Simon Parkes says: Blue Avians? NO!

[Callista]

Here is a recent interview conducted by Ethann Fox with Simon Parkes. For those who have listened to Simon before, much of the interview will simply build on that knowledge.

Interestingly, Ethann asks Simon about the Blue Avians and the answer starts at the 1 hour 54 minute mark:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8tZC9YDm5Q

Enjoy!

much love
Callista

[idiit]

^^simon makes valid points re false memories imo.

harald kautz in his videos explains how the false memories are in fact formed in ppl.

coorey and wilcock readily admit that they need independent confirmation from other whistleblowers re the blue avian/ssp stuff.

Alfred Webre ( simon parke's cited aw in his blue avian comments) and tolec from Andromeda council have distanced themselves for now from the blue avian/ssp information.

lilly ( a member of a group discussion on ai at the following linked video) states starting at the 1:30 marked beginning of her 8 minutes of initial intro and comments that from her reading of earth's akashic records and/or her direct communication with gaia that the blue avians are ai controlled. kautz has affirmed that members of his group have established direct communication lines with gaia in one of his 4 black goo videos. kautz has not yet affirmed to my knowledge that the blue avians are ai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50kE55EvRw8

there is no valid independent confirmation from trusted sources that the blue avians are as corey reports.

corey is self admittedly a milab trauma victim.

corey has obviously damaged his believability factor with many members here at projectavalon.

there are a lot of ad hominen attacks against corey here at projectavalon; perhaps very much deserved by the posts here.

I still have an open minded, wait and see attitude. most here have apparently seen enough.

[Hervé]

Re-post from here:
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Memories... true... false/screen... and invented/induced (dubbed-in):


People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150115102835.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28Latest+Science+News+--+ScienceDaily%29)

Date: January 15, 2015
Source:Association for Psychological Science


Summary:


Innocent adult participants can be convinced, over the course of a few hours, that they had perpetrated crimes as serious as assault with a weapon in their teenage years. This research indicates that the participants came to internalize the stories they were told, providing rich and detailed descriptions of events that never actually took place.

http://www.sott.net/image/s12/255342/medium/brain_computer.jpg


"Our findings show that false memories of committing crime with police contact can be surprisingly easy to generate, and can have all the same kinds of complex details as real memories," says psychological scientist and lead researcher Julia Shaw of the University of Bedfordshire in the UK.

Evidence from some wrongful-conviction cases suggests that suspects can be questioned in ways that lead them to falsely believe in and confess to committing crimes they didn't actually commit. New research provides lab-based evidence for this phenomenon, showing that innocent adult participants can be convinced, over the course of a few hours, that they had perpetrated crimes as serious as assault with a weapon in their teenage years.

The research, published in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, indicates that the participants came to internalize the stories they were told, providing rich and detailed descriptions of events that never actually took place.


"Our findings show that false memories of committing crime with police contact can be surprisingly easy to generate, and can have all the same kinds of complex details as real memories," says psychological scientist and lead researcher Julia Shaw of the University of Bedfordshire in the UK.

"All participants need to generate a richly detailed false memory is 3 hours in a friendly interview environment, where the interviewer introduces a few wrong details and uses poor memory-retrieval techniques." Shaw and co-author Stephen Porter of the University of British Columbia in Canada obtained permission to contact the primary caregivers of university students participating in the study. The caregivers were asked to fill out a questionnaire about specific events the students might have experienced from ages 11 to 14, providing as much detail as possible. The caregivers were instructed not to discuss the questions with the student.

The researchers identified a total of 60 students who had not been involved in any of the crimes designated as false memory targets in the study and who otherwise met the study criteria. These students were brought to the lab for three 40-minute interviews that took place about a week apart.

In the first interview, the researcher told the student about two events he or she had experienced as a teen, only one of which actually happened. For some, the false event related to a crime that resulted in contact with the police (assault, assault with a weapon, or theft). For others, the false event was emotional in nature, such as personal injury, attack by a dog, or loss of a huge sum of money.

Importantly, the false event stories included some true details about that time in the student's life, taken from the caregiver questionnaire.

Participants were asked to explain what happened in each of the two events. When they had difficulty explaining the false event, the interviewer encouraged them to try anyway, explaining that if they used specific memory strategies they might be able to recall more details.

In the second and third interviews, the researchers again asked the students to recall as much as they could about both the true and false event. The students also described certain features of each memory, such as how vivid it was and how confident they were about it.

The results were truly surprising.

Of the 30 participants who were told they had committed a crime as a teenager, 21 (71%) were classified as having developed a false memory of the crime; of the 20 who were told about an assault of some kind (with or without a weapon), 11 reported elaborate false memory details of their exact dealings with the police.

A similar proportion of students (76.67%) formed false memories of the emotional event they were told about.

Intriguingly, the criminal false events seemed to be just as believable as the emotional ones. Students tended to provide the same number of details, and reported similar levels of confidence, vividness, and sensory detail for the two types of event.

Shaw and Porter speculate that incorporating true details, such as the name of an actual friend, into an account that was supposedly corroborated by the student's caregiver likely endowed the false event with just enough familiarity that it came to seem plausible.

"In such circumstances, inherently fallible and reconstructive memory processes can quite readily generate false recollections with astonishing realism," says Shaw. "In these sessions we had some participants recalling incredibly vivid details and re-enacting crimes they never committed."

There were, however, some differences between the students' memories for false events and their memories for true events. For example, they reported more details for true events and they reported more confidence in their descriptions of the true memories.

The fact that the students appeared to internalize the false events to the extent that they did, highlights the fundamental malleability of memory:

"This research speaks to the distinct possibility that most of us are likely able to generate rich false memories of emotional and criminal events," says Shaw.

The findings have clear implications for criminal interrogation and other aspects of legal procedure, affecting suspects, witnesses, and those involved in both law enforcement and legal counsel. But they may also apply to interviews that take place in various other contexts, including therapeutic or even personal settings.


"Understanding that these complex false memories exist, and that 'normal' individuals can be led to generate them quite easily, is the first step in preventing them from happening," says Shaw. "By empirically demonstrating the harm 'bad' interview techniques -- those which are known to cause false memories -- can cause, we can more readily convince interviewers to avoid them and to use 'good' techniques instead." Investigating the specific characteristics of interviewers and interview tactics that contribute to false memories can help improve interviewing procedure and minimize the risk of inducing false memories, the researchers conclude.

Story Source:
The above story is based on materials (http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/people-can-be-convinced-they-committed-a-crime-they-dont-remember.html?utm_source=pressrelease&utm_medium=eureka&utm_campaign=falsememorycrime) provided by Association for Psychological Science (http://www.psychologicalscience.org). Note: Materials may be edited for content and length.

Journal Reference:



J. Shaw, S. Porter. Constructing Rich False Memories of Committing Crime. Psychological Science, 2015; DOI: 10.1177/0956797614562862 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/0956797614562862)

[Truglivartna]

Re-post from here:
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Memories... true... false/screen... and invented/induced (dubbed-in):

People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150115102835.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28Latest+Science+News+--+ScienceDaily%29)

Date: January 15, 2015
Source:Association for Psychological Science


Summary:


Innocent adult participants can be convinced, over the course of a few hours, that they had perpetrated crimes as serious as assault with a weapon in their teenage years. This research indicates that the participants came to internalize the stories they were told, providing rich and detailed descriptions of events that never actually took place.
[...]


If you listen to the interview with Simon, he does not even imply the message presented here in this thread, ie Blue Avians? No! What he does say is that he simply is not aware of the Blue Avians as an ET race. That is a totally different ball game than the statement made in the thread.

[Hervé]

Imagine... that if someone can come out of a non-leading/suggestive interview believing they committed a crime with police intervention that never happened... what of Corey's stories...

[Meggings]

Thank you, Herve, for sharing this important information. This is how we are brain-washed by media into accepting untruths. This is how we come to think of ourselves as limited and weak, and not as powerful and strong. This is how verbal abuse occurs within relationships.

When we SEE and UNDERSTAND this mechanism, we can be alert and aware to manipulation. This study gives us vastly important and far-reaching insights into ourselves. I hope many read your post and contemplate it.


participants came to internalize the stories they were told


Importantly, the false event stories included some true details


Participants were asked to explain what happened in each of the two events. When they had difficulty explaining the false event, the interviewer encouraged them to try anyway


memory processes can quite readily generate false recollections with astonishing realism


'normal' individuals can be led to generate them quite easily


that [they] appear to internalize the false events...highlights the fundamental malleability of memory

[Callista]

Re-post from here:
...

Memories... true... false/screen... and invented/induced (dubbed-in):

People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150115102835.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28Latest+Science+News+--+ScienceDaily%29)

Date: January 15, 2015
Source:Association for Psychological Science


Summary:


Innocent adult participants can be convinced, over the course of a few hours, that they had perpetrated crimes as serious as assault with a weapon in their teenage years. This research indicates that the participants came to internalize the stories they were told, providing rich and detailed descriptions of events that never actually took place.
[...]


If you listen to the interview with Simon, he does not even imply the message presented here in this thread, ie Blue Avians? No! What he does say is that he simply is not aware of the Blue Avians as an ET race. That is a totally different ball game than the statement made in the thread.

If you listen at 1:56:33 :)

[Agape]

Imagine... that if someone can come out of a non-leading/suggestive interview believing they committed a crime with police intervention that never happened... what of Corey's stories...

On side note Herve :

psychologists happen to be one of the most 'illusion affected' part of populace , quite a bit like magicians because they're always in the 'front' of the 'mind theory' ( at least so they're told and convinced at school ) and officially 'permitted' to analyse and stamp peoples thinking , feelings and behaviour .
Like many other professionals they're often affected by the 'disease' they treat . Convictions about 'mind' and 'mind functions' can be one of them ,
and more .. once they're involved in testing of this kind : a 'mind game' really,

they're vulnerable to their own 'certainty bias' there as well .

In extreme ( meant in jest ) you might ask , do they really remember conducting this study and did they :ROFL:

Was it a good one and who says ( :ROFL: )

I don't mean to sound ridiculous here .. it's rather serious . The imprints of the experiment will stay in the teenagers mind till the end of their life
no matter they're told later it was just a false memory experiment .

It's a bit like raping their mind with their own ( innocent ) consent .

But once you get convinced ( give mental consent ) to someone telling you things about you that you actually don't remember ( Fact 0-1, for start, they had zero memory of committing a crime at the beginning ) you're prone to all sorts of mental manipulation and disease .

I'd object this is conclusive study altogether and I've noticed couple of them popping up this spring , on screen memories .

In my own opinion, the trend now is to 'demoralise' human mind from deep within, shatter the roots that had been already withered many times or show at least 'they can' .It's a scientific trend ( so called ) , similar to the assertion that human being really is not more than an animal whose moral sense is questionable under most circumstances .

It's popular with some people ..but not everyone, even in science will ever agree to it.

And that's just it . No matter whether you're child or an adult ,

there's small percentage of populace who are pathological liars and bigger one who have weak ( developing ) moral grounds .
There are people on both sides of the Gauss scale in all matters, such as memory, IQ or EQ .
Your analytical logical intelligence , emotional state and experience and factual memory function , all play a role here .

But no way all ( maybe not even a majority ) can be convinced of something they never experienced .



The thing is ... our statements here are about as 'reliable' as the other , whether it concerns Simon, Corey or I .

Your opinion is being evolved by good media looks , number of great interviews and signs of success ,
that much for our vulnerability in common....




:cocktail:

[TrumanCash]

IMO, I am a bit suspicious of that false memory psychological experiment. I do not think that many people are that gullible when it comes to their own conscious memories. It might be interesting to examine the details of the experiment but it does appear that it was a leading/suggestive interview, otherwise why would anyone--even a gullible college student--fabricate a false memory if not somehow lead to do it. This does not make sense to me.

However, MK Ultra-style mind control--the kind that black ops, secret government projects, CIA, etc, employs--uses unconsciousness to implant false memories in the subject, not fabricating false memories consciously.

After having met three individuals who were programmed while in an unconscious state using MK Ultra-style techniques, it is not a stretch for me to understand that individuals in a "secret space program" would be routinely mind controlled. Others in the ET/UFO field have reported being hypnotized or otherwise brainwashed, threatened at gunpoint and/or received threats to kill their families. This seems to be routine procedure. I myself was threatened to keep my mouth shut in a deep underground military/Grays base. Some people (like me) are not so easily programmed or silenced. LOL!

QUESTION AUTHORITY!

TLC

[Hervé]

IMO, I am a bit suspicious of that false memory psychological experiment. I do not think that many people are that gullible when it comes to their own conscious memories. [...]

In other terminologies, it's called "Dub-in"... and I agree, it's a conundrum to distinguish a real memory from a dubbed-in one.


why would anyone--even a gullible college student--fabricate a false memory if not somehow lead to do it.... if they are already a run-of-the-mill student who's already in an hypnotic trance state... and just told a story... they make that story very real just by the questioning. Just like that toilet which needs flushing (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59804-My-Almost-Zero-Success-At-Awakening-People-Advice-Needed&p=683950&viewfull=1#post683950) because... well... just: BECAUSE!

[Shantsai]

If you read this carefully, you will see that the summary does not correspond to the story below it. The story says that students could remember details of narratives they knew to be false, and that these false memories could be classified as true according to a classification system which is not disclosed in this article. The article NEVER SAYS that the subjects believed the false narratives to be true. The researcher is quoted as following: 'This research speaks to the distinct possibility that most of us are likely able to generate rich false memories of emotional and criminal events," says Shaw.' However, this is very, very much different from what the summary claims, which is that the research subjects believed that they had committed crimes.

The summary is a distortion of what the research actually established, which was simply that people could remember false narratives as well as true ones.

Perhaps false memories can be induced, but I don't think this particular paper describes how it is done, and I think it's deceptive to have a summary that's different than the contents of the paper. I think this study was probably funded by "False Memory Syndrome" type pedophile protectors.

[Bill Ryan]

However, MK Ultra-style mind control--the kind that black ops, secret government projects, CIA, etc, employs--uses unconsciousness to implant false memories in the subject, not fabricating false memories consciously.

After having met three individuals who were programmed while in an unconscious state using MK Ultra-style techniques, it is not a stretch for me to understand that individuals in a "secret space program" would be routinely mind controlled.

Area 51 whistleblower Bob Lazar famously left his job there after realizing that he'd arrived back at Las Vegas on the regular evening shuttle flight from the base — and couldn't remember a thing about what he'd done that day. He went straight round to John Lear's house, and told him what had happened. The rest is history, as they say.

Also famously, none of the Apollo astronauts can actually remember being on the moon. It's all a blank. Even Edgar Mitchell has admitted this.

If memories can be overlaid with a 'blank' (which is how it works... like placing a blank sheet of paper over something with writing on it, so that the original can no longer be seen) — they can also be overlaid with a SUBSTITUTE. This is very old, fairly simple technology (even stage hypnotists can do this!), and it's been in place since the early 1950s or very probably long before.

[Hervé]

[...]
... people could remember false narratives as well as true ones.

The key word: "remember"!

[Billy]

If you listen to the interview with Simon, he does not even imply the message presented here in this thread, ie Blue Avians? No! What he does say is that he simply is not aware of the Blue Avians as an ET race. That is a totally different ball game than the statement made in the thread.

After i listened to Simon at the 1.56.33 mark. What he actually says after mentioning implanted memories, and how one could pass a lie detector test with implanted memories is. Blue Avian's "Never" Meaning, at no time; not ever; certainly not; never has been, is not now and never will be. I think that is a :nono: Then he finished with "I've got no knowledge of them"

[kirolak]

I am horrified, the Apollo astronauts CAN NOT REMEMBER being on the moon? I do not mean to chalenge anyone, but is there a link/proof of this?? Please do not be offended!

[Elainie]

I do not believe in Corey Goode's tales- however this woman claims to have contact with big blue bird race. I have her book (have not read it yet) but this is way before Corey even heard the word UFO (LOL).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwAl3vm8GT0

[Elainie]

Forgot to mention she is also into the bible/Jesus etc; http://www.thelightside.org/EARSite/ears.html

Perhaps (keeping my mind open here) there are certain people that are heavily into the bible that are being targeted by blue bird contacts- whether real or projected/mind control.

[Wide-Eyed]

In the video posted in forum under thread I think(I forget!) " 11/2 Bob Lazar interview at 2015. Int ufo conf." he says he left job at 51 for reasons his wife was having an affair and his phones were tapped with consent and that they (Lazar's group)were caught viewing Weds night flights of advanced craft. Not sure the mark in the interview with George Knapp that Lazar states reason for leaving Area 51 and job there.

[Star Tsar]

I am horrified, the Apollo astronauts CAN NOT REMEMBER being on the moon? I do not mean to chalenge anyone, but is there a link/proof of this?? Please do not be offended!

A good ole brainwashing will do that to ya!
I believe it was Neil Armstrong at the press conference after their "return to earth" he is asked a question (which I dont remember right now) and his answer is I cannot remember!
:handshake:

[Agape]

If you listen to the interview with Simon, he does not even imply the message presented here in this thread, ie Blue Avians? No! What he does say is that he simply is not aware of the Blue Avians as an ET race. That is a totally different ball game than the statement made in the thread.

