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Cidersomerset

20th July 2015, 19:46

This may just be another PR stunt , as many in the alternate research comunity
believe E T 's exist and have visited in the past and are visiting Earth now and may
have been here long before and had a hand in creating us, and many related
theories. In fact with all the Exo planets discovered I would say we are becoming
the mainstream as many polls have said the public believes ET's must exist , and
the Royal institutes NASA etc , etc are trying to catch up. Last week I posted the
BBC article about Rendlesham Forrest which was a serious report , as opposed to
previous ones that have the usual ' little green men ' in it somewhere , this was
respectfull . I know we have had many false dawns , but the Rendlesham - Exo
planets - and now a new ET hunt programme was worth a thought imo ..LOL....

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Prof Stephen Hawking backs venture to listen for aliens

By Pallab Ghosh
Science correspondent, BBC News ..7 hours ago
From the section Science & Environment

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Prof Hawking says intelligent life elsewhere in the cosmos could already be aware of us

Prof Stephen Hawking has launched a new effort to answer the question of whether
there is life elsewhere in space.The venture is said to be the biggest yet in support of
the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence.The 10-year effort will listen for broadcast
signals from a million of the stars closest to Earth.The £64m ($100m) initiative was
launched by the Breakthrough Initiatives group at the Royal Society in London.

Speaking at the launch, Prof Hawking said: "Somewhere in the cosmos, perhaps,
intelligent life may be watching these lights of ours, aware of what they mean. "Or do
our lights wander a lifeless cosmos - unseen beacons, announcing that here, on one
rock, the Universe discovered its existence. Either way, there is no bigger question.
It's time to commit to finding the answer - to search for life beyond Earth.

"We are alive. We are intelligent. We must know."

Those behind the initiative claim it to be the biggest scientific search ever undertaken
for signs of intelligent life beyond Earth. They plan to cover 10 times more of the sky
than previous programmes and scan five times more of the radio spectrum, 100 times
faster.It will involve access to two of the world's most powerful telescopes. - the Green
Bank Telescope in West Virginia and the Parkes Telescope in New South Wales,
Australia. Among those involved in the search is Lord Martin Rees, the Astronomer
Royal.

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The £64m initiative was launched at the Royal Society in London

"The search for extra-terrestrial life is the most exciting quest in 21st-century science.
The Breakthrough Initiatives aim to put it on the same level as the other ultimate
scientific questions," he said. The public will be invited to participate in efforts to find a
signal from another world through the SETI@home project. Yuri Milner, a high tech US
based-billionaire and founder of the initiative said technology had developed to a point
where it was possible to put listening for signs of extra-terrestrial intelligence on a
proper scientific footing.He said: "Current technology gives us a real chance to answer
one of humanity's biggest questions: Are we alone?

"With Breakthrough Listen, we're committed to bringing the Silicon Valley approach to
the search for intelligent life in the Universe. Our approach to data will be open and
taking advantage of the problem-solving power of social networks. Prof Hawking added
that he believed the search was one of humanity's most important scientific endeavours.

"To understand the Universe, you must know about atoms - about the forces that bind
them, the contours of space and time, the birth and death of stars, the dance of
galaxies, the secrets of black holes," he explained.

"But that is not enough. These ideas cannot explain everything. They can explain the
light of stars, but not the lights that shine from planet Earth.

"To understand these lights, you must know about life. About minds."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33596271

Prof Stephen Hawking backs venture to listen for aliens

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Published on 20 Jul 2015

Prof Stephen Hawking has launched a new effort to answer the question of whether
there is life elsewhere in space.

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New hunt for alien life launched: Professor Stephen Hawking backs $100 million
search for extraterrestrial signals
Breakthrough Initiative will scour one million of the closest stars to Earth
It will use two powerful radio telescopes to listen for alien transmissions
A third telescope will search for faint laser signals from other worlds
The project will cover 10 times more sky and be 50 times more sensitive than
previous attempts to search for intelligent extraterrestrial life

By Richard Gray for MailOnline

Published: 12:04, 20 July 2015 | Updated: 14:47, 20 July 2015

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168066/New-hunt-alien-life-launched-Professor-Stephen-Hawking-backs-100-million-search-extraterrestrial-signals.html#ixzz3gSlwgEpu
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BBC Headline page 13 July 2015 ....Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting 'new evidence' claim

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Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting 'new evidence' claim

13 July 2015..From the section Suffolk

Short vid on link....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-33447592
Col Charles Halt saw an unidentified flying object over a Suffolk airbase in 1980

New evidence has been gathered to back up claims a UFO landed near a US airbase in
Suffolk, a former deputy commander has claimed.Col Charles Halt told the BBC he saw
unidentified objects at Rendlesham Forest in December 1980.He says he now has
statements from radar operators at RAF Bentwaters and nearby Wattisham airfield that
an unknown object was tracked at the time.

Col Halt claimed it was seen by himself and base security staff.

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Col Charles Halt gave a talk at Woodbridge Community Centre on Saturday - tickets were £20

The 75-year-old, who was deputy commander at the Bentwaters base and now lives in
the US state of Virginia, said some former service people had not wanted to speak until
they retired but had now provided written statements to him.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83596-BBC-Headline-page-13-July-2015-....Rendlesham-Forest-UFO-sighting-new-evidence-claim&p=978061#post978061

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-33447592

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Five new planets raises possibility of super-advanced civilisations : The exoplanets that
hint at life billions of years older than Earth

Now most on here think the chances of life elsewhere is very high and some are
convinced and met them. I have not knowingly , but who knows ? some look
just like us , and some say we are ET's originally from the Lyra region of the
galaxy. Which is interesting to see the picture below in the article. This
discovery/disclosure has been going on for the past decade and more and I
can still vividly remember when we were told there is no proof of 'Exo
planets' ...LOL ...I have put up several threads as these reports are published
and for me I have no doubts we are not alone in this Universe...

From Mail Article below...

So far, the observatory has found 1,013 confirmed exoplanets in 440 systems as well as 3,199 possible planets.

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The exoplanets that hint at life billions of years older than Earth

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Published on 13 Jul 2015

The exoplanets that hint at life billions of years older than Earth A solar system
including five Earth-sized planets has been discovered which is so ancient it was
born not long after the dawn of time - and experts say it could help find life on
planets far older than we expected. The system's parent star, named Kepler-444, is
117 light years from Earth and 11.2 billion years old. When the sun-like star was
formed out of a primordial cloud of gas and dust, the universe was just a fifth of its
current age. In January, a group led by Tiago Campante — an astroseismology
or 'starquake' researcher at the University of Birmingham in the United Kingdom —
announced the discovery of five tiny, likely rocky worlds close to an ancient star.
Now he says that discovery could lead to new insights into where alien life could be.

more under link ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWBHa0h-Pw

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83612-Five-new-planets-raises-possibility-of-super-advanced-civilisations-The-exoplanets-that-hint-at-life-billions-of-years-older-than-Earth&p=978188#post978188

varuna

20th July 2015, 20:02

I have noticed that some of our msm news tabloids are increasingly carrying stories of UFO sightings. I think we are gradually being conditioned into thinking about the subject, away from the 'tin foil hat' this is ludicrous etc; to acceptance of the possibility of the existence of UFO's.

Cidersomerset

20th July 2015, 20:07

lucidity

20th July 2015, 20:10

Citizen No2

20th July 2015, 20:14

Harley

20th July 2015, 20:19

Could this be the real-life S.R. Hadden (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0005789/)? :)
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Russian Billionaire Yuri Milner Funds SETI Initiative With $100 Million

July 20, 2015
SpaceREF (http://spaceref.com/nasa-hack-space/seti/russian-billionaire-yuri-milner-funds-seti-initiative-with-100-million.html)

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Joined by an all-star cast of scientists that included Stephen Hawking, Martin Rees, Frank Drake, Geoff Marcy and Ann Druyan, Russian billionaire Yuri Milner announced that he was personally funding a series of new initiatives to kickstart the search for life in the universe called Breakthrough Initiatives.

Milner said he would fund the initiatives with a $100 million over 10 years.

A key member of the team also present was former NASA Ames Center Director Pete Worden who now becomes the Chairman of the Breakthrough Prize Foundation.

Breakthrough Initiatives

The first two initiatives to be funded are Breakthrough Listen and Breakthrough Message.

According to Milner these initiatives are the biggest scientific search ever undertaken for signs of intelligent life beyond Earth.

Breakthrough Listen

Two major radio telescopes will collect the data; the 100 Meter Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia, USA and the 64 metre diameter Parkes Telescope in New South Wales, Australia. As well the Automated Planet Finder Telescope at Lick Observatory in California, USA will undertake world's deepest and broadest search for optical laser transmissions.

Other Breakthrough Listen details:
- 50 times more sensitive than previous programs dedicated to SETI research.
- Will cover 10 times more of the sky than previous programs.
- Will scan at least 5 times more of the radio spectrum - and 100 times faster.

Milner said, "with Breakthrough Listen, we're committed to bringing the Silicon Valley approach to the search for intelligent life in the Universe. Our approach to data will be open and taking advantage of the problem-solving power of social networks."

Breakthrough Message

There will be an International competition to create digital messages that represent humanity and planet Earth with a pool of prizes that will total $1,000,000, the details of which will be announced at a later time.

According to Milner "this initiative is not a commitment to send messages. It's a way to learn about the potential languages of interstellar communication and to spur global discussion on the ethical and philosophical issues surrounding communication with intelligent life beyond Earth."

Project Leadership

The leader of the project includes:

- Pete Worden, Chairman, Breakthrough Prize Foundation.
- Martin Rees, Astronomer Royal, Fellow of Trinity College; Emeritus Professor of Cosmology and Astrophysics, University of Cambridge.
- Frank Drake, Chairman Emeritus, SETI Institute; Professor Emeritus of Astronomy and Astrophysics, University of California, Santa Cruz; Founding Director, National Astronomy and Ionosphere Center; Former Goldwin Smith Professor of Astronomy, Cornell University.
- Geoff Marcy, Professor of Astronomy, University of California, Berkeley; Alberts SETI Chair.
- Ann Druyan, Creative Director of the Interstellar Message, NASA Voyager; Co-Founder and CEO, Cosmos Studios; Emmy and Peabody award winning Writer and Producer.
- Dan Werthimer, Co-founder and chief scientist of the SETI@home project; director of SERENDIP; principal investigator for CASPER.
- Andrew Siemion, Director, Berkeley SETI Research Center.

