The dawning of a new day – Lindsey Williams (Sept-Dec 2015 prognosis)

[Redstar Kachina]

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[EWO]

Are we to expect a increase in interest rates, particularly in mortgages?
Should we lock in our current rates before they skyrocket?

[robinr1]

no... a rise in interest rates collapses the entire Ponzi scheme....it wont happen until if/ when they are ready to do it...




Are we to expect a increase in interest rates, particularly in mortgages?
Should we lock in our current rates before they skyrocket?

[Wind]

Call me mad, but humanity will never, ever be truly free before the monetary system goes out. It has to...
Or we all will continue to be slaves of the bankers for the rest of our lives. Money itself is not bad, the corrupt system is.
It only benefits the "elite" not the common people, it's all about the haves and the have nots and that is dominance.

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Bubu]

Call me mad, but humanity will never, ever be truly free before the monetary system goes out. It has to...
Or we all will continue to be slaves of the bankers for the rest of our lives. Money itself is not bad, the corrupt system is.
It only benefits the "elite" not the common people, it's all about the haves and the have nots and that is dominance.

Agree whichever way I look at it its the money that keeps us chained. It should go hoping that no microchip money system replace it. I see no good in money man shall not have a reward from his efforts other than the joy he experience in discharging the effort. Storing ones effort in money is......

[T Smith]

Are we to expect a increase in interest rates, particularly in mortgages?
Should we lock in our current rates before they skyrocket?

Central banks cannot raise rates. Talk to the contrary in the media-sphere serves as a pressure valve for global financial markets (where there is tremendous pressure for higher rates), but as robin1 pointed out, if/when rates move up the entire Ponzi scheme collapses. In my estimation, the talk of substantially higher rates is a bluff...

That said, rates could skyrocket, and likely will skyrocket if and when the central planners lose control. In which case the entire dynamo has thrown a rod and is all over the road and spinning wildly out of control.

When dealing with interest rates at zero, I envision the Fed fighting a prize marlin the size of a volkswagen... reeling it in is the goal, but letting it run on the line is essential. That is what i believe is going on in the bond market right now. Yields have run up ahead of the buzz of a rate hike (and the fiction of an improving economy), but just when propaganda ministers have us all convinced rates are moving up, there will be a fresh new crisis that pushes bond prices to yet new historic highs. Employing the tool of public sentiment, the Fed thus reels in its volkswagen, lets out the line as necessary, and then reels it back in again.

This is an incredibly arrogant sport of kicking the can down the road. And this is a particularly nasty fish with a formidable fight. I foresee at some point the line snapping entirely....

[t2016]

Horrible message to American citizens.

I feel lucky to be a Chinese right now.

[MorningSong]

Here is another synopsis of the Lindsay Williams July 2015 DVD:

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I honestly have not ever done any follow-up on Williams' previsions before, and they are so full of doom and gloom that it is awful even to imagine these things coming to pass...(exhale the desperations and sadness)... but I can see the signs... will we be able to lift our energies to at least slighten the blows?

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

Many thanks. This feels fairly real and important.

[Frenchy]

Call me mad, but humanity will never, ever be truly free before the monetary system goes out. It has to...
Money itself is not bad, the corrupt system is.
It only benefits the "elite"

Haven't yet watched the Lindsey Williams bit , ( has it not been suggested he was an insider - Illuminati ?) No matter, I thank you for the post, and partly agree " never, ever be truly free before the monetary system goes " I believe Humankind, has become too corrupted, dumbed-down, or just plain selfish-egoistical, for the BUNTU ( see Michael Tellinger ) to work, (think there'll always be those who prefer to pillage and steal their food, rather than contribute...)


However, I DO want to direct folks to UKColumn.org and have a look at the BRADBURY Pound work done by Mr. John Hurst ......

It is my opinion, it could take five years or more , just to put a plan together, deciding what to do with all the corruption, already carried out, ( including Historical crime, such as The Canadian Holocaust, The un-lawful torpedoing of Luisitania, and deliberate sinking of the Olympia ( Not the Titanic, but the sister ship... )

For the Pedophiles, it will be easier - Chemically brand their forehead, with a reference number, and abbreviated summary of their offences, NOT jail (that's a kindness, to protect them ), but see if they'll survive in the New Society, where " Blessed are the Children..."

