Is Stephen Hawking a Clone?

[Selkie]

[ Mod-edit: The first six posts of this thread began life on the thread Stargate-like leap? Black holes could take us to ‘another universe’ (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84822-Stargate-like-leap-Black-holes-could-take-us-to---another-universe------Stephen-Hawking-5-monster-black-holes-discovered), before being split (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84822-Stargate-like-leap-Black-holes-could-take-us-to---another-universe------Stephen-Hawking-5-monster-black-holes-discovered&p=993094&viewfull=1#post993094) to create this thread, on a distinct topic. -- Paul. ]

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Not to take this thread off-topic, but just to share in case peeps aren't aware of it, Miles Mathis claims that Steven Hawking is dead, and someone is impersonating him. If that it is true, then it has important implications for what "Hawking" has been saying the last few years.

http://milesmathis.com/hawk3.pdf

[Selkie]

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[Carmody]

I guess someone did not like that post.

I was booted off the forum.

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Not to take this thread off-topic, but just to share in case peeps aren't aware of it, Miles Mathis claims that Steven Hawking is dead, and someone is impersonating him. If that it is true, then it has important implications for what "Hawking" has been saying the last few years.

http://milesmathis.com/hawk3.pdf

I highly doubt that there is any substance to this claim.

When Hawking is trying to set things straight, suddenly rumours of him being a fake person come into play. Was there even any need to list this thing about Hawking rumours?

A for it being a one way trip, only if one does not possess the wherewithal to return or shift to the older line or position.

[Selkie]

I guess someone did not like that post.

I was booted off the forum.

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Not to take this thread off-topic, but just to share in case peeps aren't aware of it, Miles Mathis claims that Steven Hawking is dead, and someone is impersonating him. If that it is true, then it has important implications for what "Hawking" has been saying the last few years.

http://milesmathis.com/hawk3.pdf

I highly doubt that there is any substance to this claim.

I'm not saying its true or not, although I looked at the pictures, and they are really weird.

:focus:

[Selkie]

I took what hawking was saying, and I moved it forward, with correlation from other places, correlation in other ways. I took the whole thing and moved it forward, I opened it up in all directions.

I was booted off the forum. I had to go and find my password where I had it written down.


You, on the other hand interjected a moment of doubt about who Hawking is, as a human..all this.... into a critical human junction or event point.

Remember, I said, I see through time every day.

A critical moment.

One where the alternative press and people in it..in alternative thinking and alternative science, even black ops fer crissakes... can move humanity forward. Here, at this forum...A place where they might (alternative thinkers) look at what is being proposed and chose to vacillate and waver due to issues being raised.

A quiet whisper of an injection.. Alien Hawking! Don't trust him! besides the idea of critical linear thinkers coming to this thread, and seeing alien Hawking claims. Which will push them away in all ways as a subtle form of reflective negativity on the whole thread and subject.

So, could you please tell me again, just what the hell are you doing, exactly?

..... :focus: .....

[Shannon]

Not to take this thread off-topic, but just to share in case peeps aren't aware of it, Miles Mathis claims that Steven Hawking is dead, and someone is impersonating him. If that it is true, then it has important implications for what "Hawking" has been saying the last few years.

http://milesmathis.com/hawk3.pdf

Very interesting!

So as I clicked that linked and mentioned this to my husband...he Told me he was looking for pictures of hawkings after watching the movie about him, and said the pictures he found were not him as he remembered the guy.
Just thought it was strange he thought that without knowing someone is claiming this guy isn't really him.

Thank you selkie:)


And I apologize if adding to off topic-ness. Sincere Apologies.

[Maryka]

I have seen a few older pictures of Stephen but the latest ones don't look like him. There was even a picture of him with his wife sure doesn't look like him.

[Apophenia]

I think I am going to need more evidence of a switcheroo than 'fuller cheeks', a 'longer face', or Mathis' opinion that his teeth changing are proof somehow.

