Significant Keshe Foundation public announcements

[jaybee]

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Cheers for sharing the videos Johnny ~ I feel that at the core of the Keshe Foundation global project is that we are all students and we're all teachers ~
at some point in the 72nd Workshop Mehran Keshe said " we don't patent anything, we teach as fast as we can" ~

when you see just some of what people are doing re. experiments and sharing knowledge through videos etc...it really is amazing..

Re the second video with the home made winding machine to make copper coils ~ that's a good idea ~ I wound some on a wooden pencil ~ :)
and have some small ones (straight and in a circle) at the steaming stage of the hot caustic method to see if they can be good for making GANS ~

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[aranuk]

Aurelius is teaching me on skype! :rockon: I have had one lesson and understand much more now. I can't wait for lesson two.

Stan

[jaybee]

Aurelius is teaching me on skype! :rockon: I have had one lesson and understand much more now. I can't wait for lesson two.

Stan

great news ~ good luck with it all :thumb:

at this stage I'm not sure what I understand and what I don't :) ~ but I know I'm not alone in that ~

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[Erich]

Aurelius is teaching me on skype! :rockon: I have had one lesson and understand much more now. I can't wait for lesson two.

Stan

Please 30711ask Aureliuswhat to do after you make a closed circuit. I am kind of stuck. How do I get this to interface with a tablet or a light, etc...? Someone told me to connect it to a battery and then a light, but i baffles me.

Erich

[Johnny]

Aurelius is teaching me on skype! :rockon: I have had one lesson and understand much more now. I can't wait for lesson two.

Stan

Congratulations :clapping:

I have a suggestion, could you or Aurelius record the lessons and put it on YouTube ? I think for others, it would be a great help to find 'the red line' in the stuff.

Or could you make a kind of diary. I have seen you signed up Keshe's forum, you could make a new thread there, and public your notes, as I have recognized there are many 'newbies' there.

You could call the thread something like 'What I underSTANd'. OK, just kidding :) Or do you self have other suggestions to share the knowledge ?

Cheers Johnny :)

[Johnny]

at this stage I'm not sure what I understand and what I don't :) ~ but I know I'm not alone in that ~

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Now we have enough to make a club :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

[Erich]

at this stage I'm not sure what I understand and what I don't :) ~ but I know I'm not alone in that ~

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Now we have enough to make a club :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

I have gans of many types, beads, nano wires, and time and not sure what to do next!!!

[Johnny]

at this stage I'm not sure what I understand and what I don't :) ~ but I know I'm not alone in that ~

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Now we have enough to make a club :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

I have gans of many types, beads, nano wires, and time and not sure what to do next!!!

Hi Erich.

You could well start by getting a 60 W bulb to light up and then show us event !

If your previous post is supposed to get the LED bulbs to light, I do not think your nano coating of the cobber wire is good enough, as far as I can see, but I have no experience with it yet.

I am a slow starter obviously !!!

Johnny :)

[Erich]

at this stage I'm not sure what I understand and what I don't :) ~ but I know I'm not alone in that ~

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Now we have enough to make a club :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

I have gans of many types, beads, nano wires, and time and not sure what to do next!!!

Hi Erich.

You could well start by getting a 60 W bulb to light up and then show us event !

If your previous post is supposed to get the LED bulbs to light, I do not think your nano coating of the cobber wire is good enough, as far as I can see, but I have no experience with it yet.

I am a slow starter obviously !!!

Johnny :)

Well, I learned when you use the fire method the wire does not always go totally black. I dont think you can just touch wires and make it light up. Tried that and did not work. You kust create something they call harmony. As far as I can tell we hook up the plasma thing to a battery and then a light. But, it is hard to put a bunch of wires on a battery.

[aranuk]

I am lagging behind you all. Or as Mr Keshe says,"you lot". I watched a few KSW yesterday and no. 22 was very informative both the spiritual and the knowledge.

Stan

[jaybee]

at this stage I'm not sure what I understand and what I don't :) ~ but I know I'm not alone in that ~

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Now we have enough to make a club :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

Yeah ~ We could be the 'Waiting for the Hundredth Monkey to give us a Brain Boost Club' ~ unless you think that title is a bit on the loooong side...:wink:




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[jaybee]

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040121_zps9xnwzals.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040121_zps9xnwzals.jpg.html)



this is my first attempt at making GANS (gas at nano state) ~ not sure what's going on or if it's any where how it should be ~ but when I put the Volt Meter leads on it there is a little reading, on and off ~ numbers going up and down then going to naught ~ I have never used a volt meter before so it's all very new for me ~ it doesn't seem to be 'milky' and I thought it was supposed to be milky...?


the one on the left (the orange one) has a little bit of scrunched up nano coated copper and a solid brass hinge in dead sea salt solution 25% sea salt which may have been too much, dunno ~ It starting going orange straight away (3 days ago) and now there are flakes of orangey something in the bottom ~ I think I've made some tomato soup LOL :idea::idea:


the tub on the right has another kind of scrunched up nano coated copper wire, the kind with lots of strands - and originally it just had the zinc coated big washer opposite ~ it bubbled straight away around the copper but didn't seem to be doing much else so yesterday I chucked a bit of copper piping in (well hung it on a thread and hooked it on the peg to be precise :) )

now it has a vague pale lemon look about it but doesn't seem to be milky ~ this tub also had a solution of 25% dead sea salt with de-ionised water in it ~

in the tub on right ~ on the copper a day ish ago there were tiny blobs of what looked like fat or grease above the water line ~ so gawd knows what that was ~
something to do with the bubbles I suppose ~

anyway that's as far as I've got and it's all a learning process ~ I will try something else using the coils of nano coated copper next and not put so much salt in ~


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[jaybee]

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hmmmmm not sure if there is a text malfunction in my post above ~ I put a description of what was going on in the tubs and now it's not there ~ not there for me anyway ~ can someone tell me if it is there for them ?


edit ~cancel that I can see it now ~ it must have been a glitch from my end :)

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[aranuk]

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040121_zps9xnwzals.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040121_zps9xnwzals.jpg.html)



this is my first attempt at making GANS (gas at nano state) ~ not sure what's going on or if it's any where how it should be ~ but when I put the Volt Meter leads on it there is a little reading, on and off ~ numbers going up and down then going to naught ~ I have never used a volt meter before so it's all very new for me ~ it doesn't seem to be 'milky' and I thought it was supposed to be milky...?


the one on the left (the orange one) has a little bit of scrunched up nano coated copper and a solid brass hinge in dead sea salt solution 25% sea salt which may have been too much, dunno ~ It starting going orange straight away (3 days ago) and now there are flakes of orangey something in the bottom ~ I think I've made some tomato soup LOL :idea::idea:


the tub on the right has another kind of scrunched up nano coated copper wire, the kind with lots of strands - and originally it just had the zinc coated big washer opposite ~ it bubbled straight away around the copper but didn't seem to be doing much else so yesterday I chucked a bit of copper piping in (well hung it on a thread and hooked it on the peg to be precise :) )

now it has a vague pale lemon look about it but doesn't seem to be milky ~ this tub also had a solution of 25% dead sea salt with de-ionised water in it ~

in the tub on right ~ on the copper a day ish ago there were tiny blobs of what looked like fat or grease above the water line ~ so gawd knows what that was ~
something to do with the bubbles I suppose ~

anyway that's as far as I've got and it's all a learning process ~ I will try something else using the coils of nano coated copper next and not put so much salt in ~


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I am impressed by your progress Jaybee! Have you had some training in the sciences or physics? I haven't acquired any copper wires or metal plates yet, I am waiting till understand more.

Stan

[Erich]

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040121_zps9xnwzals.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040121_zps9xnwzals.jpg.html)



this is my first attempt at making GANS (gas at nano state) ~ not sure what's going on or if it's any where how it should be ~ but when I put the Volt Meter leads on it there is a little reading, on and off ~ numbers going up and down then going to naught ~ I have never used a volt meter before so it's all very new for me ~ it doesn't seem to be 'milky' and I thought it was supposed to be milky...?


the one on the left (the orange one) has a little bit of scrunched up nano coated copper and a solid brass hinge in dead sea salt solution 25% sea salt which may have been too much, dunno ~ It starting going orange straight away (3 days ago) and now there are flakes of orangey something in the bottom ~ I think I've made some tomato soup LOL :idea::idea:


the tub on the right has another kind of scrunched up nano coated copper wire, the kind with lots of strands - and originally it just had the zinc coated big washer opposite ~ it bubbled straight away around the copper but didn't seem to be doing much else so yesterday I chucked a bit of copper piping in (well hung it on a thread and hooked it on the peg to be precise :) )

now it has a vague pale lemon look about it but doesn't seem to be milky ~ this tub also had a solution of 25% dead sea salt with de-ionised water in it ~

in the tub on right ~ on the copper a day ish ago there were tiny blobs of what looked like fat or grease above the water line ~ so gawd knows what that was ~
something to do with the bubbles I suppose ~

anyway that's as far as I've got and it's all a learning process ~ I will try something else using the coils of nano coated copper next and not put so much salt in ~


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They look perfect. The orange one is iron gans and the left is brass or all copper? The copper gans is blue and a bit slow compared to the others.. Give it a day or two or three and you will see the gans on the bottom. You will see it clearly without any confusion. The color can vary depending on your materials, I think,, the salt the water, the environment, etc....for example, my co2 gans now is a bit green, an odd color I have never seen before. Your iron gans is ready to harvest.

[jaybee]

I am impressed by your progress Jaybee! Have you had some training in the sciences or physics? I haven't acquired any copper wires or metal plates yet, I am waiting till understand more.

Stan


Cheers for that, Stan...

I have absolutely no training in the sciences or physics ~ but I have an interest (on and off) that I have cultivated myself throughout my adult life ~ on the more alternative side of things ....

even the science classes at Secondary School were pretty hopeless, the science teacher (I realize now) must have been on the brink of a nervous breakdown, was teased mercilessly by the pupils and used to disappear into the store room for a fag most of the time ~ the only memory of those science classes that I have is the human fetus that was in a display jar..casually placed on a window ledge (of course that wouldn't be allowed now) and one day a few of us got together in the science 'lab' for a seance and were freaked out when the spirit that came through declared itself to be from the fetus in the jar .......gulp

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[jaybee]

They look perfect. The orange one is iron gans and the left is brass or all copper? The copper gans is blue and a bit slow compared to the others.. Give it a day or two or three and you will see the gans on the bottom. You will see it clearly without any confusion. The color can vary depending on your materials, I think,, the salt the water, the environment, etc....for example, my co2 gans now is a bit green, an odd color I have never seen before. Your iron gans is ready to harvest.

I am so grateful and happy to get your feedback Erich ~ many thanks :thumb:

I'm not sure how I got iron gans from nano coated copper and brass (tub on left) but this 'alchemical science' is all a bit '''magical''' so ........woo hoo...... :)

re the tub on right - interesting that you mentioned the colour blue because when I just had the thread-type nano coated copper wire and the zinc coated washer in it, it had a slight blue tinge to it ~ then I put a bit of extra (plain) nano coated copper wire in with the other bubbling bit and put the bit of copper pipe in and it went more of a pale lemon colour...

what you said about your co2 gans ~ I remember a couple of years ago Mehran Keshe talking about a 'new' colour appearing ~ perhaps this is the odd green colour you speak of ~ it did my head in trying to imagine what a new colour might look like :) because of course we have only been brought up with the colours that we have ~

good comment about the differing environmental conditions ~ I used Dead Sea Salt for the first gans experiment, but I also have some Atlantic Sea Salt to use at some point ~

I suppose the different salts will all have different content and quality and were formed/harvested at different magnetic locations around the earth ~

and there are the different magnetic and gravitational conditions where the gans is being made ~


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[Erich]

They look perfect. The orange one is iron gans and the left is brass or all copper? The copper gans is blue and a bit slow compared to the others.. Give it a day or two or three and you will see the gans on the bottom. You will see it clearly without any confusion. The color can vary depending on your materials, I think,, the salt the water, the environment, etc....for example, my co2 gans now is a bit green, an odd color I have never seen before. Your iron gans is ready to harvest.

I am so grateful and happy to get your feedback Erich ~ many thanks :thumb:

I'm not sure how I got iron gans from nano coated copper and brass (tub on left) but this 'alchemical science' is all a bit '''magical''' so ........woo hoo...... :)

re the tub on right - interesting that you mentioned the colour blue because when I just had the thread-type nano coated copper wire and the zinc coated washer in it, it had a slight blue tinge to it ~ then I put a bit of extra (plain) nano coated copper wire in with the other bubbling bit and put the bit of copper pipe in and it went more of a pale lemon colour...

what you said about your co2 gans ~ I remember a couple of years ago Mehran Keshe talking about a 'new' colour appearing ~ perhaps this is the odd green colour you speak of ~ it did my head in trying to imagine what a new colour might look like :) because of course we have only been brought up with the colours that we have ~

good comment about the differing environmental conditions ~ I used Dead Sea Salt for the first gans experiment, but I also have some Atlantic Sea Salt to use at some point ~

I suppose the different salts will all have different content and quality and were formed/harvested at different magnetic locations around the earth ~

and there are the different magnetic and gravitational conditions where the gans is being made ~


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I could be completely wrong about what kinds of gans you have. I first used a zinc plated iron of some kind and when it rusted the gans was orange. It is not rust, but an orange gans. I lightly nanomcoated the zinc plated stuff and there was no more rusting.

[jaybee]

I could be completely wrong about what kinds of gans you have. I first used a zinc plated iron of some kind and when it rusted the gans was orange. It is not rust, but an orange gans. I lightly nanomcoated the zinc plated stuff and there was no more rusting.

Never mind if you are right or not about the orange gans ~ the suggestion is much appreciated ~ and I will harvest it when I have got a syringe ~

any info about your experiments is MOST welcome re what you have said above as I am a complete beginner where these experiments are concerned ~ even just the words 'lightly nano coated' gets my brain whirling ~ :) as this is the first time I've heard that ~

I have some natural hematite that I found in the Avebury, Wiltshire area and I might see what happens when I use that as the '''mirror mineral''' (I just made that term up :) and it might not be very suitable, dunno, but... ) in a tub with nano coated copper wire ~

[Johnny]

anyway that's as far as I've got and it's all a learning process ~ I will try something else using the coils of nano coated copper next and not put so much salt in ~


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It looks really good :muscle:

According to the recipe Alekz http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcement-2-July-2015&p=974677&viewfull=1#post974677 He uses 'only' 10 - 15 % salt in the water, but maybe yours are better.

I appreciate hearing about yours and others experience !! :thumbsup:

I am a bit busy this days, so mine will come later.


Johnny :)

[aranuk]

I've just sold my house and busy looking for another one. Well, as I'm excited looking for another house I am equally excited about all this gans and plasma. Hopefully, soon after I have bought another house I will be able to concentrate on this stuff. I am alternating on the web looking for houses and watching videos of Keshe. Call it polarity if you want.

Stan

[aranuk]

While I'm here I must be able to get this off my chest. Mr Keshe speaks about giving freely this knowledge to power your home to the poor peoples of the world and also the poor peoples of the western civilisations too. As far as I'm concerned, if I am having great difficulty understanding how to get off the grid and save money, how will the uneducated people in Africa, South America, Asia understand all this? There are great numbers of people have been following the Keshe foundation for 5 years and such. How many of them after five years power their own homes and are not paying any money to power companies? Alekz is the only one I have heard of. Rick hasn't or Vince to my knowledge. On one of the early KSW videos Mr Keshe told Rick with what you have here Rick you could be generating 35 KW in your home. Has he? I haven't heard a word of that and that was a year ago. Does Mr Keshe pay power bills to a power company where he lives or does he install a "simple" device or devices wherever he lives. We hear nothing of these things. Only Alekz takes advantage. Come on Mr Keshe show us it simple so we can get it done. That's what I say. I am now speaking on behalf of the people of this world.

Stan

Edit: I have more understanding of what Mr Keshe says about the spiritual and psychological aspects than I do the technical. Mind you I still think re-incarnation and karma are a reality but Mr Keshe disagrees and says it is not a reality. We differ there.

[Erich]

I could be completely wrong about what kinds of gans you have. I first used a zinc plated iron of some kind and when it rusted the gans was orange. It is not rust, but an orange gans. I lightly nanomcoated the zinc plated stuff and there was no more rusting.

Never mind if you are right or not about the orange gans ~ the suggestion is much appreciated ~ and I will harvest it when I have got a syringe ~

any info about your experiments is MOST welcome re what you have said above as I am a complete beginner where these experiments are concerned ~ even just the words 'lightly nano coated' gets my brain whirling ~ :) as this is the first time I've heard that ~

I have some natural hematite that I found in the Avebury, Wiltshire area and I might see what happens when I use that as the '''mirror mineral''' (I just made that term up :) and it might not be very suitable, dunno, but... ) in a tub with nano coated copper wire ~

Someone suggested I just put the zinc innthe steam rather than submersing it in the caustic water.

[Erich]

While I'm here I must be able to get this off my chest. Mr Keshe speaks about giving freely this knowledge to power your home to the poor peoples of the world and also the poor peoples of the western civilisations too. As far as I'm concerned, if I am having great difficulty understanding how to get off the grid and save money, how will the uneducated people in Africa, South America, Asia understand all this? There are great numbers of people have been following the Keshe foundation for 5 years and such. How many of them after five years power their own homes and are not paying any money to power companies? Alekz is the only one I have heard of. Rick hasn't or Vince to my knowledge. On one of the early KSW videos Mr Keshe told Rick with what you have here Rick you could be generating 35 KW in your home. Has he? I haven't heard a word of that and that was a year ago. Does Mr Keshe pay power bills to a power company where he lives or does he install a "simple" device or devices wherever he lives. We hear nothing of these things. Only Alekz takes advantage. Come on Mr Keshe show us it simple so we can get it done. That's what I say. I am now speaking on behalf of the people of this world.

Stan

Edit: I have more understanding of what Mr Keshe says about the spiritual and psychological aspects than I do the technical. Mind you I still think re-incarnation and karma are a reality but Mr Keshe disagrees and says it is not a reality. We differ there.

I have mixedfeelings about this as well. As you start working with the gans and nano coating you will see there is def. Something powerful about it. If nothing else, the health cup and plant fertilizer as well as fuel additive are very cool and they absolutely work. I tell myself plasma tech can do it, but with the open learning concept you see a lot of failure and many dumb ideas that reflect theemotional state of the person more than a science idea. Funny, to hear myself saying this after so many years hating science, etc....

If only I had money enough I would buy his home power system when it first came out....it is rather strange no one discusses it. I understand bad people want to confuse and supress it too.

I suppose we have to figure it out. I am willing to go a few more steps to see what happens.

E

[aranuk]

While I'm here I must be able to get this off my chest. Mr Keshe speaks about giving freely this knowledge to power your home to the poor peoples of the world and also the poor peoples of the western civilisations too. As far as I'm concerned, if I am having great difficulty understanding how to get off the grid and save money, how will the uneducated people in Africa, South America, Asia understand all this? There are great numbers of people have been following the Keshe foundation for 5 years and such. How many of them after five years power their own homes and are not paying any money to power companies? Alekz is the only one I have heard of. Rick hasn't or Vince to my knowledge. On one of the early KSW videos Mr Keshe told Rick with what you have here Rick you could be generating 35 KW in your home. Has he? I haven't heard a word of that and that was a year ago. Does Mr Keshe pay power bills to a power company where he lives or does he install a "simple" device or devices wherever he lives. We hear nothing of these things. Only Alekz takes advantage. Come on Mr Keshe show us it simple so we can get it done. That's what I say. I am now speaking on behalf of the people of this world.

Stan

Edit: I have more understanding of what Mr Keshe says about the spiritual and psychological aspects than I do the technical. Mind you I still think re-incarnation and karma are a reality but Mr Keshe disagrees and says it is not a reality. We differ there.

I have mixedfeelings about this as well. As you start working with the gans and nano coating you will see there is def. Something powerful about it. If nothing else, the health cup and plant fertilizer as well as fuel additive are very cool and they absolutely work. I tell myself plasma tech can do it, but with the open learning concept you see a lot of failure and many dumb ideas that reflect theemotional state of the person more than a science idea. Funny, to hear myself saying this after so many years hating science, etc....

If only I had money enough I would buy his home power system when it first came out....it is rather strange no one discusses it. I understand bad people want to confuse and supress it too.

I suppose we have to figure it out. I am willing to go a few more steps to see what happens.

E

Me too Erich. I feel there is something in it for humanity, but I think Mr Keshe has a great strategy in revealing this to the world. He knows more than he lets on. As far as I'm concerned his strategy is working up to now. He has NOT been killed or silenced, or bribed with lots of money. Evidently his is very rich anyway. I have read much of Wade Frazier's post which are monumentous btw, which Wade describes all the inventors of free energy being taken care of by as he terms it Godzilla. The powers that be have an eye on everyone who is developing systems to produce free energy that would make you think twice on doing it yourself. I actually don't think the average person has been shown or told how to do this. The two hundred or so Truth Seekers who have enrolled and paid their 1000 Euros for a year perhaps have been shown and if this is Mr Keshe's insurance policy so let it be. I have nothing to say against that. I wish him and the human race the best. I have with patience watched nearly all of the TSW all 72 and all the kids ones 20. I have spent maybe 6 working weeks of 40 hrs watching the videos and I still don't know how to even get a fan working for free in my home let alone coming of the grid and having free energy for electric kettles, washing machines, dish washers, tumble driers, lighting, tv, music systems, computers, door bells, hoovers, central heating. I mean just one simple thing, there are thousands of people watching these videos and many are still trying to find out whether you twist wires clockwise or anticlockwise. I watched the first TSW 68 was it? Alekz shows how to make the beads. Did he explain which direction he was twisting the wires or why this is important. There are too many unknowns to understand the system clearly. I read on the facebook page people are asking if you are south of the equator do you twist the wire the other way opposite of how you twist it north of the equator and nobody seems to give an answer. In lots of ways its a shamble. But maybe this is Mr Keshe's strategy.

Stan

[aranuk]

Erich, you mentioned the power unit for sale. " If only I had money enough I would buy his home power system when it first came out....it is rather strange no one discusses it. I understand bad people want to confuse and suppress it too." I haven't heard of anyone who has received it but heard and read a lot of people who have paid for it and are still waiting for it. It has not been explained how to use it in your home. Do we ask the electric company we pay to cut us off like they do with folks who don't pay their bills and just connect it to our wiring system? I would need an electrician to do that for me. There is no way they would agree to pay me for adding electricity to the grid. They want me to keep paying them until I die. Some problems there I would guess. If Keshe Foundation really want to sell these small units to the public they should at least take ten minutes in a video to explain how it is done. Mr Keshe has mumbled a few times about how the mail or delivery companies are in kahoots with the king of Belgium and that is the reason these units have not been delivered. If he took the same time telling us how to set them up it would be better.

Stan

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wade says he is not the real thing, just the latest flavor of the day. I tend to agree.

There are reasons why it can't be done this way, as Wade has made perfectly clear.

If Keshe was right, Wade would be wrong. There just isn't a contest there.

Why the fumbling and bumbling? How does that further his cause? Doesn't he know the world is all about appearances? Put together a slick and sophisticated presentation and anyone can sell anything to anybody. That's just basic business, taught in every university. Business 101: how to look like you got something everyone needs to own.

I don't get it, and I ain't buying...

[Erich]

Erich, you mentioned the power unit for sale. " If only I had money enough I would buy his home power system when it first came out....it is rather strange no one discusses it. I understand bad people want to confuse and suppress it too." I haven't heard of anyone who has received it but heard and read a lot of people who have paid for it and are still waiting for it. It has not been explained how to use it in your home. Do we ask the electric company we pay to cut us off like they do with folks who don't pay their bills and just connect it to our wiring system? I would need an electrician to do that for me. There is no way they would agree to pay me for adding electricity to the grid. They want me to keep paying them until I die. Some problems there I would guess. If Keshe Foundation really want to sell these small units to the public they should at least take ten minutes in a video to explain how it is done. Mr Keshe has mumbled a few times about how the mail or delivery companies are in kahoots with the king of Belgium and that is the reason these units have not been delivered. If he took the same time telling us how to set them up it would be better.

Stan

It is the real thing, but the plasma EXTENDS the capacity of a conventional energy source like batteries or electricity.

[Erich]

Wade says he is not the real thing, just the latest flavor of the day. I tend to agree.

There are reasons why it can't be done this way, as Wade has made perfectly clear.

If Keshe was right, Wade would be wrong. There just isn't a contest there.

Why the fumbling and bumbling? How does that further his cause? Doesn't he know the world is all about appearances? Put together a slick and sophisticated presentation and anyone can sell anything to anybody. That's just basic business, taught in every university. Business 101: how to look like you got something everyone needs to own.

I don't get it, and I ain't buying...

It isnt about business. I understand that much for sure.

[jaybee]

While I'm here I must be able to get this off my chest. Mr Keshe speaks about giving freely this knowledge to power your home to the poor peoples of the world and also the poor peoples of the western civilisations too. As far as I'm concerned, if I am having great difficulty understanding how to get off the grid and save money, how will the uneducated people in Africa, South America, Asia understand all this? There are great numbers of people have been following the Keshe foundation for 5 years and such. How many of them after five years power their own homes and are not paying any money to power companies? Alekz is the only one I have heard of. Rick hasn't or Vince to my knowledge. On one of the early KSW videos Mr Keshe told Rick with what you have here Rick you could be generating 35 KW in your home. Has he? I haven't heard a word of that and that was a year ago. Does Mr Keshe pay power bills to a power company where he lives or does he install a "simple" device or devices wherever he lives. We hear nothing of these things. Only Alekz takes advantage. Come on Mr Keshe show us it simple so we can get it done. That's what I say. I am now speaking on behalf of the people of this world.

Stan

Edit: I have more understanding of what Mr Keshe says about the spiritual and psychological aspects than I do the technical. Mind you I still think re-incarnation and karma are a reality but Mr Keshe disagrees and says it is not a reality. We differ there.


What I think is this ~ that this is a HUGE project from the Keshe Foundation ~ years in the making and years in the teaching and delivery ~

I think that Mehran Keshe is a very clever man and at the same time a very good and spiritual man ~ but at the same time very human which means he can be a bit annoying sometimes :) ~ can't we all :)

It's his baby and he has, it seems outwitted those who might seek to kill him and suppress the technology ~ even if they bump him off now it's too late ~ it's out there ~ in the hands of governments, in the hands of scientists and in the hands of us citizens as well ~

I think Mehran Keshe is very aware about the damage rushing all this out could have on economies that are built around out dated technology, oil and whatnot, no one (no one who has really thought about it) wants societies to break down and the rule of law to disappear ~ the reality of which is no water coming through the taps, no food in the shops, no transport and marauding violent gangs ..?

So he lets it all out carefully ~

I hear what you say about the poor people of Africa and poor people everywhere being able to understand and take advantage of all this ~ heaven knows people the world over deserve a break ~ but this could be a tricky situation to get off the ground ~ and perhaps it has to be brought in in a controlled way or chaos could ensue ~

I'm wondering if people who are making significant headway with it all on the practical level are being very cautious because of the personal dangers that could come from being too public about it all at this stage ~ at the beginning of the first video in the opening post Keshe said that they had been looking after Alekz because he (and I think he said his family as well) had been threatened ~ perhaps anyone who puts their head above the parapet at that level, at this stage, has to be careful ~ there are some dangerous, rich people out there who won't want the Keshe Foundation to succeeed, and maybe some dangerous people who think they are doing the right thing protecting the old technology to protect world economic stability..? dunno ....

From memory ~ when Tesla got all sorts of amazing things together and made scientific advances he was rejected by businessmen because his technology couldn't be metered and so no outside parties could make profit from it ~ maybe it's ultimately the same with Keshe Plasma Technology ~ Tesla ended up alone and down and out and if I remember right just had a pigeon for a friend... :/

That isn't going to happen to Mehran Keshe ~

This is getting a bit long now but thanks for your thoughts on the matter ~ in a nut shell perhaps it's 'softly softly catchy monkey' :)

[jaybee]

If only I had money enough I would buy his home power system when it first came out....it is rather strange no one discusses it. I understand bad people want to confuse and supress it too.

I suppose we have to figure it out. I am willing to go a few more steps to see what happens.

