The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

[Carmody]

http://www.greencarreports.com/blog/1020063_pollution-perspective-one-giant-cargo-ship-emits-as-much-as-50-million-ca


Here at GreenCarReports.com, we mostly write about, you know, cars. But occasionally something so appalling comes across our desk that we want other people to know.

Today's candidate is an article from the British newspaper The Guardian. The headline decorously notes the health risks of the global shipping industry have been "understated". But once you dig into the data, the word understated hardly seems sufficient.

The bottom line: One giant container ship pollutes the air as much as 50 million cars. Yes, that's 50 million. Which means that just 15 ships that size emit as much as today's entire global "car park" of roughly 750 million vehicles. Among the bad stuff: Sulfur, soot, and other particulate matter that embeds itself in human lungs to cause a variety of cardiopulmonary illnesses.

Since the mid-1970s, developed countries have imposed increasingly strict regulations on auto emissions. In three decades, precise electronic engine controls, new high-pressure injectors, and sophisticated catalytic converters have cut emissions of nitrous oxides, carbon dioxides, and hydrocarbons by more than 98 percent. New regulations will further reduce these already minute limits.

But ships today are where cars were in 1965: utterly uncontrolled, free to emit whatever they like. Just one of many statistics: A car driven 9,000 miles a year emits 3.5 ounces of sulfur oxides--while the engine in a large cargo ship produces 5,500 tons.

And in the near term, very little is going to change. Why? Two reasons: Bunker fuel, and jurisdiction.


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This problem can be eliminated to ZERO, and I do mean ZERO pollutants, nearly overnight. ZERO. I'm not kidding in the slightest. ZERO pollutants.

For probably quite a bit less than $60M. ie, less than $1M dollars spent on outfitting each ship. There are 57 ships of that size according to the wiki entry on such ships. and much more can easily be done to the thousands of other ships sailing the ocean waters..

Very, very simply, the answer is...mixing the air intake of these giant engines with.....wait for it.....:


BROWN'S GAS.

It really is that simple and it can be done in less than about 3-6 months, for each ship.


Except, you are not allowed to have or use this technology in any large or powerful public way.

It's too close to being an over unity technology.

It is a a gateway technology.

it Illustrates many complex issues with the standard theories of physics that have yet to be answered and shows people the path to gaining energy independence.

Thus, 2,850,000,000 extra cars (in the form of these 57 large container ships) are "on the roads" of the world.... all over a desire to not allow $60M dollars worth of well known and easy to implement hardware/technology.

That's 2.85 BILLION cars would be effectively taken off the roads, pollution wise, for ...less than $60 million US dollars.


I personally know this to be 100% true, this reduction of pollutants, to that level. The engines on these ships would also be come more fuel efficient to the tune of being about 15%-30% more efficient and longer lasting....even though their power is producing the brown's gas for the intake on these engines.

I spent $7000 to buy a commercial grade Brown's gas generator in order to play with this technology. So I do know exactly what I'm talking about.

This is how screwed up the world is-- at this time.

Yes, it really is that bad.

Yes, the world could knock out 2.85 billion "units" of individual vehicle pollution in less than 2 months, if they worked at it.

China could implement browns gas production (for adding into the air intake mixture) at each coal fired plant....... and be almost entirely free of pollution in less than a year.

The United states could be 100% energy independent with all the coal shale it has and use it in the extreme, until the cows come home....and be 100% pollution free..IF they used brown's gas on the air intakes of all the coal fired electricity production plants in the US. We're talking about all energy production expanding at a usage rate of maybe 10-20% per year, for the next 100 years and STILL be 100% pollution free in the production of that electricity. This could likely be implemented all across the US for less than $1B for the Brown's gas production hardware, if not 5-10x less money spent. These brown's gas production devices are excruciatingly simple to build, operate... and maintain.

These things have been known for years.

Do you see any action in these areas?

NO.

But you get hammered into a corner...don't you? Hhhmmm? So what do you think about that?

Are you angry now? You should be.

[shadowstalker]

The other reason why the numbers are like that, is that in some states here, the law says that any care over 25 yrs old are not aloud on the road.

[Carmody]

The car amounts to a near zero in comparison to the target on the backs of those container ships.

That it can be fixed for less than $60 million, and it is not....is appalling beyond belief.

With a known and simple technology.

My issue..... is that if you want to save the world from pollution, today, to be active and actually do something, something that is in full reality actually achievable.... this thread is likely THE most important thread you will see in this year or this decade.



Yet I'm sure it will achieve less notice than a cryptology thread on a dead naked (de-haired) sloth.

[Carmody]

It's funny how the most important information concerning pollution from man made sources...and how to fix it nearly immediately........ can get lost like that.

People talk about caring and paying attention.

However, this thread does illustrate how many go for sensationalism over substance.

I could change the title of the thread, but that does a disservice to what is within it. It's sad really. Real actual rubber on the ground... and it is totally missed, like someone run down in a stampede of ignorance.

[Luke]

Too much Data, not enough Drama, Carmody.
People are looking for "feelies". Huxley was right on the money.

There is giant amount of solutions out there. This is but one of them. Seems easy enough to implement, but then there is problem of Status Quo and Allowed Questions.
There is no way of working within the system. Only sane way is mirror it's functions to more sane framework, working on fringe. But you already know that.

[Carmody]

The thing about this one is that even jewelers use these devices for making perfect jewelery.

There are well over 10,000 of these devices in use all the time (for jewelery use). Far more, I'd say....but I'm not exactly sure of the number of these torch type devices (specific versions) that are out there.

The technology is far more widely available than you would think. It is used in the jewelery trade as it is the only thing that allows for perfect blending with no effluents of any kind, for glass and additives or any other work that a jeweler might do.

[Steven]

It's funny how the most important information concerning pollution from man made sources...and how to fix it nearly immediately........ can get lost like that.

People talk about caring and paying attention.

However, this thread does illustrate how many go for sensationalism over substance.

I could change the title of the thread, but that does a disservice to what is within it. It's sad really. Real actual rubber on the ground... and it is totally missed, like someone run down in a stampede of ignorance.

Oh boy, it wouldn't be the first time. The world does not lack of brilliant solution at our reach. It is the opposite, it's full of solution. Its lack is in awareness. Don't loose your hope, keep repeating, because yes, repeating is indeed necessary :) I do it all the time, here included :)

Namaste, Steven

[Steven]

I have found another good article on this topic, the author writes, quotes;

"The pollution of just 16 Super Cargo ships equals that of all the cars in the world!"

"There are now an estimated 100,000 ships on the seas, and the fleet is growing fast as goods are ferried in vast quantities from Asian industrial powerhouses to consumers in Europe and North America."

End of the quotes.

These super polluters transport, mainly, "cheap wares" coming from Asian countries to the Atlantic consumers countries. Products that, massively, will end up buried in the ground in less than a decade after their arrival.

And one of the reason why the producing countries (Asia/Africa/Latin America) are producing in mass comes from the dictation of the World Bank and the International Monetary Found to pay back both their ETERNAL public and external debts by increasing their national growth. On external debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_debt and on internal public debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_debt

Conclusion: We pollute to produce them (products), pollute to transport them, and pollute to bury them, while in their very short lifetime, were useless, fragile, and cumbersome. There is, once again, a direct link to our super ill consumerism addiction and the state of the planet. Humanity does not have a "number" problem (overpopulation), it is a problem of behavior.

