Significant Keshe Foundation public announcements

[Nick Matkin]

No-nano coating on the wires yet (I'll be surprised if this ever happens as we are told it will)


I will be gob smacked if it happens - - on these videos

TargeT and anyone else --- do you seriously think that '''zerofossilfuel''' is going to promote any videos that shows Keshe Technology in a good light..?

He has declared the technology to be bogus and his reputation depends on the technology being bogus -

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He has not 'declared' the technology to be bogus, he has demonstrated it to be bogus. Did you follow all the technical measurements and his supporting arguments describing in detail why it didn't/couldn't work?

Perhaps there is someone with a similar thorough engineering background who can give equally clear, unambiguous measurements that prove it does work. If so I'd very much like to see it. And I'm not the only one...

[TargeT]

looks like it's becoming quite lucrative..? and even presenting him with the opportunity for '''a full time career'''


he is biased anyway ....

When text is blue on this forum that means it's a hyper link, if you click on the figures I gave you you'll see what he is earning right now based on his channel stats (it's a range because it really varies a lot depending on the add, the add run time, if an add is clicked, it's complicated ;) I run a tiny youtube channel and found all this out)


comments from this video... the one that was supposed to be the finale - then wasn't ---


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCHUA5eMuks






I've brought up the point before that in the Information War sometimes people pretend to be into something ---- like '''free energy''' for example but really they are working on the inside as a kind of Gatekeeper --- helping to control information and perception --- '''zerofossilfuel''' could easily be one of these characters, IMO
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quite honestly, I am very convinced that Keshe is "one of those characters"; so I absolutely see your point here.

one person reaches a few thousand, one reaches a few hundred, maybe million? (keshe's been at it for years)... who's the more likely as a gatekeeper? just based on reach ZF is ruled out I'd guess he's some retired electrician or electrical engineer ( some sort of technical career retiree) that does youtube as a hobby using his carreer knowledge... these are exactly the kinds of people I try to encourage on youtube, actual industry workers with years of OTJ experience.

Yeah, he's a bit rough around the edges,, but sure seems like an actual person to me, very authentic.

Keshe is just, at best, confusing.

[jaybee]

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Hands up anyone who thinks that a new radically different technology that could practically re-write physics...and is in the hands of the general public - won't be resisted and attacked ---??

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[TargeT]

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Hands up anyone who thinks that a new radically different technology that could practically re-write physics...and is in the hands of the general public - won't be resisted and attacked ---??

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I totally agree with you... but being soundly disproven and attacked are two quite different things.

not having reproducible results is what the issue here is, nothing else really.

[Johnny]

Very interesting from a conference in Zurich:


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Johnny :)

[jaybee]

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Hands up anyone who thinks that a new radically different technology that could practically re-write physics...and is in the hands of the general public - won't be resisted and attacked ---??

:)


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I totally agree with you... but being soundly disproven and attacked are two quite different things.

not having reproducible results is what the issue here is, nothing else really.


may I remind you again of the Cold Fusion fiasco and the way Pons and Fleischman were ostracized and ridiculed - and now things are changing on the Cold Fusion front -


http://www.exposingtruth.com/mit-scientists-discover-secret-cold-fusion/



Dr. Mitchell Swartz says he originally got into Cold Fusion research at MIT in order to debunk it. Now after years of research he is teaching a course at MIT on Cold Fusion experiments, methods, and results, and works alongside Dr. Hagelstein who is the theoretical side of the team.



Well, if there really IS an effect, as more and more evidence seems to be piling up that Cold Fusion effects ARE real, that would mean that these scientists who ridiculed and mocked Cold Fusion back in the 80’s and 90’s and even today can be blamed for setting all of our technology back 20 years. Just imagine that today we might have hover boards, flying cars, and a booming space tourism business, had history gone a bit differently. And don’t laugh, there was a guy from Terrafugia at the IAP course last week at MIT, and he is serious about using cold fusion power to build flying cars.


mmm a flying car - where have I heard that before -


and also on the link we have good old copper wire --- :)



And though the NANORs may not look all too impressive (basically just a copper wire) This is quite possibly the beginning of the largest technological breakthrough that our generation will witness.


Looks like a lot of researchers are moving in the same direction --


Keshe is researching and sharing a technology that is in it's early stages - he is going public and it is '''open source''' -- meaning that members of the public can learn and contribute - everything is not going to be perfect over night - but it's the pioneers of science that change our world - the ones who build not the ones who go out of their way to tear down while the whole process is in it's infancy (like ZeroFF) ---


also from the link --



There is a reason that they call it “RE-Search” in science, because you find out what changed, what factors are the key essential elements to getting something to work, and you re-search by doing experiments. You don’t just do one or two experiments and then give up on the most promising energy source ever to be allegedly discovered in the history of science & technology.

[jaybee]

he's actually doing SOMETHING on this topic, not just keyboard warriorring like us in this thread,

speak for yourself --- :) ---have you even nano coated any copper wire yet or tried to make GANS..?

Anyway re what you said above --- you say that as if no one else is doing ANYTHING - are you aware of how much experimenting and sharing there is going on out there?


for example --


Keshe Foundation 95th Knowledge Seekers Workshop Highlights


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[Nick Matkin]

When the cold fusion story broke, two important things happened.

1) The story was not suppressed, but spread throughout the media in what could be described as a frenzy, with much debate as to how it would change the world if confirmed.

2) Attempts to reproduce the results were done in labs throughout the world, particularly in universities by students who understood the enormity of what this might mean.

If any labs were able to confirm the cold fusion results it could not have been suppressed and other labs would have confirmed the results. A great deal of effort was taken to repeat the results, particularly in Japan.

So what happened? One of two things; either no one could reproduce the results and the subject more or less got dropped, or the the results were confirmed but a swarm of agents suppressing the news descended on labs that got positive results.

Breakthroughs in technology are inevitable from time to time. Just one example: Look how the steam engine caused the bankruptcy of the owners of the growing canal network in the early Industrial Revolution. Did the businessmen behind canal construction suppress and destroy all steam-engine locomotive technology and murder all the development engineers? Obviously not.

No doubt there were nay-sayers of the steam engine, but they were soon shown up for what they were. And technology progressed.

Cold fusion may yet prove a reality by the few still working on it.

[Johnny]

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Breakthroughs in technology are inevitable from time to time. Just one example: Look how the steam engine caused the bankruptcy of the owners of the growing canal network in the early Industrial Revolution. Did the businessmen behind canal construction suppress and destroy all steam-engine locomotive technology and murder all the development engineers? Obviously not.

No doubt there were nay-sayers of the steam engine, but they were soon shown up for what they were. And technology progressed.

Cold fusion may yet prove a reality by the few still working on it.

In 1912 the world's first ocean-going diesel ship M / S Selandia launched by B & W in Copenhagen. The brain behind Rudolf Diesel and Ivar Knudsen with the invention of the revolutionary diesel engine for ships.

The Creepy Fate Of Rudolf Diesel : http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/10/01/the-creepy-fate-of-rudolf-diesel/

Also Ivar Knudsen died under mysterious circumstances some years later in India.

Johnny :)

[TargeT]

Very interesting from a conference in Zurich:


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Johnny :)

can you summarize for us poor mono-linguistic types?



may I remind you again of the Cold Fusion fiasco and the way Pons and Fleischman were ostracized and ridiculed - and now things are changing on the Cold Fusion front -

Pons & Fleischman produced actual lab proven results; then when other actual scientists tried to reproduce it and failed (due to a probably purposefully contaminated palladium source that every single reproducer used... using the same source for a rare material opens you up to manipulation apparently) there was a fall out, absolutely. That situation is vastly different from this.

& yes, I do agree the situation is turning around, in fact I think the E-cat should take all your Keshe adoration... at least the E-cat seems plausible & has been peer reviewed (this is key).




Keshe is researching and sharing a technology that is in it's early stages - he is going public and it is '''open source''' -- meaning that members of the public can learn and contribute - everything is not going to be perfect over night - but it's the pioneers of science that change our world - the ones who build not the ones who go out of their way to tear down while the whole process is in it's infancy (like ZeroFF) ---
also from the link --

There is a reason that they call it “RE-Search” in science, because you find out what changed, what factors are the key essential elements to getting something to work, and you re-search by doing experiments. You don’t just do one or two experiments and then give up on the most promising energy source ever to be allegedly discovered in the history of science & technology.

we can all agree that Keshe's claims are amazing & would be awesome if they were true.

the problem is he says htey are true, he says he can make space ships and power sources and heal severed body parts... yet we see no reproducable results, no one else can do what he can..


Keshe must be a wizard.

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he's actually doing SOMETHING on this topic, not just keyboard warriorring like us in this thread,

speak for yourself --- :) ---have you even nano coated any copper wire yet or tried to make GANS..?



I think zinc oxide has been around for a long long time, not sure how making "gans" will help anything.


No, in the 4 years I've been watching this topic I have yet to attempt to re-create anything from Keshe (so I'm the same as everyone else that is experimenting out there, but I've saved money and time... win win!?)

[jaybee]

Keshe must be a wizard.

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and what's wrong with magic...?

remember what Arthur C Clarke famously said --- ''''Magic's just science that we don't understand yet'''' :idea:


TargeT said...

No, in the 4 years I've been watching this topic I have yet to attempt to re-create anything from Keshe (so I'm the same as everyone else that is experimenting out there, but I've saved money and time... win win!?)


oh come on stop being stubborn - get into the groove, baby - drop the boring debunking and join in with the fun :eyebrows: ----

You run a horse sanctuary on the Virgin Islands don't you..?

What if you could help them with emotional and physical problems with a home made Health Pad .... that could benefit them and would be cheaper than a vet (unless a vet was absolutely necessary)

On one of the videos I've watched recently - I think it was the one in my post 734 - John Anderson talks about his dog and how it had a horrible itchy persistent skin problem that had plagued it for a couple of years - it would come to John and do a little kind of dance to have it's rear end scratched and rubbed -

so he made a Health Pad (sometimes called a Pain Pad) - very simple to do - he put some GANS water on some paper tissue and put this in a small flat plastic bag and sealed it - put it on the dogs problem area and in no time at all he said the skin complaint was better - I think he only put it on for a few minutes (from memory) and now when the dog comes to him for a stroke he says it does a different kind of 'dance' -

(GANS water is the water that is above the washed precipitate - I would have to go back to check if a specific GANS water was used - it could have been CO2, not sure -)

anyway - what if you could help your horses - it wouldn't do them any harm to try - and it could make them healthier and happier maybe - if they needed treatment for something -

c'mon don't bother with boring old Brasche any more - he's just a Yesterday Man --- leeching off Keshe --- :)

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[Nick Matkin]

Keshe Foundation 95th Knowledge Seekers Workshop Highlights


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Another video showing what exactly? Useful positive results? Unfortunately not – yet again.

What's repeatedly missed by these video posters is the simple fact that technical measurements are required, along with diagrams showing how the equipment is connected. Is that really so hard to understand?

Did I hear right that this guy sees a spaceship and shimmering waves in the room...? Looks like he's trying to discredit Keshe, yet Keshe is taking part in the video. Weird.

Crystals “allowing the conscious mind interacts with the plasma"... Yes, that's going to help Mrs Jones use the devices to run her washing machine while keeping down a part-time job, looking after three kids and battling other domestic chores. I think some folks need a reality check.

If this technology is to run real-world electrical appliances we don't need the woo-wwo stuff. That doesn’t help.

So to repeat the request, will someone please post some videos with real measurements with real equipment and diagrams showing clearly how the hell it is all connected together? Seeing it actually doing something (in)credible would be good too...

[TargeT]

Day 17 of the test:
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That pretty much speaks for itself....


This one is just a bit of levity... sure had me laughing

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[jaybee]

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Here for anyone who is interested - is the 100th Knowledge Seekers Workshop -


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One of the things discussed is the KFSSI conference in Dubai in April - also the coming earthquakes (???) --- (time will tell on that) --

And other sharing including instructions for a Stand Alone energy power unit -near the end ------ think I've got that right about the stand alone Plasma Power Unit - as I missed some of the presentation and have to take another look at it ---


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[jaybee]

This one is just a bit of levity... sure had me laughing


oh dear - quite the *cough* comedian isn't he - crazy cookie Zerofossilfuels -

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I just knocked this Limerick up ---to join in the '''''fun'''''


There's a YouTube bloke called Mark
Who fancies himself as a shark
But he sinks rather low
With his orthodox show
Fact is he's just a minnow (what a lark!)


:P


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[TargeT]

Web site made by a former supporter has some REALLY good research behind it:



Controlled deception
Regarding the latest series of articles, written by Gordon Duff, senior editor of the Keshe Foundation’s military mouthpiece “Veterans Today”, there is not really much good to say about it, just that it is clear that Duff seems to be yet another spin doctor, who fabricates stories in order to slander innocent people, while protecting criminals. Besides we wonder why Keshe always accuses his imaginary enemies of having “clandestine activities”, when in fact he is in bed with “Veterans Today”, who call themselves “Journal for the Clandestine Community” right in their website header ?

ZeroFossilFuel made another video, which clarifies several things and exposes both Keshe and Duff as the disinformation agents that they are. Zero also proves that unwanted comments, no matter how sincere they are, are being deleted from their website. It’s the same dictatorial censorship that goes on in the KF. However, we found comments below another one of their articles, which they were too slow to censor.
https://keshefacts.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/vt_screenshot.jpg?w=700
Here is a screenshot, so you can see what the readers of “Veterans Today” REALLY think of Keshe. We assume those comments will be removed right after this post goes public.

Another comment from Youtube:
“Duff’s VT is controlled opposition, like Jones. Some truth, but rather not, as they promote strife.”

And finally Gordon Duff himself admits that not all of what he writes is true.

Given the fact that more and more members of the free energy scene come forward to speak out against Keshe clearly shows that it is not Keshe’s “knowledge” or his “free energy” that cause the attacks on him. The real reason, which is obvious to anyone with half a brain, is that Keshe has been committing a lot of crimes in his life, and in order to distract from that, he blames them on other people. And by adding all this slander to his criminal portfolio, he makes it even worse. Meanwhile he is in such big trouble that he can’t possibly admit ANY of his crimes, because then the rest would become public as well. So he continues to play his game, calling more and more people (even women!) pedophiles, while going on with his “free energy” fraud. Keshe is so convincing that he draws more and more people into his mindgames, including Duff.

On one hand Duff is pointing his finger at the NWO and their agents, on the other hand he fails to see that Keshe is acting like one of them. On one hand Duff is slamming Sterling Allen for being a pedophile, on the other hand he is protecting Keshe, even though Keshe has been telling lies about me and other people for a long time. People who know me, know that I am neither a pedophile, nor an agent, nor a money launderer, nor whatever else Keshe has falsely accused me to be. The people and core team members who met me in Bari during the KFSSI opening liked me, some wrote it was a pleasure for them to have met me. I also had great fun talking to them and joking with Mike Harris, we even took pictures of that. Now suddenly everyone is against me, because all got brainwashed by Keshe. And now Duff jumps on the slander train as well and puts my name into one of their fabricated stories. We cannot speak for the others Duff mentioned, but my name certainly does not belong on that list. Some more research might be necessary before you post an article, Mr. Duff. You say “there is a little bit of a cult going on”. A little bit ??? Any other cult pales in comparison to THIS fraudulent monstrosity. You obviously don’t know much about the KF, yet you think you can make a judgement ? You are serving the devil while proudly ruining the reputation of innocent people, because some names were given to you by whom – Keshe ??? A man who lies almost everytime he opens his mouth ? A man who is obsessed with pedophilia and can’t help talking about “pissing” in every one of his what – “Knowledge” Seekers Workshops ???

Some people argue that I used to promote Keshe, and now I “changed my mind”, so I must have gotten paid by whoever. Yes I did a lot of work for Keshe and presented his technology as credible, but that was before I found out the truth about him. I was fooled like everyone else. It is not me who is controlled by “whoever”, it is Keshe.

http://www.keshefacts.org/

[jaybee]

Web site made by a former supporter has some REALLY good research behind it:



seriously..??? ---- it looks like an obvious crude hit piece with lots of made up stuff, to me --

for example


Given the fact that more and more members of the free energy scene come forward to speak out against Keshe clearly shows that it is not Keshe’s “knowledge” or his “free energy” that cause the attacks on him. The real reason, which is obvious to anyone with half a brain, is that Keshe has been committing a lot of crimes in his life, and in order to distract from that, he blames them on other people. And by adding all this slander to his criminal portfolio, he makes it even worse. Meanwhile he is in such big trouble that he can’t possibly admit ANY of his crimes, because then the rest would become public as well.


and I see Hopegirl has imploded --- lol ---

who exactly is the creator and updater of this site, TargeT..?... I may have missed it as I had a cursory scroll through --- is it anonymous?

:idea: something smells of Kumaran an obsessed Keshe stalker who was banned from this forum a while back... the above quote is just the nutty kind of thing he would say about Keshe and the Keshe Foundation --


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[jaybee]

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Onward and upward ---- where focus goes energy flows --- so let's get back to the positive ----



Goddess Talk, Keshe, GANS & Plasma Energy Workshop Kauai - 21st Century Superhuman Show




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Published on Feb 10, 2016
Join author host Cary Ellis in Goddess talk with Leeda on GANS, Keshe & Plasma energy workshop in Kauai discussing feelings about being in this free energy movement and current planetary change.
Website for Plasma Workshop on Kauai:
http://kauaiplasmaenergyworkshop.weeb...
Youtube channel Leeda Safa

[Amazing piece on the Soul of GANS by Leeda]
LeedaPic2"The GANS, is in essence, pure love or unconditional love in its purest state of matter. Therefore, intrinsic within its beingness, is the desire to give and provide for the benefit of the whole. It is the closest thing to SOURCE energy that has been manifested within your reality, and as such, it will reorganize itself to provide for the needs of those whom interact with it. It is a consciousness interface and those who begin to work with their GANS will soon discover that they are interfacing with a substance that requires one to be connected and aware of all life. Those who begin to create and harvest their GANS shall be embarking on a cellular and spiritual journey as the fields that begin to interact with one's soul will begin to magnetize that soul to the remembrance of ONENESS where all life was birthed from the centre point of creation.
"Therefore one must be open to this process and be willing to remember the greater truths of their connection to the ALL and the ONE. The GANS will gently accelerate this remembrance for them by stimulating there quantum-nano-sub-atomic-structure to realign its positioning with respect to that which is true, whole and organic. This process slowly helps the mind, body and spirit to re-actualize its connection with SOURCE energy and begin to interact with the subtle energies that are presently being returned to Earth and all of her inhabitants. Therefore, we encourage and advise those of whom feel inclined and inspired to begin working with your GANS to open your heart and mind to allow for the process of remembrance to unfold within your bio-spiritual anatomy. Once you allow for this process to unfold there can be no stopping it, and it shall move with the pace that you are able to maintain with respect to your overall growth and development."


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[Nick Matkin]

Can anyone actually buy any energy device from Keshe that is shown to work yet, or is he still just taking the money for pre-orders?

[TargeT]

who exactly is the creator and updater of this site, TargeT..?... I may have missed it as I had a cursory scroll through --- is it anonymous?


funny enough, she's a free energy scammer her self "hopegirl" but if you read through some of her past stuff, the stuff on forum censorship & undisclosed financial dealings with certain promotion groups (that are "getting results!" on youtube). etc etc...


it certainly fits the "scammer" mold, if you're objective enough to try that hat on.

[Robert Baird]

I like their World Peace document it is not new, and The Club of Budapest had many world figures sign their proclamation shortly after WWII and during WWIII or the Cold War. I see a lot of the things I have studied being addressed. I suspect it is another Nassim Haramein type of con. The person who first introduced me to it about six months ago needed to BELIEVE in such things and would not listen to reason even though he was very interested in the things we discussed. He died partially because of his need to believe and the stress caused by years of doing any fad which came down the pike to address his heart issues; he insisted were in no way genetic when I first told him it was likely related to the Blue Baby stuff. Later he did acknowledge it had a genetic element. I am not going to wade through more abuse of the things I have studied for decades by con artists who make my attempts to bring reason to bear on wild fantasies and religion. Yes, I know they say similar things - so do all others borrowing things and wrapping their pitch into a new cult. It has proven successful for centuries - why would it not be happening more in the environment of the web where it is hard to find a site where you do not have people in extreme positions for and against spirituality who have (in both cases) done little investigation.

http://www.keshefoundation.org/

You can say I have not investigated the great visionary Mr. Keshe and you can say I am wrong to put him alongside Haramein or the Bhagwan Rajneesh or Bagman who had all those Rolls Royce's and ran his camp and city like a concentration camp. I ran into these things like Scientology over four decades ago and have seen friends disappear on supposed spacecraft after selling all their earthly possessions to move to the Pacific Northwest over forty years ago.

I looked around all his offerings and if he is a charity I say he pays himself handsomely. Yes, if you cannot get religion status you will avoid taxes by claiming to be a Foundation. I was a public accountant and MBA student. It is as bad an act as I have ever seen or smelled.

I see he has many fraud flags and detailed exposures of himself and his organization which raised major bucks through crowd funding and that would mean it has shareholders, or am I wrong about that? Surely there are Foundations which own shares so the founders offspring do not pay taxes like regular people must do even if they do not like what Empires of all bureaucracies are in the habit of doing (unlike where people actually vote - in Porto Allegre).

http://www.keshefacts.org/

[jaybee]

who exactly is the creator and updater of this site, TargeT..?... I may have missed it as I had a cursory scroll through --- is it anonymous?


funny enough, she's a free energy scammer her self "hopegirl" but if you read through some of her past stuff, the stuff on forum censorship & undisclosed financial dealings with certain promotion groups (that are "getting results!" on youtube). etc etc...


it certainly fits the "scammer" mold, if you're objective enough to try that hat on.


no --- Hope girl has contributed to the site but she is not responsible for the creation and updating -

having had another look and from something that was said on Dec 5th 2015..


During the Dutch Knowledge Seekers Workshop on December 3rd, Keshe once again called me a terrorist. He said he has been terrorized for 10 years “by the same man”. Interestingly, until April 2015, he used to call me a genius, a friend and a brother, and seemed to be very thankful for the 10 years of work I spent for him. How is it then possible, that I terrorized him while I worked for him and with him ?

the person behind it must be Dirk Laureyssens -- but I don't see his name anywhere--- not sure but he may have been arrested and perhaps his name removed so the true nature of this crude hit piece isn't revealed...?

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[jaybee]

Web site made by a former supporter has some REALLY good research behind it:

http://www.keshefacts.org/


Yes the former supporter, creator and updater of your link IS definitely Dirk Laureyssens ---

from your link


Over the past months Keshe publicly accused me of being a secret Belgian government agent, a potential killer, a pedophile, a terrorist, a thief, a money launderer and a drug trafficker. He accused me of blocking his progress in Belgium, of planning his arrest in Canada, of blocking his online workshops, and he suspected that I have an affair with a woman HE desired. He has been using the logo I created years ago, and now he claims I stole the logo from him so I must pay.

the thing about the logo clinches it -

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=31715



and from a thread here on Avalon Dirk Laureyssens comes up --


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89122-White-House-confrontation-over-FBI-file-leads-to-Scalia-killing--A-MUST-READ...-




Increasingly it became obvious that Allen had been using these venues for sexual trafficking of children. It wasn’t hard to figure out, he did it openly spoke of it constantly (as seen in the YouTube above) and lived as though he were above the law. Over the next few months, particularly when confronted by Iranian born physicist MT Keshe, who ordered Allen and those around him banned from all Keshe forums, Allen openly flaunted his criminal activities.

What made this particularly insidious is that it was obvious not only that Allen was not acting alone but that he had broad support not only in his home state of Utah, where he was able to avoid prosecution, but in Belgium as well. There, Allen and associates Hans Bracquene, Dirk Laureyssens and Ad Van den Elshout moved against the Keshe group, securing against Keshe’s wishes technologies with defense related applications and passing them on to MI 5 in Britain.

When Keshe moved against this group and tried to secure his patents, he found himself being chased down the highway, shots fired, his car run off the road. Police arrested and soon “misplaced” the culprits, and soon thereafter, representatives of Belgium’s “royals” told Keshe to leave Belgium or be buried there.




Keshe was betrayed by someone he thought was a friend and colleague but who turned out to be something else entirely -



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[TargeT]

Keshe was betrayed by someone he thought was a friend and colleague but who turned out to be something else entirely -


Logical Fallacy does not change what is on that website

When refuting something try to stick to the actual facts & not worry so much about who delivers them... this is the logical fallacy Ad Hominem & will get a conversation no where... you might THINK you are saying something valid, however no other party will be satisfied and in actuality you refuted no claims from that site so in my mind they all stand still.

[Aurelius]

from Tokamak to MAGRAV stacker (an evolution) 31.29 - 33.00:

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[Aurelius]

Keshe MAGRAV Universal Feeding System:

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[TargeT]

posting videos with out at least some personal analysis is going to get you about... oh zero engagement.

Please give at least your brief thoughts on the video (in all threads, not just this one) and what you got form it.


The post above this one with the ripoff-fusion CGI thumbnail (post 775) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1053448&viewfull=1#post1053448)... I watched that..... what did YOU get out of that?

[Eric J (Viking)]

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/science_technology/new_technologies_and_inventions/news.php?q=1458698667

Viking

[Daozen]

A year ago, they opened the worlds first Spaceship Institute in Italy of which I have been able to recently attend their online classes since the beginning of this year. This is the worlds first institute that is teaching about advanced plasma technology and its application in space travel that makes our current rocket propulsion based technology, totally obsolete. The purpose of the institute is to teach the fundamentals and applications of plasma technology and how it can allow humans to travel in space at fantastically great speeds without burning any fuel. We can live and exist for long periods in deep space without needing to carry mass quantities of food, water, or oxygen, and live without needing any medical supplies or medical staff.

Still talking about space flight, still unable to show how to light an LED.

[ThePythonicCow]

Robert Distinti explains how many of these "free energy" experiments "work", by confusing power as being voltage or current, not their product:
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[Nick Matkin]

Great video and absolutely correct! Thanks Paul.

For the cult followers of Keshe and the QEG fiasco, this video has probably gone straight over their heads.

I really hope not all free-energy experimenters are so ill trained as to be hoodwinked by basic power conversion mathematics.

