Massive explosions in Tianjin and Shandong, China

[fifula]

Hi Guys,

Shocking videos are just being uploaded online. Not much detail on the event yet but the situation is looking disturbing enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHQPX2TJPQc
http://www.rt.com/news/312292-china-tianjin-massive-blast/

Let's send love for all the victims and affected families.

[ThePythonicCow]

The explosion was in the Chinese city of Tianjin, which is the Chinese port city on the China Sea, at its closest point to their capital city, Beijing. Beijing itself is about 100 miles (150 km) inland from the China Sea. Supposedly a shipment of explosives blew up, causing yet more explosions.

[WhiteLove]

High quality reporting as usual, thanks guys!

[Muzz]

Another video, which looks a bit closer to the explosion.

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State media says 2 firefighters missing and 300 injured. By the looks of that blast I'd say that number is considerably higher.

[idiit]

martial law imposed.

hmmmmm.......


Massive Explosion Rocks Chinese Port City, Martial Law Declared (13 Dead, 400 Hospitalized)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-12/caught-tape-mushroom-clud-forms-after-massive-explosion-rocks-chinese-port-city

[Lifebringer]

May the Creator's healing and those blessed with knowledge of burns and injury, aid these people in their time of need.

Amen

[Taurean]

I suspect the Mishpucka will be burning the midnight oil tonight.

Lx6usTIKfM4

Kali Yuga (Devanāgarī: कलियुग [kəli juɡə], lit. "age of [the demon] Kali", or "age of vice") is the last of the four stages the world goes through as part of the cycle of yugas described in the Sanskrit scriptures, within the present Mahayuga. The other ages are called Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, and Dvapara Yuga.

Kali Yuga is associated with the apocalyptic demon Kali

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga

[KiwiElf]

Sorry, but I don't believe for one second that this was an "accident". The MSM initially reported an explosion the equivalent of 4 tons of TNT; try at least 10 x that, felt 7km away. It's more like a mini-nuclear bomb going off. At least 44 people dead and over 300 injured, cars on the docks incinerated.

"Punishment" from the Cabal for lowering the value of the Yuan 3-days in a row?? (and effectively screwing the US$ even further??) Hmmmmm...

[Citizen No2]

Bloody Hell!

From the Daily Mail:


'It's what we were told a nuclear bomb would look like': Utter devastation after explosions so big they registered as earthquakes rip through Chinese warehouse killing 44 including 11 firefighters.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3195477/Fifty-people-injured-enormous-blast-explosives-shipment-hits-Chinese-city.html

Here is a comment from the comments section beneath the story:


I'm here in Beijing and tried to email you about this story DM. Our cellphones here are receiving warnings that between 4:50-5:35am local time based on wind currents that toxic fumes from the explosions will reach Beijing. We are being urged to keep doors and windows closed and avoid going outside. The worst part is that these are then followed by the advice that if you must go out wear a surgical mask. Unless I've completely missed my lessons in chemistry, a surgical mask will be entirely ineffective against a toxic cloud from a chemical/gas explosion. It is hard to know who to trust or what to do. My heart and prayers are with the victims and their families, based on photos I've seen the death toll will rise much higher.



Will have to keep eyes on this event.




Regards.

[Calz]

... and this happened in Moscow at near the same time.

Nothing to see here folks ... move along ... keep on shopping.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgCHa2yBlbA


Published on Aug 12, 2015


The Muscovites were terrified, with some even suggesting a nuclear war has begun, after a gigantic plume of thick black smoke rose hundreds of meters above the Russian capital’s skyline Wednesday.

[MorningFox]

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/CBE3/production/_84859125_826c36bf-60dc-4020-937a-2da4e98daec2.jpg

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/7689/production/_84854303_42d17377-3a9c-46b2-a67a-4ee535299a54.jpg

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/19A7/production/_84776560_gettyimages-483750558.jpg

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/26D9/production/_84854990_containers.jpg

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11A03/production/_84859127_5c28647c-fda4-4163-a939-2d091e262457.jpg

Source - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-33844086

[syrwong]

Sorry, but I don't believe for one second that this was an "accident". The MSM initially reported an explosion the equivalent of 4 tons of TNT; try at least 10 x that, felt 7km away. It's more like a mini-nuclear bomb going off. At least 44 people dead and over 300 injured, cars on the docks incinerated.

"Punishment" from the Cabal for lowering the value of the Yuan 3-days in a row?? (and effectively screwing the US$ even further??) Hmmmmm...

For whatever reasons. The sudden appearance of a huge bright ball in no time is very suspect. Though I know nothing about the mechanism of types of explosions, I would think a conventional chemical explosion grows from a small to a big thing. Albeit in a very short time, it is still visible to our eyes. The second explosion in the video is a sudden flash of a giant ball, like lightning, and quite similar to the suspected neutron bomb explosion in Yemen, or the one in Syria two or three years ago. I suspect this was an attack.

[Akasha]

Video footage of the aftermath:

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[MorningFox]

http://i.imgur.com/x4v7X5I.png

[Carmody]

edited for posterity....

[idiit]

take a look at the latest drone footage:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-13/drone-captures-apocalyptic-video-tianjin-following-mushroom-cloud-explosion

I'm thinking what you're thinking ( all viewers of this thread and this last drone video footage). what happens to anyone who messes with the frn$ ?

i'm referring to "who done it".

now, on to what type of device:


VT Nuclear Education: Fission Based Thermobaric Weapons


By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on July 8, 2014


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/08/vt-nuclear-education-fission-based-thermobaric-weapons/

wtf just got started?

[Carmody]

I would explore it as a proper weighted consideration, I would not run around wearing it as a truth, ie, defacto prejudgement.

But it is a required part of any given analysis these days.

conventional explosions, conventional materials are not 'fast enough' to cause depressions in the ground. Only nukes and well constructed thermobarics have a fast enough wave and thus high enough proximity and volume of expanding pressure, to punch a depression into the ground. conventional explosives explode slow enough that the wave expands and disperses above the explosion point and thus no ground depression. The only way they can crater, is if they are in the ground when they go off. Conventional explosives, underground, or shot into ground, they disperse soil, etc. Thermobarics and nukes do not scatter dirt, etc. depending on ground proximity when ignited..they forcefully depress the ground. In the limited views seen so far, I see no depression.

[Selkie]

...wtf just got started?

I know. I'm asking myself that same question.

[giovonni]

hmm ...

A very interesting but frightening analysis ...
And if one is to believe such, either the so called container device went off way/way prematurely ...
Or it's timing mechanism was impeccable precise.

[Carmody]

This is the sort of thing a developing country can make as a mistake. Storage of 'ignitable' materials in areas ----where they should not be.

First world countries have made all those mistakes already, long ago. Laws and procedures are in place, due to these prior mistakes... to ensure that if problems occur, the losses and dangers are minimized.

These kinds of mistakes, in the past, with over 1,600 people killed instantly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion).

These are the specs on the Halifax explosion, which is linked above.

http://static.pechakucha.org/pechakucha/uploads/blog_attachment/image/524bf5a84f5c29e4f4000004/large_wide_explode.jpg

Note that a 7 million pound boat hull was tossed 1000 feet up into the air.

[idiit]

^ I sincerely hope so.

pretty extreme coincidence though considering the latest yuan devaluations, brics alliance moving swiftly to physical gold backed global currency.

without the ability to virtually create trillion$ out of thin air the cabal's bite loses its teeth.

what happens to the funding of ssp like projects? no reference to corey. they do exist. his specific story is lacking credibility atm.

that drone footage is pretty revealing.

edited to add: numerous articles out stating the cabal needs wwIII.

[Carmody]

It can be an entirely conventional chemical based explosion, but also be a condition, a situation noted, that was preset as a thing to be taken advantage of, if the need, or requirement to do so, was to come along.

Ie, Assets in place..... issue arises.... message sent.

Things of this nature with basically perfected timing in the world of..world affairs.. well. Lets just say there are no coincidences. None anyway, that fit situations so perfectly, especially in a new world of covert war, where the pubic, it's given conditional state and the entire landscape are part of the theater of war.

Not specifically true but undeniably on the table of things that need be considered, as 'definite potential explanations'.

[Selkie]

We are so used to "connecting the dots" that its easy to forget that sometimes the dots only seem to connect, when in reality, they might not be connected at all in a given situation.

[syrwong]

I don't believe a nuclear war starts in 2015 . However mini nukes did seem to have exploded. This explosion in TianJin reminded me of the front cover of the 2015 Economist magazine.

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The nuclear explosion in the magazine cover is right below China (in the globe). And China is angry at the West. All arial videos are filmed by drones, and do we see a drone there.

[Selkie]

I suspect the Mishpucka will be burning the midnight oil tonight.

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Kali Yuga (Devanāgarī: कलियुग [kəli juɡə], lit. "age of [the demon] Kali", or "age of vice") is the last of the four stages the world goes through as part of the cycle of yugas described in the Sanskrit scriptures, within the present Mahayuga. The other ages are called Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, and Dvapara Yuga.

Kali Yuga is associated with the apocalyptic demon Kali

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga

I think it might be Kali and Shiva, both. But then, they are one and the same, after all.

[fifula]

I agree with Selkie, we simply dont know yet. Also I dont consider China as 'developing' country that lacks security procedures for handling dangerous shipments anymore. Let's watch coming days as I'm sure there will be some interesting news that may look like linked. Personally, I would not expect any 'explosive' headlines but rather more economic news that may be connected, perhaps considered as 'retaliations' to what happend last night. China and Russia have enough economic instruments at this stage to pull the plug on whoever plotted that incident.

[idiit]

Follow this through, a stronger dollar will decrease our exports and slow our already slow or negative economy. A too strong dollar can actually undermine itself and even kick off a derivatives chain explosion. Our banks and brokers are very thinly capitalized, can they withstand losses in derivatives caused by a currency crisis? Can they withstand the losses from failed counterparties unable to pay? Do you see? A currency crisis “caused” by China could be a calamity


This is where it gets weird or some might say “coincidental”. Did anyone see the explosion at the Chinese port city of Tianjin yesterday? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_92WaPxeqCs “ Yesterday” being one day after China devalued their currency? I am no rocket scientist and cannot say for sure, but does this not look like a nuclear explosion? Can someone out there explain to me in simple terms how a chemical explosion could look like this? As for the word “coincidence”, the CIA says there is no such thing as a coincidence!


Because the financial sparring between East and West may have taken a very serious turn yesterday and I seriously believe a tactical nuke was set off. If this is the case, China will provide proof and they will retaliate. I believe the smoldering stages of what was a financial/technological/trade war have now become hot and the first shot was fired. I truly do ask for comments regarding what happened in Tianjin. Please do not send me opinions, I would like to hear exactly why or why not the explosion was nuclear. I will believe a tactical nuke until someone proves to me it was not.


Did the FINAL WAR Just Start? (Was a Tactical Nuke Just Detonated in Tianjin?)

Posted on August 13, 2015 by The Doc

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http://www.silverdoctors.com/did-the-final-war-just-start-did-the-us-just-detonate-a-tactical-nuke-in-tianjin/#more-56835

[ghostrider]

I smell ISIS , terror attacks coordinated on the same day ...

[Citizen No2]

Just heard this on the ITV news (UK).

"Nuclear and biological experts are helping to investigate the scene"


Well, well, well.


Regards.

[MorningSong]

Here is an interesting vid of a translated news release translated from the original chinese, fwiw....

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[idiit]

the present financial system is hyper-leveraged; accepted as fact by all financial experts.

the derivatives are pretty much undisclosed, unregulated. they are massive; many times larger than global gdp.

jim willie likens them to pylons:
Pylon, a support structure for suspension bridges or highways

the system is vey delicate due to the hyper-leveraging. the pylons are used to support a financial system that would implode on its own without the artificial support system ( derivatives) to temporarily keep it from collapsing under its own weight. any major movement in any of the many and varied financial system's components will immediately cause the domino effect cascade to initiate. once started, no stopping the dramatic collapse. we are talking about the entire global hyper-leveraged financial system built upon the fake foundation of fake money ( fiat currencies created not from collateral based foundation, but rather out of debt created fiat currencies). for the first time in the history of man there is no sovereign nation using real money (collateral based). all sovereign nations use fiat currency based mediums of exchange (fiat currency).

the very recent Chinese currency devaluations have delivered seismic shock waves to the global financial system; initiated a never ending downward spiral of " race to debase". all exporting nations ( manufactured goods, commodities like copper, iron ore, coal, etc...) will have to lower the purchasing power of their nation's fiat currency to keep them competitive price wise.

the financial systems derivatives cannot withstand even small movement. the yuan currency devaluations are seismic 10 shocks.

this is called the "currency wars" in the latest financial articles.

^ this is why the financial experts are tying what happened to china re what looks to possibly be akin to but not exactly a mini-nuke detonation.

edited: most world governments are not "our government; governments that represent the ppl's interests". they are all cabal controlled atm. the cabal had their ability to virtually create trillion$ of the world's global currency ( all international transactions until very recently had to be settled in frn$) threatened. any nation, any leader, any person that threatens the cabal's virtually unlimited purchasing power is dealt with severely. gaddafi ( for example) was disemboweled by a knife up his lower intestines and the action was taped and distributed on the internet. his crime was trying to release a physical gold backed sovereign currency.

[kerbie]

Just heard this on the ITV news (UK).

"Nuclear and biological experts are helping to investigate the scene"


Well, well, well.


Regards.

The Chinese authority are called the Nuclear and Biological experts roughly when translated. They deal with both. They are there because of the biological impacts of many of the chemcials stored in the vicinity of the Tianjin explosion.

I'm a Beijinger and have been privy to lots of the information and misinformation so hopefully I can dispel a lot of the rumours and nonsense surrounding this.

1) It was not a nuclear explosion. Lots of explosions make mushroom clouds and the like. Even the pyro departments on films make these explosions all the time, completely radiation free. The second explosion was caused by more oxygen. The flames from the inital impact didn't have the surface area to burn off the ammount of oxygen needed for the reaction. But the first explosion destroyed lots of buildings and foundations which allowed the chemicals and flames to spread, increase their surface area, absorb more oxygen then BOOM.

2) There's no need to punish China for devaluing the currency. In the long run, it's better for America. Now their dollars will go further when doing business in Asia. Chinese will also have to spend a lot more labour and money to do business with the west. Why punish the chinese for making themselves a little less competitive?

3) The guy that posted to the daily mail about warnings in Beijing wasn't telling the full picture. We have an application here called wechat (best described as a lovechild of facebook and whatsapp). You can instant message you friends on your phone but you can also create groups with strangers and aslo share your memories, thoughts and pictures on a feature called 'moments' which looks a lot like a facebook wall. The warnings about staying indoors and wearing surgical masks were not issued by the government but instead civillians on their 'moments' and in groups with strangers. The government later corrected the rumours saying that the wind was moving south east and taking the fumes out to see. Anyone that bothered to check could have found it out but the scare mongering is more fun.

4) The supercomputer housed near the explosion IS NOT the fastest in the world. It was 5 years ago. China now has a faster and more powerful one hosted far away. This computer wasn't destroyed, just the windows in the massive facility in which it was held. It was shut down for inspection.

5) The death toll won't be known yet. Some fires are still burning, there toxic and noxious fumes in the air and the area is on lock down to prevent further loss of life. The original reports were CONFIRMED DEAD because those bodies were easily accessible. Many bodies will have been vaporised in the explosion and it will take weeks to work out lost, missing and dead people. It's going to start raining cyanide in tianjin within the next couple of hours which will only further complicate things.

6) Please ladies and gents, I know it's fun to attach conspiracies to every event that hits the mainstream news, but I ask you to be patient with this one. It was a genuine accident and a real tragedy. The families of the dead and injured want time to mourn, not to see rumours and whispers online that the illuminati did this to punish the CCP. You only have to spend a month in China to realise how these things happen. There's no health and safety, no pride in one's work, no foresight and no critical review by outsiders. There's simply no incentive to prevent things like this because taking preventative steps to prevent the small chance of something like this happening just isn't worth the effort to most people here.

I'd be happy to answer any other questions that you may have.

N.B, I had to use a VPN to access the forum. The capture to recover my account password runs through a google script. Google is banned in China so I couldn't see the Captcha.

[Muzz]

On a scale like this some governments would call in help from all branches. Military and otherwise for expertise and decontamination equipment. I don't think it's necessarily a sign of a nuke. As others have pointed out, plenty of damage can be done with conventional cargo in adequate quantities. The SS Grandcamp in Texas City wiped out an entire fire department with fertilizer.

There's a very high probability that all sorts of nasty chemicals and biological hazards have been dispersed over this site posing a particular hazard to emergency workers and the public nearby. Ports and transport sytems worldwide are chock full of toxic crap being shipped around. There are also a lot of low level radiation sources within modern equipment which will still needs to accounted for in the emergency workers risk assessment.



State-run digital publication The Paper made a list (link in Chinese) of the categories of “dangerous goods” stored at Ruihai International Logistics, based on the company’s website:

Argon and compressed natural gas
Flammable liquids such as butanone
Flammable solids and self-combustible goods
Oxidizing agents
Toxic goods, including sodium cyanide
Corrosives, including formic acid

In March 2014, the Tianjin government held an emergency drill (link in Chinese) on highly toxic and hazardous chemicals at Ruihai International Logistics. A government inspection between November and December 2013 reported that five of the more than 4,300 containers on site were improperly encased (link in Chinese).

link (http://qz.com/478605/pick-your-poison-the-firm-behind-huge-explosions-in-tianjin-handles-all-manner-of-hazardous-chemicals/)

From Rueters -

Chinese official defends fire fighters after Tianjin blasts, experts focus on response (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/14/us-china-blast-idUSKCN0QH2B220150814)


The warehouse, designed to house dangerous and toxic chemicals, was storing mainly ammonium nitrate, potassium nitrate and calcium carbide at the time of the blasts, according to police. The official Xinhua news agency has said several containers in the warehouse caught fire before the explosions

Looking at that witches brew stored at this location I think a nuke would be an inefficient use of ones resources if you wanted to level the place. You would just need to equip your asset with a box of matches.

[Delight]

This video may have been posted. It is terrifying

https://www.facebook.com/ebaumsworld/videos/10153155166912424/

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84695797/

[Rocky_Shorz]

China's Tianjin blast sets off earthquake-recording instruments 100 miles away

"US Geological Survey says equipment in Beijing often picks up mining blasts but not explosions, and estimates the Tianjin blasts as magnitude 2 or 3"

An explosion in China that killed at least seven people and injured hundreds more was registered by the US Geological Survey as two small seismological actions followed by one big one at a seismometer station 160km (100 miles) away in Beijing.

The USGS equipment is meant to detect seismological activity like earthquakes, but also frequently picks up activity from mining blasts.

USGS geophysicist John Bellini said it is rare to detect seismological activity from other events, like the explosion in Tianjin. “Blasts that are not mine-related are rare to record, just because they don’t get transferred into the ground very well,” he said.

Bellini said that it looks like multiple blasts were recorded at the Beijing monitoring facility, but the agency is not completely certain that the activity came from the explosion in Tianjin. The nature of the blast means that the seismological monitor does not give a completely accurate assessment of the explosion’s magnitude, he said.

“I can’t really give you an accurate magnitude picture – because it is one station and I don’t know how much air blast and how much of it is ground vibration, so I can’t give any precise magnitude measure for it,” Bellini said.

He did say that a safe estimate for the explosion is that it registered between a magnitude 2 and 3 on the Richter scale.

“That doesn’t accurately portray the amount of energy in the explosion, just because it isn’t transferred to the ground very well,” said Bellini.

Citing the verified Weibo account of the China Earthquake Networks Centre, AFP reported the magnitude of the first explosion was the equivalent of detonating three tons of TNT, while the second was the equivalent of detonating 21 tons of the explosive." link (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/12/china-explosion-earthquake-recording-instruments-beijing?CMP=twt_b-gdnnews)

could a meteor like the one that hit Iran have hit the warehouse?

They say a pea sized meteor can be picked up by seismographs, the one that hit Chelyabinsk in Russia was picked up 100 miles away...

