The Corey Goode affair: various updates from David Wilcock

[Rocky_Shorz]

The mentality of a population is known by the leaders they choose. . Rick Perry says it all... :pound:

[Robin]

The pay to play made me suspicious, the gift shop made me chuckle, it was the flag connection (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84013-What-to-Believe.........--Wilcock-interviews-Corey-Goode-on-GaimTV-July-2015-&p=987061&viewfull=1#post987061) that made me think I need to be slightly more concerned

I just want to place the same post in this thread as I think it is important...


I'm still wondering why The Sphere-Being Alliance's logo looks remarkably similar to the United Nations logo...


http://www.spherebeingalliance.com/thumb.php?src=e_MEDIA_IMAGE%2F2015-06%2FSphere_Alliance_LOGO.jpg&w=900&h=300

http://www.mpsaz.org/mtnview/activities/classroom_groups/model_un/images/un_logo.gif

[ceetee9]

The mentality of a population is known by the leaders they choose. . Rick Perry says it all... :pound:Yes, just look at all the "leaders" (and I use the term sarcastically) virtually every state has elected to office. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of sheep and clueless folks in the good ole USA. ;)

[Bill Ryan]

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More from this web page:
http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2015/08/mini-update-corey-and-david-interviews.html

(see this post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=989872&viewfull=1#post989872) (#498, by Rha S ananda)


I quote this part (though there's much more where this came from). There will be no smiley faces in this post of mine. I find this offensive.





Sphere Being Alliance: (https://www.facebook.com/BlueAvians)
Cobra was attacked in one of the same blogs that I was. Alfred Webre has gone rogue in a major way. You should see the emails that he is sending to people who support myself or Cobra that are being forwarded to me. He is VERY nasty to them (Reactionary behavior once again) and always pushes his new book that has some conflicting info but also quite a lot of info to support both myself and Cobra...

I am really spending a lot of time sitting back letting these people hang themselves. David Sweet/Earth Sheriff has been taunting me in emails (Kept them all, he looks insane in them) while I have also been contacted by a couple people who he has trolled/stalked and they have given me the few aliases he uses (Sweet is not his real name) as well as his criminal and psychiatric records (Much of which are public and are shocking)... I have received quite a lot of information on another blogger who "Loves" to attack me. Their information is also quite shocking and will quickly cause the people they have been working with to distance themselves from them...

The list of communications/paper trails is vast and very ugly (Not to mention a mind control expert who is a "Former Illuminati" disinfo agent that Bill Ryan is calling an "Illuminati White Hat" who is the most mind controlled and mind controlling of them all, and soon to be given a larger stage by K.C. [Kerry Cassidy] who has also been duped). There are two Private Investigators that I think will be distancing themselves from this situation as well that were talked into taking a case against me based on lies (Right Todd?). When ever have you seen so many people so reactionary on such a large scale? There are dozens of people out there who claim to have been involved in the SSP's and in contact with multiple ET's...

Why is this [or my] information being attacked so strongly? The AI Prophets and Cabal are very upset that is why! As stated prior, much of this was info that was NEVER supposed to make it into the public mind. The cabal had done a good job of controlling researchers and those being interviewed up until this point... It is now time for some of those who know these same details to come forward, including former Camelot and other whistleblowers who walked right up to the line but didn't cross it when it came to disclosing this info to humanity.


Here are a few edited posts (of mine only) from a private Skype chat with a friend, who is very well aware of the truth behind this situation, and who brought it to my attention this morning.




Bill: Thank you!

Well, re "former Camelot and other whistleblowers who walked right up to the line but didn't cross it when it came to disclosing this info to humanity"...
You may have seen this:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=983917&viewfull=1#post983917
... about my good friend, Jon Danner, a wonderful man, who was killed for stating that he was going to appear in public and say more about what he knew.

Corey also needs to be a little careful.... some of the Camelot whistleblowers he refers to are also sources for David Wilcock, of course.

There's a lot of narcissism coming out for all to see. It's so clear. His post is funny, in a way... but it's also very offensive to a whole host of good people.

I am really starting to think that although this is almost a meaningless term as regards medical accuracy, Corey can be regarded as mentally ill.

I've said earlier that I think Corey is a narcissistic sociopath, by all the definitions I know and which can be looked up. That's probably more reasonably accurate.

It may well be that those of the real white hats who are watching all this play out are figuring that if he continues like this, he will hang himself in the eyes of more and more, and therefore no real action needs to be taken by anyone. He (or his stance) may simply self-destruct in some form. He's playing the 'persecuted, unappreciated victim' more and more.

What I write sometimes might be seen as showing lack of compassion. Actually, not so. It's a very tragic situation. He has a wife who may have no control over any of this, and young kids who are innocents.

And Corey is someone who has been abused himself (in one form or another), is on medication and disability allowance, and is to some degree a broken man who for a long time was not working and was in need of a job. It's genuinely a sad thing which is happening in front of our eyes.

And it could be greatly damaging for the alternative community. Strangely, there are some highly intelligent people (David is one of them) who cannot see what is happening. There may be a mechanism at play, but I would not be too sure precisely what it is. I might guess, though. David surely MUST be being advised by some to distance himself from this kind of diatribe. I'd be very surprised if not.

At his very best, David could be a real Jedi hero for the human race. When he's not at his best, he can make mistakes, like we all can. I do know how excellent he can be, and what his potential is. I used to know him personally, quite well. He has an immense intellect, a huge capacity for information retention, and is highly articulate and personable. But to use all those personal resources, he has to make wise calls. In this situation, he has a real chance to move to the next level. We do need him on the team.

At the moment though, as best I know, David is not listening to anyone. But I'll bet anyone quite a lot that there are many people who know exactly what is going on, and who are strongly urging him to take a rather different stance.

If David were to have an epiphany and say:
"You know what? I think I've gone rather too far with all this, rather too fast, and I have to admit that there are some problems with the provenance of all the information. I'm going to take a rain check while I figure it all out and consult some others who I trust a great deal"
— he'd get nothing but respect from everyone. It would do him immense credit in the eyes of tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands. And the real white hats on the inside would greatly respect him for that, too... as would I, and literally everyone I know, who is well-informed, who is watching this carefully.

[Delight]

http://i61.tinypic.com/5ww8lu.jpg[COLOR="red"]



This is a must see video IMO. Don't be put off by the title.

16WtoFrlQRk

EDIT

Corey Goode is trying to manufacture Flying Monkeys and so this is an opportunity to see this capacity.

https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1610036_749911505021357_545884915_n.jpg?oh=39cadc08ba8011944b1d0e9918c112e1&oe=56814F4B


Narcissists are known for playing the victim while vilifying the true victims and using flying monkeys to inflict abuse by proxy.


flying monkeys do the bidding of the Wicked Witch. The flying monkeys may be your neighbor, church members, siblings, aunts, uncles, grandmother, grandfather, nieces, nephews, etc. These people do the narcissist's dirty work and often pour their own abuse on the scapegoat.

I spent years of my life trying to show various flying monkeys the truth. It virtually never worked, not once in the twenty or so years I kept trying to "clear the air" or to finally be understood. They do not understand because they do not want to understand. Many are willfully ignorant and blind to the situation. There is not some magical phrase and method you have not yet discovered that is suddenly going to cause these people to stand up for the truth.

What I have realized is the flying monkeys generally have their own reasons for behaving the way they do. Some may truly do it out of ignorance, truly fooled for years by the narcissist. However, it is my experience that most flying monkeys have weak characters.

They may know the truth, but lack the backbone to stand up for what is right. They may themselves fear becoming a target of the narcissist. They may have been a target of the narcissist in the past. They may have been taught to get along with everyone regardless. They may also be a narcissist themselves or hiding their own troubling behavior.
- See more at: http://echorecovery.blogspot.com/2013/12/flying-monkeys-no-contact-or-low-contact.html#sthash.HfLSHbSd.dpuf

https://galesmind.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/wpid-wp-1424363312968.jpeg%3Fw%3D350%26h%3D200%26crop%3D1



The narcissist’s smear campaign involves gossip, lies and slander. You can become the target of a narcissist’s smear campaign for numerous reasons. It can be anything from their insane jealousy, to the fact that the narcissist knows you see through their facade, to concealing their abuse or for simply disagreeing with them.

In my experience, the smear campaign is always used by abusers for what they consider premeditated damage control in anticipation of exposure.

Read more at http://www.sagaciousnewsnetwork.com/the-narcissists-smear-campaign/#4bhQebuDgXCYu8LI.99

https://myfatherinheavenisperfect.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/more-heart-wm.jpg?w=397&h=500

[RunningDeer]

This is a must see video IMO. Don't be put off by the title.


16WtoFrlQRk

SPARTANLIFECOACH YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/SPARTANLIFECOACH/videos) - “a fresh approach to personal growth and healing”

The video was uploaded about a month ago and it already has 45,524 hits.

Kindle edition, reviews, and 'a look inside' - HOW TO TAKE REVENGE ON A NARCISSIST: Take your power back by using the secret techniques of emotional manipulators - against them (http://www.amazon.com/HOW-TAKE-REVENGE-NARCISSIST-manipulators-ebook/dp/B0116N0KYU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439935093&sr=8-1&keywords=How+to+Take+Revenge+On+A+Narcissist), by Leyla Loric & Richard Grannon

Leyla Loric’s site navs-recovery.com (http://navs-recovery.com)

Summary:
Published on Jul 28, 2015

"Written from the perspective of Leyla, a biologist and Richard, a psychologist, "How to Take Revenge on a Narcissist (http://www.amazon.com/HOW-TAKE-REVENGE-NARCISSIST-manipulators-ebook/dp/B0116N0KYU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439935093&sr=8-1&keywords=How+to+Take+Revenge+On+A+Narcissist)" is a multi layered take on what it is like to be the victim of narcissistic abuse, the invisible scars it leaves and the crippling desire for vengeance and closure that infects the target long after the narc has moved on to fresh prey. A manual full of practical tips, tricks and tactics that teaches how to get inside the mechanics of the narc psyche to cause maximum angst to the predator.

Learn practical research-based strategies that empower you to either take revenge or through understanding find the strength to disengage across a variety of contexts and objectives.

Not every narcissist will be an ex lover, sometimes it could be a boss, family member or just some irritating dimwit at work who cant shut up. This book covers a spectrum of contexts and needs from outing a narcissists true nature in a court room, to a cutting put-down in a bar.

Whilst this book handles a serious subject, every effort has been made to lighten the darkness and to use humour to give some healthier options of response. Whether you choose (as a mature, responsible grown up) to use it as an actual guidebook for vengeful action, an exercise in angry fantasizing or as a means of just letting go, this book is a sincere effort by two people who have experienced narcissistic abuse to bring peace to the victims of this horrible, potentially life destroying disorder. "

[RunningDeer]

Corey Goode is trying to manufacture Flying Monkeys and so this is an opportunity to see this capacity.


https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1610036_749911505021357_545884915_n.jpg?oh=39cadc08ba8011944b1d0e9918c112e1&oe=56814F4B


Narcissists are known for playing the victim while vilifying the true victims and using flying monkeys to inflict abuse by proxy.


flying monkeys do the bidding of the Wicked Witch. The flying monkeys may be your neighbor, church members, siblings, aunts, uncles, grandmother, grandfather, nieces, nephews, etc. These people do the narcissist's dirty work and often pour their own abuse on the scapegoat.

I spent years of my life trying to show various flying monkeys the truth. It virtually never worked, not once in the twenty or so years I kept trying to "clear the air" or to finally be understood. They do not understand because they do not want to understand. Many are willfully ignorant and blind to the situation. There is not some magical phrase and method you have not yet discovered that is suddenly going to cause these people to stand up for the truth.

What I have realized is the flying monkeys generally have their own reasons for behaving the way they do. Some may truly do it out of ignorance, truly fooled for years by the narcissist. However, it is my experience that most flying monkeys have weak characters.

They may know the truth, but lack the backbone to stand up for what is right. They may themselves fear becoming a target of the narcissist. They may have been a target of the narcissist in the past. They may have been taught to get along with everyone regardless. They may also be a narcissist themselves or hiding their own troubling behavior.
- See more at: http://echorecovery.blogspot.com/2013/12/flying-monkeys-no-contact-or-low-contact.html#sthash.HfLSHbSd.dpuf


https://galesmind.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/wpid-wp-1424363312968.jpeg%3Fw%3D350%26h%3D200%26crop%3D1



The narcissist’s smear campaign involves gossip, lies and slander. You can become the target of a narcissist’s smear campaign for numerous reasons. It can be anything from their insane jealousy, to the fact that the narcissist knows you see through their facade, to concealing their abuse or for simply disagreeing with them.

In my experience, the smear campaign is always used by abusers for what they consider premeditated damage control in anticipation of exposure.