What they do seem to be baffled with when demonstrating AC only systems is the inaccuracy of basic measuring devices when measuring non-sinusoidal waveforms or understand the important phase relationship between current and voltage in an AC system!

Well I'm off to make a 5kV Cockcroft–Walton multiplier so that my entire street can run off a 9-volt battery! If I get suicided you'll all know why!

[jaybee]

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Now let us talk about lettuce.... :)


In the 107th Knowledge Seekers workshop yesterday there was an interesting presentation by someone who is a farmer growing lettuce the aquaponics way -

they have experimented with using the Keshe technology to see if their produce could improve - and it did -

One experiment, by floating a small amount of GANS (Gas at Nano State) in a closed bottle into the system they had significant success --- the roots were healthier, the yield dramatically improved, the lettuce was able to cope with the hot weather better and keep on growing rather than drooping --and the fish that live in the water to provide organic nutrients with their poo for the plants, were perkier more lively and feeding better -- (happier?)

so it looks like the 'fields' coming from the GANS made a difference -


the presentation about the lettuce begins around the 2 hour 39 minute mark and goes on for about 25 mins for anyone who's interested -



aweib4JAexw

[jaybee]

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these photos about the lettuce were also posted on the Golden Age of GANS facebook group ~~ showing the comparison ~~


https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/10436243_1071230099567022_7013442055144619364_n.jpg?oh=89803fc36b79f995169c38d7c418cf9b&oe=5772E5A1


https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/10306742_1071230122900353_3040231610136981691_n.jpg?oh=776184dc0b5ec5746892d3773b6e79b1&oe=57742B20

[jaybee]

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and the weight comparison ~~~


https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10309645_1071230149567017_3071379372618107622_n.jpg?oh=18c6c3890c6d616cda97df3553f42449&oe=578FC6CB



https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/10494805_1071230196233679_1597665721882542739_n.jpg?oh=a40383e68c03d967d408c677c2a435c4&oe=57724238


:clapping:


:flower:

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[TargeT]

Great video and absolutely correct! Thanks Paul.

For the cult followers of Keshe and the QEG fiasco, this video has probably gone straight over their heads.

I really hope not all free-energy experimenters are so ill trained as to be hoodwinked by basic power conversion mathematics.

What they do seem to be baffled with when demonstrating AC only systems is the inaccuracy of basic measuring devices when measuring non-sinusoidal waveforms or understand the important phase relationship between current and voltage in an AC system!

Well I'm off to make a 5kV Cockcroft–Walton multiplier so that my entire street can run off a 9-volt battery! If I get suicided you'll all know why!

Well, maybe people need to be told where their weaknesses are AND be shown how to correct them ;)


So what is the difference between a Keshe white board session and these ones?
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Worse accent than Keshe, yet still understandable,,,, interesting.
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a bit more on three phase.. not super related but good info:
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But maybe starting here might help with understanding (hell, you have to grasp AC vs DC to even start to wade in this pool).
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I have a sophomoric grasp of this material.. I'm not good with the actual formulas but I understand the concepts.. which makes all this Keshe business just funny when you know the "electricity" phenomenon a bit more intimately.

I wish this kind of education got more emphasis, it's how our lives are run now; we should all have a basic understanding of how those magic pixies come out of the wall and make things chooch!


Here's my favorite way to learn about electricity:
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This guy is hilarious!

[Ernie Nemeth]

Standard electrical knowledge.

Phase angle relationship is how the new smart meters have the potential to steal your money. That is the portion of the current that is not in phase with the voltage and so is not usable power. If a meter is not mechanical, ie. actually turning a gear wheel that can only turn if the power is usable, then the reactive current, the unusable portion, must be calculated using software and programming. Many condos use this type of highly unreliable system. Often averaging out the discrepancy between the condo owners is the only way to compensate for the difference.

[kanishk]

The-unknown-truth-about-the-Keshe-foundation-2014

http://allthatstreaming.com/pdf/the-unknown-truth-about-the-keshe-foundation-2014.pdf

[Aurelius]

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snip

aweib4JAexw

from 31min-42min we see the plasmatic fields (high field strength) interact with matter (low field strength)

[Aurelius]

Robert Distinti explains how many of these "free energy" experiments "work", by confusing power as being voltage or current, not their product:
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Absolutely correct, power is the product of current & voltage (electron - matter state). Unfortunately most tinkerers don't know the fundamentals of electricity (electron theory) and create unnecessary noise / distractions.

Beyond the above, things get interesting when one shuttles power back and forth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK3JOlY0V8Y).
If anyone questions the validity of Jim's experiments, ignore them they don't know what they are talking about.

One needs to get off one's "electron fixation" (ie. the matter state) and move beyond this, then one operates in a different league. Tesla worked in this realm, particularly in his later years, Keshe works here as well, but comes in from a different angle to how Tesla did it.

If one wants to stay with the electron (broadly speaking) and get free energy, then go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tASY07r9AD0
This is where Tesla was in the middle years. Ignore anyone who says the tech isn't good, they don't know what they are talking about. Joe Soap is wasting his time re-constructing such a device, as not everything was disclosed

[Aurelius]

The-unknown-truth-about-the-Keshe-foundation-2014
http://allthatstreaming.com/pdf/the-unknown-truth-about-the-keshe-foundation-2014.pdf


Keshe is very intelligent, innovative, capable, determined, calculating & shrewd. He's made impressive "mileage" on his own steam throughout his life. He's human just like the rest of us and is not perfect. But there's more to this picture ... he has been targeted & is being guided.

[Snoweagle]

Keep up the great work Aurelius and thank you for standing your ground. Respect:-)

It is quite inspiring to hear how Keshe has also stood his ground against the onslaught of persecution by the dark forces of the "Scum". After all, science tells us that in a dynamic solution it is the "dross", slag or scum that rises to the surface.

Whereas in the past I chose to sit on the fence regarding Keshe as I hadn't seen any of his work documented I am now a non participating supporter of his work. I agree his work is indeed very challenging to the Scum and sympathise the persecution he and many other Scientists suffer.

The pdf "The unknown truth about the Keshe Foundation 2014" should be compulsory reading for all practitioners of Science.

I wish only the best for you and Keshe. Thanks.

[Daozen]

Keep up the great work Aurelius and thank you for standing your ground. Respect:-)

It is quite inspiring to hear how Keshe has also stood his ground against the onslaught of persecution by the dark forces of the "Scum". After all, science tells us that in a dynamic solution it is the "dross", slag or scum that rises to the surface.

Whereas in the past I chose to sit on the fence regarding Keshe as I hadn't seen any of his work documented I am now a non participating supporter of his work. I agree his work is indeed very challenging to the Scum and sympathise the persecution he and many other Scientists suffer.

The pdf "The unknown truth about the Keshe Foundation 2014" should be compulsory reading for all practitioners of Science.

I wish only the best for you and Keshe. Thanks.

Just one question. Serious question: Do you know how to light an LED using Keshe technology? If the Keshe community can't do that, why are they taking deposits for spaceflights?

[Nick Matkin]

Keep up the great work Aurelius and thank you for standing your ground. Respect:-)

It is quite inspiring to hear how Keshe has also stood his ground against the onslaught of persecution by the dark forces of the "Scum". After all, science tells us that in a dynamic solution it is the "dross", slag or scum that rises to the surface.

Whereas in the past I chose to sit on the fence regarding Keshe as I hadn't seen any of his work documented I am now a non participating supporter of his work. I agree his work is indeed very challenging to the Scum and sympathise the persecution he and many other Scientists suffer.

The pdf "The unknown truth about the Keshe Foundation 2014" should be compulsory reading for all practitioners of Science.

I wish only the best for you and Keshe. Thanks.

Just one question. Serious question: Do you know how to light an LED using Keshe technology? If the Keshe community can't do that, why are they taking deposits for spaceflights?

Well after three days, and since the Keshe supporters have not been forthcoming with even a photo of his equipment lighting an LED, let alone a video showing exactly how it's done, I guess the answer to your straightforward question is 'no'.

[Daozen]

Well after three days, and since the Keshe supporters have not been forthcoming with even a photo of his equipment lighting an LED, let alone a video showing exactly how it's done, I guess the answer to your straightforward question is 'no'.

I imagine they are too busy putting the finishing touches to their warp drives to wory about trivialities like illumination. Most of them seem blind anyway, so what use is light?

[Snoweagle]

Keep up the great work Aurelius . . .
. . . the onslaught of persecution by the dark forces of the "Scum". After all, science tells us that in a dynamic solution it is the "dross", slag or scum that rises to the surface.

. . . I agree his work is indeed very challenging to the Scum and sympathise the persecution he and many other Scientists suffer.

I wish only the best for you and Keshe. Thanks.

Just one question. Serious question: Do you know how to light an LED using Keshe technology? If the Keshe community can't do that, why are they taking deposits for spaceflights?

Well, lighting an LED may be done in a myriad of ways. However your question itself demonstrates your lack of science knowledge, application or discernment. Quite immaterial to any qualification you may aspire or books you may have read. It appears there are many like you here attacking commentary you do not understand. c'est le vie

My comment was to Aurelius cradling support at his/her lone stance against the tirade of opinionated thuggery I have witnessed when I popped back into this thread to see how it was fairing. This visit was promoted by a recent article posted on Veterans Today, which I had read prior to it finding an Avalon thread of it's own here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90681-Keshe-Maxwell-Hertz-and-the-key-to-Gravity-Electromagnetism-and-Physics-VT-article

Back to topic I guess:-)
Your question demonstrates your ignorance, and that of others too as you do not understand what Keshe is showing the world.
I have not followed Keshe, watched any of his videos or downloaded any of his work. Everything I have picked up, read or seen; have been through commentary’s by others here at Avalon and elsewhere.

I happen to know other things about scientific principles which are largely undocumented from my own research, experience and due diligence. In this respect I am able to see what I believe Keshe is doing with his bizarre set up. Which when I consider it by my principles is quite brilliant in it's execution. Keshe I believe is demonstrating new technology which "sits in the doorway" of access to free energy. It's up to his students, apostles and disciples to move forward with the concept. This is my perception and currently very happy with this.

So the LED:-)
Well I could start by asking you to supply me with the chemistry of the LED and all known scientific characteristics of the material, then I would ask you to define Keshe technology and supply all that information to me as I have none of them.

As you are completely unable to satisfy either of these needs in a manner of understanding of what is being done by Keshe, in my opinion, then we hit an impasse.

I haven't followed Keshe. I have taken an overview of what he is doing (and done) and have "reverse engineered" that which has reached me in the public domain. With my scientific principles I can see some wonderful things. But then that's me.

Furthermore, my original post was directly aimed at Aurelius, aggregating my support for due diligence.

recommendation: Daozen, go back to first principles, the answer is staring you in the face

[Snoweagle]

Keep up the great work Aurelius . . .
. . . the onslaught of persecution by the dark forces of the "Scum". After all, science tells us that in a dynamic solution it is the "dross", slag or scum that rises to the surface.
. . . I agree his work is indeed very challenging to the Scum and sympathise the persecution he and many other Scientists suffer.
I wish only the best for you and Keshe. Thanks.

Just one question. Serious question: Do you know how to light an LED using Keshe technology? If the Keshe community can't do that, why are they taking deposits for spaceflights?

Well after three days, and since the Keshe supporters have not been forthcoming with even a photo of his equipment lighting an LED, let alone a video showing exactly how it's done, I guess the answer to your straightforward question is 'no'.

Good with Numerology eh Nick, thats good as you ain't much of an engineer. roflmao

Always hanging off the commentary of others, virtually no thoughts of your own:-)

It makes my skin crawl that you wear a scientific emblem for a science to which you postulate expertise yet demonstrate nothing positive to the community.

I have to go now, I might return to this thread later.

You are in the UK__________________DO YOU WANT TO MEET? - bring your mates and we'll video it roflmao:-)
Your call:-)

[Nick Matkin]

Well if Keshe's stuff really works, and he's given free versions of it to dozens of European luminaries (last year wasn't it?), where is all the positive feedback about its impressive performance? I'd expect the world to be beating a path to his door - including all those physics students wanting to get one and to prove all they have been previously taught is a lie, with very the proof in their hands! So what happened?

Is it any wonder that engineering minds, routed in the kind of science that has allowed this discussion via the internet, look on with deep scepticism?

As to your perception of my avatar as a 'scientific emblem'...

Nick

PS: Thanks for your offer of a meeting. But I'm a long way from Devon.

[Akasha]

......As to your perception of my avatar as a 'scientific emblem'.....

Hey Nick, I don't mind admitting I've been intrigued by your avatar for some time now. It looks similar to the MOSFET symbol but not quite the same, to my untrained eye at any rate. Can you enlighten us?

http://www.cdn.sciencebuddies.org/Files/6304/8/symbol-MOSFET.jpg

Best.

[Nick Matkin]

Hi Akasha, you're very nearly right! You found the electronic symbol for an N-channel enhancement-mode MOSFET. Mine is an N-channel depletion-mode MOSFET.

(MOSFET: metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor)

Now, back on topic... :)

[Snoweagle]

Well if Keshe's stuff really works, and he's given free versions of it to dozens of European luminaries (last year wasn't it?), where is all the positive feedback about its impressive performance? I'd expect the world to be beating a path to his door - including all those physics students wanting to get one and to prove all they have been previously taught is a lie, with very the proof in their hands! So what happened?

Is it any wonder that engineering minds, routed in the kind of science that has allowed this discussion via the internet, look on with deep scepticism?

As to your perception of my avatar as a 'scientific emblem'...

Nick

PS: Thanks for your offer of a meeting. But I'm a long way from Devon.

So, Keshe has provided free versions to European Luminaires for research purposes.
_Where is this information?
_Who are these Luminaires?
_What is the significance of research being done by a Luminaire, rather than a University or Corporate entity?
_Was this bequeathal at the request of those Luminaires themselves or Peer Review pressure. (or otherwise)?

How about demonstrating some of that science and engineering acumen by delving into this problem of finding out. Do something positive for a change. Enlighten us. Ask one of your mates to help you.

It took over fifty years to prove the work of Einstein and yet he was lauded, wrongly, as a hero. Fifty years!
Nicholas Tesla is now mouthed all over the internet for his work one hundred years ago!

And you squeal falsehood after doing nothing to justify the negative claims against Keshe. Always on the shirt tail of others, never the leader. Promoting at best low school science and wikipedia sourced quotes. There is no discernment in any of your posts. So where are all these scientific disqualifications you allude?

All this site has seen of you is the clapping and dancing to the Klown. And posting some drawings too I suppose gives tou a couple of browny points. Anyway am not impressed, not that's any concern of yours.

If you are who you say you are and what you claim to be: a broadcast engineer, then show us your worth. I can see heaps of techniques that a "broadcast engineer" or an electronics engineer" or an electrical engineer" can apply to the work of Keshe but the design appears to be unfathomable to those of us that haven't the inside scoop.

I have an inside scoop to this work and I wish to discuss it with others but cannot when there are false prophets as yourself squirming listless appraisals muddying the water.

You are not alone, clearly. The rent a mate system coming to your aide since my last post __ roflmao __ it doesn't get any better

I knew before asking you wouldn't meet, so don't worry none, I have much better things to do.

[Snoweagle]

I haven't posted for a while when I returned to read the Keshe thread specifically. I view the site often and have been disappointed at the fabric of posters on the daily read portion promoting mischievous nonsense drowning the potential good that was once the cornerstone of the site.

I came to read about Keshe and to read the comments of his supporters, Aurelius and JayBee and others as they were participating in the whole course.

I am horrified by what I found. Its disgraceful the way these posters are attacked by "Avalon friends" forcing them to experience the worst kind of ridicule. Forcing them to defend their mentor and his work, a man who is blatantly been attacked by the same establishment that promotes dissension here within the forum itself. In my opinion.

Is this really the Avalon legacy that built a super library database of humanities past?

I hope those Keshe supporters return in earnest and encourage them to post their views, opinions and results, positive and negative as they feel fit to do.

Only by discussion and discernment can we enable humanity to prosper. Let that be our legacy here at Avalon.

[Nick Matkin]

Since your posts here are confrontational, even aggressive, why should anyone want to meet the person behind them?

Please remember this is a forum '...where science and spirituality meet'. Lively discussions and controversial debate are surely part of that. You seem to be overreacting to having to read ideas contrary to your own.

As for the plasma reactor giveaway, it's all over his website, apparently done on 16 October 2015 to various ambassadors in Rome.


...Streamed live on Oct 16, 2015. This is the 3rd Ambassador Meeting, being held in Rome, Italy, on October 16th...The Magrav-Power Systems will be given to the Ambassadors that have confirmed. You can see the list of confirmed Ambassadors on the Keshe Foundation Forums: http://forum.keshefoundation.org. The unit is designed specifically to be affordable to every person on the planet. For a cost of $200 every home can generate power and not be reliant on power companies. For those who cannot afford the unit funding will be available from many sources around the world. ... Keshe says that within the next 6 to 12 months [from October 2015] our world will have changed dramatically for the better as manufacturing will have created enough units for the entire world.

And there's more stuff about it not being possible for any organization to patent it, free to the world, etc. Well, here we are seven months later. The price of petrol has fallen significantly so maybe Keshe's invention is behind that - or maybe not.

As a cheer leader for him, with the inside scoop, perhaps you have followed his hours and hours of Knowledge Seekers Workshops and have made you own device, following the detailed instructions. Or maybe you have instead spent a few hundred euros and bought one, since it will pay for itself in a few months. What's not to like about that? If you haven't done that yet, you could do so, and show your independent results all us armchair Keshe sceptics?

Magrav-Power coils are available on Amazon, but not the entire reactor. This seems odd as there is surely a demand by now.

[Daozen]

I've realized that there's no point in reasoning with Keshe supporters so don't have much time for this post.

It's interesting how you paint Nick, myself and any other doubters as 'the bad guys' Snoweagle. Remember the Keshe community have lifted large amounts of donations and payments from supporters. You are all partially responsible for that, with all the noise you are making. Drinking ganz water, which may be comprised of toxic heavy metals, and some of the other dangerous experiments you advocate, could hurt someone one day. It's made a lot of people significantly poorer. 800USD for a Magrav unit is a lot of money. Especially when there is very little evidence that any of them work.

Yes, Project Avalon is a tolerant place, but this does not mean people should unquestioningly swallow dangerous hoaxes. In my view, this open mindedness is being taken advantage of.

Look at the pages of drama that has resulted from my simple request for one Keshe supporter to prove him right, by posting a schematic showing how to light an LED. TargeT was right, the reactions in this thread look alot like crybullying: playing the victim in order to control the narrative. I've asked more than ten times, and none of you can deliver. So while you might be sincere, you might want to think again who the villain is here.

There is a severe lighting crisis going on in Africa right now. It's no fun to inhale kerosene fumes all day:

http://www.lightsforlife.org/impact_of_lighting_poverty_on_children


High Cost [of Kerosene]

The dependency on imported oil is generally high in developing countries and governments must often provide large subsidies to consumers. Supplies of kerosene are subject to restrictions and the price can escalate several folds as villagers often buy from black markets.

A typical household kerosene lamp is used three to four hours per day with weekly fuel consumption of about one litre. At this level of usage, families can spend up to 40 percent of their income on kerosene. A survey in Rwanda showed that rural and urban families spend over $8 per month on kerosene even though most of the population is well below the poverty line earning less than $2 per day.

Health Risks

The World Bank estimates that 780 million women and children breathing particulate laden kerosene fumes inhale the equivalent of smoke from two packs of cigarettes a day. The result is that two-thirds of the adult female lung cancer victims are non-smokers.

Keshe is taking attention and money away from decent people trying to create effective change with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>workable<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< projects like these:

http://solarlightforafrica.org/
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/oct/22/solar-power-energy-africa-low-carbon-campaign-kofi-annan-bob-geldof-richard-branson
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/12/solar-lights-eradicating-kerosene-lamps-africa/

OK good luck...

[jaybee]

Light a single LED, or admit it's a hoax.




http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/keshe%20tech_zpscb7s0iel.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/keshe%20tech_zpscb7s0iel.jpg.html)


http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/keshe%20tech2_zpsuzchkgqv.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/keshe%20tech2_zpsuzchkgqv.jpg.html)



happy now - :)


I didn't make this - I just saw it and thought of you - those are Alekz beads -



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Yep, he made a 2V 10mA battery. How long will it last before it expires? If it's more than 10 days - well done. (That would make it a 2.4 Amp-Hour battery. Not bad if made from aluminium foil, caustic soda, copper and zinc and only the size shown in the video.)



don't forget it was nano coated copper wire and GANS was also used (Gas At Nano State)


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in info bit about above video --- Published on Oct 4, 2015
Copper GANS, Tio2 gans,NAOH, tissue paper, aluminum foil, zinc sheet. Power output is 4v. Current is 11ma. With a red 1v LED 1-20ma. I have observed that after consuming power and low voltage reading from the cells it will gradually rise in voltage again to 4 volts 11ma is not much but the potential to increase current is possible. I was playing with this before I made this video.


so the voltage replenishes itself rather than expires..?...


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Light a single LED, or admit it's a hoax.




http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/keshe%20tech_zpscb7s0iel.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/keshe%20tech_zpscb7s0iel.jpg.html)


http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/keshe%20tech2_zpsuzchkgqv.jpg (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/beeejay/media/GANS%20and%20nano%20coating/keshe%20tech2_zpsuzchkgqv.jpg.html)



happy now - :)


I didn't make this - I just saw it and thought of you - those are Alekz beads -



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Thanks for posting that Jaybee. I am not a bull headed debunker. If there is something there, I am very interested, because electric light is a dire necessity in many households.

I think it's fair to ask for a schematic so the experiment can be replicated at some point, but it's a good start.

Cheers!






Thanks for posting that Jaybee. I am not a bull headed debunker. If there is something there, I am very interested, because electric light is a dire necessity in many households.

I think it's fair to ask for a schematic so the experiment can be replicated at some point, but it's a good start.

Cheers!


You're welcome :)

here's further info and diagrams about the 'beads' - the GANS cells -


http://www.keshefoundation.org/image/Alekz-System-07-02-15-r4.pdf

and there are the videos I put in #709 -



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Look at the pages of drama that has resulted from my simple request for one Keshe supporter to prove him right, by posting a schematic showing how to light an LED. TargeT was right, the reactions in this thread look alot like crybullying: playing the victim in order to control the narrative. I've asked more than ten times, and none of you can deliver. So while you might be sincere, you might want to think again who the villain is here.


indeed we might want to wonder who the villain is here....

Is your memory really that short...?....see the posts quoted above and what you yourself said --

your persistent attacks and negativity with all things Keshe is errrrr 'interesting'..


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[Nick Matkin]

That group of gans cells is generating 4.4V DC and on the 20mA meter scale it's reading 0.13mA, which is a power of just over half a watt (0.572W). Interesting, but nothing you can't do with a few nails and a couple of lemons or potatoes as demonstrated by many videos, like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB11w2c4RnM

Now, if the configuration were to last for ever, that's something important. But there are no reports of that as far as I'm seen anywhere. Once the gans cells' oxides and electrolytes 'decompose', it is either a rechargeable secondary cell or a non-recharable primary cell. Ether way it doesn't look like it has any significant power density, and that's what the world is crying out for - very high-power density batteries! Lithium cells are about the best available to the public at present.

The Keshe gans cell is supposed to do something with AC too. They appear to claim the ability to enable a 3kW device to only require 1kW from the supply. Although according to a Keshe statement published on the Pure Energy System website (http://pesn.com/2015/12/01/9602696_Keshe-Magravs-Power-systems_being_recalled/) these devices have been recalled...

Edit: As the eagle-eyed will have noticed, 4.4V at 0.13mA (if the multimeter was switched to the 20mA scale as stated in the Power Beads magrav video in #804) is not 'nearly half a watt' at I stated, but much less. It is in fact only 0.572mW, three orders of magnitude less! My error.

[Daozen]

indeed we might want to wonder who the villain is here....

Is your memory really that short...?....see the posts quoted above and what you yourself said --

your persistent attacks and negativity with all things Keshe is errrrr 'interesting'..


Maybe you should lay off the Ganz water for a few days, Jaybee. You're in libel territory there with your insinuations. A photo means close to nothing, I'm afraid. You need a schematic and replicable step by step instructions. I said thanks, because your photo was one step forward from nothing, but no more information was forthcoming.

Let me know if you manage to light that LED. I'm rooting for you. At the point where Keshe technology surpasses a potato light, I will probably become his most fervent supporter.

These photos are of real experiments, BTW:

http://images.inmagine.com/400nwm/sciencephotolibrary/spl021/spl021162.jpg

http://www.miniscience.com/projects/PotatoElectricity/Three_potato_LED.jpg

[jaybee]

Keshe I believe is demonstrating new technology which "sits in the doorway" of access to free energy. It's up to his students, apostles and disciples to move forward with the concept. This is my perception and currently very happy with this.


This is how I think about it as well --- that this is the beginning of a new technology that is very different from what we have now -

I don't know about it all or understand it all - I'm just picking it up here and there as I go along -

I think it's a HUGE project that is mind boggling in it's potential and scope - for the future but the near future as well - it's hard to put into words and I think you either get it or you don't at a deeper level -

It's heart warming tapping into it and even if it's only through the internet (for me) it's clear that there are some very intelligent and beautiful souls involved - so many people all over the world beavering away and enjoying the alchemy and the learning and sharing -

It's no wonder the infamous Powers That Be are having a dicky fit with all the knowledge and potential being handed to the public - :) - that's not how the elite work and the only thing they can do to combat it is damage limitation - trying to put people off - ridicule etc etc.

cheers for your supportive posts ---

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[Snoweagle]

Since your posts here are confrontational, even aggressive, why should anyone want to meet the person behind them?

Please remember this is a forum '...where science and spirituality meet'. Lively discussions and controversial debate are surely part of that. You seem to be overreacting to having to read ideas contrary to your own.

As for the plasma reactor giveaway, it's all over his website, apparently done on 16 October 2015 to various ambassadors in Rome.


...Streamed live on Oct 16, 2015. This is the 3rd Ambassador Meeting, being held in Rome, Italy, on October 16th...The Magrav-Power Systems will be given to the Ambassadors that have confirmed. You can see the list of confirmed Ambassadors on the Keshe Foundation Forums: http://forum.keshefoundation.org. The unit is designed specifically to be affordable to every person on the planet. For a cost of $200 every home can generate power and not be reliant on power companies. For those who cannot afford the unit funding will be available from many sources around the world. ... Keshe says that within the next 6 to 12 months [from October 2015] our world will have changed dramatically for the better as manufacturing will have created enough units for the entire world.