Frank Drake said: "Right now there could be messages from the stars flying right through the room, through us all. That still sends a shiver down my spine. The search for intelligent life is a great adventure. And Breakthrough Listen is giving it a huge lift."

Watch the Archived News Conference (http://livestream.com/accounts/6714632/events/4205486) (Starts at 6:40).

Breakthrough Initiatives website (http://www.breakthroughinitiatives.org/)

Cidersomerset

20th July 2015, 20:21

It's a completely disingenuous pantomime.
Ask yourself: Are they really so far behind the curve ?

Totally agree the radio telescopes are obsolete , and the chances
advanced ET's are using this medium is even less likely.

I'm really pointing out the fact mainstream are taking the subject
serious all of a sudden. The secret space programme , black budgets
have gotten so far ahead , as many witness's have been disclosing.
Disclosure has to come relatively soon ? I thought they were building
towards it in the 1990's. Then TPTB took over and created 9/11
and the 'terror meme' to delay ET disclosure , but maybe they are
trying to prepare the public again ?

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The 64 metre Parkes Observatory in Australia (above) will be one of two radio telescopes to search more than one million
of the closest stars to Earth for signals that may indicate there is intelligent life living there. It is to be used as part of a
$100 million project called the Breakthrough Listen Initiative, launched in London today

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168066/New-hunt-alien-life-launched-Professor-Stephen-Hawking-backs-100-million-search-extraterrestrial-signals.html#ixzz3gSrul4vq
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Cidersomerset

20th July 2015, 20:24

I don't understand all the noise being made about looking
'out there' for extraterrestrial life. Surely there is more evidence of
contact and collusion with off world life forms on this planet than
there is for life on some distant class 1 body.

But of course............ If life were discovered on some far away
planet, or contact made, then the already hidden contact and
collusion could remain just that, hidden.

There is no reason from our point of view , but they are playing
to a mainstream audience, and although many believe ET's
must exist. Unless they start researching on sites like this.
They are still going to look at mainstream for answers.

Matt P

20th July 2015, 20:25

Hello Siblings,

It's a completely disingenuous pantomime.
Ask yourself: Are they really so far behind the curve ?

I don't believe that someone's wasting £64M "listening" for aliens.
You could use any of the world's major telescopes and point towards these
exo-planets.. or better still... point Hubble at them. Why waste £64M ?
The people making the funding decisions _know_ there are aliens.
This project is doing something else... it's not as advertised.

be happy :-)

lucidity

Exactly lucidity! I sincerely doubt this program is real or genuine for the reasons you stated. But...if it IS real, I don't think it would be wasted money. I can think of many energy corporations that would consider this a very wise and inexpensive investment to "kick the can down the road" another 10 years.

Matt

Citizen No2

20th July 2015, 20:28

A-Haaaaa...............

The fake Alien invasion.

It's a possibility. But then so are all things.

Regards.

lucidity

20th July 2015, 20:29

Cidersomerset

20th July 2015, 20:31

A-Haaaaa...............

The fake Alien invasion.
It's a possibility. But then so are all things.
Regards.

Getting warmer...LOL

Dr. Carol Rosin: Staged Artificial 'Alien Invasion' and asteroide/comet threat. NWO final card

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Dr. Carol Rosin a former NASA scientist turned Disclosure Project witness shares
very important information with us. Keep in mind this was back in 2000 before
9/11 back when it was only Oklahoma city and the '93 WTC bombing and they
realized they were going to need something bigger...

Citizen No2

20th July 2015, 20:34

Was that the lady that worked along-side Werner Von Braun?

Have any of you ever seen/heard her testimony as to what Von Braun told her regarding the fake Alien invasion?

Regards.

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You are good Cider.

Regards.

Sunny-side-up

20th July 2015, 20:38

A few weeks ago BBC's 'News Night' ended it's show with the images from ISS's live footage of the UFO's leaving Earth.
This was not presented in a jokey fashion, quite serious.
The presenter wen't on to say that as soon as NASA realized what was being seen transmissions where cut!
That was on BBC!

Was that the lady that worked along-side Werner Von Braun?

Have any of you ever seen/heard her testimony as to what Von Braun told her regarding the fake Alien invasion?
Yes Citizen No2, more seeds being sown!

Cidersomerset

20th July 2015, 20:41

Have any of you ever seen/heard her testimony as to what Von Braun told her regarding the fake Alien invasion?

She says it in the above vid, first Russia , Communist threat, then Rogue nations and 'Terrorism' , dirty bombs then Asteroids and
finally the last card the Extraterrestrial /Alien Threat !! Obviously the agenda may be amended but some of these have been
happening on our TV's for decades....

I was trying to find a clip of John Lear talking about the orbiting missile platforms
that developed from Pres. Reagans 'Star Wars ' initiative, but could not find it.

John Lear's Files ...The Weaponizaton of Space

The Weaponizaton of Space 1968-2008: ...Earth's Secret War

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Weaponizaton_of_Space.html

Citizen No2

20th July 2015, 20:42

Yep.

Well there you go. What more do we need to hear?

That'll do for me.

I saw that a few years back, great to see again. The soft disclosure is picking up speed.

Just remember folks...... When the sh*t goes down, Do Not Be Scared.

Regards.

Twain

20th July 2015, 20:53

The fact is that MSM ignores Contacteeism and UFOlogy because of all the disinformation, mostly from the nutters out there today. People like Parkes and Crammer with their ridiculous stories, that's what makes it look like a circus. This was all studied decades ago now, but has for a dozen years been relegated to nuttery (ufo's and abduction), and with works like Mirage Men and the fact of The Aviary and just how weird those dudes were, and how some of them strayed into Disinfo like Project Serpo, most rational people will ignore Alienology and Ufology. And what Bud Hopkins did for Abductionism was terrible. For science, abductions are psychological phenomenon -- shared delusions brought on by the hysteria of the Big Story Abduction cases, all with holes in them.

I personally don't think the goverment is hiding anything about alien life. If anything, the UFO thing was a US psyop, using some kind of advanced craft and tech, to confuse russians about just what kind of tech we had, and then they set the Agencies to Disinform the whole subject. Other wise, they simply concluded that they have no idea what the phenomenon was, and hide THAT FACT.

(but I don't know, obviously)

UFOLOGY needs a reboot.

IF the government knows stuff we don't, advanced stuff along the lines that we've considered in places like Avalon, I think they would rather slowly condition humanity (as seems to be the case, perhaps) to the REALITY of Life outside our little globe (or flat earth, lol) -- something that most people don't think about often enough.

First, "we found microbes on mars or that asteroid"
Then baby steps from there to "We are certain there is advanced life on this or that planet"
Then, if there is a global human or transhuman world out there in physical up to higher (invisible dimensions), and THEY KNOW about it, then again, "this is the reality we need to prepare for. we need to rethink our history and religion"

I don't think there are any aliens that speak our language, given the track record they have from their so called contactees, I think it's all comm. from out collective imagination (collective consciousness)

But who knows. Such a wonderful subject to imagine about (fearlessly, for humanity's sake)

But first, we or THEY need to continue to deconstruct Religion and Nationalism. In the US alone we see how crazy people are about their guarded beliefs. In some ways, some of the things about a NWO are necessary, if you take away all the scary parts ... global village civ FTW, imo.

I honestly think most of the science community is clueless BECAUSE there is no EVIDENCE YET, much less proof, for alien life on or around Earth. Sorry, but that's the fact (and your own testimony about speaking with pleiadiens or whatever alien race isn't going to do, because it's no different than channeling dead people, or christians seeing and speaking to Jesus, Mary and the Holy Ghost. (subcultural delusions)

The problems we have on earth is just man's greed from abusive patriarchy on high. It will not last the next generation, imo.

This is good news, the OP. We need to discover and REALIZE the fact that life IS out there (everyone must agree), and some of it is likely as intelligent, or light years ahead of us. But they surely haven't shown themselves beyond maybe buzzing our skies around the ww2 era (as a warning), and something that the goverments couldn't and can't explain as craft or plasma phenomenon, though they tried. Today, I think all we get is misidentification. Enough of my ranting opinions. I'm certain not many here would agree with my beliefs, especially since I'm all over the place!

Cidersomerset

20th July 2015, 21:22

I personally don't think the goverment is hiding anything about alien life. If anything, the UFO thing was a US psyop, using some
kind of advanced craft and tech, to confuse russians about just what kind of tech we had, and then they set the Agencies to Disinform the
whole subject. Other wise, they simply concluded that they have no idea what the phenomenon was, and hide THAT FACT.

I respect your view , but even before the web I was pretty certain there is more to
it than another 'War of the worlds scenario' and from all the Camelot/Avalon
witness's and other researchers , I would be very surprised if it was all the
government backed 'psyop' .Some of it is using the black budget technology they
have been researching for decades.You only have to go back to Allan Hynek who
was part of the cover up, and many more whistleblowers and witness testimony
made public for it to be real imo.

