Any suggestions on this...?

[Swami]

Nibiru - Sakloth - Its visible NOW



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TvUz6s-7nI

Who can explain this for me please...:confused:

[Teakai]

Wow.
What does that mean? There are 2 unidentified objects?

Sorry Swami - I can't explain, but it would be great if someone could. This astronomy stuff is fascinating. It's the first time I've heard of Sakloth.

George (Giorinino (sp???) ) mentioned that Niburu was now visible in his interview that was posted here recently.

[Martin]

This seems to be quit interesting ... but I have no clue either. I have to say though that I am very glad that I have not seen such a intense "chemtrailed" sky here in germany. At least not over Leipzig.


MfG

Martin

[shadowstalker]

Funny just watch the Sci-Fi channel this past weekend and they had a movie called IMPACTED(I think that was the name), the story line go that a brown dwarf star crashes into the moon and then the moon crash to earth.

[Solphilos]

Yeah, lots of folks these days claiming that they have witnessed 'Nibiru', but how come no-one else is seeing it, or why are there no more pictures of this supposed object? If it was indeed between us and the sun, we would definitely know about it, and no amount of cover-up could hide the fact.

[Teakai]

I had a look for it yesterday - nearly burnt my retinas out.

[jcocks]

Never underestimate the power of your peers.

All it would take is a quick "Don't be stupid" to shut most people up. We don't want to be seen in a negative light by others, so we'll quickly dismiss things if our peers tell us to.

Having said this, if Nibiru really was visible, the voices saying "Look ! It really is there!" will get louder and louder, it'll just take time.

[Fredkc]

Oct. 2011 eh?

Who can explain this for me please...
Tell you what, tell me who did the closing credits music, and I'll s'plain why you wanna be off-planet by 10/2012.

Shadow;
Unless the brown dwarf is the size of a potato, if it hits the moon, we won't have to worry what happens next.

I disagree with Kemmer's notion about "Why chemtrails", but the rest of it was kinda interesting.
Fred

[Fredkc]

Thread unintentionally closed by mistake. (sometimes my hands are faster'n my brain)
Apologies.
Fred

[Carmody]

Ok. I listened to the closing credits and I ain't got a glue (sniff). A bunch'a'munks wit gitars. I thinks.

[Humble Janitor]

Hmm. I *know* there has to be more up there than what we're seeing with the unaided eye.

[witchy1]

Looks ominous to me! There must be lots of others who can see them???? Fred, waiting for your comments :-)

[Teakai]

Yes, Fred, now you know it's a bunch of chipmunks with guitars - spill it - please.
:)

[truthseekerdan]

For those into Planet X (Nibiru) research there is a website that deals extensively with it. I've been following it (on & off) for a few years now: http://yowusa.com/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0bj76389U&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Playlist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0bj76389U&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

[bashi]

Nibiru - Sakloth - Its visible NOW

Who can explain this for me please...:confused:

Some body uses his mobile phone to make pictures out of the car while driving, and got - surprise, surprise - multiple artefacts on the pic.
He can't stop for even 30 seconds to make a better pic, but can waste hours to make a vid about it.
I would be really surprised if he can make a follow-up video.

[Swami]

Oct. 2011 eh?

Tell you what, tell me who did the closing credits music, and I'll s'plain why you wanna be off-planet by 10/2012.

Shadow;
Unless the brown dwarf is the size of a potato, if it hits the moon, we won't have to worry what happens next.

I disagree with Kemmer's notion about "Why chemtrails", but the rest of it was kinda interesting.
Fred


Rumor has it that Jamie Lyons (RIP) of Music Explosion & Capital City Rockets fame teamed up with Rick Derringer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8uH76COzk8

Hard to find Grampa....

[TimeRazor]

For those into Planet X (Nibiru) research there is a website that deals extensively with it. I've been following it (on & off) for a few years now: http://yowusa.com/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0bj76389U&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Playlist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0bj76389U&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

The voice of Garfield the cat! Hahaha! Impossible to get excited on so much prozac...

[Kulapops]

Everything comes down to probability.

There is a probability that there is such a thing as Nibiru.

There is also a probability that an asteroid the size of a potato is going to land on my head tomorrow. Killing me, and leaving the rest of humanity completely unscathed. If you believe in a quantum world, just ask yourself which probabilities you want to look forward to... When me packing out Wembley Arena to adoring fans probably has a similar level of probability attached to it... I know which one I'm looking forward to.

Face it, the mundane probability is that most of us are going to grow old and die, without anything spectacular like this happening (or disclosure, or insert favourite neurosis here).