And there's more stuff about it not being possible for any organization to patent it, free to the world, etc. Well, here we are seven months later. The price of petrol has fallen significantly so maybe Keshe's invention is behind that - or maybe not.

As a cheer leader for him, with the inside scoop, perhaps you have followed his hours and hours of Knowledge Seekers Workshops and have made you own device, following the detailed instructions. Or maybe you have instead spent a few hundred euros and bought one, since it will pay for itself in a few months. What's not to like about that? If you haven't done that yet, you could do so, and show your independent results all us armchair Keshe sceptics?

Magrav-Power coils are available on Amazon, but not the entire reactor. This seems odd as there is surely a demand by now.

Post #791 - I returned to the thread to offer my support for the participation of others involved in pursuing study of Keshes work.

Within a few hours, having clearly logged the thread to broadcast to them any new posting, two of you pounced on me like Hyenas on Carrion. And bombarded me with scorn. ROFLMAO
Was that because I was showing my interest to the topic in a positive way?

You allege "Lively discussions and controversial debate . . ." as a mantra, yet support abject mockery and personal attacks as the fundamental to science enquiry. Even threats of libel at ones own defensive stand:-)
You see, I do not know what is contained in those lectures by Keshe. I'd like to know.
What does concern me, is the lack of documentation of the science that he aspires as being a breakthrough for humanity. My knowledge and intuition tells me something else.

I personally believe, from what I have seen until now, that Keshe has not revealed everything that is taking place within his experiment. There appears to me to be something missing from the technical information so far available that I have seen.. This, suggests to me also, is the reason Keshe is still alive today. So when I say I may know something about what is going on here, I will not discuss it foolishly.

All I will say from my perspective, everything that we know about science is a mischievous lie. If you quote from a book, then I will crush you:-)

The answer is staring us in the face and we are blind to it.

When I was younger I too had a poster sized Periodic Table on the wall of my study. roflmao
I couldn't see then what the trick was. I now know.

Look at the Periodic Table of Elements. What characteristic or attribute is not listed or identified?

Maybe this will help, Go to the wikileaks page for the definition of energy. There are heaps of examples and they even make up new names as they go along for each emergent form.
What is the characteristic or attribute that links them all?

And if those two questions have you flummoxed then consider the work of Boyd Bushman the NASA guy who in twenty seconds demonstarted the secret and it was lost on the interviewer and audience alike. So, in that twenty seconds Boyd spun a lodestone or some will know it as a "rattlesnake" which behaved differently when spun in opposite directions. Questions one and two depend on this science for this peculiarity to happen.

Now back on topic. Keshe's work is of interest to me and I would like to hear from those on the inside without petulent and irrelevant attacks not relating to the science.

I cherish criticism. Good honest respectful criticism, scrutiny and debate. The science at Avalon needs to raise its game; each of us has that responsibility.

[Snoweagle]

I've realized that there's no point in reasoning with Keshe supporters so don't have much time for this post.

It's interesting how you paint Nick, myself and any other doubters as 'the bad guys' Snoweagle. Remember the Keshe community have lifted large amounts of donations and payments from supporters. You are all partially responsible for that, with all the noise you are making. Drinking ganz water, which may be comprised of toxic heavy metals, and some of the other dangerous experiments you advocate, could hurt someone one day. It's made a lot of people significantly poorer. 800USD for a Magrav unit is a lot of money. Especially when there is very little evidence that any of them work.

Yes, Project Avalon is a tolerant place, but this does not mean people should unquestioningly swallow dangerous hoaxes. In my view, this open mindedness is being taken advantage of.

Look at the pages of drama that has resulted from my simple request for one Keshe supporter to prove him right, by posting a schematic showing how to light an LED. TargeT was right, the reactions in this thread look alot like crybullying: playing the victim in order to control the narrative. I've asked more than ten times, and none of you can deliver. So while you might be sincere, you might want to think again who the villain is here.

There is a severe lighting crisis going on in Africa right now. It's no fun to inhale kerosene fumes all day:

http://www.lightsforlife.org/impact_of_lighting_poverty_on_children


High Cost [of Kerosene]

The dependency on imported oil is generally high in developing countries and governments must often provide large subsidies to consumers. Supplies of kerosene are subject to restrictions and the price can escalate several folds as villagers often buy from black markets.

A typical household kerosene lamp is used three to four hours per day with weekly fuel consumption of about one litre. At this level of usage, families can spend up to 40 percent of their income on kerosene. A survey in Rwanda showed that rural and urban families spend over $8 per month on kerosene even though most of the population is well below the poverty line earning less than $2 per day.

Health Risks

The World Bank estimates that 780 million women and children breathing particulate laden kerosene fumes inhale the equivalent of smoke from two packs of cigarettes a day. The result is that two-thirds of the adult female lung cancer victims are non-smokers.

Keshe is taking attention and money away from decent people trying to create effective change with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>workable<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< projects like these:

http://solarlightforafrica.org/
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/oct/22/solar-power-energy-africa-low-carbon-campaign-kofi-annan-bob-geldof-richard-branson
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/12/solar-lights-eradicating-kerosene-lamps-africa/

OK good luck...

Is that really your very best argument from somebody that doesn't have time to post yet produces the plight of energy in Africa and the burning of kerosene on the the work of Keshe.

This thread is about the science of Keshe. If it works and why it doesn't work.

You along with others are the ones derailing this enquiry, this investigation, this discussion and this scrutiny.

Keshe's life has been threatened. The same people that have threatened him have there Horde integrate into forums across the world to disavow such conjoinment to prevent participation. Are you one of those?

You pour whimsical and foul at my stance at your attacks on me, Aw shucks, did you want to tickle my tummy too:-)

You refer to controlling the narrative. Yet the dissenters here, with little or no science to back them up and squealing like stuck pigs at the falseness of Keshes claims without even debating the science, which collectively most of us do not have, deny us our enquiry. It is shameful behaviour.

@Target At least with Target he admits to being self taught and I believe he would happily embrace positives should they emerge from Keshes work.

Do I believe in Keshe? Hmm, not really Keshe himself but rather his science. From what I have seen, has immense promise and I believe would work if tackled differently. But, like many here, I haven't seen the documents or media so the best I can muster is support for those that are involved. I seek the positive and want to study the failures. That's what I do.

That's why I returned to this thread post #791 to promote my support for those willing to discuss the science of Keshe.

Then you attacked me:-)
whoops

Anyway, time to move on with on topic discussion. Lets all do Keshe over time, with a positive twist, rather than waste each others time with drivel of mockery and complaints.

Everyone is a student of success and an expert at failure. Lets be students.

[Daozen]

Keshe I believe is demonstrating new technology which "sits in the doorway" of access to free energy. It's up to his students, apostles and disciples to move forward with the concept. This is my perception and currently very happy with this.


It's no wonder the infamous Powers That Be are having a dicky fit with all the knowledge and potential being handed to the public - :) - that's not how the elite work and the only thing they can do to combat it is damage limitation - trying to put people off - ridicule etc etc.


Why would "TPTB" need to pay someone to discredit Keshe, when his followers are doing an excellent job of making him look bad by themselves?

[Johnny]

Keshe I believe is demonstrating new technology which "sits in the doorway" of access to free energy. It's up to his students, apostles and disciples to move forward with the concept. This is my perception and currently very happy with this.


It's no wonder the infamous Powers That Be are having a dicky fit with all the knowledge and potential being handed to the public - :) - that's not how the elite work and the only thing they can do to combat it is damage limitation - trying to put people off - ridicule etc etc.


Why would "TPTB" need to pay someone to discredit Keshe, when his followers are doing an excellent job of making him look bad by themselves?

OK, enough is enough. It seems that you have great pain with this thread, so in the context of your signature ( "the love that you withhold, is the the pain that you carry... (lifetime after lifetime)..." - Alex Collier.),

you will kindly stay away from this thread.

Thank You !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny

[Daozen]

Keshe I believe is demonstrating new technology which "sits in the doorway" of access to free energy. It's up to his students, apostles and disciples to move forward with the concept. This is my perception and currently very happy with this.


It's no wonder the infamous Powers That Be are having a dicky fit with all the knowledge and potential being handed to the public - :) - that's not how the elite work and the only thing they can do to combat it is damage limitation - trying to put people off - ridicule etc etc.


Why would "TPTB" need to pay someone to discredit Keshe, when his followers are doing an excellent job of making him look bad by themselves?

OK, enough is enough. It seems that you have great pain with this thread, so in the context of your signature ( "the love that you withhold, is the the pain that you carry... (lifetime after lifetime)..." - Alex Collier.),

you will kindly stay away from this thread.

Thank You !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny

No.

You are sponsoring and promoting a criminal enterprise that;

1) Sells faulty Magrav units that may cause house fires, and definitely wastes hard working people's money. The units were 800USD and were recalled after none of them worked.
2) Encourages people to drink water which is poisoned by heavy metals, "Ganz water" as a health drink.
3) Takes 10,000 USD deposits for space flights when no proof of concepts have been offered.
4) Distracts from genuine efforts to bring light and energy to the developing world.

If you can't take public scrutiny, start a private mailing list. Yours is the organization involved in large scale financial and medical fraud. The evidence is out there for anyone to find for themselves.

[jaybee]

You are sponsoring and promoting a criminal enterprise that;

1) Sells faulty Magrav units that may cause house fires, and definitely wastes hard working people's money. The units were 800USD and were recalled after none of them worked.
2) Encourages people to drink water which is poisoned by heavy metals, "Ganz water" as a health drink.
3) Takes 50,000 USD deposits for space flights when no proof of concepts have been offered.
4) Distracts from genuine efforts to bring light and energy to the developing world.

If you can't take public scrutiny, start a private mailing list. Yours is the organization involved in large scale financial and medical fraud. The evidence is out there for anyone to find for themselves.


what a cop out --- the last line -

if you can't provide any evidence for what you're saying - real evidence not just hearsay or half truths that are twisted to fit your anti Keshe agenda - your words are nothing -

the path to a new technology that can revolutionize society over a period of time --- in the same way electricity did - is always going to meet opposition and misunderstanding - but the stance you are taking in this thread is just ridiculous -

you cannot be for real



IMO :)


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[Daozen]

It was 10 grand deposit, not 50, my mistake:

http://www.keshefoundation.org/media-a-papers/interviews/144-keshe-launching-energy-generation-and-space-exploration-plasma-technology-en

Recalled Magravs:

http://pesn.com/2015/12/01/9602696_Keshe-Magravs-Power-systems_being_recalled/
http://revolution-green.com/crowd-funding-for-keshe-scam/

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http://www.keshefacts.org/
http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/2015/10/clear-speak-m-t-keshe-is-a-fraudster-and-sociopath-and-his-inventions-are-an-esoteric-scam/

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More another day...

You can ask for evidence all you want, but maybe you could provide some yourselves, - of a functioning Keshe device- instead of repeating empty rhetoric.

[jaybee]

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One of the little tricks of organized debunkering :) is drawing threads into argument and making people defensive - so to get away from that - and to present something positive here's a nice short video of a Magrav unit made by someone in Norway - there are people all over the world enjoying doing home experiments - based on the Keshe teachings -


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[Daozen]

Great, another shakycam video of a badly wound coil and an ohmmeter.

I find it interesting that Cobra, Keshe, Wilcock, SSP and Cosmic Voice supporters are all trying to convince themselves that anyone who won't buy their story is a paid debunker... Sorry, but that is cult-think, and I speak as someone who believed in all these people at one point or another.

http://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html


Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.

Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

[Nick Matkin]

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One of the little tricks of organized debunkering :) is drawing threads into argument and making people defensive - so to get away from that - and to present something positive here's a nice short video of a Magrav unit made by someone in Norway - there are people all over the world enjoying doing home experiments - based on the Keshe teachings -


n4c7njxQTHg

Yes, it is a nice short video.

But you've completely missed the point. What does it prove without any power in - power out measurements?

[jaybee]

It was 10 grand deposit, not 50, my mistake:

http://www.keshefoundation.org/media-a-papers/interviews/144-keshe-launching-energy-generation-and-space-exploration-plasma-technology-en

Recalled Magravs:

http://pesn.com/2015/12/01/9602696_Keshe-Magravs-Power-systems_being_recalled/
http://revolution-green.com/crowd-funding-for-keshe-scam/

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http://www.keshefacts.org/
http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/2015/10/clear-speak-m-t-keshe-is-a-fraudster-and-sociopath-and-his-inventions-are-an-esoteric-scam/

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More another day...

You can ask for evidence all you want, but maybe you could provide some yourselves, - of a functioning Keshe device- instead of repeating empty rhetoric.


just the fact that you have linked to 'keshefacts.org' tells me all I need to know about your 'evidence'....


Keshe isn't perfect and the presentation of the teachings isn't perfect --- there have been some things that are a gift to the debunkers brigade -

BUT

to try and trash the whole thing is just wrong and you cannot be for real - IMO -

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[jaybee]

Yes, it is a nice short video.

But you've completely missed the point. What does it prove without any power in - power out measurements?


I think you have missed the point -It proves that there are people from all over the world doing experiments at home inspired by the Keshe teachings - don't you think that's a good thing.?

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[Daozen]

just the fact that you have linked to 'keshefacts.org' tells me all I need to know about your 'evidence'....

Sorry, where's your logic? I linked to a debunking site, so the stories of Keshe taking 10,000 for spaceships with no tested devices aren't true? Sorry, but that doesn't follow...

That deposit money story came from his official site.

[jaybee]

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This is from the same guy from Norway who made the video I put in my post 815 ---


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Anyone think home experiments and exploration of a potential new technology for the future is not a good thing.?

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[Daozen]

Anyone think home experiments and exploration of a potential new technology for the future is not a good thing.?



Yes, it is a wonderful thing. This planet desperately needs new energy. I've been promoting VAWTS and hand cranked lights since 2010. These things *work*. Nothing Keshe offers actually works, and therefore he is part of the smokescreen blinding humanity to its own potential.

[Nick Matkin]

Yes, it is a nice short video.

But you've completely missed the point. What does it prove without any power in - power out measurements?


I think you have missed the point -It proves that there are people from all over the world doing experiments at home inspired by the Keshe teachings - don't you think that's a good thing.?

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Of course experimenting is a good thing, but that is an experiment proving nothing. There are no attempts at making even rudimentary measurements. Pointing a camera at some mains operated devices connected to something in a box is a very long way from proof or evidence. Can you not see that?

I think this is pointing to one of the problems here. There are those trained to examine evidence, assess repeatable results and draw concisions based on those repeatable results who just cannot understand why there is such a wholehearted embracing of something that has not been shown to be repeatable by independent labs.

Apparently all you need to do is buy one of these!! Have you done that?

If I had one of those devices, either made by myself or one I bought, I would be over the moon to show what it did, showing a clear wiring diagram, and all the different measurements both on the diagram and on the real device. I'd make sure all the power factor and waveform measurements were not giving misleading results, because someone would be bound to notice and shout 'foul!'.

Now, tell me, is any of that an unreasonable thing for anyone to do if they want to prove these things worked - even if how they worked was unclear?

[jaybee]

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This video comes from the Philippines -


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Published on Dec 7, 2015
Blueprint Lesson 4 - Plasma Capacitor Making

With Renan of the Keshe Foundation Philippines group, teaching how to make Plasma capacitors.


the purpose of this series of videos I'm posting is to show creative people from all over the world who are inspired by the Keshe teachings - and shows the international nature of the Keshe Foundation --


trust me there is an abundance of examples :)

:thumb:

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[jaybee]

Of course experimenting is a good thing, but that is an experiment proving nothing. There are no attempts at making even rudimentary measurements. Pointing a camera at some mains operated devices connected to something in a box is a very long way from proof or evidence. Can you not see that?


I can see that people are doing their own experimenting and sharing in the way they want to - at least they are having a go and not just moaning about 'proof' on a forum thread :)

[Nick Matkin]

OK that's the making of a 'Plasma Capacitor' is it? What values would it have when completed? That meter didn't even have a capacitance measuring scale. The finished item should have shown capacitance.

Did you understand what the measurements were? What scale the meter was set to?

I guess not.

(This whole matter is like trying to nail jelly to a wall!)

1) After the copper wire was heated to near red heat, it oxidised. That oxidised coating has a resistance, varying upon the exact position on the wire and the pressure applied to the wire at that point. This varying resistance is clearly shown on the meter set to a low resistance range. The video explains this varying reading by some reference to 'fields interacting', but without defining what these fields are. It's just resistance varying along an oxidised copper conductor.

2) The oxidised copper is then wrapped in paper soaked in what appears to be and alkaline baking powder. This makes a rudimentary cell (battery) as shown by the meter now switched to voltage showing some randomly fluctuating millivolts.

And this is supposed to be a 'Plasma Capacitor' is it? Well I can tell you it's nether a useful capacitor (look it up) nor a useful cell. If it had any capacitance that should have been measured in the video.

Elsewhere, Keshe says you can buy commercial capacitors for this job, yet he is vague on what value (in micro-Farads) or working voltage they should be. But they would certainly have capacitance and not resistance or voltage as demonstrated in that video.

Again, a typical unclear example 'something' being made.

[Daozen]

What's interesting Jaybee, is that you demanded concrete proof from me:


if you can't provide any evidence for what you're saying - real evidence not just hearsay or half truths that are twisted to fit your anti Keshe agenda - your words are nothing -

and then one hour later ignore someone asking you to prove your own theories:


I can see that people are doing their own experimenting and sharing in the way they want to - at least they are having a go and not just moaning about 'proof' on a forum thread

So who's for real?

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Moving forward:

This small light here could save millions of people from dependence on Kerosene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_moNYQmzlyA

Here's a homemade VAWT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFerHBNS9BE

Here's a maglev VAWT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOI2vCFItAk

[jaybee]

Again, a typical unclear example 'something' being made.

nick ----- it's a work in progress -all of it - no amount of demanding proof or definitive explanations is going to change that - you didn't get anything from the video but that doesn't mean that no one will -

[jaybee]

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more Keshe related home experiments from around the world --- Australia.? -


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[Nick Matkin]

jaybee,

Please, could you find some experimenters showing their devices working? With some clear readings of input and output power? Volts, amps, watts, waveforms? With perhaps a clear diagram showing how it's all connected together and where the measurements are taken indicated on the diagram, just like in a real science demonstration?

These devices are supposed to work in the real world with real world equipment, so can we see some clear, real world measurements please after so many years of experimentation, by so many experimenters?

After all that's what these devices are all about - generating or saving power.

Thanks.

[jaybee]

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Nick

I'm not here to do your bidding - even if you do say please and thank you :)

you can look for what you want yourself - or not - it's up to you

but bear in mind (what you desire regarding your post above) -

"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" ~~ Carl Sagan



cheers


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[ThePythonicCow]

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Nick

I'm not here to do your bidding - even if you do say please and thank you :)

you can look for what you want yourself - or not - it's up to you
Where could he look? (That's a rhetorical question ... by all evidence available to me so far, no one on this thread knows the answer to that question.)

I am not aware of anywhere that such evidence exists, nor do I see any where near sufficient evidence on this thread that those supporting Keshe's work even understand what would be suitable evidence.

Rather all manner of excuses and misdirections and finger pointing are used to deflect requests for suitable evidence.

Those asking for suitable evidence, whether presented here or referenced elsewhere, are probably wasting their time asking for it here. The Keshe supporters here apparently lack the understanding of electricity and magnetism required to competently evaluate the claims.

All we (myself included, with this post) are doing is burying what might be good and useful work, by someone somewhere (I doubt by Keshe, but I have no way to know) in this area of better understanding the physics of matter, energy, electricity and magnetism, and in the potential technologies that might make good use of such better understanding.

[jaybee]

Where could he look? (That's a rhetorical question ... by all evidence available to me so far, no one on this thread knows the answer to that question.)

I am not aware of anywhere that such evidence exists, nor do I see any where near sufficient evidence on this thread that those supporting Keshe's work even understand what would be suitable evidence.

Rather all manner of excuses and misdirections and finger pointing are used to deflect requests for suitable evidence.

Those asking for suitable evidence, whether presented here or referenced elsewhere, are probably wasting their time asking for it here. The Keshe supporters here apparently lack the understanding of electricity and magnetism required to competently evaluate the claims.

All we (myself included, with this post) are doing is burying what might be good and useful work, by someone somewhere (I doubt by Keshe, but I have no way to know) in this area of better understanding the physics of matter, energy, electricity and magnetism, and in the potential technologies that might make good use of such better understanding.


I've offered what I can in terms of information - videos etc that I thought were of interest -

If that's not good enough - what can I do ?

There is loads of information on the internet and anyone who is really interested can dip into it - and look deeper if they want to - and reject it if they want to - I can't give you or Nick or Daozen the definitive evidence or proof you want - here on a forum thread -

I'm just learning about it all myself -

The hostility on this thread is off putting and disappointing but I've tried to stay positive with my posting -

edit to add ---- I know it's not all about me :) but you quoted what I said so I made this reply -

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[ThePythonicCow]

I've offered what I can in terms of information - videos etc that I thought were of interest -

If that's not good enough - what can I do ?
I doubt that there is much you can do.

Those who lack sufficient skill in and knowledge of the electro-magnetic properties, circuits and technologies involved are typically not in a position to evaluate what is required to evaluate such endeavors.

You might as well ask me to evaluate the harmonic overtones of a Mozart concerto ... I simply lack sufficient understanding to be of use.

[Johnny]

You might as well ask me to evaluate the harmonic overtones of a Mozart concerto ... I simply lack sufficient understanding to be of use.

But you believe it can be done, why do you do that ?

Can I get a water heater to work without you Paul, a Nobel Prize winner or whoever is able to measure anything on it other than the heat, I would not be bothered with it at all. The state is (formally) not able to measure how,

what we call an UFO is able to move, it does not mean they (the UFOs) do not exist, or does it ??

If you could make an UFO and make it work you would probably not be 69 years old !

Johnny :)

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm sorry, Johnny, but I am mostly unable to make sense of your last reply, just above. For example you ask "why do you do that?" Why do I do what?

But one aspect of your reply I am guessing I can make sense of. You seem to think that I am denying the existence of something because I don't know how to do it.

That is not what this controversy on this thread is about, and it is not what I said and it is not what I think. That aspect of your response is grossly unfounded.

I am not denying the likely existence of "unconventional" physics and of technical mechanisms based on such physics, that could produce abundant energy, essentially for "free", in perpetuity.

I am denying that Keshe is demonstrating any such technology. I am claiming that those here on this thread who claim that Keshe has or is demonstrating such technology have themselves thus far demonstrated no adequate capacity to evaluate whether Keshe has any such technology, and, what's a bit worse, seem unable (or unwilling?) even to realize that they are thus unable. I am claiming that those on this thread who claim that Keshe is demonstrating that he has any such technology are flat wrong.

[jaybee]

I am not denying the likely existence of "unconventional" physics and of technical mechanisms based on such physics, that could produce abundant energy, essentially for "free", in perpetuity.

I am denying that Keshe is demonstrating any such technology. I am claiming that those here on this thread who claim that Keshe has or is demonstrating such technology have themselves thus far demonstrated no adequate capacity to evaluate whether Keshe has any such technology, and, what's a bit worse, seem unable (or unwilling?) even to realize that they are thus unable. I am claiming that those on this thread who claim that Keshe is demonstrating that he has any such technology are flat wrong.


Johnny might want to reply but I just want to chip in here ----

re what you have said above - you are entitled to your opinion of course although for myself - I don't know if '''claiming''' is the right word to use --- I've seen and heard enough to make me think there is something to take notice of and to follow --- bits of a bigger picture that can be filed away in the memory banks and gathered on the back burner giving understanding (and evaluation) a chance to grow -

the small number of posters on this thread that have been open to and/or generally supportive (or just curious) of what the Keshe Foundation is doing - is only a tiny tiny part of the bigger picture -

For example there is this article by Ian Greenhalgh... on the VT webpage about Keshe technology helping to clean up the contamination from the Fukushima leaks -

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/03/24/fukushimas-dark-secret-keshe-tech/



Ian Greenhalgh is a photographer and historian with a particular interest in military history and the real causes of conflicts.

His studies in history and background in the media industry have given him a keen insight into the use of mass media as a creator of conflict in the modern world.

His favored areas of study include state sponsored terrorism, media manufactured reality and the role of intelligence services in manipulation of populations and the perception of events


a couple of quotes from the article linked to..



VT readers will be well aware of the work of Keshe and his Foundation by now; some may remain skeptical about ‘Free Energy’ due to an education in a model of physics that was falsified by the deliberate omission of the ‘aether’ from all ‘accepted’ theories and models to the extent that anyone who delved into any research of the aether was ridiculed and sidelined, academics steered well clear in fear of ruining their careers – even those with tenure.

Today we received news which reminds us that Keshe’s work and the technology derived from it is about much more than just ‘free energy’ and has implications and possibilities that could be truly world transforming.

Readers will no doubt be aware of the poisoning of the ocean by the still leaking Fukushima-Daichi nuclear reactor; this is a very worrying situation not just for the people of Japan or the Pacific Rim but in global terms.

Therefore, news that Keshe’s GANS technology is being used by Tepco to clean and purify the radioactively contaminated water is very welcome indeed.


and if you want to see some big claims - :)



......................THIS VALIDATES KESHE TECH and shows people that the tech is being suppressed by Japans government. Why? You and I know why… Keshe tech is changing the world – it will rid the planet of the need for oil, gas or hydro electricity and will remove the control of Monsanto, pharmaceutical companies, banks, etc… All of the powers that were are affected by the acceptance of Keshe technology, even religion.


whatever our opinions - there are articles out there --- information to be considered --- and evaluated...

I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's a huge project that's in progress


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[Johnny]

I'm sorry, Johnny, but I am mostly unable to make sense of your last reply, just above. For example you ask "why do you do that?" Why do I do what?


It should not be that difficult to understand, even though English is not my first language. :)


But one aspect of your reply I am guessing I can make sense of. You seem to think that I am denying the existence of something because I don't know how to do it.

NO !! More what is scientifically proven, to day !!




