Significant Keshe Foundation public announcements

[TargeT]

It's difficult to have a worthwhile discussion

I think this "topic" is indicative of a larger issue; a representation of the "us vs them" divide.

We are seeing mass manipulation on many fronts; this being an example of, at least, a form of it. There are no discernible facts; but there are great and attractive "ideas"... I think this is a larger pattern played out in small scale (not many people give credence to F.E.). It is targeted at the ideologists, those that WISH better and desperately hope for better. Those that could, if directed appropriately: cause change.

But the victims cannot acknowledge this, they have "buy in"... it's a fascinating topic... that "buy in" commits them, there's a very limited and directed "us" at that point, and a HUGE "them" (the best of divide and conquer).

I feel that we are under a multi-front assault, and it's so subtle; hardly anyone notices it, it took me a long time, the key to it is, it covers a WIDE range of topics.....

[ThePythonicCow]

I feel that we are under a multi-front assault, and it's so subtle; hardly anyone notices it, it took me a long time, the key to it is, it covers a WIDE range of topics.....
Well said.

[Daozen]

It's difficult to have a worthwhile discussion

I think this "topic" is indicative of a larger issue; a representation of the "us vs them" divide.

We are seeing mass manipulation on many fronts; this being an example of, at least, a form of it. There are no discernible facts; but there are great and attractive "ideas"... I think this is a larger pattern played out in small scale (not many people give credence to F.E.). It is targeted at the ideologists, those that WISH better and desperately hope for better. Those that could, if directed appropriately: cause change.

But the victims cannot acknowledge this, they have "buy in"... it's a fascinating topic... that "buy in" commits them, there's a very limited and directed "us" at that point, and a HUGE "them" (the best of divide and conquer).

I feel that we are under a multi-front assault, and it's so subtle; hardly anyone notices it, it took me a long time, the key to it is, it covers a WIDE range of topics.....

Ne'er a true word spoken, TargeT. I've seen the same dynamics at play in the Bitcoin community. Multiple honeypots for potential Neos.

The controllers have lost the media. It's ours now. Jello Biafra's dream came true: "Don't hate the media, be the media."

Now they are trying to stop two further breakouts:

1) Financial breakout where non-debt fintech: Kickstarter, Bitcoin, Venmo, Bitmixer, Startsomegood, Equity Crowdfunding, Crowdmortgages,Changetip, whatever... hits critical mass in the mainstream. Cobra, Neil Keenan, The Red Dragons, The Blue Avians, Karen Hudes et al are dangling carrots, trying to keep potential financial technology displacers confused, sedated, and unaware of their mission.

2) Energy Breakout Where the developing world gets hold of simple hand-cranked and solar lights, and the developed world moves to off grid home generation on a large scale. Keshe, and many in the free energy scene, are bashing pots and pans, trying to distract from humble, quiet innovators. In this way they can prevent Earth reaching critical mass in the energy device field.

A new generation of changemakers are waking up, and the jaws of the honey traps are wide open for business. Zen Gardner's testimonial gives us valuable insight into how the indoctrination works. The abovementioned frauds would be lone voices in a corner of the net, were it not for the thousands of bizarro-liberators copypasting their lies all over the place. On a soul level, their supporters are involved too. Mass Hopenosis.

Carry on, pundits. Don't mind me. :cash::cash::cash:

[TargeT]

Ne'er a true word spoken, TargeT. I've seen the same dynamics at play in the Bitcoin community. Multiple honeypots for potential Neos.
:

everything that benefits "us" and gets "big" is co-opted... Tor, Bitcoin, Teaparty, Berne, BLM, large FE movements; all of it.. and in SUCH a subtle way that the believers in this cause won't even take the time to second guess themselves (even when they are calling for genocide at the worst, or confusing scientific terms at the least) the over all outcome is a drain on energy.

This drain on energy (AKA motivation... MOTIVATIONis the baby of necessity.. in other words... we are being robbed of what we NEED to do.) is IMO the worst thing that has happend in history.

We have the internet

WE have open communication

WE have a nearly unified ideal on outcome.

yet we have these divergents, these cleverly created siphons......


Interest, Creativity, Motivation... all of these are finite, they are expendable... I have come to realize this at 36. When ever you are mis-directed (just focus on the grammar for a bit there.. MISS (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/miss)DIRECTED (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/directed)) through DIS (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dis)-Info (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/information) your (our) talents are being wasted.

I guess I don't even know how to explain it, yet it is obvious to me.


Jello Biafra's dream came true: "Don't hate the media, be the media."


Honestly.. I'm a HEARTBEAT away from starting a youtube channel and pouring my time into it....

what I've seen from that platform, at least at it's current manifestation tells me that independent thought, rationality and media WILL pull us through... I'm very tempted at this time.

I do not see a better path for "us" at this moment. Ideas have to be spread; the source can be criticized later... but a monopoly on ideas (current television is representative of a total of what... 6 corporations??) IMO is FAR worse than a gluttony of ideas; one inherently promotes choice and consideration, the other inherently promotes collusion and control via censorship.

[Daozen]

everything that benefits "us" and gets "big" is co-opted... Tor, Bitcoin, Teaparty, Berne, BLM, large FE movements; all of it.. and in SUCH a subtle way that the believers in this cause won't even take the time to second guess themselves (even when they are calling for genocide at the worst, or confusing scientific terms at the least) the over all outcome is a drain on energy.

This drain on energy (AKA motivation... MOTIVATIONis the baby of necessity.. in other words... we are being robbed of what we NEED to do.) is IMO the worst thing that has happend in history.

I agree, past a certain size point there's subtle co-option. With Bitcoin, it's not so hard to see. Henri de Castries is involved. AKA Bildercoin.

As big ideas get subverted, like you said, it's best to keep it small. That's how we won the media. Click by click, small site by small site. In that manner, it's impossible to snuff out any one idea. In one word, the process that is taking place is FRAGMENTATION. A very positive dissolution of control structures.

Youtube is good, but if you have computer skills, I think apps are the way forward. The net is saturated with ideas. Donation websites help people turn dreams into reality. Web apps help people acheive their dreams in less mouse clicks than videos. But it's all good. Everyone is drawn to their own mission.

[jaybee]

Please consider rating the value of your posts here by how much genuine insight or information they provide, not like it was a contest to see how many items on the The Rules of Disinformation (http://whale.to/m/disin.html) you could check off.

I too have many years (probably more than TargeT, given my ripe old age) of experience with electrical and electronic equipment, including degrees and professional experience in related fields.

My warning label for this thread:

Keshe has shown nothing of substance that I have seen, for his years of "sound and fury, signifying nothing (Shakespeare)".


To be honest and in my own defence - I think my posts in this thread are ok...

we all have our own way of communicating and different interests - as Aurelius listed in a previous post - there are many aspects to the Keshe Technology and something for everyone - ie health, agriculture etc - the magrav 'free' energy units are just one part of it -

what can I say...?

I do believe that the kind of technology that Keshe is teaching and promoting is, in the future, going to transform society in the same way that electricity has - this, IMO, is just the beginning - like many many people I'm trying to learn more about it and understand it better -- that's all....




There is a live workshop starting right now for anyone who's interested -

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/55344-the-134th-knowledge-seekers-workshop-will-start-thursday-august-25th-2016



The 134th Knowledge Seekers Workshop will start Thursday August 25th 2016 at 9 am CEST, (midnight Wednesday August 24th Pacific time)

Mr Keshe of the Keshe Foundation Spaceship Institute and other knowledge seekers of the world, present the latest in plasma science.

Livestream streaming at:
http://livestream.com/KFSSI/events/5758705

Knowledge Seekers Workshops Zoom room at:
https://spaceshipinstitute.zoom.us/j/939474503

Youtube Streaming channel:
http://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live

Knowledge Seekers Workshops playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...hfCrSpuGDaNtRK

Latest info found at:
Keshe Foundation website: http://www.keshefoundation.org

.

[ThePythonicCow]

To be honest and in my own defence - I think my posts in this thread are ok...

we all have our own way of communicating and different interests - as Aurelius listed in a previous post - there are many aspects to the Keshe Technology and something for everyone - ie health, agriculture etc - the magrav 'free' energy units are just one part of it -

what can I say...?

I do believe that the kind of technology that Keshe is teaching and promoting is, in the future, going to transform society in the same way that electricity has - this, IMO, is just the beginning - like many many people I'm trying to learn more about it and understand it better -- that's all....


What can you say:


You could recognize that Keshe has not actually demonstrated any verifiably working "over unity" devices, that produce sustainable conventional electrical output power, above and beyond their input power by any conventional chemical, electrical or mechanical means.
You could recognize that Keshe has not actually provided instructions sufficient to enable others to build and demonstrate any such verifiably working "over unity" devices.
You could recognize that Keshe has not actually published a usable or comprehensible body of physics theory from which any such devices might be engineered.


I am not denying that there is such a physics, quite different from that taught in our schools and universities.

I am not denying that such devices could be, and likely are being (within black projects), built.

I am not denying that the widespread use of such devices could, if such happened, have the capacity to transform society.

===

I am denying that us ordinary people are being provided any practical way to obtain, use and benefit from such devices.

I am denying that Keshe's "work" (false promises, in my view) will lead to any such positive transformation of society.

===

In my view, we're being sold down the river (as black slaves were sold, down the Mississippi river, in some past years) (http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/01/27/265421504/what-does-sold-down-the-river-really-mean-the-answer-isnt-pretty). The Bastards in Power retain deep roots into the human psyche and into human civilization.

Any seriously useful science or technology will be kept well under their control, as best they are able. This Keshe operation is just one of the many ways that we are kept weakened and ignorant, even as we might think we are becoming strong and aware.

My recommendation: Don't fall for it, and get a few more clues.

[Johnny]

I have been busy with other things in a couple of days, and return to the thread where a minor war is evolving.

First 'us vs them' shall we relax with this IMO wonderful piece of music and one of my favorite music group:


rbL0r_Lbd_4

and then let us take this too:


Z2iLGrmUaq8

What was the last for ??? Life IS a dream and if you haven't been there yet, you have something to look forward to !! (first it is a horrible discovery/experience, but later you can take advance of it)

First:


My recommendation: Don't fall for it,

Too late :bigsmile:

Second:


and get a few more clues.

Yes we are eager for it !!

About Kesh's false promises, then I have been given my point of view about that, in another post here on the thread.

I remember some of you in some earlier posts talked about Sterling David Allan, “Mr PES-Wiki" and his remarkable work, here you can read more about him and others (you can also take it as a clue):

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/24/pushback-global-crime-syndicates-v-keshe-groups/

and while we are gathering that kind of clue, here is another one: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/24/vt-exclusive-largest-pedophile-ring-in-history-70000-members-heads-of-state-the-rats-scramble/

Johnny :)

[TargeT]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/24/pushback-global-crime-syndicates-v-keshe-groups/

and while we are gathering that kind of clue, here is another one: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/24/vt-exclusive-largest-pedophile-ring-in-history-70000-members-heads-of-state-the-rats-scramble/

Johnny :)

Duff has a history... I used to be a "veteranstoday" fan, until I read for a few months...

I'd be careful with that source, he is a self admited dis-info agent.. SELF ADMITTED. in reality all that means is that when you read something form him you now have a homework assignment (to fact check & verify).

I grew tired with the homework assignments & their out comes and have quit reading his stuff (for a while now).


this entire debate would be ended with 1 single example of any of Keshe's claims being shown to be true.

there are VERY clear bench marks for everything he has claimed, none of this is new.. we KNOW how to test for these things; he has yet to do it.

and no one on this thread can present anything conclusive... after 5ish years....



a minor war is evolving.


Nope. I'm picking through the battle field looking for wounded.. the war is long over; though some don't quite see it yet.

[TODD & NORA]

https://vimeo.com/157722744

Sousan followed Keshe for years. She invested in the tech. She became a student of the Keshe Institute. She then invested her own money to travel to Italy to see the Keshe operation for herself.

She found a proxy operation and has exposed Keshe as a Fraud. She has come forward to give her testimony to help prevent others from losing hundreds or thousands of dollars on Keshe products that will never arrive and don’t work.

Her testimony took place over 4 youtube videos, mixed in with other conversations.
We have condensed her testimony into one video here to make it easier to follow and hear the information she has to share. The audio is a little shaky in several places, but it clears up shortly.

This is original footage created by “Circle Healing Network”. The links for the original videos can be found on youtube, we have provided them in the description.

This video has been created for educational non-profit, fair use purposes. Our intent is to help disseminate public information and testimony that uncovers fraud and corruption protected under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

[Nick Matkin]

Well, well, well.

So how long before someone pops up here and tells us all that Sousan Alexander is a paid disinformation agent?