E

I don't think we have anything to loose and potentially lots to gain ~

:thumb:

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[Johnny]

I've just sold my house and busy looking for another one. Well, as I'm excited looking for another house I am equally excited about all this gans and plasma. Hopefully, soon after I have bought another house I will be able to concentrate on this stuff. I am alternating on the web looking for houses and watching videos of Keshe. Call it polarity if you want.

Stan

Before you fall in love with another house, be aware of the energy the house is connected. I do not know how it is in Scotland, but in Denmark it is the following:

The heated part of the large houses where there are apartments or terraced, there are meters on all the heaters. For houses connected to district heating, from what are in some cases surplus heat,

one can not be disconnected from them.

If one has single house gas-distributing heat, it will cost about 700£ to be disconnected (at least before Goldman Sachs bought 19 % of the State owned company !!!!)

Johnny :)

[jaybee]

anyway that's as far as I've got and it's all a learning process ~ I will try something else using the coils of nano coated copper next and not put so much salt in ~


:sun:

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It looks really good :muscle:

According to the recipe Alekz http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcement-2-July-2015&p=974677&viewfull=1#post974677 He uses 'only' 10 - 15 % salt in the water, but maybe yours are better.

I appreciate hearing about yours and others experience !! :thumbsup:

I am a bit busy this days, so mine will come later.


Johnny :)

cheers Johnny......:thumbsup:

and for the link :thumbsup:

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oh and @ Erich ~ someone suggested in the Facebook Group the Golden Age of GANS that the brass hinge I used in the pot that went flakey orange/brown might have been brass plated steel...? Not sure if it was solid brass, I thought it was ~
they said that as far as they were aware you got CH3 from iron, so maybe I've made CH3...?

Don't know what to do with it now it's there :) but I'm happy to have got that far


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[samildamach]

As I understand it.if rich citizens by the finished product that the Keshe institute would provide poorer citizens the system for free

[aranuk]

I heard Mr Keshe say on one of the videos, ( I don't remember which one) there would be eleven given to poor people. Who would decide which persons would get one is not very clear. Who gets to decide whether someone is poor enough to get one free? is it the person that buy it gets to decide who the eleven families are that receive one or is it Mr Keshe. This is not very clear, and it SHOULD be. If it is as has been mentioned by Mr Keshe that the delivery company DHL is not trustworthy, then what company is it that Mr Keshe suggests is a reputable firm to deliver the goods punctually. One other thing when I am on this subject is this: I have not seen a video nor any written instructions to follow that explains how this small 300mm x 75mm canister is connected to our electricity supply. This is unclear and it shouldn't be. Why should it be connected to our electricity supply? I cannot see that these electric companies would agree to pay us any money for putting more energy into their grid when they have been stealing money from the population for a hundred years. Do we just tell the electric company to disconnect our supply and use the Keshe energy device quietly?


Stan

[Erich]

Stan, start making your gans and wires, start nano coating, etc....start doing what you are able and share what you discover. I don't know anything much about electricity so I know it will be a big challenge for me to hook into the grid, etc...But, I have done other things and continue to....

[aranuk]

Dear Erich, I have now sold my house and today my lawyer told me we have bought another. We move into the new house on the 18th September. My life at present does not permit me to start creating nano coated wires and gans. When we move into our new house I will certainly start this process I can assure you. At the moment all I can do is ask questions that I need to know the answers to, and encourage you guys to keep going forward in your own understanding. I am with you all and I am with the people of this planet to learn all that is available for our development in the future.


Stan

[jaybee]

As I understand it.if rich citizens by the finished product that the Keshe institute would provide poorer citizens the system for free

I haven't personally heard this ~ which isn't surprising as there is a lot of Keshe Foundation stuff out there :) and I have probably seen just a small % of it all ~

BUT ~ it sounds exactly like the kind of thing the Foundation would do ~

@Stan ~ you said "who decides whether someone is poor enough to get one free?" ~ good question and I suppose that would be Mr Keshe? I expect that the level of poverty isn't the only factor because the person would have to be in a position to utilize the '''system'''....

Poverty is relative anyway ~ I might be considered a bit poor compared to many people in Britain but to a poor person living in Africa I am living like a Queen with all my basic needs met on the domestic level ~ so I'm not really poor ~

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[jaybee]

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To share.....


I thought I would try doing 'it' (making Gas At Nano State) with some raw hematite that I found in the Avebury area of Wiltshire, UK....

Recipe ~ 15% ish Atlantic Sea Salt (bought from Tescos) with de-ionized water ~ scrunched up nano coated copper wire + the raw hematite ~ joined together with copper wire...


First pic 16:21 on 5/8/15


http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040127_zpschqvvijc.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040127_zpschqvvijc.jpg.html)



Second pic 20:02 on 5/8/15


http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040145_zpszxnycgbi.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040145_zpszxnycgbi.jpg.html)


Third pic 8:04 on 6/8/15


http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040152_zpss6qsdyrl.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040152_zpss6qsdyrl.jpg.html)


Meanwhile (later on the 6th) I get a visit from a Queen Bee with her tail end the same colour as the iron GANS..!!! I have never seen a bee like this before...big, black with the orange end...I was thrilled as I consider the Bee to be one of my main totems, so the visit was more than welcome ~ she had all her legs but you can't see one and was buzzing loudly and scratching at the glass ~ after taking the photo I helped her get out and she flew away ~ a black blob disappearing into the sky :)


http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040168_zpsjfkglqyb.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040168_zpsjfkglqyb.jpg.html)


Then just a while ago I took this pic ~ coincidently I notice now that I took it at 8am on the 8th of the 8th and 2015 all add up to 8 ~~~~ four eights~ :clapping:
That has to be lucky...even though I'm not Chinese :)

(by the way...I think China may be the nation that leads the way with the 'flying car' if and when the design and production gets off the ground (pun intended :) )

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040185_zps9tvuvw1e.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040185_zps9tvuvw1e.jpg.html)

[aranuk]

Again I am impressed Jaybee! You and Erich seem to be on your way. Keep up the good work!

Stan

[jaybee]

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thanks for the encouragement Stan.... :)

:thumb:


Jayne



edit to say ~ I find the raw hematite rather primal and beautiful ~


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[Nick Matkin]

I've been watching this thread as an arm-chair observer and see that it's reached 291 posts.

I'm impressed at the tenacity of the experimenters - the positive outcome of which should be ground breaking. But has anyone actually generated any electricity yet by following the many videos published by the Keshe Foundation - beyond a few millivolts from electrolytic action?

Nick

[aranuk]

I am half way through watching the 30th KSW which is very informative.

Stan

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I've been watching this thread as an arm-chair observer and see that it's reached 291 posts.

I'm impressed at the tenacity of the experimenters - the positive outcome of which should be ground breaking. But has anyone actually generated any electricity yet by following the many videos published by the Keshe Foundation - beyond a few millivolts from electrolytic action?

Nick

Hi Nick why don't you watch the 30th KSW you may understand a few more things.

Stan

[Aurelius]

just a note to let everyone know there are updates to post#1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcement-2-July-2015&p=974356&viewfull=1#post974356) of this thread.

Update includes:

10 Aug 2015 - interesting article: Disclosure, Why Sabotaging the Iran Agreement Takes Down America (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/10/disclosure-why-sabotaging-the-iran-agreement-takes-down-america/)

11 Aug - impromptu session (http://livestream.com/ssiworkshops/ksworkshops/videos/95983167) (Special KSA 11 Aug 2015) disclosing further technical info

[aranuk]

The 5 hr + video 74th KTS was well worth the time. Excellent stuff there.


Stan

[Johnny]

Meanwhile (later on the 6th) I get a visit from a Queen Bee with her tail end the same colour as the iron GANS..!!! I have never seen a bee like this before...big, black with the orange end...I was thrilled as I consider the Bee to be one of my main totems, so the visit was more than welcome ~ she had all her legs but you can't see one and was buzzing loudly and scratching at the glass ~ after taking the photo I helped her get out and she flew away ~ a black blob disappearing into the sky :)


http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040168_zpsjfkglqyb.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040168_zpsjfkglqyb.jpg.html)




I have never seen such a bee before, so my guess is it is a disguised jay-bee ;)

Have you made some gans ?? and how do it look like ?

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

Latest interview with Mike Harris and M. Keshe

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Johnny :)

[jaybee]

I have never seen such a bee before, so my guess is it is a disguised jay-bee ;)

haha you have blown my cover :highfive:

I looked the Queen Bee up and it's called Bombus Lapidarius



Have you made some gans ?? and how do it look like ?

Johnny :)


well I have just been away for a week so what I've got is still in the tubs ~ like the one with the natural hematite in the same post as her Royal Highness Bombus Lapidarius ~ I think what builds up and precipitates and lies at the bottom is gans ~ Erich said the other ones looked ok in a previous post and someone in the Golden Age of Gans Facebook group had something that looked the same ~ so now I have to harvest it ~ I got a cake-making syringe thing from a Pound Shop when I was away to try out, and suck up the stuff/gans at the bottom ~

then I think I have to dry it somehow and I will need to look into that and what's the best way to do it ~

I don't think there's very much but anything is good as it's all a learning experience ~

:thumb:

[Johnny]

I don't think there's very much but anything is good as it's all a learning experience ~

:thumb:

To suck the Gans up with you can in pharmacies buy syringes with or without needles not quite as big but very similar to those seen them use in Keshe Foundation and they are very cheap, at least in Denmark.

Ask for the largest type.

From the memory: remember to wash it (the gans) in fresh water, before you dry it in the final stage.

I only need a suitable copper plate and some sea salt before I can start. I have thought about whether one can use copper pipe instead of a plate, it is somewhat easier to get hold of.

Johnny :)

[jaybee]

To suck the Gans up with you can in pharmacies buy syringes with or without needles not quite as big but very similar to those seen them use in Keshe Foundation and they are very cheap, at least in Denmark.

Ask for the largest type.

I will see how I get on with the cake decorating syringe but will also see about getting one from a pharmacy :thumb:



From the memory: remember to wash it (the gans) in fresh water, before you dry it in the final stage.

cheers ~ that's what you do when you make ormus so that makes sense ~ also with ormus making you can remove the water above the precipitate then added more for the wash ~ so I suppose you could do that with the gans as well ? ~ either or...?


I only need a suitable copper plate and some sea salt before I can start. I have thought about whether one can use copper pipe instead of a plate, it is somewhat easier to get hold of.

Johnny :)


you know ~ I don't see why not ~ copper is copper ~ perhaps the pieces of copper plate are more for convenience than anything else...dunno... in fact if you wired three or four copper pipe pieces together you would have a bigger surface area for the nano coating than you would with a flat bit ~

In those small tubs that I've done the experiments in, I just used some randomly scrunched up nano coated copper wire (using small pointed pliers and wearing the gloves for protection ~ apparently it's important not to touch the nano coated things with bare skin)


Can't wait for you to 'have a go'..at nano coating and making gans..:thumbsup:

:sun:

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[jaybee]

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I was looking up about whether to 'wash' the GANS or not and I stumbled on this short video which had one of the comments about washing GANS ~ in fact here are all the comments ~ 3rd one about the washing ~



Zia fatemi 3 weeks ago
The muddy thing might be amino fatty substance by product of the CO2 gans creation. Does it feel oily? It looks like a lot of fatty stuff. What did you do , what types of plates you used??
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David Pauldevale 3 weeks ago
+Zia fatemi the copper plate made a lot of copper oxide then i left it for a month then amino then fat then they would sink i took the copper plate out and nano it but he zinc plate had all holes in it the muddy gans has anice aroma one capfull white wine made one power sell1.15volts
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Zia fatemi 3 weeks ago
after you collect the CO2 from the bottom you need to wash them down 2 or 3 times to get the salt out. Just collect in a container pour filtered water over them let the salt get dissolved, drain the top water and repeated. eventually you get all CO2 gans with may be 2 cm of water on top. Leave for a few days or put under a high beam light to dry out the rest of the water. You get dryed CO2. Or you can get the fluid one and add 15 ml to the tank of the car to get huge improvement in gas mileage.

Do the similar method but different plate types to get CU02 and CH3 gans. If you nano coat brass you will get a gans mixture of CU, FE, and CO2 . The mixture can be used to create the battery watch 70th workshop.

How did you get the muddy (cream) gans!! maybe you used tap water and it had calcium in it. Don't know????
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I had some 'fatty' substance on a nano coated bit of copper that was above the waterline ~ it's in a previous post that I might look for later ~


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I'm not quite sure what all that with the shavers is about ~ I think those are probably GANS filled 'reactors' on the top of them and the guy is saying that the motors are going a bit crazy...?

Couple of other things ~ at around 2:09 we see that amongst all his home experiments stuff he has a small white polar bear.!! So Connor has his white buddha, I have my white hare and this guy has a white polar bear ~ it made me smile :sun: bit of a theme building up :sun:


Also ~ the 'sandy muddy substance' that took two months to form (1:00) and is talked about further in the comments ~ I couldn't help recalling the ancient stories about humankind being fashioned out of clay by Gods and Goddesses ~ this must be because they had scientific knowledge of how life comes about !!!

Or at least are repeating a version of very ancient stories from a time long long ago when this kind of scientific knowledge was around and possibly used as a base for the technology that they had then ~


for example


http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Creation_of_Humans_from_Clay



The ram-headed god Khnum, also known as "The Guardian of the Cataract" or "The Great Potter", was one of the earliest Egyptian deities and was said to have created mankind from clay.


and a quote from the science part on the link...




Research has already shown that some of building blocks for RNA-like molecules and membranes are spontaneously created by chemical reactions in outer space and in conditions that may have existed on the primordial Earth. But how these subunits were then assembled is still debated.

For RNA, one popular theory revolves around the unusual properties of montmorillonite clay. The negatively charged layers of its crystals create a sandwich of positive charge between them. This turns out to be a highly attractive environment for RNA subunits to concentrate and join together into long chains.

100-fold acceleration

Szostak wondered whether montmorillonite could also help the assembly of vesicles from simple fatty acid precursors. He remembers the day his colleagues Hanczyc and Fujikawa ran into his office to show him their first results: the clay caused a 100-fold acceleration of vesicle formation.

"It was pretty amazing," he says. Once formed, the vesicles often incorporated bit of clay and were able to grow by absorbing more fatty acid subunits.

His team also showed the clay could hold RNA and form vesicles at the same time. Fluorescently-labelled RNA attached to the clay ended up assembled into vesicles after the reaction. And the researchers were able to get these "protocells" to divide by forcing them through small holes. This caused them to split into smaller vesicles, with minimal loss of their contents.


Mehran Keshe has said that his plasmatic magnetic gravitational technology is a replica of how life on earth began ~


And I'm like ~ OMG ~ seriously OMG ~ the simplicity at the base of this technology is now available to all :wacko2::)

And anyone who wants to can experiment with it ~

This is obviously why Mehran Keshe has gone to great lengths to create the World Peace side of the project ~ with these powers comes great responsibility ~ it's like it is a sacred endevour as well as enjoying the excitement of it all and the regular day to day experiments ~


:flower:


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[ArrowD.]

So here it is. Are You Ready to Buy?
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[Nick Matkin]

At last. That looks very interesting, but for a promotional video it's a bit vague on technical details. Any serious buyer is going to want to scrutinise the technical aspects of such a revolutionary power source. There could easily have been a section with specifications for that model included.

Why no mention of its capacity? There's something about it running a car 'infinitely', but doesn't mention basic important matters current or voltage.

I'm assuming that example is a 12 volts source given it has cigarette-lighter plug, and that plug has a maximum current rating of about 10 amps. It's quite possible it can run petrol/diesel car electrics (i.e. lights, radio and maybe the heater) if the vehicle's electrics allow voltage and current "pushed in" at an output socket (in practice this should be possible without modifications provided the current rating of the wiring harness and fuses aren't exceeded).

But even if the device can supply the hundreds of amps to start the motor, the 12v plug as supplied wont! (OK, that's not quite what was stated, but it wasn't clear for the non-technical.)

I think that a promotional video should have the device properly demonstrated by Keshe, not some disembodied voice discussing an image.

Anyway, if this technology is genuine, there is no suppressing it now.

Nick

PS: Didn't he offer to demonstrate this technology to European leaders and their technical advisers last year? What became of that?

[Erich]

Please buy one and send the extras Keshe sends to me, please. At least one.

Erich

[jaybee]

So here it is. Are You Ready to Buy?


Thanks for the video ArrowD -

Am I ready to buy..?

Maybe ~ soon, if I have the money ~ at the moment I'm more focused on the home experiments

:thumb:


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[jmag0904]

Not to be a downer, but I'm very skeptical of Keshe. This "unveiling" announcements come out every so often (for many years now) that seem to blow what he has out of proportion. I'm willing to think he might have some interesting proofs of principle (of something), but I'm not convinced he has technology that really works as-advertised or is "ready for market", etc. Wouldn't mind being proven wrong though.

[Nick Matkin]

Not to be a downer, but I'm very skeptical of Keshe. This "unveiling" announcements come out every so often (for many years now) that seem to blow what he has out of proportion. I'm willing to think he might have some interesting proofs of principle (of something), but I'm not convinced he has technology that really works as-advertised or is "ready for market", etc. Wouldn't mind being proven wrong though.

You've hit the nail on the head!

Another group, HopeGirl and the Quantum Energy Generator team, had a 'ground-breaking' design published and 'demonstrated' last year (2014), the plans of which they posted on the web (and update) for free. I suspect if anyone got one to work, someone, somewhere would have made a big noise about it, especially if it breaks the laws of known physics.

The QEG team and Mr Keshe can expect the Nobel Prize for Physics. All they have to do is prove their technology works.

Nick

[Erich]

If you followed the workshops uou would know it is already proven. There are many other known, proven methods. The problem is politics not proof.

[Nick Matkin]

If you followed the workshops uou would know it is already proven. There are many other known, proven methods. The problem is politics not proof.

In that case a working device (which apparently established science ignores) could be donated to Oxfam or a similar charity to say, illuminate an African village. That way not only does the team making the device get publicity, they are seen as at least slightly entrepreneurial, and it unavoidably and very publicly can be shown to work.

Why hasn't that been done with a prototype device - just to get the ball rolling...?

These guys need to think outside the box!

Nick

[jaybee]

If you followed the workshops uou would know it is already proven. There are many other known, proven methods. The problem is politics not proof.

In that case a working device (which apparently established science ignores) could be donated to Oxfam or a similar charity to say, illuminate an African village. That way not only does the team making the device get publicity, they are seen as at least slightly entrepreneurial, and it unavoidably and very publicly can be shown to work.

Why hasn't that been done with a prototype device - just to get the ball rolling...?

These guys need to think outside the box!

Nick


What a good idea :idea:

Why don't you get that together yourself?

You could put the idea forward to a Keshe Foundation Group

OR (better still)

get making nano coated copper and making GANS and see if you
can do it all from scratch ~ then send it to Oxfam

OR (better still)

take it over to an African Village yourself ~ :clapping:

What I'm getting from the Keshe Foundation is that although Mehran Keshe
himself and the growing World Wide Foundation groups provide leadership
teaching and inspiration ~

It is an organic kind of leadership that isn't elitist ~

as far as I can tell, everyone is encouraged to feel that they can be part of it
~ and if they can, to expand on the knowledge and inventions ~
share and communicate at what ever level they feel comfortable with...

to just get on with it ~ there isn't a certain kind of person needed ~ we are all
in it together (if we want to be)

:beer:

cheers

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[Nick Matkin]

Why don't you get that together yourself?

Because there are those (QEG and Keshe amongst others) who claim already to have developed free-energy technology. I'd have thought if no one in the establishment will take them seriously, such an eye-catching initiative would get the attention and funding that could develop their work.

I did suggest it to the QEG team. Didn't even get an acknowledgement from them.

But has anyone in this thread made any electricity yet by following Keshe's videos? They have been around now for some months.

Nick

[Aurelius]

dear Nick .. a few comments below (in red) ...




Because there are those (QEG and Keshe amongst others) who claim already to have developed free-energy technology.

... great admiration for Jamie, his intention and being steadfast in his resolve. When Jamie release the initial QEG plans, it was not a fully functional & completed device. He got the gist of the concept from Thrapp (there were others who worked on this beforehand .. including Brandt). There's a long history here.
Step 1 was to obtain resonance. Which they achieved successfully.
Step 2 was to convert the reactive power to usable power. Not sure if they ever made it past this? .. he'd probably have good success if he used Babcock's technique.
Jamie should not have said he had a working device, until he was past step 2. Unfortunately I also understand the dilemma, if he only went public after completing the device, he & his family may not be alive today. Going public, getting the focus on him and releasing the tech as it evolved, was probably the best way.
The QEG is fully capable of generating xx kW worth of power, but I don't think Jamie has got it there yet.

... Mr Keshe's technology works at a much higher order, its energy source is not electron / matter based. This is why it is capable of xx MegaW / GigaW worth of power, important to remember this. If you want to make your own device, go here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfaMMojo6ek), if you want to buy one, go here (http://www.keshefoundation.org/shop-et-livres/kf-products)

It is important we don't become overly fixated with the power production aspects, as the same underlying technology/concept gives you: movement (positioning), health/medical, material production, communications, shielding, food/sustenance etc.

I'd have thought if no one in the establishment will take them seriously, such an eye-catching initiative would get the attention and funding that could develop their work.

question: have you ever wondered why most (all?), free-energy devices (they do truly exist), never see the light of day?
.. sadly, i could give you a fairly long list of names of individuals who absolutely had working devices.

hint: the definition of madness is doing the same thing over & over and expecting a different result.
ie. patents, peer-review, funding, commercialisation, exclusivity arrangements, partnering etc. .... these are the holes / traps that pretty much most inventors have fallen into (they are channels that can be abused). Mr Keshe appears to be fully aware of this, he's a wise & shrewd man and knows how to play the game. I'm aware of no one in human history, that has adopted a strategy as detailed below.

His strategy appears to have multiple tracks, at a high-level the bits relevant to the masses appears to include, in an incremental fashion, achieving the following:
-funding. Mr Keshe is a wealthy man, he is fully funded - complete
-maintain independence - complete
-couldn't give a damn about peer-review and scientific / public opinion - complete
-has worked with the technology and is fully aware of how to deliver (ie. the core technology is tried and tested) - complete. however, enhancements, different uses / embodiments that's up to current and future generations to further.
-gain public attention - complete
-build a network of followers (knowledge seekers), they are the front-line (both good, for you and them & sometimes not so good for them [for starters ask Alekz]) - complete
-those that are asleep will remain asleep, the sceptics will remain sceptics, the dis-info machine is hard at work
-regular public teachings - open cards & regular private teachings (which will be made public) to a selective audience that becomes the front-line - complete and work in progress
-using the SAME foundation knowledge teachings across ALL disciplines (physics, agriculture, psychology, medical, cosmology, geology etc.) - work in progress. Less than a hand full of people in human history have done this. Da Vinci being one. Humanity / academia instituted the silo's, in nature they don't exist.
-ability to deal with governments / military / corporations / religious establishments - ready and dangerous
-try to stay alive & transfer the knowledge in the correct manner (many attempts on his life to date) - so far so good
-ability to move fast, channels for rapid deployment of knowledge - in place
-archiving all teachings for new comers & future generations - in place
-ensure the basic concepts & principles are seeded with laymen globally in different languages (and not just with scientific institutions / governments / military's). everyone becomes a super-power now, no more have's and have nots - in place & work in progress
-always use simple language, avoid equations / scientific talk to make it as easy as possible for the layman. as most people have discovered, Mr Keshe has a brilliant mind, but isn't the world's best teacher. Mr Keshe has trained the front-line, very soon the knowledge seekers will step up to the mark and do the teaching. Mr Keshe will take a back seat and focus on other aspects.
-monitor & fine-tune the understanding as it progress, too much too soon will just confuse people, ensure the understanding is correct and does not get dis-info'd - work in progress. There are always interesting people out there, that you can describe a blue plastic cup to them & somehow it becomes a purple washing machine overnight!
-see'ing is believing: offer sufficient knowledge & understanding, steering clear of the no-go areas, that allows the masses to build systems, see results and enjoy the technology. this may not be the optimal embodiment, but the technology will work - work in progress
-aggressively steer away from the no-go knowledge areas, where the technology can be weaponised. not an easy task! allegorically speaking, try showing someone around your home and constantly steer away from living room! .. then be asked about the living room (when someone notices it), then try to give a satisfactory answer (perhaps a partial truth with some omissions).
-avoid copy-cat behaviour (ie. people replicating something, which they have no understanding of). it is important they have an understanding of the fundamentals
-as the understanding progresses, feed more detail / knowledge (remember there are modalities beyond using mag-grav field strengths, as an analogy, we are on page 1 of book 1, not sure how far we will get, it's up to us, the harder we work to understand, the more the knowledge will be expanded upon).
-ensure the technology never gets shelved / hijacked / exclusively put into the hands of corporations - so far so good (though in the past there have been, there are currently and will be more attempts)
-achieve WORLD PEACE (as per the Keshe Foundation peace roadmap). MOST important! this initiative is time sensitive. if you think you are "enslaved" now, stay tuned! .. when the incumbent power structure masters this tech & uses it against you, god help you, they will own your mind. the quicker the masses master this tech the better. i'm 100% confident military's / corporations / terrorists have their "best of the best" hacking away at this technology. if you know what you are looking for, you will already seen this tech being used by some governments (includes USS Donald Duck & RQ-170).
-this technology will fundamentally change society, it changes the game & the underlying rule-set that is used to maintain the status-quo. Expect a lot of turmoil & instability, in time to come. If you think a few thousand refugee's banging away at the Euro-tunnel in Calais is something, how about them now on you front porch banging away on your front door. the end of the petro; medical; food -dollar (includes pretty much every "essential" required to sustain human life that has been controlled & abused). This technology will equalise.
- WORLD PEACE again, ensure sufficient knowledge & understanding is provided to the layman, that will allow them to go into space, in a fully self-sufficient manner (energy, propulsion, medical, food, material production, protection/shielding etc.). You carry no supplies. Your most important asset becomes your knowledge, understanding, know-how & experience.
- Mr Keshe has stated we have 2 to 24 years to complete all the above. I understand why he says this & how it can be validated. though i am note sure if humanity can achieve this, not because of understanding & mastering the technology, but because of man's "belief-systems", albeit scientific; social; medical; political etc. and the incumbent power-structure.
- WHEN world peace is achieved, we go into space. if we go into space with the current warmongering behaviour that we see on this planet, we will be annihilated by those who have a greater knowledge & understanding. this does not mean everything is peaceful out there, we do need to know how to protect ourselves, but we go in peace.


I did suggest it to the QEG team. Didn't even get an acknowledgement from them.

unfortunately Hope / Jamie & his wife have been and still are inundated with emails, one just cannot respond to them all. I suspect your email got lost in this back hole.

But has anyone in this thread made any electricity yet by following Keshe's videos? They have been around now for some months.

As part of the teachings, Mr Keshe has for a long time given a lot of tips / direction, these include:
using gans to remove the GMO from a seeds. in the case of wheat, depending on exposure time, it will revert back to the original form (grass).
make & use your own pain pad (it can deal with a lot more than pain)
information transfer to water (watermelon, banana etc.)
using gans to enhance plant growth (the Chinese are running with this full steam ahead)
Mr Keshe's technology being used (covertly) to clean-up the radiation in Fukushima
use the co2 kit to clean up the atmosphere
water production - new on the scene, already a few are running with this
most recently how to loose weight in a simple fashion using emotion (salt / sugar technique)
even more recently the highly effective medical devices (pens) Brennan presented
and quite a few more

... most of the above are very simple, easy to do over one's kitchen counter, no special lab / equipment / facilities required. many people are running with these experiments and openly sharing their results / findings daily. interestingly the most activity appears to be happening in the far east, eastern block countries, south america & africa

As in electronics one has the core building blocks: the resistor, diode, capacitor, inductor etc. and from these you can build your complex devices ie. the television, computer, internet etc.

Likewise Mr Keshe has already released the core principles & components of plasma technology: easy ways to make sc2/sc3 grade nano material, simple ways of gans production (a few flavours already covered), creation of free-plasma and the star-formation configuration (with many other configurations possible). With these building blocks, lies the future of humanity. Simple, complex & composite systems can be built. People just haven't joined the "dots" yet, of how to connect the basic building blocks, to make the "television", "computer", "internet" (though the devices / systems built using plasma tech will be much more impressive than what i listed. it will also help answer many questions, that many people on avalon seek answers to). Mr Keshe helps knowledge seekers to join the dots ever now & then, a nudge them in the right direction.