I am not denying the likely existence of "unconventional" physics and of technical mechanisms based on such physics, that could produce abundant energy, essentially for "free", in perpetuity.

Good ! But I think I sense a bit of "you cannot get more out, than what you come in" :) and that is probably true in a conventional manner.


I am denying that Keshe is demonstrating any such technology. I am claiming that those here on this thread who claim that Keshe has or is demonstrating such technology have themselves thus far demonstrated no adequate capacity to evaluate whether Keshe has any such technology, and, what's a bit worse, seem unable (or unwilling?) even to realize that they are thus unable. I am claiming that those on this thread who claim that Keshe is demonstrating that he has any such technology are flat wrong.

That is OK.

As I have stated before in this thread, I see Keshe's technology as the real "missing link" and I do not think the missing link between apes and humans.

I've heard him (Keshe) say several times to those who work with his technology and achieve results, NOT to get it out on YouTube, because it would/could put their lives in danger.

The entire technology is up against huge forces, that I think most here at PA probably have a feeling exists.

I have also before admitted that Keshe is a lousy teacher, he cannot draw, his writing is illegible, he often mutters when he is talking etc. so I do understand if people give up understanding him.

Johnny :)

[sms]

Just to report that the Magravs unit is definitely working, however, one unit would probably not be enough, in most cases. I have purchased one unit from Keshe Foundation and and I started conditioning it on the 27. February, this year, as per the guidelines:
http://galaksija.com/foto/mg-1.jpg

http://galaksija.com/foto/conditioning.jpg
I am not much into electrics and I have not measured outputs, only an average electricity expenditure. As I live on a farm, I had a daily average of 42KW before using the unit, and as I started using it, the daily average went down gradually to ~20KW. Though, I have still not connected the unit as per the scheme below, I just connected it to the power point closest to the meter.
http://galaksija.com/foto/magravconnection.jpg
I guess I would need another one or two of cascading units, however, I am not sure what to say to the guys from the company which supplies the electricity, as they would certainly turn up to see what was going on, if my electricity bill drops down drastically. OK, I can say that I was testing some special “CERDs” (Carbon Emission Reduction Devices), however, I do not think that they would be much impressed with that, let alone the governments which are shedding crocodile tears when the carbon emission is in question.

I would not be surprised if they find an excuse to ban it. Only thing which may prevent it, could be if a certain threshold of awareness would be reached by the general population, but that would be hard to expect, in this heavily controlled reality.

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[Johnny]

Just to report that the Magravs unit is definitely working, however, one unit would probably not be enough, in most cases. I have purchased one unit from Keshe Foundation and and I started conditioning it on the 27. February, this year, as per the guidelines:
http://galaksija.com/foto/mg-1.jpg

http://galaksija.com/foto/conditioning.jpg
I am not much into electrics and I have not measured outputs, only an average electricity expenditure. As I live on a farm, I had a daily average of 42KW before using the unit, and as I started using it, the daily average went down gradually to ~20KW. Though, I have still not connected the unit as per the scheme below, I just connected it to the power point closest to the meter.
http://galaksija.com/foto/magravconnection.jpg
I guess I would need another one or two of cascading units, however, I am not sure what to say to the guys from the company which supplies the electricity, as they would certainly turn up to see what was going on, if my electricity bill drops down drastically. OK, I can say that I was testing some special “CERDs” (Carbon Emission Reduction Devices), however, I do not think that they would be much impressed with that, let alone the governments which are shedding crocodile tears when the carbon emission is in question.

I would not be surprised if they find an excuse to ban it. Only thing which may prevent it, could be if a certain threshold of awareness would be reached by the general population, but that would be hard to expect, in this heavily controlled reality.

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I would not be surprised if they find an excuse to ban it.

Nor would I, I do not know what country you come from, but this country has already been made clear to that it costs a lot of money to be withdrawn from the grid. A few years ago Goldmann Sachs bought 19 % of

the company which owns the grid. I do not know if those two things has anything to do with each other.

Here are some videos about home made systems in progress:


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Please also read the comments. In the last video even our 'old friend' ZeroFossilFuel is very close to admit that it works.

I think this video is remarkable.
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There are now almost many testimonies showing progress. 'They' can kill them all !

Johnny :)

[Nick Matkin]

Regarding #840 -- At last - we seem to be getting somewhere...

I've seen the guy in the first video doing mad high voltage and high current stuff before, and while he doesn't act like an engineer, he appears to know more or less what he's doing. He didn't explain it clearly in his video, but the pound figure increasing on the electricity meter is his credit I think, as he uses a pre-paid credit meter, which is only apparent when you read through the comments in his youtube video. He also has solar panels, which would increase his credit, but how these would interact with the Magrav is not demonstrated.

The second video of "stuff being plugged in" wasn't much use until the comparative power in and power out measurements (assuming that's what they were, i.e. before and after the Magrav device), were shown. But I'm not sure if these measuring devices can give false readings if the power factor is wrong or the waveform is not sinusoidal. I have a similar one and they’re are not pieces of lab gear, so may well be fooled by very inductive or capacitive loads, or by a distorted AC sinewave. It may read lower power, but that might not be what's actually happening.

The wand in the third video (by same guy as in first) is not a measuring device, it is an indicator of electric field and the 90V figure is only approximate. It will react to noise and fields of AC and DC - at least the one I have does. Comparative measurements with the Mavrav connected and in the house, and another with it well away would be really useful to show if the wand is just picking up stray fields, or really has something to do with the Magrav 'conditioning' the house wiring.

Nevertheless, his work is interesting and people like him, with some technical understanding, will eventually reveal the Keshe Magrav truth.

I admit to still being unconvinced, but I await developments with interest.

[sms]

Nor would I, I do not know what country you come from, but this country has already been made clear to that it costs a lot of money to be withdrawn from the grid.(...)

I live in Australia, but the situation is everywhere pretty much the same. Though, I am wondering how Keshe managed to mass produce the units in Italy!?

I have 3.5KW solar panels, as well, however, it is a grid on system where I can not use the electricity produced by the solar panels. For this power, we are currently getting 20 cents/KW, however, this rebate will last till the end of the year and from then on, we have an option to install batteries to store the solar energy and use it, or to give it away for free. So far, I have heard that the cheapest solar energy storage option with Tesla batteries would cost ~7000A$ with installation, which makes Magrav units much cheaper option, especially if one makes them by himself. In fact, the prices here for a grid off solar energy systems have been set up so, that are not completive with the power companies. The “solar mafia” (as I call them) imports almost everything from China very cheaply and then they charge several times more when installing the systems. Several years ago I looked to buy an acreage and to build a house there, however, there was no power line in a close proximity. I have asked the power company for a quote to get the power line to the house site and it was 50000A$, then I asked the solar mafia for a quote for a grid off solar system, and it was 50000A$.

I think that Keshe’s “plasma energy” is the same as what W. Reich named “orgone energy”. I remember when, more than 16 years ago a guy from here invented, so called, “Joe Cell” (there is a lot disinfo and info on internet about it) which, as he and many other people claimed, produced orgone and it was powering cars. Some people who used the cell were saying that after a period of time the cell was used, the car would go without the petrol, even if you remove the cell. Nobody could explain it, then. Now, what I think was happening, the engine and the wiring were nanocoated in the same way Magrav device does it with electrical wiring in a house, so the plasma/energy gets produced between the nanocoat and the metal itself?!

Personally, I am not so desperate for a free energy, however, I would like to see that people somehow overcome this psychopathic control system on this planet and a free energy would give people some independence and make their life easier. When I listen to somebody, I have a pretty accurate feeling if the person is honest and if he is saying the truth, and so it was when I listened to Keshe’s lectures. I knew this guy was saying the truth when he was talking about the Magrav’s units and plasma energy. And, too many people around the world have been involved around the project, so it could not be just another hoax.

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[Johnny]

Nor would I, I do not know what country you come from, but this country has already been made clear to that it costs a lot of money to be withdrawn from the grid.(...)

I live in Australia, but the situation is everywhere pretty much the same. Though, I am wondering how Keshe managed to mass produce the units in Italy!?

..

He (the foundation) has also made a deal with one or more banks in Italy, that people can borrow money for a device by paying 10 Euro per. month until the unit is paid.

There is a difference (I think) to be connected to electricity and to use it. Some years ago, the electrical wiring were removed from the air and put in the ground here where I live. In this context, I should also have

a new meter unit with fuses etc. (The old unit was from about 1946) I chose a larger unit and so even to pay it myself instead of renting it by the company, so I suppose I without charge may exclude the embedded electricity,

simply by not use it, but I'm not quite sure.

I know that several years ago when many people went from oil heating to natural gas, so there was a minimum consumption of gas as payable. That was the reason I stayed on oil.

I know it also cost a great fee to be disconnected from the gas-grid.

Johnny :)

[Snoweagle]

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Working Magrav + Solar Panels - Keshe Tech' - Strange things Happening

1:27 The field around the device is approximately 3" wide, it also seems as if it is getting larger.
2:16 240V AC (mains source) from a Grid tie Inverter to plug socket (NOT Magrav) - activates the 90-1000V AC Voltage Tester (VT) as it should. (ie the mains supply to the inverter)
2:26 Inverter input from Solar Panels rated at 14-28V DC also activates the VT (Voltage Tester) as well. Implying the field around the conductors (cables) is greater than 90V.
2:40 The single wire neutral conductor on the output side of the inverter between solar panel and inverter alone activates the VT seperately from the Line conductor.
2:54 Both cables, positive and negative (DC) to the solar panels activate the VT.
3:09 Note: There is also a diode mounted in the switch, it's for battery charging. Also activates the VT.
3:41 The casing of the Inverter also activates the VT but maybe it's not enough to shield the large torodial field. The other idea is that it's being nano coated also . . . We'll see.
3:42 Note: Apologies for the annoying beep!Correct me if I'm wrong but that is NOT normal, only an AC live wire should register.
4:03 Note: 20 V DC maximum between the Inverter and the Solar Panels, yet still activate the VT.
4:20 Note: Chris the experimenter asks for somebody to explain to him what is going on. Excellent request and appropriate:-)
4:55 Note: The plasma field whilst allegedly high voltage will only give what is needed.
5:19 Solar Panel on my shed roof - approx 8 (eight) metres away from the Magrav unit and still showing signs of a +90V AC electromagnetic/plasma field
5:50 the VT activates in close proximity to the solar panel (approx 10-30mm)
5:50 Note: With clouds going over the way they were (on the day of filming) the maximum voltage form the solar panels should have been 17V (DC), my guess is that the Field (emission) is the same as the mains line but it is plasmatic 240V AC 50 Hz (apparently). Detection is up to 1.5" away from the panel - The detector is brand new.
6:07 Note: Chris exclaims he doesn't know what is going on as the system and the tester are brand new.
6:20 Note: Chris notes the field emitted is greater than 90V that his detector is measuring and shouldn't be there
6:22 Solar panels use diodes that prevent power from leaking back into the panel itself, the field seems to have bypassed the diodes completely because it is very clear that there is a high voltage EM or Plasma field being detected which can only be 90V minimum.
6:33 Note: Again Chris asks for help understanding what is going on here
6:47 Chris describes verbally the circuit voltage conditions that should exist with this sytems set up normally without the Magrav
6:47 Note: I am getting reading at night (presumably from the VT rather than the solar panel)
6:52 Inverter input (from the solar panel) is 28V DC maximum
7:00 Chris states that it is impossible for voltages greater than 90, which the VT is detecting, being sourced from the standard Inverter/Solar panel circuitry.

Chris now returns indoors and starts to describe the anomaly with his power extension lead.
(The 4 way extension lead he embarks on testing is plugged into a 30V 5A power supply which is itself plugged into the Magrav power supply. Without confirmation I believe Chris had used this set up to provide the load for the Magrav during the "teaching" process of the Magrav system. Therefore the following examination of apparently mains socket outlets are in actual fact Low Voltage (LV).

7:20 Whole power point is Live without being turned on. (the VT activates while in proximity to power extension lead when the supply switch at it's source to which it is connected is turned off)
7:35 Power supply is plugged into it and switched On to show there is no power in the 4 Socket plug. (Chris is measuring the plug top at the 4 way socket outlet to demonstrate there is no mains power at the plug top - however the VT activates suggesting the plug top and the 4 way socket outlet is still emitting the plasma field)
7:51 Chris demonstrates with the power extension lead de-energised, that the outlet itself and the cable which is still plugged into the Magrav supply, yet still switched Off, is still emitting the plasma field. The range of emission is still around 10-30mm here as well as found on the solar panel outside.
8:35 Chris now energises the power socket outlet and the VT now measures the mains voltage at the extension lead outlets as it should. Everything appears to work as normal.
8:42 Chris now turns Off the supply to the extension lead.
8:47 Again the extension lead activates in the presence of the plasma field.
8:47 Note: And the whole thing acts live - Help me understand that LOL. (Chris is asking the global community to assist in his understanding of these results)
9:00 Note: Unplug it that'll stop it
9:00 Chris unplugs the extension lead.
9:10 That has eliminated the presence of the plasma field activating the VT
9:15 Note: Plug it in again and turn On
(9:16 - 9:18 the socket outlet that Chris alleges is supplying his extension lead has an energised neon indicator signifying that source is active.)
9:21 Note: No turn it off (Observation: when plugging the extension lead back into the source, Chris had automatically momentarily turned the extension lead back on before immediately deciding to turn it off. Argument: flash charge consideration, holding charge or capacitive inference)
9:25 Note: 90V+ without being turned On . . .
9:32 Note: No power going to my 30V 5A power supply, confirmed.
9:37 Note: Power on this time. (Chris has switched the extension lead source socket)
9:42 Note: Power on this time. (Chris turns on the 30V 5A power supply to the source socket for the extension lead which is under measured and observational test)
9:48 Note: Then it starts behaving normally again with a normal EM field (the VT behaves normally and indicates the live parts of the circuit as the VT is designed to do. No apparent plasma field)
10:10 Chris asks "How, why is that doing that?
10:25 Chris remarks how much he enjoys the fun with Trolls:-)
11:11 Chris turns off the 30V 5A power supply once again
11:16 Chris turns off the extension lead socket outlet from the power supply which in turn has connected to it the extension lead under observation.
11:22 the extension lead socket under test is now denergised from it's source supply yet indication by the activation of the VT that the plasma field is again present.

Now Chris moves away to an extension lead that is not connected to the Magrav and supplied from the mains voltage of the building. Alongside which is another extension lead which is connected to the Magrav unit. These both are seperate from those of the previous testing earlier.
11:37 Note: The plug socket here is on a seperate wall plug outlet no more than 2ft (600mm) away from the socket that the Magrav device is plugged into and the device seems to be affecting this 4 way extension lead also.
12:03 Note: It still needs to closer to pick up the field normally (referring to the VT). (observation: these extension leads have busbar connections snaking through the design)
12:21 Chris now turns attention to another extension alongside the first. Note: This 4 way socket is connected directly to the Magrav. The field around this 4 way plug socket is almost as large as the field around the Magrav. approx 1.5" (10-30mm)
12:30 Chris explains this extension lead has the lights (Magrav teaching load?) plugged into it
12:45 Note: (Plasmatic) Field around the cables that go to the 12 watts of LED lamps is approx 1" (25mm)
13:15 Note LED lamps on magrav output (11-20W) (from this extension lead under scrutiny)
14:08 Note:The field is more than likely a 250V 50 Hz but it is said that Plasma only gives you what you need, it is not possible to recieve anymore than that.
14:21 (commenting on the non Magrav unit extension lead alongside the one that is) Note: Behaving slightly normal but not quite (observation: Chris has noted that being in proximity to Magrav influence may be enough for the transfer od some plasma field reaction. He notes the VT is sort of working properley)
14:29 Note: The meter reader may be radiating its own field. (referring to the device occupying one of the sockets on the non Magrav extension lead.
14:54 Help me understand - Chris

Working Magrav + Solar Panels - Keshe Tech' - Strange things Happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJsovcIlePs

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As can be seen from the experiences of this Keshe Builder that the science is not about electricity or about magnetism directly but it is about electrostatics and magnetostatics. It is the field dynamic which is not included in everyday technical books.

So anyone asking for the Keshe Magrav experiment to produce tangible measurable or Laboratory quality electrical or magnetic values is wasting everybodies time. Ignore them.

As far as I am concerned, the Magrav works. Based entirely on the work of this experimenter.

In my opinion this is a "doorway tech". By becoming involved great knowledge awaits those that percevere as the understanding grows in that community. Teach the young, educate them and peek their interest, at least provide our descendants the opportunity to succeed.

Key to the operation is the field dynamic and the interaction with the GaNs (whatever that is) allegedley nano coating the circuit elements.

I do have an understanding of what is going on here already but have no wish to muddy the water by distracting the Keshe enquiry.

I have said for a long time - Everything we know about science and the past is a load of baloney. Our current technical books are filled with virtual garbage when investigating the very real and dominant science of the Natural World.

TWATS: Those Whom Are Taught Systematically.

TWATS are people like me for forty years I fought a battle with electrical interference as part of my daily work and believed I had been protecting the engineering requirements of others. Over time I doubted what I had been doing was necessary and spoke out. Each time crushed. Each time I went looking elsewhere for answers. Thanks to the internet (and a stroke) I found what I had sought.

Keshe has opened the door here to something new - embrace it, support those that participate in the experiments.

Thank you once again Aurelius, Johnny and JayBee. Keep up the great work:-)

[Nick Matkin]

So anyone asking for the Keshe Magrav experiment to produce tangible measurable or Laboratory quality electrical or magnetic values is wasting everybodies time. Ignore them.

It may well be door-way technology. Nevertheless, it will need to work in the real world with real equipment consuming (and saving) tangible measurable power. The power in/out measurements need to show tangible effects, if not you might as well put an orange in the room and claim that's having effects on the power consumption of your hair dryer, but these effects cannot be detected by conventional physics, so to ask for proof is a waste of time.

So I guess you'll buy one based on all the evidence. Like I said it should pay for itself in a few weeks. Let us know how you get on.

[Snoweagle]

So anyone asking for the Keshe Magrav experiment to produce tangible measurable or Laboratory quality electrical or magnetic values is wasting everybodies time. Ignore them.

It may well be door-way technology. Nevertheless, it will need to work in the real world with real equipment consuming (and saving) tangible measurable power. The power in/out measurements need to show tangible effects, if not you might as well put an orange in the room and claim that's having effects on the power consumption of your hair dryer, but these effects cannot be detected by conventional physics, so to ask for proof is a waste of time.

So I guess you'll buy one based on all the evidence. Like I said it should pay for itself in a few weeks. Let us know how you get on.

In fairness you are right in one respect only, the need to record accurately the charge content of the inputs and outputs. Other than that, you continue to bleat on about this being an electrical product or system. It is neither.

IT IS NOT AN ELECTRICAL MACHINE - It is an electro/magneto/static device that is creating a nano charged surface* on the conductors which emits a complex convoluted static field directly proportional to the charge "training" of the GaNs component and commits a draw down from dark matter (the scalar component) or driving element. This is the plasma field identified by Chris in the video above.

The only viable electrical component from our electrical and magnetic training that applies here is the pre and post wattage of the fixed load that the Magrav is attached. No other traditional mainstream electrical or magnetic values of themselves are valid.

The video above clearly depicts this device working in the real world.
Also, post #840 written by an Australian farmer, @sms, describes in some detail how his device has reduced his Kw load by nearly 50% and his concern is not the technology but of the threats the electrical suppliers will have on his usage of the devices. Measure that!

You are so hell bent on destroying the continuity of this thread you contradict yourself within your own comments. You bang on about "tangible measurable power" and end with "these effects cannot be detected by conventional physics". As if you would know anyway. Yes, am calling you out again as a technical charlatan.

Oranges and hair dryers? wtf C'mon Nick, you could have at least raise your game with suitable analogies.
If it wasn't for the fact that I value my Avalon membership more than telling you what an idiot you are prevents me from doing so. So I won't.

Why don't you give something back to the community other than constant criticism. Here's how you might help and show some positive participation, as it was something I considered doing myself.
In the following video, which I had found on the Keshe Foundation website under the category of Blueprints is a cry for help. It's a cry for help from a Keshe Magrav builder who is experiencing some technical problems. She is a disabled lady and built the unit all by herself. And it works. roflmao
It must be a choker for you hearing this, they are all doing it Nick except you lol
Anyway, this disabled lady needs help as when she crimped the ends of her coils together she clearly hadn't bound them tight enough and they are arcing and sparking like a little fire cracker. Clearly this is a safety concern and I found myself drawn to contacting her though I haven't done so yet, so now I am passing the baton to you:-)
And don't worry none, whilst her first language is English she also speaks Hebrew:-)
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Instead of fighting those participating in this Keshe experiment, try and become more involved, more productive and definitely more positive.

Are you "effing" kidding me, me buy a Magrav, no mate, I would build one (or more). But primarily I will teach or assist the teaching of the tech. Based on what I witnessed in that video I transcribed, there is a magnificent playground of undiscovered technology there waiting for pioneers. Sign up Nick.

What have you done today to make yourself feel proud?

[Nick Matkin]

What have you done today to make yourself feel proud?

Not relevant to the thread, but as you asked: Yesterday I gave a considerable amount as my monthly donation to Oxfam - who would no doubt be very interested in Keshe's work for obvious reasons. Today, I gave three hours of my unpaid, free time, counselling someone who's partner - now diagnosed with bi-polar disorder - tried to kill him with a knife and who can now no longer work.

I have not been "fighting those partaking in this Keshe experiment", but what I have been doing is pointing out the measuring inconsistencies in the numerous videos for those who may not have a technical background.

Yes, I'm gutted some people say they work (that's irony by the way). I'll be even more gutted when they are for sale on Amazon and in John Lewis. Will it be long now do you think, or will TPTB ensure that does not happen? (They don't seem to have blocked the distribution of the plans or videos.)

Glad you have the skills to make one. Indeed, why buy something when you make it yourself. Like I said, let us know how you get on.

It's probably time you blocked my postings as you obviously find them unhelpful.


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[Snoweagle]

It's probably time you blocked my postings as you obviously find them unhelpful.m

No Nick it isn't my intention to block you or anyone else and my scorn at some of your posts is driven by direct positive action. You have talents in science which would be beneficial to those participating in this alternative energy science. Sadly, you generally use your technical insight to crush the aspirations of others especially with this Magrav development. Yet you support a similar line of technical ambition of a 13yr old on this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90774-13-Year-Old-Invents-Tesla-Inspired-Free-Energy-Device-for-Under-15
Arguably there is no difference. One candidate is a 13yr old aspiring technical scientist and here we have an established scientist in Keshe. Your opinions of both are poles apart.

The technology under discussion in this thread will not be found in any modern books. I would expect this level of science that Keshe has released to be available to scientists in high energy physics and shrouded in scientific paper, peer reviewed, technical double speak which only the indoctrinated have access. In fact I would suggest there were more book publications governing this science as being of interest to this topic published at the turn of the last century rather than today.

Give up the argument on measurement for now, it will become very important later when the number of active Magravs start producing real world values such as the Australian farmer alluded to earlier. The science of electro/magneto/statics overlaps broadcast engineering science in a disruptive way just as it does across all of the sciences. Yet science has yet to design any form of functional packaged electro/magneto static measuring device to facilitate the measuring of this dynamic field component. High level physics have such devices but they are big and dedicated and designed to suit monster projects in accelerators and trons. The Magrav and its future derivatives will need affordable mobile instruments of some sort.

When the Keshe supporters and practitioners started this thread they were upbeat, yet the Avalon community turned on them quite viciously in my opinion. Yet the same community are falling over themselves for the secrets to free energy, yet castigate those embarking on the Keshe mission which is an unknown commodity. Because people did not understand, just as your posts promote, they were shredded daily. And we have here one that works and the by product is an apparent plasmodic field around the conducting elements of the circuit. Surely that must peek your interest?

This plasma field alluded to in the transcribed video is an exciting phenomenon which I would now like to share the investigation with others. Realising it's existence has invigorated me immensely, especially when I consider the prospective potential that has. Keshe is correct, it has health and space potential. It's glorious.

This science is not going to go away and it will not be stopped by authorities as this has now gone world wide with practitioners every where. Don't delude yourself that it will be stopped, it won't. So I am saying to you Nick do your self a favour and help the lads building their devices and instead of critical scorn, promote encouragement, ideas and direction. Don't waste it on being nasty, the world will read those comments in years to come. The internet remembers.

Others are reading this who have conjoined in this disparagement of Keshe, so be it. The party is over guys, Keshe has produced a flashing light (voltage tester) so now we need to team up and support the Keshe disciples of whom I have great respect. (what kind of person sits through 115 (?) 3-5hr lectures voluntarily for free. rhetoric) That commands respect.

Help them out Nick, it's much more fun and be a part of the adventure. The lovely thing is, not one of us has the collective solution alone but together with our sciences it's done:-)

[ThePythonicCow]

Sadly, you generally use your technical insight to crush the aspirations of others especially with this Magrav development.
Aspirations to false or confused pseudo-science do not grant one a license to be free of challenges.


The technology under discussion in this thread will not be found in any modern books.

Just because (which is likely so) the truth of many matters of science does not lie in modern books does not mean that whatever is found outside those books is necessarily true.

In short, and in sum, please seek out the ways of proper understanding and inquiry, that we may work together to improve our shared awareness of such topics as discussed on this thread.

Protesting crushed aspirations and demanding respect, while not offering much respect, are, in my view at least, not the way to accomplish what we need to be about.

[Snoweagle]

Absolutely Paul, quite agree, nobody has a licence to be free of challenges. This project has just turned the corner and there is a need now for the community to quit joking around. Playtime is over with regard this emissive energy. Call it what you will, it does appear very real and now should be taken very seriously. Unfortunately, I sometimes become over bearing and to this community I do apologise for any apparent upset I may cause.

Pseudo science is defined as: a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.
Well, this project definitely fits this description so the community is now breaking new ground in the search for free energy. And it is most certainly different.

This definition does also have implications to the role of Project Avalon and the rest of the alternative media as these type of discussions about oddities of science do fall into that category.
Wikipedia defines pseudo science here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience
And the List of topics characterised as pseudo science here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience

So when we compare the mainstream science list of topics characterised as pseudo science with the list of categories available here at Project Avalon, they are virtually identical.

Therefore, by definition, Project Avalon is a pseudo science forum.