Between comparisons of his pictures involving his face shape and length, he doesn't seem to explain or account for gaining weight, the use of make-up and hair-dye to account for an attempt to look younger, or the fact his mouth looks more agape than his 'longer faced' picture.

I know plenty of middle-aged men who go to great lengths to look younger by doing the above and then some in today's age, due to growing concerns in the job markets or perhaps in Hawking's case; trying to be more appealing to the general crowd as he is a public figure and speaker for modern science.

Taken from Mathis' PDF:

The average survival time for ALS is four years. When Hawking was first diagnosed in 1963, doctors gave him two years to live. And yet here we are, 52 years later and counting. Should you believe it? Well, no. Like Becker, it appears the real Hawking did beat the odds and live for about 20 years. But at some point he was replaced. I have no proof he died, but I assume that is why they replaced him. He was a very useful public relations entity for physics, and they didn't want to lose him.

The amazing fact Hawking survived until the present is itself the only major anomaly, though that is about it; rare things happen all the time in reality, and his explanation for why they would go to such an unnecessarily complex length to replace him doesn't sit well with me.

[idiit]

could have been replaced with a clone or "look alike".




Monday, May 11, 2015

Why Ringo's Confession, "We replaced Paul!", appears to be authentic
by
Jim Fetzer


Paul McCartney had died in 1966 and been replaced. Because I had done research on this subject for at least three years (due to Clare Kuehn’s keen interest in the subject, about which she has an extensive blog), I thought it was an extremely clear explanation of what had happened and how Paul’s replacement had come about using a look-alike by the name of Billy Shears. Kevin, however, took strong exception and would even publish an article about it in VT:


http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/05/why-ringos-confession-we-replaced-paul_11.html

^ excellent article and interesting topic imo.

the NWO possibly tested their strategy of replacing high profile persons with impostors with Paul McCartney . no, this is not a joke and has a tremendous amount of analysis done that basically confirms the unimaginable.

not only could hawking be a double or a clone, most of the NWO types could very well be "look alikes" as well. there are lots of threads on the internet on this subject.

[Selkie]

For me, the clincher is his lower teeth.

[kemo]

Pure nonsense if you ask me and btw the idea that you might pop up into a different universe at the other side of a black hole isn't new and has been around since black holes were discovered, as I recall. As for the guy who claims Paul McCartney is a clone, a clone is a completely different individual so how come he has similar musical talent and also, hasn't the guy got anything better to do? I don't know if Ringo did say that but they appeared together not so long ago. And as I said when this came up before, if they were going to clone Paul why didn't they clone Ringo into someone who could drum. John Lennon said Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles. And before you acuse me of not loooking into the evidence I only have a certain amount of time and am not going waste it on ideas that seem not only half-arsed but pointless speculation.

[MorningFox]

Pure nonsense if you ask me and btw the idea that you might pop up into a different universe at the other side of a black hole isn't new and has been around since black holes were discovered, as I recall. As for the guy who claims Paul McCartney is a clone, a clone is a completely different individual so how come he has similar musical talent and also, hasn't the guy got anything better to do? I don't know if Ringo did say that but they appeared together not so long ago. And as I said when this came up before, if they were going to clone Paul why didn't they clone Ringo into someone who could drum. John Lennon said Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles. And before you acuse me of not loooking into the evidence I only have a certain amount of time and am not going waste it on ideas that seem not only half-arsed but pointless speculation.

It's probably best not to have an audible opinion on something that you cannot be bothered to look in to. Nothing was said about cloning McCartney at all, it is said that they replaced him with a look-a-like after he died in a car crash, and the evidence is fairly strong for that theory.

The Hawking one on the other hand, lacks any evidence at all, in my opinion.

[idiit]

As for the guy who claims Paul McCartney is a clone, a clone is a completely different individual so how come he has similar musical talent and also, hasn't the guy got anything better to do? I don't know if Ringo did say that but they appeared together not so long ago. And as I said when this came up before, if they were going to clone Paul why didn't they clone Ringo into someone who could drum. John Lennon said Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles. And before you acuse me of not loooking into the evidence I only have a certain amount of time and am not going waste it on ideas that seem not only half-arsed but pointless speculation.