Dr. J Allen Hynek Admits Astronomers do see UFO's ! (1977)

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Dr. Josef Allen Hynek ( May 1, 1910 - April 27, 1986 ) was Chairman of Department of Astronomy Northwestern University ,
professor, and ufologist. He is perhaps best remembered for his UFO research. Hynek acted as scientific adviser to UFO studies
undertaken by the U.S. Air Force under three consecutive names: Project Sign (1947-1949), Project Grudge (1949-1952), and
Project Blue Book (1952 to 1969). For decades afterwards, he conducted his own independent UFO research, and is widely
considered the father of the concept of scientific analysis of both reports and, especially, trace evidence purportedly left by UFOs.
Also his book called The Ufo's Experience a Scientific Inquiry 1972

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channeling dead people

The Elites have been channeling the 'non - physical ' reality forever, and still
do today. The white house is no exception...LOL

betoobig

20th July 2015, 21:36

They are simply putting some vaseline on us...
LOVE
Juan

Matt P

20th July 2015, 21:58

Sorry, Twain, and with all respect but there is so much evidence for alien life it's really quite remarkable to see someone state so confidently that there is no evidence. There's so much I cannot even imagine where to begin. Books and names just racing through my head...
I would encourage you to look a little harder.

Matt

Citizen No2

20th July 2015, 22:04

Not even look harder Matt, just needs to look.

With respect Twain.

Regards.

Cidersomerset

20th July 2015, 22:10

I have posted this before and is a interesting look at this scenario....

How to Fake an Alien Invasion

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Published on 8 Feb 2015

SHOW NOTES AND MP3: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=13551

We all know about the crude pie-plate-on-string UFO hoaxes that have
been perpetrated in the past. But what if I were to tell you the greatest
UFO hoax of all time is being prepared right now, and it has Rockefeller
backing and UN/Vatican/presidential support? Join us this week as we
peek under the bluebeam curtain at the great alien invasion false flag.

Rollo

20th July 2015, 22:49

In french tele-vision almost every week people can watch some UFO documentaries and cases.
Since at least one year I noticed a wave of this sort of documentaries.

Not too long ago I saw Europcar truck with "smart" advertising on the street. The message is put out there for everybody to see if they can of course. After all this years of programming, ridicule and secrecy the "aliens" are among us:).

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Cidersomerset

20th July 2015, 23:03

If a false flag ET invasion was to be played out the groundwork for mass media
mind control and deception has been developing for decades as well. Also some of
the technology is in the public domain as James Corbett and others have reported
is here . Plus as David Icke would say when you connect the dots a lot of these
topics and agendas seem to be linked.

Near the end of the Corbett report vid above they show a clip about the US 'psyop
plane' and how they have developed mind control tecniches and how they use it to
manipulate the public , 9/11 and the war on terror and the many lone shooters and
false headlines....The vid below shows how the US Mil & CIA have no qualms
experimenting on militarypersonnel and civilians. Which is on going with the
Chemtrail programme and other covertactivities. Drills can become live as on 7/7 ,
and 'crisis actors' and real victims can be difficult to tell apart and easy to mislead
the mass media for long enough to get their immiediate agenda's in operation.

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Hollywood style! US Commentator // Crisis Actors // UK Police Stage Counter-
Terror Training Exercise in London?

How is it possible the 'real' bombers could all be at the very stations the drills
were taking place ? Its unbelievable yet no mainstream outlet with proper
resources has looked into the alternate 7/7 material.....
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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83267-Hollywood-style--US-Commentator-Crisis-Actors-UK-Police-Stage-Counter-Terror-Training-Exercise-in-London

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How Fake Are Major News Events? Just Watch

By ickonic on 19th July 2015 Illuminati Criminals, Political Manipulation, Problem-Reaction-Solution

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‘Do you really want to be the last of your friends to realize that fake actors are being
used to create major memes in the world? Once you’ve seen how the magician does
the trick, you won’t be fooled again.’

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Jesuit Crown Mi6 CIA Human Experiments in the United States - MK-ULTRA Mind Control - Psyops

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Published on 7 Nov 2012

April 1980

MKULTRA Compendium: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1441......

In 1950, the CIA initiated Project Bluebird, later renamed Project Artichoke, whose
stated purpose was to develop "the means to control individuals through special
interrogation techniques", "way[s] to prevent the extraction of information from
CIA agents", and "offensive uses of unconventional techniques, such as hypnosis
and drugs". The purpose of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952
that stated, "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our
bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self
preservation?" The project studied the use of hypnosis, forced morphine addiction
and subsequent forced withdrawal, and the use of other chemicals, among other
methods, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects. In order
to "perfect techniques for the abstraction of information from individuals, whether
willing or not", Project Bluebird researchers experimented with a wide variety of
psychoactive substances, including LSD, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, PCP,
mescaline, and ether. Project Bluebird researchers dosed over 7,000 U.S. military
personnel with LSD, without their knowledge or consent, at the Edgewood Arsenal
in Maryland. More than 1,000 of these soldiers suffered from several psychiatric
illnesses, including depression and epilepsy, as a result of the tests. Many of them
tried to commit suicide.

In 1953, the CIA placed several of its interrogation and mind-control programs
under the direction of a single program, known by the code name MKULTRA, after
CIA director Allen Dulles (Jesuit) complained about not having enough "human
guinea pigs to try these extraordinary techniques". The MKULTRA project was under
the direct command of Dr. Sidney Gottlieb of the Technical Services Division. The
project received over $25 million, and involved hundreds of experiments on human
subjects at eighty different institutions.

In a memo describing the purpose of one MKULTRA program subprogram, Richard
Helms said: We intend to investigate the development of a chemical material which
causes a reversible, nontoxic aberrant mental state, the specific nature of which
can be reasonably well predicted for each individual. This material could potentially
aid in discrediting individuals, eliciting information, and implanting suggestions and
other forms of mental control. —Richard Helms, internal CIA memo

In 1954, the CIA's Project QKHILLTOP was created to study Chinese brainwashing
techniques, and to develop effective methods of interrogation. Most of the early
studies are believed to have been performed by the Cornell University Medical
School's human ecology study programs, under the direction of Dr. Harold Wolff.
Wolff requested that the CIA provide him any information they could find
regarding "threats, coercion, imprisonment, deprivation, humiliation,
torture, 'brainwashing', 'black psychiatry', and hypnosis, or any combination of
these, with or without chemical agents". According to Wolff, the research team
would then: ...assemble, collate, analyze and assimilate this information and will
then undertake experimental investigations designed to develop new techniques of
offensive/defensive intelligence use ... Potentially useful secret drugs (and various
brain damaging procedures) will be similarly tested in order to ascertain the
fundamental effect upon human brain function and upon the subject's mood ...
Where any of the studies involve potential harm of the subject, we expect the
Agency to make available suitable subjects and a proper place for the performance
of the necessary experiments. —Dr. Harold Wolff, Cornell University Medical School

Another of the MKULTRA subprojects, Operation Midnight Climax, consisted of a
web of CIA-run safehouses in San Francisco, Marin, and New York which were
established in order to study the effects of LSD on unconsenting individuals.
Prostitutes on the CIA payroll were instructed to lure clients back to the safehouses,
where they were surreptitiously plied with a wide range of substances, including
LSD, and monitored behind one-way glass. Several significant operational
techniques were developed in this theater, including extensive research into sexual
blackmail, surveillance technology, and the possible use of mind-altering drugs in
field operations.

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Harley

20th July 2015, 23:45

You could use any of the world's major telescopes and point towards these
exo-planets.. or better still... point Hubble at them. Why waste £64M ?
The people making the funding decisions _know_ there are aliens.
This project is doing something else... it's not as advertised.

You have to remember that telescopes (including Hubble) are optical devices, whereas Radio-Telescopes are electromagnetic devices (RF).

In other words, an optical telescope is incapable of seeing a radio transmission.

But the coverage of SETI within the MSM has increased dramatically in recent weeks. So yes, they're "doing something else... not as advertised".

:)

ghostrider

20th July 2015, 23:49

ehummm , they are aware of us , we are their little brothers ... they interbred with our ancestors ... in a sense we are family ...

Harley

21st July 2015, 00:02

There is no reason from our point of view , but they are playing
to a mainstream audience, and although many believe ET's
must exist. Unless they start researching on sites like this.
They are still going to look at mainstream for answers.

Exactly right!

They've been conditioning the public through the MSM (especially movies) for many many years now.

With the proper amount of shock/awe, delivered with sufficient technology (and believe me they have it), it would not be a hard-sell at all!

:)

mojo

21st July 2015, 00:15

i wish the media would take UFO reports seriously but don't see it happening. I do see some reports but they seem to only ridicule the subject matter...

9B2JayPA8uM

Harley

21st July 2015, 00:39

Regarding the False Flag Alien Attack:

Some will recall this but many now may not even be aware of it.

Take a step all the way back to December 2010 and read The False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9653-False-Flag-Alien-Threat-To-Frame-The-ETs-As-Enemies)

Note that this article was published on the leading-edge of the great False Flag Alien Invasion Flap within the Alt-community.

Wow, that just might be a record bump! :)

A Voice from the Mountains

21st July 2015, 00:40

Call me a conspiracy theorist but Stephen Hawking can barely move. If I remember right, he can only send messages by twitching a muscle in his cheek, or something to that extent. So how hard would it be to put him up on a pedestal as a supergenius, and then just put all kinds of words into his proverbial mouth, since he can't speak for himself anyway anymore?

Twain

21st July 2015, 04:16

Mike Gorman

21st July 2015, 04:39

There is a massive disconnect between the already amassed evidence and phenomenon and these separate little flowerings of serious intent - it seems odd, and I also think this is more of a red-herring , a gesture.

Cidersomerset

21st July 2015, 07:11

Books and names don't amount to proof and evidence. Plenty of fantasts have written books making claims. Fact is, no proof = no aliens.

You could also add science knows nothing , the more we learn of this reality is anything real ?
or the interpretations we decode in the brain and thru our 'lying eyes' as some like to say.
At the atomic level nothing is solid , which makes you think when it sinks in ,and there are
many variations on the theme on the structure of this reality and our experience in it.

Some say we are a product of evolution , we are born , die and that's it. Others think
this is just an experience and we are far more than this physical meatsack body , and
of course this debate has gone on forever and will carry on with science and practical
thought being prevalent in some time periods and religious , and spiritual at others .