Here is the article: http://www.viewzone.com/sixteenships.html

Edit: Personally, I've been repeating the same thing since 1994... And debts are to be nullified, the sooner the better.

Namaste, Steven

[Luke]

Personally, I've been repeating the same thing since 1994... And debts are to be nullified, the sooner the better.
Again we are exploring debt problem ... or rather the thing debt means : claims on real people lives and real, scarce resources.

Both State Corporations (China, Russia) and Corporate States ( USA, EU .. ) have no vested interest in allowing for durable goods and efficient transport.

Actually the more ineffective transport infrastructure is, the better for ones ruling them - as it would mean raising costs of operation and that would need even more debt would need to be issued to service it, further tightening grip on population under control.

Making things throwaway by design mean user modifications are forbidden, so are "unauthorized" repairs. When something is broken, you are forced to buy new one, paying full price. The upgrade process is also carefully controlled: every new iteration is only a fraction better than the last one .. but you will buy it anyway.

With efficient infrastructure-less transport there would be no need for various agencies controlling this area. There would be no bids for contractors. No workers unions. That is why ideas like heavy-lift airships are squashed - they damage status quo- the carefully woven web of interconnections that is making sure, there would be no "escape routes" - the more one is dependent on the system the better. No solution that will lessen the control system is acceptable.

Every problem- political, social, enviromental- is a subject of waging perpetual war upon .. a war that cannot be win, but it consumes real life resources .. and again produces more debt. Ad infinium.

So in very finite time we would have wars to secure scarce resources needed to produce and transport throwaway things .. while people will slide further and further into slavery. And very few people would ask: why on earth they are fighting over them.

But again, it is all about control.

[Steven]

...But again, it is all about control.

Exactly Luke, "Control and Manipulation" are the finality of most part of these debts.

There is also a part of it that is called "Odious Debt", which is a kind of debt where the capital did not serve the people for the best of all, but rather serves against them through wars, black projects, oppressions, etc... A very large portion of the national debts of the world are "Odious Debts". Here a definition: http://www.jubileeusa.org/truth-about-debt/dont-owe-wont-pay/the-concept-of-odious-debt.html and here a very short but "right to the point" article on "Odious Debt" ; http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/02/refuse-to-pay-government-debt-incurred.html

Even the portion of the national debt that is not "Odious" is still "not ethical". When a nation has large deficit due to their poor management (waste), they do go to the "Reserve", which is private and borrow money to fill up their lack. But at what interest rates? On which condition? What is the term and who is the lander? How many times we have paid back the capital of any given debt? (Brazil had paid their initial capital over 13th times in 1999 and was still paying a growing debt!)

And to pay these debts the banks ask us to produce and sell more (exportation/national growth) resulting in over 100,000 super cargo on the seas polluting to fill up our houses of "plastic garbage".

The more I analyze this situation, since over 16 years, the more I am convinced the national debts (internal and external) are to be nullified once and for all. But it is not all. The whole system have to change to follow up, and it will.

Namaste, Steven

[Luke]

Agreed, but we're hijacking the thread about >>cost effective elimination of pollutants from transport<< here :)

[Steven]

Agreed, but we're hijacking the thread about >>cost effective elimination of pollutants from transport<< here :)

Oh, Are we? Honestly, I don't think so. National Debts/production/consumption/pollution are quite tightly linked. And it kept the thread alive for a little longer :)

Namaste, Steven

[Carmody]

Just me and the ex-moderators in this thread. Echo! echo! I can hear myself....

the problem with brown's gas is it is the same as source field energy.

It cancels radiation. COMPLETELY. like pyramids...and these new particles that have been found as being emitted by the sun. decay rates have changed when radioactive materials are put in pyramids, their decay rates speed up, or they decay faster. And the sun is apparently now emitting a 'particle' that is doing the same.

it is, essentially a REJUVENATION wave.

Read David Wilcock's new book called 'the source field investigations', for more details.

The BAD GUYS are suppressing the wave/particle from the sun and the galaxy, with chemtrails and biological contamination.

this means that radio carbon dating is probably..invalid.

That brown's gas is actually working with the origins of all matter time and space. Which takes you back to the 'electric universe' model. And the question of lithium thread.

This is why a simple and safe EXISTING and available everywhere technology that would take $60Million US to implement fully, to take 2.85 billion cars off the road...is not being used.

They'd rather hammer you into the ground and use scarcity tactics on you.

[Hughe]

I add a flavor.

5,000 thousands fuel-saving patents have been locked in U.S only over half century. In 1970s, Ford or GM perfected high-milage technologes - 100 mile per gallon was entry level. Honda makes a 50cc motorcycle that goes 74 km per liter, which is equal to 166 mile per gallon. ;) Make it a trike or compact car with aerodynamics into, people will buy and use it. Instead Honda makes Gasoline-Electric hybrid model, fuel cell. These look promising but really subtle games they play for public stunts.

How about they abolish all the war machines that have no emission or pollution guideline? A F-16 fighter jet burns a thousand gallons per flight. Military vehicles, tanks, diesel burning equipment. Great environmentalists, global warming alarmists simply avoid it.

[ulli]

I didn't realize. Will it help to keep this thread on the front page?

[Czarek]

Honda makes a 50cc motorcycle that goes 74 km per liter, which is equal to 166 mile per gallon. ;) .

There are a lot of people wanting to achieve that fuel efficiency (or even higher) by simply putting a 49cc engine into a bicycle but in my area, that's illegal.

I should add that in Canada it is legal to motorize your bicycle in Alberta.

[modwiz]

IMPORTANT TOPIC! Let's crank this baby up. This is an extension of Snakes in Suits and Archons.

This is a real, science, you can touch it, subject. The first thin I would request of the OP is to give me/us explanation enough to be able to know what Brown's Gas is and to be able to define it after using it in a conversation with somebody who is hearing the term for the first time. Like a lot of readers here will be. I have heard of it, from Carmody, but still cannot use it in a sentence without embarrassing myself when asked. "Huh"?

Time to give the crickets some company here. Brown's Gas has to become a meme. Meme creation is vitally important to creating awareness. African Gray parrots should be saying, "Brown's Gas, its time has come". or "Gimme a cracker and go tell your congresscritter to install a Brown's Gas device on every coal installation".

So, help at least me, Carmody. We have a crew I am sure will be willing to create awareness around this subject.

What is Brown's Gas?

[Carmody]

This is a difficult and touchy subject. It will take some time to gather the information.

In the meantime, here's some light reading. :p

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Brown%27s_Gas


On radiation or radioactive materials:

http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/node/456

What can BG do to help?

To answer that you need to understand that the only effective radioactive neutralization protocol I currently know of, that uses BG, is to mix the radioactive material with approximately equal quantities of iron and aluminum (by volume) and heat the whole mixture to liquid (using a BG flame). When the mixture is hot enough it will explode... not like a bomb, more like a firecracker.

Iron and aluminum make thermite (research thermite to learn the optimum quantities to use), and the BG provides the special transmutation energy. BG exhibits transmutative characteristics in other applications too, like processing ore.

