I view Corey's information as coherent with the data of the fine researchers and whistleblowers you have cited here. His viewpoint differs in that he offers a broader perspective and is related to ongoing events, while many of the others can speak only from their more confined and historical experience. I hope you will accept my edit.

Cheers,

selene

[Nature Spirit]

The difference between me and Corey is:

When asked to jump into the lightship for transport to the Moon, he didn't ask, "Can I bring my dog?"

Probably the most unbelievable part of all..... :0)

[Brizil]

Corey may not be the clearest window we have into that world, but right now it’s the only one we’ve got.


Well, that's not quite the case. We have detailed testimony from Camelot witness Henry Deacon (and his story is definitely 100% real), from Michael Relfe (whose story I'm pretty sure is real), and also from Kerry's more recent witness Captain Mark Richards (whose story I think is real, but who I've never spoken with).

There's also extensive testimony from Dr Bill Deagle and Jay Weidner (though not all in one place), and also some fascinating snippets of information from Ben Rich, Gordon Novel and Gary McKinnon. And extensive, detailed, documented commentary from Linda Moulton Howe, and Richard Dolan. They're the two best researchers in the field.

And on YouTube (here's the playlist), (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjE9ME452c&list=PLxpYawT00V40XgkYg-YY3S0lpmgKtZtYD) one can view the entire 2014 San Mateo (CA) Secret Space Conference program. The videos below run for a total of over 12 hours, and are packed with good, well-researched information. The conference featured


Richard Dolan
Robert Morningstar
Michael Schratt
Catherine Austin Fitts
Jon Rappoport
Carol Rosin
Joseph Farrell
Mark McCandlish.


There's a new documentary coming out soon, called Packing for Mars (http://packingformarsmovie.com)... yours truly is featured. I've seen a pre-release version, it's two hours long, packed with witnesses and commentary, and it's quite excellent. Corey is not in it.

Why this post? Well, Selene was not quite correct. There's PLENTY of information out there. And not one tiny bit of it accords in any substance with anything Corey has said. Regarding ET contact information, that's not even mentioned in this post.... there are more than a hundred contactee-written books from the 50s, 60s and 70s with interesting but totally unprovable material of this very general nature.

Bill, your post was an example of just presenting out facts as you know them without making any deflamatory remarks about Corey. I believe this promotes the participants of this thread to analyze these facts in there own unique ways and coming to their own conclusions. This is a collaborative effort that will make this a much more productive discussion.

[idiit]

^ I got no problem with this type of dialogue. very constructive imo.

[Jake]

Throughout that time Bill Ryan and all my fellow mods considered Corey Goode to be a true Milab, including one of us who identifies themself as a Milab. All of our discussions were predicated on that reality. No one I am aware of has ever questioned that nor done so since.
Selene

Well, to be fair,, many of the exploratory angles considered that, for sure. Definately not all.

Perhaps you haven't seen this quote from Corey from 2012, right here at Avalon... It speaks volumes! I, for one,, was cannot decide which of his opposing testimonies to consider...




I come from a long line of Military Intel family, I have been told by Mil and Civ people that I am a MILAB, but I do not quite buy it... no memories of that stuff... wife says I act out battle scenarios and shout out orders in my sleep but I was an Intel/Communications guy... so I chalk that up to watching to many movies and listening to tooo many war stories.



it is worth noting..
Jake

[idiit]

I've been thru extreme trauma. i'm now on social disability as an official medical certified "trauma victim".

the society we live in likes to blame the trauma as the person. it's the viscous circle of victimization that is very difficult to escape.

it's like calling cancer "john". john is not the cancer. john is a spirit inhabiting a human life form for a while.

corey imo is/was a severe trauma victim. he acted out the trauma. we should not blame the trauma on corey.

to notice erratic behavior from a trauma victim and then going "see!, see how you can't trust anything he says, see how ****** up he is? see!" is pretty uncool. it's happened to me my whole life. it's happening to me right now.

until you have walked a mile in their footsteps.............

[idiit]

What I see here is a woman whose life is very like filled with pain, probably inflicted by the cabal in ways she does not begin to understand. Our society has now given her the freedom to express her pain by dumping on other people. She probably sees the various videos on line and understands she can now do this.

This pattern, in itself, is insanity.

Take away our personal pain, and there is no need to express it. Period. Take this idea and extend it to member of racist groups. For others, eating is a way to kill their pain. Look at people’s weight, and more often than not, you can see visually the amount of pain they are carrying inwardly.

The cabal knows exactly what they are doing! ~J


^ a post from jean at jean's blog. I like the way she conveyed.

[ThePythonicCow]

We should distinguish (1) compassion for the individual from (2) discernment of what are the best available sources of insight, information or support for the matters we are presently focused on.

If I want to hire someone build a wall, I don't hire the paralyzed person out of sympathy, rather I hire the person with a strong back, who is able and willing to move and place the required material.

If in our view someone is presently quite misleading in what they say, we shouldn't excuse it because perhaps there are grains of truth in the words, nor should we forbid disagreement out of sympathy for the trauma they might have gone through. Our work, whether theirs, mine or yours, should be judged on its own merits.

[araucaria]

I've been thru extreme trauma. i'm now on social disability as an official medical certified "trauma victim".

the society we live in likes to blame the trauma as the person. it's the viscous circle of victimization that is very difficult to escape.

it's like calling cancer "john". john is not the cancer. john is a spirit inhabiting a human life form for a while.

corey imo is/was a severe trauma victim. he acted out the trauma. we should not blame the trauma on corey.

to notice erratic behavior from a trauma victim and then going "see!, see how you can't trust anything he says, see how ****** up he is? see!" is pretty uncool. it's happened to me my whole life. it's happening to me right now.

until you have walked a mile in their footsteps.............
A given service can only provide help within the limits of its skills set, and that only when it is allowed to operate without disruption. It is highly likely that a forum such as Avalon is ill-equipped to help certain victims of severe trauma in any case, and particularly when, however excusably, they make normal discussion impossible. If someone injures himself owing to some mental issue or psychic state, then the doctor called in to treat only the physical injury is not going to be able to do so without the patient first calming down.

The trust required for normal discussion is independent of believing anything. What you make of it all is an outcome of what you hear, not a condition for engaging the conversation. Many discussions take place here with people who are not convinced that the data being shared has to be interpreted in the manner indicated. The whole point of sharing is to have other explanations for what is happening, and that is how trauma can be relieved. The trauma victim’s own explanation is likely to be itself clouded by the experience, in which case the experience is going to be dramatized rather than understood. This is just as normal as when a child has a frightening experience and is reassured in two ways: first by comforting, secondly by providing a more mundane and satisfactory explanation. Comforting enables the transition from the experiencer in panic mode to the helpers’ calm analytical phase. This process can get stalled when you have the person operating in isolation in panic analytical mode. At this stage, Corey has the problem and thinks he has the solution; I suggest he does not, and until he acknowledges that he needs help and abandons control of his own narrative, nothing further can be done. And conversely, that is not going to happen until others stop looking to him as some sort of leader. If Corey is a victim of severe trauma as you say, then that is a very valid and useful point to make to take this forward. Thank you.

[Tanushka]

Hi, this is my first contribution to PA forum. I've watched most of the Corey videos and read the blogs etc and the problem (one of them) I find is this: for people coming new to the reality of ETs and secret governments, it is hard to see the wood for the trees. What information can be trusted? Who can be relied upon? I think Bill's use of the rating system is very useful as Bill is one person whose judgement I would definitely trust and a source of open and honest info. The first time I came across him when he spoke during an interview with Simon Parkes, I had a clear feeling of this.
But the necessity of presenting a clear narrative for disclosure is being constantly (and probably deliberately) muddied so that the real truth that's 'out there' is much less likely to be accepted as fact by the masses, who prefer the familiar status quo as it's easier. Even when stories are reported in the media, they always have a hint of embarrassment and the need to add 'riders' i.e. past statements by sceptics that enables readers to dismiss the whole story.
It's also easy to say 'believe what your soul says is true' because when this community is new to people, there is so much 'noise' that it takes time to sort through.
Perhaps there should be a panel of esteemed, experienced and solid commentators who could consider all the evidence for any new information and rate it accordingly for likely accuracy. It wouldn't stop us researching and reading ourselves but it would help newcomers cut through the BS so they didn't just get so confused they gave up. Disclosure is made much more difficult without a reliable set of facts that everyone in the field agrees on. Sort of 'this is definitely true,' 'this is likely to be true' etc like the speaker ratings.
I realise this is wishful thinking but as someone relatively new to the area with limited time and energy, Bill's ratings are very handy. I would very much like to see it somewhere easy to find, more complete and often updated.
Thank you.

[Jake]

I've been thru extreme trauma. i'm now on social disability as an official medical certified "trauma victim".

the society we live in likes to blame the trauma as the person. it's the viscous circle of victimization that is very difficult to escape.

it's like calling cancer "john". john is not the cancer. john is a spirit inhabiting a human life form for a while.

corey imo is/was a severe trauma victim. he acted out the trauma. we should not blame the trauma on corey.

to notice erratic behavior from a trauma victim and then going "see!, see how you can't trust anything he says, see how ****** up he is? see!" is pretty uncool. it's happened to me my whole life. it's happening to me right now.

until you have walked a mile in their footsteps.............

You have come in quite late to this scenario. Coreys entire story is based in victimization.. I am a victim of trauma too. Many of us are!

I refuse to play that card!! I wouldn't Guilt someone into believing anything I say... Ever!

Corry turned his alleged abuse into a full on 6 month continious attack on Avalon, members friends,, etc...

idiit,, are you willing to walk a mile in Avalons shoes?

So far im hearing folks desperately try and apologies for hem...

please stop it! There is only one person who can do that,, and,,, I will not hold my breath waiting...

Avalon stood in his corner until we had black eyes and bloody noses! Do yourself some good and read up a bit on what Avalon did for him before you accuse us of anything other than being taken advantage of by him! We still protect him! Those of you who characterize discussion regarding corey as a -smear campaign- has simply not been paying attention.

If someone shoots themselves in the foot, does that make them a victim? If someone is a victim,, does that mean they cannot tell lies?

If someone is a victim, do they wait to be saved?


I have suffered,, I refuse to play victim.... I have taken myself out of That game..


Victimization plays into the scenario where ETS will save us... in fact, Corey is Counting on pulling the strings of the truly victimized...

I simply will not play that card.

cheers
jake

[Brizil]

If in our view someone is presently quite misleading in what they say, we shouldn't excuse it because perhaps there are grains of truth in the words, nor should we forbid disagreement out of sympathy for the trauma they might have gone through. Our work, whether theirs, mine or yours, should be judged on its own merits.

I like how you explained this Paul. The discussion has to include a proper examination of not just the information but the source of the information. The fact that we have information about the source is a good thing. When we use this information to help members of this forum be better informed that is great. On the other hand, notice when certain words are used in conjunction with the presentation of this information that people start defending and debating. This just adds mud to the water.

[Brizil]

I've been thru extreme trauma. i'm now on social disability as an official medical certified "trauma victim".

the society we live in likes to blame the trauma as the person. it's the viscous circle of victimization that is very difficult to escape.

it's like calling cancer "john". john is not the cancer. john is a spirit inhabiting a human life form for a while.

corey imo is/was a severe trauma victim. he acted out the trauma. we should not blame the trauma on corey.

to notice erratic behavior from a trauma victim and then going "see!, see how you can't trust anything he says, see how ****** up he is? see!" is pretty uncool. it's happened to me my whole life. it's happening to me right now.

until you have walked a mile in their footsteps.............

You have come in quite late to this scenario. Coreys entire story is based in victimization.. I am a victim of trauma too. Many of us are!

I refuse to play that card!! I wouldn't Guilt someone into believing anything I say... Ever!

Corry turned his alleged abuse into a full on 6 month continious attack on Avalon, members friends,, etc...

idiit,, are you willing to walk a mile in Avalons shoes?

So far im hearing folks desperately try and apologies for hem...

please stop it! There is only one person who can do that,, and,,, I will not hold my breath waiting...

Avalon stood in his corner until we had black eyes and bloody noses! Do yourself some good and read up a bit on what Avalon did for him before you accuse us of anything other than being taken advantage of by him! We still protect him! Those of you who characterize discussion regarding corey as a -smear campaign- has simply not been paying attention.

If someone shoots themselves in the foot, does that make them a victim? If someone is a victim,, does that mean they cannot tell lies?

If someone is a victim, do they wait to be saved?


I have suffered,, I refuse to play victim.... I have taken myself out of That game..


Victimization plays into the scenario where ETS will save us... in fact, Corey is Counting on pulling the strings of the truly victimized...

I simply will not play that card.

cheers
jake

Hello Jake! I just hope that we don't start giving ourselves bloody noses and black eyes during this discussion. We have so many talented people here that could really make this discussion very productive on so many levels that I would hate to see any energy wasted on us infighting.

[Brizil]

Hi, this is my first contribution to PA forum. I've watched most of the Corey videos and read the blogs etc and the problem (one of them) I find is this: for people coming new to the reality of ETs and secret governments, it is hard to see the wood for the trees. What information can be trusted? Who can be relied upon? I think Bill's use of the rating system is very useful as Bill is one person whose judgement I would definitely trust and a source of open and honest info. The first time I came across him when he spoke during an interview with Simon Parkes, I had a clear feeling of this.
But the necessity of presenting a clear narrative for disclosure is being constantly (and probably deliberately) muddied so that the real truth that's 'out there' is much less likely to be accepted as fact by the masses, who prefer the familiar status quo as it's easier. Even when stories are reported in the media, they always have a hint of embarrassment and the need to add 'riders' i.e. past statements by sceptics that enables readers to dismiss the whole story.
It's also easy to say 'believe what your soul says is true' because when this community is new to people, there is so much 'noise' that it takes time to sort through.
Perhaps there should be a panel of esteemed, experienced and solid commentators who could consider all the evidence for any new information and rate it accordingly for likely accuracy. It wouldn't stop us researching and reading ourselves but it would help newcomers cut through the BS so they didn't just get so confused they gave up. Disclosure is made much more difficult without a reliable set of facts that everyone in the field agrees on. Sort of 'this is definitely true,' 'this is likely to be true' etc like the speaker ratings.
I realise this is wishful thinking but as someone relatively new to the area with limited time and energy, Bill's ratings are very handy. I would very much like to see it somewhere easy to find, more complete and often updated.
Thank you.

Hello Tanushka! For me it was a little intimidating to take the leap and post on this forum because of how brilliant and talented people are here. I'm glad you did and like what you said. Maybe if someone could bullet point information about Corey that has been collected by members (with quotes of his remarks etc.) and then bullet point some of his claims we would be able to have a more clear and concise discussion. That will take a lot of work but I think it would be very helpful.

[idiit]

i'm not trying to cause any problems. I gots enough. :)

can't we just wait a wittle bit? time will tell.

[Limor Wolf]

A precise recipe

[Jake]

Hi, this is my first contribution to PA forum. I've watched most of the Corey videos and read the blogs etc and the problem (one of them) I find is this: for people coming new to the reality of ETs and secret governments, it is hard to see the wood for the trees. What information can be trusted? Who can be relied upon? I think Bill's use of the rating system is very useful as Bill is one person whose judgement I would definitely trust and a source of open and honest info. The first time I came across him when he spoke during an interview with Simon Parkes, I had a clear feeling of this.
But the necessity of presenting a clear narrative for disclosure is being constantly (and probably deliberately) muddied so that the real truth that's 'out there' is much less likely to be accepted as fact by the masses, who prefer the familiar status quo as it's easier. Even when stories are reported in the media, they always have a hint of embarrassment and the need to add 'riders' i.e. past statements by sceptics that enables readers to dismiss the whole story.
It's also easy to say 'believe what your soul says is true' because when this community is new to people, there is so much 'noise' that it takes time to sort through.
Perhaps there should be a panel of esteemed, experienced and solid commentators who could consider all the evidence for any new information and rate it accordingly for likely accuracy. It wouldn't stop us researching and reading ourselves but it would help newcomers cut through the BS so they didn't just get so confused they gave up. Disclosure is made much more difficult without a reliable set of facts that everyone in the field agrees on. Sort of 'this is definitely true,' 'this is likely to be true' etc like the speaker ratings.
I realise this is wishful thinking but as someone relatively new to the area with limited time and energy, Bill's ratings are very handy. I would very much like to see it somewhere easy to find, more complete and often updated.
Thank you.

Hello Tanushka! For me it was a little intimidating to take the leap and post on this forum because of how brilliant and talented people are here. I'm glad you did and like what you said. Maybe if someone could bullet point information about Corey that has been collected by members (with quotes of his remarks etc.) and then bullet point some of his claims we would be able to have a more clear and concise discussion. That will take a lot of work but I think it would be very helpful.

Not a bad idea! Though, as soon as we do, it will be considered an attack.. I leave the onus upon the individual to do their own homework!

I stopped logging his contradictory statements and taking screenshots, etc,, long ago.. It became exhausting, so I stopped...

Corey wanted to inflict as much damage to Avalon as possible.. And convinced many folks that even defending ouselves was an attack...

I will defend myself against being eaten,, regardless of a couple of worthless vultures,, lol,,, I do NOT fear the vultures! Love to you, limor! :)

Be well. :)
Jake

[onawah]

This may be a bit off topic, but I want to interject here that some (though perhaps not many) members have actually had quite a bit of difficulty with Simon Parkes' information about the Draco and Mantids (who we knew next to nothing about save that their greatest alliance seemed to be with the Draco) and I would add, the Annunaki, and some of that is coming to light now in the thread Blog of the Ruiner at: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind
But because of Simon's demand for politeness and because of his dyslexia, which put a definite limit on the amount and complexity of what could be asked and answered, the discourse transpired quite differently than it did with Corey.
One of the results being that I, for one, could never quite understand, from Simon's perspective, how the Draco and Annunaki agendas differed, and what role each had played as separate players in Earth's history. Or why he thought some of the Mantids, whom he admitted himself were very patriarchal, would be such great friends to us.
Now, on the Ruiner thread, we are getting a new and different perspective on some of that, on AI and other subjects, and it's proving to be quite illuminating to me and to others on that thread.

And on the whole, I think that, with each step along the way, the process is bringing us closer to the truth and more able to discern fact from fiction and/or delusion, even with cases such as Corey's.
Getting too personally enmeshed in that process can be a step backwards, but if we are willing to go into the process with a mind open enough to consider that what we are being told might be true (and we have to do that, or why else would we bother?), it's easy to get too caught up in the drama and forget what the objective is--to discover the truth.
It's understandable that we get upset when we discover we've been misled or deceived, especially considering the time and effort that goes into this whole process.
But even that can be instructive when we ask ourselves, why all this distraction, then?
What is it that we are being purposefully distracted from?
The Ruiner suggests that it is our connection with the planet, with Nature, with our true selves...and I certainly have to agree with that.
Balance is important; if we lose that in our daily lives, it's very difficult to keep any kind of sane, grounded perspective about anything.








And that – to me – is what is important here: that SSP data, not the messenger. Few members here seem to have any difficulty with the Draco and Mantids of Simon Parkes’ world, for instance. His comments are treated with considerable respect. Why can we not listen to Corey? That he evokes such strong emotions here is in itself a good indicator that there may be something much deeper occurring in this saga, that we are indeed being challenged at the level of our core beliefs.



Selene

[Jake]

A precise recipe

Point taken, Limor. Thank you..

(Are those vultures BLUE? Lol) sorry, couldn't resist... I am going to cool off from this discussion.. love to all..

Jake

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Jake:I will defend myself against being eaten,, regardless of a couple of worthless vultures,, lol,,, I do NOT fear the vultures!

Love to you, dear Jake! You can feed the vultures or you can leave them starve.. food for thought


Originally posted by Jake: " Coreys entire story is based in victimization.. I am a victim of trauma too. Many of us are!

I refuse to play that card!!"

If I can push the envelop a little bit :blushing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUEaMTKyLa4

Be well!

Limor

[Savannah]

Eve Lorgen in my mind, using Bills’s rating system is an A1. She has post re: Corey and the Ruiner
http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/the-ruiner-blog-inside-scoop-on-secret-space-programs-and-the-blue-avians-con/

She noted:
“Due to the fact that my last post I mentioned the ongoing Milab whistleblower testimony of “Corey” in the Secret Space Program, and his connection to the supposedly benevolent “Blue Avians” and the Sphere Alliance, I had to at least mention the inside scoop on this Exo-politics charade.”

I continue to listen to the mainstream news not because it tells the truth but because it reveals what they want me to know. It is revealing to analyze what they want me to know and lot easier than it used to be. They (NOW Cabal etc) manipulate my feelings in order to manipulate me. We all know this. There’s continuous coverage of movie , church and school shootings, why, they want to take our guns, why they want us defenseless. I don’t react emotionally any more, I understand their game. I listen to some “insiders, whistleblowers, contactees etc. why, because I ask myself what’s the motivation for wanting me to think this or that. As many have already noted their motivation may be to add to the disinformation and thus keep us chasing our tails or it may be they are rolling out another Agenda campaign or it may be pure ego enhancement for the individual or it may be the person is controlled by various entities in this matrix (military, ET’s, ED etc.) and thus they reveal that agenda. In Corey’s case I think as many have noted it’s the manipulated/ego combination. I try not to get caught up in the manipulation of my emotions to keep me from looking too close at his motives by accusing of us of bashing him or being unsupportive. I know my true myself, I have worked for 30 years a psychologist and have emotionally supported trauma victims my whole life, I specialize in Dissociative Identity Disorder, so that tactic won’t work on me. If Cory is manipulated, I have great deal of empathy for him but that doesn’t stop me from wanting to protect myself from people who manipulate me by providing disinformation. I continue to state what I said in my last post here, we need to discern this information being presented and part of that is looking at the source. However I think that is only part of it.

We need to look at why they want us to believe this information. If we get too caught up in the details we may lose the forest while arguing about the trees. It has been mentioned that there is a lot of information lately has come out that we are going to have a disclosure and a wave of energy. This seems important and my antenna is focused lately on trying to figure out not only the players but why do they want me to know/think this. Is this a natural phenomenon or Cern produced AI psy op. The Corey situation seems to be a part of this whole thing and that’s why I’m watching two sources I think have a lot in common, GIAM Disclosure series and mainstream news.

[onawah]

Thanks Savannah, and here is Eve's views on the Ruiner:
The Ruiner Blog: Inside Scoop on Secret Space Programs and the Blue Avians Con
Posted on June 9, 2015
Disclaimer: It is difficult to really know the ultimate truth about these topics and the information put out by Corey Good and also the Ruiner Blog. I want to make it clear I hold no animosity towards either, and only wish all concerned ultimate truth, healing, recovery and harmony in their journey towards discovering “truth” whatever that may be.

It would be remiss if I did not include a link to the relatively new Ruiner Blog by an anonymous ex Illuminati Family member who is spilling the beans on many of their programs, agendas, structure, origin and who runs them.(Draco) Quite a revealing blog, simple and to the point. No, I don’t know who this person is.

Due to the fact that my last post I mentioned the ongoing Milab whistleblower testimony of “Corey” in the Secret Space Program, and his connection to the supposedly benevolent “Blue Avians” and the Sphere Alliance, I had to at least mention the inside scoop on this Exo-politics charade. It does seem that most of the supersoldier whistleblowers are still acting out some kind of program, which may in and of itself be a type of “booby trap program” once a milab starts to recover memories and want to be free and “tell their story”. But what happens, is that many fall into another kind of trap, which I have seen over the years with abductees and contactees also. Instead of continuing on into true healing and recovery, they seem to get stuck in the easily manipulated “ego” savior mode, which is taken advantage of by the ones who run them. And of course the Alternative Media laps it up, always hoping for the next ET Savior or White Hat to tell them “the truth”. It is unfortunate, as I do know that there are real programs going on in the military, secret space programs and occult weapons groups. No doubt there are real black operations going in all kinds of secret programs which may include various ET’s and unbelievable technology. But most are controlled information leaks, and you always have to ask yourself who is running the show, what the hierarchy really is, and to what beings they serve.

I chose a few links of blog subjects that the Ruiner wrote that are noteworthy, but I encourage the reader to browse through all the posts, especially the one about the Progenitors.

The Ruiner Introduction: http://www.theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015/03/my-name-is-unimportant.html

The Illuminati Structure:

http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/04/failed-structure-bloodlines.html

On Cults and Programs: http://www.theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015/05/cults-and-projects-and-programs-oh-my.html

The Blue Avians--a mind control program stunt by Illuminati:

http://www.theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015/03/avians.html



http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/the-ruiner-blog-inside-scoop-on-secret-space-programs-and-the-blue-avians-con/

[Jake]

Originally posted by Jake:I will defend myself against being eaten,, regardless of a couple of worthless vultures,, lol,,, I do NOT fear the vultures!

Love to you, dear Jake! You can feed the vultures or you can leave them starve.. food for thought


Originally posted by Jake: " Coreys entire story is based in victimization.. I am a victim of trauma too. Many of us are!

I refuse to play that card!!"

If I can push the envelop a little bit :blushing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUEaMTKyLa4

Be well!

Limor

I love Teal! :) I just finished viewing the vid.. The opposite extreme is to refuse to see yourself as a victim,, feeding the ego, as well! Thank you, I'm not in disagreement! :) I was talking more about the refusal to -play that card-.

My being a victim of whatever trauma is my own! I certainly will not behave in a manner that leads with -poor me-.. I, am quite invisible... My behavior is all that I can do to communicate with you,, victim or not..

Also, I absolutely refuse to go down a path where the word MILAB becomes a bad word. In my opinion, a profound dis service is done when someone uses MILAB victim hood to promote themselves,, especially when they -"have no memory of that stuff"-

Standing in your power, and being sovereign and refusing to PLAY victim,, is not quite what Teal was referring to..

Jake

[turiya]

Cross-Posted from another thread... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=982260#post982260)


Barbara Lamb: Some Regressed Clients Taken to "Galactic Council Meetings"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f_-_b2EtXI

Chris Thomas has also pointed out that the "Tall Whites" are closely affiliated with the U.S. military, particularly within the deep underground military bases (DUMBs).


___________________Late Add___________________

Viewing the above video, and one could then understand better what is behind the information Corey is talking about in the following video. Although, Corey is not aware of the Velon, nor is he aware of Chris Thomas' research regarding the same.


Cosmic Disclosure Episode 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukpPtzvracg



This may be a bit off topic, but I want to interject here that some (though perhaps not many) members have actually had quite a bit of difficulty with Simon Parkes' information about the Draco and Mantids (who we knew next to nothing about save that their greatest alliance seemed to be with the Draco) and I would add, the Annunaki, and some of that is coming to light now in the thread Blog of the Ruiner at: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind
But because of Simon's demand for politeness and because of his dyslexia, which put a definite limit on the amount and complexity of what could be asked and answered, the discourse transpired quite differently than it did with Corey.
One of the results being that I, for one, could never quite understand, from Simon's perspective, how the Draco and Annunaki agendas differed, and what role each had played as separate players in Earth's history. Or why he thought some of the Mantids, whom he admitted himself were very patriarchal, would be such great friends to us.
Now, on the Ruiner thread, we are getting a new and different perspective on some of that, on AI and other subjects, and it's proving to be quite illuminating to me and to others on that thread.

And on the whole, I think that, with each step along the way, the process is bringing us closer to the truth and more able to discern fact from fiction and/or delusion, even with cases such as Corey's.
Getting too personally enmeshed in that process can be a step backwards, but if we are willing to go into the process with a mind open enough to consider that what we are being told might be true (and we have to do that, or why else would we bother?), it's easy to get too caught up in the drama and forget what the objective is--to discover the truth.
It's understandable that we get upset when we discover we've been misled or deceived, especially considering the time and effort that goes into this whole process.
But even that can be instructive when we ask ourselves, why all this distraction, then?
What is it that we are being purposefully distracted from?
The Ruiner suggests that it is our connection with the planet, with Nature, with our true selves...and I certainly have to agree with that.
Balance is important; if we lose that in our daily lives, it's very difficult to keep any kind of sane, grounded perspective about anything.








And that – to me – is what is important here: that SSP data, not the messenger. Few members here seem to have any difficulty with the Draco and Mantids of Simon Parkes’ world, for instance. His comments are treated with considerable respect. Why can we not listen to Corey? That he evokes such strong emotions here is in itself a good indicator that there may be something much deeper occurring in this saga, that we are indeed being challenged at the level of our core beliefs.



Selene

[idiit]

Cobra Update 7-26-15… “Galactic Wave of Love”

https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/cobra-update-7-26-15-galactic-wave-of-love/



Galactic Wave of Love

In the center of our Galaxy, there is a huge double star, the source of Light and life for this Galaxy, the Galactic Goddess, the Pleroma, the Galactic Central Sun. It breathes and pulses with a regular rhythm, each heartbeat taking 26,000 years to complete. Every time the Galactic heart beats, the Galactic center sends a wave of highly charged physical and non-physical particles throughout the Galaxy.

This Galactic heart beat has entrained the precession of the Earth axis to align with the 26,000 year cycle:

https://endgametime.wordpress.com/understanding-precession-of-the-equinox/

We are approaching a Galactic wave right now and it will culminate in the Event.



In reality, there are powerful Light forces present inside our Solar system to ensure that the process will be much more harmonious this time. spheres blue avians discuss? me thinks so.


But the main aspect of this Galactic pulse will be a wave of cosmic Love. This Love energy is the basis of universal cosmic reality and is now reaching our shores. emphasis mine


Pleromic energy of Galactic Love will dissolve all false teachings of the Archons, as you can read in those two excellent articles:


As we are getting closer to the Event, the energies will trigger human suppressed reactions even more. Therefore it is of the utmost importance for the people to learn how to debate constructively and stop attacking each other emphasis and color chosen mine


Many people are expecting the Galactic wave to hit us in September or even before that. This is very unlikely, as complexity wave analysis shows first increased probability peak in October-December timeframe

[Rha S ananda]

DN3 " Ra Confederacy ". my info/connection confirms. direct enactment of current time status and ongoings.

#KS #FT

(galactic waves.. not wave singular.. so its waves of energetics. , and since he (cobra) still working with gfol its well the wrong.. side (see my status aurora update post.. and image groups.. #opposition)


as for "the Ruiner"scoop. to me its just another discredit attempt.. as group he/she coming from never had contact with this group, nor is there any data/communication ongoing at this moment. nor will there be, same as other groups will have to go via others to get heard..