Read more at http://www.sagaciousnewsnetwork.com/the-narcissists-smear-campaign/#4bhQebuDgXCYu8LI.99


https://myfatherinheavenisperfect.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/more-heart-wm.jpg?w=397&h=500

Gail Meyers’ YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYjbaMbdZYDZ6f6UlIglZWA), echorecovery.blogspot.com (http://echorecovery.blogspot.com) & Narcissistic Abuse article (http://echorecovery.blogspot.com/2013/12/flying-monkeys-no-contact-or-low-contact.html)


Do Not Become a Narcissist's Flying Monkey - Manipulation with Pity - Abuse by Proxy
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Published on Mar 4, 2015

Sympathy and pity can be compassionate responses to true victims, but there are those among us who play on these emotions to manipulate and hurt innocent people.

[Snoweagle]

From my perspective I lost interest in his "story" when I suspected a con at his explanation or attempts to describe or explain the technologies. It started well but declined as he seemed to lose his way which I saw as key signs he was "winging" it to impress the audience. It was apparantly easy. The desire for contact with extraterrestrials was fuel to amplify interest and to me, seemed to confuse the whole darned thing. Basically the science he described was "senseless" and the relationships within alien contact was quite honestly absurd. I gave him no credance whatsoever in respect to the science , technology or intergalatic relations. In my opinion.

However, having explained Goodes stories influence on me, I was interested in the overview of what the story promoted, as I firmly believe he has been programmed or influenced by major events in his work or private life. The discussion regarding narcissism I agree is very relevant and appropriate but what is unknown is the catalyst, stimuli or process that triggered his stories emphasis. As, if he does attain the monocle of a "liar" this will have major repercussions within the alternative media and potentially damage the community for years.

Overall he didn't reveal anything new in respect of science worth noting. And as for the Spehere beings say "hi" for me:-)

I never posted on any of his work before and am confident I will not have any interest in doing so in the future.

OMG wtf !
GoodesTX has a Souvenir Shop . . . ROFLMAO

@Bill I followed the links in your article and discovered the sounvenir shop thang there. That is so unfair. I wish you had posted that first as I wouldn't have bothered with my opening remarks.

There you go. Much respect to GoodesTX. Qualifies as an honourable mention in Marketing and Business Promotion. Thats all this he has done. Absolutely no difference to the pre Christmas promotion of the Cabbage Patch doll phenomenon a few years ago. Mickey Mouse, Yogi Bear and Scooby Doo for the adult masses.

Land of the free. Make money at the expense of others. Great business plan.

Immoral? That's your choice of opinion.

[Carmody]

I ignored this whole thing from day one.

My few posts here, are my greatest involvement.

Like the man said in Star Wars, "Stay on target".

[Shadowself]

From my perspective I lost interest in his "story" when I suspected a con at his explanation or attempts to describe or explain the technologies. It started well but declined as he seemed to lose his way which I saw as key signs he was "winging" it to impress the audience. It was apparantly easy. The desire for contact with extraterrestrials was fuel to amplify interest and to me, seemed to confuse the whole darned thing. Basically the science he described was "senseless" and the relationships within alien contact was quite honestly absurd. I gave him no credance whatsoever in respect to the science , technology or intergalatic relations. In my opinion.

However, having explained Goodes stories influence on me, I was interested in the overview of what the story promoted, as I firmly believe he has been programmed or influenced by major events in his work or private life. The discussion regarding narcissism I agree is very relevant and appropriate but what is unknown is the catalyst, stimuli or process that triggered his stories emphasis. As, if he does attain the monocle of a "liar" this will have major repercussions within the alternative media and potentially damage the community for years.

Overall he didn't reveal anything new in respect of science worth noting. And as for the Sphere beings say "hi" for me:-)

I never posted on any of his work before and am confident I will not have any interest in doing so in the future.

OMG wtf !
GoodesTX has a Souvenir Shop . . . ROFLMAO

@Bill I followed the links in your article and discovered the souvenir shop thang there. That is so unfair. I wish you had posted that first as I wouldn't have bothered with my opening remarks.

There you go. Much respect to GoodesTX. Qualifies as an honourable mention in Marketing and Business Promotion. Thats all this he has done. Absolutely no difference to the pre Christmas promotion of the Cabbage Patch doll phenomenon a few years ago. Mickey Mouse, Yogi Bear and Scooby Doo for the adult masses.

Land of the free. Make money at the expense of others. Great business plan.

Immoral? That's your choice of opinion.

I so agree with this and indeed this does have the potential of setting back the alternative community.

I was not aware he tried to discuss tech in his story. I just can't imagine what you're referring to. But from everything I've seen all you need to do is be a member of an alternative forum for around three years and you'll be an expert in UFO's and Aliens enough to set up your own business venture.

Immoral indeed if it is at the expense of others and many have truly been hurt by some of the things he casually claims. I'm here to tell you now if he had indeed faced some of the things he's claimed that I've seen so far he would not be so casual.

Excellent post btw. Straight to the point Snoweagle.

~


Corey Goode is trying to manufacture Flying Monkeys....

For the sake of levity :idea:

http://i57.tinypic.com/316x09g.jpg

[giovonni]

I ignored this whole thing from day one.

My few posts here, are my greatest involvement.

Like the man said in Star Wars, "Stay on target".

Your not the only one there Carmondy ...

I have always wondered why Mr Ryan personally post the original interview on the forum in the first place... Especially since Christine conducted the interview ... What was all the rush ?
Obviously hindsight is (really) 20/20.

[araucaria]

I ignored this whole thing from day one.

My few posts here, are my greatest involvement.

Like the man said in Star Wars, "Stay on target".

Your not the only one there Carmondy ...

I have always wondered why Mr Ryan personally post the original interview on the forum in the first place... Especially since Christine conducted the interview ... What was all the rush ?
Obviously hindsight is (really) 20/20.
While I agree with this – I took no part in the Corey saga while he was here – I see it this way. If you are on a journey of any length, vehicle maintenance is part of the trip. You fill the car with gas, check the oil etc., otherwise you will not be able to continue your journey, never mind arrive at your destination. And if you have cowdung splashed all over the windshield, a stop at a carwash will be time well spent. The forum is our vehicle, our visibility from which has been impaired, and this issue needed to be dealt with.

[giovonni]

And now it's time to let it go ...
Don't give it any more energy.

My last words on all this ... :)

[Baby Steps]

How would Rothschild fake disclosure start?

Drip....Drip....Drip.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dc_zsM2p34

[Carmody]

I've posted this before, but it bears posting again. and again.

Something that people need to understand.

That the voice in the head is a passive reporting system for something deeper. When emoting, why the internal voice stops, as the hindbrain takes over the avatar, as it is the primary not the secondary. First in line, first in control, all other programs are built on it and filtered by it.. and the voice, mistaken for the ego, called the ego, called consciousness.... is just the passive feedback loop echo in the box.

Understanding and knowing, realizing it, living in the moment of now in that realization, it makes all the difference in changing this world.

A helping hand in how we fall down the 'deer in the headlights', flashlight in the eyes mode, how we fall for these things. We fall as we don't really understand that the voice in the head is a reporting system afterthought. It is consciousness as an action record report echo, scribbled down on a pad ---- it is not consciousness itself. The consciousness...is actually unconscious, subconscious, it is deeper. This passive frame reporting thing, is the thing we build in our heads at approximately age five, and we learn temporality, we learn past, future and now.... at the same time. We realize time, and at, relatively speaking (pun intended), the same moment and build into realization.... we create the internal voice.


Think Your Conscious Brain Directs Your Actions? Think Again (http://singularityhub.com/2015/08/02/think-your-conscious-brain-directs-your-actions-think-again/)

[Bill Ryan]

I have always wondered why Mr Ryan personally post the original interview on the forum in the first place... Especially since Christine conducted the interview ... What was all the rush ?
Obviously hindsight is (really) 20/20.

Christine's interview with Corey was purely opportunistic. Corey lives in Dallas, and Christine was visiting other friends there, for other reasons, at the time. It was all pretty much unplanned.

It was not a 'proper' interview, of course... just a spontaneous living-room conversation with a small dictaphone on the table, that Christine happened to have with her just in case that kind of conversation were to happen. It actually happened on two separate visits, all spliced together. The setups were really not the best. I spent quite a while editing it all to try to optimize it. The raw audios were much more chaotic!

Totally contrary to what Corey has later said, there was no urging him to release it. There was no 'rush' at all. It was always purely in his hands... there was no 'push' at all from Christine or myself. I have all the correspondence.

It was only published many weeks later after, Corey finally decided, pretty much on his own, that he would like the material presented, if we could find a way to help him with that.

When it came to editing and publishing the YouTube video, I did the best job I could... as I always try to do. I spent several full days on it. Corey was very grateful for the work I put in, and was totally impressed. I have all that on record also.

It was only AFTER the video was released that Corey's online personality kind of changed. He started holding forth (on the forum) on some topics that he knew very little about. I said to Christine at the time: "Corey is grandstanding now... I think there's a problem." Again, I have all this on record.

I (and others) perceived the change, and realized that something was not quite right. Soon after that, everything blew up big time. Corey (and his wife, then-member SilverPhoenix) became very antagonistic, and the rest is history... all on record, also.

[RunningDeer]

I followed along in support for: 1) Corey and other mind-controlled folks 2) Christine and Bill’s on-going efforts for truth and knowledge 3) curiosity of nothing I’d experienced. But, I dismissed nagging signals. Like I’d have to reread and reread Corey’s words or in some cases, my mind went blank. More often than not, for me, these are tells of false information, info not needed for me, or it’s plain BS. (And yes, I honestly accesses if it’s about painful denial.)

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[Elainie]

I listened to Corey's first interview and it put me to sleep. I tried again and the same. Fast forward a year (has it been that long? I need to go look at the timeframe) or so, I then heard the same from others (that it also put them to sleep).

[RunningDeer]

I listened to Corey's first interview and it put me to sleep. I tried again and the same. Fast forward a year or so, I then heard the same from others (that it also put them to sleep).

Thank you for that, Elainie. It's helpful validation. It's easy for me to get stuck on "It's gotta be me", "I'm over analyzing", "I'm judgmental." Blah, blah, blah. Burp. ♡

[Elainie]

I listened to Corey's first interview and it put me to sleep. I tried again and the same. Fast forward a year or so, I then heard the same from others (that it also put them to sleep).

Thank you for that, Elainie. It's helpful validation. It's easy for me to get stuck on "It's gotta be me", "I'm over analyzing", "I'm judgmental. Blah, blah, blah. Burp. ♡

I thought I was the only one. Was the information so boring to me? Was it Corey's voice? I don't know but was happy to hear the same thing from others. At the time I thought I was just not *getting* this groundbreaking information.

I should also add I had a difficult time reading what he had written. Was it the colors? The wording? I found it to be incoherent and something I wanted to stay away from so I gave it little attention.

[Becky]

Hi Runningdeer and Elainie, me too! I tried at first to take in what he was saying and learn, but I found I went blank so fast that to this day I've no real idea what Corey is talking about...and I figured soon enough that this was probably for the best. I really can't seem to take in what he's talking about at all...some information from some people just stick and mean a lot of sense and help me, but Corey may just as well have been talking double-dutch!

[RunningDeer]

I listened to Corey's first interview and it put me to sleep. I tried again and the same. Fast forward a year or so, I then heard the same from others (that it also put them to sleep).

Thank you for that, Elainie. It's helpful validation. It's easy for me to get stuck on "It's gotta be me", "I'm over analyzing", "I'm judgmental. Blah, blah, blah. Burp. ♡

I thought I was the only one. Was the information so boring to me? Was it Corey's voice? I don't know but was happy to hear the same thing from others. At the time I thought I was just not *getting* this groundbreaking information.

I should also add I had a difficult time reading what he had written. Was it the colors? The wording? I found it to be incoherent and something I wanted to stay away from so I gave it little attention.

Yes, yes...I forgot about the colors and bolded print. I rationalized that was the problem. Aesthetics plays a part in what I read. I gave up reformatting Corey's posts. It screamed, "Pay attention. Every thing I say is important."

[Billy]

I listened to Corey's first interview and it put me to sleep. I tried again and the same. Fast forward a year (has it been that long? I need to go look at the timeframe) or so, I then heard the same from others (that it also put them to sleep).

This is exactly what happened to me. I attempted to listen 3 times and could not go beyond half way through the first interview. The information did not excite me, a sure sign for me, just the opposite. I personally believe the individual and collective reaction/response to the message is more important than the message or the messenger, it is what i listen to when trying to discern. After 3 attempts I decided that this information was not for me.

[Harley]

I listened to Corey's first interview and it put me to sleep. I tried again and the same. Fast forward a year (has it been that long? I need to go look at the timeframe) or so, I then heard the same from others (that it also put them to sleep).

A GOOD STORY will keep you interested and awake.
A BAD STORY will put you to sleep.
A recounting of one's true-life experiences, and especially when there are many experiences spanning many years, can also be very boring and put you to sleep, unless of course they are turned into a GOOD STORY (for example a “Based on a true story made for tv” movie).

If Corey's true-life experiences are being turned into a story, then it is a very bad story:

I broke free when I read a post that screamed plagiarism. I ran a search. It was a cut and paste from someone else’s site. I wondered how many other posts I missed. IIRC, shortly after, he added at the bottom where he grab it from. How many readers missed that footnote? And by that time, Corey’s tone had become “primadonna-esk”.