BRADBURY Pound - A Solid, intelligent short-term solution to apply , while Monarchy, Elitism, all can have their funding removed, and themselves held to account..... ( Wonderful work, by Kevin Annett and ITCSS )

[Camilo]

:bump:

Many thanks. This feels fairly real and important.

I agree, the writing on the wall is clear for those with eyes to see.

[Sophocles]

«This american civilization was conceived, established, dedicated, and founded on a biblical cornerstone. America was brought into existence for the will and the purpose of god.»

-Jonathan Cahn-

«The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.»

-President John Adams (1735-1826)-

«What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpeuate liberty, does not need the clergy.»

-President James Madison (1751-1836)-

[Cardillac]

if my read sources are correct Lindsay Williams said ca. about a yr. ago he refuses to give any interviews anymore;

if all of this is correct then it is true what Jordan Maxwell has been saying for yrs.: the Vatican is the source of ALL the woes of the world and as so many have already stated: the Vatican is controlled by the Jesuits and as the present Pope is the 1st Jesuit Pope since, what, ca. 600 yrs., then I think we we can all safely assume the Jesuits (and not Jewish bankers- pawns of the Jesuits?- I don't know but am not ruling it out) are calling the shots;

so if all of this is true and the frigging 'Pope' appears in all of his dubious glory offering the solutions to the world's problems I think we can safely assume the Vatican caused the problems to begin with and they are now offering the solutions to the problems they themselves created (the Heglian Dialect)-

Larry

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Jhonie]

What is this guy's track record?

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Redstar Kachina]

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[Redstar Kachina]

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[TODD & NORA]

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[gripreaper]

Suggest reviewing http://www.zerohedge.com/ on a daily basis...gives you the down low on what's going on and some rudimentary analyses that for whatever reason(s) you don't find in mainstream media in sufficient quantities to make an education conclusion about what's happening in real time.

I found it uncanny that zerohedge was one of the sites that went down yesterday when the stock market, the Wall Street Journal, and one other major player were supposedly "hacked" or as some eluded to, a "server glitch".


The "collapse" is a process...just ask Greece, China, soon to be et al. The trigger for global bank holidays and stock market crashes will precede the Federal Reserve's meeting mid-Sept. The Japanese Nikkei market opens at 8 p.m. EST on Sunday, September 13th. The Japanese bond market can't handle rate increases, and the stock market will reflect that realization on Sept 13th if that is in fact the correct timing to commence the global reset.

And this coincides with the Pope's trip to the United Nations, where he is expected to announce global unity of some sort, right on the heals of the fourth blood moon, like Sept 28th?


Also, one thing that has never been mentioned in a public setting was observed ~12 months prior to "Event X", as a psychic awareness/observation that a major disturbance was in the works this fall. Back in March timeframe the 'scrubbers' blocked further observation of "Event X", but for me it was too late for them - already caught wind of the event, and the realization that the timeline "has stopped moving", as reflected by the date stamp in
www.wonksmedia.com/555plan.pdf

Yea, we haven't heard from Todd in awhile. This pdf he did was highlighted here many times, although I don't think it got the attention it deserved.


An analysis of expected events based upon everything reviewed since that time (August 24, 2014) has produced the following conclusions:

Yes, these conclusions you have highlighted should be a part of anyone's consciousness who is paying attention, and we should be as prepared as possible, but I would like to highlight the interview with Princess Kaoru Nakamaru hidden in this Lindsay William's thread and the message of a "Spiritual Renaissance" as opposed to the continual focus on the recent shenanigans of the "loonie-naughties" and the doom and gloom approach of some of the purveyors who want to align themselves with the alternative information and news which is pure in truth. They are not helping the energy.

The level of distortion and noise is very high, and the distractions are being thrown at us daily, to keep us from the spiritual renaissance which is emerging. The message, for me, is to take full responsibility for all our emanations from our energy fields out into the collective, and to clean out our closets of discordant energy and come from a place of fully heart centered and balanced empathy.