Most materials are radioactive because the electrons have been stripped off the molecules; the nucleus then ejects particles of various kinds (radioactivity) to try to 'balance' the 'weight' (and transmute to a lighter, glasslike, material). Somehow, the molecules are able to use the special energy in the BG to complete this transmutation in seconds (instead of millennia), when the material is molten and given the shock of the thermite explosion.

So it's impractical to use BG, as far as I know, on anything that you don't want to destroy. The BG 'explodes' the material and does the neutralization during the explosion. You need to affect the material on an atomic level to neutralize the radioactivity.

Also it's impractical to use BG on any material that isn't concentrated radioactive. It takes electrical power to make the BG, plus quantities of iron and aluminum to make the explosive reaction.

Thus, BG works well to neutralize CONCENTRATED nuclear waste, like spent fuel rods or decommissioned warheads, but practically useless at remediation of radioactive materials that have dispersed into the general environment.

BG has been proven (Canada government certified tests) to be an extremely effective, practical and inexpensive method to neutralize the radioactivity of materials generally produced by nuclear powerplants. The neutralization can be done onsite, eliminating the need for transportation and storage of nuclear waste.

There is an organization (PACE) that has been lobbying for the Canadian Government to use BG to neutralize radioactive waste... with zero results. It seems that the Nuclear Industry does NOT want it's waste neutralized. I think they see it as potentially useful to make small power sources (like nuclear batteries), bullets, etc.

I have assembled a bunch of information, (including a video showing the testing being done at the Canadian research reactor at Chalk River Ontario), that documents what I've just told you. No need to buy it unless you want to be involved with using BG to neutralize concentrated radioactive materials.

[modwiz]

OK. I do want to focus of BG for the basic anti pollution properties you stated at the beginning of this thread. Keeping it simple and utilitarian is a winning formula if there are to be any winners.
You stated it can be produces, on site, where it is to be used by the very power source it will be treating? Do I have that part correct?

[Mad Hatter]

I have seen the watertorch type welders in commercial production but had no idea about the larger HHO generators being commercially available. This in and of itself is fantatstic in my mind because it means the tech is operating on a commercial basis in the real world. This then makes the continuing denial of the science behind concepts like the transmutation of radioactive waste material that much more difficult.

What I still can't get my head round is that most large power plants are still based on the process of boiling a really really big pot of water to make steam to drive turbines. As such the child in me says why not replace say the coal or nuclear fired heating element with one of these instead. (Assuming you have an adequate supply of water to fuel it)

Surely there must be technical reasons other than the fact that the potential display of COP(coefficient of production) > 1 would be too blatant...

[RMorgan]

How about airplanes?? They are huge polluters as well, and our governments completely ignore them.

A have a friend in São Paulo, who lives about 3Km from the international airport. He has to clean his apartment literally everyday, to get rid of the disgusting black soot...

Cheers,

Raf.

[Carmody]

I have seen the watertorch type welders in commercial production but had no idea about the larger HHO generators being commercially available. This in and of itself is fantatstic in my mind because it means the tech is operating on a commercial basis in the real world. This then makes the continuing denial of the science behind concepts like the transmutation of radioactive waste material that much more difficult.

What I still can't get my head round is that most large power plants are still based on the process of boiling a really really big pot of water to make steam to drive turbines. As such the child in me says why not replace say the coal or nuclear fired heating element with one of these instead. (Assuming you have an adequate supply of water to fuel it)

Surely there must be technical reasons other than the fact that the potential display of COP(coefficient of production) > 1 would be too blatant...

You need a seed material as the HHO gas (brown's gas) brings everything it comes into contact with, to the point of electrical conductivity that is a match for the atomic electro-potential of energetic release that is in a hydrogen atom.

Quantum to quantum discrete atomic coupling and dimensional interface. Also known as chemistry, in this world.

as the hydrogen potential dominates as it is the highest or closest to aetheric frequential/angular/polar perfection, the first element....thus... every element deals with this energetic additive/interaction differently, but the result is invariably a form of perfected connection or action completed.

Total burn, total action, no effluent, perfect burn.

[araucaria]

Thank you for bumping this thread, which I missed the first time around. And thanks to Carmody for the OP.

The subject indeed represents possibly an important intermediary step on the way to free energy.

Given the tiny sum of money involved, this has to be deliberate at some level. A Ben Fulford type scenario may not be necessary here in financial terms, but it strikes me as being the most plausible (yes!) way of bringing about the requisite circumstances for curing this problem and many other similar problems.

[13th Warrior]

I want to make a point here but, i do not wish to derail this thread off topic by another controversy...

It should be noted that part of the problem or better stated, a political issue that serves to block these types of solutions from being acted upon in full scale has been the politicizing of the global warming debate.

People have been convinced that global warming isn't a man made issue; thus there is no need to change the status quo concerning air emissions.

I think it's beyond arrogance to think that all the stuff we pump into our air, land and water doesn't have an impact on our environment!

Before we can implement any solution; first we have to admit we have a problem!

[Carmody]

I want to make a point here but, i do not wish to derail this thread off topic by another controversy...

I should be noted that part of the problem or better stated, a political issue that serves to block these types of solutions from being acted upon in full scale has been the politicizing of the global warming debate.

People have been convinced that global warming isn't a man made issue; thus there is no need to change the status quo concerning air emissions.

I think it's beyond arrogance to think that all the stuff we pump into our air, land and water doesn't have an impact on our environment!

Before we can implement any solution; first we have to admit we have a problem!

Do not assume another possesses ignorance.... in the motion and thus reflection.... within the act of your own illumination. :)

[seko]

This is one of the subjects that I 've been searching on the net recently.

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[araucaria]

I want to make a point here but, i do not wish to derail this thread off topic by another controversy...

I should be noted that part of the problem or better stated, a political issue that serves to block these types of solutions from being acted upon in full scale has been the politicizing of the global warming debate.

People have been convinced that global warming isn't a man made issue; thus there is no need to change the status quo concerning air emissions.

I think it's beyond arrogance to think that all the stuff we pump into our air, land and water doesn't have an impact on our environment!

Before we can implement any solution; first we have to admit we have a problem!

We do indeed have a problem, but it is not carbon emissions as presented. Carbon emissions correlate best with an 800 year time lapse, in other words they are not a realtime gauge. Also, carbon taxes are designed to keep the polluters in business.

[13th Warrior]

I want to make a point here but, i do not wish to derail this thread off topic by another controversy...

I should be noted that part of the problem or better stated, a political issue that serves to block these types of solutions from being acted upon in full scale has been the politicizing of the global warming debate.

People have been convinced that global warming isn't a man made issue; thus there is no need to change the status quo concerning air emissions.

I think it's beyond arrogance to think that all the stuff we pump into our air, land and water doesn't have an impact on our environment!

Before we can implement any solution; first we have to admit we have a problem!

We do indeed have a problem, but it is not carbon emissions as presented. Carbon emissions correlate best with an 800 year time lapse, in other words they are not a realtime gauge. Also, carbon taxes are designed to keep the polluters in business.

Like i said; political issues = carbon taxes.

What about acid rain, mercury and other heavy metals in fish? All from exhaust emissions.