[t2016]

China explosions: Potent chemical mix behind Tianjin blasts
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-33923478


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_p0e40fg8E

The problem is as follows (in Chinese):

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/天津-危城-毒霧漂流-生態巨災-215508785.html

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/700噸山埃恐爆毒水災難-210034645.html
Please pay attention to the map. You may find something very "SOMETHING"
Tianjin -> North Korea & South Korea -> Japan (Horizontal)
Tianjin -> Shanghai -> Canton -> Hong Kong (Vertical)

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/天津爆炸核心區東面據報發現氰化物-053601548.html
They found Cyanide

[ThePythonicCow]

China explosions: Potent chemical mix behind Tianjin blasts
Thanks for the update, t2016. I merged your post in with the earlier thread covering these explosions.

[Citizen No2]

I'd like to throw this into the mix, a report from Jim Stone. Follow the link for pictures.

http://82.221.129.208/ab6index.html


UPDATE: ANOTHER BLOCKBUSTER: Blasts were NOT RELATED, blast 1, the small blast, happened on the West side of the container lot, and was the crater everyone first saw with containers laying in it, thinking that was from the big blast. It was not. Blast 2, the lake making nuke type blast, happened on the East side of the container lot. The fire happened to the South of both blasts, approximately centered between them, and was ONLY A FIRE, there is no conceivable way it could produce blasts on both sides of a container lot, separated by over 200 yards. The materials in question simply could not do it. The warehouse that supposedly holding whatever exploded was erased by the large blast, as was everything else around that blast.


The crater pictures people posted previously were from the small blast, not the big one, a new picture which clearly shows where the big blast went off just got released by China. After looking through the images of the soviet nuclear tests, the new lake in China appears to have been made by a slightly sub surface burst of at least a 5 kiloton nuclear bomb. There is no way the earthquake from this was in the 2's. Take a look at the pond made by a test of a small nuclear weapon ground burst in Russia and compare it to that new lake in China, which is many times as big as the pond made by a nuclear test in Russia!


Now we have limited options for this blast, since nothing stored there could have possibly done this.
This was NOT an accident and the fracture pattern around the crater proves a sub ground burst. If it was a sub ground burst,then a small nuclear weapon is the biggest possibility because once a nuke has to push dirt, the blinding flash will not happen. A slightly subsurface detonation would explain why camera sensors did not get strange artifacts. And if it was not a nuke, it was something else incredibly huge, but not a fuel air bomb because fuel air bombs will not leave craters.

A little bit more of a detailed explanation: If the blast happened at ground level, almost all of the energy would go upwards and the blast would not have made a large deep crater, especially one large enough and deep enough to make that lake. If you look to the right hand side of the lake, you can see fracture patterns in the earth, which were caused by the earth being compressed sideways and not downwards. This would only be done with a sub surface blast. After the blast, the earth bounced back towards the center of the lake, which opened up the cracks.

Look closely at the ground around the lake. Those who claimed it was not a nuke cited the fact that if it was, everything around the crater would be vaporized and wiped clean. Now that we have the real crater pic from the big blast, YEP, it matches that perfectly. Take a look at the containers laying in the lower left corner of this picture - they have no paint or color, which means they had the surfaces incinerated by intense heat only a nuke or other super weapon would reach. If this was a carbide blast, they would be black or have their original colors to some degree, complete color change to only gray proves this explosion was FREAKING HOT.
That type and size of blast crater will only happen if a massive bomb goes off a few feet underground, such as a tactical nuke in a drain pipe which leaves scant few alternative options (see Rod from God), No chemical blast did that, PERIOD. The building that is still standing in the upper right hand side of the frame is a typical example of what is left after a nuclear test, concrete buildings seldom get leveled, but they do get gutted by nuclear blasts. Just look through pictures of the soviet nuclear tests and you will see this. Bottom line? The aftermath is completely consistent with a nuclear blast.

I think a glue fire was started as an excuse for this huge blast, which came considerably later. And who knows what made the first big blast, or smaller blasts that led up to it, but I am confident it was a show and not an accident. They wanted this filmed from all angles and set up the show to make sure people would be recording when the big one went off. If there were lots of little blasts before that, why was there not a single small blast after the big one? That is when I would think the small blasts should have started if this entire scenario was not contrived from the start.


Drone footage from the site. See the lake that has formed starting at 1:17.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c9_1439603746


And just watch this footage from a car-dash cam of the two explosions. See how it is like day light for extended periods of time, this is something Oppenheimer talked about after the Trinity test.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=160_1439476837


Interesting, no?


Regards.

[Möbius]

That is exactly what I thought including the mini nuke...

[Möbius]

Sorry, but I don't believe for one second that this was an "accident". The MSM initially reported an explosion the equivalent of 4 tons of TNT; try at least 10 x that, felt 7km away. It's more like a mini-nuclear bomb going off. At least 44 people dead and over 300 injured, cars on the docks incinerated.

"Punishment" from the Cabal for lowering the value of the Yuan 3-days in a row?? (and effectively screwing the US$ even further??) Hmmmmm...

That is exactly what I thought including the mini nuke...

[idiit]

9/11 Science: Craters and Explosive Damage


By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on June 22, 2015


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/22/911-science-craters-produced-by-explosions-on-the-soil-surface/

^ very topic related article. lots and lots of good stuff.


Neutron radiation and EMP appears to be responsible for the “toasted cars” found near Ground Zero. What is neutron radiation? From the Shots Across the Bow Blog:


We have evidence of nuclear fission and fusion taking place at Ground Zero. Fission triggered fusion bombs fit the evidence. These bombs had limited but powerful blast effects, a burst of neutron radiation as well as EMP effects. Mini-neutron bombs appear to be what was used


Mystery Solved: The WTC was Nuked on 9/11

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/01/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/

^one of several vt articles. imo they did the best work.

the staff at vt have basically stated and then linked to scientific evidence that the cabal has a variety of new types of bombs available at their disposal. there is ample evidence that many of these different wmd's are currently being used in the middle east.

we don't know what type of device (if any) was used to detonate the china disaster. it is very suspicious timing and the cabal has a long track record of employing these means to achieve their agenda.

[ghostrider]

back in the 1980's when I was in the Army , we had nukes that would fit in a briefcase ... now they have them that have all the bang of the big ones without the radiation ... just saying ... sidebar , the whole thing looks like a staged event , I wonder who carried insurance on the facility ???

[Rocky_Shorz]

With the new technology from the engineers on flight 370, miniature robots were to be made that fire a micro nuke the size of a BB...

With Corey's advanced weapons base hidden away on Mars, and Sorchas hint that is time for Project Bluebeam, it makes you wonder...

Watch what is happening in all the BRICs nations, Russian gas explosions, 27000 farmers have asked for permission to kill themselves in India...

Everything is pointing back to FED Reserve owners...

According to Fulford, China reversed its stance about closing the Fed, his report came out before this disaster.

My prayers go out to China, may they grow up and become a nation that cares for their people and not profit very soon...

Their pollution has melted the arctic... Filled the seas with enough plastic to walk on...

Who knows what the effect of these airborn chemicals will do...

Over 100 dead and 800 injured so far from this deadly explosion...

[Frenchy]

Greetings All !

Nobody thinking about Dr Judy at this moment ? I saw Flixborough (UK) on TV, and a Foreworks factory,
( France ).............. This is NOT munitions, nor gunpowder type explosives, be nice to hear from any shipping insiders ......

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EDIT ! " Fireworks " ........ sorry !

[Rocky_Shorz]

when electronics get taken out like this...


https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CMOr6TFUYAAnotJ.mp4

doesn't that show an EMP type explosion happen, or can it just be from shockwave?

[yuhui]

There are some detailed photos here:
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2015/08/he-xiaoxin-how-far-can-i-go-and-how-much-can-i-do/

Press conference:
http://shanghaiist.com/2015/08/15/tianjin_press_conf_extended_cut.php

@jekbradbury: Southern Weekly: firefighter says he sprayed water on burning container for 10mins w/o knowing it contained explosive chemicals (via @P_Zuo)

@P_Zuo: Potassium nitrate, sodium nitrate among chemicals piled at Tianjin blast site; sewage water tested positive of sodium cyanide, highly toxic

@george_chen: BREAKING: Chemical Sodium cyanide found in local sewers after #TianjinBlast

@jekbradbury: According to China Radio Int'l, explosion was at 瑞海国际物流有限公司 (Ruihai Int'l Logistics Co., Ltd.), in Dongjiang Tax-Free Port Zone @reportedly

It Is said that The company is owned by the nephew of a high rank official 李瑞环 Li Ruihuan. Also there are rumours about smuggling army weapon…hope it's just true.

[Citizen No2]

Citizen's,

what we have here is an attack. By what means, I am uncertain, but what we have witnessed is an attack by a super-power against another.

The 'official' story just does not work, on any level. I cannot stress enough, read this link for some level headed, obvious analysis of the official story and pictures. It will take less than 3 minutes of your time:


After carefully poring over the images, it is now obvious that the actual epicenter of the explosion was nowhere near ANY WAREHOUSE AT ALL,


http://82.221.129.208/ab7index.html

Just think to yourselves, "what are the media not showing us?' There is more than enough HD quality footage and pictures to do a forensic analysis of the blast-site yet we see none of these on MSM, it's all gone a little quiet.

The people that ordered this attack are so, so clever....... as is often the case with these Big False Flag events (BFF) they achieve multiple objectives. Look at this ab-so-lute-ly-shocking piece of news that seems to have been buried since this attack:


And WHY would this be done? Because a media diversion was needed to bury the fact that the NSA finally got into Hillary's hard drive, and found text strings that identify THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of classified documents that were ripped right out of the NSA's underground bases and from those bases Hillary's spooks sent them straight up to a satellite that Hillary had been handed the encryption keys for. Hillary had no clearance or authorization for that, this is a massive case of espionage blown wide open. And these text strings were found AFTER all the actual documents they came from were wiped from the hard drive during Hillary's cleanup, and were found as quotes and snips in discussion e-mails her staff overlooked during the cleanup. If Hillary does not fry for this over the next few days, you can bet on America being finished. This is the litmus test.

Boxing Day Tsunami, Fukashima, Malaysian Airlines MH370 & MH17 and now this. China & SE Asia are under heavy attack and have been for over a decade, yet we rationalise these events as 'accidents', 'coincidence'...............



We owe it to the victims, and ourselves, to not turn our discerning eye elsewhere.


Regards.

[yuhui]

“Dan Kaszeta, an expert on chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear defense, was quick to tell Popular Science that the long flash of the blast in Tianjin indicated it wasn't a nuclear explosion. Also, he said, the blasts clearly occurred in sequence, following a fire.”

http://www.popsci.com/what-caused-massive-explosion-tianjin-china

@raykwong: More than 200 nuclear and biochemical experts sent to Tianjin after explosions. http://t.co/G6p8fWkjTW http://t.co/6YxieSKGl9 MT @SkyNews

Come on, just because they sent nuclear and biochemical experts does not mean there was a nuclear bomb..

[Citizen No2]

@ yuhui

Have you even bothered to read the link I provided? Do a little research on blast characteristics, on what has been going on behind the scenes, or simply use your eyes and the skill of comparison....... it's easy to do.

That is, if you want to.

Discernment is not something you are born with, it takes practice.


Regards.

[Citizen No2]

For information purposes only. I have applied bold text to pertinent points:


FAQ:
Q: In a nutshell what is a Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapon (FGNW)?
A: It is a nuclear fusion weapon that doesn't use a fission trigger. The most feasible method to trigger fusion in a FGNW is to use microscopic amounts of anti-matter.

Q: What advantages do FGNWs have over conventional nukes?
A: They are "clean" (radioactive fallout negligible, about on par with conventional depleted uranium weapons that are already in use), they are very small (potentially can fit in your pocket), and fill in the "yield gap" between the most powerful conventional weapons and the lowest yield conventional nukes.

Q: Will FGNWs really be more politically acceptable to use in actual combat?
A: Who knows? Only time can tell for certain, but their "radioactive cleanness" is a compelling argument in favor for it.

Q: What would be the TNT equivalent of a FGNW be?
A: A 3 gram pellet of fusion fuel would release around 302 gigajoules of energy (about 72 tons of TNT), so around that.

Q: Wouldn't FGNWs be attractive for nuclear terrorism?
A: No, it's easier to build conventional nuclear weapons. FGNWs require extremely large particle accelerators to manufacture the antimatter necessary for the FGNW. A terrorist who wants a suitcase nuke is better off with something like the M-388 Davy Crockett.


A theatre, a 'live' test, is always desirable by The Psychopaths(TM) for their weapons of coercion.



Regards.

[Ewan]

I would explore it as a proper weighted consideration, I would not run around wearing it as a truth, ie, defacto prejudgement.

But it is a required part of any given analysis these days.

conventional explosions, conventional materials are not 'fast enough' to cause depressions in the ground. Only nukes and well constructed thermobarics have a fast enough wave and thus high enough proximity and volume of expanding pressure, to punch a depression into the ground. conventional explosives explode slow enough that the wave expands and disperses above the explosion point and thus no ground depression. The only way they can crater, is if they are in the ground when they go off. Conventional explosives, underground, or shot into ground, they disperse soil, etc. Thermobarics and nukes do not scatter dirt, etc. depending on ground proximity when ignited..they forcefully depress the ground. In the limited views seen so far, I see no depression.

Sorry, are you saying conventional explosives don't make a crater unless they are in the ground?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Bishopsgate_bombing

I know about this first hand as I worked on building investigations after the blast. I saw the crater in the road. The bomb was in a truck at least 2 feet of the ground, with a metal floor between it and the ground.

http://thewholecow.net/wp-content/uploads/bishopsgate-bomb-crater-1993.jpg

[Citizen No2]

Anakie,

the annular cracks around the epicentre of the Chinese explosion prove only one of two possible causes:

1. Nuclear detonation.

2. Extreme kinetic impact.

Only these two possibilities can result in the crater characteristics and annular cracks that we can see. A conventional explosion does not create the sideways compression and release within the ground as evidenced by the high quality pictures available of the epicentre. Depletion within the thermobaric radius, again, points to only one of the two possible causes......... Nothing else.

Not TNT, not glue, not conventional chemicals. None.

New evidence today shows before and after pictures of the epicentre of the explosion. Where the now 3 acre lake is sited, the epicentre, there is pictorial proof that there was not, and never had been, any type of structure, let alone a warehouse, at the epicentre.


I am not prone to getting straight onboard the conspiracy train.

The evidence points, shouting, to an event that is not as portrayed by the media.

Why?



Regards.

[Selkie]

Citizen's,

what we have here is an attack. By what means, I am uncertain, but what we have witnessed is an attack by a super-power against another.

The 'official' story just does not work, on any level. I cannot stress enough, read this link for some level headed, obvious analysis of the official story and pictures. It will take less than 3 minutes of your time:


After carefully poring over the images, it is now obvious that the actual epicenter of the explosion was nowhere near ANY WAREHOUSE AT ALL,


http://82.221.129.208/ab7index.html

Just think to yourselves, "what are the media not showing us?' There is more than enough HD quality footage and pictures to do a forensic analysis of the blast-site yet we see none of these on MSM, it's all gone a little quiet.

The people that ordered this attack are so, so clever....... as is often the case with these Big False Flag events (BFF) they achieve multiple objectives. Look at this ab-so-lute-ly-shocking piece of news that seems to have been buried since this attack:


And WHY would this be done? Because a media diversion was needed to bury the fact that the NSA finally got into Hillary's hard drive, and found text strings that identify THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of classified documents that were ripped right out of the NSA's underground bases and from those bases Hillary's spooks sent them straight up to a satellite that Hillary had been handed the encryption keys for. Hillary had no clearance or authorization for that, this is a massive case of espionage blown wide open. And these text strings were found AFTER all the actual documents they came from were wiped from the hard drive during Hillary's cleanup, and were found as quotes and snips in discussion e-mails her staff overlooked during the cleanup. If Hillary does not fry for this over the next few days, you can bet on America being finished. This is the litmus test.

Boxing Day Tsunami, Fukashima, Malaysian Airlines MH370 & MH17 and now this. China & SE Asia are under heavy attack and have been for over a decade, yet we rationalise these events as 'accidents', 'coincidence'...............



We owe it to the victims, and ourselves, to not turn our discerning eye elsewhere.


Regards.

When I look at this picture, from the link that Citzen No 2 provided,

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it looks like something came in at an angel from the lower left of the picture and buried itself in the ground, compressing and lifting the earth and cracking it, as can be see on the upper right edge of the lake. You can also see the angel of entry, because in the lower left of the picture, there is a track or channel that has been gouged out, and where the debris has been pushed to the each side.

[Citizen No2]

Thank you Selkie.

My view is that the area of the crater you are referring to is showing an effect of it's geological make-up rather than evidence of a shallow angle-of-attack weapon. I have read the speculation of an attack by an exotic, space-based platform, i.e. Rods from God. If this was the case I am sure there would be footage, or reports at the very least, of a 'meteor' above the area. Those kinetic weapons come in at a speed of some 37,000 ft per second, the same speed as a meteorite due to the density of our atmosphere.

This is one case were the dots definitely need connecting.

If you would like a Litmus Test for web-sites that purportedly expose truth, just have a look around and see who is not discussing this. Fukashima too.

The silence is deafening.


Regards.

[Selkie]

Thank you Selkie.

My view is that the area of the crater you are referring to is showing an effect of it's geological make-up rather than evidence of a shallow angle-of-attack weapon. I have read the speculation of an attack by an exotic, space-based platform, i.e. Rods from God. If this was the case I am sure there would be footage, or reports at the very least, of a 'meteor' above the area. Those kinetic weapons come in at a speed of some 37,000 ft per second, the same speed as a meteorite due to the density of our atmosphere.

This is one case were the dots definitely need connecting.

If you would like a Litmus Test for web-sites that purportedly expose truth, just have a look around and see who is not discussing this. Fukashima too.

The silence is deafening.


Regards.

What about a "bunker buster" type of bomb? Aren't such weapons made to penetrate the ground and detonate beneath the ground? Maybe some sort of facility was hidden somewhere beneath the depot?

p.s. I agree that it doesn't look like anything was every above the crater...no building or anything. Surely there would be debris if a building had stood where the crater is now, but there is nothing there, just bare earth.

[Citizen No2]

Selkie wrote:


p.s. I agree that it doesn't look like anything was every above the crater...no building or anything. Surely there would be debris if a building had stood where the crater is now, but there is nothing there, just bare earth.

Exactly.

Same with the bunker-buster. No known BB weapon has that sort of yield and certainly do not leave lakes' in their wake.

It is a process of realisation.



Regards.

[Selkie]

Selkie wrote:


p.s. I agree that it doesn't look like anything was every above the crater...no building or anything. Surely there would be debris if a building had stood where the crater is now, but there is nothing there, just bare earth.

Exactly.

Same with the bunker-buster. No known BB weapon has that sort of yield and certainly do not leave lakes' in their wake.

It is a process of realisation.



Regards.

Could it have been a scalar weapon attack? That bare earth around the crater is really weird. Even at Hiroshima, even at ground zero, there were still tree trunks and buildings standing, although Hiroshima was an above-ground blast.

[Citizen No2]

Selkie wrote:


Could it have been a scalar weapon attack? That bare earth around the crater is really weird. Even at Hiroshima, even at ground zero, there were still tree trunks and buildings standing, although Hiroshima was an above-ground blast.

I don't think scalar applies in this scenario.


Are you familiar with Dr. Judy Wood and her analysis of 9/11? Watching the footage of the towers going down, and the rudimentary understanding I have of scalar weapons and potential, you can see that scalar beam weaponry dismantles it's target on an atomic level whereas this Chinese event has all the characteristics of some sort of 'blunt force'.

Am liking your thinking though.


Regards.

[Ewan]

I seldom have dreams, (that I recall anyway), that point to current events. Yet last night, a very short sleep for me, about 4 hours total, and I awoke with several fractured glimpses of a dream. As I tried to fill in gaps I could feel them slipping away. Significantly I remembered three things.


I saw several carrots, each in isolation, with a strange nest of toroidal disks extending upwards where the greens would usually be. They were 'hidden' in fields and I had the intuition they were destructive in nature. Like booby-traps.

A man, in the aftermath of some large explosion, saying. "They have an energy weapon, and we have to fight them soon".