It's time to stop supporting the psychopaths whose claim to the "divine right to rule this planet" is over. So, all of the systems and institutions which are crumbling around us, all of the sacred memes we hold, the beliefs on how things are, the shaking of the very foundations of society, need to occur for a new paradigm to emerge. The old paradigm is dying, I think we can all agree upon that.

The only question then becomes, how painful and how chaotic will the shift into a new paradigm be? Will you help the old structures crumble by not supporting them anymore? Will you help create the new structures, the new empathic unity?

We each have to decide.

[t2016]

The 1st step??

South Carolina takes down Confederate flag – as it happened
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2015/jul/10/south-carolina-takes-down-confederate-flag

[TODD & NORA]

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[observer]

I think we are all ignoring the Elephant-In-The-Room. While the members debate one another regarding detailed nuances of the symptoms of this disease, the psychopaths running the Break-Away Civilization have an Ultimate Plan that is hiding in plane site.

I focus the membership's attention to a comment posted by Paula (RunningDeer) in the CERN Thread, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77253-Should-Humanity-Be-Con-CERN-ed&p=976987&viewfull=1#post976987). The interview begins at the 32:50 mark.

This could be the most important bit of information regarding what is planed for this fall that has come to the surface. Please listen to the interview.

Also, please don't allow Anthony Patch's Christian tendencies to cause one to ignore this information. Anthony Patch knows what he is talking about concerning CERN.

[East Sun]

..............Thank you, Alex Jones
for spelling out the facts regarding this 'pope' and how deceptive he is.......



poor people, especially, are controlled by politicians who are, in turn, controlled.

Hope the internet is not compromised and can be free to inform us of facts we need to know for a long time to come, but it could end if we don't
do whatever we can to keep it ALIVE.

[TODD & NORA]

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[Redstar Kachina]

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[Bill Ryan]

The Great Bifurcation of the Human Collective

...as good a title as I could come up with for September 2015. Most will remain entrenched within the current paradigm, as the desires for sex/food/fame/power/possessions will keep nearly everyone stuck in this current reality...few will ascend in September.

https://books.google.com/books?id=S3BXsFJ5aZYC&pg=PA838&lpg=PA838&dq=desire+sex+four+generals+percival&source=bl&ots=a_bAhcHU_G&sig=PwRJy8AF4fa-PYqwkQFXkvyRrKM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VE6iVceZE8ivoQTPi6WACg&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=desire%20sex%20four%20generals%20percival&f=false

Bible readers commonly refer to this as the beginning of Tribulation, a seven year period that will be cut short by cosmological intervention, perhaps around the 2019-2020 period.


Here's the book:

http://projectavalon.net/Thinking_and_Destiny_Harold_W_Percival.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/Thinking_and_Destiny_Harold_W_Percival.pdf

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Redstar Kachina]

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[Bill Ryan]

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Here's Lindsay Williams' latest newsletter (a few days old now, I believe). All the emphasis and style is copied from the original article.

http://lindseywilliams.net/warning-emergency-bulletin-from-chaplin-lindsey-williams





WARNING!
The New World Order Will Be Implemented In September!
The New World Currency Will Be Introduced In October!
We Are At the Brink of Total Worldwide Financial Collapse!
TAKE ACTION NOW!


Pastor Lindsey Williams has asked me to compile an emergency bulletin for those on his email list. The information is so important he has said: “This is probably the most important bulletin we have ever sent – This is the fulfilment of everything the Elite have ever wanted to do – It will affect every human being, worldwide – They will implement this over a period of time – The dates have now been officially set for the start of implementation.”

The New World Order Will Be Implemented In September!

http://www.lindseywilliams.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/pope-francis-united-nations-un.png

The Roman Catholic Pope just announced when he speaks at the United Nations on the 25th September 2015 that he will issue an ENCYCLICAL – The definition of an encyclical is – A letter from the Pope sent to all Roman Catholic Bishops throughout the world. Every Roman Catholic is EXPECTED to obey. There are 1.2 billion Roman Catholics around the world.

According to Pastor Williams this means that when the Pope announces the New World Order in front of the annual gathering of world leaders on September 25th, 2015 at the United Nations just before the signing and implementation of the ‘Post-2015 Development Agenda’ that the Pope will order every Roman Catholic around the world to obey unconditionally – total obedience – including the acceptance of the Mark of the Beast when it is announced.