After i listened to Simon at the 1.56.33 mark. What he actually says after mentioning implanted memories, and how one could pass a lie detector test with implanted memories is. Blue Avian's "Never" Meaning, at no time; not ever; certainly not; never has been, is not now and never will be. I think that is a :nono: Then he finished with "I've got no knowledge of them"



Ok I will say something here in open , I've already hinted couple of times , mostly in private but it's no way intended to defame Simon or compare him to Corey

( they are each on very different floor where credibility is concerned , perhaps .. entirely different buildings too ).

But I will say this much . Where from do you think Simon got the term "Mantids'' , in this specific context .
It's a term that's been widely used and popularised on internet , together with other peoples claims of 'insectoid ETs' or their close resemblance to such .

Further on, Simons 'career' in the disclosure field fired off after several successful regression sessions with Joanne Summerscales who was later parted with .. in socially not well acceptable manner ( if i may ) ,
but obviously ... her sessions were still 'precious' and source of 'warrantied memories' .


I've practised regression therapy with some of my meditation students who were so curious about it and trusted my guidance .. that was far beyond the concept of such regressions itself .
I was not a proponent of such .. for many reasons, unless those were somehow solicited ..and all of my students were well informed ,
on the topic of false memories and it was my assertion to them that mind is creative and 99% of things people recall during such sessions are work of imagination.

This is different with 'abduction cases' , in particular as it would be with Apollo astronauts if they wanted the flash of acute memory that can be achieved through such regression .
But while you are in such subliminal state there's always 'more' coming out .

It's fairly difficult to filter or say 'capture' the fluid of your intelligence and imagination there .

Regression therapy does not really equal medical hypnosis . Not all people can be hypnotised , either . Even then ..

What I wanted to say originally is yes I trust Simon on matters /experiences I think, we share in common ..
but I've seen deeper so I also know where he's not right . The term Mantids for example and them being 'insectoids' ( biologically ) is completely fabricated by some and borrowed by others.

The entities are humanoid : not human looking really but they're frail , of very frail built compared to human being .


The same misclassification occurs with so called 'reptilians' washed on all alternative media and them being egg born and having similar reproduction cycle to reptiles , ability to shape shift etc.
They share certain characteristics that remind you ( your brain : to be accurate ) of reptiles and so it ( your brain ) creates an image of reptilian looking entity ,
or a giant insect .
Brain re-assembles what you see using certain archetypal imagery convenient and learned by you earlier . Unless you are familiar with these beings and study them for long time ( in vivo so to say ) it's what you see,
your own ideas and imaginations. Little kids see hooded figures or ghosts , sometimes .
The imagery is really manifold .

Pity that the 'ufology research' really stopped at certain mile stones vis above and people keep passing their imaginations around as if they were real .


Maybe it sells well, I don't know . Sounds trustable because 'many other people think so too'.



:raining:



Oh by the way , the same is valid for the term ''Blue Avians'' . It's another name for space beings of unknown origin, at this time ( where it concerns 'conscious and pronounced' humanity ) .
Of course they're real . And you can see them in many forms, it really depends a lot on your visualisation ability and specific imagery already stored in your memories .
But don't think for a moment that the name somehow describes who they are .

I know.. I forgot to say that.

[Finefeather]

This is very old, fairly simple technology (even stage hypnotists can do this!), and it's been in place since the early 1950s or very probably long before.
Yes Bill this is indeed a fact...but it even goes a lot further because we can see this in people doing this to themselves by substituting events which never took place...and even conveniently forgetting things for their own reasons.

I have experienced a few people in my life that relate stories that never took place...despite them been very convinced that they did...and despite us knowing it did not….children are very prone to do this regularly as they discover the world.

Also, you can see this same idea when you visit the test of letting a number of people recall and present the same experience...there are often quite extreme differences which relates to the way each person's consciousness perceives the reality of the experience...

So we can see clearly where the old truth that 'we create our own reality' comes from... and whilst we are busy in our individual world which we create...the real reality just goes on normally...this also takes place in collectives or groups, like religion etc...their idealism and moralism becomes part of their reality...they become mind controlled by their belief.

There are a number of reasons why this happens...the most obvious and general been emotional or mental hangups…be it fear...or greed...or ego...or power...or just plain low self esteem...or simply a lie...etc.

In all forms of influence/mind control there is always the external source...doing the manipulation...and the inner mind of the subject been influences or controlled...and so depending on the consciousness level or wisdom of the person been influenced...so much will the success of the controller be.

The more advanced we become the less effect does 'unreality' have on the consciousness, because true reality becomes more easily realised.

There are people you just cannot hypnotize or mind control.

Take care
Ray

[Sunny-side-up]

I know that djinn are real entities!
I believe with all my heart that they exist to the best of my experience!
Simon himself confirmed after hearing my visual description of said entity which I encountered, and the description of the event that he thinks i did come face to face with a djinn!

Now this post and the subject, the subject of a 'Blue Avians' dose to me come over as a Phyop, mind-messiness, the whole subject of 'ET's', ED's etc,etc well which are real?
I believe some are but which?

The djinn are shape-sifter masters, master of illusion, master of mind control, masters of all that we think is our reality!

The djinn have us split and running around in ever decreasing and expanding circles Doh!
They have a great sense of humor ha! and are having i big laugh at our expense!
They have a great sense of humor, most of it being very much Black-humor though :(

I believe some ET's/ED's etc, etc are real but which?

You just have to use discernment and or take the plunge if the option arises :)

From Bill

If memories can be overlaid with a 'blank' (which is how it works... like placing a blank sheet of paper over something with writing on it, so that the original can no longer be seen) — they can also be overlaid with a SUBSTITUTE. This is very old, fairly simple technology (even stage hypnotists can do this!), and it's been in place since the early 1950s or very probably long before.

Yes we can do it and the djinn are masters of it. I have had Sightings and I have lost time events, found myself home without the walk etc? what is real :(

[Billy]

I attempt to keep my choices simple.

I choose to not believe anything Corey says.
I choose to not believe everything Simon says.

I do believe in time everything will come out in the wash. I am in no rush as by their fruits you shall know them. What goes around, comes around, Be careful not to become attached by feeding the beast.
Your love for humanity and Mother earth is what is important at this time. Continue seeking the truth, but not with confusion or anger in your hearts. It is the power of your love that brings into the light the deceptions and sets the truth free.

My thoughts.

:bowing:

[Bill Ryan]

I am horrified, the Apollo astronauts CAN NOT REMEMBER being on the moon? I do not mean to chalenge anyone, but is there a link/proof of this?? Please do not be offended!


Not offended at all! :) And you're right to be horrified. I've heard this from various sources over the years.

The most recent account was from Jay Weidner, on Art Bell's radio show on 4 August 2015 (just 10 days ago).

This audio clip is HIGHLY recommended listening, concerning the astronauts' loss of memory. The person talking first is Stanton Friedman, who was also a guest on the show:

http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_on_Art_Bell_4_August_2015_Apollo_astronauts_lost_memories.mp3 (3 mins 20 seconds, 4 Mb)

Summary: Stanton Friedman asks whether Jay Weidner thinks the Apollo astronauts were lying. Weidner replies by saying:


Buzz Aldrin, in a Las Vegas conference a year after returning from the moon (20 July 1970, the anniversary), was asked by a reporter "what it was really like on the moon". Aldrin immediately felt so nauseous, and suddenly had such a gigantic headache, that he could not speak, started shaking uncontrollably, and his wife had to help him leave the room. This is documented in Buzz Aldrin's own autobiography (http://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Moon-Buzz-Aldrin/dp/0060554479). Weidner compares that to a scene in Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066921), when apparently similar brainwashing methods were depicted in the film.



Weidner then describes how he was told by a good personal friend, a very well-known professional hypnotherapist called Dr Robert Masters, that Edgar Mitchell had come to him asking to be hypnotized — because he "could not remember anything about the moon". Masters did indeed hypnotise him, but despite that, Mitchell STILL could not remember anything.



Art Bell then confirms this, from an earlier radio show when Mitchell had told Bell on air that he could not remember much about the moon. Bell said that had "stopped him cold".



Finally in this fascinating short clip, Weidner refers to the post-Apollo 11 press conference when all three astronauts were "looking as if their dog just died" (he stated this in an earlier segment of the program, not in this particular clip). He describes them as joyless and somber, with Neil Armstrong looking down most of the time... he recommends (as do I!) that people should actually watch this again. (It's here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_ZehPOMwI) on Youtube.)



Again — please do listen: http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_on_Art_Bell_4_August_2015_Apollo_astronauts_lost_memories.mp3

[Star Tsar]

I am horrified, the Apollo astronauts CAN NOT REMEMBER being on the moon? I do not mean to chalenge anyone, but is there a link/proof of this?? Please do not be offended!

A good ole brainwashing will do that to ya!
I believe it was Neil Armstrong at the press conference after their "return to earth" he is asked a question (which I dont remember right now) and his answer is I cannot remember!
:handshake:

Ah right to be more precise the late great Patrick Moore asked about seeing stars and Neil answers with only being able to see through the optics and goes on to say he does not recall seeing stars and then Micheal Colins says he does not remember seeing any stars at all then Armstrong gives him a gentle STFU elbow!
So I guess I have to redact my brainwashin comment...

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[mojo]

Bonnie Meyer a contactee in the 70s claims meeting the Captain of a large UFO craft that had a bird-like appearance , he was blue, tall 6 foot bi-pedal and bird like. The Blue Avians are not a recent phenomenon from the Corey GoodET testimony. Ancient petroglyphs depict bird like men and indigenous tribes of America have spoken about them. The Sargent Clifford Stone testimony mentions over 50 species identified from the U.S. crash retrieval program in the 70s.
Most agree there is a variety of life in the cosmos so we can't discount having bird-like ones.

In regards to the astronauts being mind controlled that sounds more scary. If tptb did that to them did the astronauts like Neil Armstrong go willingly along with the mind control program? Maybe what he found out on the moon visits was more frightening to him, that some astronauts viewed being brainwashed as better then knowing?

[Agape]

I am horrified, the Apollo astronauts CAN NOT REMEMBER being on the moon? I do not mean to chalenge anyone, but is there a link/proof of this?? Please do not be offended!


Not offended at all! :) And you're right to be horrified. I've heard this from various sources over the years.

The most recent account was from Jay Weidner, on Art Bell's radio show on 4 August 2015 (just 10 days ago).

This audio clip is HIGHLY recommended listening, concerning the astronauts' loss of memory. The person talking first is Stanton Friedman, who was also a guest on the show:

http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_on_Art_Bell_4_August_2015_Apollo_astronauts_lost_memories.mp3 (3 mins 20 seconds, 4 Mb)

Summary: Stanton Friedman asks whether Jay Weidner thinks the Apollo astronauts were lying. Weidner replies by saying:


Buzz Aldrin, in a Las Vegas conference a year after returning from the moon (20 July 1970, the anniversary), was asked by a reporter "what it was really like on the moon". Aldrin immediately felt so nauseous, and suddenly had such a gigantic headache, that he could not speak, started shaking uncontrollably, and his wife had to help him leave the room. This is documented in Buzz Aldrin's own autobiography (http://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Moon-Buzz-Aldrin/dp/0060554479). Weidner compares that to a scene in Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066921), when apparently similar brainwashing methods were depicted in the film.



Weidner then describes how he was told by a good personal friend, a very well-known professional hypnotherapist called Dr Robert Masters, that Edgar Mitchell had come to him asking to be hypnotized — because he "could not remember anything about the moon". Masters did indeed hypnotise him, but despite that, Mitchell STILL could not remember anything.



Art Bell then confirms this, from an earlier radio show when Mitchell had told Bell on air that he could not remember much about the moon. Bell said that had "stopped him cold".



Finally in this fascinating short clip, Weidner refers to the post-Apollo 11 press conference when all three astronauts were "looking as if their dog just died" (he stated this in an earlier segment of the program, not in this particular clip). He describes them as joyless and somber, with Neil Armstrong looking down most of the time... he recommends (as do I!) that people should actually watch this again. (It's here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_ZehPOMwI) on Youtube.)



Again — please do listen: http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_on_Art_Bell_4_August_2015_Apollo_astronauts_lost_memories.mp3




He may have ( probably ) suffered from brain hypoxia , I'd consider that option real . Of course , for physically and mentally untrained person this can result in collapse to the ground
but if you're trained you keep walking . Pilots or mountaineers who access high altitudes frequently suffer from hypoxia and of course it can mean certain death if such a state lasts for more than few minutes,

depending on change in gravity , pressure, temperatures , can happen to you in hot shower ( when steam can't exit the room ) and there's not enough free oxygen in the air anymore .

They had enough oxygen yet , they've been through extreme change of pressures .

You literally lose consciousness : and have either 'heightened sense of perception' ( sometimes as if looking at yourself from outside , what people describe as OBE ) or blank consciousness to extreme .


For the rest .. I'm sure they remember some if not most of it but the beginning too feels 'blank' to me .




:star:

[Matthew]

Glad to hear Simons opinion about the blue avian stuff. Vatican connection is interesting.

My fav. of the moon landers, Buzz Aldrin was saying everyone should look at the monolith on Mars' moon Phobos and we should go there and look closer

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edit: I guess there is a vauge Mars connection to the thread. But I just love Buzz for this stuff

[WhiteFeather]

I attempt to keep my choices simple.

I choose to not believe anything Corey says.
I choose to not believe everything Simon says.

I do believe in time everything will come out in the wash. I am in no rush as by their fruits you shall know them. What goes around, comes around, Be careful not to become attached by feeding the beast.
Your love for humanity and Mother earth is what is important at this time. Continue seeking the truth, but not with confusion or anger in your hearts. It is the power of your love that brings into the light the deceptions and sets the truth free.

My thoughts.

:bowing:

Ditto to that post Billy. Yep I feel the same way. Not resonating well with the Corey info and his latest tag team partner, who i had admired for some time in D.W.

[Savannah]

Simon talks about treating Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) and creating that disorder in people seems to be a tactic that was popular in creating Millabs/ super solders etc. It was asserted by another (I forgot who) that AI and clones are easier than creating super soldiers and becoming the preferred method. I specialize in trauma therapy and have treated many cases of DID. DID does not develop in a person unless they are very young when exposed to the severe trauma. Technically, it is not that they don’t remember an event, it is that another personality doesn’t remember the event. With DID a person develops separate personalities, called alters. When one alter is in control of the body that alter remembers their day just like anyone else, but if another alter takes over the body their awareness stops, like going to sleep. The alter who is in control is now making his/her own memories. So someone with DID remembers everything, but the memories are held by separate alter parts. What Bill is referring to sounds more like AI or their using tech to wipe memories.

[Savannah]

I also wanted to comment about false memories. Much of the accusations about false memories were started in response to therapists who treated DID and used hypnosis to get the alters to present in session. Since DID is the result of trauma, adults began to recall severe sadistic sexual and physical abuse that resulted in parents being accused in courts and that’s why false memories made headlines. Therapists were accused of planting the memories. Since that time, late 70s therapist try not to/don’t use hypnosis and as predicted they get the same results. DID is a very interesting diagnosis and very controversial Dx. Many clinician’s say they don’t believe in it and say if it exists it is so rare they have not had a patient with that Dx. Being the good conspiracy theorist (paranoid for short) I can’t help but think this has been deliberately created in my profession. Clinicians have NO training in it and texts just give few lines to it and there is no info about treating it at the graduate level. Once you learn the basic it’s very easy to diagnosis and understand the personality structure. So again, I wonder if hey didn’t want us to discover and treat these people. Secondly the idea that a person can hold completely separate identities and memories hints at realty other than the black/white one they want us to buy into and that that’s enough reason to deny it exists.

[Hervé]

[...]
... So again, I wonder if hey didn’t want us to discover and treat these people. Secondly the idea that a person can hold completely separate identities and memories hints at realty other than the black/white one they want us to buy into and that that’s enough reason to deny it exists.

Hopefully, you've heard of the "Greenbaum Speech (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485533&viewfull=1#post485533)"?

[quiltinggrandma]

thank you so much billy.Iagree with you,i just can't buy what they're sellin.

[DNA]

I am horrified, the Apollo astronauts CAN NOT REMEMBER being on the moon? I do not mean to chalenge anyone, but is there a link/proof of this?? Please do not be offended!

You should check out Jay Weidners stuff.
He links Stanley Kubrick with the Apollo missions, states that "A CLOCK WORK ORANGE" was referring to what can be done and was done to the astronauts.

[Tyy1907]

Bonnie Meyer a contactee in the 70s claims meeting the Captain of a large UFO craft that had a bird-like appearance , he was blue, tall 6 foot bi-pedal and bird like. The Blue Avians are not a recent phenomenon from the Corey GoodET testimony. Ancient petroglyphs depict bird like men and indigenous tribes of America have spoken about them. The Sargent Clifford Stone testimony mentions over 50 species identified from the U.S. crash retrieval program in the 70s.
Most agree there is a variety of life in the cosmos so we can't discount having bird-like ones.