Today in the era of mass communication we can debate it openly , but for how long ?
There have always been 'mind control ' and deception programmes from the church
pulpit , Royal proclomations , government propaganda , to local landlords and today
the Corporate world that all influence the majority of our lives. From there you can
go in all different directions and connect dots and end up back where you started.
We are all 'wonderful human creators, gods' and when we remember that and
reconnect physical and non-physical we will perceive this corporeal reality in a
whole different way and some already are.

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The Rise of an Intuitive Humanity

By ickonic on 18th July 2015 The Awakening, The Matrix

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The Rise of an Intuitive Humanity

Consciousness
Empowerment
Esoterica
Forbidden Knowledge

by Elle - Jul 17, 2015

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‘Social and cultural change is occurring fast right now across this planet, and it
looks as if it will accelerate further. Many people are experiencing a wide range of
personal impacts, disruptions, and rearrangements in their lives. At the same time,
we are also seeing how our social infrastructures, modes of communication, and
connectivity are adjusting and shifting to these changes. Within the last 150 years
alone we have witnessed an amazingly rapid process of transition in human
civilization, perhaps even without being consciously aware of it. In terms of the
bigger picture, this is an incredibly swift rate of change.

The ebb and flow of human history has cradled the gradual unfolding of the
individual and the growing responsibility that this implies. This emerging ‘blooming
of the individual’ has occurred alongside the story of the slow decline in aristocracy,
elite rule, and the demise of tyranny. This human story has accelerated in recent
centuries, with the fall of feudalism; the birth of democracy; and the growth of an
increasingly connected global humanity. Alongside this we have also seen the
increasing acceptance and sharing of planetary values. We could say that human
society is in the early contractions of the birth of a planetary civilization.’

Read more: The Rise of an Intuitive Humanity

http://www.zengardner.com/rise-intuitive-humanity/

I've gone a bit esoteric in this post ....LOL....A couple of old classics....

THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS JOHNNY NASH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEstgTAXyec

jimmy cliff - i can see clearly now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzGV9Bl6CGg

Cidersomerset

21st July 2015, 07:50

Slightly off at tangent but related as I look on Davids Headline page , the BBC , RT
and other sources most days events and memes start to pop out at me that are
connected sometimes you can post them together, but usually separate and its up
to everyone to decide for themselves. Unfortunately as part of what we have been
discussing 'mind control / population influence and policy directives' whether
peaceful , social events or becoming more openly obvious financial and militarily
manipulative

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The ISIS scam , David Cameron is determined to get the UK back on a war footing
and join the coalition to attack Syria.To cut a long story short the Neo -Con /
Zionist plans that have been playing out since the end of the cold war , were stalled
by the UK parliament voting against mil action.The US/UK/Israeli led coalition could
invade Syria like they did Afghanistan and Iraq but still need the pretence of public
support , hence all the false flags 9/11 ,7/7 etc. The latest one the Tunisian
shootings were designed to get the UK public to demand action , the classic "
Problem Reaction Sollution" Scenario.....

David is an expert at picking out articles and connecting dots , just like CIA and intel analysts do.....

Evil Triumphs: The West’s Hand Behind ISIS Confirmed

By ickonic on 18th July 2015 Political Manipulation, Problem-Reaction-Solution, War and Terror

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‘For years now judicious analysts have been saying that ISIS, which now calls itself
the Islamic State, is a synthetic witches’ brew of malcontents organized, armed and
trained by the West and its regional appendages in the Arab Gulf countries.

Despite an overwhelming sand storm of disinformation emanating from the mainstream media that
laughably portrayed the militant group and its creepy offshoots as wholly organic, critical thinkers have
insisted that ISIS is a controlled outfit of covert mercenaries that were manufactured by Western powers
and first wielded like a samurai sword against the Gaddafi regime in Libya. Once the North African country
was swallowed whole by the Wahhabi onslaught, which was directed by CIA and MI6 “advisors” on the
ground and reinforced by NATO airstrikes from above, the same stock and breed of criminal miscreants
were promptly set upon Syria to ravage that unsuspecting nation.’

Read more: Evil Triumphs: The West’s Hand Behind ISIS Confirmed

http://levant.tv/blog-posts/evil-triumphs-the-wests-hand-behind-isis-confirmed/

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Israel-made ISIS drone downed in Iraq: Report

By ickonic on 21st July 2015

‘Iraq’s Popular Mobilization units and regular army forces have downed an Israeli-manufactured surveillance
drone operated by the Takfiri ISIL terrorist group near the restive city of Fallujah, west of the capital, Baghdad.
The downing of the drone came on Sunday after the Iraqi forces detected the unmanned aircraft roaming
around, the local al-Maalouma news agency reported citing a security source.The drone was reportedly taking
photographs when it was downed by the Iraqi forces near Fallujah. An examination of the wreckage of the drone
later revealed that it was manufactured by an Israeli arms maker.’

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/07/20/421032/Iraq-Falluja-ISIL-Israel

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Fury after Cameron admits he knew British RAF pilots were carrying out ISIS airstrikes ‘by stealth’
in Syria as minister says they’ll carry on without approval of MPs

By ickonic on 18th July 2015 War and Terror

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‘British pilots will continue to fly US fighter jets to bomb Islamic State targets in Syria without the
approval of Parliament, the Defence Secretary said last night.

Ministers were accused of deceiving the public yesterday after it emerged that at least three Royal
Navy pilots have been killing IS fighters in the war-torn country even though MPs have voted
against military action there.

Michael Fallon said he had always known ‘a handful’ of UK military personnel were involved in air strikes
against jihadists in Syria, but this was acceptable because they were embedded with the US military.

Speaking at the Royal International Air Tattoo at RAF Fairford, Gloucestershire, the Defence Secretary
added: ‘This is quite standard practice. Isil has to be defeated. We don’t have, at the moment,
parliamentary authority to carry out military strikes in Syria, but the Americans do… and they have
been doing that to keep all of us safe.’’

Read more: Fury after Cameron admits he knew British RAF pilots were carrying out ISIS airstrikes
‘by stealth’ in Syria as minister says they’ll carry on without approval of MPs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164898/British-military-pilots-involved-carrying-airstrikes-Syria-against-ISIS-terrorist-groups.html

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British Prime Minister Cameron Orders RAF Bombings of Syria without Parliamentary Approval.
Commits UK on US TV to War against Islamic State

By ickonic on 20th July 2015 Illuminati Criminals, Political Manipulation, War and Terror

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GLOBAL Research.....

‘David Cameron speaking in an interview with US TV network NBC about western bombing raids in
Syria has said he wants “the UK to do more but that he needs to “take Parliament with him”.”

Cameron’s words come as a closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Friday we reported that British pilots have been actively involved in NATO missions bombing Syria
and apart from Cameron, and presumably his inner circle, British parliament has not been included
in the decision making process.

RAF pilots involved are part of an exchange program with foreign forces but the idea that they could
be used in active missions opposed by parliament in 2013 weakens British democracy.’

Read more: British Prime Minister Cameron Orders RAF Bombings of Syria without Parliamentary
Approval. Commits UK on US TV to War against Islamic State

http://www.globalresearch.ca/picture-cameron-commits-uk-on-us-tv-to-war-against-islamic-state/5463231

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Ex-defence chief: Britain must get on a ‘war footing’ to defeat Islamic State

By ickonic on 20th July 2015 War and Terror

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THE TELEGRAPH..................

‘Britain must accept that “sooner or later” ground troops and tanks will have to
be sent into combat to overcome Isil, a former chief of the Armed Forces has said.

Lord Richards said that David Cameron needed to put the country on a “war footing”
and rethink its military strategy to extinguish the threat posed by Islamic State of
Iraq and the Levant (Isil) militants.

He indicated that “tanks would have to roll and there’s going to have to be boots on the
ground”, as he took a swipe at the existing approach, describing it as “dribbling, not clouting”.’

Read more: Ex-defence chief: Britain must get on a ‘war footing’ to defeat Islamic State

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11749989/Ex-defence-chief-Britain-must-get-on-a-war-footing-to-defeat-Islamic-State.html

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British Media Uses Fake Video Footage to Accuse Syria’s President of Killing his Own People

By ickonic on 21st July 2015 Political Manipulation, Problem-Reaction-Solution, Useless Media, War and Terror

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GLOBAL Research.....

‘The Telegraph has brought out a new dribble of disinformation regarding the US-NATO led war in Syria.
In an article published in May 2015, entitled Bashar al-Assad’s airmen laugh as they drop barrel bombs
on fellow Syrians, 20 May 2015, The Telegraph intimates (based on an Al Jazeera video report) that the
Syrian Air Force is killing Syrian civilians on the orders of Bashar Al Assad. The extensive bombing raids
by US and allied forces in Syria allegedly against the ISIS are not mentioned.

Below is the analysis of Robert Stuart in his open letter to The Telegraph.

Stuart shows how The Telegraph has “skilfully” used stock footage from 2012, to support its lies and fabrications.

Meanwhile Britain has joined the humanitarian bombing campaign without parliamentary assent, not to
mention the unspoken truth: British covert support to the ISIS terrorists in liaison with the US, Turkey and Israel.’

Read more: British Media Uses Fake Video Footage to Accuse Syria’s President of Killing his Own People

http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-media-uses-fake-video-footage-to-accuse-syrias-president-of-killing-his-own-people/5463437

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Israeli-linked SITE Intelligence Involved in Chattanooga Shooting Narrative

By ickonic on 21st July 2015 Political Manipulation, Problem-Reaction-Solution, War and Terror

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GLOBAL Research

‘News reports of the July 16 shootings in Chattanooga Tennessee already provide some curious features that warrant
close scrutiny. Perhaps unsurprisingly, complete oversight of the shooting investigation has been turned over to the FBI.
Also, the Israeli-linked SITE Intelligence Group is involved in providing the news frame for alleged shooter Muhammed
Youssef Abdulazeez.

For over a decade now the FBI has been busy creating phony terror events throughout the US to provide the semblance
of a discernible enemy in the “war on terror,” as investigative reporter Trevor Aaronson has documented. This has proven
immensely lucrative for the Western military-intelligence-media complex.’