He had other threads going with long videos that went off on tangents. Did he even watch them? It got too convoluted and not worth the time. That’s when I put myself on a quiet sabbatical. ‘The Corey thang' was a re-lesson to listen to fail-safe body cues and an upgrade in discernment skills.

I dismissed the rest until I learned of the trinkets and what nots shop. The concern now is for the sleepy, naive masses like on FaceBook and YouTube where videos are intentionally designed to pop up. I’d not want them to awaken in a false tale and have that reverberate out in the different dimensions of their lives.

Some have even gone so far as to claim Corey may be suffering from “UFO Disease (http://www.projectcamelot.org/lang/en/john_lear_interview_transcript_en.html)”, but I doubt it. Corey hasn't been an Internet Voice long enough nor does he have enough true-life experiences (imo) to yet acquire “UFO Disease”.

Of course none of this is to say that he hasn't been “messed with” for one reason or another.

Your best and most true forms of disclosure will come from the most boring of people with the most boring of stories.

There are good reasons for that. :)

[Shadowself]

Me three....I had a huge dose of yawns during this first interview which included nothing of the Blue Avian.

Last night I was looking at facebook during the formation of another thread about ham radios and clicked and clicked and somehow ended up on the page of Wes Penre. Don't ask how I got there but I ran into an interesting take from Wes there on the whole Blue Avian thing. Since Wes Penre has a priority thread going on here at Project Avalon I thought his take would add to the mix and he has an interesting note about the whole thing:

http://i59.tinypic.com/13zn6nr.jpg

Then this response here:

http://i62.tinypic.com/15oif4g.jpg

Wes Penre Priority thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79899-Wes-Penre-s-levels-of-learning

Sooooooo.............

The Pleiadian lecture from JAn-Feb 2015, where they talk about the "Anunnaki" using spheres instead of traditional spaceships at times, and that they do so particularly in our solar system?

What??? Corey did you just get busted?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwRdPY64k6I

[Rha S ananda]

Ep 310 FADE to BLACK w/ David Wilcock and Corey Goode - https://www.spreaker.com/user/fade2black/ep-310-fade-to-black-w-david-wilcock-and
begins at 34min

http://www.jimmychurchradio.com/
http://www.jimmychurchradio.com/24-aug-mon-7-10pm-pst-live/

David Wilcock is a professional lecturer, filmmaker and researcher of ancient civilizations, consciousness science, and new paradigms of matter and energy. His upcoming Hollywood film CONVERGENCE unveils the proof that all life on Earth is united in a field of consciousness, which affects our minds in fascinating ways.

David is also the subject and co-author of the international bestseller, The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?, which explores the remarkable similarities between David and Edgar, features many of David’s most inspiring psychic readings, and reveals documented NASA scientific proof of interplanetary climate change… and how it directly impacts our DNA.

coreyIdentified as an intuitive empath (IE) with precognitive abilities, Corey Goode was recruited through one of the MILAB Programs at the young age of six. Goode trained and served in the MILAB Program from 1976-1986/87. Toward the end of his time as a MILAB, he was assigned to an IE Support Role for a rotating Earth Delegate Seat (shared by Secret Earth Government Groups) in a “Human Type” ET Super Federation Council.

MILAB is a term coined for the military abduction of a person that indoctrinates and trains them for any number of military black ops programs.

Goode’s IE abilities played an important role in communicating with Non-Terrestrial Beings (termed “interfacing”) as part of one of the Secret Space Programs (SSPs). During his 20 year service he had a variety of experiences and assignments including the Intruder Intercept Interrogation Program, Assignment to the ASSR “ISRV” – Auxiliary Specialized Space Research, Interstellar Class Vessel, and much more. This all occurred in a “20 and Back” agreement from 1986/87-2007 with recall work until the present day.

Goode now works in the information technology and communications industry with 20 years’ experience in Hardware and Software Virtualization, physical and IT security, counter electronic surveillance, risk assessment, and executive protection. He served in the Texas Army State Guard (2007-2012), C4I (Command, Control, Communications, Computation & Intelligence). The time in the Texas Military Forces was unrelated to the Secret Space Program Service.

Goode continues his IE work now and is in direct physical contact with the Blue Avians (of the Sphere Being Alliance) who have chosen him as a delegate to interface with multiple ET Federations and Councils on their behalf, liaison with the SSP Alliance Council, and to deliver important messages to humanity.

[idiit]

^ 2 1/2 hours of stuff. starts the goode/wilcock part 33:00 in.

[raregem]

The mentality of a population is known by the leaders they choose. . Rick Perry says it all... :pound:

OOOH BLAST ! No voting for Perry nor Bush (ie Shrub) and the like. Scuse me while I kiss the sky

[WhiteLove]

I was wondering who is this guy who article after article and video after video tells about the most amazing things and spends absolutely no time looking at what evidence to put front to back it up. Is this guy an undercover agent or similar? He claims he has been trusted to work as a delegate for a highly advanced ET intelligence, but he cannot make me trust him. Something appears to be wrong about this...

[ThePythonicCow]

I was wondering who is this guy who ...
I merged your new thread asking about Corey Goode in with the existing 500+ post thread on this topic.

[Harley]

I was wondering who is this guy who article after article and video after video tells about the most amazing things and spends absolutely no time looking at what evidence to put front to back it up. Is this guy an undercover agent or similar? He claims he has been trusted to work as a delegate for a highly advanced ET intelligence, but he cannot make me trust him. Something appears to be wrong about this...

He HAS been trusted (trained?) to work as a delegate for . . . someone.

Appearances are not always deceiving. Go with your instincts.

[Rhah]

This is precisely why I have come to value Avalon so much.

I have been offered the chance by Sphere Being Alliance to translate the transcripts of all 15 episodes of Cosmic Disclosure. (I can say that there's currently a group of around 20 people working on translating these Cosmic Disclosure transcripts and other SBA articles and interviews into a variety of different languages.)

At first I was honored and excited about this opportunity to make the information available to a greater public, but after those initial feelings had settled I couldn't help but also have doubts about it... I couldn't really pinpoint why, but I felt that I should look into it more thoroughly before I embarked on this project.

I had only watched two of the Cosmic Disclosure episodes that were available on YouTube and read the first part of Corey's report on the SBA website, and while I did have some feelings of doubt and distrust while doing so, it wasn't enough for me to fully discredit it.
Strangely enough, those unpleasant feelings of doubt and distrust were, for the most part, actually caused by David Wilcock rather than Corey Goode - the way he presented and behaved himself during the episodes just didn't feel right. It felt a bit fake. But I guess I didn't take those feelings serious enough because, after all, he wasn't the one providing the information.
Perhaps there was just a part of me that wanted to believe this were all true, as I have to admit that I can still be a bit too gullible for my own good at times.

So today I spent the vast majority of my day going through this entire thread, Mozart's thread on Corey's first report, as well as those that were referenced in them, reading everyone's posts, and I have to say, it completely changed my view on the matter. And I have therefore decided to distance myself from this project because it simply wouldn't feel right to me anymore to invest my time in working for this group.

So I would like to thank you all for your contributions to this subject. I really greatly appreciate all of your input and it has been a real eye opener for me.
At times I still tend to have the (false) idea that here, in the alternative community, we are free from the manipulation and lies that are so common in the mainstream circles. But this case has been the perfect example for me to break those toughts and realise that even here we have to be constantly vigilant.

So thank you, again. I guess this was a lesson I needed to learn.

[mojo]

George Noory is publicizing Corey a lot on Coast to Coast show. Is it because of the support from Wilcock? Did anyone vet Coreys information or hear/see solid evidence/proofs? He seems to have garnered more mainstream attention and not sure why nobody has offered opposing testimony? So Wilcock calls George and says he needs to hear Corey and interview him and like that Corey is in? Now more people will be accepting of his story.

[Frenchy]

Bill, et al,
In a lighter vein,I'd like to offer my view that " There is NO such thing as ' Fiction ', Everything is based upon ' Fact ' "

When Daniella Steele, or Barbara Cartland, write ' Hot, steamy ' novels, that's what they are, simply 'Novels'.... On the other hand when Dave Bowland , sorry , David Bowie, pens " Is there life on Mars ? ", that NEVER was fiction.

I'm just regretful that those allowed to serve , ( perhaps under the ' Venus ' Project Dome ? ), will be a sub-species, just as the other types of 'workers', 'Soldiers', etc, while, those who can find refuge, " Outside ", the system, will face many generations of re-grouping to be back with ' Gaia '

Shouldn't we be focussing our efforts here,above the surface, and below, (Phil schnider, A. Collier... ) rather than what happens off-planet ?

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Here's a little bit of humor for you guys.

Hitler realizes that Corey Goode has been making everything up all along:

http://meemsy.com/v/38457

[Omni]

bsbray brought to my attention he thinks that the latin on Corey Goodes trinket and mug store is actually incorrect latin. Kind of like saying "us are free" instead of "we are free". So i guess the poor saps buying this nonsense will be seen of as foolish when they wear their "Sphere Being Alliance" shirts etc. lol...... I guess there are penalties for poor discernment.

Can anyone who knows latin well confirm this?

[Selene]

bsbray brought to my attention he thinks that the latin on Corey Goodes trinket and mug store is actually incorrect latin. Kind of like saying "us are free" instead of "we are free". So i guess the poor saps buying this nonsense will be seen of as foolish when they wear their "Sphere Being Alliance" shirts etc. lol...... I guess there are penalties for poor discernment.

Can anyone who knows latin well confirm this?

My Jesuitical Latin may be a bit rusty, but perhaps I speak it better than the suggested translation offered here.

“Liberationem” is actually a verb in the present conjunctive form, indicating it is derived from a larger motto or sentence and also serves as a call to action. It translates correctly as “For the liberation of…” The English word “freedom” in Latin would be the noun “Libertatum”.

“Mundi” is a noun in the genitive singular (possessive) case, “…Of the [entire] world.’

Therefore: “For the Liberation of the World” is the most correct translation.

The motto has nothing to do, at least as Latin, with the concept of “us” or “we”, nor of freedom as a concept but rather one of “freeing up” something.

(A tip of the hat here :yo: to my dear old Latin teacher, Sr. Mary Fides, IHM and all those declension drills of yore. Arma virumque cano…!)


Cheers,

Selene

[idiit]

damn, selene..... :)

[Bill Ryan]

http://projectavalon.net/Liberationem_Mundi.gif

https://google.com/search?q=latin+translation

[TheChosen]

Wow ... this is brutal.. Now I know why I don't come around these forums (or any online forums for that matter anymore). Long gone are the days where people had a truly open mind and didn't jump to conclusions one way or another.

27 Pages of opinions, intuitions, hear-say, wild acussations based on hurt egos and only one person who has been able to sum it up in few posts and distill the essence of what has substance vs which has none.

qbeac Thank you for being pretty much the only open minded person on this thread! I hope all the others take a lesson from you.

We have a long long long way to go if we keep judging people by the coffee mugs they sell on their web sites ...

[Jake]

Didnt read the thread did you? Lol!! Throwing around baseless opinions arent you? Yawn...

Love to you, though... :)

Jake

[TheChosen]

Didnt read the thread did you? Lol!! Throwing around baseless opinions arent you? Yawn...

Love to you, though... :)

Jake

Yet another assumption ... I DID read the whole thread. Some posts I read twice.

[Jake]

You read the entire thread, some of it twice and you took away that we judged him because of some keychains?

???

Fair enough! Lol...

Im considering rewriting it in crayon! :)

Jake

[TheChosen]

No .. that is your interpretation of what I wrote.. The keychains & coffee mugs were only the icing on the top. I am not going to repeat what qbeac already wrote several times.

[Matthew]

I'm very dubious here's why

We have the blue avians telling us we need to sort our own problems out, which they will do for us all except the last bit we can just about do ourselves. We can do it ourselves except we need them. Not very empowering. Then they're shielding us from cosmic waves because we're not strong enough to take it but we could, but we need their protection. Saying one thing, but leaving me with the linguring impresion of the opposite.

Blue avians say we will get FULL DISCLOSURE. As a big data dump in one go. The start and end of all the disclosure. The implication is we stop searching for the truth because we have it all now.

But this is the bit that got me: why does the sphere being alliance (SBA) logo remind me of the UN flag? I don't trust the UN on the whole

I'm not cynical about the people, Corey and David. I wonder if they are being exploited. But I am dubious about a few things that I've shared because I am open minded and here is my mind. The one certainty I have is I don't know.

Peace and love

[Jake]

The chosen,,

You said we have a long long way to go if we judge others on their selling of coffee mugs and keychains. :) An ASSUMPTION, and insinuation of blatent caddy childishness.. Just before that, you characterized every contribution to this thread as "hurt egos", "wild assumption" etc...

If your intention was to add some sort of intelligent input, then i apologize for missing it...

Your opinion in duly noted, thank you...

I take a bit of offense for your ASSUMPTION that i have a closed mind. :(

If a big Bull took a crap on my floor,,, i would NOT tolerate it,, AT ALL. Id clean it up, and prevent it from ever happening again! It does NOT make me closed minded just because i dont tolerate Bull Crap!!!