What about the particulate matter in the air?

Smaller than dirt pollution particulates as rain drop nuclei makes clouds more reflective and moisture dense; you have clouds that can carry and dump much more rain water which means flooding.


Do not assume another possesses ignorance.... in the motion and thus reflection.... within the act of your own illumination.

[araucaria]

13th warrior, rather than go through all the individual problems we have, we need to get rid of this politico-financial clique who are causing them all.

That is why I say Ben Fulford's approach is the most realistic we are ever likely to get to make this happen. So it appears entirely unrealistic? Then we need to overcome the apparent drawbacks and focus on the desired outcome. Surely this is what Avalon is all about.

For example: this lawsuit taken to a corrupt US court that would probably like to throw it out. Think about it: there are only a handful of individuals here standing between us and the desired outcome. Let's focus our energies on getting them to do the right thing, instead of dissing Fulford.

There was another thread the other day talking about the power of Wiccan ritual. I mentioned the example of Hitler's inexplicable non-invasion of Britain after Dunkirk. If such things can be done, well then, let those who are capable - and we all are to some extent - just do it!

:)

[zebowho]

Thanks for bringing this one back Carmody! Believe me, if I had the money...

I have noticed several problems with getting this to become commonly accepted (as I'm sure you already know), aside from the energy giants that control fossil fuels and that godzilla Wade Frazier talks about. Most people, if they believe its true, simply want to buy one, not make it let alone learn about the technology to successfully build one. Another problem I see is with those that are successful with a prototype still can't get away from the scarcity based mind set in that they try to set up a corporation, or try to patent a design, basically lock up "their" idea. That will never make any progress IMHO. We need to break out of the scarcity based matrix we call reality.

I personally think what this needs is a network of people, a large, serious network of "builders" that would be willing to assemble something (something useful & not just a toy) based on standardized plans and then start handing them out. The ones receiving them can help by paying for materials only, no profit. Its sort of "open source" with that one exception. Is this unrealistic? Maybe. Is it worth a shot? Maybe! Pair this with focused intention of protection and it could stand a chance. Could we see enough of these people playing with BG to stand together, standardize and bring it all forward? I haven't seen it yet but that could change!

-z

[modwiz]

13th warrior, rather than go through all the individual problems we have, we need to get rid of this politico-financial clique who are causing them all.

That is why I say Ben Fulford's approach is the most realistic we are ever likely to get to make this happen. So it appears entirely unrealistic? Then we need to overcome the apparent drawbacks and focus on the desired outcome. Surely this is what Avalon is all about.

For example: this lawsuit taken to a corrupt US court that would probably like to throw it out. Think about it: there are only a handful of individuals here standing between us and the desired outcome. Let's focus our energies on getting them to do the right thing, instead of dissing Fulford.

There was another thread the other day talking about the power of Wiccan ritual. I mentioned the example of Hitler's inexplicable non-invasion of Britain after Dunkirk. If such things can be done, well then, let those who are capable - and we all are to some extent - just do it!

:)

Hitler's non-invasion of Dunkirk appeared to be his attempt to convey to the British that he did not want to be at war with them. It was behind the scenes financiers and collaborators like Churchill and Roosevelt with the budding MIC that made WWll the conflagration it became. This does not make Hitler a good guy. Most people in charge of Western democracies are just pieces on a chess board being played by others (financial families) to maximize profits and misery.Wiccans were rowing with the current on that one. I am all for using magical thought and gatherings to create positive influence and outcomes for the world. It beats watching TV and reading/writing fear porn.

:focus: Brown's Gas and how to make its' applications well known. How to get the concept on the lips of the masses.

Global warming/climate change:
Pollution and poisoning the earth, water and the air must stop. The whole global warming or cooling is a distraction and energy waster. Pollution bad. The reason why........because pollution is bad. Water is for drinking not poisoning. Shorelines are not meant to be littered with syringes and tampon applicators. Air that causes repiratory diseases is unacceptable. Does anyone see a need to bring climate change into this conversation? It is nothing but something to fight over. Something to divide us. Something to piss us off and be unable to think clearly.

[Red Skywalker]

In Holland there is already a car running on Brown's Gas:

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(No english subs, dutch spoken)

Measurements and experiments are being conducted. Within a couple of months the first kits can be build. The only thing in the way is law and regulations. But whatever the outcome of the authorities, this technology will be made available to the public.

[araucaria]

Modwiz, while I agree there are always multiple strands to these things, invading England was an interesting option that was suddenly removed, although it was well planned - Operation Seelöwe (Sealion). I'll try and dig up a quote.

[araucaria]

I don't think I went off topic. As i stated on Bill's thread, there are many people doing good work in all of these ecological areas, but they may not be noticed as doing so until it suddenly becomes the done thing, i.e when certain obstacles have been removed once and for all.

[WhiteFeather]

Give this a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE

[transiten]

You know David Wilcock was going on a radioshow with a guy who had invented an engine running on water...the very day before the show, "someone" broke into his office and wiped out every trace of it and the inventor himself "died" from something i don't recall just now..."coincidence??" It's all in one of Davids blogs, don't have the time to check it out justnow. It's the same story over and over....

[Dennis Leahy]

...Yet I'm sure it will achieve less notice than a cryptology thread on a dead naked (de-haired) sloth.
Was the sloth blond or brunette? 3-toed or 2-toed?

But seriously, I am interested and am reading your thread.

Dennis

[Calz]

You know David Wilcock was going on a radioshow with a guy who had invented an engine running on water...the very day before the show, "someone" broke into his office and wiped out every trace of it and the inventor himself "died" from something i don't recall just now..."coincidence??" It's all in one of Davids blogs, don't have the time to check it out justnow. It's the same story over and over....

Carmody somewhere suggested that this is in the hands of many people.

Why that has not translated into implementation I don't know (perhaps visiting too many avalon threads).

Anyway ... the point being it is (apparently) too wide spread to suppress by the "usual means"???

[araucaria]

It all comes down to the free energy dilemma expressed so succinctly by Brian O'Leary: "we don't want Dick Cheney running this show".

We need free human energy before applying it to transport or anything else.

[Mad Hatter]

You need a seed material as the HHO gas (brown's gas) brings everything it comes into contact with, to the point of electrical conductivity that is a match for the atomic electro-potential of energetic release that is in a hydrogen atom.

Quantum to quantum discrete atomic coupling and dimensional interface. Also known as chemistry, in this world.

as the hydrogen potential dominates as it is the highest or closest to aetheric frequential/angular/polar perfection, the first element....thus... every element deals with this energetic additive/interaction differently, but the result is invariably a form of perfected connection or action completed.

Total burn, total action, no effluent, perfect burn.

I'm under the pump at work at the moment and unfortunately I don't have time for the additional follow up research your posts inevitably lead me to do. Therefore at the risk of confirming yet again my status as, relatively speaking, a complete imbecile in these matters what you describe here instantly struck me as being in the realm of plasma physics.

I accept that this may be potentially so far off base as to be out of the field but if not then would you describe the Pantone/Geet system as being a poor cousin of this type of process?

Second question, does it matter what the seed material is because if not then surely what is presently going to landfill presents yet another useful application of such processing?