[Johnny]

https://vimeo.com/157722744

Sousan followed Keshe for years. She invested in the tech. She became a student of the Keshe Institute. She then invested her own money to travel to Italy to see the Keshe operation for herself.

She found a proxy operation and has exposed Keshe as a Fraud. She has come forward to give her testimony to help prevent others from losing hundreds or thousands of dollars on Keshe products that will never arrive and don’t work.

Her testimony took place over 4 youtube videos, mixed in with other conversations.
We have condensed her testimony into one video here to make it easier to follow and hear the information she has to share. The audio is a little shaky in several places, but it clears up shortly.

This is original footage created by “Circle Healing Network”. The links for the original videos can be found on youtube, we have provided them in the description.

This video has been created for educational non-profit, fair use purposes. Our intent is to help disseminate public information and testimony that uncovers fraud and corruption protected under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

(Just so your post will not disappears !!!)

I know her, she works for GOD (Gold, Oil & Drugs) cartels !

Right now I am watching a YouTube about your wonderful country called 'Ring of Power'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZYB_IOqeOE

And the next on my list is: John Perkins - The Secret History of the American Empire ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fVAifnnlg0

Johnny :)

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Well, well, well.

So how long before someone pops up here and tells us all that Sousan Alexander is a paid disinformation agent?

It didn't take long :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

[animovado]

I know her, she works for GOD (Gold, Oil & Drugs) cartels !

Can you please elaborate on that a bit? (If it's not to off topic right here)

[lake]

True or not....I dont know.......lol


Free EM Energy from the Vacuum and Its Use to Power Loads is Already Rigorously Proven


Bald Faced: Solar Panel for an Unsexy Machine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20264-Bald-Faced-Solar-Panel-for-an-Unsexy-Machine)

Just a thought!

[TargeT]

I know her, she works for GOD (Gold, Oil & Drugs) cartels !

Can you please elaborate on that a bit? (If it's not to off topic right here)
I can.


That's a classic example of the logical fallacy "Ad Homenim" where the author distracts from the message and focus on the messenger.

It's a great way to confuse the topic, especially when you don't want to do any leg work on verifying or dis-proving a given message.

[Johnny]

I know her, she works for GOD (Gold, Oil & Drugs) cartels !

Can you please elaborate on that a bit? (If it's not to off topic right here)

First, when I said I know her, it is of course not personally, and then I must admit, I only have heard about her when Keshe mention her in a workshop 1½ - 2 month ago, and the words I used was not his but mine. !!

As I remember Keshe words was: she was a paid mis informer.

I was out yesterday to search her on Google, it was not much I could find (and nothing in the last month) other than some videos,

I looked at one of the videos, she didn't mention what she was doing other than working on some projects. So either she has a bag of money or she is working for somebody.

I was also out on some sites about what some people said about Keshe, and I must say I was astonished, it was from, he is a scam to he was about to take the Cabal down, so he could take over the world,

also that he was accused to have killed Fabio, I have never been out on such site before (about Keshe), but now I know a little bit more about what he is up against (in the popular opinion), but I don't think he care about such things.

I do not !!!

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

I know her, she works for GOD (Gold, Oil & Drugs) cartels !

Can you please elaborate on that a bit? (If it's not to off topic right here)
I can.


That's a classic example of the logical fallacy "Ad Homenim" where the author distracts from the message and focus on the messenger.

It's a great way to confuse the topic, especially when you don't want to do any leg work on verifying or dis-proving a given message.

Oh yeah !! I have met "Ad Homenim" many times here on the thread, you can look at your own posts, when the talk is about plasma tech, you talk about Keshe.

Johnny :)

[TargeT]

Oh yeah !! I have met "Ad Homenim" many times here on the thread, you can look at your own posts, when the talk is about plasma tech, you talk about Keshe.

Johnny :)

I believe that would be the logical fallacy "straw man" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) with just a pinch of Ad Hominem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)mixed in.

I'm not very good at spotting compound logical fallacy, good exercise.


How ever, we are now not only NOT talking about the message given by Sousan, we are not even talking about you distracting from that message with a logical fallacy, we are now talking about you distracting from your distraction with another distraction...

I'm on to your wiley ways you wrascal!!


I believe the discussion was centered on this:


She found a proxy operation and has exposed Keshe as a Fraud. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1093754&viewfull=1#post1093754)

To which your response basically was:



As I remember Keshe words was: she was a paid mis informer.


So you have no evidence except what the person accused of fraud claims, is that correct?

[Johnny]

Oh yeah !! I have met "Ad Homenim" many times here on the thread, you can look at your own posts, when the talk is about plasma tech, you talk about Keshe.

Johnny :)

I believe that would be the logical fallacy "straw man" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) with just a pinch of Ad Hominem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)mixed in.

I'm not very good at spotting compound logical fallacy, good exercise.


How ever, we are now not only NOT talking about the message given by Sousan, we are not even talking about you distracting from that message with a logical fallacy, we are now talking about you distracting from your distraction with another distraction...



Jesus man !!! do you have a 'bad hairday' ??? :)



I'm on to your wiley ways you wrascal!!


???? I do not understand this (is it a kind of slang, or a saying in English ?? )




I believe the discussion was centered on this:


She found a proxy operation and has exposed Keshe as a Fraud. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1093754&viewfull=1#post1093754)

To which your response basically was:



As I remember Keshe words was: she was a paid mis informer.


So you have no evidence except what the person accused of fraud claims, is that correct?

That is correct ! I don't need it, because I do not see any kind of evidence from her. !! She CLAIMS she found a proxy operation !! So your job is now/could be to come with evidence, to what she claims is correct.

This can be another good exercise for you :bigsmile:


Johnny :)

PS: Maybe you just fell for her words because it is very convenient for you !! ?? (at least currently)

[TargeT]

Oh yeah !! I have met "Ad Homenim" many times here on the thread, you can look at your own posts, when the talk is about plasma tech, you talk about Keshe.

Johnny :)

I believe that would be the logical fallacy "straw man" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) with just a pinch of Ad Hominem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)mixed in.

I'm not very good at spotting compound logical fallacy, good exercise.


How ever, we are now not only NOT talking about the message given by Sousan, we are not even talking about you distracting from that message with a logical fallacy, we are now talking about you distracting from your distraction with another distraction...



Jesus man !!! do you have a 'bad hairday' ??? :)

That' s my secret, every day is a bad hair day....
https://pics.onsizzle.com/thats-my-secret-i-always-have-helmet-hair-memegenerator-net-2698126.png





I'm on to your wiley ways you wrascal!!


???? I do not understand this (is it a kind of slang, or a saying in English ?? )

a terrible adaptation of an older bugs bunny routine..

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/7d/3e/37/7d3e372e65d05c6de6f3712141032b48.jpg





I believe the discussion was centered on this:


She found a proxy operation and has exposed Keshe as a Fraud. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1093754&viewfull=1#post1093754)

To which your response basically was:



As I remember Keshe words was: she was a paid mis informer.


So you have no evidence except what the person accused of fraud claims, is that correct?

That is correct ! I don't need it, because I do not see any kind of evidence from her. !! She CLAIMS she found a proxy operation !! So your job is now/could be to come with evidence, to what she claims is correct.

This can be another good exercise for you :bigsmile:


Johnny :)

PS: Maybe you just fell for her words because it is very convenient for you !! ?? (at least currently)

I didn't read her words, just trying to clarify your argument so I "gets it".

[TargeT]

I didn't realize this was "hopegirl", I've read some of her stuff before.. seems a bit too steeped in emotion for me personally.


Keshe Investigation By The People
March 4, 2016

The following is a report we put together to help guide individuals through a body of disclosure information about the Keshe Foundation and its technology. We have divided the report into steps to make it easy to follow. This report will take several hours or a few days to go through completely as it contains links to large amounts of footage. We ask that you review all the information for yourself to come to your own conclusion. We have done our best to maintain a factual point of view in the presentation of this material. Opinions or conclusions drawn by the author of this report have been compiled in a separate document outside of this report.
http://prepareforchange.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/KESHE-investigative-report.png
Step One:
Please watch the following 2 ½ hour video “The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 3 Show me the Plasma”. This video is a presentation put on by the Fix the World Organization that covers Keshe Technology basics in the first half and then Keshe’s business practices in the second half.
Link to Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmp5Z4c9lE
Link to the PowerPoint Presentation for the Show:
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/show-me-the-plasma-slides.pptx

Step Two:
Read through all these links and documents that were mentioned in the presentation:

Keshe’s Arrest Warrants in Dutch and English
Belgium Police to Mehran Tavakoli Keshe – Kortrijk – 11.4.2014 (2)
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Belgium-Police-to-Mehran-Tavakoli-Keshe-Kortrijk-11.4.2014-2.pdf

English Translation Belgium Keshe Arrest Warrant
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/English-Translation-Belgium-Keshe-Arrest-Warrant.pdf

Answers to call out for links to Keshe devices that work
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Answers-to-call-out-for-links-to-Keshe-devices-that-work.pdf

Form to submit your measurements of your Purchased Keshe Magrav Units
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Measurement-Submissions-of-Purchased-Keshe-Magrav-Units.docx

Ten years Keshe Foundation – a review
The German Website http://karfreitagsgrill-weckdienst.org/ has published an interesting review of the Ten years anniversary of the Infamous Keshe Foundation, checking over the various claims disclosed by Keshe during each one of these years.

DOWNLOAD THIS zip file to view and view “index” file only
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Ten-years-Keshe-Foundation-a-review.zip

Keshe Fact or Fiction?
Important article from other teams of energy engineers and scientists in the “free energy” arena. Very telling body of information.
http://emediapress.com/2015/11/14/keshe-fact-or-fiction/
Relevant Facebook Thread from Aaron Murakami about Keshe Foundation Fact or Fiction
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Relevant-Facebook-Thread-from-Aaron-Murakami-about-Keshe-Foundation-Fact-or-Fiction.pdf
Keshe timeline of lack of success
http://pesn.com/2015/08/12/9602649_Keshe-timeline-of-lack-of-success/

Customer receives Keshe Magrav, initial output is same as input
http://pesn.com/2015/11/26/9602695_Customer-receives-Magrav_output-same-as-input/

Keshe, Fraud, Fraud or super-plasma-coated Fraud?
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20313-keshe-fraud-fraud-super-plasma-coated-fraud.html
Keshe Wife Carolina threatens FTW with pedophile associations
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Keshe-Wife-Carolina-threatens-FTW-with-phedophile-associations.pdf
Threat from bogus Keshe legal Dept against FTW
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Threat-from-bogus-Keshe-legal-Dept-against-FTW.docx

Step Three:
Watch this video testimony (4 hours) of eye witness Keshe Whistleblower:

Keshe Whistleblower Sousan Alexander from Hope Moore on Vimeo.
https://vimeo.com/157722744
(the video is also available for download from the site)

Keshe Whistleblower Sousan Alexander
Sousan followed Keshe for years. She invested in the tech. She became a student of the Keshe Institute. She then invested her own money to travel to Italy to see the Keshe operation for herself.
She found a proxy operation and has exposed Keshe as a Fraud. She has come forward to give her testimony to help prevent others from losing hundreds or thousands of dollars on Keshe products that will never arrive and don’t work.
Her testimony took place over 4 youtube videos, mixed in with other conversations.
We have condensed her testimony into one video here to make it easier to follow and hear the information she has to share. The audio is a little shaky in several places, but it clears up shortly.
This is original footage created by “Circle Healing Network”. The links for the original videos can be found on youtube, we have provided them in the description.
This video has been created for educational non-profit, fair use purposes. Our intent is to help disseminate public information and testimony that uncovers fraud and corruption protected under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

Step Four:
Watch this 1 hour testimony from the QEG family.
It covers business practices and personal experiences with Omega Quantum (one of Keshe’s distributors). QEG worked with this group just prior to becoming Keshe distributors, this provides a history of behavior patterns.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oob3oAsM0
Alex/Soheil skype conversation
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Alex-Soheil-from-skype-conversation.docx

Step Five:
Listen to this leaked recorded phone call. It was posted on “anti-Keshe” facebook groups by a disgruntled Ex-Keshe worker.
The conversation is between Soheil, the CEO of Omega Quantum one of the major distributors and manufacturers of Keshe products, and head of Keshe Foundation China.
This call reveals:
• The admission that both parties know that Keshe’s energy products are fake.
• In spite of the fraud both parties still want to make money and get out fast.
• The admission that Keshe never tests his products, and that they know that people are making them on their own.
• The admission that Keshe will collect pre-order money on products that have yet to be developed, tested and manufactured. He then constantly seeks manufacturers to make something fast so that he will have something to send to people even if he knows it won’t work.
• The admission that the disclaimer he makes people sign is an attempt to write off accountability of any kind for sending a bogus product.
• Reveals the sentiment that the governments don’t care.
• Reveals that Keshe does not invent any of his products but rather just takes ideas from others, and then promotes them for pre-order sales without ever developing or testing.
Link to mp3 recorded call:
https://soundcloud.com/user-712692153/soheil-armen-phone-call-recording

Here is a document that shows screen shots that as of 3/4/ 2016 Omega Quantum is still selling Keshe products on their site.
Omega Quantum Still Selling Keshe Producs as of March 3 2016
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Omega-Quantum-Still-Selling-Keshe-Producs-as-of-March-3-2016.pdf

Step 6 What you can do:
If you wish to take action in some way here are a few suggestions.
A) You can write to Keshe asking these specific questions:
• Please provide proof that you refunded all of the money for all of the deposits and pre-orders from customers who purchased from you and never received anything.
• Please provide proof that you have had all charges against you dropped from the Belgium Federal police and that you are no longer wanted for Fraud and Human Experimentation.
• Please provide proof from reputable third party testing that GANS, especially the GANS that you are instructing people to make on their own is safe for humans and has no proven short term or long term deleterious health effects.
• Please provide proof that you have re-established an account in good standing with paypal who shut you down for fraud.
• Please provide proof that you have tested your products by a third reputable party before selling them to unsuspecting customers.