This is why they invented imagination... to spice up your life. Don't leave the gas turned on with it.

:)

[Carrera]

Thank you for this video, Swami!

This was very interesting, had no idea that there are several unknown? "objects" so close to us at all.

The explanation for chemtrails partly makes sense to me, as I noticed lately that they are spraying heavily when the sky is clear, and its now always in front and around the sun. I don't think it's the whole explanation, but a great part of it. Cover it up, and hope no-one notices, so people don't freak out....

[Kulapops]

The explanation for chemtrails partly makes sense to me, as I noticed lately that they are spraying heavily when the sky is clear, and its now always in front and around the sun. .

Interesting thought Carrera. Can we look at this one?

Let's say it's completely cloudy. The sky could be full of chemtrails and you would not notice them. They could be 'spraying' above the cloud then as well.

so I don't think that the idea that they spray to fill clear skies makes sense. You see trails only when the skies are clear because you won't see them when there is cloud cover.

The whole ...'they were out there today, spraying..' line just makes me smile when people write this. Just because it's clear and there are trails in the sky. For we know (if this were true) they are out there every day spraying come rain or shine. c'mon.. they've got a population to poison! Why take days off??? Out of sight out of mind. They either do it or they don't. I really don't think someone goes... 'oh.. it's a nice day today, fellas... better start up Enola Gay...'

Chemtrails is a very emotive issue. I don't believe every trail I see in the sky is the government spraying me with toxic chemicals. that's not to say that something doesn't go on, but again, do we want to live in a world where we believe that every trail is a government plot ?

[Carrera]

You definately have a point there, I have been thinking so too, that they might spray even if its cloudy or gray. My point was only that you can see them best when the sky is clear, and THEN they are spraying in front of the sun. I noticed this lately, was not so much that before the last weeks, as I noticed. So if you got that i said they were only doing this when clear sky, you misunderstood my point. I am pretty sure they are poisining us too, I notice some days are worse then others, and then I get flue-like symptoms, like a flue is coming, and often i now can relate it to the chemtrails.... (even before looking at the sky!) It has'nt have to be either or, it might be several reasons! And who is to say it isn't different "sprayings" too? :thumb:


Interesting thought Carrera. Can we look at this one?

Let's say it's completely cloudy. The sky could be full of chemtrails and you would not notice them. They could be 'spraying' above the cloud then as well.

so I don't think that the idea that they spray to fill clear skies makes sense. You see trails only when the skies are clear because you won't see them when there is cloud cover.

The whole ...'they were out there today, spraying..' line just makes me smile when people write this. Just because it's clear and there are trails in the sky. For we know (if this were true) they are out there every day spraying come rain or shine. c'mon.. they've got a population to poison! Why take days off??? Out of sight out of mind. They either do it or they don't. I really don't think someone goes... 'oh.. it's a nice day today, fellas... better start up Enola Gay...'

Chemtrails is a very emotive issue. I don't believe every trail I see in the sky is the government spraying me with toxic chemicals. that's not to say that something doesn't go on, but again, do we want to live in a world where we believe that every trail is a government plot ?

[Kulapops]

Well.. as with so much of the information presented at Avalon, I have absolutley no idea what is true and what is not. So I'm not about to piously stand on an orange box and tell you what the truth of the matter is, because I don't know.

I have a sneaking suspicion that no one does. Well, none of the general public like you and I anyhow. Read it somewhere? Does that make it true ? Seen a convincing vid? Heard a convincing argument? None of this makes it true or false.

I could say that it's purely down to atmospheric conditions, this seems logical to me, but I don't know this as fact.

For sure, if you put salt in a beaker of water, there comes a point when the water can not absorb any more salt and it just sits in the bottom of the glass. The same is true of the atmosphere, if it is particularly dry, it will absorb the moisture in con trails and they 'disappear'.

If the atmosphere is laden with water droplets, it cannot take anymore (like the beaker) so they hang in the sky. the fact that contrails are prevalent at certain times of day (say early morning) or year... could be a possible indication that it is indeed a natural phenomenon.

This is logical to me, and I agree there may be more to this. But I've seen enough flaky theories on Avalon to start a whole new range of breakfast cereals. So just because it sounds good, in fact, precisely because it sounds exciting, is no reason for me to believe it's true.

The one whole (another pesky Kula homophone) in the entire logic, is why would anyone spray anything that is dangerous to everyone, even themselves? And if the intention is to poison everyone, why not take a couple of days and do the whole planet and sit back and enjoy the carnage? This is not James Bond.. so why give us time to escape.. why do it in such an obvious way, that everyone knows about chemtrails ?!