Read more: Israeli-linked SITE Intelligence Involved in Chattanooga Shooting Narrative

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-linked-site-intelligence-involved-in-chattanooga-shooting-narrative/5463207

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The list goes on , but if a fake alien invasion is on the cards at some point mind
control is alive and well in the mainstream media. There are real events that go
on as well , but you can definitely follow a game plan from higher players being
played out on the screen and battleground.

Pasang

21st July 2015, 08:44

A-Haaaaa...............

The fake Alien invasion.

It's a possibility. But then so are all things.

Regards.

Yes, that's what also came to my mind imediately. There are some documentaries on German TV at the moment with a lot of alleged disclosure.
I was wondering, if this is true, and if so, why are they telling us all of a sudden? Made me then think, if they are preparing us for their fake attack, so most of the people believe that this must be the Aliens.

Sunny-side-up

21st July 2015, 13:46

Hi Twain

Sorry, Twain, and with all respect but there is so much evidence for alien life it's really quite remarkable to see someone state so confidently that there is no evidence. There's so much I cannot even imagine where to begin. Books and names just racing through my head...
I would encourage you to look a little harder.

Matt

Books and names don't amount to proof and evidence. Plenty of fantasts have written books making claims. Fact is, no proof = no aliens.

I can't actually say I've met an Alien!
Had drawings of a charecter I came to call 'Jimmy'

Later at around age 35 I forced my way into a realm where I came face to face with an entity that I later was told was a Djinn! Now those who research the Djinn have come to the conclusion that they are responsible for many of the sightings, they can shape-shift, effect your mind etc!
Djinn by the way are entities that our western religions have demonized into, Well'Demons' we wrongly call them Demons! The east has very old knowledge of them!

I have seen (Own Eyes) at-least 3 different flying object that could have been!
I have seen (Own Eyes) 3 very different, hidden tech/other worldly craft!
I have seen (Own Eyes) 1 craft that just had to be other-worldly/Alien, in fact this one I would call an ED craft!

I put hand on my Heart and swear that I have witnessed the above but! no proof or evidence, I don't carry a camera with me and the I have would do very good either :(

One of the above happened over a south-London supermarket, mid-day, that was a classic saucer. very big, no features on it at all!

Where any of them actually real? Have I been mind-controlled? hallucination?

Btw, at-least 2 of my sightings I lost time, and found myself in a different location to where I thought I witnessed it?
Btw aging :) 2 I saw with other people!

The Subject of False Flag Alien Invasion!
Well when they start finishing up with the 'War on Terrorism' They will merge the momentum with a Disclosure.
The Disclosure will in my view go something like this:
"We have to tell you that for X-years now we have been using Trillions of your country's money in a secret war with Aliens!,
we have developed many great devices, energies, craft, weapons (as given to us by great minded humans like 'Nikola Tesla')
we have captured many great devices, energies, craft, weapons from the Aliens!
We have Alien allies!

We kept this secret in the hope of never needing to tell you! but now we have too!
We are telling you this now because, unfortunately, things have not gone well and it's your time to join in!
Your World needs you Now!"

Of course the ever grateful sleepers will fall over backwards to join up and all the Trillions of cash the PTW have taken will be wiped clean!

Jake

21st July 2015, 14:12

Dear Stephen Hawking... Find a mirror, look into the eyes of the person staring back... There is your alien!

I win... keep yer money, though... I dont need or want it! Cheers...

Jake

Finefeather

22nd July 2015, 08:30

No doubt this thread will die a quick death if we do not keep it alive...because there are just too many who rely on this psy-op trick to keep us believing that alien UFO exist and have visited us.

It should also make us think about all the stories we get told by people...even on Avalon...about their interaction with alien ufo...even to the point of actually been in the ufo :)

Do they think everyone believes these made up stories?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNsM7S2ZSA

Twain

22nd July 2015, 11:07

Some people couldn't dare, cannot, lose their faith in Alien Visitors. The ET hypothesis was let go by most serious ufologists decades ago. What happened since then is that stories of abductions and claimants of contact have sparked a hysteria, where Aliens have taken the archetypal place of gods and devils, angels and demons, and higher 'dimensions', alternate timelines are our heaven hells.

"No, it was aliens this whole time!"

Still not evidence, and no proof, and with the internet giving voice to all manner of madness, we can see how stories get told, spread, interpolated by madmen, and groups with agendas.

Anecdotal stories from every fanciful contactee do not help. Even the best contactee reports fail. Before aliens it was Masters and their Disciples. All stories with insufficient evidence except for the "believers" and "experiencers", something psychology calls delusions and psychosis, which can become "shared beliefs", shared delusions, no different than any other religion.

But, OP gives us hope. Everyone wants to KNOW, even those who know it all.

I say, let science, scientists and their methods handle it from here.

Jake

22nd July 2015, 12:36

Finefeather

22nd July 2015, 14:24

Ha! Theres plenty of eveidence, Ray. Proof is a sliding scale..

Theres no evidence of chimpanzees in the fossil record. But ive seen one,, even been in the room with one... oh, I cant prove it,,, but I dont really care to, either...

I agree that the whole -alien- thing plays on beliefs, and has created an unhealthy - o please save me- attitude..

Ray, do you have PROOF that aliens do not exist? Or is it another BELIEF? Is there even any EVIDENCE that ets do not exist?

Out of all of the stars in the galaxy, all of the galaxies,, sooo much unknown,,,, you are going to assure me that there is no intelligent life?? Anywhere, no?? Just this one planet???

My friend, that is not only a fantasy wrapped in belief,, that is downright silly! :)

I have no doubt that a gambit is afoot regarding a fake alien invasion scenario... lots of games, playing on the gullibility of our crowd...

I believe it is absurdly egoic to insist that humans are the only life anywhere... My personal humility does not even allow for that...

Ha! Maybe the universe is flat?

Love to you Ray..
jake

Jake...my friend
Jake I never said that life does not exist elsewhere...I know it does...I was actually referring to aliens coming to visit us on planet earth...I think my post gave the wrong impression...sorry.

Now...If there is so much evidence...just give us one... just to clear it up for those who doubt it :)

I do not believe anything...I make sure I take a bus and go to the place where I can see for myself.

And no Jake the world is not flat...you silly boy :)

Love to you brother
Ray

Twain

22nd July 2015, 14:40

Out of all of the stars in the galaxy, all of the galaxies,, sooo much unknown,, you are going to assure me that there is no intelligent life?? Anywhere, no?? Just this one planet??? ,

Almost every time I chat with some one, and debunk their particular alien contactee, I get the proverbial question above.

No one is saying ALIENS DO NOT EXIST ANYWHERE, only that there is no proof yet that they are on, around, or near earth, much less physical humanoid beings like most fantasies and psyops have portrayed them. That's just a fact. Another fact is, if aliens are as shifty, ignorant, deceiving as our contactee history suggests, then we should want nothing to do with them.

If people communicate with what they think are aliens, through telepathy or however, there is no difference between how they present themselves, the tales they tell, than from what spiritualist supposedly communicated with in their seances, except in what astral dress they wear.

Photos and videos of UFO's have all been inconclusive, and mostly hoaxed. I think people who believe "they're here" should keep their mind open to the possibility that they are not, yet; and that if people are seeing and hearing what they think are UFO's and aliens, they should be very careful and consider that they MIGHT have a brain malfunction, or untrained clairvoyance-- two dangerous and related things.

2 cents more.

Jake

22nd July 2015, 15:40

Of course, Twain,, I agred with everything you said.. :)

That still does not mean that ET's aren't engaging planet earth.. Furthermore, if they aren't. ?. Prove it...

I'm playing a big of devils advocate her,, lol... But folks are so quick to demand proof,, when they themselves are speaking from complete conjecture! If you cannot offer proof that aliens DONT exist (engaging planet earth),, then you really have no business demanding proof that they do... It Is just argumentative, and I dont see the point... Did someone show you guys proof that aliens arent engaging wee planet earth? Honestly, you are painting others with your BELIEFS.

I can see the religious, esoteric dogma as clear as I can see the scientific DOGMA... Proof is a political term, used by someone trying to use the evidence to argue a pre conclusion. Besides, Science is about Evidence,, not proof..

Demand proof, only when you have some... Otherwise I believe an open minded discussion regarding the Evidence is more fruitful..

:)
Jake. (Jake realizes that his argument is a bit obtuse... lol.. )

No, of course thd universe is not flat... you'll see no mental gymnastics from me on that one...

Twain

22nd July 2015, 16:50

If the biggest names in ufology today are Wilcock, Greer, Webre, and others as creepy as them (like the team that perpetuated the Roswell Slides hoax recently--no excuses for them) ... and the only evidence we get are hoax videos and misidentification ... and the people claiming contact are Marshal Van Summers, Rael, Corey Goode, Billy Meier, Cobra, Tanath, and any dozen of unstable people, I can assume the evidence leads to 'no contact'.

For me, early UFO's were a misguided US psyop against Russia, that affected the world. Before that, contactees were already making their claims and perpetrating their frauds ( all their fake prop photos ) ... They had good intentions, but like Joseph Smith, they based their system on lies with the intent to make men better. We don't need a new religion, and this is what ufology is becoming. We need to deconstruct it.

Prove there is no God or Jesus. Prove Thor does not exist. Prove aliens do not visit the earth and supply Santa with gifts for needy children. Wtf.

If you take the word of screen names or madmen, or scam artists like Greer and Wilcock, you ought to go back to a Christian church. They got this whole scene pegged from the start...

It's THE DEVIL UP THERE!

Lol. I hear you, Jake. Nice to meet you. Either way, it doesn't hurt to believe. Yet, proof is what counts for science. Evidence and theories that are peer reviewed and tested. Ufology, when it was at its best, was inconclusive. Now anyone can be a ufologists.

If you feel like reading a book on various types of unusual sightings people have had throughout a long period, all very strange, and not just little green men and space ships, check out David Pratts book : UFOs: The Psychic Dimension
http://davidpratt.info/ufo1.htm

For me, I'll wait for proof, wether real disclosure, or a universally agreed upon evidence based case for current or past contact. I think we'll get it soon enough, especially with movement like the OP article.