We ask that this proof be published publicly for all to see in a manner that is clear and easy to understand and properly translated into several different languages to make it accessible to all.
If proof is not provided, it can then only be concluded that you are guilty of the above accusations and have knowingly committed theft and fraud on multiple occasions and have also been guilty of conducting experiments on humans and endangering public health and well-being with untested illegal products.

http://prepareforchange.net/2016/03/04/keshe-investigation-by-the-people/

http://www.hopegirlblog.com/keshe-investigation-by-the-people/

That is quite a collection of accusations... like, a lot.. don't have time for the videos yet; I'm still digging through for actual valid data.



We ask that this proof be published publicly for all to see in a manner that is clear and easy to understand and properly translated into several different languages to make it accessible to all.
If proof is not provided, it can then only be concluded that you are guilty of the above accusations and have knowingly committed theft and fraud on multiple occasions and have also been guilty of conducting experiments on humans and endangering public health and well-being with untested illegal products.

Not sure how much I agree with this statement.. I think the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

[Johnny]

Keshe Foundation Testimonials:

https://testimonials.keshefoundation.org/

Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

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[Nick Matkin]

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Some observations.

He spoke of "positive" and "negative". This is meaningless in an AC system. He probably meant live (or line) and neutral. Maybe just a slip of the tongue, but not one somebody familiar with this work is likely to make.

More importantly, does anyone have any idea how easily those power-measuring units respond to power factor errors introduced into an AC circuit by very inductive or capacitive reactive loads - the kind of thing a Magrav unit might introduce? This is not a rhetorical question, it is an engineering question. One I've asked before in this thread and it has still not been answered.

I'd be much happier if these power/voltage/current units were replaced with a purely resistive load and the voltage drop measured across it with and without the Magrav device use. It's suspicious to me that no one has done this yet - as far as I know.

[Aurelius]

Some observations.

He spoke of "positive" and "negative". This is meaningless in an AC system. He probably meant live (or line) and neutral. Maybe just a slip of the tongue, but not one somebody familiar with this work is likely to make.



positive = Mag and negative = Grav. This is abbreviated plasma terminology, it is common knowledge to all those that work with magrav tech, it's the backbone of the tech. Though not everyone that works with this tech understands the underlying principles & concepts, there's a lot of "monkey see - monkey do" occurring.




More importantly, does anyone have any idea how easily those power-measuring units respond to power factor errors introduced into an AC circuit by very inductive or capacitive reactive loads - the kind of thing a Magrav unit might introduce? This is not a rhetorical question, it is an engineering question. One I've asked before in this thread and it has still not been answered.

<snip>



[re-written this response as the original form failed to call out important aspects]

The question you have asked is a valid question, especially in terms of looking at the device through the lenses of traditional electrical theory. However, I have told you many times before in this thread & will say it again, if you look at this tech in the traditional electrical theory methods, you will never understand it. The only place where traditional electrical theory applies is at the point/s where plasma converts to electron vibration. Humorously we refer to this as: "are you still looking for somewhere to put your multi-meter?". If you attempt to disrupt the plasmatic paths with std electrical instrumentation, the device will not work.

The meter (http://www.p3international.com/manuals/p4460_manual.pdf) being used in the video accounts for reactive power (see pp12), however as you can see in the video they are only looking at real power (W) not reactive power (VAR).

It is common knowledge that the "energy source" within the magrav unit, consists of magrav stacker coils (think of them as planets or electrons, they fulfill a similar purpose), coupled together with the reactors in the center of each coil (think of them as a star or nucleus of an atom).

Magrav coils can be used for other purposes, but when utilised in the power supply unit, for this specific "energy source" purpose, the magrav coils are always connected to plasma capacitors in series (though this may change in the future).

So if one wanted to look at the device in traditional electrical theory (which is the wrong way to analyse this tech), one could argue the coils (L), give rise to θ lag, and the capacitors (C), which are in series, would give rise to θ lead. Have you carefully considered the PF calculation and how much reactance is required to go from 1157W to 319W ?

It is common knowledge that the energy device blueprint released last year had to be connected to the house mains AC supply (the grid), this created the gradient for plasma flow (i have called this out on this thread). It is also common knowledge that a further blueprint would be released afterwards (this was announced at least a year ago), where the device would not need to be connected to the grid, it would be a stand alone device, this is what Douglas demonstrated, and the most recent blueprints show how Douglas did it. This most recent device, an extension of the former blueprints, has the plasmatic gradient built into it (I also called this out on this thread, many months before the latest blueprints were released)

It is common knowledge Douglas's device used two refrigerator motors, they are there purely to create a plasmatic gradient. Think of it as a heartbeat, no different to main purpose of the heart in your body or Schumann (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances). This is a universal phenomenon tied to how creation works.

It is also common knowledge that the "heartbeat" as per how Douglas did it with two refrigerator pumps, could easily be embodied in solid state form. The is what the video in post#1023 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1094971&viewfull=1#post1094971) is all about, it is a demonstration of creating a heartbeat between two magrav stacker units. Much akin to an LC tank circuit in std electrical theory, but in a plasmatic form. This will be further simplified and size reduced in time to come.

Jon now needs to go back to the latest blueprints, get rid of the refrigerator motors and put the heartbeat configuration in its place. Then he will have a standalone device, that does not need to be connected to the grid, that doesn't need refrigerator pumps, unless you want to power a refrigerator, on the load side (which will now no longer be integral to the functioning of the device itself).

[Nick Matkin]

Thanks Aurelius. That's a decent answer about power factor, watts and VA in the instruction manual.

I'm still uncomfortable with the idea that this operates on 'non-traditional' electrical theory. OK, I'll say it before anyone else - I'll just have to get over that discomfort!

Nevertheless, Keshe plasma technology has to work with equipment that does work on traditional theory. They both must be compatible - and on the face of it the video in #1023 appears to confirm that. But there is a lot of scope for pulling the wool over people's eyes. It's too easy to make things look convincing to someone with little or no technical knowledge.

But how many experimenters have even heard of AC power factors for instance - let alone measured it in their Keshe system?

Neither am I convinced that test instruments 'disrupt plasmatic paths'. How do these plasmatic paths know the difference between a very high impedance voltmeter or or a very low resistance ammeter? Especially if these devices make up part of the load? How does it 'know' it being 'watched'?

[Kimberley]

Greetings to my friends and family :-)

I am not following this thread, just read this last page...

Although I have been following Keshe for several years now...I interviewed him Early December 2012

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I still hear people asking for "proof"...a "demonstration"...well here it is...posted on the Keshe YouTube channel August 13, 2016.

There may be other videos from earlier, however this one "proves" it for me anyway...

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Much love, health, joy, peace, and fun to us all in all ways!!! :heart::Party::peace:

[Nick Matkin]

Further thought on the above following a shower...!

If I understand correctly, Magrav coils and capacitors introduce θ degrees phase shift between voltage and current. If that can be demonstrated then they cannot be coils or capacitors. Consider a DC pulse of voltage/current into a capacitor: initially there in no voltage but maximum current, cunnent ceases and voltage is max. That's how a capacitor (C) works; it's discharged and becomes charged. How else would a capacitor work? And it's the reverse for an inductor (L).

If you put them in series or parallel of appropriate vales at the right frequency these phase differences cancel out and you get a purely resistive circuit at resonance, a concept that is held in such high regard in these circles. But Keshe Ls and Cs don't look to be resonating at mains frequency - if that is relevant

(Sorry, just trying to reason this through with real physics.)

Thought experiment:

I have a washing machine operating via a magrav device. On this machine there is a panel showing spin speed, water temperature, amount of water used, mains voltage, mains current and power consumption.

Is anyone suggesting that as soon as I look at the V/A/W readings it starts drawing the expected power and not the Keshe reduced power because the plasmatic paths are disrupted? What if I just disable those readings? Does it go back to drawing magrav reduced power?

[Johnny]

Here is the last new version of the magrav power generator, which not yet is explained. There are 3 different kind of capacitors, which also will be explained in the near future.


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Johnny :)

[Aurelius]

lovely people, doing lovely things, some really good discussion and innovative ideas here and there:

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just to re-iterate what has become common knowledge, try to stay away from LEAD GANS, it literally sucks the energy out of your body, there are other elements that are more suitable for Grav biasing.

[Sequoia]

There will never be "proof" enough until the devises are in the hands of the masses (literally), today's people are used to instant gratification without any understudying how things work in nature and what makes it all go around and around.
In 20 years no one will even remember how dangerous it was once upon a time to bring the awareness of "free energy idea" to the masses, the incredulous comments, the ridicule, and of course, the healthy banter over over-unity technology...

[Nick Matkin]

There will never be "proof" enough until the devises are in the hands of the masses (literally), today's people are used to instant gratification without any understudying how things work in nature and what makes it all go around and around.
In 20 years no one will even remember how dangerous it was once upon a time to bring the awareness of "free energy idea" to the masses, the incredulous comments, the ridicule, and of course, the healthy banter over over-unity technology...

You are in possession of a working device I guess?

[Aurelius]

[re-written this response as the original form failed to call out important aspects]




The question you have asked is a valid question, especially in terms of looking at the device through the lenses of traditional electrical theory. However, I have told you many times before in this thread & will say it again, if you look at this tech in the traditional electrical theory methods, you will never understand it. The only place where traditional electrical theory applies is at the point/s where plasma converts to electron vibration. Humorously we refer to this as: "are you still looking for somewhere to put your multi-meter?". If you attempt to disrupt the plasmatic paths with std electrical instrumentation, the device will not work.

The meter (http://www.p3international.com/manuals/p4460_manual.pdf) being used in the video accounts for reactive power (see pp12), however as you can see in the video they are only looking at real power (W) not reactive power (VAR).

It is common knowledge that the "energy source" within the magrav unit, consists of magrav stacker coils (think of them as planets or electrons, they fulfill a similar purpose), coupled together with the reactors in the center of each coil (think of them as a star or nucleus of an atom).

Magrav coils can be used for other purposes, but when utilised in the power supply unit, for this specific "energy source" purpose, the magrav coils are always connected to plasma capacitors in series (though this may change in the future).

So if one wanted to look at the device in traditional electrical theory (which is the wrong way to analyse this tech), one could argue the coils (L), give rise to θ lag, and the capacitors (C), which are in series, would give rise to θ lead. Have you carefully considered the PF calculation and how much reactance is required to go from 1157W to 319W ?

It is common knowledge that the energy device blueprint released last year had to be connected to the house mains AC supply (the grid), this created the gradient for plasma flow (i have called this out on this thread). It is also common knowledge that a further blueprint would be released afterwards (this was announced at least a year ago), where the device would not need to be connected to the grid, it would be a stand alone device, this is what Douglas demonstrated, and the most recent blueprints show how Douglas did it. This most recent device, an extension of the former blueprints, has the plasmatic gradient built into it (I also called this out on this thread, many months before the latest blueprints were released)

It is common knowledge Douglas's device used two refrigerator motors, they are there purely to create a plasmatic gradient. Think of it as a heartbeat, no different to main purpose of the heart in your body or Schumann (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances). This is a universal phenomenon tied to how creation works.

It is also common knowledge that the "heartbeat" as per how Douglas did it with two refrigerator pumps, could easily be embodied in solid state form. The is what the video in post#1023 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcements&p=1094971&viewfull=1#post1094971) is all about, it is a demonstration of creating a heartbeat between two magrav stacker units. Much akin to an LC tank circuit in std electrical theory, but in a plasmatic form. This will be further simplified and size reduced in time to come.