^ what everyone says until they actually look at the evidence. :) Paul McCartney replacement was a look alike, not a clone.

not wanting to derail the thread. the topic of human clones has depth and breath to it. lots and lots of stuff on the 'net.

everyone gets to make up their own mind to stay neutral, believe, disbelieve, change their perspective how many times they want.

[Selkie]

Pure nonsense if you ask me and btw the idea that you might pop up into a different universe at the other side of a black hole isn't new and has been around since black holes were discovered, as I recall. As for the guy who claims Paul McCartney is a clone, a clone is a completely different individual so how come he has similar musical talent and also, hasn't the guy got anything better to do? I don't know if Ringo did say that but they appeared together not so long ago. And as I said when this came up before, if they were going to clone Paul why didn't they clone Ringo into someone who could drum. John Lennon said Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles. And before you acuse me of not loooking into the evidence I only have a certain amount of time and am not going waste it on ideas that seem not only half-arsed but pointless speculation.

(my emphasis)

You are certainly entitled to your self-admitted uninformed opinion.

It seems odd, though, that even though you don't have the time to inform yourself of these matters, you do have the time to post that you have not informed yourself.

[Selkie]

Pure nonsense if you ask me and btw the idea that you might pop up into a different universe at the other side of a black hole isn't new and has been around since black holes were discovered, as I recall. As for the guy who claims Paul McCartney is a clone, a clone is a completely different individual so how come he has similar musical talent and also, hasn't the guy got anything better to do? I don't know if Ringo did say that but they appeared together not so long ago. And as I said when this came up before, if they were going to clone Paul why didn't they clone Ringo into someone who could drum. John Lennon said Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles. And before you acuse me of not loooking into the evidence I only have a certain amount of time and am not going waste it on ideas that seem not only half-arsed but pointless speculation.

It's probably best not to have an audible opinion on something that you cannot be bothered to look in to. Nothing was said about cloning McCartney at all, it is said that they replaced him with a look-a-like after he died in a car crash, and the evidence is fairly strong for that theory.

The Hawking one on the other hand, lacks any evidence at all, in my opinion.

Oh, for me, I think Hawking has been replaced with an obvious impostor of some kind. Its the teeth in the lower jaw. They are so different in the impostor than they were in the real Hawking. And even if Hawking had gotten false teeth or dental implants, he would not have gotten ones that are so ugly! The facial puffiness could be from medical treatments of some kind, but those lower teeth...?

p.s. McCartney, too, I think is a look-alike, and not the original Paul at all.

[ulli]

I read the document right down to the end and the conclusions all make a lot of sense. I suspected that many of the archetypes presented by mainstream media over the last few decades were there to create a mythology which directs public opinion. the Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela, the Pope, giant rock stars, and here now we have Mr. Science. And why is he crippled? To get sympathy from a certain sector of the masses, and keep the image that science is not sexy going at infinitum. All these neat categories. No effort at reconciling these categories.
And why is it so important to even create a mythology for the public; why is the public so important?
Well, that is after all where taxes originate, and not only taxes, but that whole pile of emotional energy which the myth creators feed on.
The other conclusion arrived at at the end of the article, which I have come to believe ages ago is that the mobsters of old, as depicted by the Godfather, and Sopranos movies, have long been absorbed by the ruling families.

[Shannon]

Pure nonsense if you ask me and btw the idea that you might pop up into a different universe at the other side of a black hole isn't new and has been around since black holes were discovered, as I recall. As for the guy who claims Paul McCartney is a clone, a clone is a completely different individual so how come he has similar musical talent and also, hasn't the guy got anything better to do? I don't know if Ringo did say that but they appeared together not so long ago. And as I said when this came up before, if they were going to clone Paul why didn't they clone Ringo into someone who could drum. John Lennon said Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles. And before you acuse me of not loooking into the evidence I only have a certain amount of time and am not going waste it on ideas that seem not only half-arsed but pointless speculation.