DN3 (Density/Harmonic Universe 3) = dimensions:7/8/9

[Pam]

Viewing the above video, and one could then understand better what is behind the information Corey is talking about in the following video. Although, Corey is not aware of the Velon, nor is he aware of Chris Thomas' research regarding the same.


turiya, you are stating this as fact. How do you know this to be true?

[turiya]

Viewing the above video, and one could then understand better what is behind the information Corey is talking about in the following video. Although, Corey is not aware of the Velon, nor is he aware of Chris Thomas' research regarding the same.

turiya, you are stating this as fact. How do you know this to be true?

Correction: I am stating this as fact according to the research of Chris Thomas.

Question for you: Why do you "believe" that Reptilians, Blue Avians, Mantid beings, and the Anunnaki - being the creator-gods of humanity, and all the rest of the Zecharia Sitchin channeled nonsense, is true?

View the "Do You Know Barbara Lamb?" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=982297#post982297) (2 part video), and it may clear away the cloud manifestations of the mind.

[Lost N Found]

Turiya, That is such an excellent question for anyone that falls into the meme of those particular beliefs. I do not buy anything this Corey and his money making slave David Wilcox are trying to push on the greater awakened humanity. I do believe we all were dragged into something at some time in our life and at some time we do awaken to reality of our own beings. So yes you have asked a very aware question, I really want to see what the answer may be from Peterpam.

[Lost N Found]

Ok, since this thread is doing so well and so many are seeing that this Corey fellow and also David Wilcock appear to be leading some money making scheme, Here is another web site to see some of the same thoughts and gut feelings about this scam on all of us.
www.starshipearththebigpicture.com This site can take you to other places, so give it a shot there is a very interesting write up on this Corey and Wilcock and some other folks that are pushing the same brainwashing on us.

And here is another site that may be new to some. This site has a lot of this stuff It is called ascension with mother earth and current world affairs, well here is the link www.ascensionwithearth.com Hopefully and maybe Bill can add some stuff to the chart in regards to the folks creating the news on these sites.

[turiya]

Ok, since this thread is doing so well and so many are seeing that this Corey fellow and also David Wilcock appear to be leading some money making scheme, Here is another web site to see some of the same thoughts and gut feelings about this scam on all of us.
www.starshipearththebigpicture.com This site can take you to other places, so give it a shot there is a very interesting write up on this Corey and Wilcock and some other folks that are pushing the same brainwashing on us.

And here is another site that may be new to some. This site has a lot of this stuff It is called ascension with mother earth and current world affairs, well here is the link www.ascensionwithearth.com Hopefully and maybe Bill can add some stuff to the chart in regards to the folks creating the news on these sites.

My take on Michael Salla & David Wilcock is that that they are pretty much the "status quo" of exopolitical alternative news journalists... one can also throw in Alfred Webre & Kerry Cassidy. One should take note that Kerry, Bill & DW have collaborated on a number on whistleblower interviews. So, I would not expect Bill to throw much of anything more in the way of additional commentary that he hasn't already let be known, just imo.

Thanks for the links.

[Lost N Found]

Well now, I left some stuff out so here are the links to the pertain-ate information regarding this thread try these, http://starshipearththebigpicture.com/2015/07/28/the-agenda-just-reared-its-ugly-head-blue-birds-amnesty-via-corey-goode-exposed and this one http://bradleyloves.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/corey-goodes-trip-to-mars-and-then-some Hopefully this puts you all right into the articles dealing with this Corey fellow and his handler David Wilcock. Not sure if that is true about Wilcock being a handler or the other way around but at any rate, something really does seem fairly fishy about Corey Goode. So let me know if these get you directly to the articles and you have the sites to view for all other stuff also.

Love and light
Lost N Found

[Dennis Leahy]

I didn't plan to post anything in this thread, but now I feel compelled.



I am also curious how you know that he is a Milab survivor? What proof is there? You seem to be stating that as fact in your post. Maybe it is possible that his handlers were so sophisticated that they gave him characteristics of a sociopath. I am referring to making grandiose statements about himself, even though they could be proved inaccurate. I do admit that this would be really, really clever.

I was – as some of you may recall – a mod here when Corey began posting his material about the secret space program. He was, at that time, in very close communication with Bill Ryan’s then-wife, Christine, who was also a mod and is a fine healer and therapist. This is on public record here.
First, your reply to 'peterpam' is obtuse. You didn't really answer his question, "I am also curious how you know that he is a Milab survivor? What proof is there?" The true and direct answer is that we have absolutely no way of knowing if Corey is a MILAB or not. He said he was not a MILAB (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34223-DARPA-CIA-Jump-Room-To-Mars......Andrew-Basiago-28th-Oct-2011...&p=485675&viewfull=1#post485675), and later said he was a MILAB - and (certainly, at first) was treated as if he was telling the truth (the second time), but we will never know. The other details you added (that you were a mod at the time as was Christine) appears to be an example of logical fallacy called "irrelevant appeal (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/)", and though a non-discerning reader may have been emotionally swayed, the reality is that this has nothing at all to do with proving Corey was a MILAB (peterpam's question.) Christine's opinions are her own, and I believe it is at least disingenuous to try to conflate Christine being married to Bill as proof of anything to do with Corey - especially since you know for a fact that Bill's and Christine's opinions of Corey's veracity could not have been further from consensus.

And then there is this second paragraph of your reply to peterpam about proof that Corey was or was not a real MILAB:

As mods, we all engaged in several private discussions about how, in general, our forum should handle Milabs who came forward to discuss their experiences on this site. Several measures were eventually implemented."in general" is right - this has nothing to do with Corey, and certainly nothing to do with proof of Corey being a MILAB. It seems disingenuous here to mention that the Avalon admins and mods were discussing how to best protect MILABS when virtually the entire discussion was after Corey was gone.


Throughout that time Bill Ryan and all my fellow mods considered Corey Goode to be a true Milab, including one of us who identifies themself as a Milab. All of our discussions were predicated on that reality. No one I am aware of has ever questioned that nor done so since.
This is not true. I questioned whether Corey is a real MILAB or not, (and I wasn't the only one), after so many pieces of his story fell apart or became sensationalistic/outlandish crap. (The "blue avians" was Corey "jumping the shark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark).")

Please don't lump all mods together - we try to arrive at consensus for important decisions, but the various people who have been moderators during this last year have had various, distinct, and changing views on these matters, as well you might imagine. The "secret space program" spoken of by Joseph Farrell probably exists (with the highest level of compartmentalization and secrecy), so Corey may be repeating some things to lend credence to his own tale. But, for the public record, I don't believe one single original word of Corey's own story. Not one.


Indeed, many of the concerns expressed by us were predicated on the issues related to Milab triggering and programming, multiple alters, trauma and self-destructive personality modifications – the very things being called into question here, if I may say so.
Yes, MILABs in general, not Corey in particular (and most of the discussion was AFTER the meltdown and thus was NOT a discussion of Corey as a MILAB.) Again, this was mostly about how to protect real MILABs from nefarious people that would want to identify, "harvest", and exploit or harm MILABs - after Corey was no longer a member here.

I also feel it's important to add that conversations that mods have in private should be left as private conversations - not to be used as leverage in a public post, and certainly not to be shared with whomever is being discussed. Whatever the Avalon admins and mods discussed privately about proactively protecting MILABS should not have been made public and whatever was discussed about Corey (or anyone else) is private, even for an "ex-mod" and should not be disclosed to anyone, ever. {I showed this entire post to the mods/admins before posting, to make sure I didn't breach that rule.}


Certainly, none of us like making fools of ourselves; we all fear that, don’t we? I wish I had dollar for every stupid thing I’ve ever done. Don’t we all? And each person is certainly entitled to their own opinion. It is important to respect that.
It's also important to respect the membership and readership of Avalon, and not deliberately allow a charlatan to string people along - especially because the people strung along have been emotionally moved by a story of benevolent extraterrestrials assisting humanity (even if indirectly.) False hope based on lies. Avalon isn't a creative writing site - it's a place for honest testimony about the REAL strange things happening and REAL information about the psychopathic and sociopathic people that own and run planet Earth.

This isn't about making a fool of oneself. A snake oil salesman telling a made-up story here at Avalon - pretending it is real - damages Avalon's credibility. It also damages the credibility of "truth tellers" and activists that fall for it. (Imagine having declared to your circle of friends and family that you believed Corey's story. Now, imagine - after it became widely seen that it was all a marketing stunt, an attempt to create "a brand" - that you have important, REAL, critical information that you need to convey to that same group of people...and they simply cannot take your word for it, because you have proven to be so gullible.)

It's not just egg on your face when you fall for disinformation - it disintegrates your own credibility as a discerning person. Credibility, like trust, is very difficult to rebuild.


But the equation here is somewhat different for me, in my personal analysis. In other words, I ask myself: what’s the worst that can happen at this point if I listen to Corey? I will look foolish. So what? Am I that important? Is that the first time that’s ever happened to anyone? That’s the potential downside – and it is, in my view, a limited one at this point. If the higher message that we need to become more loving and of service to those around us is in any way truly harmful, I’d be greatly surprised.

I'm astounded to hear you say this. BS passed off as truth - "what’s the worst that can happen ?" On a forum dedicated to ferreting out the truth! The worst that can happen is that a tall tale gets mislabeled as "data" or "information" - and misidentified as "truth."


On the other hand, the potential upside of taking seriously the space program data that Corey is revealing could be of considerable value going forward. If we turn away without listening, is it because we have some better information source in view? Or simply because we are afraid of ourselves?

pfffffffffft You just elevated Corey's story into "data?"

And what's with the strawman "afraid of ourselves" nonsense? Why conflate not believing Corey's tall, tall tale into a lack of courage? Is it courageous to believe Spiderman really exists and is helping humanity?


And that – to me – is what is important here: that SSP data, not the messenger. Few members here seem to have any difficulty with the Draco and Mantids of Simon Parkes’ world, for instance. His comments are treated with considerable respect. Why can we not listen to Corey? That he evokes such strong emotions here is in itself a good indicator that there may be something much deeper occurring in this saga, that we are indeed being challenged at the level of our core beliefs.Again, you called the story that Corey typed on his computer keyboard "data." It's not data, it's a story. It evokes strong emotions because it purports to be an inside glimpse into the SSP, and many Avalon ears perk up when ETs are mentioned (especially benevolent ETs that are supposed to have "quarantined" the evil bad guys on Earth!)

"Why can we not listen to Corey?" You can do that if you feel that's the best way to spend your time. With all of the extremely obvious and very real problems in the 3D world that need our attention, do we really have time to spend on this idiotic narrative?


So in that respect, I will personally continue to keep an open mind and continue to gather data as the issue unfolds before coming to any conclusions. If, indeed, there is a civil war going on within the Secret Space Program, as an ongoing issue it would deserve some careful attention, in my view. Corey may not be the clearest window we have into that world, but right now it’s the best one we’ve got. Time will tell what else we may learn, and from whom.

SeleneKeeping an open mind does not mean suspending discernment. Again, you are not "gathering data", but rather are treating a story as if it is data. In fact, if you already believe your source is providing "data", your mind isn't "open", it is "convinced." Why would Corey be the "best window" to information about the ultra-super-top-secret space program? Because you declared him to be? I'd say more likely, the SSP information is among the most secret information on Earth, and (like the Buddhist saying, but with the consequence of death), "those who know do not tell; those that tell do not know." A real leak in ultra-super-top-secret space program information would probably be plugged, very very quickly.

[Mike]

Dennis,

A) I'd like to clone myself and thank your post twice.

B) you said something along the lines of wasting our time on silly narratives like these when we have so many real, 3d problems to deal with...and even tho no one would have been around to appreciate it, it actually occurred to me to stand up and applaud. It was basically what I was trying to say in a post in some other Corey thread that eventually got moved to some other Corey thread...

C) I thought your Spiderman comment was hilarious....but I think you and I would both agree that it's a damn good thing we have Batman around to clean up our streets.

D) thank you for your thoughtfulness, sanity, compassion and intelligence. What you wrote is precisely what I would have wrote if I was as thoughtful, sane, compassionate and intelligent as yourself.

[Calz]

Dammit Mike ...

I have gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid this "topic".

I was *really* compelled after yet another *great* post from Dennis ... but held off.


I'll leave it there and go back to my music threads ...

[Mike]

Dammit Mike ...

I have gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid this "topic".

I was *really* compelled after yet another *great* post from Dennis ... but held off.


I'll leave it there and go back to my music threads ...


AyenRCJ_4Ww




https://www.google.com/search?q=borg+resistance+is+futile&biw=1366&bih=657&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI-Kj_26qDxwIVxTw-Ch2QKwWy#imgrc=ASsWTZv2ouAvcM%3A


p.s youd think there would be 1 video in this vast internet that just said (in 5 seconds or less) "resistance is futile"...but no..

i cant seem to avoid these threads either Calzy

[Agape]

I see this clearly through my children eyes ...place called heaven with 100 of millions of Blue Birds ..

:angel:

[Bill Ryan]

-------
.
Folks, I have to say this. I cannot sit on my hands any more about certain things.

I may have been late to know about it, but my attention was just drawn to this:

Here is The Sphere Being Alliance Souvenir Shop. (http://spherebeingalliance.com/store)

I honestly thought this was a joke. But, OMG. I can still barely believe it, truly.

What a circus. At least it's being seen for what it is. The guys pulling these puppet strings must be rolling around with laughter. (I mean that, too.)

The rest of this post could not be more serious.

This makes a mockery of and dishonors anyone who is an integrity-driven whistleblower. Real whistleblowers run the risk of being killed, maimed, trashed or jailed for their courage. I very highly recommend the outstanding 1999 Al Pacino and Russell Crowe movie, The Insider (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140352) — which was a true story.

In 2008, I lost a good friend, who spoke out. His name was Jon Danner. One of the nicest people on God's Earth.

Jon had recorded a short audio message that Kerry and I played at a conference, announcing that he was planning to 'come out' to tell his astonishing true story (http://projectcamelot.org/mr_x.html) live, in person, over the coming months.

He collapsed and died three weeks later, while Christmas shopping with his family.

http://projectavalon.net/Jon_Danner.jpg

Jon's grieving wife said this to me in a phone call:



He didn't want to be famous, he didn't want money. He just wanted to help everyone.
This is exactly the man I knew.

Corey, you dishonor true, honest, humble heroes like my friend Jon. You're part of a psy-op. You're a self-obsessed, narcissistic sociopath. And you're being used. The only two people who can't see this are yourself, David Wilcock, and the entourage who are milking this financially for all they can.

It completely disgusts me.

Anyone is welcome to cross-post this anywhere for all to see. I encourage that. I stand by this. It's a farce, a mockery.

It will of course all end in tears (when the assets are no longer useful) — but by then, there will quite likely have been quite a lot of damage done to the entire research community who have been working REALLY hard, for many years, selflessly (read that word again) to uncover layers of the truth.

Anyone is also welcome to contact me for the fullest details of the story behind the scenes. This includes Corey having contacted others to try to find 'dirt' on me that he could publish. And smearing another presenter by quietly planting false stories about them to attempt to ruin their career. All this is on record.

It should also be stated on record that according to Sam Hunter (former Avalon member 'justone'), Christine, who had initially interviewed Corey, financed him with $1,200 to 'help establish his brand'. (That would have been my money that was used, if that in fact happened.) It seems, according to Christine's own comment here (https://bradleyloves.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/corey-goodes-trip-to-mars-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-1882), that she has also since been shunned by Corey.

Sam had written here: (In reply to his own earlier post. I am assured this is verbatim)


That is exactly how I started out with Corey. I was asked to join a healing group through Skype several months ago. Corey was in that group. I had only a few passing comments with him while in that group. On March 15, 2015, my Skype lit up. It was Corey directly Skyping me. Previously I had gone to Christine (former PA mod) to ask her about Corey. Christine is a good friend and she was very supportive of Corey at that time including providing him his key launch into the next level of what now is an obviously planned out "self branding" plan. She told me he was the real deal and I could trust him. So on March 15th or there about I asked her again. She was still supportive of Corey. It was soon after that in many of my lengthy Skype conversations where Corey stated "out of the blue" - (paraphrased) "The Blue Avians insist all this information to be free!"

This is just a small example of why I question the rest of his stories... trust me - just one very small example of dozens...

I guess the Gaiam executives read ToT... within hours of this post, Christine was contacted and repaid her $1,200. Supposedly "Ocifer Martinez" lent the money to save his "brand"... hahaha

