JFK murdered by his wife?

[Earthlink]

I just took it for granted that this would already be here. I did a search, and didn't find anything. Go figure. Anyway, yeah, it certainly looks like she did it. He was hit with a gas that paralyzed his lungs, and then she pulled him in and popped him. Bullets don't rip like that from the outside, it came from under his chin. The blood was all down the left side of his shirt, where she shot him from. Right after she shot him, she crawled onto the back to get the big piece of his skull that landed there, because she thought maybe the bullet would be lodged in it.

The only reason I thought of this now was because I posted another video entitled 'From JFK to 9-11 Everything is a Rich Mans Trick' where he went on at length about another JFK theory that involved 8 assassins. It is not the stuff on JFK in that video I think is relevant, I don't even believe his version, it is all the other stuff about the FORDification of Europe in that video that I think is very, very, relevant.

Furthermore, in the theory he presented with the 8 assassins, he never once mentioned executive order 11110, which was what Lincoln did as well, and is what JFK did to take the power to print currency away from the fed and put it back into the government. Kennedy was already printing this new currency when he was shot, and the first thing the next president did was to cancel 11110.

Happy August 15 everybody : )

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[Spellbound]

Sorry, but I can't buy into this theory. JFK was killed by the industrial military complex (gov't via mafia).

Dave - Toronto

[Earthlink]

Dave, that's my name too. OK, my birth cert. says David. Whatever. I have lots of names. But hey, I'm not selling anything, this is a video not made by me. And this section is called Conspiracy Research. One's as good as another, and ultimately we'll never know because we weren't there. I do know though that the more inputs one examines the more libel one is to find the correct one.

peace

[cursichella1]

Sorry, but I can't buy into this theory. JFK was killed by the industrial military complex (gov't via mafia).

Dave - Toronto

In case you missed it, interesting revelations on this subject a few days ago. On Coast2Coast, Linda Moulton Howe with Dark Journalist on his recent interview with Douglas Caddy. See this thread:

Avalon thread Dark Journalist (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84432-Dark-Journalist-On-Coast-to-Coast-AM-With-Linda-Moulton-Howe-Douglas-Caddy&p=987982&viewfull=1#post987982)

[Spellbound]

Very interesting....thankyou cursichella. I will DL this interview now. While I do believe Kennedy knew about the ET presence, I do not believe he was killed for this reason. I simply think Kennedy had to go...period. He pissed off the mafia, he pissed off the CIA, he pissed off the oil barons, he pissed off folks with the Bay of Pigs, and he pissed off various other factions within the gov't. He needed to be eliminated, period. I'll add that I think Kennedy was the last sitting president to be brought into ET disclosure (but I do not believe he was killed for this, though it may have been one of the many many reason why he had to be taken out).

Dave - Toronto

[joeecho]

Was it really about the murder of a messenger or the murder of a message?

[Spellbound]

It's about the simple fact that JFK pissed off many folks from many factions of the matrix....simple as that. He was rocking the apple cart and needed to be taken out. To pin in on the ET phenomenon alone (or the message as you refer to it) is thinking too much inside the box. Though, I will say, there is more credence to the ET thing than the idea of Jackie taking him out (which I think is silly).

Dave - Toronto

[Olam]

You say "Happy August 15 everybody" but it sounds more like April 1st to me !
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[Earthlink]

oh, no, sorry, not wanting to mislead anyone. Something was supposed to happen on the 15th, today, but after 12 pm my time, midnight Beijing, 12 time zones away, the day had begun to end, depending on where in the world you were, and so in light of nothing else happening, I tried to make something happen by posting a video that maybe no one had ever seen before, and thereby making at least SOMETHING happen ... that is all. Clearly by 18:00 my time, when I posted this, people were already looking at their watches and wondering when and/or if.

That is what I meant by that.

And, uh, how come no one ever acknowledges exec. order 11110? I mean ... did he do that or not?

[grannyfranny100]

I think it is extremely odd that professional authors and researchers spend several years time researching and interviewing and then the publishers have the book reviewed for any potential lawsuits. Meanwhile people like Caroline Kennedy and gossips on Facebook spread such undocumented idle speculation. How can you be so heartless!!! Did you not learn anything from all the pain from the corey stuff. I expected better from you.

[Innocent Warrior]

Bill Cooper was a naval security intelligence officer, he read secret documents on the JFK assassination while he was in the Navy. The JFK assassination was a CIA, FBI, the secret service and naval intelligence plot and the driver of the limo, that JFK was riding in, shot him with an assassination pistol. The pistol was a pneumatic pistol, with an exploding pellet, which was filled with shellfish toxin.

The driver's name was William Greer, who was a secret service agent. Bill knew of a video, which had been kept from the public, he said it took him 16 years to find it, it's a version of the footage we've all seen, but the front of the limo is not cut off in the scene, and in this you can apparently see the driver shoot JFK. I can't see it, it's not clear enough, but I once found a cleaned up version on YouTube and I could see what looked like a pistol. The video was removed.

Bill said this is why JFK's brain went missing, to conceal the presence of toxin.

It's interesting to note, that my friend, who watches television, said he saw a documentary where one of the body guards came forward and said it was him. He was at the back of the limo and he claimed that he accidentally shot the president, when he went onto the back of the car. Interesting, considering it was after the Cooper footage was becoming well known and that it distracts the viewer away from the driver, to the rear of the car.

The footage is in part two of the series below.

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[Bill Ryan]

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As best I know, JFK was shot by Mafia hit man Johnny Roselli, from a storm drain.

[Earthlink]

ok, thanks everybody for your contributions. Let's just keep this in perspective, it was over 50 years ago now that this happened, and most of the people involved are already gone and returned again. that's actually enough time for someone to have left and returned a few times, if they died young.

I just have a few questions: I watched the video I posted, did you? and it sure looked like his hands went up and he was paralyzed, and, it sure looks like she shot him. It may not have even been his wife, it could have very well been anyone with makeup on and the same clothes, but whoever it was beside him, it does look like they did it. The make-up abilities we had then were sufficient to even have Johnny Roselli done up as her, I know when I was a kid even the play stuff we had for halloween was pretty good.

And, of course, what did Abraham Lincoln and JFK both have in common, other than both being shot? They both ended the fed.

just sayin. Other than what I see with my own eyes in this video, I have no evidence. My connection to the universal consciousness is not sufficient for anyone other than me, so, I'll never use that.

I don't even know why it matters at all who killed him, and where they were standing or sitting at the time.

No matter how you slice it, he did not die in a car accident and he did not commit suicide hahahahaha

Anyways, yes, I do, I get the feeling that the person in the car beside him was not his wife, and that they told him about it, and they told him they'd heard of a possible attempt, so, just to be on the safe side, they added a few more security guys and they added this guy, dressed as his wife, or something like that.

What I honestly don't know though, is how he could have not felt it coming, you know, the way you had a feeling just the other day yourself Bill. That part i don't get, unless he just had absolutely no connection whatsoever to the UC at all ...

But then again, that may not have even been him in the car either, they had a look alike for him already ... ok, now this is just too much prep work.

Either way though, that works. It's possible it wasn't either of them in the car, and they just jumped him en masse, somewhere else, and got rid of him, and this whole scene was just to show the public he'd been shot by someone else.

It's also possible that JFK was tied up in a chair somewhere, and watched this scene of someone who was supposed to be him getting killed before they killed him.

I don't even know now why I'm dwelling on this right now, like i said, it doesn't matter. He ended the fed, and the fed ended him.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Just brainstorming, but I wonder if one or more clones could have been involved. Perhaps a JFK clone. Perhaps a Jackie clone.

I wonder what clone technology was available 50 years ago. Probably very advanced technology was available from the dark side ETs.

It is more important to know why JFK was killed than to know who did it. But knowing who did it would give clues to the why.

My best guess at the moment is financial gain by the military industrial complex and the banksters.

[Innocent Warrior]

For whatever it's worth to anyone, I just muscle tested for it, asked if it was the driver; no. I asked if it was the mafia; no. My boyfriend was inspired to ask if he was even in that car, the answer was no. We asked if he was killed before that day; no. After that day; no. Killed that day but not in that car; yes.

Edit: just saw Ron's post now...interesting.

[Earthlink]

I edited my post directly above yours there Ron, and I had the same thoughts, they both could have been doubles. And I just looked up the date. He was shot Nov. 22 1963. I myself was born this time Nov. 11 1964, so, I didn't do it hahahaha. At least not in this carnation.

[Earthlink]

WOW Rachel, I think killed that day but not in the car too. I also get the feeling he watched his double get killed first too. just, wow, and what's a muscle test?????

[Innocent Warrior]

WOW Rachel, I think killed that day but not in the car too. I also get the feeling he watched his double get killed first too. just, wow, and what's a muscle test?????

There are muscle testing techniques for self testing but I always use a partner, to ensure objectivity. It's a method of using your body as a form of binary communication between you and your subconscious or you and Source.

Basically, you hold your arm out straight, speak a statement, and then have your partner say, "be strong" or "resist" and then press down on your wrist. If you get a weakened muscle response, it's a no, if your muscle is strong, it's a yes.

I've just had a quick look for a good demonstration or info for you but haven't found one that covers it all yet. I'll get back to you with a comprehensive set of instructions.

[Earthlink]

Rachel has new powers she's unaware of yet perhaps? My post right above yours has been edited, not by me ...

oh, and, don't worry about finding a set of detailed instructions on that just for me, I don't need it. I was called a Hot House Flower as a child and I've been extremely psychic from a very young age, like, birth hahahaha. at least don't think you have to, you don't. I will absorb anything you bring, absolutely, but like I said you don't have to be as detailed as what you said.

[Innocent Warrior]

Rachel has new powers she's unaware of yet perhaps? My post right above yours has been edited, not by me ...

Oh, I know what happened, I hit edit post on your post instead of reply with quote lol. Will fix.

Update: I messed it up again and then fixed it. :blushing:


oh, and, don't worry about finding a set of detailed instructions on that just for me, I don't need it. I was called a Hot House Flower as a child and I've been extremely psychic from a very young age, like, birth hahahaha.

So I see. :clapping: Well I was going to write it up just for you, so I won't bother.

[Earthlink]

I want to make a motion here now, anyone can second it : )

* We all agree that the official "story" is NOT what happened.

hahahahaha

[awakeningmom]

I was born after JFK was assassinated and never questioned the official story until after I awoke to 9-11 Truth -- never had any interest before. But I grew up in Mass and remember that we had a framed portrait of JFK and RFK in our hallway. My family believed in the Camelot myth. But there are too many stories of who did it and why it just gives me a headache to try to figure it out. This link is to yet another theory -- by a writer whose other articles I have posted on the forum before: Miles Mathis.

http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf


Mathis' theory: that JFK faked his own death and ruled in secrecy. That clones or doubles were used. I know it sounds really absurd, since many people point to the day JFK was "assassinated" as the day the coup of the real U.S./government occurred. But in some ways, it does make some sense: I mean, two brothers assassinated and yet the third one stays in politics? Maria Shriver marries Schwartzenegger and "rules" CA? Caroline Kennedy becomes an Ambassador? Wouldn't you get the heck out of Dodge once two brothers are gunned down in cold blood? Seems a little strange.

But who knows....sometimes it's maddening not knowing the truth about anything.

[Innocent Warrior]

I want to make a motion here now, anyone can second it : )

* We all agree that the official "story" is NOT what happened.

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Agreed. :bigsmile:

Brainstorming, going with what I feel. It was a collective agreement to kill him, by the cabal, but done in such a way that it could never be traced back to the perpetrators. All these different theories, it's like having a bunch of suspects in an interrogation room, who are each saying they did it, and this was the plan. I'm getting a chain of events. This is all very Shakespearean of me, but I wonder if he had ear drops.

[regnak]

JFK was shot and killed by his driver watch the video carefully you see the driver shot him in the head and kill him . His wife saw the shooting and tried to get out of the car and was made stay by secret service agents

Maybe there were other shooters I think .

[Buzzie]

Interesting that Bill Cooper himself was killed in November, 2001, under rather strange circumstances.

[Betty]

The way murders are solved are through autopsy. The problem with JFK's autopsy was that the body Humes, Boswell, and Finck autopsied was not JFK's! This autopsied body did not have chest tubes or intravenous insertion sites. The autopsied body only had superficial incisions at those sites. The autopsy picture film that was shot at this autopsy was taken by the Secret Service. As John Stringer the autopsy photographer at Humes' autopsy said to his students, "They took my film and I never saw it again". He did not open up about this at his ARRB deposition but only made that statement to his students.
Because we don't have any autopsy evidence we only have what the Parkland doctors saw and testified to the Warren Commission. That night of the assassination all the Parkland doctors wrote a note of what happened. Dr. McCelland wrote that JFK had died of a gun shot with an entrance wound to his left temple. Dr. McCelland would later testify he personally did not see this entrance wound but was repeating what Dr. Jenkins, an anesthesiologist, had told him. Dr. Jenkins testified that he was sure there was a gunshot wound at the left temple. He found it while trying to palpate a pulse at the left temple. The wound was hidden in JFK's hair.
When Dr. Jenkins testified at the Warren Commission he was told by Arlen Specter that he was wrong because the autopsy did not reveal a left temple wound. Dr. Jenkins insisted he had found this left temple entrance wound. Arlen Specter had to take him aside off the record to convince him there hadn't been a wound to the left temple.
Priests who gave JFK his last rites also said there was a wound to the left temple.
Jean Hill who stood at the side of the driver side of the JFK limosine stated she saw JFK and Jackie looking at a "dog" when the gunshot hit him
Jackie had been given a Lamb Chops puppet at Love Field and that puppet could have been the "dog" that Jean Hll observed. Could this puppet been camoflouging a gun? Later Jackie would forget she had been given a Lamb Chops puppet. Later Jean Hill would write in her book, "Last Dissenting Witness" that it was probably Nellie Connelly's flowers she was seeing and not a dog. Someone had convinced Jean Hill to change her mind.
If Jackie was the Manuchurian Canidate she must have been under MK Ultra Mind Control.
How could this happen?
When Jackie was 8 years of age she was introduced to and spent time with George deMohrenshildt. The same George deMohrenshildt that was best friends with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Jackie's relationship with deMohrenshildt is described in her cousin's book, "Jacqueline Bouvier: an Intimate Memoir" by John Davis.
Jackie also at one time had been offered a job by the CIA. That she had been offered a job by the CIA is written in Jackie's own handwritten letter to a magazine, Vogue. Vogue had awarded Jackie for written essays she had submitted.
So the CIA had access to Jackie when she was only 8 years old, and she was offered a job by the CIA. She would later have a job as a "Photographer girl" which would be a perfect cover for a CIA agent. If she were just a "Photographer girl" and not a CIA agent would have been a way too boring job for a bright cookie like Jackie.
To say Jackie Kennedy killed JFK knowingly is too unbelievable to me. It very well could be that their marriage had been "arranged" but through the years they had become more affectionate to each other.
The video that starts this thread uses the Zapruder film. I personally believe the film has been so corrupted that anything on the film is hard to believe, but if you watch Jackie's right arm it moves at an incredible speed.

To read more on this subject visit the Mary Ferrell Foundation website: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Main_Page.html

The Assasination Archives Research Center (AARC) website:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/contents/wc/contents_wh.htm

[Betty]

JFK was shot and killed by his driver watch the video carefully you see the driver shot him in the head and kill him . His wife saw the shooting and tried to get out of the car and was made stay by secret service agents

Maybe there were other shooters I think .


I used to believe that the driver shot Kennedy also, but then I read the Parkland doctor's testimony and realized the driver could not have done it. Kennedy's face would have been hit. When JFK arrived at Parkland the nurses stated looking at his face you couldn't tell he was hit by a bullet. You may think the Parkland staff is covering something up. The problem with that thought is that if you lie you have to know how to lie. The Parkland staff took care of 500 gunshot wounds a year. They spent 17 minutes trying to revive Kennedy. In 17 minutes they put an ET tube down, a trach tube down, 2 chest tubes, 3 cutdowns for intravenous fluids and blood. They didn't have time to lie. If you think they've done a coverup all these years they would have to know how to lie, repeatedly. The doctors were interviewed several times. The people who haven't been interviewed were the ones in charge at Bethesda where the real shenanigans were carried out. Autopists Humes and Finck were questioned repeatedly but they were just hoodwinked into believing the body they were autopsying was JFK. It was the military brass that were their bosses that were behind what really happened at Bethesda.

[Cidersomerset]

Thank's EarthLink interesting vid , Not sure what to make of it ? As has already been
said by the other posts. You can follow the logic, but she could also having seen him
slump forward slightly from the first shot , realised he was incapacitated pulled him
down out of the way as the kill shot hit him. Realising that was probably the
death shot she tried to get out of the way. Or she said " take that you B------ ," for
sleeping around , especially the high profile Marilyn Monroe affair..... Unlikely but
there is some logic to his presentation.


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I think we can safely say it was Jackie Kennedy in the car with the President, and I
cannot find a frame that shows a derringer type weapon off hand , and if one
existed I'm pretty sure someone would of seen it by now. Though films can be altered .

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Some vids that stood out to me in the u'tube link just now , obviously there are
loads but these said " play me "...LOL and they are interesting imo.


Aprox 7 mins in they show the shooting and although at distant did not look
to me Jackie did the kill shot.

JFK Assassination - New Smoking Gun Version Of The Zapruder Film

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Published on 1 Aug 2014


The fabled "French" other version of the famous Zapruder film has finally surfaced.
See and now hear JFK's last moments.

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Dan Rather Saw A Different Zapruder Film

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Published on 8 Jan 2014

Which proves that the Zapruder film was altered. The Rather video wouldn't behave
in my editor, but at least the sound is always there.



The Undamaged Zapruder Film

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Uploaded on 15 Apr 2008

This copy of the film was made before Life magazine damaged frames in their copy.
Except for the damaged areas, the two versions are identical.

[Betty]

[QUOTE=Earthlink;989345]ok, thanks everybody for your contributions. Let's just keep this in perspective, it was over 50 years ago now that this happened, and most of the people involved are already gone and returned again. that's actually enough time for someone to have left and returned a few times, if they died young.

I couldn't disagree with you more. The problem is that people have not read what the Parkland doctors said to the Warren Commission, the House Select Comittee on Assassinations (HSCA) and the Assassination Record Review Board (ARRB). It is plain from reading these sources that the body that was autopsied was not JFK's. That the pictures on file were not taken at the Hume's autopsy of the fake JFK. Per Knudsen's family testimony to the ARRB,Robert Knudsen JFK's own photographer took the photos of the real JFK autopsy.
Bethesda was remodeled about 4 months before the assassination. If you read "Death of a President" by Manchester the autopsy room that General McHugh describes is way different than the autopsy room where the fake autopsy was performed. In the book "Death of a President" you read how the color guard got disconnected from the body and by reading all the sources you realize that it was just a muddle. There was diversion and trickery going on everywhere. At the Hume's autopsy workers describe a plain grey shipping casket. The officer of the day, Dennis David said independently that as he was going upstairs carrying x-ray negatives to be developed from the fake JFK autopsy that he saw Jackie's hearse drive up carrying the real JFK body.
The problem is that the CIA know this information backwards and forwards therefore if you only learn part of this information you can easily be sidetracked into believing something else.
A good example of this is Doug Horne. He was a senior analyst for the ARRB. If you read his book he's got some good stuff but then in parts you're going, "Whoa where did he get that and only because I've researched and researched I know what he's saying is way off. I started this in depth research in Dec. 2010. I've tried posting at the Deep Politics JFK Assassination forum but there I get called names and even though I've grown and got away from silly theories they bring up my past even when I state I don't believe things like "The driver did it". I was unable to get on the Education Forum.
I'm going to try to keep getting this word out. I know that people want experts and all I am is a emergency room nurse and not a doctor. By the way the doctors to whom I mention this to say,"Yea they switched the body" but then they don't have time to do anything else to research this.

[Betty]

Just one more post for this subject that I feel so passionate about.
When you realize that Jackie did it (under mind control) you realize that there are some good people that are trying to cover this up also. They think the American public couldn't handle this. That the public would blame Jackie even though her conscious mind had no idea. Just as the American public believes Timothy McVeigh did the Oklahoma bombing, that the Boston bomber did it, that the Saudi Arabians hit the world trade center, the Sandy Hook shooter was just a boy. In fact that's why I keep this research up. The uncovering of the JFK assassination would throw so much light on present affairs.

[Cardillac]

here's an extremely truncated version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76XMwOXychs

start the video at min. 6:31; one only needs to view a few seconds farther: Jackie subsequently rapidly throws something behind her husband's slumping body before she scrambles onto the back of the car

[aranuk]

I couldn't see her pulling him down with her left hand at all. Does anyone here see that? I would agree about the smoke from the gun though. I could see that she hid something behind his back and also I think it is strange why she was climbing on to the back of the car. She was certainly at least in my opinion doing lots of strange things with her hands all within a period of two seconds.
In fact her actions over a period of a small number of seconds seem strange. I would have thought if he was hit in the head with a bullet and blood was seen her first reaction would have been to withdraw away from him to assess what had happened. The shock of what happened would have immobilised her for at least 5 seconds,that is if she was innocent.

Stan

[ghostrider]

The plejaren said it was the American secret services/CIA had warning that JFK would be killed ... they claim different groups were involved, here's a contact with an ET speaking about events to come , time of contact was Feb 3rd 1953 ... scroll to line 162 ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket%27s_Explanations_-_Part_1

[Frenchy]

Just a small contribution, for those who haven't come across it :- Harvey Lee Oswald, was not just a hapless pasty, look up on Judyth Vary and learn of Lee's role as errand boy, lover of Judyth, and the start of the cancer weapons, developed in the 60's, and so perfected now......

[Frenchy]

Spot on Stan, Even if they lived with the security training of 'possible ' assassination attempts, I fully agree with your obs, her actions, were just too efficient...

I read somewhere, her thought was to retrieve his brain, in case of surgery ! ! ! ( Some Surgeon ! ! )

[Cidersomerset]

Just a small contribution, for those who haven't come across it :- Harvey Lee Oswald, was
not just a hapless pasty, look up on Judyth Vary and learn of Lee's role as errand boy, lover of Judyth,
and the start of the cancer weapons, developed in the 60's, and so perfected now......

I was listening to this on a thread very recently , it was not this vid
but gives the basics of the longer vids on u'tube....



JFK Assasin Oswald - CIA Courier - Dr Mary's Monkey

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[Betty]

John Armstrong has written a book, "Harvey and Lee". It is a very dry book but it excellently documents the facts of the persona "Lee Harvey Oswald". This persona was really a CIA project combining two different people's actions a into one. The book is expensive and somewhat difficult to read. Here is a website that sums it up somewhat: http://harveyandlee.net/

[Cidersomerset]

I'm listening to an old David Icke vid and he is talking about the Federal reserve
and asked who were the only two presidents that tried to do something about it ?
Another reason among many....

http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/imageslincoln-kennedy.jpg

[Betty]

President Andrew Jackson: When asked what he felt was the greatest achievement of his career Andrew Jackson replied without hesitation "I killed the bank!". For his work in defeating the bank an assassination attempt was made on him also but the gun misfired!!!!

[Bluegreen]

Thank you for posting Betty
Your information and collating is remarkable

[GloriousPoetry]

Earthlink,

The muscle test Rachel is talking about is easier to do standing up and asking questions and if your body moves forward it means yes and if moves back it is no. I find the arm resistance technique a bit more tiring.

[aranuk]

Spot on Stan, Even if they lived with the security training of 'possible ' assassination attempts, I fully agree with your obs, her actions, were just too efficient...

I read somewhere, her thought was to retrieve his brain, in case of surgery ! ! ! ( Some Surgeon ! ! )

Hi Frenchy, when I think about it she is the only person in the car that is doing lots of things quickly. The only person. Her right hand is put quickly behind John's back at least twice. Why would she need to put her hand behind his back twice?? Just think....if that happened suddenly without any warning, does her actions with her hands meet with any credible reason for doing so? Her actions do NOT reflect what anyone in a state of shock would likely do.

Stan

[Selkie]

I have to say, it is very hard for me to entertain yet another angle of investigation into the murder of JFK, but now that it has been pointed out, her actions do look very, very strange. Her motions are so professional-looking...so cool and precise...and she moves with a great economy of motion. She does not reel back in shock and horror, and she does not appear to be confused or frightened. I would not say that the video is proof that she murdered him, but it is strange. Very, very strange.

[ThePythonicCow]

I would not say that the video is proof that she murdered him, but it is strange. Very, very strange.
She has the discipline of self-composure while on the world stage that comes from years of practice, and is sometimes preceded by a most unpleasant or constrained childhood, which can serve to fracture the inner being from the public persona.

[ThePythonicCow]

I was born after JFK was assassinated and never questioned the official story until after I awoke to 9-11 Truth -- never had any interest before. But I grew up in Mass and remember that we had a framed portrait of JFK and RFK in our hallway. My family believed in the Camelot myth. But there are too many stories of who did it and why it just gives me a headache to try to figure it out. This link is to yet another theory -- by a writer whose other articles I have posted on the forum before: Miles Mathis.

http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf


Mathis' theory: that JFK faked his own death and ruled in secrecy. That clones or doubles were used. I know it sounds really absurd, since many people point to the day JFK was "assassinated" as the day the coup of the real U.S./government occurred. But in some ways, it does make some sense: I mean, two brothers assassinated and yet the third one stays in politics? Maria Shriver marries Schwartzenegger and "rules" CA? Caroline Kennedy becomes an Ambassador? Wouldn't you get the heck out of Dodge once two brothers are gunned down in cold blood? Seems a little strange.

But who knows....sometimes it's maddening not knowing the truth about anything.

... if Miles Mathis is correct (and I suspect he's correct more often than most) then this would well explain the strange behavior of Jacqueline.

[Selkie]

I would not say that the video is proof that she murdered him, but it is strange. Very, very strange.
She has the discipline of self-composure while on the world stage that comes from years of practice, and is sometimes preceded by a most unpleasant or constrained childhood, which can serve to fracture the inner being from the public persona.

Good God, what a way to live :(

[Bill Ryan]

http://projectavalon.net/JFK.jpg

[Selkie]

http://projectavalon.net/JFK.jpg

Yes, not to mention that he was going to splinter the CIA and overturn the Federal Reserve. Much too revolutionary a character for them to ever let him live.

[aranuk]

I have to say, it is very hard for me to entertain yet another angle of investigation into the murder of JFK, but now that it has been pointed out, her actions do look very, very strange. Her motions are so professional-looking...so cool and precise...and she moves with a great economy of motion. She does not reel back in shock and horror, and she does not appear to be confused or frightened. I would not say that the video is proof that she murdered him, but it is strange. Very, very strange.

My thoughts too Selkie! When I think about it again and watched the video again I also noticed that as she was climbing frantically onto the boot of the car she used the head of her husband to push herself over the back seat. That alone is an indication that there was no feeling toward her husband. As she pushed his head his body reacted and was pushed away. A maternal instinct I would think would not do that. It was bizarre behaviour to say the least. Imagine if she did indeed shoot JFK she did it in front of the worlds eyes. Talk about a magician's trick.

Stan

[onawah]

Having watched the video and looked at other related links,I have to admit that, however unlikely it seemed at first, it certainly looks very likely now.
It's certainly an eye opener even to those who shouldn't be shocked (especially by the long arm of the Jesuits), and after all this time...!


Imagine if she did indeed shoot JFK she did it in front of the worlds eyes. Talk about a magician's trick.

Stan

[Selkie]

I have to say, it is very hard for me to entertain yet another angle of investigation into the murder of JFK, but now that it has been pointed out, her actions do look very, very strange. Her motions are so professional-looking...so cool and precise...and she moves with a great economy of motion. She does not reel back in shock and horror, and she does not appear to be confused or frightened. I would not say that the video is proof that she murdered him, but it is strange. Very, very strange.

My thoughts too Selkie! When I think about it again and watched the video again I also noticed that as she was climbing frantically onto the boot of the car she used the head of her husband to push herself over the back seat. That alone is an indication that there was no feeling toward her husband. As she pushed his head his body reacted and was pushed away. A maternal instinct I would think would not do that. It was bizarre behaviour to say the least. Imagine if she did indeed shoot JFK she did it in front of the worlds eyes. Talk about a magician's trick.

Stan

Did you see this post of Paul's?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84510-JFK-murdered-by-his-wife&p=990297&viewfull=1#post990297

It is something to think about, for sure.

[Betty]

Hi Frenchy, when I think about it she is the only person in the car that is doing lots of things quickly. The only person. Her right hand is put quickly behind John's back at least twice. Why would she need to put her hand behind his back twice?? Just think....if that happened suddenly without any warning, does her actions with her hands meet with any credible reason for doing so? Her actions do NOT reflect what anyone in a state of shock would likely do.

Stan


I watched a video once that demonstrated Jackie's right arm moved more quickly than humanly possible. Meaning the Zapruder film had been altered. They also pointed out Governor John Connally moved faster than humanly possible.

[Betty]

She has the discipline of self-composure while on the world stage that comes from years of practice, and is sometimes preceded by a most unpleasant or constrained childhood, which can serve to fracture the inner being from the public persona.

It is true Jackie did have a tragic childhood. Her father was an alcoholic and a womanizer. Her mother hated him. Jackie did have a sharp edge so she could deal with the life she was dealt, but she was also a loving person. One only needs to see her children to realize this person loved her children. She loved her husband. Listen to her 1964 taped conversations in: "Jacqueline Kennedy: Historic Conversations on Life with John F. Kennedy" (The book and CD's were at my library) The people who were around Jack and Jackie stated the few months before his death they were closest they had ever been. Jack had greatly cut down on his womanizing. They were holding hands something people had not seen them doing. (I personally think he was scared straight after the Marilyn Monroe affair.)
To illustrate how far Jack had progressed here's a story from the beginning of their marriage. When they were first married Jackie had a miscarriage. Jack was in Europe having an affair. He would not come home. It took his father commanding him to come home saying how bad it would be for his image if he didn't come back. Fast forward to August 1963 Patrick is born premature at 8 months.(Hard to believe babies would die at 8 months compared with what is possible today). Jack is at the hospital sobbing his eyes out. Heartbroken. On the way back he and Jackie were holding hands. The day of the assassination they were holding hands.
The only thing that makes sense is that Jackie's conscious mind was totally oblivious to what happened on 11/22/63.

Did you know about the man holding an open umbrella? Here's a link to the wikipedia article on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_Man_(JFK_assassination)
Here's a link to Josiah Thompson's, author of Six Seconds in Dallas, view on umbrella man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuoZWb9gqv0
Here's a link to Bill Still's view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFMGqQKw12I
I guess this puts me in the conspiracy nut category but I think the umbrella man was a subliminal sign for Jackie.

[ThePythonicCow]

Meaning the Zapruder film had been altered.
Beyond almost all doubt ... it has been altered.

[Harley]

I found this video in the opening post most compelling . . . at first.

After the throat-shot, it does appear that Jackie is grasping his chin area with her left hand (pulling him toward her?) and you can see her right upper-arm and elbow protruding out from behind him (however you cannot see her right hand). After the kill-shot, as she is moving her right hand (up and over him) towards his back, for an instant it even oddly appears that her right arm/hand is extended (longer than should be), as it would probably appear if she were actually holding "something" in her hand. And then as she pulls her hand out from behind his back it once again looks normal again.

BUT, after watching this video many times I finally noticed something that simply does not support this theory.

Take a close look at the angle of her right forearm at the moment of the kill-shot and notice that it is extended in a downward angle relative to his head. With her right arm in this position it would have been near-impossible for her to shoot him in the head, unless of course she had a double-jointed wrist or something.

http://i.imgur.com/ajgBZYg.jpg

So what about her shooting with her left hand, which appears to be clutching his chin area? I had to go see what I could see in other videos.

In this 30 second film clip Zapruder Film Slow Motion (HIGHER QUALITY) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU83R7rpXQY) you can quite clearly see:

1. At the moment of the throat-shot he clutches at his throat with both hands, with both elbows raised high. Jackie then grabs his left upper-arm with her right hand and then she almost immediately grabs his left forearm with her left hand . As she is still holding onto his left arm with both of her hands he begins to slump forward so she bends forward and closer to him in an attempt to comprehend what is happening.

2. At the moment of the kill-shot you can see that her face is practically right in his face. But you can also clearly see that it was not her left hand that was grasping his chin area AND (once again) you can clearly see the downward angle of her right forearm.

Both of her arms are in positions that would be consistent with both of her hands still holding onto his left arm.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU83R7rpXQY

Now I have to ask: If you are sitting next to someone you are close to, and suddenly something completely and totally unexpected happens to them, in that very moment, how would you react?

I know the Zapruder film has been cut, pasted, and manipulated. But based on what I see here, and after watching many many times, my conclusion is Jackie DID NOT KILL JFK.

Thanks for your consideration.

Harley

[Harley]

Meaning the Zapruder film had been altered.
Beyond almost all doubt ... it has been altered.

And I also completely agree with this fact, which makes it utterly pointless to form any conclusions based on these videos.

[giovonni]

Now I have to ask: If you are sitting next to someone you are close to, and suddenly something completely and totally unexpected happens to them, in that very moment, how would you react?

I know the Zapruder film has been cut, pasted, and manipulated. But based on what I see here, and after watching many many times, my conclusion is Jackie DID NOT KILL JFK.

Thanks for your consideration.

Harley

I agree ... Even while knowing she might of been quite aware of his past/ongoing infidelities ... :(

[Selkie]

She has the discipline of self-composure while on the world stage that comes from years of practice, and is sometimes preceded by a most unpleasant or constrained childhood, which can serve to fracture the inner being from the public persona.

It is true Jackie did have a tragic childhood. Her father was an alcoholic and a womanizer. Her mother hated him. Jackie did have a sharp edge so she could deal with the life she was dealt, but she was also a loving person. One only needs to see her children to realize this person loved her children. She loved her husband. Listen to her 1964 taped conversations in: "Jacqueline Kennedy: Historic Conversations on Life with John F. Kennedy" (The book and CD's were at my library) The people who were around Jack and Jackie stated the few months before his death they were closest they had ever been. Jack had greatly cut down on his womanizing. They were holding hands something people had not seen them doing. (I personally think he was scared straight after the Marilyn Monroe affair.)
To illustrate how far Jack had progressed here's a story from the beginning of their marriage. When they were first married Jackie had a miscarriage. Jack was in Europe having an affair. He would not come home. It took his father commanding him to come home saying how bad it would be for his image if he didn't come back. Fast forward to August 1963 Patrick is born premature at 8 months.(Hard to believe babies would die at 8 months compared with what is possible today). Jack is at the hospital sobbing his eyes out. Heartbroken. On the way back he and Jackie were holding hands. The day of the assassination they were holding hands.
The only thing that makes sense is that Jackie's conscious mind was totally oblivious to what happened on 11/22/63.

Did you know about the man holding an open umbrella? Here's a link to the wikipedia article on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_Man_(JFK_assassination)
Here's a link to Josiah Thompson's, author of Six Seconds in Dallas, view on umbrella man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuoZWb9gqv0
Here's a link to Bill Still's view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFMGqQKw12I
I guess this puts me in the conspiracy nut category but I think the umbrella man was a subliminal sign for Jackie.

There is a marvelous book, called JFK And The Unspeakable: Why He Died And Why It Matters, by James W Douglass, that goes into the birth and death of little Patrick, and how his tiny existence was so critical to Jack's awakening, and to the healing of his parents' marriage.

There is also the story of how Jack took LSD with Mary Meyer (not in the above-mentioned book, btw), which may also have helped lead to his awakening to the oneness of all existence. So although the footage is very, very strange, I just can't buy the idea that Jackie murdered her husband.

[Marianne]

Selkie, thanks for mention of that book (JFK and the Unspeakable) ... it sounds fascinating.
I found it online ... at least it appears to be the entire book.

http://archive.org/stream/BooksCommunistManifestoEssaysArticlesReports-VariousPdfFiles2/JfkAndTheUnspeakable-WhyHeDiedAndWhyItMattersjamesW.Douglass_djvu.txt

[Spellbound]

The idea of Jackie setting out to shoot JFK in the back of a car with thousands of people looking on, is silly.

Dave - Toronto

[Olam]

See here this HD stabilized version of the Zapruder film.
I don't see anything wrong coming from Ms Kennedy....

gPdBXh-ltaA

[Wide-Eyed]

Very interesting use of Psych K as it is called by some practitioners- muscle testing your sub conscious. Try a search under psych K may give you a more detailed description. Great post!

[onawah]

This video doesn't look terribly different from the one that was reportedly altered.
One thing that is notable is that Jackie quite roughly pushes Jack forward as she is climbing out of the back seat towards the trunk.
That seems quite telling, and if there's anything we've been learning about lately, it's mind control...
If Jackie was acting under mind control, her culpability doesn't seem so far-fetched, especially considering she and so many close to her-- her family, Onassis, etc., were under strong Jesuit influence.
And admittedly, it's just like the PTB to do something so heinous right under our noses, just to thumb their noses at us; it's all part of their m.o.
Some time ago, I watched some videos (which Betty probably mentioned earlier in the thread) that have to do with relatively recent evidence uncovered concerning JFK's body being secreted away and a different body replacing his in the emergency room.
It seemed quite credible, and the explanation about who the sacrificial lamb was (an agent who looked very much like JFK and was on the scene) made sense.
Which all goes to show how far ahead the assassination was planned in advance, and what lengths were gone to to cover up the reality of what happened.


See here this HD stabilized version of the Zapruder film.
I don't see anything wrong coming from Ms Kennedy....

gPdBXh-ltaA

[Betty]

Some time ago, I watched some videos (which Betty probably mentioned earlier in the thread) that have to do with relatively recent evidence uncovered concerning JFK's body being secreted away and a different body replacing his in the emergency room.

No, a thousand times no. I never meant to imply or say or anything that JFK's body was secreted away and replaced in the emergency room!!!!!!!

I've been involved in several resuscitations and what the ED doctors did in that emergency room was remarkable and they were remarkable themselves. Placing an ET tube, doing a tracheostomy, 2 chest tubes, 3 cutdowns, administering 2 units of blood and fluid all in 17 minutes!!!! They were very well trained. Parkland at that time was caring for about 500 gunshot victims a year. Like what Dr, McCelland said they really didn't think, they reacted with their training, instinctively almost. Not until they tried doing compressions and with each compression blood would ooze out his head did they stop. (Nowadays compressions would have come much quicker in a resuscitation.) Back then it was airway, breathing, compressions. Now it's compressions, airway, breathing.
It's not until they get to Bethesda do the shenanigans start. The body that was taken from Parkland hospital to the Presidential plane at Love field was JFK's!!!! General McHugh stayed with body from Parkland to Bethesda, but he was never asked to testify at the Warren Commission. Neither was he asked to testify to the HSCA. The only way I got to listen to what he had to say, in his 1978 oral history interview, was to go to the JFK library and listen to it. First I was only allowed to read the transcript because I hadn't given the staff enough notice so they could listen to the tape and clear it for National Security reasons. The next time I went, I must admit again I didn't give them much notice but they were very kind and did get the tape cleared. It was a great thing to listen to. You can also read what General McHugh saw in Manchester's book, "Death of a President".
Again the body Dr. Humes, Boswell and Finck autopsied never had chest tubes or intravenous catheters inserted into it. In fact, at Parkland, one of the intravenous lines infiltrated. Infiltrated means the fluid went into the tissue making it swollen. After you die swelling does not go down! The body Humes autopsied did not have any swollen tissue. The film that was taken at that autopsy by John Stringer, who was a world class medical photographer, was taken by the Secret Service. John Stringer was not allowed to develop his own film. He was told it was for security reasons! In that day it was etachrome or kodachrome film and it was very important for the photographer to develop his own film so he could get the mix of chemicals just right. Each of the participants at the Humes had to sign a form stating they would keep silent about what happened at the autopsy. Many would not testify until they were reassured they freed from that command of silence.
The HSCA stated the JFK autopsy photos that are on file are terrible. They are out of focus, look like they have been taken by a amateur. No labels on the photos. No long views, with corresponding short views. When Dr. Finck was given the photos to look at the HSCA interview he looked at them and didn't say anything for quite awhile. Finally he said,"How do we know these are photos of JFK?"
If Robert Knudsen, who didn't have medical photography training, took the photos that would make sense. John Stringer was given awards for his great medical photography so saying these terrible photos are his doesn't make sense.

Here is Dr. Humes, Boswell and Finck's tape recorded and transcript of their 1978 HSCA testimony on Mary Ferrell's website: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/HSCA_Medical_Interviews.html

Here is John Stringer's tape recorded and transcript of his 1996 ARRB interview: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/ARRB_Medical_Interviews.html

At the bottom of this page is the Knudsen's family 1996 ARRB tape recorded testimony, there isn't a transcript: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/ARRB_Medical_Interviews.html

Robert Knudsen was JFK personal photographer. He stated in a magazine that, "Photographing the JFK autopsy was the most difficult thing he had ever done". The Knudsen family was very upset that Stringer claimed to be the only autopsy photographer.

[onawah]

That was my remark: "Some time ago," etc. Apologies to Betty for my mistake, as apparently the videos I referred to were not mentioned by her.
However, if anyone knows the information I am referring to, they would probably add to this discussion.
Unfortunately, I don't recall enough details to be able to provide a link.
But there is certainly enough obfuscation of facts and differing theories in this case to make me wonder if we will ever get to the bottom of it.

Some time ago, I watched some videos (which Betty probably mentioned earlier in the thread) that have to do with relatively recent evidence uncovered concerning JFK's body being secreted away and a different body replacing his in the emergency room.

No, a thousand times no. I never meant to imply or say or anything that JFK's body was secreted away and replaced in the emergency room!!!!!!!
.

[raregem]

My 2 cents-
I do not have the video to show my opinion. Sorry.
I think Mrs. J K gave the final shot to Mr. J K
What I think I saw was Mrs. K putting her hand behind Mr K and the seat immediately after the head blast. (God- this is awful). Thought I saw a glimmer of a possible gun being placed behind Mr. K into the seat then Mrs. K climbing the trunk.

Seems very plausible Mrs. K was being "triggered" to carry out the final kill shot. Of course, her memory of such would be buried.
I wondered what John Jr. found out when he was murdered.

[greybeard]

Another theory was that the chauffeur did the final shot (s)
Opinions are opinions though in fairness some guesses are more educated and plausible than others.
I haven’t a clue.

Chris

[Betty]

If the chauffeur, William Greer, had shot JFK, JFK's face would have been hit. When the staff at Parkland saw JFK there were no wounds to the face.

[KiwiElf]

If the chauffeur, William Greer, had shot JFK, JFK's face would have been hit. When the staff at Parkland saw JFK there were no wounds to the face.

Sorry, but that's not quite correct; Kennedy's head was facing down & turned to the left when the fatal shot struck, exploding his head - that shot was determined to have come from in front of Kennedy (the big question being from where and from whom).

Suggest you read Robert Groden's books which featured the more recently released autopsy shots at the time, (shown in the images below and also now on Google Images). THAT impact struck Kennedy's upper right temple, exiting from the rear of his head with a hole the size of a fist, effectively taking off a large section of the top of his head, and obviously a completely DIFFERENT weapon/projectile from the one which initially struck him in the throat and the bullet hole found below his right/neck shoulder (from behind). That would indicate at least 3 x different shooters (none of them Jackie).

There were a total of 6 shots fired:

Play the video in slow motion: (and preferably get the original which hasn't been "retouched" as much as the ones shown here)

1. From behind, missed completely and struck the pavement
2. From the side and front, striking Kennedy in the throat (the site of the tracheotomy - this occurred just before the car emerges from behind the sign, Kennedy can be seen grasping his throat, the shot most likely coming from the grassy knoll
3 & 4. Almost simultaneous, both from behind, one striking governor Connally, going through the back of his jump seat, through his armpit & chest and the other striking Kennedy in the right of his back below his shoulder, pushing Kennedy's torso forward, down and to the left..
5. The fatal shot, and completely different weapon, fired from the front, throwing Kennedy violently backward.
6. A split second later, Connally is struck again from behind, in his right wrist.

Jackie is attempting to get out of the car. WHY???

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http://www.jfkmurder.com/

Plus an earlier thread on this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64180-Jackie-Kennedy-Is-Killer-Queen-Did-She-kill-JFK&p=742580#post742580

[ThePythonicCow]

I was born after JFK was assassinated and never questioned the official story until after I awoke to 9-11 Truth -- never had any interest before. But I grew up in Mass and remember that we had a framed portrait of JFK and RFK in our hallway. My family believed in the Camelot myth. But there are too many stories of who did it and why it just gives me a headache to try to figure it out. This link is to yet another theory -- by a writer whose other articles I have posted on the forum before: Miles Mathis.

http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf


Mathis' theory: that JFK faked his own death and ruled in secrecy. That clones or doubles were used. I know it sounds really absurd, since many people point to the day JFK was "assassinated" as the day the coup of the real U.S./government occurred. But in some ways, it does make some sense: I mean, two brothers assassinated and yet the third one stays in politics? Maria Shriver marries Schwartzenegger and "rules" CA? Caroline Kennedy becomes an Ambassador? Wouldn't you get the heck out of Dodge once two brothers are gunned down in cold blood? Seems a little strange.

But who knows....sometimes it's maddening not knowing the truth about anything.

... if Miles Mathis is correct (and I suspect he's correct more often than most) then this would well explain the strange behavior of Jacqueline.

Miles has just updated this paper on the JFK assassination, http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf, with some more details and photos, as described at http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html with this notice:

PAPER UPDATE, added 9/25/16, The Hidden Kings (http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf). I have added about 7 pages of photo analysis to this paper, which now makes it even longer than my Tate/Manson paper. See p. 31 for more photos of the Presidential limo, and p. 73 for 7 more fake photos of the family.
As I reread this paper now, I am finding it very interesting.

Once again, Miles has a unique way of looking at things, with plenty of evidence. He postulates that a few rich families, say the Kennedy's, Rockefeller's and Morgan's, successfully carried out a covert coup, with Truman as their first frontman, in the 1940's Truman was foisted on Roosevelt (FDR) as his Vice President, when FDR ran for his fourth Presidential term. FDR died (or appeared to die) shortly after that fourth term started, making Truman the President of the US. It was Truman who bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki (whether with atomic bombs or not is a separate discussion), and it was Truman who got the NSA and CIA started, in 1947.

The twists and turns in Miles take on things since then makes for a better plot than most mystery novels. I recommend reading it.

[avid]

Wow! Just spent hours pouring over that link to The Hidden Kings, absolutely fascinating. Seems to make sense about the 'real' shadow government, do they work alongside the Rothschilds as well...? Hidden in plain sight, especially coincidental dates. Far too many anomalies to be total fiction. Thanks Paul, I used to read this chaps 'papers' a lot, until he went overboard about John Lennon, that was a bit of a stretch (I think)!

[Atlas]

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_3_JFK_jackie_ll_131022_wblog.jpg

The way she smiles does not reveal anything suspicious, so, unless she was brainwashed, I don't see her killing her husband. It must have been somebody else.