Anyway, thank you for addressing me about my recent posts regarding the methods of testing and evaluation of this emerging product. I had had intended not to cause offence but the nature of the prospective problem needed strong emphasis and correction. New thinking is required here. In this respect this is an exciting time but I strongly urge caution.

I would never demand respect. It has to be earned. I have used the term "command respect" as a preferred alternative when talking of others here and elsewhere. Should you find in anything I have ever written the word demand attached to the word respect I deeply apologise as I despise the term. I advocate command as that advocates "choice" and not "force".

This topic is about the Magrav builders, I cherish the prospect that more will enrol here and Project Avalon becoming a "haven" for them to discuss their experiences. We must as a community engage without the negativity, especially in light of those recent tests. We must employ constructive criticism and generate appropriate guidance to those pioneers. If we are able of course.

I acknowledge your concern over my conduct in the earlier posts. I would like the topic to find its own positive root from here on. Thanks.

[Johnny]

Primarily it can boils down to: If we (humans) are frozen in what we believe science can prove today without remembering that there are many theories, that have been 'science' today because it has been repeated

so many times, where one forgot to use the word theory (it is also called brainwashing, mind control, maybe not consciously done, but the result is the same), we would only be able to make changes ('inventions') within it,

and that may quite certainly made many more.


The worst thing is that we only think we can go forward, and this is where Keshe's work breaks with 'rules'. At the beginning of this video (which is from today) comes Keshe with an explanation of why so many

find it so hard to understand the work. That is why I call it 'the missing link' :) You can start at 10.00 min. (117th Knowledge Seekers Workshop June 9 2016)

http://livestream.com/KFWorkshops/KSworkshops?origin=stream_live&mixpanel_id=f67cba9a6c83-0dcf08ee1-43681f0a-2ee000-f67cba9a6d73c&acc_id=15654822&medium=email

Johnny :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Primarily it can boils down to: If we (humans) are frozen in what we believe science can prove today without remembering that there are many theories, that have been 'science' today because it has been repeated
I think that there is a misunderstanding of what some of us doubters of Keshe (myself, at least) are doubting.

There is the conventional science taught in our schools and universities for the last century, which gets a lot of things right, and some critical, fundamental, things very, very wrong.

There is a proper discipline of doing science, the study of whatever matter, energy (of such kinds as electro-magnetism), and ether (whatever that might be, if such it be) that form the physical universe.

Robert Distinti, in his brilliant, slowly evolving, reconstruction of electro-magnetism, has been working out a better understanding of how such "proper science" should be done. Here's a two year old version of his Rules of Acquisition (www.distinti.com/docs/ROA_v1_0.pdf). You too can be one of the mere handful following Distinti's work, at his Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti. Distinti is mostly an engineer skilled in the arts, crafts, and theories of electricity and magnetism, but he has found it important to reconstruct some of the philosophy of science, as well as to reconstruct the mathematics of the vector calculus needed to express his theories.

We (well, myself at least) are not criticizing Keshe for not following conventional science, and consequently for not realizing the claims of improved theory or of improved technology that he claims. We all agree that conventional science is profoundly flawed. We all agree that what Keshe claims would be wonderful, that such would have a profound effect on human civilizatin, and that such is quite likely, in some form unknown to most of us, realizable.

We are criticizing Keshe for not having a proper discipline for doing science, and we sometimes get frustrated with some supporters of Keshe, when our criticisms are misunderstood as criticisms coming from the position of conventional science.

We want to go where Keshe says he's going, and we want to leave the failed science that Keshe is leaving behind, and we suspect that this path resembles what Keshe is describing.

But Keshe, whether he knows it or not, appears, to me at least, to be functioning as a "limited hangout', "controlled opposition", leading us into a swamp, not to the mountain top.

[ThePythonicCow]

At the beginning of this video (which is from today) comes Keshe with an explanation of why so many find it so hard to understand the work
We all agree with Keshe's criticism of conventional science.

It is the content of Keshe's work that some of us do not find persuasive. His work seems admirable in its goals, but it is not, so far as I have discerned so far, a proper basis for improved understanding or technology in its own right.

[Johnny]

At the beginning of this video (which is from today) comes Keshe with an explanation of why so many find it so hard to understand the work
We all agree with Keshe's criticism of conventional science.

It is the content of Keshe's work that some of us do not find persuasive. His work seems admirable in its goals, but it is not, so far as I have discerned so far, a proper basis for improved understanding or technology in its own right.


So you just have to wait. The day, when you understand the basis of the technology, do not blame me or others :)


We are criticizing Keshe for not having a proper discipline for doing science

Personally I do not care much about 'proper discipline', I've often seen things be done because of lack of 'proper discipline'. But one day there will surely come a person and describe the technology with 'proper discipline'.

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

This is just too stupid, or what ?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-09/welcome-to-larry-page-s-secret-flying-car-factories

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

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[Aurelius]

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[TargeT]

He also has solar panels, which would increase his credit, but how these would interact with the Magrav is not demonstrated.
....
I admit to still being unconvinced, but I await developments with interest.

I've got a solar system... the amount of variables introduced by a grid tie solar system (which is the style he has) makes anything he did irrelevant with out data from the solar system (how much power its producing etc..).

so... yea.

Looks like this ball is still rolling along eh?


I've seen nothing yet to convince me this device does anything useful; I still review new things on this topic.. if you go back through the history of PA you'll see I was a pretty big proponent for a while there, years ago. now I'm just plain skeptical.


This is just too stupid, or what ?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-09/welcome-to-larry-page-s-secret-flying-car-factories

Johnny :)

Life certainly will be interesting in the next 5-10 years....

here's the Zee.Aero prototype:
http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/6r363-on-Instagram-611x420.png

[KiwiElf]

NEWS FLASH! Tuesday 26th July – Keshe to announce major scientific breakthrough

By Ian Greenhalgh on July 24, 2016

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/24/news-flash-tuesday-26th-july-keshe-to-announce-major-scientific-breakthrough/

A not to be missed event, be present at one of the defining events in man's scientific progress
Keshe
NEWS FLASH!!! NEWS FLASH!!! NEWS FLASH!!!
Tuesday July 26th, 2016, at 10AM CET
The Keshe Foundation Space Ship Institute will release information about a major breakthrough in the world of science and spaceship technology.

The event will be broadcast live on the internet via Live Stream, YouTube and Zoom platforms.

It is essential that you participate in the broadcast and even more importantly – share this knowledge to as many others as possible!

In this way we can stop any attempts at suppression of this humanity changing information!

Live Stream link:
http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705

YouTube Streaming channel:
http://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

Zoom link:
https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503

[jaybee]

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Thanks for the heads up KiwiElf ....


http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/54564-the-123rd-knowledge-seekers-workshop-will-be-tuesday-july-26-2016



The 123rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be Tuesday July 26 2016 at 10 am CEST. (1 am Pacific time)

This workshop is expected to be a major breakthrough in the world of science...and the Spaceship program!

(Note: This Workshop will start on Tuesday not Thursday.)

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[KiwiElf]

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Thanks for the heads up KiwiElf ....


http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/54564-the-123rd-knowledge-seekers-workshop-will-be-tuesday-july-26-2016



The 123rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be Tuesday July 26 2016 at 10 am CEST. (1 am Pacific time)

This workshop is expected to be a major breakthrough in the world of science...and the Spaceship program!

(Note: This Workshop will start on Tuesday not Thursday.)

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You're welcome - hope Aurelius (and other interested parties) spots it too. VT seems to be quite supportive of Keshe's work ;)

[jaybee]

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Thanks for the heads up KiwiElf ....


http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/54564-the-123rd-knowledge-seekers-workshop-will-be-tuesday-july-26-2016



The 123rd Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be Tuesday July 26 2016 at 10 am CEST. (1 am Pacific time)

This workshop is expected to be a major breakthrough in the world of science...and the Spaceship program!

(Note: This Workshop will start on Tuesday not Thursday.)

.

You're welcome - hope Aurelius (and other interested parties) spots it too. VT seems to be quite supportive of Keshe's work ;)


:thumb:

it's just started now ----

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[Callista]

Thank you for the heads-up KiwiElf - listening now - amazing stuff!! I want to make my own spaceship!!

[KiwiElf]

You're welcome Callista - hope we can put up a YT video of the finished presentation :)

[Callista]

Oh yes! a YT vid would be excellent as I couldnt watch all the live stream. The content was fascinating - I felt on one level I didnt understand it at all, but on another level it made perfect sense. So I would love to have the opportunity to go over it again.

Has anyone tried the generator? Would be interested in any feedback on how efficient it is...

[TargeT]

Has anyone tried the generator? Would be interested in any feedback on how efficient it is...[/SIZE]

Yes, this would be interesting!

;)

I would love to see an example, just one....?

[Johnny]

Has anyone tried the generator? Would be interested in any feedback on how efficient it is...[/SIZE]

Yes, this would be interesting!

;)

I would love to see an example, just one....?

You can look at this:


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http://www.magravsplasmaproducts.com/

Johnny :)

[Callista]

Thanks Johnny - I have seen this - but I would like to hear from someone who has actually used it to get their feedback.


Here is the latest from the Keshe Foundation - it is the vid of the livestream from the other day

123rd SPECIAL PRESENTATION Knowledge Seekers Workshop - July 26, 2016 @ 10AM CET


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CazzOb2b9ek

[KiwiElf]

Fantastic Callista :) - I hoped it (the video) would show up. Apparently Keshe has been overwhelmed with orders for his generator since the live streaming a few days back. (am trying to find the article). Part of it mentioned that perhaps the human conciousness and positive will may somehow interact with the devices - in other words, the user might be part of the equation (and may also explain why some people can't get it to work). This isn't the first time I've heard of this with "human interaction" in regard to "free energy" type devices; this goes back a long ways (ie from memory - also a guy called Keeley - who used sound waves to propel a motor, and a whole lot more inventors I can't remember, right back to the early 1900's).

Rex Research - if they're still around - used to have hundreds of papers about these kinds of inventions

EDIT Downloading the above video now - ouch 2.5 GB! ;)

[Johnny]

Thanks Johnny - I have seen this - but I would like to hear from someone who has actually used it to get their feedback.



There is as you know two kinds of magrave units. Magrave power and magrave generator. The last type is brand new and hardly come out to the buyers yet, it was the one shown in the video.

Many have built their own magrave power, but not made them able to work, probably because of poorly resolved or incomplete / incorrect blue-print in the beginning, but there are also many who have gotten them to work.

There will soon be published the blue-print for the magrave generator.

You can try to contact the Australian & New Zealand foundation: http://www.keshe-plasma-products.com/store/australia/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=20 there is a telephone number on the top :)

But the bottom line is: a new era has begun !

Johnny :)


but I would like to hear from someone who has actually used it to get their feedback.

If you had one (total free energy in your house), would you dare to make it public ??? :)

Johnny :)

[KiwiElf]

Well Johnny, the staff from Veteran's Today who went there and saw it working shouldn't be ignored.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90681-Keshe-Maxwell-Hertz-and-the-key-to-Gravity-Electromagnetism-and-Physics-VT-article

(NOTE: Aurelius spotted some minor errors in this report but nothing to do with the technology)

Clearly, there's something to it. (And lest we forget, the naysayers said we'd never fly and that jet and rotary engines would never work either).

They were wrong. ;)

[Johnny]

Well Johnny, the staff from Veteran's Today who went there and saw it working shouldn't be ignored.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90681-Keshe-Maxwell-Hertz-and-the-key-to-Gravity-Electromagnetism-and-Physics-VT-article

(NOTE: Aurelius spotted some minor errors in this report but nothing to do with the technology)

Clearly, there's something to it. (And lest we forget, the naysayers said we'd never fly and that jet and rotary engines would never work either).

They were wrong. ;)

I was talking about the beginning 2012-2013 :)


They were wrong. ;)

They were ALSO wrong !! :bigsmile:

Science also said, if you ran over 50 kilometers an hour on a train so the brain would be blown out.

Johnny :)

[KiwiElf]

LOL didn't you know, mainstream "science" is the new mainstream religion for the "blind" ;) :ROFL:

[Johnny]

LOL didn't you know, mainstream "science" is the new mainstream religion for the "blind" ;) :ROFL:

I know it is a kind of religion ! :thumbsup:

Johnny :)

[Nick Matkin]

LOL didn't you know, mainstream "science" is the new mainstream religion for the "blind" ;) :ROFL:

Well, unfortunately main-stream science has created the platform allowing this debate.

Anyway, let's see how long it is before money-grabbing concerns start stocking Keshe's devices.

[Carmody]

The problem with mainstream science is that it is the latest and greatest form of might makes right, the bulk drives the masses, the C-grade is so full and sure of it's self in it's ignorance whereas the more intelligent are careful to be correctly unsure of themselves.

That mainstream science might make it to a level of 120IQ, but the more rarefied understandings required to be met to understand the questions at hand, exceed that level of intellect, and in some ways, notably so.

Thus the connection is in... intelligence that is raised by the given self.... and cannot be brought down.


“Real learning comes about when the competitive spirit has ceased.”


“Governments want efficient technicians, not human beings, because human beings become dangerous to governments – and to organized religions as well. That is why governments and religious organizations seek to control education.”


Part of the problem of book derived science, with a set past that forces a directed future--there is no capacity for correction. Which is a dogmatic situation that will always lead to fundamental error.

“Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay.”

“The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.”
“The following of authority is the denial of intelligence. [It] may help us temporarily to cover up our difficulties and problems; but to avoid a problem is only to intensify it, and in the process, self-knowledge and freedom are abandoned.”


Which directly indicates that the problem is fundamental in science. that the errors are DEEP and FUNDAMENTAL in both the science, the thinking and mathematical formulae. The more intractable the problem ----the more fundamental the mistake in the formulation of the question.

“If we can really understand the problem, the answer will come out of it, because the answer is not separate from the problem. ”


“Thought is so cunning, so clever, that it distorts everything for its own convenience.”


Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley.

On how to encircle and control humanity:


''I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organize a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organize it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallized; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others. This is what everyone throughout the world is attempting to do. Truth is narrowed down and made a plaything for those who are weak, for those who are only momentarily discontented. Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley. If you would attain to the mountain-top you must pass through the valley, climb the steeps, unafraid of the dangerous precipices.
…
If an organization be created for this purpose, it becomes a crutch, a weakness, a bondage, and must cripple the individual, and prevent him from growing, from establishing his uniqueness, which lies in the discovery for himself of that absolute, unconditioned Truth.
… The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. I am not concerned whether you pay attention to what I say or not. I want to do a certain thing in the world and I am going to do it with unwavering concentration. I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies.

all quotes from Krishnamurti (http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/about-krishnamurti/dissolution-speech.php)

This is why observation and the rise of philosophy (and astrology*) is the true and steady father of all sciences. Science is meaningless if it has the wrong origins and emphasis. Science becomes not truth and seeking... but the yoke of control of self and group (a C-grade group of illiterate animal dogmatics), where one hangs themselves, self secure in the comfortable den of their dogmatic edifice.

(*Astrology is the pattern through time, of how the temporal world is shifted and patterned-including all human life, individuals and whatnot. The greater one's understanding of astrology the more it will show the patterns of the universe, in time... in equivalent perfection as to one's knowledge of astrology. But then again, truth is pathless land, any real and fundamental search will do. As long as we seek out error in our postulates and accept that the new can change our fundamentals. Astrology is mentioned as it was fundamental to the origins of observation and theory and all math... astrology...which became the fundamentals of philosophy and then combined....is the origins of all sciences )

The most important part of all this is that all of science, all of it in total, is based on a lack of truth in the deepest fundamentals. That the very bottom most, the very depths and anchors of all sciences, are not understood. the fundamentals are not defined. They are postulates. they are beliefs. Not even that, they are left blank. There are no facts at the bottom of the physics of all science. The stacked turtles of science are all hanging in empty space.

This is what you find, when you dig into the fundamentals of science (and associated academia).

This means that all of science is a dogmatic system of belief, a dogmatic church from the bottom up. A dogmatic church that is violently enforced by the mid level c-grade intellect/soldiers/fanatics.. which form the middle of it's herd. (an IQ of about 110-120 max, and mostly linear in design, no balance in intellect, very lopsided and myopic--which means it is easily manipulated--from just out of sight)

There is every point in evidence that it is a manipulated and controlled edifice, controlled and enforced by multiple parties and interests which are the true controllers of that particular puppet, the puppet of science...one with a great depth and wide in facets, so that it's control (science's control) is notably invisible to the general public. A general public which is a C-/D grade intellect, for the most part.

[Carmody]

Thus, the more inundated the society, the more it is in decay.

Look around you.

The same goes for the noises in the mind and life.

Clarity come from the silence, not the noise. Noise is decay and control, in self and other.

[Aurelius]

watch from the 37min mark for a few minutes: http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705/videos/131276150 (http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705/videos/131276150)

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[jaybee]

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Re the 125th Knowledge Seeker's Workshop posted by Aurelius above -

First ---- wow - things are moving fast now and I think some of that is because of what happened to Fabio and Naomi - the young couple involved in an 'accident' - but which now is not being considered an accident and is being investigated by the police - Fabio, 23 died - and Naomi is still in a coma on life support - the Keshe Foundation is broken hearted at this horrible turn of events - but instead of pulling back - is going full throttle with the teachings - Mr Keshe spent hours a day with Fabio at the KF centre in Italy and it's pretty obvious that the death of a lovely young man and his beautiful partner was some kind of punishment or warning from the enemies of the KF - Mr Keshe said that they were like love-birds together and brought happiness and laughter to the place - details cannot be discussed any more now that it is under police investigation ---

edit to add this link in remembrance of Fabio Alfonso -

https://www.kfssi.org/



We have lost one of our most precious friends, Fabio.


Love you and your soul my son, be content with the joys you have brought to the life of those whom you have touched in your short life as many with longer time on this planet cannot achieve a fraction of what you have achieved.



Bless your soul in all realms of the creations of the creator.



MT Keshe

:heart:


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I was very intrigued in the 125th KSW at the 18:00 mark when MT Keshe brought up the subject of the infamous Jerusalem UFO from January 2011 and drew that sketch of it linking it to what he was saying --

I expect many people remember the Jerusalem UFO incident - it caused extensive discussion on forums at the time - there were two simultaneous recordings - then there was a definite hoax embedded in the affair to throw people off and a forth video that could have been a clever but realistic hoax to confuse - but the first two recordings were the most important and it seemed that the people who videoed them knew what was coming and were there specifically to record the event -

I have suspected before that it may have been Keshe technology behind the Jerusalem 'UFO' footage and I think Mr Keshe, in so many words, confirmed that in the 125th KSW video -


here's the footage revisited to see the technology in action - note the rotating lights after the main event - in some videos back in 2011 those lights were more definite and red - but they aren't so prominent in this video -


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then I came across this link ---from Jan 2013 -


http://bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=30095


It seems that the 'Angel of Jerusalem' was a 'Keshe Technology Spaceship' most probably manned by Iranians for the purpose of showing the Israelis (and the world) what their capabilities are.

MT Keshe, who is Iranian by birth, made no secret of giving Iran his technology first - then he gave it to all the other countries - and now he is giving it to everyone / anyone who wants it -

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[KiwiElf]

ANNOUNCEMENT: Keshe to make birthday gift to mankind, August 2nd

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on July 31, 2016

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/31/announcement-keshe-to-make-birthday-gift-to-mankind-august-2nd/

Ask everyone around the world and your leaders to listen to the 126th Knowledge Seekers Workshop, which will be Tuesday August 2nd 2016 at 10 am CEST (1 am Pacific).

The workshop is called “THE BEGINNING”.

“ALL will understand, why you were born, and what is about to happen to military, governments and the citizens of this planet, as of that day.”
M.T. Keshe

“The 2/8/2016 is the Birthday of Mehran Tavakoli Keshe. This teaching is a gift to mankind on his birthday.”
Carolina De Roose

Please spread the word!

Livestream at:
http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705

Knowledge Seekers Workshops Zoom Meetings are held at:
https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503

Youtube Streaming channel:
http://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

[jaybee]

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Many thanks again KiwiElf for the info and reminder

should be starting in about 10 minutes

cheers :thumb:

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/54653-the-126th-knowledge-seekers-workshop-will-be-tuesday-august-2nd-2016



The 126th Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be Tuesday August 2nd 2016
07-31-2016, 08:23 AM
The 126th Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be Tuesday August 2nd 2016 at 10 am CEST (1 am Pacific).

"The Beginning". - A special public teaching session with Mr Keshe of the Keshe Foundation Spaceship Institute.

"ALL will understand, why you were born, and what is about to happen to military, governments and the citizens of this planet, as of that day." MT Keshe

Please spread the word!

Livestream at:
http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705

Knowledge Seekers Workshops Zoom Meetings are held at:
https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503

Youtube Streaming channel:
http://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

KFSSI Blueprint Download Page:
https://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/blueprint.php

Here's the link for the new Keshe Foundation Youtube site...subscribe now!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtQ...LvTpyUnQAa1mRw

Knowledge Seekers Workshops playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...hfCrSpuGDaNtRK

Folks are encouraged to show support for the KS Workshop series by donating to the Keshe Foundation at:
http://www.keshefoundation.org/intro...donations.html

Spaceship Institute website: https://www.spaceshipinstitute.org

Keshe Foundation website: http://www.keshefoundation.org

[Callista]

this livestream is about to begin now:

http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705

[Eric J (Viking)]

Pretty bold statement...


“ALL will understand, why you were born, and what is about to happen to military, governments and the citizens of this planet, as of that day.”
M.T. Keshe

We'll see....let's hope.

Viking

[jaybee]

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wow

Happy Birthday Mr Keshe :flower:


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[Aurelius]

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[Callista]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilQTsL6N_m8

[Johnny]

So this is what Keshe want 'us' to investigate:


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I don't know if the numbers are correct, but it is very impressive. Also this video about black holes are impressive


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Johnny :)

[TargeT]

So this is what Keshe want 'us' to investigate:


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was that his gift to humanity?

[Johnny]

was that his gift to humanity?

You will certainly have the full story, so you have to see the last post here from Aurelius: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1086789&viewfull=1#post1086789

Johnny :)

[ThePythonicCow]

It's useful when posting videos to say what's in them. I see a two hour video above, followed by a four and a half hour video. I am not about to listen to six and a half hours of video to see if Keshe says something substantial beyond what he's been saying.

I did watch the six and a half minute video showing us that the universe is a really big place. What that has to do with Keshe and this thread I don't know ... it might have been useful to say that as well.

[KiwiElf]

That Star Size and distance video is awesome.... and makes me feel really... small :humble:

[Johnny]

......

I did watch the six and a half minute video showing us that the universe is a really big place. What that has to do with Keshe and this thread I don't know ... it might have been useful to say that as well.

I did, but I'm willing to repeat it:
So this is what Keshe want 'us' to investigate:.

I was not aware that "grumpy old men" also visited this page :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

[KiwiElf]

Johnny - I confess I've downloaded #126 but not yet watched it. Is #127 also "valuable"? (Putting them into a folder for future reference, ie is it worth my while to DL #127? ;))

[Johnny]

Johnny - I confess I've downloaded #126 but not yet watched it. Is #127 also "valuable"? (Putting them into a folder for future reference, ie is it worth my while to DL #127? ;))

I am not a priest :ROFL:

#126 The birthday present is most about making gold.

#127: It start with Keshe repeating some teaching, after that, I will say the last part is the best. I will try to find the time stamp to you, and make an edit in this post.

Johnny :)

Edit:
The last part in # 127 which I find is very good, starts at about 3:04 hours ! but it takes about 7 minutes to get the camera on :)

[ThePythonicCow]

I was not aware that "grumpy old men" also visited this page :bigsmile:
Hmmm ... you must not be referring to me. I'm a grumpy old cow.

:) :cow: :)

[TargeT]

I did, but I'm willing to repeat it:
So this is what Keshe want 'us' to investigate:.


that we are a small part of the whole?

what a crappy gift, I already had that...


was that really it? all that hype for "hey look, we are small" ?

[Johnny]

I did, but I'm willing to repeat it:
So this is what Keshe want 'us' to investigate:.


that we are a small part of the whole?

what a crappy gift, I already had that...


was that really it? all that hype for "hey look, we are small" ?

No it was not the gift !!! :no::no:

There must be hot on the Virgin Islands :) , or are you not finished to celebrate, that Denmark this week for one hundred years ago sold the islands to the United States for 25 million $ ??? :beer: :waving:

Did you see the video in post # 867 ??? nor was it the gift ! The gift is in the video in post # 885, but in my opinion it is more to tell, what Keshe call 'The red circle', they should not have killed Fabio.

The video is about making gold, and yes I know it, you want proof :)

Most of this year the people around Keshe Foundation has been investigation the lift system (also called spaceship) and how human beeings can survive in the space for several years while investigating the universe/s.

If you don't buy the Hollywood version of how to live in the space, then you will know, they can not have a whole supermarket, a pharmacy, various doctors etc. with them, they have to do it in another way,

and that is what it is about for the time. There are many balls in the air at the same time. But it is all about the same: PLASMA !!!!

Have a nice 'hot' day :beer:

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

I did, but I'm willing to repeat it:
So this is what Keshe want 'us' to investigate:.


that we are a small part of the whole?

what a crappy gift, I already had that...


was that really it? all that hype for "hey look, we are small" ?

For clarification, now where I have my coffee, the videos (in post #887) has nothing to do with Keshe Foundation other than I did the reference to them, also because I think it was a very good presentations !!!

Johnny :)

[TargeT]

There must be hot on the Virgin Islands :) , or are you not finished to celebrate, that Denmark this week for one hundred years ago sold the islands to the United States for 25 million $ ??? :beer: :waving:

It's never hot in the VI, just warm (we occasionally hit 95* or so as our "hottest" days briefly in the summer); the humidity will trick you though ;)


On March 31, 1917 the Danish West Indies were officially transferred to the United States for $25 million (http://my-stcroix.com/transfer-day-in-the-virgin-islands/)

I don't normally celebrate for months... but living down here every day seems a bit like a celebration ;)


The gift is in the video in post # 885, but in my opinion it is more to tell, what Keshe call 'The red circle', they should not have killed Fabio.

The video is about making gold, and yes I know it, you want proof :)

If he showed the methods it shouldn't be hard to find some "I made gold" stuff out there, right?