I was with two others, not far from where I saw the 'carrots' and I said something in Polish. They grew angry with me and told me not to say that. I knew they didn't want to hear, so I repeatd it louder. (I don't know Polish, but the first thought on surfacing as I recalled the words was that it was Polish.)


Now yesterday, (Saturday 15), I just returned home from a week in the Lake District where I was happily disconnected from all media. I never even knew about Tianjin until I logged in to ProjectAvalon around 10:30 bst Sun 16. Reading through this thread I followed a link to a page with a drawing of the Rods of God, it brought that dream sharply in to recall as it immediately reminded me of the carrot in my dream.

Not even sure why I am sharing this as there is really nothing significant, and Polish just seems to confuse the issue not clarify.

[Citizen No2]

Thank you for sharing that Anakie, seriously.

I'll tell you this. The small things, they come and go as early warnings. Only with the benefit of hindsight do we achieve the picture. I am learning to listen to all of my data gathering faculties. Do not dismiss nor cast aside anything that may not fit your present belief system.

Things are afoot.


Thank you, once again.



Regards.

[idiit]

I'll tell you this. The small things, they come and go as early warnings. Only with the benefit of hindsight do we achieve the picture. I am learning to listen to all of my data gathering faculties. Do not dismiss nor cast aside anything that may not fit your present belief system.


there are four stages in my cognitive structured perspective:

glimmering:
we see something, an anomaly ( that which glitters,oddity, peculiarity, abnormality, irregularity, inconsistency, incongruity, aberration, quirk, rarity )

suspicion:

we see the anomaly again, and again. must be something.... not sure though....

confidence:

closed belief system. not wondering any more if... know it's real, whatever it is...

realization:

we see it for what it is.

we are in the suspicion stage moving towards the confidence that this event was a staged attack. not enough info to be "confident" yet.

[ParakeetMGP]

I am confused. Why hasn't my US News feed not shown this Crater in the News? Yet? What are they hiding? If its in the News where?

[idiit]

^^
Here is a partial list of the false flag suicide truck bombings that were mini-nukes. This has been an ongoing terror campaign that not only was nothing done to put the genie back into the bottle, but the America people and the world were never told anything about it, which made it easier for these to continue.


The barracks of the U.S. Marines and French paratroopers in Beirut, Lebanon in 1983.

The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma. 1995.

The Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan in 1995.

The Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia in 1996.


The American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

The British Consulate in Istanbul, Turkey.

The World Trade Center September 11, 2001.

The Sari night club in Bali in 2002.

The UN Office in Baghdad, Iraq in 2003.

The Australian Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia in 2004.

In the nuclear assassination of the former Lebanese Prime-Minister. Planted in the sewer pipe. Rafik Hariri in Beirut in 2005.

The police school bombing in Algeria on 19 of August 2008.

And many more unreported.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/11/the-day-the-world-fell-down-9-11-was-a-nuclear-attack/

the 9/11 granite foundation was melted. granite melts at 3100 degree f. FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F. this is why the glassined granite crater under twin towers picture was not published on msm.

^^ melted granite picture: www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ScreenHunter_01-Feb.-21-20.42.jpg


AMERICA'S DIRTY NUCLEAR SECRET, THE MELTED GRANITE CRATER AT "GROUND ZERO" BENEATH THE WORLD TRADE CENTER


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/02/21/dimitri-khalezov-gordon-duff-and-kevin-barrett-nuclear-terrorism/

[t2016]

Hi Paul,

I know you would do it before you actually moved my post.

[yuhui]

Hi citizen no.2

I really tried to read the article in the link, so the point was a "media diversion"? Because Hilary and the emails? You think that was the motive behind this tragic incident? That's just really bizarre and preposterous.

[idiit]

Monetary Warfare & The Tianjin China Event -- Bill Holter


Published on Aug 16, 2015

What may go down as the biggest geopolitical false flag event since 9/11, the Tianjin, China explosions will remain a critical topic of conversation for some time because the Chinese government still cannot determine what caused the blast the melted more than 8,000 cars, multiple buildings and the deaths of more than 110 people, with 90 still missing and presumed dead. Bill Holter asks the question we have all been thinking, was it a tactical nuclear strike? Coming just a day or two after China's devaluation of the Yuan, was the horrific blast which left a 3 acre crater in its path, as sign of what's to come if China fully abandons the Dollar? It is rapidly becoming clear that something unconventional happened in Tianjin - which leads to the inevitable question: Has the monetary war gone nuclear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LavcaW9_mqU&feature=em-uploademail

^^ 30 min. video ties in what looks to be nuclear type explosions in places like yemen, the 9/11 event with Tianjin explosion. great pics. of the size of the crater.

[Selkie]

Monetary Warfare & The Tianjin China Event -- Bill Holter


Published on Aug 16, 2015

What may go down as the biggest geopolitical false flag event since 9/11, the Tianjin, China explosions will remain a critical topic of conversation for some time because the Chinese government still cannot determine what caused the blast the melted more than 8,000 cars, multiple buildings and the deaths of more than 110 people, with 90 still missing and presumed dead. Bill Holter asks the question we have all been thinking, was it a tactical nuclear strike? Coming just a day or two after China's devaluation of the Yuan, was the horrific blast which left a 3 acre crater in its path, as sign of what's to come if China fully abandons the Dollar? It is rapidly becoming clear that something unconventional happened in Tianjin - which leads to the inevitable question: Has the monetary war gone nuclear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LavcaW9_mqU&feature=em-uploademail

^^ 30 min. video ties in what looks to be nuclear type explosions in places like yemen, the 9/11 event with Tianjin explosion. great pics. of the size of the crater.

Weirdly, in the first part of the video, you can see that the toasting and melting of the cars and other things is not in a 360 degree circle around the lake. The damage is directional. The shipping containers at the narrow, lower part of the lake are pushed up and out of the way, but they are not toasted/melted. They are not even burned, and still have their paint intact, while everything at the front, upper part of the lake, where the ground has been compressed, lifted, and cracked, is burned/toasted/melted. And I find that very weird. I mean, can nuclear weapons create shaped charges, or directional damage, or whatever it is called?

addition In the lower part of the video, it actually looks like something dug a furrow through the shipping containers, and pushed them up and out of the way, to each side of the furrow, but did not damage them beyond that, while in the upper part of the picture, there is total devastation and things are totally incinerated. Weird. Very weird.

[yuhui]

But there were people who live just 800 metres away from the site, just next to the burnt cars, many of them escaped and I read their dairies. Is it possible or the diaries are fake? Aren't Nuclear weapons supposed to wipe out these people? Also the place Tanggu 塘沽 (Tianjin is like a city and Tanggu is a district)was bombed during the opium war I remember....

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taku_Forts

[Deega]

Hi All, tonight, I read the same Article in Natural News Web Site and Unhived Mind III that the presumed accident in Tianjin, China was set up by ''Rod of God'', a lethal US Space Gun (?), does anyone read about this other than these two Alternative Medias?

http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/did-the-rod-of-god-weapon-hit-tianjin/

http://www.naturalnews.com/050816_Tianjin_explosion_space-based_weapons_military_retaliation.html

[Gaia]

Some idea of scale of the damage:

https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/c416a2ad0b00b69e8682ddbd7c662c1b._.jpg

https://www.metabunk.org/data/attachments/13/13744-de28f89f86e114275dd88c03eca7a81a.jpg

My comment about the Natural News:

Mike Adams is the man to plug products for Natural News advertisers, so he found a way to reach millions by piggybacking the popularity of Alex Jones. IMO

[Deega]

In Google Earth, here's a snap shot of what it seems to look from the air!, in Tianjin!


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[Gaia]

In Google Earth, here's a snap shot of what it seems to look from the air!, in Tianjin!


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According to media and a French firm Veolia is 700 tonnes of cyanide which exploded.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/0A15/production/_84918520_84918519.jpg

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6263159.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/EPA-ONE-USE-Tianjin.jpg

[Deega]

The Explosion, tremendous blast, people must of been pulverized, if this is intentional, what's next?


_aP3_G6vI7k

[Gaia]

Yes Deega indeed,Ninety-five people, most of them firefighters, are still missing. Brave peoples like 9/11.

[KiwiElf]

The Explosion, tremendous blast, people must of been pulverized, if this is intentional, what's next?


Retaliation...

...did anyone pick up on this?


FAA trying to determine cause of malfunction that delayed flights

“Flypocalypse” leaves passengers stranded on the ground

Flight delays were long and many flights were canceled at airports in Washington and New York after an air-traffic control problem in Virginia.

A major malfunction in the system that routes planes through 160,000 square miles of airspace centered over Washington caused airlines to delay or cancel hundreds of flights nationwide Saturday, and some frustrated passengers won’t reach their destinations until Sunday.

The Federal Aviation Administration said it was not immediately able to determine what caused the problem.

“The FAA is continuing its root cause analysis to determine what caused the problem and is working closely with the airlines to minimize impacts to travelers,” the FAA said in a statement.

Two airports serving the Washington region were particularly hard hit, with dozens of outbound flights canceled or delayed. Airports in the New York area also had delays, and scores of flights headed to Reagan National Airport and Baltimore-Washington International Marshall Airport also were canceled, stranding passengers overnight at airports across the nation.

More at link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ronald-reagan-national-and-other-northeast-airports-experiencing-flight-delays/2015/08/15/b5dac03a-4363-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html

[KiwiElf]

Perhaps this one needs to be merged too, VERY related information:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84588-Did-the-Rod-of-God-weapon-hit-Tianjin

[Snoweagle]

Hi All, tonight, I read the same Article in Natural News Web Site and Unhived Mind III that the presumed accident in Tianjin, China was set up by ''Rod of God'', a lethal US Space Gun (?), does anyone read about this other than these two Alternative Medias?

http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/did-the-rod-of-god-weapon-hit-tianjin/

http://www.naturalnews.com/050816_Tianjin_explosion_space-based_weapons_military_retaliation.html

I strongly recommend these links.

Especially the first link to the hive mind website. Ever wonder why the outback of Russia suddenly and recently had monster holes appearing from nowhere? Those were caused by space weapons and they are even more powerful now than they had been now CERN is almost up to speed. September 2015 is a big month for change. It appears the gloves are off.

More to come, guaranteed.

[Lancet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LavcaW9_mqU

[Carmody]

In Google Earth, here's a snap shot of what it seems to look from the air!, in Tianjin!


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According to media and a French firm Veolia is 700 tonnes of cyanide which exploded.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/0A15/production/_84918520_84918519.jpg

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6263159.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/EPA-ONE-USE-Tianjin.jpg

Do we officially have a crater, now?

I don't recall seeing one, at all, in earlier shots.

Only nukes, thermobarics, and penetrating weapons can cause craters.

