Bottled and tap water PH (experimental)

[Violet]

I've been measuring the PH of my tap water and the bottled water we usually get from the local store...for fun.

I may be stating the obvious, but I've noticed that if I let the water sit uncovered, the PH-value increases.

I had three cups (in the kitchen):

1) tap water
2) heated tap water (after cooling)
3) bottled water
4) (I knew I forgot something) (should have had) heated bottled water (after cooling)


Results of measurements:

Instantly:

1) 8.1
2) n/a, too hot
3) 8.0

So, here, the bottled water is slightly more acidic than tap water (by 0.1).


After approx. 3 hours:

1) 8.5
2) 8.6
3) 8.4

The water is getting more alkaline. And notice how the bottled water's PH is also changing. Both bottled and tap water's PH-values have increased by 0.4. Could this be a sign that one/similar agent is affecting both waters?

The heated tap water, interestingly, jumps ahead of the same tap water by 0.1.

After approx. 6 hours:

1) 8.7
2) 8.6
3) 8.8

Bottled water is leading. The (non-heated) tap and bottled water no longer increase by the same number of points, resp. 0.2 and 0.4. Heated tap water remains unaffected.

Next day:

1) 8.6
2) 8.6
3) 8.9

The tap water seems to have stabilised to the PH of its heated counterpart, it ran back 0.1.

Bottled water, however, overnight, kept climbing in alkalinity and added 0.1, thereby having the highest PH, 8.9. (for reference: the PH of bleach is 9.5).

Now comes my question, what is affecting the PH of uncovered water in the kitchen?

Thanks in advance for thinking along!

[Valley]

Interesting experiment Violet. I think some elements are evaporating out of the water over time while sitting out in the open air. The heated water probably makes things evaporate more quickly. I've heard that chlorine is one main element that evaporates from water when placed out in the open air. Another measurement you could take is the exact weight of the waters at the different times.

[RunningDeer]

Fun experiment, Violet. I don’t have an answer. Only questions from your results “Bottled water, however, overnight, kept climbing in alkalinity and added 0.1, thereby having the highest PH, 8.9.”:


From what source did the bottle water come from?
Does the plastic effect the PH?
Does the way the water is processed effect the PH, i.e. containers, pipes, filtering process?
Does the age (sell by date) of the bottle water effect the PH?
Is there a comparable a difference between collection of water from cloudy days vs sunny days, i.e. pollutants and/or chemtrails?
Do the nano-particles from chemtrails get filtered out completely from the filtered, bottled water?
Do other name brand bottled waters have the same PH result?
Extra one not related to plastic container or filtered water - Does water that sits in the pipes have the same PH as water that's had a chance to run?


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[WhiteFeather]

Thanks,,,, I'd like to see what the fluoride ratio is in bottled water (if so) compared to tap water. I wonder if there is a study on that.

[Selkie]

Just a couple of quick questions, 1) did you test distilled water, from the store or that you make yourself, and 2) are you certain that your testing equipment is calibrated correctly?

The reason I ask is because 8.9 seems quite high. So your water, or the bottled water, has picked up solutes from somewhere.

The reason the pH gotten higher is because some of the water evaporated away from the uncovered container, leaving the solutes more concentrated.

[Ultima Thule]

See Gerald Pollacks studies and you can find some possible explanations:

• connecting with oxygen increases the amount of negative electrical potential in water (H3O2)
• infrared is a source of energy for that transformation from H2O -> H3O2, with H+ being excluded from the so-called EZ-water, which in essence is the fourth phase of water

Here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59203-The-Fourth-Phase-of-Water-the-Exclusion-Zone--EZ--Gerald-H.-Pollack&highlight=gerald+pollack

UT

[Violet]

See Gerald Pollacks studies and you can find some possible explanations:

• connecting with oxygen increases the amount of negative electrical potential in water (H3O2)
• infrared is a source of energy for that transformation from H2O -> H3O2, with H+ being excluded from the so-called EZ-water, which in essence is the fourth phase of water

Here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59203-The-Fourth-Phase-of-Water-the-Exclusion-Zone--EZ--Gerald-H.-Pollack&highlight=gerald+pollack

UT


More H+ ions then?