It's probably best not to have an audible opinion on something that you cannot be bothered to look in to. Nothing was said about cloning McCartney at all, it is said that they replaced him with a look-a-like after he died in a car crash, and the evidence is fairly strong for that theory.

The Hawking one on the other hand, lacks any evidence at all, in my opinion.

Oh, for me, I think Hawking has been replaced with an obvious impostor of some kind. Its the teeth in the lower jaw. They are so different in the impostor than they were in the real Hawking. And even if Hawking had gotten false teeth or dental implants, he would not have gotten ones that are so ugly! The facial puffiness could be from medical treatments of some kind, but those lower teeth...?


p.s. McCartney, too, I think is a look-alike, and not the original Paul at all.

Yeah the teeth really get me. I'm a dental assistant and know a bit about that stuff. I can't see what work would change those worn down lower anterior teeth into four long, root exposed teeth except a composite material used to fill and build up....but, that makes no sense, why build up those teeth and leave areas of no teeth?? Why not pull them and make dentures or get implants (he can afford them), or even implants for a secure denture? I mean look if hes vain enough to have to dye his hair blonde, why leave his teeth like that? He has the money for more astheticly pleasing dental work to be done.

Also his hands...big question mark.

I thought maybe his face and hair color is different because he is being pumped with steroids or other drugs for als that isn't available to those who aren't Stephen Hawking...???

I really don't know anything about Paul McCartney being replaced expect the ringo statement, but now I'm going to look into it.

I put nothing passed tptb and what they would do to trick and manipulate...

[Selkie]

For me, the thing of it is that if he really is an imposter...and I believe he is...it has serious implications for everything that "Hawking" has been saying ever since they replaced him.

p.s. Just for the record, I think black holes are nonsense. I go with the Electric Universe theory.

[transiten]

could have been replaced with a clone or "look alike".




Monday, May 11, 2015


Why Ringo's Confession, "We replaced Paul!", appears to be authentic
by
Jim Fetzer


Paul McCartney had died in 1966 and been replaced. Because I had done research on this subject for at least three years (due to Clare Kuehn’s keen interest in the subject, about which she has an extensive blog), I thought it was an extremely clear explanation of what had happened and how Paul’s replacement had come about using a look-alike by the name of Billy Shears. Kevin, however, took strong exception and would even publish an article about it in VT:


http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/05/why-ringos-confession-we-replaced-paul_11.html

^ excellent article and interesting topic imo.

the NWO possibly tested their strategy of replacing high profile persons with impostors with Paul McCartney . no, this is not a joke and has a tremendous amount of analysis done that basically confirms the unimaginable.

not only could hawking be a double or a clone, most of the NWO types could very well be "look alikes" as well. there are lots of threads on the internet on this subject.

Hmmmm :unsure: I don't have the energy to read the article, but apart from his looks, how is it possible to find a person with the voice and musical talent of Paul McCartney that persist to this day? Three vital things that must be combined :confused:

[Selkie]

could have been replaced with a clone or "look alike".




Monday, May 11, 2015


Why Ringo's Confession, "We replaced Paul!", appears to be authentic
by
Jim Fetzer


Paul McCartney had died in 1966 and been replaced. Because I had done research on this subject for at least three years (due to Clare Kuehn’s keen interest in the subject, about which she has an extensive blog), I thought it was an extremely clear explanation of what had happened and how Paul’s replacement had come about using a look-alike by the name of Billy Shears. Kevin, however, took strong exception and would even publish an article about it in VT:


http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/05/why-ringos-confession-we-replaced-paul_11.html

^ excellent article and interesting topic imo.

the NWO possibly tested their strategy of replacing high profile persons with impostors with Paul McCartney . no, this is not a joke and has a tremendous amount of analysis done that basically confirms the unimaginable.

not only could hawking be a double or a clone, most of the NWO types could very well be "look alikes" as well. there are lots of threads on the internet on this subject.