Lastly, another indulgence if I may, a link to the a thread you started (and I seem to have lost amongst all the recent drama) about driving testing for psycopathy from a grass roots perspective. Out of a lot of what I have seen here to date, that one struck me as one of the sharpest suggestions for collective action that could bring about really useful change by a country mile...

cheers

PS Bumpity bumpity bump ;)

[seko]

......found out what I was looking for thank you.

:yo:

[sygh]

The thing about this one is that even jewelers use these devices for making perfect jewelery.

There are well over 10,000 of these devices in use all the time (for jewelery use). Far more, I'd say....but I'm not exactly sure of the number of these torch type devices (specific versions) that are out there.

The technology is far more widely available than you would think. It is used in the jewelery trade as it is the only thing that allows for perfect blending with no effluents of any kind, for glass and additives or any other work that a jeweler might do.

I know an artist friend who made his own and uses it to weld his creations. I've been up to my eyeballs in working out sustainable energy solutions, along with energy audits, a fascinating subject, and of course, Brown Gas fits right in; however... and wouldn't you know there has to be a "however", the subject of fuel alternatives is still such a no-no at the college level, its a stomach churner.

[crossroader]

The simple solution to the political/evil cabal problem preventing all the alternative energy from coming forth is to implement it and don't tell anyone- such that it would attract the attention of the wrong types. Roll-out won't be as it would if the capitalists were to get the green light, but it will happen because it must.
Too many see only the potential to make money selling the technology. It has been shown heretofore that will not be allowed to happen- until the world becomes free of the chains that bind it.

[ulli]

Several good interviews here, explaining what Brown's Gas is and how it works electro-mechanically.
Even multiplies gold ore, by 30%.
I want a Brown's Gas Flame thrower on my holster now.

http://www.energeticsecrets.com/energy-medicine/water-for-fuel-browns-gas-info-at-teslatech-conference

[Carmody]

bumpity. TTT.

[Carmody]

This is a difficult and touchy subject. It will take some time to gather the information.

In the meantime, here's some light reading. :p

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Brown%27s_Gas


On radiation or radioactive materials:

http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/node/456

What can BG do to help?

To answer that you need to understand that the only effective radioactive neutralization protocol I currently know of, that uses BG, is to mix the radioactive material with approximately equal quantities of iron and aluminum (by volume) and heat the whole mixture to liquid (using a BG flame). When the mixture is hot enough it will explode... not like a bomb, more like a firecracker.

Iron and aluminum make thermite (research thermite to learn the optimum quantities to use), and the BG provides the special transmutation energy. BG exhibits transmutative characteristics in other applications too, like processing ore.

Most materials are radioactive because the electrons have been stripped off the molecules; the nucleus then ejects particles of various kinds (radioactivity) to try to 'balance' the 'weight' (and transmute to a lighter, glasslike, material). Somehow, the molecules are able to use the special energy in the BG to complete this transmutation in seconds (instead of millennia), when the material is molten and given the shock of the thermite explosion.

So it's impractical to use BG, as far as I know, on anything that you don't want to destroy. The BG 'explodes' the material and does the neutralization during the explosion. You need to affect the material on an atomic level to neutralize the radioactivity.

Also it's impractical to use BG on any material that isn't concentrated radioactive. It takes electrical power to make the BG, plus quantities of iron and aluminum to make the explosive reaction.

Thus, BG works well to neutralize CONCENTRATED nuclear waste, like spent fuel rods or decommissioned warheads, but practically useless at remediation of radioactive materials that have dispersed into the general environment.

BG has been proven (Canada government certified tests) to be an extremely effective, practical and inexpensive method to neutralize the radioactivity of materials generally produced by nuclear powerplants. The neutralization can be done onsite, eliminating the need for transportation and storage of nuclear waste.

There is an organization (PACE) that has been lobbying for the Canadian Government to use BG to neutralize radioactive waste... with zero results. It seems that the Nuclear Industry does NOT want it's waste neutralized. I think they see it as potentially useful to make small power sources (like nuclear batteries), bullets, etc.

I have assembled a bunch of information, (including a video showing the testing being done at the Canadian research reactor at Chalk River Ontario), that documents what I've just told you. No need to buy it unless you want to be involved with using BG to neutralize concentrated radioactive materials.

I know someone who knows someone connected to 'chalk river'.

The question was sent down the pipeline, regarding if this test and the results given and recorded in the given video, are 'for real'.

The answer sent back, was..... YES.

Chalk river, BTW.. is Canada's version of 'Lawrence Livermore Labs', AKA the USA's version of Nuclear research facilities at the highest US Federal level.

[Hervé]

For some of the results obtained:


Following up on my post above about Brown's gas:




Is Browns Gas practical?




People have developed generators, welding torches, and even car engines. One person drove around in a car for two years now using only water and a couple of batteries.

"When we run out of fuel (water), we go into the gas station and grab the hose and fill it up again. No money is ever paid for gasoline! We are now good for another 1,000 miles".
You can use implosion technology to decay radiation. Yull has a way, using Browns Gas to disintegrate radio active products and decreases their toxic decay "half life" process from millions of years to only seconds!!! - Why are scientists not using these principles to eliminate toxic radiation waist? "I don't know..." says Brown.



Yull discusses how the energy tycoons are only interested in getting money.



"Taking care of the world is secondary to them, money is first". The politician turns a blind eye, and continues to bury this poisonous toxic radiation from the nuclear generations plants. A machine that could eliminate radiation waste is only $100,000 (as compared to millions to just seal it and bury it). Where are their minds?



From: http://nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Free-Energy-Interview.html




10) Directing the flame at Cobalt-60 radiation was reduced by 70% in the sample.
11) Directing the flame at Americium the radiation was reduced 96%.



http://www.svpvril.com/BGtest.jpeg
For more information on these test results (http://pacenet.homestead.com/Nucwaste.html) contact: The Planetary Association for Clean Energy, Inc.100 Bronson Ave, suite 1001Ottawa, Ontario K1R 6G8Canada(613) 236-6265 fax: (613) 235-5876



From: http://www.svpvril.com/svpweb9.html

[meeradas]

b u m p

[Carmody]

Again, this is the technology that 'ends' fukushima, and it is not being used.

Within this thread is the exact methodology.

I HAVE USED BROWN'S GAS GENERATORS MYSELF.

My information is not second hand.

[Firinn]

Bump Bump Bump

[Carmody]

bump!

:bump2:

[meeradas]

This should be a priority thread; at least, make it a sticky one.

[ThePythonicCow]

bump!

:bump2:


This should be a priority thread; at least, make it a sticky one.

Ok - I'll meet you half way - I just made this thread sticky. It is a potentially valuable "gateway drug" to extending our understanding to a far better physics, and associated energy technology, than we have now.

[meeradas]

Thanks, Paul.
Excellent.

[Bob]

bump!

:bump2:


This should be a priority thread; at least, make it a sticky one.

Ok - I'll meet you half way - I just made this thread sticky. It is a potentially valuable "gateway drug" to extending our understanding to a far better physics, and associated energy technology, than we have now.

How about Paul changing the subject to reflect Brown's gas so folks understand what the thread is emphasizing.. ?