Sorry for the obtuse analogy...

Jake

[Sierra]

No .. that is your interpretation of what I wrote.. The keychains & coffee mugs were only the icing on the top. I am not going to repeat what qbeac already wrote several times.

Oh yes, thank you very much, qbeac repeats himself quite enough already. He repeats himself so many times hoping the response from the members will be different the umpteenth time around.

Kind of like how the Republican politicians and commentators on TV repeat the exact same phrase across all conservative television shows across the nation... (and then Jon Stewart strings the exact quote video blurbs together making fun of them lol.)

[Valley]

I've been watching/listening to all of the Goode videos/audio for past few months.... and my general view so far is that he appears to be honestly relaying his personal experiences. He has been releasing so much detailed info that it seems very unlikely that he could make this all up and I haven't found any clear contradictions yet. Also, much of it makes a lot of sense to me by adding many new details to hidden/suppressed histories I've learned little bits of over the years.

I can also understand why many have rejected his 'stories' altogether based on some of his seemingly 'childlike'/reactive behaviour in earlier exchanges here on the forum. I think he was just being human, with his own 'character flaws', like anyone else. It makes sense to me that he would get upset with folks who thought he was 'full of it', when he first started bringing his story out here... because he was taking a big risk coming forward (if his story is true).

So overall, it all makes 'good' sense to me... his 'stories', and all of yours. His is such a fantastical sounding story, it's understandable that hardly anyone would accept it at first... but with every new update/video he does, he adds more details and fills in more gaps... which is painting a more complete picture, and adds more and more credibility to his story, I think. I'm not saying that I blindly believe it all 100%, but I'm leaning towards a higher than 50% possibility that he is a genuine whistleblower... based on my own observations, research, intuition, and logical deductions.

[Jake]

I can respect that! It is all a good lesson... my problem is that i actually knew the guy... He basically told md "feck off" and "watch what i can do!"

I remember when he was telling stories about helping the alien beings who brought us all into the world from the astral!! Does anyone remember that load? Nobody? Surprise surprise...

Yawn....

Love to you.
Jake

[Valley]

That's interesting Jake... Many times I've seen that those closer to someone are 'hit the hardest' by the other's 'flaws'. I can understand your position/feelings.

If he's right about all his trainings and how he has said that he was being told repeatedly that he was 'special' by his 'handlers', that he likely started believing it himself... causing a major 'character flaw' that would account for a lot of his callousness in early exchanges here. I'm not in any way trying to excuse his actions, but it does fit in with his story in my mind. I've also heard him speak about his poor behaviors here, in interviews... and he admitted that he was 'out of line' and that he had to 'grow up'.

I wasn't around much back when the Goode turbulence was happening here and I hadn't seen the astral references you mentioned... Do you have a link where I can see about that in particular?

Blessings Bro...

[Jake]

it started here,, then went into PMs that were sworn to secrecy! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59757-Personal-accounts-of-Native-Americans-and---Star-People--&p=686595&viewfull=1#post686595)

Several members were involved... But only if we swore to keep quiet... Only a footnote now... but, yes,,,, his first contact story was much different than his latest.. And it keeps changing! When he left, he went on a six month 7 days a week streak of attacks and lies,, all of which have been taken down now.. The new reader is completely ignorant, by design! This joker became obsessed with lying and attacking Bill and me and the mods and Avalon! Much more than a character flaw... A TACTIC... one that requires ignorance of the truth! The WHOLE time, playing as if he were the victim!

It is embarrassing to me that folks who have absolutey no idea what happened tend to insist to me that they do!

We here at Avalon, Bill, the Mods, the Administration, etc,,, take our vows of integrity to the truth quite seriously. If i tell someone that i will keep a secret, then i keep it... I lament the day i told Corey id keep what he said private! Its killing me!

Ive learned more than i ever wanted about how being a trustworthy, supportive person can bite me in my arrse! I fell for the 'Brother Bear' tactic, then watched my friend walk away shaking his head and laughing!

"Fine then, Jake! Watch this, watch what i can do."

And i have been,, and it hurts!

Jake

[Tangri]

If I gave my word to a person not to tell his story out and find out he was a child predator and confessing his past sin, his future plans to continue more evils intends make me a conspirator, at the outcome, Then, all my prior stance will change to a new one.

[Jake]

If being trustworthy, supportive, honest, etc,,, are my character flaws, ill take it! :)

Jake

[Mike]

If being trustworthy, supportive, honest, etc,,, are my character flaws, ill take it! :)

Jake



You're a good man, Jake. I'd trust you with my bank account number.

but if I may be so bold...

If withholding info hurts more people than it helps, then perhaps it is not a noble thing.

I've not told you anything you don't already know, but it doesnt stop me from saying it.

I'd never dream of telling you what to do, but thats my take...for what it's worth. You'd lose no honor in my eyes by exposing this guy even further..regardless of oaths of secrecy.

Either way, you have my total respect bud.

[Valley]

Thanks for the 'lead'. Yeah, looks/sounds like it got pretty ugly there. It appears that once that emotional 'snowball' started rolling, it really got out of control. Do you think that slandering 'captain & crew' was the plan all along before joining the forum?

I feel like I'm walking around in a 'minefield of emotions' here... and I don't want to set anyone off, so I'm just going to meditate on all this some before I say much more. Please disregard any of my questions if you don't want to think about any of that.

Peace... :rain::violin:

it started here,, then went into PMs that were sworn to secrecy! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59757-Personal-accounts-of-Native-Americans-and---Star-People--&p=686595&viewfull=1#post686595)

Several members were involved... But only if we swore to keep quiet... Only a footnote now... but, yes,,,, his first contact story was much different than his latest.. And it keeps changing! When he left, he went on a six month 7 days a week streak of attacks and lies,, all of which have been taken down now.. The new reader is completely ignorant, by design! This joker became obsessed with lying and attacking Bill and me and the mods and Avalon! Much more than a character flaw... A TACTIC... one that requires ignorance of the truth! The WHOLE time, playing as if he were the victim!

It is embarrassing to me that folks who have absolutey no idea what happened tend to insist to me that they do!

We here at Avalon, Bill, the Mods, the Administration, etc,,, take our vows of integrity to the truth quite seriously. If i tell someone that i will keep a secret, then i keep it... I lament the day i told Corey id keep what he said private! Its killing me!

Ive learned more than i ever wanted about how being a trustworthy, supportive person can bite me in my arrse! I fell for the 'Brother Bear' tactic, then watched my friend walk away shaking his head and laughing!

"Fine then, Jake! Watch this, watch what i can do."

And i have been,, and it hurts!

Jake

[Carmody]

like the huge crowd fight in "blazing saddles", it can be a good thing, if it breaks down walls and is transported to other locations.

That good things can come from bad.



File this under 'I don't care what they say about me, as long as they say about me'. Note that Corey, space law, space mining and the secret space program go mainstream, to some extent. That the reaction is not overwhelmingly negative.

And in going mainstream, it sparks the open discussion. The process must begin, somehow... and it's a case of "whatever it takes, just make it happen".

Once that discussion breaks into public view, things like Corey will be a long forgotten bit.... like the first person stumbling through a wall, when thousands follow....(read the article and then the comments):

Http://phys.org/news/2015-12-space-law-interplanetary-gold.html

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Seeking Senior]

A highly respected, long-standing member wrote a couple of days ago to myself and the other mods privately asking that we might do a little more to constrain what they called "Corey bashing" on the forum.

I have just replied, and after a moment's thought I figured that my response might also be helpful to be shared here.

Thanks for your care — I'm assuming you also must have written to Corey quite a while back to ask him to please stop the Avalon- and Bill-Ryan-bashing (which was more than 'bashing', of course: it was a daily toxic offensive of malevolent lies and vitriol).
Isn’t the above the crux of the matter regarding the charge that Corey Goode is an unreliable source?

[Innocent Warrior]

A highly respected, long-standing member wrote a couple of days ago to myself and the other mods privately asking that we might do a little more to constrain what they called "Corey bashing" on the forum.

I have just replied, and after a moment's thought I figured that my response might also be helpful to be shared here.

Thanks for your care — I'm assuming you also must have written to Corey quite a while back to ask him to please stop the Avalon- and Bill-Ryan-bashing (which was more than 'bashing', of course: it was a daily toxic offensive of malevolent lies and vitriol).
Isn’t the above the crux of the matter regarding the charge that Corey Goode is an unreliable source?

Considering you've clearly already made up your mind about Corey and you aren't interested in debating the issue, what exactly do you expect to accomplish from this post?

[Seeking Senior]

Considering you've clearly already made up your mind about Corey and you aren't interested in debating the issue, what exactly do you expect to accomplish from this post?
I am backing up what I have stated regarding Bill Ryan's apparent personal issue regarding Corey Goode, as opposed to the veracity of Corey's witness statements as a participant in the secret space program.

[Omni]

Considering you've clearly already made up your mind about Corey and you aren't interested in debating the issue, what exactly do you expect to accomplish from this post?
I am backing up what I have stated regarding Bill Ryan's apparent personal issue regarding Corey Goode, as opposed to the veracity of Corey's witness statements as a participant in the secret space program.
Have you read through this thread? I'm pretty sure this is the one where an Avalon mod showed Corey had lied in a rather conclusive fashion. Not lied about his whole story but if he is willing to just fabricate stuff how can his information be trusted?

Corey Goode also went on a slander campaign against myself. I have nothing really personal with Corey Goode, but his slander campaign against me shows me he is owned somehow. Also his information is new age bull**** mixed with secret space program plagiarisms and nonsenses from the looks of it. I theorize the backstory to Corey Goode is that the ruling class and PSYOPS guys knew the secret space program was going to be exposed. So when this happens they establish cover ups and counter intelligence operations. Corey Goode could be an operation to muddy the waters and establish new age disinformation in SSP info. I still have not figured out if he is complicit with the disinfo, or just an unwitting mind control asset given some adventurous VRs with blue aliens. Either way he is clearly an asset IMO.

Not sure why you'd necro this old thread....

[Seeking Senior]

Not sure why you'd necro this old thread....
I don't know the word "necro" and the dictionary was no help.

However, assuming you mean why post on this old thread, the reason is that the Bill Ryan quote is highly relevant to what I'm trying to convey about Corey Goode.

[Innocent Warrior]

Considering you've clearly already made up your mind about Corey and you aren't interested in debating the issue, what exactly do you expect to accomplish from this post?
I am backing up what I have stated regarding Bill Ryan's apparent personal issue regarding Corey Goode, as opposed to the veracity of Corey's witness statements as a participant in the secret space program.

You've already made your point quite clear and I assure you your point doesn't require emphasis. Speaking of personal issues though, I have one with you, I think you're a troll.

[KiwiElf]

Not sure why you'd necro this old thread....
I don't know the word "necro" and the dictionary was no help.

However, assuming you mean why post on this old thread, the reason is that the Bill Ryan quote is highly relevant to what I'm trying to convey about Corey Goode.

How hard did you look? A Google search rendered this in less than a second:

necro. (verb) to comment on an internet thread long after the conversation has concluded.

Perhaps you might also try selective perception: Selective perception is the process by which individuals perceive what they want to in media messages while ignoring opposing viewpoints.

[Billy]

A highly respected, long-standing member wrote a couple of days ago to myself and the other mods privately asking that we might do a little more to constrain what they called "Corey bashing" on the forum.

I have just replied, and after a moment's thought I figured that my response might also be helpful to be shared here.

Thanks for your care — I'm assuming you also must have written to Corey quite a while back to ask him to please stop the Avalon- and Bill-Ryan-bashing (which was more than 'bashing', of course: it was a daily toxic offensive of malevolent lies and vitriol).
Isn’t the above the crux of the matter regarding the charge that Corey Goode is an unreliable source?

No. You are wrong, this is not the crux of the matter. The damage was done well before Corey decided to create his blog and continue with his daily toxic offensive of malevolent lies and vitriol. I am not sure why you are choosing to ignore the factual written evidence, written by Corey himself here on Avalon. The written evidence that Corey lied constantly. That his story was inconsistent and changed as he saw fit. A true story with first hand experience is always steadfast and never inconsistent, where as liars who are inventing an experience or being played by others, forget what lies they have already told then make up new lies to attempt to cover their tracks. That is the crux of the matter that you are choosing to ignore.

My question is, why are you choosing to ignore Corey's written evidence here on Avalon that he constantly lied.?

[Seeking Senior]

necro. (verb) to comment on an internet thread long after the conversation has concluded.

I see.

It is not my intention to discuss the various updates from David Wilcock.

It is my intention to defend an important whistleblower regarding the secret space program.

I'm looking for the root cause of the charge on this forum that Corey Goode is an unreliable source.

I am very familiar with Corey's testimony that has been going on for over a year on gaia.com. I trust my intuition in judging his credibility.

[Omni]

I'm looking for the root cause of the charge on this forum that Corey Goode is an unreliable source.

Here is one potential cause:


Mod hat off. and a declaration that what i post below comes from my own decision and has nothing whatsoever to do with Bill or any admin or moderators. I follow no person, no gurus, no leaders on this earth. But i do have my universal connections who have guided very well from the age of 4yrs old and are still with me today, when i wish them to be.