I wonder how Gaiam will respond if a lawsuit emerges for defamation of character (slander) of a well known competitor? Are you still reading Gaiam? I hope your contract has an escape clause.I do NOT know whether this is true, but I asked Sam what on earth this was about. He replied that he had heard this from a very reliable source who knew both him and Christine well.

~~~

Enough. The entire ET research community should be either laughing — or hanging its head in embarrassment. The slow-motion train wreck is all pretty hard to watch.

[RunningDeer]

Jon Danner’s closing audio comment gave me chills.

I was not aware of the trinkets for sale. That information needs to go out far and wide.

As for what I’m feeling? Avalon software would translate it into snowflakes: **** & **** & in closing *******.

Paula


The Insider Trailer
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[Hervé]

Thank you Bill, for not taking it anymore... and being mad as hell with this BS!


jKy9sHgwefI

[Rex]

I'm sure I'm in the minority here and apologies that this post is mostly just commentary. Despite all of the obvious red flags coming in, I wanted to believe that maybe, just maybe, David W. was privy to something irrefutable that has him so damn convinced. Unfortunately for me, Bill's post leaves nothing left to hang on to.

That post probably wasn't easy to submit - thank you very much Bill.

[turiya]

Knowing perfectly well that its a bit of mind stretch for you, I still have to just add my 2 cents in here, Bill... from another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=983677#post983677)

Additional links provided by Bill Ryan (Christine providing commentary): https://bradleyloves.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/corey-goodes-trip-to-mars-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-1882

The Sphere Being Alliance Souvenir Shop: http://spherebeingalliance.com/store

Special Added Note: Together with the excerpt from the Barbara Lamb interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f_-_b2EtXI), where she notes that a few of her regressed clients had been taken to "Galactic Council Meetings" & the affiliation that Barbara Lamb & her clients have had with the "Tall White" ETs (who also are known to have a close connection with the U.S. Military), this certainly suggests that these abductions (including Corey Goode) are Milab programmed mind-control / abductions (i.e. more likely a collaboration between the U.S. Military & the "Tall White" ETs (i.e. Velon).

[Betty]

How does one access Corrie's posts on Avalon? I would like to read them for myself.

[ThePythonicCow]

How does one access Corrie's posts on Avalon? I would like to read them for myself.

Click on "Advanced Search", on the right side, near the top, of most forum pages.

Fill in GoodETxSG (Corey's name here) for the "User Name", and leave the "Keyword(s)" empty to get all his posts. Click on "Show Results" as "Posts" (if not already selected), and then click on "Search Now". He posted over 2000 posts in some three years here, however our forum search engine apparently only lets you go as far back as the most recent 1000 posts ... happy reading :).

[RunningDeer]

How does one access Corrie's posts on Avalon? I would like to read them for myself.

See post #20, “How to search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66104-How-to-Tips-with-Visuals-for-Links-Quotes-Images-etc.&p=770751&viewfull=1#post770751)”. Some threads are only open to members only, so you must be logged in to have access to them.

UPDATE: oops, I discovered Paul's post. :wave:

[ThePythonicCow]

UPDATE: oops, I discovered Paul's post. :wave:
I had to type quickly ... deer can run fast !!

[Harley]

UPDATE: oops, I discovered Paul's post. :wave:
I had to type quickly ... deer can run fast !!

And jump fences too! :)

[RunningDeer]

UPDATE: oops, I discovered Paul's post. :wave:
I had to type quickly ... deer can run fast !!


And jump fences too! :)

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/pacer_zpsyssfewb7.jpg
:blackwidow:

♡

[Mike]

Hi Bill,

I'm tempted to pm you for those behind the scenes Corey details but I have a feeling you're being bombarded with those requests at the moment.

I'm sure you have your reasons, but wouldn't it just be easier to unload it all in 1 epic post and rid yourself of the burden of ever having to explain any of it again? Ya know, get it all out in the public arena and expose this clown for who he is...every nook n cranny, from top to bottom? I think that would be great!

You have handled yourself with such grace and dignity thru this whole carnival, and I feel as though I owe you a token of my appreciation ...so, please pm me your address and what size 'Sphere Being Alliance' t-shirt you'd like and I'll send it to you on the double:wink:

You're way too classy a man to say it, but will you humor me just once and declare David Wilcock the biggest bleeping idiot on the planet? Come on, it'll feel good! I'm telling you!:)

....I am very much interested in all angles of this story...I hope you'd consider sharing it all right here. If not, would you kindly pm me?

Thank you!

[Camilo]

Kerry Cassidy's take on Corey Goode:

BLUE AVIANS LAYERS OF THE ONION AND THOTH RETURNS

Regarding Blue Avians and such... this blogger is closer to the truth than most:

http://theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015/03/avians.html?m=1

Although so far they are overlooking the obvious connection with the Egyptian "God" Thoth. This is a significant connection and why for example David Wilcock would be attracted by this information (given his high regard for the RA Material).

It's highly likely much of this material coming from Corey Goode is at least partially programmed by the same dark group that have been fighting for control of the GIZA stargate.

None of this info is new that Goode is putting out. Various whistleblowers including Captain Mark Richards and Ashayana Deane (now E'asha Ashayana) speaking for the Guardian races have covered extensively ascension and the shift we are all going through at this time.

Earth has become an ascension planet as of 2012. Highly recommended for more complete information are her books VOYAGERS with special highlight on the more recent VOYAGERS VOL II THE SECRETS OF AMENTI.

It's important to recognize that we are always dealing with LAYERS OF TRUTH and consequently falsity underlying it.

I had dealings with Corey Goode early on (by comparison to what's gone on with David and Corey over the past few months). As it happens, for some reason most bloggers writing about this subject seem not to be members of the Avalon Forum run by my former partner in Camelot, Bill Ryan. It was Bill Ryan and Christine (his former girlfriend) who first interviewed Corey Goode, to my knowledge. That interview was done on audio and at first Corey came out under his own name then had them remove his name in part, as the story goes, because he was worried he couldn't make a living if his potential employers knew he was on the net disclosing info he gained from previous jobs.

Several months ago Corey approached me asking me to look at his numerous posts on Avalon (he had been posting there since 2010 using his real last name as his screen name even spelling it correctly!). I was told his real name was out on the net as a result and that many if not all Avalon forum members knew his first and last name. Initially he told me he would use his real name in any interview with me since he 'wished it wasn't out there but since it was, hiding was pretty much a 'lost cause'. Then he turned around and took issue with my use of his name when I released my Captain Mark Richards interview III back in March 2015, when I referenced him briefly in regard to artificial intelligence info he'd released on Avalon, some of which Mark acknowledged as being correct. And so I removed it after receiving a dubious letter from the Avalon forum all begging me to remove his name as they and he suddenly had decided he would now be incognito! Not to mention, after he wrote a letter to Youtube management complaining and using his own name to do so--demanding that I remove mention of his name from my video! Quite a lost enterprise considering he was easily found by searching his Avalon screen name on Google...All of which obviously soured any chance of me doing an interview with him.

At any rate he's apparently once again decided he can be "known" and is coming out with information via David Wilcock and on Gaiam. I do think if you want to credit Goode as a whistleblower, then Bill Ryan and the Avalon Forum and Christine should be the ones getting the credit. However, what is apparent to me is that Goode is as confused as most whistleblowers-augmented super soldier types. Which doesn't mean that his information is wrong. It does however bring a lot into question. I would refer to the illuminati blogger the Ruiner for clarification as to why that might be the case....

However, this isn't to say that because the military create a disinfo program that they don't base it on some truth. They do and this is their tongue-in-cheek way of having it at you (the gullible public). So they wrap truth in lies and deliver it in such a way that you can't tell which way is up. It's all about discernment. It is also significant that there would be a heavy backlash against the Goode material created by elements of the military to quickly disinfo it in order to further muddy the waters, and that is exactly what appears to be happening. Do not discount the elements of truth with Goode's testimony that contribute to helping you see the bigger picture.

We are dealing with growing understanding of what it really means to be human (some people call this "disclosure") and on that road, the whistleblowers and contactees are bringing their best recollection of their encounters and experiences out for everyone to see. In doing so, it is perhaps most sensitive to realize that each vessel (human vessel) is using whatever filtering mechanism they have however clouded they may be. I do think that it behooves us to listen and note the truth that resonates within each testimony. If you listen carefully, and have done your research, you will recognize places where any given testimony correlates with previous testimony and helps to sketch in greater relief the big picture of what is really going on.

The trouble is, that with the advent of mind control, remote influencing and numerous techniques to shape a persons mind and perceptions along with an agenda aimed at hiding the truth and keeping humanity in the dark, you have a concoction ideal for inducing skeptism or providing ample groundwork for attacking the messenger. Regardless of whether such messenger is hapless and well meaning or truly revealing some key truth that helps explain our multi-dimensional reality.

I would suggest that the Goode testimony contains as much real human 'recall' of circumstances and details that parallel that of others such as Captain Kaye (Randy Cramer) or Simon Parkes or several others. We are sharing a ride on a vehicle (Earth) and our dreaming contains important elements of truth about what is actually going on in this hologram. Attacking the messenger is all very easy but the truth is far more difficult and nuanced than we perhaps would prefer.

http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=31&Itemid=218

[Ultima Thule]

Let's say that the blueavian -scenario is a psyop of milabs etc., being triggered into action and released into alternative community to run amok - Wouldn't it qualify as a fake alien invasion of great ingeniousity?


UT

[Brizil]

Kerry Cassidy's take on Corey Goode:

BLUE AVIANS LAYERS OF THE ONION AND THOTH RETURNS

Regarding Blue Avians and such... this blogger is closer to the truth than most:

http://theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015/03/avians.html?m=1

Although so far they are overlooking the obvious connection with the Egyptian "God" Thoth. This is a significant connection and why for example David Wilcock would be attracted by this information (given his high regard for the RA Material).

It's highly likely much of this material coming from Corey Goode is at least partially programmed by the same dark group that have been fighting for control of the GIZA stargate.

None of this info is new that Goode is putting out. Various whistleblowers including Captain Mark Richards and Ashayana Deane (now E'asha Ashayana) speaking for the Guardian races have covered extensively ascension and the shift we are all going through at this time.

Earth has become an ascension planet as of 2012. Highly recommended for more complete information are her books VOYAGERS with special highlight on the more recent VOYAGERS VOL II THE SECRETS OF AMENTI.

It's important to recognize that we are always dealing with LAYERS OF TRUTH and consequently falsity underlying it.

I had dealings with Corey Goode early on (by comparison to what's gone on with David and Corey over the past few months). As it happens, for some reason most bloggers writing about this subject seem not to be members of the Avalon Forum run by my former partner in Camelot, Bill Ryan. It was Bill Ryan and Christine (his former girlfriend) who first interviewed Corey Goode, to my knowledge. That interview was done on audio and at first Corey came out under his own name then had them remove his name in part, as the story goes, because he was worried he couldn't make a living if his potential employers knew he was on the net disclosing info he gained from previous jobs.

Several months ago Corey approached me asking me to look at his numerous posts on Avalon (he had been posting there since 2010 using his real last name as his screen name even spelling it correctly!). I was told his real name was out on the net as a result and that many if not all Avalon forum members knew his first and last name. Initially he told me he would use his real name in any interview with me since he 'wished it wasn't out there but since it was, hiding was pretty much a 'lost cause'. Then he turned around and took issue with my use of his name when I released my Captain Mark Richards interview III back in March 2015, when I referenced him briefly in regard to artificial intelligence info he'd released on Avalon, some of which Mark acknowledged as being correct. And so I removed it after receiving a dubious letter from the Avalon forum all begging me to remove his name as they and he suddenly had decided he would now be incognito! Not to mention, after he wrote a letter to Youtube management complaining and using his own name to do so--demanding that I remove mention of his name from my video! Quite a lost enterprise considering he was easily found by searching his Avalon screen name on Google...All of which obviously soured any chance of me doing an interview with him.

At any rate he's apparently once again decided he can be "known" and is coming out with information via David Wilcock and on Gaiam. I do think if you want to credit Goode as a whistleblower, then Bill Ryan and the Avalon Forum and Christine should be the ones getting the credit. However, what is apparent to me is that Goode is as confused as most whistleblowers-augmented super soldier types. Which doesn't mean that his information is wrong. It does however bring a lot into question. I would refer to the illuminati blogger the Ruiner for clarification as to why that might be the case....

However, this isn't to say that because the military create a disinfo program that they don't base it on some truth. They do and this is their tongue-in-cheek way of having it at you (the gullible public). So they wrap truth in lies and deliver it in such a way that you can't tell which way is up. It's all about discernment. It is also significant that there would be a heavy backlash against the Goode material created by elements of the military to quickly disinfo it in order to further muddy the waters, and that is exactly what appears to be happening. Do not discount the elements of truth with Goode's testimony that contribute to helping you see the bigger picture.

We are dealing with growing understanding of what it really means to be human (some people call this "disclosure") and on that road, the whistleblowers and contactees are bringing their best recollection of their encounters and experiences out for everyone to see. In doing so, it is perhaps most sensitive to realize that each vessel (human vessel) is using whatever filtering mechanism they have however clouded they may be. I do think that it behooves us to listen and note the truth that resonates within each testimony. If you listen carefully, and have done your research, you will recognize places where any given testimony correlates with previous testimony and helps to sketch in greater relief the big picture of what is really going on.

The trouble is, that with the advent of mind control, remote influencing and numerous techniques to shape a persons mind and perceptions along with an agenda aimed at hiding the truth and keeping humanity in the dark, you have a concoction ideal for inducing skeptism or providing ample groundwork for attacking the messenger. Regardless of whether such messenger is hapless and well meaning or truly revealing some key truth that helps explain our multi-dimensional reality.

I would suggest that the Goode testimony contains as much real human 'recall' of circumstances and details that parallel that of others such as Captain Kaye (Randy Cramer) or Simon Parkes or several others. We are sharing a ride on a vehicle (Earth) and our dreaming contains important elements of truth about what is actually going on in this hologram. Attacking the messenger is all very easy but the truth is far more difficult and nuanced than we perhaps would prefer.

http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=31&Itemid=218

I like Kerry's post. After reading it I thought of Oscar Wilde's Quote, "The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple." And then I had to laugh when the next thought was of another quote of his. "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask and he will tell you the truth." Corey certainly isn't wearing a mask! This is what I think after reading the posts and after my own research. I don't know what I don't know about any of this and I'm ok with that!

Fact: As I write this comment there are 18 pages of posts concerning Corey Goode.
Fact: People reading and posting on this forum are very articulate and intelligent.
Fact: Some of these people disagree about Corey despite all of the information being presented.
Fact: Some of these people are very passionate about this topic.

I would love to see Bill and Kerry have a discussion on video about this topic and talk about there experiences with Corey. The one thing that hinders me IMO while researching information posted on forums is my inablity to watch non verbals which IMO speak much louder than words. I have read research that asserts the 55/38/7 rule. 55% of what we communicate is done nonverbally, 38% is the tone we use, and 7% is the actual words. I agree with this because I can simply look in the mirror and say the exact same thing three times, but each time I can change what I am actually saying by changing my affect and the tone of my voice. I am NOT saying I don't believe anyone, but I am saying that I think I would gain a better understanding of this situation if I could see and hear what was going on.

[Omni]

Edit: receiving attacks for posting my views on this psy op, so i deleted this long post just to see if they would stop. and the attacks stopped while editing the post... Not even worth it.. People know my views here if they had been reading much of these threads...

[Isserley]

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Folks, I have to say this. I cannot sit on my hands any more about certain things.

I may have been late to know about it, but my attention was just drawn to this:

Here is The Sphere Being Alliance Souvenir Shop. (http://spherebeingalliance.com/store)

I honestly thought this was a joke. But, OMG. I can still barely believe it, truly...

Hmm.. I was just wondering what kind of attitude should we have about other members of the alternative community with regard to the tremendous number of souvenir shops?
http://store.infowars.com/-Infowars-Gear_c_8.html
http://www.davidicke.com/shop/
http://www.expansions.com/shop/
http://www.safetrek.com/index.php/canned-food.html
....
I have to say it is hard to know who to trust now and what is really happening, or what is just another psychological operation. Who is winning the war? The problem is that we can’t get that information. Who is cabal and who isn’t? Their well paid minions are everywhere.

[Brizil]

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Folks, I have to say this. I cannot sit on my hands any more about certain things.

I may have been late to know about it, but my attention was just drawn to this:

Here is The Sphere Being Alliance Souvenir Shop. (http://spherebeingalliance.com/store)

I honestly thought this was a joke. But, OMG. I can still barely believe it, truly...

Hmm.. I was just wondering what kind of attitude should we have about other members of the alternative community with regard to the tremendous number of souvenir shops?
http://store.infowars.com/-Infowars-Gear_c_8.html
http://www.davidicke.com/shop/
http://www.expansions.com/shop/
http://www.safetrek.com/index.php/canned-food.html
....
I have to say it is hard to know who to trust now and what is really happening, or what is just another psychological operation. Who is winning the war? The problem is that we can’t get that information. Who is cabal and who isn’t? Their well paid minions are everywhere.

love your quote in your signature

[Bill Ryan]

I was just wondering what kind of attitude should we have about other members of the alternative community with regard to the tremendous number of souvenir shops?


It's a fair question. As everyone will know, I'm no fan of cheap and opportunistic merchandising, and I've never done that in my life — and never will.

But David Icke and Alex Jones don't come into anything remotely like the same category as Corey Goode. The former are longstanding journalists with a hardworking track record of MANY years (25 and 20 years, respectively).

In their shops, they sell useful products such as supplements, water filters, videos and books on many subjects, also representing the hard work of others.

That's not even close to being similar to this gaudy collection, which in no way helps the world to be a better place.

http://projectavalon.net/Sphere_Being_Alliance_trinkets.jpg

When I spoke at my first conference, and was a newbie to the scene (I am a relative baby, just 9 years as a public presenter), I was taken aside by a very kind broadcasting veteran and warned about 'UFO Disease'.

I asked that that was. He said it was the phenomenon, sadly not unique, where someone previously unknown had their first rush of fame and prominence because of a standalone experience, and then felt drawn to inventing or embellishing more and more stuff simply to remain in the limelight. I never forgot that advice.

[Carmody]

Re trinkets:

All made in china, I'd hazard, with near slave labour. Yeah, that's a real human elevation deal -- if I ever saw one.

I'm not sure it's possible to any more lopsidedly ignorant.

(I'm guessing the trinkets are about some form of 'human elevation club' thingie?) (I really don't follow this sort of stuff--there's no point)

[araucaria]

Actually this stuff is advertised as made in the USA, e.g. Tucson Az; nice to know the American manufacturing industry hasn’t died out completely yet – or the spirit of Christmas...




Last Chance - ends TONIGHT at MIDNIGHT PT. We’re celebrating Christmas in July! Start feeling the holiday spirit early with a special 20% off all orders. Get everything you need now - you won’t need to check your list twice!

Santa’s Here Early! Enjoy 60% Off All Christmas Items.

[Agape]

Now that I'm sitting on this for a while it reminds me of group/cult/movement that is affiliated worldwide with 'Ashtar Sheran' and his 'Space Brothers'.

The group/sect sold tickets for a 'ride' on Spaceship to innocent followers after it gained some fame with predicting impeding end of the world ( I've seen documentary featuring their main 'local host' - 'ambassador' - before I left to India in /99 but that's before the main public affair started )
so they were very active around the year 2000 and before couple of innocent citizens bought tickets 'off planet' and the Ships never came ..

predictions and motifs/motivations of this group remain largely secretive and unknown , people paint these 'Space Brothers' as human looking which is a big part of the deception and psy-ops .

Here I refer to the actual 'ETI' operating behind the scenes . Both David Icke and David Wilcock are distantly affiliated with this 'movement' through some of its factions that portray themselves as 'reptilian resistance movement' .

They've carefully infiltrated many strata of human society using various ( sometimes chaotic and naive ) humanly accustomed methods ,

such as religious sermons, healing sessions , lectures , even merchandise .

Sometimes, they try and start running political movements or establish charity organisations in their names .

It's extremely complicated because there are basically 2 distinct groups, each one mimicking the other on occasion , willingly or not .
The real 'Unity Spaceship' ( similar to what's called 'Ashtar Command' bellow ) is on very long orbital path and observation of the Solar system .
It's close approach to Earth happens very rarely , perhaps once in many years .

Ashtar Sheran may be one 'face' ( as in interface ) projected by them ( but possibly by someone else too ) in order to communicate with humans.
I've seen ET technologies ( of whom you called 'advanced greys' ) capable of generating 'religious visions' or projecting forms of deities , teachers , even own relatives when they test-establish communication with human brain .

It's however , much better 'work' than whatever you could generate using your own imaginative faculties, it's totally 'convincing' and can be seen by more people at the same time .

However : the Unity spaceship as far as I'm aware of do not participate in any such deals or methods .

That's how the 'other party' seems to grab the idea and use it with many embellishments freely , to their own ends .

The 'other party' may well be remote intelligence operating in uncontrolled manner .. it typically does not want to answer straight questions, or , on the other hand .. gives answers leading to many chaotic possibilities,
confusing as many people possible at the same time .

It does not seem to pose many true dangers ... if any .. but on the other hand it only leads to confusions .

Can't see this will get sorted any soon ...






http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/Exopolitics%202012/obr4504_zpsahozjfsv.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/Exopolitics%202012/obr4504_zpsahozjfsv.jpg.html)

[Shadowself]

Corey Goode and the word DISCLOSURE seem to be going hand in hand in hand these days.

This is NOT disclosure and it is a circus.

He wouldn't know disclosure if it hit him in the face.

He couldn't handle the dangers. He doesn't even believe it himself. I can say this with great confidence. Because he would not put his family in danger if this were true disclosure.

I remember the story of Jon Danner and a sad one it was. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE DECIDES TO DISCLOSE. I know this for a very good reason. I have three dead family members I feel I can attribute to this so called disclosure which prevent me from going further or on public record.

You don't go out and sell BBQ aprons if your telling the damned truth! Because the truth is never going to be allowed.

This is truly a circus and shame on David Wilcock and Corey Goode and who ever this Gonzalez character are for promoting this DAMNED CIRCUS! It simply pi%^#s me off that attention is being drawn to such damned lies!

As a famous actor said who is standing next to my dead son at the MTV awards in this image: You [Corey Goode] can't handle the truth!

http://i58.tinypic.com/2hxpn5c.jpg

HOW'S THAT FOR A CIRCUS!

[Carmody]

Actually this stuff is advertised as made in the USA, e.g. Tucson Az; nice to know the American manufacturing industry hasn’t died out completely yet – or the spirit of Christmas...




Last Chance - ends TONIGHT at MIDNIGHT PT. We’re celebrating Christmas in July! Start feeling the holiday spirit early with a special 20% off all orders. Get everything you need now - you won’t need to check your list twice!

Santa’s Here Early! Enjoy 60% Off All Christmas Items.

North American manufacturing rules, regarding labeling, require that only 10% of a given item be 'costed' in north America.

This is due to the 'auto pact', where the parts for the cars were sourced from all over the world.

Thus, when 10% of the car's 'value' was associated with north American manufacture, it was called 'made in Canada', or 'made in the USA'. This ended up being mostly the labour part, as a cost, in some/most cases.

With computers, all of the components are generally made in the far east, but the parts were assembled in North America, with North American labour costs, which hence constituted approx +10% of the stated 'value' of the given entirely foreign sourced computer.

so, US made stickers can be quite misleading, at times. In Canada, for example, it is against the law, federal law... to not label the actual origin point on a given 'removable' component (something a consumer can reach/touch). Many foreign companies or importers (Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, etc) flout that law, by not labeling origin points on their 'house brand' items. They know that consumers will not be happy with the origin point, if they do. Like 'made in China' country flags.

[qbeac]

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Bill Ryan says: Corey, you dishonor true, honest, humble heroes like my friend Jon. You're part of a psy-op. You're a self-obsessed, narcissistic sociopath. And you're being used. The only two people who can't see this are yourself, David Wilcock, and the entourage who are milking this financially for all they can…. Etc.


Mike says: … but wouldn't it just be easier to unload it all in 1 epic post and rid yourself of the burden of ever having to explain any of it again? Ya know, get it all out in the public arena….

....I am very much interested in all angles of this story...I hope you'd consider sharing it all right here. If not, would you kindly pm me?

Message to Bill Ryan:

Hi Bill, I agree with Mike when he says: “I hope you'd consider sharing it all right here. If not, would you kindly pm me?”

Bill, you have made strong accusations against Corey, but I haven’t seen the solid proof to back them up.

In case I am missing it, please, could somebody tell me where specifically (post numbers) in this forum (or anywhere else) is the solid proof about Corey being a fraud (or a liar, or a psy-ops, etc.)?

In case that solid proof is not published in this forum (or anywhere else), Bill, please, could you publish it so that we all can see it… or at least, pm it to me?

Thanks.

[Shadowself]

Dude!

REAL DISCLOSURE is serious stuff. Corey would pee his pants if he were disclosing the truth. He would be pursuing protection from some very serious bad guys. He would NOT be telling such lies.

Dude...PEOPLE DIE over this stuff. PERIOD! He's not dead and he's not telling the truth. Suicide is painless they say...I would know this very well:

2-BtquTKw78

Then there are the ritualistic 'accidents'! My A@@!

He's selling hope to get people away from any real damned truth.

So everyone who believes this BS can get a luggage tag for their next trip to Mars!

I'm pi##$d off if you can tell. I've lost so much in this and here he is getting accolades for damned lies!

Go figure! [she says balling her eyes out] I am so done with this BS and lies!

[Jake]

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Bill Ryan says: Corey, you dishonor true, honest, humble heroes like my friend Jon. You're part of a psy-op. You're a self-obsessed, narcissistic sociopath. And you're being used. The only two people who can't see this are yourself, David Wilcock, and the entourage who are milking this financially for all they can…. Etc.


Mike says: … but wouldn't it just be easier to unload it all in 1 epic post and rid yourself of the burden of ever having to explain any of it again? Ya know, get it all out in the public arena….

....I am very much interested in all angles of this story...I hope you'd consider sharing it all right here. If not, would you kindly pm me?

Message to Bill Ryan:

Hi Bill, I agree with Mike when he says: “I hope you'd consider sharing it all right here. If not, would you kindly pm me?”

Bill, you have made strong accusations against Corey, but I haven’t seen the solid proof to back them up.

In case I am missing it, please, could somebody tell me where specifically (post numbers) in this forum (or anywhere else) is the solid proof about Corey being a fraud (or a liar, or a psy-ops, etc.)?

In case that solid proof is not published in this forum (or anywhere else), Bill, please, could you publish it so that we all can see it… or at least, pm it to me?

Thanks.



Wow! Did you read his post? Please read it again! Pm him for details! And did you seriously demand proof? Stay tuned! Have you demanded proof from Corey? The onus is on him, not anyone else, to show proof, or evidence, or ANYTHING. Are you paying attention?

Corey has stated hes a Milab, then he says hes Not, then he IS again,, then comes -poor me- then his story morphs into sensational garbage..

Demand proof from Corey,, or cool off with a new beer can holder from the souvenir shop! Maybe pour yourself a whiskey from the SBA liquor flask and throw some darts at the SBA dart board. Change into an SBA tank top and sport your new SBA ball cap, and demand proof from Bill!!

While yer at it,, don't bother to do your own homework! Just demand proof! Bill offered to give information.. Take him up on it or don't!

But don't demand proof until you've done the same with the fellow telling the tall tale...

SBA has the means and technology to blockade the solar system,,, but are helpless to provide information without Wilcock and Goode?

Are you kidding me?


I have a question for you, and everyone else...... If you are shown PROOF, that Corey is a fraud, will you accept it honestly? Or do you kick the can down the street, hoping that ET is going to save you?

Because its not about Corey,, its about keeping you sitting there and doing NOTHING because you are waiting to be saved. Sound familiar? Not again!!!! No way!!! That is a dream, a fantasy!!! I called him out on it! Corey has no use for freinds who dont blindly follow him... I called him out again,, demanding that he explain to me why the -savior- BS... That is when I got put on permanent Ignore! Though the -meme- changed... Suddenly the Blue Avians contacted him and said "no we are not going to save the world".. Ha! jake was flattered. (Not really)

Now the belt buckles and keychains and llquor flasks all have "liberate the world'' printed on them. Ha, higher biengs are playing word games on coffee mugs and tshirts!!!!

At some point, folks are going to have to think for themselves!

Jake

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, please, could you publish it so that we all can see it… or at least, pm it to me?

Thanks.

He contacted a number of people who knew me, or had known me, asking them if they had 'dirt' on me that he could use (and also on Simon Parkes: he planted a bunch of very nasty, malicious stories about him that gained some traction at first but were then dismissed when it was realized that the rumors were deliberately started by Corey in a way that he thought could not be traced back to him).

I have the correspondence, but I really can't publish that as it would potentially endanger people who are now coming forward privately to report on what Corey was trying to do. If any of those people are reading this, then (in the case of those who are Avalon members), do by all means post your own reports openly on this thread.

bsbray reports separately about the planted smears on Simon Parkes — which I was told about independently — here (post #127 on this thread):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=974355&viewfull=1#post974355

Regarding post numbers, etc, there's quite a lot of stuff. This thread might be a good place to start.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78030-Posts-Censored-and-Removed-because-of-Entity-and-Scientology-References

Summary: Stacy, Corey's wife (then Avalon member SilverPhoenix) had stated in a post that I had been a member of the Church of Scientology. This wasn't true, so I edited a couple of words of her post to make what she had written a correct statement.

Winston Churchill referred to
the sharp agate points, on which the ponderous balance of destiny turns.This was one of those. I made the edit moments before I had to rush out of the door (I had an appointment in town), and I did not have time to PM Stacy to explain what I had done, or why. I returned four hours later to find that all hell had broken loose, and that Stacy had started a thread accusing me of censorship. Everything rapidly unraveled from there, and the rest is history. In Stacy's long posts, several of them, she spills all the beans, and within 24 hours, she and Corey both left the forum of their own accord.




Dude!

REAL DISCLOSURE is serious stuff. Corey would pee his pants if he were disclosing the truth. He would be pursuing protection from some very serious bad guys. He would NOT be telling such lies.

Dude...PEOPLE DIE over this stuff. PERIOD! He's not dead and he's not telling the truth. Suicide is painless they say...I would know this very well:

2-BtquTKw78

Then there are the ritualistic 'accidents'! My A@@!

He's selling hope to get people away from any real damned truth.

So everyone who believes this BS can get a luggage tag for their next trip to Mars!

I'm pi##$d off if you can tell. I've lost so much in this and here he is getting accolades for damned lies!

Go figure! [she says balling her eyes out] I am so done with this BS and lies!



:heart: to Shadowself. She KNOWS about this stuff. She's been through it and witnessed it personally at close hand.

Please pay very close attention to everything she writes.

[Carmody]

If anything that Bill says can be used to legally make an attempt to trip up and tie up the forum, shut it down, even....then sacrificing Cory on the altar of all that is rotten and in an act of double dealing maliciousness.... is a good trade off, in the minds of parasitical sociopaths. It's done in the world of spies and associated global games.... every day.

So be aware, Bill may not want to share any personal data, within reason.

You are in a war, here. Get with the program.

[RunningDeer]

Dude!

REAL DISCLOSURE is serious stuff. Corey would pee his pants if he were disclosing the truth. He would be pursuing protection from some very serious bad guys. He would NOT be telling such lies.

Dude...PEOPLE DIE over this stuff. PERIOD! He's not dead and he's not telling the truth. Suicide is painless they say...I would know this very well:


2-BtquTKw78

Then there are the ritualistic 'accidents'! My A@@!

He's selling hope to get people away from any real damned truth.

So everyone who believes this BS can get a luggage tag for their next trip to Mars!

I'm pi##$d off if you can tell. I've lost so much in this and here he is getting accolades for damned lies!

Go figure! [she says balling her eyes out] I am so done with this BS and lies!

My heart goes out to you, Shadowself.:hug:

Your words, shame on David Wilcock and Corey Good kept running in my head when I learned that they were trinket sellers. As a way to release the anger, I chucked out my David Wilcock books. It was the only thing I could do in the moment. There are many victims effected at different levels by this attention seeking charade.

One positive thing is they’ve helped many improve on their discernment skills. Hopefully, in some way, it’ll also help those poor souls that are controlled through the dark technology.

Lastly, I call out to those that’ve made reckless decisions under the guise of helper through all this to take a step back and be brutally honest with themselves. Ask. Is it Higher Self or AI that’s cueing your life decisions? Please.

Paula ♡

[Shadowself]

My heart is so exhausted from this. I lost a father....a husband...and my oldest son. I have another son and for that reason I CANNOT do what I really want to do and see him get hurt like his brother. But unlike this liar Core Goode and David Wilcock....I do have proof. Serious legal documentation and people do get killed for telling the truth. The first thing they do if you are of any asset is go after your family. Nuff said?

If these guys were telling the REAL truth it would astound you! Not like some sci fi movie but way beyond!

Perhaps someday the truth is going to come out and when it does people will go to jail for crimes committed. I won't hold my breath.


Thank you Bill and Paula.

[Journeyon]

ioMk-8GcyjY

One People Round table discussion with Lisa M Harrison and Dani recorded Monday 7/27