Jon now needs to go back to the latest blueprints, get rid of the refrigerator motors and put the heartbeat configuration in its place. Then he will have a standalone device, that does not need to be connected to the grid, that doesn't need refrigerator pumps, unless you want to power a refrigerator, on the load side (which will now no longer be integral to the functioning of the device itself).

[TargeT]

There will never be "proof" enough until the devises are in the hands of the masses (literally), today's people are used to instant gratification without any understudying how things work in nature and what makes it all go around and around.
In 20 years no one will even remember how dangerous it was once upon a time to bring the awareness of "free energy idea" to the masses, the incredulous comments, the ridicule, and of course, the healthy banter over over-unity technology...

There will never be proof untill the devices can actually demonstrably do something... there have been 10000's of scams just like this one & they all follow the same path... a working device is NEVER shown; because it doesn't exist.

Every example shown on this thread so far is unacceptable, it's just way too easy to fake this stuff (and it's been done, over and over..).

so until some actual standards are adhered to this debate will be very one sided (and I'm sorry, your faith in a product you've never seen first hand does not make your debate tactics any better).


Just an "FYI" those "two refrigerator motors" could also easily be two large chemical batteries.



It is also common knowledge

It's also common knowledge (I'd say a fair bit more common than the 5 items you described as "common knowledge") that the Keshe Foundation and all it's claims are a scam... does that make it true?




It is common knowledge Douglas's device used two refrigerator motors, they are there purely to create a plasmatic gradient. Think of it as a heartbeat, no different to main purpose of the heart in your body or Schumann . This is a universal phenomenon tied to how creation works.

The main purpose of a heartbeat is to pump fluid in and out of various organs for processing.. the main purpose of the Schumann resonance is nothing as it's a by product of our atmosphere & fluctuates with the thickness of the ionosphere.. it doesn't have a purpose & is simply an environmental phenomenon that we have grown custom to.

I figured that was "common knowledge"

Apparently common knowledge cannot be counted on to clear this up... we'll have to fall back to more "commonly" used: Science, Logic & Critical Thinking to find what's really going on.

[mkscarola]

There will never be proof untill the devices can actually demonstrably do something... there have been 10000's of scams just like this one & they all follow the same path... a working device is NEVER shown; because it doesn't exist.


The main purpose of a heartbeat is to pump fluid in and out of various organs for processing.. the main purpose of the Schumann resonance is nothing as it's a by product of our atmosphere & fluctuates with the thickness of the ionosphere.. it doesn't have a purpose & is simply an environmental phenomenon that we have grown custom to.




There has been scams involving this technology...there have also been real working technologies. For example, the Moray Valve or the fuel-less motor that Lester Hendershot developed for Lindenburgh's flight. There have been demonstrations of this technology working, again lookup T. Henry Moray, but the technologies were destroyed for malicious reasons (You can't make a profit off something that is free). Moray based his machine off of one of Tesla's inventions... I would hope that you realize the credibility of that.

As for your comment on the heart...just take two seconds and lookup the HeartMath Institute. The heart is much more than just an organ used for pumping blood....you sound like those people that say consciousness is an emergent property of the brain *face palm* You don't know that the Schumann resonance is 'nothing'.




I figured that was "common knowledge"


and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

[ThePythonicCow]

I figured that was "common knowledge"


and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

TargeT stated something of his own thoughts, regarding the topic at hand.

You called TargeT rude and condescending.

:focus:

[Daozen]

and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

This is the field of energy production. It's not meditation. Claimants are required to have a working prototype, not just a shaky cam video of an ohmeter and a grinning cultist.

Lots of crybullying on this thread. A lot of Keshe supporters pretending to be the aggrevied victim. From my point of view, you guys are distracting from viable solar and hand cranked initiatives in the developing world. You are suggesting people drink dangerous Ganz water, and guiding people to perform potentially fatal experiments with mains electricity. You are also supporting a man who took donations for a space flight, when he couldn't (and still can't) light an LED with his technology. So who is on the attack here?

There's an awakening going on in the field of home energy. Keshe is one of the dragnets.

If any of you were remotely sincere, we could turn this into a round table on viable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< energy devices. But all you ever want to do is hype your Messiah.

From my point of view, *you* are the aggressor. Your poor-me-hurt-victim act does nothing to hide it.

[TargeT]

and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

I have installed 30 solar panels, 2 charge converters, 2 inverts, 2 battery controllers and 10 48v batteries on my house, myself; after self educating. I had to not only learn about AC and DC (solar panels produce DC power, which charges my batteries through the charge controllers, which then gets inverted (from DC to AC) to run my house, there's some more complicated additions as well, but that's the basics)but also about faulty wiring systems, grounding, bad neutrals and all sorts of other "fun" topics.)

I've worked in telecommunications (sending electricity through wires, or light through fiber to communicate) for 17 years professionally.

I'm NO WHERE NEAR as "qualified" to comment on this topic as some who have before....

I have looked into this topic (Keshe) since 2012..... I will completely commit (at this point, with current evidence submitted) that Keshe technology is false on many levels and is leveraging genuine hopes by honest caring people do disastrous distraction.

If you feel I am being rude then I hope this clears it up.

I am not attempting to be rude, I am attempting to clearly show the reader (anyone) that this technology is false, in every way... and I will continue to do so untill something is presented to show me otherwise (at which point I will GLADLY be Keshe's main cheer leader..I support this concept fully. I DO NOT support deceiving people, for any reason.)

[ThePythonicCow]

I DO NOT support deceiving people, for any reason.)

:thumb: .

[jaybee]

and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha


you might like the Face Book group 'Golden Age of GANS' - lots of creativity and sharing there - - - mostly without the politics -

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GoldenAgeofGans/

wishing you all the best with your research and experimenting - - :flower:

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[jaybee]

There will never be "proof" enough until the devises are in the hands of the masses (literally), today's people are used to instant gratification without any understudying how things work in nature and what makes it all go around and around.
In 20 years no one will even remember how dangerous it was once upon a time to bring the awareness of "free energy idea" to the masses, the incredulous comments, the ridicule, and of course, the healthy banter over over-unity technology...


This is what I think might be happening regarding the ''devices in the hands of the masses'' thing --

I think that MT Keshe is fully aware of the effects that his technology could have on the political and economic landscape - and he (Keshe) is the last one who wants to bring about suffering and misery due to social and economic breakdown - the Keshe Foundation is broadly about Service and Sharing to bring about improvement in people's lives -

So I think he is working on the 'Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day - teach a man to fish and he will be able to feed himself for the rest of his life' - kind of thing -

So he is bringing the 'general population' up to speed in a gradual way so that adjustments can be made without damage being done to the fibre of society - but I think that in the private teachings they are further along - and that the intelligence and creativity being contributed by the '''group'' is all a part of the 'evolution' --

Keshe says that the Keshe Foundation isn't revolutionary but evolutionary :)


At the moment there is still a margin for plausible deniability - because of the real dangers that circle around the whole issue of Free Energy from the (corrupt) Political Establishment and Power Structures - who aren't going to go down without a fight -

I think this is how MT Keshe is working - IMO - to gradually put the devices 'in the hands of the masses' -

It's a huge project -

cheers

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[jaybee]

<snip>

just watched this video from the same channel that posted the Gold Reactor. This guy is using a wheel which spins when it comes into contact plasma fields. It made me wonder, could these plasma fields be the 'life force' that metaphysical and religious texts talk about?

there is definitely something strange about the Egely device. i have monitored one in my lab on and off for the past 6 months. most times you can interact with it quite easily. it does appear to interact with the plasmatic fields. i have looked for info directly from Egely himself, detailing how he believes the device works. have you seen this (https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/36847810/this-is-the-1st-of-clark-letter-compilations-uduchowieni/4) before? lot's of nuggets in there, fish out the important ones. a simple experiment you can perform on page 103 or 139. you might also enjoy this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91934-Russian-Scientists-Announce-Historic-Discovery&p=1082857&viewfull=1#post1082857) (Egely himself in action)

you are correct, new instrumentation is required to detect plasmatic fields. i once spoke to pete peterson about this, he felt radionics (in its original form) was the way to go & kept emphasizing the strange hyper-dimensional properties of melanin* (his term not mine. i would use the term field strength instead).
personally i plan to build a strange set of eyeglasses soon, where i can swap-out various lenses (plasmatic filters) and see what success i get. hopefully soon we will see some developments on this front, in terms of new instrumentation.

regarding your last sentence, absolutely!. re-examining Reich's work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pllRW9wETzw), but from a plasmatic perspective is an interesting exercise.


Re the reference to Reich's work --- thinking about the organic / non organic layers of the Orgone Accumulator - i wonder how that would be with the organic layers being coated / painted with GANS and the non organic being a nano coated mesh of some kind - :idea: - just thinking aloud -

and a capacitor in the position of the Kings Chamber if the accumulator was pyramid shaped -

I think it's fascinating that the Ark of the Covenant is a neat fit for the sarcophagus in the Kings Chamber in the Great Pyramid of Giza - and I've seen an old picture (somewhere) that at one time there was some fine white powder in the Kings Chamber in the nooks and crannies of the sarcophagus and surrounds - before it all got cleared up --- there may have been more than one ark and they got charged in the pyramid before being taken to where needed to disperse energy ? - like avenues of standing stones around the landscape ? in some places or perhaps other mediums in other places -- but I digress ( a little bit) :) it was the thought about using GANS and nano coated material in a layered accumulator that started this speculation -


good luck with the eyeglasses :thumb:


ps still on the Ark of the Covenant - I remember there is a mention in the Old Testament somewhere about there being a (smaller) Ark in a house and maybe this was part of a wireless transmission of energy coming from a 'master' Ark and picked up by smaller ones in peoples houses / communities - which kind of reminds me of the way Keshe Tech might go one day --- ??? --- and how Tesla's might have ~



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[mkscarola]

and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

I have installed 30 solar panels, 2 charge converters, 2 inverts, 2 battery controllers and 10 48v batteries on my house, myself; after self educating. I had to not only learn about AC and DC (solar panels produce DC power, which charges my batteries through the charge controllers, which then gets inverted (from DC to AC) to run my house, there's some more complicated additions as well, but that's the basics)but also about faulty wiring systems, grounding, bad neutrals and all sorts of other "fun" topics.)

I've worked in telecommunications (sending electricity through wires, or light through fiber to communicate) for 17 years professionally.

I'm NO WHERE NEAR as "qualified" to comment on this topic as some who have before....

I have looked into this topic (Keshe) since 2012..... I will completely commit (at this point, with current evidence submitted) that Keshe technology is false on many levels and is leveraging genuine hopes by honest caring people do disastrous distraction.

If you feel I am being rude then I hope this clears it up.

I am not attempting to be rude, I am attempting to clearly show the reader (anyone) that this technology is false, in every way... and I will continue to do so untill something is presented to show me otherwise (at which point I will GLADLY be Keshe's main cheer leader..I support this concept fully. I DO NOT support deceiving people, for any reason.)

Yeah I feel you man, to be honest I know that none of these videos REALLY prove that Keshe's technology is legit, but you also cannot prove that it is not legit. That is unless you have honestly tried to build one. All I am saying is that taking such a definitive standpoint right now is not something that you can do, so why try and stop a discussion that could be beneficial (even if the technology does not work). I think that a lot of the points Keshe brings up about nano coating or GANs can be valuable. He states that you are working with single atoms, which I find interesting because in order to access truly Free Energy (aside from the cost of the machine)..you would need to be accessing Zero Point Energy http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/zeropointenergy-11.24.00.htm... so he wasn't wrong when he stated that we would be dealing with single atoms. Plasma (which Keshe supposedly runs his technology on) is also electromagnetic... Just like the Zero Point Field. So I think his machine is an interesting concept even if it doesn't work and I value the inspiration that he has given me regardless.

[mkscarola]

and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

This is the field of energy production. It's not meditation. Claimants are required to have a working prototype, not just a shaky cam video of an ohmeter and a grinning cultist.

Lots of crybullying on this thread. A lot of Keshe supporters pretending to be the aggrevied victim. From my point of view, you guys are distracting from viable solar and hand cranked initiatives in the developing world. You are suggesting people drink dangerous Ganz water, and guiding people to perform potentially fatal experiments with mains electricity. You are also supporting a man who took donations for a space flight, when he couldn't (and still can't) light an LED with his technology. So who is on the attack here?

There's an awakening going on in the field of home energy. Keshe is one of the dragnets.

If any of you were remotely sincere, we could turn this into a round table on viable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< energy devices. But all you ever want to do is hype your Messiah.