But a rising PH is less H+ ions.



Fun experiment, Violet. I don’t have an answer. Only questions from your results “Bottled water, however, overnight, kept climbing in alkalinity and added 0.1, thereby having the highest PH, 8.9.”:


From what source did the bottle water come from?
Does the plastic effect the PH?
Does the way the water is processed effect the PH, i.e. containers, pipes, filtering process?
Does the age (sell by date) of the bottle water effect the PH?
Is there a comparable a difference between collection of water from cloudy days vs sunny days, i.e. pollutants and/or chemtrails?
Do the nano-particles from chemtrails get filtered out completely from the filtered, bottled water?
Do other name brand bottled waters have the same PH result?
Extra one not related to plastic container or filtered water - Does water that sits in the pipes have the same PH as water that's had a chance to run?


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Great questions, Paula.

[Selkie]

More H+ ions then?

But a rising PH is less H+ ions.



Fun experiment, Violet. I don’t have an answer. Only questions from your results “Bottled water, however, overnight, kept climbing in alkalinity and added 0.1, thereby having the highest PH, 8.9.”:


From what source did the bottle water come from?
Does the plastic effect the PH?
Does the way the water is processed effect the PH, i.e. containers, pipes, filtering process?
Does the age (sell by date) of the bottle water effect the PH?
Is there a comparable a difference between collection of water from cloudy days vs sunny days, i.e. pollutants and/or chemtrails?
Do the nano-particles from chemtrails get filtered out completely from the filtered, bottled water?
Do other name brand bottled waters have the same PH result?
Extra one not related to plastic container or filtered water - Does water that sits in the pipes have the same PH as water that's had a chance to run?


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Great questions, Paula.

This might be helpful :)


pH is a measure of the hydorgen ion concentration of a solution. Solutions with a high concentration of hydrogen ions have a low pH and solutions with a low concentrations of H+ ions have a high pH...

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/biology/bio4fv/page/ph_def.htm

[hardrock]

Could it be the reaction with air from chlorine in it? After boiling and evaporation, you would have a higher concentration of it?

I would think that municipal water has chlorine in it and so would bottled water, as it usually comes from municipal water systems.

Maybe the chlorine becomes more effective with heat.

Neat experiment and thanks for sharing.

[Violet]

More details about the source water (from France):

- de-ironed
- Ca++: 66 mg/l
- Mg++: 26 mg/l
- K+: 18 mg/l
- Na+: 50 mgl
- SO4--: 34 mg/l
- HCO3-: 432 mg/L
- Cl-: 15 mg/l
- F-: 0,9 mg/l
- NO3-: < 2 mg/l
- dry residue: 477 mg/l

And (this is interesting) official PH: 7,5.

Now, it would be very pretentious to deem my small DIY equipment infallible, so I might recalibrate and redo the test (when I retrieve that calibration set...). I did a quick test on the apple cider vinegar (+ potassium hydrogen sulphite) meanwhile, just to get an idea, it gave a PH 3.3, realistic.

[Selkie]

More details about the source water (from France):

- de-ironed
- Ca++: 66 mg/l
- Mg++: 26 mg/l
- K+: 18 mg/l
- Na+: 50 mgl
- SO4--: 34 mg/l
- HCO3-: 432 mg/L
- Cl-: 15 mg/l
- F-: 0,9 mg/l
- NO3-: < 2 mg/l
- dry residue: 477 mg/l

And (this is interesting) official PH: 7,5.

Now, it would be very pretentious to deem my small DIY equipment infallible, so I might recalibrate and redo the test (when I retrieve that calibration set...). I did a quick test on the apple cider vinegar (+ potassium hydrogen sulphite) meanwhile, just to get an idea, it gave a PH 3.3, realistic.