Most of this year the people around Keshe Foundation has been investigation the lift system (also called spaceship) and how human beeings can survive in the space for several years while investigating the universe/s.
If you don't buy the Hollywood version of how to live in the space, then you will know, they can not have a whole supermarket, a pharmacy, various doctors etc. with them, they have to do it in another way,
and that is what it is about for the time. There are many balls in the air at the same time. But it is all about the same: PLASMA !!!!
Have a nice 'hot' day :beer:
Johnny :)

I thought they could create food, and... well "anything" with Co2 or GANS (http://www.kesheforum.com/page/how-to-feed-the-world-with-plasma-technology.1206/) or !!!!!!NANO COATED!!!!!!(something)?

So they really don't need to look into living in space, since they can create what ever they need with cloudy-zinc-oxide water.


Or so I read, on the internet.

[Johnny]

Oh yes, it was not 100 years ago but 101 years ago :)


If he showed the methods it shouldn't be hard to find some "I made gold" stuff out there, right?

There will probably take some time before you can find that, and what will the price of gold be at that time ? :)


I thought they could create food, and... well "anything" with Co2 or GANS or !!!!!!NANO COATED!!!!!!(something)?

I was not aware of this forum. Thanks for that :highfive:


So they really don't need to look into living in space, since they can create what ever they need with cloudy-zinc-oxide water.


That is the point ! They (we) do not need to find food or water to survive.

Johnny :)

Edit:

No is was the 4. August 1916 !!!

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Virgin_Islands


The Treaty of the Danish West Indies was signed in August 1916,[5] with a Danish referendum held in December 1916 to confirm the decision. The deal was finalized on January 17, 1917, when the United States and Denmark exchanged their respective treaty ratifications. The United States took possession of the islands on March 31, 1917 and the territory was renamed the Virgin Islands of the United States. Every year Transfer Day is recognized as a holiday, to commemorate the acquisition of the islands by the United States.[6] U.S. citizenship was granted to the inhabitants of the islands in 1927.

[Sean]

Did Keshe actually show anyone working tech after his "world government" formation on tuesday?

[Johnny]

Did Keshe actually show anyone working tech after his "world government" formation on tuesday?

No !!!

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

Did Keshe actually show anyone working tech after his "world government" formation on tuesday?

No !!!

Johnny :)

uhmmm ... i'm the past 2 weeks I've seen:

1. a fully functional, stand alone, free energy device capable of supplying many kW of power. this has been shown at least 4 times already.

2. demonstration of transmutation, this has been shown multiple times. the knowledge on how to do this has also been given, however, if you lack the basic understanding that has been rolled out of the past 2.5 yrs, this won't make much sense to you.

[Johnny]

Did Keshe actually show anyone working tech after his "world government" formation on tuesday?

No !!!

Johnny :)

uhmmm ... i'm the past 2 weeks I've seen:

1. a fully functional, stand alone, free energy device capable of supplying kW of power. this has been shown at least 3 times already.

2. demonstration of transmutation, this has been shown multiple times. the knowledge on how to do this has also been given, however, if you lack the basic understanding that has been rolled out of the past 2.5 yrs, this won't make much sense to you.

You're absolutely right, but that is not how I understood the question !

There are shown lots of things that work in the workshops about plasma, but rarely by keshe himself !

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

I recently stumbled across this excellent presentation (3yrs old), for those that understand plasma principles and concepts, this should make perfect sense, especially where MK talks about the principles behind medical systems, propulsion, food, energy systems etc. etc.

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[TargeT]

uhmmm ... i'm the past 2 weeks I've seen:

1. a fully functional, stand alone, free energy device capable of supplying kW of power. this has been shown at least 3 times already.

2. demonstration of transmutation, this has been shown multiple times. the knowledge on how to do this has also been given, however, if you lack the basic understanding that has been rolled out of the past 2.5 yrs, this won't make much sense to you.

Links? especially for the kW (1 KW?) of power production

[Aurelius]

Technology release: material production

ie. creating matter out of plasmatic fields.

the gold particles will be sent off for Raman spectroscopy analysis / confirmation

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[Aurelius]

Technology release: Energy production

As promised months ago, the mag-grav plasma generator is now being demonstrated for the 4th time (starts from the 20min mark):

The underlying principle of this device can allow it to supply Megawatts of power easily. In this demonstration 5kW of std electrical load is shown. This is a standalone device, not connected to the electrical grid.

As discussed many months ago, this technology supports the supply of AC and DC power at the same time. Each device can also consume different voltage levels at the same time ie. 110v AC, 230v AC, 48v DC & 12v DC all co-existing at the same time.

If you do not understand how plasma energy works, this will make no sense to you. Pls refer to the many lectures (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtQzN7XLiLvTpyUnQAa1mRw/videos) given over the last 2.5 years that explain how this technology works.

The blueprints to make your own device will be released shortly. However, for those that understand plasma technology, you already should have a good idea on what to do to the mag-grav power unit (https://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/blueprint.php) (plasmatic gradient deficient), that was released many months ago, into a mag-grav generator unit (plasmatic gradient self-contained*).

If you live in the area, please support Douglas is his journey to deliver this device to the White House. MK is making a political statement and a warning (http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=83983) by this gesture. The route that Douglas will take from his home to the White House will be published soon.


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*Henry Deacon (https://lasers.llnl.gov/science/icf)

[TargeT]

mag-grav plasma generator (starting from the 20min mark):

the underlying principle of this device can allow it to supply megawatts of power easily, in this demonstration 5kW of std electrical load is shown.
this device supports the supply of ac and dc power at the same time, each device can also consume different voltage levels at the same time ie. 110v ac co-existing with 230v ac.
if you do not understand how plasma energy works, this will make no sense to you.


Or, if you understand electricity, this will make no sense to you...........................

so, why would you cover the "yellow box" with a weird shell like that.. My electric motorcycle has a battery that could power that whole table for hours (it's a 5.7kw electric bike).

why would you not have any measurement equipment (math on a board is suboptimal when compared to current measurement techniques).

looks very scammy to me, the methodology he's using is... there's no reason to do it that way at all... seriously.

Also, my 3 year old phone shoots HD video (1080p)... why the total crap quality on a proof of concept video?

[jaybee]

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there is a Livestream link being used to follow Douglas' progress -

MT Keshe is speaking on it at the moment -

http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705


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[Sean]

Please forgive just posting a link, on my phone right now. New Keshe story up on VT:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/13/breaking-did-the-world-end-yesterday-and-nobody-noticed/

[jaybee]

.
a little while ago there was some live footage taken by Douglas --- at a place with a big arch - I think it was the Gateway Arch
in St Louis, Missouri -

http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705
.

[Aurelius]

Douglas showing off-grid test:

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[Johnny]

mag-grav plasma generator (starting from the 20min mark):

the underlying principle of this device can allow it to supply megawatts of power easily, in this demonstration 5kW of std electrical load is shown.
this device supports the supply of ac and dc power at the same time, each device can also consume different voltage levels at the same time ie. 110v ac co-existing with 230v ac.
if you do not understand how plasma energy works, this will make no sense to you.


Or, if you understand electricity, this will make no sense to you...........................

so, why would you cover the "yellow box" with a weird shell like that.. My electric motorcycle has a battery that could power that whole table for hours (it's a 5.7kw electric bike).

why would you not have any measurement equipment (math on a board is suboptimal when compared to current measurement techniques).

looks very scammy to me, the methodology he's using is... there's no reason to do it that way at all... seriously.

Also, my 3 year old phone shoots HD video (1080p)... why the total crap quality on a proof of concept video?

You sound like 'a grumpy old cow' !! :)

(Sorry Paul, I could not resist :) Maybe I'm too fresh this morning !)

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters ! Done !!



The 131st Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be Sunday August 14th 2016 at 2 pm CEST,
Today, 05:56 AM
The 131st Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be Sunday August 14th 2016 at 2 pm CEST, (5 am Pacific time)

We continue to follow Douglas of the Keshe Product Innovation team, on his journey to Washington to deliver the Keshe Magravs Generator technology to the White House!

Livestream at:
http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705

Knowledge Seekers Workshops Zoom Meetings are held at:
https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503

Youtube Streaming channel:
http://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

Knowledge Seekers Workshops playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...hfCrSpuGDaNtRK

Latest info found at:
Keshe Foundation website: http://www.keshefoundation.org


Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

the blueprints of the plasma generator (the hybrid design at a minimum), will be published worldwide today

[update]
here (https://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/blueprint.php) is the link to download the blueprints

fixed faulty link

[jaybee]

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Douglas, his wife and one of their children and others from the Keshe Foundation who have joined him -
are in Lafayette Square now - near the White House -


There might be a public demonstration of the technology at some point - :Party:


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[Johnny]

the blueprints of the plasma generator (the hybrid design at a minimum), will be published worldwide today

[update]
here (http://keshefoundation.org/documenten/finish/14-blueprints/30-hybrid-magrav-blueprint/0) is the link to download the blueprints

Bad update Aurelius, the link gives:
Unauthorized access to downloads!

You tried to start a download from a not authorised resource or your browser do not send a referrer!
If you deactivate the referrer in your browser please activate it in your browser configuration to download the file!

Here is a 'public link' : https://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/blueprint.php

Johnny :)

Maybe it is because it is to a direct pdf file ???

[Aurelius]

plasma generator blueprint discussions / explanations:

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[Johnny]

This is a comment from Veterans Today:


Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta August 15, 2016 at 11:49 am

Keshe staffers will do a Washington DC presentation & demonstration of the stand-alone Keshe generator on Wednesday 17 August at 6:00pmET in the Sara McClendon Room at the National Press Club.


Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/13/breaking-did-the-world-end-yesterday-and-nobody-noticed/

Can anybody confirm this ??

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

This is a comment from Veterans Today:


Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta August 15, 2016 at 11:49 am

Keshe staffers will do a Washington DC presentation & demonstration of the stand-alone Keshe generator on Wednesday 17 August at 6:00pmET in the Sara McClendon Room at the National Press Club.


Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/13/breaking-did-the-world-end-yesterday-and-nobody-noticed/

Can anybody confirm this ??

Johnny :)

pls ignore the information this individual is posting on various articles and websites. only take information originating from keshefoundation.org (http://keshefoundation.org) as official information.

[Nick Matkin]

At last a short, succinct description. But if the submersible pump is being used to generate the initial AC waveform and then is disconnected once the device is started, what maintains the 60 Hz (or 50 Hz) AC frequency? It needs to be fairly stable and not drift too high or too low. Not only that but what regulates the RMS voltage, particularly with varying loads? How this is achieved was not at all clear to me, or maybe others.

[Aurelius]

At last a short, succinct description. But if the submersible pump is being used to generate the initial AC waveform and then is disconnected once the device is started, what maintains the 60 Hz (or 50 Hz) AC frequency? It needs to be fairly stable and not drift too high or too low. Not only that but what regulates the RMS voltage, particularly with varying loads? How this is achieved was not at all clear to me, or maybe others.

think of an LC resonant circuit and how it oscillates, now regard the 2 refrigerator pumps, which are connected back to back, analogous to an LC circuit but in a plasmatic form (a heart beat). have you reviewed the video in this posting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1089871&viewfull=1#post1089871) ?

the conversion of plasmatic energy to electron vibration energy (the std electrical energy that you understand), occurs at the point where it is required, this is where you see the main heating effects. in a way, the load itself determines how much voltage it requires (think CV vs CI vs CP). see the demonstration that douglas made with the dremel rotary tool and how it keeps spinning up in speed, then eventually levels-off in speed ...

[jaybee]

This is a comment from Veterans Today:


Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta August 15, 2016 at 11:49 am

Keshe staffers will do a Washington DC presentation & demonstration of the stand-alone Keshe generator on Wednesday 17 August at 6:00pmET in the Sara McClendon Room at the National Press Club.


Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/13/breaking-did-the-world-end-yesterday-and-nobody-noticed/

Can anybody confirm this ??

Johnny :)

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This appears to be the plan - just seen this on the Golden Age of GANS Facebook group from Carolina De Roose

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GoldenAgeofGans/



Keshe staffers will do a Washington DC presentation & demonstration of the stand-alone Keshe generator on Wednesday 17 August at 6:00pmET in the Sara McClendon Room at the National Press Club.

Greetings and so much appreciation for your hard work and endurance!


pic from when they were in Lafayette Square on Sunday

http://keshefoundation.org/


http://keshefoundation.org/images/WH-DC-EVENT/liveshot-WH.jpg

[Nick Matkin]

think of an LC resonant circuit and how it oscillates, now regard the 2 refrigerator pumps, which are connected back to back, analogous to an LC circuit but in a plasmatic form (a heart beat). have you reviewed the video in this posting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1089871&viewfull=1#post1089871) ?


Thanks, I did, but I don't see enough L (inductance) or C (capacitance) for anything like a resonant frequency as low 50/60Hz.

[Aurelius]

think of an LC resonant circuit and how it oscillates, now regard the 2 refrigerator pumps, which are connected back to back, analogous to an LC circuit but in a plasmatic form (a heart beat). have you reviewed the video in this posting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1089871&viewfull=1#post1089871) ?


Thanks, I did, but I don't see enough L (inductance) or C (capacitance) for anything like a resonant frequency as low 50/60Hz.

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[Aurelius]

This is a comment from Veterans Today:


Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta August 15, 2016 at 11:49 am

Keshe staffers will do a Washington DC presentation & demonstration of the stand-alone Keshe generator on Wednesday 17 August at 6:00pmET in the Sara McClendon Room at the National Press Club.


Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/13/breaking-did-the-world-end-yesterday-and-nobody-noticed/

Can anybody confirm this ??

Johnny :)

.

This appears to be the plan - just seen this on the Golden Age of GANS Facebook group from Carolina De Roose

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GoldenAgeofGans/



Keshe staffers will do a Washington DC presentation & demonstration of the stand-alone Keshe generator on Wednesday 17 August at 6:00pmET in the Sara McClendon Room at the National Press Club.

Greetings and so much appreciation for your hard work and endurance!


pic from when they were in Lafayette Square on Sunday

http://keshefoundation.org/


http://keshefoundation.org/images/WH-DC-EVENT/liveshot-WH.jpg

this appears to be a go now, here is the countdown (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20160817T18&msg=Presentation%20of%20the%20off-grid%20Keshe%20generator%20in%20the%20Sara%20McClendon%20Room%20at%20the%20National%20Press%20Club)

[Johnny]

This appears to be the plan - just seen this on the Golden Age of GANS Facebook group from Carolina De Roose

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GoldenAgeofGans/



Keshe staffers will do a Washington DC presentation & demonstration of the stand-alone Keshe generator on Wednesday 17 August at 6:00pmET in the Sara McClendon Room at the National Press Club.

Greetings and so much appreciation for your hard work and endurance!






Thanks jaybee, so the messenger that were slaughtered, can stand up again !! :kiss: :dance3: :horn: :popcorn: :thumbsup: :highfive:

Johnny :)

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Aurelius]

KESHE FOUNDATION PRESENTATION & DEMONSTRATION OF FREE OR CHEAP ENERGY DEVICES

WHO: Armen Guloyan of the Keshe Foundation and the Spaceship Institute. Other Keshe representatives will also be present.

WHAT: Attendees will hear and see a Keshe Foundation presentation & demonstration of a Tesla-type, fuel-less, stand-alone generator that generates electricity for an average-sized home -- with no connection to an electrical outlet, no batteries, no oil, no gas, no coal, no nuclear, no solar and no hydroelectric. The Keshe Foundation intends to replace oil, gas, coal, solar, hydro & nuclear for the generation of electricity, for powering moving vehicles and for flight. Other applications are also forthcoming (including healthcare, desalinization & agriculture), as per the Keshe Foundation.

WHEN: Wednesday, August 17, 2016. Come at 6:00 PM for dinner with the speaker or at 7:00 for the presentation & demo.

WHERE: National Press Club, McClendon Room, 529 14th Street NW, 13th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20045 Free parking after 5 p.m. with National Press Club dinner validation of your parking receipt at the PMI Garage on G Street (between 13th & 14th)

McClendon Group
McClendon News Service, Inc. (Since 1946)
Founded by Senior White House Correspondent Sarah McClendon (1911-2003)
Post Office Box 6010, Washington, D.C. 20005 - Telephone (703) 855-1266
(On the Record - Press Welcome)

[Nick Matkin]

think of an LC resonant circuit and how it oscillates, now regard the 2 refrigerator pumps, which are connected back to back, analogous to an LC circuit but in a plasmatic form (a heart beat). have you reviewed the video in this posting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1089871&viewfull=1#post1089871) ?


Thanks, I did, but I don't see enough L (inductance) or C (capacitance) for anything like a resonant frequency as low 50/60Hz.

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Well, yes, I get the symbol, but it doesn't really help...

[Johnny]

Follow up in Washington DC:




The 132nd Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be Thursday August 18th 2016 at 1 am CEST, (4 pm Wednesday August 17th Pacific time, 7 pm EDT)

We continue to follow the Keshe Innovation team, in Washington to deliver the Keshe Magravs Generator technology to the White House!

KESHE FOUNDATION PRESENTATION & DEMONSTRATION OF FREE OR CHEAP ENERGY DEVICES

WHEN: Wednesday, August 17, 2016. Come at 6:00pm for dinner with the speaker or at 7:00pm for the presentation & demo and/or 6:30PM EDT (12:30am CEST) ZOOM public ID: 939474503 or Livestream and/or YouTube live broadcasts

WHERE: National Press Club, McClendon Room, 529 14th Street NW, 13th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20045. Free parking after 5PM with National Press Club dinner validation of your parking receipt at the PMI Garage on G Street (between 13th & 14th)

WHO: Armen Guloyan of the Keshe Foundation and the Spaceship Institute. Other Keshe representatives will also be present.

WHAT: Attendees will see and hear a Keshe Foundation presentation & demonstration of a Tesla-type, fuel-less, stand-alone generator that generates electricity for an average-sized home -- with no connection to an electrical outlet, no batteries, no oil, no gas, no coal, no nuclear, no solar and no hydroelectric. The Keshe Foundation intends to replace oil, gas, coal, solar, hydro & nuclear for the generation of electricity, for powering moving vehicles and for flight. Other applications are also forthcoming (including healthcare, desalinization & agriculture), as per the Keshe Foundation.

Livestream at:
http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705

Knowledge Seekers Workshops Zoom Meetings are held at:
https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503

Youtube Streaming channel:
http://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

Knowledge Seekers Workshops playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...hfCrSpuGDaNtRK

Latest info found at:
Keshe Foundation website: http://www.keshefoundation.org


Johnny :)

[TODD & NORA]

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[Aurelius]

SK-dMDWks8o

[TODD & NORA]

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[jaybee]

I still haven't heard back from anyone on their team...

I'm not sure exactly what you mean --- do you want a reply from one of us on the thread..?

Or have you been in touch with the Keshe Foundation..?


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[Nick Matkin]

If Keshe has anything to show for all these years of work and tens if not hundreds of hours of video, it's high time his publicity machine swung into action. Where are his media people to aggressively expose his achievements? He's got a flashy website so presumably has the resources.

All these low-key and contradictory statements suggests to me that someone in his media team needs a good kick up the arse! Sorry but they do!

Unless of course the rumours that it's all a clever scam are true...

[jaybee]

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If you wanted a reply from one of us on the thread - I'll oblige :)



Nothing was demonstrated at tonight's event - just a couple videos were shown along with some grandstanding by Keshe against the United States - basically a pro-Russia/China rally.


bolded ---- a bit like Avalon forum then --- Keshe would fit in well haha :P




A demonstration was promised in the near future...just like it was TONIGHT.


good oh --- I get the impression that the Press Club thing was a bit of a rushed decision as they were in Washington with the new Magrav Hybrid Unit - nothing ventured nothing gained I suppose -



We're NOT off to a good start with Keshe, but the U.S. supporters involved with the tech were more down to earth and willing to demonstrate what they have developed...once they can get it up and running. They harp on how simple this technology is, yet their most experiences researchers failed their public demonstration.

when you said --- "we're not off to a good start with Keshe" - I don't who the "we" is..?

all this has been going on for a long time - the build up and teachings - it's not the start / beginning - but it could be the end of the beginning (I'm resisting falling into a Winston Churchill quote but I will spare you lol)



With that said, I actually believe it is a viable working advanced energy technology...they should have had a backup unit.


I agree - a back up unit and back up spare parts -

I also think because this technology is a whole spectrum thing - physical matter ~ consciousness ~ spirit ~ soul --- at the beginning of any public demo it would be fitting and beneficial if it started with 2 minutes silence for quiet reflection, prayer and a build up of positive energy --- establishing the intent -

Anyway - nice to have someone else join in the thread especially someone who says they believe it is a 'viable working advanced technology' -

:thumb:

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[TODD & NORA]

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[jaybee]

The realm of advanced energy technology is difficult - just like cold fusion...it's real, but a real chore to move into production.

We are up for the challenge.

It's the Keshe team - probably busy fixing their unit...suspect they'll contact us since Keshe mentioned our agreement in today's video, as well.

There is no need to glamorize what is happening here - either humanity has supported the disclosure of this technology through a more balanced manifestation of thought, or we have to wait a bit longer...either way we are moving forward with fully supporting Keshe.

(shifted from singular to plural - this is a TEAM EFFORT...not just one guy trying to save the world from itself)

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oh so it was the Keshe team you are waiting to hear from - well you got a communication from me as well then :) -

it is absolutely a TEAM effort - an organic movement being fed and watered - and if it's the right time with the right ingredients then it will take off - big time -you could also say it's a FAMILY effort - of kindred spirits that are moving the idea forward in whatever way they can big or small - Keshe is a visionary and a leader who has the 'goods' to transform society - but he is always saying he can't do it on his own .... he knows it's a team effort -


edit to add the famous Victor Hugo quote that is pertinent to what is happening with Keshe technology -

"Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come"


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[Aurelius]

Nothing was demonstrated at tonight's event - just a couple videos were shown along with some grandstanding by Keshe against the United States - basically a pro-Russia/China rally.

<snip>



regarding nothing being demonstrated, yes this is true unfortunately and the reasons were explained. it should to be noted that Douglas has demonstrated the device 4x already, on 4 separate occasions, in 4 separate workshops/sessions, all of which are publicly available. i am reasonably confident that if Douglas hadn't damaged the device and it was successfully demonstrated in Washington, this still wouldn't be the end of it, in terms of people's suspicions and doubt. make your own device and demonstrate it to yourself. i am happy to provide the technical input and guidance that anyone requires to make your own units. there are many people out there posting information on the internet and youtube, who don't fully understand the technology, have made fundamental errors hence haven't been successful.

more than a year ago, in an Avalon posting (below), I explained at a high level, where the Keshe technology was headed. you wouldn't be wasting your time investing effort into this technology




<snip>

This thread covers new technology (the same underlying technology in each instance) that will provide humanity with:
energy systems, new medical / health systems, new food / sustenance systems, new agriculture systems, instantaneous communication, new modes of transportation (levitation), shielding / protection systems, material production (including water production), environmental clean-up (including radiation clean-up) + more

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regarding Keshe grandstanding, this is not what i heard, what i heard was a clear warning with reasons given. i also warned about this over a year ago, in a posting on Avalon (below), when i saw the race that would ensue by competing nations - the establishment - terrorist groups etc. to secretly master this technology and use it against each other and the populous, while the bulk of people at a grass roots level keep poo-pooing the technology.




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Most concerning is: ... as industry / governments / military's learn what the technology is, how it works & why it works and if humanity as a whole does not understand the knowledge for themselves .. if you think you are "not free" now, this is nothing compared to how things could become ! I have always warned this is time sensitive (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82703-perhaps-the-most-important-piece-of-information-on-Avalon-how-to-get-your-freedom&p=966859&viewfull=1#post966859).

everyone will need this technology soon, at times your very survival will depend on it, i would spend more effort trying to understand the principles and concepts, experimenting, building / replicating and less time passively observing.

[TODD & NORA]

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[Callista]

Yes we use the Keshe Pain Pen and Yes, it works for us. The concept of plasma technology is difficult to understand and I dont claim to fully understand it, but there is something about it that is very familiar to me (from another time and space) and makes sense.

We are currently waiting to trial the eye drops and skin lotion. And we are in line to get a generator when they come on to the market.

[Johnny]

Yes we use the Keshe Pain Pen and Yes, it works for us. The concept of plasma technology is difficult to understand and I dont claim to fully understand it, but there is something about it that is very familiar to me (from another time and space) and makes sense.

We are currently waiting to trial the eye drops and skin lotion. And we are in line to get a generator when they come on to the market.

Have you put a volt-meter on the pain pen to see if it works ......... Just kidding. Could not resist :)

:highfive: to you Cellista !

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

<snip> Keshe's technology isn't widespread enough to intervene in these conflicts in time...I sincerely wish they were, but a reality check suggests otherwise.

enough information has been released to explain how intervention would work, so why would you say this?

.. only ONE reactor is required and ONE person who understands what to do with it, the entire planet can be effected easily.

looks like you need to spend some time understanding the power of this technology. the "volt-meter" mentality, which is essentially what you used in your text highlighted in red above, isn't going to progress you anywhere in this endeavor.

[TODD & NORA]

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[Aurelius]

Keshe is one person.

.. yes, but not any more, why do you think the entities of the core team & universal council were put together? why do you think the knowledge is being desseminated at grass roots level?

[Callista]

I just tested the Pain Pen - just for the hell of it - and it is around .09v - whatever that means

[TODD & NORA]

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[Johnny]

I just tested the Pain Pen - just for the hell of it - and it is around .09v - whatever that means

0.09v means 0.09v -lol- but was it AC or DC ????? :bigsmile:

(No you don't have to answer this, I think we have had fun enough with that :highfive: )

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

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I supported with Pete back in 2008: .......

Thanks. :)

Thanks for the video, do you know if it is used widely or is he still the only one ??

I was out googling Pete Sumaruck to see if he is still alive and found some interesting reading:

http://www.worldviewopinion.net/inventor-pete-sumaruck-is-interrogated-while-under-sedation/

Johnny :)

[Nick Matkin]

I just tested the Pain Pen - just for the hell of it - and it is around .09v - whatever that means

That's the sort of number you're likely to get on a digital voltmeter from ambient fields. Nothing significant. Incidentally, what two points on the pen did you use to make these measurements?