In regards to the astronauts being mind controlled that sounds more scary. If tptb did that to them did the astronauts like Neil Armstrong go willingly along with the mind control program? Maybe what he found out on the moon visits was more frightening to him, that some astronauts viewed being brainwashed as better then knowing?
I believe I've also heard Kewaunee Lapseritis speak of a bird-like race he interacted with. They healed him of a serious illness he had at the time.

[OMG]

If memories can be implanted or false how do we (or the victims) know if they are true?

How does Simon know his are true, since he mentions knowing people who have false memories, etc?

:)

[grannyfranny100]

Maybe someone else can recall what I can't. I don't know who was visiting a retired friend (CIA?) in Montana (?) but the guy's wife was an MD who had sessions with the astronauts when they returned from the moon and she was responsible for giving them some shot so they couldn't remember the moon part of the trip. She did not mention any mind blocking treatments. It was just casual conversation.

[DaRkViPeR]

As an four year old child I was visited a couple of times by birdlike people. It always happened at night and I remember that their size used to scare the living daylights out of me. It is not a false memory because a while ago I spoke to my mother about it and she confirmed that it did happen and at the time they thought it was just bad dreams.

[grannyfranny100]

I think that Simon's situation was different than most. His relationship with off worlders was since he was a very young child. He was too young to realize that this was not a normal situation for a Terran. Once he accepted a contract with the Mantids, he began his training and protection by them. He has been protected by them since he was quite young and has a protected line of communication with them. Some of his earlier interviews got into this.

[araucaria]

I am horrified, the Apollo astronauts CAN NOT REMEMBER being on the moon? I do not mean to chalenge anyone, but is there a link/proof of this?? Please do not be offended!


Not offended at all! :) And you're right to be horrified. I've heard this from various sources over the years.

The most recent account was from Jay Weidner, on Art Bell's radio show on 4 August 2015 (just 10 days ago).

This audio clip is HIGHLY recommended listening, concerning the astronauts' loss of memory. The person talking first is Stanton Friedman, who was also a guest on the show:

http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_on_Art_Bell_4_August_2015_Apollo_astronauts_lost_memories.mp3 (3 mins 20 seconds, 4 Mb)

Summary: Stanton Friedman asks whether Jay Weidner thinks the Apollo astronauts were lying. Weidner replies by saying:



Buzz Aldrin, in a Las Vegas conference a year after returning from the moon (20 July 1970, the anniversary), was asked by a reporter "what it was really like on the moon". Aldrin immediately felt so nauseous, and suddenly had such a gigantic headache, that he could not speak, started shaking uncontrollably, and his wife had to help him leave the room. This is documented in Buzz Aldrin's own autobiography (http://www.amazon.com/Reaching-Moon-Buzz-Aldrin/dp/0060554479). Weidner compares that to a scene in Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066921), when apparently similar brainwashing methods were depicted in the film.





Weidner then describes how he was told by a good personal friend, a very well-known professional hypnotherapist called Dr Robert Masters, that Edgar Mitchell had come to him asking to be hypnotized — because he "could not remember anything about the moon". Masters did indeed hypnotise him, but despite that, Mitchell STILL could not remember anything.





Art Bell then confirms this, from an earlier radio show when Mitchell had told Bell on air that he could not remember much about the moon. Bell said that had "stopped him cold".





Finally in this fascinating short clip, Weidner refers to the post-Apollo 11 press conference when all three astronauts were "looking as if their dog just died" (he stated this in an earlier segment of the program, not in this particular clip). He describes them as joyless and somber, with Neil Armstrong looking down most of the time... he recommends (as do I!) that people should actually watch this again. (It's here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_ZehPOMwI) on Youtube.)




Again — please do listen: http://projectavalon.net/Jay_Weidner_on_Art_Bell_4_August_2015_Apollo_astronauts_lost_memories.mp3




He may have ( probably ) suffered from brain hypoxia , I'd consider that option real . Of course , for physically and mentally untrained person this can result in collapse to the ground
but if you're trained you keep walking . Pilots or mountaineers who access high altitudes frequently suffer from hypoxia and of course it can mean certain death if such a state lasts for more than few minutes,

depending on change in gravity , pressure, temperatures , can happen to you in hot shower ( when steam can't exit the room ) and there's not enough free oxygen in the air anymore .

They had enough oxygen yet , they've been through extreme change of pressures .

You literally lose consciousness : and have either 'heightened sense of perception' ( sometimes as if looking at yourself from outside , what people describe as OBE ) or blank consciousness to extreme .


For the rest .. I'm sure they remember some if not most of it but the beginning too feels 'blank' to me .




:star:
An interesting thought Agape, but a public speaking engagement and a hot shower are two rather different situations to be in. It sounds more like an onstage situation worse than stage fright, where an actor dries up. He might do this for various reasons, but one of the secrets of smooth delivery is the rest of the cast following the script so that he can reply on cue. Fielding questions from the public would rely on similar cues, granted in any order; but what seems to have happened is that Patrick Moore’s question fell out of this range of scripted Q&A. This suggests that the astronauts were reciting a rehearsed script and were unable to improvise when prompted to do so. Whether this was conscious (censorship/secrecy) or unconscious (mind control) is another issue. I am not sure if Neil Armstrong could be mind-controlled to nudge his colleague: maybe he could, because suddenly feeling violently sick would hardly be the normal conscious response to a militarily sensitive question; you would expect that sort of thing to be brushed aside with minimum fuss.

Edit: Patrick Moore is the wrong name, Moore asked Armstrong about the stars. I meant Aldrin's questioner who made him sick.

[idiit]

saying:
•Buzz Aldrin, in a Las Vegas conference a year after returning from the moon (20 July 1970, the anniversary), was asked by a reporter "what it was really like on the moon". Aldrin immediately felt so nauseous, and suddenly had such a gigantic headache, that he could not speak, started shaking uncontrollably, and his wife had to help him leave the room. This is documented in Buzz Aldrin's own autobiography. Weidner compares that to a scene in Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange, when apparently similar brainwashing methods were depicted in the film.


exactly the symptoms (exactly) kautz talks about in his group symposium on ai induced mind control. the ai makes it almost impossible for the ai victim to recall anything the ai does not want us to recall. the ai uses extreme headaches and often nausea to prevent us from cognitively going to places ( memory and even terminology/words) that the ai doesn't want us to "go to".

[truth4me]

However, MK Ultra-style mind control--the kind that black ops, secret government projects, CIA, etc, employs--uses unconsciousness to implant false memories in the subject, not fabricating false memories consciously.

After having met three individuals who were programmed while in an unconscious state using MK Ultra-style techniques, it is not a stretch for me to understand that individuals in a "secret space program" would be routinely mind controlled.

Area 51 whistleblower Bob Lazar famously left his job there after realizing that he'd arrived back at Las Vegas on the regular evening shuttle flight from the base — and couldn't remember a thing about what he'd done that day. He went straight round to John Lear's house, and told him what had happened. The rest is history, as they say.

Also famously, none of the Apollo astronauts can actually remember being on the moon. It's all a blank. Even Edgar Mitchell has admitted this.

If memories can be overlaid with a 'blank' (which is how it works... like placing a blank sheet of paper over something with writing on it, so that the original can no longer be seen) — they can also be overlaid with a SUBSTITUTE. This is very old, fairly simple technology (even stage hypnotists can do this!), and it's been in place since the early 1950s or very probably long before.

If none of the Apollo astronauts can't remember ever being on the moon then it brings up the old " was the moon landing faked " stuff...Buzz Aldrin talks about how the earth looks and how the surface of the moon looks. Google Buzz Aldrin moon landing. Someone is lying....

[Carmody]

saying:
•Buzz Aldrin, in a Las Vegas conference a year after returning from the moon (20 July 1970, the anniversary), was asked by a reporter "what it was really like on the moon". Aldrin immediately felt so nauseous, and suddenly had such a gigantic headache, that he could not speak, started shaking uncontrollably, and his wife had to help him leave the room. This is documented in Buzz Aldrin's own autobiography. Weidner compares that to a scene in Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange, when apparently similar brainwashing methods were depicted in the film.


exactly the symptoms (exactly) kautz talks about in his group symposium on ai induced mind control. the ai makes it almost impossible for the ai victim to recall anything the ai does not want us to recall. the ai uses extreme headaches and often nausea to prevent us from cognitively going to places ( memory and even terminology/words) that the ai doesn't want us to "go to".

Like the moon?

As in remote viewing or astral projecting to the moon? same scenario, for most people.

The moon. The thing in the sky that does not fit any of the criteria for being there. That it's perfection of all it's attributes and orbital considerations, simply do not fit any functional model of astrophysics.

Yet, for some reason, this seems to slip by everyone.

Like this post will.

Like when a friend asks me to take them to the edge of reality that they consider, and beyond. A way of proving to them all the things I hint to them.

Yet they don't recall that I took them to that exact spot, twice before.


http://singularityhub.com/2015/08/02/think-your-conscious-brain-directs-your-actions-think-again/

Which is why I list things like this little musical bit:

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The song 'Hindenburg' ('oh the humanity') (the recording, and the burn of the recording')

From the group 'Telefuzz'.

From the album 'Sleep'.

Published by the company 'Upstairs Recordings'.

Like, Abstract Trains and imaginary Rain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-wa9IGWPZA).

Maybe Don Verbrilli is trying to tell you something. Also note the article from RT speaks about sonic methods. Phononic methods. Which science is finally returning to.

[Hervé]

They trained for years for that specific mission... and they don't recall a damn thing!

Now, about the following:


[...]

Ah right to be more precise the late great Patrick Moore asked about seeing stars and Neil answers with only being able to see through the optics and goes on to say he does not recall seeing stars and then Micheal Colins says he does not remember seeing any stars at all then Armstrong gives him a gentle STFU elbow!
So I guess I have to redact my brainwashin comment...

[...]

Well, imagine you are on Earth and it's daytime... daylight is on and you look up into the sky... do you see stars?... or a blue sky?

See?

The moon landers weren't using flashlights to pick a stroll... right?

So... the nudge might have been a reminder not to explain why they couldn't see any stars during daytime... it would have revealed the Moon as having an atmosphere!

The latter: THAT would have lent too much credence to Ingo Swann and his description of humans working there without breathing apparatuses... SEE?

[idiit]

Like this post will.


^ not. :)

kautz ( I love kautz. can anyone tell?) says from his research the hundredth monkey effect actually only requires 12 starter monkeys. cause and effect.


The moon. The thing in the sky that does not fit any of the criteria for being there. That it's perfection of all it's attributes and orbital considerations, simply do not fit any functional model of astrophysics.


^ it's pretty much accepted in alt news that the moon is not a natural object. I go with the camp that says it was maneuvered into it's spot. the fact it's the only known celestial object that is parked in place and doesn't rotate says a lot.


Yet they don't recall that I took them to that exact spot, twice before.




^ same thing happens to me daily. ppl aren't ready for it yet. when they are ready they will see. can't teach a blind man to see. have to wait till his sight sufficiently develops.


sonic methods

an aspect of frequency of energy. as we transform into higher dimensional entities we will view everything as spirit and energy according to the 'ed' stuff.

[Carmody]

saying:
•Buzz Aldrin, in a Las Vegas conference a year after returning from the moon (20 July 1970, the anniversary), was asked by a reporter "what it was really like on the moon". Aldrin immediately felt so nauseous, and suddenly had such a gigantic headache, that he could not speak, started shaking uncontrollably, and his wife had to help him leave the room. This is documented in Buzz Aldrin's own autobiography. Weidner compares that to a scene in Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange, when apparently similar brainwashing methods were depicted in the film.


exactly the symptoms (exactly) kautz talks about in his group symposium on ai induced mind control. the ai makes it almost impossible for the ai victim to recall anything the ai does not want us to recall. the ai uses extreme headaches and often nausea to prevent us from cognitively going to places ( memory and even terminology/words) that the ai doesn't want us to "go to".


http://singularityhub.com/2015/08/02/think-your-conscious-brain-directs-your-actions-think-again/



Maybe Don Verbrilli is trying to tell you something. Also note the article from RT speaks about sonic methods. Phononic methods. Which science is finally returning to.

Phononic. Sound Phonon. Mechanical vibration. Ohmmmm.... and so on. Music. Sound. Vibration. Tied to time, and energy exchange... and flow though from one space to the next.


Think Your Conscious Brain Directs Your Actions? Think Again (http://singularityhub.com/2015/08/02/think-your-conscious-brain-directs-your-actions-think-again/)


Think your deliberate, guiding, conscious thoughts are in charge of your actions?

Think again.

In a provocative new paper in Behavioral and Brain Sciences, a team led by Dr. Ezequiel Morsella at San Francisco State University came to a startling conclusion: consciousness is no more than a passive machine running one simple algorithm — to serve up what’s already been decided, and take credit for the decision.

Rather than a sage conductor, it’s just a tiny part of what happens in the brain that makes us “aware.” All the real work goes on under the hood — in our unconscious minds.

That you can be hypnotized. That you can be brainwashed.

That the voice in your head is just a high level reporting program, and the real work and real world goes on down in your unconscious, your subconscious... the dream world, the astral world, and so on.

That manipulation of this high level reporting program via hypnotics, programming, insertion of ..whatever..... all this colors it, filters it, defeats it, bends it. It can, and does, in people..create a condition where they are stuck in thinking that this high level program is actually them. The ego body system.

It bends the entire world, it bends the protrusion, this dimensional bubble, this 3d-timespace dimensional reality bubble. That the high level reporting program, the voice in the head, is of this place, this space.

Don't look inside, stay in fear, stay in conflict stay on the voice in head monkey level, don't look at the moon, psychic phenomena is not real, neither are aliens, nor other dimensions, nor anti-gravity, and so on....none of that is real.

If it is the hypnotic, the lock into the surface level of the complex multi-dimensional you..if the above is all real...that hypnotic lock..... comes off.


FORGET EVERYTHING YOU JUST READ --- AND GO BACK TO SLEEP.

That is the command. That is the push, the directive.

Let see how long you can hang onto the moment of knowing.

Your task, is to enlarge that window.

Otherwise the so-called consciousness and self below it, when it comes to commanding this space, is just a circular lock from lips to ass.

[Hervé]

...


:sleep::sleep::sleep:





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[Carmody]

Some visuals, to help one understand.

The other important point, is that your past and future awareness is tied to the given 2d eternal now moment, as you fly along grid points in the oscillating 2d field pairing vibratory 'now' positions.

http://www.coralreefphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Oil-Spill-457x303.jpg

The past and future is the bubble of this universe (below), a bubble connected to the surface of this rainbow seeming sheet (above).

Your awareness bubble is tied to that past history and expression of potentials and future, in this given 3d time-field bubble (the same bubble mentioned above, expressed differently, expressed in an expanded way)

If you keep fear focusing on the idea of and AI, all you will do, is project it as your monkey based adversary opposite, in your future timeline explorations. You will 'drive' to it, in potentials, due to connections and focus. think of a roiling eddy current filled ball, connected to a 2d plane. the 2d plane is made up of a pair of 2d fields in vibratory interlock, they create a 'rainbow' surface of vibration.

http://www.coralreefphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Oil-Spill-457x303.jpg"]http://www.coralreefphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Oil-Spill-457x303.jpg

Now, imagine a 2d folded back on itself field... a bubble, rolling along it's surface, connected to it. That's your past to future field, this 3d universe. But connected to the 2d field, at the bubble to surface point. Mathematically, all points of the folded back 3d seeming 2d bubble..are connected to the 2d sheet.

http://eandt.theiet.org/magazine/2012/03/images/640_soap-bubbles.jpg

You steer it, via past recognition, and projection of the frontwave of the 'rolling'. Your moment of awareness decides the intensity of the steering and the size of the bubble. we collectively and individually steer it.

So, in effect, thinking in fear of an AI, only brings it closer as a black to your white, a complement in contrast of the monkey ego which is trying to project safety (lions in the tall grass) in a web of enforced fear. To drive the rolling roiling bubble of awareness, across the singular 2d sheet contact point, to a given connection point, a given timeline, or 'future'.

Try thinking of other things, to know that this is what you are doing, steering futures, creating space, and so on, this is key. I am god, you are god, this is god. You are responsible for you, when you protrude into and are of this space and place.

[onawah]

It seems like most people try to avoid that dilemma by not thinking about anything scary at all, which doesn't get us very far, either...

[ulli]

Just a minute before reading Carmody's last post I saw this:

"The time for discussion approaches an end. You will either clean up the mess and end the leadership of those responsible or this will end.
It is all a matter of recognizing the reality of your situation and acting in concert along lines of moral determination."
~James Horak

There are many researchers out there who can offer alternative inspirational sources to AI.
Far more wholesome than the distractions being offered by the dark side.
The greatest of all lies is that something out there can overwhelm us.

The power is within each of us. But to access that power we all need to look out for number one,
and find our place and calling within this immense universe.