Nothing else has a fast enough blast wave (nukes and thermobarics) and penetrating weapons are self explanatory in that regard (of producing a crater)

~~~~~~~~~~~


There is another, though, and that is the alchemically sourced weaponry which first showed it's face in the middle of WWII, and came out of Germany's advanced weapons work or lab, known as 'Kammlerstab'.

Very small, no radiation signature, based on nano or purely atomic (separate atoms) and then they 'pop' into another dimension, or collapse and we get an interdimensional shift from this, and the seemingly fast explosion, with no radiation but due to the dimensional pop, we get a EMP pop or ripple wave.

The story about this weapon comes in reports from those times. (see the books of Joseph Farrell) A device the size of a hand grenade was utilized in the test, and it wiped out an entire fabricated village/town, one that was built for the purpose of the test. Like has been said, it makes nukes look like firecrackers. Undetectable in all ways possible. No signature, nothing. Very small. Essentially, a dimensional weapon, for lack of better wording.


The secondary source of proofing at least the potentials, comes from the works and reports of David radius Hudson, when dealing with the white power of gold, which is an alchemical nano/atomic powder, down to the 2-3- atom level of nano sizing. He had the same thing happen to him when he was dealing with the residue from acidifying the soils in phoenix, in order to try and farm there. This came from his very first arising issues, issues that led him down the trail into alchemical works.

So one could be looking at a nano weapon, very small, then a secondary explosion of the chemicals.

Due to the existence of these essentially nano-dimensional/quantum weapons, this story, specifically the car carrier part (http://www.rense.com/general96/tianjinroro.html)...can be considered a serious and real possibility.

The rod of god, ie a space based tungsten rod kinetic kill weapon can also be of a reality, but these others are also possible. If, indeed we are dealing with a Nazi originated or connected cabal, which is where the nano-quantum/dimensional weapon originated from.

This is part of the reason the Nazi's supposedly did not bother with nukes, they had things that were far superior. All this can be backed up with solid research... so dismissing it is a fools game. The Nazi WWII research division we are speaking of, was run by an alchemist, who was involved in the scientific definition of atomic scaling and associated issues before the war (a world class well known scientist).... and tied to dimensional vortex research.

By now, due to proliferation of such understanding in black circles, well...the knowledge could not be confined to one singular source point, so pointing fingers based solely on this information is probably pointless.


The linked article about the car carrier speaks about another type of weapon, but the results of each device....are almost identical. For the identical reasons. Dimensional breaching. Richard Feynman, one of the most prominent scientists in the world, famously said that ( I paraphrase): "the vacuum energy of the volume of one light-bulb, could boil the earth's oceans".

To unleash it, we need to get to the correct electrical level of angular shift and also the correct nano levels of fineness. To go to the level of dimensional-quantum.

We are now there. Undoubtedly so.

Any idiot can make a weapon. It takes real people to not touch them. real people who are not sociopath animals.

You decide which world you want. Destruction.... or a future, your choice.

You are standing on the shoreline of humanity's enlightenment, or the shoreline of humanity's death. We require a collective enlightenment, and an individual enlightenment, in order to move forward. Everything must change, or it all dies.

[Terra]

Came across this (http://tomatobubble.com/id878.html) article the other day and wondered the same thing.

It reminded me of that couple that used to be around here on PA way back at the beginning, was it Norville? and his wife (can't remember her name sry). They had a site on crater chains they had been observing.

Are any of these cars rusted at Tiajing? Like perhaps the ones we saw in New York? Not suggesting anything of course, just curious.

[ParakeetMGP]

OK? Nobody has said anything about the Bangkok, Thailand Bombing in the last couple days being big in the News and nothing here yet has been said about that. I just see anomalies occurring one right after another without "Answers" to what is going on.

[KiwiElf]

OK? Nobody has said anything about the Bangkok, Thailand Bombing in the last couple days being big in the News and nothing here yet has been said about that. I just see anomalies occurring one right after another without "Answers" to what it going on.

Ummmm... there's a whole thread on it here: :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84578-Bangkok-bomb-Deadly-blast-rocks-Thailand-capital

[ParakeetMGP]

I was looking at all the New Post for the Day and thought I find it, but it wasn't listed for me. I see the link now.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi All, tonight, I read the same Article in Natural News Web Site and Unhived Mind III that the presumed accident in Tianjin, China was set up by ''Rod of God'', a lethal US Space Gun (?), does anyone read about this other than these two Alternative Medias?


Perhaps this one needs to be merged too, VERY related information:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84588-Did-the-Rod-of-God-weapon-hit-Tianjin
Good idea, KiwiElf. I merged your Tianjin thread in with the main thread for that massive explosion, Deega.

Thanks!

[KiwiElf]

I have a gut instinct that the Hillary Clinton investigation has a lot to do with this... :cash:

[idiit]

I have a gut instinct that the the Hillary Clinton investigation has a lot to do with this...



^ you are affirmed by the following article:


August 14 2015



BLOCKBUSTER: LATEST IMAGES SHOW THE BLAST PRODUCED A THREE ACRE LAKE! The new lake in China proves a 5 kiloton nuclear blast.


This was NOT an accident and the fracture pattern around the crater proves a sub ground burst. If it was a sub ground burst, then a small nuclear weapon is the biggest possibility because once a nuke has to push dirt, the blinding flash will not happen. A slightly subsurface detonation would explain why camera sensors did not get strange artifacts. And if it was not a nuke, it was something else incredibly huge, but not a fuel air bomb because fuel air bombs will not leave craters


A little bit more of a detailed explanation: If the blast happened at ground level, almost all of the energy would go upwards and the blast would not have made a large deep crater, especially one large enough and deep enough to make that lake. If you look to the right hand side of the lake, you can see fracture patterns in the earth, which were caused by the earth being compressed sideways and not downwards. This would only be done with a sub surface blast. After the blast, the earth bounced back towards the center of the lake, which opened up the cracks.


What would be the motive for this attack? I don't buy the currency devaluation, but something else very tasty was going on that a distraction was needed for, SUCH AS:




You cannot "professionally wipe" a server and then hand it to ANY American intelligence agency, Hillary is BUSTED


Hillary: THE ISSUE IS NOT THE E-MAILS, THE ISSUE IS THE FACT SHE HAD COUNTLESS SPOOKS INSIDE THE NSA FEEDING DATA STRAIGHT TO THE ENEMY. The mail box is just a diversion from this core fact!

The tribe controlled MSM is trying to pawn off the worst proven case of espionage in America's history as a "mishandled mail box!" The fact the NSA never found that mail box before Hillary gutted the nation also proves that spooks inside that organization covered it all up!

Hillary's NSA spooks really are the story of the decade


And WHY would this be done? Because a media diversion was needed to bury the fact that the NSA finally got into Hillary's hard drive, and found text strings that identify THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of classified documents that were ripped right out of the NSA's underground bases and from those bases Hillary's spooks sent them straight up to a satellite that Hillary had been handed the encryption keys for. Hillary had no clearance or authorization for that, this is a massive case of espionage blown wide open. And these text strings were found AFTER all the actual documents they came from were wiped from the hard drive during Hillary's cleanup, and were found as quotes and snips in discussion e-mails her staff overlooked during the cleanup. If Hillary does not fry for this over the next few days, you can bet on America being finished. This is the litmus test.

http://82.221.129.208/ab5index.html

[Deega]

Hi All, tonight, I read the same Article in Natural News Web Site and Unhived Mind III that the presumed accident in Tianjin, China was set up by ''Rod of God'', a lethal US Space Gun (?), does anyone read about this other than these two Alternative Medias?


Perhaps this one needs to be merged too, VERY related information:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84588-Did-the-Rod-of-God-weapon-hit-Tianjin
Good idea, KiwiElf. I merged your Tianjin thread in with the main thread for that massive explosion, Deega.

Thanks!


The Tread that I posted was trying to get all the information (further updates along the way!) pertianing to a US potential New type of Nuclear device or otherwise, and if a War US/China would boiled down from this event.

I don't have problem with merging the Tread though.

[Carmody]

@idiit:

Please don't send members to unknown and odd links. I've no idea what that is, and I won't click on it. I don't like links that steer and record traffic from this website, and neither should anyone else who comes here.

My suggestion is to grab some part of the article which is unique.....and do some limited searches for that. (with one's search engine of choice)

Also, what is looking like a prelude to a more open war, I don't think that one ranting source trying to tie unsubstantiated conjecture to a hole in the ground in china... is any sort of truth. I'd call that a misdirect or an attempt to assign blame. It is no better than saying 'damned liberals' for anything from being stuck in traffic, all the way over to cow farts.

Until something more fundamental comes along, it's just an off kilter and off balance rant. Not that I disagree with the history noted about the Clintons, but this.... is just froth.

[idiit]

@idiit:

Please don't send members to unknown and odd links. I've no idea what that is, and I won't click on it. I don't like links that steer and record traffic from this website, and neither should anyone else who comes here.


it's jim stone's web site:


Author[edit]

Stone first became established as a writer when a column, written by him and entitled: "Housing Benefit Hill", was published by The Guardian Weekend in September 1993.[2][3] His editor at the time was Deborah Orr. The column described life on council housing estates throughout Britain and was based around real people that he knew. The column continued for three years, until September 1996, and established him as a newspaper columnist.

Having become known for his work in The Guardian Weekend, he had his first book, Fierce Dancing, accepted for publication in 1996 by Faber & Faber.[4] It was to define what the author became known for writing about: the counter culture of contemporary Britain and its protesters, hippies, punks, neo-pagans,ravers and New Age travellers.

Publications[edit]

Books[edit]
1.Fierce Dancing Adventures in the Underground (1996) published by Faber & Faber.[4]
2.Last of the Hippies (1999) published by Faber & Faber.
3.Housing Benefit Hill (2001) published by AK Press - a collection of stories that had previously appeared in his column.
4.The Trials of Arthur (2003) published by Element Books and co-written with Arthur Pendragon - telling the story of the life of the eco-warrior and self-proclaimed Druid king (co-author).

Articles[edit]

Stone has had regular columns in The Guardian Weekend[2][3] and has contributed to The Independent,[5] The Observer, The London Review of Books, The Times Literary Supplement, The Glasgow Herald newspapers, The Big Issue,[6] New Statesman, Prediction, Kindred Spirit, Mixmag and Saga magazines. He currently writes for the Whitstable Gazette.

Radio and Television[edit]

Stone wrote columns for a BBC Radio 4 programme called the Afternoon Shift, featuring Laurie Taylor who now runs Thinking Allowed. He was also the writer for a BBC2 TV programme called Let's Face The Music and Dance, which was aired on 15 June 1994, about the Criminal Justice Bill.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.J._Stone

[Carmody]

At this point, regarding Clinton, we can easily see that we're dealing with wholly illiterate and unintelligent people, with a record of stumbling over their feet, even in the simplest tasks.

The record of bodies left behind them speaks not on their infidelity, but on their incompetence and the need of their handlers to constantly wipe their asses. They appear to be stuck with these idiots as figureheads for their given organizational thrusts. The only saving grace for humans that are being misled by this, is the fact of their incompetence. The connection, then, in the why of their choice as figureheads.... is tied to their incompetence.

As Ben Fulford noted in his 7 years as Forbes Asia-Pacific bureau chief, in hundreds of interviews overall, with prime ministers, presidents, what have you... they almost, to a person, are exactly figureheads and really are chosen for their animal behaviour and their lack of intelligence. They are leadership fodder specifically due to their animal behavior and lack of mental reach.

This tells you that the cover aspects of leadership and it's control, means something. Something about these groups not being able to stand in the light of human analysis. about their numbers being too low, about their hidden side being critical to their efforts. They are not out in the open. they employ figureheads. this means they cannot and do not take the reigns directly, this means they expose weakness in this fact. Which leads you to the problem (or boon/exposure for the human race) of the trail of bodies behind the Clintons, and trails of bodies behind others.


As for Stone, the link was not clear, at all, as to it's origins. Blind links are not a good thing.

[3(C)+me]

At this point, regarding Clinton, we can easily see that we're dealing with wholly illiterate and unintelligent people, with a record of stumbling over their feet, even in the simplest tasks.

The record of bodies left behind them speaks not on their infidelity, but on their incompetence and the need of their handlers to constantly wipe their asses. They appear to be stuck with these idiots as figureheads for their given organizational thrusts. The only saving grace for humans that are being misled by this, is the fact of their incompetence. The connection, then, in the why of their choice as figureheads.... is tied to their incompetence.

As Ben Fulford noted in his 7 years as Forbes Asia-Pacific bureau chief, in hundreds of interviews overall, with prime ministers, presidents, what have you... they almost, to a person, are exactly figureheads and really are chosen for their animal behaviour and their lack of intelligence. They are leadership fodder specifically due to their animal behavior and lack of mental reach.

This tells you that the cover aspects of leadership and it's control, means something. Something about these groups not being able to stand in the light of human analysis. about their numbers being too low, about their hidden side being critical to their efforts. They are not out in the open. they employ figureheads. this means they cannot and do not take the reigns directly, this means they expose weakness in this fact. Which leads you to the problem (or boon/exposure for the human race) of the trail of bodies behind the Clintons, and trails of bodies behind others.


As for Stone, the link was not clear, at all, as to it's origins. Blind links are not a good thing.

Carmody, I do love reading your posts, this one is good, and I had to laugh a few times out loud. I know you did not mean to be funny but it's seems obvious about this gang at this point.
Yes, the Clinton are all that you say I will add that they have no working heart center and a bit crazy on the blood letting, usually ex-emloyee's and such.. People dropping like flies around them and does anyone notice.
Just seeing H's frozen smile on her press junkets's it is so fake and artificial. Bush vs Clintion it's a joke. Totally a dog and pony show.
This blast, it could be that they just can't get their stuff together in China on how to take care of all their explosives. Or it could be a national tit for tat.
So China pisses us off and we do this and then we piss them off and they do a hack on the state department.
Really I feel much better after not reading MSM for a few days after a week I am feeling really great.

[Frenchy]

conventional explosions, conventional materials are not 'fast enough' to cause depressions in the ground.

Not disputing you view, I have NO Pyrotechnical knowledge, I suggest, however that the FAE Device (Fuel-Air-EXD), sucks out all the Oxygen, within its Hemi-sphere, what if an FEAD, was Thermite-driven ? or a similar technology.

But I agree with the suggestions, that this is NOT strictly (known) conventional, and further, if this HAZChem, or APEX shipment WAS in any way legit, I suggest...

1. The Maximum allowed within safe proximities would be small.
2. There should not be detonation devices anywhere near the corresponding containers,
so, yes, looks like kiss-of-death...

[3(C)+me]

FYI
Chinese dissidents’ claim Tianjin explosion carried out by Pentagon space weapon
BOMBSHELL: China and America already at war: Tianjin explosion carried out by Pentagon space weapon in retaliation for Yuan currency devaluation... Military helicopters now patrolling Beijing
Natural News
Monday, August 17, 2015
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger

(NaturalNews) EXCLUSIVE: Mainland Chinese dissidents have handed Natural News the following bombshell story. (Two minor updates / corrections are now included in this story, see below.)

The Tianjin explosion was waged as an act of "kinetic retaliation" by the Pentagon in response to China's currency war Yuan devaluation, according to dissident sources from mainland China. The Chinese government has put in place unprecedented secrecy surrounding the mysterious explosion, and aggressive police state tactics are now being invoked to control the flow of information surrounding this event.
"Last week's explosions sent massive fireballs into the sky and hurled burning debris across the industrial area at the world's 10th-largest port, burning out buildings and shattering windows kilometres away," reports the Daily Mail UK.

The Chinese government's official explanation for the explosion, which has now killed 114 people, is a complete whitewash. China is going to declare regional martial law in the next 18 days, Natural News has learned, in order to exercise total control over the movement of people and information. The government has banned reporters from entering the area and has begun arresting bloggers who promote what the government calls "conspiracy theories" regarding the cause of the massive explosion.

China has blacked out reporting on Tianjin in exactly the same way the U.S. media blacked out reporting on Dr. William Thompson, the CDC whistleblower who admitted the CDC buried evidence linking vaccines to autism. In both China and the United States, when the government doesn't want the citizens to know something, it censors the story across the entire state-run media, invoking "information totalitarianism."

Both before and after the massive explosion, the Chinese government has been flying "black helicopters" in formation across Beijing. (Update: Previously, this article stated the helicopters began flying after the explosion, but we have been corrected on this point, as helicopters were witnessed in the sky in the days before the explosion as well.) Chinese dissidents took numerous photos of these helicopters and were able to deliver these exclusive pictures to Natural News:

A warning shot from the United States: Don't crash the dollar or sell our debt
Chinese dissidents have told Natural News they have reason to believe the attack on Tianjin is a warning shot from the United States, which is terrified that China is on the verge of announcing its own gold-backed currency while declaring a fire sale on U.S. debt holdings.

The actions would collapse the U.S. dollar and destroy the U.S. economy, sending the United States into economic freefall. The "Rod of God" weapon deployment by the U.S. Pentagon, we're told, was America's "shot across the bow" to send a powerful warning message to China while disguising the attack as a domestic chemical explosion.




Timeline of events: China devalues currency, then Pentagon strikes in mere hours
Consider the calendar of events in all this:

August 11, 2015: China devalues the Yuan by 1.9%, sending "shockwaves" around the world and setting off a "devastating" impact to the U.S. economy.

August 12, 2015: Tianjin struck by Pentagon's secret "Rod of God" weapon, a space-based top-secret kinetic weapon that can be dropped from high orbit to strike almost any land-based target. The weapon instantly destroys six city blocks on the edge of the city of Tianjin, sending a message to China that's eerily similar to the message sent by the United States in the dropping of the world's first atomic weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II. (Yes, the USA is willing to drop weapons of mass destruction on civilian populations. It has already done it twice!)

(For those following the Shemitah, the dropping of atomic bombs on Japan also occurred during a Shemitah year, in the month of august, 1945, exactly 70 years ago. This is precisely TEN Shemitah cycles ago, or what might be called a "deca-Shemitah.")

August 16, 2015: Obama issues stern warning "...about the presence of Chinese government agents operating secretly in the United States," reports The New York Times. "And it comes at a time of growing tension between Washington and Beijing on a number of issues: from the computer theft of millions of government personnel files that American officials suspect was directed by China, to China's crackdown on civil liberties, to the devaluation of its currency."




The Pentagon's secret space-based weapons
The "Rod of God" weapon consists primarily of a kinetic weapon arriving with unimaginable kinetic energy... more than a small tactical nuclear weapon, in fact, giving it the appearance of a tactical nuke.

U.S. websites are now speculating that the Tianjin explosion was a U.S. space-based weapons test involving a "Rod of God" weapon dropped from orbit. "The [resulting] lake [crater] in China proves a 5 kiloton blast, possibly nuclear or possibly from a space based 'rod from God' (pictured to the left) weapon [was] deployed by the space plane," says The Unhived Mind.



"After looking through the images of the soviet nuclear tests, the new lake in China appears to have been made by a slightly sub surface burst of at least a 5 kiloton nuclear bomb... This was NOT an accident and the fracture pattern around the crater proves a sub ground burst. If it was a sub ground burst, then a small nuclear weapon is the biggest possibility because once a nuke has to push dirt, the blinding flash will not happen. A slightly subsurface detonation would explain why camera sensors did not get strange artifacts. And if it was not a nuke, it was something else incredibly huge, but not a fuel air bomb because fuel air bombs will not leave craters."



Space-based kinetic weapons "dropped" onto targets are explained by Popular Science in this article from 2004:

When instructed from the ground, the targeting satellite commands its partner to drop one of its darts. The guided rods enter the atmosphere, protected by a thermal coating, traveling at 36,000 feet per second--comparable to the speed of a meteor. The result: complete devastation of the target, even if it's buried deep underground.

[idiit]

First rainfall since Tianjin explosion leaves city covered in mysterious white foam


Some who made contact with it are reporting a burning sensation on their face and lips, while others are reporting a stinging sensation on their arms. Some have said they experienced an itchy sensation, according to a NetEase News report.


Meteorological experts said Monday that rainfall would no longer pose direct danger to people's health, according to a CCTV News report.


However, authorities had expressed concern that the downpour, aside from hampering rescue efforts, would spread harmful substances across the city, after around 700 tons of sodium cyanide—a toxic chemical that creates a combustable substance when it meets with water—was found at the blast site.

Officials today said that at least 40 types of dangerous chemicals were detected at the blast zone, including 800 tons of ammonium nitrate and 500 tons of potassium nitrate, the Guardian reports.



Bao Jingling, chief engineer for the Tianjin Environmental Protection Bureau, previously said in an NBC News report that "if there is rain, it will produce hydrogen cyanide, so we are monitoring it closely," adding that the military's anti-chemical warfare division had been sent to the site on Sunday and the situation "currently...isn't very serious".

Hydrogen cyanide gas is described by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as being a “rapidly fatal” toxic chemical that can reduce the body's ability to use oxygen.


^ ummmm, what? ^

http://shanghaiist.com/2015/08/18/first_rainfall_since_tianjin_explos.php Katie Nelson in News on Aug 18, 2015 11:57 PM

[idiit]

The independent-leaning Thai military regime is moving closer and closer to the Russia-China economic and military bloc as its relations with the U.S. deteriorate. From the Bangkok Post Feb 6 2015:


Thailand, China bolster military ties as US relations splinter -- Chinese defence minister vows no 'interference', Thai officials Say

"Thailand and China agreed Friday to strengthen military ties through expanded joint training, technology sharing, and discounted arms sales. A welcoming ceremony was held at the Defence Ministry." (here)



Dot #4: Iran and Thailand continue to expand upon their already friendly and close ties. From Tasnim (Iran), March 9, 2015:


Iran, Thailand Underline Closer Relations

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif and Thailand’s new ambassador to Tehran emphasized that the promotion of mutual cooperation in diverse areas sets a priority for the two Asian countries. (here)



Dot #6: Because the location was a known 'hot spot' for Chinese tourists; this attack was a strike against both Thailand and China, and it comes just days after a mysterious and massive explosion in China - which we covered a few days ago. The Global Times, a Chinese newspaper, said in an editorial. “It is beyond the imagination of Chinese people that a blast could happen at the famous Erawan shrine,” “It has almost the same impact on Chinese tourists as if it happened in China. (here)