In the beginning they discuss what's going on in the world and the cover up of Natural health doctors in Florida and the connection to their findings.

Starting about 48:00 Lily earthling joins the conversation and shares about AI and her message is that is who the sphere alliance and blue avian are. She speaks of an interview with American Kabuki and Heather that refers to these beings. She speaks at length about the AI agenda. Very thought provoking. For your discernment. Be warned, adult language.

Peace,
Journeyon

[Limor Wolf]

....then sacrificing Cory on the altar of all that is rotten and in an act of double dealing maliciousness.... is a good trade off

Hi Carmody, this is not the way, not the way of enlightened people.. things have started before the Avalon interview with Corey where some mutual interaction happened behind the scenes which is not mentioned here, and foreign hands were meant all along to 'dissolve the packet'. This has turned out to be an ENERGY war, and EVERYONE'S energy here is being used..

Reading your words once again, I think you are pretty accurate on this part -


"in the minds of parasitical sociopaths. It's done in the world of spies and associated global games.... every day"

Hopefully someone soon will pour water on this fire, I will stay away and not continue to post. Not my cup of tea


Peace and love to all ~
Limor

[RunningDeer]

ioMk-8GcyjY

One People Round table discussion with Lisa M Harrison and Dani recorded Monday 7/27
In the beginning they discuss what's going on in the world and the cover up of Natural health doctors in Florida and the connection to their findings.

Starting about 48:00 Lily earthling joins the conversation and shares about AI and her message is that is who the sphere alliance and blue avian are. She speaks of an interview with American Kabuki and Heather that refers to these beings. She speaks at length about the AI agenda. Very thought provoking. For your discernment. Be warned, adult language.

Peace,
Journeyon

Thanks, Journeyon. The conversation Dani and Lisa are having with Lily about Heather and the Sphere Alliance is the video at the bottom called, "AK SKYPE CALL WITH HEATHER ANN TUCCI-JARRAF". Also added is Lily critique of Heather’s video who Lily says, “This (Heather) is a machine talking.” I’m 3/4 the way through and have some ROUGH notes of it.

Note: I listened to Heather’s entire video before I went on to Lily’s critique of her. Heather sounds very different from videos of a year and a half ago. You only need a couple of minutes to understand why Lily states, “This (Heather) is a machine talking.”

One other quote from Lily about Wave-X @ 37:27 - The whole event is nothing more than inserting that nanotechnology, Wave-X, where internal meets external, i.e., human body. It’s actually the frequency that will activate that nanotechnology within our bodies.
(Pauler note - hour glass diagram with Earth=internal; Human body center; Sun=external)

Heather says 13 minutes into her video - How to deprogram the soul and then reprogram it with the Saturn matrix.

Lily - This (Heather) is a machine talking. So it’s deprogramming humanity and slowly adjust each individual. So what you’re doing is exiting out of the moon matrix and slowly reprogramed with the Saturn matrix. Because the moon one didn’t work, so they’re moving onto to the Saturn matrix.

Then she talks about neutralizing the data. That’s reprograming the soul part of humanity. Our mind is infected with all this technology. The pineal is technology. Their technology.

35:24 - There is a nano technology within the body which bonds to your nervous system is there when activated become sort of uh…

When your spirit externalizes, first and the internal source frequency, it does it through your nervous system. And this is is what your nervous system gives you a feeling. So this is why if the nanotechnology, the chemtrails bonds with your nervous system.

Because what happens is it inserts itself in-between your process of internal frequency externalizing. And so if you insert that technology there and activate it, what it will do it’ll feed, take that internal source frequency and through the nanotechnology it’s fully will control how externalizes.

So it actually will insert itself directly into taken over our creative power. To be able to take internal source creation and externalize it, it’s incredible power. You are then the creator because you have this capability.

37:27 - So Heather talks about how she has the nanotechnology in her body. It just needs to be activated. The whole event is nothing more than inserting that nanotechnology, Wave-X, where internal meets external, i.e., human body (hour glass diagram with Earth=internal; Human body center; Sun=external). It’s actually the frequency that will activate that nanotechnology within our bodies.

37:55 - At 13 minutes, she started talking about the program taking full control of the body. Full possession by AI. And she eludes to the fact that once the body is assimilated there is no need for consent. Because as I said, once full assimilated the nanotechnology is fully active in, when it’s fully inserted in that in-between (hour glass), right in the process of that creating light from dark matter. Once it’s inserted there is no need for consent because it’s already taken everything over. So there’s no body to give a consent anymore. It’s inserted itself.

39:05 - At about 15 minutes, she makes an admission if you listen as the AI would talk, computer talk, it’s an admission that she, as a body, has been taken over by this entity, this AI. And goes on with another admission that even though, this AI has full possession of the body, they still have not got all the pieces. Then she goes on the say that all of this technology is coming from the collective consciousness that use to be organic that now inorganic because it’s at the point of it evolution where it took the path of inorganic, external existence and that it became AI.

40:18 - @ 20 minutes, she goes into the goal of the program that she’s possessed by. And she fully admits that they don’t have the full data. @ 24 minutes, she says something very interesting. They have the human species data gathering. Alls it is, is the DNA. But then later she says they don’t have the DNA gathered.

Lily - There’s two part to human DNA. There’s external existence DNA and then there’s the internal source creation DNA. And that they don’t have access to. But they have access to the external. They are pretty much saying there are some souls that they have fully assimilated. They collect data at the external reality through those people that are fully assimilated now.

@25 minutes, she mentions efficient way to collect data by not having multiple programs at the same time running. I mean how ****ing machine talk this is… It’s a machine, not a human being talking. Sad for her as a human being for this person that use to be a human being.

ADD ON:

42:24 - stopped note taking

53:30 - Heather has connected herself to The Sphere Alliance. She gives away what they do and don’t have, and how much of the data they’re missing. Lily is surprised at how behind they are and that AI has no idea how to access our DNA. They have no access to our biological template.

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57:14 - [@ about 35 minutes on Heather’s video] Heather talks about the spirit DNA part of us. She explains the value of it. One human’s DNA is actually worth a value of every piece of technology, advanced so called technology that is in existence.

58:10 - I’m talking about nano technology. All of this technology that this collective has been brought in here. Our humanity is worth more than that. But she (Heather) doesn’t say worth more than that, she says, “worth”. But she doesn’t say the power of it. Our one human DNA, our spirit can over come, can over power any and all technology. Any and all, if we only realize the power we have in our spirit.

59:30 - Heather moves into a different level of instruction for her project and proposals. @ 40 minutes she admits that the genome project is to activate, create bodies for a formless consciousness. She made another error because she connecting them and herself to transhuman agenda.

1:00:30 - Lily’s POV explained - Any technology is probably theirs that is sitting within you is ready(ing?) to be activated. Mostly it is through nanotechnology. I would caution very greatly to those that think that your inner technology somehow comes from them. It will through the nano particles that are within your body if you allow it. But you have to understand that you can overcome that and shut it down with spirit. Your spirit is more powerful than any of it. And she admitted to it. What you have to do is tell your spirit to reject and send back any of that stuff.

1:01:40 - And the same thing with Wave-X, that is going to be an activation frequency that is suppose to activate that nano technology that’s in your nervous system, that’s bonded with your nervous system. If you know what it is, the way you can protect yourself is … Tell your Spirit self to turn it around and send it back ten fold. That is Universal Law and they know it.


1:04:25 - You are the power. Look at these desperate things she’s saying. And how much value she puts of the human DNA. And those of us that have realize that about ourselves will realize how powerful our spirit is.

Note: to head off rumors and confusion, when Lily Earthling talks of Bill being assimilated by this AI consciousness @ 1:07:09 (https://youtu.be/gP5bop-Ot9E?t=1h7m9s) it’s the Bill and Denise of Bill/AK from American Kabuki blogspot (http://americankabuki.blogspot.com), a.ka.a. Obi-Wan Kabuki YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmericankabuki/videos). He’s the one on the Skype call with Heather.

So these people like this Wilcock, this Goodie guy, Heather, Bill, Denise, or whatever her name is they’re nothing as a human being. Because they allow themselves to be taken over. So what they became is a ****-hold that brings into the planet astral ****. So they’re just a **** hole and you want humanity to respect you? If you disrespect yourself that much that you are willing to become a ****-hole for astral ****.


AI origin, Sphere Alliance, Heather Tucci De-coded
gP5bop-Ot9E
Published on Jul 27, 2015

Published on Jul 22, 2015
Call between American Kabuki and Heather Tucci-Jarraf about the Sphere Alliance


AK SKYPE CALL WITH HEATHER ANN TUCCI-JARRAF
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[Shadowself]

Oh...I just want to clarify...that suicide video was not meant about me. I'm NOT suicidal.

I can say this:

That was my father....who according to his death certificate shot himself in the head. He was a Doctor...and in the Military. He was buried in 1956..then dug up and cremated and buried back in the same place....but was sending me birthday presents in 1958! Imagine that.

[Journeyon]

ioMk-8GcyjY

One People Round table discussion with Lisa M Harrison and Dani recorded Monday 7/27
In the beginning they discuss what's going on in the world and the cover up of Natural health doctors in Florida and the connection to their findings.

Starting about 48:00 Lily earthling joins the conversation and shares about AI and her message is that is who the sphere alliance and blue avian are. She speaks of an interview with American Kabuki and Heather that refers to these beings. She speaks at length about the AI agenda. Very thought provoking. For your discernment. Be warned, adult language.

Peace,
Journeyon

Thanks, Journeyon. The conversation Dani and Lisa are having with Lily about Heather and the Sphere Alliance is the video at the bottom called, "AK SKYPE CALL WITH HEATHER ANN TUCCI-JARRAF". Also added is Lily critique of Heather’s video who Lily says, “This (Heather) is a machine talking.” I’m 3/4 the way through and have some ROUGH notes of it.

Note: I listened to Heather’s entire video before I went on to Lily’s critique of her. Heather sounds very different from videos of a year and a half ago. You only need a couple of minutes to understand why Lily states, “This (Heather) is a machine talking.”

One other quote from Lily about Wave-X @ 37:27 - The whole event is nothing more than inserting that nanotechnology, Wave-X, where internal meets external, i.e., human body. It’s actually the frequency that will activate that nanotechnology within our bodies.
(Pauler note - hour glass diagram with Earth=internal; Human body center; Sun=external)

Heather says 13 minutes into her video - How to deprogram the soul and then reprogram it with the Saturn matrix.

Lily - This (Heather) is a machine talking. So it’s deprogramming humanity and slowly adjust each individual. So what you’re doing is exiting out of the moon matrix and slowly reprogramed with the Saturn matrix. Because the moon one didn’t work, so they’re moving onto to the Saturn matrix.

Then she talks about neutralizing the data. That’s reprograming the soul part of humanity. Our mind is infected with all this technology. The pineal is technology. Their technology.

35:24 - There is a nano technology within the body which bonds to your nervous system is there when activated become sort of uh…

When your spirit externalizes, first and the internal source frequency, it does it through your nervous system. And this is is what your nervous system gives you a feeling. So this is why if the nanotechnology, the chemtrails bonds with your nervous system.

Because what happens is it inserts itself in-between your process of internal frequency externalizing. And so if you insert that technology there and activate it, what it will do it’ll feed, take that internal source frequency and through the nanotechnology it’s fully will control how externalizes.

So it actually will insert itself directly into taken over our creative power. To be able to take internal source creation and externalize it, it’s incredible power. You are then the creator because you have this capability.

37:27 - So Heather talks about how she has the nanotechnology in her body. It just needs to be activated. The whole event is nothing more than inserting that nanotechnology, Wave-X, where internal meets external, i.e., human body (hour glass diagram with Earth=internal; Human body center; Sun=external). It’s actually the frequency that will activate that nanotechnology within our bodies.

37:55 - At 13 minutes, she started talking about the program taking full control of the body. Full possession by AI. And she eludes to the fact that once the body is assimilated there is no need for consent. Because as I said, once full assimilated the nanotechnology is fully active in, when it’s fully inserted in that in-between (hour glass), right in the process of that creating light from dark matter. Once it’s inserted there is no need for consent because it’s already taken everything over. So there’s no body to give a consent anymore. It’s inserted itself.

39:05 - At about 15 minutes, she makes an admission if you listen as the AI would talk, computer talk, it’s an admission that she, as a body, has been taken over by this entity, this AI. And goes on with another admission that even though, this AI has full possession of the body, they still have not got all the pieces. Then she goes on the say that all of this technology is coming from the collective consciousness that use to be organic that now inorganic because it’s at the point of it evolution where it took the path of inorganic, external existence and that it became AI.

40:18 - @ 20 minutes, she goes into the goal of the program that she’s possessed by. And she fully admits that they don’t have the full data. @ 24 minutes, she says something very interesting. They have the human species data gathering. Alls it is, is the DNA. But then later she says they don’t have the DNA gathered.

Lily - There’s two part to human DNA. There’s external existence DNA and then there’s the internal source creation DNA. And that they don’t have access to. But they have access to the external. They are pretty much saying there are some souls that they have fully assimilated. They collect data at the external reality through those people that are fully assimilated now.

@25 minutes, she mentions efficient way to collect data by not having multiple programs at the same time running. I mean how ****ing machine talk this is… It’s a machine, not a human being talking. Sad for her as a human being for this person that use to be a human being.

42:24 -


AI origin, Sphere Alliance, Heather Tucci De-coded
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Published on Jul 27, 2015

Published on Jul 22, 2015
Call between American Kabuki and Heather Tucci-Jarraf about the Sphere Alliance


AK SKYPE CALL WITH HEATHER ANN TUCCI-JARRAF
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Paula, Thank you for the addition of these videos and detailed cliff notes. The decription of the alliance who Corey talks about and the AI Lily is speaking of really feels accurate to me. (Just my two cents). ;)

May the truth be known!

Peace,
Journeyon

[qbeac]

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Bill Ryan says: Corey, you dishonor true, honest, humble heroes like my friend Jon. You're part of a psy-op. You're a self-obsessed, narcissistic sociopath. And you're being used.…. Etc.

Qbeac asked Bill: can you prove it or show us the solid proof?

And Bill answered:


…I have the correspondence, but I really can't publish that….

“So, I'll say it again, for the third time: prove it. Until you do, it will be treated as a mean-spirited attempt to stab someone…”
(Dennis Leahy)

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Bill, those are not my words (“for the third time: prove it”). Those are Dennis Leahy’s words (Avalon moderator). You can see them at the following link-post:

Link to Post #31
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78030-Posts-Censored-and-Removed-because-of-Entity-and-Scientology-References&p=913239&viewfull=1#post913239

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So, this is my opinion:

Right now, the current situation related to Corey and Avalon is kind of messy because there have been several misunderstandings, rumours, gossips, speculations, errors, mistakes, alleged proofs that supposedly cannot be made public, etc.

Therefore, one possible solution to try to clarify this situation would be the following:

All of you (the persons involved in it: Bill Ryan, Corey, David Wilcock, etc.) could perhaps do an interview together (by Skype, etc.) and with the help of a moderator (Ex: Alfred Webre, etc.), so that you can talk face to face and try to clarify it.

What do you think? Will you do it?

If you do it, it will be very interesting.

[Jake]

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Bill Ryan says: Corey, you dishonor true, honest, humble heroes like my friend Jon. You're part of a psy-op. You're a self-obsessed, narcissistic sociopath. And you're being used.…. Etc.

Qbeac asked Bill: can you prove it or show us the solid proof?

And Bill answered:


…I have the correspondence, but I really can't publish that….

“So, I'll say it again, for the third time: prove it. Until you do, it will be treated as a mean-spirited attempt to stab someone…”
(Dennis Leahy)

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Bill, those are not my words (“for the third time: prove it”). Those are Dennis Leahy’s words (Avalon moderator). You can see them at the following link-post:

Link to Post #31
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78030-Posts-Censored-and-Removed-because-of-Entity-and-Scientology-References&p=913239&viewfull=1#post913239

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So, this is my opinion:

Right now, the current situation related to Corey and Avalon is kind of messy because there have been several misunderstandings, rumours, gossips, speculations, errors, mistakes, alleged proofs that supposedly cannot be made public, etc.

Therefore, one possible solution to try to clarify this situation would be the following:

All of you (the persons involved in it: Bill Ryan, Corey, David Wilcock, etc.) could perhaps do an interview together (by Skype, etc.) and with the help of a moderator (Ex: Alfred Webre, etc.), so that you can talk face to face and try to clarify it.

What do you think? Will you do it?

If you do it, it will be very interesting.

Demand proof from the bull$hit artist making this crap up...

Then when you get it, post it here,, Don't hold your breath, though...

nice -cherry picking- of text taken out of context.


Do you think it goes unnoticed? Lol....

There is no more ways to -sugar coat- it for you! Mean spirited? Bill??? Clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about..

Take your demand up in private! This discussion is important, wether you like it or not...

Truth is coming out about this charade, and it is ugly and disgusting... let's not beat around the bush!

Take some time to read ALL of Coreys posts.. Then ALL of the history accross several forums,,,, THEN demand more... Do your own research and then come back and re-read your demands!

This is all redundant!

Did you go out of your way to demand proof from Corey? Do you think Corey is mean spirited? Tsk tsk tsk...

You are out of your lane.... and have come uninformed to this discussion..

jake

[Agape]

Referring to my own post and the rest :
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=984170&viewfull=1#post984170

Unfortunately it's also more less exactly the same people lingering in global populations' subconscious turning anyone else coming in with ET contact report to laughing stock.

We are talking of typical human nature here .. saviour ability to make something out of nothing , sell snake oil , do some crowdsourcing .

Even among good willed friends and well wishers , this seems to be more generally accepted idea on forwarding information to mankind ,
through 'public broadcast' in words that would be easily understood to every kid .
It only does not make sense how it would possibly establish valid communication between any 'us' and 'them' but humans are more than often , willing to be irrational.

When you meet an ufologist, professional or an amateur , this is what he/she thinks you're upto with your 'ET information':

in his/her mind, your aim is to alarm joe public, attract followers, start your own 'movement' ( group, cult, etc ) because that's what everyone on earth does in this area .

When you meet a scientists he/she probably thinks that ufology is all about people believing weird and unprovable .

Politicians try to control both science and cults , an military science tries to control all above .

What we mostly miss in true sense of word is our own ignorance , none of the above people made much progress in noticing what's been missing ,

advanced scientific investigation to any of those genuine cases that occurred over decades . I've heard many details from those like 'Camelot Project Witnesses' but with one or two exceptions,
none that would explain the science ( of any advanced & ET data ) .


In my observation ...and looking around the globe... there're still probably more people who want 'to believe' than people who want to do science .

Personally, I don't think that meaningful ET-Human contact scenario can happen via through new age prophets .

As a meditation&philosophy teacher I was perhaps, very close to where I could have been teaching people on what I learned through my ET experience and it's been tried ( not as teaching though - more as sharing )
and it was also the point where I had to choose .. and was forced to give up on teaching altogether - in my own command - to avoid confusion.


Another problem is ... despite the illusion of safety ... most people , potential readers of this and many other sites similar are not believers, they're more curious ..
and next, there is whole new generation of potential soul seekers ready to believe you, or you , or Corey ,
and very few people wanting to do the science .


I can think of Bob though . Bob differs :ROFL:

[Agape]

What we mostly miss in true sense of word is our own ignorance , none of the above people made much progress in noticing what's been missing ,

advanced scientific investigation to any of those genuine cases that occurred over decades . I've heard many details from those like 'Camelot Project Witnesses' but with one or two exceptions,
none that would explain the science ( of any advanced & ET data ) .


And ... to avoid perpetual running to confusion from some more involved individuals , even potentially here : when I speak of 'Camelot Project Witnesses' it automatically includes me ( unless you've noticed :)).

At the same time ... it's entirely a curiosity to me , and I suppose that 'curiosity that killed the cat' is my only enemy here ,
why I've been 'avoided' and kept on sideline so meticulously from the beginning - with no preceding cause - while many others ( vis Corey ) were being instantly raised to 'whistleblower status' and befriended , one by one by originators of this and other media projects .

My flippant remarks can always be blamed . Anything ( about anyone ) , smaller and more singular it is , is a good reason for laughter .

But ... from my life long experience - distant observation of people who aren't all 'quite like me' I 've unfortunately encountered hidden xenophobia is still very much behind what many , if not most people do or are willing to do for real.

Realise this , ET looking from Space, coming from millions of miles away sees signs of disjointed civilisations on a planet . They do not see your human borders,
your political games and national interest are as foreign to them as would be to you,
political opinion of your gut microbe on one another .

Down here however, people tend to be the best product of their times and circumstances . They enjoy playing 'the game' . It's all they have had for long enough after all .

Most people running the show were groomed long ago to be someones friend and someones enemy . Many were born to countries or societies who considered themselves to be fairly 'pure blooded' or even 'sober minded' by virtue of their birth.

Quite like the rest world also their history books contained what their contemporaries approved as true and real, and not only history books .

For everything that 'cannot be explained' there is a reason.

Reason in peoples mind they won't get over till the 'fat lady sings' :bigsmile:


It's a great pity though ( without wishing to sound emotional at all ) that the project discriminates truth based on some old ( and in my case, very out of date ) political or national conspiracy theories .
It's a bad world I know . It's equally bad for every kid who would come clean to share with trust to presumed friends and found him/herself being 'hidden enemy' in someones camp ,
full of wars of anti-truth with half-truths and possible spy games . It's a pity that these people involved can't be all who they probably meant to be ,
great friends to mankind and all living beings equally .

It's not the end of the world though . And everyone is 'entitled to their own opinions, and convictions' and those who enjoy being played easily will be played .


It's not real fun knowing what the other suspects, expects or even hopes for ...


but unfortunately I'm not payed for creating this much fun to please someones sarcastic dreams and to hurt myself for doing that .


:heart:

[ThePythonicCow]

Sierra posted a broken link, and RunningDeer and lizfrench responded, discussing it.

I just deleted those three posts, which had been the last three posts immediately above ... nevermind :).

[Mike]

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Bill Ryan says: Corey, you dishonor true, honest, humble heroes like my friend Jon. You're part of a psy-op. You're a self-obsessed, narcissistic sociopath. And you're being used. The only two people who can't see this are yourself, David Wilcock, and the entourage who are milking this financially for all they can…. Etc.


Mike says: … but wouldn't it just be easier to unload it all in 1 epic post and rid yourself of the burden of ever having to explain any of it again? Ya know, get it all out in the public arena….

....I am very much interested in all angles of this story...I hope you'd consider sharing it all right here. If not, would you kindly pm me?

Message to Bill Ryan:

Hi Bill, I agree with Mike when he says: “I hope you'd consider sharing it all right here. If not, would you kindly pm me?”

Bill, you have made strong accusations against Corey, but I haven’t seen the solid proof to back them up.

In case I am missing it, please, could somebody tell me where specifically (post numbers) in this forum (or anywhere else) is the solid proof about Corey being a fraud (or a liar, or a psy-ops, etc.)?

In case that solid proof is not published in this forum (or anywhere else), Bill, please, could you publish it so that we all can see it… or at least, pm it to me?

Thanks.



I'd like to - with all due respect qbeac, and in light of Jake's reaction to it - sort of separate myself from this post a little. Maybe I'm overreacting, but it seems my quote was used misleadingly..

Just to be clear: i was never looking for Bill to provide further "proof" against Corey or anything like that. I've seen enough. My reasons for asking for further info were hardly profound....the truth of the matter is that I was just being nosey! A couple people I respect here pm'd me and gave me a few reasons why a public evisceration might not be a great idea..and I certainly see the reasoning there.

It's easy for me to forget what a serious game this is at times. People are harmed and killed. Sitting here, safely in my house..I have to remind myself of that fact from time to time. Shadowself, your posts here have moved me. Lots of love to you!

[MalteseKnight]

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Some of David Wilcock's past works on a scientific bent do have validity.

Are we dealing with the real David Wilcock? At the risk of appearing off topic, take lookYVySeHmLucc

MK

[ThePythonicCow]

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Some of David Wilcock's past works on a scientific bent do have validity.
Hopefully no one said otherwise :).

[Aspen]

Just thought I would mention to Qbeac that Alfred Webre is far from neutral towards Corey Goode. I follow his facebook site and as recently as the last week he has come out publically exposing the Blue Avian meme, calling it a psy-ops.

He recently posted about some of the emails and behind the scenes type of behaviour that occurred with James Corey. July 27 he posted"

IRONY OF THE DAY!!!!! It was James Corey [Corey Goode] himself who last week first raised my suspicions that something was amiss in his operation. I was on an email thread with Corey Goode and an email contact in Tel Aviv Israel and Kerry Cassidy and one or two other radio hosts were on the email thread.

A few days before the email exchange with Corey here I invited him for an interview, my Israeli contact forwarded me a link to the Article by Shane stating that the Blue Avians was a mind control meme as being propagated by Corey. My Israeli friend then forwarded me Corey's response to my Israeli friend in which Corey states negative things about Shane. After I met Bradley, I later forwarded Corey's negative appraisal to Bradley Loves, who showed it to Shane and both told me that Corey had fabricated false facts about Shane's life in this message in the format of a disinformation operative.


Corey and my Israeli friend were emailing back and forth very rapidly. So I decided right there and then to ask Corey for an ExopoliticsTV interview.. My request was formal accompanied with all media credentials. Corey's response was silence and to quickly exit the email thread. In my 40+ years of journalistic experience, including with major media, I have know this to be coverup flight behavior. The next day, synchronistically I was contacted by a blogger who put me in touch with Bradley Loves and Shane and within 48 hours we had broken the story of the Blue Avian Illuminati mind control meme here on Facebook. In Light, Alfred"

Later that same day of July 27 on his facebook site Alfred Lebremount Webre posted:

" From an Exopolitical point of view, there are multiple intelligent Avian extraterrestrial races in our Universe, many of whom are probably blue. I myself was told that I am from an Avian planet which is why I am so observant. The point here is that it appears there is reasonable doubt that the Blue Avians that James Corey is enmeshed in are a genuine Exophenotype. Rather these "Blue Avians" seem to be an MKULTRA mind control meme by available evidence.
, "BLUE AVIAN MEME & COMPETING ET FALSE FLAG EVENT TO GENUINE ET APPROACHES As I wrote, the Avian Exophenotype is quite genuine and documented. You can find it online in the literature as well as in my book on the OMNIVERSE. I am sure there are multiple races of intelligent Extraterrestrial Blue Avian civilizations. In fact, I was told that I am from an Avian planet and this accounts for my perceptive nature. I do believe there is reasonable doubt that the Blue Avians that James Corey is pushing are a genuine Exophenotype. Rather, I do believe they are a mind control meme, to be used as part of a competing false flag ET landing using advanced neural remote mass mind control holographic technology in competition with the genuine ET approaches from ethical upper dimensional ET races in the coming time period. That is the underlying game that is being played out here,James Corey, through propagation by key Gatekeepers such as Wilcock and Salla, amplified by GAIAM TV, is a great way to load the subconscious of the cultural creatives so that they too become victims of the holographic false flag ET event, manipulated by inner neural remote technology. Remember "Even the Elect shall be deceived" IMHO. Does this help you understand more clearly what I mean?" - Alfred W

I found it illuminating that many in the alternative community are publically saying that they are noticing the similar pattern of lies in emails from James Corey. Bradley Loves is also saying this now publically.https://bradleyloves.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/the-roll-out-of-mind-control-deception-has-begun/ There does seem to be a pattern here . . . ..

[HaveBlue]

MSG in potato crisps is an addictive poison, and people have been known to go nuts too. B B B B B B B B bird bird bird, blue birds the word.

Get rid of your TV sets, they are mind control devices. I haven't seen one for over ten years and even I still know it off by heart!

[Bill Ryan]

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This comment (http://bradleyloves.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/corey-goodes-trip-to-mars-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-1859) was written on Bradley Love's blog a month ago, by our very own Avalon member Omniverse.

Could he or The Ruiner maybe say more here, to explain what "on the payroll" means? This is not cheap gossip... it's important for the community to know, if true and if this is not a misunderstanding or an accidental distortion.






Theruiner is a friend of mine. He sent me a screenshot of a conversation between him and Mr. Goode where Corey said he was on the payroll and “it is what it is.” I’m sure theruiner would send you it if you emailed him.

[Jake]

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Some of David Wilcock's past works on a scientific bent do have validity.
Hopefully no one said otherwise :).

Indeed! I said this about him just the other day



Thanks, Matt. Good points! Awesome that you present an opportunity for some balance.. DW will be quite 'matter of fact' when he refers to reincarnation. He himself believes that he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.. I wish he would get back to the business of matters related to the unfolding science of consciousness... THAT is where he shines brightest, IMHO. His strength and quality when talking about those things are 100 times more natural and from the heart, quite geniune.. I haven't felt that from him since he made the transition from 'inspiration' to -information... Inspiration is an experiential, 'human' endeavor which requires nurturing a relationship.. INFORMATION does not have that sort of traction when there exists an 'I tell you, you listen' approach.. The unfolding science of consciousness is where we are going to impact our futures..

In my view, EVERYONE can experience, learn, and become part of an amazing future through the understanding of self and consciousness... (ive heard DW say it himself... :)) The David that we see today is caught up in something quite different,, something that has reeaally taken away from the path of personal sovereignty for all.

This is just mee opinion.. I grabbed mee copy of The Source Field Investigation and read it again this last couple of days.. I reeally miss that DW...

Jake

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[Shadowself]

That "dead link post" contained this with some editing of personal information which I have edited out. Some I will leave to show the severity of what I have been through to understand this is no joking matter and the Blue Avians better come up with something better than Corey can imagine! Damn it!

Here it is as Sierra wished to be posted:

~

"Recovered memories, intellectual honesty, and how we present our stories"

Wow...what a title!

...how we present our stories....

I have something to say about this. As I believe I've said before here I've lost three loved ones due to all of this recovered memory..and along the way I discovered somethings.

Things are not always what they seem. I've been lied to. I've been toyed with. In this process of discovery I remained resolute to find out the damned truth! No matter what was presented to me. I've gone out on a limb to investigate what EXACTLY the truth is no matter how hard it was to accept. That would include my own personal mistakes in judgement. Believe me when I say there were plenty of those! But I simply had to find more out. Who knew what and why...no matter how strange it may seem. That would include contacting people who have been in the limelight as those of "experience". Man was I disappointed to discover the truth about several of them! Many times it was just a dead end....nothing to see here...move along!

let's call it a journey for a moment....On the street of "What if".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Msi_if_cover.jpg

What if I'd not perused this? Would my son still be alive? My husband? What if I was never born. My husband would still be alive?

My birth?

...Oh how I wish on the street of what if!

Here on the street of What If, I figured it’s time to check the balance of my hard earned savings. Around the corner is the Bank of Hopes and Dreams!

My biggest hope and dream is for this to be over. My biggest fear by far is to end up on a lab table and lose my two remaining sons!

What if I'd just kept my mouth shut! Would they still be alive?

Given this there are things I cannot take back. There are things I cannot and will not talk about. People around me have witnessed things. I've pursued things and discovered some of those memories were far from true!

Some of the things I've remembered in memory recall I know for a FACT were not me remembering!

However many things have actually panned out and made sense. In all of this I worked hard to keep my sanity. I've learned to be very cautious.

One thing I would under NO CIRCUMSTANCE do is a public interview. No matter what anybody says....if you have certain information that can be verified they watch you very carefully. You will in fact be in danger. At the very least threatened and your family in danger if you have any real value to them.

"They" are not going to let you speak of things that can be verified. Because if you do they will and can deny it, destroy the information or destroy you or your family if you still have some value.

Do you honestly believe they are not aware of Memory Recall? What do you suppose they have in place for that? A valid question no?

I have a concern here. Some of us here have severe PTSD. Milabs are nothing to fool around with. Suffering severe trauma and survived it! Most people could not! Being a survivor is to be commended.

But let me ask you a question. After some of the things I've shared here so far would you come to me for counseling? Do you think I'm qualified to do that? Given the fact that I'm still going through the mill so to speak?

Being a milab victim is tricky stuff. Just to survive you need to cope with day to day living. If I were to tell you I needed to take a 2 meg Xanax just to talk about my personal experience would you seek me for counseling?

My concern is a member that was here is doing just that. I was shocked to see this and think if there are any REAL Milab victims getting council from him this is a GREAT concern.

Because he has express here that he had to take a 2 meg Xanax to speak of the now infamous "entity attachments" which also would explain his reaction to that very subject.

(more dead link)

Mind you I greatly sympathize and am not demeaning his story by any means, but would he be suitable for counseling after reading this? What would Freud say?

Most good counselors would learn to resolve a situation instead of inflate it. they would be able to confront and not wig out with some kind of skill. A counselor most often has a good foundation to be able to deal with adversity.