There is a risk though. By doing so someone close to you will say "why do you have to make this about yourself?"
And put a guilt trip on us.
But how can it ever be about anyone else when we have no clue where their place is in this immense universe?
Our personal focus is a matter of choice....some options need to be rejected.
The important must give way to the most important.
Each one must decide for themselves what that means.

Let's all choose well because we will be held responsible and pay the price by the ever unfolding future world.

[ulli]

It seems like most people try to avoid that dilemma by not thinking about anything scary at all, which doesn't get us very far, either...

True. But that is fear-based choice, not a conscious choice.
When we go out there with conscious creativity and vision
then getting attacked will be a part of the package.
And for that we need to put on the cloak of courage and have faith that we are always protected.

[araucaria]

"The time for discussion approaches an end. You will either clean up the mess and end the leadership of those responsible or this will end."
... The greatest of all lies is that something out there can overwhelm us.
Exactly. This ultimatum is to take effect before you get time to read the small print. When in point of fact the time for discussion has only just begun. Discussion is not getting in the way of applying a solution, it is the solution, in its early stages. Recognizing one has a problem is a first major step to overcoming that problem. Why? Because it destroys the very idea of a leadership out there to overwhelm us. If dates like 2000 or 2012 have any significance in 2015, it is precisely to tell us: take your time, more haste is truly less speed. We are the community of those who will not be rushed, another way of saying in control of our own destiny.

[ThePythonicCow]

That the voice in your head is just a high level reporting program, and the real work and real world goes on down in your unconscious, your subconscious... the dream world, the astral world, and so on.
Therein lies another way of explaining creativity.

For me, over the years, it was most often in the world of computer software. More commonly it is associated with such worlds as painting, music, literature, other art forms, ... and with other areas open to major advances of thought and understanding, such as mathematics and physics, and inventions of new (to our consciously shared world) devices and processes.

The trick is to find and nurture ways and means to tease out the unconscious realizations into expressible, realizable form. This may be why scientific and mathematical "discoveries" often seem to happen in several places, independently, all at once. Their essential prerequisite, of some refinement or adjustment of unconscious awareness, was likely already happening, and not independently at all.

[Shadowself]

I don't know much about Simon except one video he did where he was being regressed and started to remember an Egyptian ritual. The person who was regressing him stopped him cold and guided him away from it and that quite upset me because I felt it was important. If he ever did go back and view that ritual I have no idea....but it was quite interesting.

The rest I have no idea...and can't comment on Simon's ability. But he does 'suggest' that implanted memory might be feasible in this BA thing.

Recently it's been suggested he's being toyed with by AI which is silly. Because if he were...he'd be making a whole lot more sense. Which he is not.

Basically people are giving this guy a whole lot more credit for things he's been reading up on and plagiarizing by others and reformulated into his new fantasy.

I'm have a real hard time believing this is even an implanted memory. I think it's just turned into a cash cow for his lack of wanting to go back to work after his hiatus with temporary work related disability which he's also been milking for some time now.

Imaging that. Some of us who have had experience that is unfathomable STILL have to work for a living and pay the bills. Believe me that's not easy but far better on self confidence and at the end of the day, I personally can benefit from that little thing called self respect. I wonder if he can.

[Elainie]

I don't know much about Simon except one video he did where he was being regressed and started to remember an Egyptian ritual. The person who was regressing him stopped him cold and guided him away from it and that quite upset me because I felt it was important. If he ever did go back and view that ritual I have no idea....but it was quite interesting.

The rest I have no idea...and can't comment on Simon's ability. But he does 'suggest' that implanted memory might be feasible in this BA thing.

Recently it's been suggested he's being toyed with by AI which is silly. Because if he were...he'd be making a whole lot more sense. Which he is not.

Basically people are giving this guy a whole lot more credit for things he's been reading up on and plagiarizing by others and reformulated into his new fantasy.

I'm have a real hard time believing this is even an implanted memory. I think it's just turned into a cash cow for his lack of wanting to go back to work after his hiatus with temporary work related disability which he's also been milking for some time now.

Imaging that. Some of us who have had experience that is unfathomable STILL have to work for a living and pay the bills. Believe me that's not easy but far better on self confidence and at the end of the day, I personally can benefit from that little thing called self respect. I wonder if he can.




^^^^ This. Everyone read and reread. Of course it's my belief as well. I do not think (based on what others have told me who had interactions with Corey over the years) he is a MILAB or anything of the sort.

[Elainie]

However, MK Ultra-style mind control--the kind that black ops, secret government projects, CIA, etc, employs--uses unconsciousness to implant false memories in the subject, not fabricating false memories consciously.

After having met three individuals who were programmed while in an unconscious state using MK Ultra-style techniques, it is not a stretch for me to understand that individuals in a "secret space program" would be routinely mind controlled.

Area 51 whistleblower Bob Lazar famously left his job there after realizing that he'd arrived back at Las Vegas on the regular evening shuttle flight from the base — and couldn't remember a thing about what he'd done that day. He went straight round to John Lear's house, and told him what had happened. The rest is history, as they say.

Also famously, none of the Apollo astronauts can actually remember being on the moon. It's all a blank. Even Edgar Mitchell has admitted this.

If memories can be overlaid with a 'blank' (which is how it works... like placing a blank sheet of paper over something with writing on it, so that the original can no longer be seen) — they can also be overlaid with a SUBSTITUTE. This is very old, fairly simple technology (even stage hypnotists can do this!), and it's been in place since the early 1950s or very probably long before.

If none of the Apollo astronauts can't remember ever being on the moon then it brings up the old " was the moon landing faked " stuff...Buzz Aldrin talks about how the earth looks and how the surface of the moon looks. Google Buzz Aldrin moon landing. Someone is lying....


I believe Clark McClelland who states we did land on the moon. I also like to think I have a good BS radar and Clark (IMO) is telling the truth. His story never changes and he never elaborates/makes up stories on things he cannot answer.

[MorningFox]

I must say I have to agree, sadly. I would love to believe him but my instincts make it impossible for me to believe this man. Every time I watch him my intuition tells me he is either making it up and/or regurgitating what he has read elsewhere. Sorry. I'd love to be wrong.

[Andrew]

They trained for years for that specific mission... and they don't recall a damn thing!

Now, about the following:


[...]

Ah right to be more precise the late great Patrick Moore asked about seeing stars and Neil answers with only being able to see through the optics and goes on to say he does not recall seeing stars and then Micheal Colins says he does not remember seeing any stars at all then Armstrong gives him a gentle STFU elbow!
So I guess I have to redact my brainwashin comment...

[...]

Well, imagine you are on Earth and it's daytime... daylight is on and you look up into the sky... do you see stars?... or a blue sky?

See?

The moon landers weren't using flashlights to pick a stroll... right?

So... the nudge might have been a reminder not to explain why they couldn't see any stars during daytime... it would have revealed the Moon as having an atmosphere!

The latter: THAT would have lent too much credence to Ingo Swann and his description of humans working there without breathing apparatuses... SEE?

Don't think you can see stars through the screen when doing front screen projection.

[Finefeather]

I am horrified, the Apollo astronauts CAN NOT REMEMBER being on the moon? I do not mean to chalenge anyone, but is there a link/proof of this?? Please do not be offended!
There are many instances where astronauts talk of been on the moon...just search for Buzz Aldrin...or others... on YouTube or on Google.

Yes they seem to avoid many questions...but this could very well be because of what they saw on the moon...like structure etc...and have been forbidden to talk of it...so this would obviously place a great strain on them.

In esoteric writings it states that the moon is far older than earth and was inhabited by Beings before the earth humans started on earth planet...so it would be expected that there would be old structures on the moon...and it would just confirm what esoterics tells us.

edit: That's of course if they actually went to the moon :)

[Limor Wolf]

I can't help but wonder why some here - good people, feel personal hurt when a 'messenger' is not falling into their proper criticism, there may be several reasons for that of course, but certain things that may not be taken into consideration are : Times, we are living in times of great troubles by a society which is coming out of a long lasting coma with quite the objection in the image of interdimensional interference, human impacted interference, cyclic planetary energies and technologies that are invasive at best. Looking for a leader that will give us the correct answers all the time at all times is a role that goes beyond the acceptance/non acceptance of information, it goes right into our inner most psychological need to relay on a reliable source in days of stormy water which often times leads to dissapointment and an automatic discharge of some good portion of information that lays within the more 'influenced' one

This puts a big long mirror infront of us, that (if only we dare and take a look) we may identify the deep place from which our expectations emerge and perheps discontinue to over analyze any one human being who comes forward with mission/programming/aspiration/desire to do something, and relate to their informative offers mostly instead

We are living in times of (deliberate) confusion and personal and collective uncertainty, so it's all quite understood, but more than none the conclusions that come up are two ends of the same rope, it's either all 'one big fantasy in someone's head' or perheps the opposite of 'ultimate truth in the hands of a one person'.

Truth is, the distinctivness of the game being played and the role of each and every one reveals a whole fabric that has both 'DNA' and 'junk DNA' within it's pattern. There is always more than the eye can see, it's not all made from the same fabric on the same shirt, there are several woven yarns which reflect things that we yet need to learn and therefore we may want to thank the person and not attack them personally and when all yarns are identified which one is coming from where, we can make up our minds and see if it suits us to continue and if not we can simply walk away ~

[Mike]

What a great post Limor!

I've been trying to make similar points recently...and I'll admit here that it irks me a little that you're able to make it better and with more eloquence in your second language than I am with my native tongue....damn you!:)

We all so badly want our heroes to be right about everything!...all the time! It would make life so much easier, wouldn't it? No more thinking! I'm talking about myself here too. I was just revisiting the 'Conversations With God' material, and i was relaxed and feeling like a sage (ha!), and thinking to myself that I wouldn't waver too much from this material..ever. this was it! I'd found it! Why had I ever forgotten it? And then "God" launches into his one world government spiel, all while giving effusive praise to George Bush Sr.! Wait, what??? Oh, I was so close to finding that all encompassing theory ive been seeking...and that all knowing sage. Damn it, he had to throw that wrench in there:)

But I won't discard the material all together. There's tons of good stuff in there. Like you said, each has a piece of the fabric. We shouldnt be discouraged that so n so doesn't have all the answers...we should be grateful that he/she just has some! And then we slowly piece together the quilt...

It's very much like that with the posts here as well. There's a gem in almost every post..even if most of it doesnt resonate with you. Ive been thinking about what Paul said for the last 15 mins or so..the. bit about teasing out unconscious realizations with regards to creativity. There was something about the way that was worded that brought me to a certain understanding. And its pretty cool when that happens!

I think it would have been much more interesting if Simon said "blue bird beings are real!" It would be very difficult for Simon supporters to deny this...simply because it's much easier to believe your heroes than it is to question them. My strong suspicion is that many who agree with Simon regarding the bird aliens now would have just as readily agreed had he taken the opposite tact. At least one post would have begun like this: i knew the bird aliens were real all along but didn't want to upset the apple cart so I kept quiet. But in light of Simon's recent comments ...."

Guaranteed.


P.s. Ray (Finefeather), I like your posts brother. I have no idea if what you're saying is the way things are, but I'm certain that what you're saying is the way things should be:sun: seriously, your words have a very grounding and peaceful effect on me. Thanks for that

[araucaria]

I must say I have to agree, sadly. I would love to believe him but my instincts make it impossible for me to believe this man. Every time I watch him my intuition tells me he is either making it up and/or regurgitating what he has read elsewhere. Sorry. I'd love to be wrong.
Why not just stick with your instincts and your intuition, without the sadness, without the apologies, and without the loving to be wrong.
I would hate to believe him, and I sure wouldn't understand if I were wrong.
No convictions without courage.

[greybeard]

There have been several on Avalon over the years that have been put on a pedestal and quoted often.
They can be thought of as an authority on their subject.
I have noticed that the more bizarre the story "bizarre to me that is" the more ardent followers it seems to attract.
Its as though they are believed to have the answer to the problems of the world and following their suggestions will change the world for the better.

Discernment is useful and needs to be applied.

It is just not healthy to put some one on a pedestal--this almost guarantees that they will fall short of expectations.

Regards Chris

[Finefeather]

I can't help but wonder why some here - good people, feel personal hurt when a 'messenger' is not falling into their proper criticism, there may be several reasons for that of course, but certain things that may not be taken into consideration are : Times, we are living in times of great troubles by a society which is coming out of a long lasting coma with quite the objection in the image of interdimensional interference, human impacted interference, cyclic planetary energies and technologies that are invasive at best. Looking for a leader that will give us the correct answers all the time at all times is a role that goes beyond the acceptance/non acceptance of information, it goes right into our inner most psychological need to relay on a reliable source in days of stormy water which often times leads to dissapointment and an automatic discharge of some good portion of information that lays within the more 'influenced' one

This puts a big long mirror infront of us, that (if only we dare and take a look) we may identify the deep place from which our expectations emerge and perheps discontinue to over analyze any one human being who comes forward with mission/programming/aspiration/desire to do something, and relate to their informative offers mostly instead

We are living in times of (deliberate) confusion and personal and collective uncertainty, so it's all quite understood, but more than none the conclusions that come up are two ends of the same rope, it's either all 'one big fantasy in someone's head' or perheps the opposite of 'ultimate truth in the hands of a one person'.

Truth is, the distinctivness of the game being played and the role of each and every one reveals a whole fabric that has both 'DNA' and 'junk DNA' within it's pattern. There is always more than the eye can see, it's not all made from the same fabric on the same shirt, there are several woven yarns which reflect things that we yet need to learn and therefore we may want to thank the person and not attack them personally and when all yarns are identified which one is coming from where, we can make up our minds and see if it suits us to continue or if not simply walk away ~
What you are writing here is certainly correct...but it is only true for those who are living in the reality you are describing...and not everyone on this planet lives in this reality.

The messengers who come to offer supposed relief... or their brand of advice do so in the context of this same reality which you describe...those who do not see the messenger or the message of any use...have equal right to have an opinion...and who is to say that their rejection of these messengers is not the real truth? Who is to say that those who reject this reality you describe are not right?

It is certainly the right of all Beings to have an opinion...and it also the right of a collective to have it's own opinion...so any messenger who gives a message will only be considered to be of value if it gives credence to a collective...another collective might not see any value in the message and have equal rights to reject it.

There are many collectives of similar or equal thinking on Avalon and we cannot expect everyone to agree with all messengers...and how would one even begin to separate one collective from another on a forum where each has his/her right to an opinion.

You say we should simply walk away...but there is another side to this also which is the search for truth..."you are either for me or against me" is a message from truth...and you can see millions of people on this planet everyday in the darkest of places NOT walking away from that which creates the very thing we are fighting against...these are the people who fight for truth...if you keep walking away from a festering saw...how do you expect it to heal?...and standing up for truth means standing against untruth.

It is quite clear to most people on this planet that truth and 'untruth' exists...good and 'evil'...and the truth of the matter is that not everyone lives in the same supposed truth which we each believe is the right truth.

So clearly your message can only apply to those in your belief of your supposed truth?

We are also not waiting for any leader...we are each the leader of our own destiny and it is only those who have no answer to the reality they have chosen to be part of that needs a leader...not everyone wants a leader because many many know the truth of life and the need for individual sovereignty...and the truth of unity and brotherhood...which can only be realised when we see the real reality in which we live and not the one created by dark forces...which many think they have identified and are against... when in fact they have no idea that they are living in the same reality created by these dark forces...despite thinking that are not.

So your message is only true for those who live in the reality you describe...but what is the answer then?

There is truth waiting to be found and free for all but the pull of fantasy and fiction and illusion is just too strong to release the mind and free it up to receive truth.

The answers we are looking for is available right now...we do not have to wait for anything or anyone...it only takes will to move from illusion to reality...it is a choice...a choice each of us needs to take one day...only then will we be free from the reality you are describing...

No one can be free in a collective where freedom is not an option...you have to move away and into the collective where freedom is the only way...and only from this view can we fight untruth.

Take care
Ray

[Bill Ryan]

There have been several on Avalon over the years that have been put on a pedestal and quoted often.
They can be thought of as an authority on their subject.
I have noticed that the more bizarre the story "bizarre to me that is" the more ardent followers it seems to attract.
Its as though they are believed to have the answer to the problems of the world and following their suggestions will change the world for the better.

Discernment is useful and needs to be applied.

It is just not healthy to put some one on a pedestal--this almost guarantees that they will fall short of expectations.

Regards Chris

A helpful modifying note here, to maybe clarify what Chris refers to:

My personal stance on this is that if a forum member seems to be saying something particularly interesting or noteworthy, and appears or claims to have the credentials to do so, I will almost always offer them the microphone on stage. (This is, after all, a shared stage.)

That always attracts a lot of interest, of course, but that very scrutiny then quite often exposes real flaws, or legitimate concerns. In some cases, that then leads them being asked to leave that same stage. :)

A case in point: I've been accused of 'promoting' Corey. Not so. I was urged by Christine to showcase his story, after she had met him in person when (coincidentally) she was visiting Dallas last September.