In the newsletter Pastor Williams issued in June it speaks about the visit of Pope Francis to the USA and what Holy See (The Vatican) is involved with in the United Nations (Global Government) and sustainable development (Agenda 21). Pastor Williams elaborates in detail in his DVD what this means in his new DVD ‘Things You Must Do Before September 15th, 2015’. (http://www.lindseywilliams.net/things-you-must-do-before-september-15th-2015-dvd)

The New World Currency Will Be Introduced In October!

http://www.lindseywilliams.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/christine-lagarde-imf-international-monetary-fund.png

On October 20th, 2015 the International Monetary Fund will announce a new world currency. The IMF is one of the most secretive and powerful organizations in the world. They monitor the financial health of more than 188 member countries. They establish global money rules and provide “bail-out” assistance to bankrupt nations.

On October 20th, 2015 the IMF is expected to announce a reserve currency alternative to the U.S. dollar, which will send hundreds of billions of dollars moving around the world, literally overnight.

The author of the most prominent financial newsletter says, “what is about to happen will threaten your way of life whether you own an investment related to it or not. It will change everything about your normal way of life: Where you vacation, where you send your kids or grandkids to school.

We Are At the Brink of Total Worldwide Financial Collapse!

Pastor Williams has shared with me some articles that truly tell you how frightening the global situation is. He said to me “This is getting more hysterical (Dangerous) by the day. If only people knew and believed how close to disaster we are. When this blows up – There has never been anything like it in the history of mankind.” Pastor Williams tried to tell you repeatedly for nearly 40 years!



Euro-Zone Financial Armageddon: (http://investmentwatchblog.com/euro-zone-financial-armageddon-the-combined-greek-italian-portugal-and-spain-euro-debt-represents-120-trillion-of-derivative-debt-aka-i-o-u-s-between-banks-and-the-ecb-has-no-cash-or-liquidity-in/) The combined Greek, Italian, Portugal and Spain euro debt represents $120 trillion of derivative debt aka I.O.U.s between banks and the ECB has no cash or liquidity in the system only derivative debt that compounds every day.



The BIS Nightmare That Will Send The World Into Panic: (http://dailyreckoning.com/the-bis-nightmare-that-will-send-the-world-into-panic/) The derivative position of US banks for Q1 2015 has just been published and the reading is more frightening than ever. The top 5 US banks have total a derivative exposure of $247 trillion. This is 3.5 times world GDP. Total derivatives for all banks in the world are just over $600 trillion. But these figures are less than half of the real exposure. A few years ago the BIS in Basel changed the basis of valuation of derivatives to “Value to Maturity.” This basically halved the value of outstanding derivatives overnight. Based on the old and proper valuation, the total outstanding today would probably be at least $1.5 quadrillion. And remember, when a counterparty fails, notional value is the real value that will be lost. It is absolutely guaranteed that this $1.5 quadrillion will implode in the next few years and drag the whole financial system with it. But before that process has finished, central banks worldwide will print a few quadrillion dollars, euros and yen in their desperate attempt. Pastor Williams Wall Street Insider friend said the following about this article “Thanks—good update. You’ve warned about this for years. This is why a “little” event like Greece, or another, could unravel the system.”



Citigroup Just Cornered The “Precious Metals” Derivatives Market: (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-04/why-did-citigroups-precious-metals-derivative-exposure-just-soar-1260) Citigroup’s Precious Metals (mostly silver now that gold is lumped in with FX), exposure over the past 4 years. Of note: the 1260% increase in Precious Metals derivative holdings in the past quarter, from just $3.9 billion to $53 billion! Soaring from just 17.4% to over 70%, there is just one word for what Citigroup has done to what the Precious Metals (excluding gold) – Cornering! Pastor Williams said “We live in a strange world of rapidly developing events. They are preparing for something big.”



News is coming in constantly from around the world as this newsletter was being prepared, check out these headlines: China is banning major pension fund shareholders from selling for six months. 54% of the entire Chinese stock market is frozen. Trading on the NYSE was suspended for a technical glitch with all open orders cancelled. Microsoft fires 7,800 employees. The Australian Dollar has hit a new low. Every day there is more news about the implosion of the global economy. You have to Take Action Now!


