Greeks tell Troika: Oxi!

[mgray]

In early results after the polls close the "no" votes have garnered 60% of the Greek votes.
Meaning of course the can will be kicked again down the road with no end in sight.
Congrats to the Greek people for their attempt to get out from under a tough situation they never requested.

[Violet]

I wasn't expecting a much different result. It was getting humiliating for the Greek people. I wish them all the best.

[mgray]

I wasn't expecting a much different result. It was getting humiliating for the Greek people. I wish them all the best.

I wholeheartedly agree. Interesting it was 55 years ago this week that the Greek government forgave Germany's war debt.

[ghostrider]

the scam of the IMF and the EURO , has gone on for too long ... I hope the NO votes win ...

[robinr1]

the scam of the IMF and the EURO , has gone on for too long ... I hope the NO votes win ...

me too..........

[Camilo]

Today, the people of Greece are voting as to whether or not to accept the
terms of the offer (which has now been withdrawn!) the Troika offered them.

Greece has already defaulted on its June 30 payment to the IMF. No matter
how the vote actually goes, the entire process has revealed deep divisions
and flaws in the existing systems and is likely to lead to even more unrest
and division.

The leading French presidential candidate (Marine la Pen) has also stepped
forward with concerns about its ability to remain part of the European
Union due to France's financial problems, and if Greece is given debt
relief, Spain, Italy, Portugal and Ireland are likely to demand it, too.
The time of "greater turmoil and strife" has begun.

The financial experts I have listened to are saying that the financial
collapse could occur at any time, but there is a convergence of opinion
that it is likely to occur in the September-October timeframe. Given what I
have observed about what I consider to be the markers of the elite's final
preparations for the coming collapse, I share that expectation. However, I
also like a particular teaching from G. Bluestone's little book, "Light of
the Kensei": "Be ready for anything, expecting nothing in particular."

[avid]

Awaiting the sudden 'twist' to yes, just like the rigged Scottish vote.... Euro-politics are authoritarian, undemocratic, and are almost a return to the Nazi regime. We're like hamsters on the idiotic wheel. NO!

[avid]

By the way - due to the devaluation of the Euro, the Financial Services Compensation Scheme has reduced their cover to £70k from January in UK. Split your savings to no more than £70k in any independent financial institution.
The goalposts keep moving, so be aware.

[Camilo]

Greece Appears To Vote 'No' In Referendum On Bailout Deal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/05/greece-referendum-no_n_7718272.html

Greeks on Sunday decisively rejected a bailout deal proposed by the country's international creditors, which demanded new austerity measures in return for emergency funds. The vote amounted to a stinging rebuke of the austerity measures imposed on Greece since 2010.

Greece's Interior Ministry announced Sunday night that it projects more than 61 percent of voters decided against the deal.

A win of the "no" camp would constitute a major victory for Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tspiras, who had campaigned heavily against the deal put forward by the European Central Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the European Commission. But it will also raise uncertainty about the country's financial future and its place in the eurozone.

"Even in the most difficult circumstances, democracy can't be blackmailed -- it is a dominant value and the way forward," Tsipras tweeted on Sunday night, adding that Greece intends to restart negotiations with Europe next week.

Waving flags and chanting "No, No, No," thousands of "no" voters descended on Athens' Syntagma Square on Sunday night in anticipation of an official announcement about the referendum's result.

"This is an imprint of the will of the Greek people and now it's up to Europeans to show if they respect our opinion and want to help," Nikos Tarasis, a 23-year-old student, told Reuters.

Sunday's vote came after a week of heated rhetoric from the Greek government and European leaders. Athens' years-long bailout program ran out without a renewal agreement Tuesday, the same day the country failed to make a 1.6 billion euro debt payment to the IMF.

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras announced the referendum last Saturday in a surprise address when it became clear that, after months of negotiations, both parties still differed on new budget cuts demanded by the creditors in return for emergency funds.

Tsipras implored Greeks to vote against accepting the terms of the bailout throughout the week, arguing that a "no" vote would strengthen Athens' position in further negotiations.

The prime minister cast his ballot for the "no" campaign in front of the cameras Sunday, saying "no one can ignore the will of the people to take their lives in their hands."

Antonis Samaras, former Greek prime minister and current opposition leader, announced his resignation hours after the polls closed.

European leaders, on the other hand, had voiced heavy support for the "yes" campaign, insisting that a "no" vote would leave Greece no option but to leave the eurozone.

Martin Schulz, the head of the European Parliament, told German radio on Sunday that Greece would have to introduce another currency if the "no" vote prevailed. "If they say ‘no’ they will have to introduce another currency after the referendum because the euro is not available as a means of payment," Schulz said.

But in Sunday's referendum, Greek voters sent a clear message they had enough of Europe's austerity demands.

"If the Europeans really wanted Greece to stand on its feet, then they could have done so without imposing such harsh measures," 26-year-old Yiannis Gkovesis told the Associated Press. "We don't want austerity measures anymore. This has been happening for the last five years and it has driven so many into poverty. We simply can't take any more austerity."