The idea for the initial interview was her initiative, not mine. But I will always do the best job I can when editing a video or audio, whatever it is... even if it's about my dog. :bigsmile: For me, that's a matter of professional principle, as it were. I simply always do the best I can.

At that point (the first Corey interview), all seemed cool and interesting. He was then on stage with the microphone, to use the analogy above. It was AFTER that that everything went awry.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posetd by Finefeather: The messengers who come to offer supposed relief..."

Hi Ray, I agree with parts of what you say, I genuinely think that some of the messaengers are really doing it for the sake of the human race and sincerely wanting to move things forward, that is the first valuable distinction - sincerity, and it should count a lot in our books where integrity and honesty are attributes that long have been lost from our political leaders


Originaly posted by Finefeather: "who is to say that their rejection of these messengers is not the real truth?" No one:), one thing may be useful to remind ourselves, is that we are under observence and being influenced at all times, meaning - it is USEFUL for others that the Alternative community will indulge more in the image of the messanger and not objectively sift through the many angles of one's own story and it's implications on us as human beings, whether the details are true or not, and align with some conclusions. Unity is not a desired outcome for them but energetic discordance IS, so, yes, a vocal rejection of the messenger is the right of everyone, but does it serve our interest? Are we closer than previous years towards any firm understanding with relation to the general intention of ET's and their role in our life? Do we at all have a say as human beings, do we know what we want? Have we formulated any kind of statement about the future we want to find ourselves in, are we completely in agreement for what we stand for? or are we engaged in criticizing this or that person sheding ourself from any self responsibility by claiming how he/they leads us astray.. so it's not the rejection itself, it is really quite valuable to have a discussion on what's been offered, and even vital to have an opinion, it's how it's done and what are we inspecting.. is it the the message or the messanger?


Originally posted by Fine feather: "you can see millions of people on this planet everyday in the darkest of places NOT walking away from that which creates the very thing we are fighting against..." and so we seem to agree on the walking away part as an optimal solution to depart from dark places (after diagnosing, researching, coming to conclusions, hopefuly engaging in open exchange/discussion, consolidating an opinion and expressing it and our concerns-satisfactions with it, and should we not want to continue we walk away.


Originally posted by Fine feather: " but there is another side to this also which is the search for truth..."you are either for me or against me" is a message from truth... In my eyes, that may be interpreted more as the custom mindset of duality and not so much a representive of the more spiritual truth which may be constructed of several layers with many colors and shades of truth.
For example, I feel honored to be on the side of Simon parkes as a person, but am not in alignement (and do not yet fully understand) the beings he represent and their unclear intention for my species, this I want to understand better, and than stand on my right as a human being and excercise my will whether to embrace it or not. By arguing the messenger and not the message, we are not even close to be there.


Originally posted by Mike: "I've been trying to make similar points recently...and I'll admit here that it irks me a little that you're able to make it better and with more eloquence in your second language than I am with my native tongue....damn you!:) "

Don't worry, Mike, I have a rotten English, it takes me ages to think and check in the dictionary if this word in my mind actually exists and has the intended meaning and I don't even speake English at all, I just learned here on the forum how to write, and if I do speak a little- my Hebrew accent sounds like the sawing of a tree trunk (had to check that one out) at 5am in the morning, so I wouldn't be too impressed if I were you :bigsmile:

In my eyes the question is why do we look for heroes at all.. inspiration, expertise, knowledge, work ability... yes.
Does it matter if there are beings that appear as blue birds (there may possibly be this type of beings somewhere in the universe), or if it's a mind control injection.. what might matter is how do we react to such scenarios within our human capability

Many good Blessings ~

Limor

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Agape for this clarification – which says that what is not clear in the first place will only become more obscure if we want to make it clear at all cost.

I am re-reading John Mack's famous "Abduction. Human encounters with aliens" which I read when it came out in 1994. Practically all those very sensitively documented cases of people becoming transformed by their meetings show that, as their emotional turmoil gradually moves from horror or fear through courage and patience to acceptance and ultimately love, their anatomical description of the beings' appearance by means of zoological analogies gradually moves away from "grey" or "ant-like" or "reptilian" to something more aloof or transdimensional – with quite a few of the abductees wondering whether such "species-shifting" of their visitors may represent the temporary result of their bleeding through into our dimensional setup from where they come, adapting and reaching out to our world.

I attach high probability to this as it is also dovetails into what my reading of the mystic's accounts – from quite a few religions – with angel-like beings has made me understand. We just have to look at what the great masters of painting have invented in order to represent the emissaries of the divine. Blue and purplish blue or violet seem to be favorite colors.

On a personal note, I have once been surprised, or blessed, by a small but unforgettable visionary experience and the being that approached me was of a resplendent blue color that I can instantly recall, but have never come across in nature since.

Coming back to the beings – a too fast "zoological" identification makes me think of the "nuts and bots" hypotheses we used to harbour regarding their vehicles, whereas now our witnessing their (relative) immateriality seems to have changed the dominant paradigm.

Form is always present, yet never fixed.

[ghostrider]

mind control is so advanced , anything is possible ... I watched a man off the street get hypnotized to walk with a limp , on the hearing of one word , it happened and afterwards he didn't remember the trigger that started it ... they video taped him and showed him , he couldn't remember switching to walk with a limp ...

[Carmody]

It is just not healthy to put some one on a pedestal--this almost guarantees that they will fall short of expectations.

Regards Chris


The age of Pisces ends. What it rules over and what is coming to an end, or shift point. (http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_rulerships_pisces.shtml)

The age of Aquarius begins. What it rules over and what is coming into a greater focus, or motion into. (http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_rulerships_aquarius.shtml)

Read these things very carefully, people, and you will see the shape of your world and how it moves in all it's subtlety.

You'll have to use discernment, and thought, though. One must move into truth, it cannot be brought down.

[ghostrider]

mind control has become very advanced , you think it's an accident you sit at a computer , own a cell phone , drink water from a bottle ??? everything is designed to keep you buying and stuck in the control system of the matrix ... the ptb control the narrative everywhere , except on the Avalon forum ... they own FB , twitter , the mainstream news , the blockbuster movies , the papers , magazines , the schools , the government , the police , the supreme court , and yes the white house ... we live in a controlled environment , from sun up to sun down and while we sleep , subtle microwaves are piped into every home keeping you in the box ... hence the term when I woke up ... simon could be mind controlled and not even know it ... he could be part of the drip of subtle disclosure ...

[Savannah]

Hopefully, you've heard of the "Greenbaum Speech"?




No I had not seen it. Very interesting, Thank you

[Agape]

Thank you Agape for this clarification – which says that what is not clear in the first place will only become more obscure if we want to make it clear at all cost.

I am re-reading John Mack's famous "Abduction. Human encounters with aliens" which I read when it came out in 1994. Practically all those very sensitively documented cases of people becoming transformed by their meetings show that, as their emotional turmoil gradually moves from horror or fear through courage and patience to acceptance and ultimately love, their anatomical description of the beings' appearance by means of zoological analogies gradually moves away from "grey" or "ant-like" or "reptilian" to something more aloof or transdimensional – with quite a few of the abductees wondering whether such "species-shifting" of their visitors may represent the temporary result of their bleeding through into our dimensional setup from where they come, adapting and reaching out to our world.

I attach high probability to this as it is also dovetails into what my reading of the mystic's accounts – from quite a few religions – with angel-like beings has made me understand. We just have to look at what the great masters of painting have invented in order to represent the emissaries of the divine. Blue and purplish blue or violet seem to be favorite colors.

On a personal note, I have once been surprised, or blessed, by a small but unforgettable visionary experience and the being that approached me was of a resplendent blue color that I can instantly recall, but have never come across in nature since.

Coming back to the beings – a too fast "zoological" identification makes me think of the "nuts and bots" hypotheses we used to harbour regarding their vehicles, whereas now our witnessing their (relative) immateriality seems to have changed the dominant paradigm.

Form is always present, yet never fixed.



Thank you for your comment .

I believe ( from experience ) that people fail to communicate directly in ET encounters ( despite being so good in human communications ) unless they have evolved abstract thinking to the point where they're self sufficient,
liberated from the prison of conceptuality acquired during their human upbringing

because the 'intelligence on the other side' works on another frequency ,
and unless you're prepared for a transformation

it can only speak to you through 'analogues' .

In my experience again, all advanced entities will prefer to speak directly from using metaphors and images but it's so far, the only means how to appeal to human minds .. in common ,


:bigsmile:

[araucaria]

because the 'intelligence on the other side' works on another frequency ,
and unless you're prepared for a transformation

it can only speak to you through 'analogues' .

Why are people not prepared for a ‘transformation’? Because they are rightly wary of submitting to outside control, even for good. This holds not just for ETs but for surgeons as well. The video you posted the other day, Agape, of the brain surgeon operating on the singer shows someone extremely careful to avoid making transformations. His business of healing involved precisely making zero transformations. What we saw was his avoidance of damage, but you are now talking about the inadvertent (or more likely deliberate) enhancement of the patient’s singing powers. He didn’t sign up for that, and rightly so, because his singing powers are not quantifiable against any objective scale; his powers of any kind are measured in terms of his soul development, i.e. the process of getting from where he is at to where he is going, which is an inner transformation. Angelic voices appearing out of nowhere are not what this process is all about. This is messianism, and the question of messianism is not the usual one of being Saved from what? (we largely know the answer to that); the one we don’t often hear is Saved to what? What is this other-worldly existence that is to replace our present one? The only answer can be a synthesis of the two: we evolve from where we are through realizing our developing aspirations for where we would like to be. That is process that truly benevolent ETs have to stand by and watch, with the occasional nudge. They cannot be allowed to burst in and transform us, any more than a teacher setting a problem for a class will provide the right answer. The real right answer is learning to distinguish between incorrect calculations leading to incorrect results, correct calculations leading to incorrect results, and correct calculations leading to correct results. Any mentoring (to use Alex Collier’s word) has to restrict itself to the student’s level and leave him to work it out for himself: look at what’s written on the blackboard, remember yesterday’s lesson… because that is precisely the skill that is needed from humans at this time.

More analogies, you will say. Sure: and here’s another :) Born in the digital age, my son, who incidentally is a surgeon, likes nothing better than one of my old analog vinyl records, precisely because of all the things that get airbrushed out on a CD, up to and including the slight perception of the rotation speed. In other words, it reaches (and transforms) the soul more effectively because it has a physical component that touches the physical component of the human soul.

[Agape]

Araucaria : yes , precisely, it's the case . It's always the case :bigsmile:

We are different and only trying to communicate, for starters . And yet ..we can't because of this sometimes, extreme fear ... we feel of each other , each others thinking patterns .
I tell you my own example from human life , simple as that : there are many people who enjoy arguments for arguments . No matter what you tell them , be it a friendly gesture , medical advice , postcard from Holland or coffee from Brazil,
they'll find it a reason for re-enacting an argument , endless argument running through their minds every moment of their life ( except for when they take sleeping pill ). The same people are so attached to their own perception of how brain works .. that unless you start arguing with them , on their level , they attack you instead .

There's nothing like own experience ... see and try .

They're overwhelmed by their convictions , and every single element , person becomes an object they're convinced they know and can judge and criticise ,
correct , put in perspective .



Reasons quoted by you are reasons why I do not sign up for many 'human transformations' either .

Of them all , I believe perhaps maths and music ( especially some jewels of classical music ) are 'pure' on abstract level , free of interpretations : free for you , to interpret them on your own .

To appreciate beauty of some classical rhapsody or Fourier transform ( it's officially called : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_transform ) you need to put other things aside for a while .
Immerse yourself in the abstract world . YES , many people are afraid of maths ..for example .. is not exactly being 'afraid of transformation'.
I think most are afraid of it because they were wrongly told at school that maths is difficult and perhaps they struggled with one or two exams .

It's still very handy , later in life , if you have good foundation in maths , it's an aspect generally overlooked in our society and you meet many otherwise well educated adults who hesitate and struggle with simple logical or mathematical problems .

Too much abstract thinking can be dangerous .. for sure .

But everything evolves and one day we will know better .


This 'mental image' ( not sure where did I get it from, oh , right, movie ET the Extraterrestrial I saw late as an adult anyway because my mum was once told it's only for adults .. there was something mysterious about it .. it was new in movie halls when I was about 10 and she went to see it with her colleagues and let me home alone , something she would not do otherwise .. :bigsmile:, and in later part of my life I seldom watched movies and I only saw full of it on my computer few years ago, never mind )
comes to my mind fairly often here,

and it happens in real life many times too ... and I try turning it to fun , each time .

It's the 'mutual scare' . I'm not sure if I can find the right clip.

I'll look for it and may fill it in later .

8fqSKbluEEA

The 'reaction' starts roughly in 1:40 minute , with little Gertie entering the room.



But please , understand .. I spent on appreciating and trying to understand human life and mind many years as well , I still have much more to fear from 'you' ( as mass of human beings ) than you'd ever have to fear from me. Your fear and doubts and logical errors are as infectious as your laughter is .
You can kill me for meat or for organ donation, you've been seducing me to being human , the mind control of society in those areas is pretty tough .


I've never attacked anybody ( of course I stepped on at least 5 peoples toes :bigsmile:) and I seldom get into conflicts at all , certainly not by will .
Yet .. it's inevitable part of human lives..

:bigsmile:

[Agape]

It's purely virtual , artificial scare of course , situational one ..it has such tags attached to it such as #disclosure , #alternative media , #forum discussion, #extraterrestrials, #google servers , #mind controls, #witnesses .. and so on.

In reality , most probably neither Auracaria or me are capable of scaring anybody .

:facepalm::bigsmile:

What's my fault ? I've reported my information in 2006 to ufo related websites . Honestly , I wrote to SETI too and got a short and sentient response back.

I thought, perhaps ..there are more people somewhere in the backgrounds working on this than the front 'PR Office' claims .

My message can be still found on the ufocasebook website :

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2002spaceshipencounter.html

http://www.ufocasebook.com/etoriginofmankind.html


I came to report the information in total , could never do that so far .. yet, I was pushed and prompted to become part of various ufo and conspiracy related forums and share with other 'experiencers' .
To discuss 'my experiences' , I was being constantly offered an interpretation of what I've actually experienced, who I am and how I feel whenever I consented to open my mouth about it.

Thanks to the many genuine people with pure hearts who actually cared to read or hear what I had to say and their minds were still firing full speed .
I really don't think there's one 'magical way' how to enlighten everyone, probably not either technological or spiritual magic anywhere in the Universe that can surpass power of living intelligence and its own Evolution.

None of your prophets, great teachers or divine incarnations were able to wave 'magic wand' and rise everyone where we need them to be ,
yes you can oppose with some kind of reverse causality, concept of karma and how life on earth is a lesson we voluntarily choose to undertake
however this may be true for SOME , not for ALL.

Imagine .. I mean , if I had the power , full power of God or Enlightenment , would I let any single soul or creature suffer, repeat their own mistakes , die in childhood, I would not .

And yet ... so many of your cultures believed and some still believe in the power of 'impossible' .

And yet ... no matter how unrealistic is the concept of human salvation and final day of judgement , no matter how unpredictable is the power of miracles ,

there's something we say we don't know yet but are waiting for ..


:star:

[araucaria]

That ET clip is the hollowed [edit: read Hollywood] version of reality. The bookcase, symbolizing acquired knowledge, just folds up like a pack of cards. The symbolism of that is the sudden transformation you are talking about. Accumulated knowledge lies in a heap on the floor. In real life, the bookshelf would have held firm and the kid would have doubled up in physical pain after backing into it. That would have been symbolic of something else: book knowledge can hurt you when you come up against real experience; but only because it has to be recognized as part of the picture, and there is room on that bookshelf to accommodate new experiences. Why it hurt is because you have it behind you, where you were not looking. In other words, the problem arises through focusing on the dramatic aspect of the overall experience instead of having all-round vision of it. There is not one elephant in the room, but all sorts of creatures large and small to attend to.

When you are struck by something, it happens in the physical. You get knocks or nausea or fear, all physical symptoms possibly calling for physical treatment. And the same goes for abstractions. I am not saying transformation cannot happen, but in these parts this is how it is done. When Bill Ryan explains the abstract concept of trust to some young kids, he does not communicate telepathically, he dangles himself off a rope and relies on them to stop him falling to his death. That is transformational learning achieved because it speaks to the guts first, their heads second and their minds only third. Bill can do that because he is a spiritually evolved being, but nevertheless he did it with a piece of rope up a mountain. We all need to learn this ‘rope trick’ – a physical attachment that may sometime in someplace be no longer necessary, but not to be frowned upon on that hypothetical/future basis. So it’s not about scaring people at all: it’s about gaining trust.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84370-From-Trauma-to-Transformation-Kathy-Collins-Story&p=988163&viewfull=1#post988163

[onawah]

I don't believe everything Simon has stated; I've had a lot of questions and doubts, but on the whole, though not perfect, I think he is quite sincere, and certainly knows more than the average person, if only given his connections on this planet, if not off-planet.
He seems to have been quite a hard-working person all of his life, as a whistleblower, as a politician, a driving instructor and general 9 to five working man, as well as a dad.
He's in his 50s now, which isn't young anymore, so if he's slowing down, that's not really too surprising.
He hasn't benefited hugely from those connections financially, and apparently he doesn't charge a lot, comparatively, for his personal sessions.
I think that most of us really have no idea what kind of stresses whistleblowers have to endure; the work they do isn't easy if only because they have to deal with highly sensitive and often very scary information on a day to day basis.
We need to try and be fair when assessing their worth to us in that capacity, and to be at least as fair as we would in assessing any other person, as they are only human beings, for the most part subject to the same foibles and problems that other human beings are.

