Australia.... Airports to get body scanners

[astrid]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/09/2814467.htm

OKies now im REALLY OVER this..... its beyond a joke....


travelling safe is a priority

yeah right.......

[Teakai]

Maybe we should all write to parliament now and tell them that if they install the scanners they're going to have to find loads of money for the hospitals that are going to have to take care of the sudden cancer developments that people are going to suddenly get.

If they don't already know it's a load of crap (which, maybe they don't - why pay people to have babies if the end plan is to reduce the population? )

That reminds me - apparently in the US people have a choice of having their items scanned at teh super market or the codes typed in by hand - in Australia we don;t get the choice, it's scanned or nothing.
US people, is this true?

I wonder if that will be the same for the airport scanners - just scan everyone.

[witchy1]

Kiwi refuses total body scan: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/4391127/Kiwi-refuses-naked-body-scan

A New Zealander who was held up at Heathrow Airport for a day after refusing to get a body scan is returning home after being put onto another flight.................

He was happy to be stripped, searched, and patted down, but British airport security told him that was no longer a choice.
"Apparently it's the body scanner or nothing ... The law it seems offers no rights to another option."
Mr Holder was taken back to the airline desk and told he could not depart for New Zealand until officials allowed him through security again.

"In New Zealand the body scanners are prohibited under the Aviation Crimes Act. "

Bet they change the law overnight to allow it tho.

If he refused the scan, and there is no option - how did he get on the plane to come home???? Surely the cant detain him indefinately........he would then be overstaying - wouldn't he??
Just reread the article........... so they put him on another flight to come home........... so is it just some flights that he would be unsafe on having not been radiated.

[Teakai]

Thanks, Witchy.

I've emailed my opinion to the PM. Here's the email link if anybody else wants to have their say. Not feeling particulalry hopeful - but maybe if she really hasn't a clue (the lie is different at every level) and enough people contact her about it - maybe she'll have a look at it a bit more closely. I appealed to her conscience - if we all are soul having a human experience then she must have one in there somewhere.

http://www.pm.gov.au/PM_Connect/Email_your_PM

[Bea]

Maybe...hopefully...they won't introduce the scanners next year in Oz. The article above is from last February and since then there's been a lot of water under the bridge, including independents holding the balance of power in the federal parliament who may listen more to people's protests about being xrayed at airports. There is also the problems & unpopularity of the scanners in the US for politicians here to ponder.
The cost of introducing them may be prohibitive also if there are more budget constraints, which there may well be.
But if they try to introduce them, we have to protest.

[Teakai]

Maybe...hopefully...they won't introduce the scanners next year in Oz. The article above is from last February and since then there's been a lot of water under the bridge, including independents holding the balance of power in the federal parliament who may listen more to people's protests about being xrayed at airports. There is also the problems & unpopularity of the scanners in the US for politicians here to ponder.
The cost of introducing them may be prohibitive also if there are more budget constraints, which there may well be.
But if they try to introduce them, we have to protest.

Hi Bea - I noticed the date on that story as being February - but it seems it's already in the works. Once we get them it's too late. And why shouldnt we - the plan is to turn this into a fully monitored world - we can;t make it easy for them.
Julia Gillard stated that she would support internet censorship. Either she's in on it or she's just listening and doing what she's told by those in higher positions.
If she has any integrity for herself or her postion - or Australia - we need to appeal to that before the deal is done.

[Isthatso]

I just saw the article about the New Zealander refusing the body scan and wanted to show support by adding a comment online. As it was the NZHerald it takes up to 24hrs to show comment as they need to check it first....good one.

If heaps of people refuse it will make their jobs very difficult!!

[Teakai]

I just saw the article about the New Zealander refusing the body scan and wanted to show support by adding a comment online. As it was the NZHerald it takes up to 24hrs to show comment as they need to check it first....good one.

If heaps of people refuse it will make their jobs very difficult!!

Ishthatso - did you vote? Down the bottom of the page there is a poll - according to it 3313 people vote that the scanner and pat downs are an invasion of privacy
and 2163 think they are necessary for security.

That's not a big gap :(

Also - did you email them or is there somewhere I'm missing to post a comment on the story? I wanted to post a comment too, but have no idea where.

This part of the article got my attention: "He was happy to be stripped, searched, and patted down, but British airport security told him that was no longer a choice. "

Just give us something worse and we'll settle for the bad - and be happy about it.

[Isthatso]

Hi Teakai - I saw this same article on a different site to Witchy1 - will try and find it again (I think it was msn.co.nz). I did also look on the Stuff.co.nz site and voted. I'm amazed at how many people happy to go along with this...shows the fear out there!

I believe if enough people refuse, it will all go away! They won't have the staff to deal with them.

[witchy1]

3313 people vote that the scanner and pat downs are an invasion of privacy and 2163 think they are necessary for security.

Up to 60% approve the scans..................idiots

[xbusymom]

Hi Teakai - I saw this same article on a different site to Witchy1 - will try and find it again (I think it was msn.co.nz). I did also look on the Stuff.co.nz site and voted. I'm amazed at how many people happy to go along with this...shows the fear out there!

I believe if enough people refuse, it will all go away! They won't have the staff to deal with them.

not fear... programming- they won't fix a problem if they believe the lie that there is no problem...
Did you see the wording from the corrective memo in the NSA office? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8395-Man-Proves-TSA-Policies-Are-Unconstitutional&p=72510&viewfull=1#post72510

go down to the paragraph that says... "The terminology contained within..." and the rest of the thread on page 2 ...

can't someone sic a watchdog on NSA? this is getting ridiculous...:tsk:

before you know it ... THEY will make us all disappear for the sake of a difference of opinion...:rant:

[xbusymom]

Hey whats happening with the RESTORE AMERICA PLAN people, can't they do something?

[TigaHawk]

oh my.

My partner wants me to go to Mackai with him and his sisters early jauary. We'd be going by plane.

I will not be body scanned, or patted down. Something tells me i should definately front the bill on this ticket if im unsure if they've got that crap there.

I couldent find a vote on the body scanners thing for aus - but i wrote a letter to the PM pleading they learn from the mistakes of the US (and referenced all the emotional pain/stress people are going thru, and how its the perfect job for ex-crimms/peado's and perverts) how baggy clothes can trick it, and how much cheape, and far far far far less stressfull a lil beagle running around sniffing everyone would be.

[bluestflame]

i second the motion for the beagles , least they only bothered people with concealed things and didn't take photos

[Bea]

Hi Bea - I noticed the date on that story as being February - but it seems it's already in the works. Once we get them it's too late. And why shouldnt we - the plan is to turn this into a fully monitored world - we can;t make it easy for them.

You're right Teakai, I'll write to my local federal member & ask him if it's going ahead.

[witchy1]

It woud be interesting to find out exactly how many concealed weapons they have discovered to date with the scanners..........Not that you could believe what they say anyway

[jackovesk]

Hi Bea - I noticed the date on that story as being February - but it seems it's already in the works. Once we get them it's too late. And why shouldnt we - the plan is to turn this into a fully monitored world - we can;t make it easy for them.
Julia Gillard stated that she would support internet censorship. Either she's in on it or she's just listening and doing what she's told by those in higher positions.
If she has any integrity for herself or her postion - or Australia - we need to appeal to that before the deal is done.

Hi Teakai,

Unfortunately Foolya Joolya IS IN ON IT up to her Eyeballs! The Fabian Socialists are the very ones responsible for the Body Scanners in the 1st place!

Like Kevin Rudd, she is Ruthless and will stop at nothing before she destroys our Country! Glllard, like Hitlary Clinton & Janet Napoletano (Big Sis) are Pure Poison and will do what ever it takes to get the job done! That's the Bad News!

Here's the Good News, the GillRudd Govt. WILL NOT last the next 3 years.

WHY? Because their pasts are starting to catching up with them i.e. Wikileaks, Oakeshotte is under investigation, Rudd is so far in the Sh#t, he could shower 24/hrs a day and still could'nt get the STENCH off him (The Treasonous Ba$tard)! When the Law finally catches up to KRudd he will either sing like a baby or top himself.

Remember this Teakai...How did Terese Rein become so Rich? Totally off Govt. Contracts that's how! She sold her Australian business for approx. $50 million and within 6 months picked a $300 million UK Govt. Contract. The irony is an Australian Job placement Co. wins a contract to place British jobs for the British!!! LOL

The Question is "What in HELL" did Kevin Rudd have to do to secure these sort of lucrative contracts for his wife??? and Who must he answer to?

Now that Krudds budy Gordon Brown is out of the picture and from all reports
Obama is pending impeachment, the little Pissant Krudd will have no where to turn!

There entire Shell Game is built like a pack of cards and once one of them goes down, the others will all come crashing down around them!

[Teakai]

Hi Teakai,

Unfortunately Foolya Joolya IS IN ON IT up to her Eyeballs! The Fabian Socialists are the very ones responsible for the Body Scanners in the 1st place!

Like Kevin Rudd, she is Ruthless and will stop at nothing before she destroys our Country! Glllard, like Hitlary Clinton & Janet Napoletano (Big Sis) are Pure Poison and will do what ever it takes to get the job done! That's the Bad News!

Here's the Good News, the GillRudd Govt. WILL NOT last the next 3 years.

WHY? Because their pasts are starting to catching up with them i.e. Wikileaks, Oakeshotte is under investigation, Rudd is so far in the Sh#t, he could shower 24/hrs a day and still could'nt get the STENCH off him (The Treasonous Ba$tard)! When the Law finally catches up to KRudd he will either sing like a baby or top himself.

Remember this Teakai...How did Terese Rein become so Rich? Totally off Govt. Contracts that's how! She sold her Australian business for approx. $50 million and within 6 months picked a $300 million UK Govt. Contract. The irony is an Australian Job placement Co. wins a contract to place British jobs for the British!!! LOL

The Question is "What in HELL" did Kevin Rudd have to do to secure these sort of lucrative contracts for his wife??? and Who must he answer to?

Now that Krudds budy Gordon Brown is out of the picture and from all reports
Obama is pending impeachment, the little Pissant Krudd will have no where to turn!

There entire Shell Game is built like a pack of cards and once one of them goes down, the others will all come crashing down around them!

Thanks for the info, Jackovesk.
I have now, finally let go my last shred of any hope in there being any ethical motivation in high politics.

What have you got on Kevin Rudd and what you know about what he's been up to? Can you post any good independent and reliable alternative Australian links.
I'm a bit slack - I've mainly had my eye on the US and what's happening there - there's only so many hours in a day.

I've got truth news radio Australia.

[jackovesk]

Thanks for the info, Jackovesk.
I have now, finally let go my last shred of any hope in there being any ethical motivation in high politics.

What have you got on Kevin Rudd and what you know about what he's been up to? Can you post any good independent and reliable alternative Australian links.
I'm a bit slack - I've mainly had my eye on the US and what's happening there - there's only so many hours in a day.

I've got truth news radio Australia.

Thanks for the tip on news radio Australia, I listen to Max Keiser, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Andrew Bolt, Allan Jones & Coast to Coast AM. What I generally find 99% of the time, these Draconian Schemes originate & filter down from the US, UK & Europe before they get here.

Here is the link in relation to Terese Reins Australian & UK Govt. Contracts with the heading...

'Therese Rein - UK deals windfall for Rein enterprise The Australian'

UK deals windfall for Rein enterprise

Peter Wilson, Europe correspondent
The Australian
March 11, 2009

KEVIN Rudd's family finances are heading in a different direction from those of most people as the global recession helps to add as much as $300 million to the annual turnover of his wife Therese Rein's job-placement company in Britain.

Industry experts familiar with her main operating company predicted yesterday that its turnover would more than treble in the next three years from about pound stg. 60million ($130 million) to pound stg. 200million.

While most families and industries struggle with the recession, Ms Rein, who is estimated to be worth $60 million, is prospering because her firm is already winning new British government contracts and her chosen profession of helping the unemployed is one of the few businesses that continues to boom in bad economic times.

Ms Rein's decision to sell her Australian operations to avoid a conflict of interest after her husband was elected prime minister in 2007 has turned out to be beautifully timed because she concentrated on the British job market just as it was preparing for an explosion of private sector activity.

Her firm, WorkDirections UK, is believed to have doubled its turnover from the pound stg. 32 million it reported in June 2007, while its workforce has also doubled to more than 700.

That growth is mainly being driven by the British Government's injection of new market forces and private enterprise into the task of finding jobs for the unemployed, but the recession is giving her business a further boost.

The upturn in Ms Rein's fortunes comes as Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull stands by his claim that it is hypocritical of Mr Rudd to attack "neo-liberal" policies when his own family finances have benefited from the privatisation of government services.

Ms Rein's acumen and business success have been well documented, but the extent of her expansion in Britain is only now becoming clear.

"Selling up in Australia and turning most of her attention to here (in Britain) turned out to be the smartest thing she could possibly have done," one economic adviser to the British Government said yesterday.

A spokeswoman for Ms Rein's holding company, Ingeus, yesterday refused to comment on the firm's growth prospects, issuing a statement saying that "we are not in a position to speculate about our purchasers' response to current economic conditions (but we) will continue to respond to employment services tenders as they arise".

Labour now pays about pound stg. 1 billion a year to private firms and voluntary groups for job services but it is committed to giving them access to more of the pound stg. 36 billion that it spends on the unemployed each year.

The likelihood of a Conservative election victory next year suggests there will be an even bolder shift to the private sector, with the Tories promising to put many more job-search functions out to contract and to make heavy cuts at the Department for Work and Pensions, which has already lost 30,000 jobs under Labour.

With Britain suffering one of the deepest downturns in the developed world, the number of people on some form of jobless benefits is tipped to double to two million, prompting Gordon Brown's Government to increase the scale and pace of its shift to private-sector job placement.

One of the Government's flagship programs, the Flexible New Deal for the long-term jobless, has been expanded from 100,000 places to 300,000 and the upfront payments to job placement firms have been increased to help fund the start-up of what is essentially a new private industry.

Several experts in London said the next 18 months to two years would be difficult for the private providers as they struggled with their own structural changes and a shortage of job vacancies, but when the recession eventually eased the profits would roll in. When the economy finally began to create more jobs the job placement agencies would thrive because they would have large numbers of relatively skilled and work-ready people on their books.

Richard Johnson, a former executive at Ms Rein's firm in Britain who now heads one of her rivals, yesterday backed the prediction that she could triple her turnover in the next three years.

"If you do the numbers you do come up with a result like that and Therese has built a company that deserves that sort of success," said Mr Johnson, the managing director of welfare-to-work programs for Serco, one of the world's largest providers of privatised public services.

"WorkDirections has probably the best reputation in the country for quality and integrity. It pays its front-line staff more than other providers and something like 90 per cent of them have university degrees.

"That high-quality service is a point of difference in the market and it has been a very clever strategy because the trend now is all about basing payments on results and if you deliver better results you will be better rewarded."

The Government is offering 24 large five-year contracts to provide job services in different parts of Britain and WorkDirections is widely expected to win three or four contracts.

That would lift its turnover to perhaps pound stg. 105 million and similar results in the next two annual rounds of contracts would lift it to about pound stg. 200 million.

Professor Dan Finn, a welfare-to-work expert for the Centre for Economic and Social Inclusion who has studied the introduction of such schemes in Australia and the US, said the first few years of the new British contracts were likely to have generous government funding.

"If you look at cases like the Jobs Network in Australia they tend to spend a lot to make sure it gets up and running, and then they tighten up the funding," he said.

"That is when the number of providers competing for business falls away ... and the quality operations like WorkDirections are left standing."

Ms Rein's firm has also entered the French, German and Swedish job markets but the greatest rewards have been offered by the structural reforms in Britain. Labour has already brought single parents and the disabled into welfare-to-work programs and is now flirting with the more radical step of using the huge pot of money that is normally reserved for unemployment benefits to pay job-placement firms for reducing the benefits bill.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/uk-deals-windfall-for-rein-enterprise/story-0-1111119093769

Unfortunately the Australian has chosen to delete it...check for yourself.

[Teakai]

Woah - they did , too. Wonder if it was under pressure.

Thanks for putting it up. Where did you get it from to put it up here?

And now Kevin Rudd works for the UN. Business is sure to get better and better.

[bluestflame]

I rekon this might connect up a few dots in light of current events and the ones leading up to them ....

http://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/20060602-Asias-scientific-and-economic-growth-opportunities-for-Australia.pdf

"STRENGTHENING AUSTRALIA’S
POSITION IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER
Working Group on Asia
Report to PMSEIC
June 2006"

"A paper prepared by an independent Working Group for the Prime Minister’s Science, Engineering and
Innovation Council (PMSEIC). Its views are those of the Group, not necessarily those of the Australian
Government."

"PMSEIC-IN-CONFIDENCE
CHAIRMAN’S MESSAGE
The emergence of China and India brings with it many challenges, opportunities and threats to
Australia – to our economy, our standard of living and our research and innovation system.
The working group has consulted with leaders from business, higher education and
government about the implications for Australia. The message is clear: without a more
systematic and strategic approach, Australian science and innovation capabilities will be
washed over by the tidal wave of progress being experienced in China and India, and by the
resulting global response.
China and India appear destined to regain their global economic clout over advancing
decades. Aggressive science and technology investment by both governments could position
these economies higher on the value chain in comparison with their trading partners.
China within the next decade, if the current trend continues, could become Australia’s top
trading partner with India rapidly coming up the ranks. They will have large markets with
strong purchasing power and formidable science and technology capacities.
Like the rest of the developed world, Australia needs to respond proactively to the emergence
of developing economies, which now make up half of the world’s economy. As Australian
industry is now making fundamental changes to remain competitive with China and India, so
too must our science and technology system, its structures and researchers.
The working group calls for a three-pronged strategy to achieve this:
• Capture the opportunities emerging for Australian science and innovation
• Enhance our science and technology linkages with China and India
• Strengthen our science and innovation foundations for competitiveness.
Failure to do so could have serious consequences for Australia’s future prosperity. We risk
being marginalised by the emergence of these new economic superpowers. Without
appropriate strategic actions, the tidal wave will take us in directions we may not want to go,
and damage the capacity for Australia to maintain its strong growth and competitiveness.
Today we stand at the brink of a new era – investing in our education and research base now
will create new opportunities to build a technology-based Australian economy that is
internationally engaged.
I would like to thank the members of the working group who have contributed many hours in
attending meetings and drafting this report.
I look forward to the Government’s consideration of our proposals.
Hutch Ranck
Chairman

and this one http://www.cer.org.uk/pdf/p_837.pdf

"CENTRE FOR EUROPEAN REFORM"

"CAN EUROPE AND CHINA
SHAPE A NEW WORLD ORDER? Charles Grant with Katinka Barysch"

[AtlasFactor]

Maybe we should all write to parliament now and tell them that if they install the scanners they're going to have to find loads of money for the hospitals that are going to have to take care of the sudden cancer developments that people are going to suddenly get.


Respectfully... I think the effectiveness of polite letters to politicians has been already demonstrated by the general state of the world. That there's a dead end at best.

[Teakai]

Respectfully... I think the effectiveness of polite letters to politicians is has been already demonstrated by the general state of the world. That there's a dead end at best.

You're very likely right, Atlas factor - but, if nothing else, maybe it might pique interest in the heart of whoever first sifts through her emails. I'm assuming a secretary would scrutinse them first to save the PM's precious time.

[jackovesk]

Woah - they did , too. Wonder if it was under pressure.

Thanks for putting it up. Where did you get it from to put it up here?

And now Kevin Rudd works for the UN. Business is sure to get better and better.

I knew the Australian took it off their website a while back, so I put this into Start Page Search Engine "UK deals windfall for Rein enterprise" https://startpage.com. Don't use Google anymore because they track everything you do and record your Ip Address whereas Start Page doesn't.

and found it on http://aussienewsviews.blogspot.com/2009_03_11_archive.html, scan down the page a little bit to find article. There are also other references you can find on the same Start Page search.