The bomb shells about the New World Order and the New Global Currency should give you the motivation to take action and prepare. Pastor Williams has been unveiling the truth behind the Elite plan for humanity and this planet for over 38 years. All of his DVDs will help you understand what is happening. You must prepare for September through December now, before it is too late. It is imperative that you obtain a copy of Pastor Williams’ latest DVD ‘Things You Must Do Before September 15th, 2015‘. (http://www.lindseywilliams.net/things-you-must-do-before-september-15th-2015-dvdhttp://www.lindseywilliams.net/things-you-must-do-before-september-15th-2015-dvd)

[araucaria]

Bill, your quote somehow lopped off the title of that webpage:


WARNING! Emergency Bulletin from Chaplin Lindsey Williams! It’s only a typo, but I’m a bit wary when a clergyman (chaplain) is presented as a comedian (Chaplin).

Then I have a question regarding the end of this piece:


You must prepare for September through December now, before it is too late. It is imperative that you obtain a copy of Pastor Williams’ latest DVD ‘Things You Must Do Before September 15th, 2015‘.
If buying that DVD is the first of those things you must do, it’s going to set you back $48 before you even get started. I would like to know if anyone on Avalon has bought this item. By way of comparison, Jay Weidner, who is not a clergyman but a… film-maker, sells his DVDs for $15-20.

[Jean-Luc]

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The Roman Catholic Pope just announced when he speaks at the United Nations on the 25th September 2015 that he will issue an ENCYCLICAL – The definition of an encyclical is – A letter from the Pope sent to all Roman Catholic Bishops throughout the world. Every Roman Catholic is EXPECTED to obey. There are 1.2 billion Roman Catholics around the world.

According to Pastor Williams this means that when the Pope announces the New World Order in front of the annual gathering of world leaders on September 25th, 2015 at the United Nations just before the signing and implementation of the ‘Post-2015 Development Agenda’ that the Pope will order every Roman Catholic around the world to obey unconditionally – total obedience – including the acceptance of the Mark of the Beast when it is announced.



This made me laughing laud.

And is total non sense. (1) 1.2 billions once christened (while a baby) people ? This doesn't turn anyone a subject of any moral figure such a pope. (2) Today catholic churches are mostly empty, at least in the West. (3) Anyone should know that a pope is not a position to promulgate any type of orders of obedience on its devotes. (4) Francis perhaps is not the smartest guy on earth but etc... etc...

Come on !

[HaveBlue]

Lindsays best contact died a few years ago. Since then his info has not been of the same quality. (His words) I really can't see the world taking anything on the chin from the paedophile cabal, that includes the vatican.

[MalteseKnight]

Part of the original plan already fell through...the idea was to take oil up to 200 USD a barrel in order to waterboard Western and other economies. What happened instead was that the ptb reduced oil prices in order to turn the thumbscrews of Putin's Imperial throwback (but non NWO) Russia, just like the ptb had crashed the Soviet economy in the Eighties when the Reagan led Western arms build up, coupled with artificially low oil prices (see US plus Saudi) had wrought an end to the Soviet Empire. Post Yalta, even Stalin worked out that he had been played by the real controllers and that was why towards the end he began to lash out in terms of intensifying anti Jewish purges, himself not quite managing to make the distinction between the Zionists and the Jewish people. There is one element among others that may yet confound the controllers; there still exist considerable stocks of national [European] currencies that could come into play. A case in point is the French Franc, that to this day is still being,albeit on a low level, in certain parts of France. A upswing of this trend in a pan European fashion could have an interesting effect...Then again, there could be opposition to the ptb even from other quarters. One of the reasons why the UK did not adopt the Euro was that there was covert, but intense opposition from some of Britain's most powerful landowners.