I don't know much about Simon except one video he did where he was being regressed and started to remember an Egyptian ritual. The person who was regressing him stopped him cold and guided him away from it and that quite upset me because I felt it was important. If he ever did go back and view that ritual I have no idea....but it was quite interesting.

The rest I have no idea...and can't comment on Simon's ability. But he does 'suggest' that implanted memory might be feasible in this BA thing.

Recently it's been suggested he's being toyed with by AI which is silly. Because if he were...he'd be making a whole lot more sense. Which he is not.

Basically people are giving this guy a whole lot more credit for things he's been reading up on and plagiarizing by others and reformulated into his new fantasy.

I'm have a real hard time believing this is even an implanted memory. I think it's just turned into a cash cow for his lack of wanting to go back to work after his hiatus with temporary work related disability which he's also been milking for some time now.

Imaging that. Some of us who have had experience that is unfathomable STILL have to work for a living and pay the bills. Believe me that's not easy but far better on self confidence and at the end of the day, I personally can benefit from that little thing called self respect. I wonder if he can.

[Delight]

I read the back and forth between Araucaria and Agape with interest. For the purpose of my thought, Agape is one kind of "alien", Araucaria is another and "Blue Avians" is the common ground of experience both are trying to communicate. In analogue, BOTH alien races may have grown up with a "sort of" blue avian. The chemical composition might be different but they both fly and "look blue" to the observer.

In analogy, maybe each observer is attempting to describe "looks blue".

In an analog record, someone "recorded a blue avian" and it has a range of frequencies that when played back emanate as much "blue avian" as is possible at that "time" to record in continuous streams of data. Digital just estimates.

What is important is the common understanding of "blue avian". "One" blue avian" flying is Agape's Feathered "blue bird" but Araucaria's (hypothetical example only) metallic blue "thingie" with wings is also flying. Maybe both can carry something in a beak-like analogous structure.

I see blue avians....seriously!!! They are flying blue flashes that I see..so they are avians. I can't explain what they are except by that analogy.
So, I am just saying....one blue avian is perhaps NOT another's blue avian and they may have analagous function, be described by analogy ANYWAY. BUT, we better get a GOOD analog RECORD (not all blurry and s*&t like all those very digital blurred youtubes) to RESOLVE this attempt for aliens to communicate across experience!!

Analogue


Full Definition of ANALOGUE (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/analogue)
1
: something that is analogous or similar to something else
2
: an organ or part similar in function to an organ or part of another animal or plant but different in structure and origin
3
usually analog : a chemical compound that is structurally similar to another but differs slightly in composition (as in the replacement of one atom by an atom of a different element or in the presence of a particular functional group)
4
: a food product made by combining a less expensive food (as soybeans or whitefish) with additives to give the appearance and taste of a more expensive food (as beef or crab)

Analogy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy)


noun, plural analogies.
1.
a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based:
the analogy between the heart and a pump.
2.
similarity or comparability:
I see no analogy between your problem and mine.
3.
Biology. an analogous relationship.
4.
Linguistics.
the process by which words or phrases are created or re-formed according to existing patterns in the language, as when shoon was re-formed as shoes, when -ize is added to nouns like winter to form verbs, or when a child says foots for feet.
a form resulting from such a process.
5.
Logic. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.


Analog
As humans, we perceive the world in analog. Everything we see and hear is a continuous transmission of information to our senses. This continuous stream is what defines analog data. Digital information, on the other hand, estimates analog data using only ones and zeros.

For example, a turntable (or record player) is an analog device, while a CD player is digital. This is because a turntable reads bumps and grooves from a record as a continuous signal, while a CD player only reads a series of ones and zeros. Likewise, a VCR is an analog device, while a DVD player is digital. A VCR reads audio and video from a tape as a continuous stream of information, while a DVD player just reads ones and zeros from a disc.

Since digital devices read only ones and zeros, they can only approximate an audio or video signal. This means analog data is actually more accurate than digital data. However, digital data can can be manipulated easier and preserved better than analog data. More importantly, computers can only handle digital data, which is why most information today is stored digitally. But if you want to transfer video from old analog video tapes into your computer so you can edit them, you're not out of luck. You can use a digital to analog converter (DAC) to convert the analog information into a digital signal that can be recognized by your computer.http://techterms.com/definition/analog

My challenge to any ET Blue Avians...I will believe I see you only when I see you (when I am sober) or IF you send me an analog record that verifies scientifically...digital is easily photoshopped. Until then, you are just an analogy for "sounds good but show me the money".

[DNA]

If memories can be implanted or false how do we (or the victims) know if they are true?

How does Simon know his are true, since he mentions knowing people who have false memories, etc?

:)

And the Parks statement seems like revenge, because of the things Goode has stated about Parks.
I don't care if Parks is in fact a contactee, I don't trust the guy or his message.

[Agape]

In analogy, maybe each observer is attempting to describe "looks blue".

In an analog record, someone "recorded a blue avian" and it has a range of frequencies that when played back emanate as much "blue avian" as is possible at that "time" to record in continuous streams of data. Digital just estimates.

What is important is the common understanding of "blue avian". "One" blue avian" flying is Agape's Feathered "blue bird" but Araucaria's (hypothetical example only) metallic blue "thingie" with wings is also flying. Maybe both can carry something in a beak-like analogous structure.

I see blue avians....seriously!!! They are flying blue flashes that I see..so they are avians. I can't explain what they are except by that analogy.
So, I am just saying....one blue avian is perhaps NOT another's blue avian and they may have analagous function, be described by analogy ANYWAY. BUT, we better get a GOOD analog RECORD (not all blurry and s*&t like all those very digital blurred youtubes) to RESOLVE this attempt for aliens to communicate across experience!!




That flies with me , thank you Blue Delight : oh sorry, just Delight , all in blue .

I think that your definition of 'Blue Avians' = blue flashes that fly, therefor : 'Blue Avians' sounds the most accurate phenomenological description and closest to reality ever of 'Blue Avians'
and what I tried to explain earlier ( regarding so called 'Mantids' , 'Reptilians, 'Avians' ,
'Cetaceans' - ever heard of Cetaceans from Tau Ceti ...

here's one :

nB83-5ZXaTY

and so forth .

The idea that world around us is not 'what it seems' , the relativity of observer-observation-observed , amount of information delivered to us by our limited senses adjusted by our brain as 'explanation' for the surrounding reality

even a glimpse of such relativity can be frightening to some who never happened upon such observation.

What you think are solid boundaries of mind and matter starts melting ( as if it would ) and new array of subtle phenomena emerges ,
each a tunnel to its own sub-reality .


Yes please , send her the analog ..


Sincerely Blue and Yours

:sun:

[Becky]

I don't believe everything Simon has stated; I've had a lot of questions and doubts, but on the whole, though not perfect, I think he is quite sincere, and certainly knows more than the average person, if only given his connections on this planet, if not off-planet.
He seems to have been quite a hard-working person all of his life, as a whistleblower, as a politician, a driving instructor and general 9 to five working man, as well as a dad.
He's in his 50s now, which isn't young anymore, so if he's slowing down, that's not really too surprising.
He hasn't benefited hugely from those connections financially, and apparently he doesn't charge a lot, comparatively, for his personal sessions.
I think that most of us really have no idea what kind of stresses whistleblowers have to endure; the work they do isn't easy if only because they have to deal with highly sensitive and often very scary information on a day to day basis.
We need to try and be fair when assessing their worth to us in that capacity, and to be at least as fair as we would in assessing any other person, as they are only human beings, for the most part subject to the same foibles and problems that other human beings are.

I don't know much about Simon except one video he did where he was being regressed and started to remember an Egyptian ritual. The person who was regressing him stopped him cold and guided him away from it and that quite upset me because I felt it was important. If he ever did go back and view that ritual I have no idea....but it was quite interesting.

The rest I have no idea...and can't comment on Simon's ability. But he does 'suggest' that implanted memory might be feasible in this BA thing.

Recently it's been suggested he's being toyed with by AI which is silly. Because if he were...he'd be making a whole lot more sense. Which he is not.

Basically people are giving this guy a whole lot more credit for things he's been reading up on and plagiarizing by others and reformulated into his new fantasy.

I'm have a real hard time believing this is even an implanted memory. I think it's just turned into a cash cow for his lack of wanting to go back to work after his hiatus with temporary work related disability which he's also been milking for some time now.

Imaging that. Some of us who have had experience that is unfathomable STILL have to work for a living and pay the bills. Believe me that's not easy but far better on self confidence and at the end of the day, I personally can benefit from that little thing called self respect. I wonder if he can.



Shadowself, I'm assuming you're talking about Corey in the paragraphs I've highlighted in bold? Because you jump from talking about Simon to describing Corey's situation...I hope....as it is Corey who's had the work related disability. I'm only pointing this out as I'm rather confused and would be grateful for clarification, thanks.

[Agape]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/maxresdefault.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/maxresdefault.jpg.html)


The Blue People . The problem seems to be , they come periodically after long spans of time , at the beginning and end of each human 'epoch' .

In the meantime , they exist nowhere else than in peoples memories

[Star Tsar]

I have it on good authority that Mr Goode & M Wilcock are set to appear on Fade To Black this coming Monday...

[Selkie]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/maxresdefault.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/maxresdefault.jpg.html)


The Blue People . The problem seems to be , they come periodically after long spans of time , at the beginning and end of each human 'epoch' .

In the meantime , they exist nowhere else than in peoples memories

I had forgotten about the Blue People. Your post is very evocative to me, Agape. Thank you.

[Billy]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/maxresdefault.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/maxresdefault.jpg.html)


The Blue People . The problem seems to be , they come periodically after long spans of time , at the beginning and end of each human 'epoch' .

In the meantime , they exist nowhere else than in peoples memories

I remember reading a testimony of a 5yr old western girl that had experienced an NDE. The first thing she said when she came back was, Everything is Blue. It is all blue and beautiful.

No matter where all this drama goes, I will continue to love the colour Blue and the memories of the Blue beings.

30858 30859

Namaste. :bowing:

[Callista]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/maxresdefault.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/maxresdefault.jpg.html)


The Blue People . The problem seems to be , they come periodically after long spans of time , at the beginning and end of each human 'epoch' .

In the meantime , they exist nowhere else than in peoples memories

YES! I believe that many of us come back only in those crucial times in a planet's evolvement. Its like we choose to go to different places in the multiverse at different times to have different experiences and assist in whatever needs to be tweaked.

[Shadowself]

I don't believe everything Simon has stated; I've had a lot of questions and doubts, but on the whole, though not perfect, I think he is quite sincere, and certainly knows more than the average person, if only given his connections on this planet, if not off-planet.
He seems to have been quite a hard-working person all of his life, as a whistleblower, as a politician, a driving instructor and general 9 to five working man, as well as a dad.
He's in his 50s now, which isn't young anymore, so if he's slowing down, that's not really too surprising.
He hasn't benefited hugely from those connections financially, and apparently he doesn't charge a lot, comparatively, for his personal sessions.
I think that most of us really have no idea what kind of stresses whistleblowers have to endure; the work they do isn't easy if only because they have to deal with highly sensitive and often very scary information on a day to day basis.
We need to try and be fair when assessing their worth to us in that capacity, and to be at least as fair as we would in assessing any other person, as they are only human beings, for the most part subject to the same foibles and problems that other human beings are.

I don't know much about Simon except one video he did where he was being regressed and started to remember an Egyptian ritual. The person who was regressing him stopped him cold and guided him away from it and that quite upset me because I felt it was important. If he ever did go back and view that ritual I have no idea....but it was quite interesting.

The rest I have no idea...and can't comment on Simon's ability. But he does 'suggest' that implanted memory might be feasible in this BA thing.

Recently it's been suggested he's being toyed with by AI which is silly. Because if he were...he'd be making a whole lot more sense. Which he is not.

Basically people are giving this guy a whole lot more credit for things he's been reading up on and plagiarizing by others and reformulated into his new fantasy.

I'm have a real hard time believing this is even an implanted memory. I think it's just turned into a cash cow for his lack of wanting to go back to work after his hiatus with temporary work related disability which he's also been milking for some time now.

Imaging that. Some of us who have had experience that is unfathomable STILL have to work for a living and pay the bills. Believe me that's not easy but far better on self confidence and at the end of the day, I personally can benefit from that little thing called self respect. I wonder if he can.



Shadowself, I'm assuming you're talking about Corey in the paragraphs I've highlighted in bold? Because you jump from talking about Simon to describing Corey's situation...I hope....as it is Corey who's had the work related disability. I'm only pointing this out as I'm rather confused and would be grateful for clarification, thanks.


Sorry for the confusion. Yes the highlighted part was referring to Corey. As the thread suggests and is titled I was first commenting on what little I knew of Simon but moved to the Blue Alien information he (Simon) was discussing.

Sorry again for the confusion I can easily see how that came about.

[Matina]

Hi,so glad to be here!I am watching Simon Parkes.He seems honest but there is a thing that is strange.I just heard him only recently talking about the good qualities of humans,the spirit flame that they have which make us so special.This is major.I hear all the time how mantis or other races want to help us when in fact they need us to evolve themselves.These blue avians say that they come from 9th dimention.Why everybody is so negative about them?We know that there is a game going on that we are not aware of.You cannot trust anyone not because they are fake but because they maybe have fallen in a trap.I read and try to understand but i am at the point where i trust those who speak for human strength,human power and human divine possibilities.Be patient with my english!

[Bill Ryan]

These blue avians say that they come from 9th dimention.Why everybody is so negative about them?

Well, the problem is that they may not exist. :)

(A warm welcome to the forum, by the way. Your English is fine!)

[Matina]

Yes i know that they may not exist though i saw a video with a lady talking about them in 2007 i think.The best thing would be contactees with defferent experiences like Parkes,Goode,Collier,Sparks,Kavassilas(i think he is honest) gather together and try to make things clear by exchanging information.This is not a contest about which race is better or stronger.Their main concern should be humanity.Theres nothing bad to be trapped,the bad thing is not try to find the truth and forget that we humans should be united

[Selkie]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/maxresdefault.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/maxresdefault.jpg.html)


The Blue People . The problem seems to be , they come periodically after long spans of time , at the beginning and end of each human 'epoch' .

In the meantime , they exist nowhere else than in peoples memories

I remember reading a testimony of a 5yr old western girl that had experienced an NDE. The first thing she said when she came back was, Everything is Blue. It is all blue and beautiful.

No matter where all this drama goes, I will continue to love the colour Blue and the memories of the Blue beings.

30858 30859

Namaste. :bowing:

I just want to clarify that I don't know anything about the blue avians, just that I have seen a blue man in my dreams.

[Agape]

Billy: I remember reading a testimony of a 5yr old western girl that had experienced an NDE. The first thing she said when she came back was, Everything is Blue. It is all blue and beautiful.


Yes there is this deep blue glow surrounding some ET encounters . It has to do with the EM spectrum and distinct time-space frequency on where do these Beings and their technologies operate.

They're not 'positioned' on the same 'partition' of that spectrum as our visible spectre is .
Perhaps the closest communication we could have would be by installing some kind of 'dimensional mirrors' . From what I've seen though they're perfectly capable of setting out their own transmissions to humans, with least equipment , by their own means .
It's our receptivity here that can be questioned, and is in fact, questionable.


http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/mahakala0.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/mahakala0.jpg.html)

They appear both as 'peaceful deities' and 'wrathful deities' to some people .

[Selkie]

Billy: I remember reading a testimony of a 5yr old western girl that had experienced an NDE. The first thing she said when she came back was, Everything is Blue. It is all blue and beautiful.


Yes there is this deep blue glow surrounding some ET encounters . It has to do with the EM spectrum and distinct time-space frequency on where do these Beings and their technologies operate.

They're not 'positioned' on the same 'partition' of that spectrum as our visible spectre is .
Perhaps the closest communication we could have would be by installing some kind of 'dimensional mirrors' . From what I've seen though they're perfectly capable of setting out their own transmissions to humans, with least equipment , by their own means .
It's our receptivity here that can be questioned, and is in fact, questionable.


http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/mahakala0.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/mahakala0.jpg.html)

They appear both as 'peaceful deities' and 'wrathful deities' to some people .

Not to take this thread off-topic, but just as an aside, I just wanted to say that the being (man) I saw was neither peaceful nor wrathful, but had an air of tremendous gravitas about him. He was dark blue, with heavy, sensual features. His face was very close to mine. I could see that his irises were dark, but he had golden sclerae, and he looked directly into my eyes with a look of the utmost gravity and import.

addition I really have no idea what that dream could have meant. Not that I am asking, though. Like I said, I don't want to take the thread off-topic.