[ThePythonicCow]

How about Paul changing the subject to reflect Brown's gas so folks understand what the thread is emphasizing.. ?
My reading of Carmody's title and opening post is that he actually intends to begin the discussion talking about cars and reducing pollution, and then, once the reader was with him on that, bring in the topic of Brown's Gas.

The title fits well with that intention, so I shall leave it as it is.

[Bob]

How about Paul changing the subject to reflect Brown's gas so folks understand what the thread is emphasizing.. ?
My reading of Carmody's title and opening post is that he actually intends to begin the discussion talking about cars and reducing pollution, and then, once the reader was with him on that, bring in the topic of Brown's Gas.

The title fits well with that intention, so I shall leave it as it is.

Fine - the reader will figure out then, the thread is about browns gas being used everywhere, just that the title gets one to read the thread expecting to see something else..

[Hervé]

[...]
... just that the title gets one to read the thread expecting to see something else..

Clever little bugger, ain't he!? Got you (and me) reading... while leaving no clue to Google and others' spiders... :)

[Bob]

[...]
... just that the title gets one to read the thread expecting to see something else..

Clever little bugger, ain't he!? Got you (and me) reading... while leaving no clue to Google and others' spiders... :)

Well. Look at post 17, 18, 13, 19, 20, 21, 22, 26, 32, 38, 44 - ULLI spells it out pretty clearly what this thread is about.., 46 (OP reiterating browns gas again..), your post 47, 49

If a reader wanted to know about browns gas and re-reading how it can be used in cars, planes, boats, welding torches, cleaning up fukushima waste, they could do a search.

The post was read cause to know about 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M - what does it mean?

A title of something like Browns Gas is a solution for Pollution in transport - everywhere ! would help one understand, would help search for Browns Gas Solutions.. Post 17 spells it out quite clear why the title should be changed.

[Carmody]

IMO, pollution is the 'concern' hook for the general population, and the 'price' of that...... is also the big concern.

So the two big hooks are in the title.


What hast man to give up to the gods, what desired glories must he retard from....in order to achieve such noble ends, such freedoms?


What stands in humanity's way of reducing such levels of pollution?

The answer......?:

NOT VERY MUCH.

Thus with the virtual press of a button, when it comes to will, drive, pressure, aim... and...most importantly... capacity to stay on a given thing, to ride it through, a thing simple it's complexities.....

30 second ads, simple phrases and a few sprinkled headlines are what wins elections and wars. Thus, bring no complexity here.

Maintain it in simplicity, so the beginning is the unfolding - is the answer - is the follow through - is the end game.

[Bob]

IMO, pollution is the 'concern' hook for the general population, and the 'price' of that...... is also the big concern.

So the two big hooks are in the title.


[..]

Browns Gas is a solution for Pollution in transportation - everywhere !

TWO big hooks in the title that way :)

[Carmody]

Ok Bob, lets fix the title.

But, to address my concern about the low cost of taking 2.85 billion cars off the road, and that it is not being done.

The sheer hypocrisy that is happening here, nay.. the insane level of hypocrisy.

[araucaria]

Some Brown’s Gas mnemonics

Charlie Brown’s Gas: you can take it to the Banksy

28682

Remember Gordon Brown’s Gas: a vast improvement on Blair’s hot air

28680

Inflate your ego with Dan Brown’s Gas:

28681

Take a walk in the park on Capability Brown’s Grass:

28679

Brownies shop at Brown’s Glass: http://www.brownsglass.com/

[Carmody]

One of my eminent scientific contacts, has just confirmed that the HH2 system actually creates a form of Plasma inside a combustion engine when we induct Hydrogen and airborne Nitrogen to bind together. HH2 is causing a "COOL FUSION" that causes all of the fuel and toxic poisons to be incinerated during the spark combustion processes, often Zero or Low HC, CO & Nox emissions.

The good new is that existing fuels can now be cleaned of toxic exhaust discharges from tailpipes.

Existing gasoline and diesel can be cleaned of harmful poisons during combustion.

HH2 systems can do this using a few pennies of water, Pure Hydrogen and Pure Oxygen is created at 12 volts and low amps.

This process should become mandatory on every combustion engine, cars, trucks, boats, ships and trains.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2015:01:14#HH2_system_created_.22Cool_Plasma.22_to_incinerate_all_toxins_in_fossil_ fueled_engines

[Carmody]

You need a seed material as the HHO gas (brown's gas) brings everything it comes into contact with, to the point of electrical conductivity that is a match for the atomic electro-potential of energetic release that is in a hydrogen atom.

Quantum to quantum discrete atomic coupling and dimensional interface. Also known as chemistry, in this world.

as the hydrogen potential dominates as it is the highest or closest to aetheric frequential/angular/polar perfection, the first element....thus... every element deals with this energetic additive/interaction differently, but the result is invariably a form of perfected connection or action completed.

Total burn, total action, no effluent, perfect burn.

I'm under the pump at work at the moment and unfortunately I don't have time for the additional follow up research your posts inevitably lead me to do. Therefore at the risk of confirming yet again my status as, relatively speaking, a complete imbecile in these matters what you describe here instantly struck me as being in the realm of plasma physics.

I accept that this may be potentially so far off base as to be out of the field but if not then would you describe the Pantone/Geet system as being a poor cousin of this type of process?

Second question, does it matter what the seed material is because if not then surely what is presently going to landfill presents yet another useful application of such processing?

Lastly, another indulgence if I may, a link to the a thread you started (and I seem to have lost amongst all the recent drama) about driving testing for psycopathy from a grass roots perspective. Out of a lot of what I have seen here to date, that one struck me as one of the sharpest suggestions for collective action that could bring about really useful change by a country mile...

cheers

PS Bumpity bumpity bump ;)

It is a flame, but a 'plasma' flame....... it is electrical in nature. Which is why it has a ambient temperature measured at about 265 degrees F.

It runs at hydrogen bonding/breaking eV levels, at the quantum scale, and attacks whatever it is adjacent to, in the quantum sense.

Basically it is expanded , notched apart, like unzipped and locked apart like a set of two stairs that are imperfectly interlocked.

when it is 'arc struck', ie, ignited, it decays, back into water. Collapses, actually, back to being about 1860 times smaller in volume, no longer a gas, but a liquid. It does it atomically, quantumly, with the eV rates of hydrogen, element number one on the atomic chart..., in the act of disruption of adjacent atomic systems. Which is WHY it sublimates ANYTHING into zero. Including all pollution AND C02. it breaks anything down. The higher the dielectric situation the more explosive, electrically, the contact point. Yet it can't boil/heat water.

The active area, or flame burn rate is actually a plasma decay of HHO back to water, and it runs at about ..what was it...2700M a second, or about 9000ft per second?

INTERACTIVE COMBUSTION EFFECT


Theoretical flame temperature is 2,210 to 2,900 degrees C. However, it changes with different applications. Tests have been made which exceed 6,000 degrees C. Further tests have been conducted indicating in excess of 8,400 degrees C. (8,400 C. = 15,1 52 F.).