I would also like to make it clear that the Mods who have participated in this thread have done so independently off their own backs, hearts, minds and souls.
We are all independent free thinkers.

At the beginning of this thread i felt the Mods were basically being told by some members to not have an opinion and to shut up. I have had no desire to comment on this thread or any relevant threads until now.

Example:



Jake I always appreciate your point of view.

As I do the rest of the administrators, but at times, it feels like you guys agree with Bill to an almost embarrassing extent.
There is a certain appearance that when Bill gives the party line, you guys follow.

I appreciate the opinion of all of the administrators, but it would feel more genuine from you guys if you did not put up such an obvious united front.

The result is, your message feels disingenuous.


I tell you all that Jake in his own man with his own opinions which he shares from his own heart and free will. As do we all.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am truly saddened regarding the outcome concerning Corey/GoodET. He was someone i respected and listened to until in my opinion he transformed himself into someone i had no respect for and could not listen to anymore. That moment for me happened half way through listening to the first interview. I never listened to the second half or the second interview. I felt physically sick listening and was warned NOT to listen by my inner self.

I have not shared this with anyone, But when i asked my "Self" what had happened? The answers were many. "Do not be deceived, be vigilant" "Do not look for outward signs, they have already been given" "It is the beauty within you that saves you" There were many more, but i got the message and backed off from believing anything more Corey was saying as i believed the whole drama is a massive deceptive distraction from seeking the truth and making a difference.

Although i believe Corey is now not aware that he is being used. He has said many times that he is finished with Avalon and does not want to spend time and energy with it anymore. But he continues to attack Bill the mods and Avalon on his blog. Copying and pasting posts from this very thread. Almost like an addiction. It is so sad to watch.

Again my own thoughts, I am also gobsmacked that DW and others have bought into this deception. :ohwell:



Please do copy this post into your blog Corey.


Quote from GoodET's blog where he states that his memories are first hand and not recovered.


From the beginning I stated that this information was based on my unique Experiences and First Hand Memories (And for EACH INDIVIDUAL to use their own discernment in whether the information resonated with them.) of being in one of the “MANY” Programs that fall under the “MILAB” Description.

He wanted to redo the Interview and this time was going to be controlling the format and I felt trying to push a confrontation on our disagreement of my memories being always available to me or “Recovered”. He attempts to Re-write history in the email speaking about the Skype Log/Conversation where he insults me heavily and after we disagree on Entity Attachments (Just a subject disagreement that “Triggered” this entire ordeal) he then begins stating that he believes that ALL of my Memories are “Unreliable and Recovered” and “Screen Memories” like 2 other whistle blowers (See Cached Blog Link Above) and that I should admit as much. I tell him that these are not “Recovered Memories”


Below is GoodET from 2012 when he said he does not buy that he is a Milab and has NO memory of that stuff.



I have been told by Mil and Civ people that I am a MILAB, but I do not quite buy it... no memories of that stuff... wife says I act out battle scenarios and shout out orders in my sleep

but I was an Intel/Communications guy... so I chalk that up to watching to many movies and listening to tooo many war stories.

We all know that some truths and lies are always mixed into the disinfo recipe. I choose to believe the latter comment from GoodET is a truth.

Please choose your own truth.

Seek the beauty within, Peace to all.

[KiwiElf]

necro. (verb) to comment on an internet thread long after the conversation has concluded.

I see.

It is not my intention to discuss the various updates from David Wilcock.

It is my intention to defend an important whistleblower regarding the secret space program.

I'm looking for the root cause of the charge on this forum that Corey Goode is an unreliable source.

I am very familiar with Corey's testimony that has been going on for over a year on gaia.com. I trust my intuition in judging his credibility.

You "SEE"? Not very much it seems.

You know enough to think you're right, and not enough to know when you're wrong!

[araucaria]

I trust my intuition in judging his credibility.
The problem is that one’s intuition, however reliable it works for oneself, operates by making logical leaps that others are unable to follow. The whole purpose of a discussion forum is to build paths of logical steps that others are able to follow, and indeed create entire grids of paths providing multiple courses.

It is my experience that intuitions actually rely more on carefully constructed logical steps that may just not be consciously available at the time. In other words, I would trust my intuition on subjects that I know rather well, and less so on subjects that I am less familiar with, which you appear to agree with. Intuition is a not a substitute for correct information and logic, but a kind of catalyst. As such it is of little use unless it is backed up by factual evidence.

The trouble is that pronouncements on your intuition are not taking us through any of these steps, or any of these leaps, which is why all you are creating is antagonism. All we have is the fact of your intuition, which amounts to pure dogma. Why should anyone accept dogma of all things from an anonymous poster of all people from Virginia of all places?

[Seeking Senior]

Here is one potential cause . . .
I haven't read your post word for word.

But, are you basically saying that Corey denied he was in the secret space program and then changed his mind later?

[KiwiElf]

Here is one potential cause . . .
I haven't read your post word for word.

But, are you basically saying that Corey denied he was in the secret space program and then changed his mind later?

That's your problem - you DON'T READ (what you should!)

[Seeking Senior]

That's your problem - you DON'T READ (what you should!)
Reading old threads is not a good use of my reading time.

I am interested in reading posts by members who answer my questions, without being insulting in the process, by the way.

[KiwiElf]

Don't confuse insulting with honesty. And that's EXACTLY what you should do - read some older threads

[araucaria]

I am interested in reading posts by members who answer my questions, without being insulting in the process, by the way.
That is very precisely what you have just refused to do with Omni's post.

[Seeking Senior]

The problem is that one’s intuition, however reliable it works for oneself, operates by making logical leaps that others are unable to follow.
It is true that what I’ve said cannot be followed by others because presumably others on this forum have not heard and observed what I’ve heard and observed, that is, you are not watching Corey’s testimony on gaia.com.

We’re not on the same page.

By the same token, I did not participate in evaluating Corey’s statements made early on, before he began working with David Wilcock.

It is not helpful to expect me to read old threads.

But it would be helpful if members would summarize for me on what specifically they base the accusation that Corey is a liar.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Reading old threads is not a good use of my reading time.

With the greatest respect, with 'seeking' in your name, and by your own admission that you are trying to uncover the truth here, I would have thought that reading and researching was absolutely the most necessary first step. I would suggest, again with the greatest respect, that your unwillingness to inform yourself by reading important and necessary information is the actual crux of the actual problem.

[Omni]

But it would be helpful if members would summarize for me on what specifically they base the accusation that Corey is a liar.

This is very easy. He lies. The post I quoted showed quotes of him lying. I could barely believe you just ignored it after asking for it. That makes me think it was not a genuine request in the first place.

[araucaria]

But it would be helpful if members would summarize for me on what specifically they base the accusation that Corey is a liar.
Why should anyone do that for you? Here’s your own answer why not:

We’re not on the same page.
Stop trolling the Avalon page.

[Flash]

The problem is that one’s intuition, however reliable it works for oneself, operates by making logical leaps that others are unable to follow.
It is true that what I’ve said cannot be followed by others because presumably others on this forum have not heard and observed what I’ve heard and observed, that is, you are not watching Corey’s testimony on gaia.com.

We’re not on the same page.

By the same token, I did not participate in evaluating Corey’s statements made early on, before he began working with David Wilcock.

It is not helpful to expect me to read old threads.

But it would be helpful if members would summarize for me on what specifically they base the accusation that Corey is a liar.

As I am looking at who is on that thread anwering you Seeking Senior, I realised that you have here the brigntest minds of the forum. I cannot believe what I am reading from you in return.

you are right, we all are wrong - that is what you want to hear and the only thing you will hear, so.... happy???

Thanks for the genuine and interesting discussion.

And, you will not even open old threads to read them (it could challenge the "I am right" attitude of yours, oh no.... never), so if you won't read, tell me, why should we, here in the forum, work for you and make resumes??? You want us to work for you? because this kind of resume based on many posts is complex and difficult to write. For sure I won't write any resume for you because YOU DO NOT WANT TO READ. At school, I don't help cheaters and try to get lazys out of my team in group work..

Therefore, you do your own homework and win your own Goode's degree, without asking your classmate to do it for you, or we, here, change thread.

And when you will have 2,000 posts with your new classmates here, be genuine enough to say "I am sorry for the behavior I had when I started".

[Seeking Senior]

This is very easy. He lies. The post I quoted showed quotes of him lying.
Let's be more specific.

First of all, a lie cannot be told unless the person is consciously telling a falsehood.

In the case of Corey's statements, are you saying that he first said he was not in the secret space program and then turned around and said he was, thus telling a lie?

Are you not aware that people get their minds wiped by their controllers when they're in the secret space program, so they won't remember, but that in some cases people overcome that mind control?

[Flash]

ok Just saw what is going on Seeking Senior aka Seashore.

You are hooked on Corey Goode in multiple threads and are trolling threads after threads on the same topic.

Is that Corey who sent you here?

What is the purpose?

At first glance it seems to be the pleasure of trolling and raising arguments and upsets.

Because you ask questions on other's behaviors but do not answer about yours.

I give you no more than 10 more threads. My bet

[Omni]

In the case of Corey's statements, are you saying that he first said he was not in the secret space program and then turned around and said he was, thus telling a lie?

Please read the post I quoted if you want to know this. I quoted exactly what you wanted and you refused to read it. So why should I spend my time for you now, so you can either refuse to give it a chance or rationalize it with some sort of rubbish logic.

[Ewan]

The problem is that one’s intuition, however reliable it works for oneself, operates by making logical leaps that others are unable to follow.
It is true that what I’ve said cannot be followed by others because presumably others on this forum have not heard and observed what I’ve heard and observed, that is, you are not watching Corey’s testimony on gaia.com.

We’re not on the same page.

By the same token, I did not participate in evaluating Corey’s statements made early on, before he began working with David Wilcock.

It is not helpful to expect me to read old threads.

But it would be helpful if members would summarize for me on what specifically they base the accusation that Corey is a liar.

I think you have revealed the root of the problem right here. You are not willing to do any kind of investigation by yourself, you want others to tell you the answers you seek.

I hate to break it to you but it is doubtful you will learn much of value following this method.

I fear there would be little room for new information anyway, and it would have quite a battle to get past your adopted viewpoints.

I say adopted as I assume they are not from your research (seeking), someone else must have told you them (given).

[Innocent Warrior]

Deleted post, falling on deaf ears.

[Ewan]

It is a simple enough matter to compare like with like and make an assumption of integrity.

Does Bill Ryan slander and defame Corey Goode? Is the reverse, or has it ever been, true? Does/did Corey Goode slander and defame Bill Ryan/Project Avalon?

I would be inclined to use the answers to these questions in the process of investigating the veracity of one position or another.

I hope you find a way to be open minded Seeking Senior I will not engage further.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Does Bill Ryan slander and defame Corey Goode? Is the reverse, or has it ever been, true? Does/did Corey Goode slander and defame Bill Ryan/Project Avalon?

The measure of a man is the way he bears up under misfortune.
~ Plutarch

[araucaria]

‘The Turing test is a test, developed by Alan Turing in 1950, of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human.’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

From what we have seen so far from this poster’s two dozen contributions, they fail the Turing test. That is not to say the poster is a computer, it just means that humans can exhibit behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a machine. As AI smartens up, we humans have to smarten up our specifically human behaviours that machines cannot copy successfully. This way we make it harder for machines to pass the Turing test: ‘we are not on the same page’. These posts are bereft of the qualities we normally associate with human, being restricted to the things that machines do well, such as building empty rhetoric in response to other input. Not good enough. We don’t want machines passing for human; neither do we want humans passing for machines.

That’s me finished here.

[Hervé]

Here is a repeat from another thread on that very same subject:


As I wrote earlier:



[...]
I really don't want to read a number of threads here.

Then, you'll entirely miss out on why:


"deluded, influenced, paid, confused, and/or knowingly lying/plagiarizing."... is not a blanket statement but rather very hard-earned conclusions from suffering that individual's megalomania and "folie des grandeurs" on this very forum.

Your choice.
Documented on this forum is a before and after "Corey"through his own posts. Your choice to not even bother getting acquainted with those threads and posts and which makes for an interesting textbook case example of "cognitive dissonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Festinger#When_Prophecy_Fails)."

As for:

[...]
... "blank slating" their minions.[...] ... there is also a reverse to that coin and that's to get some individuals to create and live in a totally virtual, fantastic universe of their own imagination as can be demonstrated with the oft reproduced experiment known as "The Third Man In The Room" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=806378&viewfull=1#post806378) and which any good hypnotist can reproduce.

[Seeking Senior]

Please read the post I quoted if you want to know this. I quoted exactly what you wanted and you refused to read it. So why should I spend my time for you now, so you can either refuse to give it a chance or rationalize it with some sort of rubbish logic.
Okay. I'll take that as yes, you're saying that Corey consciously lied about being in the secret space program.

Now, I must repeat my question to you:



Are you not aware that people get their minds wiped by their controllers when they're in the secret space program, so they won't remember, but that in some cases people overcome that mind control?