From my point of view, *you* are the aggressor. Your poor-me-hurt-victim act does nothing to hide it.

Ok not sure why you are knocking meditation, but anyway... never said any of the above (so again not really sure why your throwing that at me). I am strictly talking about Free Energy here. That is all I care about. As you can see from my last comment I believe his Magrav is something worth looking at. You can't definitively claim his machine doesn't work... If you do than send me a video of one you have built and show me that it doesn't work.

[mkscarola]

TargeT stated something of his own thoughts, regarding the topic at hand.

You called TargeT rude and condescending.

:focus:

Facts everyone should be able to state their own thoughts, but he didn't need to be so conclusive about it is my point here. No one on this forum can make a definite claim (which TargeT did) unless they have the built machine themselves. Simple as that. Otherwise, I appreciate the skeptical input.

[Aurelius]

for those that understand, this is probably the most significant knowledge ever released (approx 17m - 1hr50m & 2hr37m - 3hr13m):

yUE4MhJkaKc

[TargeT]

for those that understand, this is probably the most significant knowledge ever released:


Thats your summary for a 3.5 hour video?

how many people exactly do you think will commit 3.5 hours with that much information to go on?

could we get maybe a LITTLE bit of info (usually refereed to as a summary)?

The video (with it's TERRIBLE description) did better than you with:

Streamed live on Nov 3, 2016
Mr Keshe with more spaceship secrets!

[Johnny]

:bigsmile::bigsmile: AND to day there will be a new one: The 145th Knowledge Seekers Workshop will be Thursday November 10th, 2016 at 9 am CEST, (12 am Pacific time)

Maybe it will be about 4-5 hours to day :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

[Johnny]

for those that understand, this is probably the most significant knowledge ever released (approx 17m - 1hr50m & 2hr37m - 3hr13m):

yUE4MhJkaKc

Also important from 2:27 to 2:31, Keshe foundation will not allow things to be shown in the workshops, which do not work for everybody, so they want a blueprint so they can recreate it, before it is shown !!!

Johnny :)

[Snoweagle]

Thought some people may be interested in this.

Some important concepts here.

(As an aside I hear Keshe is now teaching in Africa. Just sayin . . . )

[Olaf]

The C's state: Keshe is a fraud

Excerpt from the latest conversation with the Cassiopaians by Laura Knight-Jadczyk and her group, session 10 December 2016 (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=43250.0)

A = answer by the C's, received via Ouija board


Q: (L) Let me ask a quick question about this other thing on my mind... There is a gentleman who is a member of our group and who posts on our forum who is seemingly obsessed with some kind of free energy thing? Is that what it is, Data?

(Data) Yes, Keshe technology.

(L) And can you explain it for the readers?

(Data) These are various devices that claim to produce energy without input. So the question is: Do these devices indeed produce energy that has not been input?

A: No.

Q: (Data) Apart from that, it's claimed that these devices make electrical energy more friendly for humans or nature. Is that correct?

A: No

Q: (L) Is it a scam?

A: Yes

Q: (Data) I have an additional question. There are many people watching these videos and replicating these machines. What is this fascination that's created by this technology that so many people have fallen for it? Why is that?

A: Programming partly.

Q: (L) So, it's part of their programming?

A: Yes

Q: (L) They are fascinated by things that are supposedly illegal, or suppressed, or revolutionary, or they think that they're gonna save lots of money or make lots of money, or have a miracle cure or something like that? They're taken in by these schpiels?

(Pierre) It's a very powerful attraction, this Keshe thing. Ultimately, what it is offering is unlimited power. It's a strong archetype.

(L) It's the attraction of power?

(Pierre) Free, unlimited power.

(L) Yeah.

(Pierre) Even in the media in our culture, you see this praise for power, and people resonate with that.

(L) Whether they understand it or not, it's about power?

A: Yes

[Nick Matkin]

Is there any evidence this works, if so how much evidence and where can I find it?

I'm particularly interested in the broken bones, brain and head injury cures.

Thanks.



Thought some people may be interested in this.

Some important concepts here.

(As an aside I hear Keshe is now teaching in Africa. Just sayin . . . )

[Aurelius]

... with the recent US presidential elections we saw propaganda generated, particularly on the internet, to a degree we've never seen before. most of this was false information. this was all funded, however, what was interesting was to see was just how much additional** nonsense / rubbish information people generated on their own steam. i guess this is a payoff that is well understood by those that deal in these matters (information warfare).

there are many parallels with the above and the so called free-energy movement. the difference being the free-energy movement has been a victim of this behavior for much longer.

once i satisfied myself that Keshe tech was good (this took a few yrs), i decided to start this thread, i was aware of all the issues described in the first two paragraphs & i saw the thread as being a potential hopeless task. but i was prepared to give it the benefit of doubt. the value of the knowledge was too important to not share with others. it might just work, after all the Avalon community is awake and aware right?

i knew the status-quo of "scientific belief systems" was going to be the biggest challenge for those looking into Keshe tech. this applies to other related technologies as well. how and why things work have to be looked at / explained differently. it is a super-set of our current understanding, not a subset.

within this thread we often refer to "where would you like to put your multi-meter probes", this is humour, as plasma cannot be measured with traditional methods, step (1) below explains why. so whenever this is referred to (particularly the context), it exposes the degree of the lack of understanding / effort.

i decided to adopt a 4 step approach with this thread:

1. encourage people to understand the theory, one won't progress without this - whether one agrees with it or not isn't important at this stage
2. encourage people to experiment - NOT to depend on the findings / results of others (refer to the first two paragraphs of this email)
3. be there to support the experimental findings / results / techniques <----- this is where i've positioned myself, I've been waiting here for a long time, no one came knocking!
4. off they go applying the new knowledge / techniques to other / greater things

other than 1 to 1 interaction, on a forum like this i cannot see how else one can get to 4, without going through 1, 2, 3.

after 1052 posts in this thread, i estimate less than 2% of the posts are intelligent, sensible, genuinely wanting to seek the understanding regarding Keshe technology.

in summary, to date: no evidence of (1), little evidence of (2), less than a handful of (3), only two instances that i'm aware of for (4).

ps. at least 3 yrs ago, it was forecast by Mr Keshe himself, for logical & valid reasons, 1st world nations would have the hardest time understanding & adopting this tech, but 3rd world nations would get it & would lap-it-up (ie. malaysia, s america, africa etc. as well as china). this has absolutely been the case.

i think it is time this thread was closed and archived as an interesting experiment, with an interesting outcome.

MODS pls can we close this thread?




The C's state: Keshe is a fraud

Excerpt from the latest conversation with the Cassiopaians by Laura Knight-Jadczyk and her group, session 10 December 2016 (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=43250.0)

A = answer by the C's, received via Ouija board


Q: (L) Let me ask a quick question about this other thing on my mind... There is a gentleman who is a member of our group and who posts on our forum who is seemingly obsessed with some kind of free energy thing? Is that what it is, Data?

(Data) Yes, Keshe technology.

(L) And can you explain it for the readers?

(Data) These are various devices that claim to produce energy without input. So the question is: Do these devices indeed produce energy that has not been input?

A: No.

Q: (Data) Apart from that, it's claimed that these devices make electrical energy more friendly for humans or nature. Is that correct?

A: No

Q: (L) Is it a scam?

A: Yes

Q: (Data) I have an additional question. There are many people watching these videos and replicating these machines. What is this fascination that's created by this technology that so many people have fallen for it? Why is that?

A: Programming partly.

Q: (L) So, it's part of their programming?

A: Yes

Q: (L) They are fascinated by things that are supposedly illegal, or suppressed, or revolutionary, or they think that they're gonna save lots of money or make lots of money, or have a miracle cure or something like that? They're taken in by these schpiels?

(Pierre) It's a very powerful attraction, this Keshe thing. Ultimately, what it is offering is unlimited power. It's a strong archetype.

(L) It's the attraction of power?

(Pierre) Free, unlimited power.

(L) Yeah.

(Pierre) Even in the media in our culture, you see this praise for power, and people resonate with that.

(L) Whether they understand it or not, it's about power?

A: Yes

response to this post is in red text above.



Is there any evidence this works, if so how much evidence and where can I find it?

I'm particularly interested in the broken bones, brain and head injury cures.

Thanks.



Thought some people may be interested in this.

Some important concepts here.

(As an aside I hear Keshe is now teaching in Africa. Just sayin . . . )

response to this post in purple text above

[Nick Matkin]

So if my brother gets knocked off his bike again and breaks his shoulder-blade and suffers another head injury, would it be better to experiment - NOT to depend on the findings / results of others i.e. take GANS and apply Plasmatic Fist Aid, or take him to hospital?

What would you do, bearing in mind the wrong decision would very likely have catastrophic consequences?

[Aurelius]

So if my brother gets knocked off his bike again and breaks his shoulder-blade and suffers another head injury, would it be better to experiment - NOT to depend on the findings / results of others i.e. take GANS and apply Plasmatic Fist Aid, or take him to hospital?

What would you do, bearing in mind the wrong decision would very likely have catastrophic consequences?

as they say, you need to walk before you can run, here is one possible approach, in order to build up knowledge / experience using any tech, identify a medical case, including pets, something not serious (ie. involving pain) or something more serious where the end is near (ie. no funds for treatment, mainstream has been unsuccessful), apply your knowledge & techniques, you'll soon understand what worked, what didn't work, what works repeatedly, what tweaks worked, patterns etc. ... slowly you become an expert.

... in the beginning i was always looking for an opportunity to help an animal (i still do) & also test my understanding.

a strange thing i discovered, i didn't expect this, quite a few examples, even when someone has nothing to loose ie. someone's hamster is ill, dog is dying etc. they don't want any help, they are happy with the dead-end trajectory.

some success examples - limping chickens treated with co2 gans water. stomach ulcers co2 gans water. baldness to hair growth co2 gans water. a friend many cases of pain removal (mostly instantaneous & permanent). beyond this refer to the testimonies on the Keshe site, hundreds if not thousands there.

some failures that come to mind - hamsters with pain pad (magnetic version)

[jaybee]

... with the recent US presidential elections we saw propaganda generated, particularly on the internet, to a degree we've never seen before. most of this was false information. this was all funded, however, what was interesting was to see was just how much additional** nonsense / rubbish information people generated on their own steam. i guess this is a payoff that is well understood by those that deal in these matters (information warfare).

there are many parallels with the above and the so called free-energy movement. the difference being the free-energy movement has been a victim of this behavior for much longer.

once i satisfied myself that Keshe tech was good (this took a few yrs), i decided to start this thread, i was aware of all the issues described in the first two paragraphs & i saw the thread as being a potential hopeless task. but i was prepared to give it the benefit of doubt. the value of the knowledge was too important to not share with others. it might just work, after all the Avalon community is awake and aware right?

i knew the status-quo of "scientific belief systems" was going to be the biggest challenge for those looking into Keshe tech. this applies to other related technologies as well. how and why things work have to be looked at / explained differently. it is a super-set of our current understanding, not a subset.

within this thread we often refer to "where would you like to put your multi-meter probes", this is humour, as plasma cannot be measured with traditional methods, step (1) below explains why. so whenever this is referred to (particularly the context), it exposes the degree of the lack of understanding / effort.

i decided to adopt a 4 step approach with this thread:

1. encourage people to understand the theory, one won't progress without this - whether one agrees with it or not isn't important at this stage
2. encourage people to experiment - NOT to depend on the findings / results of others (refer to the first two paragraphs of this email)
3. be there to support the experimental findings / results / techniques <----- this is where i've positioned myself, I've been waiting here for a long time, no one came knocking!
4. off they go applying the new knowledge / techniques to other / greater things

other than 1 to 1 interaction, on a forum like this i cannot see how else one can get to 4, without going through 1, 2, 3.

after 1052 posts in this thread, i estimate less than 2% of the posts are intelligent, sensible, genuinely wanting to seek the understanding regarding Keshe technology.

in summary, to date: no evidence of (1), little evidence of (2), less than a handful of (3), only two instances that i'm aware of for (4).

ps. at least 3 yrs ago, it was forecast by Mr Keshe himself, for logical & valid reasons, 1st world nations would have the hardest time understanding & adopting this tech, but 3rd world nations would get it & would lap-it-up (ie. malaysia, s america, africa etc. as well as china). this has absolutely been the case.

i think it is time this thread was closed and archived as an interesting experiment, with an interesting outcome.




hiya Aurelius ---

I wanted to respond to this in case the thread gets closed / archived..