Bluegreen

22nd July 2015, 17:25

"Now...If there is so much evidence...just give us one... just to clear it up for those who doubt it" :)

With love and respect, I would suggest that the following authors offer what is, in fact, documented evidence.

Sgt. Clifford Stone
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_stone.htm
Stan Romanek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Romanek
http://www.stanromanek.com
Grant Cameron
http://presidentialufo.com

Jake

22nd July 2015, 18:17

Just one? :) Well now, that Is a challenge... lol. (Where do I start?) ;)

Remember, we are talking Evidence,,, not proof... As far as Evidence goes,, here's one that is pretty solid!

BROAD-BAND NON IONIZING ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION!!!!

The same radiation emitted from Unidentified Areal Phenomenon that are the center of countless classified documents regarding UFOs...

Long story short,,, The US government and the VA have admitted that Burroughs WAS injured in the line of duty ON the night in question IN Rendlesham forest BY BROAD-BAND NON IONIZING ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION while standing near an UNIDENTIFIED GLOWING OBJECT !!! And have given him full VA benefits to cover medical treatments for his heart and his eyes, and his mental faculties...

Click here for Linda Moulton Howes indepth report... And links to further information, especially BBNIEMR... (https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2292&category=Science)

Sad thing is,, it doesn't become Real,, until folks see it on their TV... :(

With love, always,
Jake

"Now...If there is so much evidence...just give us one... just to clear it up for those who doubt it" :)

With love and respect, I would suggest that the following authors offer what is, in fact, documented evidence.

Sgt. Clifford Stone
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_stone.htm
Stan Romanek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Romanek
http://www.stanromanek.com
Grant Cameron
http://presidentialufo.com

Jake

22nd July 2015, 19:14

If you take the word of screen names or madmen, or scam artists like Greer and Wilcock, you ought to go back to a Christian church.

You and I agree on more than you realize! :) I, too,, am quite tired of the religious hang over that has invaded UFOlogy. -Deconstruct- it. I like that terminology. I have my own experiences with ETs,, and have my own take on proof than you do...

Indeed with the -santa clause- thing.. made me laugh... im glad you can see how absurd it is to insist to be offered proof for someone elses point of view when one does not even Consider that there is no proof for their own...

Some folks don't have the luxury of Belief... Sometimes I truly wish that I could be back in the box... :(

It's not ALL smoke and mirrors..
Jake

Welcome to Avalon, btw! ;)

Bluegreen

22nd July 2015, 20:10

"Evidence ... not proof"

Point taken
:biggrin:

betoobig

22nd July 2015, 20:49

the greatest evidence is the soooo long agenda through out our history to keep us enslaved... they don´t visit they where here long ago and never left... till now
The elite want us to fight in the wrong side, theirs.
LOVE
Juan

Cidersomerset

23rd July 2015, 19:10

There are many witness's who said they saw ET's and some interact , as well as
multi/thousands abductees have had experiences of beings other than homo sapien
sapien . Even though some look human and maybe related to us , and there is a
large archive about this. Now I have not seen or spoken to one that I'm aware of ,
and certainly cannot prove they exist. But 99.9% of events and people who live in
this reality I have not met personally or experienced first hand their journeys. Most
of it is Oral , written or media driven and now the web, the myriad of conflicting
news items and agendas going on are manipulated everyday to various degrees.
We know what 'false flags 'are now , corporate agendas etc ......This was talked
about and discussed by politicians , historians and 'intellectuals' in the past , now
we can all discuss topics around the world without borders, malice and petty
squabbles. But for how long ? Uhm !!

So the answer for me , show us the evidence is meaningless . Yes I would like to
say look here, or there , but if you are not personally satisfied all I can say keep
looking and have fun doing so...LOL: ...( As well as frustration , particularly with
the likes of Nick Pope in my case )..LOL

MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic Nick Pope on Jimmy Church Fade To Black..4/3/15
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80469-MOD-Spokesman-and-UFO-Skeptic-Nick-Pope-on-Jimmy-Church-Fade-To-Black..4-3-15&p=940772#post940772
Gary Heseltine: "M.O.D UFO Reporting Closed In Deliberate Act To Break Momentum That Was Building"
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82547-Gary-Heseltine-M.O.D-UFO-Reporting-Closed-In-Deliberate-Act-To-Break-Momentum-That-Was-Building
RICHPLANET TV - The Sheffield UFO Incident - 17/03/2015 // UFO Gatekeeper /debunkers Dr. David Clarke & Andy Roberts...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82133-RICHPLANET-TV-The-Sheffield-UFO-Incident-17-03-2015-UFO-Gatekeeper-debunkers-Dr.-David-Clarke-Andy-Roberts...

UFO Encounter 1954 UK...Jessie Roestenberg A very credible eye witness!
Was this an advanced terrestrial craft ? Or a Extra terrestrial visitors ?
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Whitefeather put up a thread about Crop circles with a vid from Col Corso being
interviewed by an Italian researcher where among other topics he says he saw the
Roswell greys, which were possibly clones. He was a high ranking officer with
credible credentials. Is he telling the truth? Is he another dis info agent ? or an
ageing witness telling the truth, with TPTB knowing the mainstream will not take
him seriously.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83839-The-Crop-Circles-Link-To-Magnetic-Energy

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Who is col Corso......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Corso

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Lt. Colonel Philip J. Corso was a highly decorated Army officer who served in World War II and the Korean War.

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Published on 27 Apr 2015

Philip J. Corso says that he actually saw the body of a dead alien recovered from
the Roswell wreckage of 1947. For more than 50 years now, the world has been
captivated by the Roswell incident, and Colonel Philip J. Corso, retired American
Army officer, now deceased, has left us details of what he saw in 1947 at Fort Riley
in Kansas. He is the highest ranking officer to come forward with details about the
famous New Mexico crash.

Becky

23rd July 2015, 20:02

Cidersomerset

23rd July 2015, 20:02

I'm browsing thru my archive which is a bit chaotic...LOL

A few cases that are very interesting imo , some well known
others not so...........

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October 2014 Last updated at 01:31

The day UFOs stopped playBy Richard Padula
BBC World Service Sport

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The Stadio Artemi Franchi in 1954, the year the UFOs were sighted

Sixty years ago a football match ground to a halt when unidentified flying objects were
spotted above a stadium in Florence. Did aliens come to earth? If not, what were they?

It was 27 October 1954, a typically crisp autumn day in Tuscany. The mighty Fiorentina
club was playing against its local rival Pistoiese.

Ten-thousand fans were watching in the concrete bowl of the Stadio Artemi Franchi. But
just after half-time the stadium fell eerily silent - then a roar went up from the crowd. The
spectators were no longer watching the match, but were looking up at the sky, fingers
pointing. The players stopped playing, the ball rolled to a stand-still.

One of the footballers on the pitch was Ardico Magnini - he was something of a legend
at the club and had played for Italy at the 1954 World Cup.

"I remember everything from A to Z," he says. "It was something that looked like an egg
that was moving slowly, slowly, slowly. Everyone was looking up and also there was some
glitter coming down from the sky, silver glitter.

"We were astonished we had never seen anything like it before. We were absolutely shocked."

Players pointing up at the sky
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Play was suspended because spectators saw something in the sky, according to the
referee's match report.

Among the crowd was Gigi Boni, a lifelong Fiorentina fan. "I remember clearly seeing this
incredible sight," he says. His description of multiple objects differs slightly from Magnini's.

"They were moving very fast and then they just stopped. It all lasted a couple of minutes.
I would like to describe them as being like Cuban cigars. They just reminded me of Cuban
cigars, in the way they looked."

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La Nazione had a photo of the UFO over Florence La Nazione's headline reads: Glass fibres
fall on Tuscan cities after globes and flying saucers pass by. Lower headline: The sighting
over Florence (with a photograph, now lost, of the UFO).

Boni has spent many years reliving that day in his mind. "I think they were extra-terrestrial.
That's what I believe, and there's no other explanation I can give myself."

Another of the players, Romolo Tuci, still sprightly in his 70s, agrees. "In those years everybody
was talking about aliens, everybody was talking UFOs and we had the experience, we saw them,
we saw them directly, for real."

The incident at the stadium cannot simply be interpreted as mass hysteria - there were numerous
UFO sightings in many towns across Tuscany that day and over the days that followed. According
to some eyewitness accounts a ray of white light was seen in the sky coming from Prato,
north of Florence.

Another man who relishes the chance to speak about that day is Roberto Pinotti, the president of
Italy's National UFO Centre. He has written many books about UFOs and his home in the centre of
Florence is stuffed full of alien memorabilia, posters of old Italian B-movies, framed newspaper
articles and black-and-white photographs of blurry flying saucers.

"The players and the public were stunned seeing these objects above the stadium," Pinotti says.

"At the time the newspapers spoke of aliens from Mars. Of course now we know that is not so - but
we may conclude that it was an intelligent phenomenon, a technological phenomenon and a
phenomenon that cannot be linked with anything we know on Earth."

He's also intrigued by the material that fell from the sky - what Magnini describes as silver glitter.

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Illustration showing flying saucers over Florence "A wave of flying saucers over Italy," reported
the Domenica del Corriere three years later. With thanks to the Fondazione Corriere della Sera for
the use of material from their historic archives.

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Artist's impression of UFOs over stadium A sketch of UFOs over the stadium by Silvio Neri

"It is a fact that at the same time the UFOs were seen over Florence there was a strange, sticky
substance falling from above. In English we call this 'angel hair'," says Pinotti.

"The only problem is after a short period of time it disintegrates." As a 10-year-old-boy he witnessed
this phenomenon himself. "I remember, in broad daylight, seeing the roofs of the houses in Florence
covered in this white substance for one hour and, like snow, it just evaporated.

"No-one knows what this strange substance has to do with UFOs."