Hmmmm :unsure: I don't have the energy to read the article, but apart from his looks, how is it possible to find a person with the voice and musical talent of Paul McCartney that persist to this day? Three vital things that must be combined :confused:

You really kind of have to read the article. But to answer your question...and I am not being flippant at all when I say this...people see and hear what they expect to see and hear. Sometimes I really do think its as simple as that.

[DeDukshyn]

<trim> ...I don't have the energy to read the article, but apart from his looks, how is it possible to find a person with the voice and musical talent of Paul McCartney that persist to this day? Three vital things that must be combined :confused:

I want to know how it would be possible to replace someone with the voice of like say ... Mariah Carey! Now that would be a feat! Actually, there's an app for that ... here's what Mariah really sounds like with autotune and a plethora of other effects to make her sound "fabulous".

In short, it's easy to fake talent if you have the right "app for that" ;)


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[Michel Leclerc]

One cannot but admire the noble profession of impostor search. Obviously Mr Hawking would not have had to be replaced by just any impostor, but by an impostor having ALS! And considering that ALS patients die after on average four years and also the need not to constrain the population of available ALS-ailing impostors by the further condition that they should also be able to survive Mr Hawkind as long as his imposted "real" self has actually proved to be surviving, i.e. for about thirty years (as 2015 -±1985), it leads us to conclude that Mr Hawking’s impostor himself needed to be replaced after about four years (i.e. in 1989) by a new ALS-ailing impostor, he himself being culled from an ALS-ailing impostor population reduced by one high-quality unit! After another four years – i.e. by 1993 – the second impostor having died off, they needed another one, compounding the job even more... As I said, one cannot but admire those who had had to find them, considering that by now, (30 divided by 4 = ) about 7 ALS patient impostors have died in the wake of their great example, Mr Hawking himself. We hope that Mr Hawking will die sooner than they run out of any available ALS patient impostors, Mr Hawking himself excluded.

[Shannon]

One cannot but admire the noble profession of impostor search. Obviously Mr Hawking would not have had to be replaced by just any impostor, but by an impostor having ALS! And considering that ALS patients die after on average four years and also the need not to constrain the population of available ALS-ailing impostors by the further condition that they should also be able to survive Mr Hawkind as long as his imposted "real" self has actually proved to be surviving, i.e. for about thirty years (as 2015 -±1985), it leads us to conclude that Mr Hawking’s impostor himself needed to be replaced after about four years (i.e. in 1989) by a new ALS-ailing impostor, he himself being culled from an ALS-ailing impostor population reduced by one high-quality unit! After another four years – i.e. by 1993 – the second impostor having died off, they needed another one, compounding the job even more... As I said, one cannot but admire those who had had to find them, considering that by now, (30 divided by 4 = ) about 7 ALS patient impostors have died in the wake of their great example, Mr Hawking himself. We hope that Mr Hawking will die sooner than they run out of any available ALS patient impostors, Mr Hawking himself excluded.



Okay, okay, okay...bare with me ....but , what if they didn't replace him with an als patient, and just used a man who looks as broke down as hawking ? I mean, look at the hands of Hawkins now compared to then. And the voice is a program so that's no big prob either.

I don't know if he is or not, I haven't made my mine up. Just bringing up another pov :)

[Agape]

He's just taken well care of , in my opinion. I've seen what they're capable of in the medical field nowadays , some of it are straight miracles but .. it all still costs too much and the 'cutting edge ' care is also reserved for few people really .
Even among all the other patients with life threatening diseases there are all but few 'candidates' resilient enough to endure all the therapies .

Medicine is not like maths really . Method or medicine that works with one person does not always have the same effect on others . Human organism really is very complex and complicated .
Statistics exist for 'statistics office' sake but what happens in any individual case/life depends on the person and his environment a lot.