I can understand that you're....disappointed....?...annoyed..? or something like that - but there is still a lot of info in the thread that can spark off interest in people who may never have even joined the forum and just viewed as guest --

for myself I'm grateful to you for starting this thread and although I'm having a 'quiet' period regarding the technology and any experimenting - I still feel that I'm absorbing info and building on the basic knowledge when I listen to the Knowledge Seekers Workshops - and look on the Golden Age of GANS FB page -



One thing I have to say is when you remarked above --- " once i satisfied myself that Keshe tech was good (this took a few yrs), " .....

well --- it took you a few years and this thread has only been going for a year and a half and you are obviously a dynamic guy who can take a leadership role -- so perhaps those of us who are a bit part time or in my case at the moment a bit haphazard :) --- might need longer than a year and a half -
Mr Keshe has been at it for 40 years and the whole thing is such a different kind of tech concept that under the circumstances I think it's spreading quite well ---

naysayers have always been present in the thread but I think this is to be expected because of the nature of it all ... even Bill Ryan and Paul think Keshe is a scammer - :) so all in all I can understand why you are pissed off with it -

Remember - it took you years to be satisfied and really 'get it' --- and I think I have heard you say that you have a laboratory -

IMO I think there is going to be an organic growth with it all -



As I'm here and I may not get another chance to say this in the thread - you started your post talking about the American Election - there has been something about this that has bothered me a bit ---

before it all really got going I remember Keshe speaking about the time he was imprisoned in Canada and that Hillary Clinton had signed something to allow it to happen and he said --- something along the lines of ---- 'so Hillary Clinton will not be the next president' -----

Then when the election was really building up he said that Clinton was the choice of the elite and it seemed that he was putting his support with her..?

Personally I was totally against Clinton being president because of her warmongering towards Russia - I know I didn't have a vote because I'm in the UK but who became president is going to affect us all -

perhaps Mr Keshe thought that Russia could defend itself and it wouldn't escalate into World War --- I mean we do have the Donald Cook incident --

anyway -- that's all for now -- I felt the need to make a post when I saw what you had written

I am VERY pleased you started this thread and kept it jogging along with info and videos etc... (edit to add --- even though I haven't participated in it for a while)

cheers



.

[jaybee]

So if my brother gets knocked off his bike again and breaks his shoulder-blade and suffers another head injury, would it be better to experiment - NOT to depend on the findings / results of others i.e. take GANS and apply Plasmatic Fist Aid, or take him to hospital?

What would you do, bearing in mind the wrong decision would very likely have catastrophic consequences?

as they say, you need to walk before you can run, here is one possible approach, in order to build up knowledge / experience using any tech, identify a medical case, including pets, something not serious (ie. involving pain) or something more serious where the end is near (ie. no funds for treatment, mainstream has been unsuccessful), apply your knowledge & techniques, you'll soon understand what worked, what didn't work, what works repeatedly, what tweaks worked, patterns etc. ... slowly you become an expert.

... in the beginning i was always looking for an opportunity to help an animal (i still do) & also test my understanding.

a strange thing i discovered, i didn't expect this, quite a few examples, even when someone has nothing to loose ie. someone's hamster is ill, dog is dying etc. they don't want any help, they are happy with the dead-end trajectory.

some success examples - limping chickens treated with co2 gans water. stomach ulcers co2 gans water. baldness to hair growth co2 gans water. a friend many cases of pain removal (mostly instantaneous & permanent). beyond this refer to the testimonies on the Keshe site, hundreds if not thousands there.

some failures that come to mind - hamsters with pain pad (magnetic version)

I love this post --- limping chickens... hamsters.... :)

and the 'baldness to hair growth' --- you would think this would be of great interest to many men -- I mean what have they got to lose - they've already lost it (the hair lol) and unless they thought it would make their head drop off or give them fatal brain damage --- why wouldn't they want to give it a try ? - hair restoring is a multi million pound industry and I'm not sure that anyone has really cracked it -- even the super rich Elton John had hair transplant, (I think) and not hair restoration -

[Johnny]

..........
after 1052 posts in this thread, i estimate less than 2% of the posts are intelligent, sensible, genuinely wanting to seek the understanding regarding Keshe technology.

i think it is time this thread was closed and archived as an interesting experiment, with an interesting outcome.

MODS pls can we close this thread?



Her is the top 7 posters:

Total Posts 1,057

Who Posted?

Posts 198 jaybee

Posts 160 Johnny

Posts 127 Aurelius

Posts 88 Nick Matkin

Posts 76 TargeT

Posts 59 aranuk

Posts 47 Erich

And it is looong time since aranuk and Erich has made any post here.

Aurelius, it is your thread so you decide of course if it shall be closed or not, but I will vote against it :)

For me it has been a very inspiring thread and I have also learned a lot of the 'nay sayers, as I use to say: 'If you can not learn from an fool, then you are not able to learn at all', NOT saying that all the nay' sayers are fools.

Johnny :)

edit:

I guess you feel like this goalkeeper:


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[Johnny]

.........

and the 'baldness to hair growth' --- you would think this would be of great interest to many men -- I mean what have they got to lose - they've already lost it (the hair lol) -

Young Lady, that was not funny at all :bigsmile: not that I'm bald, but just a little thin at the top.

Johnny :)

[Snoweagle]

I believe this thread should stay open.

I quite agree with the contempt of the OP regarding the participation of others in this emerging science. I too now know how and why it works.

Personally, I find the debate here debasing and not worthy of scientific consideration. Born of ignorance.
When I joined this thread I didn't know who Keshe was. Nor his work.

So I did my own research. Very little was available other than those monster videos which I have difficulty sitting through, so I did it the hard way. As the designs appeared and experimenters discussed their problems I would investigate and build from the information available.

I am confident with no other access to any more science I am able to design, fabricate, build and operate the Keshe principle. As a result, I am able to further this principle by applying to other real world needs. Just as Keshe claims. And he is correct.

So why would I want this thread to stay open?
I want this thread to stay open to drive home to the nay sayers, the disbelievers and the trolls that the world of science is corrupt and they are nothing more than advocates of the corruption and they are blind to their own foolishness.
I want to come here and see the revelation of eventual acceptance that they were wrong. And then I will skewer them with "I told you so"

So I do strongly recommend this thread staying open. Allow those that squirm to wriggle their dissent, until one day they have to purchase these devices and others, from a fourth world emerging technological country.

I do thank you Aurelius for your due diligence and your few supporters here for holding the line. Thank you for being amazing.

The funniest thing of all and it cracks me up every time I think of it: there is amongst us a strong regular dissenter to this project who claims he is a broadcast engineer and he is unable to fathom the principles for himself__________roflmao

Come on Aurelius, do me just this one favour, please keep this thread open until the shipments arrive in the West:-)

[TargeT]

I believe this thread should stay open.

I quite agree with the contempt of the OP regarding the participation of others in this emerging science. I too now know how and why it works.

Can you explain it perhaps? There have been several requests for an explanation from someone that understands it.


Personally, I find the debate here debasing and not worthy of scientific consideration. Born of ignorance.

Yea, that's sort of the whole point of debate, to alleviate the ignorance & refine a topic; distill it to it's core facts and truths. ;)


So I did my own research. Very little was available other than those monster videos which I have difficulty sitting through, so I did it the hard way. As the designs appeared and experimenters discussed their problems I would investigate and build from the information available.

I am confident with no other access to any more science I am able to design, fabricate, build and operate the Keshe principle. As a result, I am able to further this principle by applying to other real world needs. Just as Keshe claims. And he is correct.

So you have built a device?


So why would I want this thread to stay open?
I want this thread to stay open to drive home to the nay sayers, the disbelievers and the trolls that the world of science is corrupt and they are nothing more than advocates of the corruption and they are blind to their own foolishness.

Certainly at some level this is true, but a lot of "the world of science" is the best we can come up with.


I want to come here and see the revelation of eventual acceptance that they were wrong. And then I will skewer them with "I told you so"

Well, everyone has an ego, this drive is understandable (though I personally do my best to eliminate and ignore it completely from my life).

I don't think the "told you so" will be going in the direction you think it will however... have you built a functional device?


So I do strongly recommend this thread staying open. Allow those that squirm to wriggle their dissent, until one day they have to purchase these devices and others, from a fourth world emerging technological country.

Ok, two egoic statements, fair enough.



The funniest thing of all and it cracks me up every time I think of it: there is amongst us a strong regular dissenter to this project who claims he is a broadcast engineer and he is unable to fathom the principles for himself__________roflmao

I'm a deca-certified IT professional & in the military I work with HF and UHF radios.... I can't fathom the principles, I've been looking into this "tech" since before anyone on this thread has (a guess I assume is accurate). Can you explain it in a non-condesending way? your ego is bleeding through a bit at the end of this post.


Come on Aurelius, do me just this one favour, please keep this thread open until the shipments arrive in the West:-)

Shipments of what? The "generators" that were supposed to ship in 2012?

[Nick Matkin]

The funniest thing of all and it cracks me up every time I think of it: there is amongst us a strong regular dissenter to this project who claims he is a broadcast engineer and he is unable to fathom the principles for himself__________roflmao

There's a very good reason for that! Have a wild guess.

So, have you made or bought one? It should have paid for itself by now I expect.

We're still waiting for:
a) Wide availability of Keshe devices
b) Independent factual reports of their efficacy

The thread should indeed stay open for the truth to be revealed. But after 1062 posts already, when will that happen?

[Snoweagle]

The following are key to understanding the work of Keshe:

Magnetic hysteresis effect

Magnetic field induction

Magnetic hysteresis effect: The rise time is quicker than the fall time. Adaptable.

Magnetic field induction: In the Keshe magrav the resonant frequencies to the magnetic field of the Ganz is introduced during the training period of the magrav. This is a controlled cycle of ever increasing periods to "train" the Ganz. The magnetic input to the Ganz emits from the Copper turn configuration of the generator from the electrical current (magnetism) serving the training "load".
The training load is the two compressors, one of which is under normal load and the other open circuit, the hair-dryer, printer and so on. This provides the electrical (voltage) and magnetic (electrical current) resonance to the circuit.

The current in any cable always rides the surface (perimeter) of the conductor. (think of it as emitting a Kirilian field along it's length). The magrav generators copper coils have been electrolysed with the Ganz. The copper and the Ganz about these coils sympathetically oscillate the magnetic emissions to all the surrounding Ganz and is absorbed in near equal amounts by all Ganz in the vicinity. The magrav Ganz resonates sympathetically over the preset time determined by the training regime.

So when completely trained and in service, as soon as you switch on the mains the magrav will start to self discharge over a time length of the training period.

As soon as electrical household devices (Domestic magrav) are electrically activated these start to charge the Ganz once again. Proportionally, dependant on reactance of those energised devices. Simultaneously, and more importantly, the Ganz emits current (magnetic field) into the domestic electrical system from the Ganz balls to the magrav coils without the current demand being made from the source provider of the domestic elctrical supply.

Anyway, that's how it works.

[Snoweagle]

This an example of the type of use this magnetic induction can be applied to.

This is the Khibiny type of magnetic discharge electrical counter measure weapon being utilised by BRICS. Predominantly Russian and Iranian developed and effectively negates all electrical systems.

This is the type of weapon used against the USS Donald Cook. It was dead in the water.

The Wests entire arsenal is dependant on electrically developed AI systems. The Aegis system is a turkey in comparison.. Khibiny will send the west back to the stone age overnight with these types on the battlefield.

Using the very same principles as depicted by the Keshe magrav.

[Nick Matkin]

This an example of the type of use this magnetic induction can be applied to.

This is the Khibiny type of magnetic discharge electrical counter measure weapon being utilised by BRICS. Predominantly Russian and Iranian developed and effectively negates all electrical systems.

This is the type of weapon used against the USS Donald Cook. It was dead in the water.

The Wests entire arsenal is dependant on electrically developed AI systems. The Aegis system is a turkey in comparison.. Khibiny will send the west back to the stone age overnight with these types on the battlefield.

Using the very same principles as depicted by the Keshe magrav.

But that appears to be a radar (and probably other RF) jammer that uses fairly advanced yet conventional physics.

This is straying off topic, but military electronics is (obviously) very advanced. There is a weapons system that detects the electronic smog surrounding aircraft, detectable for some miles. It can be 'tuned' to specific types of aircraft, and I believe tune into a specific aircraft. With that technology radar is almost redundant.

I have no reason to believe that it is anything other than advanced yet conventional technology.

This is in the public domain, though inevitably much more advanced military technology is not.

[Snoweagle]

Nick you are wrong again.

Google: Khibiny armament or electronic counter measure (NB it is also the name of a Russian mountain range)

It is on topic which can be verified by the videos of Keshe. As the first video, probably the only one I watched back in the day, Mr Keshe alluded to this device and the means to capture US drones. As well as health benefits, space ships and others too.