I remember how long, how hard & how much effort it took Nikola Tesla to get humanity & the "establishment" to accept & adopt AC power, as superior to DC power (Edison) in the early 1900's .. approx 12 years if i remember correctly. Let's not talk about what happened to the great Galileo & Giordano Bruno for their ideas & when they attempted to change "belief-systems" or alter power-structures.

Note: electronics in its current form, based on electron flow, will not work effectively for deep space travel.

Nick

[The Truth Seeker]

If you followed the workshops uou would know it is already proven. There are many other known, proven methods. The problem is politics not proof.

In that case a working device (which apparently established science ignores) could be donated to Oxfam or a similar charity to say, illuminate an African village. That way not only does the team making the device get publicity, they are seen as at least slightly entrepreneurial, and it unavoidably and very publicly can be shown to work.

Why hasn't that been done with a prototype device - just to get the ball rolling...?

These guys need to think outside the box!

Nick

Hello Everyone,

Just to provide a little clarity, this technology IS being brought to Africa. We apologize for the delay, however, politics gets in the way of so many small aspects, that time is not on our side. Passports, crew, Teachers and open-mindedness all take time to procure. I have been a knowledge seeker since before Rick and the group created the public workshops, and the information in the last 2 years (now including the Online Teachings), is amazing. This has never been about believing, or proof, it makes sense (for me, and so many others). School is for yesterday, understanding and always learning is for tomorrow, just might be a little more "elbow room" among the stars.

Many people have built and experimented, including myself bringing knowledge forward for years. Lets not prototype, lets BUILD! We are always thinking outside, however, it doesnt include a box, but the next layer of plasma :)

Vince

PS - Thank you, everyone, for your support of the knowledge and helping bring this to each of your communities.

[Aurelius]

interesting tid bit: go to wikipedia and try to search for Mr Keshe, then check archive.org (you'll see his wikipedia page existed for many year). Try to re-add the wikipedia entry see what happens. fascinating?

[The Truth Seeker]

Just a friendly reminder that August 21st is upon us. Please take time today to think about peace. In your heart and soul. Harm no one, and use this day to put down your arms, including for hunting!

Thank you!

[Nick Matkin]

If you followed the workshops uou would know it is already proven. There are many other known, proven methods. The problem is politics not proof.

In that case a working device (which apparently established science ignores) could be donated to Oxfam or a similar charity to say, illuminate an African village. That way not only does the team making the device get publicity, they are seen as at least slightly entrepreneurial, and it unavoidably and very publicly can be shown to work.

Why hasn't that been done with a prototype device - just to get the ball rolling...?

These guys need to think outside the box!

Nick

Hello Everyone,

Just to provide a little clarity, this technology IS being brought to Africa. We apologize for the delay, however, politics gets in the way of so many small aspects, that time is not on our side. Passports, crew, Teachers and open-mindedness all take time to procure. I have been a knowledge seeker since before Rick and the group created the public workshops, and the information in the last 2 years (now including the Online Teachings), is amazing. This has never been about believing, or proof, it makes sense (for me, and so many others). School is for yesterday, understanding and always learning is for tomorrow, just might be a little more "elbow room" among the stars.

Many people have built and experimented, including myself bringing knowledge forward for years. Lets not prototype, lets BUILD! We are always thinking outside, however, it doesnt include a box, but the next layer of plasma :)

Vince

PS - Thank you, everyone, for your support of the knowledge and helping bring this to each of your communities.


That's really good to hear. Are you able to tell us where in Africa and for what? Using it to bring light to an isolated community sooner rather than later would be tremendously important.

I've worked briefly in Juba (South Sudan) and the lack of a reliable electricity supply (and none at all in most villages) prevents so much that we take for granted.

Are you working through a NGA to help get things moving?

Nick

[jaybee]

That's really good to hear. Are you able to tell us where in Africa and for what? Using it to bring light to an isolated community sooner rather than later would be tremendously important.

I've worked briefly in Juba (South Sudan) and the lack of a reliable electricity supply (and none at all in most villages) prevents so much that we take for granted.

Are you working through a NGA to help get things moving?

Nick


I think that caution should be exercised revealing too much detail about a project like this ~ at the moment ~

There are almost certainly 'people' who do not want to see too much improvement on the African Continent because this could affect their wealth and power in some way ~ ??


Look what happened to Gaddafi and the Jamahiriya and the Great Man Made river


http://www.countercurrents.org/chengu120113.htm

In 1977 the people of Libya proclaimed the Jamahiriya or "government of the popular masses by themselves and for themselves." The Jamahiriya was a higher form of direct democracy with 'the People as President.' Traditional institutions of government were disbanded and abolished, and power belonged to the people directly through various committees and congresses.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/may/27/libya-water-hidden-weapon

With an estimated cost of nearly 30 billion dollars, the GMMR's network of nearly 5,000 kilometres of pipeline from more than 1,300 wells drilled up to 500 metres deep into the Sahara was also intended to increase the amount of arable land for agricultural production.


http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/27/great-man-made-river-nato-bombs/

NATO bombs the Great Man-Made River


So ~ if locations could be pinpointed where Keshe Technology was being developed and used ~ perhaps this could put the named villages in danger...?

IMO I think it could ~~~~ at this point in time ~

.

[jaybee]

Just a friendly reminder that August 21st is upon us. Please take time today to think about peace. In your heart and soul. Harm no one, and use this day to put down your arms, including for hunting!

Thank you!


:clapping:


http://www.keshefoundation.org/new-horizons/peace-roadmap




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[jaybee]

interesting tid bit: go to wikipedia and try to search for Mr Keshe, then check archive.org (you'll see his wikipedia page existed for many year). Try to re-add the wikipedia entry see what happens. fascinating?


The same thing happened to Boyd Bushman ~ Senior Research Scientist for
Lockheed Martin Skunk Works ~

Around 4 years ago his Wiki page was full of info about him and his work and
his patents (of which there are many)

But the page started getting eroded and after his Disclosure Documentary was
released last year a short while after his death ~ it got deleted!!!

Never mind that this was a man (like Mehran Keshe) who contributed such a lot to
Human Affairs ~ all sorts of people who have acheived practically nothing in comparison have pages ~ even though they may be heavily edited pages ~
BUT.....if you are a high achiever but go against the 'orthodoxy' in a major and
influential way ~ you get disappeared from Wiki :/

It's like a handful of influential and popular people get blackballed ~ hmmmmm ~
I wonder who has the power to do this?

I know it's only Wiki but the Internet is the Front Line of the Information 'War' and
Wikipedia is an influential site that usually heads a search list ~

There is a group ... Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia ... who are highly organised
and work to impose their views, using Wiki as a medium ~ how often do they or a
group like them (that isn't so public) go trawling the Internet to police thought and
information ...?...I'm guessing 24/7 ...... obviously :)

http://guerrillaskepticismonwikipedia.blogspot.co.uk/

Mehran Keshe and Boyd Bushman are evidently on 'someone's high priority Hit List ...

A few years ago this picture was on Boyd Bushman's own web site ~



http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/boyd%20bushman/boydbushman_zpsgqhrnt7p.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/boyd%20bushman/boydbushman_zpsgqhrnt7p.jpg.html)


Now....look in the bottom left segment of the picture...

And you will see a coke can TOUCHING a plastic bottle and very close is a roll of
copper wire ~ sound familiar..?

I think Boyd Bushman was trying to give us clues a lot of the time but had to do it
in such a way that he couldn't be 'done' for breaking National Security Oaths ~
when he was near to death though he did his Dislcosure Documentary about 'Aliens'
visiting Earth ~

I think the coke can, plastic bottle and copper wire was to tell us that Mehran Keshe had real technology and I think he (Boyd) also MIGHT have been saying that the USA have also used this kind of technology ... or similar ~
(but secretly and the public had no idea about it)

Look at the way Boyd is sitting, looking down and the way he is holding that book~
I have wondered what book that is....Mitchell? Marshall? dunno....

Anyway ~ I think this picture from Boyd Bushman might be full of clues and that
one of them is confirmation about Keshe Technology ~


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[Nick Matkin]

Now....look in the bottom left segment of the picture...

And you will see a coke can TOUCHING a plastic bottle and very close is a roll of
copper wire ~ sound familiar..?


Or he could have a Tesla Coil there and he likes Coke. I've expaned the picture, but it's not clear enough without some image enhancing software to see clearly what else the coil might be.

I'm sure there is other stuff in the picture of which one could speculate over the significance.

Nick

[jaybee]

I'm sure there is other stuff in the picture of which one could speculate over the significance.

Nick

Yeah like what book that is... it's pretty obvious that it has significance in the picture ~

And as I said I am of the opinion that the coke can, plastic bottle and copper is a deliberate addition to the picture...

for....'reasons'.....:idea:


:)

[Aurelius]

Now....look in the bottom left segment of the picture...

And you will see a coke can TOUCHING a plastic bottle and very close is a roll of
copper wire ~ sound familiar..?


Or he could have a Tesla Coil there and he likes Coke. I've expaned the picture, but it's not clear enough without some image enhancing software to see clearly what else the coil might be.

I'm sure there is other stuff in the picture of which one could speculate over the significance.

Nick

.. i would agree, it appears to be Tesla coil, the visible copper coil = L2 and then sandwiched between the two plexiglass plates at the bottom is L1. it also has the typical discharge ball on top (C2 for L2) and the white insulator under the discharge ball. all being a std tesla coil setup.

if there was Keshe technology in the photo, one would be looking for black coated surfaces (nano), bottles with various types of gans (liquid), reactors (sphere's) and all of these in various geometric configurations (ie. pyramid, sphere, 2d circles, tetrahedron etc.)

[jaybee]

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/boyd%20bushman/boydbushman_zpsgqhrnt7p.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/boyd%20bushman/boydbushman_zpsgqhrnt7p.jpg.html)

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well ~ there is something black above the coke can and something that looks like
a cone or pyramidal shape to the right of the can ~ and above there is a painting
of a ship on the sea ~~~~~ SALT water...? :) and copper is copper :)

It's a pity that the things in the picture can't be seen more easily ~

It is inconceivable that Boyd Bushman didn't take a close interest in Keshe technology ~ he said ~ 'follow the data and be damned' and would be into anything that unconventional scientist worked on ~ like John Hutchison ~ because if he wasn't he wouldn't be doing his job as a senior research scientist ~


.

[jaybee]

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I hadn't heard about the Quantum Energy Generator and HopeGirl before until mentioned a few posts back ~

Just watched this and it is very inspirational ~~~~WOW

We must all be coming into this at the place that is right for us ~
And the inspirational words of HopeGirl could just as easily be applied to the Keshe Foundation ~ there is no competition about who's doing it right or wrong, it's different approaches to the same problem ~

Here's the video I just watched and wanted to share on this thread ~



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What a woman!!! Respect to HopeGirl ~ :flower:


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[Aurelius]

hi everyone .. i've updated post#1 to reflect:

20 Aug 2015 - further release of knowledge (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cxivDcQXMA). Includes:
*use cases and construction techniques for medical devices that cover the treatment of Pain, Alzheimers, Cancer, ALS, remote therapy, organ or limb growth / regeneration & Chemotherapy optimization from 37mins to 2hr5min.
*Scientific reasons why there is aggression in life on earth (2hr59min).
*Discussion with Knowledge Seeker in Malaysia on experimentation and results with medical pens (2hr 15min to 2hr 59min).
*Discussions with independent doctors using the tech to treat cancer (3hr36mins onwards).
*Discussions regarding the principles involved in building your own craft, for low cost, for deep space travel, using technology already discussed / released (no bolts & nuts, rivets or welding etc). Craft is built using mag-grav plasma fields as done in nature ie. human body. (3hr49min onwards)

75th KSW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cxivDcQXMA

[Wide-Eyed]

Hi guys- good stuff , encyclopedic to be sure a very extensive FE program ,system and comprehensive program development what are the realities of Keshe? having success? How do FE experts like Wade Frasier view Keshe and his endeavors and his or foundations plasma technology? Thanks in advance a lot to digest.

[Johnny]

Here is a guy who has made some short videos with some important descriptions of concepts for the understanding of the plasma etc.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmMg9MLqRbgVyYCV22l5CaQ

(If you are using HTML5, you can run it in slow motion)

Johnny :)

[animovado]

I found the "book", jaybee:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=30923&d=1440506720

:bigsmile:

But anyway, I like Boyd Bushman's room....

[jaybee]

I found the "book", jaybee:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=30923&d=1440506720

:bigsmile:

But anyway, I like Boyd Bushman's room....



http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/boyd%20bushman/9243b937-e69f-4275-8723-d1100ac435d4_zpsrqt04myv.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/boyd%20bushman/9243b937-e69f-4275-8723-d1100ac435d4_zpsrqt04myv.jpg.html)


OMG - you could be right - :clapping:

perhaps he is pointing us to Maxwell's work and equations and that's why he's holding his fingers in that funny way over the letters -

Cheers for that - it really could be a video case - when I just saw your post I straight away thought it might have been a hint that he was going to make that disclosure video but I quickly went on to the possibility that it could be a veiled reference to Maxwell -

bloody hell - I have looked many times for books that it might have been - but it does bear a definite likeness to a Maxell video case -

:thumb:


edit to say - I think you ARE right - even the swirls in the green are the same -

well done you and thank you very much for putting me out of my misery about the 'book' .... :)


further edit - from memory - didn't someone kind of take over / nick, Maxwell's equations and make them less potent and his original ones got a bit forgotten.?
or something like that


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[jaybee]

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... thanks for the latest Keshe Foundation Knowledge seeker's workshop, Aurelius - (number 75)

I have started to watch it and gone about 1 1/2 hours into it - what I'm finding with the videos
is that I'm starting some and often not finishing them - but somehow I'm picking up the info I need
to take me further - so that's ok -

At 1:20 I was chuffed to see that by the GANS contraption that that doctor had set up there were
two WHITE little bird ornaments -

so now we've got the white Buddha, white hare, white polar bear and 2 white birds - :D

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[aviators]

I updated post 127 on page 7
Here is Marks 4th update
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[Rocky_Shorz]

this is from a thread here on Avalon from 2012... Keshe was on the UFO reverse engineering project for Iran, his technology brought down a US drone using a tractor beam...


Hi all I am still watching John Lear on the bases seeries i put up the other night in between loads of others..LOL.

Anyway 22 mins in They go over something they were talking about earlier and John points to a model of a ET.
Anti matter reactor and explains how it works, with some pictures ! worth a look... After listening to Davids interview above! Not sure if this is same thing ??

The first 20mins before is about Bob Lazar.......and the rest is good about moon hoax !


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Its like this one....


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Figure 8:
Bob Lazar and Ken Wright Displaying
“Sport Model” Flying Disc
Anti-Matter Reactor Model






[IMG]http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_1.gif[/IMG

Figure 1:
Element 115 Wedge On Top
of Anti-Matter Reactor Model

[IMG]http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_2.gif

Figure 2:
Close-up of Element 115 Wedge On Top
of Anti-Matter Reactor Model

The Figure 1 and Figure 2 photographs, above, show the model of the Matter Anti-Matter Reactor opened up with the Element 115 fuel sitting on top of the conical shaped fuel housing. The Element 115 fuel is machined into a long isosceles triangle shaped wedge with a conical point at the angle adjacent to the two equal length sides of the wedge for use as fuel in the reactor. Recall that in the “Government Scientist Goes Public” article, it was mentioned that the fuel pellets were about the size of a 50 cent piece and weighed about 223 grams. Several pellets are stacked one on top of the other in like manner to stacking the 50 cent pieces in a column just prior to wrapping them in paper. They are fused together in a manner to create a vertical cylinder. That cylinder is cut into a conical shape. The conical shape is sliced vertically at the center of the cone to form the wedged Element 115 fuel element that is installed into the Matter Anti-Matter Reactor. The detailed machining process to produce the Element 115 fuel wedge is provided on the “Element 115” Web Page and on Jon Farhat’s BobLazar.com Website.


http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_3.gif

Figure 3:
Element 115 Wedge Installed
in Anti-Matter Reactor Model

The fuel element is installed into the conical housing of the reactor with the conical pointed top of the isosceles triangle oriented downward into the conical housing as demonstrated in the Figure 3 photograph, above. At this point, the reactor is still shut down.

http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_4.gif

Figure 4:
Capped Anti-Matter Reactor Model

A cylindrical cap is installed onto the top of the conical shaped housing, analogous to installing a bottle cap onto a bottle as indicated by the Figure 4 photograph, above. At this point the reactor energizes. According to Bob Lazar, the reactor provides energy to the ship and to the gravity amplifiers by a matter anti-matter reaction. The square shaped housing below was a type of particle cyclotron accelerator that provides the protons for reacting with Element 115. A detailed physical description of the Matter Anti-Matter Reactor operation is provided in Jon Farhat’s BobLazar.com Website (this Website is a pay site). The protons are directed into the fuel housing through the guide tube shown on the left side of the reactor housing seen in the Figure 4 photo. When Element 115 is bombarded with protons, it becomes Element 116. Element 116 is unstable and gives up anti-protons. The anti-protons are directed downward from the wedge and annihilate when they come in contact with protons and produce energy. Each proton/anti-proton annhiliation reaction generates 1,862 Million Electron Volts (MeV) of energy. One Uraninum-235 fissioning (splitting) in a Nuclear Reactor generates about 200 MeV of energy for comparison purposes. That energy is directly converted into electrical energy through thermo-electric generators that are also located below the reactor in the square housing. There is no measurable gamma, neutron, alpha, or beta radiation emitted from this reactor. It poses no danger to the occupants of the craft.

NOTE:
I will admit that I did not initially understand how an anti–proton is generated from the bombardment of the Element 115 nucleus with a proton. This nuclear reaction is unlike any nuclear reaction that I was familiar with at the time. However, there is Earthly evidence that such a reaction could take place when a super-heavy element such as Element 115 is bombarded with other nuclei (including a proton). Dr. Walter Greiner, Professor of Physics, Institut für Theoretical Physics, Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universität, Frankfurt am Main, has been deeply involved with research in the generation of anti-matter from nuclear collisions with super-heavy elements:


http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_5.gif
Figure 5:
Anti-Matter Reactor
With Hemispherical Dome Installed

When the hemispherical dome is installed over the reactor, the gravitational field can be felt. Bob Lazar described it as if he became a human magnet and he had the same magnetic polarity as the dome of the reactor. Recall that “like poles” of two magnets, either North Pole to North Pole or South Pole to South Pole, repel one another. As he moved toward the dome, he could feel a force attempting to push him away from the reactor. This was the repulsive gravitational field established by the reactor which was amplifying the Strong Nuclear Force of Element 115. Bob Lazar mentioned that he tried to hit the reactor hemispherical shell with a golf ball. When he threw the golf ball at the shell, it would bounce off before even physically striking the surface of the dome. The golf ball appeared to be striking a repulsive force field. Bob Lazar’s description of the observation reminded me of the scene from the movie “Independence Day” where Jeff Goldblum places a coke can on the alien space craft in the underground hanger at Area 51 and has an Air Force Major attempt to shoot the coke can with his pistol and knock it off the craft. In that scene, the protective force field established by the alien craft repelled the bullet and kept it from hitting the coke can.

NOTE:
After I had initially seen the “Government Scientist Goes Public” article, I had thought I understood basically how the Reticulan Anti-Matter Reactor amplified the “Strong Nuclear Force” (gravitational field) of the Element 115 wedge. I had assumed an electric coil existed around the housing containing the Element 115 wedge to establish the magnetic field. Upon discussing the operation of the Anti-Matter Reactor with Bob Lazar and personally observing the assembly of the model of the Anti-Matter Reactor, I became somewhat baffled by the actual physics involved in amplifying the gravitational field of the Element 115 wedge. Bob Lazar and the team he worked with at S4 were never actually able to come up with a full explanation as to how the Anti-Matter Reactor amplified the “Strong Nuclear Force” of Element 115. While at S4, Bob Lazar observed that an actual wedge of Element 115 bent light around it,indicating it was “radiating” a strong gravitational field. As one can see from Figures 6 and 7, below, there is no observable coil or core plates around the Anti-Matter Reactor as there are for the gravity amplifiers used for “Space-Time Compression.” I had the opportunity to talk to Al Bielek in Mid February 2001. Al Bielek claims to have been involved with both the “Philadelphia Experiment” and the “Montauk Project.” Al Bielek told me of his experience working with Dr. Edward Teller, the father of the Hydrogen Bomb. He mentioned that during one of the United States underground nuclear bomb tests, detectors were used to measure the time of propagation of the electromagnetic field pulse produced by the blast. The pulse was expected to propagate at the speed of light. The electromagnetic field was measured to propagate instantaneously, apparently violating Dr. Einstein’s Special Relativity theory. He also mentioned to me that a major reason for the Soviets stopping their thermonuclear bomb testing was because they had actually "opened a door to another dimension" after having detonated a 100 Megaton Warhead. It appears that a nuclear reaction, that is, the energy liberated from a nuclear reaction, can amplify a gravitational field and compress "Space-Time." Therefore, the proton/anti-proton annihilation reaction that takes place within the Reticulan Anti-Matter Reactor provides the electromagnetic field and power to amplify the gravitational field from the Element 115 wedge. A current carrying conductor coil wrapped around the housing for the Element 115 wedge is not necessary. It should be noted that the number of UFO sightings rose dramatically in the mid to late 1940s and afterward when man started detonating nuclear weapons on Earth. Perhaps the reason for the significant increase in UFO sightings was because the nuclear detonations resulted in significant distortions in Space-Time. These Space-Time distortions may have been detected by alien races dwelling several light-years to several hundred light-years from our solar system.






http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/Anti-Matter_Reactor.gif
Figure 6:
Anti-Matter Reactor
With Waveguide



http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/Blowup_Cutaway_Sport_Model.gifFigure 7:

Cutaway of “Sport Model” Flying Disc
With Anti-Matter Reactor
and Gravity Amplifiers


A waveguide is, then, installed at the top of the hemisperical dome and extends upward through the inside of the craft to the top of the sport model and extends a bit beyond the top of the hull as if it were an antenna. When the waveguide is installed, the repulsive gravitational field disappears in the vicinity of the dome. The waveguide directs the gravity waves upward. The actual Reactor is about three times the size of this model. Bob Lazar stated the hemispherical dome was about the size of a basketball or medicine ball.

All structures and supports aboard the craft are rounded. The only “sharp corner” on the craft is the horizontal edge of the disc on the outside. The design of the crafts structural archways are all rounded and appear to be installed as gravity waveguides as well as for structural support. All equipment in the craft was installed simplistically and for its specific function. There appeared to be no superfluous equipment or items installed for aesthetics. The craft was a perfectly designed machine. Essentially everything installed in the craft was one color, the metallic silver color, with the exception of the core plates and the core plate insulating material in the gravity amplifiers.

Unfortunately for we Earthlings, Element 115 is not readily available here and it does not appear that we will be able to develop a manufacturing process, that is, some nuclear reaction, that will be able to produce Element 115 in any appreciable quantities. Currently, the only apparent way to get this exotic fuel is by contact with extraterrestrials or obtaining it from a downed alien spacecraft. If we are to succeed in developing interstellar space travel, we will have to find a means to produce gravitational field propulsion using elements readily available here on Earth for us. It will be a significant challenge, but I believe we can succeed in this endeavor.

There may very well be a material on Earth that can produce the gravity field in like manner to Element 115. That material is the Element Bismuth (83Bi209) which is usually found mixed with Lead ore. Bismuth is currently used as the replacement for Lead shot in shotgun shells because it is non-toxic. Bismuth has a very similar nuclear configuration as the elusive Element 115. Element 115 has one lone proton in the 8th Energy Level and Bismuth has one lone proton in the 7th Energy Level. The lone proton in the outer energy level for Element 115 and Bismuth make it easier to access the “Strong Nuclear Force” of those elements for amplification. Refer to my “Nuclear Gravitation Field Theory” Chapter XI, “Properties of the Strong Nuclear Force, Nuclear Properties of Bismuth, and the Nuclear Gravitation Field Theory” for the explanation of the physics of the “Strong Nuclear Force” of Bismuth and Element 115. Element 115 has a full complement of neutrons filling 8 Energy Levels. Bismuth has a full complement of neutrons filling 7 Energy Levels. Henry William Wallace patented a mechanical device that can generate a secondary gravitational force field using a rotating Bismuth disc on December 14, 1971. The U.S. Patent Number is 3,626,605 and the title is “Method and Apparatus for Generating a Secondary Gravitational Force Field.” Henry William Wallace’s Patent provides the physical evidence that Earthbound materials are available to support development of a spacecraft used for interstellar space travel. Henry William Wallace’s Patent provides the physical evidence giving credibility to Bob Lazar’s claims about Element 115 being used as the gravity source aboard extraterrestrial spacecraft. If we can provide a power source that can generate the power equivalent to the Reticulan Anti-Matter Reactor and provide the electro-magnetic field required to amplify the “Strong Nuclear Force” of Bismuth, we may be able to generate a linear gravitational field just as the “Sport Model” Flying Disc and perform macroscopic “Space-Time Compression” to travel to the stars just as the Reticulan race currently does.


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" I hope it is this one after copying out all this ..LOL...

http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Anti-Matter_Reactor.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY5aSgBVsPo

this caught my attention after having a UFO stop in front of my old house off 78 in Carlsbad, thought it might be Keshe seeing if I was ready to join him... it was open in a tab the following morning, I didn't open it...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr4cn3Svz-0

at 23:00 in you will see the anti gravity device Hitler was experimenting on for the 3rd Reich

now look at Keshe's Star formation reactor... look familiar?

http://www.keshefoundation.org/mmexport1435583240257.jpg

[Aurelius]

this is from a thread here on Avalon from 2012... Keshe was on the UFO reverse engineering project for Iran, his technology brought down a US drone using a tractor beam...



Rocky .. can you pls give me a reference where you find this "Keshe was on the UFO reverse engineering project for Iran" ? .. is it in one of the videos you embedded? .. as i don't see it in the text you pasted.

[aranuk]

this is from a thread here on Avalon from 2012... Keshe was on the UFO reverse engineering project for Iran, his technology brought down a US drone using a tractor beam...



Rocky .. can you pls give me a reference where you find this "Keshe was on the UFO reverse engineering project for Iran" ? .. is it in one of the videos you embedded? .. as i don't see it in the text you pasted.

Hi Aurelius, I watched the video Rocky posted above called Hangar One. In it a Jeremy Ray Mufon S.T.A.R. Team Investigator said that "Our experts say" that the 2004 UFO crash in Iran was re-engineered by Iranian Government and that technology was used by Keshe to capture the US drone. Whoever the "experts " were is unlear. He may have meant Mufon experts or maybe Government experts. Anyone's guess.

Stan

[Johnny]

76th Knowledge Seekers Workshop Aug 27 2015

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Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

this is from a thread here on Avalon from 2012... Keshe was on the UFO reverse engineering project for Iran, his technology brought down a US drone using a tractor beam...



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Hi Aurelius, I watched the video Rocky posted above called Hangar One. In it a Jeremy Ray Mufon S.T.A.R. Team Investigator said that "Our experts say" that the 2004 UFO crash in Iran was re-engineered by Iranian Government and that technology was used by Keshe to capture the US drone. Whoever the "experts " were is unlear. He may have meant Mufon experts or maybe Government experts. Anyone's guess.

Stan

... Rocky, i think it's about time you spent some effort in trying to understand the technology. It has very little to do with "tractor beams". This is somewhat akin to a jet engine working by making "wind". It's not quite correct.

.. Stan, in the documentary, MUFON claims a number of crashes in the middle east. However, Mr Keshe has been working on this technology for "at least" 25 years. But hey-ho, we need to keep an open mind, one never knows.

[jaybee]

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This is the link to the paper referred to at the start of the 76th Knowledge Seekers
Workshop August 27th 2015 (post 335)


http://pubs.acs.org/doi/ipdf/10.1021/acs.nanolett.5b02427


At the beginning of the 76th KSW Mehran Keshe is saying that this is the same technology that he has been working with and sharing for years ~ there has even been a CO2 capture kit available (for those who don't want to make their own) for quite a while ~


And so it seems that the team from Washington University are a bit behind the times ~ and Mehran has informed all the Keshe Foundation Family about what's going on so they (we) can get in touch with the University and the people who think they are the first to do it (and the BBC, who have publicised the paper) and tell them that the CO2 capture nano technology is already in the public domain and belongs to everyone ...