Sometimes there is a loophole in conspiracy logic so big you can put your foot through it.

[MorningSong]

Interesting vid, Swami! Thank-you!

The fact that so many people are seeing and trying to photograph what they see, hoping that the modern-day "pictures" render their experience justice (I, too, am one of them) is enough to keep me on the edge of my chair....waiting for popular confirmation that something IS out there.... whatever it might be.

Fred, I think the music is by a group called Era. see: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_%28gruppo_musicale%29

[bashi]

The guy is having his "glitches"...
He uploaded the pic and also 3 new vids, but no new "evidence". He still has to digest his own making...
I am very sceptical about his pic, but who knows...
Todays weather did not make it possible for him to make new pics.
But if anybody can do it from a car in the morning, then youtube should be flodded by now with many vids. Isn't it?
Anyhow, thats just me and for the complete story, here the

pics:


http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2184/nibiruindianausa1.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/nibiruindianausa1.jpg/)

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2500/nibiruindianausa2.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/nibiruindianausa2.jpg/)

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/889/nibiruindianausa3.jpg (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/nibiruindianausa3.jpg/)


and vids:





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As i said, the guy has issues and has NOT provided another pic/vid.
My opinion: :crazy_pilot::crazy_pilot::crazy_pilot:

[lightblue]

As i said, the guy has issues and has NOT provided another pic/vid.
My opinion:[


hope you are right...

i'll be keeping an eye on the sky..maybe people here can report things if they see anything like this .. l

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[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.astrobio.net/includes/preview.php?gen=../images/banneralbum_images/Banneralbum_845.jpg&widthVal=450


A dark object may be lurking near our solar system, occasionally kicking comets in our direction.

Nicknamed “Nemesis” or “The Death Star,” this undetected object could be a red or brown dwarf star, or an even darker presence several times the mass of Jupiter.

Why do scientists think something could be hidden beyond the edge of our solar system? Originally, Nemesis was suggested as a way to explain a cycle of mass extinctions on Earth.

The paleontologists David Raup and Jack Sepkoski claim that, over the last 250 million years, life on Earth has faced extinction in a 26-million-year cycle. Astronomers proposed comet impacts as a possible cause for these catastrophes.

full story (http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/3427/getting-wise-about-nemesis)

ahhh... so the Mayan Calendar being 26,000 years might have been off by a little...

We still have 25,974,000 years yet to go before Nibiru swings by us again...

[Swami]

Revisiting Old News Articles About the 10th Planet, AKA Planet X, Nibiru, Nemesis, Wormwood, Destroyer,

http://rabbithole2.com/news/top_news/revisiting_old_planet_x_nibiru_destroyer_10th_planet_news.php

[lightblue]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr9fRIIziXY

. l

[Deega]

Hi,

I did Photoshop filtering, and two interesting photos came out. Aside from the Sun (Black dot first photo), there are three stars here. And I don't know what to make of the open lines coming from the left corner coming down...!, probably chemtrails...?

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Interesting.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Martin]

why would anyone spray anything that is dangerous to everyone, even themselves? And if the intention is to poison everyone, why not take a couple of days and do the whole planet and sit back and enjoy the carnage? This is not James Bond.. so why give us time to escape.. why do it in such an obvious way, that everyone knows about chemtrails ?!

Sometimes there is a loophole in conspiracy logic so big you can put your foot through it.


Well actually it is said, that the various materials in the chemtrails such as barium, aluminium and others could be connected to HAARP. You probably know already what that is. Sure we life in a world of theories and in the end the proof of any pie is in the eating, but personally I do think that chemtrails are real and that they are there for specific purposes.


MfG


Martin

[Kulapops]

yeah.. but if they're harmful what president is going to want to breathe them in to their body and their children's bodies ?

I mean.. target a water supply.. and you can choose not to drink from it. the white house could even filter out contaminants. But pollute the air ? It makes no sense at all...

[Martin]

But pollute the air ? It makes no sense at all...


You just rendered most of the "well-known" industrialzed civilizations of this planet useless!:p

Well, it's all about information. If one knows that the air he's breating is harmful than he can react upon that knowledge. If one doesn't, well than he probably could argue about the sense of "polluting the air" anyway.

But I fully agree with you. All we know is what we believe to be true. What is true ... well I believe ...


going to bed
nighty night

Martin

[Kulapops]

haha.. I mean pollute in a particularly dreadful fashion that is concerned with poisoning. I agree, air is polluted enough as it is. go live in mexico city... no conspiracy there !

I just think if I was hatching some diabolical plan and I have limitless resources at my fingertips, I would not place myself in danger. so the air pollution thing is a non-starter from my hideous drawing board...