"Angel hair" - the fluff that fell from the sky

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Variously described by witnesses as similar to cotton wool or cobwebs, the substance was hard to collect
because it disintegrated on contact - but some people were determined to find out what it was.

One of them was a journalist at the Florentine newspaper La Nazione, the late Giorgio Batini. In 2003 he
told an Italian television programme, Voyager, how on that day he received hundreds of phone calls about
the sightings. From the offices of La Nazione in the centre of town his own view of the sky was blocked by
the Cathedral, so he went up to the top of the newspaper's building to see what everyone was talking about.
The 81-year-old recalled seeing "shiny balls" moving fast towards the dome of the Cathedral.

Continue reading the main story
Find out more
The players and fans from that legendary game spoke to World Football on BBC World Service.

Listen via the iPlayer

Batini ventured out to investigate. He came across a wood outside the city that was covered in the white fluff.
He gathered several samples by rolling them up on a matchstick, and took them to the Institute of Chemical
Analysis at the University of Florence. When he got there he found that others had done the same.

The lab, led by respected scientist Prof Giovanni Canneri, subjected the material to spectrographic analysis and
concluded that it contained the elements boron, silicon, calcium and magnesium, and that it was not radioactive.
Unfortunately this did not provide any conclusive answers - and the material was destroyed in the process.

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A sample of the mysterious "angel hair" A sample of the mysterious "angel hair" was photographed for the
newspapers Could it have come from a UFO? "It's an absolutely silly idea. Science totally rejects this idea,
" says US Air Force pilot-turned-astronomer James McGaha. From the Grasslands Observatory in South
Eastern Arizona he has spent more than 40,000 hours staring at the night sky. Not to mention the additional
hours he's spent in the cockpit of US fighter jets.

"You know the whole UFO phenomenon is nothing but myth, magic and superstition, wrapped up in this idea
that somehow aliens are coming here either to save us or destroy us," he says.

In McGaha's view, the whole spectacle, "angel hair" and all, was nothing more than migrating spiders.

"When I looked at this case originally I thought perhaps it was a fireball, a very bright meteor breaking up in
the atmosphere. They can be cigar-shaped with pieces breaking off. But it became fairly apparent that this
was actually caused by young spiders spinning webs, very, very thin webs.

"The spiders use these webs as sails and they link together and you get a big glob of this stuff in the sky and
the spiders ride on this to move between locations. They just fly on the wind and these things have been
recorded at 14,000 feet above the ground. So, when the sunlight glistens off this, you get all kinds of visual effects.

Short vid on migrating spider webs on link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29342407

"As some of this stuff breaks off and falls to the ground, this all seems magical of course," says McGaha.
"But I'm fairly confident that's what happened that day."

This theory is backed up by the fact that September and October are the months when spiders in the northern
hemisphere migrate - and spectacular spider migrations still make headlines today. But it hasn't convinced everyone.

"Of course I know about the migrating spiders hypothesis - it's pure nonsense. It's an old story and also a stupid
story," says Pinotti.

He disputes the spider theory because of the chemical analysis of the "angel hair" samples. Spider silk is a
protein - an organic compound containing nitrogen, calcium, hydrogen and oxygen - not the elements
reportedly found in the samples Batini and others brought to the university.

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The witnesses reunite at Stadio Artemi Franchi: Ardico Magnini, Gigi Boni, Ronaldo Lomi and Romolo Tuci Players
Ardico Magnini, Ronaldo Lomi and Romolo Tuci with their fan Gigi Boni (second left), at the ground

Sixty years on, the chances of determining the cause of the incident are slim. "I wouldn't trust any reports of an
old and strange event like this unless I'd seen the data," says science writer Philip Ball. He agrees that the
elements said to have been observed in the "angel hair" don't seem to tally with the spider theory.

"Magnesium and calcium are fairly common elements in living bodies, boron and silicon much less so - but if these
were the main elements that the white fluff contained, it doesn't sound to me as though they'd come from spiders," he says.

So it all remains a mystery. No matter what the scientists say, those who were there are convinced that what
they saw was unlike anything on earth.

Romolo Tuci just feels lucky to have been there. His eyes dance excitedly as he remembers that curious day.
"I was spell-bound and I was also so, so happy."

Video of spiders ballooning courtesy of Rob Ferber, Little Grove Farm

Additional research by Vibeke Venema

Listen again to the Mystery of the Fiorentina UFOs as featured on World Football on BBC World Service.

Subscribe to the BBC News Magazine's email newsletter to get articles sent to your inbox.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29342407

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UFO Files of the Italian Air Force

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Published on 16 Dec 2013
Dr. Roberto Pinotti.

For more information, visit http://www.SiriusDisclosure.com.

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Cidersomerset

23rd July 2015, 20:08

After WW 11 in particular , especially after the atomic bomb explosions and the
beginning of the cold war , various ET groups started to visit earth worried that
as Stanton Friedman often says " The Kids have found the matches "

In Italy as elsewhere contacts and sightings were being reported, one case
was about a group of visitors based in Italy, I don't know if they were responcible
for the incident above, but is an intriguing case by itself....

http://divinecosmos.com/images/image/friendship_et_title.jpg
1950's Human ETs Prepare Us For Golden Age

Human ETs visited Earth in the 1950s and told us Ascension would be attainable in
the near future, thanks to a natural cycle. Stunning new videos and documents
have emerged to make the case!

http://i41.tinypic.com/2sb0bqw.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249110
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May 18, 2011

Entrance to alien base at Rocca Pia, Italy discovered as two aliens met with Italians, UFO Sighting News.

Meet Kenio. Through some analysys on the photo it was established that this "fellow" is over 2.4 meter tall...

oh, I forgot...he is an alien of the W56 group, also known as Akrij.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GoVPxpm5Q8o/TdSakgI84UI/AAAAAAAAA10/89P-a9j4HIQ/s400/Kenio%252C+W56.jpg

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Entrance to alien base at Rocca Pia, Italy discovered as two aliens met with
Italians, UFO Sighting News. Aliens give message of HOPE, FRIENDSHIP and LOVE.

http://scottcwaring.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/60af88c0-710b-4d4e-b928-98c757d93dc3113.jpg

It had been kept secret for half a century, but only just recently came to light
after the death of one the men involved (Bruno Sammaciccia had asked for it to
be kept secret until after his death).

http://scottcwaring.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/533dc164-1f10-4fa5-bfb6-8dce37aa75a2114.jpg

In Pescara, during the 50s to 70s, a group of extraterrestrials had contacted a
number of unsuspecting people directly. This project was called 'Amicizia.' These
men would be brought to their (etheric) 'bases' located on earth and apparently
on board the UFOs.

The people involved were of high social and cultural status, among them was the
notable Console Alberto Perego. This is a collection of testimonials from them,
which also shows excellent quality footage and photography of the phenomena,
as well as apparent 'messages' (of love and goodwill) given to us from these beings.
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This may just be coincidence, but Robert "Bob" Lazar, a scientist who worked on a
flying saucer in Area S4 had once stated that the USAF gave him reading info about
aliens and in the documents it stated there was 56 space faring species of aliens known.
That could explain why the aliens in Italy called themselves W56. However…the meaning
of the W has continued to elude me. (Scott C. Waring)

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The story of “Friendship” -or simply “the story”, as we always called it- is a true one.
It involved a group of Italian and non-Italian people for many years, between 1956
and 1990. Some of these people, including myself, are still alive. We had direct,
face-to-face meetings with the Friends (also called W56), who are extraterrestrials
coming both from planets in our own Galaxy (at a distance of one hundred thousand
light years) and from other Galaxies. Here on the Earth they reached the maximum
number of two hundred, living inside underground and undersea bases, some of them
along the Adriatic coast, at a depth of about 20 km/12 miles. The first, “historical”
base was located under the area of Ascoli Piceno, a small town in central Italy.

The Friends are our elder brothers. They are human. Indeed, in comparison it’s we
terrestrials who are less than human. They are much more human than we are, and
that is why they do not show themselves. They are “too” human… For us it is easy
to flatter them, but envying them is even easier, due to their perfect humaneness…

The Friends are not the only extraterrestrials who have come to the Earth. Individuals
from various other populations are among us, because the Earth is a very particular
planet inside the economy of this part of the Universe. The aim of the Friends’ presence
is not to study us (they know us quite well, better than we do ourselves!), but to help us.
In fact, the Friends are unhappy about the very high level of hate, violence and injustice
on the Earth, and about the anti-humanistic trend of our science and technology. Being
able to see our thoughts and feelings, the Friends see what we hide behind our masks,
words and smiles…

Compared with all the other populations visiting the Earth, the Friends have a quite peculiar
and precious characteristic to offer us: they have a very special and close connection with
the subtle levels that regulate the destiny of the Earth and with what they call the Soul of
the Universe, beyond the physical or phenomenal level. Thus, the Friends have a sort of
general control over everything that occurs, but they are only allowed to intervene under
particular conditions. Everything happens as in an extremely elaborate chess game, with
rules that I cannot even touch upon here.

UREDDA -in one of the Friends’ languages- is the energy that is produced by the Love between
people, particularly between the Friends and our group, following a pact between them and us
and the many events that brought us together.

UREDDA is a kind of energy, but the Friends are not the worshippers of Energy, as other
populations are. The Friends follow Love, which is also the source of good energies such as
UREDDA, but is itself beyond any energy.

http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2011/05/entrance-to-alien-base-at-rocca-pia.html

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76303-The-day-UFOs-stopped-play......Florance-Italy-1954-UFO-Files-of-the-Italian-Air-Force&p=892602#post892602

Cidersomerset

23rd July 2015, 20:18

XCon 2005 - Charles Hall - The Tall Whites - ET Experiences in the Nevada Desert

With the controversy of all contactees I thought i'd put up a presentation by
Charles Hall as a young man in the US military he had personal contact with a
group of ET's known as Tall Whites and has a detailed story to tell.....He has done
many media interviews but seems a subject not talked about much, which i find
odd as they have a base on a US military facility Nellis airforce base area 53 & 54...