It is unclear how and when talks between Greece and its creditors would move forward. Greek government officials said on Sunday they wanted to restart negotiations immediately, Reuters reported. However, a European official denied that talks would take place so soon.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande have called an emergency summit on Tuesday to discuss the financial crisis. Both leaders will meet in Paris on Monday to deliberate on a joint response.

The euro fell sharply after news about the Greek vote spread throughout the eurozone, according to Reuters.

Millions of Greeks came out on Sunday to cast their votes at polling stations across the country. According to Greece's Interior Minister Nikos Voutsis, the participation rate was more than 50 percent, well over the 40 percent needed for the referendum to be legal.

The referendum comes after a week of extreme uncertainty in the Mediterranean country. Most Greek banks have been closed all week and capital controls were put in place to prevent the collapse of its financial system. Supermarkets, gas stations and ATMs saw long lines. Some senior citizens waited for days in front of the few banks that were open to collect their pensions.

More uncertainty is ahead. Louka Katseli, chairwoman of the National Bank of Greece, warned on Friday that ATMs in the country will start running dry within hours after the vote if the European Central Bank does not provide new funds or ceilings on withdrawals are not reduced.

[3(C)+me]

Evening summary: Greece gives creditors the big No
A quick recap:

Greece has delivered a dramatic, unexpected and sensational rejection of the terms demanded by its creditors in return for aid, putting itself closer to leaving the euro.

With more than three quarters of votes counted, around 62% of Greeks have voted No, or Oxi – stunning the eurozone, and opening up another chapter in this long crisis.

Thousands of No supporters have hit the streets of Athens tonight to celebrate:

(WOW)

[Billy]

Wow NO to bailouts and more dept. Go Greece. Reclaim the peoples sovereignty. :clapping:

[poetbil]

the scam of the IMF and the EURO , has gone on for too long ... I hope the NO votes win ...

me too..........

and me too....

[Meggings]

As the people of Greece see through the manipulation of money used to enslave them, I am reminded of the manipulation of morality that, amongst other things, also confines us.

Recently in attending to a lecture series called "Questions of Value", a discussion was made of how to change things. In lecture #23 entitled "Moralities in Conflict and Change", the example of the movie "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" was put forward.

The old moral system that needed changing was the frontier code held by cattle baron Lee Marvin whose interests constituted right because of its might. The new moral system, the change in the wings waiting to be actualized, of law and order was represented by Jimmy Stewart. But the CHANGE AGENT was outside both the old moral system and the new moral system, and was represented by John Wayne. His character acted outside the moral code of both the old and the new systems. He was not bound through manipulation by either.

As in Iceland, the way through may not be by using the old or the new - rather by taking action outside what is expected. Let us trust to the value system inherent in every human being with heart and soul in Greece and the world to step outside the current insane world setup to arrive at a new morality. And kudos to John Ford for crafting a morality play wearing the guise of a western movie.

[3(C)+me]

IT'S OFFICIAL: NO WINS BY A LANDSLIDE


The last ballot paper has just been counted in Greece, and the No campaign have stormed to a dramatic victory.

The final result is No: 61.31%, and Yes with 38.69%

[mosquito]

Excellent, good for them.

A minor point - The correct Romanization of the Greek "όχι" would be ochi.

[mgray]

My thoughts on the Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis resignation here (https://mgray12.wordpress.com/)

[Carmody]

It is my understanding that this destabilization of the Euro as a final result, initially rolled out a deception planted by Goldman Sachs in their dealings with the Greek government of the given time.

Make the connection. Follow the logic bunny.

Germany and France, as the keystones in the euro group, must be strong enough to fend off the interference of the US black and back room groups.

The US black and backroom groups, try to destabilize the Euro zone, so it does not team up with Russia and create a block that would far, far far outshine the US block. Hence US interference (military/Intel/conflict creation--eastern Europe ) and financial interference (in this case Goldman in Greece).

This is thousands of years old in black groups, secret societies...warring with one another, as they manipulate countries, peoples, religions, and regions for their psychotic games.

And you... you are just the jam in the sandwich, the dirt under the heel, the grist in the mill, the cow in the barnyard. You will remain as these things, until you look at situations deeply enough, with the deeper wide logic and deeper wider data base....which is what is required..in order to end their game playing with you as the pieces, food and fodder. Intellect, rumination, logic, and freedom.. as a set... is not given --it must be risen into.

[Carmody]

News > World Latin American Leaders Congratulate Greece on Referendum Win

Bolivia’s left-wing president, Evo Morales, said, "I congratulate the great Greek people for the victory of “no” … which is a defeat of European imperialism. It is the beginning of the liberation of the European people. My respect and admiration for the historic Greek people, the birthplace of democracy. The Greek people have defeated the harshest capitalism" Cuba’s Raul Castro also sent a message to Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras saying "I extend sincere congratulations on the victory of the No vote in the referendum ...that result shows the majority support of the Greek people for the courageous policy of your government. I reiterate my highest consideration and esteem." Argentine President Cristina Kirchner also lent her her support to the Greek people.