Because, unlike the Keshe Foundation, who freely shares, they will be trying to patent it all ~


They are using different terminology but the basics are the same and it is all described in such a way to make it all sound dead complicated ~ BUT ~ Mehran is saying that this is the scientific back up that proves what everyone is doing and experimenting with is real and has now been confirmed by the establishment ~

They (the Washington University team) are saying how expensive it is to create a few grams ~ so now they will be informed how inexpensive it is to create buckets of the stuff :clapping: ..


Looks like orthodox science/chemistry is catching up with the Keshe Foundation ~ in an open and public fashion that is ~ as it could have been used secretly by the military and some others? for a while ~ although they might have nicked the idea off Keshe in the first place ????


Anyway ~ an interesting development


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[Aurelius]

Keshe 77th KSW (http://livestream.com/accounts/14955272/kesheteachings) summary:
(video in the process of being uploaded to youtube)

12min - discussion regarding progress of the power pack devices
??min - the reason why mercury has an adverse effect on human health. whether it be deployed in a vaccination such as MMR etc.
21min - discussion with Tom from Dominica and disasters effecting the region as a result of Erica (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1209433/Tropical-Storm-Erica-Terrifying-flash-floods-Dominica.html). KF pledge to help.
1hr 5mins - Mr Keshe talks about the coming earth changes. Not a pretty picture & imminent !!

tbc

[animovado]

Keshe 77th KSW (http://livestream.com/accounts/14955272/kesheteachings) summary:
(video in the process of being uploaded to youtube)

12min - discussion regarding progress of the power pack devices
21min - discussion with Tom from Dominica and disasters effecting the region as a result of Erica (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1209433/Tropical-Storm-Erica-Terrifying-flash-floods-Dominica.html). KF pledge to help.
1hr 5mins - Mr Keshe talks about the coming earth changes. Not a pretty picture & imminent !!
tbc

Aurelius, have you ever heard any predictions like that before from M.Keshe?

[Johnny]

How you can create a starcraft....

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Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

Aurelius, have you ever heard any predictions like that before from M.Keshe?

Mr Keshe does talk about how things will be in the future ie. the first few attempts at going into space may not be successful (casualties), largely due to inexperience. the physical body (human body), when in space, will change over time due to it interacting with different fields. if humans re-located to another planet albeit Mars or planet Zeus, a very different type of physiology may be better suited to the conditions, to find it easier to exist in the new environment, due to the mag-grav fields (mix & strength) being different to that of earth. Most of his predictions are along this vein.

The only Mr Keshe, earth-change related predictions that i'm aware of, include this recent one (tectonic plate movement) and an "end of world" type scenario (2-23 yrs). The latter being to do with our solar system being located towards the outer extremities of the arm of this galaxy. things start "bumping into each other", due to plasmatic envelope pressure. the plasmatic interaction of our solar system, with our "sister solar" system, cause things to happen. our "sister solar system" appears to be larger so it would dictate.

Personally, I listen, but don't let it effect / rule my life. Mr Keshe could be wrong on his understanding, timing, what could happen & how things might happen.

In summary: pls do put in the time & effort to master the knowledge, understand it, play with it, master it.

[Johnny]

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Remember tomorrow 10. September at 0900 CET there will properly be another workshop.

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

From Keshe Foundation: The 77th Knowledge Seekers Workshop has been temporarily removed as we re-edit it for a possible copyright violation.

If you did not saw The 78th Knowledge Seekers Workshop to day, you have something to look forward to :star:

Johnny :)

[jaybee]

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Thanks for the reminder Johnny ~

I just watched it (78th) live on 'Live Stream' - got the link for it from the Keshe Foundation Forum ~

That was my first time taking part 'live' and it was good - and fun to take part in the chat ~

Some very good info in it and I will actually need to watch it again I think, because what
with trying to take it all in and reading and talking on the chat ~ ~ phew ~

There was some good stuff about seeds and growing crops and health things and OMG just soooooo much ~ :clapping: :pop2:


edit ~ lol Johnny ~ we must have been writing our posts more or less at the same time :)


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[Johnny]

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Some very good info in it and I will actually need to watch it again I think, because what
with trying to take it all in and reading and talking on the chat ~ ~ phew ~

There was some good stuff about seeds and growing crops and health things and OMG just soooooo much ~ :clapping: :pop2:


edit ~ lol Johnny ~ we must have been writing our posts more or less at the same time :)


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So, you must decide for yourself whether you want to chat or listen and watch :ROFL:

Cheers Johnny :)

[jaybee]

So, you must decide for yourself whether you want to chat or listen and watch :ROFL:

Cheers Johnny :)

haha

It was good to chat with others ~ real time ~ who are on the same exciting journey and a lot of the time I managed to do a bit of both ~ but I WILL need to look at it again because I must have missed some of it ~ :)

[jaybee]

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@Erich ~ do you think if I nano coated a piece of copper pipe then stuck it onto the watering can ....would be a good idea?

or used GANS in some way ....

re what you said during livestream...


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[Johnny]

So, you must decide for yourself whether you want to chat or listen and watch :ROFL:

Cheers Johnny :)

haha

It was good to chat with others ~ real time ~ who are on the same exciting journey and a lot of the time I managed to do a bit of both ~ but I WILL need to look at it again because I must have missed some of it ~ :)

When chatting I will never have time to get my reading glasses to see it, so I have it very easy :inlove:

Johnny :)

[jaybee]

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Livestream link here on the Keshe Foundation Forum for anyone who's interested ~

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/42871-78th-knowledge-seekers-workshop-to-be-held-on-thursday-september-10th-2015


can't believe that workshop was so long ~ the time went quite quickly ~

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[aranuk]

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Livestream link here on the Keshe Foundation Forum for anyone who's interested ~

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/42871-78th-knowledge-seekers-workshop-to-be-held-on-thursday-september-10th-2015


can't believe that workshop was so long ~ the time went quite quickly ~

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Jayne, I was blown away watching it today. Forget about the first 30 mins. after that amazing stuff. Mankind has the means now to be free of the shackles of the system we grew up in. Our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren will be the benefactors of Mr Keshe and his unselfish gift to humanity! We know how to create energy, food, health, transport/motion and all the rest we would wish for.

Stan

[jaybee]

Jayne, I was blown away watching it today. Forget about the first 30 mins. after that amazing stuff. Mankind has the means now to be free of the shackles of the system we grew up in. Our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren will be the benefactors of Mr Keshe and his unselfish gift to humanity! We know how to create energy, food, health, transport/motion and all the rest we would wish for.

Stan


:thumb:


I agree, and do think that this is the technology of the future and we are at the beginning of it all at the moment ~ and one day it will be as influential and widespread as electricity is now ~

but because it is so radical and revolutionary it won't happen really quickly because it is a whole different ball game in regards to economics and employment~


I saw this on the Face Book group... about the Oasis Project...


http://www.keshefoundation.org/pdfs/water.pdf


It’s every mans right to have access to water, electricity and food.
Today 1.6 billion people haven’t electricity. Millions drink dirty water, and
millions have no or little warmth in their shelter.
With the Oasis project we plan to give every man a chance to have access to
clean water, electricity and warmth within his own environment, at little cost.
We can do that through new developments in plasma reactor technology. A
self-sustaining plasma reactor, designed by nuclear physicist M.T. Keshe, is the
heart of a special energy/water supply system, which converts - in any environment
- air or dirty water into drinking water, and where the system can provide
light, heat and electricity, at no extra cost, and for a long duration (i.e. five years).


The Oasis Unit is a small, omni-functional, portable unit that will provide day
and night - independently from any other power source - basic commodities in
areas or locations with urgent needs. A Oasis device can be made in different
sizes (i.e. for public access or use), and may have modular extensions (i.e. kitchen
steam unit, connectors for tubes and inflatables, deep freeze unit, etc. ).
The output(s) of the Oasis unit will influence health and social life, and will
activate the development of local economy, agriculture and trade. Small industrial
machinery can be powered by a Oasis unit, and access to electricity will
provide access to electronic devices and communication means, which will
facilitate distance education and promote human knowledge.

Small sized Keshe Oasis units -
the size of a suitcase - will
provide current, water, light
and warmth in refugee camps,
hospitals and disaster areas.
Organizations like the UN, the
Red Cross and NGO’s may
distribute and use Oasis units.
Governments can include
these versatile units in their
proper social and economic
programs and policy.


there are diagrams on the link ~ and I hope the day will come soon when a demonstration will be done for the public to see (if one hasn't been done already off the internet?)


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[jaybee]

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The 79th Knowledge Seekers Workshop from September 17th has been put on YT -


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:thumb:


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[Johnny]

Just a reminder :)

80th Knowledge Seekers Workshop to be Thursday September 24, 2015, 09.00 CET

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/43346-80th-knowledge-seekers-workshop-to-be-thursday-september-24-2015

I hope the connection will be better than last Thursday, I was first able to connect close to 11.00


Johnny :)

[jaybee]

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cheers Johnny -

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/43346-80th-knowledge-seekers-workshop-to-be-thursday-september-24-2015


The 80th Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be held on Thursday September 24th, 2015, starting at 9:00 am CET Euro time (12 midnight Pacific time Weds Sept 23th ).

- Mr Keshe will show the final prototype of the Keshe Foundation Power Unit.
- News about World Peace Conference of 16th October.
- Alexz will show how to "feed the masses".

hope the connections and sound goes ok.....

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[jaybee]

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well it's finished now ....not sure if it started a bit earlier than scheduled.

I like tuning into the live workshops and the Chat is fun :)

Mr Keshe was funny at the end with the Plasma Power unit in a ladies cosmetic/toiletry bag having a joke and mimicking walking with it down the street and no one guessing what it was...( you had to be there)

:)

edit to add...the connection and sound was pretty good - mostly very good

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[Johnny]

Everything went fine this time :) No it started right on time !

So, the 16. October, a bit more than 3 weeks, that will be interesting.

Cheers Johnny :)

[jaybee]

Everything went fine this time :) No it started right on time !

So, the 16. October, a bit more than 3 weeks, that will be interesting.

Cheers Johnny :)

I must have been a bit late then :)

The 16th Oct was the Peace conference in Rome wasn't it..?

Don't think I will be able to make it for a couple of reasons but I bet it will be a very interesting event...

:thumb:

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[Johnny]

I must have been a bit late then :)

The 16th Oct was the Peace conference in Rome wasn't it..?

:thumb:

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Not only that, but all the ambassadors who attend, will be given a power unit, and there will be given a number of units to the people outside the meeting place (I'm not quite sure if he mentioned the number).

All ordered units will be shipped.

Johnny :)

[jaybee]

I must have been a bit late then :)

The 16th Oct was the Peace conference in Rome wasn't it..?

:thumb:

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Not only that, but all the ambassadors who attend, will be given a power unit, and there will be given a number of units to the people outside the meeting place (I'm not quite sure if he mentioned the number).

All ordered units will be shipped.

Johnny :)

wow ...that is a big step forward (I must have missed that making a cup of tea or something)

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[Johnny]

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wow ...that is a big step forward (I must have missed that making a cup of tea or something)

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Or been chatting :star:

Johnny :)

[jaybee]

Or been chatting :star:

Johnny :)

haha - :idea: yes or that - some interesting points came up in chat like if we get our nutrients in the future from plasma --- the magnetic gravitaional fields -- - do we, or do we want to, eat solid food any more.. ? (along those lines)

I remember hearing before that Alekz has said that with all the GANS etc around in his house - he and his family hardly feel hungry now and don't eat as much..!

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[Johnny]

Yes, it could also be a 'problem' for me, because I really enjoy eating good food. Mainly I only eat once a day, except when I travel, I enjoy English breakfast, but I can eat English breakfast at any time of day.

The best scrambled eggs I've had was in Bosnia, believe it or not !

Johnny :)

[jaybee]

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yes even if at some time in the future we can get the essential nutrients we need from 'plasma fields' - I think eating something nice will still be a pleasure and not something everyone will want to give up - not straight away anyway -

I too eat English breakfast any time of the day - in fact you have made me want to have it now - so I will for my dinner -

The eggs come from my Mom's chickens who have the run of her big garden so they are very nice eggs..

:flower:


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[Johnny]

The scrambled eggs in Bosnia (we where only at that hotel one night) here is have I think they made it. Fry some bacon cubes (1 * ½ cm) in a pot or pan. Take them out and make the scrambled eggs in the same pot or pan then

add the bacon again and turn it around. Our 'main hotel' did not know how to make English breakfast, but we got some great omelets, with cheese, ham, onions and fresh cucumber slices.

good appetite ;)

Johnny :)

[Nick Matkin]

Not only that, but all the ambassadors who attend, will be given a power unit, and there will be given a number of units to the people outside the meeting place (I'm not quite sure if he mentioned the number).



Just so that I (and others) have got this right, Keshe gave away real working devices? If so this is obviously important because some of those would surely be taken to labs for assessment. Maybe that is the point.

Is it known exactly what was given away, what the devices were capable of? Or have I completely misunderstood the statement?

Thanks

[Johnny]

Not only that, but all the ambassadors who attend, will be given a power unit, and there will be given a number of units to the people outside the meeting place (I'm not quite sure if he mentioned the number).



Just so that I (and others) have got this right, Keshe gave away real working devices? If so this is obviously important because some of those would surely be taken to labs for assessment. Maybe that is the point.

Is it known exactly what was given away, what the devices were capable of? Or have I completely misunderstood the statement?

Thanks

No, except that he did not give anything away yet (to my knowledge), but will give it away the 16. October.

Johnny :)

Edit: And as he said, when they open it, they will not understand it, at all !!

[Nick Matkin]

No, except that he did not give anything away yet (to my knowledge), but will give it away the 16. October.

Johnny :)

Edit: And as he said, when they open it, they will not understand it, at all !!

Where on 16 October will he give these devices away and to whom?

If he thinks 'they' will not understand how it works, I suspect he is underestimating their powers of investigation. There are some pretty smart cookies out there. And anyway, he's been making videos for years. Surely 'they' can get some clues by watching them...

I await impatiently for a few of these to be released on 16 October. I'm assuming the MSM won't be there in swarms to report the event, so how will we know when this has been achieved? Are the new owners likely to want to report the effectiveness of these devices and how they are putting them to use?

What I'd really like is to see a couple sent to independent labs for some test results...

Thanks.

[Johnny]

[QUOTE=Johnny;1002512]

No, except that he did not give anything away yet (to my knowledge), but will give it away the 16. October.

Johnny :)

Edit: And as he said, when they open it, they will not understand it, at all !!

First to be skeptical is a good thing !!!


Where on 16 October will he give these devices away and to whom?

At a hotel in Rome where the meetings with the ambassadors will be held, he did not say what hotel. They will be given to the ambassadors who attend, and to random people outside the hotel (as I understood it).


If he thinks 'they' will not understand how it works, I suspect he is underestimating their powers of investigation. There are some pretty smart cookies out there. And anyway, he's been making videos for years. Surely 'they' can get some clues by watching them... To get some clues need not be the same as understanding it, as Keshe said, the units will be too simple for them to understand. Of cause as time goes, it will every mans understanding.


I await impatiently for a few of these to be released on 16 October. I'm assuming the MSM won't be there in swarms to report the event, so how will we know when this has been achieved?

Me too :) About the MSM, one never knows. Things go fast now a days (Look eg. at Volkswagen). I can read lots of things on the Internet about what happen in the world, which will never be published in Denmark.

When did you last read anything about what happen in Denmark ??


Are the new owners likely to want to report the effectiveness of these devices and how they are putting them to use?

Of cause, but the question is WHEN !!


What I'd really like is to see a couple sent to independent labs for some test results...

Who do do you think own those 'independent labs' ?? Remember the concept is open source, 'they' can not make any patents of it. !!!


Thanks.

You're welcome.


Johnny :)

[jaybee]

At a hotel in Rome where the meetings with the ambassadors will be held, he did not say what hotel. They will be given to the ambassadors who attend, and to random people outside the hotel (as I understood it).



wow...I mised that about the 'random people outside the hotel'...

(must have been distracted by the chat at that precise moment :Angel:)

Now from what I have seen over the last few years...on and off - getting the knowledge and technology out into the public arena has been a bit of a cat and mouse affair - so It will be fascinating to see how all this progresses -

In the last workshop I recall Keshe saying he had been working on it for 40 years and it took a couple of years to plan this final? phase -

It's a HUGE project...

And so radical and revolutionary that it is bound to be met with some stiff opposition - not that similar tech isn't elsewhere?...maybe..but in secret - I still think the photo that I shared of Boyd Bushman gave clues to that...but Mehran Keshe is letting the public in on his stuff...and consequently there has been an explosion of creative activity and research/inventions all over the world linked to the Keshe Foundation...

He wants everyone to pick up the baton and run with it - and at the moment we have no idea where it will all lead...but it's all very stimulating and hopefully has real possibilities of helping to make a better world...

I know you 'get it' Johnny, I'm just typing aloud....:)

But IMO all this is nothing less than a new dawn, paradigm shift type thingy... :clapping:

that will take a bit of time to bed in...but to me seems to be the natural path...?

maybe it's all going to fit in nicely with the move into the Age of Aquarius....

mmmm I feel a song coming on...guess which one haha


:bigsmile:


kjxSCAalsBE


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[Johnny]

kjxSCAalsBE


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The song brought me back to when I was 23 years old :flower:power magnificent song :)

The Danish Swedish television detective series 'The Bridge' has just began on the third season. To day I was looking for the theme song on YouTube and I found it in this beautiful video. There is a bit plasma over it I think.

Do I have plasma on the brain ? No no, not at all (lol), but also the lines:


And then you cut
You cut it up
And everything .... goes back to the beginning

It is so beautiful (imo) And the birds ...... see for your self

Vy7yuj-UrNI

I read your posts on 'the other thread' :muscle:

Cheers Johnny :)

[jaybee]

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That WAS beautiful, Johnny...and spectacular. cheers

I have a few starlings visit my garden and they are so full of life and full of themselves - when they have a bath in the birdbath the water splashes high in the air and I have to replace what's left of the water about three times a day -


Plasma on the brain? You? ....(me?)...:p

Never mind plasma on the brain it looks like everything including our brains is a kind of precipitated GANS...plasma (light)

????

:idea: :flower: :ROFL:

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[Johnny]

Everything is plasma, some are matter some are not !

edit: except consciousness :)

Do you think we have lost Stan and Aurelius and we now are 'alone' in the world ??

Johnny :)

[jaybee]

Everything is plasma, some are matter some are not !

edit: except consciousness :)

Do you think we have lost Stan and Aurelius and we now are 'alone' in the world ??

Johnny :)


consciousness - the great mystery behind all great mysteries :inlove:

although - I have come across the concept of thought having mass and I think that is interesting and could go some way to scientifically explaining telepathy etc.

just a teeny weeny weeny weeny bit of mass

perhaps that's what anchors consciousness to the body though ? ~

just a thought :Angel:

yes I think we are alone at the moment but I'm sure all the others are lurking around somewhere close :grouphug:

'all the others' being the half dozen or so who have shown a real interest :ROFL:

edit to add.... and there's Nick of course, me you and Nick : )


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latest on my experiments ~ I've made Marigold flower GANS and Nasturtium flower GANS using flowers instead of metal in the pot with the nano coated copper wire -

will get some pics for this thread sorted soon

I was inspired to try flowers after someone in the Golden Age of GANS group was doing a Parsley experiment :)

I have an idea of doing an experiment using the GANS and the GANS water with seeds in some way - to see how a treated seed gets on compared to an untreated seed :flower:

I'm not the only one thinking along these lines - many others are getting into applying the plasma/light tech to experiments with crops and plants on large and small scales...

just started doing a pot with a hazel leaf in - it hasn't kicked off yet but I have put a different shape of n/c copper wire with the leaf and I have a feeling that a simple spiral coil (ie created by wrapping the wire around a pencil) is working best for me at the moment - so will have to see how the hazel leaf GANS gets on

I also want to do a Ash tree leaf GANS as the Ash Tree has a problem with that fungal disease, 'Die Back' and is even said to be facing extinction over time, which is a horrible thought - not sure what I would do with it yet - perhaps put some next to local Ash Trees to help support them ~~~ ?


... GANS = gas at nano state (for anyone new to the subject)


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[Johnny]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


latest on my experiments ~ I've made Marigold flower GANS and Nasturtium flower GANS using flowers instead of metal in the pot with the nano coated copper wire -

will get some pics for this thread sorted soon

I was inspired to try flowers after someone in the Golden Age of GANS group was doing a Parsley experiment :)

I have an idea of doing an experiment using the GANS and the GANS water with seeds in some way - to see how a treated seed gets on compared to an untreated seed :flower:

I'm not the only one thinking along these lines - many others are getting into applying the plasma/light tech to experiments with crops and plants on large and small scales...

just started doing a pot with a hazel leaf in - it hasn't kicked off yet but I have put a different shape of n/c copper wire with the leaf and I have a feeling that a simple spiral coil (ie created by wrapping the wire around a pencil) is working best for me at the moment - so will have to see how the hazel leaf GANS gets on

I also want to do a Ash tree leaf GANS as the Ash Tree has a problem with that fungal disease, 'Die Back' and is even said to be facing extinction over time, which is a horrible thought - not sure what I would do with it yet - perhaps put some next to local Ash Trees to help support them ~~~ ?


... GANS = gas at nano state (for anyone new to the subject)


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It sounds very interesting. I do not think the ash trees will be facing extinction. Some years ago we had in Denmark disease of linden trees, and many of them went out and others were just cut down, but I think the disease is gone now.

Remember to morrow at 09.00 CET 81th Knowledge Seekers Workshop. They have not announced it yet, but I think it will come.

Johnny :)

PS: Your thoughts about consciousness has a future :highfive:

[aranuk]

Everything is plasma, some are matter some are not !

edit: except consciousness :)

Do you think we have lost Stan and Aurelius and we now are 'alone' in the world ??

Johnny :)

We are so busy nano coating copper plates and copper wires. I have nano coated a copper plate and several copper wires which have all gone black. Just about to go to shop to buy salt for the gans of CO2 production, so I'm now catching up with you guys or as Mr K says "you lot". I am excited beyond belief with all this! I am getting some strange looks from friends when I am trying to explain what I am doing.I have also been very busy moving house. I have put lots of pictures on walls and all the odd jobs to take care off. Actually at present I am walking about in a trance like state with all the changes in the last two months. I am wondering if I will ever be the same again.
I will report my discoveries as they occur.

Stan

[aranuk]

Everything is plasma, some are matter some are not !

edit: except consciousness :)

Do you think we have lost Stan and Aurelius and we now are 'alone' in the world ??

Johnny :)


consciousness - the great mystery behind all great mysteries :inlove:

although - I have come across the concept of thought having mass and I think that is interesting and could go some way to scientifically explaining telepathy etc.

just a teeny weeny weeny weeny bit of mass

perhaps that's what anchors consciousness to the body though ? ~

just a thought :Angel:

yes I think we are alone at the moment but I'm sure all the others are lurking around somewhere close :grouphug:

'all the others' being the half dozen or so who have shown a real interest :ROFL:

edit to add.... and there's Nick of course, me you and Nick : )


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


latest on my experiments ~ I've made Marigold flower GANS and Nasturtium flower GANS using flowers instead of metal in the pot with the nano coated copper wire -

will get some pics for this thread sorted soon

I was inspired to try flowers after someone in the Golden Age of GANS group was doing a Parsley experiment :)

I have an idea of doing an experiment using the GANS and the GANS water with seeds in some way - to see how a treated seed gets on compared to an untreated seed :flower:

I'm not the only one thinking along these lines - many others are getting into applying the plasma/light tech to experiments with crops and plants on large and small scales...

just started doing a pot with a hazel leaf in - it hasn't kicked off yet but I have put a different shape of n/c copper wire with the leaf and I have a feeling that a simple spiral coil (ie created by wrapping the wire around a pencil) is working best for me at the moment - so will have to see how the hazel leaf GANS gets on

I also want to do a Ash tree leaf GANS as the Ash Tree has a problem with that fungal disease, 'Die Back' and is even said to be facing extinction over time, which is a horrible thought - not sure what I would do with it yet - perhaps put some next to local Ash Trees to help support them ~~~ ?


... GANS = gas at nano state (for anyone new to the subject)


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Hi Jayne, did you have any trouble nano coating the copper plate? Did you succeed first attempt. I didn't. I had two copper plates cut from the same sheet at an engineering supplier near my home. I peeled off a transparent slightly blue film of polythene and put them both into the caustic tub. Two days later they didn't change colour. I thought to myself this is strange , I did as the teaching said to the smallest detail. So I open the containers and saw the plastic films on both plates on the underside coming off. I foolishly didn't realise there were plastic covering on both sides of the plates! Silly Billy me. On my second attempt, I had a copper plate in each plastic tub poured in caustic flakes into both and poured the boiling water into the tubs and after 2 days one plate went dark but not black and the other one stayed copper shining bright. I then thought that perhaps I poured less amount of caustic in the one that didn't work. After the steaming process I now have a black nano coated plate and another one I will start steaming shortly.

End of report:p

Stan

[Aurelius]

<snip>

If he thinks 'they' will not understand how it works, I suspect he is underestimating their powers of investigation. . There are some pretty smart cookies out there. And anyway, he's been making videos for years. Surely 'they' can get some clues by watching them...

I await impatiently for a few of these to be released on 16 October. I'm assuming the MSM won't be there in swarms to report the event, so how will we know when this has been achieved? Are the new owners likely to want to report the effectiveness of these devices and how they are putting them to use?

What I'd really like is to see a couple sent to independent labs for some test results...

Thanks.

Nick, if one HAS NOT put in the time and effort to understand plasma tech, when you have the device (the plasma power supply) in your hands, in a way, it will be similar to what is described here (https://youtu.be/iezJY74GsX8?t=565) (9min 28sec - 11min 14sec .. Bob is actually describing a plasma power unit, he just doesn't understand it). You will think it is complete nonsense & hot smoke. Those that understand plasma tech, will find what Bob is describing makes sense and will also figure out what to do with the Keshe plasma power supply.

I would love to see a traditional lab, with no understanding in plasma tech, testing such a device when given to them (in pieces)! It would be no different to giving them the device Bob describes (in pieces). You need to know what to do with it & if you're looking for electron flow, you'll be looking for a very long time. Day1 (16 Oct 2015) when you get the plasma power supply, Mr Keshe will most likely NOT show how to use it fully. If my suspicions are correct, understanding how Keshe does things & his strategy, he'll save the "idiots guide" for various applications / uses for Day2 or later. Most likely he will wait for Knowledge Seekers to disclose various uses at various points in time. ie. water creation, heating, energy, flight, material production etc. I guess in your case, you'll need to hang around till then, then you'll see something that you'll regard as tangible.

I suspect many people on Day1 (16 Oct 2015) will feel let-down & disappointed. A "power supply" that has a pipe with liquid in it, that generates energy, what crazy irrational nonsense is this ??? !!! .. this is mostly likely what will be said. The next step after the Plasma PSU will be nothing tangible, an empty box, i'm sure the sceptics will have a field day with that one.

Day2 and later, when people see the device doing something, then believe it as a consequence of seeing something, even-though they have no understanding of how it works, then they'll describe it, in a manner, no different to how Bob did. THEN the house of cards (http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Energy_Issue.htm) comes tumbling down ...

[jaybee]

Hi Jayne, did you have any trouble nano coating the copper plate? Did you succeed first attempt. I didn't. I had two copper plates cut from the same sheet at an engineering supplier near my home. I peeled off a transparent slightly blue film of polythene and put them both into the caustic tub. Two days later they didn't change colour. I thought to myself this is strange , I did as the teaching said to the smallest detail. So I open the containers and saw the plastic films on both plates on the underside coming off. I foolishly didn't realise there were plastic covering on both sides of the plates! Silly Billy me. On my second attempt, I had a copper plate in each plastic tub poured in caustic flakes into both and poured the boiling water into the tubs and after 2 days one plate went dark but not black and the other one stayed copper shining bright. I then thought that perhaps I poured less amount of caustic in the one that didn't work. After the steaming process I now have a black nano coated plate and another one I will start steaming shortly.

End of report:p

Stan


thank you very much Stan ~ your report has been filed in an imaginary filing cabinet, in an imaginary office, on an imaginary planet ~ :p


Yaaaaay...you've had the time to get started... :dancing:

I haven't tried to nano coat a copper plate yet ~ I've just been doing stuff in smaller tubs at the moment and using nano coated copper wire -

I remember the thrill when the first lot went black...