[Nasu]

Please read the post I quoted if you want to know this. I quoted exactly what you wanted and you refused to read it. So why should I spend my time for you now, so you can either refuse to give it a chance or rationalize it with some sort of rubbish logic.
Okay. I'll take that as yes, you're saying that Corey consciously lied about being in the secret space program.

Now, I must repeat my question to you:



Are you not aware that people get their minds wiped by their controllers when they're in the secret space program, so they won't remember, but that in some cases people overcome that mind control?

Your line of reasoning makes no logical sense. If we accept that people in the program have their minds controlled and at the end of their service have their minds wiped, how on earth can we possibly know if they overcome this programming, which memories were theirs and which were implanted to "write" over the true memories??? You could chase your own tail till the grave trying to answer an imponderable such as this.

My recommend, for whatever it's worth is make a nice cup of tea and take a break. Do some research in other directions around your topic of interest, the secret space program. If Corey is real you will find tons of unrelated supporting evidence... N

[Seeking Senior]

If we accept that people in the program have their minds controlled and at the end of their service have their minds wiped, how on earth can we possibly know if they overcome this programming, which memories were theirs and which were implanted to "write" over the true memories???
Yes, it is extremely difficult to make sense out of anything to do with black projects, the secret space program being one of them, and all of the rest of what’s going on in the shadow government.

But we have to do our best.



Do some research in other directions around your topic of interest, the secret space program.
What makes you assume I haven’t done that?

I have watched all of the videos of the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure. For those who are unfamiliar with it, excerpts of the testimony are available on YouTube. Here is a playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnvmPmVKDSKjvclVi9gkMZuCbliwxWPPM

I have watched all the archives of the Secret Space Program Conference 2015. Here is a link for those excerpts: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxpYawT00V42EQ2RA6ZrQaI7njf0l05wF

And of course, there is the collection from Project Camelot, which I have followed for years.

[Nasu]

If we accept that people in the program have their minds controlled and at the end of their service have their minds wiped, how on earth can we possibly know if they overcome this programming, which memories were theirs and which were implanted to "write" over the true memories???
Yes, it is extremely difficult to make sense out of anything to do with black projects, the secret space program being one of them, and all of the rest of what’s going on in the shadow government.

But we have to do our best.



Do some research in other directions around your topic of interest, the secret space program.
What makes you assume I haven’t done that?

I have watched all of the videos of the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure. For those who are unfamiliar with it, excerpts of the testimony are available on YouTube. Here is a playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnvmPmVKDSKjvclVi9gkMZuCbliwxWPPM

I have watched all the archives of the Secret Space Program Conference 2015. Here is a link for those excerpts: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxpYawT00V42EQ2RA6ZrQaI7njf0l05wF

And of course, there is the collection from Project Camelot, which I have followed for years.

Well there you go, what else could there be to know, my mistake for assuming, it's all settled then.....

I have some other things to do with my time, so if you'll excuse me... N

[Chester]

Considering you've clearly already made up your mind about Corey and you aren't interested in debating the issue, what exactly do you expect to accomplish from this post?
I am backing up what I have stated regarding Bill Ryan's apparent personal issue regarding Corey Goode, as opposed to the veracity of Corey's witness statements as a participant in the secret space program.

Hi. It may be convenient to conclude that Bill's post suggests "personal." You are probably unaware of the dozens of far more vicious attacks PA and/or Bill has experienced as this goes with the territory. That territory includes:

Revealing research results which various third parties wish would remain hidden.

Becoming very well known around the world... no one doesn't know of either Project Camelot or Bill Ryan (and 99% know of both) if they have ventured into the information generically called "alternative."

And that by combining Bill's reputation and accomplishments where Bill then agrees with an arrangement with Kerry (Bill's former Project Camelot sole partner) that he is given the Project Avalon forum whereby this forum becomes Bill's alone and thus solely Bill's responsibility... that he then puts together a core staff, attracts excellent administrators and moderators who give their heart and time for administering and moderating what swiftly emerged to be (far and away) the very best forum of this kind in at least the English speaking world of the internet (if not the entire internet)... a forum which logically attracts all sorts of folks, some who... whether intending so from the outset or later (as I suspect has been the case with Corey Goode) ...see that the forum could be used opportunistically for all forms of exploitation - that the forum ends up requiring membership management actions which anger some into engaging Bill Ryan and/or Project Avalon and/or PA staff and/or other PA members... and so most certainly one can understand how Bill, staff, members and other friends of Avalon might have issues with the aggrieved (as Corey Goode became).

I noticed in another thread you brought up Corey Goode in a sympathetic light and defensively yet when I made the following post (based on personal, direct experience with Corey Goode and other actors involved with each other at that time), you did not respond. So I bring this post to your attention again -

HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1143530&viewfull=1#post1143530) and ask you to consider the questions I have asked myself... and that you might post your own answers.

[AutumnW]

This is the oddest interrogation!

[Seeking Senior]

You are probably unaware of the dozens of far more vicious attacks PA and/or Bill has experienced as this goes with the territory. That territory includes:

Revealing research results which various third parties wish would remain hidden.
Please clarify exactly what you're talking about there.

In other words, is that directed at Corey Goode? If so, how?

(Meanwhile, I'm working on responding on the other thread.)

[Flash]

Bon, on a définitivement un troll ou une obsessive-compulsive, mais ce n'est pas habituel ce genre de comportement, de fil en fil.
Hervé!!! à l'aide! lollllllll

We definitly have a troll or an obsessive-compulsive here, but this kind of behavior from thread to thread is not usual from regular genuine posters.

And of course, she will not answer to any of my posts because she knows I do not take her baits.





You are probably unaware of the dozens of far more vicious attacks PA and/or Bill has experienced as this goes with the territory. That territory includes:

Revealing research results which various third parties wish would remain hidden.
Please clarify exactly what you're talking about there.

In other words, is that directed at Corey Goode? If so, how?

(Meanwhile, I'm working on responding on the other thread.)

[Nasu]

Bon, on a définitivement un troll ou une obsessive-compulsive, mais ce n'est pas habituel ce genre de comportement, de fil en fil.
Hervé!!! à l'aide! lollllllll

We definitly have a troll or an obsessive-compulsive here, but this kind of behavior from thread to thread is not usual from regular genuine posters.

And of course, she will not answer to any of my posts because she knows I do not take her baits.





You are probably unaware of the dozens of far more vicious attacks PA and/or Bill has experienced as this goes with the territory. That territory includes:

Revealing research results which various third parties wish would remain hidden.
Please clarify exactly what you're talking about there.

In other words, is that directed at Corey Goode? If so, how?

(Meanwhile, I'm working on responding on the other thread.)

I wish I had your self control. Regretting getting involved. I've gone about as far with these posts as I want. Heading out to the garden now, doubt she'll be seeking here when I get back....x... N

[Honesty]

..........

[DeDukshyn]

Reading old threads is not a good use of my reading time.


...
I did not participate in evaluating Corey’s statements made early on, before he began working with David Wilcock.


One thing I think we can all tell you are not "seeking", is a full and unbiased view from which to base your conclusions. There's years of Corey here in the threads that have been suggested to you, from before he ever hooked up with Wilcock - some of us got to know him quite well, so we understand the significance of your lack of perspective and the obvious resultant ability to make a proper conclusion because of that. What you say you seek is available here, but your reluctance to find it tells that you know well that what you really seek is not there.

By this point it is obvious.

So what are you here for?

[Honesty]

..........

[Shannon]

Stop drop and roll..


Don't forget, duck and cover !

That Billy Madison scene is classic...

[raregem]

Stop drop and roll..


Don't forget, duck and cover !

That Billy Madison scene is classic...

Oh my ...after reading through this thread today I first read , "Stop, drop and TROLL.....

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

This deserves to be emphasized. (slightly abbreviated for clarity)


...otherwise, you will NOT like where this whole psyop will take you and the other billions of topsiders who are stuck on the planet with the people who inadvertently or intentionally buy into and support the Great Deception.

...this is just the next iteration, only this time suckers like Wilcock bought into it and integrated it into his addiction of self-promotion. Good...maybe people will learn their lesson this time around. In that respect, Wilcock should be applauded for the service he is providing to the rest of humanity.

A psyop it is, and it's not the only one. Good research, careful data collection, measured analysis, and intelligent, cautious deduction are becoming all too rare.

Instead, the alt media is awash with sensational, unsourced, uncorroborated fiction, exaggeration, or (in a few cases) just honest but dumb confusion. There are reasons why the Secret Space Program Conference organizers in 2014 and 2015 didn't invite any self-styled 'whistleblowers' to present.

Some whistleblowers are real, but many of them are not, and another group again are damaged goods that are simply being used, or are knowingly or unknowingly compromised.

The researchers and presenters who jump on the bandwagon to support all this, at the same time attracting much attention (and often revenue) to themselves, are playing the game of celebrity. Not the game of research.

And in the audience, watching all this like some kind of glitzy game show, picking one personality to support simply because he or she is heavily promoted (just like in the mainstream media! Think about that) is really rather undiscerning.

There are more effective ways to make good decisions about the provenance and consistency of information. Someone who relies ONLY on intuition to make judgments does not have the skill of thinking logically, so it's their intuition that they lean on.

In Myers-Briggs/MBTI terms, this is the F (Feeling) function vs. the T (Thinking). Ideally, of course, they should best be balanced. But in many people, they're not. This is fully capitalized on by marketers who promote anything or anyone. Politicians, clothing, car insurance, soap powder. (And whistleblowers and memes, too.)

That may not be their fault — it's their personality preference, and some are born that way — but it's still smart in this world to be fully aware if one has an undeveloped aspect to one's habitual way of making judgments.

Above, I used the term 'marketers'. Note that almost everyone who has a YouTube channel these days (or a radio or TV show!) is marketing it hard.

It's like a distant relative of Stockholm Syndrome. The alt media is trying to copy the mainstream media.

The style is exactly the same: it's cheap, it's gaudy, it's in your face, and it's a bombardment on the psyche. The sheer competition for attention has triggered all that.

Beer mats, coffee cups and playing cards? All part of the same. Any real ETs out there would be laughing.

The alt community is sometimes so undignified, unaware and unintelligent, we may deserve everything that happens to us.

And, my guess (I bet iAMWE would agree) is that all this has been very carefully and strategically planned.

[Akeron]

In Myers-Briggs/MBTI terms, this is the F (Feeling) function vs. the T (Thinking). Ideally, of course, they should best be balanced. But in many people, they're not.

Just because of this interesting synchronicity I allow myself to get a little bit off-topic here and share it. I had not seen this post yet... and was preparing dinner today, thinking about the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator where I had tested INTP. All of this was of course ages ago and I rarely thought about it ever since... but this one description stuck in my mind, which I then remembered in the kitchen:

"Highest precision in language and thought". Yeah right, I giggled... and nobody is understanding a word I'm saying :o

[Chester]

Bill has written this post above where Bill ended the post with the following -


And, my guess (I bet iAMWE would agree) is that all this has been very carefully and strategically planned.

I am compelled to ask - who (which may include more than one person and/or group) is (or are) the one(s) that are behind all this? The one(s) who have carefully and strategically planned these things?


Also, is (or are) the one(s) behind the planning also the one(s) that implements these plans?


And finally, if the planner(s) is (or are) the implementer(s), how are they doing this?

[Bill Ryan]

In Richard Dolan's outstanding recent Australian presentation, which I cannot recommend too highly, it seems to me that he makes a sharp comment about David Wilcock (and some others), without actually naming him... Richard would not do that.

This is right at the end of the presentation, in the questions section at 3:49:06.




"Well, my attitude with this, as a public researcher… I try to be careful with what I put out there.

So for me, I don’t like to communicate information where I have to say to someone, “Trust me, this is the information”. I don’t like to do that. That puts me above you, and I don’t like researchers who do that.

Actually, I don’t really think that they’re researchers."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4

[mgray]

To say Richard Dolan puts in the footwork for his research is an understatement. His academic background does not allow shortcuts or hearsay.

The fact that he has a very limited 1st person experience probably spurs his research without clouding it.

IMHO I try to do this in my writing on financial happenings here and on my blog. People who say X will happen, which is several stand deviations from the norm are generally seeking clicks and are rewarded with my followers.

However, the information is of the "trust me" variety, which is not verifiable when said or in the immediate future. Therefore it's not something you can act upon, it's just a type of fear porn.

[OMG]

What is David Wilcock's view of this information and what is HIS information, experiences and story that compels him to side with Corey to this day?

:sherlock:

[Bill Ryan]

What is David Wilcock's view of this information and what is HIS information, experiences and story that compels him to side with Corey to this day?


David's Achilles' Heel is that he's an egotistical, glory-seeking, unapologetic, publicity hound.

That sounds unkind and harsh, but it's fundamentally true. He has a bunch of flaws. I used to know him well — and he's changed a lot since I first met him ten years ago.

[TargeT]

David's Achilles' Heel is that he's an egotistical, glory-seeking, unapologetic, publicity hound.