If I were testing my water, the first thing I would do would be to test some distilled water from a reliable source. Distilled water should have zero solutes in it, and so should have a pH of 7.0, which is neutral.

[Tesseract]

My experience with pH meters is that they often drift, so you need to be quite observant/consistent in how you use them. They are also normally calibrated with a buffer solution. You should not measure pHs that are too different from the pH at which the meter was calibrated. pH changes of 0.1 I generally ignore, but 0.4 may indeed be a real result.

As for your results: it might be interesting to calculate the [H+] values at the different pHs you measured, the differences should be quite small, and you could see if they correspond to evaporative loss of solvent (Water). I'm really not exactly sure why you observed what you did, there may be an explanation to be found online.

As an experiment, try blowing your breath over the water then measuring pH. It should fall. The CO2 mixes with water and forms carbonic acid. As an outside theory for your observations, if the water was bottled under elevated CO2 conditions, then the pH would rise later on when exposed to a lower partial pressure of atmospheric CO2.

[marielle]

I've been drinking ionized water for years which is high-pH. I really believe it has helped me to stay healthy. I have one like this but much older, without the fancy electronics:

http://idealearthwater.com/btm-3000/alkalizer/

I use filtered water with calcium carbonate and potassium chloride added before I run it through the ionizer. Also, the research shows that the water molecules produced by these machines hang out in smaller clusters (about 4-6 per cluster, instead of 12 per cluster which is more normal. Smaller clusters supposedly are better absorbed by the body. Who knows, maybe it's all been my imagination but I believe it has helped.

Edit--I also purchased a rather expensive pH meter but it still doesn't give consistent readings unless I use solutions to calibrate it regularly.

[betoobig]

Why don´t you try blessing one of the water?
Love...evol

[Violet]

Why don´t you try blessing one of the water?
Love...evol

Ha, great idea! Gives it more of a spiritual touch. How does a low/high pH relate to the effect of the blessing? You know, I did this with rice once, following someone else's experiment. Not less interesting, tell you that much. Two containers with rice. One, you write all sorts of nice things on and the other you write very mean stuff on. And then you do regular checks. Try it! It's fun.

Paula, I've been thinking about some of your questions in relation to the official pH of 7.5. I did some measurements a while ago from water that we got straight from a water source. We collected it in a plastic container but for a much shorter period (max. of which in terms of days) before consumption. I remember that pH to have been around this official one, 7.something. So, perhaps, the water was originally 7.5 at the source and then due to influences as mentioned in your questions 2 and 4, it became more alkaline.

Adding:



As an experiment, try blowing your breath over the water then measuring pH. It should fall. The CO2 mixes with water and forms carbonic acid. As an outside theory for your observations, if the water was bottled under elevated CO2 conditions, then the pH would rise later on when exposed to a lower partial pressure of atmospheric CO2.

[Jhonie]

How about placing water in the sun or perhaps with a crystal in it?

[RunningDeer]

Why don´t you try blessing one of the water?
Love...evol
Another version of yours betoobig, yell and measure. Then bless/love and measure.

Violet, if there's a significant difference with them, maybe your kids would be interested in doing their own experiment.

[Lifebringer]

Could be the fluoride setting it off.

[idiit]

the waste water lines degrade considerably faster with acidic ( low ph) water. the municipalities are adding alkaline treatments to the drinking water to reduce the waste water maintenance costs.

my tap water is around a 9 ph. the bottled water I tested in the past was very alkaline as well.

to get a wide range ph tester you can go to the pet store and get a wide range ph test kit for outdoor fish ponds.

[pinkgemini]

Probably preaching to the converted here, but are you familiar with the work of Dr Emoto? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWAuc9GIvFo Fascinating experiments on how water is affected by vibration. Perhaps the vibration in your own home is altering the PH in a positive way?