Get the picture?




Well, it is still too early to tell in which direction the Thai military coup will turn, but it appears as though a pro-Western government is about to be replaced with a regime that Washington may not be able to fully control; like General el Sisi's in Egypt. Should an independent-minded government emerge in Thailand, it would represent the exact opposite of what happened after the Ukrainian coup.

The Globalist's interest and strategy in Thailand has to do with the general encirclement policy aimed at Russia and China. Thailand is to China what Ukraine is to Russia, sort of. Let us hope that whatever government the military installs in Thailand will be pro Russia-China, and anti Western.



Well, the "pudding" is now done; and it appears as though your intrepid and prophetic reporter here (Sugar was not on staff at that time) was spot-on about the anti-N.W.O. flavor of the coup in Thailand (toot-toot). It's an all too familiar, and all too deadly pattern, isn't it? Defy the murderous Globo-Zionists; and "terrorists" will suddenly attack your cities and airliners -- as Sulzberger's Slimes throws the dirty attack in your face, on its front page.

Stay strong, Thailand -- and Malaysia, and Indonesia, and China, and Russia, and Nigeria, and Sudan, and Syria etc.


http://tomatobubble.com/id879.html

second article on the same subject, different perspective:




During the interim, the US State Department would make various demands that the military-led government “return power” to what it called “civilian rule.” Decoded, this message means returning convicted criminal Thaksin Shinawatra to power either directly or through the installation of one of his nepotist proxies.

The military has resisted these calls, understanding that Thailand cannot afford to allow a convicted criminal to run the country from a hotel room in Dubai, where Thaksin Shinawatra has fled since being convicted of corruption and sentenced to two years in prison. And because of the Thai military’s refusal to allow the US to dictate Thailand’s destiny indirectly behind the guise of “democracy,” it appears the US is gearing up for a more direct and “muscular” attempt to influence Thailand’s political landscape
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/05/02/us-nominates-war-college-grad-as-ambassador-to-thailand/



Glyn Davies, before being nominated as US Ambassador to Thailand, spent his time undermining and meddling on the Korean Peninsula and in particular, attempting to undermine the government of North Korea while encouraging confrontation and conflict between North Korea and South Korea.

Before Davies began his career in “diplomacy,” according to his official biography hosted on the US State Department’s official website, he attended and graduated from the National War College in Washington D.C. earning a master’s degree in “National Security Strategy.”
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/05/02/us-nominates-war-college-grad-as-ambassador-to-thailand/



A War College graduate versed in “non-military instruments of power” being posted in Thailand as US Ambassador as increasingly violent means to overturn the military-led government and its attempts to uproot the Shinawatra regime and the foreign-backed networks propping it up, bodes poorly for Thailand’s peace and stability.

The worst case scenario sees Davies, just as US Ambassador to Syria Robert S. Ford did in 2011, openly consorting with armed terrorists in a blatantly US-backed attempt to violently overthrow Thailand’s political order. The prospects of a “civil war” in Thailand are impossible. What is possible however, is widespread terrorism aimed at destroying the Thai economy and tarnishing its image both regionally and internationally.
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/05/02/us-nominates-war-college-grad-as-ambassador-to-thailand/



However, these insidious intentions can be preempted by first, exposing America’s role in Thailand’s political crisis, and in particular, by exposing their hypocritical stance on insisting a convicted criminal’s fate be determined by “elections” rather than in a court of law. The fact that to this day, Thaksin Shinawatra himself openly presides over the prevailing opposition party in Thailand, “Pheu Thai,” undermines that party’s legitimacy entirely. In the West, a party openly ruled by a convicted criminal and fugitive fleeing from a two year jail sentence would be utterly unable to exist, let alone contest elections. Yet the United States demands that such an unthinkable scenario be allowed to proceed in Thailand.
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/05/02/us-nominates-war-college-grad-as-ambassador-to-thailand/


http://journal-neo.org/2015/05/02/us-nominates-war-college-grad-as-ambassador-to-thailand/

[Carmody]

There was also large tungsten deposits recently opened up in the area.

Which was the only competition with china-- for the west to get at.

Tungsten is the most strategic metal in the world.

For example, the 'rod of god' is tungsten, and tungsten is the main ingredient in the latest thermobaric weapons.

Never mind the industrial might it engenders for tooling and machining.

[Rocky_Shorz]

when electronics get taken out like this...


https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CMOr6TFUYAAnotJ.mp4

doesn't that show an EMP type explosion happen, or can it just be from shockwave?

Now it is confirmed it was an EMP flash that took out this camera along with China's cray 2 supercomputer that had been used for hacking into U.S. secured assets, including banks, pentagon etc, it is the computer that manipulated the Chinese market to keep it from crashing...

Estimated time of recovery 6 months to a year...

EMP FLASHES DO NOT OCCUR FROM CHEMICAL EXPLOSIONS...

[ThePythonicCow]

Now it is confirmed it was an EMP flash that took out this camera along with China's cray 2 supercomputer that had been used for hacking into U.S. secured assets, including banks, pentagon etc, it is the computer that manipulated the Chinese market to keep it from crashing...

Estimated time of recovery 6 months to a year...
That's a substantially interesting report ... can you tell us how you learned this ?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Now it is confirmed it was an EMP flash that took out this camera along with China's cray 2 supercomputer that had been used for hacking into U.S. secured assets, including banks, pentagon etc, it is the computer that manipulated the Chinese market to keep it from crashing...

Estimated time of recovery 6 months to a year...
That's a substantially interesting report ... can you tell us how you learned this ?

I have an associate that engineered the Cray 2 who was on the original Cray design team here in the US.

they have been producing the new Cray over in China, trying to get approval for selling it in the US. They have several already operational in China, one handling healthcare computing, the other in the financial district in Tianjin.

We spoke this morning and I confirmed it had been fried after the explosion.

his first comment was "Chemical explosions don't cause electro magnetic pulses"

I asked if it is possible nuclear devices were stored in or around this facility and he said absolutely not...

all fingers point to the US, but they feel there is a third party attempting to trigger a war between the two countries.

at this point it is like US and Russia unloading on each other, it would never happen because it would turn to a world ending event.

someone is playing both sides...

he is a very smart man, and well tied to intellects in China, they are discussing possibilities much deeper than just conspiracies.

The media wizards in the US are keeping everyone's eyes on Trump and Clinton as if either makes a difference in reality to keep our minds too busy to start thinking about what is really happening.

I asked if he thought space weapons might be involved and he surprised me by saying not our planets...

[KiwiElf]

Interesting, I would tend to think a "third party" making it look like it was the US... I wonder who? ;)

[idiit]

Benjamin Fulford - August 19, 2015: China Blast Linked to Cyber-Warfare





The recent blast in Tianjin China is linked to the ongoing cyber-war inolving the financial and intelligence communities of the world. The blast produced an electro-magnetic pulse that was directed at disabling the Tianhe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianhe-1 one of the world’s most powerful super-computers, according to Pentagon sources. The attack was timed to coincide with the recent devaluation of the yuan, indicating that financial warfare linked to derivatives holdings at the large Western banks was a likely motive

http://hipknowsys.blogspot.com/2015/08/benjamin-fulford-august-19-2015-china.html


Interesting, I would tend to think a "third party" making it look like it was the US... I wonder who?

^ tongue in cheek rhetorical me thinks. :)


the khazarian mafia aka Zionists are behind any attempt to intimidate/destroy perceived rivals to the rothschilds federal reserve virtual printing machine; unlimited purchasing power as long as the frn$ is the world's reserve currency.



the khazarians are originally from Ukraine and are luciferians. Russia made them convert to a religion or perish. they chose judaism to hide behind. according to the human genome project ran by jphn hopkin's university 97% of the Israeli citizens have no blood ties to the ancient Judaic blood lines; they are in fact converted jews. the palastenians have true blood ties to ancient jews. just like the luciferians to claim anti-Semitism for attacking them ( Israelis) when in fact the people they are committing genocide against are the true semites. :)



The Jews of Khazaria
By Jonas E. Alexis on April 10, 2015

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/10/the-jews-of-khazaria/


History’s Cruelest Hoax: Semitic Khazars
By Jim W. Dean, Managing Editor on April 29, 2015
“ 97% of Modern 'Jews' are Mongols, Turks and Huns (Khazars)—Only 3% of Jews Have Semitic Blood!”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/29/historys-cruelest-hoax-semitic-khazars/


The Khazarian Mafia (Part II) Updated:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/25/the-khazarian-mafia-part-ii/

[ThePythonicCow]

I have an associate that engineered the Cray 2 who was on the original Cray design team here in the US.

they have been producing the new Cray over in China, trying to get approval for selling it in the US. They have several already operational in China, one handling healthcare computing, the other in the financial district in Tianjin.

We spoke this morning and I confirmed it had been fried after the explosion.

his first comment was "Chemical explosions don't cause electro magnetic pulses"

I asked if it is possible nuclear devices were stored in or around this facility and he said absolutely not...

all fingers point to the US, but they feel there is a third party attempting to trigger a war between the two countries.

at this point it is like US and Russia unloading on each other, it would never happen because it would turn to a world ending event.

someone is playing both sides...

he is a very smart man, and well tied to intellects in China, they are discussing possibilities much deeper than just conspiracies.

The media wizards in the US are keeping everyone's eyes on Trump and Clinton as if either makes a difference in reality to keep our minds too busy to start thinking about what is really happening.

I asked if he thought space weapons might be involved and he surprised me by saying not our planets...
Very interesting post, Rocky. Thanks.

[Rocky_Shorz]

the computer taken out didn't just keep China's market afloat, they have more money invested in the American stock market than we do...

take a look at the Dow since the explosion August 12th it has dropped 1000 points...

today's close 16,459.75 Price decrease - 530.94

https://chart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=%5eDJI&t=1m&q=l&l=on&z=l&a=v&p=s&lang=en-IN&region=IN

[ThePythonicCow]

I have an associate that engineered the Cray 2 who was on the original Cray design team here in the US.

they have been producing the new Cray over in China, trying to get approval for selling it in the US. They have several already operational in China, one handling healthcare computing, the other in the financial district in Tianjin.

We spoke this morning and I confirmed it had been fried after the explosion.

his first comment was "Chemical explosions don't cause electro magnetic pulses"


Very interesting post, Rocky. Thanks.
Jim Willie's monthly subscription Hat Trick Letter (http://goldenjackass.com/) is out, and he too concludes that the Tianjin explosion was in particular targeting that supercomputer:

Tianjin is major tech data hub with massive Tianhe-1A super-computer facility that serves the major tech enterprises, a primary logistics center for data. The facility ... has been temporarily shut down for maintenance, for full examination of the facility that houses it, like for cracked walls and loose cables. ... [It is now] clear to me the primary target was the super-computer center and port facilities.

[ThePythonicCow]

About this computer, from PC World (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2971372/tianjin-explosion-shuts-down-chinese-supercomputer.html):
The Tianhe-1A was ranked as the world’s fastest supercomputer back in 2010, but it has since been eclipsed by other machines, including one built in China. It is currently the 24th fastest, according to the top 500 supercomputing list.

[ThePythonicCow]

Based on further speculation by Jim Willie in his latest newsletter (that I referenced two posts up), and in a bit of my further searching, it may be that the initial chemical explosions in Tianjin were caused by the Uighurs, a Muslim "terrorist" group in Western China (that no doubt the CIA is willing to encourage).

As mentioned in this Sydney Morning Herald article (http://www.smh.com.au/world/bangkok-bombing-investigation-turns-to-uighurs-20150819-gj2hlr.html), that same group is connected with the explosions in Bangkok, Thailand, a few days after the Tianjin explosions. Then, perhaps, the largest Tianjin explosion was caused by more "advanced" means such as available to the CIA.

[Calz]

who benefits ... coi bono

off world space weapon?

seems the rabbit hole goes all the way to china ...

[ThePythonicCow]

It is not clear to me, and may well never become clear, whether an electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) took out the Tianhe-1A computer (as Rocky's contact said) or whether direct blast damage took out much of the fiber optic networking connecting to the computer center (as Jim Willie says, based on his contacts.)

[idiit]

Caught On Tape: Another Huge Chemical Warehouse Explosion Rocks China
Tyler Durden's pictureSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 08/22/2015 10:51 -0400


Who could have seen this coming?

Just a little over a week after a powerful explosion killed 114 and injured more than 700 in the Chinese port of Tianjin, it appears as though a second blast has occurred at a chemical warehouse, this time in China's eastern Shandong province. A residential area is reportedly located just 1 km away


We'll await the details which we imagine will suggest that, as was the case in Tianjin, many more tonnes of something terribly toxic were stored than is allowed under China's regulatory regime which apparently only applies to those who are not somehow connected to the Politburo. Indeed, The People's Daily is reporting that the plant contained adiponitrile, which the CDC says can cause "irritation eyes, skin, respiratory system; headache, dizziness, lassitude (weakness, exhaustion), confusion, convulsions; blurred vision; dyspnea (breathing difficulty); abdominal pain, nausea, [and] vomiting."

There are two videos shown below. As of now, there's some confusion as to which is authentic.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-22/second-chemical-warehouse-explosion-reported-china

[ParakeetMGP]

I kind of heard there is anther Explosion this August Saturday 22, 2015 in China and (?) No more News coming about it (?) (Why is the World being so Ignorant?)

[Citizen No2]

Just in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34029202


An explosion has been reported at a chemical plant in China's eastern province of Shandong. Large flames could be seen from the site of the blast in Zibo County. There are no reports of casualties.
The People's Daily said a warehouse at the Runxing chemical plant exploded and firefighters went to the scene.
There is a residential area about 1km from the plant. Earlier this month blasts in the northern city of Tianjin killed at least 116 people.
The proximity of industrial and chemical plants to residential areas has become hugely controversial.

vG_v0A8orLI



Coincidence?



Regards.

[betoobig]

China is under attack in multiple ways, also trhough wheather... haarp in action???

Widespread, heavy rain floods several Chinese provinces
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/06/09/china-rain-flooding-weather-ct.cnn

Love...Evol

[Rocky_Shorz]

This thread should be merged with main discussion

actual video from Rizhao Shandong, E China


http://t.co/MkbSIy81Wp

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNBYJ3YWoAA5DUe.jpg

only a month ago

An explosion at a petrochemical plant in Rizhao, Shandong province, on July 16, 2015. @ChinaDailyAsia @Reuters

was this the same plant?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdfHee9fdTQ

[Rocky_Shorz]

when electronics get taken out like this...


https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CMOr6TFUYAAnotJ.mp4

doesn't that show an EMP type explosion happen, or can it just be from shockwave?

Now it is confirmed it was an EMP flash that took out this camera along with China's cray 2 supercomputer that had been used for hacking into U.S. secured assets, including banks, pentagon etc, it is the computer that manipulated the Chinese market to keep it from crashing...

Estimated time of recovery 6 months to a year...

EMP FLASHES DO NOT OCCUR FROM CHEMICAL EXPLOSIONS...

Paul can you capture the last few frames of this video before it cuts?

[Rocky_Shorz]

the day after the Dow finishes a 3 day 1200 point slump the 3rd major explosion hits China in a month...

nothing to see here folks, keep walking...


"TIANJIN, China — China is full of big bets that the country’s breakneck economic growth will continue apace, but few are bigger than the vast Yujiapu financial district here.

Nicknamed China’s new Manhattan, the district comprises at least 47 skyscrapers being built on desolate coastal salt flats 100 miles southeast of Beijing. Financed by huge loans from state-owned banks, the district is an immense public works project, and is closely associated with Zhang Gaoli, the little-known Communist Party secretary of Tianjin who joined the new seven-member Politburo Standing Committee last week at the end of the 18th Party Congress." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/world/asia/the-new-manhattan-of-china-has-local-support.html?_r=0

this just came up in a completely unrelated search... White Dragon Society caught my eye...

"---===WARNING!!!===---

Some say:

Financial Collapse of the US 13 Sept 2015

WE HAVE RECEIVED THE DARK DATE: "September 15th, 2015"

following the link brought me to...

"WARNING!

The New World Order Will Be Implemented In September!

The New World Currency Will Be Introduced In October!

We Are At the Brink of Total Worldwide Financial Collapse!

TAKE ACTION NOW!

“This is probably the most important bulletin we have ever sent - This is the fulfillment of everything the Elite have ever wanted to do - It will affect every human being, worldwide - They will implement this over a period of time - The dates have now been officially set for the start of implementation.”

The New World Order Will Be Implemented In September!

The Roman Catholic Pope just announced when he speaks at the United Nations on the 25th September 2015 that he will issue an ENCYCLICAL – The definition of an encyclical is – A letter from the Pope sent to all Roman Catholic Bishops throughout the world. Every Roman Catholic is EXPECTED to obey. There are 1.2 billion Roman Catholics around the world.

According to Pastor Williams this means that when the Pope announces the New World Order in front of the annual gathering of world leaders on September 25th, 2015 at the United Nations just before the signing and implementation of the ‘Post-2015 Development Agenda’ that the Pope will order every Roman Catholic around the world to obey unconditionally – total obedience.

On October 20th, 2015 the International Monetary Fund will announce a new world currency. The IMF is one of the most secretive and powerful organizations in the world. They monitor the financial health of more than 188 member countries. They establish global money rules and provide “bail-out” assistance to bankrupt nations.

On October 20th, 2015 the IMF is expected to announce a reserve currency alternative to the U.S. dollar, which will send hundreds of billions of dollars moving around the world, literally overnight. link (https://www.facebook.com/notes/1024804264204439/)


hmmm...

I'll need Ben to translate this one...

seems like we have heard again and again the reason for 9/11 was a debt due day on the 12th.

he was talking arrests on Sept 11th this year, he must have heard these whispers...

one day following they are going to make the announcement, 2 days after that, the doors are taped shut on Government Bldgs...

[ThePythonicCow]

when electronics get taken out like this...


https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CMOr6TFUYAAnotJ.mp4

doesn't that show an EMP type explosion happen, or can it just be from shockwave?

Now it is confirmed it was an EMP flash that took out this camera along with China's cray 2 supercomputer that had been used for hacking into U.S. secured assets, including banks, pentagon etc, it is the computer that manipulated the Chinese market to keep it from crashing...

Estimated time of recovery 6 months to a year...

EMP FLASHES DO NOT OCCUR FROM CHEMICAL EXPLOSIONS...

Paul can you capture the last few frames of this video before it cuts?

Do you refer to these frames:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Tianjin_vlcsnap-2015-08-22-14h33m18s812.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/Tianjin_vlcsnap-2015-08-22-14h33m21s095.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/Tianjin_vlcsnap-2015-08-22-14h33m26s545.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/Tianjin_vlcsnap-2015-08-22-14h33m29s199.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/Tianjin_vlcsnap-2015-08-22-14h33m32s746.png

[Rocky_Shorz]

ahhh nothing showing the snow before the blast hit... 1/60th of a second didn't pick up signs of an EMP

[ThePythonicCow]

ahhh nothing showing the snow before the blast hit... 1/60th of a second didn't pick up signs of an EMP

The video seemed not to have full motion video (many frames per second), but rather only about one frame every three seconds ... perhaps a security camera trying to save on disk storage space.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I can't help but wonder if the two in that video made it out alive...

bad enough for the ones recording from 5 KM out having windows shattering around them...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was comparing today's explosion to the one a month ago, trying to see if it is the same plant and noticed an attacker was killed...

"Explosion in eastern China kills two, suspected attacker also dead: Xinhua...

An explosion in a park in China's eastern Shandong province has killed two people as well as the suspected attacker, the official Xinhua news agency said on Tuesday.

The report said the blast, late on Monday evening, killed a suspect named as 33-year-old unemployed villager Xie Xingtang. The Xinhua report did not mention a reason for the attack.

Photos circulating on Chinese microblog Sina Weibo showed police cordons surrounding an area scattered with debris and at least several people bleeding with severe injuries. Xinhua said three people were in critical condition." http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/21/us-china-blast-idUSKCN0PV03720150721

further clarified, not related to the chemical plant explosion...

"Three people were killed in an explosion at a park in east China's Shandong Province Monday night, local authorities said Tuesday.

The blast happened at 10:34 p.m. in Huxi Park in Shanxian County, a county government official told Xinhua.

Two people, including the man suspected of triggering the explosion, died on the spot. One of the 24 injured died after being sent to the hospital.

Three injured are still in critical condition.

The county government has sent more than 100 medical workers to treat the injured.

Police investigation suggests the suspect, 33-year-old unemployed villager Xie Xingtang, was single and has suffered from liver cirrhosis ascites for years. His condition had taken a turn for the worse prior to the incident.

The county government said they had allocated subsistence allowances to Xie and his family and provided policy support and donation to them since 2013 as they faced financial difficulties." link (http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/933180.shtml)

news is confusing when it goes through translation on the way to us...

[Rocky_Shorz]

the first plant explosion was a Liquid HydroCarbon tank

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKBszEoUkAAW9aJ.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKBpTuFUEAAri-1.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

Just in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34029202


An explosion has been reported at a chemical plant in China's eastern province of Shandong. Large flames could be seen from the site of the blast in Zibo County. There are no reports of casualties.

The proximity of industrial and chemical plants to residential areas has become hugely controversial.

vG_v0A8orLI


after looking closer you can see the video in th OP is the clip from the July 16th explosion


second explosion and fires at a chemical plant, this time in Shandong China, about 160 miles south of last weeks, Tianjin explosion.

July 16th 1st plant - Explosion rocks China Shandong Shtar Technology refinery
August 22nd - 2nd plant - Runxing Chemical plant in Shandong


interesting, a little over a week before the first explosion, Photo taken on Aug. 11, 2015 shows the demolition of seven coal-fired units with a total capacity of 680,000 kilowatts in Chiping County, east China's Shandong Province.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CML0hxrUkAAQbPH.jpg
http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20150812/00016c42b1c917351fe834.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

OK very confusing info on the 2 Blast at Chemical Plants in Shandong, one from July 16th the other from today.