I have been doing a 24 hour soak in caustic soda + boiling water -- then a 24 hour steam (copper wire on a mesh base with boiling water added to caustic soda - -below the mesh) then another steam or two if I felt like it...

I haven't tried the cold caustic method yet..

The first time I did it a bit of wire was sticking up out of the first stage caustic bath and this had gone black while the rest that was submerged had gone all shiny and bright..

It's good fun being an amateur nutty professor/scientist type isn't it...:Party:

I know what you mean about talking to people about it (in your reply to Johnny) - any one I know well is used to me talking about some weird stuff but others, if I have the necessity or opening to talk about it are very polite but I can see a 'WHAT THE' look in their eyes, I talked to a neighbour a couple of weeks ago and she has chronic arthritis and pain - I gave her a quick run down and offered to make her a healing pad and gave her a quick peep of the one I had fixed to my stomach (I have some health issues in the abdomen area)... It was a nano coated flat spiral with a blob of GANS and a bit of untreated copper wire selotaped onto a cardboard square - I have no idea if it's working or not but I think it might be but my problems are deep inside that could only be looked at properly with a CT scan..

Aaaaanyway she seemed quite open to it all so I whipped one together for her and sewed it into a piece of material...I don't know if she is doing anything with it but she thanked me - funny thing - she has a mad dog that she rescued and when I took the healing pad round she wasn't in so I was going to leave it lodged in the letter box - so the dog starts barking frantically and pulling at it and we had a little tug of war and I'm panicking thing Oh No.!!!.... as we have been told specifically to avoid touching nano coated stuff with the bare skin and NOT to consume GANS in any way..... the dog would almost certainly have chewed it all to bits and maybe even swallowed it.....BUT I managed to get it off it and put it just on a shelf near the door - phew......that could have been a tad awkward - - - "I'm sorry Carol the Healing Pad just killed your dog.." :/

I have now made another healing pad for myself using GANS water (the water that the GANS has precipitated in) soaked into a piece of gause/swab in a little flat plastic bag - again difficult to say whats going on with the desired healing but if it is giving off a magnetic and gravitational field ..plasma/light field.. I believe it can do some good...

here's pic of a little nano coated spiral used to precipitate GANS from marigold flowers -

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040352_zpsqe87nly3.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040352_zpsqe87nly3.jpg.html)


24 hours later and the process was pretty much finished...


http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040358_zpsn4sebzfc.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040358_zpsn4sebzfc.jpg.html)


viewing the pot from below ~ illuminated by sunlight is rather beautiful
there is a very slight raised circle in the centre of the plastic pot ~but even so the pattern is fascinating...almost like a replica of the flower....???....maybe



http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040367_zpsmln18pup.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040367_zpsmln18pup.jpg.html)


anyway Stan ~ ~ ~ happy experimenting.....and good to hear from you

:thumb:



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[Aurelius]

<snip>

I talked to a neighbour a couple of weeks ago and she has chronic arthritis and pain - I gave her a quick run down and offered to make her a healing pad and gave her a quick peep of the one I had fixed to my stomach (I have some health issues in the abdomen area)... It was a nano coated flat spiral with a blob of GANS and a bit of untreated copper wire (((try not mix plasma and matter))) selotaped onto a cardboard square - I have no idea if it's working or not but I think it might be but my problems are deep inside that could only be looked at properly with a CT scan..

<snip>.... as we have been told specifically to avoid touching nano coated stuff with the bare skin (one of the reasons the world has some many issues with asbestos is because it is nano material) and NOT to consume GANS in any way (correct you only want field interaction, then your body, which is in a gans state, takes what it wants and gives what it does not want. you want full spectrum plasma on tap. never force these materials into the body) ..... <snip>

I have now made another healing pad for myself using GANS water (the water that the GANS has precipitated in) soaked into a piece of gause/swab in a little flat plastic bag - again difficult to say whats going on with the desired healing but if it is giving off a magnetic and gravitational field ..plasma/light field.. I believe it can do some good... did you use the water from your CO2 brewing tank? .. presumably you're following Renan's technique? If so, i think you'll be pleasantly surprised! Pls let us know how it goes ...

here's pic of a little nano coated spiral used to precipitate GANS from marigold flowers -

<snip>

24 hours later and the process was pretty much finished...



Hi Jayne,

Great news to see you're experimenting!

Here some useful medical links, not sure if you've seen them all yet:
74th KSW - 30min mark to 53mins, 1hr 30min to 1hr 43min
75th KSW - 37min to 1hr 13min then 1hr24 to 2hr 59min (especially Renan's slide deck)
78th KSW - 1hr 40mins to 2hr 19min (Renan's emergency kit)
79th KSW - 1hr 42min to the end. Don't the miss cup of life discussion at 2hr 7min, Malta & Renan comments at 2hr 11min & 2hr 22min.

I use a pain pad as well, i bought one off the Keshe website, works well. I've still to make my own, it's on the to-do list. I've been dishing out pain pads, to whoever I come across that is in need, i've done this 4x now, great feedback every time.

ps. you probably already know this, but only use your pain pad on yourself. it tunes itself to you. more accurately, use on oneself will profile the spectrum of field strength to your body. ie. don't share pain pad's around. Rather make one for whoever wants one.

apologies that I haven't been spending more time on this thread, there just aren't enough hours in the day! ... hopefully this will change, i'm planning on grabbing Bill sometime in the near future, with his new shiny conferencing platform (zoom) & putting some practical teaching sessions together.

Renan's method of using a baby's steam steriliser, to produce nice thick, even nano material in the 81st KSW was an interesting idea.

[Erich]

<snip>

If he thinks 'they' will not understand how it works, I suspect he is underestimating their powers of investigation. . There are some pretty smart cookies out there. And anyway, he's been making videos for years. Surely 'they' can get some clues by watching them...

I await impatiently for a few of these to be released on 16 October. I'm assuming the MSM won't be there in swarms to report the event, so how will we know when this has been achieved? Are the new owners likely to want to report the effectiveness of these devices and how they are putting them to use?

What I'd really like is to see a couple sent to independent labs for some test results...

Thanks.

Nick, if one HAS NOT put in the time and effort to understand plasma tech, when you have the device (the plasma power supply) in your hands, in a way, it will be similar to what is described here (https://youtu.be/iezJY74GsX8?t=565) (9min 28sec - 11min 14sec .. Bob is actually describing a plasma power unit, he just doesn't understand it). You will think it is complete nonsense & hot smoke. Those that understand plasma tech, will find what Bob is describing makes sense and will also figure out what to do with the Keshe plasma power supply.

I would love to see a traditional lab, with no understanding in plasma tech, testing such a device when given to them (in pieces)! It would be no different to giving them the device Bob describes (in pieces). You need to know what to do with it & if you're looking for electron flow, you'll be looking for a very long time. Day1 (16 Oct 2015) when you get the plasma power supply, Mr Keshe will most likely NOT show how to use it fully. If my suspicions are correct, understanding how Keshe does things & his strategy, he'll save the "idiots guide" for various applications / uses for Day2 or later. Most likely he will wait for Knowledge Seekers to disclose various uses at various points in time. ie. water creation, heating, energy, flight, material production etc. I guess in your case, you'll need to hang around till then, then you'll see something that you'll regard as tangible.

I suspect many people on Day1 (16 Oct 2015) will feel let-down & disappointed. A "power supply" that has a pipe with liquid in it, that generates energy, what crazy irrational nonsense is this ??? !!! .. this is mostly likely what will be said. The next step after the Plasma PSU will be nothing tangible, an empty box, i'm sure the sceptics will have a field day with that one.

Day2 and later, when people see the device doing something, then believe it as a consequence of seeing something, even-though they have no understanding of how it works, then they'll describe it, in a manner, no different to how Bob did. THEN the house of cards (http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Energy_Issue.htm) comes tumbling down ...

Why would anyone be disappointed if you can plug in your stuff and it works? How many people really care how? I understand plasma and I dont feel compelled to know so much about it. I would rather interact with people and help them develop understanding, etc...

[jaybee]

Hi Jayne,

Great news to see you're experimenting!

Here some useful medical links, not sure if you've seen them all yet:
74th KSW - 30min mark to 53mins, 1hr 30min to 1hr 43min
75th KSW - 37min to 1hr 13min then 1hr24 to 2hr 59min (especially Brenan's slide deck)
78th KSW - 1hr 40mins to 2hr 19min (Brenan's emergency kit)
79th KSW - 1hr 42min to the end. Don't the miss cup of life discussion at 2hr 7min, Malta & Brenan comments at 2hr 11min & 2hr 22min.

I use a pain pad as well, i bought one off the Keshe website, works well. I've still to make my own, it's on the to-do list. I've been dishing out pain pads, to whoever I come across that is in need, i've done this 4x now, great feedback every time.

ps. you probably already know this, but only use your pain pad on yourself. it tunes itself to you. more accurately, use on oneself will profile the spectrum of field strength to your body. ie. don't share pain pad's around. Rather make one for whoever wants one.

apologies that I haven't been spending more time on this thread, there just aren't enough hours in the day! ... hopefully this will change, i'm planning on grabbing Bill sometime in the near future, with his new shiny conferencing platform (zoom) & putting some practical teaching sessions together.

Brenan's method of using a baby's steam steriliser, to produce nice thick, even nano material in the 81st KSW was an interesting idea.


Hi Aurelius - thanks for the advice, feedback and video references :thumb:

It's all quite hit and miss what I watch on video because there are so many and so much quality information!! But I will take a look at what you have pointed to because it is good to focus on something in particular sometimes..

I think I will look into getting a baby's steam steriliser...

I have had success with nano coating using the Armen video as a guide, although I've only done it with copper wire not plates... success until now that is.. and the latest two pots haven't kicked off the precipitation process - One was with a hazel leaf and the other a marigold flower -

I had been mostly using copper wire stripped from a long ariel lead that I had and didn't need any more - and that has worked a treat...

then

I stripped a regular electric wire and the copper wire was very fine and I bunched it together but for the first time the process hasn't kicked off. I tried it like that because I'd seen a video where at the Keshe Foundation they had lots of smaller square plastic containers on a table with copper wire draped over into the containers like hair...and one half of the strands of copper were nano coated and the other half wasn't - I will try and see if I can find the video again some time. I was curious about it because they were using straight bunches of copper wire -

Maybe the copper wire I used wasn't a good width...but something wasn't right - I have twisted it to try and make it more of a spiral... but it still didn't do anything.

I might try plaiting it first then making a spiral and see what happens...

All the other pots have been fine -

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what you said about not mixing matter and plasma re. the healing pad -

oh mmmmm ta for that...I did that on purpose to specifically mix plasma with matter after someone on the Golden Age of GANS group had made a healing pad for his Dad's back and had good results and he added a bit of 'matter' ... a bit of wood I think...but I suppose the cardboard backing I used would be the same - I also caught a video where Mehran Keshe was talking about using a capacitor with some untreated copper in it to do something like 'bring the plasma onto the material level' (my words)..this was to do with energy to power things in the house -

sooooooo I thought perhaps a bit of untreated copper might be helpful - but your comment about this is noted -

The GANS water I used in my healing pad was from the marigold GANS because I thought that as calendula has well established good healing propertes that could be good. I also tried something else with it -

You saw the lovely pattern that the marigold GANS made well I had just put it for a while in strong sunlight on the window ledge...and I wasn't sure if it would have gone into that pattern without the sunlight or not...so sometimes I shine a bright spotlight onto the healing pad when its next to my skin - and at the same time visualize a marigold flower :) - and if possible at the same time look at a marigold flower in my garden and think or say the words.... 'thank you'

Oh the nuttydom of it all.....:sun:

Good job laughter is the best medicine because I'm laughing now..

The theory is that the focus of light might help to imprint the marigold GANS field more strongly into the plasma/light fields already existing (ie my body)..


cheers

[Aurelius]

Why would anyone be disappointed if you can plug in your stuff and it works? How many people really care how? I understand plasma and I dont feel compelled to know so much about it. I would rather interact with people and help them develop understanding, etc...

Hi Erich,

Day 1 (16 Oct), from an energy perspective, the Plasma PSU will require a plasma "sink". ie. "the grid" or local demand / supply connectivity, to keep the plasmatic flow going for it to work. The plasma GENERATOR will be different, but that's targeted for a later point in time (Africa get's it first?). The Plasma PSU won't work well for resistive and some other loads, or anything that requires the field strength to be lowered to matter state, there will be a lot of confusion about this. As people turn on devices & consume more & more energy, they will see benefits, it will increase the plasma flow, then when they turn off devices, the plasma will try to maintain the flow, this may show significantly reduced efficiency (pending the overall net reduction in demand), the Plasma PSU will try to find the short-fall in demand from the grid / local loop. ie. you may pay more for energy unnecessarily, possibly even more than if you didn't use the device, this will cause confusion. There may be cases of when one pulls out plugs, they get a shock. The electrical wiring will become nano coated, people may not understand why their wiring is turning black (we need to see how this might effect electrical contacts in various switches). All the aspects detailed above, are not easy to discuss if you don't have an understanding. I feel this may not be a simple case of "plug it in and it works" on Day1, but will eventually move towards this.

From what I understand, using the plasma PSU for water production, isn't scheduled for Day1, neither is using it for heating or flight. However if people figure this out, then "plug it in and it works" will apply.

Renan's [typo corrected] devices (pad, pen, kits) will be easier to grasp, people will build them, use them & see the benefits. They wont need to understand how it works.

You are 100% correct about interacting with people and helping them develop understanding. This is most important. So far, my experiences, together with a few others, it's easier said than done .. but we remain ever hopeful. Point in case, look at the amount of Keshe "scoffers" on Avalon, they haven't bothered to seriously look into the tech other than fluff the surface, yet they have a lot to say.

I do understand that most people don't care how things work, they just want to see it & use it! To be honest, i cannot relate to such people. I believe one of the reasons Mr Keshe has patiently reeled out the knowledge, at the painfully slow pace he has, is to ensure people "get it" & that it is entrenched at a grass-roots level. Then it cannot be suppressed, cannot be taken away. You become fully self sufficient, you can do what you want with it, you are now a lot more in control of your destiny, than you ever were before.

In time, as you know, the irony will be people will discover they never needed the devices in the first place, their bodies are a "bag" of GANS with a plasma in their brain, which they are fully able to control, they had it all along ! :sun:

[Aurelius]

8 Oct 2015
82nd KSW (http://livestream.com/accounts/15210385/events/4353996), Mr Keshe discusses the new Plasma PSU that will be released on the 16 Oct. A production unit is shown. There have been some developments in terms of energy supply specifications: the unit will be limited to 2-3kW for resistive loads and higher energy levels for non-resistive loads. In time to come, the selling price will be adjusted to approx €150. 31min - Discussions around the ethics of manufacturing. 33mins - discussion regarding the appearance of the 2nd Sun (from the earth's twin solar system) and the changes it will bring about. Time for the planet to work together as one. 1hr44min - more information regarding pending planetary changes & challenges ahead. 1hr49min - how to use the mag-grav Plasma PSU to manifest.

[Nick Matkin]

[...] the unit will be limited to 2-3kW for resistive loads and higher energy levels for non-resistive loads.

This is very odd, some might even say suspicious. Or maybe just clumsy writing by someone.

The only true measurement of AC power (Volts x Amps = Watts) is into a resistive load. Measuring it into anything else (inductive or capacitive loads) may appear to give higher power, but this measurements is not in Watts, but Volt-Amps which are only the same as Watts if the voltage and current are in phase as measured into a resistive load.

Additionally, using the phrase 'energy levels' is not helpful in describing output power. 'Energy' is far too vague a term!

Maybe the spec got mangled by some non-technical writers. But that's a very careless thing to allow, particularly as the physics is probably non-conventional. Sloppy writing like that only gives skeptics ammunition!

Has anyone got the link to the actual spec-sheet of this device for close examination for potential customers to study?

On sale through Amazon by Christmas...?

[Aurelius]

[...] the unit will be limited to 2-3kW for resistive loads and higher energy levels for non-resistive loads.

This is very odd, some might even say suspicious. Or maybe just clumsy writing by someone.

The only true measurement of AC power (Volts x Amps = Watts) is into a resistive load. Measuring it into anything else (inductive or capacitive loads) may appear to give higher power, but this measurements is not in Watts, but Volt-Amps which are only the same as Watts if the voltage and current are in phase as measured into a resistive load.

Additionally, using the phrase 'energy levels' is not helpful in describing output power. 'Energy' is far too vague a term!

Maybe the spec got mangled by some non-technical writers. But that's a very careless thing to allow, particularly as the physics is probably non-conventional. Sloppy writing like that only gives skeptics ammunition!

Has anyone got the link to the actual spec-sheet of this device for close examination for potential customers to study?

On sale through Amazon by Christmas...?

Nick .. pls watch the presentation from 2hr 49min onwards, hopefully you will find your answer there. I intentionally used the word "energy". The better word is "plasmatic flow" which has nothing to do with electron flow (it is like saying the river that is far from the crop field, irrigates the field. yes there is some degree of seepage underground, but it is not a direct feed) . I am an EE with many years experience in the design & construction electrical devices, so I fully understand where you are coming from. I am intentionally not using traditional EE language, formula's & concepts for very good reasons. You need to spend time trying to understand plasma, Enough information (links) exists in this thread for you to be able to do this. You are dealing with something of a higher order than electricity, we are forcing it into a lower order (and loosing incredible amount of energy & efficiency in doing so) to power traditional electrical devices.

As i have said before, the aether* (http://aetherforce.com/the-defiance-of-nikola-tesla/) aether** (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_(classical_element)) aether*** (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_(mythology)) is back from the grave, under a new name (plasma), with a better understanding of its structure, what it is, how it works & how to use it. This time it is not going to be shelved away. Michelson-Morley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment) & Einstein in their ignorance, have done humanity a great disservice, we have also been fools to lap-up their erroneous conclusions, one day hopefully everyone will understand this.

[Nick Matkin]

Nick .. pls watch the presentation from 2hr 49min onwards, hopefully you will find your answer there. .

Thanks for your reply. The video wants me to create an account before I can view.

As there are so many other Keshe videos, could you point me and others to just one or two pertinent ones? Ones demonstrating the devices' capabilities would be particularly useful

Please forgive my ignorance, but does he produce AC and DC generators?

Thanks.

[Aurelius]

Nick .. pls watch the presentation from 2hr 49min onwards, hopefully you will find your answer there. .

Thanks for your reply. The video wants me to create an account before I can view.

As there are so many other Keshe videos, could you point me and others to just one or two pertinent ones? Ones demonstrating the devices' capabilities would be particularly useful

Please forgive my ignorance, but does he produce AC and DC generators?

Thanks.

You'll need to create a free livestream account in order for you to watch it (for now), as the video has not been uploaded here (https://www.youtube.com/user/MrfixitRick/videos) yet (though, it should appear soon).

There's a bit of a cyclical conversation going on here ...
ie. what are specs? .. in a way, the specs can be whatever you want them to be (you need to understand plasma)
what is the power rating? .. more energy than you can imagine (you need to understand plasma)
is it ac/dc? ... it is both (you need to understand plasma). if you wanted it to be saw tooth, triangle, square wave, what ever, it will do all these as well (pending what it see's on the "sink" side)
what voltage? .. any voltage! & all concurrently 110v & 120v & 240v & 1000v (if you desire), the voltage is dictated by the demand of each connected device, there is a bit more to this aspect, i do fear there may see some "smoke" / disappointment / broken electrical devices here, let's see. (again, for all of this to make sense, you need to understand plasma).

all the above will make no sense, until you invest some time in understanding what plasma is & understand the underlying principles. as you say there are tons of video's out there.

Stan / Erich, you are both getting up to speed with plasma theory & are getting your hands dirty, can you advise here? ... recommend a way for Nick to understand the knowledge, other than spending time, watching the videos?

In short, if you can't / don't invest the time in understanding plasma, it's probably best to wait for the 16 Oct, look to see what the general comments / feedback is from those using the device. i suspect there will be a usual mix of information (the objective / the unsuccessful / the successful / the idiots / the dis-info etc.) then you can either buy or build your own Plasma PSU, see the "weird / "strange" behaviour for yourself, that doesn't fit the current academic mould, hopefully then, your curiosity will lead you on to the path, where you put the effort in to understand the underlying plasma theory. then off you go, do whatever you want with it (peaceful purposes only) ...

[Nick Matkin]

Nick .. pls watch the presentation from 2hr 49min onwards, hopefully you will find your answer there. .

Thanks for your reply. The video wants me to create an account before I can view.

As there are so many other Keshe videos, could you point me and others to just one or two pertinent ones? Ones demonstrating the devices' capabilities would be particularly useful

Please forgive my ignorance, but does he produce AC and DC generators?

Thanks.

You'll need to create a free livestream account in order for you to watch it (for now), as the video has not been uploaded here (https://www.youtube.com/user/MrfixitRick/videos) yet.

There's a bit of a cyclical conversation going on here ...
ie. what are specs? .. in a way, the specs can be whatever you want them to be (you need to understand plasma)
what is the power rating? .. more energy than you can imagine (you need to understand plasma)
is it ac/dc? ... it is both (you need to understand plasma). if you wanted it to be saw tooth, triangle, square wave, it will do all these as well (pending what it see's on the "sink" side)
what voltage? .. any voltage & all concurrently 110v & 240v & 1000v (if you desire), again you need to understand plasma.

all the above will make no sense, until you invest some time in understanding what plasma is & understand the underlying principles. as you say they are tons of video;s out there.

Stan / Erich, you are both coming up to speed on plasma, can you recommend a way for Nick to understanding the knowledge, other than spending time, watching the videos?

In short, if you can't / don't invest the time in understanding plasma, I guess you'll have to wait for the 16 Oct, buy or build your own Plasma PSU, see "weird" behaviour / things happen, try to figure them out, hopefully then your curiosity will lead you on to the path, they will allow you to put the effort in, to understnad the underlying theory, then off you go, do what you want with it (peaceful purposes) ...

Mmm... Surely, if anyone wants to buy one, off the shelf, they will want to know what it's capable of in advance without necessarily understanding how it works.

If I want to buy a Honda petrol generator, I don't need to understand how the internal-combustion engine works (although to some extent that is an advantage), but I do need to know how big it is, how heavy it is, what power output the different models have, environmental requirements (ventilation needs, max and min temperature range), voltage/current regulation, short-circuit protection, frequency stability and purity of the waveform AC under different loads, etc. etc.

If Honda or anyone else brought out a revolutionary new generator, the least they would supply would be this information so potential buyers could see what they were getting.

So is Keshe going to release this information on 16 October with the product? I don't see anything wrong with that, as long as it happens.

[Aurelius]

Mmm... Surely, if anyone wants to buy one, off the shelf, they will want to know what it's capable of in advance without necessarily understanding how it works.

If I want to buy a Honda petrol generator, I don't need to understand how the internal-combustion engine works (although to some extent that is an advantage), but I do need to know how big it is, how heavy it is, what power output the different models have, environmental requirements (ventilation needs, max and min temperature range), voltage/current regulation, short-circuit protection, frequency stability and purity of the waveform AC under different loads, etc. etc.

If Honda or anyone else brought out a revolutionary new generator, the least they would supply would be this information so potential buyers could see what they were getting.

So is Keshe going to release this information on 16 October with the product? I don't see anything wrong with that, as long as it happens.

customers think they have purchased an electric power supply unit.
Note: it was always described as a Plasma power supply unit.
In a way, the unit was bent out of shape, to allow you to power electric devices in your home (analogous to using the sun as the starter motor in your engine).
What it actually is ... is a 1st step, a foundation building block, for other steps that will follow, that will allow one to have: energy, health, material production, transport, shelter, heating etc.

[turiya]

Mmm... Surely, if anyone wants to buy one, off the shelf, they will want to know what it's capable of in advance without necessarily understanding how it works.

If I want to buy a Honda petrol generator, I don't need to understand how the internal-combustion engine works (although to some extent that is an advantage), but I do need to know how big it is, how heavy it is, what power output the different models have, environmental requirements (ventilation needs, max and min temperature range), voltage/current regulation, short-circuit protection, frequency stability and purity of the waveform AC under different loads, etc. etc.

If Honda or anyone else brought out a revolutionary new generator, the least they would supply would be this information so potential buyers could see what they were getting.

So is Keshe going to release this information on 16 October with the product? I don't see anything wrong with that, as long as it happens.

Tune into the Ambassadors Meeting in Rome. Keshe says that the 1st Power Unit of the Production Line will be explained.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8xQUulafGw

[Nick Matkin]

So, in a nutshell, it's a device that is plugged into the mains.

You can power an appliance of up to about 3 kW - which is normal for a mains outlet.

But when using the device, the power drawn from the mains is 60 to 70% less than this. Meaning that three 1 kW electric fires (total power consumption 3 kW) can be operated from one mains outlet, but they only use the power of about 1 kW.

And it will do this indefinitely?

Well if this is true it is remarkable. There in no way this can be kept quiet and should hit the media in a big way very soon, just like the Pons and Fleischmann experimental cold-fusion results did in 1989, although perhaps this time it will work.

If it doesn't, there will be a lot of very p***ed-off folks around who will realise they have been hoodwinked.

Thanks.

[Aurelius]

So, in a nutshell, it's a device that is plugged into the mains.

You can power an appliance of up to about 3 kW - which is normal for a mains outlet.

But when using the device, the power drawn from the mains is 60 to 70% less than this. Meaning that three 1 kW electric fires (total power consumption 3 kW) can be operated from one mains outlet, but they only use the power of about 1 kW.

And it will do this indefinitely?

Well if this is true it is remarkable. There in no way this can be kept quiet and should hit the media in a big way very soon, just like the Pons and Fleischmann experimental cold-fusion results did in 1989, although perhaps this time it will work.

If it doesn't, there will be a lot of very p***ed-off folks around who will realise they have been hoodwinked.

Thanks.

yes, you are correct, that pretty much sums it up.
however, we will see varying efficiencies for different types of loads.
also, as one gradually draws more and more energy from the unit, it will accommodate this, BUT as soon as you deviate from the maximum overall demand eg. by turning devices off, it will try to MAINTAIN the overall demand & it may attempt to find the shortfall from the grid, this may completely SKEW & undermine any efficiencies obtained. ie. try to stop earth in it's orbital path, see what happens to the rest of the planets in the solar system.

ps. Pons & Fleischmann WERE successful, their observations WERE correct, subsequent attempts by them and others "magically" FAILED (:clapping:) ...

Fusion & Fission don't actually exist, it's all about how you open a plasma to access it's energy (in a way, what the Plasma power supply does) or .. how you achieve plasmatic amalgamation (what will happen to our sun and the sun from the twin solar system when they combine) or .. plasmatic division (how our universe and it's sibling/s were formed from the parent universe). There's the EASY way and then there's the HARD way to achieve all the above. Currently in the nuclear industry it's the HARD way. Mr Keshe and no doubt some black projects (which you the citizens have directly / indirectly funded) do it the EASY way. Pons & Fleischmann found a way to do it the EASY way.

[Erich]

So, in a nutshell, it's a device that is plugged into the mains.

You can power an appliance of up to about 3 kW - which is normal for a mains outlet.

But when using the device, the power drawn from the mains is 60 to 70% less than this. Meaning that three 1 kW electric fires (total power consumption 3 kW) can be operated from one mains outlet, but they only use the power of about 1 kW.

And it will do this indefinitely?

Well if this is true it is remarkable. There in no way this can be kept quiet and should hit the media in a big way very soon, just like the Pons and Fleischmann experimental cold-fusion results did in 1989, although perhaps this time it will work.

If it doesn't, there will be a lot of very p***ed-off folks around who will realise they have been hoodwinked.

Thanks.

yes, you are correct, that pretty much sums it up.
however, we will see varying efficiencies for different types of loads.
also, as one gradually draws more and more energy from the unit, it will accommodate this, BUT as soon as you deviate from the maximum overall demand eg. by turning devices off, it will try to MAINTAIN the overall demand & it may attempt to find the shortfall from the grid, this may completely SKEW & undermine any efficiencies obtained. ie. try to stop earth in it's orbital path, see what happens to the rest of the planets in the solar system.

ps. Pons & Fleischmann WERE successful, their observations WERE correct, subsequent attempts by them and others "magically" FAILED (:clapping:) ...