Both have a bit of that IMO (Goode and Wilcock); I think that's a very necessary aspect if one is to create a career dependent on public attention. We see echos of this on social media, where "fame" CAN quickly becomes more important than what originally garnished the "fame"; this especially makes sense when concerned with esoteric topics that generally run fairly thin on content (in reality anyway..).

A very human failing.

[OMG]

What is David Wilcock's view of this information and what is HIS information, experiences and story that compels him to side with Corey to this day?


David's Achilles' Heel is that he's an egotistical, glory-seeking, unapologetic, publicity hound.

That sounds unkind and harsh, but it's fundamentally true. He has a bunch of flaws. I used to know him well — and he's changed a lot since I first met him ten years ago.

Well, after watching David any perceptive person can clearly see he has issue's. Let's just hope his ability to proliferate truth is stronger than the characteristics you seem to think aren't.

[Chester]

We all have a tendency to proliferate things that we don’t know is actually true. I’m guilty of it myself.


When I was younger, I did this. I then began to embrace my perception that I have some serious responsibility in being truthful and honest. Especially with regards to my own "other worldly experiences" I have shared with others. I have (finally) cultivated this sense of responsibility to a decently high level of actuality.

If I could do this... anyone can because as a young boy and into my teens, I lied pathologically. Truly, if I could make this change... anyone can.

In the case of a Wilcock or a Goode, if it is not abundantly clear that they must hold to this all but perfect standard based on the subject matters they speak and write about, then the onus falls on the listener and reader such that if they expose themselves to their material, they do whatever they must to ensure they have the best ability to discern with regards to their material. Sadly, like I have been... and hopefully have emerged from being, there are degrees of vulnerability in enough of us whereby the egos (if not also the pocketbooks) of the unscrupulous are fed.

I honestly feel bad for both Goode and Wilcock and yet I hold the operational assumption that each soul has the opportunity to explore the realms of form and do so for eternity and thus, each may also have the opportunity to face that "soul penetrating mirror" to the point they get sick and tired of expressing the way they appear to be doing.

[SilentFeathers]

If anything, David is a very intelligent business man with charisma and rather creative marketing skills.
He needed some new blood so to speak for this new TV channel & series as he lost a lot followers over the last several years, Corey fit the mold and dove-tailed right into the "plan".
It had to be quite sensational to grab peoples attention and create a cash flow, Star Trek 3.0., the Hollywood effect.
Money is the fuel....

[Chester]

If anything, David is a very intelligent business man with charisma and rather creative marketing skills.
He needed some new blood so to speak for this new TV channel & series as he lost a lot followers over the last several years, Corey fit the mold and dove-tailed right into the "plan".
It had to be quite sensational to grab peoples attention and create a cash flow, Star Trek 3.0., the Hollywood effect.
Money is the fuel....

I would not discount the importance in feeding the ego with regards to Wilcock. From the first few times I heard/watched him, I had that ucky feeling of egomania oozing from every pore. I then recall hearing how he "climbed the ladder" from some reasonably reliable sources where friends became stepping stones and then discarded when deemed no longer useful.

As for intelligence... I recall David Icke pointing out the difference between intelligent and clever and I do not sense much intelligence in Wilcock, just unscrupulous drive mixed with some clever moves here and there.

Hey... though, I am just sharing my opinion. I also have dealt with my own serious issues and likely some, to some degree, still exist. Just note you won't see me "selling" out and hopefully I have achieved some humility. Forgive me that I always use myself as the example... I just feel this is the only example I have the right to use.

[SilentFeathers]

If anything, David is a very intelligent business man with charisma and rather creative marketing skills.
He needed some new blood so to speak for this new TV channel & series as he lost a lot followers over the last several years, Corey fit the mold and dove-tailed right into the "plan".
It had to be quite sensational to grab peoples attention and create a cash flow, Star Trek 3.0., the Hollywood effect.
Money is the fuel....

I would not discount the importance in feeding the ego with regards to Wilcock. From the first few times I heard/watched him, I had that ucky feeling of egomania oozing from every pore. I then recall hearing how he "climbed the ladder" from some reasonably reliable sources where friends became stepping stones and then discarded when deemed no longer useful.

As for intelligence... I recall David Icke pointing out the difference between intelligent and clever and I do not sense much intelligence in Wilcock, just unscrupulous drive mixed with some clever moves here and there.

Hey... though, I am just sharing my opinion. I also have dealt with my own serious issues and likely some, to some degree, still exist. Just note you won't see me "selling" out and hopefully I have achieved some humility. Forgive me that i always use myself as the example... I just feel this is the only example I have the right to use.

I agree, clever is a better word to use in this instance rather than intelligent....

[Gaia]

Thanks DNA, you mentioned the Antarctica story. That's the one piece of the puzzle that has a hook in me all the way. I know something big is going on there. I've no idea what, but it's kept me pinned to the news machine about it and the Corey Goode 'news' has been too hard to resist.

I know large numbers of people have been working down there for at least the last 3 years. They could be discovering stuff or they could be creating a false discovery or none of the above at all.

Could the Antarctic/Atlantis be part of a full or partial disclosure? This is the kind of title easily exploitable for people stupid enough to believe this crap. Like the flat Earth adepts for exemple ... It is true that Google and Nasa contribute a good deal to these conspiracy theories. But since 1959, there is a treaty on this territory and it is a no fly zone and a very good place to do scientific research but I do think that Wilcox and Goode make it easy and duped people naive enough to believe them over Antarctica subjects.

It must also be understood that all these people, like Alex Jones for example, live off the plot and the Enemy. They live by themselves and beyond pure information, feeding the Enemy himself through the catastrophism they induce within their audience. Let me take the example of Alex Jones. He is today incapable of the slightest discernment, the main thing being to make sensational and to put everyone in the same basket. You have to be careful with everything that is said. I remind you that the web and alternative info is today almost entirely invested by the Enemy, even in perfect sincerity from the people who contribute to it. Unravel or determine the false of the truth, especially on the Internet, is not a simple thing.

[DNA]

It must also be understood that all these people, like Alex Jones for example, live off the plot and the Enemy. They live by themselves and beyond pure information, feeding the Enemy himself through the catastrophism they induce within their audience. Let me take the example of Alex Jones. He is today incapable of the slightest discernment, the main thing being to make sensational and to put everyone in the same basket. You have to be careful with everything that is said. I remind you that the web and alternative info is today almost entirely invested by the Enemy, even in perfect sincerity from the people who contribute to it. Unravel or determine the false of the truth, especially on the Internet, is not a simple thing.


You criticize but provide no counterpoint.
Alex Jones covers a lot of territory but essentially he is 100% correct.
The elite want you dead.
You and everyone you know.
The truth is so overwhelmingly obvious to this fact that those who don't or won't acknowledge it excuse me, have their heads up their ass.

[Chester]

The elite want you dead.
You and everyone you know.
The truth is so overwhelmingly obvious to this fact that those who don't or won't acknowledge it excuse me, have their heads up their ass.

I can accept folks becoming frustrated. I can also understand (and thus avoid judging such that I don't need to then forgive) being terribly frustrated...

But I have to ask you, DNA... that if your opinion (which appears to be definitive) is true, do you see anything that "we" (I am using "we" to imply the collective target of this elite... all of us that "the elite want dead")... is there anything "we" can do about it?

If so, please share your opinions about what those things may be.

[DNA]

The elite want you dead.
You and everyone you know.
The truth is so overwhelmingly obvious to this fact that those who don't or won't acknowledge it excuse me, have their heads up their ass.

I can accept folks becoming frustrated. I can also understand (and thus avoid judging such that I don't need to then forgive) being terribly frustrated...

But I have to ask you, DNA... that if your opinion (which appears to be definitive) is true, do you see anything that "we" (I am using "we" to imply the collective target of this elite... all of us that "the elite want dead")... is there anything "we" can do about it?

If so, please share your opinions about what those things may be.


Understanding our situation, as painful as it is.
I force myself to endure exposure to this stuff so as I can make informed decisions.
We need to wake our friends up, our family members our loved ones.
Me personally, I've moved my family to a rural area and I would like to move my family further into a more rural situation.
There are so many different subjects we could discuss but that is not important, what is important would be one realization and that is the realization of INTENT.
There are so many levels and they all revolve around INTENT.
There are poisons in the food and water and you will never realize the extent this is a danger to you unless you recognize the INTENT behind it.
There are poisons being masked as immunizations, but unless you understand the INTENT behind what is going on you will never martial the necessary resources to resist, to step outside the programs, to refuse this attack on yourself and your children regardless of the social ridicule.
I know three women under 20 who developed cervical cancer and had to have a histerectamy because they took the shots against the human papaloma virus.
This isn't neglicagance, this isn't blind greed, this is a concerted attempt to attack the reproductive capability of the women of the world.
Knowing these things can help you when and if they start a pandemic and want you to be immunized against it via Jane Burgemiester's information.
So many different points of attack to discuss and the first and foremost way to defend yourself is to open yourself to one realization.
The realization that the elite want to reduce the population of the world.
They have the intent and want to kill you, and until you recognize this intent you will never be able to make informed choices that could possibly alter and or save your life.

[Hervé]

...

... and that intent is indistinguishable from that of a psychopath...

Insider Confirms Illuminati Want Us Dead (https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/04/Illuminati-want-us-dead.html)

henrymakow.com April 25, 2017
Dutch financier Ronald Bernard confirms the Illuminati is
"an annihilating force that hates our guts. It hates creation. It hates life. And it will do anything to destroy us completely."
He also confirms that all secret services serve these Satanists, who use child sacrifices to blackmail their members.

(Editor's Note- I realize this has had broad circulation but the text is not widely available. Many people do not have 40 minutes to watch the video.)

Irma Schiffers in conversation with Ronald Bernard

Here is the transcript of the English subtitles.

Courtesy of Dick Eastman
(Excerpts by henrymakow.com)


Bernard: ...One of the things that I found out... is about secret services; you think they are there to serve and protect a people, country, etc. but they actually turn out to be criminal organizations, to be more precise, the system is heavily so. We are talking about financing wars, creating wars, so basically creating a lot of misery in this world. So lots of conflict. And then I think to myself, if only people knew what the world is really like. Secret services will stop at nothing. Nothing. But they also have their flows of money, because they are trading in drugs or weapons or, for that matter, people. All that money has to go somewhere. Everything has to be financed.

Schiffers: You say "if," but you could confirm that they are doing this. All of them?

Bernard: All of them. Yes. So the entire world as we think we know it is just an illusion we believe in. Which is something you find out in this line of work. And where it all went wrong for me, to put it that way,

Schiffers: Yes, I feel the same way. All right. Can you tell me the worst thing that has happened that caused the tipping point in your situation?

Bernard: ...I was training to become a psychopath and I failed. I didn't complete the training and didn't become a psychopath. My conscience came back and the most difficult part for me was because I had such a great status there. I was successful. I was trusted with the people playing at this level. To put it carefully, most of these people followed a not very mainstream religion. So you have Catholics, Protestants, all sort of religions. These people, most of them, were Luciferians. And then you can say, religion is a fairy tale, God doesn't exist, none of that is real. Well, for these people it is truth and reality. And they served something immaterial, that they called Lucifer. And I also was in contact with those circles, only I laughed at it because to me they were just clients. So I went to places called Churches of Satan...

Bernard: Yes, In my opinion the darkness and evil is within the people themselves. I didn't make the connection yet. So I was a guest in those circles and it amused me greatly to see all those naked women and the other things. It was the good life. And then, at some point, I was invited, which is why I am telling you all this, to participate in sacrifices abroad. That was the breaking point. [Murder of] Children...

Bernard: (shakes head ) No. And then I started slowly to break down. I lived through quite a lot as a child myself and the reality touched me deeply. Everything changed. but that is the world I found myself in. And I started to refuse assignments within my job. I could no longer do it. Which made me a threat. For them, of course. I was no longer capable of functioning optimally. My performance stated to shake and I refused tasks. I had not participated. The purpose of the whole thing, eventually, is that world is that they have everybody in their pocket and blackmailing me proved to be very hard if I look back on it. They wanted to do that through those children. And that broke me.

Schiffers: Is that - you are not telling me something new - what they also do in politics?

Bernard: If you google this you will find enough worldwide accounts to know this isn't a Walt Disney fairy tale. Unfortunately, the truth is, that worldwide, they have been doing this for thousands of years. I once studied theology and even in the Bible you find references to these practices with Israelites. The reason the first 10 tribes were banished was because of these rituals with children, including the sacrifice of children, so this is pertinent, all this made me believe, because I realized there is more to life than meets the eye. There is a whole invisible world. It is real. You really do talk about a dark force and a manifestation of light. So I resorted to studying theology to make sense of it all...

Schiffers: That's scary because if you dig into that you find Tavistock Institute and mind control, MK Ultra/Monarch and the like...

Bernard: In all those studies and discoveries I found a document, that they are claiming is bull**** of course. The Protocols of Zion. And nowadays I recommend everyone to read the whole of that incredibly boring document, just work through it and read it through.

Schiffers: We are talking about Zionism.