“In Greece, the vote against the policies of cuts the creditors asked for won 61%, giving solid backing to Prime Minister Tsipras.” Ecuador, like Greece, held a debt audit that found the country’s debt illegal and illegitimate and that later led to the South American nation substantially reducing its repayments to creditors. Ahead of the vote, Ecuador’s president, Rafael Correa, said Greece should ignore the advice of the IMF and international financial bureaucracies

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The same game, in the form of international banks. More smoke, more mirrors. The game of the protection racket, where you give your own strength to another so they can save you from a fake danger, a danger which was created by them. The parasite, using the given entity/host as an energy source, can only use the host's energies ---against the host. It has no other source of energy or manipulation.

It uses bluff, confusion, levels of smoke and mirrors, to try and layer the data and the truth in a way that is beyond understanding for the the given groups of people involved.

one guy throws a rock through your window, and the next guy, his buddy, comes into the store to talk to about protecting you from the one who threw the rock. Protect you at a price.

Ecuador states they did an audit, and found their debt to be illegal.

Looking at the games committed by Goldman Sachs with the original Greece debt formation, they will probably find the same.

If that is the case, and Goldman really did 'hide things', then we're into a situation where a group is demanding international rules for everyone..but..no rules for the given hidden strongarms who commit acts like finance bombs hiding inside of Greece's debt load.

so..no rules for their hidden strong-arm tactics, or at least no roles for what is hidden from the public and not spoken about via the controlled media systems. thus...at the least, it really is shaping up to looking like a protection racket, pulled out of thin air, based on fiat currencies, based on bluff, smoke and mirrors, and the violence of implied war machines.

An organized crime....protection racket. Oligarchical animal monkey games.

[Carmody]

The Greeks should prepare for something uglier than finance wars, as after a no vote...destabilization plans may take on new shapes. Like faked terrorist issues.

the euro union apparently wants Greece to remain part of the euro group, so that it may cast off the influence of the American faction, in the future. to remain strong as that process takes place,and move to working with Russia and the BRICs.

The US faction does not want the Greeks moving closer to the BRICs/Russia, as that would destabilize their the plan for continued interference with Euro plans (changing the pace and flow of such plans), via creating uprisings in eastern Europe..... so they may attempt to forestall any motion into anything, via terrorist based false flags and the like -on Greek soil.

The problem for Greece, is they don't really have a southern coastline to seal off and monitor. Thus, there may be a murmuring beginning, already (no time like the present), to put in place national destabilization plans, via implanted scenarios 'going active', and the creation of more scenarios. To put Greece 'on hold' so to speak, via making the attempt to grind it into dust.

and the papers and media, and government of Greece would have to be very clear on what they are watching for, patrolling for.

To directly say 'faked terrorism', 'false flag terrorism', and not use the term terrorism, as that falls into the plans of others, for Greece to be further destabilized and ground down into dust.

[Violet]

What may look like indecisiveness on the European part may very well be that, a reluctance to let go of that "rascal" Greece (others may follow if they make it), with no plausible way of selling it to the audience.

[naste.de.lumina]

For every loser there is a winner, and in the case of Greece and its tragedy, just as millions are about to lose everything, a few not only made ...

Goldman Sachs - The Biggest Winner From The Greek Tragedy | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-06/who-biggest-winner-greek-tragedy)

[Meggings]

A description given here of the sort of manipulation the "Money Mafia" (to use the title of Paul Hellyer's book) engage in to bankrupt countries (and individuals et cetera), this specifically using Greece as example.

Toward the end of it, this article sums up with: "This is the essence of the New World Order — a world owned by a handful of corporations and banks; a world that is full of obedient, powerless debt serfs."

http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/greece-what-you-are-not-being-told-by-the-media/#.VZ3V7XjFkEd.facebook

I add more from the article linked to above:

"Stage 4: Now, the rape and humiliation of a nation begin under the name of “austerity” or “structural reforms.” For the debt that was forced upon it, Greece had to sell many of its profitable assets to oligarchs and international corporations. And privatizations are ruthless, involving everything and anything that is profitable. In Greece, privatization included water, electricity, post offices, airport services, national banks, telecommunication, port authorities (which is huge in a country that is a world leader in shipping) etc. Of course, the ever-manipulative bankers always demand immediate privatization of all media which means that the country gets photogenic TV anchors who spew establishment propaganda every day and tell the people that crooked and greedy banksters are saviors; and slavery under austerity is so much better than the alternative.

In addition to that, the banker tyrants also get to dictate every single line item in the government’s budget. Want to cut military spending? NO! Want to raise tax on the oligarchs or big corporations? NO! Such micro-management is non-existent in any other creditor-debtor relationship.

So what happens after privatization and despotism under bankers? Of course, the government’s revenue goes down and the debt increases further. How do you “fix” that? Of course, cut spending! Lay off public workers, cut minimum wage, cut pensions (same as our social security), cut public services, and raise taxes on things that would affect the 99% but not the 1%. For example, pension has been cut in half and sales tax increase to more than 20%. All these measures have resulted in Greece going through a financial calamity that is worse than the Great Depression of the U.S. in the 1930s.

After all this, what is the solution proposed by the heartless bankers? Higher taxes! More cuts to the pension!"