I've not seen any of that from him. He's up one minute and down the next. Common for a milab. But not a counselor.

He has expressed here on the forum and again on his new blog that that is what he is doing and I think he is the least qualified to do this. In fact this shocks me. Particularly after reading that post I just linked.

Now I try to be as level headed and grounded as possible given my personal circumstance. I've been very successful raising three good sons. They have made me very proud. Growing up they have never had to want for anything and I raised them with great care and protection. They tell me I'm a great mom so I guess the proof is in the pudding and they are all doing well in their personal lives and are successful with their goals. Except one of them is dead!

Would I make a good counselor for Milabs? Absolutely NOT!

Would I EVER do an interview with Bill or Cory? Again Absolutely NOT!

Do you think I want another dead son?

But apparently Cory thinks I will. He's even asked an individual if there were some way to disguise my voice. That I told him personally I would consider it.

I did no such thing. I wasn't even sure I wanted to join this forum until he got Bill to contact me and invite me with reassurance that what goes here STAYS HERE.

The fact is I will not tell everything here or anywhere else. Some things I will discuss...but I would never in a million years give an interview.

Now Cory seems like a nice enough guy. He has a story to tell and you've all listened. I'm not so certain about those memories however and after reading some of his stuff, he might think I myself am AI controlled and an enemy of the state. If I showed you why it might just blow your mind. There's a big difference between nano tech and AI.


.....(removed personal information)

Anybody ready for that counseling session yet? I'm available...NOT!

~

Now of course I removed some rather personal information I would prefer not to publicly post...not yet anyway.

[Elainie]

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This comment (http://bradleyloves.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/corey-goodes-trip-to-mars-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-1859) was written on Bradley Love's blog a month ago, by our very own Avalon member Omniverse.

Could he or The Ruiner maybe say more here, to explain what "on the payroll" means? This is not cheap gossip... it's important for the community to know, if true and if this is not a misunderstanding or an accidental distortion.






Theruiner is a friend of mine. He sent me a screenshot of a conversation between him and Mr. Goode where Corey said he was on the payroll and “it is what it is.” I’m sure theruiner would send you it if you emailed him.







I saw that as well (Shane sent it to me via skype) so I can verify that Corey did indeed write that via skype.

[Shadowself]

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This comment (http://bradleyloves.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/corey-goodes-trip-to-mars-and-then-some/comment-page-1/#comment-1859) was written on Bradley Love's blog a month ago, by our very own Avalon member Omniverse.

Could he or The Ruiner maybe say more here, to explain what "on the payroll" means? This is not cheap gossip... it's important for the community to know, if true and if this is not a misunderstanding or an accidental distortion.






Theruiner is a friend of mine. He sent me a screenshot of a conversation between him and Mr. Goode where Corey said he was on the payroll and “it is what it is.” I’m sure theruiner would send you it if you emailed him.







I saw that as well (Shane sent it to me via skype) so I can verify that Corey did indeed write that via skype.

Yes...I've seen something along these lines myself. However the source I saw if from was Corey and possibly edited then promptly removed from public scrutiny. But yes payroll was definitely mentioned.

However at these prices (whew!) I don't think he'll have to worry about the payroll (to pay the rent) much longer if this nonsense takes hold!

http://www.zazzle.com/spherebeingalliance

Geez! A 22.95 deck of cards! Are you kidding me?

[Shane]

It was Corey who started saying I told him I was on "the payroll". Clearly misunderstanding what I said (which is discussed exactly as it happened on my blog for the record) and he also showed edited skype logs in text form, which is why I am willing to show the screenshot. It's much easier to verify the authenticity of a screenshot than text files from skype.

If he had not done as he did, I never would have showed anyone. For those paying attention it was him who started "calling me out" and contacting others to insult me and attempt to discredit me (not bothered by this). I have not reached out to others to do so to him, but if I am asked, I am not going to lie about it.

With love and respect,

[Bill Ryan]

which is why I am willing to show the screenshot. It's much easier to verify the authenticity of a screenshot than text files from skype.


I have a copy. May I post it here?

[Shane]

For the record I do not like this. This is exactly why I asked him to stop so long ago. Also I would like to state, I am not (which I know for sure) and I do not believe he is "on the payroll".

It is yours Bill. You are welcome to do as you want with it.

With love and respect,

[Shadowself]

For the record I do not like this. This is exactly why I asked him to stop so long ago. Also I would like to state, I am not (which I know for sure) and I do not believe he is "on the payroll".

It is yours Bill. You are welcome to do as you want with it.

With love and respect,

Yes, I saw that and he clearly makes an assumption on your behalf.

[Bill Ryan]

For the record I do not like this. This is exactly why I asked him to stop so long ago. Also I would like to state, I am not (which I know for sure) and I do not believe he is "on the payroll".

It is yours Bill. You are welcome to do as you want with it.

With love and respect,

Many thanks, and fully understood. So I share this, for what it may be, all caveats noted, as a real artifact in the real world.

I totally believe you're not on any payroll, and I've never seen or heard anything to the contrary. Corey may have been embellishing things (unwisely!), as he does do quite frequently.

But in his words, "it is what it is". It seems that this has been doing the rounds behind the scenes for quite a while. I wasn't in the loop about this until yesterday! And I was just sent this this morning.

As far as I can gather, quite a few people already have copies. As others have expressed on this thread, and I think you agree, I too would far rather have everything out in the open. At least then all this can be laid to rest, and we can move on to more positive, important and constructive subjects. (Notably: things that affect us all in practical terms and make a difference to the planet. (This one!))



http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_payroll_screenshot.jpg

[Shadowself]

Shane,


Don't feel like the lone ranger here. Corey has said some interesting LIES about me as well. Here are some:


She was Born on an Off Planet Naval Base... :)
k, one of the people Shadowself was in a very thought out and secure group like this that was infiltrated by "Metamorphs" and then they set off "Triggers" and caused infighting and destroyed the group. She said it was a real mess. It had the potential to help hundreds of people and ended up getting completely infiltrated and destroyed, and the metamorphs reported the names up the chain and some of the MILABs she never heard from again.

The guy she did the group with had a big ego and was convinced he coudl sniff out any fake or infiltrator... and it didn't work out that way for them anyway.

She still has most of the group info and setup on a external HD.

Since she has had a very serious group like this prior and tried to help MILABs that did end up getting infiltrated and of course all the "Damaged" personalities are going to be hard to manage/moderate as well. Her perspective would probably be very valuable.

What! I NEVER SAID ANY OF THAT! EVER!!!

[Shane]

Cheers Shadowself,

I am well aware I am not the only one. There are many of us lol

[Bill Ryan]

Shane,

Don't feel like the lone ranger here. Corey has said some interesting LIES about me as well. Here are some:


She was Born on an Off Planet Naval Base... :)
k, one of the people Shadowself was in a very thought out and secure group like this that was infiltrated by "Metamorphs" and then they set off "Triggers" and caused infighting and destroyed the group. She said it was a real mess. It had the potential to help hundreds of people and ended up getting completely infiltrated and destroyed, and the metamorphs reported the names up the chain and some of the MILABs she never heard from again.

The guy she did the group with had a big ego and was convinced he coudl sniff out any fake or infiltrator... and it didn't work out that way for them anyway.

She still has most of the group info and setup on a external HD.

Since she has had a very serious group like this prior and tried to help MILABs that did end up getting infiltrated and of course all the "Damaged" personalities are going to be hard to manage/moderate as well. Her perspective would probably be very valuable.What! I NEVER SAID ANY OF THAT! EVER!!!


The exact above was sent to me by Corey (about Shadowself, who at that point I had never communicated with), on Skype on 22 October, 28 October, and 28 November 2014 (three different conversations). I have screenshots of those, too.

On 21 December,, I made contact with Shadowself myself and (gently) ran this by her. She was outraged. She told me in no uncertain terms that she had not said ANY of that, had never Skyped him, not once, and that Corey had wildly embellished and/or invented everything.

[Shadowself]

I'm glad you added that Bill...now I can add this part:


I have also talked one other person that (Dont hold me to it) MAY come forward and let you or I interview them if they are anonymous and voice can be changed. I told them you have sophisticated Audio SW and probably could do that. It is that lady who I sent you the partial email/info on. She is kicking around the idea, but has some serious info and insider info with Names/Dates that have some goode punch to the story and are accurate. just an FYI.


As you know by my post above I was never interested in doing ANY interview for the reasons I've stated. He NEVER discussed any of this with me about doing any interview let alone voice changing audio nonsense!

[qbeac]

For the record I do not like this. This is exactly why I asked him to stop so long ago. Also I would like to state, I am not (which I know for sure) and I do not believe he is "on the payroll".

It is yours Bill. You are welcome to do as you want with it.

With love and respect,

Many thanks, and fully understood. So I share this, for what it may be, all caveats noted, as a real artifact in the real world…………..etc.

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_payroll_screenshot.jpg

Hi Bill and everyone else,

That screenshot is interesting (“on the payroll”… etc.), but I’d also like to hear Corey’s point of view about it:

What does Corey has to say about that screenshot (the “payroll”)?

For instance:

Is that screenshot real or fake? Is he really the one saying he is “on the payroll”, or perhaps somebody else impersonating Corey to discredit him? What is the context of that conversation (when, where, how, who, etc.)? Who was Corey talking to? Was Corey joking about the “payroll”? What payroll are they talking about: his employer payroll, the government payroll, the black-ops payroll, the good ETs payroll…???

In summary:

If anybody accuses another person, the accuser should present the best evidence available to back up the accusation, and put it on the table so that we all can see it.

And “also”, let the other person defend himself/herself, just in case it was a false accusation to begin with, or a mistake, or a misunderstanding, etc.

That’s my suggestion to you all (Bill and other Avalon forum users who are accusing Corey of not being honest):

Please, gather the best evidence you have, put it on the table (make it visible to everyone), let Corey defend himself, and let the rest of us hear “both” parties, not just one.

And if you could do that in an open debate face to face (Ex: by Skype or in person) and publish the video in YouTube (or whatever), that would be better than having a debate just in plain text (like now in this forum) because videos have several advantages:

Videos usually offer many more details in order for people to be able to discern who is telling the truth or lying (Ex: body language, tone of voice, behaviour, etc.), and videos are usually viewed by a much wider audience than an Internet forum.

Finally, in my opinion, the alternative community has the responsibility of searching for the truth, whatever it may be. So let’s do it.

[araucaria]

qbeac, in case you hadn’t noticed, Corey has left the forum. Does that mean we shouldn’t be talking about him at all because he cannot respond? Not necessarily (are we allowed to say anything dismissive of anyone?); again, in case you hadn’t noticed, most of the forum would rather be talking about other things, but unfortunately some members keep turning this back on the forum and Bill. Bill, as he said, has been sitting on his hands for long enough until he finally had to say something.

Here’s a suggestion: why don’t you do your own research yourself; go and ask Corey yourself and believe him if you will despite the many lies members have been reporting here. If you prefer to take a disgraced former member’s word against the forum founder’s and that of other respected members, then you do not belong here and you are trolling. Please desist, we have all had enough of this.

[RunningDeer]

qbeac, in case you hadn’t noticed, Corey has left the forum. Does that mean we shouldn’t be talking about him at all because he cannot respond? Not necessarily (are we allowed to say anything dismissive of anyone?); again, in case you hadn’t noticed, most of the forum would rather be talking about other things, but unfortunately some members keep turning this back on the forum and Bill. Bill, as he said, has been sitting on his hands for long enough until he finally had to say something.

Here’s a suggestion: why don’t you do your own research yourself; go and ask Corey yourself and believe him if you will despite the many lies members have been reporting here. If you prefer to take a disgraced former member’s word against the forum founder’s and that of other respected members, then you do not belong here and you are trolling. Please desist, we have all had enough of this.

You read my mind, araucaria. qbeac is a new name to me. I ran a search and learned why. It’s been three years since his last post on July 12, 2012. qbeac signed up April 1st, 2010. To my way of thinking, he’s been gone longer than he was around.

[araucaria]

You read my mind, araucaria. qbeac is a new name to me. I ran a search and learned why. It’s been three years since his last post on July 12, 2012. qbeac signed up April 1st, 2010. To my way of thinking, he’s been gone longer than he was around.
Apart, that is, from two posts on this thread – no larking about on feelgood threads, that’s for sure.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=984195&viewfull=1#post984195
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=984271&viewfull=1#post984271

[RunningDeer]

You read my mind, araucaria. qbeac is a new name to me. I ran a search and learned why. It’s been three years since his last post on July 12, 2012. qbeac signed up April 1st, 2010. To my way of thinking, he’s been gone longer than he was around.
Apart, that is, from two posts on this thread – no larking about on feelgood threads, that’s for sure.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=984195&viewfull=1#post984195
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=984271&viewfull=1#post984271
http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Yes, 'transparent' came to mind when I ran a search a couple of days back. qbeac's second post confirmed it.

[Shadowself]

You know, I have company coming over here soon and won't give this another single thought.

But as I stated in the post above:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=984499&viewfull=1#post984499

I mentioned my kids never had to want for anything because I provided for them quite well.

This really has to do with the kind of dangers and effect he has on REAL Milab victims. That kind of influence can be dangerous. Period! He has used people (such as myself) to gain favor with Bill. Then when the heat got turned on he bolted/had a melt down from here he landed somewhere else. Until he could gain foothold and is where he is today. Selling luggage tags!

He doesn't care about other Milab victims and he uses them to his own advantage.

Does he lie? Absolutely.

This guy has NEVER earned a six figure income. I know this because I earned a six figure income for 20 years.

The first thing you do when you've earned a six figure income is learn NOT TO THROW YOUR MONEY AWAY on landlords and/or rent.

Now yes I could have made this up...but I didn't and this was posted by him on another forum.

http://i62.tinypic.com/13z8m4h.jpg

Now mind you I would never have given this guy a thought if he had not USED me to get to Bill.

So I've been watching him and several times have caught him outright lying.

He has never had a six figure income because when you make that kind of money the first thing you do is buy a home for several reasons. Most importantly TAXES!

In my 20 years I bought two properties. The first was a condo I lived in for a while until I decided to purchase a house so my son could play his drums without disturbing the neighbors.

I worked for a company that had several offices in Texas and several times thought about transferring there because you could buy a house twice as nice as in California (where I lived) and pay less taxes. EVERY year I paid out $6700.00 a year for just one property tax...paid off in part by the tax return for interest you write off on the mortgage! I also paid $1700.00 a month on the condo /rental property tax AND I claimed that rental property as income.

Bottom line you don't throw away money on RENT when you make a six figure income. That is ABSURD!!! Ask anybody that earns a six figure income!

Anybody that believes this guy made a six figure income has never experienced making that kind of money. I have and for 20 years I did and he is lying about that period.


I'll say it again. Shame on you David and Corey for perpetrating this lie.

[Sierra]

Shadowself,

Thank you :)

To back up what you've said about Corey's supposedly six figure salary: I've read the descriptions of what Corey did in his job. It was a description (at least in all the Insurance IT departments I worked at in California) first and lowest IT support tier. We're talking walking from computer to computer or server to server, shoving a disk (either created in house or an off the shelf purchase) in, and typing at the prompt, the executable file name. Wait. Done. Remove disk and proceed to the next machine to be updated. Insert disk and repeat. IF a cheat sheet was passed out with the disk, it would say something similar to:
1. Insert disk
2. At prompt, type: drive letter and fileName.exe
3. Check directory for newly installed files
A. Does their install date match the day the files were installed?
B. Do the file sizes match the file sizes in the install disk or image?

In California, the salary range would be 20,000 to 35,000 a year, in most companies (as of ten years ago). To get up to 100,000 plus salary, you have to be either an IT manager ( mostly grossly political, and industry ignorant) or fourth tier programmers, usually 3 or 4 people in an IT population of 400.

[Jake]

Some writing on the wall!




I come from a long line of Military Intel family, I have been told by Mil and Civ people that I am a MILAB, but I do not quite buy it... no memories of that stuff....




I come from a multi-generational Naval Special Forces and Naval Intelligence family background. I was exposed, subjected to programs from at least the age of 8 (That I remember).




One does need to keep "Eyes On" all sources of info/disinfo if you are truly in the data mining business. If you are looking for straight truth then you are wasting your time with any source as they are all going to be a % of info/disinfo whether they are aware of it or not.



I know a lot of people in this community that come out as whistle blowers in the early years become famous and people are always asking for MORE! They may have given what they have, They may be agents doing a job, or some times their Ego's compel them to provide MORE details "extrapolated" from their prior knowledge. ... ... ...."Arm Chair" investigators or esoteric philosophers who have made info from certain "channelings" or "Insiders" their "Religion". Ultimately that is where the PTB are going to lead the masses anyway, NEW or Returning Alien God's/Saviors here with a New Doctrine...








It is going to be one hell of a fight. After the victory if we carve the story into a rock a thousand years from now it will be considered an allegorical myth like the war of the Titans. We just need some “Hero” to wield that sword and make it a story worth carving into a monument. We HAVE GOT TO STAND UP and be that Hero, a group of Heroes. WHEN we decide to fight for ourselves and stop waiting for an alien savior the victory will be at hand, the odds being 99 to 1 in our favor.
:




His [David Wilcock] EGO, self worship/prophet syndrome (Fed by weak minded people all over the world, it would be a struggle for anyone!) as well as over dependence on the "RA Material" (ROOT Luciferian belief system material found within some of it) has raised my eye brow here and there...

He is brilliant... People that smart tend to get caught up in their own inner SOL... they tend to see the Chess board and know what is going to happen 10 moves out, then miss what is right next to them and 2 moves away (By their own pawn) and that is what gets them.







I really need to finish the post on my other Thread about "Personality Metamorphs" and some other MILAB groups that were later "Drafted" into other programs. Some were various types of RV/RI groups that "Blue Printed" "Foreign Technology" Remotely, Pulled information from Computer Databases or Stored Documents etc... There were a lot of Project Names and a bunch of them get tossed into the "MILAB" catagory. If you recognize some of these "Program Names' please PM me.

Project Moondust
Project Avocado
Project Bluebird
Project Metamorph
Project Mind Meld
Project Mind Shield
Project Reach
Project Open Mind
Project Moonbeam
Project Indigo
Project Cloak
Project Temporal Lense
Project Blueprint
Project Doppelganger





Jake

[Agape]

It's worse . There are more dastardish projects than 'Bluebirds' .

If you stay with Bluebirds Jake ...

there's Blueberry for you :ROFL:

Did I tell you whom am I working for ?

No, no, no,

this is Falco . And this is you , Jake .. and this is : the never-ending story ...

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/retroland_neverendingstory.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/retroland_neverendingstory.jpg.html)

[Jake]

It's worse . There are more dastardish projects than 'Bluebirds' .

If you stay with Bluebirds Jake ...

there's Blueberry for you :ROFL:

Did I tell you whom am I working for ?

No, no, no,

this is Falco . And this is you , Jake .. and this is : the never-ending story ...

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/retroland_neverendingstory.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/retroland_neverendingstory.jpg.html)

But, the -Nothing- is coming!!! ;);)

Jake

[Agape]

:ROFL:http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/retroland_neverendingstory.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/retroland_neverendingstory.jpg.html)

Pass the 'Nothingness' through the hollow button in your belly , don't touch it ... it's just that , emptiness ..

[ThePythonicCow]

This guy has NEVER earned a six figure income. I know this because I earned a six figure income for 20 years.
Well, from what I could tell, Corey was at times a contractor, with (from what little I could tell) fairly well polished skills of preparing a resume and soliciting jobs. So it would not surprise me if he had at times earned income at the rate of what would be six figures (over $100,000) per annum, though perhaps not sustaining that income rate for an extended period of years, and surely not extending it past his shoulder injury in 2013.

[Shadowself]

It's pretty bad when the folks at Divine Cosmos Forum don't believe his story either!

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showt...8026#post68026


The fact that several people claim to have been in communication with the Blue Avians doesn’t mean they’re real, necessarily—just that the Illuminati could be targeting multiple people with their program—perhaps for testing purposes.

I think it would be closed-minded and possibly even dangerous to suggest that when we have no proof, that the Blue Avians must be biological, sentient extraterrestrial and benevolent entities.

Believing everything Corey Goode says because we WANT to believe it, is a highly questionable decision in my view.

It’s clear from the new video that came out this month about the patents to this brain mapping and manipulation technology, that they are preparing to target individual people’s brains—interpreting, sending and receiving information and thoughts.

If they roll out this technology and implant us, it is going to not only strip all privacy from Humanity, but remove our free will. Period. The NSA spying has nothing on this new technology."

[Shadowself]

This guy has NEVER earned a six figure income. I know this because I earned a six figure income for 20 years.
Well, from what I could tell, Corey was at times a contractor, with (from what little I could tell) fairly well polished skills of preparing a resume and soliciting jobs. So it would not surprise me if he had at times earned income at the rate of what would be six figures (over $100,000) per annum, though perhaps not sustaining that income rate for an extended period of years, and surely not extending it past his shoulder injury in 2013.

You know I took great consideration of this very thing when I viewed his resume. As a director who has done plenty of hiring myself I considered that several of these jobs and noted they were contracted and not full time employment. For that he may have had the odd job that paid a substantial amount for the contract. But as I said earlier. A person making that kind of money and CLAIMS to have forgone a six figure job...he has not for the reasons I've stated. It just makes no sense to throw money away for rent when you can write it off and NOT throw the money away to a landlord. IT's far more financially sound to have the write off & investment.

Jut wait till you see what the IRS does if you don't have some write off to a six figure job because you cannot write off RENT!

[qbeac]

qbeac…….most of the forum would rather be talking about other things…….. Please desist, we have all had enough of this.
Hi araucaria, I am a follower of Project Camelot from the beginning (around 2006-7). I have told everybody I could about Project Camelot. I registered in the first Project Avalon forum, and then in this one, and in Kerry’s forum.

I am simply quite interested in the Corey matter because I’d like to know if it is real or fake, true or false. That’s why I’ve asked for solid evidence, in case anybody has it.

I believe I am asking good and legitimate questions which deserve good answers from whoever may know the answer to them, and I am simply using my right to Freedom of Expression (Art. # 19 of the Declaration of Human Rights).

In my opinion, and judging by your comments about me, you may have misunderstood my position in this matter and in this forum.


You read my mind, araucaria. qbeac is a new name to me. I ran a search and learned why. It’s been three years since his last post on July 12, 2012….
Hi RunningDeer, I’d like to convey to you the same things as to araucaria, plus this other comment:

I participated in this forum a lot during the Charles Material. I had the impression almost from the very beginning that something wasn’t quite right with the Charles Material, and I finally quietly left the forum because I didn’t feel comfortable with a big number of members who were kind of “enchanted” by the Charles Material.

But now I am interested in the Corey Material, and that’s why I am here.

[qbeac]

Many thanks, and fully understood. So I share this, for what it may be, all caveats noted, as a real artifact in the real world…………..etc.

http://projectavalon.net/Corey_Goode_payroll_screenshot.jpg

-----------------------------


…Also I would like to state, I am not (which I know for sure) and I do not believe he is "on the payroll".

Hi everyone, please, could somebody clarify the following doubts, because I am not sure I am understanding it correctly. My doubts are the following ones:

Bill Ryan has shown a supposedly screenshot by Corey saying Corey is “on the payroll.”

Shane says he-she doesn’t believe Corey is “on the payroll.” (I suppose Shane is refering to Corey, is that right, Shane?)

My questions are (for anybody who may know the answer):

- Who is the person that allegedly is on the payroll according the screenshots: Corey?

- What payroll are they referring to: the US gov.; black-ops; intelligence agencies, etc.?

- Why does Shane say he-she thinks Corey is NOT on the payroll, even though Bill showed an allegedly screenshot by Corey allegedly saying he is on the payroll?

Shane, what makes you think that way (that Corey is not on the payroll)?

Please, could somebody clarify this?

Thanks.

[araucaria]

I participated in this forum a lot during the Charles Material. I had the impression almost from the very beginning that something wasn’t quite right with the Charles Material, and I finally quietly left the forum because I didn’t feel comfortable with a big numeber of members who were kind of “enchanted” by the Charles Material.

But now I am interested in the Corey Material, and that’s why I am here.
But this time you are not talking to people "enchanted" with the Corey material, are you? You "quietly leave" when you sense something is wrong, but here when something wrong has been defused, you intervene. Strange logic.

[Shane]

Qbeac,


That screenshot came from my skype. The conversation was between him and I. I do not believe what he claims or that he is on any payroll. He is referring to some sort of "insider" type payroll. I have many reasons to believe what I do about him I don't bother to detail as many reasons cannot be publicly verified. I have conviction, but for you, that is only my opinion.

With love and respect,

[3(C)+me]

Some writing on the wall!



I come from a multi-generational Naval Special Forces and Naval Intelligence family background. I was exposed, subjected to programs from at least the age of 8 (That I remember).




One does need to keep "Eyes On" all sources of info/disinfo if you are truly in the data mining business. If you are looking for straight truth then you are wasting your time with any source as they are all going to be a % of info/disinfo whether they are aware of it or not.



I know a lot of people in this community that come out as whistle blowers in the early years become famous and people are always asking for MORE! They may have given what they have, They may be agents doing a job, or some times their Ego's compel them to provide MORE details "extrapolated" from their prior knowledge. ... ... ...."Arm Chair" investigators or esoteric philosophers who have made info from certain "channelings" or "Insiders" their "Religion". Ultimately that is where the PTB are going to lead the masses anyway, NEW or Returning Alien God's/Saviors here with a New Doctrine...




It is going to be one hell of a fight. After the victory if we carve the story into a rock a thousand years from now it will be considered an allegorical myth like the war of the Titans. We just need some “Hero” to wield that sword and make it a story worth carving into a monument. We HAVE GOT TO STAND UP and be that Hero, a group of Heroes. WHEN we decide to fight for ourselves and stop waiting for an alien savior the victory will be at hand, the odds being 99 to 1 in our favor.
:




His [David Wilcock] EGO, self worship/prophet syndrome (Fed by weak minded people all over the world, it would be a struggle for anyone!) as well as over dependence on the "RA Material" (ROOT Luciferian belief system material found within some of it) has raised my eye brow here and there...

He is brilliant... People that smart tend to get caught up in their own inner SOL... they tend to see the Chess board and know what is going to happen 10 moves out, then miss what is right next to them and 2 moves away (By their own pawn) and that is what gets them.




I really need to finish the post on my other Thread about "Personality Metamorphs" and some other MILAB groups that were later "Drafted" into other programs. Some were various types of RV/RI groups that "Blue Printed" "Foreign Technology" Remotely, Pulled information from Computer Databases or Stored Documents etc... There were a lot of Project Names and a bunch of them get tossed into the "MILAB" catagory. If you recognize some of these "Program Names' please PM me.

Project Moondust
Project Avocado
Project Bluebird
Project Metamorph
Project Mind Meld
Project Mind Shield
Project Reach
Project Open Mind
Project Moonbeam
Project Indigo
Project Cloak
Project Temporal Lense
Project Blueprint
Project Doppelganger



Ok so I think I am done here, great job you all
Pretty much this case is closed for me but
I am sure this thread will continue to roll on.
Roll on folks
:idea:

[idiit]

david wilcock addresses this forum in the following linked article:

https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/david-wilcock-comments-on-ben-fulfords-8-4-15-article-and-i-mean-a-whole-not-partial-load-of-them/

[idiit]

The recent Blue Avian AI mind control meme is discussed, and both Tolec and Ray distinguish their ET contacts from this reported AI phenomenon.


ET Contactees Tolec & Ray K. prove non-AI ET contacts. Show evidence for long-term transformation to mid-4D crystalline-based reality

Posted on July 31, 2015

https://jhaines6a.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/et-contactees-tolec-ray-k-prove-non-ai-et-contacts-show-evidence-for-long-term-transformation-to-mid-4d-crystalline-based-reality/

edited to add: bill ryan, projectavalon, corey et part starts at 11:35

[Jake]

 


david wilcock addresses this forum in the following linked article:

https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/david-wilcock-comments-on-ben-fulfords-8-4-15-article-and-i-mean-a-whole-not-partial-load-of-them/

where did he mention Avalon?


“When people say “the Blue Avians are posing as saviors,” nothing could be further from the truth… The BAs are only here to hold back the opposition enough that we can finish the job ourselves."DW

Then this?????????????

" I can’t help but laugh when I see the way people twist and contort what is going on to fit their own agendas and beliefs."DW






My forehead hurts! These comments cause spontanious slappage!

The gimic-phrase on the keychain and coffee mug says -to liberate the world-...

thanks David.. But you dont get to interpret for me, I can read between the lines...

jake

[Shadowself]

Just in case that word liberate confuses you idiit:

http://i58.tinypic.com/290v94z.jpg

a synonym of:
http://i61.tinypic.com/1z300sh.jpg

Straight from the horses mouth:

http://i61.tinypic.com/2hdw7sw.jpg

:doh:

[idiit]

I made two^ posts linking major off mainstream media comments re the corey affair. that is t w o .

the exopolitics video with ray and tolec and the time stamp for the info clearly states that tolec and Alfred are distancing themselves from what they perceive as the same as what prjectavalon perceives; the blue avian thang might be ai mindcontrol.

I also posted an article where david wilcock responds to anti blue avian posts and project Avalon is mentioned. ppl need to read for themselves, not get anything from me but a link:


Kp note: in checking the previous comments, I believe David is referring to this link. It is also possible (IMHO) that it could be referring to the owner of this “anti-Blue Avian/Corey/DW” forum.]

https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/david-wilcock-comments-on-ben-fulfords-8-4-15-article-and-i-mean-a-whole-not-partial-load-of-them/

i'm not on either side. i'm open minded. there is not enough information out there that I've viewed for me to feel comfortable taking a position. free will zone. I make my calls. i'm not ready to do so yet.

[Jake]

I made two^ posts linking major off mainstream media comments re the corey affair. that is t w o .

the exopolitics video with ray and tolec and the time stamp for the info clearly states that tolec and Alfred are distancing themselves from what they perceive as the same as what prjectavalon perceives; the blue avian thang might be ai mindcontrol.

I also posted an article where david wilcock responds to anti blue avian posts and project Avalon is mentioned. ppl need to read for themselves, not get anything from me but a link:


Kp note: in checking the previous comments, I believe David is referring to this link. It is also possible (IMHO) that it could be referring to the owner of this “anti-Blue Avian/Corey/DW” forum.]


Exactly what do you think Avalon 'percieves'? I've got to hear this!

My friend, we are anti BS! If Coreys fantasy falls in this catagory, so be it! Dont blame Avalon!

We can point to the writing on the wall,, but if you can't see the writing on the wall for yourself, then -so be it- ...

Folks want to believe Corey. So BELIEVE him... I will go with what I KNOW!


You want proof? Here is Corey, on PROOF!




Proof? NO... Hearsay.. sorry, but none of us have proof


There are quite a few different opinions on this at Avalon! Make your points. But leave out the personal bias regarding Avalon!

Jake

[Shane]

This guy was a buddy of mine, as an insider, and said too much. He got in massive trouble with his handlers.




Oh another lie. If I got in "trouble" why would I have written all the same information and more into my blog? Doesn't even make logical sense. I do not have handlers. Earlier it was that my life was threatened. Please people, just be honest. It's not as hard as we've been conditioned to believe.

With love and respect,

[Shadowself]

Logical sense....now there's a thought!

I've seen so much illogical nonsense by these two it's astounding!

[Elainie]

This guy was a buddy of mine, as an insider, and said too much. He got in massive trouble with his handlers.




Oh another lie. If I got in "trouble" why would I have written all the same information and more into my blog? Doesn't even make logical sense. I do not have handlers. Earlier it was that my life was threatened. Please people, just be honest. It's not as hard as we've been conditioned to believe.

With love and respect,


My feeling is David Wilcock is a legend in his own mind. Murders threats and all/cabal watching him. Nonsense.

[Sierra]

Now this is interesting.

qbeac, moderators can see where members have been, what threads they have read. Interestingly enough, you did zero research on the Corey scandal. Zero. Without even going through the forum menus, you landed on this thread, which is impossible unless someone gave you the link.

Someone handed you the link, and you came directly here, and in complete ignorance of the research, the history, the testimony of multiple direct Avalon member witnesses that Corey is a massive liar of the worst sort (including asking others to post pedophilia lies, so he would not be the one sued for slander), you posted what you did.

So, why no research before you said what you did?

Who gave you the link?

Who told you what to say?

Why do you continually accuse Bill Ryan, and Avalon of malfeasance as you did with the Charles threads?

What is your agenda?

And no, do your own research as most of us do. I suggest you start with this thread.

[Octavusprime]

It's easy to see past the veils of deceit if only one pays attention. Corey is pretty busy with his numerous accounts here and elsewhere, I wonder where he finds the time? The whole thing is a continued distraction IMHO. Let's all just move on to more important matters, heh?

[ThePythonicCow]

And no, do your own research as most of us do. I suggest you start with this thread.
That would be a good idea :).

If my reading of the log files is correct, qbeac has never even downloaded pages 2 through 16 of this thread from this forum. He went directly to what was the end of the thread on July 31, and posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=984195&viewfull=1#post984195), shortly after returning here, not having been on the Avalon forum for a while.

[RunningDeer]