Bernard: Yes. Of course. If you read the Protocols of Zion and really study them and understand then it is like reading the newspaper of the daily life. How from their position of ultimate power, and ultimate it has literally become, but that is only because the people do not stand up for themselves. They don't recognize what reality is. And we have all been programmed, if you dare to say you are against Zionism, then you are branded an anti-Semite. Then you are .. they try to .. The negative, you can say evil, the Luciferians, the Satanists, whatever you wish to call it, It is a real entity. I have found that what is written in the Bible and not just the Bible, you can find it in so many books. [30:31}

There really has been a moment of separation from the manifestation of light in which a group went their own way and are carrying an intense hatred, anger, the people who understand the severity of this are but few. Because this is an annihilating force that hates our guts. It hates creation. It hates life. And it will do anything to destroy us completely. And the way to do that is to divide humanity. Divide and conquer is their truth. Humanity is a manifestation of light, that is the true creation. As long as you divide them based on political parties, skin color, you name it, then you, from a Luciferian point of view, use that to suppress the full capacities of your enemy, their full power. They can't stand up for themselves, because if that would happen, the Luciferians would lose. Then this monster, the greedy monster, would disappear.

Unite. Unite. Come together. And the entire **** story ceases to exist. That's how fast it could happen. But that is easy for me to say now, but then I was in a period of my life in which I was crumbling.

Schiffers: Can you tell us something specific about that? How did that happen. Because you were invited

Bernard: I started to refuse assignments. My conscience came back after the request involving children and I started to refuse more and more. I had a conscience and I couldn't function any more... Broken. I couldn't do it anymore. I tried to work through it, keep up appearances. I didn't know how to get out of this. I was trapped as well. Everybody was trapped. This all led me to crash completely eventually. My body just simply stopped. The first thing I saw was my mother crying in Intensive Care...

Bernard: At that time I didn't believe in anything, but I can still recall how I saw, from that corner, I was looking down upon myself.

Schiffers: You had a near death experience....

Bernard: Yes I was a train wreck. Complete wreck. I was completely burned out. I had crashed and the body needed a year to recover. Because I ... I don't really want to get into it right now, but in those circles I got tortured physically during my exit time. This was in order to make sure I would never break the contract of secrecy. So I was taken for a certain amount of time. I was "treated", all those factors together, just increased the stress I was experiencing. literally running full speed towards my own end.

Schiffers: Do you mean abductions, as we call it, or programming?

Bernard: No. They exposed me to certain types of torture that makes sure you will never damage anyone in that world. I didn't realize it back then, so this is all from hindsight. It did all happen that way, so the end of my first life was so extreme that I couldn't handle it anymore. I couldn't handle it any more, in no way. However, my mindpower was so strong, that it only happened with and to my own body. That was .. well I don't know what to do anymore. There were no options left for me. So that is why sometimes I think -- of course that is not true -- but wish I had, like so many of my colleagues, taken the drugs and alcohol route. At least my end would have been more gentle, Because most of them are just dead by now. Even though I know there are more straw-men walking around there are few still alive whom I knew back then. Most of them are already gone. Well, I was dead too, but I am still here.

----

Related:
Other Posts and Videos by/about Bernard (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1816256)
Swiss Banker Unmasks Bilderberg Criminals (https://www.henrymakow.com/revelations_from_a_swiss_banki.html)
Freemasonry has Doomed Western Society (https://www.henrymakow.com/2016/01/Freemasonry-has-doomed-western-society.html)
Letter from Your Globalist Banker Friend (https://www.henrymakow.com/001544.html)
FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Blew Whistle on Child Molestation and Murder (http://educate-yourself.org/tg/) in USA

======================================================

... that's where the cycle can be broken...

[AutumnW]

The elite want you dead.
You and everyone you know.
The truth is so overwhelmingly obvious to this fact that those who don't or won't acknowledge it excuse me, have their heads up their ass.

I can accept folks becoming frustrated. I can also understand (and thus avoid judging such that I don't need to then forgive) being terribly frustrated...

But I have to ask you, DNA... that if your opinion (which appears to be definitive) is true, do you see anything that "we" (I am using "we" to imply the collective target of this elite... all of us that "the elite want dead")... is there anything "we" can do about it?

If so, please share your opinions about what those things may be.


Understanding our situation, as painful as it is.
I force myself to endure exposure to this stuff so as I can make informed decisions.
We need to wake our friends up, our family members our loved ones.
Me personally, I've moved my family to a rural area and I would like to move my family further into a more rural situation.
There are so many different subjects we could discuss but that is not important, what is important would be one realization and that is the realization of INTENT.
There are so many levels and they all revolve around INTENT.
There are poisons in the food and water and you will never realize the extent this is a danger to you unless you recognize the INTENT behind it.
There are poisons being masked as immunizations, but unless you understand the INTENT behind what is going on you will never martial the necessary resources to resist, to step outside the programs, to refuse this attack on yourself and your children regardless of the social ridicule.
I know three women under 20 who developed cervical cancer and had to have a histerectamy because they took the shots against the human papaloma virus.
This isn't neglicagance, this isn't blind greed, this is a concerted attempt to attack the reproductive capability of the women of the world.
Knowing these things can help you when and if they start a pandemic and want you to be immunized against it via Jane Burgemiester's information.
So many different points of attack to discuss and the first and foremost way to defend yourself is to open yourself to one realization.
The realization that the elite want to reduce the population of the world.
They have the intent and want to kill you, and until you recognize this intent you will never be able to make informed choices that could possibly alter and or save your life.

Edited out comment

[AutumnW]

DNA, sorry I was harsh here. What kind of hit a nerve was your stating you are removing your family to a remote location while indoctrinating them with these ideas. Even though most people, myself included, wouldn't disagree with some of your comclusions, I think it's damaging to kids to be brought up thinking anybody is out to kill them.

When it's an amorphous 'elite,' how is a kid supposed to deal with that?. They have to reject the body of belief for their own peace of mind. If they do that, they end up almost javing to reject you, if you closely identify with your beliefs. It's a terrible dilemma for a child.

Again, sorry. I have watched a lot of prepper episodes and been astonished at what people are willing to put young children through. Different if they are older.

[DNA]

DNA, sorry I was harsh here. What kind of hit a nerve was your stating you are removing your family to a remote location while indoctrinating them with these ideas. Even though most people, myself included, wouldn't disagree with some of your comclusions, I think it's damaging to kids to be brought up thinking anybody is out to kill them.

When it's an amorphous 'elite,' how is a kid supposed to deal with that?. They have to reject the body of belief for their own peace of mind. If they do that, they end up almost javing to reject you, if you closely identify with your beliefs. It's a terrible dilemma for a child.

Again, sorry. I have watched a lot of prepper episodes and been astonished at what people are willing to put young children through. Different if they are older.
You don't know what I'm teaching my kids so ease up on the assumptions.
I used to be like you, and I would get pissed off when guys like me would show up and attack my pretty little ideas of how the world worked.
So you keep your pretty little ideas about rainbows and unicorns pooping you out soft serve ice cream.
When the proper synchronicities hit, hopefully you will be ready to receive the information.
We are in a time and place where things are about to get real, so I hope your guardian angels can open your eyes, however that may be.

[AutumnW]

DNA,

Ironic that I could make the same statement. I used to be a lot like you. Then I found Valium. LOL. Kidding.

I spent a good decade preparing for an end that never came and tried to 'wake people up.' My reasoning made sense and all the signs were there, but it didn't happen. I just became way too immersed in 'knowledge' that was morbid and forgot about that whole other plane of existence -- a world where people are good and generous and spiritual help is just one small request away.


Yes, I assumed and could have assumed wrongly that you don't keep your beliefs to yourself. So then, let's just make it a general statement. If you think you are living in Hellworld, don't expose young children to those ideas. It's not good for them.

[Bill Ryan]

:focus:

... please. :)

[7alon]

I would love to hear what others were observing that were red flags for their discernment. It would be an education for all of us.

That's an important and intelligent question. It can be applied to every situation in which we find ourselves where we're presented with information that may be not be easy to evaluate.

The intelligence services use this well-tried system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_source_and_information_reliability

http://projectavalon.net/Source_reliability_and_Information_reliability.gif


That's a pretty useful thinking tool. It's objective (it has to be), and from an intelligence analysis point of view, is independent of irrelevant subjective factors such as whether a source is difficult to work with, or whether or not they're likeable as an individual.

In there, at the end, of course, there's a human evaluation which is at least subjective to a degree. To set the cat well among the pigeons, and to offer a few examples, I'd offer these personal assessments:



Corey Goode: E4
David Wilcock: C3
Michael Salla: B3

(and while on the subject of Mars and the Secret Space Program)


Andy Basiago: C4
Randy Cramer: E4
Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann): A2
Bill Deagle: A2
Jay Weidner: A2
Steven Greer: D2
Alfred Webre: D4


(And finally, to set the bar — discuss :) )

Linda Moulton Howe: A1
Rich Dolan: A1
Richard Hoagland: B2
Bob Dean: A2
Kerry Cassidy: B2
Bill Ryan: A2



Re Linda/Rich/Richard/Bob/Kerry/myself, some of the disparity in rating is accounted for by the nature of the material those six are willing to consider/explore/discuss.

A full list of people would be really interesting to see in another thread. :)

[AutumnW]

Much as I admire Linda Moulton Howe, I don't know if I'd rate her recent work A1. I think she is honest but don't know if she is vetting her sources as thoroughly as she used to. I still consider her one of the greats though. Plus, she is just such a cool person.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


:focus:

... please. :)

Thanks. I needed that! I could have used one of these, too. :blackwidow: LOL

[jms2112]

Not sure if I should post this here or in the 'other' Corey thread ...

Anyways some analysis by Terran Cognito: http://terrancognito.blogspot.com/2017/04/missing-data-from-corey-goodedavid.html

[happyuk]

It must also be understood that all these people, like Alex Jones for example, live off the plot and the Enemy. They live by themselves and beyond pure information, feeding the Enemy himself through the catastrophism they induce within their audience. Let me take the example of Alex Jones. He is today incapable of the slightest discernment, the main thing being to make sensational and to put everyone in the same basket. You have to be careful with everything that is said. I remind you that the web and alternative info is today almost entirely invested by the Enemy, even in perfect sincerity from the people who contribute to it. Unravel or determine the false of the truth, especially on the Internet, is not a simple thing.


You criticize but provide no counterpoint.
Alex Jones covers a lot of territory but essentially he is 100% correct.
The elite want you dead.
You and everyone you know.
The truth is so overwhelmingly obvious to this fact that those who don't or won't acknowledge it excuse me, have their heads up their ass.

If it really is the case that "they" want all of "us" dead then surely they would have accomplished this long ago? How do you define "them" and "us". It's not that easy. It could not be literally all of us, otherwise who is left to maintain and run the earth's infrastructure - banks, electricity, shipping, agriculture, sewers, energy and so on.

There is no plan to reduce the population - in fact the opposite seems true in many parts of the world. Many with their undesirable habits do a good job of killing themselves.

People have far more power than they think they have. Many choose to play the part of victim and do not even accept they have free will, therefore they will always be ruled over, never prevail at anthing and get what they deserve according to universal laws

Update: oops just saw Bills request for keeping to topic. Sorry.

[DNA]

If it really is the case that "they" want all of "us" dead then surely they would have accomplished this long ago? How do you define "them" and "us". It's not that easy.
Hi Happy
To know the truth, to know it to the extent that it is no longer an arm chair observation and or a titalating possibility is thoroughly depressing. I think this is why Corey Goodes have so much success. For those of us who are even remotely down the rabbit hole Corey Goode offers an alternative to the future that we feel is upon us. But the fact of the matter is, that sh!t isn't real. Corey Goode offers a fantasy and nothing more. I could tell you the truth in a few lines, but it would just sound preposterous because you have to personally go through a series of revelations before the truth can be even remotely understood. I've tried to explain the truth to folks before through referencing my own experiences and revelations, but it seems personal revelations are just that, personal, and they hold no bearing and or relevance to those who have shared no similiar experiences. It seems we need the assistance of our Guardian Angels to guide us to information that synchronistically clicks and through the combined power of the information we are led to and the affect of the synchronisity we are able to over come the paradigm paralysis that has been instilled in each and everyone of us.



It could not be literally all of us, otherwise who is left to maintain and run the earth's infrastructure - banks, electricity, shipping, agriculture, sewers, energy and so on.
They've said all along that they only need 500 million of us, and by my estimates that is fast becoming a mere 5% of the population. So that means they could do away with 95% of us.


There is no plan to reduce the population - in fact the opposite seems true in many parts of the world. Many with their undesirable habits do a good job of killing themselves.
Kevin Trudea is spending ten years in prison for revealing a very small part of that plan in a book he wrote. There is the REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN as well. There is the George Guide Stones as well. The Story is told in the Denver Murals if you are capable of interpreating them. And Phil Schnieder tells their story in his public speaking engagements you can watch on youtube before he was killed.



People have far more power than they think they have. Many choose to play the part of victim and do not even accept they have free will, therefore they will always be ruled over, never prevail at anthing and get what they deserve according to universal laws
Governments have always been the largest killer of their own people through out history. So historically speaking I see to reality in what you speak of.