The device in the picture I believe to be an earlier design. Yet still effective.

This was placed into the public domain by the Russian Authorities after the USS Donald Cook incident. They wanted to tell the Techies around the world what they were dealing with. This weapon dominates Aegis or any other form of electrical transmission.

And the Keshe magrav utilises similar principles.

[TargeT]

Tt9nIIBN3O4

Nick you are wrong again.

And the Keshe magrav utilises similar principles.

Neat, should be easy to explain then.. I'm familiar with the Khibiny system (I've worked on Warlocks and other jamming platforms).. please continue, in my mind they are no way related.

[Nick Matkin]

Like I said, the Khibiny is an advanced radar and communications jammer as described in TargeT's video.

Are you claiming it is using some sort of unconventional, secret physics? If so where is the evidence? The fact that it does what it does is not necessarily evidence of anything other than a superb application of conventional science.



And the Keshe magrav utilises similar principles.

And what does that mean?

[Nick Matkin]

Has anyone on this thread made of bought one of Keshe's power devices?

[Snoweagle]

Neat, should be easy to explain then.. I'm familiar with the Khibiny system (I've worked on Warlocks and other jamming platforms).. please continue, in my mind they are no way related.

Kewl:-)
Well actually, I am not going to venture down that road for quite obvious reasons. The discussion here is Keshe and his tech.

As you are actively engaged in this field I feel it is more down to you to bring aspects of the science that overlap with the domestic application of the magrav. I am not military or ever been such.

Recently, you made an offer to @7redorbs on a separate thread to supply him with any bits and pieces he required to complete his experiments and you would ship them as soon as possible to him, so he might finish a book which you were keen to read. Those bits and pieces you claimed would be available from your very own workshops on base. No doubt those Technicians and Engineers working in those workshops are also familiar with the same technologies.

So go and ask them, in your workshops, how this keshe project overlaps with your current military interests in this field. Ask them to create the experiment (magrav) in one of your workshops. After all, the general public is using sticky paper and spit in comparison. Who knows what revelations they may be able to report back.

Either way, as neither of us are embarking on the production ourselves, the debate is an impasse. I allege this science is perfectly valid, with assertions to why, yet all you have is constant denial.

[Snoweagle]

Over one thousand posts ago, 6th July 2015, you spewed the same message. And @Aurelius was kind enough to point you in the right direction. You didn't take any notice then and you probably won't take any notice to anything anybody says now.

You claim to have an analytical mind and leverage existing science as your stalwart guidestone to corrupt anything you do not understand. I believe you to be a follower not an Engineer. If it isn't written down somewhere it doesn't exist. You are quite unable to break down a problem into it's constituent parts and scrutinise any form of analysis from your findings.

The world is moving on with a new generation of Engineers and Scientists who will be working within the electromagnetic spectrum beyond your cereal box science.

So with no further ado, here's your whimpering a thousand posts ago with some links by @Aurelius to assist.




Another thing is this: we have been hearing about free energy for years on Avalon and how important it will be for the common man and woman in the world. How it will be able to set us all free etc. Why hasn't Bill Ryan said a single word about this. Why are the top posters on Avalon not saying anything either. I posted a question to Wade Frazier and he didn't clarify what he thought about it. Seems strange.
Stan

Very well said.

Unless free energy is tremendously complex to achieve and beyond normal physics (my opinion), then any small group of competent independent engineers could follow any of the online instructions and generate it in their garage/workshops.

If they could publicly demonstrate it, supply a prototype to a university physics department to examine, or even donate a small one to a charity (for publicity) to light an African village. Any of these acts (particularly giving one to a charity) would generate unstoppable publicity.

The fact that it hasn't very obviously happened speaks volumes...

We've been hearing about Keshe, Steorn, QEG/Hope Girl for years. When will the devices start appearing on ebay FFS?!

Nick

... perhaps you've missed the 5th video in the OP (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83294-Significant-Keshe-Foundation-public-announcement-2-July-2015&p=974356&viewfull=1#post974356)?

... you could also buy (http://www.keshefoundation.org/shop/kf-products) or buy (http://www.keshefoundation.org/shop/category/view/5) one.

Just one final note. You did say a while back, you would take a shower for inspiration though it hadn't helped you on that occasion. May I suggest, in the spirit of engaging enlightenment that to increase the performance of the chakra crown where all your analytics take place, that you not lather your root chakra so vigourously as this may be dulling technical discernment. Soapy Nuts may be holding you back.

[TargeT]

So go and ask them, in your workshops, how this keshe project overlaps with your current military interests in this field.

I learned how to be a gear head in those shops. I learned how to stroke an engine and the intricacies of Forced Induction.

I know how jamming systems work (strong transmitters that overload the receiving station by transmitting stronger signals than they will receive from what they are looking for.) I highly doubt that's how Keshe's tech works...


Either way, as neither of us are embarking on the production ourselves, the debate is an impasse. I allege this science is perfectly valid, with assertions to why, yet all you have is constant denial.

Hmm, i agree, the science is valid.


Keshe though...

[aranuk]

Ego talk from immature people is the reason I don't visit here anymore. I had a diagnosis of lung cancer in June last year and I drank CO2 and ZnO2 gans water every day and I am now getting better every day. I will not reveal what else I did but I also used other methods Keshe advised. I am most disappointed with Paul and Target and it shows you both have not open minds on ANYTHING. A pity to be that way I say. If scientific research stopped because the scientists had closed minds like you both have nothing new and helpful for the human race would ever be discovered.

[ThePythonicCow]

Ego talk from immature people is the reason I don't visit here anymore. I had a diagnosis of lung cancer in June last year and I drank CO2 and ZnO2 gans water every day and I am now getting better every day. I will not reveal what else I did but I also used other methods Keshe advised. I am most disappointed with Paul and Target and it shows you both have not open minds on ANYTHING. A pity to be that way I say. If scientific research stopped because the scientists had closed minds like you both have nothing new and helpful for the human race would ever be discovered.

There is a difference between having an open mind to new insights, evidence or experiences, and having an open mind to methods and claims that don't hold up :).

I am radically open to new science. I consider much of the public science of the last century to be a deeply flawed patchwork quilt of overly elaborate mathematical models each of which might fit some particular evidence or observations well, but that are mutually inconsistent or incoherent, that break down when pressed outside their applicable domain of focus, and that, taken together, must still ignore substantial and critical evidence that contradicts all conventional theories.

Keshe is right to criticize such "science." However I do not find his methods and (claimed) results useful either.

To say that that means that I do not have an open mind on ANYTHING is ... a non sequitor.

[jaybee]

Ego talk from immature people is the reason I don't visit here anymore. I had a diagnosis of lung cancer in June last year and I drank CO2 and ZnO2 gans water every day and I am now getting better every day. I will not reveal what else I did but I also used other methods Keshe advised. I am most disappointed with Paul and Target and it shows you both have not open minds on ANYTHING. A pity to be that way I say. If scientific research stopped because the scientists had closed minds like you both have nothing new and helpful for the human race would ever be discovered.

.

Soooooo pleased to hear that you are feeling the benefits of Keshe Tech + teachings, aranuk --- and experiencing significant improvements for a serious health condition -

excellent news

thanks for sharing

.

[Aurelius]

Ego talk from immature people is the reason I don't visit here anymore. I had a diagnosis of lung cancer in June last year and I drank CO2 and ZnO2 gans water every day and I am now getting better every day. I will not reveal what else I did but I also used other methods Keshe advised. I am most disappointed with Paul and Target and it shows you both have not open minds on ANYTHING. A pity to be that way I say. If scientific research stopped because the scientists had closed minds like you both have nothing new and helpful for the human race would ever be discovered.

There is a difference between having an open mind to new insights, evidence or experiences, and having an open mind to methods and claims that don't hold up :).

I am radically open to new science. I consider much of the public science of the last century to be a deeply flawed patchwork quilt of overly elaborate mathematical models each of which might fit some particular evidence or observations well, but that are mutually inconsistent or incoherent, that break down when pressed outside their applicable domain of focus, and that, taken together, must still ignore substantial and critical evidence that contradicts all conventional theories.

Keshe is right to criticize such "science." However I do not find his methods and (claimed) results useful either.

To say that that means that I do not have an open mind on ANYTHING is ... a non sequitor.

you are an ignorant foolish person Paul

[ThePythonicCow]

A couple of weeks ago, Aurelius asked us to close his account here on Avalon.

For reasons largely unrelated to the topics at hand, we had delayed doing so.

For a reason visible just above, I have now honored his request.

[DeDukshyn]

 

Really? Something so little dividing the community as agreement disagreement with Keshe's work? I question it too - but I question everything ... Are we becoming weak?

Disappointed a bit to see Aurelius go, I surely hope his original deactivation request wasn't the result of previous debates on Keshe ... We are all passionate about our research and findings in the genre here, let's keep that passion our strength and not let it be our weakness.

[ThePythonicCow]

  Disappointed a bit to see Aurelius go, I surely hope his original deactivation request wasn't the result of previous debates on Keshe ... We are all passionate about our research and findings in the genre here, let's keep that passion our strength and not let it be our weakness.
The reason that Aurelius gave us when asking to leave involved disappointment over the contentious way this thread had gone, yes.

Sometimes I think that such contentions are energized, amplified, and aggravated, with the deliberate intent of some beings behind the scene (*), to create such divisions as we are seeing here. Other topics (race, sex, football, politics, ...) get hit with this worse, but alternative energy and physics is certainly not immune to it.

(*) beings either behind the scene, or buried deeply within the human psyche, ... not sure which

[Johnny]

  Disappointed a bit to see Aurelius go, I surely hope his original deactivation request wasn't the result of previous debates on Keshe ... We are all passionate about our research and findings in the genre here, let's keep that passion our strength and not let it be our weakness.
The reason that Aurelius gave us when asking to leave involved disappointment over the contentious way this thread had gone, yes.

Sometimes I think that such contentions are energized, amplified, and aggravated, with the deliberate intent of some beings behind the scene (*), to create such divisions as we are seeing here. Other topics (race, sex, football, politics, ...) get hit with this worse, but alternative energy and physics is certainly not immune to it.

(*) beings either behind the scene, or buried deeply within the human psyche, ... not sure which

Could also be:

(*) beings either behind the scene, and/or buried deeply within the human psyche !

You should know that as a programmer :blackwidow: :cheers:

Johnny :)

[Snoweagle]

@Aurelious
Well that is a disappointment. Not the smartest thing to say and most definetely the wrong person. Whats done is done.

We feel your pain and recognise the hammering you took earlier on in presenting information on this subject. And the critics were vicious at times. With few supporters and regular failures hampering positive understanding of the processes involved was swamping.

Anyway, times have changed, evidences are emerging to support the science of the magrav, the question is, how can we display the science in respect of the benefits within this "safe" power level that this magrav exhibits to educate. So both the new engineer acolytes and the ageing traditionally conditioned science buffs comprehend. By identifying this discordance each group can support the other. You have a valued input on this.

The constant "demands for evidences" during this open style development process and "failure to deliver" criticisms must be made reasonably though. They are perfectly valid based on promises made. We know that. Deliverables haven't been. We know that too. And the list goes on. There is a multitude of mitigating reasons for these to be considered. The design of openness to the developing acolyte community done in this way makes it harder to control. The result is somewhat chaotic. Validation is difficult. So it's much better to discuss both positives and failures without having to resort to repetitive "soapy nut" commentaries. It really doesn't help. From either side of the argument.

So @Aurelious, this thread is your legacy. You brought this to community, Much Kudos to you for that. So build your bridges and step back in line with the rest of us. You bring a wealth of knowledge on this subject yet seldom advantaged by others. People are coming here now just for this thread. Things are changing, you deserve to be part of the change here.

There's a great community here that will happily welcome and support your return so we can all work together on this.

[ThePythonicCow]

Could also be:

(*) beings either behind the scene, and/or buried deeply within the human psyche !

You should know that as a programmer
As a former student of logic and mathematics, I know that "A or B" can mean "either one, or the other, or both, of A and B is true" :).

That is, "or" is not necessarily "excusive or" (exactly one of the two is true). It can be "inclusive or" (at least one and perhaps both are true).

The English language is ambguous, as is well known.