[Aurelius]

Since you're the expert on Keshe technology, what have you developed based on your extraordinary understanding of Keshe's advanced principles that a lowly waif such as myself is simply incapable of fathoming, such as the following technology I supported with Pete back in 2008:

That's 24 gauge wire, by the way. Would you be so kind as to post the videos of all the Keshe technology you have mastered? Meanwhile, I will once again be risking my life and expending all available resources to bring advanced energy technologies forward here in the United States.

Thanks. :)

i think the days of being an "expert" or even using that type of terminology are gone. there are no experts, there never were any, there never will be any. if one took any expert, asked them a few simple questions, no matter what field they specialise in, you'd find out fairly soon the depth and breadth of understanding is limited.

it's all about collaborating and sharing knowledge, this is why the term "knowledge seeker" was chosen. everyone processes information differently, hence everyone has something to add.

i have put a lot of time and effort into understanding keshe technology, as have tens of thousands of others across the globe. i choose carefully what projects / research i decide to take on. i don't have all the answers, no one does, not even mr keshe.

one of the projects i took on in the past has helped me get into keshe technology, there were many parallels.

[KiwiElf]

*cough* I don't need to understand all the intricacies of how my car works to be able to turn the key and just "drive it" ;)

[Nick Matkin]

*cough* I don't need to understand all the intricacies of how my car works to be able to turn the key and just "drive it" ;)

No you don't, but if there's a misfire, you need an 'expert' to track down and fix the correct cause - of which there could be many! :)

[Callista]

Johnny it was AC current :idea:

Nick - I took the probe thing attached to the VΩmA socket on the meter and put it on the Pain Pen in one spot :confused:

Seriously, guys, I got the meter a couple of days ago to test my new grounding sheet and quite frankly I dont understand this electrical jargon. Thats why its so interesting that I am fascinated by the Keshe technology...

[Nick Matkin]

AC current of 0.09 (mA presumably) is hardly above the inherent random measurements of the meter, and to some extent dependent upon the price and quality of the meter. If it were 0.09 A (90mA) that might mean something. The black (marked com, earth or ground) and red (VΩmA) leads need to be connected between two metal contacts, but even after looking at images of the Keshe pen, I can't see how that could be done.

If you bought the meter to assess the effectiveness of a grounding sheet - not sure what that means, but presumably to measure the resistance (Ω) of the sheet to a very thoroughly earthed metal object - you'll may need to familiarize yourself with what the meter does and also its limitations.

A colleague recently told me that the only folks who take this Keshe stuff seriously are those who don't understand basic electrical theory because they don't recognize BS when they see it. I don't think that's entirely accurate, but maybe there could be an element of truth in it...

[Callista]

Thank you Nick - yes I will have fun playing with the meter. A grounding sheet is earthed to the earth bit of the socket - the sheet has little silver wires running through it and when you lie on it it reduces the voltage in your body - thats what I used the meter for - to measure the difference.

Regarding the basic electrical theory - I know very little, but I dont know whether we can apply the usual theories to plasma technology because you are dealing with a multidimensional field which behaves differently to what we have experienced so far.

[TODD & NORA]

The Keshe Foundation is a compromised operation.

[Nick Matkin]

Thank you Nick - yes I will have fun playing with the meter. A grounding sheet is earthed to the earth bit of the socket - the sheet has little silver wires running through it and when you lie on it it reduces the voltage in your body - thats what I used the meter for - to measure the difference.

Regarding the basic electrical theory - I know very little, but I dont know whether we can apply the usual theories to plasma technology because you are dealing with a multidimensional field which behaves differently to what we have experienced so far.

A note of caution...

Using the earth/ground of an electrical outlet will be safe (or it should be - that's why it's there), but there are those who believe that the electrical noise in domestic house wiring (from all manner of devices - so called "dirty electricity") is coupled to the earth wire which of course runs adjacent to all the live/neutral house wiring.

If you believe this to be the case, I'd suggest you use a completely separate earth for the blanket. A water pipe will probably do if you're sure it has no plastic sections. Or a good copper earth spike (from an electrical retailer) hammered into damp ground.

[Callista]

Thank you Nick - I will check it out :sherlock:

[TargeT]

Thank you Nick - yes I will have fun playing with the meter. A grounding sheet is earthed to the earth bit of the socket - the sheet has little silver wires running through it and when you lie on it it reduces the voltage in your body - thats what I used the meter for - to measure the difference.

Regarding the basic electrical theory - I know very little, but I dont know whether we can apply the usual theories to plasma technology because you are dealing with a multidimensional field which behaves differently to what we have experienced so far.

get a copper rod, about 4-6 feet in length, pound it into the ground outside your bedroom (as deep as you can) & run a connecting line to your mat... for bonus points pound in at least 4 rods in various locations around your bedroom, interconnect them all and then connect them to your grounding mat.

This will provide you with a good "to earth" ground with out MUCH interference. (you'll pick up some latent RF due to having copper lines run all over.. like a strangely shaped antenna).

I spend at least 10 min a day barefoot on dirt or grass.. I'm not sure if it's directly beneficial but I feel the theory has merit.



A note of caution...

Using the earth/ground of an electrical outlet will be safe (or it should be - that's why it's there), but there are those who believe that the electrical noise in domestic house wiring (from all manner of devices - so called "dirty electricity") is coupled to the earth wire which of course runs adjacent to all the live/neutral house wiring.

If you believe this to be the case, I'd suggest you use a completely separate earth for the blanket. A water pipe will probably do if you're sure it has no plastic sections. Or a good copper earth spike (from an electrical retailer) hammered into damp ground.


Yeah, what he said!

If Keshe can nanocoat all the wires in your house, then all the wires in your house can act like an RF antenna and send unwanted noise through your lines. (one of those is demonstrably true.....)

[Bob]

A quick note 'bout grounding rods...

The statement, "it depends..." is kinda critical and it comes down to in some places of the world, the RETURN PATH for the mains for the power feed distribution for the region is corrupted.

What the return path for the power station means is that power should NOT BE going through the ground as the "return path", there should not be any ground leakage.

IN two places I have seen, one is Round Rock Texas in a certain part of the city, and in Sullivan Missouri, similarly I found ground fault issues, where the power mains feed were grounding THROUGH the ground and not through the return path of the power mains..

What I suspect was happening is there were various motors somewhere (a defective well in the area can be a likely cause to energize the ground), an old appliance motor and so forth..

TO TEST for this, putting the METER on AC and connect to the two grounding rods and VERIFY that there is NO CURRENT, NO AC VOLTAGE appearing of any substantial value.

What I monitored in Sullivan, MO was a result of the owner of the property, getting ALL EXCITED about "FREE ENERGY" and he showed me his demo of a couple electrodes in the ground and getting up to 100 volts across the ground at 20 feet apart.. !!! He noted that he got shocked one day, working on the GROUND of his well pump and thought that his part of the world was notorious for generating FREE ENERGY and proceeded to play around with concepts using grounding rods to "suck energy" out of the ethers (so he explained to me as his logic). A check of the overall power grid in the area was showing that that part of Missouri had an awful problem with ground faults, with current running THRU the ground instead of the return path on the mains.

Similarly the same type of situation was happening in Round Rock, TX.

I would say, just putting in grounding rods, and connecting them to any area INSIDE the house could be potentially dangerous, if there is a ground fault, or current traveling in the earth/ground where is SHOULD NOT BE.

I personally suspect that those who are using claiming 'free energy' from grounding rods current are experiencing leakage from the power-station, or somebody's well in the area, or various appliances shorting out, and the building not being properly grounded... (I recall one instance in the Idaho area, where I was in the basement, and touched the washing machine, and got quite a shock.. It had a ground fault from the motor, and I was standing on concrete with my bare feet... Danger situations can happen with GROUND FAULTS, and if one is playing with 'extracting' free energy the ground fault logic could easily provide for delusion and mis-categorizing where the energy is coming from..)

References to "stray voltage" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stray_voltage

Here is a situation where a downed power line can create "leakage" or charge into the ground -

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Potenzialtrichter_Freileitung.svg/650px-Potenzialtrichter_Freileitung.svg.png


Consolidated Edison in New York City has had frequent incidents of stray voltage, including the electrocution death of Jodie S. Lane in 2004, while walking her dog in Manhattan.

In 2009, the Jodie S. Lane Public Safety Foundation announced a publicly accessible website with maps showing thousands of reported stray voltage locations in New York City. In addition, the Foundation sponsors the "Jodie S. Lane Stray Voltage Detection, Mitigation & Prevention Conference", an annual meeting attended by power utilities and regulators from around the country to discuss stray voltage detection programs. The Foundation also initiated and advocates regular mobile scanning by utility companies for stray voltage hazards.


In Boston, NSTAR Electric (formerly Boston Edison) has also had problems with hazardous stray voltages, which have killed several dogs during the 1990s.

As a result, the City of Boston government started a program to detect, report on, and repair stray voltage hazards.

Toronto Hydro pulled all employees off regular duty on the weekend of January 30, 2009 to deal with ongoing stray voltage problems in the city.

This came after as many as five children were shocked though none suffered serious injury. The stray voltage problem had claimed the lives of two dogs in the previous few months.

In March 2013, Californian Simona Wilson won a $4 million lawsuit against her power company after stray voltage from a substation near her house repeatedly shocked her and members of her family whenever they were in the shower.

It is my opinion that an unscrupulous inventor could make use of GROUND faulting and stray voltage. One such inventor could be overly naive, not knowing actual electrical principles, and having come across RF leakage, or GROUND faulting and stray voltage, developed as the 'inventor' I met in Sullivan, MO. As pointed out in the quotes above, the leakage currents can KILL and have killed so before just sticking ground rods in the soil, and bringing those wires INSIDE, ONE MUST CHECK for stray current leakage..

BE wise, be alive, be safe..

[Ernie Nemeth]

On ground currents: The neutral of An Edison Three Wire System is grounded at every entry point or tap point for this very reason - to assure there is no voltage to ground on the return path. The resistance of "earth" is far greater than the resistance of the return path current conductor. The return path is "referenced" to ground so that the power wires will not exceed their rated or intended voltage.

The problem may be an area that is not a particularly good ground, somehow isolated from the actual earth potential. But "dirty" neutrals are almost always caused by separation from ground (floating neutral), or too many neutral to ground connections on branch circuits (these often occur in the plugs, where neutral and ground can touch if not properly installed).

A good solid, properly installed ground rod or plate should resolve such issues but then a solid link to any other grounding points should be added, making a grid of equal potential.

There are exceptions. In cities, underground transformers can induce enough of a standing wave of potential to electrocute a large dog or horse. These again are mitigated by installing a grounding grid around the transformer vault.
In small towns and rural areas, where long distances of wire force utilities to "cheat" by running only one leg of the system to power farms along a side road, for example. When terminating at a farm a capacitor is employed to alter the phase of the solitary leg, thereby mimicking a second leg. Here the neutral grounding is even more important to ensure that voltage does not exceed 120 volts. If the neutral were to "float" all kinds of strange readings could result.
Areas where any high voltage lines run too close to the earth's surface can induce a ring of varying current underneath it. If your stride is long enough or the induced voltage high enough you can get a shock.

[Redstar Kachina]

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[PathWalker]

The gift that keeps on giving...Greer met with two Keshe group members in D.C. YESTERDAY.

Yeah, THIS Greer:
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/steve.greer.dead.mans.trigger.pdf (link provided in case pdf comes up blank below as it does for me...)
This should get interesting...he belongs in a supermax.

Keshe's technology will become widespread in the United States.

I do not understand this!!!
Redstart Kachina please be more explicit.
1. Is Greer dead or disappeared (not relevant to this thread)?
2. Why is this material related to Keshe, as I read the material I find no relationship.
3. How the dead man switch material got public released?

Thanks

[Redstar Kachina]

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[jaybee]

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this is a transcript from the 133rd KSW - beginning at 1:53:30 and going on for around 6 minutes - (one or two words may have been missed sometimes but I'm just copying from my notes -) - it's pretty much word for word -


It's Mr Keshe's take on why the system in Washington failed to work ~


(the Caroline referred to is his wife)


He said ----


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"..... I was explaining to Caroline yesterday - I was saying - a lot of people come and tell us their system doesn't work and I tell them one day why - maybe today is the day to tell because a lot of you are working on it -


Understand you are building Magrav systems, you are building systems that work on plasma and GANS and nano layers - you are putting balls in the middle of the stacker - and now you're creating gans liquid plasma units - - my friend - you have entered into the world of INTENTION - -


What you intention is to do and what your intention has been to achieve with the generator decided if your generator gives you what you expect of it - because it's aware of your need and if it's not good for you -I had to explain this yesterday to Caroline - maybe we will all get invited - we saw a system well designed, working for weeks - we all watched - it was brought to the United States and to the capital Washington to be shown --- from the time it left the house it met problems - because the soul of the system knew the men in the States in the place of power are not ready for it - but they can learn from it -


We brought it to Washington and tried to get it going - the intention of the man who built it is Peace but in his soul he knows, because he is a man of the army, that the man who controls the army in Washington has a different intention for the use - once they see the power, even burnt out - It doesn't want to go - it's like a child sitting [under?] a tree holding themself saying I'm not coming out, I want to stay home -


you all looked at the physicality of the failure of the system - I looked at the soul of the system - I explained this to Caroline last night - with it not being delivered today, them not seeing the energy unit...but they know, they saw the videos - it gave the sense that the soul of the man whose intention was that the technology to be used for Peace - and we could talk openly and discuss the Peace Plan on the table -

we could explain to the man of power and we saw how the military immediately responded - listen to the news - listen to the reading - I'm Acting On Duty Officer of the American Military -We want to talk --- we invite you to teach us - the invitation was opened -

that was the purpose of the generator even making it's way to Washington and never working


Because the soul of the man is aware of the work of the system - you look for dust - I look for the interaction of the dust - there is an old Persian saying, it says --- "What you see in the pot - I see in the dust of the clay which it is made of " -

Try to understand your systems and why they are not working - was the intention to show your superiority or was the intention to bring comfort to you and your family and the soul of the structure of life..?

Your system does not even need power for supply will kick in because it needs - it sees your need and needs to satisfy your need - you are too physical -



yesterday and past 2 to 3 days we had a rampage of physicality - why is the system not working - I stood back and I guided because I could see the soul of the action - I said to Caroline - from the time the system was to move a part was left behind - things don't happen because the intention was in the hands of Washington - such power - seeing it - would drive them into killing more - but it gave us a chance to open the Path of Peace.


Listen - understand the world of politics and the language of the military - We see the soul and it's the same with your system - when you build the system from now on understand it can interact with you - you are dealing with GANS - you are dealing with your own essence of creation - the sooner you realize it you'll find out you don't need generators as the universe is the source of energy - to generate what you need"


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[thunder24]

The Keshe Foundation is a compromised operation.

care to share how you came to this conclusion

[TODD & NORA]

Pattern recognition...took a couple days to peel back several distinct layers of the onion as information was received and reviewed...last post was not posted to convince others of the same (don't concern myself with what you or anyone else conclude to be blunt), as this keshe operation is designed to force people to choose whether they're 'in' or not, leading people into a communist mindset within the context of a global oligarchy...an incredibly stupid thing to do.

I use the avalon forum to 'think out loud' on certain topics as information is made available...once a common sense conclusion becomes apparent, the appropriate course of action becomes self-evident (most of the time...not always).

While there may be some valid technology developed by one or more researchers who voluntarily fall under the keshe umbrella, pursuing it any further is likened unto chasing ghosts...a waste of time whether you catch one or not, as it will never ultimately serve its intended purpose within this hierarchical construct identified as the 'keshe foundation'. I actually learned some interesting things from investigating this group, though not what was suggested or intended by its leader.

[thunder24]

Pattern recognition...took a couple days to peel back several distinct layers of the onion as information was received and reviewed...last post was not posted to convince others of the same (don't concern myself with what you or anyone else conclude to be blunt), as this keshe operation is designed to force people to choose whether they're 'in' or not, leading people into a communist mindset within the context of a global oligarchy...an incredibly stupid thing to do.


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I am not concerned with any of it, the statement was short and sweet and I wanted an explanation...thanks

[jaybee]

as this keshe operation is designed to force people to choose whether they're 'in' or not, leading people into a communist mindset within the context of a global oligarchy...an incredibly stupid thing to do.


No one is being ''''forced''' to choose or forced to do anything - as far as I can see -

I'm guessing that your eventual communication with the Keshe Foundation team and MT Keshe didn't go too well - and I expect there are reasons for that -

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[Aurelius]

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this is a transcript from the 133rd KSW - beginning at 1:53:30 and going on for around 6 minutes - (one or two words may have been missed sometimes but I'm just copying from my notes -) - it's pretty much word for word -


<snip>

Understand you are building Magrav systems, you are building systems that work on plasma and GANS and nano layers - you are putting balls in the middle of the stacker - and now you're creating gans liquid plasma units - - my friend - you have entered into the world of INTENTION - - [/b]


What you intention is to do and what your intention has been to achieve with the generator decided if your generator gives you what you expect of it - because it's aware of your need and if it's not good for you -I had to explain this yesterday to Caroline - maybe we will all get invited - we saw a system well designed, working for weeks - we all watched - it was brought to the United States and to the capital Washington to be shown --- from the time it left the house it met problems - because the soul of the system knew the men in the States in the place of power are not ready for it - but they can learn from it -


We brought it to Washington and tried to get it going - the intention of the man who built it is Peace but in his soul he knows, because he is a man of the army, that the man who controls the army in Washington has a different intention for the use - once they see the power, even burnt out - It doesn't want to go - it's like a child sitting [under?] a tree holding themself saying I'm not coming out, I want to stay home -


you all looked at the physicality of the failure of the system - I looked at the soul of the system - I explained this to Caroline last night - with it not being delivered today, them not seeing the energy unit...but they know, they saw the videos - it gave the sense that the soul of the man whose intention was that the technology to be used for Peace - and we could talk openly and discuss the Peace Plan on the table -

<snip>


Try to understand your systems and why they are not working - was the intention to show your superiority or was the intention to bring comfort to you and your family and the soul of the structure of life..?

Your system does not even need power for supply will kick in because it needs - it sees your need and needs to satisfy your need - you are too physical -


<snip>




jaybee you will enjoy this (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Alex%27s-Hendershot-Collection/1968_-_Arthur_C._Aho_-_Energy_Unlimited_-_A_Case_for_Space.pdf), here are some extracts:

"After seeing his first inanimate device come to life
under the influence of Lester Hendershot, the author
knew beyond a doubt that here was in part the nature of
the next great break-through in science"

"The author had, and still has, in his possession the
last device which he had constructed. However this
device is only so much material without the influence
of Lester Hendershot -- whatever that may be --- and
the device does not operate."

"After over a year of experimenting with Lester
Hendershot, it became apparent that this device was
better described as a living, mechanical body, caged or
geared into a force outside of itself. Its operation
paralleled the relation of a windmill to the wind. Its
becoming a living thing in space depended on a factor
similar to that of a doctor massaging a heart that had
stopped, or in triggering this heart with a pacer."

"When a device, which was not in operation, was first
started by Lester Hendershot the homemade condenser,
which seemed to act as antennas, would pick up voltage
pressure slowly at first and then faster"

" After Lester Hendershot had started
the device by squeezing it, his hand tired, so he
turned it over to the author. A firm squeeze again
started the output and you may be assured that it was a
thrill to hold this pulsing condenser. It was a feeling
of holding the pulse of the living universe manifesting
itself in a machine, even as in a living body|"

"Reflect back to the experiments with Lester Hendershot,
when we stated that the device became a living thing. [B]A
living physical body and the device have one major
characteristic in common, namely pulsation. "

... what Arthur didn't fully understand at the time is that the human body is in the gans state, with a star formation built into the human design & FP being the soul. the intention comes from the emotion

you may also enjoy this (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Alex%27s-Hendershot-Collection/1979_-_Arthur_C._Aho_-_Tomorrow%27s_Energy_...Need_Not_Be_Fuel!-Txt-opt.pdf).

i can also tell you with great confidence ;), this (http://rexresearch.com/carr/1carr.htm) was built with these very principles. one can put this tech on the left,
& keshe tech on the right and cross correlate all key aspects.

[Johnny]

Pattern recognition...took a couple days to peel back several distinct layers of the onion as information was received and reviewed...last post was not posted to convince others of the same (don't concern myself with what you or anyone else conclude to be blunt), as this keshe operation is designed to force people to choose whether they're 'in' or not, leading people into a communist mindset within the context of a global oligarchy...an incredibly stupid thing to do.

I use the avalon forum to 'think out loud' on certain topics as information is made available...once a common sense conclusion becomes apparent, the appropriate course of action becomes self-evident (most of the time...not always).

While there may be some valid technology developed by one or more researchers who voluntarily fall under the keshe umbrella, pursuing it any further is likened unto chasing ghosts...a waste of time whether you catch one or not, as it will never ultimately serve its intended purpose within this hierarchical construct identified as the 'keshe foundation'. I actually learned some interesting things from investigating this group, though not what was suggested or intended by its leader.

I can see you have erased all your post on PA, but you forgot this one:

Avalon has a few firefighters - folks who look for fires to put out...so that's one reason we're digging around the ethers. Regarding who's done what...well, I do things other people don't like, and ultimately, the decision must be made to either do nothing or do something. Most efforts prove fruitless it seems, but in the end, everything will work out fine, in spite of our selves.

Thanks to all of you for doing what you do, as the perfect expression of who you are, as a part of the singularity of the mind of God.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63837-Imploding-forum-and-the-next-25-years-of-Darkness&p=736687&viewfull=1#post736687

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

<snip>Seriously, guys, I got the meter a couple of days ago to test my new grounding sheet and quite frankly I dont understand this electrical jargon. Thats why its so interesting that I am fascinated by the Keshe technology...

i experimented with a grounding sheet on the bed for a few months. it was a cotton sheet with silver wires woven through it, connected to a purpose installed 4ft copper stake, which was pummeled into the ground. can't say I noticed anything significant, but life was busy back then, perhaps i wasn't focused enough to notice the effects.

interesting viewpoint: the earth is a Caroline core, consisting of 2 layers, the inner and outer core, both are plasmatically dynamic. the plasmatic upper boundary of the earth, the 3rd layer, is the atmosphere, which is also plasmatically dynamic. there are magrav interactions between all 3 layers. the crust is sandwiched between layers 2 & 3. earthing / grounding occurs in the crust. this gives a new way of looking at earthing, telluric currents, especially tesla's work in this area and also leylines. the good news is all this can be simulated and experimented with, by building a simple reactor which is loaded appropriately in each layer.

[jaybee]

jaybee you will enjoy this (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Alex%27s-Hendershot-Collection/1968_-_Arthur_C._Aho_-_Energy_Unlimited_-_A_Case_for_Space.pdf), here are some extracts:

"After seeing his first inanimate device come to life
under the influence of Lester Hendershot, the author
knew beyond a doubt that here was in part the nature of
the next great break-through in science"

"The author had, and still has, in his possession the
last device which he had constructed. However this
device is only so much material without the influence
of Lester Hendershot -- whatever that may be --- and
the device does not operate."

"After over a year of experimenting with Lester
Hendershot, it became apparent that this device was
better described as a living, mechanical body, caged or
geared into a force outside of itself. Its operation
paralleled the relation of a windmill to the wind. Its
becoming a living thing in space depended on a factor
similar to that of a doctor massaging a heart that had
stopped, or in triggering this heart with a pacer."

"When a device, which was not in operation, was first
started by Lester Hendershot the homemade condenser,
which seemed to act as antennas, would pick up voltage
pressure slowly at first and then faster"

" After Lester Hendershot had started
the device by squeezing it, his hand tired, so he
turned it over to the author. A firm squeeze again
started the output and you may be assured that it was a
thrill to hold this pulsing condenser. It was a feeling
of holding the pulse of the living universe manifesting
itself in a machine, even as in a living body|"

"Reflect back to the experiments with Lester Hendershot,
when we stated that the device became a living thing. A
living physical body and the device have one major
characteristic in common, namely pulsation. "

... what Arthur didn't fully understand at the time is that the human body is in the gans state, with a star formation built into the human design & FP being the soul. the intention comes from the emotion

you may also enjoy this (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Alex%27s-Hendershot-Collection/1979_-_Arthur_C._Aho_-_Tomorrow%27s_Energy_...Need_Not_Be_Fuel!-Txt-opt.pdf).

i can also tell you with great confidence ;), this (http://rexresearch.com/carr/1carr.htm) was built with these very principles. one can put this tech on the left,
& keshe tech on the right and cross correlate all key aspects.



cheers for that and the links, Aurelius -- :thumb:

.

[mkscarola]

Hey guys! I just got accepted into the forum last night, I have been following this thread for a while now and I have been dying to get into the discussion! Awesome to see some people who are as deeply interested in FE as I am. With that said, I was wondering if anyone here has any experience actually building a Keshe Magrav? I know that Free Energy is possible whether it be through Zero Point Energy, Plasma tech, Over-unity etc... but for some reason my cognitive dissonance still doesn't 100% believe Keshe. That isn't to say that I do not support him, I do, I suppose I just need to see it with my own eyes. I am considering buying all the materials and parts I need for the machine since I downloaded the blueprints. Anyone have any anecdotes or experiences they can share with me?

[TargeT]

Hey guys! I just got accepted into the forum last night, I have been following this thread for a while now and I have been dying to get into the discussion! Awesome to see some people who are as deeply interested in FE as I am. With that said, I was wondering if anyone here has any experience actually building a Keshe Magrav?

What a great question!!


I am considering buying all the materials and parts I need for the machine since I downloaded the blueprints. Anyone have any anecdotes or experiences they can share with me?

unless you are independently wealthy, I would not bother.... let someone else try (its been YEARS now since he released the "magic"... I have yet to see a single device that demonstrably does anything).