[Teakai]

Maybe chemtrails about polluting, but masking.

No chemtrails over here (touchwood), maybe it's something to do with our earth position in relation to the sun. That chemtrails exist is official - apparently. Well, as official as you can get without the government telling you.

[Ross]

Maybe chemtrails about polluting, but masking.

No chemtrails over here (touchwood), maybe it's something to do with our earth position in relation to the sun. That chemtrails exist is official - apparently. Well, as official as you can get without the government telling you.

Byron Bay has many trails, also noticed here in Noosa of late...many reports of trails in all OZ cites and NZ.

[Teakai]

Byron Bay has many trails, also noticed here in Noosa of late...many reports of trails in all OZ cites and NZ.

Are those places in flight paths, Ross?

And what are they coming from, large jets or just planes for the purpose of making chemtrails?

I do hear a plane at night and early morning (can;t recall if I've alwasy heard it and have only now, with the chemtrails, become aware of them - but our day time skies are clear as - unless it's naturally cloudy.

[TraineeHuman]

Take a look at the second of Kemner's photos, as Bashi showed them above. Notice how Nibiru has a nose pointing to the left? Also a a great big smile? Also large eyes -- or are they sunglasses? In the sixties and seventies the moon used to look like it had something that was almost a face on it, hence all the popular references to "the man in the moon" back then. But I think this beats it easily. Is Kemner laughing himself silly right now?
http://img194.imageshack.us/i/nibiruindianausa2.jpg/

[Bill Ryan]

Nibiru - Sakloth - Its visible NOW

Who can explain this for me please...:confused:

No problem. :)

Listen up, folks: no-one's going to get a photo of 'Nibiru' on their cellphone while driving to work which tens of thousands of amateur astronomers the world over have somehow missed.

He may have captured a couple of UFOs. Remember, they're up there all the time, and are no longer even particularly unusual.

As for the idea of the 'Christ Cross' in the sky - that's when I stopped listening. (I almost switched off at the very start when he said that Eris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28dwarf_planet%29) was Nibiru.)

[bashi]

Now here comes my Nibiru-vid:


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[Harley]

Wow Bashi, You sure know how to ruin the mood! LOL!

[Bill Ryan]

Now here comes my Nibiru-vid:


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"The problem is an absence of basic astronomy knowledge, along with a healthy dose of jumping to conclusions."

Exactly.

I'm not a Planet X debunker. Our solar system (like the majority out there) is a binary system.

'Planet X' is a brown dwarf star which is out there somewhere near the orbit of Jupiter on an eccentric, inclined orbit. It's headed this way and will be much hyped (when eventually announced) - a terrific and very convenient distraction while the globalists all get on with their agenda elsewhere.

My understanding is that it will not cause the huge problems that are hyped.

[Bea]

Teakai re No chemtrails over here (touchwood), maybe it's something to do with our earth position in relation to the sun. That chemtrails exist is official - apparently. Well, as official as you can get without the government telling you.
We have heaps of them in country Victoria, have for at least 3 years. Melbourne also sprayed very frequently.
Here is a video done in '08 of chemtrail spraying in Oz. It doesn't feature where I am either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsyHCbFxqPQ&feature=related

This morning at dawn they were across the sky from east to west, so they were sprayed before daylight. This is not uncommon.

[Ross]

Are those places in flight paths, Ross?

And what are they coming from, large jets or just planes for the purpose of making chemtrails?

I do hear a plane at night and early morning (can;t recall if I've alwasy heard it and have only now, with the chemtrails, become aware of them - but our day time skies are clear as - unless it's naturally cloudy.

Yes, they are on flight paths. However, they are very high in altitude, I struggle to see the planes with my 60x20's bino's.

There is a case in which more people are hearing about them and looking up noticing, but were they always there? many think not and flights have not grown to that extent.

Regards

Ross

[Elandiel BernElve]

Hey Kula,

Concerning chemtrails.. if you haven't you might want to research the subject first before saying around it's illogic to poison our air.
Who said it's poisoning just for the purpose to poison air?

to my knowlegde the reasons could be
It's been a HAARP amplifier (creating a bounce effect over the curvature of the earth)
It's been an electro magentic shield against solar radiation to prevent a fallout of our electrical grid and hardware
It's been a shield to prevent global warming (reflecting sunlight and heat)
It's been a bio weapon designed to affect specific human races by genetic altered particles that would affect only the desired target.
(multiple exotic organic materials have been said to be found in sample of chemtrails)

never has it been said to be just random poisoning of the air for fun...

I thought it was early this year, I'd procured a 300+ page document of the first european independant research of the chemtrail phenomenon.
Scientific, thourough and extremely profound. It's the first multinational attempt for recognition of the problem.
When published it had been send to all governments, embassies and press bureaus.

I passed a copy to Bill and Kerry.
Never have I heard anything about it again in the news nor from Camelot which is a pitty...

I'm at work now so I can't give the links nor upload the 300+ page document that had been made by the Belfort Group.

[Deega]

"The problem is an absence of basic astronomy knowledge, along with a healthy dose of jumping to conclusions."

Exactly.

I'm not a Planet X debunker. Our solar system (like the majority out there) is a binary system.

'Planet X' is a brown dwarf star which is out there somewhere near the orbit of Jupiter on an eccentric, inclined orbit. It's headed this way and will be much hyped (when eventually announced) - a terrific and very convenient distraction while the globalists all get on with their agenda elsewhere.

My understanding is that it will not cause the huge problems that are hyped.

Thanks Bill,

May you tell what I should know, that I don't, on your following sentence.


My understanding is that it will not cause the huge problems that are hyped.

We (I) were (was) held to believe with high probability that very big events (tsunami, Earthquakes, erupting Volcanoes, etc) would be happening on Earth with the passing of Nibiru, was it the worst scenario case...?, I guess you have another less damaging one..., don't you...?, may you share...!

Many thanks and my blessings.

Deega

[Fredkc]

I'm at work now so I can't give the links nor upload the 300+ page document that had been made by the Belfort Group.
I just tried a search on this, and the only copy I found (cross linked by thousands) comes back as a corrupt file.

So I went to the Belfort Group site (http://www.belfort-group.eu/), and this is not my language, and is barely one I am good at guessing at. If someone else can find a link to the pdf file, please do.
Fred

By the way...
everything I've found tells me that chemtrails are basically a HAARP enhancer.
They aren't about us.
It's worse, they couldn't care less what they do to us.

[Elandiel BernElve]

I'm done working in 10 minutes. I've got the entire document with sources and attachments on my hard drive. I'll post it later.

Bless

[bashi]

I'm done working in 10 minutes. I've got the entire document with sources and attachments on my hard drive. I'll post it later.

Bless

Let me suggest to start a new threat with this doc.

or post into this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8208-UV-radiation-and-chemtrails

[Rocky_Shorz]

well don't forget that our ozone layer is from UV rays bouncing back from earth, by enhancing the reflection in our atmosphere it is helping to rebuild it faster...

not everything they are doing is to "hurt" the population, in their mind they are doing all they can to help, even if it is hurting the health of many of the population... CODB... cost of doing business...

[noxon medem]

Maybe this is relevant reading here on this thread :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/38339416/Case-Orange-10052010
Case Orange, from the Belfort Group
From documentation for a symposium on chemtrails and contrail science:
http://www.belfort-group.eu/content/chemtrail-symposium-documents

[Teakai]

Teakai re No chemtrails over here (touchwood), maybe it's something to do with our earth position in relation to the sun. That chemtrails exist is official - apparently. Well, as official as you can get without the government telling you.
We have heaps of them in country Victoria, have for at least 3 years. Melbourne also sprayed very frequently.
Here is a video done in '08 of chemtrail spraying in Oz. It doesn't feature where I am either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsyHCbFxqPQ&feature=related

This morning at dawn they were across the sky from east to west, so they were sprayed before daylight. This is not uncommon.

Thanks Bea, guess that puts paid to the masking theory :)

I read a while back - can't remember where - that the swine flu shots (present or perhaps future doses) were going to react with some chemical in the air.
Now, if you were one of the b&stards that be you wouldn't take the shot which would keep yu in the clear.

They are spraying the stuff - it's obviously not an out and out posion or they'd be breathing the stuff in too.

Curioser and curioser.

[Teakai]

well don't forget that our ozone layer is from UV rays bouncing back from earth, by enhancing the reflection in our atmosphere it is helping to rebuild it faster...

not everything they are doing is to "hurt" the population, in their mind they are doing all they can to help, even if it is hurting the health of many of the population... CODB... cost of doing business...

Do you think the oil rig disaster in the gulf was an accident, then, Rocky - even though it was foretold on the movie 'knowing'?


Anything that hurts the earth hurts the population - these are smart men, they have to know this.

As do poisons and crap in vacinnes.

If they were doing something beneficial, good PR would be to tell people that chemtrailing was all about helping fix the ozone layer and keeping people safe - that way people would be all for it.


Everything these people do IMO has a bottom line of control or dollars. We are just another animal in their eyes.