[ThePythonicCow]

Part of the original plan already fell through...the idea was to take oil up to 200 USD a barrel in order to waterboard Western and other economies. What happened instead was that the ptb reduced oil prices in order to turn the thumbscrews of Putin's Imperial throwback (but non NWO) Russia, just like the ptb had crashed the Soviet economy in the Eighties when the Reagan led Western arms build up, coupled with artificially low oil prices(see US plus Saudi) had wrought an end to the Soviet Empire. Post Yalta, even Stalin worked out that he had been played by the real controllers and that was why towards the end he began to lash out in terms of intensifying anti Jewish purges, himself not quite managing to make the distinction between the Zionists and the Jewish people. There is one element among others that may yet confound the controllers; there still exist considerable stocks of national currencies that could come into play. A case in point is the French Franc, that to this day is still being,albeit on a low level, in certain parts of France. A upswing of this trend in a pan European fashion could have an interesting effect...Then again, there could be opposition to the ptb even from other quarters. One of the reasons why the UK did not adopt the Euro was that there was covert but intense opposition from some of Britain's most powerful landowners.
The price of oil in US Dollars has declined, because the US Dollar has been rising on the Forex markets. Look at those two charts - oil (in US dollars) and dollars (vs other currencies). There is almost a perfect inverse correlation. The US Dollar has been, at its basis, the petro-dollar, since Kissinger visited Saudi Arabia in the early 1970's, and in times of stress, such as now, this is quite evident. The US Dollar has been rising on the Forex markets because all the other currencies have been failing,and failure starts at the weaker edges and moves to the center (that being the NY Fed and the US Treasury).

Jim Willie (of the HatTrick Letter (http://www.goldenjackass.com/)) predicts that the dollar will rise, and rise and rise ... then fail, to be replaced, with a domestic US Treasury issued dollar. I suspect he's right.

All currencies in the US Dollar denominated monetary system are failing, the US Dollar last, because that monetary system is breaking down, from the outside in, and will not recover. It will collapse.

The price of oil in US Dollars is not declining as part of some scheme to punish Putin; that's a cover story. The US fracking industry, about the last industry still getting substantial "investments" (extended debt) is collapsing as a result of the decline in the price of oil. They borrowed under the assumption that they could get over $100 per barrel, and now they are lucky to get $50. They are failing, laying off, closing shop, and going bankrupt, left and right. Putin is doing just fine.

Those "stocks of national currencies" won't be worth the paper they are printed on ... the ink makes the paper worth less than toilet paper ... too scratchy ... unless the nation has stores of gold or some resource they can sell or something they can make. It will take a year or three for the US to find such, as we have been converted to a "service" economy ... but we'll figure it out ... after some serious economic depression. Meanwhile, Federal Reserve Notes will cease being the world's dominant currency, and cease being accepted in exchange for purchases of oil or manufactured goods or other resources or farm produce from other nations.

All this will soon become more evident, probably in good part before the end of this calendar year 2015.

[East Sun]

Only Catholics in the poorest countries will obey the pope no matter what he says, the rest are more aware of the manipulation by the Church, at least I hope so.

[mgray]

If you know this Pope, you would understand the last thing he would do was to propagate a New World Order through an encyclical since by definition an encyclical is a letter concerning Catholic doctrine, not lay economic theory.
Pope Francis comes from a poor area of Argentina and is well aware of how economic repression by the some harms the many.

[MalteseKnight]

Don't be naive...

I suggest you go through the entire second series of the V series very, very carefully. It is replete with predictive programming.

VUQ-bORyTEM

You might want to closely observe the behavior of the Catholic hierarchy/priests in the series.

[MalteseKnight]

Thanks Paul for having opened a discussion...while I do not necessarily agree with you, I think that we both share the opinion that a number of pieces of the jigsaw puzzle are still missing.

[mgray]

Don't be naive...

I suggest you go through the entire second series of the V series very, very carefully. It is replete with predictive programming.

VUQ-bORyTEM

You might want to closely observe the behavior of the Catholic hierarchy/priests in the series.

I must be naive, I don't look to TV fiction for economic theory. And here I thought studying finance and history gave me insight into monetary matters and my faith. How naive.

[Limor Wolf]

Not Lindsey Williams, but not too far. This interview with Alt energy insider may be of interest here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-VtwF9d4n0

[Hazelfern]

This fellow really sounds sincere. I'm leaning towards a 'natural' event. If it were engineered then we would have no one stepping forward to warn us to prepare to ride it out. That's my opinion and it makes sense only to me I suppose.