Broke it down to end the confusion in the above post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84724-China-Explosion-II-Fires-at-Shandong-Chemical-Plant&p=991686&viewfull=1#post991686) [ Modedit: the above post began life on a different thread for the second Shandong explosion, which I then merged into this Tianjin thread, as suggested by Rocky_Shorz. -- Paul. ]

[ThePythonicCow]

Just in:
...
An explosion has been reported at a chemical plant in China's eastern province of Shandong.


This thread should be merged with main discussion
Good idea - merge done, and now I'll add "Shandong" to this thread's title (but not change the titles above each individual post above, as some refer to Tianjin and some to Shandong.

[ThePythonicCow]

From Xinhua Net (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-08/22/c_134544767.htm):

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-08/22/134544767_14402421728771n.jpg
I don't know what did this, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't some Fourth of July firecrackers sitting on the dock, awaiting shipment to the US.

[giovonni]

hmm ...

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/788F/production/_85136803_4f56cfe6-ade7-4035-8ff6-04a7d4fd6cd6.jpg

China blast hits Shandong chemical plant (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34029202)

[Rocky_Shorz]

I don't know what did this, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't some Fourth of July firecrackers sitting on the dock, awaiting shipment to the US.

firecrackers hitting a port would mean more money to the banksters, financial attack or warning the debt will not be rolled another year is most likely why shots are being fired across the bow...

owning the seas are one thing, China just sailed, but this is a reminder of who owns the sky...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Interesting, I would tend to think a "third party" making it look like it was the US... I wonder who? ;)

Gordon Duff laid it out in black and white in his new article...

"President Obama ordered the disabling of the Iron Dome in response to Netanyahu’s interference in American domestic politics, not just related to Iran but health care, social security, workers rights and other areas. Netanyahu has been working closely with members of organized crime to crash the American economy to punish President Obama. Those efforts have increased 10 fold since the Iran agreement including moves against China as well including what we are now told was the use of an Israeli tactical nuclear weapon at Tainjin. 10 days after the explosion, IAEA inspectors leaked their initial findings which are being released here for the first time. They list the weapon at 20 kilotons." link (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/23/israels-rage-and-impotence-the-final-days/)

[KiwiElf]

Thanks Rocky - that was my rhetorical belief all along ;) (and I strongly suspect it is "they" who are responsible for the explosion at a US military base in Japan today (Mon 24))

[Harley]

Other than how these explosions occurred, doesn't anything else seem a bit strange?

First there was the huge explosion at Tianjin Port that "took place at a warehouse at the port which contained hazardous and flammable chemicals" (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-33844084).

And then, approximately 186 miles/300km away and a week and a half later, there was an explosion in Zibo, Shandong at "a warehouse at a chemical plant" (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34029202).

Between the two events notice that common words are "warehouse" and "chemical" and uncommon words are "port" and "plant".

First question (for the big explosion at Tianjin): Could a warehouse located at a port be large enough to contain enough chemicals to cause this much destruction?

Possibly? Okay.

Second question (for the explosion in Zibo, Shandong): Could a warehouse located at a chemical plant cause an even larger explosion as opposed to a warehouse located at a port?

I would say Possibly, and even Probably.

In reading reports I have seen comments like "Keeping Western Media Away" and "Propaganda", and with that add the fact that the explosion at the chemical plant in Zibo comes a week and a half after the explosion at the Port of Tianjin, plus with the common theme of "Chemical"?

How far might someone go to get you to believe something?

There just may be a rabbit hole here, and possibly one even more convoluted than anyone has thus far envisioned

[idiit]

the federal reserve banking system is a Zionist control system. I think last week's stock market plunge and the very possible bloody Monday starting in a few hours overseas and here in usa Monday is linked to the Tianjin explosion. the following zerohedge linked article goes into some depth re china's possible strategy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-22/china-chooses-her-weapons

[KiwiElf]

And now a third, - Explosions at US military base in Kanagawa, Japan - just 40 km from Tokyo, with remarkable similarities, intended to look like a retaliation?:

https://www.rt.com/news/313159-explosion-us-base-japan/

[Harley]

Interesting.


"The building that exploded was not a hazardous material storage facility. We are in the process of determining the contents of the building. The depot does not store ammunition or radiological materials,"

If it doesn't contain haz-mat or ammo, than what are the many "missiles" I see taking off?

More crock.

[ParakeetMGP]

This is all getting strange and suspicious to me. I spend a lot of time trying to see "Breaking News" on my Twitter Feed. I got nothing of this News yet. I now noticed Shandong China had an even earlier Explosion Months ago before and then ... than the 1st big one in Tianjin. Which the second one in Shandong (Now?) could be fabricated (?) (I gather?) Something is going on, but I am not into World Politics to understand this mess. I just know the world is messing with us others in this world and not wanting to play ignorant to all the schemes going on around us.

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks Rocky - that was my rhetorical belief all along ;) (and I strongly suspect it is "they" who are responsible for the explosion at a US military base in Japan today (Mon 24))
An article I found linked from the Drudge Report on this explosion: Huge explosions at US army base in Japan (UK Mirror) (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/huge-explosions-army-base-japan-6306696):

=========


Huge explosions at US army base in Japan as warehouse burns and emergency services rush to scene

18:11, 23 August 2015, By Laura Connor

A helicopter is circling the military area in Sagamihara city after a series of massive bangs were heard from a warehouse which stores ammunition

Several huge explosions were heard today at a US army base in Japan.

At least 10 fire engines rushed to the scene in Sagamihara city, south of Tokyo, amid reports of a blast sparked by an unknown cause.

Footage shows several small bangs and one huge explosion, which witnesses described on social media as like "a fireworks display."

Pentagon spokesman US Navy Commander Bill Urban confirmed there are no injuries.

The site is part of a US army complex next to the capital where three deliberate explosions were reported in April, in what police suspect was an act of left-wing Japanese extremists.

But so far there has been nothing to suggest this blast was terror-related.

Commander Urban said: "There are no reports of injury, and base firefighters and first responders are currently fighting the resulting fire to prevent its spread to nearby buildings."

Japanese terrorist expert Michael Penn, who heads up Tokyo-based news agency Shingetsu News, said the blast occurred just after midnight Japan time at a building at the Sagami Depot.

He told the Mirror: "These explosions happened at a single warehouse. The explosions then continued quite intensely.

At least 10 fire engines were called to the scene and it seems like military guards called them.

"It is a deserted area and the question is how the fire was started. Something obviously blew it up."

Social media users have been sharing dramatic photos and videos from the region.

The Sagamihara Fire Department told Fox News: "Fire from the American military base has occurred."

The Sagami General Depot houses storage for petroleum products and ammunition, Japanese broadcasters are reporting.

Mr Penn said it is likely US military guards at the scene called Japanese firefighters but "restrictions were put on them".

He said "water was not used to douse the fire", perhaps because it was a chemical explosion.

He added that the warehouse contains oxide cylinders.
The fire department said the blasts occurred shortly before 1.00am local time and more than ten fire trucks were dispatched.

Japan’s Asahi newspaper reported that nobody has been evacuated but Mr Penn said it is a "deserted area".

The official cause of the explosion remains unknown but Japanese news agency Shingetsu said there had been an "accidental fire".
=========

[ThePythonicCow]

owning the seas are one thing, China just sailed, but this is a reminder of who owns the sky...
As below (with ships), so above (satellites.) The cost to destroy a major weapon base may be much less than the cost to create it.

From PressTV.ir: China capable of destroying US space assets, US ex-defense official says (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/08/20/425516/China-capable-US-space-assets-Exdefense-official):

=============


The former director of the US Missile Defense Agency says China is developing its missile programs that would allow the country to destroy “nearly all of our space assets.”

During a speech on Wednesday, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Trey Obering warned about Beijing’s growing military power.

“I believe that China is challenging the United States, specifically targeting our strategic ISR (Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance), our power projection capabilities, and our technological advantages with their missile programs,” he told an audience at the Hudson Institute, a Washington, DC-based think tank.

In 2007, the Chinese military showed that it can target low, earth-orbiting satellites with its anti-satellite missile test and now they have the capability to destroy American space assets, according to the former official.

=============

Of course, since this report comes from the former director of a US Defense agency, there is little doubt in my mind that it's spun, one or another or several ways.

[idiit]

all china has to do is destroy the teetering global fiat based financial system. usa leased out all their physical gold stockpiles at 0% interest. treachery from our " political misleaders" of highest order.

how's America going to be a military power when they don't have enough money to fill the gas tanks of their military machinery?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Interesting, I would tend to think a "third party" making it look like it was the US... I wonder who? ;)

Gordon Duff laid it out in black and white in his new article...

"President Obama ordered the disabling of the Iron Dome in response to Netanyahu’s interference in American domestic politics, not just related to Iran but health care, social security, workers rights and other areas. Netanyahu has been working closely with members of organized crime to crash the American economy to punish President Obama. Those efforts have increased 10 fold since the Iran agreement including moves against China as well including what we are now told was the use of an Israeli tactical nuclear weapon at Tainjin. 10 days after the explosion, IAEA inspectors leaked their initial findings which are being released here for the first time. They list the weapon at 20 kilotons." link (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/23/israels-rage-and-impotence-the-final-days/)

Rule 48 was invoked this morning reversing the panic selloff...

The news already started asking for QE4 for recovery obviously prescripted, not needed after invoking the rule to stop another bank robbery...

Is too big to jail suddenly going to change soon?

Ben says to watch what is coming soon...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Thanks Rocky - that was my rhetorical belief all along ;) (and I strongly suspect it is "they" who are responsible for the explosion at a US military base in Japan today (Mon 24))

I was suspecting anti sub missiles launched then incoming attack knocking out defenses...

Mini sub pops up in Tianjin, launches then quietly slipped away...

Stealth drones over the warehouses...

[Selkie]

Thanks Rocky - that was my rhetorical belief all along ;) (and I strongly suspect it is "they" who are responsible for the explosion at a US military base in Japan today (Mon 24))

I was suspecting anti sub missiles launched then incoming attack knocking out defenses...

Mini sub pops up in Tianjin, launches then quietly slipped away...

Stealth drones over the warehouses...

I've been wondering about B-2 bombers. I saw one of those at an air show one time. They are freaky.

[Rocky_Shorz]

https://img.rt.com/files/2015.08/original/55db5948c3618868528b45b3.jpg

" The US are reviewing the possibility of deploying ‘strategic’ military assets in South Korea in order to put pressure on Pyongyang, South Korean officials said Monday.

"South Korea and the US are flexibly reviewing the timing of the deployment of US strategic assets with close tabs kept on the crisis situation on the Korean Peninsula," said Defense Ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok, as quoted by local Yonhap news agency on Monday. He did not identify the assets that Washington is ready to deploy.

Later on Monday, Yonhap cited Korean military sources as saying the US is considering to dispatch B-52 or a B-2 Spirit stealth bomber and a nuclear-powered submarine currently stationed at Japan’s Yokosuka naval base." link (http://www.rt.com/news/313261-us-korea-send-weapons/)

whoever is messing with China knows they could easily set off a false flag attack which would trigger a war in Korea...

Korea was moving towards a one state peaceful solution...


the warmongers are doing their best to keep it from happening...


"The report in The Diplomat, an Asia-Pacific current affairs magazine, quoted US army Brigadier General Neil Tolley, commander for United States Forces Korea, as saying at a conference last week that the US and South Korea sent commandos for reconnaissance missions.

The Pentagon has dismissed the report, saying the general’s words were taken out of context.

"My understanding is that the general's comments were contorted, distorted, misreported, and that there is in no way any substance to the assertion. Again, it was misreported that there are US boots on the ground in North Korea. That is simply incorrect," spokesman George Little said.

However the bell has already been rung and could worsen already strained US-North Korean relations.

Eric Sirotkin from the National Campaign to End the Korean War claims that the US has always been using the threat of a rogue North Korea to serve its ends.

“We tend to make out the threat of a very violent and fearful situation in North Korea to serve other ends, to serve a large military base pointing to China on Jeju Island, to serve maintaining so many troops occupying South Korea. There are a lot of reasons we would like to maintain that edge there,” he says..." link (http://www.rt.com/news/north-korea-us-commandos-546/)

https://img.rt.com/files/news/3c/7a/d0/00/missile-1.jpg

"“Our assessment is that they have the ability to put a nuclear weapon on a KN-08 [ballistic missile] and shoot it at the homeland. We assess that it’s operational today, and so we practice to go against it,” Admiral William Gortney, the head of NORAD and the US Northern Command, told reporters Tuesday, citing intelligence assessments.

According to Gortney, despite no clear evidence the missile has been tested, such assessment was a “prudent decision” due to the re-locatable nature of the truck-like system it is based on, which “makes it very difficult for us to be able to counter it.”

READ MORE: N. Korea prepared to use nukes ‘any time’ it feels threated by US – DPRK Ambassador to UK

“We’re very concerned about the mobile nature of the KN-08. We lose our ability to get the indication that something might occur and of course the unpredictable nature of the regime that’s there,” Gortney said, adding that NORAD is nevertheless “confident we’ll be able to knock it down,” should it ever be launched at the US.

Meanwhile, a new report compiled by Johns Hopkins University’s US-Korea Institute has stressed that North Korea’s neighbors are the ones facing the biggest threat from its arsenal, while Pyongyang’s capability to strike the US remains questionable. " link (http://www.rt.com/news/247725-north-korea-ballistic-missiles/)


we saw a nuke just used in China, what if one hits S Korea industrial complex, blamed on North Korea?

Fasten your seat belts we have morons still in control who want WW III

Iran is out, now attention is immediately moved to Korea...

[Rocky_Shorz]

the good news is North and South Korea are already working on healing the rift...

"N. Korea has admitted it “regrets” S. Korean soldiers' injuries in landmine blasts that fueled the border conflict, as S. Korea has promised to halt its broadcasts into the north, Yonhap reported. The countries have also agreed to promote reunions of separated families.

North Korea has also reportedly pledged to end a “semi-state of war,” while South Korea will stop its border broadcasts at noon Tuesday if no abnormal situations occur in the near future.

Koreas have also reportedly agreed to hold new talks in Seoul or Pyongyang as soon as possible. They are also going to hold Red Cross talks in early September dedicated to the issue of reuniting families that were separated by the conflict that occurred over half a century ago.

On Saturday, the two Koreas' envoys began talks on the border crisis following tensions that saw an exchange of fire, a land mine explosion in the demilitarized border zone and S. Korea’s “propaganda broadcasts.”

The negotiations were held in the border village of Panmunjom, the place where the 1950-53 Korean War ceasefire agreement was signed.

The second round of the talks was marred by South Korean accusations that the North had tried to influence the peace process by military means. It had reportedly doubled its artillery units at the border, as well as deployed about 50 submarines and around 20 amphibious landing craft with special forces some 60 kilometers north of the Yellow Sea boundary." link (http://www.rt.com/news/313253-koreas-reach-agreement-talks/)


the false flag attack, must be stopped...

[idiit]

jeff smith at veterans today has finally released his analysis:


Former IAEA investigator, nuclear physicist and VT editor, Jeff Smith fills in the blanks


Confirmation – Tianjin was nuked
August 25, 2015
This was no chemical fire, this was China's 9-11

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/

incredibly well documented. the kind of work that only vt is providing atm.

[syrwong]

jeff smith at veterans today has finally released his analysis:


Former IAEA investigator, nuclear physicist and VT editor, Jeff Smith fills in the blanks


Confirmation – Tianjin was nuked
August 25, 2015
This was no chemical fire, this was China's 9-11

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/

incredibly well documented. the kind of work that only vt is providing atm.

I tend to agree with VT without reading all the detailed analysis. But if this is true, a worrying question pops out: Why so many posts appeared early in this thread argued that it was probably a conventional explosion?

[ThePythonicCow]

I tend to agree with VT without reading all the detailed analysis. But if this is true, a worrying question pops out: Why so many posts appeared early in this thread argued that it was probably a conventional explosion?
I see perhaps just two posters who were, in my estimation, trying to persuade us that it was conventional, and a few more posters, again in my estimation, honestly puzzling over the initial conflicting and incomplete evidence and reports.

This Tianjin explosion may well be, again in my estimation, one of, if not the premier, event marking yet another shift in world affairs, as was 9/11, some 14 years ago. In this case, the close connections of the Tianjin explosion in the major Chinese port city nearest their national capital (just as New York was the major financial city nearest the US national capital city) with Chinese trade,
with Chinese financial and economic activity handled by the nearby supercomputer,
with the immediately preceding commencement of currency revaluations, and
with the immediately following round one of a financial collapse in the world stock marketsare not simply accidental correlations.

Such events are like the flash bang explosions that announce the start of a commando raid. Such events do not, in and of themselves, do much damage, but they freeze some who weren't expecting it, commit compromised "leaders" to certain actions with another layer of lies and coverups, opportunistically permit a bit of "useful" theft or destruction, distract the onlookers, and mark the presence of unseen forces capable of surprising actions.

As with 9/11, the round of events that this "flash bang" explosion marks the start of will take years to unfold, with effects far beyond the port city where it occurred.

After 9/11, we saw the ramping up of tyrannical control of the people by their central governments in Western nations, and an overlapping series of devastating conventional, terrorist and guerrilla wars, especially in the Middle East, North Africa and Southern Asia. The world's economic, monetary and financial systems bifurcated, into

a Wall Street, Big Bank, Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, etc controlled exponentially growing pile of debt, derivatives and deceit that is increasingly divorced from
a dislocated, dysfunctional, indebted and disillusioned humanity.

"Bifurcated" -- Split into two.

The myth of the last few years that the quantitative easing of Western Banks since the financial crisis of 2008 is hyper-inflationary Zimbabwe style money printing is one of the several confusing, misleading, overlapping and conflicting cover stories for what has been happening, and which we would do well to better understand, if we are now to understand what is about to happen next, of which this Tianjin explosion may well announce the start.

Increasingly over the last century, and almost exclusively over the last half century, money has been lent into existence, traded for promises of future repayments, returns, or repossessions. The events of the last 14 years had to "kick off" in the financial district in New York City; that was the symbolic center of this system, and in the last 14 years we have observed the essentially complete separation of that system from the world that the rest of us live in. We now have a world of people, businesses, governments and other institutions that is deeply dependent on a system of world trade, economic activity and continued lending just to make payments on existing debt, lest they suffer the consequences of foreclosure, confiscation, austerity, and other unexpected, undesired, forms of impoverishment and enslavement.

This web of economic activity centers around China, which is the world's number one importer of raw materials from resource rich nations and the world's number one exporter of manufactured goods to the "wealthier" nations, thanks to having relocated massive portions of its population from rural China to its rapidly constructed manufacturing cities.

The lending has dried up, except for some shell games that the Banksters play between themselves, to keep up pretenses. China's imports of raw materials are collapsing; they are buying less, and paying less for it. Resource rich nations are now facing bankruptcy, en mass. Oil, copper, whatever prices and trade volumes are reaching record lows. China's exports are also collapsing. World shipping activity and rates are reaching record lows. The continued income flow required to service existing debt is no longer there. Existing debt must fail, world-wide, in amounts greater than ever seen in recorded history.

The Tianjin explosion is quite possibly the numero uno "flash bang grenade" announcing the commencement of the next phase of this creative destruction.

[KiwiElf]

Also interesting to see how many of the original videos posted on this thread are no longer available - wiping the evidence already, just like JFK & 9-11! :(

[ThePythonicCow]

Resource rich nations are now facing bankruptcy, en mass. Oil, copper, whatever prices and trade volumes are reaching record lows.
For example, from Baltic Dry Index slips below 1000 points (http://www.livemint.com/Money/VrREfw6MuPHDyumCHArIPO/Economic-indicator-Baltic-Dry-Index-slips-below-1000-points.html):



Baltic Dry Index (BDI) slips below 1000 points. [The BDI] tracks transport costs on international trade routes for dry bulk commodities such as coal and iron ore. ... The index is now 91.6% down from its all-time high of 11,793 points reached on 20 May 2008.

...The Bloomberg Commodity Index (BCI) hit a 16-year low on Monday, declining 17.7% year to date. The Thomson Reuters CRB Commodity Index is down 16.8% year, hovering around a decade’s lows.

Shipping companies in India include Shipping Corp. of India Ltd, Great Eastern Shipping Co. Ltd, Mercator Ltd, Varun Shipping Co Ltd and Chowgule Steamships Ltd.

“The oversupply in the dry bulk segment, along with weaker demand conditions particularly in China, kept freight rates low throughout financial year 2015.

[Rocky_Shorz]

"the advice to the Obama regime by one of their top economic counselors, Paul Krugman, that either a World War, or war with aliens, is needed to fix their economy, one can readily see where this is all going to end up…much sooner than later.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhMAV9VLvHA

It is one thing when you hear of Countries entering BRICs, but what happens when Major Banks in the Federal Reserve start stepping across? Sorcha report to follow

"A curious Ministry of Finance (MoF) report circulating in the Kremlin today says that the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) has “accepted for protection” 3 million ounces of gold worth over $3.5 billon from US banking and financial services giant Citigroup along with a further nearly $100 billion in cash.

According to this report, 1.4 million ounces of this now protected gold in the vaults of the CBR were shipped directly from Venezuela after this past April’s complex agreement between that South American nation and Citigroup, with the remaining 1.6 million ounces coming from various countries this banking and financial service giant has cut ties with in the past year and a half.

Of the 11 nations, including Japan, that Citigroup has cut ties with, this report explains, even in the face of Western sanctions Citigroup has refused to sever its Federation relationship with its chief financial officer, John Gerspach, simply telling the Obama regime “We are not leaving Russia”... "