[jaybee]

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well - we've had quite a kerfuffle on the thread to start the New Year :ohwell:

but I'm glad the thread hasn't been closed or archived because it can still inspire and create interest - and if we have a big breakthrough that is enough to satisfy everyone then it's fitting that it should be here after all the argy bargy :)

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many thanks to Aurelius again for creating the thread and posting loads of info
I may not have picked up on Keshe again so soon if it wasn't for this thread -

I first came across him (Keshe not Aurelius :-) ) a few years ago when he started doing the rounds on alternative talk shows about giving Iran the technology to build a 'flying saucer' ---

I started a thread about it (about 5 years ago) on another forum and of course it got completely hammered into the ground lol .... one bit that especially amused me was when someone pretended that they had a cousin who lived in Belgium called Bertha and that they had gone to (what was) the original Keshe Foundation Centre and looked through the window and said it was a derelict building with nothing inside -- lol

Kumaran the Keshe Foundation stalker also helped to completely wreck the thread - this one in comparison is really top notch ---on a serious note Kumaran got a mention in the last Knowledge Seekers Workshop yesterday about being involved in the child trafficking and paedophile stuff -- :(


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anyway - One thing that I find especially interesting is the possibility to use the Keshe Tech basics to fly - not into space or to a different star system - just a bit of levitation perhaps going as high as the tree tops or maybe a bit higher :)

In a Knowledge Seekers Workshops a couple of weeks ago someone brought the subject up and asked Keshe a question about it -- and if it could be done -

Keshe went something like ----'oh yes, that's easy, levitation, floating, flying.'

And I thought - ok let's see it then :bigsmile: shut all your detractors up once and for all by floating around on camera maybe landing on the roof of a house or something -- that would be a sight to see wouldn't it... :clapping:


I think it could be possible though - like when we fly in dreams

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Anyway -- Happy New Year to all on this thread or reading this thread - and Best Wishes for a good 2017 :thumb:


.

[TargeT]

So @Aurelious, this thread is your legacy. You brought this to community, Much Kudos to you for that.

Oh I dont know.. it's been on the forum for years really (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44711-Keshe-Foundation-gives-free-energy-and-other-technology-to-ALL-countries.&highlight=Keshe).. That's why when this recent thread popped up, a lot of people had already been over the material..

I started looking into Keshe based on a thread here in 2012, I used to believe. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics&p=699590&viewfull=1#post699590)




.
anyway - One thing that I find especially interesting is the possibility to use the Keshe Tech basics to fly - not into space or to a different star system - just a bit of levitation perhaps going as high as the tree tops or maybe a bit higher :)

In a Knowledge Seekers Workshops a couple of weeks ago someone brought the subject up and asked Keshe a question about it -- and if it could be done -

Keshe went something like ----'oh yes, that's easy, levitation, floating, flying.'

And I thought - ok let's see it then :bigsmile: shut all your detractors up once and for all by floating around on camera maybe landing on the roof of a house or something -- that would be a sight to see wouldn't it... :clapping:

I think it could be possible though - like when we fly in dreams


It does seem that gravity "shielding" is possible, we can do it with super conductors. It's even cohesively explained on a thread contained in this very forum... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8797-A-New-Era-in-Physics-Anti-Gravity-Cold-Fusion-Explained-In-Detail--video-series-)

A demonstration like that would certainly silence some skeptics (and start a whole new wave of "see the wires" or some other skepticism).

[jaybee]

Oh I dont know.. it's been on the forum for years really (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44711-Keshe-Foundation-gives-free-energy-and-other-technology-to-ALL-countries.&highlight=Keshe).. That's why when this recent thread popped up, a lot of people had already been over the material..

I started looking into Keshe based on a thread here in 2012, I used to believe. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics&p=699590&viewfull=1#post699590)


actually come to think of it I think I took part in a couple of other Keshe threads in a minor way but it was this one that inspired me to look deeper -





It does seem that gravity "shielding" is possible, we can do it with super conductors. It's even cohesively explained on a thread contained in this very forum... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8797-A-New-Era-in-Physics-Anti-Gravity-Cold-Fusion-Explained-In-Detail--video-series-)

A demonstration like that would certainly silence some skeptics (and start a whole new wave of "see the wires" or some other skepticism).


Thanks for that and the link --- and yeah about the wires :)


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[Nick Matkin]

Has anyone on this thread made of bought one of Keshe's power devices?

No answer was the reply! (I guess that's a 'no' then. Pity. It might have proved something...)

[Nick Matkin]

Has anyone on this thread made of bought one of Keshe's power devices?

No answer was the reply! (I guess that's a 'no' then. Pity. It might have proved something...)

Still waiting...

This is disappointing. There were so may Keshe supporters here backing his claims. So - what happened?

[Nick Matkin]

Bump!

So, all those who were so keenly supporting Kesh, telling us to watch and understand his videos, make his components, how have you progressed in the past six months?...

I guess the believers have made or bought the devices now. How did it go? We need the evidence to silence the vicious critics.

And whatever happened to Keshe...?

[sms]

Has anyone on this thread made of bought one of Keshe's power devices?
I have 7 Magravs Universal Units, which were supposed to produce 2KW of power, each. Four of them are the original ones, from Keshe’s facory in Italy (closed in the meanwhile, I think) and 3 home made. According to my experience (and some other people whom I contacted and who have the devices), one unit may save around 30% (the biggest figure I have heard from others was ~40%) of electricity, while the additional devices (“cascading” ones), do not increase the saving. One device can not power any appliance by itself. Now, I can say that Dr Keshe has made a lot of misleading (fraudulent?!) statements.

[Nick Matkin]

Has anyone on this thread made of bought one of Keshe's power devices?
I have 7 Magravs Universal Units, which were supposed to produce 2KW of power, each. Four of them are the original ones, from Keshe’s facory in Italy (closed in the meanwhile, I think) and 3 home made. According to my experience (and some other people whom I contacted and who have the devices), one unit may save around 30% (the biggest figure I have heard from others was ~40%) of electricity, while the additional devices (“cascading” ones), do not increase the saving. One device can not power any appliance by itself. Now, I can say that Dr Keshe has made a lot of misleading (fraudulent?!) statements.

Thanks sms. It's been so long now since Keshe's invention/project/physics was released into the public domain at various times and in various ways, it's very odd he hasn't taken the world by storm!

We all know the conspiracies about this sort of technology being suppressed, but his work was so widely released it's hard to think that is the reason why he has sunk without trace - or maybe he's still going strong...? You and others actually made the devices, so the subject hasn't been suppressed.

However, saving 30 percent is very significant, and if true would be enough for all kinds of individuals and industries to take it up. I'd like to know how this figure was measured as power measurements in AC circuits can notoriously misleading if certain factors are overlooked.

Thanks again.

[sms]

Regarding the performance of the Magravs units, only thing one can do is take the readings from the electricity meter, as the unit does not produce any electricity by itself. I live on a farm with several buildings, some of which are at ~50 meters from the house and a bore water pump at ~100 meters away, which would mean a lot of wiring. The Magravs unit is supposed to nanocoat all el. wires and then produce the electricity from plasma made between the wire and the nanocoat. I got the first unit somewhere in February 2016, and started conditioning it, as per the guidelines...

http://galaksija.com/foto/conditioning.jpg

http://galaksija.com/foto/mg-1.jpg

Before using the unit, I had a daily average of 42KW, as per the electricity bill (several water pumps, cool room, airconditioner, freezers... etc). After the conditioning phase, the meter readings went as following (in 2016; European date format)

20-03-16 30 KW
21-03-16 46
22-03-16 41
23-03-16 46
28-03-16 29
29-03-16 23
30-03-16 22
01-04-16 22
02-04-16 32
03-04-16 36
21-04-16 23
20-05-16 20
01-06-16 22
04-08-16 20
29-08-16 21
24-09-16 20
04-10-16 23
05-10-16 23 (3 devices added)
06-10-16 18
09-10-16 18
10-10-16 29
11-10-16 23
12-10-16 19
13-10-16 23
14-10-16 24
15-10-16 20
20-10-16 25
21-10-16 27
22-10-16 21
23-10-16 31
26-10-16 22
27-10-16 25
28-10-16 22
29-10-16 23
30-10-16 = 27
31-Oct = 28
01-11-16 = 24
02-Nov = 42KW
03-Nov = 31
04-Nov = 25
05-Nov = 26
06-Nov = 32
07-Nov = 35
08-Nov =19
09-Nov =21
10-Nov=20
11-Nov = 28
12-Nov = 19
13-Nov = 23
14-Nov = 22
15-Nov = 17
16-Nov = 22
17-Nov = 17 KW
21-Nov = 26
25-Nov = 24
30-Nov = 32
06-Dec = 24
12-Dec = 26
14-Dec = 20
15-Dec = 17
16-Dec = 28
18-Dec = 27
19-Dec = 27
20-Dec = 22
21-Dec = 18
22-Dec = 22
23-Dec = 17
24-Dec = 21
25-Dec = 23
26-Dec = 19
27-Dec = 17
28-Dec = 19
29-Dec = 20
30-Dec 2016 = 21 KW

(…)

…in 2017, I have replaced the el. boiler with one on gas; as I had 3KW of solar panels on the roof (grid on) and in the last year, after an installation of the smart meter, one part of the electricity coming from the panels was diverted directly into the house, so the consumption of the power coming from the grid was further reduced and so, it was hard to determine the performance of the magravs units by reading the el. meter. According to Dr Keshe, the Magravs units need an electrical impulse from the grid, in order to operate. I was thinking that if they get the el. impulse from the solar panels (through the inverter), then it could be sufficient to power the household off-grid by the Magravs devices only, however, it did not work in practice.

In the meanwhile, Dr Keshe was saying at some of his lectures that the units do not have to go through the complicated conditioning procedure, as described above, it was sufficient to connect them to a fridge for a month and then they would be able to power the fridge, even when disconnected from the grid power, however, this does not happen in the practice. According to my experience, one unit can not power anything by itself and when there is no power in the grid, there would be no any power in the household, even with the solar panels “providing the el. impulse”.

Several months ago, I have added another 3 units (home made ones), but no further saving in power consumption was noted. A month ago, I added one LG CHEM Resu 6.4 KW battery and at the moment, an average daily power consumption is 4-6KW on sunny days and 10-12KW on cloudy days. So, still not off the grid.

After adding 3 additional units, and not seeing any improvements, I have contacted the support section of the Keshe’s Foundation, telling them that the devices do not work as per the specification (2 KW/h each). They said that they would need more time to nanocoat all wires as I live on a farm with quite extensive electrical wiring. I have also heard that the households with 3-phase power installation do much better than those with 1 phase power (as it is in my case).

Furthermore, I tested one unit on my car, and it did not save any petrol. The Keshe foundation was selling the car magravs units, claiming that they would nanocoat the el. wiring and the engine of a car, and the plasma will power the car. (Some people in Australia, where I live, seem to have achieved it by using, so called, “Joe Cell” which was supposedly an “orgone generator” and Keshe’s plasma and orgone, seem to be the same thing.) I also was not able to find anyone claiming to have achieved any significant savings of fuel by magravs devices designated for cars.

Dr Keshe also was saying that a significant part of the price of a magravs unit was meant to be a donation, so they can supply the units to third world countries for free and that those who purchase more than one unit, will not be charged the full price. This was another lie, as I was charged full price for each one of the units.

At the end, I can say that Dr Keshe’s statements about performance of the Magravs units were largely exaggerated and misleading. If they worked as stated, 4 units should produce at least 8 KW/hour (or "facilitate" the production of that amount of power in the el. wires) , which would be sufficient to get a household off grid, and in my case, 7 of them should by far exceed all the needs, but it does not happen in the practice. Having on mind all of that, I would doubt that there was much substance in his other sensational statements, such as the ability of water and gold production in huge quantities, efficient cleaning of radiation in Fukushima, supplying Vatican with all necessary power from magravs devices, reducing cost of fuel for Italian police by donating to them magravs car units, possibility of interplanetary travels by utilising the magnetic/gravitational fields produced by the units etc… It might be very subjective, but I take such statements as fraudulent (his products are pretty expensive), even delusional. Though, I can not say that there was not a signal there, but the noise is much stronger. (30% signal, 70% noise?!)

Or, I did not do a proper “tunning”, as people who are associated with Keshe’s foundation are saying that one has to tune up his mind with the plasma, in order to obtain the best results, though, people working with orgone energy are saying the same?! It seems to me that this energy does exist, but we will need more time in order to understand it and use it properly.

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[Nick Matkin]

Any updates on Keshe? All seems very quite...

[WhiteFeather]

Any updates on Keshe? All seems very quite...

I have been interested as well of late.
Further, I have seen a YouTube video on a kit that you can purchase and assemble with very good instructions on how to put this generator together. If I find it, I'll post the video. I found it, and posted the info in next post.

[WhiteFeather]

Putting together the Keshe magrav kit.
Ap4SrG_Fatw

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I believe you can purchase the kits here.

https://www.dva.si/magrav-kits.html#ready

[WhiteFeather]

This Magrav Generator is for an automobile.
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[TargeT]

Any updates on Keshe? All seems very quite...

its a sign! (of a hoax......)