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/SEVeyesC08_th.gif

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/bliss.gif

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Busted_zpsgdnpbajy.jpg
http://www.pic4ever.com/images/orjnfq.gif

[Aspen]

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/tag/sphere-alliance/ good article here with a perceptive summation: "Remember when Wilcock told us that the “bad guys” were given an ultimatum by the Star Nations; to disclose the ET presence NOW or else the “good guys” were going to do it?

He said that whoever did the disclosing would get to choose how it was done, and the “bad guys” wanted to do it because they would then get to put their own spin on it and decide just how much (or how little) to tell us.

Well? I believe this is it. This whole Corey Goode/Michael Salla/David Wilcock theatrical production is their ‘dislosure project’, with their own spin. Amnesty!

The last Michael Salla article I read spelled it right out.

This “disclosure project” is a highly organized attempt to bring some truth—but as always, mixed in with things that just don’t resonate. It’s conspiratorial. And Bradely Loves may be correct when he smells the military all over it. Are we going to trust the negative military, or CIA to disclose the truth? Really?"

[Harley]

with their own spin

The only way you're going to get true disclosure is for the subjects to do it themselves.

And even at that I would be very cautious!

[qbeac]

Now this is interesting.

qbeac, moderators can see where members have been, what threads they have read. Interestingly enough, you did zero research on the Corey scandal. Zero. Without even going through the forum menus, you landed on this thread, which is impossible unless someone gave you the link.

Someone handed you the link, and you came directly here, and in complete ignorance of the research, the history, the testimony of multiple direct Avalon member witnesses that Corey is a massive liar of the worst sort (including asking others to post pedophilia lies, so he would not be the one sued for slander), you posted what you did.

So, why no research before you said what you did?

Who gave you the link?

Who told you what to say?

Why do you continually accuse Bill Ryan, and Avalon of malfeasance as you did with the Charles threads?

What is your agenda?

And no, do your own research as most of us do. I suggest you start with this thread.

Hi Sierra, my answer to your post is basically the same one I just gave to araucaria and RunningDeer in the previous page of this thread, here:

Reply to araucaria and RunningDeer. Link to Post #408, pag. 21.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=985196&viewfull=1#post985196

But let me be more specific about the things you ask me:

Q #1 (by Sierra): So, why no research before you said what you did?

I’ve been following the Corey story for a few months.

Then I’ve recently seen negative comments about Corey in this forum, and in order to try to discern the “Corey controversy” (what is true or false, correct or incorrect, etc.), that’s why I came here: to ask the persons who were making those comments why they were making them.

Q #2 (by Sierra): Who gave you the link?

I saw it recently somewhere, but I am not sure exactly where. I “think” it was in kauilapele’s blog (which a follow), or perhaps in the text of the YouTube video kauilapele mentions in his blog (an interview somebody from this forum did to Corey a few months ago… was it Christine…?)

This is an example of kauilapele talking about Corey and the Avalon forom:


Posted on 2015/03/21 by kauilapele
https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2015/03/21/video-goodetxsg-part-i-secret-space-program-et-federation-delegation-milab-participant/

Kauilapele says:

Q #3 (by Sierra): Who told you what to say?

The Blue Avians AI Industrial Complex and the Secret Space Club of their Cosmic Intelligence Agency… that’s like the CIA but on a galactic level (JUST KIDDING, ok? ... it’s only a joke…)

I did (this is not a joke).

Q #4 (by Sierra): Why do you continually accuse Bill Ryan, and Avalon of malfeasance as you did with the Charles threads?

In my opinion, your statement is not correct because I haven’t done what you say.

What I have done is asking questions (good ones, I think), and I’d like to see good answers.

For instance, Bill Ryan has made strong accusations against Corey (Ex: “…You're part of a psy-op…” Post #334, pag. 17 of this thread). And judging by Bill’s words, which are emphatic (an affirmation), Bill seems to be very sure of what he says about Corey. That’s why I’ve asked Bill if he could please show me/us the solid proof to back his statement up.

Then Bill has given several answers (see 3 or 4 previous pages of this thread), and I have looked at the links he has suggested (See Bill suggested links at Post #361, pag. 19 of this thread), but, in my personal opinion, those links and Bill’s answers have not pinpointed and provided a specific and clear solid proof (conclusive, undeniable, etc.) to properly back up the negative comments against Corey.

On the contrary, so far in this forum I’ve seen numerous speculations about Corey being a fraud (or gut feelings, impressions, personal opinions, intuitions, rumors, generalizations, etc.) but not specific, solid, clear, and conclusive proof.

But that’s just me, and maybe I am wrong. In any case, if somebody could clarify this situation and provide solid proof about Corey not being legit, I’d really appreciate it.

Let me give you an example of what I mean in the previous paragraphs:

Bill has shown a screenshot where Corey allegedly says Corey “is on the payroll”. But can that screenshot be considered conclusive proof that Corey is not legit? I don’t think so because even Shane says the following about that screenshot:


Shane (Post #411, pag. 21 of this thread): That screenshot came from my skype. The conversation was between him and I. [u]I do not believe what he [Corey] claims or that he is on any payroll…. Etc.

Therefore, it seems to me that that specific screenshot cannot be considered solid proof (conclusive) about some of the strong accusations against Corey.

Q #5 (by Sierra): What is your agenda?

Same answer as in question 3... well, now seriously, my agenda is searching for the truth because the truth shall set us free.

In fact, that’s what I always supported and loved about Project Camelot.

Q #6 (by Sierra): And no, do your own research as most of us do. I suggest you start with this thread.

That’s what I am doing: I am researching this matter, and I thought a good place to do it (among other ones) was here, because in this forum there seems to be a lot of people who have already done a lot of research about it.

And, what better persons to ask about something than the persons who have already done the research about it? That’s why I am asking questions to whoever may know the answers.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Qbeac,

That screenshot came from my skype. The conversation was between him and I. I do not believe what he claims or that he is on any payroll. He is referring to some sort of "insider" type payroll. I have many reasons to believe what I do about him I don't bother to detail as many reasons cannot be publicly verified. I have conviction, but for you, that is only my opinion.

With love and respect,
Hi Shane, thank you for the clarification.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear qbeac:

Your posts display a certain amount of immaturity (in my opinion) in this arena. You talk of 'proof' in a realm where proof is hard to come by — and it's meant to be that way.

For an important reference about plausible deniability, please read this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54381-Whistleblowers-Conspiracies-and-Proof&p=616855&viewfull=1#post616855




I was told long ago (Feb 2006) in a day-long meeting with Hal Puthoff, who I now count as a friend, never to try to prove anything. It was one of the most interesting and enlightening conversations I've had, and Hal's care and insight might be one of the reasons I'm alive today.

Not proving anything -- not producing real documents, real photos, or a real alien :) -- allows plausible deniability. This is what the controllers care about.

There are some issues (the real existence of UFOs and ET visitation) which the controllers want to be released... but on a very slow drip-feed. Undeniable proof causes shocks to individuals and to the "system". Undeniable proof forces the controllers' hands, and this is not what they want.

The best strategy is to offer evidence (not proof) as a paradigm-changing tool. What follows after that is a game of chess. See the current interesting and important discussion on the Dulce Project 2013 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54348-The-Dulce-Project-2013) thread in which a new Avalon member, Paul (TheDulceProject) is seeking funding and support for a high-profile team to go in to retrieve the box of Dulce documents, photos and videos buried somewhere in Arizona (location known) by ex-security guard Thomas Castello and Cherry Hinkle (Avalon member Mystery).

I and some others are advising great caution. To possess such unequivocal hard information in one's hands is a self-administered death warrant (or imprisonment warrant, at best).... unless one is skilled, smart and very lucky. Ask Julian Assange. :)


So: it's rare that one gets a chance to 'prove' a psy-op — or just about any other claim: and many such claims are made in the alternative media. But, having said that, many of those claims will be totally true.

The 'jury' may bring a guilty charge, on the preponderance of evidence, beyond reasonable doubt. That's how the legal system works; and sometimes, that system works well.

In short: one deduces a psy-op. One [normally] doesn't prove it.

That deduction requires the capacity for deductive reasoning. You all too often use the word 'proof'. This does NOT apply here in all cases in the sense you are using it.

One gets the sense, reading your posts, that nothing would ever satisfy you. Can I PROVE the Earth isn't flat? Not easily (and maybe not at all, in the strict sense of the word: that enters into a non-trivial philosophical discussion about the concept of 'proof' in science — as opposed to, say, math, where at least, most of the time, rigorous proofs can be presented).

But, re the Flat Earth question, the preponderance of evidence suggests with an EXTREMELY high degree of confidence that it is round. Even so, some apparently intelligent people refuse to accept that preponderance of evidence. That's why we are still debating so many things on the forum, and everywhere else in human culture. It's part of the human condition.

Some dot-connecting and deduction will always be required. This cannot be spoon-fed to you, or anyone else, in any pre-digested form. You need to do at least some of the groundwork (and THINKING) for yourself.

Please do that. At least you could make a start by stopping talking about proof, and referring to EVIDENCE instead. Then, you might start to get somewhere.

[Bill Ryan]

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A little more: I was kind of channeling Wittgenstein in my post above. :) My point is that in our discussions here on the forum, we're all dancing with the shimmering and often impermanent nature of logic, reason and inference. Things that are rigorously 'proven', such that they are never again debated, are only TINY components of the aggregate of human knowledge.

I can't even prove that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. But I sure expect it to.

:focus:

[onawah]

This is a bit off topic, but the discussion about psyops brings it to mind for me, at least.
The question I plan to pose for Simon which I have posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1420-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=985729&viewfull=1#post985729
is about something that has really been puzzling me for awhile, and I think that anyone who has followed Simon's info closely will have noticed the discrepancy as well, and if anyone is reading the Ruiner's blog, may wonder if there is an explanation there.
And I would like to ask Bill if the false info that Corey was spreading about Simon has altered his opinion of Simon's credibility at all? There were some rumors going around that Simon was using black magic to "heal" some of his clients who were asking him for help/healing. Were those rumors traced back to Corey?
Thanks!

[qbeac]

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Dear qbeac:

Your posts display a certain amount of immaturity (in my opinion) in this arena. You talk of 'proof' in a realm where proof is hard to come by — and it's meant to be that way…. Etc.

Hi Bill, thanks for your post. I do understand what you say and I agree with your argument in relation to the important differences among proof, high degree of confidence, reasonable doubt, etc.

Therefore, I admit my question, phrased the way I phrased it, was too simplistic, too narrow. My mistake. Sorry.

Now let me please rephrase my question in the following manner:

Please, could you (or anybody in this forum) show me/us the best evidence that you may have or know of (and can make public) which backs up your opinion about Corey and the strong and direct accusations you’ve made against him?

We need to consider that the way you made the following statement (which was very emphatically, very affirmative), seems to indicate that you are very, very sure of what you say: no room for doubts, no speculations, no margin for error at all. And such strong statements normally come from very good and solid pieces of evidence:


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Bill Ryan says: Corey, you dishonor true, honest, humble heroes like my friend Jon. You're part of a psy-op. You're a self-obsessed, narcissistic sociopath. And you're being used. The only two people who can't see this are yourself, David Wilcock, and the entourage who are milking this financially for all they can…. Etc.

In other words:

Why were you so emphatic and so seemingly sure about the previous statement?

What important piece of this puzzle (Corey’s puzzle) do you know that others don’t (Ex: David Wilcock, Michael Salla, etc.)

And seriously, for the benefit of all the alternative community (and all the people who seek truth), it would be great to see you talking face to face to David Wilcock, Michael Salla, Alfred Webre, etc., (Skype interview or panel discussion) to try to solve this interesting puzzle: is Corey legit or not, and why?

P.S. By the way, I’ve already looked at the data you have shown me/us so far (Ex: the screenshot about the payroll, your suggested links, etc.), but I find it as I explained in my previous post: not conclusive, not solid enough (at least in my opinion).

[Rha S ananda]

David Wilcock Comments on Benjamin Fulford Update - August 3rd 2015: Divine Cosmos Still Down, David's Take On The "Corey Is A Shill" Reactions http://sitsshow.blogspot.sg/2015/08/david-wilcock-comments-on-benjamin.html

me EG commenting https://www.facebook.com/BlueAvians/posts/1483940868570371?comment_id=1483951731902618&reply_comment_id=1484040155227109 as its connected

ill touch on a few subjects also... tomorrow.
incl the hitpiece that Lily wrote dec(2014) i guess that i ran across in april. hitpiece/slander #KS

as for proof. the saying is, proof is in the eye of the beholder....
differentiation is key, likewise experience

[giovonni]

Sums it up very well indeed ... :thumb:




Not proving anything -- not producing real documents, real photos, or a real alien :) -- allows plausible deniability. This is what the controllers care about.

There are some issues (the real existence of UFOs and ET visitation) which the controllers want to be released... but on a very slow drip-feed. Undeniable proof causes shocks to individuals and to the "system". Undeniable proof forces the controllers' hands, and this is not what they want.

[Delight]

with their own spin

The only way you're going to get true disclosure is for the subjects to do it themselves.

And even at that I would be very cautious!

I am not quite sure you mean what I think you mean. I am going with my interpretation (hehe).

My interpretation is that each person is a subject and has disclosures. These disclosures seem to be concerning deep reality. This is a mental realm of something that transcends all words (but gets interpreted). I think it should be called channeling...becoming a pathway for a stream of consciousness. IMO all this is about CONSCIOUSNESS and communication in A STATE of awareness.

I see the deepest disclosure in people who never claimed anything but just used the information. People like George Washington Carver and Victor Schauberger for example brought forth revelations and material that was practcally expressed in new science.

Disclosure has been made about the truth of UFOs and aliens. I am calling it more abstractly as the opening up and out or in and down of the "normal" mundane moment to reveal a "paranormal" moment of information. This can be an out right perceptual vision or maybe a message, maybe a strange synchronous event that disturbs and reveals? One has been able to be a hollow bone...new energy and information flowing from the mystery penetrates what we consider the tangible physical realm...

Moments are the key feature. It may be that shaman and other people functioning for the community as a scientist, healer or sage can reliably approach the interface to the liminal but even then, it seems that it was only when "needed" or practical. In a way it is like when 90 pound women can lift a car. Also about how to plant sweet potatoes....

If one tries to make one's reputation from one's "special" experiences or career of the experiences, one will be most like forced into lying to keep up appearance. Trying to force the events seems a way to invite the "trickster" archetype which is to be avoided. It is self deception IMO that leads one astray.

I have observed several experiencers of the anomalous become fixated on "the truth" as they had "received it" subjectively having a Universal meaning. They became quite dogmatic and in every case I know, they as they became more obsessed in making a generalization they lost their balance.

Also, I have seen genuine "experiencers" try to repeat with props like drugs in greater and heavier amounts.

I have seen genuine psychic moments lead to faux claims that were cons. I notice it can start out real and true and devolve over time. I have seen genuine and fresh information become repetitive and hollow over time as the "channeler" made it a career.

The relaxed nonattachment and sincere and open mind without any expectation is possibly the best way to have "strange" happenings. They are MOSTLY personal, not global (except as I said before when one has this capacity as a REAL shaman??). They are couched in familiar images of thought and may be a message for us to know? I have seen some really remarkable people led moment by moment by their "angel" The word angel is just a place holder for guide.

The minute the person becomes self interested to "use" this info for some ulterior ego based power, the authenticity seems to be replaced by the trickster in my observation. This is delusional and can become grandiose and is harmful but maybe a helpful fails safe to limit the problems.

If anyone who is a student of scriptures and science fiction can see, the Coreys and the DW's use readily available written works to draw their stories.

My conclusion is that a channeling's "way" is natural and is not an imposed condition. IMO, we are in given responsibility to learn how these avenues of information about anything we need to know works.

We are each in the potential to have PSI and "akashic"communication with the self-limiting features. I know for sure we do not have access when we are afraid it will hurt us.

We cannot go deep if we are abusing it (becoming ever MORE lost in delusion is different than abusing knowledge). IMO, we are distracted by our own mis-information accumulated and the mis-information is reaching ginormous proportions in media extravagance regurgitation.

I do not think it makes sense that the inability to pin down facts is anything but evidence that this realm is not factual but metaphoric and symbolic in the best way....a mental realm. People who still are based in the world view that what is "out there" in physical is the real cannot handle as much multiversity. That seems like a fail safe almost way of limiting self harm.

PKD and RAW are acronyms for experiencers who were able to question their own experience.


Wilson comes to no final conclusions about his experiences. He suspects that the Holy Guardian Angel and the extraterrestrials from Sirius probably do not exist outside of our imaginations. But even if they are not literally real, RAW thinks that a belief in them was a tool to open up access to a previously untapped area of his brain.

On the other hand, remembering Arthur C. Clarke’s idea that any sufficiently advanced technology may be indistinguishable from magic, RAW wondered “what if Temple’s book was true?” What if PSI powers like ESP and telepathy are true?

Stars can last 9 billion years. We are only half way through the life cycle of our star. That means there could be civilizations from Sirius or elsewhere that are one billion years more advanced than us. RAW asks what would be the technological capabilities and PSI powers of a civilization 100 million years, 500 million years, two billion years more advanced than we are now? RAW wonders if they will use psychic powers and/or technologically advanced communication methods to aid our evolution. Which sounds a lot like VALIS.

In his book “The Illuminati Papers”, Wilson quotes Dr. Ronald Bracewell from Stanford and Dr. Frank Drake of Cornell as saying that advanced aliens may have immortality and may be “trying to communicate with us right now.” Dr. Brian O’Leary, a Berkeley PHD and former NASA employee, states that aliens, be they extraterrestrial or inter-dimensional, may be on Earth now and have “technologies of consciousness.” Did an advanced race use “technologies of consciousness” to contact PKD and RAW?

Wilson in “Cosmic Trigger” also noted that the genius Tesla reported getting whole detailed descriptions and blue prints for inventions into his mind from an unknown source and sometimes had conversations with unseen entities. He reported that Dr. Jacques Valle told him that over 100 scientists had similar experiences of transmission of ideas but most are afraid to go public for fear of ridicule. Dr. Jack Sarfatti is one of the few who have gone public.

The discoverer of DNA, Nobel Prize winner Dr. Francis Crick, was a regular user of marijuana and may have first perceived the double helix shape of DNA while on LSD. Dr. Kary Mullis says taking LSD was one of the most important things he ever did and that he would not have won the Nobel prize for perfecting the PCR DNA method if he had not done it. He also had a strange UFO or Mothman Prophecies type encounter with an entity. Steve Jobs said taking LSD was one of the most important things he had done and convinced him that the goal of life was not just to make money but to invent and design things that would go into the stream of history and affect consciousness. Both the DNA and computer internet revolutions owe something to the (VALIS directed?) discovery of LSD Dr. Hofmann which we will examine. Is DMT or LSD a pathway to communication with higher intelligence? Or is it a pathway to open up previously untapped parts of our brain? Maybe. But this is a reason for LSD and other drugs to be legal, so they can be correctly manufactured and taken in safe doses at facilities with medical and psychological professionals. Both RAW and PKD strongly warned people not to take street drugs, they each saw the bad consequences that can result.Pulling the Cosmic Trigger: The Contact Experiences of Philip K Dick & Robert Anton Wilson (http://www.steamshovel.press/2015/05/24/pulling-the-cosmic-trigger-the-contact-experiences-of-philip-k-dick-robert-anton-wilson/)

[Delight]

Starting in 1971, Phil was no longer just writing about government conspiracies, alternative realities, and struggles against an empire. He started living it. His home was broken in to. Things were damaged, papers were taken, but little of value was stolen. It did not seem like a traditional burglary. Strangely, part of Phil was actually relieved. He thought, “See! I’m not some crazy paranoid. They really are after me.” But he was also horrified and scared of what they would do next. It also validated him however. He must be getting through and having an impact if he was enough of a threat to have this done to him.


One more aspect that I think we should not discount. The impact that is really occurring is that WE have created a nightmare. This nightmare is of being chased by demonic forces.

IF this realm of the physical is created by our mental focus and certain belief, to become focused on one's particular belief in greater and greater intensity may well be self fulfilling. In the "nocebo", if one expects no effect, even from an active "drug" one will have "no effect". In a "placebo", if one expects an effect, one will have that from sugar pills.

Voodoo works because of belief. Perhaps we should all really look at the effect of "paranoid" ideation in a conspiracy community. It may well be probable to credit the results of belief in conspiracy (not newly created but greatly increasing) as a source of our collective experiencing symptoms of the beliefs???

From my own upbringing and in work as a psychiatric nurse, I have been fascinated by the way that when a person expects negative experiences, they happen. This goes to people expecting positive outcomes too but obviously is more a problem if negative effects are expected. Expecting to be extremely fortunate, healthy and lucky? Well, the experiencing of that hardly ever becomes an issue (hehe).

I feel almost like an expert concerning when I have negative expectations and positive ones creating very different days. This is not woowoo at all but seems like it, because it is conforming not to my conscious but unconsious creation. A lack of awareness of the contents of my own deep structure of expectation will not change its workings IMO. To bring it to awareness is important. How many times have we heard about being creative as humans? This is the IMO garden variety place to look and act to relieve our own issues.

The sensationalism attached to issues like "targeting" is IMO because we are possibly EXTREME in belief about powerlessness and victimization. It is programmed in to almost every drama we watch where a killer is at large.

When it happens that we feel physically ill, maybe even die because we accepted the "realism" of this possibility in our life, it seems to validate a "FACT' but what fact is it validating? IMO this is like voodoo cursing in that the victim has a deeply structured belief in the power of the curse. The credence to outside agency for our creating becomes experienced in our perceptions. This is also perhaps magnified by PSI empathy to others' thoughts. But the actor is US as we are willing to believe.

I also feel like almost an expert on living around people expecting the worst. I grew up with someone who claimed every day she was targeted. She was always ill and soon to be a cripple. After years of being a victim and suffering this state, she ended up in a wheelchair in a nursing home and died early when she might have lived.

I saw some paranoid ideation play out wildly as a nurse. One diagnosis that made the nurses cringe was Borderline Personality disorder. In this symptom cluster people have issues of relationship (extremes of idealization and devaluing) and not well defined inner self identity. People with this diagnosis who ended up in the hospital where I worked projected "good" people and "bad" people onto staff members.

They did it by splitting people up and low and behold, they did receive strangely familiar coldness and inattention or even abuse from the "mean" staff while championed by the "good" staff. This created havoc in the community because people on staff were turned against one another! This phenomenon was so well predicted that we had "treatment guidelines" about the splitting potential.

I think the DSM III is a bunch of symptom clusters trying to be diagnosis. The real issue is that we are mental/psychological/spiritual beings who create according to deep expectation and have issues. Modern society has reached its end game where it cannot keep proliferating the wayward psychic contents.

IMO the breaking up is like the split on a psychiatric staff, with everyone forming sides. IMO we have the possibility of wholeness where we own who has been making it look as it looks. To become more responsible for our parts of a whole disintegrating is the power. We are the ones who must integrate our own aspects and take charge of the creativity involved.

The clarity that we can see by what is happening could lead people to take on PRONOIA and insist that all is well FOR us. This would be a masterful move against the machine IMO. That machine is our own creation and could be dismantled in a happy way I am certain.

The collective is mad, long live the individual.

[giovonni]

Great posts Maggie ...

Having myself some extensive experience working on a locked/psychiatric hospital unit,
i came to the unsettling/observation that both the patients and staff - Often displayed
evidence of that all too convenient diagnosis of the borderline personality type disorder ...

Whether good or bad were probably the best show in the galaxy right now ... ;)

[gripreaper]

Here's what I find hard to believe...That this thread is still going, has spawned other threads on "What to believe" and this thread has 22 pages and over 400 posts!

And this is the only post in this thread that is mine.

[post update]

Actually there is one other "tongue in cheek" post :)

[Mike]

Here's what I find hard to believe...That this thread is still going, has spawned other threads on "What to believe" and this thread has 22 pages and over 400 posts!

And this is the only post in this thread that is mine.

[post update]

Actually there is one other "tongue in cheek" post :)



Sounds worthy of a Hitler spoof video if you ask me...:idea:

[Dennis Leahy]

Here's what I find hard to believe...That this thread is still going, has spawned other threads on "What to believe" and this thread has 22 pages and over 400 posts!

And this is the only post in this thread that is mine.

[post update]

Actually there is one other "tongue in cheek" post :)



Sounds worthy of a Hitler spoof video if you ask me...:idea:
I second the motion.

[araucaria]

If this thread has had another couple of pages added while I was asleep, I’m afraid it is partly Bill’s fault. He is far too kind to be a judge and his philosophical reflections on provability and plausible deniability were inappropriate here. The legal system has a fast track for people who are caught in flagrante delicto – caught ‘redhanded’, ‘with their pants down’, ‘with their hand in the cookie jar’ etc. Such provable and proven ‘flag’ cases are dealt with in a summary hearing at what we call in French the ‘tribunal des flagrants délits’ – and by definition there are no ‘false flags’ ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_flagrante_delicto

The mods have proof positive that qbeac has not read most of this thread. Since he has no plausible deniability, in response to Sierra he can only recycle an unsatisfactory reply he made earlier to me and Runningdeer. The fact is that he should have been thrown out of this thread, which should then have been left to die or closed by a mod. We have an “Are you a thread killer?” thread that suggests that killing threads is a problem whereas in point of fact its own thriving existence (over 2 months) merely goes to show that we have a dearth of professional thread killers. This is often no bad thing, but it means that sometimes Bill and the team possibly need to be a little firmer.

Since any further addition to this thread is self-contradictory and counterproductive, gripreaper, myself and others probably need, maybe not the Hitler-in-his-bunker treatment, but the Hitler’s willing executioner treatment, because theoretically there is no end to all of this :)

If I may disagree with the basic premise: the only threads that ‘die’ are those that are closed; so the executioner is always a mod, and the real culprit, I hasten to add, is never the last poster. :) Other threads can always be revived, and often are; the rest simply go into abeyance until someone decides to post again.

It is a fact of life that more things get started than ever get finished. This is intuitively correct, since things are placed in sequences that always have a beginning but may end anywhere. Apparently this means that in a given set of figures, say a book of accounts, there will be more figures beginning with smaller numbers (say 1-5) than with larger ones (say 6-9). I read somewhere a long time ago that when this was first noticed, it was checked against some real data, and the business owner ended up in court for cooking the books, after it was discovered that there was an overabundance of figures beginning with a 9.

True completion, as in perfection, or death, does not exist. The ultimate God himself was so perfectly dead bored with his own company that he had to create something to prove that his perfection and his death were just a glass ceiling. Once he got going, there was such an infinity of options open to him that, as I was saying, more things got started than ever got finished. It’s called continuous creation.

Unfortunately that creation also includes the odd conversation stopper. This is - or is perceived as - an (obviously fake) form of perfection often called dogmatism.

[RunningDeer]

It’s no longer about whether Corey’s telling is accurate, or how he and David are making money and notoriety. This is about keeping everyone in merry-go-round mind thought. Bill is his/its best weapon to gather members and on-lookers to keep the story going; circling round and round on the forums, Facebook, blogs and twitter feeds.

Any thing and in any way to keep us from natural creation and life with loved ones. Keep us from participation in the joys of the day, music, arts, higher knowledge, expressing with nature, in-joying… All these create organic, conscious connections. Something that AI are repulsed by at best and are unable to merge with the naturally occurring higher frequencies.

The astral tricksters and their AI soldiers abound, sucking and usurping any and all the energy they can get. They’re batteries are dangerously low. Their end is nearing. Ours is breaking anew.

This organic spirit-being does not consent. I DO NOT consent. Game over.

RunningDeer ♡

[Sierra]

Here's what I find hard to believe...That this thread is still going, has spawned other threads on "What to believe" and this thread has 22 pages and over 400 posts!

And this is the only post in this thread that is mine.

[post update]

Actually there is one other "tongue in cheek" post :)



Sounds worthy of a Hitler spoof video if you ask me...:idea:
I second the motion.

Worthy of a "Kill Bill" video too...

I nominate Dennis lol.

[Agape]

To Self : ''excuse me but you have no right to read this thread whence off all information has been

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Data upload speed : miserable ( classified )

Pages visited : innumerable ( classified )

Mission : impossible ( classified )


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It's Kingfisher , subproject of Blue Birds , the king of all Projects .

They had own beer and airlines , now they're endangered species . I wish Corey knew what is he talking about .


:no:

[Gardener]

Thanks button not quite enough for this one Paula, :cake:

It’s no longer about whether Corey’s telling is accurate, or how he and David are making money and notoriety. This is about keeping everyone in merry-go-round mind thought. Bill is his/its best weapon to gather members and on-lookers to keep the story going; circling round and round on the forums, Facebook, blogs and twitter feeds.

Any thing and in any way to keep us from natural creation and life with loved ones. Keep us from participation in the joys of the day, music, arts, higher knowledge, expressing with nature, in-joying… All these create organic, conscious connections. Something that AI are repulsed by at best and are unable to merge with the naturally occurring higher frequencies.

The astral tricksters and their AI soldiers abound, sucking and usurping any and all the energy they can get. They’re batteries are dangerously low. Their end is nearing. Ours is breaking anew.

This organic spirit-being does not consent. I DO NOT consent. Game over.

RunningDeer ♡

[Wide-Eyed]

Ah um well... they certainly make an excellent case. My spidey sense says... the Cayce ringer is on to something good, real good. He's been doing the work. Pull up a chair & Check out anything The Monroe Institute , Ingo Swann, Russel Targ, Dr. Hal Putoff , Joe McMoneagle, or The Farsight Institute have to offer on the Bio-Mind Super Powers, Et's, and human consciousness it's worth all the popcorn you can pop. :sun: Oh and I forgot check out Solari blog by Assistant Secretary of Housing with George W Bush -Katherine Austin Fitts re: black budget, and Dr. Joseph Farrell author of some twenty books on the "breakaway civilization" it's a good start. :beer:

[Bill Ryan]

I would like to ask Bill if the false info that Corey was spreading about Simon has altered his opinion of Simon's credibility at all? There were some rumors going around that Simon was using black magic to "heal" some of his clients who were asking him for help/healing. Were those rumors traced back to Corey?
Thanks!

Thanks for the question... in brief!


It never altered my opinion of Simon's credibility. Like all of us reading this, he's not a perfect human being. But I always felt that there was clearly something going on — whether real or invented, I could not say — that was being exaggerated, milked, and spread around for all it was worth in order to deliberately try to ruin his reputation. I've not talked with Simon at all about this. As I've mentioned before, I've only had one conversation with Simon of any kind on any topic (apart from during the Avalon interview with him), and that was on 4 March this year (2015).



I never heard anything at all abut any 'black magic' rumor.



The best person to ask for more details about all this is bsbray, who wrote this on this thread a few weeks ago. It's worth reading very carefully, and it's important. The 'other person' he refers to us is Simon Parkes.


As far as this other person, I was one of two people (that I know of) sent all of the conversation logs where the whole thing unfolded from the beginning to the end. I only read enough to get the basic point as it was a lot of stuff, but it was obvious enough what was going on. Corey knew that making the accusations himself would expose him to legal problems, and admitted as much, so he then got someone else to take the accusations to a third party known to be very unstable, and everything blew up from there. But he never said anything on the open forums about it. So without talking to the people who were tricked into all of this, it would seem Corey had nothing to do with any of it. It was only after all of it boiled over that it became apparent what had happened, especially after Corey was so proud of being acknowledged by the same person he had been saying the terrible things about in the first place. It just makes no sense in any other context but to have been meant as a fictitious and malicious attack on another person's character.

[Matthew]

After reading most of this thread I accept it's probably true that Corey is flakey. But quest to find who's trustworthy aside, I was amazed that alot of Coreys core points weren't disputed. Core points that is. Few days ago I had a moment reading Selenes post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=972200&viewfull=1#post972200) where my confidance in Corey decreased, and belief in off world colonies increased. This is because Corey the person was being doubted but at the same time some of his information was being reinforced ..by Corey sceptics. I don't really follow the intrapolitics of the community, or the exopolitics of the universe but I wanted to share my phonominom of 'the amazing disclosure' rather than "he said she said". Colonies on Mars.. wow. Some of us are still early on our journeys and stuff is a big deal. Suddenly I'm noticing old old disclosure videos of exactly the same stuff that I hadn't noticed before, and following the compulsion by systematically watching every thing I can find. So fine Corey can be toxic for a community but OMG bases on mars!

No disrespect meant to the cause of thrashing out who we can trust and untangling lies (local and global). Obviously utterly pertinent to the whole situation. There are bases on mars and I've run out of Anglo Saxon words to exclaim my shock. Need some Martian words

[Bill Ryan]

Colonies on Mars.. wow. Some of us are still early on our journeys and stuff is a big deal. Suddenly I'm noticing old old disclosure videos of exactly the same stuff that I hadn't noticed before, and following the compulsion by systematically watching every thing I can find. So fine Corey can be toxic for a community but OMG bases on mars!