Another water treatment I find interesting is vortex or restructuring water. Fascinating free book on it here http://www.spiritofmaat.com/feb11/water_structuring.pdf

Smiles Jan

[Ultima Thule]

See Gerald Pollacks studies and you can find some possible explanations:

• connecting with oxygen increases the amount of negative electrical potential in water (H3O2)
• infrared is a source of energy for that transformation from H2O -> H3O2, with H+ being excluded from the so-called EZ-water, which in essence is the fourth phase of water

Here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59203-The-Fourth-Phase-of-Water-the-Exclusion-Zone--EZ--Gerald-H.-Pollack&highlight=gerald+pollack

UT


More H+ ions then?

But a rising PH is less H+ ions.



Fun experiment, Violet. I don’t have an answer. Only questions from your results “Bottled water, however, overnight, kept climbing in alkalinity and added 0.1, thereby having the highest PH, 8.9.”:


From what source did the bottle water come from?
Does the plastic effect the PH?
Does the way the water is processed effect the PH, i.e. containers, pipes, filtering process?
Does the age (sell by date) of the bottle water effect the PH?
Is there a comparable a difference between collection of water from cloudy days vs sunny days, i.e. pollutants and/or chemtrails?
Do the nano-particles from chemtrails get filtered out completely from the filtered, bottled water?
Do other name brand bottled waters have the same PH result?
Extra one not related to plastic container or filtered water - Does water that sits in the pipes have the same PH as water that's had a chance to run?


♡

Great questions, Paula.


H3O2 carries a negative (3 to 2 ratio) charge and leftover H+ from H20 (2 to 1 ratio) are excluded out from that region creating charge separation that can be utilized to do work - capillary flow for one. To my understanding the net charge of the water (especially interfacial water in top layer and beside the container) is negative, ie more and more alkaline. In his book the Fourth Phase of Water Gerald has examples of these structured H3O2 layers being from under half a millimeter thick to up to one meter long filaments.

Infrared is the source of energy most efficiently transformed by water into creating molecular order. This can happen when a container is exposed to ambient light and/or air. -> more H3O2 -> more alkaline. This reaction seems to be different from most water ionizer which create OH- and H+


UT

[idiit]

Another water treatment I find interesting is vortex or restructuring water

^ I've been using the water vortex magnetizer for a few years: only costs around $15.

https://www.quantumbalancing.com/vortex_magnetizer.htm good article for reading info related imo.

I grate a little pink Himalayan sea salt and put it into the liter bottle along with a squeeze of sea-crop. then I add distilled water and run thru the vortex magnetizer 4 times. I drink this every day. the sea-crop and the pink Himalayan sea salt are high in ormus; m-state metals. the vortex magnetizer activates the ormus. I've run straight store bought ormus derived from pristine sea waters thru the water vortex magnetizer and it was so intense I quit using it.

everyone should get up to speed on "structured water".

everyone should get up to speed on ormus.

^ imo :)

harald "black goo" kautz" talks of ormus benefits in most of his interviews. he refers to m-state metals aka ormus.


sea-crop link:http://www.sea-crop.com/ lots of info here

ormus link: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/overview.htm starting nexus with lots of links.

the nitty gritty on Himalayan sea salt: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/02/19/the-amazing-benefits-of-himalayan-pink-salt/

as for fluoride removal; the moringa seeds are being used for heavy metal and fluoride removal from drinking water supplies:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=moringa+heavy+metal+fluoride

^ the googled list of links. lots and lots of scientific studies.

moringa leaf is great for detoxing your body from contaminants:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=moringa+detox

^ googled list of many many links

[Jhonie]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2517712/

Systemic and local effects of long-term exposure to alkaline drinking water in rats.

[Selkie]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2517712/

Systemic and local effects of long-term exposure to alkaline drinking water in rats.

Thank you, Jhonie!