The 'aftercare' really is the most important . I've seen how sometimes they perform very expensive surgeries .. and save lives .. but then people are sent back to their ordinary lives and the care they receive ( even if it's stamped by the state and medical protocols ) is really inadequate to their physical and mental shape ,
so they have to spend themselves in order to survive .

How many people still struggle to get something 'simple' such as good hearing aids or other prosthetic devices that would make them feel equal to healthy humans.
How many people lack any good care , adequate to their diagnose .

I think it's millions in every country . Most disabled people are left with very little money to strive on , some in mercy of families who aren't always medical professionals or social care services .

And even if all the above was not true .. while it obviously, mostly is true , and everyone received the 'best care' and 'best assessment' , preferably from childhood ( now I'm talking of sheer utopia of course ) there would still be 'good cases' and 'failures' .

Experimental treatments is really one thing .. and implications of them in reality and making them available to broader populace another .


:angel:

[Selkie]

One cannot but admire the noble profession of impostor search. Obviously Mr Hawking would not have had to be replaced by just any impostor, but by an impostor having ALS! And considering that ALS patients die after on average four years and also the need not to constrain the population of available ALS-ailing impostors by the further condition that they should also be able to survive Mr Hawkind as long as his imposted "real" self has actually proved to be surviving, i.e. for about thirty years (as 2015 -±1985), it leads us to conclude that Mr Hawking’s impostor himself needed to be replaced after about four years (i.e. in 1989) by a new ALS-ailing impostor, he himself being culled from an ALS-ailing impostor population reduced by one high-quality unit! After another four years – i.e. by 1993 – the second impostor having died off, they needed another one, compounding the job even more... As I said, one cannot but admire those who had had to find them, considering that by now, (30 divided by 4 = ) about 7 ALS patient impostors have died in the wake of their great example, Mr Hawking himself. We hope that Mr Hawking will die sooner than they run out of any available ALS patient impostors, Mr Hawking himself excluded.



Okay, okay, okay...bare with me ....but , what if they didn't replace him with an als patient, and just used a man who looks as broke down as hawking ? I mean, look at the hands of Hawkins now compared to then. And the voice is a program so that's no big prob either.

I don't know if he is or not, I haven't made my mine up. Just bringing up another pov :)

Exactly. The imposter could be a character actor, or just some poor guy who, like you say, Saint Theresa, is as broken down as Hawking was. No ALS patient look-alikes needed.

It those teeth, man. The guy is not Hawking. The voice means nothing because its just a computer.

[Selkie]

He's just taken well care of , in my opinion. I've seen what they're capable of in the medical field nowadays , some of it are straight miracles but .. it all still costs too much and the 'cutting edge ' care is also reserved for few people really .
Even among all the other patients with life threatening diseases there are all but few 'candidates' resilient enough to endure all the therapies .

Medicine is not like maths really . Method or medicine that works with one person does not always have the same effect on others . Human organism really is very complex and complicated .
Statistics exist for 'statistics office' sake but what happens in any individual case/life depends on the person and his environment a lot.

The 'aftercare' really is the most important . I've seen how sometimes they perform very expensive surgeries .. and save lives .. but then people are sent back to their ordinary lives and the care they receive ( even if it's stamped by the state and medical protocols ) is really inadequate to their physical and mental shape ,
so they have to spend themselves in order to survive .

How many people still struggle to get something 'simple' such as good hearing aids or other prosthetic devices that would make them feel equal to healthy humans.
How many people lack any good care , adequate to their diagnose .

I think it's millions in every country . Most disabled people are left with very little money to strive on , some in mercy of families who aren't always medical professionals or social care services .

And even if all the above was not true .. while it obviously, mostly is true , and everyone received the 'best care' and 'best assessment' , preferably from childhood ( now I'm talking of sheer utopia of course ) there would still be 'good cases' and 'failures' .

Experimental treatments is really one thing .. and implications of them in reality and making them available to broader populace another .