"Of the $100 billion in cash “accepted for protection” by the CBR from Citigroup, this report continues, all of it was airlifted to Moscow from Cairo this past week ahead of today’s Central Bank of Egypt ruling approving the sale of this US banking giants assets in that country to the Commercial International Bank (CIB) which they had announced this past June.

As to why Citigroup had a staggering $100 billion in cash secreted away in their Egyptian banks this report doesn’t say, but the MoF does note that the gold and monies “accepted for protection” by the CBR from Citigroup now exist under Federation laws and are not allowed to be claimed by any foreign entity, including the United States. "

link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1905.htm)

[idiit]

It's Official: China Confirms It Has Begun Liquidating Treasuries, Warns Washington
Tyler Durden's pictureSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 08/27/2015 07:27 -040

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-27/its-official-china-confirms-it-has-begun-liquidating-treasuries-warns-washington

the way the "debt as money" game is supposed to work is that municipalities, states, nations sell bonds (debt with interest payments) to pay for their "stuff". if no one buys their bonds (loans them the money) they don't have the cash to support their projects. this is when nations are forced in the short term to counterfeit their own currency Zimbabwe style. soon thereafter no one accepts their "legal tender".

whatever happened to paying for stuff with unencumbered real assets/real money instead of debt?

jim willie explains over and over how the over/hyper-inflated debt bubble most nations,states,municipalities find themselves in atm is now supported by so many trillion$ in derivatives that we can't even imagine the real meaning of how big these derivatives are; many times global gdp.

the derivatives are likened to pylons supporting infrastructure. any movement at all in the global financial markets be it forex (currencies), commodities, stocks, bond yields, etc.... cannot be withstood. the infrastructure is so fragile, so delicate that it can't take movement of any kind.

Houston, we have major movement.

this is now a financial war.

china wants the ponzy destroyed. they have the gold ( as well as Russia) to start a new financial system. the physical metal backed exchange mechanisms are in place.

[ThePythonicCow]

This Tianjin explosion may well be, again in my estimation, one of, if not the premier, event marking yet another shift in world affairs, as was 9/11, some 14 years ago.

...
The Tianjin explosion is quite possibly the numero uno "flash bang grenade" announcing the commencement of the next phase of this creative destruction.
I suggest connecting the dots, between what I wrote yesterday in the above post, and what I just wrote on another thread, in Gerald Celente has put a date on the upcoming stock market crash. When? -- Post #104 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84350-Gerald-Celente-has-put-a-date-on-the-upcoming-stock-market-crash.-When&p=993555&viewfull=1#post993555).

[idiit]

jim willie just released his latest interview. he goes straight into the Tianjin explosion. the port is very strategic. the computer located 2 kilometers from the blasts site (looks like a mini nuke to him too) is the computer china relies on for space technologies, financial stuff for the china markets, military applications and more.

jim willie says the Tianjin explosions tie into the ongoing financial war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7U3K34spuQ

[Harley]

RE: Whether or not the explosion(s) were nuclear or conventional:

Seems to me that most people are still stuck in the pre-80s or so when it comes to their knowledge of nuclear weapons. But then that's understandable since ongoing military research in nuclear weapons technology is mostly classified.

How about Antimatter? Still think it either doesn't exist or is far too expensive to produce? Well think again. Other than all the stuff you read on the internet, what do you think CERN is being used for? In July 1986, antimatter was captured in an electromagnetic trap for the first time in history, and A LOT of Research and Development can be accomplished in 30 years!

There are two types of Antimatter weapons, the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb and the Positron Bomb.

With the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb, the three to four kilograms of plutonium necessary for the ignition are replaced by one microgram of antihydrogen. In this configuration the electromagnetic pulse effect and the radioactive fall-out are substantially lower than that of a conventional A- or H-bomb of the same yield.

With a Positron Bomb, where Antimatter is used not just as a trigger but as the explosive itself, no radioactive contaminants are ejected.

So do we have 'em? Reading the following pages will help you to come to your own more-informed conclusion (and keep me off the hook). :)

Antimatter Weapons (http://cui.unige.ch/isi/sscr/phys/antim-BPP.html) - 22 AUG 2005

Air Force Pursuing Antimatter Weapons / Program Was Touted Publicly, Then Came Official Gag Order (http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Air-Force-pursuing-antimatter-weapons-Program-2689674.php) - 04 OCT 2004

[syrwong]

I always find the messages from Andromeda fascinating. The explanation of the TianJin explosion as a strike by space weapon is in line with some views in this thread, but not borrowing from them.

Mythi, the explosions that there were in China and elsewhere while you were away must have been accompanied
by other units of your fleet, can you say something about it? Why they showed an explosion occurred in July 16 as
the explosion occurred in 22/08?
- Well, your elites do not stop being creative. Like any element considered weapons are automatically barred from
being brought to your orbit, they installed units that literally loose small artificial meteors with sodium metal
alloys encapsulated in titanium to cause the surgical destruction of targets. This type of apparatus does not fit the
weapons-related mass destruction, so nothing effective can be done about it. This type of apparatus and can be
possibly used to cause false "natural events", such as blow up large amounts of explosives placed in strategic
locations, causing tidal waves, isolated areas, among other possibilities. Neither the regional governments don't
want to show what really happened there... the real strike may show something coming from above like a
"meteor". It's all part of the same game. They know that time is short for soon having to take the underground
shelters built for comfortable survival because it still maintains the hope of being "all that's left" and thus be
accepted as the continuation of this colony. But be assured that it will not happen, their place certainly will not be
further on this colony of level 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOfkgXuzRMY

[ThePythonicCow]

How about Antimatter? Still think it either doesn't exist or is far too expensive to produce? Well think again. Other than all the stuff you read on the internet, what do you think CERN is being used for? In July 1986, antimatter was captured in an electromagnetic trap for the first time in history, and A LOT of Research and Development can be accomplished in 30 years!

There are two types of Antimatter weapons, the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb and the Positron Bomb.

An important reminder - thanks, Harley (and stay off that hook :)).

[Rocky_Shorz]

RE: Whether or not the explosion(s) were nuclear or conventional:

Seems to me that most people are still stuck in the pre-80s or so when it comes to their knowledge of nuclear weapons. But then that's understandable since ongoing military research in nuclear weapons technology is mostly classified.

How about Antimatter? Still think it either doesn't exist or is far too expensive to produce? Well think again. Other than all the stuff you read on the internet, what do you think CERN is being used for? In July 1986, antimatter was captured in an electromagnetic trap for the first time in history, and A LOT of Research and Development can be accomplished in 30 years!

There are two types of Antimatter weapons, the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb and the Positron Bomb.

With the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb, the three to four kilograms of plutonium necessary for the ignition are replaced by one microgram of antihydrogen. In this configuration the electromagnetic pulse effect and the radioactive fall-out are substantially lower than that of a conventional A- or H-bomb of the same yield.

With a Positron Bomb, where Antimatter is used not just as a trigger but as the explosive itself, no radioactive contaminants are ejected.

So do we have 'em? Reading the following pages will help you to come to your own more-informed conclusion (and keep me off the hook). :)

Antimatter Weapons (http://cui.unige.ch/isi/sscr/phys/antim-BPP.html) - 22 AUG 2005

Air Force Pursuing Antimatter Weapons / Program Was Touted Publicly, Then Came Official Gag Order (http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Air-Force-pursuing-antimatter-weapons-Program-2689674.php) - 04 OCT 2004

We have a thread here on anti matter burst created by chemtrails clouds. From the bottom they are known as punch holes, but those are created by a release of anti-matter.

This was at a time they were using Thorium in the mixture.

Massive fish and bird deaths were reported at the time.

When I get back to my computer I will try and locate the thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

We have a thread here on anti matter burst created by chemtrails clouds. From the bottom they are known as punch holes, but those are created by a release of anti-matter.

This was at a time they were using Thorium in the mixture.

Massive fish and bird deaths were reported at the time.

When I get back to my computer I will try and locate the thread.
Perhaps one of these:

Avalon - The gathering of 33 Bloodlines... (Post #34, 13 Jan 2011) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10845-Avalon-The-gathering-of-33-Bloodlines...&p=96352&viewfull=1#post96352)
Advanced AI is taking questions(the machine possibly...) (Post #75, 2 Mar 2011) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15467-Advanced-AI-is-taking-questions-the-machine-possibly...-&p=163059&viewfull=1#post163059)
Chemtrails: Fact, Or New Age Myth? (Post #82, 11 July 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60948-Chemtrails-Fact-Or-New-Age-Myth&p=700851&viewfull=1#post700851)
Chemtrails: Fact, Or New Age Myth? (Post #158, 19 Nov 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60948-Chemtrails-Fact-Or-New-Age-Myth&p=760241&viewfull=1#post760241)
Please report psychic attacks here (Post #316, 25 Nov 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55024-Psychic-attacks-solutions-comments-and-advice&p=763008&viewfull=1#post763008)
Secret Chemtrail Pilot Speaks (the INDIGO SKYFOLD story) - Dec 8, 2014 (Post #35, 19 Dec 2014) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78003-Secret-Chemtrail-Pilot-Speaks--the-INDIGO-SKYFOLD-story--Dec-8-2014&p=914226&viewfull=1#post914226)

[Citizen No2]

I'll re-post my post from page 3 of this thread as the conversation has gone towards a topic that I had noted.



For information purposes only. I have applied bold text to pertinent points:


FAQ:
Q: In a nutshell what is a Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapon (FGNW)?
A: It is a nuclear fusion weapon that doesn't use a fission trigger. The most feasible method to trigger fusion in a FGNW is to use microscopic amounts of anti-matter.

Q: What advantages do FGNWs have over conventional nukes?
A: They are "clean" (radioactive fallout negligible, about on par with conventional depleted uranium weapons that are already in use), they are very small (potentially can fit in your pocket), and fill in the "yield gap" between the most powerful conventional weapons and the lowest yield conventional nukes.

Q: Will FGNWs really be more politically acceptable to use in actual combat?
A: Who knows? Only time can tell for certain, but their "radioactive cleanness" is a compelling argument in favour for it.

Q: What would be the TNT equivalent of a FGNW be?
A: A 3 gram pellet of fusion fuel would release around 302 gigajoules of energy (about 72 tons of TNT), so around that.

Q: Wouldn't FGNWs be attractive for nuclear terrorism?
A: No, it's easier to build conventional nuclear weapons. FGNWs require extremely large particle accelerators to manufacture the antimatter necessary for the FGNW. A terrorist who wants a suitcase nuke is better off with something like the M-388 Davy Crockett.


A theatre, a 'live' test, is always desirable by The Psychopaths(TM) for their weapons of coercion.



Regards.

[Rocky_Shorz]

We have a thread here on anti matter burst created by chemtrails clouds. From the bottom they are known as punch holes, but those are created by a release of anti-matter.

This was at a time they were using Thorium in the mixture.

Massive fish and bird deaths were reported at the time.

When I get back to my computer I will try and locate the thread.
Perhaps one of these:

Avalon - The gathering of 33 Bloodlines... (Post #34, 13 Jan 2011) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10845-Avalon-The-gathering-of-33-Bloodlines...&p=96352&viewfull=1#post96352)
Advanced AI is taking questions(the machine possibly...) (Post #75, 2 Mar 2011) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15467-Advanced-AI-is-taking-questions-the-machine-possibly...-&p=163059&viewfull=1#post163059)
Chemtrails: Fact, Or New Age Myth? (Post #82, 11 July 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60948-Chemtrails-Fact-Or-New-Age-Myth&p=700851&viewfull=1#post700851)
Chemtrails: Fact, Or New Age Myth? (Post #158, 19 Nov 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60948-Chemtrails-Fact-Or-New-Age-Myth&p=760241&viewfull=1#post760241)
Please report psychic attacks here (Post #316, 25 Nov 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55024-Psychic-attacks-solutions-comments-and-advice&p=763008&viewfull=1#post763008)
Secret Chemtrail Pilot Speaks (the INDIGO SKYFOLD story) - Dec 8, 2014 (Post #35, 19 Dec 2014) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78003-Secret-Chemtrail-Pilot-Speaks--the-INDIGO-SKYFOLD-story--Dec-8-2014&p=914226&viewfull=1#post914226)


found it, birds falling from the sky thread...


I'm not sure if you saw this...


Antimatter caught streaming from thunderstorms on Earth

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50740000/jpg/_50740469_50740468.jpg


A space telescope has accidentally spotted thunderstorms on Earth producing beams of antimatter.

Such storms have long been known to give rise to fleeting sparks of light called terrestrial gamma-ray flashes.

But results from the Fermi telescope show they also give out streams of electrons and their antimatter counterparts, positrons.

The surprise result was presented by researchers at the American Astronomical Society meeting in the US.

It deepens a mystery about terrestrial gamma-ray flashes, or TGFs - sparks of light that are estimated to occur 500 times a day in thunderstorms on Earth. They are a complex interplay of light and matter whose origin is poorly understood.

Thunderstorms are known to create tremendously high electric fields - evidenced by lightning strikes.

Electrons in storm regions are accelerated by the fields, reaching speeds near that of light and emitting high-energy light rays - gamma rays - as they are deflected by atoms and molecules they encounter.

These flashes are intense - for a thousandth of a second, they can produce as many charged particles from one flash as are passing through the entire Earth's atmosphere from all other processes.

story link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12158718)

are they using Thorium to produce clouds?

The release produced a Punch hole in the cloud? What if you were a bird flying below this energy release?

what happens when the release is downward? or isn't that possible?

[ThePythonicCow]

found it, birds falling from the sky thread...
Ah - this one: Birds falling from the Sky -- Post #197 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?272-Birds-falling-from-the-Sky&p=96436&viewfull=1#post96436)

[Rocky_Shorz]

that was an article from 1/11/11 right when the Charles roller coaster was beginning and we were discussing a group of elites that wanted to kill off 6 and a half billion of us...

couldn't help think controlling that process as a weapon would have made it pretty easy...

crushed bones in birds to jelly...

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

news... just in.

http://www.rt.com/news/313933-china-factory-blast-new/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/china-explosion-city-dongying-rocked-6357544

In this footage you can see the blast wave

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7c7_1441049532

be happy :-)

lucidity

[lucidity]

Hello siblings,

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-33898637

http://www.naturalnews.com/050816_Tianjin_explosion_space-based_weapons_military_retaliation.html

be happy :-)

lucidity

[ThePythonicCow]

Nuking of Tianjin, China
I merged your new thread in with the existing thread discussing this topic.

[Bubu]

This can lead to an all out war between US vs China and Russia. Our best hope is for the puppet military of the PTB to realize what its going to cost for the masses. Lets send thought forms along their way that they may wake up to what they are participating to and turn their guns on their bosses instead.

[ThePythonicCow]

Second massive factory blast reported in China
We're covering the multiple Tianjin and Shandong, China, explosions in one thread, so I merged your report on the second Shandong explosion in with the the thread already covering these Chinese explosions.

[ThePythonicCow]

This can lead to an all out war between US vs China and Russia.
That might depend on whether it was the US who caused this, or at least on whether China thinks it was the US and whether China chooses to use this as a casus belli (cause of war).

It already seems apparent that China is not choosing to use these explosions to justify open war against the US ... which is what I would expect ... China is unlikely to treat the US in the way that the US treated Afghanistan after 9/11. Rather China is being more discreet.

And there's a good chance that it is not the US causing these explosions.

[KiwiElf]

Also here:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/12/was-china-nuked-today-by-rothschildskhazarsus/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/30/was-china-nuked-today-part-2-may-you-live-in-interesting-times/

Update: It's now all over the internet, incl Wall St Journal, Sydney & NZ MSM sources. 2nd Explosion in a chemical plant in Shandong.

[giovonni]

And there's a good chance that it is not the US causing these explosions.

Yes indeed - if sabotage is suspected ...

China is not as stable as some here might think (internally (http://www.ibtimes.com/7-problems-chinas-rise-worlds-largest-economy-will-not-solve-1578566)). Its leadership is currently under a lot of pressure in dealing with its growth/decline in the financial/real estate markets, as well as many social issues ... Not to mention its obvious huge environmental problems etc ... With its extended/vast investments (for outside resources) on many continents that help propel/fuel its economy's needs - I believe the last thing the leadership would want or could handle is a major conflict with the United States or any other nations for that matter...

Even with the increases in its military budget expenditures ... As well as its joint navel exercises and cooperation's with Russia (which also not in a good economic situation) - I don't hear any war drums beating yet.

What I do believe is in the cards are several hot/spot areas igniting into mini conflicts that would allow these giant economies to deflect and de-pressurize their economic woes ...

Problematic examples: Southeast Asia (Sea of China), North/South Korea, and of course the ongoing Ukraine/ Russia desputes. Saying all that - the United States military (or economy) is in no shape to take on any more military adventurism - Of course unless it only requires pushing the big one ... Don't believe we're there yet.

PS - I do suspect sabotage either inside country or a close-by nation.

[3(C)+me]

All I can say for sure is, someone is very upset with China, very upset, who could that be?. I can see one event, maybe some accident, maybe, but two, well I don't think so. China will respond to who they think did it, but it will buried in some newspaper in a small paragraph or it will be said in ways that will be indirect, maybe one of us will pick it up.

[ThePythonicCow]

All I can say for sure is, someone is very upset with China, very upset
Or perhaps someone wants China to be very upset with someone else, or perhaps someone wants most of us to figure that China and the US are very upset with each other, or someone wants to distract us from something else, or ... :).

[KiwiElf]

Earlier, I said Netanyahoo, (I was careful not to say Israel... that would not be accurate or fair) ... perhaps the Khazarian Mafia is more accurate, ie if that's the case, it includes certain Bush & Rothschild member's too who literally want World War 3, based on some lunatic religious belief. You can throw weather warfare into that as well (there are currently 3 - that's right, 3, CAT4 hurricanes forming in the Pacific Ocean as I write (and if you look at the last one to hit Okinawa, when's the last time - if ever - you saw a Hurricane do a perfect right hand turn???). We're talking a tiny number of psychopaths running "the show" who have the finger on the button of some extraordinary technology - and for all intensive purposes, that's what it is - a "show" of shock and awe. Who gains? Who loses?

The Cabal, or TPTB or Illuminati - whatever you want to call them - is not one group and not aligned to any one country; they just get off on power created by fear. Don't give it to them.

Their modus-operandi is confusion - do the act and make it look like someone else did it - it's becoming blatantly transparent ;)

[idiit]

And there's a good chance that it is not the US causing these explosions.

^ very few governing elites of any and all countries truly represent the ppl of that sovereign nation.

I agree that it's very important to discern between a cabal faction and the actual population of the nation that particular cabal faction rules by deceit, treachery, violence......

I hope China and Russia are as discerning in their retributions.

[yuhui]

I am searching a lot about this event from social networks, also twitter and here. What amazes me is the consistency of the opinions of the majority on social networks with foreign mainstream media like bbc, newyork times, and some of their journalists reporting this news on twitter. They all talk about chemicals, the corruption and the human rights issue of fireman..and now 11 officials are locked for lack of diligence. However, before, when real accidents happen,ex. train crash wenzhou or boat accident Yangzi river. the media, especially on social networks (not on foreign social networks), the posts related to these issues are instantly removed. So I wonder if this is an intended media diversion that preventing people ask more reasonable questions. I mean, people gets quite emotional when they discussing corruption and human rights here.

The mainstream media here has been building a lot of hatred towards Japan for years, maybe they are just channelling oppression in this nation to hatred. but war between China and Japan is definitely more likely to be accepted than other western countries since they represent democracy, civilization and happiness.

[3(C)+me]

All I can say for sure is, someone is very upset with China, very upset
Or perhaps someone wants China to be very upset with someone else, or perhaps someone wants most of us to figure that China and the US are very upset with each other, or someone wants to distract us from something else, or ... :).

I thought of making your response in a multiple choice question, but on second thought, It might appear to some as making light of a very serious subject, as yuhui post reminded me. People have been hurt/killed.
But could it be that China did it to itself, now before you say that is crazy, one example: 9/11.
And what was the US able to gleam from the event: finger pointing, renditions, more wars for "freedom and democracy", creating terrorist organizations, black sites, torture just to name a few.
Down the rabbit hole we go...

[Zionbrion]

Mike Adams latest article

http://www.naturalnews.com/051042_covert_war_China_mysterious_explosions.html

China's covert war with America heats up: warships near Alaska, another industrial explosion, and China unveils cruise missile that renders U.S. carriers obsolete

(NaturalNews) Two weeks ago, I ran an exclusive Natural News story announcing that a covert war between China and the USA had begun. The war started as a currency and debt war, then escalated into the catastrophic Tianjin explosion carried out by the U.S. Pentagon in a "kinetic retaliation" strategy, according to sources.

It wasn't long after the Tianjin explosion that a second explosion rocked the Chinese province of Shandong, sending "coincidence theorists" into a hissy fit because suddenly a pattern of explosions was emerging that could not simply be explained away as sheer chance.

Just a few days later, a massive explosion took out a U.S. military munitions depot in Japan, and evidence clearly pointed to it being sabotage (the Chinese government hates the Japanese, and it's now the 70th anniversary of Japan's heinous war crimes committed against the Chinese people).

Now, as reported by The Daily Sheeple, a THIRD massive explosion has ripped through China's industrial infrastructure... this time also taking place in the Shandong province.

When I first saw this news, I thought someone was confusing the facts about the Shandong province, mistakenly thinking there were two explosions taking place there. But it turns out there were really two explosions in Shandong alone (plus the one in Tianjin), according to the Mirror (UK) which reports: "Today's explosion is also the SECOND blast to occur in Shandong, after a previous one injured eight people just over a week ago."

(Keep in mind that China is desperately censoring all the news on these explosions, and the Chinese government is also heavily pressuring other nations to downplay or censor these explosions as well. There is a global effort to suppress this news, and China has even arrested over 15,000 bloggers and journalists for so-called "internet crimes" which include reporting on true events the government doesn't want talked about.)

For full details on this latest explosion, you'll have to read little-known Chinese language websites such as this page from NTDTV.com which explains this latest explosion in great detail and even carries some new video not found elsewhere.