Fusion & Fission don't actually exist, it's all about how you open a plasma to access it's energy (in a way, what the Plasma power supply does) or .. how you achieve plasmatic amalgamation (what will happen to our sun and the sun from the twin solar system when they combine) or .. plasmatic division (how our universe and it's sibling/s were formed from the parent universe). There's the EASY way and then there's the HARD way to achieve all the above. Currently in the nuclear industry it's the HARD way. Mr Keshe and no doubt some black projects (which you the citizens have directly / indirectly funded) do it the EASY way. Pons & Fleischmann found a way to do it the EASY way.

It is a bit disappointing it is not independent because MKT kind of sold the impression of getting out from under. It is basically a well built Alekz bead system. Do you know if it can be plugged into any outlet? Splicing into the main is a deal killer for me. I have a started a small group here and it is very difficult to explain plasma coherently. I can quite readily help people get started and paraphrase what I learn from the workshops, but in order for me to explain something in a clear way I need to know all of the complexities myself.

[Aurelius]

It is a bit disappointing it is not independent
>>if you're referring to independent from the grid? that would be the Plasma power generator, still to come. There is a way to do this with the Plasma power supply. Stay tuned.

<snip>

It is basically a well built Alekz bead system.

>> works a bit differently to Alekz's system, but yes, in essence it's the same, see to 2hrs 49min into the 82nd KSW

Do you know if it can be plugged into any outlet?

>> yes, refer to 14mins into the 82nd KSW

<snip>
I have a started a small group here and it is very difficult to explain plasma coherently. I can quite readily help people get started and paraphrase what I learn from the workshops, but in order for me to explain something in a clear way I need to know all of the complexities myself.

>> give Renan [typo now corrected] a shout, maybe he can help? When MK releases the private teachings, that might help. But to be honest, all the relevant knowledge is publicly available.




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[Aurelius]

due to all the communication issues experienced during the 82nd KSW, here is a link to the RAW video, the final video is still being put together:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvWOzUvoUqo

[aranuk]

Aurelius said "Stan / Erich, you are both getting up to speed with plasma theory & are getting your hands dirty, can you advise here? ... recommend a way for Nick to understand the knowledge, other than spending time, watching the videos?"
Hi Nick, you obviously have an understanding and a training in elecrical engineering. I have not. I can change a plug and a light bulb that's about my depth of understanding electricity. However after watching hundreds of KF videos I am now beginning to understand more about plasma. First of all electricity and plasma are different in as much as everything material including copper wires circuits etc. involved with electricity is made from the basic building blocks of matter which is plasma. As flour is the main ingredient of bread, plasma is the main ingredient of electrical devices. Understanding plasma is more like understanding what flour is, rather than understanding what you can do with bread. I am trying not to repeat anything Aurelius has said. Having almost no knowledge of how electricity works has not been a drawback for me in trying to understand plasma. However having a good knowledge of such things could likely be a drawback to its understanding if you allow it. Try not to compare it. That would help you I think.

Stan

[Erich]

Aurelius, maybe I keep missing it, but I just do not find a comment about what plug. My common sense tells me any plug bc the plasma will travel to all of the places where electricity is flowing, even outside of the house, etc...I dont know Brenan. But, I am sure I am missing the private teaching part. There are little pieces here and there not clear to me exposed when people ask me questions. I teach creative writing. When a student asks a question I can immediatly trace the question back to the fundamental and give the student an answer that creates an aha moment. I know writing that well. Not yet with plasma. I watch all of the workshops, sometimes several times, go back and re listen as I did today per your suggestion. Also go through various emotional responses, mixing my own wishes with the tech and then feeling elated or disappointed.

[Nick Matkin]

Hi Nick, you obviously have an understanding and a training in elecrical engineering. I have not. I can change a plug and a light bulb that's about my depth of understanding electricity. However after watching hundreds of KF videos I am now beginning to understand more about plasma. First of all electricity and plasma are different in as much as everything material including copper wires circuits etc. involved with electricity is made from the basic building blocks of matter which is plasma. As flour is the main ingredient of bread, plasma is the main ingredient of electrical devices. Understanding plasma is more like understanding what flour is, rather than understanding what you can do with bread. I am trying not to repeat anything Aurelius has said. Having almost no knowledge of how electricity works has not been a drawback for me in trying to understand plasma. However having a good knowledge of such things could likely be a drawback to its understanding if you allow it. Try not to compare it. That would help you I think.

Stan

Hi aranuk and thanks for your thoughts.

I am not an electrical engineer, but a broadcast electronics engineer (how radio signals are transmitted and received), but I do have a reasonably sound knowledge of electrical engineering.

Here are where my concerns lie; too many 'free energy' or 'over unity' devices simply pull the wool over those who are very interested but non-technical by using elaborate displays of pseudo science.

We keep hearing that traditional science is not interested in this technology because it 'knows' it to be a hoax. In my experience this is nonsense. The whole purpose of the scientific method is to discover new things. There are plenty of examples where science was reluctant to accept and confirm new theories (continental drift springs to mind) but eventually if there really is anything there, science will eventually embrace it.

Call me naive, but there is a Nobel Prize for anyone who can demonstrate over unity. Bright university students love to prove their 'betters' wrong. Don't you think they'd be all over this? Maybe they will after 16 October. I will be watching.

It matters not what I or traditional science believes. The proof will be when the thing is shown to work - it's that easy. The media would love to have footage of 'traditional scientists' examining one, looking at the results and scratching their heads!

Only very keen researchers will wade though hours and hours of Keshe's videos. From what I have seen, I don't see much of substance - maybe I just missed it. My bad!

Anyway, if his devices really work and the world sees this fact on 16 October, that's fantastic. But if we're still debating at this level next year, them I'm though with this whole thing. As I expect may others who have already endured serial disappointments.

[Johnny]

Everything is plasma, some are matter some are not !

edit: except consciousness :)

Do you think we have lost Stan and Aurelius and we now are 'alone' in the world ??

Johnny :)

We are so busy nano coating copper plates and copper wires. I have nano coated a copper plate and several copper wires which have all gone black. Just about to go to shop to buy salt for the gans of CO2 production, so I'm now catching up with you guys or as Mr K says "you lot". I am excited beyond belief with all this! I am getting some strange looks from friends when I am trying to explain what I am doing.I have also been very busy moving house. I have put lots of pictures on walls and all the odd jobs to take care off. Actually at present I am walking about in a trance like state with all the changes in the last two months. I am wondering if I will ever be the same again.
I will report my discoveries as they occur.

Stan

Thanks, Stan.


I am wondering if I will ever be the same again.

Would you like to be the same again (he he, do not answer !!)

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

Hi Nick, you obviously have an understanding and a training in elecrical engineering. I have not. I can change a plug and a light bulb that's about my depth of understanding electricity. However after watching hundreds of KF videos I am now beginning to understand more about plasma. First of all electricity and plasma are different in as much as everything material including copper wires circuits etc. involved with electricity is made from the basic building blocks of matter which is plasma. As flour is the main ingredient of bread, plasma is the main ingredient of electrical devices. Understanding plasma is more like understanding what flour is, rather than understanding what you can do with bread. I am trying not to repeat anything Aurelius has said. Having almost no knowledge of how electricity works has not been a drawback for me in trying to understand plasma. However having a good knowledge of such things could likely be a drawback to its understanding if you allow it. Try not to compare it. That would help you I think.

Stan

Hi aranuk and thanks for your thoughts.

I am not an electrical engineer, but a broadcast electronics engineer (how radio signals are transmitted and received), but I do have a reasonably sound knowledge of electrical engineering.

Here are where my concerns lie; too many 'free energy' or 'over unity' devices simply pull the wool over those who are very interested but non-technical by using elaborate displays of pseudo science.

We keep hearing that traditional science is not interested in this technology because it 'knows' it to be a hoax. In my experience this is nonsense. The whole purpose of the scientific method is to discover new things. There are plenty of examples where science was reluctant to accept and confirm new theories (continental drift springs to mind) but eventually if there really is anything there, science will eventually embrace it.

Call me naive, but there is a Nobel Prize for anyone who can demonstrate over unity. Bright university students love to prove their 'betters' wrong. Don't you think they'd be all over this? Maybe they will after 16 October. I will be watching.

It matters not what I or traditional science believes. The proof will be when the thing is shown to work - it's that easy. The media would love to have footage of 'traditional scientists' examining one, looking at the results and scratching their heads!

Only very keen researchers will wade though hours and hours of Keshe's videos. From what I have seen, I don't see much of substance - maybe I just missed it. My bad!

Anyway, if his devices really work and the world sees this fact on 16 October, that's fantastic. But if we're still debating at this level next year, them I'm though with this whole thing. As I expect may others who have already endured serial disappointments.

As I have said before, in my point of view, this (plasma) is the real missing link.


We keep hearing that traditional science is not interested in this technology because it 'knows' it to be a hoax.

The reason for this (in my point of view) is they are trapped in 'cause and effect', which is in the time/space continuum.

If you can agree with, there is a cause to everything, then there must also be a cause to cause and and effect.

This cause (to the cause and and effect), where do we find that ? We find it everywhere where 'things happen'. (It has to be so, right ? ). This is very similar (but not the same) to plasma in the state, before it become to

anything we are able to measure. Plasma in matter state, can go 'back' to plasma in none matter state.

But the cause (to the cause and and effect) will never ever be able to change.

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

Here is a nice video about nano-coating and also with something I never have seen before:

2innQ2kFBjM

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

Here is a nice video about nano-coating and also with something I never have seen before:

<snip>

Johnny :)

thank you for posting this johnny !

.. this chap has some other excellent videos on his youtube channel, pls do watch them, though most are in German (you'll still get some value out of them).

[aranuk]

Everything is plasma, some are matter some are not !

edit: except consciousness :)

Do you think we have lost Stan and Aurelius and we now are 'alone' in the world ??

Johnny :)

We are so busy nano coating copper plates and copper wires. I have nano coated a copper plate and several copper wires which have all gone black. Just about to go to shop to buy salt for the gans of CO2 production, so I'm now catching up with you guys or as Mr K says "you lot". I am excited beyond belief with all this! I am getting some strange looks from friends when I am trying to explain what I am doing.I have also been very busy moving house. I have put lots of pictures on walls and all the odd jobs to take care off. Actually at present I am walking about in a trance like state with all the changes in the last two months. I am wondering if I will ever be the same again.
I will report my discoveries as they occur.

Stan

Thanks, Stan.


I am wondering if I will ever be the same again.

Would you like to be the same again (he he, do not answer !!)

Johnny :)

nah Johnny, I've tried it and it sucks!

Stan

[jaybee]

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Thanks for that video Johnny, I enjoyed it.

:thumb:


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Just wanted to slip back to this that I wrote in my post number 381..





I had been mostly using copper wire stripped from a long ariel lead that I had and didn't need any more - and that has worked a treat...

then

I stripped a regular electric wire and the copper wire was very fine and I bunched it together but for the first time the process hasn't kicked off. I tried it like that because I'd seen a video where at the Keshe Foundation they had lots of smaller square plastic containers on a table with copper wire draped over into the containers like hair...and one half of the strands of copper were nano coated and the other half wasn't - I will try and see if I can find the video again some time. I was curious about it because they were using straight bunches of copper wire -

Maybe the copper wire I used wasn't a good width...but something wasn't right - I have twisted it to try and make it more of a spiral... but it still didn't do anything.

I might try plaiting it first then making a spiral and see what happens...

All the other pots have been fine -




I stumbled back on the video I was talking about here and I'd remembered it completely wrong...they didn't use straight bunches of copper wire - they used spirals of copper wire - half untreated and half nano coated..twisted together -

here's the video with all the plastic containers..... mass production of GANS :)


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it's part of a series

perhaps that explains why the precipitate didn't kick off - it should have been spiraled from the beginning?

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[jaybee]

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I watched the next in that series and it was Mehran Keshe talking about the magnetic channels that could be seen...


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and I thought of my Marigold GANS.... that must have been showing magnetic channels...:clapping:





viewing the pot from below ~ illuminated by sunlight is rather beautiful
there is a very slight raised circle in the centre of the plastic pot ~but even so the pattern is fascinating...almost like a replica of the flower....???....maybe



http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040367_zpsmln18pup.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/P1040367_zpsmln18pup.jpg.html)

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[jaybee]

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I hope everything goes well on the 16th - I will be away from home for a few days so will have to catch up with it all
when I get back..

I'm going near the sea and I'm going to bring some seaweed back and try and make some GANS from it....:star:

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[Johnny]

Here is a nice video about nano-coating and also with something I never have seen before:

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Johnny :)

thank you for posting this johnny !

.. this chap has some other excellent videos on his youtube channel, pls do watch them, though most are in German (you'll still get some value out of them).

Yes, thank you. His YouTube channel among many others about Keshe, has been bookmarked. I am out nearly every day to search for Keshe videos, in hope to catch some videos from the PHILIPPINES, but I heard in

one of the latest workshops, that Keshe has asked them to keep them 'under the radar', but I continues the search.

Johnny :)



Johnny

[Johnny]

Here is a video, not about Keshe, but a guy named Gerard Morin, I think it is rather weird what he is doing, and similar to Keshe's work, one is not able to measure it, f.eks he is 'running' a light bulb with DC and claim

It will work for ever (the light bulb).

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Maybe Nick has a comment to this ???

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

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I hope everything goes well on the 16th - I will be away from home for a few days so will have to catch up with it all
when I get back..

I'm going near the sea and I'm going to bring some seaweed back and try and make some GANS from it....:star:

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Are you sure you are not going to Rome ???? :highfive: If not, have a nice trip !!

BTW has anybody heard if there will be a transmission that day ??

Johnny :)

[jaybee]

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I hope everything goes well on the 16th - I will be away from home for a few days so will have to catch up with it all
when I get back..

I'm going near the sea and I'm going to bring some seaweed back and try and make some GANS from it....:star:

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Are you sure you are not going to Rome ???? :highfive: If not, have a nice trip !!

BTW has anybody heard if there will be a transmission that day ??

Johnny :)


Haha

Arrivederci.......:highfive:

ciao for now

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[Nick Matkin]

Here is a video, not about Keshe, but a guy named Gerard Morin, I think it is rather weird what he is doing, and similar to Keshe's work, one is not able to measure it, f.eks he is 'running' a light bulb with DC and claim

It will work for ever (the light bulb).

Maybe Nick has a comment to this ???

Johnny :)

Thanks for the video.

Unfortunately I haven't got time to sit through the whole 1h 6m - I only watched the first 25 mins.

My thoughts, for what they're worth...

It's not at all clear what he's trying to do. Without being there to examine what the kit does, it looks like he's just using normal batteries to drive a DC motor. This motor is mechanically linked to an AC generator. I have a WWII valve (tube) aircraft communications receiver that uses exactly this primitive method to turn the 24 volt aircraft power to 250 volt high tension for the valves/tubes.

The normal bulbs in the video will operate from AC or DC. The curly florescent will only work off AC, the LEDs sometimes work of either. It's not surprising some will work from the DC battery and some will not, but will all work from the AC generator driven by the DC motor.

Then he attaches a normal transformer and connects it to the tube and - hey presto - it lights. High voltage stimulation of the gas. That's what Tesla coil demonstrators often use. It's nothing unusual.

What's he proved? He's shown he can use a battery to drive a DC motor that will turn an AC generator (of any voltage you like) then connect that to a transformer to increase the voltage.

No measurement of currents, so no indication of power generated, or of how long it will do it for from the battery. And using a motor linked to another to drive its position (21m 30s) by hand turning is just how many antenna rotators work.

All this 'natural energy' and 'pure elections' talk is just rubbish. Another example of how the internet is full of this stuff to bamboozle the technically untrained.

Nothing new here. He's trying to impress, but not giving any diagrams of the wiring, not showing any current measurements, just voltage, and not showing how long this will run off a battery.

Does he believe what he's doing is revolutionary, or is he "just havin' a laff"?

My conventional training and experience may have blinded me to some deeper significance to what Gerard Morin is showing. If that's the case, then I'm happy for someone else to reveal it.

Maybe there's something significant hidden towards the end that I've missed. But I doubt it. Sorry to disappoint...

[Aurelius]

Aurelius, maybe I keep missing it, but I just do not find a comment about what plug. My common sense tells me any plug bc the plasma will travel to all of the places where electricity is flowing, even outside of the house, etc...I dont know Renan. But, I am sure I am missing the private teaching part. There are little pieces here and there not clear to me exposed when people ask me questions. I teach creative writing. When a student asks a question I can immediatly trace the question back to the fundamental and give the student an answer that creates an aha moment. I know writing that well. Not yet with plasma. I watch all of the workshops, sometimes several times, go back and re listen as I did today per your suggestion. Also go through various emotional responses, mixing my own wishes with the tech and then feeling elated or disappointed.

Hi Erich, apologies, I made a typo, corrected in red above

[Erich]

Aurelius, maybe I keep missing it, but I just do not find a comment about what plug. My common sense tells me any plug bc the plasma will travel to all of the places where electricity is flowing, even outside of the house, etc...I dont know Renan. But, I am sure I am missing the private teaching part. There are little pieces here and there not clear to me exposed when people ask me questions. I teach creative writing. When a student asks a question I can immediatly trace the question back to the fundamental and give the student an answer that creates an aha moment. I know writing that well. Not yet with plasma. I watch all of the workshops, sometimes several times, go back and re listen as I did today per your suggestion. Also go through various emotional responses, mixing my own wishes with the tech and then feeling elated or disappointed.

Hi Erich, apologies, I made a typo, corrected in red above

I think it is still kind of up in the air. Renan mentioned either or, but no detailed discussion. I cant imagine how it would matter. An electrical engineer is joing our little group on the 16th so these backwards compatibilith issues should be resolved or at least in development so to speak. Maybe the new memeber will discover something. Thais can be very creative. Sorry for the poor typing.

[Johnny]

UPS!! I can answer my own question about transmission the 16. I must have mist it:

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Here is also an interesting video with Caroline:

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Johnny :)

[Johnny]

Reminder:

83rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop on Thursday October 15th, 2015


http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/44050-83rd-knowledge-seekers-workshop-on-thursday-october-15th-2015

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

here is a link to another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85974-A-Conversation-with-Dan-Winter-about-Mr.-Keshe-and-Plasma-Science) related to Mr Keshe information

[Aurelius]

Hi everyone, as you all know, the Plasma power supply (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8xQUulafGw), unit get's released tomorrow (http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/43653-3rd-world-ambassadors-meeting-for-peace-in-rome-oct-16-2015) (Fri 16 Oct at 6pm CET, there will be a press release)

[Nick Matkin]

I'm just ploughing through a recent Steven Greer talk recorded in London in September 2015.

Has Keshe had any contact with him regarding 'free energy'?

Not sure what to make of Greer. He's certainly a self publicist (aren't they all) and prone to outrageous name-dropping claiming to have briefed presidents, etc. when he probably only sent an email.

Anyway, if there's anything to either Keshe or Greer, I'm assuming they at least know of each other. Does anyone know for sure?

[Johnny]

Here is the 83rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop on Thursday October 15th, 2015

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Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

I'm just ploughing through a recent Steven Greer talk recorded in London in September 2015.

Has Keshe had any contact with him regarding 'free energy'?

Not sure what to make of Greer. He's certainly a self publicist (aren't they all) and prone to outrageous name-dropping claiming to have briefed presidents, etc. when he probably only sent an email.

Anyway, if there's anything to either Keshe or Greer, I'm assuming they at least know of each other. Does anyone know for sure?

Hi Nick, No they don't know each other.

There's some strange business that happened with Greer and the Orion Project (funding for free energy devices), they raised a lot of funding, lot's of hype & the usual nothing to show. Do some digging and you'll find it. If i remember correctly, Gordon Novel was involved.

[Johnny]

There will be a transmission from Rome this evening (CET):

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/43653-3rd-world-ambassadors-meeting-for-peace-in-rome-oct-16-2015/page3

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

here is an ebook (http://tinyurl.com/oznt96s) available on Amazon (Japan) about the Keshe Foundation. You'll need to use the auto-translate capability in your web-browser (Google Chrome etc.) to be able to read the Japanese. Book title (approx translation): "Keshe Financial Group - God or the devil that holds the human race".

I haven't read this book, but hear it's full of dis-info.

[Aurelius]

There will be a transmission from Rome this evening (CET):

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/43653-3rd-world-ambassadors-meeting-for-peace-in-rome-oct-16-2015/page3

Johnny :)

the 16th Oct presentation (release of Plasma power supply unit) has been archived here (https://youtu.be/eqwxKwG93Hg)

[Johnny]

while we 'countdown' :) Here is a video (I am about 10 minutes into it now) very good, also for newbees


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Johnny :)

[Johnny]

For those who have been sleeping (the other side of the world):

The presentation is here: http://livestream.com/accounts/15210385/ambassadors

Johnny :)

edit: the link above is now for the Philippines meeting.

The Rome meeting is here:eqwxKwG93Hg

Johnny :)

[turiya]

From the 83rd Knowledge Seekers Video...
The interesting thing that I found is:

-What & how we allow a system like this to come into the markets so rapidly, you will find that units will change on a weekly or a monthly basis. You might get a version 1, but as with 'new' technology comes in, then a version 2 will be set as the main device.

-The present device is compact, weighs 900 grams.
Resistive power is set at 2 or 3 k/watts resistive capacity... it will be tested in production. You can have as much DC power as you like, but for higher resistive loads (electric heaters, etc), when the system is pushed up to 6-7 kw or more, the system automatically shuts down to cool.

-At the moment you have a DC source unit, when you put a higher resistive load onto it, it creates a "bottleneck" of plasma release (causing a backlog) of pressure which creates heat within the unit. The device will shut down to cool for half hour, maybe 1-2 hours. The system has this trap to protect the main home power system, because with the higher amount of plasma released (due to overloading), it will nano-coat the wiring system of the household much too fast, which will cause your home system to fail. The household system needs to be nano-coated at a much slower pace before being exposed to higher k/watts.

[This, I suppose, is why the device improves with its power output over time.]

[Aurelius]

From the 83rd Knowledge Seekers Video...
The interesting thing that I found is:

-What & how we allow a system like this to come into the markets so rapidly, you will find that units will change on a weekly or a monthly basis. You might get a version 1, but as with 'new' technology comes in, then a version 2 will be set as the main device.

-The present device is compact, weighs 900 grams.
Resistive power is set at 2 or 3 k/watts resistive capacity... it will be tested in production. You can have as much DC power as you like, but for higher resistive loads (electric heaters, etc), when the system is pushed up to 6-7 kw or more, the system automatically shuts down to cool.
>>the unit will offer DC & AC concurrently, also as different voltages concurrently.

-At the moment you have a DC source unit, when you put a higher resistive load onto it, it creates a "bottleneck" of plasma release (causing a backlog) of pressure which creates heat within the unit. The device will shut down to cool for half hour, maybe 1-2 hours. The system has this trap to protect the main home power system, because with the higher amount of plasma released (due to overloading), it will nano-coat the wiring system of the household much too fast, which will cause your home system to fail. The household system needs to be nano-coated at a much slower pace before being exposed to higher k/watts.
>>Another way of looking at this is as follows, if you listen to the reports made by individuals who have experienced ufo's (albeit an encounter / abduction etc.), there is no "heat" in the craft. ie. things don't get hot in the craft as a consequence of energy being used. in short, we have been using energy incorrectly for many hundreds of years. we have been using it inefficiently.

[This, I suppose, is why the device improves with its power output over time.]

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[Nick Matkin]

I thought the device being launched initially was simply plugged into the mains so you could draw 1 kW from the mains to power a 3kw device - putting it simply from post #392. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1008320&viewfull=1#post1008320)

Now we're told it has a DC output too. What use would 3 kW of DC be used for domestically, and how is the AC to DC rectification achieved in something weighing only 900g?

All this could be clarified and various misconceptions eliminated if only someone could post a link to the specifications - the sort of specifications supplied with any item one has to pay for. Could someone do that please?

Thanks. Nick

[Johnny]

I thought the device being launched initially was simply plugged into the mains so you could draw 1 kW from the mains to power a 3kw device - putting it simply from post #392. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1008320&viewfull=1#post1008320)

Now we're told it has a DC output too. What use would 3 kW of DC be used for domestically, and how is the AC to DC rectification achieved in something weighing only 900g?

All this could be clarified and various misconceptions eliminated if only someone could post a link to the specifications - the sort of specifications supplied with any item one has to pay for. Could someone do that please?

Thanks. Nick


DC output too

Who has told you that ????????????

In the Rome meeting it is explained. Start at 1:42:00

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And Nick, not to offend you, but I would really like to see your face when it is explained :beer::ROFL:

And please remark, there is a new version on the way :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

[Nick Matkin]

DC output too


Who has told you that ????????????

From turiya, post 426 above.



In the Rome meeting it is explained. Start at 1:42:00


And Nick, not to offend you, but I would really like to see your face when it is explained :beer::ROFL:

And please remark, there is a new version on the way :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

No offence taken :) It's just frustrating not to see a straightforward product demonstration and product information. To my untrained eye it looks like there might be something to hide.

It is not always necessary to explain how something works. Most people just want to know what it is capable of - its operating parameters if you like - and that information is normally released in a clear fashion before the product is launched, or at least at the same time. Doing that clears up any silly speculation and confusion, particularly for the non-technical and dare we say, idiot journalists.

I watched the video from the point you indicated. It looked to contain a lot of vague 'scientific' language, but I didn't detect much substance. Maybe it is just all above me. I hope that is the case.

Are the devices now out there in the public domain? Do we know who and how many people now have them? I really hope in the coming days and weeks there will be some clear feedback as to their efficacy.

There has been a lot of help to experimenters on this forum. Has anyone had any success?

[Johnny]

DC output too


Who has told you that ????????????

From turiya, post 426 above.




Sorry, I understood it as you had understood it, as there were 2 different outlets from the device.


but I didn't detect much substance

It should have given you the answers to your questions. Remember, it is NOT a mechanical device.


Are the devices now out there in the public domain?

In the video you will see the ambassadors (who attended) be given one each !

In 9 days (10 days yesterday) he will show what is inside the device, and as a understood it, give a teaching about it. I think he said the orders would be shipped in 9 days.


There has been a lot of help to experimenters on this forum. Has anyone had any success?

You can read Erich's post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85974-A-Conversation-with-Dan-Winter-about-Mr.-Keshe-and-Plasma-Science&p=1009356&viewfull=1#post1009356

Johnny :)

[Nick Matkin]

You can read Erich's post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1009356

Thanks. But that thread doesn't say one way or the other if anyone has actually produced any electricity. So, has anyone made any electricity using Keshe's voluminous instructions that he has demonstrated for many months?

From all the info already available, it's clear that this is not an electro-mechanical device. All I'd like to know are the device's technical specifications with respect to providing AC current for domestic use. Where is this available? I don't think that's an unreasonable request. After all, I and others reading this may like to buy one. Presumably that is why Keshe gave a price in euros.

Thanks.

Nick

[Johnny]

After all, I and others reading this may like to buy one. Presumably that is why Keshe gave a price in euros.

Thanks.

Nick

It should be possible for a housewife to make a device in her kitchen for free electrical energy for the household, for under 10 euros.

Be patient for a few weeks yet. It is as though you are most focused on free electrical energy.

I do not think it has dawned on most of what this 'technique' will mean for the world.

oil / uranium industry will go bankrupt.
electricity companies will go bankrupt.
pharmaceutical companies will go bankrupt.
companies like. Monsanto will go bankrupt.
aerospace and what belongs to will go bankrupt.
the auto industry will go bankrupt.
banks will go bankrupt.
etc etc.

Of course it will not happen over night.

During the transition time will at least Western governments do not know what is up and down.

I think you know the forces who are against Keshe Foundation. I do not think it really has dawned on those forces what it can produce.

You have an education to become broadcast electronics engineer (my first education was as a radio operator so I also have little knowledge of how radio signals are transmitted and received, but it was many years ago)

but what understanding of what you can do on plasma surpassed by a barber from Nigeria, and you could see his working device for free electrical energy in the 68th knowledge working shop (and also how it was done).

I have two friends who are trained engineers (respectively low current and high current), they laugh loud and noisy when I talk about free energy and I laugh with them, I told both of them who has the bragging rights,

and they approved it. I knew they would do that, that was why I laughed with them. :) The point is, they have both learned that free energy is impossible, that is why they will even not listen. They are convinced !!!!

And those who work in the above industries are convinced that the way they do it is the best, and there is no better way to do it. They will have a hard time understanding that there is no need for them any more

Johnny :)

edit: a mistake !!!

[turiya]

DC output too


Who has told you that ????????????

From turiya, post 426 above.