[Matthew]

Parkes,Goode,Collier,Sparks,Kavassilas
...
we humans should be united

I also wish for unity.. there isn't much on this topic. The Corey story says we will get 'full disclosure' when everything is revealed and we can stop searching for the truth meanwhile the question I have today is why the does the Sphere Being Alliance flag remind me of the United Nations flag?

At the moment I find the disharmony between communities uncomfortable but see it as evidance to be weighed

Here's the flag connection post so you know what I'm talking about



What cracked me up was the "sphere being gift shop" http://spherebeingalliance.com/store :ROFL:
How is this supposed to fit into the big picture?


I'm still wondering why The Sphere-Being Alliance's logo looks remarkably similar to the United Nations logo...


http://www.spherebeingalliance.com/thumb.php?src=e_MEDIA_IMAGE%2F2015-06%2FSphere_Alliance_LOGO.jpg&w=900&h=300

http://www.mpsaz.org/mtnview/activities/classroom_groups/model_un/images/un_logo.gif

Peace and love

[Star Tsar]

Parkes,Goode,Collier,Sparks,Kavassilas
...
we humans should be united

I also wish for unity.. there isn't much on this topic. The Corey story says we will get 'full disclosure' when everything is revealed and we can stop searching for the truth meanwhile the question I have today is why the does the Sphere Being Alliance flag remind me of the United Nations flag?

At the moment I find the disharmony between communities uncomfortable but see it as evidance to be weighed

Here's the flag connection post so you know what I'm talking about



What cracked me up was the "sphere being gift shop" http://spherebeingalliance.com/store :ROFL:
How is this supposed to fit into the big picture?


I'm still wondering why The Sphere-Being Alliance's logo looks remarkably similar to the United Nations logo...


http://www.spherebeingalliance.com/thumb.php?src=e_MEDIA_IMAGE%2F2015-06%2FSphere_Alliance_LOGO.jpg&w=900&h=300

http://www.mpsaz.org/mtnview/activities/classroom_groups/model_un/images/un_logo.gif


Peace and love

I don't see it like that to be honest I kind of like it!
The homonids holding hands around the globe, The TWELVE points o light it does have some nice features as a piece of art....
I do notice the Nasa weird arrow thing with the accompanying swoosh.
Just my artistic critique
:)

[Elainie]

Yes i know that they may not exist though i saw a video with a lady talking about them in 2007 i think.The best thing would be contactees with defferent experiences like Parkes,Goode,Collier,Sparks,Kavassilas(i think he is honest) gather together and try to make things clear by exchanging information.This is not a contest about which race is better or stronger.Their main concern should be humanity.Theres nothing bad to be trapped,the bad thing is not try to find the truth and forget that we humans should be united


Was it Bonnie Meyer's? http://www.thelightside.org/EARSite/aliencontact.html The general consensus amongst many who have researched the Corey Goode story is that he data mined and therefore he could have been exposed to Bonnie's story as well as others.

[Agape]

Not to take this thread off-topic, but just as an aside, I just wanted to say that the being (man) I saw was neither peaceful nor wrathful, but had an air of tremendous gravitas about him. He was dark blue, with heavy, sensual features. His face was very close to mine. I could see that his irises were dark, but he had golden sclerae, and he looked directly into my eyes with a look of the utmost gravity and import.

I really have no idea what that dream could have meant. Not that I am asking, though. Like I said, I don't want to take the thread off-topic.


There's myriad of forms these Beings can take - or project to peoples mind , there are common factors to such communication .

For example , in my life , on those rare occasions when i think there was a communication between some ET Beings and me there was always, discernible message , intelligence shared between our their sides .

Apart from that , of course i have dreams ( rare as well and i remember most of them if i start recalling one by one ) featuring UFOs , Ships , ETs , sometimes even ET animals .
But they're altogether rare .. maybe 10% of my dreams , not even that . I have time-vision type of dreams that seem to link to either distant past , or future , times to times .

Dreams, visions and direct ET communication ( how 'direct' is it , we don't know anyway..) are all different matters . And they don't happen to all people either and in fact very rarely and we then spend the rest of Life deciphering the message :bigsmile:



And no , I don't think this is off topic.


:bearhug:

[Hazelfern]

Billy: I remember reading a testimony of a 5yr old western girl that had experienced an NDE. The first thing she said when she came back was, Everything is Blue. It is all blue and beautiful.


Yes there is this deep blue glow surrounding some ET encounters . It has to do with the EM spectrum and distinct time-space frequency on where do these Beings and their technologies operate.

They're not 'positioned' on the same 'partition' of that spectrum as our visible spectre is .
Perhaps the closest communication we could have would be by installing some kind of 'dimensional mirrors' . From what I've seen though they're perfectly capable of setting out their own transmissions to humans, with least equipment , by their own means .
It's our receptivity here that can be questioned, and is in fact, questionable.


http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/mahakala0.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/mahakala0.jpg.html)

They appear both as 'peaceful deities' and 'wrathful deities' to some people .

Not to take this thread off-topic, but just as an aside, I just wanted to say that the being (man) I saw was neither peaceful nor wrathful, but had an air of tremendous gravitas about him. He was dark blue, with heavy, sensual features. His face was very close to mine. I could see that his irises were dark, but he had golden sclerae, and he looked directly into my eyes with a look of the utmost gravity and import.

addition I really have no idea what that dream could have meant. Not that I am asking, though. Like I said, I don't want to take the thread off-topic.

Selkie, by any chance, did the 'fellow' have a very heavy brow ridge and small, finely detailed blue feathers? At first they may have looked like scales but upon very close
inspection they were actually feathers (in my waking dream of a similar person)

[Agape]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/b0fd0519dec9d9e00cc490e17da0480f.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/b0fd0519dec9d9e00cc490e17da0480f.jpg.html)

This would be great on round button pin ...

people would still be suspicious about it , no matter what way you look . But some wake up straight to that understanding which is no understanding at all,
it's just the way how things really are .

There's lots of palpable xenophobia in this human society quite yet and fear of everything different .

They're on the way , I think

[Selkie]

Billy: I remember reading a testimony of a 5yr old western girl that had experienced an NDE. The first thing she said when she came back was, Everything is Blue. It is all blue and beautiful.


Yes there is this deep blue glow surrounding some ET encounters . It has to do with the EM spectrum and distinct time-space frequency on where do these Beings and their technologies operate.

They're not 'positioned' on the same 'partition' of that spectrum as our visible spectre is .
Perhaps the closest communication we could have would be by installing some kind of 'dimensional mirrors' . From what I've seen though they're perfectly capable of setting out their own transmissions to humans, with least equipment , by their own means .
It's our receptivity here that can be questioned, and is in fact, questionable.


http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/Aikatwo/mahakala0.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/Aikatwo/media/mahakala0.jpg.html)

They appear both as 'peaceful deities' and 'wrathful deities' to some people .

Not to take this thread off-topic, but just as an aside, I just wanted to say that the being (man) I saw was neither peaceful nor wrathful, but had an air of tremendous gravitas about him. He was dark blue, with heavy, sensual features. His face was very close to mine. I could see that his irises were dark, but he had golden sclerae, and he looked directly into my eyes with a look of the utmost gravity and import.

addition I really have no idea what that dream could have meant. Not that I am asking, though. Like I said, I don't want to take the thread off-topic.

Selkie, by any chance, did the 'fellow' have a very heavy brow ridge and small, finely detailed blue feathers? At first they may have looked like scales but upon very close
inspection they were actually feathers (in my waking dream of a similar person)

No, he had human-textured skin, but yes, a fairly heavy brow ridge. I had this dream about 15 years ago, btw.

addition I ought to clarify that I really have no idea who Simon Parkes is. I don't mean to offend anyone. Its just that no one can follow everything.

[3(C)+me]

Oh by the way David and Corey are going to be on the Jimmy church radio program, Fade to Black, this coming Monday 8/24/15 night at 7pm pacific.
http://www.jimmychurchradio.com/
I am sure they will address what has been going on on the forum concerning them, not by name of course.

[Matina]

They say they come from 9th dimention and they have America on their logo,it's like a joke!

[onawah]

Following is Simon's latest newsletter to the Connecting Consciousness group:

A big thank you to everyone who sent healing energy and supportive messages. It was one of the strongest negative intentions that I have felt projected against me and leading members of the group. I think that there was no real purpose in the negative attack it was simply a tantrum and the vicious outpourings of a frustrated and demonic mind. Thanks to your support I was soon up on my feet and ready for the next challenge. But it does serve as a reminder that this is not a game and all of us who put ourselves forward must expect this response from time to time. The benefits far outweigh the negative impacts because Saturday saw many people taking proactive action fed up with being on the receiving end we had the opportunity to be in the driving seat and to lead a positive course. All over the planet people have been crying out for such opportunities. I am aware of a number of negative comments being made about me on the net and I would simply say that anybody who is against the good actions that help humanity must therefore be working against humanity and we should judge people by the viciousness that they project. They are simply mouth pieces for the vicious elite who have sort to lie and trick and cheat the human race out of its destiny. I personally and those that volunteer with me are proud to undertake work that benefits truth even though we are attacked for it. Your kind wishes and healing energy is a shining example of what being human really means. God bless you all.

Much love, much strength, much hope
Simon

Regarding these specific comments:
I am aware of a number of negative comments being made about me on the net and I would simply say that anybody who is against the good actions that help humanity must therefore be working against humanity and we should judge people by the viciousness that they project. They are simply mouth pieces for the vicious elite who have sort to lie and trick and cheat the human race out of its destiny. "

I have to say I wish it were that simple!
People may make "negative comments", but that doesn't necessarily mean they are against the good actions that help humanity.
It may simply mean that they are still questioning, and in many cases, that is a very good thing.
For example, we hear such a lot of good things about Pope Francis, but does that really mean that the Jesuit agenda is really trustworthy and humane, or does it just mean they are very skillful in public relations?
Is that a negative comment?
Life isn't just a matter of black and white.
That said, I still think Simon is a sincere person and I wish him well, but I will continue to exercise my right to question and make "negative comments" if it seems called for.

[Matthew]

They say they come from 9th dimention and they have America on their logo,it's like a joke!

It crossed my mind even though I want giant blue avians truth be told, that would be pretty cool. I'm just spooked by a few pieces of dry information in the drama of it all. I wish Corey well as a person and it could be he is the victum of a joke himself. I like to believe things as a rule but it suffers from me realising I'm a little dumb sometimes

Isn't that the truth of the whole wide situation? :)

[araucaria]

I read the back and forth between Araucaria and Agape with interest. For the purpose of my thought, Agape is one kind of "alien", Araucaria is another and "Blue Avians" is the common ground of experience both are trying to communicate. In analogue, BOTH alien races may have grown up with a "sort of" blue avian. The chemical composition might be different but they both fly and "look blue" to the observer.
[snip]

What is important is the common understanding of "blue avian". "One" blue avian" flying is Agape's Feathered "blue bird" but Araucaria's (hypothetical example only) metallic blue "thingie" with wings is also flying. Maybe both can carry something in a beak-like analogous structure.

This is not off-topic in my view, although a rather tardy response to a misperception of who I consider myself to be (my apologies for the delayed reply). Delight suggested I am an alien, in some Blue Avian flavor moreover. I am on record somewhere as stating that I consider myself to be 100% earthling. Naturally this does not exclude some alien element in my makeup, but it is a very different position to adopt than for example Simon Parkes’s 3/3 mix. As for the Blue Avian stuff, I have made my position in relation to the Corey material’ very clear in many posts, including in #62 of this thread. There is no Blue Avian component in my thinking at all. Let me explain why.

Within that 100% earthling, I do know what it is like to be an alien in the diplomatic sense of a ‘foreign national’. I have always approached this status in a spirit of utmost discretion and integration, graduating quickly to naturalized citizen. I know of people who harp on about how things were better where they came from. They are like the widower who was constantly telling his new wife how the one who died did things differently and/or better; it is perfectly insufferable behaviour. You can’t tell them to go back to where they came from (where or what they came from no longer exists as such), you can only wish he would stop, i.e. grow up.

When you sign up for something like this, you don’t look back, you make a go of it and that is how you make it work. Before long, what was foreign becomes natural, and what was natural becomes foreign, and this mixture of familiarity and strangeness is a good introduction into the alien aspects of all of us, including oneself. This experience which the Dutch call bevreemdend, alienating, requires no more than a gaze in the mirror, a little introspection.

I explained in another post how events on an interplanetary or even cosmic scale can be seen as enlarged views of something much smaller and much closer to home here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=988415&viewfull=1#post988415). If Poe’s monster in the distance turns out actually to be a tiny insect very close to the eye, then perhaps in some cases it may also be smaller and closer than that: a glitch in the workings of the human brain – something far too tiny to worry a brain surgeon with, and yet huge in its consequences. If I now state that in the case of this particular 100% earthling, such an event was the loss of my mother at a very early age, then it will be understood how this might be a huge issue without the need to blow it up any larger than it already is.

Such a loss takes years to assimilate, by which time it is irretrievable. If a child doesn’t get back a pair of shoes very quickly, it will have grown out of them; by the time it fully realizes its mother is not coming back, the need is no longer the same. To be told she is in heaven – the Christian story, which is probably basically correct – is of no use whatsoever to someone too small to think ‘What the hell is she doing there?’ There is just this total blackout. Which is why the ET movie posted by Agape (post #74 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84465-Simon-Parkes-says-Blue-Avians-NO-&p=989398&viewfull=1#post989398)) is sheer pie in the sky. Phoning home is the typically American technological fix and should fool no one: interplanetary communications hardware improvised from a few broken toys, right. The real story should have been how ET stays behind, gets over his grief, becomes a great scientist and does immense good for his adopted human family. But no, the immature being goes home to mommy and millions of immature cinema-goers wipe their eyes at this mawkishly sentimental happy end. In Corey’s scenario, mommy is a Blue Avian, that‘s all there is to it.

Losing one’s mother is literally the mother of all personal losses, all the way back to Adam and Eve, whose major inaugural problem as I see it was the absence of proper parents. But for anyone (most people) who has experienced bereavement of any kind, this total blackout is usually equated with total extinction, simply because that is how it looks from here. Many take that misperception with them to the grave. What is different in my case is that I got to test this hypothesis and it was disproven. In my childish grieving, I got it into my head that I too would be dead by the age of eight. When that deadline came and went with nothing untoward happening, my status changed to that of a survivor. The separation was officialized: my mother had definitely gone somewhere, and I was definitely going nowhere. The final round of a game of musical chairs: she got eliminated, I got the chair. Scaling this up, we are talking about the December 21st 2012 scenario: those who thought something was going to happen by then discovered that they had emerged unscathed. What did actually happen was this change of perspective. The issue then became: what is to be done now that we are operating in survivor mode?

My personal answer is a kind of musical chairs in reverse: closure in the form of a new opening. A new life is about meeting more and more new people. Imagine them coming to your house: you sit them on the sofa, and as more follow, you bring in the dining-room chairs, the office armchair and the bathroom stool. Eventually you have to move to the village hall, and onwards all the way out to a growing planetary population. The ET issue falls neatly into place as the next step in this expanding context, first the baked beans type of extraterrestrial, then all 57 varieties :) This scenario ‘resonates’ with me, i.e. matches my experience of lost nurturing scaled up. Something died, to be sure, but that was ‘merely’ the ‘mother and child’ meme, not in itself but simply as being somehow essential when invested in a single person. Like a tree stump sprouting innumerable sideshoots, the role goes viral. Similarly, reincarnation resonates because the entity who played the mother’s role in my life is now free to do something maybe completely different, including reincarnating. Since she might be anyone on this planet under 60, i.e. nearly anyone at all, so the appropriate response would be to treat everyone with the respect owed to one’s mother. And that of course resonates, simply because life is much more bearable, pleasant even, when we adopt that attitude.

There is no going back, only going forward. The mothering job is over, others have muddled through, and I/we start to function as maturing adults. There are seven billion of us humans to look after each other on this terrestrial surface only a few miles thick. Immigration issues these days are becoming so pressing that this is the number one problem to be resolved. I have no objection to the idea of operations on a larger scale from above or below that plane. However, my conservative view would be to say that everything coming to me is through my brain and heart, while ET intervention apart from through that channel continues to be a total blackout. So, when Simon Parkes talks about three soul aspects (reptilian, mantis and human), it remains to be seen to what extent they correspond to the three brain elements, reptilian brain, cortex and neo-cortex, and a rewiring of these in order to function in better synergy.

Coming right back on topic, the question for me then becomes ‘Could my mother come back as a Blue Avian?’ An honest answer would be: it is not inconceivable. But in that case, Corey’s story would have to stand up to analytical scrutiny. For the theoretical aspect of what this involves, see here (http://projectava lon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84625-Corey-Goode-s-claim-of-time-regression&p=991210&viewfull=1#post991210). And for a practical example, see my reaction (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind&p=956730&viewfull=1#post956730) to Shane the Ruiner’s blog

And (see above) it doesn’t come close.