Here's video from the first Tianjin explosion. It will make your head spin. (WARNING: LOTS OF PROFANITY IN THE VIDEO for all the obvious reasons.) Notice carefully that it contains two explosions: the 3-ton TNT equivalent explosion you see at the beginning, followed by a massive 21-ton TNT equivalent explosion of the chemicals:

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Now, then, we have FOUR explosions that have taken place between China and the United States, all in the span of just a few weeks. The realization that something far beyond chance is happening here is now inescapable. Clearly, someone is strategically and covertly sabotaging China's industrial infrastructure... and this is all taking place at a time when China is accelerating its selling of U.S. debt while devaluing its own currency (both of which are considered acts of economic warfare by the United States).

Five Chinese naval ships spotted operating off the coast of Alaska - Wall Street Journal

Following all the back-and-forth explosions mentioned above, we now have the Wall Street Journal reporting that Chinese naval ships are being spotted off the coast of Alaska.

From the WSJ on Wednesday, Sep. 2:

Five Chinese navy ships are currently operating in the Bering Sea off the coast of Alaska, Pentagon officials said Wednesday, marking the first time the U.S. military has seen them in the area. The officials have been tracking the movements in recent days of three Chinese combat ships...

Note carefully that these are, according to the WSJ, "Chinese combat ships." Their presence so close to the continental United States is yet another escalation of kinetic warfare posturing between the two nations. (Don't forget that just a few months ago, Russian nuclear bombers were also spotted making "practice runs" toward Alaska.)

China unveils Mach 10 "carrier killer" cruise missile that renders U.S. carriers tactically obsolete

On top of all this, China has just unveiled a Mach 10 cruise missile that can destroy U.S. aircraft carriers, thereby rendering them all but obsolete in the modern theater of war.

From the Financial Times, Sep. 2, 2015:

A weapon so secret China would not reveal it for years will make its first public appearance in a military parade on Thursday, Chinese defence experts say.

The so-called "carrier-killer" missile that threatens to reshape the balance of power in the western Pacific is set to wheel through the centre of Beijing along with 12,000 troops and 500 tanks and other vehicles as China marks the 70th anniversary of the end of the second world war.

Like an intercontinental ballistic missile, the DF-21D goes into orbit, but after re-entering the atmosphere it is capable of manoeuvring on to a target, making it theoretically capable of landing a large warhead on or near a moving ship.

Some analysts say such missiles threaten to consign aircraft carriers -- which form the basis of current US naval strategy -- to the dustbin, just as aircraft carriers themselves did to battleships with Japan’s 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.

What especially fascinating about this is that I wrote a weapons analysis document just 10 days ago that described the capabilities of orbital weapon systems as being very similar to what the Financial Times has now stated about China's Mach 10 cruise missile.

From my analysis published August 23, 2015:

A higher density "rod" weapon designed with exotic materials and dropped from high Earth orbit would obviously arrive on target at some velocity higher than 1km/s, but we don't know how much higher. Conservatively, let's estimate four times the velocity of an artillery shell, or 4km/s. In case you're curious, this is roughly Mach 12.

...Once the rod reaches atmosphere, small changes in control surfaces could easily glide the rod to within 2 meters of any intended target on impact, using the exact same technology that already exists in precision munitions on Earth (tiny adjustable surfaces near the tail).

China's new Dongfeng (meaning "East Wind", and pronounced like "Dong Fong" for those who wish to speak Chinese) cruise missile also launches into orbit, cruises through the atmosphere at Mach 10, and is precision guided to strike any land-based target within its range.

Based on the fact that this technology is openly admitted to exist in China, does anybody really think the Pentagon doesn't already have weapons that meet or exceed these capabilities?

Furthermore, does any intelligent person really believe this string of industrial explosions is sheer coincidence?

Of course they aren't. The U.S. and China are already engaged in the preliminary stages of war, folks. It just hasn't been announced yet. Just as importantly, both China and the United States possess and are using advanced weapon systems whose operational details aren't publicly known yet.

Warfare in 2015 isn't the same as warfare in 1942. In fact, it's so different that most people don't even recognize when it has already begun.

PREDICTION: Watch for yet more war posturing, currency devaluation moves, debt dumping attacks, cyber warfare, strategic hacking and "unexplained" explosions throughout the remainder of 2015. These are not random events. They are all part of the war with China that has already begun.

[CD7]

This was pretty random and apparently Noone...nothing wants to talk about it...This thing was seen from Tampa all the way to the bottom of the state in Miami, Fl (from top to bottom of Florida).....Strange event and even stranger that its subject appears to be glazed over...

[Bingo]

So far we have no radiation readings. If it was a nuclear explosion the cell phones would have fried.

Why not wait for real confirmation since Ian Greenhalgh who wrote the VT article is a photographer and Jeff Smith is a nobody.

Mike Adams has been disinfo all along.

Dr. Joseph Farrell is still waiting as are others who take this more seriously.

[idiit]

So far we have no radiation readings

^ exactly why they are using new wmd technology to hide the "fingerprint".


Jeff Smith is a nobody.


my understanding was that jeff smith was an iaea inspector and is a nuclear physicist:


Jeff Smith – Nuclear Physicist, is a former a nuclear weapons specialist with the Department of Energy and UN (IAEA) weapons inspector specialising in nuclear nonproliferation issues. He is now cryptographic curator and historian, preserving classified documents involving nuclear weapons research

http://www.veteranstoday.com/staff-writers/


Nuclear Physics Education Requirements


Individuals interested in becoming nuclear physicists will most likely need a doctoral degree, according to the BLS. Nearly all doctoral degree programs in physics require applicants to hold a bachelor's degree in physics or a closely related field


http://study.com/articles/Jobs_in_Nuclear_Physics_Career_Information_and_Education_Requirements.html


The Difference Between a PhD and Professional Doctorate

http://www.capella.edu/blogs/cublog/phd-vs-doctorate-differences/

[Selkie]

This was pretty random and apparently Noone...nothing wants to talk about it...This thing was seen from Tampa all the way to the bottom of the state in Miami, Fl (from top to bottom of Florida).....Strange event and even stranger that its subject appears to be glazed over...

This, ^^^^, is very weird in light of this,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85022-China-s-covert-war-with-America-heats-up&p=995880&viewfull=1#post995880

[betoobig]

If so there should be ,more graphic material. Where did you get the picture??
Thanks so much CD7

[RunningDeer]

This was pretty random and apparently Noone...nothing wants to talk about it...This thing was seen from Tampa all the way to the bottom of the state in Miami, Fl (from top to bottom of Florida).....Strange event and even stranger that its subject appears to be glazed over...

Miami, Florida streak enlarged


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/streak_zpsijd1ghcw.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/streak2_zps83zqvtgz.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/streak3_zpscvw0paar.jpg

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/streak4_zpskxk21spr.jpg

[Selkie]

I can't remember where I saw it, but I saw a clip of from someone who filmed it, and there were people in the foreground of the shot who were also filming it. Is it something real? I don't know.

[Zionbrion]

If so there should be ,more graphic material. Where did you get the picture??
Thanks so much CD7
LCrZhK3Tl-I

[Zionbrion]

So far we have no radiation readings. If it was a nuclear explosion the cell phones would have fried.

Why not wait for real confirmation since Ian Greenhalgh who wrote the VT article is a photographer and Jeff Smith is a nobody.

Mike Adams has been disinfo all along.

Dr. Joseph Farrell is still waiting as are others who take this more seriously.

Where do you get that Mika Adams is disinfo? He states it perhaps a space based top secret weapon that is not nuclear. I think the disinfo at VT are the ones claiming it is nuclear, which makes no sense because it would send pff radiation signals and be much more obvious.

If anything I think Adams loves to sensationalize everything but I don't think he is purposefully spreading disinfo, unless of course you can give me some evidence I would be willing to reconsider.

[Hervé]

LCrZhK3Tl-I


... how is that lit up, though?... the same way "noctilucent clouds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noctilucent_cloud)" are visible: illuminated by direct sun light because they are at very high altitude.

Which leads to this:


"We do not need the celestial threat to disguise Cold War intentions; rather we need the Cold War to disguise celestial intentions!"

~ British astronomer Victor Clube, author of The Cosmic Serpent and The Cosmic Winter, in a report commissioned by the U.S. Air Force
... in other words, if and when a meteorite hits a chemical plant and blows it to smithereens, now that the cold war and its missiles are rotting in underground silos... well, then, it's all those terrorists' fault... right?

[yuhui]

just found some ufo watcher pointed out the similarity（source http://www.awaker.cn/93402.html) :

Date: 2010.7.7 around 9pm
Place: CN, Hangzhou, Xiaoshan Airport

You can search on Baidu.com search word: 萧山(meaning:xiaoshan)ufo
The links I add to photo are not working and due to the parade on square I can't use vpn....

This is on someone's blog: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_692ebff30100k95a.html
And recorded on Video: http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/_7-qFZgUzOo/

also someone think it looks like MUOS-4 satelliate
http://www.iufo.wang/event-decryption/244.html

I remembered cigar shaped ufo also appeared at the same day, I wonder since most great world events are accord with celestrial weather and the “true controllers“ of the world used it creatively to tune into the energy field in order to stay in power? Why this is a significant time for the collapses in finance and things are worsen in Syria? Maybe this “ufo” is a signal of cosmic change? Yes I know it sounds crazy…

[betoobig]

Here is another vid
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[betoobig]

I think i am missing a point here... how this relates to the explosions in China. Perhaps this should have its own thread. Thanks for the links Yuhui.
Love...Evol

[avid]

Could this be a hologram?

[Harley]

It was a Atlas V rocket carrying a Navy MUOS (Mobile User Objective System) communications satellite, launched out of Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.



The nearly eight billion dollar constellation of satellites will bring smart-phone like beyond-line-of-sight voice, video and data connectivity to soldiers on the move around the globe. Coverage will also include the north and south poles, areas where other satellite systems were spotty at best. The MUOS waveform also has the ability to penetrate dense foliage, something older UHF systems were less than capable of.

MUOS will be used by everyone from individual soldiers on the ground to aircraft in the air to ships and submarines out to sea. Once fully operational it will offer ten times the bandwidth of military’s current UHF satellite communications system. Each satellite is also equipped to support “legacy” hardware as well as new systems tailor made for MUOS. As a result, the transition in user hardware can be realized gradually over time.

In total, five of the satellites are being delivered by Lockheed Martin, but the fifth unit will be used as an on-orbit spare and will launch in 2016. As such, the constellation will be fully operational once yesterday’s payload comes online and completes testing.

FOXTROT ALPHA (http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/check-out-these-crazy-videos-of-yesterdays-military-com-1728432585)

Here is a comment made on one of the YouTube videos which describes what you're seeing here quite well:

If anyone is interested, this was indeed an Atlas 5 rocket launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. You're seeing the rocket engine's exhaust backlit by the sun as it climbed out of Earth's shadow in the pre-dawn sky. We've seen this before, both in Florida and in California for launches from Vandenberg AFB, but it is rare to get all the right conditions lined up so perfectly. It appears to fly horizontally because getting into orbit is more about speed than altitude. When you see the rocket in this video it's already quite high -- not high enough but on its way -- but is pitched over to gain speed. It appears to be heading down toward the horizon because of Earth's curvature.

Launch of Atlas 5, 9/2/15 0630 over MIA Airspace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9stPShixizc

:focus:

:)

[CD7]

This was pretty random and apparently Noone...nothing wants to talk about it...This thing was seen from Tampa all the way to the bottom of the state in Miami, Fl (from top to bottom of Florida).....Strange event and even stranger that its subject appears to be glazed over...

This, ^^^^, is very weird in light of this,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85022-China-s-covert-war-with-America-heats-up&p=995880&viewfull=1#post995880


Thankyou....very interesting indeed.....I find it amusing you or others haven't seen the pictures or videos...there are Many videos from different angles as well as many pics because many witnessed it in Florida....I heard they were taking them down ..not sure how true tht is but anyone should be able to get over you tube...if any difficulty many fb friends have video I can retrieve if hard to find...it happened Sept 1st or 2nd...lol never mind I see videos above.....

[betoobig]

@Harley... If that´s true how come we´ve never seen anything like this? Too weird, isn´t it. Thanks in advance.
Love

[CD7]

@Harley... If that´s true how come we´ve never seen anything like this? Too weird, isn´t it. Thanks in advance.
Love

YES it's weird for me as they would announce launches from Cape Canaveral so people could witness it....well this TRUMPS a regular challenger take off into space....you would think with the blood moons...Mars being close and all the hype for these events they would have surely announced this...or they did and I'm unaware...but it took many by surprise...

[giovonni]

This was pretty random and apparently Noone...nothing wants to talk about it...This thing was seen from Tampa all the way to the bottom of the state in Miami, Fl (from top to bottom of Florida).....Strange event and even stranger that its subject appears to be glazed over...

This, ^^^^, is very weird in light of this,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85022-China-s-covert-war-with-America-heats-up&p=995880&viewfull=1#post995880


Thankyou....very interesting indeed.....I find it amusing you or others haven't seen the pictures or videos...there are Many videos from different angles as well as many pics because many witnessed it in Florida....I heard they were taking them down ..not sure how true tht is but anyone should be able to get over you tube...if any difficulty many fb friends have video I can retrieve if hard to find...it happened Sept 1st or 2nd...lol never mind I see videos above.....

CD7 ...

Perhaps you should should follow-up check your post/response ... ;)

Noted - posted Sep 2, 2015 - Up at the Ranch and Beyond



WHAT SOMETHIN CLEAR AND VISUAL and crickets on here!!!!!! LOL


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=826078614175063&fref=nf

Thanks for sharing CD7 ...

A very odd and unusual visual ... Perhaps a NASA night launch ...
with Miami being downrange from Cape Canaveral ?

UFO Miami Florida September 01, 2015

UFO From Miami Airport Last Night Was Absolutely Crazy In Florida September 01, 2015

Published on Sep 2, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeV7_3ktcks

:focus:

[CD7]

I know Gio...I'm on a tablet which is not as easy transferring video...data...I could have done tht but didn't feel like the aggravation...But look you posted it!! Lol..Thankyou ! .NOW BACK TO TOPIC...I'm done will leave this one alone :) unless someone hooks me in again WWEEeeeeeeeeeee

[Selkie]

LCrZhK3Tl-I


... how is that lit up, though?... the same way "noctilucent clouds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noctilucent_cloud)" are visible: illuminated by direct sun light because they are at very high altitude.

Which leads to this:


"We do not need the celestial threat to disguise Cold War intentions; rather we need the Cold War to disguise celestial intentions!"

~ British astronomer Victor Clube, author of The Cosmic Serpent and The Cosmic Winter, in a report commissioned by the U.S. Air Force
... in other words, if and when a meteorite hits a chemical plant and blows it to smithereens, now that the cold war and its missiles are rotting in underground silos... well, then, it's all those terrorists' fault... right?

I posted the following somewhere else, but I'll reiterate it here because its relevant, I think.

When I was in Spain, one night JLL and I were out on his upper terrace, watching the sky as we often did. It was after midnight, and the moon had not risen yet. We were looking straight up into the dome of the sky when all of a sudden, over several seconds, several stars flared, and then dimmed and vanished. It looked just like several stars had exploded. The same thing happened at couple of nights later. We were watching the sky, when suddenly several stars flared, and then dimmed and vanished. It looked as if there was a shooting war going on up there. Seriously.

addition It happened in silence. There was no sound, so whatever it was must have been at very high altitude.

[Harley]

@Harley... If that´s true how come we´ve never seen anything like this? Too weird, isn´t it. Thanks in advance.
Love

The explanation was posted HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84452-Massive-explosions-in-Tianjin-and-Shandong-China&p=996198&viewfull=1#post996198). Please read again.

If anyone is interested, this was indeed an Atlas 5 rocket launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. You're seeing the rocket engine's exhaust backlit by the sun as it climbed out of Earth's shadow in the pre-dawn sky. We've seen this before, both in Florida and in California for launches from Vandenberg AFB, but it is rare to get all the right conditions lined up so perfectly. It appears to fly horizontally because getting into orbit is more about speed than altitude. When you see the rocket in this video it's already quite high -- not high enough but on its way -- but is pitched over to gain speed. It appears to be heading down toward the horizon because of Earth's curvature.

In other words before the sun rises above the horizon and it's still dark at ground level, the sun will be shining in all it's glory at very high altitude. When the conditions are just right (angles of reflection/refraction, etc), and since you are on the ground still in darkness, you will see vapors/exhaust that you cannot normally see under full daylight conditions. And sometimes it can be most impressive, as seen in these videos.

People can see good examples of this sometimes just before sunrise or just after sunset in jet contrails or even the planes themselves when they are flying at very high altitudes.

Also we've seen many examples of the same effect in the many photos and videos over the years, most of which were being labeled as UFOs on YouTube, which were nothing more than rocket or missile launches from China, Russia, or USA.


Oh and by the way all. This particular launch WAS ANNOUNCED IN ADVANCE.
If you didn't here about it from CNN or FOX it's only because they were too busy concentrating on their ratings agenda.

:)

[Hervé]

It was a Atlas V rocket carrying a Navy MUOS (Mobile User Objective System) communications satellite, launched out of Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.

[...]

In favor of that argument is the apparent speed across the sky when compared to:


rOoKv2OMpOwBangkok, Thailand, Mon, 07 Sep 2015


Could it be that meteorites have a particular affinity for Chinese chemical plants?

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Another blast reported at chemical plant in eastern China (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/07/us-china-blast-idUSKCN0R711Z20150907)

Ben Blanchard and Dominique Patton, Reuters, (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/07/us-china-blast-idUSKCN0R711Z20150907)Mon, 07 Sep 2015 13:27 UTC


http://www.sott.net/image/s13/265593/large/ChinaBlast3_0.png (http://www.sott.net/image/s13/265593/full/ChinaBlast3_0.png)


An explosion shook a chemical plant in the Chinese province of Zhejiang, state media said on Monday, though there were no immediate reports of casualties in a country on edge after blasts killed more than 160 people last month.

The blast caused a fire and thick smoke to bellow from the plant in Lishui city shortly before midnight, state radio said on its official Weibo microblog.

Firefighters were on the scene and there were no immediate reports of casualties.

[...]

Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/301237-Another-blast-reported-at-chemical-plant-in-eastern-China



http://www.sott.net/image/s13/265557/full/Lavoisier_1768.jpg

[KiwiElf]

Yes, now confirmed, an additional 4th explosion in Zhejiang, China at another chemical factory. Not a bleep yet in the MSM (and what's really curious; why is China being so quiet about this??)

[idiit]

US President Barack Obama has vowed to take retaliatory actions against China in response to its alleged cyber attacks against American targets.

https://jhaines6a.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/presstv-obama-threatens-china-with-retaliatory-actions-over-cyber-attacks/

lets see how many wars the usa can fight at 1 time!

Russia, China, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, ..... ah hell! who's counting?

give that man another nobel peace prize! oo-rah!

[idiit]

TWO NEW STORIES RE TIANJIN RELATED MATERIAL.


ANOTHER CHINA EXPLOSION.


The Start Of China's Unrest? Southern China City Rocked By "Massive" Bomb Explosions, At Least 6 Dead
09/30/2015 07:52

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-30/start-chinas-unrest-southern-china-city-rocked-massive-bomb-explosions-3-dead

SECOND STORY:

jim willie at the very beginning of his latest interview goes into some excellent analysis tying volkswagon's latest problems including Tianjin and now vw emission control issues re software back to the Zionists. remember it was 3,000 vw's incinerated at Tianjin iirc. really excellent commentary imo. jim willie is fantastic.


09.28.2015: Jim Willie on Volkswagen Scandal, Middle East Turmoil, King Dollar death & More


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5FlNjTtprE

vw discussion re china Tianjin's vw starts at 2:50 and lasts for a while.

[Rocky_Shorz]

We have a thread here on anti matter burst created by chemtrails clouds. From the bottom they are known as punch holes, but those are created by a release of anti-matter.

This was at a time they were using Thorium in the mixture.

Massive fish and bird deaths were reported at the time.

When I get back to my computer I will try and locate the thread.
Perhaps one of these:

Avalon - The gathering of 33 Bloodlines... (Post #34, 13 Jan 2011) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10845-Avalon-The-gathering-of-33-Bloodlines...&p=96352&viewfull=1#post96352)
Advanced AI is taking questions(the machine possibly...) (Post #75, 2 Mar 2011) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15467-Advanced-AI-is-taking-questions-the-machine-possibly...-&p=163059&viewfull=1#post163059)
Chemtrails: Fact, Or New Age Myth? (Post #82, 11 July 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60948-Chemtrails-Fact-Or-New-Age-Myth&p=700851&viewfull=1#post700851)
Chemtrails: Fact, Or New Age Myth? (Post #158, 19 Nov 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60948-Chemtrails-Fact-Or-New-Age-Myth&p=760241&viewfull=1#post760241)
Please report psychic attacks here (Post #316, 25 Nov 2013) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55024-Psychic-attacks-solutions-comments-and-advice&p=763008&viewfull=1#post763008)
Secret Chemtrail Pilot Speaks (the INDIGO SKYFOLD story) - Dec 8, 2014 (Post #35, 19 Dec 2014) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78003-Secret-Chemtrail-Pilot-Speaks--the-INDIGO-SKYFOLD-story--Dec-8-2014&p=914226&viewfull=1#post914226)


found it, birds falling from the sky thread...


I'm not sure if you saw this...


Antimatter caught streaming from thunderstorms on Earth

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50740000/jpg/_50740469_50740468.jpg


A space telescope has accidentally spotted thunderstorms on Earth producing beams of antimatter.

Such storms have long been known to give rise to fleeting sparks of light called terrestrial gamma-ray flashes.

But results from the Fermi telescope show they also give out streams of electrons and their antimatter counterparts, positrons.

The surprise result was presented by researchers at the American Astronomical Society meeting in the US.

It deepens a mystery about terrestrial gamma-ray flashes, or TGFs - sparks of light that are estimated to occur 500 times a day in thunderstorms on Earth. They are a complex interplay of light and matter whose origin is poorly understood.

Thunderstorms are known to create tremendously high electric fields - evidenced by lightning strikes.

Electrons in storm regions are accelerated by the fields, reaching speeds near that of light and emitting high-energy light rays - gamma rays - as they are deflected by atoms and molecules they encounter.

These flashes are intense - for a thousandth of a second, they can produce as many charged particles from one flash as are passing through the entire Earth's atmosphere from all other processes.

story link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12158718)

are they using Thorium to produce clouds?

The release produced a Punch hole in the cloud? What if you were a bird flying below this energy release?

what happens when the release is downward? or isn't that possible?

We have punch hole clouds over San Diego Togo....