Please try to keep your feet on the ground, Nick.
At the top of my post, it said "from the 83rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1010551&viewfull=1#post1010551).
I get the feeling that you don't really care to look at any of these workshops. I know, at times, they are difficult to get through with all the dropouts of audio & video. But at least try to make an effort to correctly read what has been written.

[Nick Matkin]

DC output too


Who has told you that ????????????

From turiya, post 426 above.


Please try to keep your feet on the ground, Nick.
At the top of my post, it said "from the 83rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1010551&viewfull=1#post1010551).
I get the feeling that you don't really care to look at any of these workshops. I know, at times, they are difficult to get through with all the dropouts of audio & video. But at least try to make an effort to correctly read what has been written.

My apologies turiya. You're right, I didn't have time to view all the hours and hours of video. My bad. But by now I would have expected the fog to clear to reveal some succinct "nut-and-bolts" facts about the devices.

After all the pages of help here, on the Keshe website and presumably hours of experimentation, has anyone yet posted a positive result on this forum? Generated any useful current or made over unity power efficiencies in AC or DC?

I've got a decent workshop, test equipment, and plenty of uses for this device in my own life, but I'm very reluctant to invest time and money into a project for which I have not yet seen any unmistakeably positive results from the good folks on the forum, whom I believe are genuine and independent. If I've carelessly missed it, please tell me where to look.

Thanks.

[LindyLou22]

My biggest question is whether I'd be able to work it. I come from an era where my high school wouldn't allow girls to take electronics class, in spite of being a math and science major at that time. I can hardly follow the discussion here about nano-coating of wires and AC versus DC. Despite that, I was all set to buy one, had credit card ready. Thought it was a great deal at about $535 converted euros to dollars. However, when I got down to the payment, the deal had gone from 499 euros to 799 euros, claiming that not enough people had opted to pay tax. However, that's a lot more than the 21% tax that is asked for. I have to say the Keshe Foundation has a lot more faith than I do that those taxes would be used for the good of the people.

[Meggings]

My biggest question is whether I'd be able to work it. I come from an era where my high school wouldn't allow girls to take electronics class, in spite of being a math and science major at that time. I can hardly follow the discussion here about nano-coating of wires and AC versus DC. Despite that, I was all set to buy one, had credit card ready. Thought it was a great deal at about $535 converted euros to dollars. However, when I got down to the payment, the deal had gone from 499 euros to 799 euros, claiming that not enough people had opted to pay tax. However, that's a lot more than the 21% tax that is asked for. I have to say the Keshe Foundation has a lot more faith than I do that those taxes would be used for the good of the people.

LindyLou, was this recently that you attempted to purchase Keshe's Magrav Generator? I saw it was $499 Euro on Keshe's website, with the 21% tax and shipping extra. Do you suppose there's a slip up and the website price listed was not upgraded to the $800 Euro Mr. Keshe references in his talks this month?

Is there an email address for anyone at the Keshe Foundation who would have ability to answer the question of cost in English for us? Johnny, Aurelius, have you ever contacted anyone there successfully?

I looked into Keshe online and found this purported to be his statement made in April 18, 2014 (on this website http://pesn.com/2014/04/20/9602473_Mehran-Tavakoli-Keshe_Announces_He-is-Messiah/:

In My Name

I had to come in the body of the man on this planet and live amongst you the life of the man to understand the way the man has created his misery and so much injustice from the time of his creation for himself and for his fellow men to obtain and hold to nothing but the mirage of the nothingness for his so called life and its physical illusive possessions.

Where, we made all resources of the universe available to him to live in comfort and peace on this planet and among themselves in their time on this planet, that when they are mature intellectually and spiritually (in time the man matures enough), for the tribe of the man to join and unify with the rest of the creation of the creator in the universe.

In this process of maturity, the man chose the path of greed and injustice and killing of not just animals, but of his own kind, and now he has become falsely proud of how many he can kill with one tool and weapon or his false sense of power of control.

Killing and destruction of life has never been part of our teachings and works anywhere in the universe and this shall never be for race and nor shall be from now on this planet or anywhere else in the universe.

To change the course of the life of the man from this wrongful path, we have sent you in so many ways and different forms, different orders and guidance through our messengers of the past.

You have all ignored all our ways to correct your ways, and now you as the race of the man have reached a point that for every action you only think in one way and that is destruction and war.

Today and with this pen, I as the Messiah and I whom took his time to be amongst you, to learn about your shortfalls and false lives, for me to be able to understand your problems, I spent over 55 years with you, worked your ways to be able to help and guide you out of this life of the jungle of this planet, I call up on you to lay down all arms and all thoughts of greed and misconducts and killings.

I chose today to declare my position and status as the creator in the Soul and in the physical body of the man as I am and have chosen to be in, to be amongst you and call up on all the men of this Blue planet and the wild village of the earth, to accept my call for peace and to change your wrongful path, individually, and collectively as the human race for you to be able to live [in] paradise on earth and in the universe.

My call to you, the human race is simple, I have shown you in the past 9 years how to satisfy all your earthly needs with simple methods, and I have written books in simple language that all can understand the principles of the creation as is and not as man has made it to be.

I have shown you how to make food from the air, and I have shown you how to create energy and motion using the same systems and knowledge, that through the creation and production of these needs of the man, one does not harm any creation of mine and that he can live in peace and tranquility amongst the rest of this planets' beings and in the universal community that the men are ready to enter into.

Now; my call goes today (the time of the killing of the son of God) to all men and women and children of this planet, that to halt all these madness of the brain of the man of killing and destruction as a solution to solve and attain earthly and others possessions, and for the Man to lay down all tools of destruction and murder, irrespective of who you are, which religion leader you are the leaders of or which religion and path of belief you follow, and which sector of this planet you think you are the ruler of or you live in.

The job of you, the religious leaders is to guide the man to peace and prosperity, and not to make palaces of shame and dishonesty and protecting those whom have done wrong to other fellow men.

It is our command and wish that you as religious, nations and tribes leaders of regions, nations and cults, first to order as of today for the men whom follow our command through your Churches and Mosques or temples and armies to lay down their arms, and as of today to be of the greatest of sins for any man to be trained or to carry or to be forced the use of any arms, that through this tool and through your guidance, it is to be forbidding the use of killing tools that the man finds new ways and the logical ways of finding peaceful solution for himself and his race, at the time when he does not agree with the given condition.

I do not offer you a reward for following this command, as this is our wish and our wish shall be adhered to with our work through the souls of the men, but in reality in doing so, man will allow himself to enter the universal community, which the greed and the war has no meaning, and with this act, then man can have and will live a life of happiness and fulfillment according to his intelligence and needs anywhere he might be in the universe.

So I call on this day to the world, religious and scientific leaders, to come together and sign the universe peace treaty, which we have sent out to mankind as prelude to this days' declaration in the past two years and with this, signing themselves and their nation and followers to accept this treaty and put an end to all wars and acts of aggression and killing, which have been going on for thousands of years on this planet.

The time of punishment and reward to force the man to submission to go in the right path in his life is over, from this point on, it is the decision of each soul to decide on one path, and that is the path of peace and tranquility and fairness.

If not done so from this day on, and if the leaders of this planet be it religious, tribal or nations refuse to follow this command, your follower rejection of our will, shall lead you to demise of your followers and your nation, and finally I shall make from the man the tribe with the belief in one point and that is one nation on this planet, and the one belief that there shall be no more war.

There are no lines on the ground of this planet or anywhere in the universe to separate races and creations from each other, that with this unity for all men leaves him not only as one body but as one nation and as one creation and one creator to live his life in the universe in peace.

You as children of Adam have suffered enough in the hand of your own wrong doings and others, and now you receive the love of your creator to guide you and protect you in this short path of adjustment and reunion with the rest of the creations in the world of creation. Those whom shall reject my wish, they shall see to their own demise through their rejection by their own fellow men, whom understand the reality of the creation and this wish.

Those who follow our simple command and enter the universal order; they shall see the beauty of the creation with their own conscious and some with their own physical eyes. My love and gratitude to all men and I being so sorry to let you to suffer so long without intervention to help you, but in fact you needed this time in the nursery of the earth to learn and mature.

Now it is the time to guide you and unite this child of the Adam and his family to the rest of the family of the universe and as a perfect child and a peaceful and loving child who is ready to enter the Kingdome of the creators' larger family. I welcome you as the creator into your true dimension of intelligence and love.

Mehran

(The possessor of love)

[LindyLou22]

Hi Meggings!

Yes, I was ready to purchase one this past week after his presentation in Italy. It's a few clicks in toward putting it into your cart. Here's what it says:


From orders received so far, less than 10% have taken the opportunity to donate. As per Mr. Keshe instructions, the price has changed to 799.99EUR, to make the donation mandentory. You must fill in the donation location on the top of the page. This is to support your own governments in the transition to the new technology.

Some assembly required!

Donation:
Must be selected.
300 EUR DONATION
Contribution Location

Price: 499.99 EUR
plus 21 % TAX plus shipping
Delivery time: Europe: within 30 working days. Other continents: within 30 working days. Worldwide: 90 Days Delivery on all Magrav-Power Systems (universal and car)


Wow, I don't know what to think about this Messiah claim. It's hard enough to sort out programming versus real intuition. I've been hearing about this kind of device, and now that it's here it seems too good to be true. So hard to trust, so many reasons not to believe. Thich Nhat Hahn was more my concept of a Messiah, but who knows?

Thanks Meggings for an extremely thought provoking bit of new info that will keep me puzzling tonight.

[Erich]

DC output too


Who has told you that ????????????

From turiya, post 426 above.


Please try to keep your feet on the ground, Nick.
At the top of my post, it said "from the 83rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1010551&viewfull=1#post1010551).
I get the feeling that you don't really care to look at any of these workshops. I know, at times, they are difficult to get through with all the dropouts of audio & video. But at least try to make an effort to correctly read what has been written.

My apologies turiya. You're right, I didn't have time to view all the hours and hours of video. My bad. But by now I would have expected the fog to clear to reveal some succinct "nut-and-bolts" facts about the devices.

After all the pages of help here, on the Keshe website and presumably hours of experimentation, has anyone yet posted a positive result on this forum? Generated any useful current or made over unity power efficiencies in AC or DC?

I've got a decent workshop, test equipment, and plenty of uses for this device in my own life, but I'm very reluctant to invest time and money into a project for which I have not yet seen any unmistakeably positive results from the good folks on the forum, whom I believe are genuine and independent. If I've carelessly missed it, please tell me where to look.

Thanks.

Nick, if you join the diff. groups, watch the workshops, get the names, a group of people emerge that seem most interested in energy and have produced many amazing results. You would need to contact and work with this group. As you become more familiar with the people using the tech we branch out in different directions based on interest. I am not interested in electricity, per se, because I never learned it and don't care to. I just wait for the people who are good at it to share what they learn. I do the same with what I like to study and test, etc...

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My biggest question is whether I'd be able to work it. I come from an era where my high school wouldn't allow girls to take electronics class, in spite of being a math and science major at that time. I can hardly follow the discussion here about nano-coating of wires and AC versus DC. Despite that, I was all set to buy one, had credit card ready. Thought it was a great deal at about $535 converted euros to dollars. However, when I got down to the payment, the deal had gone from 499 euros to 799 euros, claiming that not enough people had opted to pay tax. However, that's a lot more than the 21% tax that is asked for. I have to say the Keshe Foundation has a lot more faith than I do that those taxes would be used for the good of the people.

Don't buy anything yet, Lindy. Make gans, learn nano coating, make a few of the simple devices. When the plans for electricity come out you will understand them. Watch the children's workshops. It's easy. Be patient as you can! (From someone who is not very patient.)........

[TargeT]

Be patient for a few weeks yet. It is as though you are most focused on free electrical energy.

I do not think it has dawned on most of what this 'technique' will mean for the world.


Oh, it dawned on me, several years ago when these same promises were made.


I can't wait to see the device that puts out AC and DC concurrently with 3-7kw of power from a 900g device. If its real I'll be the first one to get my hands on one.

So far, what I've seen is a lot of techniques used by other "free energy" scammers.

the only difference is that I agree with the basic Premise of Keshe, I think what he says he can do is very doable... I just doubt he's done it.


PLEASE prove me wrong, lets see some data, lets see some testing, lets see anything?


I am not interested in electricity, per se, because I never learned it and don't care to. I just wait for the people who are good at it to share what they learn. I do the same with what I like to study and test, etc....

and yet you are whole heatedly backing something you don't understand even the basic concept of... hmm do you see how the above completely invalidates your input on this topic?

I'm in the middle of a (forever it seems) solar install, I've got to learn a lot about DC and AC and the conversion between the two (inverter) the efficiency losses etc.. I'm learning from a conventional standpoint that is really interesting when mixed whith what I've learned from E. Dollard about the di-electric "phenomenon".

Basically: it's very likely that "electricity" (which you seem not to care about) is the driving force behind every celestial phenomenon we see, that our entire world is a wash with latent energy (call it "electricity" if you will) and this is probably one of the most important subjects you could study.

[Nick Matkin]

Be patient for a few weeks yet. It is as though you are most focused on free electrical energy.

I do not think it has dawned on most of what this 'technique' will mean for the world.


Oh, it dawned on me, several years ago when these same promises were made.


I can't wait to see the device that puts out AC and DC concurrently with 3-7kw of power from a 900g device. If its real I'll be the first one to get my hands on one.

So far, what I've seen is a lot of techniques used by other "free energy" scammers.

the only difference is that I agree with the basic Premise of Keshe, I think what he says he can do is very doable... I just doubt he's done it.


PLEASE prove me wrong, lets see some data, lets see some testing, lets see anything?

Yes. Lots of nails hit on lots of heads there!

[Meggings]

TargeT wrote: "I'm in the middle of a (forever it seems) solar install, I've got to learn a lot about DC and AC and the conversion between the two (inverter) the efficiency losses etc.. I'm learning from a conventional standpoint that is really interesting when mixed whith what I've learned from E. Dollard about the di-electric "phenomenon". "

I've spent hours asking questions and listening to someone who understands current, voltage, amperage, AC and DC inverters - and it seems NOT SIMPLE to get one of Keshe's magrav generators, buy an inverter to change Keshe's "unlimited amperage DC" into something useable in an AC appliance household.

My heart and soul believe that what Keshe says and promises is possible. The lack of working devices, the years of promises, the confusion in listening to hours of Keshe you tubes, and the disheartening "forced donation" LindyLou discovered on the Keshe website this past week - well, these things are disheartening.

I am heartened by Erich's experience with the soil. I have friends who have vastly increased the mycelium in soil and thereby its life-supporting ability, using ormus, using "concentrated sea water" form of ormus - which sounds similar to what Erich recounts above.

I am not unduly concerned by the "In His Name" statement issued by Keshe a year and a half ago. There are what I term "high souls" in bodies on earth helping. Tesla was one of these, and Keshe could well be another one. Indeed, I have often wondered how Keshe stays ALIVE and does not succumb to attack by dark forces. The tiniest thought thread wafted by wondering if he is misleading us on purpose?

So as things stand, we are in "wait mode" still, until the price for this magrav unit comes down enough for poor people to buy one and use?

[Erich]

I am advocatingmthe technology which has many other applications in addition to energy. And Target, I care even less about what you think.

[aviators]

Updated my post on page 7 # 127
Here is Mark's latest progress
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[Xanth]

TargeT wrote: "I'm in the middle of a (forever it seems) solar install, I've got to learn a lot about DC and AC and the conversion between the two (inverter) the efficiency losses etc.. I'm learning from a conventional standpoint that is really interesting when mixed whith what I've learned from E. Dollard about the di-electric "phenomenon". "


So as things stand, we are in "wait mode" still, until the price for this magrav unit comes down enough for poor people to buy one and use?

My understanding of the pricing and 'donations' is that the people who can afford a unit pay so that poor people can get units for free. Also as far as distributing units to the poor is concerned my understanding is that its will likely happen first in parts of Africa, rather than 1st world nations.

[TargeT]

Updated my post on page 7 # 127
Here is Mark's latest progress
xrBUoxLbg9c


Well he just showed everything my intuition was telling me, bravo for him.. subscribe to his channel & support what he's doing (as easy as viewing his video and clicking the adds that pop up); we need more "doers" to show the "talkers" what reality is about.


Spinning zinc oxide in a ball = plasma reactor?

uh. ok?

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[jaybee]

Well he just showed everything my intuition was telling me, bravo for him.. subscribe to his channel & support what he's doing (as easy as viewing his video and clicking the adds that pop up); we need more "doers" to show the "talkers" what reality is about.


Spinning zinc oxide in a ball = plasma reactor?

uh. ok?


perhaps you should start a thread to further worship your hero, Target..? :)

That guy is not unbiased - he wasn't from the beginning (first video) but then tried to modify his comments because when he finally trashed Keshe...which he was always going to do - his 'results' would be accepted more willingly if he pretended to be all fair and scientific...

His language betrays his cynical and biased attitude..for example at the beginning of this latest video being rude to people who had tried to help him with the experiments by calling them 'apostles'... and later referring to supporters in general as Keshe 'faithful worshippers' .... (THAT by the way is why I said about worshipping your hero in my opening sentence...to show how easy it is to put someone down in this way...)...

The cynicism and bias oozing out of the experimenter told us all we needed to know about him and how far we can trust him...

you know..there is no way he would ever have shown supportive results and data - I wouldn't even put it passed him to hide positive results or falsify them in some way -

I also noticed that both the videos posted had the same kind of music in them -that is there specifically to take the p***

for example -

1. when he was demonstrating part of the process in the first video...like...oh how funny and silly it all is doing this.. (around 8 mins)

and in the 2nd video posted..

2. when Keshe is saying something...to show how funny and silly we should think he is... oh how we laugh at silly people like that and the silly people who believe him and his work -

(((the sub text being...but you're not silly to believe any of it..ARE YOU?)))


It looks like making the Keshe Foundation look like some kind of cult that people follow blindly is the main thrust of these two Hit Pieces...

And the music is there to take the p*** on a more subliminal level if you aren't aware of how it is being used...


In a way it's heartening that some real effort is being made to trash Keshe and his work and the people who are interested in what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve,.. ..as the whole thing is hotting up with what happened on the 16th in Rome..

so here's a cynical clap for you....:clapping:

and I hope you enjoyed my response..

:)


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[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSwZ2Y0Ops

The Lexus Hoverboard uses magnetic levitation to achieve amazing frictionless movement. Liquid nitrogen cooled superconductors and permanent magnets combine to allow Lexus to create the impossible

I haven't had time to check if Toyota's patent on the mechanics behind this anti gravity device is available yet...

[animovado]

The Hoverboard isn't exactly the anti gravity device we would like to see.
Here's the making of:

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:focus:

[jaybee]

After all, I and others reading this may like to buy one. Presumably that is why Keshe gave a price in euros.

Thanks.

Nick

It should be possible for a housewife to make a device in her kitchen for free electrical energy for the household, for under 10 euros.

Be patient for a few weeks yet. It is as though you are most focused on free electrical energy.

I do not think it has dawned on most of what this 'technique' will mean for the world.

oil / uranium industry will go bankrupt.
electricity companies will go bankrupt.
pharmaceutical companies will go bankrupt.
companies like. Monsanto will go bankrupt.
aerospace and what belongs to will go bankrupt.
the auto industry will go bankrupt.
banks will go bankrupt.
etc etc.

Of course it will not happen over night.

During the transition time will at least Western governments do not know what is up and down.

I think you know the forces who are against Keshe Foundation. I do not think it really has dawned on those forces what it can produce.

You have an education to become broadcast electronics engineer (my first education was as a radio operator so I also have little knowledge of how radio signals are transmitted and received, but it was many years ago)

but what understanding of what you can do on plasma surpassed by a barber from Nigeria, and you could see his working device for free electrical energy in the 68th knowledge working shop (and also how it was done).

I have two friends who are trained engineers (respectively low current and high current), they laugh loud and noisy when I talk about free energy and I laugh with them, I told both of them who has the bragging rights,

and they approved it. I knew they would do that, that was why I laughed with them. :) The point is, they have both learned that free energy is impossible, that is why they will even not listen. They are convinced !!!!

And those who work in the above industries are convinced that the way they do it is the best, and there is no better way to do it. They will have a hard time understanding that there is no need for them any more

Johnny :)

edit: a mistake !!!


re what you said above about it all not happening overnight and there being a transition time - I think the transition time could be as long as 40 or 50 years... or even longer than that - a hundred years maybe (note to self~~ reincarnate when the world is a very different place and this kind of technology has transformed society and space travel from the domination of scarcity and elitism to general availability) ~ :sun: ~

It will take a long time IMO because of how radical it is and the effects on economies and employment - but everything has to start somewhere and there is already a lot of developments using nano materials and graphene ... I was listening to something on the radio as I was driving home today about Ada Lovelace and how she was one of the first on record to understand what might be coming with regards to a 'Thinking Machine' around a couple of hundred years ago - and now the computer is widespread and has changed the world - and we accept it as everyday life -

it seems to me like it will be a natural progression for technology to take but people will have to adjust to it all and this will take a bit of time -

:thumb:

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[jaybee]

TargeT wrote: "I'm in the middle of a (forever it seems) solar install, I've got to learn a lot about DC and AC and the conversion between the two (inverter) the efficiency losses etc.. I'm learning from a conventional standpoint that is really interesting when mixed whith what I've learned from E. Dollard about the di-electric "phenomenon". "


So as things stand, we are in "wait mode" still, until the price for this magrav unit comes down enough for poor people to buy one and use?

My understanding of the pricing and 'donations' is that the people who can afford a unit pay so that poor people can get units for free. Also as far as distributing units to the poor is concerned my understanding is that its will likely happen first in parts of Africa, rather than 1st world nations.


This is my understanding as well - Keshe does a bit explaining about the pricing in the October 16th Rome presentation, if I remember right..I will have a look for it some time soon -

For myself I'm in no hurry - I am happy to be doing what I'm doing with it all at the moment and learning as I go along - taking it at my own pace -

Heaven knows there are people that need it more than me at the moment and people who can afford to buy it more than I can....

Keshe has spoken about something (one of the things) that has inspired him to create the foundation and do the work and the sharing that he does... and it's a sad story about when he was in Africa on one occasion (I think he's been there a lot over the years?) and there was a child that was dying of starvation and the person Keshe was with told him not to give the child any food because it would kill them because their insides and digestive system had shriveled up and shrank - and then the child died of starvation anyway (because I suppose it had all gone too far to save them) and he (Keshe) decided he wanted to do what he could to improve the situation..

mmmmm I wonder if Bob Geldof has heard about the Keshe Foundation's work yet -



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[jaybee]

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84th Knowledge Seekers Workshop live now - link can be found here..

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/44405-84th-knowledge-seekers-workshop-on-thursday-october-22nd-2015


At the moment Keshe is talking about the release of the technology, pricing, sharing etc..

And the coming release of the blueprint..

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[aranuk]

Last night as I was syphoning off water from my first ever gans I knocked over the jar and fried my laptop.

Stan

[Johnny]

Is there an email address for anyone at the Keshe Foundation who would have ability to answer the question of cost in English for us? Johnny, Aurelius, have you ever contacted anyone there successfully?



I bought the three books. I figured it would take 3-5 days (just like Amazon) as I remember it took over one month. ! BUT it's not any ordinary online store. I once asked a question on their forum page,

I got the answer a few days later in a workshop, but not from their forum. I think their forum is a mess, there is no management at it, but I also think we are just very pampered here in PA.

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

Be patient for a few weeks yet. It is as though you are most focused on free electrical energy.

I do not think it has dawned on most of what this 'technique' will mean for the world.


Oh, it dawned on me, several years ago when these same promises were made.


I can't wait to see the device that puts out AC and DC concurrently with 3-7kw of power from a 900g device. If its real I'll be the first one to get my hands on one.



No, you will not be the first to get your hands on it, you want to see it in function first! ( OK I'm a bit literal here :) )

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

Updated my post on page 7 # 127
Here is Mark's latest progress
xrBUoxLbg9c

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer

I do not understand why he fill the ping balls up with gans, never seen that before.


Johnny :)

[Johnny]

I haven't had time to check if Toyota's patent on the mechanics behind this anti gravity device is available yet...

It does not matter, it is out of day !! :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

re what you said above about it all not happening overnight and there being a transition time - I think the transition time could be as long as 40 or 50 years... or even longer than that - a hundred years maybe (note to self~~ reincarnate when the world is a very different place and this kind of technology has transformed society and space travel from the domination of scarcity and elitism to general availability) ~ :sun: ~

It will take a long time IMO because of how radical it is and the effects on economies and employment - but everything has to start somewhere and there is already a lot of developments using nano materials and graphene ... I was listening to something on the radio as I was driving home today about Ada Lovelace and how she was one of the first on record to understand what might be coming with regards to a 'Thinking Machine' around a couple of hundred years ago - and now the computer is widespread and has changed the world - and we accept it as everyday life -

it seems to me like it will be a natural progression for technology to take but people will have to adjust to it all and this will take a bit of time -

:thumb:

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(note to self~~ reincarnate when the world is a very different place and this kind of technology has transformed society and space travel from the domination of scarcity and elitism to general availability) ~ :sun: ~

LOL !!! Are you in a future life now ?? :sun: And if not, what did you say the last time ?? :ROFL::flower:


I was listening to something on the radio as I was driving home today about Ada Lovelace and how she was one of the first on record to understand what might be coming with regards to a 'Thinking Machine'

around a couple of hundred years ago - and now the computer is widespread and has changed the world - and we accept it as everyday life -

Tell me about it, I started in IT business in 1968, must of the time I was IT programmer, with a love and a passion for dynamic programming, so the dynamics of plasma technology suits me fine, but to tell other people

(so they understand it) what dynamic programming is, is nearly impossible, so to tell people about the dynamics of plasma technology it will be a nightmare. But on the other hand: I attended a birthday party last Tuesday.

there was a woman who throughout his life have been kindergarten teacher, I told her about Keshe's free energy (and only that part), she understood it right away, while her husband, who had been a teacher for life

did not understand it completely, but of course was very interested, it could have been much worse :cocktail:

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

Last night as I was syphoning off water from my first ever gans I knocked over the jar and fried my laptop.

Stan

Use plastic Stan, or did I not understand it ??? Sorry to hear about your accident.

Johnny :)

[turiya]

Is there an email address for anyone at the Keshe Foundation who would have ability to answer the question of cost in English for us? Johnny, Aurelius, have you ever contacted anyone there successfully?


The following link will take you to the forum page entitled "Contact Us": http://forum.keshefoundation.org/contact-us
Fill out the form & enter your question.

It took me just a couple days to receive a reply.
However, imo, the situation with the product & website is in a constant flux - as things are changing at all times... Since Keshe is in the drivers seat, the Forum Webmaster will probably refer you either to the product page or to watch the Knowledge Seekers Videos for more recent information.


84th Knowledge Seekers Wrkshop Excerpt
(7:21 minutes)
Product Distribution Plan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0edCODOGvVk

So, under this new plan, it seems you are able to get with a few friends and together purchase 2-3 units at the one price.

[Johnny]

A man with a new (one week old) passion. I'm really impressed !!

pnc2Ehp5dzs

I have not seen the flying car yet, bet the rest .............

Johnny :)

[TargeT]

Last night as I was syphoning off water from my first ever gans I knocked over the jar and fried my laptop.

Stan

First documented reaction from Keshe technology I've heard of, Bravo!




perhaps you should start a thread to further worship your hero, Target..? :)

so here's a cynical clap for you....:clapping:

and I hope you enjoyed my response..
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I already did!

Andri Rossi has created a functional (aka: real) LENR devise that actual tests have been done on (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59376-Third-Party-E-Cat-Test-Results-Published--Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device-). The E-cat is the only devise that has an actual future ahead of it (based on my opinion and countless hours of research.)


Where and how you spend your energy is important. Blind faith benefits almost no one (especially not the believer).


BTW, passive aggressiveness is better done by children, I have 6 so I know ;)

[Johnny]

I already did!

Andri Rossi has created a functional (aka: real) LENR devise that actual tests have been done on (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59376-Third-Party-E-Cat-Test-Results-Published--Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device-). The E-cat is the only devise that has an actual future ahead of it (based on my opinion and countless hours of research.)


Where and how you spend your energy is important. Blind faith benefits almost no one (especially not the believer).


BTW, passive aggressiveness is better done by children, I have 6 so I know ;)

WAUWWW !!! I see they already have a store for their products : http://store.e-catworld.com/ :rolleyes:

Why is your Andrea Rossi thread dead (or nearly) ? The last update is 3rd February 2014.