:angel:

For me, its the teeth...those horrible lower front teeth in the Hawking replacement. Its like they put this obvious replacement right in front of us, and no one can see it because people see what they expect to see. In this case, they expect to see the amazing and heroic Steven Hawking, when its really quite apparent that its not him.

p.s. I didn't believe it at first, either. But when I saw the teeth, that was when I changed my mind.

[DeDukshyn]

He's just taken well care of , in my opinion. I've seen what they're capable of in the medical field nowadays , some of it are straight miracles but .. it all still costs too much and the 'cutting edge ' care is also reserved for few people really .
Even among all the other patients with life threatening diseases there are all but few 'candidates' resilient enough to endure all the therapies .

Medicine is not like maths really . Method or medicine that works with one person does not always have the same effect on others . Human organism really is very complex and complicated .
Statistics exist for 'statistics office' sake but what happens in any individual case/life depends on the person and his environment a lot.

The 'aftercare' really is the most important . I've seen how sometimes they perform very expensive surgeries .. and save lives .. but then people are sent back to their ordinary lives and the care they receive ( even if it's stamped by the state and medical protocols ) is really inadequate to their physical and mental shape ,
so they have to spend themselves in order to survive .

How many people still struggle to get something 'simple' such as good hearing aids or other prosthetic devices that would make them feel equal to healthy humans.
How many people lack any good care , adequate to their diagnose .

I think it's millions in every country . Most disabled people are left with very little money to strive on , some in mercy of families who aren't always medical professionals or social care services .

And even if all the above was not true .. while it obviously, mostly is true , and everyone received the 'best care' and 'best assessment' , preferably from childhood ( now I'm talking of sheer utopia of course ) there would still be 'good cases' and 'failures' .

Experimental treatments is really one thing .. and implications of them in reality and making them available to broader populace another .


:angel:

For me, its the teeth...those horrible lower front teeth in the Hawking replacement. Its like they put this obvious replacement right in front of us, and no one can see it because people see what they expect to see. In this case, they expect to see the amazing and heroic Steven Hawking, when its really quite apparent that its not him.

p.s. I didn't believe it at first, either. But when I saw the teeth, that was when I changed my mind.

When people get old, their gums recede - in some cases a lot. This can turn short normal looking teeth into long gangly looking things. This happens to almost all of us with age and/or disease.

http://static-img-a.hgcdn.net/Media/_640x480/BGHG_110_RecedingGums_THUMB_640X480.jpg

[Selkie]

He's just taken well care of , in my opinion. I've seen what they're capable of in the medical field nowadays , some of it are straight miracles but .. it all still costs too much and the 'cutting edge ' care is also reserved for few people really .
Even among all the other patients with life threatening diseases there are all but few 'candidates' resilient enough to endure all the therapies .

Medicine is not like maths really . Method or medicine that works with one person does not always have the same effect on others . Human organism really is very complex and complicated .
Statistics exist for 'statistics office' sake but what happens in any individual case/life depends on the person and his environment a lot.

The 'aftercare' really is the most important . I've seen how sometimes they perform very expensive surgeries .. and save lives .. but then people are sent back to their ordinary lives and the care they receive ( even if it's stamped by the state and medical protocols ) is really inadequate to their physical and mental shape ,
so they have to spend themselves in order to survive .

How many people still struggle to get something 'simple' such as good hearing aids or other prosthetic devices that would make them feel equal to healthy humans.
How many people lack any good care , adequate to their diagnose .

I think it's millions in every country . Most disabled people are left with very little money to strive on , some in mercy of families who aren't always medical professionals or social care services .

And even if all the above was not true .. while it obviously, mostly is true , and everyone received the 'best care' and 'best assessment' , preferably from childhood ( now I'm talking of sheer utopia of course ) there would still be 'good cases' and 'failures' .

Experimental treatments is really one thing .. and implications of them in reality and making them available to broader populace another .


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For me, its the teeth...those horrible lower front teeth in the Hawking replacement. Its like they put this obvious replacement right in front of us, and no one can see it because people see what they expect to see. In this case, they expect to see the amazing and heroic Steven Hawking, when its really quite apparent that its not him.

p.s. I didn't believe it at first, either. But when I saw the teeth, that was when I changed my mind.