[jaybee]

Hey guys! I just got accepted into the forum last night, I have been following this thread for a while now and I have been dying to get into the discussion! Awesome to see some people who are as deeply interested in FE as I am. With that said, I was wondering if anyone here has any experience actually building a Keshe Magrav? I know that Free Energy is possible whether it be through Zero Point Energy, Plasma tech, Over-unity etc... but for some reason my cognitive dissonance still doesn't 100% believe Keshe. That isn't to say that I do not support him, I do, I suppose I just need to see it with my own eyes. I am considering buying all the materials and parts I need for the machine since I downloaded the blueprints. Anyone have any anecdotes or experiences they can share with me?


welcome to the forum and to the thread --- :thumb:

if you've been following it you will know where different people more or less stand - :) - I haven't made a magrav unit myself - everyone is at different stages and interested in different aspects and going at their own pace -

you will need to get into nano coating copper wire and making the coils and having a go at making GANS first -but I expect you know that -

anyway - it's a bit late where I am so that's all for now ---

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[Aurelius]

Hey guys! I just got accepted into the forum last night, I have been following this thread for a while now and I have been dying to get into the discussion! Awesome to see some people who are as deeply interested in FE as I am. With that said, I was wondering if anyone here has any experience actually building a Keshe Magrav? I know that Free Energy is possible whether it be through Zero Point Energy, Plasma tech, Over-unity etc... but for some reason my cognitive dissonance still doesn't 100% believe Keshe. That isn't to say that I do not support him, I do, I suppose I just need to see it with my own eyes. I am considering buying all the materials and parts I need for the machine since I downloaded the blueprints. Anyone have any anecdotes or experiences they can share with me?

hello and welcome to the forum!

with regards to people building the plasma generator unit (https://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/blueprint.php) (the blueprints most recently released), i know many knowledge seekers are actively working on replicating the device. many queries are going back and forth for clarification on various aspects as they progress. obviously those that have already built magrav stackers, as per the blueprints released last year, are a step ahead of the pack. i have seen a whole mix of people such as: newbies that are still getting to grips with the fundamentals that were taught over the last 2yrs, such as nano coating techniques, gans production techniques & plasmatic efficient wiring techniques etc. some are old hats at this and know that they are doing and are marching ahead at full speed. some are deviating from the design (blueprints) & trying to put in their own enhancements.

note: it is always best practice to replicate as per the plans, with no deviation, get the device working, then build another device and introduce your changes / enhancements there. as with any tech, attention to detail is important. as an analogy, omit a key component from an electronic circuit or put something in the wrong way round and it may not work at all.

hopefully during this week's or next week's Thurs KSW (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtQzN7XLiLvTpyUnQAa1mRw/videos), the KF will be in a position to showcase successful replications made by other knowledge seekers.

regarding people within the avalon community, i am only aware of less than a handful of people actively looking at this technology, most have "got-it" in some shape or form, though non are working on the plasma generator unit from what I can see. others that have taken notice, are still look for somewhere to shove their multi-meters, the road largely comes to a dead-end here (as an analogy, fire makes smoke, smoke doesn't make fire). the uptake to investigate this tech, by members on this forum appears to have been dismal to be honest. i guess this is an interesting & revealing conversation for another day.

as for keshe technology that is already out there, that is being actively used & experimented with, the following come to mind, have you familiarised yourself with any of these?

1. pain pad and pain pens (plasma-emotion field strength interaction)
2. using gans material for agriculture (plasma energy transfer, COHN)
3. material production using dynamic reactors .. produce gold or water etc. (wide spectrum plasmatic field interaction with imposed filters)
4. medical systems, treat cancer, burns, degenerative eye conditions etc. (magrav locking for energy depletion, repair layering by emulating layers of skin, ..)
5. precursor to the craft tech. reactor balls magically disappearing or moving through walls. time dilation effects. etc. (extending plasmatic field strength beyond matter state)
6. using gans as insect repellent by means of fields (emotion field interaction)
7. removing gmo enhancements from seeds with gans material (magrav balancing)
8. xray shielding using nano material ie. stealth tech (mag trap - black body)
9. emf shielding using dynamic reactors (field layering)
10. treatment of radio active contamination with gans material (magrav locking)
11. co2 / green house gas removal using gans material (mag attraction)
12. purifying water (toxins and contaminants) with gans material (magrav locking - sedimentation)
13. military's / governments getting up to no good (disabling warships, capturing drones etc.) - plasmatically inducing different states of carbon or silicon
14. the iranian space programme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P9YvKpfbHo) & i guess soon the russian & chinese. (creation of FP, magrav positioning)
xx. probably many more that i haven't though of at this moment
yy. ... with much more to come!

information regarding the bulk of the items listed above is all publicly available.

all the items listed above, are the embodiment or the same underlying tech principles and concepts.

regarding your cognitive dissonance, what i can say is some people have actively participated in understanding, experimentation and sharing, to bring forth most of the items listed above, but the bulk of the population that is aware of the tech, appear to be passive observers. it will be interesting to see how this evolves over time.

putting aside the effects created due to ignorance, trolls, disinfo etc. perhaps there is a lot more at play with the cognitive dissonance than we realise. remember we are completely naked with this technology, your real intentions, your real emotions etc. there is no hiding, the game changes now, a part of each and everyone of us already knows this.

[jaybee]

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really good post Aurelius, summarizing where it's all at, right now - - thanks for that -




5. precursor to the craft tech. reactor balls magically disappearing or moving through walls. time dilation effects. etc. (extending plasmatic field strength beyond matter state)


I wonder if the particle named neutrino is at play here - somehow -
'neutrinos' can pass through matter no problem and if the magnetic / gravitaional / plasmatic fields can interact with 'neutrinos' or even harness or capture them in some way - the matter attached / converted would pass through anything - at fractionally below the speed of light .? (I've seen somewhere they are hypothesized to go fractionally under the speed of light but perhaps that's just them with their brakes on when in the vicinity of 'matter' ? ) -


when the inner balls of gans material teleported into another room on a couple of occasions - Douglas' experiment being one time - perhaps the rotating fields kind of swirled some 'neurinos' into the mix --- :idea:


anyway I'm pondering aloud - :) - and also remembering in the film 'The Men Who Stare at Goats' when - think it was Stubblebine, kept trying to leap through the wall - then in the end did it -


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats


also in his interview with David Sereda .... Boyd Bushman at some point makes a reference to 'the neutrino universe' - interesting snippit about it begins at 1:51 -


Dtu25jD3ySE



Boyd Bushman (1936--) is a retired senior research engineer who worked for Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, Texas Instruments and Hughes Aircraft. Regarded as one of the inventors of the Stinger missile. CAREER CLASSIFICATIONS: PROGRAM MANAGER & SENIOR SCIENTIST


It was Boyd Bushman, of course, who made his Death Bed Documentary about 'aliens' and whatnot --- whistleblowing right up to the end - and he has been subjected to ridicule and been made a persona non grata on the internet for his trouble - RIP Boyd :heart:



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[mkscarola]

1. pain pad and pain pens (plasma-emotion field strength interaction)
2. using gans material for agriculture (plasma energy transfer, COHN)
3. material production using dynamic reactors .. produce gold or water etc. (wide spectrum plasmatic field interaction with imposed filters)
4. medical systems, treat cancer, burns, degenerative eye conditions etc. (magrav locking for energy depletion, repair layering by emulating layers of skin, ..)
5. precursor to the craft tech. reactor balls magically disappearing or moving through walls. time dilation effects. etc. (extending plasmatic field strength beyond matter state)
6. using gans as insect repellent by means of fields (emotion field interaction)
7. removing gmo enhancements from seeds with gans material (magrav balancing)
8. xray shielding using nano material ie. stealth tech (mag trap - black body)
9. emf shielding using dynamic reactors (field layering)
10. treatment of radio active contamination with gans material (magrav locking)
11. co2 / green house gas removal using gans material (mag attraction)
12. purifying water (toxins and contaminants) with gans material (magrav locking)
13. military's / governments already getting up to no good (disabling warships, capturing drones etc.) - inducing different states of carbon
14. the iranian space programme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P9YvKpfbHo) & i guess soon the russian & chinese. (creation of FP, magrav positioning)
xx. probably many more that i haven't though of at this moment
yy. ... with much more to come!


Yes I have heard of some of these, not all of them though, Thank you :bigsmile:. Some are really interesting. I was especially interested in the claims that the Magrav can transmute metals, namely Gold, since that would undoubtedly eradicate this outdated monetary system we have.




putting aside the effects created due to ignorance, trolls, disinfo etc. perhaps there is a lot more at play with the cognitive dissonance than we realise. remember we are completely naked with this technology, your real intentions, your real emotions etc. there is no hiding, the game changes now, a part of each and everyone of us already knows this.

I agree I think that subconsciously we all know this to be true. I always draw parallels from these new discoveries to the old Sacred Art of Alchemy. Whenever reading old alchemic texts on how they would transmute imperfect metals into gold, I always had a hunch that the deciding factor between success and failure was in the intention of the person performing the experiment...and that is why it was so uncanny. Even today we still have not acknowledged the power of intention or our minds for that matter. Anyway I digress..

[mkscarola]

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Anyway i'm pondering aloud - :) - and also remembering in the film 'the men who stare at goats' when - think it was stubblebine, kept trying to leap through the wall - then in the end did it -
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i love that movie. haha. Really great youtube video btw thank you Jaybee always appreciate your posts

[Aurelius]

<snip>




Yes I have heard of some of these, not all of them though, Thank you :bigsmile:. Some are really interesting. I was especially interested in the claims that the Magrav can transmute metals, namely Gold.

<snip>



look at posting #907 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1088876&viewfull=1#post1088876). there is also the same video, an extended version, with MK whiteboard session beforehand, where the principles are clearly explained.

ie. Ph = hydrogen concentration, used to create field interactions within Caroline core, taker (grav) vs giver (mag) vs filter.

i'm sure Peter has made a few more videos subsequently. also Alekz did this (matter out of field interactions, in layman terms "matter out of nothing"), in his living room well over a year ago now, i know of at least 2 or 3 videos publicly available where he showed this.

turns out you could also ask the Rothschilds for some help, as it appears this is what got them started in the beginning. :clapping:

all the capability that was promised to be delivered in the 1st paragraph, of the 1st posting in this thread, is slowly one by one being delivered.

[mkscarola]

Wow, thank you Aurelius. I have never been able to talk to anyone about these topics...really feel like I found a home here :clapping:

[Aurelius]

The Keshe Foundation is a compromised operation.


Pattern recognition...took a couple days to peel back several distinct layers of the onion as information was received and reviewed...last post was not posted to convince others of the same (don't concern myself with what you or anyone else conclude to be blunt), as this keshe operation is designed to force people to choose whether they're 'in' or not, leading people into a communist mindset within the context of a global oligarchy...an incredibly stupid thing to do.

I use the avalon forum to 'think out loud' on certain topics as information is made available...once a common sense conclusion becomes apparent, the appropriate course of action becomes self-evident (most of the time...not always).

While there may be some valid technology developed by one or more researchers who voluntarily fall under the keshe umbrella, pursuing it any further is likened unto chasing ghosts...a waste of time whether you catch one or not, as it will never ultimately serve its intended purpose within this hierarchical construct identified as the 'keshe foundation'. I actually learned some interesting things from investigating this group, though not what was suggested or intended by its leader.

i'm puzzled, is this you in the picture below?

if so, you attended the presentation, you made an open invitation to evaluate the technology at the joy factory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Threat_Reduction_Agency) where you work, now you post the above comments and have been pretty busy with spring cleaning (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?do=finduser&userid=17902&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1) all your posts on Avalon?

https://i.imgsafe.org/ca5b1a7db2.jpg

[mkscarola]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUFPG9sBZyU


just watched this video from the same channel that posted the Gold Reactor. This guy is using a wheel which spins when it comes into contact plasma fields. It made me wonder, could these plasma fields be the 'life force' that metaphysical and religious texts talk about?

[TargeT]

The Keshe Foundation is a compromised operation.


Pattern recognition...took a couple days to peel back several distinct layers of the onion as information was received and reviewed...last post was not posted to convince others of the same (don't concern myself with what you or anyone else conclude to be blunt), as this keshe operation is designed to force people to choose whether they're 'in' or not, leading people into a communist mindset within the context of a global oligarchy...an incredibly stupid thing to do.

I use the avalon forum to 'think out loud' on certain topics as information is made available...once a common sense conclusion becomes apparent, the appropriate course of action becomes self-evident (most of the time...not always).

While there may be some valid technology developed by one or more researchers who voluntarily fall under the keshe umbrella, pursuing it any further is likened unto chasing ghosts...a waste of time whether you catch one or not, as it will never ultimately serve its intended purpose within this hierarchical construct identified as the 'keshe foundation'. I actually learned some interesting things from investigating this group, though not what was suggested or intended by its leader.

i'm puzzled, is this you in the picture below?

if so, you attended the presentation, you made an open invitation to evaluate the technology at the joy factory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Threat_Reduction_Agency) where you work, now you post the above comments and have been pretty busy with spring cleaning (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?do=finduser&userid=17902&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1) all your posts on Avalon?

https://i.imgsafe.org/ca5b1a7db2.jpg


Todd Hathaway's (Army Nuclear and Counterproliferation (FA52) Officer, U.S. Army) involvement with advanced alternative energy technologies started ~20 years ago with a paper on superconductivity. His first cold fusion event was held in 1997 in College Station, Texas, after Texas A&M University kicked the event off campus.
http://www.wonksmedia.com/resume.pdf


Nora H. Maccoby is an award-winning screenwriter (Buffalo Soldiers, Bongwater), television producer of VH1's new show Stephanie Spring; author; and lecturer with expertise in alternative energy technologies. She is co-founder of Nature's Partners, a non-profit foundation devoted to energy literacy/education. As Vice President of The Maccoby Group, she consults with a broad range of energy users and influentials, including members of Congress, the Department of Defense, International Fund for China's Environment, the State of California, the government of Grenada, the New Energy Congress, private industry and new energy technology entities.

Quite the power couple there...

are you feeling conspiratorial right now? this guy would absolutely be present given Keshe's claims of being a nuclear physicist (or what ever),, that's basically his job in the military..

He's been in the FE game for a while, I think there's some credence to his statements; though to not color it by his employment would be foolish as well I suppose... Luckily correlation does not equate to causation, and never has... so all logical fallacy aside; what exactly are you getting at?

[Aurelius]

<snip>

just watched this video from the same channel that posted the Gold Reactor. This guy is using a wheel which spins when it comes into contact plasma fields. It made me wonder, could these plasma fields be the 'life force' that metaphysical and religious texts talk about?

there is definitely something strange about the Egely device. i have monitored one in my lab on and off for the past 6 months. most times you can interact with it quite easily. it does appear to interact with the plasmatic fields. i have looked for info directly from Egely himself, detailing how he believes the device works. have you seen this (https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/36847810/this-is-the-1st-of-clark-letter-compilations-uduchowieni/4) before? lot's of nuggets in there, fish out the important ones. a simple experiment you can perform on page 103 or 139. you might also enjoy this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91934-Russian-Scientists-Announce-Historic-Discovery&p=1082857&viewfull=1#post1082857) (Egely himself in action)

you are correct, new instrumentation is required to detect plasmatic fields. i once spoke to pete peterson about this, he felt radionics (in its original form) was the way to go & kept emphasizing the strange hyper-dimensional properties of melanin* (his term not mine. i would use the term field strength instead).
personally i plan to build a strange set of eyeglasses soon, where i can swap-out various lenses (plasmatic filters) and see what success i get. hopefully soon we will see some developments on this front, in terms of new instrumentation.

regarding your last sentence, absolutely!. re-examining Reich's work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pllRW9wETzw), but from a plasmatic perspective is an interesting exercise.

[jaybee]

<snip>




Yes I have heard of some of these, not all of them though, Thank you :bigsmile:. Some are really interesting. I was especially interested in the claims that the Magrav can transmute metals, namely Gold.

<snip>



look at posting #907 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1088876&viewfull=1#post1088876). there is also the same video, an extended version, with MK whiteboard session beforehand, where the principles are clearly explained.

ie. Ph = hydrogen concentration, used to create field interactions within Caroline core, taker (grav) vs giver (mag) vs filter.

i'm sure Peter has made a few more videos subsequently. also Alekz did this (matter out of field interactions, in layman terms "matter out of nothing"), in his living room well over a year ago now, i know of at least 2 or 3 videos publicly available where he showed this.

turns out you could also ask the Rothschilds for some help, as it appears this is what got them started in the beginning. :clapping:

all the capability that was promised to be delivered in the 1st paragraph, of the 1st posting in this thread, is slowly one by one being delivered.


re the bit about the Rothschild gold - that was one of those 'ah ha' moments when Mr Keshe pulled that one out of the bag - :) -

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[jaybee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUFPG9sBZyU


just watched this video from the same channel that posted the Gold Reactor. This guy is using a wheel which spins when it comes into contact plasma fields. It made me wonder, could these plasma fields be the 'life force' that metaphysical and religious texts talk about?


You know - I think they probably are ---

Thanks for that video -I loved it and it is very interesting indeed -

I wonder if he has ever eliminated himself from the experiment - if that's even possible :) -- like putting it by the magrav coils and filming it while he is in another room or even a few miles away.. just a thought because of that thing about the influence of the observer - but then I think even the presence of a camera and the intent of the person who set it up constitutes a (time lapse) observer -- double slit experiment and all that jazz -

just having a little ponder on that thought regarding the inescapable integration of the plasma (life) field -- regardless of time or distance --

anyway - after watching the video I thought about dowsing - if you let a dowsing pendulum dangle from your fingers it's quite easy to 'think it' to circle one way - then 'think it' to circle the other way - tuning into and influencing the magrav plasma fields I suppose -

I just got a couple of pendulums out to double check that as I haven't done it for a while - one is a natural arrow shaped slate like stone that I found in a steam that even had a hole already in the right place to thread some string through - the other one is a quartz crystal, clasped in silver with a thread of copper to hang it from - and yes it's still easy to do and I think is also a simple tool that shows the integration of the plasma fields and consciousness -- like your video did - have a go and see if you can do it - anything can be used as a pendulum apparently - don't try too hard - just let some nice relaxed intention waft around lol - and the circles you 'make' the pendulum do can be quite tiny at first then as confidence and belief grows they can get stronger -


thanks for the inspiration -- :flower:

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[TargeT]

I just got a couple of pendulums out to double check that as I haven't done it for a while - one is a natural arrow shaped slate like stone that I found in a steam that even had a hole already in the right place to thread some string through - the other one is a quartz crystal, clasped in silver with a thread of copper to hang it from - and yes it's still easy to do and I think is also a simple tool that shows the integration of the plasma fields and consciousness -- like your video did - have a go and see if you can do it - anything can be used as a pendulum apparently - don't try too hard - just let some nice relaxed intention waft around lol - and the circles you 'make' the pendulum do can be quite tiny at first then as confidence and belief grows they can get stronger -
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because... Science?



Daily echo chamber warning:

Keshe's ideas are inspirational at their core; in reality any technically minded person on this forum (and there's been a few) that has spent some time on the material believes this is a waste of time and by this point ( mid 2016) it's starting to look more and more like a scam, or psyop or something.

I'm reminded of an old saying here:

If it's too good to be true, then it probably is.


Look at this as a discernment test (a rather good one, especially if you're not brushed up on your electrical understanding) & approach it objectively (as I think all things should be approached).


This topic has been explored on avalon since 2012 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44711-Keshe-Foundation-gives-free-energy-and-other-technology-to-ALL-countries.&highlight=Keshe)... if nothing significant has happened in over 4 years of countless "deadlines" and "surprise announcements" what do YOU think is really going on here?

[jaybee]

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@TargeT --- as you have quoted me to make one of your anti Keshe posts I will respond -

You go out of your way to sow seeds of doubt about the Keshe Foundation and try to create mistrust -

I just can't take your posts in this thread seriously --- sorry to be so blunt --- but it's that simple -

:nono:

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[TargeT]

You go out of your way to sow seeds of doubt about the Keshe Foundation and try to create mistrust -


I go out of my way to sow doubt on ALL dogmatic topics, not just this one.

:)

in the really real world I'm often praised for my "stable" nature even if it's punctuated with a lot of levity...

I post here because:

I own an electric motorcycle, I just recently installed (myself,,, took forever) a 30 panel solar system (batteries, inverters, charge controllers.. all of it!) & through these two items I've learned a lot about the di-electric phenomenon (both AC and DC versions).. I've learned how much more complex it is than I thought it was originally & I've learned enough to know that the stuff I read on this forum in relation to keshe goes directly against my experiential knowledge (which admittedly is far less than a few other posters who have agreed with my assessment on this very thread).

On the purely informational side, I've also been looking into Keshe and Alt energy for YEARS.

I'm not trying to convince you, I'm putting a warning label on this thread for the new readers... people with dissenting opinions are not treated every well on this thread & that's why it gets very "echo chamber" like here, but that won't stop me.. Truth cares not how it's handled.

You can take me seriously or not, if not; at least provide something of substance to further the discussion.. this IS a public forum & we do have an audience; I feel obligated to step in with rationality (and at times levity) to balance the scales.

we have yet to see any Kehes device that actually works or has been tested in any way that would be accepted by any person that has even an inkling of a technical mind. (making zinc oxide in a tub of water and calling it "ganz" really doesn't count)

This is what a real technology goes through, THIS is probably an actual "FE" device (well sort of, it's really just "cold" fusion).. THIS is what keshe should be doing if he is serious... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59376-Third-Party-E-Cat-Test-Results-Published--Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device-&highlight=Keshe)

http://thenewstack.io/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Screen-Shot-2015-12-22-at-2.34.30-PM-300x292.png

[jaybee]

I'm not trying to convince you, I'm putting a warning label on this thread for the new readers... people with dissenting opinions are not treated every well on this thread & that's why it gets very "echo chamber" like here, but that won't stop me.. Truth cares not how it's handled.


stop quoting and my words for your dubious mission then -

putting a warning label on this thread ? -- lol - your posts are probably having the opposite affect -

anyway - you have baited me into a couple of responses... happy now... ?

:fencing:

:eyebrows:

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[mkscarola]

I own an electric motorcycle, I just recently installed (myself,,, took forever) a 30 panel solar system (batteries, inverters, charge controllers.. all of it!) & through these two items I've learned a lot about the di-electric phenomenon (both AC and DC versions).. I've learned how much more complex it is than I thought it was originally & I've learned enough to know that the stuff I read on this forum in relation to keshe goes directly against my experiential knowledge (which admittedly is far less than a few other posters who have agreed with my assessment on this very thread).


Well now I see why you are so butt hurt. This is not an electric generator. This is a PLASMA generator...that generates electricity. And just because it generates electricity, does not mean that your electrical principles apply. Plasma is a cloud of protons, neutrons and electrons where all the electrons have come loose from their respective molecules and atoms giving the plasma the ability to act as a whole rather than as a bunch of atoms. A plasma is more like a gas than any of the other states of matter because the atoms are not in constant contact with each other, but it behaves differently from a gas. It has what scientists call collective behavior. This means that the plasma can flow like a liquid or it can contain areas that are like clumps of atoms sticking together. Clearly, plasma and electricity are not the same. Now I am not saying that I blindly follow Keshe or believe 100% that his technology works (seeing as I have not built one myself), but I am definitely not tossing his ideas out the window. I don't know if Keshe's technology works, but just because it is mysterious and bizarre does not mean that it should be ruled out just yet.

[TargeT]

This is not an electric generator. This is a PLASMA generator...that generates electricity.


so it's an electric generator...

I've worked with plasma before, plasma torches, plasma antenna on our tactical vehicles... please describe to me how this device creates plasma & why it's never measurable; please describe to me why this " This is a PLASMA generator...that generates electricity." cannot be shown to produce electricity?

I'm not "butt hurt" I'm down right confused.

I've spent 4 years on this topic, how about you?

[mkscarola]

This is what a real technology goes through, THIS is probably an actual "FE" device (well sort of, it's really just "cold" fusion).. THIS is what keshe should be doing if he is serious... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59376-Third-Party-E-Cat-Test-Results-Published--Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device-&highlight=Keshe)



Cold fusion is worth investigating. That does not mean that everyone should drop what they are researching and put all their eggs in the cold fusion basket. Now I can see why you think that Keshe is a waste of time, with all of his postponement, but you do realize that anyone bringing FE into the world is going to face ENORMOUS obstacles and setbacks, not to mention scrutiny and contempt from all corners of science (and society). Have you ever heard of Wade Frazier? If not I suggest looking at his website, ahealedplanet.net. He goes into detail about the multi trillion dollar market that FE threatens and what those up top will do to defend it. With that said, this is the most important technology that humanity has ever come across. People have built Free Energy machines and the technology does exist. It is extremely suppressed and hard to find any credible research on. Maybe Keshe's technology won't work and I won't know that until I build one (which I will be starting soon), but if it doesn't work guess what, I can rule that out and be that much closer to finding a technology that does work. The reason I am investigating this in the first place is because the plans are open source and it is simple enough for me to build. I also look into cold fusion, zero point energy, magnetic generators, and more. I saw talk about Keshe taking people's money in the thread you linked. Hey if they are willing to give it to him without seeing a working product that is on them. I have not given him a dime, the only money I am investing is in the parts/materials for the machine, which is well worth it to me...regardless of if it works or not (it's fun). No one has all the answers to FE, not Keshe, NOT EVEN YOU mr. experiential knowledge.

[ThePythonicCow]

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@TargeT --- as you have quoted me to make one of your anti Keshe posts I will respond -

You go out of your way to sow seeds of doubt about the Keshe Foundation and try to create mistrust -

I just can't take your posts in this thread seriously --- sorry to be so blunt --- but it's that simple -

:nono:

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TargeT has presented good reasons to discredit Keshe's claims. I pretty much agree with him. TargeT's been doing his best to analyze, with appropriate competence in such matters as electrical fields and currents, what Keshe has claimed, demonstrated, or explained (mostly the former, little of the latter two.)

If all you can do is disparage TargeT for "sowing seeds of doubt" and "trying to create mistrust", then it's clear that TargeT's analysis is falling on deaf ears.

It's difficult to have a worthwhile discussion with those who scorn evidence provided, claim evidence never provided, and turn sensible and accurate summations of the situation into ad hominem disparagements.

I really do value worthwhile discussions.

[ThePythonicCow]

anyway - you have baited me into a couple of responses... happy now... ?

:fencing:

:eyebrows:

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Please consider rating the value of your posts here by how much genuine insight or information they provide, not like it was a contest to see how many items on the The Rules of Disinformation (http://whale.to/m/disin.html) you could check off.

I too have many years (probably more than TargeT, given my ripe old age) of experience with electrical and electronic equipment, including degrees and professional experience in related fields.

My warning label for this thread:

Keshe has shown nothing of substance that I have seen, for his years of "sound and fury, signifying nothing (Shakespeare)".