The flame produced when Brown's Gas is ignited under 40 to 60 psi pressure is initially yellow in color and quickly reverts to a neutral blue cone with a long extension of a pale red/blue flame. There are several distinct regions, called mantles, within the flame's sheath. The remarkable property of this flame is that it is NOT formed as a set of explosions, but is formed as a set of implosions. Consequently, the classical theory of combustion products, highest temperature region and other specifics must be revised. The central blue cone is the region separating the inner sustained vacuum from the continuously forming implosion produced and it is in this narrow band that the novel combustion situation is sustained.


DC power conversion efficiency to thermal energy of the produced gas is 95%. AC to DC conversion may be as high as 98%; so the maximum efficiency of the gas production from AC supply is 91.3%. A focal factor of this system is its ability to produce gas immediately (and cheaply) on demand as required. Inherent problems of storage and loss by leakage are not relevant. The neutral flame of the gas is important for welding and also as a clean heat source of energy capable of replacing fossil fuels.


If Brown's Gas is exposed to a heat source, it will expand. Implosion of this expanded gas will utilize atmospheric pressure. Numerous pumping applications and the development of atmospheric implosion motors are the result. Implosion, as a single reaction, only occurs with this gas and is impossible with other known substances! When Brown's Gas burns, it turns into water. When it is produced from water using electrolysis, it expands 1,860 to 1. Implosion is achieved with a high frequency spark of 9,00 0 Volts or higher. When subjected to electric ignition. it uniquely implodes (patented in March, 1990 after 8 years process time) producing a near perfect vacuum. Upon implosion, vacuum is 1,859. The remaining "1" becomes once again a pure form of water. Only a low decibel "ping" accompanies the implosion. The speed of detonation (or burn rate) is greater than 3,600 meters per second. There is no contraction - expansion effect when the gas is imploded only contraction. Little heat is lost to the equipment in an implosion cycle. The low cost of gas production than ensures an inexpensive method for production of ultra high vacuum.

There it is.

actually, in excess of 3600 meters a second. for reference, IIRC.. Acetylene's 'flame rate', or burn speed is about 2700ft per second. This 3600m a second of Brown's gas... far exceeds all other gasses, in flame rate or burn speed.

http://amasci.com/weird/bgf1.html

Oh yes, it enacts transmutation, with the right situation of seed materials and application. Thus, it has the capacity to end almost all strategic and precious metals markets.

[christian]

It's funny how the most important information concerning pollution from man made sources...and how to fix it nearly immediately........ can get lost like that.

People talk about caring and paying attention.

However, this thread does illustrate how many go for sensationalism over substance.

I could change the title of the thread, but that does a disservice to what is within it. It's sad really. Real actual rubber on the ground... and it is totally missed, like someone run down in a stampede of ignorance.

I have no experience working with Brown's Gas… But if it can be used as you say, why is there no one offering it commercially? The alternative media would be all over it if you could buy a device that generates clean power at a reasonable price. If $7,000 are all it takes to have a working device that you can present, I just don't understand why I haven't seen any offers or advertisements for it. Or maybe just an easy-to-understand instruction for how to build a generator with a cost-benefit-analysis.

[Carmody]

It's funny how the most important information concerning pollution from man made sources...and how to fix it nearly immediately........ can get lost like that.

People talk about caring and paying attention.

However, this thread does illustrate how many go for sensationalism over substance.

I could change the title of the thread, but that does a disservice to what is within it. It's sad really. Real actual rubber on the ground... and it is totally missed, like someone run down in a stampede of ignorance.

I have no experience working with Brown's Gas… But if it can be used as you say, why is there no one offering it commercially? The alternative media would be all over it if you could buy a device that generates clean power at a reasonable price. If $7,000 are all it takes to have a working device that you can present, I just don't understand why I haven't seen any offers or advertisements for it. Or maybe just an easy-to-understand instruction for how to build a generator with a cost-benefit-analysis.

If you look at my last post, you find that it can and does have the capacity to upset multiple applecarts, to change the entire lay of the political landscape, the military landscape, the energy landscape, the scientific landscape, and the financial landscape.... and thus, the entire spectrum of all potential human landscapes of humanity's continued and flowing expression.

This is why it is all about control and refutation in debate.

It is one front upon which humanity is pushing back against control paradigms, in thousands of personal instances.

In all seriousness, the SHT technology that is shown in this article, which was exhibited at a military trade show... and was bought up by black military concerns --- this SHT technology is based on brown's gas production. It is a modification of the fundamental of brown's gas production.


In this article, they named Solar Hydrogen Trends as one of the biggest sensations of this autumn and mentioned the recent participation at the «Defense Energy Conference». It was noted that the hydrogen production technology of Solar Hydrogen Trends may allow Pentagon to lower at least three times the fuel costs for its military equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . .

The electrical output equivalent from an input of 414 Wh was calculated to be 626 KWh or COP close to 1500 times.

As a matter of fact, their 'creation' of SHT technology, is coming past/well after my proclamation(s), publicly, in multiple areas/fronts/forums of HOW to do exactly that..with brown's gas.

Some of them (explanations of how to create the SHT technology) being very prominent on this forum.

http://pesn.com/2014/12/20/9602585_SHT-dedicated-to-keeping-US-dominant/

When you read some of the data (on the listed page) on their 'decision' to get it to the pentagon, and lock out everyone else, you find out how stunningly naive they are in their level of knowledge and outlook.

[Carmody]

Note, I finally decided on something..which is to add 'The equivalent of' to the start of the title of the thread.

The new title: "The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M", etc.

[Hervé]

Note, I finally decided on something..which is to add 'The equivalent of' to the start of the title of the thread.

The new title: "The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M", etc.

... Done!

:)

[christian]

If you look at my last post, you find that it can and does have the capacity to upset multiple applecarts, to change the entire lay of the political landscape, the military landscape, the energy landscape, the scientific landscape, and the financial landscape.... and thus, the entire spectrum of all potential human landscapes of humanity's continued and flowing expression.

This is why it is all about control and refutation in debate.

It is one front upon which humanity is pushing back against control paradigms, in thousands of personal instances.

In all seriousness, the SHT technology that is shown in this article, which was exhibited at a military trade show... and was bought up by black military concerns --- this SHT technology is based on brown's gas production. It is a modification of the fundamental of brown's gas production.


In this article, they named Solar Hydrogen Trends as one of the biggest sensations of this autumn and mentioned the recent participation at the «Defense Energy Conference». It was noted that the hydrogen production technology of Solar Hydrogen Trends may allow Pentagon to lower at least three times the fuel costs for its military equipment.

. . . . . . . . . . . .

The electrical output equivalent from an input of 414 Wh was calculated to be 626 KWh or COP close to 1500 times.

As a matter of fact, their 'creation' of SHT technology, is coming past/well after my proclamation(s), publicly, in multiple areas/fronts/forums of HOW to do exactly that..with brown's gas.

Some of them (explanations of how to create the SHT technology) being very prominent on this forum.

http://pesn.com/2014/12/20/9602585_SHT-dedicated-to-keeping-US-dominant/

When you read some of the data (on the listed page) on their 'decision' to get it to the pentagon, and lock out everyone else, you find out how stunningly naive they are in their level of knowledge and outlook.

I understand that it could possibly upset lots of folks. But I don't understand why people don't just build, use, and sell Brown's Gas generators. Anybody who figured out how to build one should be eager to market these, I'd think. What's in the way? If it's relatively easy to build, I can't see how the system could suppress all efforts to do bring this out.