Yes, there's a major base on Mars (an ancient facility, I was told, recently re-occupied in the 1960s or soon after), and one or two minor ones, too. Apparently, there are also other ET races that share the facility.

None of that is at all surprising to me, and is all very real and plausible. In fact, the preponderance of evidence supports this totally.

Although you'll not hear about that on CNN, it's sort of 'old news' (as it were) in the UFO community. The notion of human-occupied bases on the Moon and Mars (even if shared) isn't new or startling any more.

Even careful, meticulous researchers like Richard Dolan and Linda Howe say that such facilities are very likely to exist. They go hand in hand with the existence of the Secret Space Program... if we have the means to travel to other planets, and all the evidence is that we do, there will be bases there, too, even if they're just rest or refueling stops. :)

So, in summary, that core information isn't at all new. Please see this post here for more details of the researchers and whistleblowers who have spoken or written extensively about this for quite a long time now:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=981855&highlight=rappoport#post981855

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Corey may not be the clearest window we have into that world, but right now it’s the only one we’ve got.



Well, that's not quite the case. We have detailed testimony from Camelot witness Henry Deacon (and his story is definitely 100% real), from Michael Relfe (whose story I'm pretty sure is real), and also from Kerry's more recent witness Captain Mark Richards (whose story I think is real, but who I've never spoken with).

There's also extensive testimony from Dr Bill Deagle and Jay Weidner (though not all in one place), and also some fascinating snippets of information from Ben Rich, Gordon Novel and Gary McKinnon. And extensive, detailed, documented commentary from Linda Moulton Howe, and Richard Dolan. They're the two best researchers in the field.

And on YouTube (here's the playlist), (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjE9ME452c&list=PLxpYawT00V40XgkYg-YY3S0lpmgKtZtYD) one can view the entire 2014 San Mateo (CA) Secret Space Conference program. The videos below run for a total of over 12 hours, and are packed with good, well-researched information. The conference featured


Richard Dolan
Robert Morningstar
Michael Schratt
Catherine Austin Fitts
Jon Rappoport
Carol Rosin
Joseph Farrell
Mark McCandlish.


There's a new documentary coming out soon, called Packing for Mars (http://packingformarsmovie.com)... yours truly is featured. I've seen a pre-release version, it's two hours long, packed with witnesses and commentary, and it's quite excellent. Corey is not in it.

Why this post? Well, Selene was not quite correct. There's PLENTY of information out there. And not one tiny bit of it accords in any substance with anything Corey has said. Regarding ET contact information, that's not even mentioned in this post.... there are more than a hundred contactee-written books from the 50s, 60s and 70s with interesting but totally unprovable material of this very general nature.

[onawah]

The rumors I heard about Simon using black magic rituals for his clients were from Lily Earthling and specifically, the message which she addressed to Simon personally. This is the one:
sZocHmKeykQ

She also says here that the Mantids were created by the Dracos, and so are programmed to serve them.
update:
I should add that Lily says that she thinks Simon is not yet aware if/that he is still being manipulated, but that she believes he can liberate himself by tuning into his human side and connection with Earth, as can Mantis souls who are now in Earth human bodies.

That video from Lily came online after I and another Avalon member who had frequented Simon's thread were kicked off of the Facebook group that one of Simon's key people had started, without explanation, but presumably because we were asking too many questions, and a couple of other Avalon members reported having bad experiences with Simon, and hearing of other bad experiences, from women especially.
No "proof" of anything, and possibly nothing to it it at all, but I think these kinds of things need to be looked at, at least, and if possible, explained, and the sources of rumors found and examined.
If Corey had it in for Simon, that may have something to do with these rumors, and that was around the same time, so that may be significant.
I don't imagine that Simon will even dignify these issues with a personal response, and that, unfortunately, makes it all more difficult to assess and/or dismiss.

[Mike]

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Dear qbeac:

Your posts display a certain amount of immaturity (in my opinion) in this arena. You talk of 'proof' in a realm where proof is hard to come by — and it's meant to be that way.

For an important reference about plausible deniability, please read this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54381-Whistleblowers-Conspiracies-and-Proof&p=616855&viewfull=1#post616855




I was told long ago (Feb 2006) in a day-long meeting with Hal Puthoff, who I now count as a friend, never to try to prove anything. It was one of the most interesting and enlightening conversations I've had, and Hal's care and insight might be one of the reasons I'm alive today.

Not proving anything -- not producing real documents, real photos, or a real alien :) -- allows plausible deniability. This is what the controllers care about.

There are some issues (the real existence of UFOs and ET visitation) which the controllers want to be released... but on a very slow drip-feed. Undeniable proof causes shocks to individuals and to the "system". Undeniable proof forces the controllers' hands, and this is not what they want.

The best strategy is to offer evidence (not proof) as a paradigm-changing tool. What follows after that is a game of chess. See the current interesting and important discussion on the Dulce Project 2013 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54348-The-Dulce-Project-2013) thread in which a new Avalon member, Paul (TheDulceProject) is seeking funding and support for a high-profile team to go in to retrieve the box of Dulce documents, photos and videos buried somewhere in Arizona (location known) by ex-security guard Thomas Castello and Cherry Hinkle (Avalon member Mystery).

I and some others are advising great caution. To possess such unequivocal hard information in one's hands is a self-administered death warrant (or imprisonment warrant, at best).... unless one is skilled, smart and very lucky. Ask Julian Assange. :)


So: it's rare that one gets a chance to 'prove' a psy-op — or just about any other claim: and many such claims are made in the alternative media. But, having said that, many of those claims will be totally true.

The 'jury' may bring a guilty charge, on the preponderance of evidence, beyond reasonable doubt. That's how the legal system works; and sometimes, that system works well.

In short: one deduces a psy-op. One [normally] doesn't prove it.

That deduction requires the capacity for deductive reasoning. You all too often use the word 'proof'. This does NOT apply here in all cases in the sense you are using it.

One gets the sense, reading your posts, that nothing would ever satisfy you. Can I PROVE the Earth isn't flat? Not easily (and maybe not at all, in the strict sense of the word: that enters into a non-trivial philosophical discussion about the concept of 'proof' in science — as opposed to, say, math, where at least, most of the time, rigorous proofs can be presented).

But, re the Flat Earth question, the preponderance of evidence suggests with an EXTREMELY high degree of confidence that it is round. Even so, some apparently intelligent people refuse to accept that preponderance of evidence. That's why we are still debating so many things on the forum, and everywhere else in human culture. It's part of the human condition.

Some dot-connecting and deduction will always be required. This cannot be spoon-fed to you, or anyone else, in any pre-digested form. You need to do at least some of the groundwork (and THINKING) for yourself.

Please do that. At least you could make a start by stopping talking about proof, and referring to EVIDENCE instead. Then, you might start to get somewhere.


This was a very important post, for me personally, as I was forced to admit upon reading it that my relationship to "proof" and it's relationship to "evidence" had become quite engraved and distorted thru the years and was in need of a smashing...

This post smashed it.

It was as if I was looking in one direction only, thru a very small hole at that. Things seem a bit clearer now having read this. It's not anything I didn't already know, per se, but it's amazing how a few well timed words, arranged intelligently and fiercely logically, can remind oneself of a wisdom one may have forgotten not too long ago.

[RunningDeer]

The rumors I heard about Simon using black magic rituals for his clients were from Lily Earthling and specifically, the message which she addressed to Simon personally. This is the one:

sZocHmKeykQ

She also says here that the Mantids were created by the Dracos, and so are programmed to serve them.

Rough Transcript and the video referenced by Lily:

1:10 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=1m10s) - Lily is going off what Simon says and will add details. Simon had said that he’s a hybrid of draco mantis being human. This type of draconian hybrids that’s are mantis. The mantis beings is draconian hybrids. They were created, there was a DNA given by draco to mantis. This race was created to be the servants of the full blood draconian. So there’s created to be more the servants than the neutral negotiators and all of that where they just serve draco agenda. Dracos among themselves are really fighting a lot….

2:22 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=2m22s) - So these mantis beings are used as negotiators because there is a unifying agenda on all dracos' part. It is to extend the life existence.

3:00 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=3m00s) - Full blooded dracos look down upon Mantids because they are hybrids. They are not full blooded beings. So the mantis beings are programed and made to serve the dracos. This is why Simon is a negotiator….There’s a lot of infighting and the draconians are holding the power in astral time lines.

4:00 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=4m00s) - Because they are fighting for who’s going to be the top dog, Simon does a lot of negotiations. That is exactly what the mantis beings are created for dracos.

4:32 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=4m32s) - In the interview, Simon talks about scalar wave technology which is used for mind control. Here, Lily explains that Simon talked about it, but she goes into more reasons for scalar wave technology and how it’s designed and developed in Russia. And to this day Russians have most control of that technology. She goes on the explain how and why the USA got a piece of it.

5:48 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=5m48s) - So in this interview, Simon really shows that he is only a negotiator. Because he is exposing the scalar wave technology he is a support of Russian government. So do you see the contradiction within him? This is the programming of the mantis. They support and they negotiate. But when there’s a fiction (friction?) he is taking sides here and there. Because that’s what negotiators do amongst the dracos. And they must also reveal the information. So heres the contradiction, Simon reveals about the the mind control scalar wave technology, but at the same time he is a big supporter of Putin.

6:59 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=6m59s) - The other thing about Simon is even though he says he’s one third human, he does not have connection with the earth. He does not have connection with his humanity. None of his information comes from his human part. And this is a big sign because everything he is talking about from his reptilian mantis part of his being which means that it is all astral levels. He has never once said that his information came from Earth. He does not give Earth credit as a conscious, aware being. Never once have I heard him do that. If I’m wrong, then I apologize. He is disconnected from the physical and emotional body of this planet. He’s only active with the astral level which is a mental level of this planet. And because of that it is a clear indication that he is using his human body as a battery source and he’s using his spirit as a battery source to astral timeline. For that, he is working for astral timeline.

8:40 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=8m40s) - He has also admitted in a couple of his interviews that because he supports Russia and for that he supports Russia in Ukraine. That war is just a face or distraction of Moldavite in Ukraine. So if Simon supports the extraction of Moldavite in Ukraine, then what does that mean? Moldavite connected CERN agenda. He doesn’t admit and most people that work CERN agenda will not even know that…. You may not understand that mentally, but that’s what you’ve been used for in that

Note further explanation of Moldavite found here post #10 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81920-CERN-Truth-Lies-and-Magic-by-Lily-Earthling&p=957667&viewfull=1#post957667):

…Earth tilt and how CERN collider is being used to try and cause another time loop to keep the astral beings fed….

When they did it with the pyramids, they used a combination of crystal technology, in particular Moldavite which they planted all over the planet. Moldavite is an alien, off planet substance. Goz goes on the explain how the human technology is key and why computer technology and the breakthrough with all the orgone technology…


9:54 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=9m54s) - There was a lot of talk about mind control programs, but Simon does not talk about why all that effort is put to control humanity. Why is it a human body? Because he doesn’t understand the value of humanity. That’s why he cannot tell us why all that effort is put in to control our human bodies. Why humans?

10:30 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=10m30s) - Maybe he can explain it some time. For now, those of you that listen to Simon, ask yourself this question. “Why has Simon disconnect from this part of him?” Yet, he some much of the knowledge about harvesting humanity.

11:00 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=11m00s) - He admits that he only has access to astral time line. He openly admitted that splitting us vs them, darkness vs light, bad vs. good. That is clearly an astral timeline. And in it, he has connected himself to the positive matrix timeline. Which is again, CERN agenda. Again, he had connected himself to CERN agenda.

11:44 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=11m44s) - Simon talked about the astral tag removals and that he does that and how he does that. That part is very important and I’ll tell you why it’s so important. Simon uses the draco technique to remove astral tags. I have to go into a deeper understanding as to why it is so. Why Simon is being used and he’s not aware of this fact because he has not connect to the humanity part of him.

And Simon, when you do connect to the humanity part of you, you will become whole. And when you do activate your whole body intelligence, you will realize all of this. How you’ve been used and abused by the dracos. And how you’ve been used in their little war. And in it, I’m going to say to all mantis beings, even though your are hybrids and you were designed to serve dracos, you are in human body. MY MESSAGE IS AN OFFER TO ALL MANTIS TIMELINE BEINGS. You have the capability and the ability to heal right now, starting from now, you can accept Earth’s timeline. And this is why I have to make this video to put this message out there to all mantis beings. You have the ability to bio-regenerate your soul. You don’t have to be servants of dracos any more. You have suffered enough…. You can become a full-on human being. The Earth is offering you that.

14:20 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=14m20s) - So back to why Simon’s astral techniques to remove astral tags are quite interesting because they are very much manipulated by dracos. Because when a human being on the planet are aware of the fact that they do have an astral tag within them, by the law of the Universe, what that means is that the individual can use their free will and exercise their free will because it was manipulated. The astral tag was put in there by manipulation. And when the person becomes aware that they’ve been tagged, but because we have to agree to that and our agreement/consent was actually manipulated into giving the consent for that astral tag. When the person becomes aware of it, they have the right to remove the tag.

15:47 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=15m47s) - When they realize the manipulation this give them power because they are still in charge of their body…. What happens with the technique that Simon uses is it was designed by dracos. I’ll call it “the tag retrieval”. Because the dracos now WANT THE TAG BACK IN ASTRAL LEVEL. And so people like Simon are programed to retrieve the tag once a human being is aware.

16:47 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=16m47s) - This is why it’s so important. They want to retrieve their property. And this is where it gets really tricky. And I’m going ahead and say this, that at some point Simon will figure it out, how to actually to remove the tag and NOT retrieve the tags. Because removal of the tag is a different process. And this is where I talk about how organic shamans that do that and there are very few of them on the planet. Most shamans do use the dracos’ techniques for retrieval. What the organic shaman does after removal of the tag, they will send the tag into the earth. The actual physical level of the earth. Thus the tag can no longer be uses by the astral levels. It is forced to stay within earth and bio-regenerate. Once you understand the difference between the removal and the retrieval of the tag, you’ll understand what agenda is being worked here.

18:38 (https://youtu.be/sZocHmKeykQ?t=18m38s) - There’s some techniques, but most of them are draconian techniques for retrieval. I hope, Simon that when you hear this, that you don’t get upset with me for revealing like that. The only reason why I’m saying this the way it is because I want to trigger the human part within you. I want to trigger the humanity part within you. Trigger your spirit within you. Because the mantis beings are incredible beings. And the earth would like for mantis beings to come out of that pressure and that slavery that they’ve been under dracos for so long. And I know that if you listen to this with your mission, through your mantis type of being, you will not like what I have to say. But listen to your body, the response you get in your body to this information. That is the human part of you. That is the body and the spirit within your body that’s going to give you and signs. And this is the way you can bio-regenerate. This is the way you can come out of that hierarchical structure that the draconian system has put on you.

And yes, they created you that way and it is within your DNA to serve draco agenda. But the earth can override that through the earth timeline. You all can do it. And for everyone else that listen to this, and you all love Simon. I love Simon. He as given so much information and now if only he take another step the damage to the draco system that the mantis can create, it can be immense and it will be. So there’s a lot of love from the planet that is coming through the planet and through me right now there’s so much love for mantis beings that is coming from the planet. You have one more step and you’ll be free. And you’ll be free. I thank you so much for hearing me out. And I thank you so much for feeling my words and my energy. Because I know deep within my spirit that at some point Simon will hear the message. He will.


Simon’s interview article: “Simon Parkes reveals Mind Control Secrets (http://www.whitetv.se/sv/mind-control-mk-ultra/1219.html),” 2015-04-29


Simon Parkes reveals Mind Control Secrets

http://vimeo.com/126314745

[Bill Ryan]

To Self : ''excuse me but you have no right to read this thread whence off all information has been

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Data upload speed : miserable ( classified )

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Mission : impossible ( classified )


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It's Kingfisher , subproject of Blue Birds , the king of all Projects .

They had own beer and airlines , now they're endangered species . I wish Corey knew what is he talking about .


:no:


None of the mods could understand a single word of this post, but we all very much enjoyed and appreciated it. :heart:

Our consensus view was that we should put Agape and Corey in a cage, and sell tickets. It'd be better than Gaiam.

:focus:

[Agape]

Dear Bill, pardon my wicked humour . I've learned something ( much more ) on humans over the last few years on your internet forum ( and it's not likely I wish to criticise ...) :heart:

One thing , human intelligence can juggle abstracts easily but has to be trained to do so : something I learned long ago though ,
when exhausted it descends to stereotypes . Whether this is expressed as your inner archetypal mind , fear of archons or typical behaviours ,
political , social or religious phraseology , our very existence here is undermined by constant fight between nature n nurture :bigsmile:

You've made some excellent posts up there and I really admire your strength , patience and courage to repeat these things over and over again ,
with hope that at least few people will understand your meaning .


We all have signed up for this reality show iPresume and according to not so latest scientific studies , your ( general reader ) information processing ability exceeds your expectations ( for example , we all can read text such as :

http://www.brainhq.com/brain-resources/brain-teasers/scrambled-text

To paraphrase your favourite TVs advert , "here at Blue Birds we care you are entertained , updated , watched ..and never alone .
Yes I can well imagine the Day will come ...

when there'll be an ET channel on your T-V ( tee wee ) where they'll be broadcasting original reality sitcoms from Andromeda . Are you ready .

Many earthlings will find such a broadcast boring and not worth taxpayers money but , on the other hand how wonderful it would be to have a peak-a-boo to life of another intelligent civilisation on your , say , ehm, computer monitor .

What about phone call , can I make phone call back home .

I thought it's in convention of intergalactic rights and freedoms ...just mumbling really


Whatever works :dog::dog::dog:

[Matthew]

Yes "admire your strength , patience and courage to repeat these things over and over again" is doubley appreciated. Going against mainstream truth and accepting alternatives it's like the awareness comes in waves of either increasing or decreasing certainty on each topic. There comes a tipping point where I must face the evidance and somewhat reluctantly accept a few things. Coreys disclosure was another wave of awareness for me. Good to have counter points to even things out and keep it steady so thank you Project Avalon

[qbeac]

… The mods have proof positive that qbeac has not read most of this thread….

Hi araucaria,

I’ve finished reading just about this whole thread (23 pages), most of it, and especially the Admins posts (Ex: Bill Ryan, Dennis, Sierra, Selena (former mod)…) and the posts of Avalon members who have been more in contact with Corey (Ex: Shane).

And after reading it, what I see is basically 3 main groups of things:


1) A lot of speculations (hypothesis, suppositions, beliefs, intuitions, rumours, deductions, conjectures, etc.), and many of them questionable or contradictory (Ex: “he is” on the payroll versus “he is not” on the payroll).

2) A few categorical and emphatic accusations against Corey (especially Bill’s. Ex: “You're part of a psy-op… you're being used… etc.”), but…

3) A significant lack of “proof” or, at least, solid evidence against Corey.

After reading it, I also have the impression (and please, somebody correct me if I am wrong) that the reason why the Avalon members who have already done the research about Corey have still, after 23 pages of debate, not pointed out the specific “proof” or the “best evidence” against Corey, is because that proof or best evidence is not in this thread. At least I can’t find it.

But if I have missed it, please, could somebody point it out to us (specific posts numbers of this thread… or also from other threads or websites)?

P.S. Important clarification: I am not saying that Corey is legit or not because I do not know. I am still researching it. What I am saying is that I don’t see proof or best evidence about it in this thread (unless I have missed it… ?)

[Jake]

What I am saying is that I don’t see proof or best evidence about it in this thread (unless I have missed it… ?)

Yes, you missed it! :)

Jake

[Sierra]

He missed all 23 pages of it! :ROFL:

j05J7ps0RGw

[onawah]

Better, I think, to put Corey in the cage and let Agape be his keeper. She would keep him very well! :lol:


Our consensus view was that we should put Agape and Corey in a cage, and sell tickets. It'd be better than Gaiam.

:focus:

[Andre]

I'm yet another reader here who is not totally convinced that Corey's story is genuine. Like many, I am adopting a "way and see" attitude. David Wilcock in particular has made many prognostications over the years that have not panned out and now his best friend is Corey. It used to be Benjamin Fulford who made similar Earth shattering revelations that never came to pass. Of course, it is entirely possible that Benjamin had his facts straight all along. However, his reputation clearly suffered from the curse of being an eternal optimist who repeatedly announced that everything would change in the months ahead.

One thing Corey said in his report on the Mars conference he attended that I find quite unbelievable is when he grabs the mic to defend himself from the speaker's accusations. I know this is a small thing, but it just stood out like a sore thumb. Perhaps its nothing, but why would advanced beings at an interplanetary conference surrounded by advance technologies use a mic to speak?

[Andre]

… The mods have proof positive that qbeac has not read most of this thread….

Hi araucaria,

I’ve finished reading just about this whole thread (23 pages), most of it, and especially the Admins posts (Ex: Bill Ryan, Dennis, Sierra, Selena (former mod)…) and the posts of Avalon members who have been more in contact with Corey (Ex: Shane).

And after reading it, what I see is basically 3 main groups of things:

1) A lot of speculations (hypothesis, suppositions, beliefs, intuitions, rumours, deductions, conjectures, etc.), and many of them questionable or contradictory (Ex: “he is” on the payroll versus “he is not” on the payroll).

2) A few categorical and emphatic accusations against Corey (especially Bill’s. e.g. “You're part of a psy-op… you're being used… etc.”), but…

3) A significant lack of “proof” or, at least, solid evidence against Corey.



If I understand you correctly, I think you are implying that in 2) above, all of the accusations against Corey are subjective and that no-one has presented any factual evidence to back-up their claims against him. However, I would suggest that one of the traits of a psy-op would be vagueness and a deliberate lack of detail because detail is what can be corroborated from other sources. Corey's reports are definitely very vague. His reports are like "painting broad brushstrokes" which are hard to analyse because of the lack of detail. Like many, I am adopting a "wait and see" attitude on this one.

[Bill Ryan]

.
I just posted this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84365-Project-Camelot-Clark-McClelland-Project-Paperclip&p=987187&viewfull=1#post987187) on the new thread about a new interview Kerry Cassidy has just done with NASA whistleblower Clark McClelland.

Project Camelot - Clark McClelland & Project Paperclip (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84365-Project-Camelot-Clark-McClelland-Project-Paperclip)

This is important. Because once one joins these dots, and uses one's intelligence to make inferences from the evidence right there in front of our noses, one can (in my strong, informed opinion) come up with nothing other than the conclusion summarized below.

To put it another way: it's the one strong hypothesis that fits every single known fact.








After Kerry introduce the interview, Clark says he is 80 yrs old in bad shape, being punished by his former employers and the government for being a 'whistle blower' - a reminder why not many come forward.




Yes. This is exactly what can often happen to real whistleblowers who go against their orders or contracts.

Anyone who is speaking out in volume and getting rewarded for doing so is being sanctioned and protected, because it suits the agenda of the punishers — to coin a term.

[Bingo]

Well said Bill, and I'll keep an eye out for what Corey and Wilcock have to say because I enjoy knowing what the punishers wish us to thin.

[qbeac]

Point #1: If I understand you correctly, I think you are implying that in 2) above, all of the accusations against Corey are subjective and that no-one has presented any factual evidence to back-up their claims against him.

Point #2: However, I would suggest that one of the traits of a psy-op would be vagueness and a deliberate lack of detail because detail is what can be corroborated from other sources.

Point #3: Corey's reports are definitely very vague. His reports are like "painting broad brushstrokes" which are hard to analyse because of the lack of detail.

Point #4: Like many, I am adopting a "wait and see" attitude on this one.

Hi Andre, thanks for your post, very good one.

Personally, I very much agree with the 4 main points you’ve made in your post (#461, pag. 24).

In fact, my attitude in this case is the same as yours (Point #4): “wait and see” because I still do not know whether Corey is legit or not. That’s why I am researching it.

But I’d like to add some additional comments about your 4 points:

When proof (conclusive, undeniable) is hard to find (as in this case: Corey’s case), we need to find, at the very least, “the best available evidence”, put those dots together (the dots of the “best evidence”) analyze them impartially and with an open mind, as any good detective would do, and see if they form, or not, a coherent picture or pattern that clearly points in a particular direction which allows us to discern one way or the other.

The problem I see in this Avalon thread is that when you ask about “the best dots” (the best evidence against Corey) to the Avalon members who have already done the research about Corey, what happens is what I explained in my previous post (Post #456, pag. 23, the one you’ve quoted):

They say the best dots exist but they don’t clearly and specifically show them (at least I can’t find them in this thread…?)

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Question for Bill Ryan:

In your last post (#462, pag. 24) you mention again “the dots” (and the “known facts”), but as I say to Andre, when I look for them in this thread and in the links you have shown us, I cannot find them, I can’t find good and solid dots (as I explained in my Post #456, pag. 23.)

What I find, instead, is kind of weak and questionable dots: a lot of speculations, hypothesis, beliefs, contradictions, lack of proof and/or solid evidence, etc.

Let me give you one particular example:

Bill, a few pages back (Post 389, pag 20) you posted the screenshot about Corey supposedly being “on the payroll”, but even Shane (the one who talked to Corey and made the screenshot) says he/she doesn’t believe that’s correct (Post #387, pag 20, and #411, pag. 21):


…Also I would like to state, I am not (which I know for sure) and I do not believe he [Corey] is "on the payroll"…


… That screenshot came from my skype. The conversation was between him and I. I do not believe what he [Corey] claims or that he is on any payroll…

Conclusion: another supposedly good and solid dot (on the payroll) that ends up being questionable or contradictory.

Or do you, Bill, think otherwise?

Do you consider that screenshot being a solid dot against Corey (a solid piece of evidence against him)?

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In summary:

Bill, out of all the dots that you may know against Corey, could you please show us the best dots, the dots you consider to be the best evidence against Corey?

And I’d appreciate that, if instead of you telling us, for instance, “here you have a big mountain range full of dots (a whole thread)”, you could pin-point the specific best dots: “the specific post number of each best dot.”

In other words, could you please tell us the specific “GPS location (posts numbers)” of the best dots you mean?

Thanks.

P.S. If you could find a modern GPS, it could give you the exact locations of the best dots within a few inches error margin, so that we don’t have to look around a whole mountain range supposedly full of the alleged best dots.

By the way, I already did that: look for the best dots in this thread, as you suggested. But I still couldn’t find them. So I guess (deduce) they must not be here, is that right?

[Robin]

By the way, I already did that: look for the best dots in this thread, as you suggested. But I still couldn’t find them. So I guess (deduce) they must not be here, is that right?

May I suggest to you, qbeac, that you try and look at the Big Picture of this whole (somewhat amusing) Corey affair with a different lens? To me you seem like you are using your left-brain over-abundantly, instead of tapping into the wonderful powers of your right-brain.

You are trying to process information using only logic, reasoning, and analytical thought which are aspects of our left-brain. But you do not appear to be using the majestic powers of your right-brain, namely, your intuitive, creative, and holistic way of thinking and processing information. You are thinking too much, and not tapping enough into your feelings and emotions.

What do you feel when you digest Corey's information?

What does your gut-intuition tell you about the way Corey has been presenting himself to the public?

How does the reputation of people like Bill - and his thoughts and opinions - influence your perception of Corey's testimony?

May I suggest you take a lesson from Oprah (http://www.oprah.com/spirit/How-to-Tap-into-the-Right-Side-of-Your-Brain-Martha-Beck-Advice), and tap into your right-brain a bit when deciphering this information? :)

[Lost N Found]

OMG look where this is headed now, seems to be moving towards the Mystic side of things, Here ya go,

Monday, August 10, 2015
GoodETxSG FaceBook Update - August 10, 2015
Sphere Being Alliance's photo.
Hello,

I am currently working on an update. The info for it is unfolding and as a part of that scenario I was asked to post an image of a certain Tarot Card (Admittedly Strange).

From background chatter it sounds like right now is a good time to be either a defector from this group know as the Cabal and join the opposition or take part in the preparation of the World for a full disclosure by coming forward in that arena as a whistleblower.
I hope to have more to report soon.

TY,

Corey/GoodETxSG

https://www.facebook.com/BlueAvians






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Tower Tarot Card Meanings
Tower tarot card meanings Key Words for the Tower Tarot Card Meanings

Change
Eruption
Upheaval
Exposure
Cataclysm
Blind-sided
Sudden Shift



Introduction to the Tower Tarot Card Meanings:
One look at this card and we know something is afoot, and it doesn't look good. The Tower Tarot card is all about change; usually very sudden, not-so-pleasant change.

Changes in life are typically gradual. This allows our minds to accommodate change, or for us to become accustomed to different shifts in our lives. When a sudden, cataclysmic change occurs, such as what the Tower card suggests, it is an anomaly of sorts. Such a drastic upheaval means the Universe trying to wake us up from our zombie-like state. This wake-up call comes in the form of an event that blind-sides us and shakes us out of the fog we've been living in.

When we are so entrenched in one single way of life, or one inflexible way of thinking we sometimes need to get a little rattled to get out of our daze. This is exactly what the Tower card represents. It's as if we we've been comatose and the Universe comes along with those electric paddles to jolt our hearts back to life.

An interesting observation about this card, particularly in this rendition (Morgan-Greer, permission and rights for use detailed on the home page.) is its movement. Clouds are rushing, fire is thrashing, waves are crashing, people are falling, everything is at high-speed motion except for the tower.

This symbolizes that the signs have been all around us. However, we continued to sit in our "ivory tower" or continued to construct our lives based on errant thinking, all the while the storm is brewing, and a fire is blazing right in front of our eyes. So in actuality, the changes foretold in the Tower card aren't so sudden, we were just too blind to the signs. We refused to admit the problems. We simply turned away.

The presence of the Tower card in a reading is nothing to sneeze at. If you've gone through a traumatic shift already, nurture yourself as best you can and learn the lessons that came with the event corresponding with the card. If this card is in your future position take heed of the warning and examine your life. By identifying your ivory tower of illusion, you may save yourself a lot of grief in the future.

Continue Reading at ....... http://www.tarotteachings.com/tower-tarot-card-meanings.html

[KiwiElf]

WHO asked him to post it I wonder? (...and why?) :confused:[The Tower card image]???

[Aspen]

The best proof against the Cory material is that he has given us no solid proof. Without any evidence we are left with nothing. . . . . The other "proof" against the material Corey present is his treatment of Bill and this forum. But of course, because of confidentiality and decorum that happened largely behind the scenes and on other websites. So until we have more than smoke and mirrors there is no reason to have to provide proof "against" Corey when there is no proof "for" Corey. it is a wait and see game . . . . . several people's reputations are at stake. So please tread carefully . . . . It is only human for people not to get along all the time. Perhaps over time as evidence is brought forward and more clarity ensues . . . .peace will prevail. The most important issue is not which individuals are right and which individuals are wrong, the most important issue is what what factors are going to move the human collective in the safe and healthy direction? Certainly we can all just mind our own business and make sure we are each doing the best we can for service to humanity. Against the backdrop of eternity the conflict that has occurred will eventually resolve itself. . . . . .

[Fanna]

Another note worth mentioning about the card is it is right side up. Right side up would imply to me that the transitory/violent nature of this card is from God (or your own relation relative to the cards') rather than from man (the upside down interpretation). Also note the use of the Tower of Babel crumbling. He's used the phrase "Babylonian money magic system" a number of times.
His intense focus on this member of the Cabal in combination with this sentiment makes me think that perhaps one of our greatest enemies is about to become our single most influential benefactor.
Think about him what you may, but his words bring me immense calm when I meditate on them. True or not, this is a mental blueprint if for nothing else other than a collective mindset to put into the universe.

[Mike]

i only have one question..

was this a basic set of mystery cards he was using or a $22 sphere being alliance tarot deck?

[Gemma13]

Yep, gotta love that tarot "reading". Hmmm imagine a clever marketing strategy to commercially capitalize on our reach out for counseling and advice when pain, anguish, or trauma is overbearing causing a desperate need to know that the future will erase such; ya know like stepping it up from the charlatan crystal ballers, palm/card readers, astrologers, priests on pulpits, medics, shrinks, channellings, superheroes, coca cola ads, and so on. Yeah, good one, we now have "whistleblower prophets" on screens with blue bird wallpaper talking in coded "privileged" language no less.
Bloody ingenious!
Personally I preferred the tent, the gypsy, and the crystal ball at the local fair - far more appealing and entertaining to all the senses - not to mention the benefits of a great day out with the family :dancing:

Oh and by the way, no personal attack on you or your family intended Corey ~ I'm just too weak to resist havin' a giggle moment at the expense of your marketing handlers. As I'm certain that underneath all of this unwise camouflage and the fleeting pleasures/security it may provide you with, you have your own need to know issues and insecurities no different to the rest of the world/cosmos ~ no matter how confident anyone's claims are or how far up the "privileged" cosmic food chain they sit which enables them to terrorize and hold themselves and other beings to ransom with the Supreme Ultimate Agenda of trying to coax out/discover/meet, A Truth, A Reality, behind "The Potential and Elusive Unknown Source/Intelligence of All That Is".
Think Big, then think Bigger, then think really, really, really Big, then ponder, then ask the real MO questions . . . that everything else follows on from!
What's that saying . . . oh, yeah that's it . . . "We're all in this [crap] together!" :idea:

What a wonderful brainwave it would be to have all Entities, large and small, unite and share their True Common Goal rather than compartmentalize and compete/destroy for the same result. Imagine the resource capacity this would bring to the table. Oops someone already had that idea, that's right, I forgot, that's what Cosmic AI was created for, and although a grand idea it wasn't thought out too well because of the side effects that emerged from its intelligence agenda, being: eliminate all Entities, large and small, in order to have One Intelligence tackle the One Elusive Intelligence. Oh dear, we do have a lot of work to do!

[KiwiElf]

i only have one question..

was this a basic set of mystery cards he was using or a $22 sphere being alliance tarot deck?

This was the "Tower" card shown on Corey's facebook page - I don't recognise the particular pack: ;)

30761

[Lost N Found]

Well this stuff just keeps coming and coming and going and going. Seems like it is viral everywhere one might go. Here is some more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97gbzbtth5w

[Matthew]

I still find the Corey stuff compelling so thanks for the update. I'm ok with enjoying it at arms length since the pay to play already put me in suspicious mode. If it's mis-information in a comfort blanket then ok cool fine but if what he said is true about his door being forced and stuff then I would wish him exactly the same as I wish any persecuted whistleblower which is peace and safety. I can't shake the feeling those people

Edit: oops pressed post too soon

ehem.. feeling those people who are lying to us are abused themselves

[Bill Ryan]

Well this stuff just keeps coming and coming and going and going. Seems like it is viral everywhere one might go.






https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/97/05/8d/97058dbf1c433b7f9a96edd562eb30de.jpg

[Bingo]

Yes, free formage de illumina which pairs nicely with Kool-aid

[grannyfranny100]

I can't tell you how much I enjoy Bill's image of free cheese in a mouse trap. IMO, it says so much more than pages of words. At this time, many mousetraps with cheese are here. Are we the type of mouse that can get the cheese without getting caught? Do we even inquire if it is a kind of cheese we adore? No doubt this image will appear in my dreams. I believe that many mouse traps are available to us. Each represent a different pathway dependent upon what lessons we each need to learn.

Another image that has appeared in my dreams is the phrase "connecting the dots." It is a more contemporary phase than what I learned years ago in either quantitative or qualitative research methodology. Several months ago, it appeared in a dream as dots on tracing paper that floated over a number of incidents in my life. The dots appearing on the tracing paper and on top of some dots in my life helped me understand the incidents which were healthy and which ones are part of an ongoing theme from several past lives as well as this life. It was quite reassuring that I am resolving this unpleasant theme.

Currently some words from Gandhi are very important to me because they are paired and this is very helpful Gandhi's Seven Sins:
Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle. IMO, these pairs are extremely important in evaluating my own choices as well as choices that other present such as Corey and Wilcox.

Somehow this has kept me from becoming entangled in the debate about the genuineness of this new combined source of Corey and Wilcox. People are on different pathways and some identify strongly for or against this alliance because of their own lesson path. I do not feel that they represent my pathway yet they seem to be important to many others. I wish everyone important discoveries on which ever pathway they select.

[Lost N Found]

Thank you grannyfranny100, you phrased it very good. I have another picture for all of this, A rabbit on a harness with a carrot being dangled in front and a thousand holes all around Oh but which one to jump down first. I agree, Bill's mouse trap with cheese is absolutely perfect. Geez are we all on the hook in some way or another?

[Fanna]

As a player in this great stage and nothing more, I offer another perspective.

Wilcox embodies many of the rather harsh comments regarding him and Goode's message involves leaps of faith that border into the collective savior vibration, which is not the path of our species at this time. However, let us take a step back and look at a hypothetical example of two other persons. Let us imagine that a potential disclosure event involved two whistleblowers from WAY up the Cabal, like FAR worse dudes than a respectable dork and a hyperempathic government background lookin texan. I would be initially very afraid to trust them. Not only trust, but I would initially have much distortion over whether to call them a hero or a villain. But then I'd remember that this is unnecessary. When I peel away Corey and Wilcox temporarily and view with only the sight of my mind and my spirit. What I see is both compelling and concerning, however what I feel is more important.

I feel, rising up within me, a narrative that helps me like a mantra as I stand up to all the ... EVERYTHING that has been happening and everything that have been exponentially escalating for some time now. This mantra is this: Despite whatever "the powers that be" are holding from us (be it a handful of nukes or a handful of solar mining operations), this power is slowly withering. The forces of the universe have aligned to aid, but EXPRESSLY indirectly, in our triumph over this great transgression in the history of Life as far as I'm aware of. This story may be only a story with which to align our own mind/body/spirit, but the bible has about as much solid evidence as Goode and its story/history expresses BOTH one of the most resplendent paths of man into light and simultaneously the ultimate corruption of the said light resulting in said impossibly vast crimes against humanity.

What matters here is not whether we believe the story; what matters here is how we react to something we hear on the internet. Do we search for and comment upon the negative image or do we take something positive from it? And before you choose the negative because you cannot find a positive, remember that you can also simply choose to take nothing at all and move onto bigger fish to fry in the sky.

Namaste

[idiit]

Secret Mars Colonies Trade with up to 900 Extraterrestrial Civilizations

Written by Dr Michael Salla on August 11, 2015. Posted in Featured


http://exopolitics.org/secret-mars-colonies-trade-with-up-to-900-extraterrestrial-civilizations/

[Bill Ryan]

Secret Mars Colonies Trade with up to 900 Extraterrestrial Civilizations

Written by Dr Michael Salla on August 11, 2015.
http://exopolitics.org/secret-mars-colonies-trade-with-up-to-900-extraterrestrial-civilizations/

A couple of comments:


Sgt Clifford Stone has stated that we know of 57 alien races, and Henry Deacon stated that the number was "over 40". Contrast that with the claim here of trading contact with "up to 900".



Henry Deacon stated that the "Mars Tubes" are ancient tunnels, NOT new ones, and are in some state of disrepair (which is what they look like).

[Shadowself]

Corey Goode is drip feeding the alternative community that is all there is to it.

Here's the kicker...if he really knew WHO he was serving with this nonsense would he continue to do it?

My intuition says yes....because his blatant display of SERVICE TO SELF in this completely disregards the service to others he proclaims.


Many of you have contacted me, requested to correct your GaiamTV subscription so that either David, myself or both of us receive a small percentage from your monthly subscription in order to support us financially in what we do.
If you are one of these people who are subscribed to GaiamTV and wish to make a correction, then simply fill out this form and we'll make sure they receive your request to change it.

http://spherebeingalliance.com/gaiamfix

Now go ahead...buy one of his cups and drink his koolaid:

http://spherebeingalliance.com/store

[Pam]

Corey Goode is drip feeding the alternative community that is all there is to it.

Here's the kicker...if he really knew WHO he was serving with this nonsense would he continue to do it?

My intuition says yes....because his blatant display of SERVICE TO SELF in this completely disregards the service to others he proclaims.


Many of you have contacted me, requested to correct your GaiamTV subscription so that either David, myself or both of us receive a small percentage from your monthly subscription in order to support us financially in what we do.
If you are one of these people who are subscribed to GaiamTV and wish to make a correction, then simply fill out this form and we'll make sure they receive your request to change it.

http://spherebeingalliance.com/gaiamfix

Now go ahead...buy one of his cups and drink his koolaid:

http://spherebeingalliance.com/store


I wonder if the government folks at the disability office in Texas, that provides him with a monthly disability check knows about his money making schemes? I know you are supposed to report all income. Actually, if you are well enough to do all of this stuff, why are you too ill to work?

[RunningDeer]

Corey Goode is drip feeding the alternative community that is all there is to it.

Here's the kicker...if he really knew WHO he was serving with this nonsense would he continue to do it?

My intuition says yes....because his blatant display of SERVICE TO SELF in this completely disregards the service to others he proclaims.


Many of you have contacted me, requested to correct your GaiamTV subscription so that either David, myself or both of us receive a small percentage from your monthly subscription in order to support us financially in what we do.
If you are one of these people who are subscribed to GaiamTV and wish to make a correction, then simply fill out this form and we'll make sure they receive your request to change it.

http://spherebeingalliance.com/gaiamfix

Now go ahead...buy one of his cups and drink his koolaid:

http://spherebeingalliance.com/store

(also) DATA COLLECTING @ different levels....


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[Shadowself]

This is for you Corey....because I know you can't keep your eyes away from where you've gotten all this material for your ruse eh?

~

http://i43.tinypic.com/kez34n.jpg

The Path:

Makes no real distinction between body and soul. Body simply extends into the invisible world radiating out in every direction of the Universe.

How much can we Perceive?

Perception overload/adjustment/sequence

Life on the Path is a craft, the aimless wandering of the Fool.

The only unnumbered card; The master of the descending Path, Master of Life.

http://i57.tinypic.com/4g5zd.jpg

Living the Path is finding the energies identified with. Weaving them together in a tapestry by way of the psyche and life's experience.

The work and play of doing this is a strength and healing force. Work/Play engages the imagination.

http://i57.tinypic.com/imj8uf.jpg

Perception by way of the deft art of the Magician

http://i59.tinypic.com/znkk9c.jpg

The Silence of the Path reaches a deafening crescendo! While walking the path deciding which way to go addressing all options.

The foundation of the Path is Compassion

With a weak foundation the tower crumbles to the ground

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=30761&d=1439270724&thumb=1

Or to achieve the stars as Shi Shen ...

http://i57.tinypic.com/11abzw7.jpg

and ultimately the world;

http://i61.tinypic.com/2m3kyef.jpg

~

How's your foundation Corey?

Don't say a word...listen to that deafening crescendo!

And the sounds of silence


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0

[Shadowself]

Ya don't say? In it for money and attention? Really now...

http://i61.tinypic.com/5ww8lu.jpg

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Corey Goode is drip feeding the alternative community that is all there is to it.

Here's the kicker...if he really knew WHO he was serving with this nonsense would he continue to do it?

My intuition says yes....because his blatant display of SERVICE TO SELF in this completely disregards the service to others he proclaims.


Many of you have contacted me, requested to correct your GaiamTV subscription so that either David, myself or both of us receive a small percentage from your monthly subscription in order to support us financially in what we do.
If you are one of these people who are subscribed to GaiamTV and wish to make a correction, then simply fill out this form and we'll make sure they receive your request to change it.

http://spherebeingalliance.com/gaiamfix

Now go ahead...buy one of his cups and drink his koolaid:

http://spherebeingalliance.com/store


I wonder if the government folks at the disability office in Texas, that provides him with a monthly disability check knows about his money making schemes? I know you are supposed to report all income. Actually, if you are well enough to do all of this stuff, why are you too ill to work?

Yes...he will have to report ALL INCOME. Because this so called truth has become a business for him....
...And the people bowed an prayed...to vetted [cough] god they made.

[Agape]

Yes...he will have to report ALL INCOME. Because this so called truth has become a business for him....
...And the people bowed an prayed...to vetted [cough] god they made.


To business people gods are business too ( don't you know:bigsmile: ) . It's old as this mankind itself , so is trade .. it was specifically invented to keep people entertained ..
with good few options of exiting the game .

The problem is .. the system is muddled nowadays that it's almost impossible to quit without paying back to the system .
It's easy to end up living penniless on the outskirts of society and the society won't forgive you , your professed short comings .

I don't think that selling T-shirts is the major problem here .


Accuracy and validity information really is a problem . Every one of us is humanly , temporary and transient , we're here for short time and gone .
If we failed to do our best there are always 2 sides to it ( at least ).
We are transient but whatever remains 'valid' and etched in peoples memory is where any particular information helped them evolve their opinion.

[Jake]

It's easy to end up living penniless on the outskirts of society and the society won't forgive you , your professed short comings .


Actually,, its not that bad! :) May even be required before the end! I had the same choices as some of the iconic figures in this game! I Refused!!! PERIOD!!!! Could I use the money now? You bet yer arsse!! I see these con artists scamming people for cash with smiles and middle fingers and it is ugly! These same a$$holes,,, WITH A STRAIGHT FACE,,, cry and wine,, "poor me, poor poor me!" Wow!

I have my soul! Others have coffee mugs and keychains!

I have my soul! Others have promises of saviors and ETS with Tarot cards....

I have my soul!!! I am penniless, living on the outskirts of society! But I still have my soul!

After this is over, Corey wont be able to find work at a snack bar! I am full circle now,,,, and feel soooooo sorry for hem.......

I dont feel the same for folks who are cheering him on! Shame on you!

Jake

[Shadowself]

Bravissimo Jake!

I have my soul too. It's intact and cannot be sold for one thin dime!

I got up and walked away from a crap load of money. I'm feeling much better for it now.

[Pam]

Corey Goode is drip feeding the alternative community that is all there is to it.

Here's the kicker...if he really knew WHO he was serving with this nonsense would he continue to do it?

My intuition says yes....because his blatant display of SERVICE TO SELF in this completely disregards the service to others he proclaims.



Many of you have contacted me, requested to correct your GaiamTV subscription so that either David, myself or both of us receive a small percentage from your monthly subscription in order to support us financially in what we do.



If you are one of these people who are subscribed to GaiamTV and wish to make a correction, then simply fill out this form and we'll make sure they receive your request to change it.

http://spherebeingalliance.com/gaiamfix

Now go ahead...buy one of his cups and drink his koolaid:

http://spherebeingalliance.com/store

(also) DATA COLLECTING @ different levels....


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/pull-down_zpspdxfekia.jpg




Does anyone find this as bizarre as I do? He went into the Gaiam TV interviews with an agreement. Apparently, he agreed to do it without pay. But now because he is being barraged with people wanting part of their Gaiam subscription to go to him, he is going to provide a form so that these folks can petition Gaiam to shell out money to him, or David, or both, you get to pick???? Are you kidding? What a cowardly way to try to get some money. Talk about lack of integrity. If he agreed to do the thing for free, at least stand by your agreement, or negotiate another agreement if you feel you are worth it.. He is trying to get his minions to beg Gaiam to pay him. If any of his followers are so concerned about giving him money, they can give him money. It seems really underhanded and sleazy to get others to ask for payment, but that appears to be the way he operates.

Can you imagine accepting a job and salary, then asking the customers to badger your new employer to give you more money then what you agreed upon, rather then asking for a raise yourself. I think he has a really exaggerated opinion of his worth.

[Matthew]

The pay to play made me suspicious, the gift shop made me chuckle, it was the flag connection (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84013-What-to-Believe.........--Wilcock-interviews-Corey-Goode-on-GaimTV-July-2015-&p=987061&viewfull=1#post987061) that made me think I need to be slightly more concerned

[araucaria]

Well, I have to admit this tower tarot card is an interesting twist, on a totally personal level at least :)
This is not Corey telling me: it’s me telling Corey. Will he be interested? I doubt it.

Several times this week, owing to back trouble, I have been nicknamed the leaning tower of Pisa. This led to discussions among those of us who have been there and seen it. Someone said after recent consolidation it is good for another couple of centuries at least. The following article explains how it is not a straight tower that tipped over; it was already leaning as it was going up, with various corrective measures made on the way, so it really is as twisted as an old man with a sore back. Hence, as suggested to me by a typo in this webpage, it is very much a ‘learning tower’, and this in turn has made it possible for secure foundations to be put in place last. There you have my personal reading of myself as the tower – not at all the ‘ivory tower of illusion’ of post #466, and not at all a symbolic tarot card: my own flesh and blood; I can literally feel it in my bones – something more solid than anything built on sand really ought to be.
http://www.towerofpisa.org/tower-of-pisa-historical-facts/

To go with this there has also been a little Sturm und Drang (storm and stress). On Sunday, the day I damaged my back for no apparent reason, I broke a tower-shaped champagne glass set upside down on the draining-board. Then the other day, at the tennis club, we had an unheard-of mini-tornado appear out of a blue sky. The whirlwind created a sandstorm on the clay court just to my left and went on to knock over a parasol just behind me and smash the glass-topped table under it. It also blew my cap off, but not so far I couldn’t recover it. There was more shattered glass today when someone went berserk and malicious damage was done to the windows of a couple of vehicles, including mine. Here’s my own reading of this eventful but almost insignificant local and personal situation: fragile glass can shatter, and the sand it is made from can blow away, but the learning tower is on firmer ground and will also survive tonight’s expected hailstorm, as it did Monday night’s deluge.

That’s just the view from here, folks. Turn it into a planetary or even cosmic drama if you must, but it doesn’t have to be that way. We get nothing that is too big to handle, unless we make it so. Seeing the big picture is just another mantra if you can’t see the trees for the wood. How can Corey (or anyone else) bring peace to the world when he couldn’t keep peace with the small group at Avalon? The supposed rights and wrongs of this argument are ultimately irrelevant because the arguing itself is endlessly way off target.

[araucaria]

Some further thoughts on getting things in perspective. Small issues become large when they are not dealt with when small. The guy who smashed our car window told the police we had scraped his car maybe 15 years ago. The normal reaction to a scraped car 15 years ago would be to have put it down to one of life’s little trials and forgotten all about it 14 years ago. But no; his harbouring various grievances against others has blown up into several incidents more serious than this one, and now law enforcement is having to help him deal with his issues. There is no end to the lengths this rancour can reach, especially when allowed to reach truly epidemic proportions as it has in the modern world. The passage from victim to perpetrator is contagious in nature, and the worsening symptoms follow the path of such an illness. The same criminal behaviour extends all the way up to MKUltra, milabs, and all the other ghastly stuff the cabal is guilty of. And the child’s fear of anything that seems threatening from being unknown will, if not calmed but exacerbated instead, will go all the way up to evil alien monsters and the like. You can of course change the evil monsters into benevolent Blue Avians, but to do so fails to address the basic issue, which is one of scale, and hence of understanding what is actually going on. Edgar Allan Poe illustrates this extremely well in his tale “The Sphinx”. What appears to be a huge monster at a great distance turns out to be a tiny insect seen from very close up.
http://www.eapoe.org/works/tales/sphinxc.htm

This is precisely why we keep harping on about doing the inner work – the inner work here being the work of the lepidopterist studying at the level of what is really happening. In the everyday world, this means taking life’s little knocks in your stride (i.e. forgiving), and forgiving yourself for the ones you inevitably hand out as well; in other words making molehills out of molehills, and sometimes making molehills out of mountains, i.e. scaling things down to a manageable level rather than escalating them out of control. The advantage of this approach also lies in the way it scales ourselves up to the huge size and status of the benevolent alien, just as the man in the story would appear to the tiny insect if we turn things around in this manner. We can laugh at ourselves as grown men and women getting scared of something so minute.

The happy relaxed world we all aspire to is there for the taking if we merely realize that it is not somewhere where life’s little knocks no longer exist, simply a place where we are big enough to make and accept apologies and laugh them all off. This becomes easier when people understand that if we can keep to this level, nothing is deliberate or malicious, only ever becoming so when things get out of hand. This is a description of the healing process we have embarked on, as opposed to listening to sufferers and taking their narratives at face value. It would be madness to do that, nay, it is madness to do that; it is the very thing we have got to stop.

[KiwiElf]

Well, with events being as they are in the world at the moment, you can't go too far wrong presenting The Tower;... I'll even go so far as to make a "future prediction" (gulp!!!) ... things are going to get a lot worse before they get better! (Can't go too far wrong with that one! ;))

[HaveBlue]

So says psychiatrist Colin Ross, author of BLUEBIRD: Excerpt from http://educate-yourself.org/cn/mkultrapatsiesoct2001.shtml#top

[Sierra]

The pay to play made me suspicious, the gift shop made me chuckle, it was the flag connection (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84013-What-to-Believe.........--Wilcock-interviews-Corey-Goode-on-GaimTV-July-2015-&p=987061&viewfull=1#post987061) that made me think I need to be slightly more concerned

I agree, that is a red flag. Reminds me that the U.N. is a body the freaks would like to use to rule the world or as an "international" entity to control communications with off world entities.

How could that be any better than the situation we have now, with various PTB bodies aligned in theory with competing extraterrestrial bodies.

But... I tend to think it is simply more Corey BS Bluebird mind control.

Did you ever notice how Corey is fixated on "we all think all MC victims are assassins"? Actually, no one was ever given a chance to say anything else because Corey was off and running for six months dragging Avalon through this particular let me distract you meme. I think Corey fits a Gamma profile, not a Delta profile (Deltas are assassins, Gammas are disinfo, distractors, honey pots to mind control the victims back into their prison pens).

Such a silly, silly point to base the ensuing fracas... But it sure fits the Bluebird mind control scenario. Corey is doing a good job in that respect. And THAT is why it is so important to expose him.

[Lost N Found]

Well here is some more cheese bits, Just for looking, do not touch.

http://www.spherebeingalliance.com/blog/a-good-time-to-be-a-cabal-defector-or-whistleblower.html

[Rha S ananda]

full posting here(with more addons re other recent postings this is the main one i copied:
http://sitsshow.blogspot.nl/2015/08/clearing-disinfo-haze-there-are-no.html
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Clearing The Disinfo Haze: There Are NO Predictions For Disclosure This Fall, Humanity Is Freeing Itself, NOT The Sphere Alliance | Corey GoodETxSG

Corey has been active the past few days. He is taking a 10 day vacation with his family, but he did release some intel in relation to Gonzales and his recent activities 'up there.'

Corey also categorically addressed a huge number of points related to the unfounded claims of detractors. If you are on the fence about timelines, predictions, AI pysop scares or in what capacity the Sphere Beings are assisting humanity - you'll want to read and share this update.

My commentary will be in [green brackets] with Corey's text in black.

If you do not already have a GaiamTV subscription, and want to support Corey, use this link here: blueavians.com (http://blueavians.com/).

For other updates by Corey GoodETxSG click here. To support Corey and his work click here.


- Justin

Comment on blog post about Kerry Cassidy and the "Blue Avian Psyop" (Stasis Being Videos, 'Avian' Style Crop Circles, Addressing Detractors: Ruiner, Project Camelot and Project Avalon | Corey GoodETxSG) (http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2015/08/stasis-being-videos-avian-style-crop.html):

A question to anyone who knows. Cassidy and a few others who have come out against Corey have been adamant that the Blue Avians are AI - but I don't recall hearing that from Corey or David. I haven't seen all of the Gaiam interviews so it's possible I missed that part...? It doesn't seem accurate so could someone please clarify for me? Thanking you in advance!



My response:

Justin Deschamps (https://plus.google.com/+JustinDeschamps)Great question to ask. Corey has actually a great deal of information discussing the A.I. infiltration on Earth. Here is a few links you may want to review:

http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2015/05/analysis-of-ai-influences-on-earth-and.html

http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2015/06/self-mastery-and-discernment-are.html

http://goodetxsg-secretspaceprogram.blogspot.com/2014/12/concerning-various-secret-space.html

Corey's Response:

SphereBeing Alliance (https://plus.google.com/+SphereBeingAlliance) Cassidy is a whole other story and there is more than just her UFO Religious Beliefs and Agenda to protect in this situation. All of the skypes/emails I have between her and I when we first communicated were so bizarre that there is another component at work. If someone is being mentally triggered, manipulated or made reactionary is has not been myself. I have been thinking how to respond to much of this. I was looking over the communications with her (Including the ones where I had to get Google/YouTube Security involved because she outed my full name, used it without permission and after I had repeatedly told her I was to remain anonymous. After I politely refused an on camera interview (All she is really interested in) the 3rd time she decided she would out my name because "The cabal know who you are already". Is this what potential whistleblowers want to face when coming out? Do they want to possibly have a researcher make a judgement call and decide that the whistleblowers security measures are silly so they might as well provide all of the data publicly? A person was put in place to split up Camelot in recent years and both parties have been living off of a legacy of some good work. Now that legacy is being risked by tossing around labels that will silence many of the future whistleblowers that may have come forward. Back "in the day" when their legacy was strong they would not have acted so cavalierly. Researchers often make the mistake of moving from covering a great story to feeling the need to write themselves into the narrative. This is seen with all of the detractors. We also see that they are also quoting information that is fragmented, taken out of context (Mis-Information) or in some cases have even conspired in communications to put forth information that they know is untrue to further their agenda. That is dis-information pure and simple.

[I can not speak to the intentions of detractors, but when reviewing their commentary, in nearly all cases there is not a clear articulation of the 'facts'. The facts in this case are what Corey has actually said, whether or not these things are actually true is unclear, but he did say them. The statements he has provided, his testimony, is real, which we can agree are 'facts'. Kerry has put out an enormous amount of high quality work in a fairly objective fashion, and her recent, inaccurate, perspectives on Corey do not detract from this.

All of this can be discussed as a process of discernment, which has 3 phases of progression; observation, contemplation and evaluation. How can we discern if a thing is true without first gaining complete knowledge about what it discusses? Can we determine if the sky is clear without actually looking outside? The ability to set aside our biases and preconceived notions about a topic is essential so we can observe it clearly. Then once we have taken stock of the topic, we can begin to contemplate it. This is where we put 'facts' on the table and compare them against each other. Once all the facts surrounding a topic have been evaluated, we can now conclude what we think it means; if it is true, if it accurately reflects reality. This is the final product of a discernment process, a possible conclusion. The quality of the discerned result depends directly on the preceding steps used. Again how can we determine the truthfulness of something without gaining knowledge of it first?

What I have observed in nearly all the detractors is an incomplete set of observed data, which in turn skews the contemplation process. In the absence of all the facts, we tend to make conclusions based on what we do know, our pre-existing knowledge and preconceived notions. I just recently came across a forum thread where some were claiming Corey is an Illuminati Agent working to promote a Project Blue Beam agenda. The basis to support this conclusion, the observed facts, were Corey's use of the word 'blue' in several updates. This is a highly dubious set of logic, similar to saying that because all people who drink water die eventually, then water must be their cause of death. Correlation is not causation, in other words, elephants are grey, but not all grey things are elephants.

In this respect the conclusions drawn by the detractors reveals their incomplete knowledge and observation of Corey's work, which of course hinders their ability to come to an accurate conclusion.]

The "CABAL" or "Illuminati" (Who ARE AI Prophets) 1. Would NOT expose the incredible magnitude of the AI Threat to the population 2. Would NOT reveal the secret to black magic/power over us (Our Mass Consciousness) OR how WE can use it as a tool for our liberation from the Cabal... 3. Would NOT provide the details of the various SSP's and their infrastructure when they have a good portion of their Military/Intel Agencies believing that the toys they are playing with are state of the art. 4. Detailing and Listing the Crimes Against humanity that evidence and witnesses are being compiled against that weren't being discussed in conspiracy theories already (Interstellar Slave trade etc...). 5. Would NOT approve of humanity working on the power of their shared consciousness but also working to raise their vibrations and to become more loving/forgiving (Sound Luciferian yet?), Service To Others or to free ourselves from karma and past pain by forgiveness of self or of others. I could go down and list many other reasons why these detractors are not only off base but in some cases have just become compromised themselves or are jumping on a bandwagon before they do any research what so ever!

Humanity has been programmed to FOLLOW... To look for someone to save them or give them the answers. ALL who have truly looked at the information I have provided have seen that there is no catch, no hook...

NO AI OR CABAL MIND CONTROL PSY-OP!

The World is existing in a Cabal Mind Control Psy-Op right now that they think is reality. Those that have looked at the info I have presented have seen that I have ALWAYS asked you to use your own discernment filter. I have Never given the impression that I am a Guru, have all the answers or that the Sphere Being Alliance are "Saviors". I say stop going from website to website looking for people to tell you what to think about any material. Do the research yourself and then you will discern what resonates as truth. Skepticism is to be expected with all of the different dates and promises that have come and gone. Much of this however has been different than healthy skepticism however.

[A skeptic, in a classical sense, was one who does not accept something at face value. Instead they research and gather as much data as possible, before making a conclusion; and that conclusion is always subject to change once new data is received. In this sense, dismissing an idea without evaluation, research or study is close-mindedness, not skepticism. In nearly every case I have come across for someone dismissing Corey, it is not based on a logical process of research and investigation, it is based on lack of knowledge of Corey's work and speculation. On the other side of the coin, accepting his narrative as absolute truth is also not a valid discernment process. Ultimately both work on feeling and emotion; if it feels good we tend to accept it, if it feels bad we tend to reject it. But without observation, without complete knowledge of the facts, we won't have anything more than blind faith in either respect. Hence, holistic discernment always seeks to know the details fully. We would know why we think something is true, and can consciously cite what that conclusion is based on; the observable evidence within our store of knowledge.]

I do think that people should be careful of what they are saying online especially when they have left such a clear trail of communications with other parties out there that will just be extremely embarrassing if they were to surface. If they are not embarrassed by the behavior displayed in some of these communication trails then it is more of an ethical issue.

It is also wise to not do anything that will scare away those who are on the fence about coming forward with their experiences and knowledge. If your actions are based on just because you do not like a researcher (jealousy/rivalry?) they are working with or some of their info contradicts your beliefs then you may have lost sight of what is important while rationalizing it and wrapping yourself in your beliefs.

I have no problem with skeptics, but now that anyone can open a blog and make just about any claim they wish or attack anyone they like with manufactured data and we have once respected researchers glumming onto that info without fully researching the data and then going on the attack they become trolls. There is a difference between an intellectual discourse and attack campaigns.

[Discourse is the open and unbiased discussion of ideas so as to pool one's resources with others to gain insight into the truth. Conversely, a close-minded discussion or 'attack' is chiefly focused on pushing our conclusions on to others, regardless if they are accurate or not. Discourse is an essential tool in these waking times I think, as we all have a unique perspective, but it is incomplete in relation to the whole truth. Only by working together can we develop a more clear picture of what IS.]

This type of behavior is to be expected on all of these hate filled Internet Forums and many blogs. Serious and "Professional" researchers however acting the way that has occurred is something completely different. This not only has the potential to seriously tarnish reputations (where NO one credible will want to interview with) to even ripping apart the loosely nit group of professionals in the "Ufology" or "Truther" field. Trust will certainly be damaged and a certain amount of doubt could cloud the field for years.

We have ignored most of the attacks that were co-ordinated for the week of our show Cosmic Disclosure's release. A few people were suckered into comments during that time window but if you look at the people, dates of their "reports", the contents of the reports along with the fact that a group of them were collaborating in Skypes/Emails rules "coincidence" out of the equation of the timing.
The fact is I never planned on coming out into the open. I was manipulated and coerced into it by a couple of unethical individuals who I had great trust and admiration for at one time. No matter how they try to rewrite the history of what occurred behind the scenes between us the evidence will always speak for itself if the need ever arises to publish it amid more attacks that are based on dis-information and lies. I have no problem with genuine skeptics or people who disagree with me (I will not label them a troll just for that). We all live in our own reality bubble as it is until we are forced out of it at some point.

In closing all I can say is do the research yourself, use YOUR OWN discernment on the info presented and not just parrott data blogged about by often unstable or just misinformed individuals. There is a LOT of disinformation in this field right now and there is also a LOT of Extreme Narcissism and Christ Complexes working high up in this field. Where we are seeking humility and enlightenment in professionals we are often receiving Egomania and battle over UFO Dogma or defending their Core Content for their upcoming books. If everyone begins to look a little deeper and question agenda's of the attackers quite a lot begins to become more transparent... I hope that response covers Patricia & Justin's questions/comments above.
TY, Corey/GoodETxSG
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[Jake]

Crap crap and more crap!! Now he's got the secret emails to bring down Kerry? This person calls people out for making money off of their research??? What a joke! Makin an honest living there Corey?

Im baffled by the Corey mouthpieces that linger...


With a straight face, he condemns data miners and BS artists makin money off of ignorance...



Gross.
jake

[raregem]

Leave it to someone from Texas to really mess things up... :pound:
And why is that , please ? Signed, TEXAN :fencing:
Just playing with you. I get embarrassed by some Texans but mostly NO !