The Q & A at the end is more detailed than the presentation !!

http://www.ufopsi.com/ufoph/tallwhites1.jpg

This case is sitting there quitely in the background,I just looked on U/Tube and did
a quick check and did not see a debunking vid, but i expect there is somewhere !!

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Published on 6 Jul 2012 by LostArtsMedia

Visit http://www.X-Conference.com

THE TALL WHITES: ET EXPERIENCES IN THE NEVADA DESERT, with Charles James
Hall - Charles Hall was a weather observer in the United States Air Force during the
mid-sixties. He was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base and the Indian Springs
gunnery ranges outside Las Vegas, followed by a year in Viet Nam. After the
service, Charles married and earned a Masters degree in Nuclear Physics at San
Diego State University. He also did post graduate work at the University of Maine at
Bangor. Raising a family pushed memories of the terror and unprecedented
experiences on the Indian Springs gunnery ranges into the background, but they
couldn’t be forgotten. Charles began work writing his memoirs for his children and
grandchildren in his spare time. Eighteen years later, his wife Marie convinced him
to publish what eventually became the Millennial Hospitality series of three books.
Because of the nature of the material, it seemed prudent to change the names of
friends and places to protect the privacy of others. The Millennial Hospitality series
is an account of one man’s experiences with extraterrestrials in the Nevada desert
while in the service of the government.

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http://www.exopoliticsohio.us/images/Tall%20Whites.jpg

Theres alot of info and photos on this link...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_hall02.htm

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A couple of more recent interviews ....

http://www.exopoliticsohio.us/CharlesHall.html

Charles Hall Interview on Ohio Exopolitics Radio
1.August 27, 2010 Charles Hall Millenial Hospitality

At the start of this interview Charles Wife gives her view about charles experiance
and shegave copies of his first three books to Pope Benidict.Who did acknowledge
receiving them via a secretary .....

Charles Hall, was a weather observer in the United States Air Force from 1965-1967
at Indian Springs Nevada. According to Charles, a large black titanium mother ship
would land at Dog Bone lake every two weeks near area 54 and then move into the
side of a mountain where the aliens were dug in.

Charles has written four books about his experiences in the Area 51-54 complex
during 1965-1967. Charles spoke and interacted with a group of individuals he calls
the tall whites the he believes are from a planet somewhere near the star
Arturus.

Tall Whites

Charles describes his time at Indian Springs and his experience with the Tall
Whites. Charles was stationed on the edge of Las Vegas north of Indian Springs
Nevada which is across the mountains from area 51. There is an alien base near
Indian Springs if you look straight north the mountains at the far end of the valley
then you will see the area near the base. Charles would get up at 3 am and take
weather measurements like wind speed.

Charles Hall claims to have witnessed and interacted with a race of extraterrestrials
he described as 'tall whites' while serving at Nellis Airforce Base as a duty weather
observer from 1965-67. In his four volume memoirs, Millennial Hospitality, he
claims that the experiences were real and that the US Air Force were indeed
hosting extraterrestrials they had reached agreements with. The tall whites are
humanoid in appearance

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February 2012
Discussion with Charles Hall
(MP3 Audio Archive: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3 of 3)
http://www.ncrising.com/vibrational_voyage.html

Charles James Hall, author of Millennial Hospitality, talks with me about his
personal interactions with humanoid extra-terrestrial beings that are known as the
Tall Whites. Charlie has a master's degree in nuclear physics. He is a keen observer
and has some highly insightful theories about gravity, energy fields, and faster than
light propulsion based on his own direct observations of the technology possessed
and used by the Tall Whites. In the first part of the interview Charlie's wife, Marie,
introduces him and talks about her impressions of Charlie's extraordinary
experiences. Charlie talks about his interactions and experiences with three distinct
extra-terrestrial groups (Tall Whites, Norweigan, and Greys). Charlie also shares his
observations about the energy fields apparent in power and propulsion systems
used by the Tall Whites. Charlie talks at length about the experience of having daily
interactions with extra-terrestrial beings. In part 3, Charlie describes what he
knows about the documented explanation for the sequence of events composing
the July 1947 Roswell Incident -- he provides an explanation unlike anything I've
ever heard before. In the closing minutes, Charlie talks about Mt. Charleston (near
Las Vegas) as a place where you can safely go to observe and perhaps even
interact with the Tall Whites. You can get more information about Charlie's books at www.millennialhospitality.com

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click here for larger image...
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_hall02d.htm

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At any rate, if Arcturus or something close to Arcturus may be significant in
connection with the activities of the Tall Whites, it would be well to review a little
basic information about this star.
Arcturus, the alpha star of the constellation Boötes, is the fourth brightest star in
the sky. A spectral type K1 star, an orange giant, Arcturus has ceased fusing
hydrogen in its core. With 1.5 times the mass of our Sun, it releases 215 times
more radiation, a considerable portion of which is in the infrared.

Boötes is one of the oldest defined constellations, having been mentioned in
Homer’s The Odyssey. This constellation has figured in other contact cases.

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The Bootes is also where the Illuminatti say the Booteans who created us by
changing a existing earth hominoid Cro Magnon come from.............
Which i have posted in several places and deffinately worth a place in the UFO
library in you brain...LOL...

What the Illuminati Know about ET's & Human evolution.....

This video presentation is from the 1999 UFOCON conference.....
A young looking 77yr old Bob presents from illuminati documentation....

A must watch to add to your education imho ...steve...

These are MP4 vids....

http://fivebodied.com/archives/audio/catalog/Bob_Video/1999-08-17--
UFOCON/1999-08-17--IntUFOCon--Part_1.mp4

Part 2 he explains Decell water.......

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38141-What-the-Illuminati-
Know-about-ET-s-Human-evolution

It explains a great deal , he has had close contact with Marshall Mc Cune and
Walter Bowart......

Bobs Timeline...If the above links are not working for some reason. Click on below
link and scroll down to 1999 UFOCON ....

http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audio/catalog/CompleteBobTimeline.html

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Cidersomerset

23rd July 2015, 20:53

Thanks Cider for posting the video of Jessie - what a wonderful woman to stand
by what she saw and not pretend it didn't happen. I wonder if they were Nordics or
Plejaren or another race that she saw?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MLdD5LtDHGY/U8hhmVxLBmI/AAAAAAAABwQ/PYzGl0tgO-g/s1600/jessie_roestenberg_blondes_UK_ufo_sighting_nordics_aliens.jpg

Hi Becky I first saw this clip on Arthur C Clarks Mysterious world
back in early 1980's and she seemed credible then and now imo.
The craft she saw is of the basic generic saucer shape and is
used by many visitors it seems.....

Meier took a number of photos of Asket's, and her people's, UFOs over the Ashoka
Ashram, in the mid 1960's,using an old Kodak bellows type (folding) camera, which
he later sold in Kurdistan:

http://theyfly.com/2.%20India%201964.jpg

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Billy Meier

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81723-Billy-Meier

Billy Meier and Ptaah (ET) talking about 2012....Contact 476 3/2/2009

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43426-Billy-Meier-and-Ptaah--ET--talking-about-2012....Contact-476-3-2-2009&p=548060#post548060

Cidersomerset

23rd July 2015, 21:00

Re: FADE TO BLACK Jimmy Church interviews James Fox (to dislose Spielberg letter): also Ruwa UFO incident

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81619-FADE-TO-BLACK-Jimmy-Church-interviews-James-Fox--to-dislose-Spielberg-letter--also-Ruwa-UFO-incident&p=954050#post954050

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Ariel School UFO Sighting in Ruwa, Zimbabwe – September 1994

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Published on 29 Jul 2014

On the morning of September 16, 1994, teachers and school officials at the Ariel School
in Ruwa, Zimbabwe were amazed when the school’s students, aged approximately 5 to
12 years old, reported that a flying object had landed on the school grounds.

The teachers at the school were in a meeting, so the 62 children were basically
unsupervised while in the schoolyard on morning recess. The only available adult seems
to have been one of the mothers, who was operating the school tuck shop – a sort of
snack bar where candy, snacks and sodas are sold.

According to some sources, UFOs had been seen in the skies over Zimbabwe for two
days before the incident occurred. Ruwa is about 20 kilometers from Harare, the capitol
of Zimbabwe. Ariel School is a private elementary school with students of mixed ethnic
heritage.

For more information on Ruwa Incident, please visit our headquarters at: www.sacseti.co.za

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Randall Nickerson Ruwa, Zimbabwe Africa UFO Encounter

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Bluegreen

23rd July 2015, 22:44

Thank you Cidersomerset for posting a wealth of information in one place
Click on the following from The International Business Times from ten days ago
At your own risk
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/alien-life-ufo-cover-secret-evidence-about-extraterrestrials-be-revealed-by-german-government-1510463
(Paraphrasing) "German Government To Reveal Secret UFO Documents"

Cidersomerset

23rd July 2015, 23:05

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/alien-life-...rnment-1510463
(Paraphrasing) "German Government To Reveal Secret UFO Documents"

Thanks Bluegreen , I have not heard about this , though I'm not
holding my breath they will actually disclose the real X files.
The UK has not , though there were a few good cases like
the Milton Torres case.......

Could German UFO files finally reveal whether aliens have visited Earth Court forces gov to release

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Could German UFO files finally reveal whether aliens have visited Earth?
Court forces government to release top secret documents
Existence of the UFO-related files was disputed as recently as 2008
UFO enthusiasts have pushed for their release, resulting in a legal battle
The German Supreme Administrative Court in Leipzig has ordered the
Bundestag to make the UFO files available, but no date has been confirmed
Move has been welcomed by UFO researchers, but some fear they
may not be as exciting as hoped

By Sarah Griffiths for MailOnline

Published: 17:23, 9 July 2015 | Updated: 19:43, 9 July 2015

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3155085/Could-German-UFO-files-finally-reveal-aliens-visited-Earth-Court-forces-government-release-secret-documents.html#ixzz3gl4Goxrp
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