When people get old, their gums recede - in some cases a lot. This can turn short normal looking teeth into long gangly looking things. This happens to almost all of us with age and/or disease.

http://static-img-a.hgcdn.net/Media/_640x480/BGHG_110_RecedingGums_THUMB_640X480.jpg

Yeah, but in the pics, the real Hawkins teeth are grey, rotted-down stumps. In the replacement Hawking, the teeth are long and ugly, but normal and healthy as you picture above.

p.s. None of us can be absolutely, 100% sure that they have replaced Hawking, but if I was betting, I'd bet they replaced him with an imposter because the real Hawking died.

[Bingo]

If it's true, as Jon Rappoport has indicated in several of his articles, many articles (up to 50%) in science and medical journals are hoaxed, then it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to hoax the scientists as well. And, don't forget, they apparently have biological robots as well that are very advanced. You can't tell they are really robots unless up very close. Interesting food for thought.

[Apophenia]

He's just taken well care of , in my opinion. I've seen what they're capable of in the medical field nowadays , some of it are straight miracles but .. it all still costs too much and the 'cutting edge ' care is also reserved for few people really .
Even among all the other patients with life threatening diseases there are all but few 'candidates' resilient enough to endure all the therapies .

Medicine is not like maths really . Method or medicine that works with one person does not always have the same effect on others . Human organism really is very complex and complicated .
Statistics exist for 'statistics office' sake but what happens in any individual case/life depends on the person and his environment a lot.

The 'aftercare' really is the most important . I've seen how sometimes they perform very expensive surgeries .. and save lives .. but then people are sent back to their ordinary lives and the care they receive ( even if it's stamped by the state and medical protocols ) is really inadequate to their physical and mental shape ,
so they have to spend themselves in order to survive .

How many people still struggle to get something 'simple' such as good hearing aids or other prosthetic devices that would make them feel equal to healthy humans.
How many people lack any good care , adequate to their diagnose .

I think it's millions in every country . Most disabled people are left with very little money to strive on , some in mercy of families who aren't always medical professionals or social care services .

And even if all the above was not true .. while it obviously, mostly is true , and everyone received the 'best care' and 'best assessment' , preferably from childhood ( now I'm talking of sheer utopia of course ) there would still be 'good cases' and 'failures' .

Experimental treatments is really one thing .. and implications of them in reality and making them available to broader populace another .


:angel:

For me, its the teeth...those horrible lower front teeth in the Hawking replacement. Its like they put this obvious replacement right in front of us, and no one can see it because people see what they expect to see. In this case, they expect to see the amazing and heroic Steven Hawking, when its really quite apparent that its not him.

p.s. I didn't believe it at first, either. But when I saw the teeth, that was when I changed my mind.

When people get old, their gums recede - in some cases a lot. This can turn short normal looking teeth into long gangly looking things. This happens to almost all of us with age and/or disease.

http://static-img-a.hgcdn.net/Media/_640x480/BGHG_110_RecedingGums_THUMB_640X480.jpg

Yeah, but in the pics, the real Hawkins teeth are grey, rotted-down stumps. In the replacement Hawking, the teeth are long and ugly, but normal and healthy as you picture above.

p.s. None of us can be absolutely, 100% sure that they have replaced Hawking, but if I was betting, I'd bet they replaced him with an imposter because the real Hawking died.

Teeth discoloration can be whitened by regular dental visits, it may take a few months, but even the caked-on grey appearance can be removed if done properly.

Replacements or decoys can exist, sure, but Mathis' needs to show more evidence or plausibility before it can be taken seriously.

[MorningFox]

Personally I don't believe for a second that Hawking has been replaced, however I guess if it were true he'd be an easy place to start. I imagine it'd be a lot easier to replace someone who sits perfectly still, with no mannerisms, and has a computer generated voice :bigsmile: