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Rocky_Shorz
17th July 2015, 14:22
after a hundred years of oil production, oil companies every year have a fart to jack up Gas prices to the consumer. Doesn't matter how small a problem, it cripples production long enough to cause a shortage.

This is critical infrastructure and should be considered a national security concern.

but year after year the same thing happens.

why not build more refineries?

why not build more storage?

There is no reason a years supply of oil shouldn't be ready for consumers, the refiners are run at 30% production to keep supplies tight.

this needs to change.

start by buying up this one and put people to work building storage facilities to hold excess production...

"Exxon Mobil Corp's planned sale of its Los Angeles-area oil refinery has been delayed until early next year at the earliest following a severe fire in February, four people familiar with the transaction said.

The 155,000-barrel-a-day plant was put on the block in September, and a handful of bidders including a West Coast private equity group had been short-listed, according to two of the people.

However, the process slowed following a Feb. 18 fire that badly damaged an electrostatic precipitator, a component of a gasoline-producing unit. The site had a subsequent small fire in March.

The sale will not take place until the plant is fully repaired, which could put it in the first quarter of 2016, according to the sources.

"A deal was imminent but for the fire," said one of the four people, who declined to be named because the matter was not public.

Exxon is selling as oil majors look at jettisoning refineries that do not fit well with their other assets. While few refineries are currently going through auctions, activity is expected to ramp up if oil prices stabilize.

The plant has received bids from private equity firms including NTR Partners and refiners such as PBF Energy, according two of the sources. The plant could provide an entry point to the West Coast for either company.

PBF did not make the short list before the fire, said another source familiar with the deal. However, the slate of bidders may change after the incident.

"California is the toughest place in the U.S. to operate," Chief Executive Officer Tom Nimbley told Reuters last week. "We are not afraid - we are somewhat contrarian."

NTR Partners did not return requests for comment. The Los Angeles-based company is an energy firm with a focus on West Coast investments, according to its website. One partner, Mario Rodriguez, was a co-founder of Northern Tier Energy LLC, which purchased a Minnesota-based refinery.

One of the people said Exxon has been working to unload refineries that are not integrated with chemical plants and do not run North American crude. The Los Angeles plant is one of Exxon's four refineries in the United States that do not have an adjacent chemical plant. A second, in Chalmette, Louisiana, which Exxon operates jointly with Petroleos de Venezuela, is currently on the block.

The other two refineries that are not integrated are located in Joliet, Illinois, and Billings, Montana, and process North American crude oil. "As a matter of practice, we do not comment on market speculation or rumor," said Todd Spitler, a spokesman for Exxon Mobil. " linki1 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/01/us-refinery-sale-exxon-mobil-idUSKBN0MS5AF20150401)

oil men aren't brain surgeons...

maybe it's time to put someone in charge with an IQ over 60

Fiberglut
17th July 2015, 14:29
Should repressed free energy technologies be made available to humanity?

Selkie
17th July 2015, 14:45
I can see this happening:

--The refineries are nationalized.

--They are repaired and/or new ones are built at taxpayer expense by the very same companies who built the old ones, using illegal immigrant labor, just like the fracking industry does.

http://www.rockthecapital.com/06/01/marcellus-related-companies-boosting-profits-hiring-illegal-immigrants/

--The government sells the new or refurbished refineries back to those very same companies at rock-bottom prices.

--Fuel prices go back up to where they were in the first place.

Not that I disagree with you, btw. I see your point entirely. But neither the gov't nor the oil companies can be relied upon to act honorably, and the taxpayer always, always, always, gets screwed.

p.s. The government, itself, does not seem to consider the refineries to be a national security issue, which to me is very telling.

Selkie
17th July 2015, 14:51
Should repressed free energy technologies be made available to humanity?

I said to someone years ago (can't remember who I said it to) that before repressed free energy technology will be allowed to be made available, the entire energy system as we now know it will be sold off to the taxpayers somehow. It is a huge white elephant, they need to get rid of it, and they will palm it off on the taxpayers if they can.

risveglio
17th July 2015, 14:57
maybe it's time to put someone in charge with an IQ over 60

Where are you going to find someone in the government with an IQ over 60?

Fiberglut
17th July 2015, 15:04
Silkie, I personally believe it's more of a consciousness/awareness thing, that when critical mass is hit, and enough people believe it's possible, then it happens!

Selkie
17th July 2015, 15:08
Silkie, I personally believe it's more of a consciousness/awareness thing, that when critical mass is hit, and enough people believe it's possible, then it happens!

It would be wonderful if it happens. I am old enough to remember when the electric companies were public utilities, and it was a much better system.

Carmody
17th July 2015, 15:13
Yes, the issue is corporate oligarchical fascism.

Imperialism hiding behind the given scenarios, doing it's best to occupy all movements and motions; in order to stay in charge, to remain the parasite in the backdrop, unseen by the masses.

Like the tick, as it grows, it presence is finally noted, due to greed, greed for control, greed for more.

it is, at heart, a 'gimme more' thing, so it eventually reveals itself, via the unyielding growth and eventual visible presence of it's own excess.

To rid one's self of it, requires chasing it back down the trail of it's presence, like a lighting strike that destroys even the roots.

Rocky_Shorz
17th July 2015, 15:36
I would take it as a good thing seeing oil companies selling out, that would show true clean energy is about to be released...

They are moving to water production...

That scares the bejesus out of me...

They fracked to make well water undrinkable throughout the country, protecting owned sources they will be selling to the public. A bottle of water is already more expensive than gas...

They haven't even started spreading the fear factor...

Israeli bankers are in charge of desalinization plants for southern cal...

After it is pumped into the main supply, then news reports will start mentioning Plutonium is in the drinking water, the whole system needing replacing...

Seeing the future isn't pretty when surrounded by lunatics in charge driven by greed...

GK76
17th July 2015, 17:35
I doubt the nation (de jure) will take control, it will simply pass to the corporate government (de facto). There is no way forward playing the corporate game.

ghostrider
19th July 2015, 00:02
I think the price of gas is critical and should be regulated at 45 cents a gallon just like back in the day ... fuel is one thing that should be at a fixed rate ... not traded on the stock market , it's something that drives the economy ...whatever makes it affordable , I'm in ...