[Carmody]

There are probably 10's of thousands of browns gas generators out there, right now.

So it is more of a case of the world needed to jump on a given bandwagon.

Saving the world is not as immediate and sexy as 'banging hot chicks'. Which is a rude sounding way of clarifying day to day nature of the deeper issues -- of 'the monkey in the man' ruling the thought creation process.

Combine that, with the issue of control of information, control of expression, the catering to of weakness, and the overall stressing of humanity into the gutter of animal thinking as pride in societal standing and cultural expression... instead of projecting idealism as an ideal...that is what is killing humanity.

Oligarchy, monarchies, imperialism, which are founded on scociopathy and psychopathy as a fundamental in their constitution --otherwise they would not work-- these systems circumvent and crush the emergence of expression into any form of higher ideal which does not bow to them. For them to exist, at all, ultimately they must crush and control all emergent forms of idealism and humanitarianism.... in all forms of human expression. For such thinking and being can break their viability and capacity to exist.

There's a war on, and it's happening right here, today, inside of anyone reading this.

[Carmody]

A new atomic construction aspect of H2O is found.

In reality, it has always been there, it is only now recognized.

It has been used by the creators of the SHT technology, which was apparently bought out by the US military (navy, IIRC). The SHT technology and other researchers have used these aspects to make water break down, atomically, in ways that appear to be over unity, but in fact are merely using the avenues available, which science is only now proclaiming to exist.


Ice-like phonons in liquid water discovered (http://phys.org/news/2016-01-ice-like-phonons-liquid.html)

For more than 100 years, scientists have debated what the underlying molecular structure of water is, and the common view has been that H2O molecules are either "water-like" or "ice-like." Now through computer simulation conducted at the Institute for Advanced Computational Science (IACS) at Stony Brook University, researchers can illustrate that the structure and dynamics of hydrogen bonding in liquid water is more similar to ice than previously thought. The finding, published in Nature Communications , changes the common understanding of the molecular nature of water and has relevance to many fields, such as climate science and molecular biophysics, and technologies such as desalinization and water-based energy production.

In condensed matter physics, phonons are considered to be a solid-state phenomenon and can be visualized as collective vibrations that propagate through a material. More precisely, a phonon is the fundamental quantum mechanical unit of lattice vibration. Optical phonons are a type of phonon that interact with electromagnetic radiation. These can be visualized as peaks in the infrared absorption spectrum in ice.

In the paper, "The hydrogen-bond network of water supports propagating optical phonon-like modes," lead author Daniel C. Elton, a PhD candidate, and Marivi Fernandez-Serra, PhD, Associate Professor, in the Department of Physics and Astronomy and IACS, show that propagating vibrations or phonons can exist in water, just as in ice.

"No microscopes can allow us to directly see the behavior of water molecules and their pattern of hydrogen bonding. Therefore by simulating liquid water using the fundamental laws of physics, the structure and motion of molecules in water can be analyzed in great detail beyond what microscopes can reveal of liquid water," said Elton. "Our method involved both experimental data and extensive molecular dynamics simulations, and we found that the optical phonon coupling leads to similar absorption peaks also found in ice."

The authors used a new high-powered computer cluster at Stony Brook's IACS to create the water dynamics simulations. By centering on water's unique hydrogen bond network, they routinely demonstrated that optical phonon-like modes can propagate the hydrogen bond network, just as in ice. Unlike in ice, however, hydrogen bonds in water are constantly being broken and reformed, so the phonons only last for about one trillionth of a second yet can travel over long distances up to two nanometers.

"Our findings challenge older ideas about water dynamics, which characterized peaks in the absorption spectrum as being due to the vibrational motions of at most a few molecules, as in ice," said Professor Fernandez-Serra. "We found water peaks in spectra correspond to two different types of phonons, called longitudinal and transverse. The shifting of the position of the longitudinal and transverse peaks with temperature can be related to important structural changes in the hydrogen bond network, which provides a new window into how water's structure changes with temperature."

Additionally, by comparing several different simulation techniques, the authors also found that the current non-polarizable water models used in biophysics fail to capture the higher frequency optical phonons. This work builds on their previous work , which showed that polarizable models are more accurate than the more often used non-polarizable models.

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I work in these areas of science. I hold patents in these (sort of) areas. I'm ahead of the "cutting edge" research, with full fledged functional process patents on things they have yet to understand.

[Carmody]

This is a difficult and touchy subject. It will take some time to gather the information.

In the meantime, here's some light reading. :p

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Brown%27s_Gas (dead link!)


On radiation or radioactive materials:

http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/node/456

What can BG do to help?

To answer that you need to understand that the only effective radioactive neutralization protocol I currently know of, that uses BG, is to mix the radioactive material with approximately equal quantities of iron and aluminum (by volume) and heat the whole mixture to liquid (using a BG flame). When the mixture is hot enough it will explode... not like a bomb, more like a firecracker.

Iron and aluminum make thermite (research thermite to learn the optimum quantities to use), and the BG provides the special transmutation energy. BG exhibits transmutative characteristics in other applications too, like processing ore.

Most materials are radioactive because the electrons have been stripped off the molecules; the nucleus then ejects particles of various kinds (radioactivity) to try to 'balance' the 'weight' (and transmute to a lighter, glasslike, material). Somehow, the molecules are able to use the special energy in the BG to complete this transmutation in seconds (instead of millennia), when the material is molten and given the shock of the thermite explosion.

So it's impractical to use BG, as far as I know, on anything that you don't want to destroy. The BG 'explodes' the material and does the neutralization during the explosion. You need to affect the material on an atomic level to neutralize the radioactivity.

Also it's impractical to use BG on any material that isn't concentrated radioactive. It takes electrical power to make the BG, plus quantities of iron and aluminum to make the explosive reaction.

Thus, BG works well to neutralize CONCENTRATED nuclear waste, like spent fuel rods or decommissioned warheads, but practically useless at remediation of radioactive materials that have dispersed into the general environment.

BG has been proven (Canada government certified tests) to be an extremely effective, practical and inexpensive method to neutralize the radioactivity of materials generally produced by nuclear powerplants. The neutralization can be done onsite, eliminating the need for transportation and storage of nuclear waste.

There is an organization (PACE) that has been lobbying for the Canadian Government to use BG to neutralize radioactive waste... with zero results. It seems that the Nuclear Industry does NOT want it's waste neutralized. I think they see it as potentially useful to make small power sources (like nuclear batteries), bullets, etc.

I have assembled a bunch of information, (including a video showing the testing being done at the Canadian research reactor at Chalk River Ontario), that documents what I've just told you. No need to buy it unless you want to be involved with using BG to neutralize concentrated radioactive materials.

"the nucleus then ejects particles of various kinds (radioactivity) to try to 'balance' the 'weight' "

actually, the reality we know is wholly topological and holographic. what we call an atom is being adjusted through multi-axis spin differential, down into being stable in it's topological frame of reference, a reference which is to itself only.... as a bubbled comparative-differential, between each 'angle of view aggregate', that we collectively call '3d-unidirectional timespace'.

If you understand that, you've got the key to 'who, what, when, where, why, and how'.