Johnny :)

[TargeT]

I already did!

Andri Rossi has created a functional (aka: real) LENR devise that actual tests have been done on (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59376-Third-Party-E-Cat-Test-Results-Published--Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device-). The E-cat is the only devise that has an actual future ahead of it (based on my opinion and countless hours of research.)


Where and how you spend your energy is important. Blind faith benefits almost no one (especially not the believer).


BTW, passive aggressiveness is better done by children, I have 6 so I know ;)

WAUWWW !!! I see they already have a store for their products : http://store.e-catworld.com/ :rolleyes:

Why is your Andrea Rossi thread dead (or nearly) ? The last update is 3rd February 2014.

Johnny :)
Yes, "e-cat world" (a fan site of the technology that updates it's readers on current news) does have a store, your 5 seconds on google paid off!

I haven't updated the thread, I don't feel it's needed...I put the info out, and the torch has been passed on... True Idea's don't need 24x7 champions, and most people on this forum are familiar with the search button (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1012132&viewfull=1#post1012132). beside's that's Avalon's thread, not mine.

[jaybee]

A man with a new (one week old) passion. I'm really impressed !!

pnc2Ehp5dzs

I have not seen the flying car yet, bet the rest .............

Johnny :)


thanks for that Johnny -

now - I'm hesitating to say this but I'm going to say it anyway -


The Keshe Foundation has had to change it's logo because of a copyright issue - something to do with a man who was involved with the KF and is saying that it is his intellectual property... in my mind this is basically - - - shenanigans -

This might be an annoying issue for the Foundation at some point and a way to try and weaken it - it's obvious that there are going to be dirty tricks in the pipeline directed at the KF to misdirect attention, soak up time and energy that could otherwise be spent on sharing the knowledge etc etc - and what better way than to get key players entangled in a legal issue -

That kind of shenanigans was used when the Boyd Bushman near death disclosure video was released back at the end of 2014 - the views were going up by the thousands every day and topping a million in no time at all - all the different internet sites were using the video - then - then suddenly the main video was taken off and the screen said - something like ... this has been removed due to copyright issues claimed by Christopher Mooney..........

No one ever knew who this Christopher Mooney really was - at some point it was changed to Chris Mooney - he was saying that the video was his as he had filmed it - don't know if it was ever pinned down whether this was straight forward BS or if someone had made sure they were involved so they could cause problems at a later date - a kind of preemptive PSYOPS thingy...

consequently on all the internet sites the video was now blank - successful damage limitation by....the 'secret-keepers'...

bear with me this is going somewhere... :)

so the person who was involved in the KF in the past and has claimed the logo is their intellectual property could be poised (as part of a coordinated effort) to get stuff removed from all over the internet in a similar damage limitation type thing -

I suppose I am just drawing attention to something that could come up in the future to try and damage the Foundation and it's work -

A 'heads up' if you like (as they say over the pond :)...


Thank you ~ I've got that off my chest and normal services can now be resumed

;)

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[jaybee]

Last night as I was syphoning off water from my first ever gans I knocked over the jar and fried my laptop.

Stan

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

don't you just hate it when you fry your laptop with GANS water -:wink:

but seriously - hope it didn't do permanent damage -

I've got a couple of nano coated copper coils that I chuck on the top of my laptop when it's on the table (well to be more precise - I lift them up with a pen and place them on the top of the laptop in a position where I don't need to touch the keyboard) :)

This is in the hope that it might help with the performance which often leaves a lot to be desired

Well you see that people stick nano coated coils onto their car batteries and in other places on the engine to try and improve performance so I thought the plasma magnetic / gravitational field might help.... (????)

actually I might start putting a small nano coated spiral on as well - even a little (sealed) pot of GANS... :idea:

perhaps take the spirals off for a bit if it gets a bit cramped for actual typing : )

.

[jaybee]

I was listening to something on the radio as I was driving home today about Ada Lovelace and how she was one of the first on record to understand what might be coming with regards to a 'Thinking Machine'

around a couple of hundred years ago - and now the computer is widespread and has changed the world - and we accept it as everyday life -

Tell me about it, I started in IT business in 1968, must of the time I was IT programmer, with a love and a passion for dynamic programming, so the dynamics of plasma technology suits me fine, but to tell other people

(so they understand it) what dynamic programming is, is nearly impossible, so to tell people about the dynamics of plasma technology it will be a nightmare. But on the other hand: I attended a birthday party last Tuesday.

there was a woman who throughout his life have been kindergarten teacher, I told her about Keshe's free energy (and only that part), she understood it right away, while her husband, who had been a teacher for life

did not understand it completely, but of course was very interested, it could have been much worse :cocktail:

Johnny :)


Oh yeah - the dreaded.................''''talking about it''''''' ........ to people face to face who haven't heard anything about it before ...:ROFL:


I really need more practice with that as the opportunity doesn't naturally arise very often - and I don't like to force it because if people aren't ready to engage or take it in they won't (IMO)

Then comes the question sometimes - 'oh will it be on the news'.........'ummmm no, the main news channels won't touch it with a barge pole...'

then you can easily come across as a paranoid conspiracy nut haha



LOL !!! Are you in a future life now ?? :sun: And if not, what did you say the last time ?? :ROFL::flower:

Last time I was probably lace making or darning by candle light and saying ... 'sod
this for a lark next time I will make sure I reincarnate when we all have electricity and light bulbs' - : )


:waving:


.

[Johnny]

I already did!

Andri Rossi has created a functional (aka: real) LENR devise that actual tests have been done on (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59376-Third-Party-E-Cat-Test-Results-Published--Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device-). The E-cat is the only devise that has an actual future ahead of it (based on my opinion and countless hours of research.)


Where and how you spend your energy is important. Blind faith benefits almost no one (especially not the believer).


BTW, passive aggressiveness is better done by children, I have 6 so I know ;)

WAUWWW !!! I see they already have a store for their products : http://store.e-catworld.com/ :rolleyes:

Why is your Andrea Rossi thread dead (or nearly) ? The last update is 3rd February 2014.

Johnny :)
Yes, "e-cat world" (a fan site of the technology that updates it's readers on current news) does have a store, your 5 seconds on google paid off!

I haven't updated the thread, I don't feel it's needed...I put the info out, and the torch has been passed on... True Idea's don't need 24x7 champions, and most people on this forum are familiar with the search button (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1012132&viewfull=1#post1012132). beside's that's Avalon's thread, not mine.

You get avalon sound like it is Facebook, but let me rephrase my statement, you are the original poster of the thread.

BTW I like this: http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/01/rossi-setting-up-a-make-materials-that-dont-exist-lab/

Johnny :)

[amor]

Until Keshe hires a scientist who speaks and writes english well, I will not waste 10 hours on his material as I have done in the past, only to pass it by as jibberish.

[Johnny]

A man with a new (one week old) passion. I'm really impressed !!

I have not seen the flying car yet, bet the rest .............

Johnny :)


thanks for that Johnny -

now - I'm hesitating to say this but I'm going to say it anyway -


The Keshe Foundation has had to change it's logo because of a copyright issue - something to do with a man who was involved with the KF and is saying that it is his intellectual property... in my mind this is basically - - - shenanigans -

This might be an annoying issue for the Foundation at some point and a way to try and weaken it - it's obvious that there are going to be dirty tricks in the pipeline directed at the KF to misdirect attention, soak up time and energy that could otherwise be spent on sharing the knowledge etc etc - and what better way than to get key players entangled in a legal issue -

That kind of shenanigans was used when the Boyd Bushman near death disclosure video was released back at the end of 2014 - the views were going up by the thousands every day and topping a million in no time at all - all the different internet sites were using the video - then - then suddenly the main video was taken off and the screen said - something like ... this has been removed due to copyright issues claimed by Christopher Mooney..........

No one ever knew who this Christopher Mooney really was - at some point it was changed to Chris Mooney - he was saying that the video was his as he had filmed it - don't know if it was ever pinned down whether this was straight forward BS or if someone had made sure they were involved so they could cause problems at a later date - a kind of preemptive PSYOPS thingy...

consequently on all the internet sites the video was now blank - successful damage limitation by....the 'secret-keepers'...

bear with me this is going somewhere... :)

so the person who was involved in the KF in the past and has claimed the logo is their intellectual property could be poised (as part of a coordinated effort) to get stuff removed from all over the internet in a similar damage limitation type thing -

I suppose I am just drawing attention to something that could come up in the future to try and damage the Foundation and it's work -

A 'heads up' if you like (as they say over the pond :)...


Thank you ~ I've got that off my chest and normal services can now be resumed

;)

.

As I understood and remember it was due to Sterling Allan (from PESN) had admitted publicly that he liked to look at naked pictures of children. Said he should have admitted it, then not be able to blackmail him with it.

It became Keshe to rush into a rage and blame the whole Sterling Allan's IT network to be a pedophile ring. The man from Canada who had made the logo felt it was too much.

There are probably many degrees of pedophilia (without in any way defend it) but most pedophiles, if not all, have themselves been abused as children.


I suppose I am just drawing attention to something that could come up in the future to try and damage the Foundation and it's work -

No, 'they' are completely capable of doing it (try to do it) without our help !!!!


Thank you ~ I've got that off my chest and normal services can now be resumed You are welcome !

Johnny :)

PS: -edit- I found this: http://pesn.com/2015/09/12/9602658_Keshe-Foundation_being-devastated_by_Logo-Copyright_retraction_by_slandered-founder-Dirk-Laureyssens/

[Johnny]

Until Keshe hires a scientist who speaks and writes english well, I will not waste 10 hours on his material as I have done in the past, only to pass it by as jibberish.

Did you mean: gibberish. ???

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

OK :focus: shall we !!!

Johnny :)

[beathoven]

Keshes Magravs Power 2-3 KW power generator release party for ambassadors was a week ago 16/10. The unit was demonstrated with some power tools.

There is a Youtube video of the event. Keshe Foundation Spaceship Institution Youtube site https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtQzN7XLiLvTpyUnQAa1mRw

More about the unit :
Starting at 10:00 am CET Monday Oct 26 2015, on all weekday mornings, and at 2 pm CET weekday afternoons through Friday Oct 30 2015.

Livestreaming at:

https://livestream.com/accounts/15210385/blueprint

At Zoom Meeting (when live):

https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503

YouTube live as well:

http://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live


(Links are updated) (Time is CET)

Kind regards,
beathoven

[Johnny]

Hi beathoven.

Do you know what time on the day it will start ??

Johnny :)

PS: welcome to Avalon !!

[jaybee]

OK :focus: shall we !!!

Johnny :)


yes let's...............:sun:


big week for the Keshe Foundation coming up and here's a little song to raise the energy a bit in preparation......:Party:


I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives
This is our lives on holiday

F-0181BJwY0


oh yeah


.

[beathoven]

Thanks Johnny, I´ve been lurking around here for couple of years.

Updated the post with start time.

[Johnny]

Thanks Johnny, I´ve been lurking around here for couple of years.

Updated the post with start time.

Yes, I could see that, but now you are at your post # 7 :sun:

Thanks for the update.

Johnny :)

[TargeT]

You get avalon sound like it is Facebook, but let me rephrase my statement, you are the original poster of the thread.

BTW I like this: http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/01/rossi-setting-up-a-make-materials-that-dont-exist-lab/

Johnny :)

I don't have face book so I'm not quite sure what you meant (plus I'm not sure what you were going for grammatically there, did you mean "get" like "comprehend"? was there a word or two missing there?)

Rossi pushing for a "makers lab" doesn't surprise me, these things are popping up ALL OVER (just google "maker"; it's a genius idea which (if I were independently wealthy) I would follow and open a maker store in my local community) the world right now, though mostly focused on leveraging known materials, a Lab that focuses on material science would be highly beneficial!

Rossi is actually doing quite a bit & has been for years now.... This thread is about Keshe however, and I have yet to see one thing he has done aside from talk & show strange, almost comical devises on video. He mixes enough truth in with his "other stuff" that it seems plausible, but it's not.


I'm not here to convince you, clearly you have made your mind up on the topic.. however the "otherside" of this issue needs to be addressed.

I have done a lot of looking into Keshe, and my opinion is that he has nothing more to offer than B. Fullford or D. Willcock (or C. Goode for that matter).


I would love to be proven wrong, but after this length of time & all the missed "ship dates" for his generators plus the other inconsequential results from independent experiments (show me just ONE that works? just ONE that produces more than 5 watts of power... I'm not even looking for the 5kw that he says is possible, just 5w.)

[turiya]

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KFSSI Blueprint Teaching (http://livestream.com/accounts/15210385/events/4457003?origin=event_published&mixpanel_id=f67cba9a6c83-0dcf08ee1-43681f0a-2ee000-f67cba9a6d73c&acc_id=15524498&medium=email)
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www.spaceshipinstitute.org

[TargeT]

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Science & Technology / Energy Less event details
Date

Mon, Oct 26 2015 5:00 AM EDT — Wed, Oct 26 2016 11:00 AM EDT
About:
MAGRAV SYSTEM: FREE ENERGY IN EXCHANGE FOR WORLD PEACE From Monday Oct 26 2015, the Keshe Foundation teaching about the understanding and application of the Magrav technology is live and open to the public. EVERYBODY IS WELCOME ONLINE Also at Zoom Meeting when live: https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503 www.keshefoundation.org
www.spaceshipinstitute.org

a website link that imediately downloads software it wants me to install, excuse me if I pause a moment at that.

Did you run the zoom.exe? can you please summarize for those of us who don't want to install?

[beathoven]

Hello TargeT

You can also see it at Livestream and Youtube if you wish,

Livestreaming at: https://livestream.com/accounts/15210385/blueprint

YouTube live as well: http://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

Starting at 10:00 am CET Monday Oct 26 2015, on all weekday mornings, and at 2 pm CET weekday afternoons through Friday Oct 30 2015.

/ beathoven

[Aurelius]

KFSSI BLUEPRINT TEACHING WEEK

"FREE ENERGY IN EXCHANGE FOR WORLD PEACE"

KFSSI Blueprint Teaching Week

From Monday Oct 26 2015 to Friday Oct 30 2015,
the Keshe Foundation is live and open to the public,
with teachings about the understanding and application
of the Magrav system technology.

Starting at 10:00 (10 AM) CET Monday Oct 26 2015,
on all weekday mornings,
and at 14:00 (2 PM) CET weekday afternoons
through Friday Oct 30 2015.

Same links below for all sessions.

THI IS A PUBLIC EVENT
EVERYBODY IS WELCOME ONLINE

Livestreaming at:
https://livestream.com/accounts/15210385/blueprint

At Zoom Meeting (when live):
https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503

YouTube live:
http://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

Keshe Foundation website:
http://www.keshefoundation.org

Spaceship Institute website:
https://www.spaceshipinstitute.org

[Aurelius]

a website link that imediately downloads software it wants me to install, excuse me if I pause a moment at that.

Did you run the zoom.exe? can you please summarize for those of us who don't want to install?

to join the conference via Zoom, you need to run zoom.exe. If you don't want to run zoom.exe, then join via Youtube or Livestream.

[turiya]

Sorry. No such summary forthcoming.
I am with you. I don't download just any program, as it depends on one's own operating system.
I've just clicked on the livestream to watch. That works fine.
Zoom is for those that need a backup way to access.



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Date

Mon, Oct 26 2015 5:00 AM EDT — Wed, Oct 26 2016 11:00 AM EDT
About:
MAGRAV SYSTEM: FREE ENERGY IN EXCHANGE FOR WORLD PEACE From Monday Oct 26 2015, the Keshe Foundation teaching about the understanding and application of the Magrav technology is live and open to the public. EVERYBODY IS WELCOME ONLINE Also at Zoom Meeting when live: https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503 www.keshefoundation.org
www.spaceshipinstitute.org

a website link that imediately downloads software it wants me to install, excuse me if I pause a moment at that.

Did you run the zoom.exe? can you please summarize for those of us who don't want to install?

[Xanth]

Zoom for Android works well.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Since I live in a forest in Northern Idaho without adequate wifi ~ I am hoping someone will at least post a synopsis.

So far Keshe's inventions seem very esoteric and I have a hard time imagining them in a manifested form.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. For those who are watching these developments and teachings LIVE now ~ Thanks in advance. Please share your thoughts and personal analysis as this unfolds. Again, thanks!

[Aurelius]

Today's session (Mon 26 Oct 2015), Plasma Power Supply Blueprint sessions (AM & PM) archive here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYImMFQMP5U) and here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS7pOsrmFs)

[TargeT]

So I only had to watch about 30 min before I was scratching my head thinking "WTF"?!

Here the video starts at Mr Keshe saying an interesting thing:
tYImMFQMP5U

Yes, you heard that right, it will take 3 weeks to nano-coat the wires in your house hold (simply by hooking them up to his device) to cause a restive load of 10kw (up to 30kw he says)......... I really hope I don't have to explain how idiotic that statement is.

Honestly I don't have to watch more, that's a dead stopping point right there. First your devices won't work for 3 weeks, but the REASON they won't work is because you have to wait for his device to magically nano-coat your entire houses wiring (through... magic again I guess?)

I am not an electrical engineer, but you don't need to be to see in the first 30 min that this guy is full of crap. He cannot circumvent the basic understanding of physics and quantum physics that we have currently (granted these might not be 100% accurate, but they are WAY more accurate than magically nano-coating your entire houses wiring "some how".

All Keshe is doing is this : Buzzword buzz word buz word, random commonly known terms, buzzword buzzword buzzword, promise of space travel, buzword buzzword buzzzzzzzwwwwooorrrrdddddddd.

[Nick Matkin]

Yes, you heard that right, it will take 3 weeks to nano-coat the wires in your house hold (simply by hooking them up to his device) to cause a restive load of 10kw (up to 30kw he says)......... I really hope I don't have to explain how idiotic that statement is.

Thanks TargetT for watching that far and pointing this out. That's what Keshe actually said at 34 minutes into the above video.

This is news. I thought the device could be plugged into the mains socket and a 3kW load would only take 1kW. Now this statement about nano-coating the house mains wiring.

Could someone explain how this happens? Nano coating other wires in the device already seems to be a major operation.

Thanks.

[Aurelius]

Thanks TargetT for watching that far and pointing this out. That's what Keshe actually said at 34 minutes into the above video.

This is news. I thought the device could be plugged into the mains socket and a 3kW load would only take 1kW. Now this statement about nano-coating the house mains wiring. >>this was disclosed, it will even nano coat your car chassis (for the car device) and the entire grid (for the home unit).

Could someone explain how this happens? Nano coating other wires in the device already seems to be a major operation.>>all this has been discussed in the KSW's and even the 16 Oct - Ambassador event

Thanks.



<snip>

Yes, you heard that right, it will take 3 weeks to nano-coat the wires in your house hold (simply by hooking them up to his device) to cause a restive load of 10kw (up to 30kw he says)......... I really hope I don't have to explain how idiotic that statement is.

Honestly I don't have to watch more, that's a dead stopping point right there. First your devices won't work for 3 weeks, but the REASON they won't work is because you have to wait for his device to magically nano-coat your entire houses wiring (through... magic again I guess?)

<snip> He cannot circumvent the basic understanding of physics and quantum physics that we have currently (granted these might not be 100% accurate, but they are WAY more accurate than magically nano-coating your entire houses wiring "some how".

<snip>



Nick, TargeT ... I remember as a kid, that often other kids around me, would talk about fast cars / Formula One etc. The specifications, the performance, the motoring technological breakthroughs etc. I never found any interest in partaking in any of these discussions, it just didn't interest me. For me it was simple: they all use tyres & there is a limit to the max traction* between the road surface and a tyre. All the details & information they immersed themselves in, were semantics, all completely overshadowed by one simple fact*.

in short: have you understood what plasma is?

As suggested before, do nothing, just observe the feedback & findings of other people. Tune into the Tue & Thurs public KSW's to see what is going on. Look on facebook to see what people are finding (just be sure those you observe, are honest & know what they are doing).

[Aurelius]

Since I live in a forest in Northern Idaho without adequate wifi ~ I am hoping someone will at least post a synopsis.

So far Keshe's inventions seem very esoteric and I have a hard time imagining them in a manifested form.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. For those who are watching these developments and teachings LIVE now ~ Thanks in advance. Please share your thoughts and personal analysis as this unfolds. Again, thanks!

Darla, I would say in 1-2 month's time, the dust will have settled a bit. Most "mysteries" dispelled and concise & detailed instructions will come out from the global Knowledge Seeker network. Wait until then. For now just step back and wait for the noise and pandemonium to quieten down.

[TargeT]

<snip>

Yes, you heard that right, it will take 3 weeks to nano-coat the wires in your house hold (simply by hooking them up to his device) to cause a restive load of 10kw (up to 30kw he says)......... I really hope I don't have to explain how idiotic that statement is.

Honestly I don't have to watch more, that's a dead stopping point right there. First your devices won't work for 3 weeks, but the REASON they won't work is because you have to wait for his device to magically nano-coat your entire houses wiring (through... magic again I guess?)

<snip> He cannot circumvent the basic understanding of physics and quantum physics that we have currently (granted these might not be 100% accurate, but they are WAY more accurate than magically nano-coating your entire houses wiring "some how".

<snip>



Nick, TargeT ... I remember as a kid, that often other kids around me, would talk about fast cars / Formula One etc. The specifications, the performance, the motoring technological breakthroughs etc. I never found any interest in partaking in any of these discussions, it just didn't interest me. For me it was simple: they all use tyres & there is a limit to the max traction* between the road surface and a tyre. All the details & information they immersed themselves in, were semantics, completely overshadowed by one simple fact*.

in short: have you understood what plasma is?

As suggested before, do nothing, just observe the feedback & findings of other people. Tune into the Tue & Thurs public KSW's to see what is going on. Look on facebook to see what people are finding (just be sure those you observe, are honest & know what they are doing).

I think I know what plasma is, it's an exited state of matter (the 4th state).

Brief but good explanation:
2osF6l6-zWg

A little more in depth:
n-17xqfF4FU

I do not know why constantly saying the word "nano" makes him think he's more credible, or how plasma is going to nano coat all the wires in your house, over 3 weeks.. (what will it be coating the wires with? plasma itself? He has shown us how to "nano-coat" by vaporizing copper (which is actually somewhat viable, though a very sloppy method)). Is he supposing that your houses wiring will be coated with the zinc oxide ("gans") that you spin to "make plasma" (again, I do not see how this is possible, at all) ?

Is there something obvious I'm missing here, because to me it sounds like nonsense.

I will continue to wait, as I have been for 3 years to see something from Keshe, so far it's nothing. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50141-Keshe-5kw-Plasma-Generator-Sales-December-2012&p=588826&viewfull=1#post588826)

If Keshe's non-traditional understanding of plasma is so pivotal to his technology, why is it hard to find an explanation from him on that very subject?

Here is a fairly complex subject explained easily:


The Superconductor That Works at Earth Temperature
Physicists have discovered a material that superconducts at a temperature significantly warmer than the coldest ever measured on the earth. That should herald a new era of superconductivity research.
The world of superconductivity is in uproar. Last year, Mikhail Eremets and a couple of pals from the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry in Mainz, Germany, made the extraordinary claim that they had seen hydrogen sulphide superconducting at -70 °C. That’s some 20 degrees hotter than any other material—a huge increase over the current record.
more here:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/542856/the-superconductor-that-works-at-earth-temperature/

[beathoven]

Never mind . . . Aurelius explained it better.

[Aurelius]

I think I know what plasma is, it's an exited state of matter (the 4th state).

<snip>

I do not know why constantly saying the word "nano" makes him think he's more credible, or how plasma is going to nano coat all the wires in your house, over 3 weeks.. (what will it be coating the wires with? plasma itself? He has shown us how to "nano-coat" by vaporizing copper (which is actually somewhat viable, though a very sloppy method)). Is he supposing that your houses wiring will be coated with the zinc oxide ("gans") that you spin to "make plasma" (again, I do not see how this is possible, at all) ?

<snip>

If Keshe's non-traditional understanding of plasma is so pivotal to his technology, why is it hard to find an explanation from him on that very subject?

<snip>


TargeT .. unfortunately these have very little to do with the Keshe definition of plasma. If you use the mainstream definition of plasma, you will have very little success in understanding Keshe technology. This has all be discussed earlier in this thread. It is unfortunate Mr Keshe decided to call his technology plasma.

... out of curiosity have you ever watched any of the teachings? say the Kids workshops (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjAEB6AA1Efbaxs8LZOOzJw)? ... where all these concepts are explained?

[Aurelius]

I don´t claim to know anything about these specifics but as Keshe explained how nano coating grows again on damaged parts on the unit by itself in 24 hours I suppose that means that there is some kind of self replicating mechanics involved, once you have a source of nano material and energi it starts to spread on it´s own.

That should be easy check out by looking in to color change on copper wires in the house. They should become black (nano coated).

Sorry if it sounds stupid.

/ beathoven

you are absolutely correct beathoven, when one achieves approx 20 to 30 thousand layers of nano coating, the household wiring will turn black.

ps. the reason the wire turns black, is the atoms (nano) become magnetically separated, the light get's caught in these magnetic gaps and doesn't get released (reflected). see black body. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body)

[TargeT]

... out of curiosity have you ever watched any of the teachings? say the Kids workshops (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjAEB6AA1Efbaxs8LZOOzJw)? ... where all these concepts are explained?

so, you cannot explain to me Keshe's idea of "plasma" or provide any source material?

I just suffered through this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z49d7Kna9nc

there was zero technical information there, just a bunch of conjecture and random rambling, talking about teaching children at the right stage (yes we all know: get them young, just like every indoctrination program).


I'll dig back through this thread for your plasma explanation, but I don't recall it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8xQUulafGw[/url]

that explained nothing except that on the 16th power generators will have shipped (but they didn't, did they?)

[Aurelius]

so, you cannot explain to me Keshe's idea of "plasma" or provide any source material?

I just suffered through this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z49d7Kna9nc

there was zero technical information there, just a bunch of conjecture and random rambling, talking about teaching children at the right stage (yes we all know: get them young, just like every indoctrination program).


I'll dig back through this thread for your plasma explanation, but I don't recall it.


that explained nothing except that on the 16th power generators will have shipped (but they didn't, did they?)

TargeT ... I just scanned through the link you mentioned, yes I agree, the 22nd Kids KSW had very poor information content. Scanning through the Kids 3rd, 4th, 6th etc. KSW's, they have much better information.

Also, yesterday afternoon's theory session (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS7pOsrmFs)is an excellent choice as well.

[TargeT]

cool thanks, I'll give this one a watch after work


RZS7pOsrmFs

KFSSI Blueprint Teaching Week....From Monday Oct 26 2015, the Keshe Foundation is live and open to the public, with teachings about the understanding and application of the Magrav system technology.

[beathoven]

Hi Aurelius

Thanks for the tip on those Kids Knowledge Seekers Workshops, he explains things at the level that anyone can understand all the basic stuff. I rekommend them for all the grown ups and seniors like me too.

ps. that black body link almost gave me a stroke, too advanced and hard to understand for a layman. Thanks anyway !
You must be the smartest man around here . . .

/ beathoven

[Aurelius]

Hi Aurelius

Thanks for the tip on those Kids Knowledge Seekers Workshops, he explains things at the level that anyone can understand all the basic stuff. I rekommend them for all the grown ups and seniors like me too.

ps. that black body link almost gave me a stroke, too advanced and hard to understand for a layman. Thanks anyway !
You must be the smartest man around here . . .

/ beathoven

Beathoven, ignore the big fancy words. You'll find out when you understand what plasma is, one won't need big fancy words to describe its characteristics and behaviour. You'll also be able to quite easily explain most "mysteries", which modern science hasn't understood or got wrong. You'll come to find it's all quite simple stuff.

This may have been a more appropriate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack) black body link. Already with a simple link like this, the bit of knowledge you gained in your question (about wires turning back & magnetic "gaps"), you should already be able to see something: we could speculate what the "magical" coating is on stealth craft & how / why it works. ;) ... you could nano-coat copper sheets in your kitchen sink, cover your favourite model RC airplane with them ... viola, you have your own, a lot less than $2 billion stealth craft.

When you understand the plasma principles, you will re-look at all the existing knowledge that you have, whether it be energy, medical, astronomy, cosmology, ancient history, astrology, ufo's/ abductee accounts etc. You'll gain a depth & breadth of understanding you didn't have before. You'll also quite easily be able to see some so-called "ET tech" isn't as clever / sophisticated as we think it is.