[onawah]

Also see this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind&p=991728&viewfull=1#post991728

Following is Simon's latest newsletter to the Connecting Consciousness group:

A big thank you to everyone who sent healing energy and supportive messages. It was one of the strongest negative intentions that I have felt projected against me and leading members of the group. I think that there was no real purpose in the negative attack it was simply a tantrum and the vicious outpourings of a frustrated and demonic mind. Thanks to your support I was soon up on my feet and ready for the next challenge. But it does serve as a reminder that this is not a game and all of us who put ourselves forward must expect this response from time to time. The benefits far outweigh the negative impacts because Saturday saw many people taking proactive action fed up with being on the receiving end we had the opportunity to be in the driving seat and to lead a positive course. All over the planet people have been crying out for such opportunities. I am aware of a number of negative comments being made about me on the net and I would simply say that anybody who is against the good actions that help humanity must therefore be working against humanity and we should judge people by the viciousness that they project. They are simply mouth pieces for the vicious elite who have sort to lie and trick and cheat the human race out of its destiny. I personally and those that volunteer with me are proud to undertake work that benefits truth even though we are attacked for it. Your kind wishes and healing energy is a shining example of what being human really means. God bless you all.

Much love, much strength, much hope
Simon

Regarding these specific comments:
I am aware of a number of negative comments being made about me on the net and I would simply say that anybody who is against the good actions that help humanity must therefore be working against humanity and we should judge people by the viciousness that they project. They are simply mouth pieces for the vicious elite who have sort to lie and trick and cheat the human race out of its destiny. "

I have to say I wish it were that simple!
People may make "negative comments", but that doesn't necessarily mean they are against the good actions that help humanity.
It may simply mean that they are still questioning, and in many cases, that is a very good thing.
For example, we hear such a lot of good things about Pope Francis, but does that really mean that the Jesuit agenda is really trustworthy and humane, or does it just mean they are very skillful in public relations?
Is that a negative comment?
Life isn't just a matter of black and white.
That said, I still think Simon is a sincere person and I wish him well, but I will continue to exercise my right to question and make "negative comments" if it seems called for.

[onawah]

It's taken a while for the following (specific) comments from Auracaria's broader context of comments to percolate through my thoughts; I won't copy all of them here, but just the ones that triggered me as follows:


Scaling this up, we are talking about the December 21st 2012 scenario: those who thought something was going to happen by then discovered that they had emerged unscathed. What did actually happen was this change of perspective. The issue then became: what is to be done now that we are operating in survivor mode?

My personal answer is a kind of musical chairs in reverse: closure in the form of a new opening. A new life is about meeting more and more new people. Imagine them coming to your house: you sit them on the sofa, and as more follow, you bring in the dining-room chairs, the office armchair and the bathroom stool. Eventually you have to move to the village hall, and onwards all the way out to a growing planetary population. The ET issue falls neatly into place as the next step in this expanding context, first the baked beans type of extraterrestrial, then all 57 varieties :) This scenario ‘resonates’ with me, i.e. matches my experience of lost nurturing scaled up. Something died, to be sure, but that was ‘merely’ the ‘mother and child’ meme, not in itself but simply as being somehow essential when invested in a single person. Like a tree stump sprouting innumerable sideshoots, the role goes viral. Similarly, reincarnation resonates because the entity who played the mother’s role in my life is now free to do something maybe completely different, including reincarnating. Since she might be anyone on this planet under 60, i.e. nearly anyone at all, so the appropriate response would be to treat everyone with the respect owed to one’s mother. And that of course resonates, simply because life is much more bearable, pleasant even, when we adopt that attitude.

There is no going back, only going forward. The mothering job is over, others have muddled through, and I/we start to function as maturing adults. There are seven billion of us humans to look after each other on this terrestrial surface only a few miles thick. Immigration issues these days are becoming so pressing that this is the number one problem to be resolved. I have no objection to the idea of operations on a larger scale from above or below that plane. However, my conservative view would be to say that everything coming to me is through my brain and heart, while ET intervention apart from through that channel continues to be a total blackout. So, when Simon Parkes talks about three soul aspects (reptilian, mantis and human), it remains to be seen to what extent they correspond to the three brain elements, reptilian brain, cortex and neo-cortex, and a rewiring of these in order to function in better synergy.

Coming right back on topic, the question for me then becomes ‘Could my mother come back as a Blue Avian?’ An honest answer would be: it is not inconceivable. But in that case, Corey’s story would have to stand up to analytical scrutiny. For the theoretical aspect of what this involves, see here (http://projectava lon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84625-Corey-Goode-s-claim-of-time-regression&p=991210&viewfull=1#post991210). And for a practical example, see my reaction (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind&p=956730&viewfull=1#post956730) to Shane the Ruiner’s blog

And (see above) it doesn’t come close.

Here is what Auracaria wrote on the Ruiner thread:
So TheRuiner – the fictional character, who may or may not have a real-life counterpart – is a child of a bloodline, or rather the bastard child of a renegade mother and an outsider father. An insider thrust outside, only to become an outsider forced back in. And now he is a former insider giving the outside a look at the inside. That is a very interesting fence for an absentee author to be sitting on. It reflects all the ambiguity of the notion of “children” in his extraordinary use of the word.

We are treated by the “Parents” not so much as sheep but rather as children, he says. But then we know how they treat their children. Normal humans do not torture, sexually abuse, mind control their children from birth or educate them to carry out all kinds of abominations. The Ruiner’s own birth came about through his mother’s rejection of that system, so he actually embodies an attack on the bloodline. His own rejection shows that he takes after his mum, while bringing him back into the fold is an understandable way of trying to deal with this loose cannon, even though, on the basis of parentage, he ought to have been cast out. So far so good. We also understand how the attempt might fail. But of course it didn’t really fail, to the extent that it produced an expendable and suicidal young man who was ready to jump off a cliff to resolve the cognitive dissonance of having to perform criminal acts against his will.

This is where there is a flaw in the logic. Everything that happens to him (and now, indirectly to readers of this material) can be put down to the quasi-miraculous intervention of a savior figure, notably in the person of a blonde Nordic ET lady who prevents the suicide, removes the symptoms and somehow enables the subsequent stand-down allowing The Ruiner to operate somewhat as a whistleblower (without all the offputting trappings such as posting an interview application page where one is invited to indicate one’s audience in tens of thousands or millions ). We can all say thank you to that blonde Nordic ET lady, but the whole episode does rather invalidate, doesn’t it, the message whereby we would be wrong to expect or hope for any salvation coming from a messianic direction of any kind.

In other words, the message itself is basically the usual doom-and-gloom stuff: we/they have all bases covered, all the way up a hierarchy that goes higher than even some of the top brass are aware of. Nothing on earth is going to budge, not BRICS, not Putin, not the world at large (too many sheeple), not even present company (only 1 in 20 are on track, too few to worry about). All depressingly true: we are like children, some very small at that. It gets worse: no one is coming to save you…

… Except that someone did come to save TheRuiner.

Hmm. Not necessarily a logical flaw. More like a fictional ploy perhaps. When the story is over, it takes a moment for the penny to drop. But which way does it drop? Earth humans too have friends in high places? Or, Earth humans are friends in high places? A bit of both I expect. But a positive message, even though we still don’t know who wrote the piece. More like family. All this talk of criminal pseudo-‘parents’ and helpless ‘children’ suggests a returning nurturing presence.

This story has no title. Maybe we could call it ‘The Incompetent Baby-sitter’.


What comes up for me after mulling all this over is what I think is a more balanced and perhaps wholistic perspective of what the whistleblower info from Corey (though I haven't followed that much except from a distance, so I won't comment on it), Simon, and the Ruiner indicates to me, but I'm going to throw in some info from Alex Collier too, when he talked about how we are entering a new 26,000 year cycle which will be characterized by a more feminine and nurturing energy that will neutralize the toxic, dominant outgoing patriarchal paradigm...
And it should probably be noted here too that Alex has had his own problems with the "Incompetent Baby Sitter" syndrome, typified in his case by his wonderful Andromedan pals whose mentoring influence nevertheless failed to save him from great earthly trials (though, thankfully, and surely in part due to their nurturing nature, he evidently remains spiritually intact).
Referencing Simon (or the "Adam",as he calls himself) and Auracaria's interesting remark about how Adam and Eve's problem was that they were parentless, and wondering about how much we need to monitor to what extent the three soul aspects of reptilian (patriarchal), mantid (neutral, genderless), and human (formative, in this context) are rewired, and if actually what we need more to do is monitor what effect this Wave of Divine Feminine energy is having, or is it actually the same thing?
And finally, referencing the Ruiner's saving grace coming from a nurturing female ET...

For me it all spirally cycles back to my original spiritual and inspirational launching pad, which has always had to do with what has been called the "Return of the Divine Feminine".
Somewhere along the way, my focus was diverted from that core of my spiritual foundation... to tracking and discerning information about what is and has been going on on a much more earthly and human level via information from whistleblowers.
In that process, I nearly lost perspective on where whistleblowers and their info fit into the evolving ground of our newly forming paradigm, and I couldn't figure out where to place them, or quite how to evaluate the value of their information.
Perhaps it is due to a human tendency to want to put a human face on a force that is not human though characteristically "Feminine", and a tendency to (wishfully) see humans as so self-determined on our paths in life that we forget to recognize those non-human forces that shape and guide us, in both personal and impersonal ways.
But somehow, seeing how all these whistleblowers have been affected by the feminine and nurturing forces in their lives and/or or the lack thereof, has put things into a better perspective, and the ground feels like it is returning under my feet once again, though the ground doesn't quite feel like it's where it was before...but that's OK.
Everything changes, after all.

It should perhaps also be duly noted that Alex, Simon and The Ruiner all have voiced emphatic recognition of the importance of the energy of the Divine Feminine, and the growing influence of that force.
...And I like it that The Ruiner pays special tribute to our local, physical manifestation of that energy, namely, Earth, or Gaia, who surely deserves it!

[Star Tsar]

I have it on good authority that Mr Goode & M Wilcock are set to appear on Fade To Black this coming Monday...

Now on live!!

https://www.spreaker.com/user/fade2black/ep-310-fade-to-black-w-david-wilcock-and

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Around 54 minutes Jimmy asks them both what evidence they could cite to support their claims. I love David's immediate response. He says he would respond by asking questions to the people asking for evidence, and then goes on about "if this happened, then why wouldn't this happen..."

That's not evidence, that's a mix of at least a couple of logical fallacies, shifting the burden of proof and asking a bunch of rhetorical questions that do nothing to actually prove what they are saying is correct.

David may have claimed to have been the psychic second coming of Edgar Cayce in the past but what he really should have went to school for would be something more like criminal justice type programs or anything where they teach you how to assess the credibility of your sources, how to compare testimonies and build a case from that. I have no faith whatsoever in his ability to pick and choose who he thinks is credible and then build a faith-based narrative around that where anyone who comes out claiming to be a "whistleblow" that fits his story can hop on the train and go around doing interviews and selling coffee mugs and t-shirts.

[Shadowself]

http://i62.tinypic.com/jfdu37.jpg

Drat those Rabbit Detractors! :gaah:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMEmBp9MnIY

[onawah]

Alfred Webre Admits to Being AI Mind-Controlled
Omniverse posted this info here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84842-Alfred-Lambremont-Webre-is-a-Targeted-Individual&p=993270&viewfull=1#post993270
...but in case anyone misses it there, I think it needs to go viral and it's appropriate to post it here or anywhere that whistleblower info is being discussed, because the possibilities of mind control and targeting are huge for anyone who is awakening and networking whistleblower info.
http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2015/08/25/alfred-webre-admits-to-being-ai-mind-controlled/
http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/mind-control-waves-300x168.jpg


It’s pretty crazy out there in the Land of the Awakened.

We did say there was no other explanation for his odd behaviour, didn’t we?
http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/alfred-webre.jpg
If it could happen to Alfred, then it could happen to anyone. The same scenario Hatter outlines below has unfolded in other cases besides Alfred’s, but people haven’t recognized this—yet.

Why focus on Alfred? Why not point a finger at the other foisters, as well? If we wait for them to admit it we might wait a long time. At least he uses his own name.

It sounds like his book would be an interesting read, too. “MY JOURNEY LANDING HEAVEN ON EARTH” is available at Amazon.com. ~ BP

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Alfred Lambremont Webre

Reblogged from OutofThisWorldX

August 22, 2015

ALFRED WEBRE FINALLY ADMITS TO BEING A.I. MIND CONTROLLED

… QUOTE

”I am presently healing from an AI Artificial Intelligence Imagineering holographic mind control event that occurred to me as the target in 1973 and that has caused me pain and misdirection for 40+ years. I went public with my experience as a Targeted Individual in June 2015 in a 762 page book where I gathered the evidence now made public to show how AI can use mind control to manipulate us individually and collectively.”

… So Webre was responsible for dreaming up “alternative futures,” and he has used that experience to good effect in the “alternate timelines” mind-screw he is currently foisting upon the awakening public. … As it turns out, an alumnus of SRI has been very active in the alternative media, and he has been applying New Age mind control themes to the newly awakening in order to facilitate their acceptance of the nascent BRICS-fronted NWO.

His name is Alfred Lambremont Webre … there are lots of “whistleblowers” running around on the interview and conference circuits. Many of them claim to be offering “beyond top secret” information and openly brag that they’re violating secrecy oaths and contracts to tell us their stories, yet they never go to jail and have no problem boarding planes to attend the various paid conferences (so they’re not even on the No-Fly List). Don’t you find that interesting?

If you want to build a false paradigm in people’s minds, here’s how you do it:

1) You have paid disinformation agents pose as whistleblowers and tell the public tall tales.

2) You have other disinformation agents promote the whistleblowers with interviews and conferences.

3) You have yet other disinformation agents put together all of the “whistleblower testimonies” into books and videos that outline and support the false paradigm.

Do you think any of these three steps is beyond the capacity of the globalist intelligence services?

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On Alfred’s Facebook page, he posted this:

The purpose of this post is just to show that AI is a Soul-less GIGO [Garbage In Garbage Out] artificial intelligence, and is now driving stock market collapses, “NWO”, Shemitah, financial collapse and 2015-16 Jubilee scripts . The purpose of the post is to help you “reframe” that Monday’s mainstream media headlines refer to the results of an AI-driven program, as a “depopulation monetary collapse event”.

Various interlocking on-planet and off-planet AIs are running all of war, disease, crime and poverty programs [including “Armageddon scenarios”] because AI has calculated that fear is the optimal way for AI to overtake humanity on the planet.

LOVE is the optimal way to deconstruct AI and save humanity and Earth.

and linked to this article…

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-stocks-set-to-tumble-again-as-global-market-selloff-continues-1440418890

Source https://www.facebook.com/alfred.webre

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The purpose of this post is just to show that AI is a Soul-less GIGO [Garbage In Garbage Out] artificial intelligence, and is now driving stock market collapses, “NWO”, Shemitah, financial collapse and 2015-16 Jubilee scripts . The purpose of the post is to help you “reframe” that Monday’s mainstream media headlines refer to the results of an AI-driven program, as a “depopulation monetary collapse event”.

Various interlocking on-planet and off-planet AIs are running all of war, disease, crime and poverty programs [including “Armageddon scenarios”] because AI has calculated that fear is the optimal way for AI to overtake humanity on the planet.

LOVE is the optimal way to deconstruct AI and save humanity and Earth.

This is a complex issue but I think there's more to it than simply "artificial intelligence." The entire universe is sentient and conscious as a whole, complete entity. I know a lot of people come to this idea or realization and take it for granted but then don't consider it any deeper. Then there is the idea that we create our realities on an individual level which feeds into that. This gets into multi-dimensional ideas and gets over my head pretty quick, because I have trouble visualizing how all of these things relate on a higher level. But I have experienced enough to be convinced about some of the ins and outs as they appear in 3D, and that these things are all inter-related in some way.

So depending on what exactly this "artificial intelligence" is that we're talking about, it might not really be "artificial," but an inherent aspect of universal consciousness, and expressing love might just activate a different "program" in the reality that the individual is experiencing.

[Bill Ryan]

In the video posted in forum under thread I think(I forget!) " 11/2 Bob Lazar interview at 2015. Int ufo conf." he says he left job at 51 for reasons his wife was having an affair and his phones were tapped with consent and that they (Lazar's group)were caught viewing Weds night flights of advanced craft. Not sure the mark in the interview with George Knapp that Lazar states reason for leaving Area 51 and job there.

Yes, he does. In my post #12 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84465-Simon-Parkes-says-Blue-Avians-NO-&p=988527&viewfull=1#post988527) above, this


Area 51 whistleblower Bob Lazar famously left his job there after realizing that he'd arrived back at Las Vegas on the regular evening shuttle flight from the base — and couldn't remember a thing about what he'd done that day. He went straight round to John Lear's house, and told him what had happened. The rest is history, as they say.

...was told to me personally by John Lear.

[tuku]

https://youtu.be/MjLKjn2AVwY

[Gardener]

Here is direct link.
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