Fugitives/Refugees coming to Europe

[transiten]

Just want to direct attention to the alarming situation with fugtifs drowning in the Mediterranean and suffocating in trucks while fleeing from the wars in the Middle East. At the moment Sweden and Germany recieve the largest number but slowly the other European countries are being urged to take their responability and French president Hollande has stepped up to the plate.

The Nazis hiding within the Swedish Democrats Party take advantage of the situation by putting weak groups like poor pensionists, single mothers and the social security systems that are being dismanteled against those who are fleeing for their lives and is now the 3:rd biggest party in Sweden. Also because the other parties have not dealt with the question and which they now are forced to.

The government also have refused to negociate with the Swedish Democrats which has put them in the situation of the bullied victim which increases pples sympathy for them and pple vote for them not realizing their hidden agenda. Those forces are growing in Europe at high speed.

On the other hand 2 days in a row 2 persons have called a radioprogram where pple can give their opinion and pointed to the fact that some 80 persons are ruling the world economy and explained the pyramid/fiat/debt system, which has never happened before! They were even surprised they were let in, one guy had been working 40 years in the banking system and has written several books that of couse were not edited by the Bonniers and other controlled publishers. Thing is most pple don't connect the dots, as Avalonians know is still the working Machiavellian mechanism: "Divide and Rule".

As soon as you put on the radio or TV in Sweden this is what is constantly being discussed and reported on and I sometimes feel like living on another planet from pple on this forum.

[Wind]

It indeed has become a difficult situation. Those third world countries have become so destabilized due to many reasons such as climate change, wars etc. (big thanks goes to US and Russia) that poor people are fleeing to Europe. Other option for them is to die, or just die by trying. People in Europe have started to despise the politicians even more and racism has raised it's ugly head meanwhile extreme right wing groups have started to garner power and attention in many countries, which is alarming. Something should be done to the situation, humanely.

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[transiten]

Thanks a lot Wind! I don't have the time and energy to post much now, leaving for the eastcoast and only access to computor 1 hour in the library; just wanted to alert others to, but I'll be back.

[Violet]

This thread is about the massive exodus of refugees towards the European continent which reached a record high this summer. Most of the refugees are from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan but there are also black refugees from various drought and war striken African countries.

I will be posting updates on the subject here. Feel free to join if you have related information of interest.

There may be article sources in French, Dutch and other languages besides English. No worries, you can easily run them through machine translation which, though not generating a perfect rendition, will give you a general idea.

Ok, let's start with what I have so far (in non-chronological order):



- The Dutch cabinet asks its municipalities to make available more shelter places for refugees: http://www.elsevier.nl/Nederland/achtergrond/2015/8/Kabinet-vraagt-om-extra-opvang-vluchtelingen-2677509W/

- Belgium asks the (smaller) municipalities to contribute more in the distribution of refugees in shelter centers. The trend is metropoles housing the largest number, but one mayor of such a metropole has already stated that his city can't take more refugees and that smaller municipalities located on the outskirts must also help. By October Belgium hopes to see its shelters risen from 16.200 to 28.173: http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20150828_01838132

- 71 (poss. Syrian) refugees found dead by asphyxation in cooling truck left behind for 24h on Vienna (Austria) highway: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-europe-grants-eu-austria-idUSKCN0QW19H20150827

- Eastern Germany not happy with Merkel's helpful hand in refugee crisis calling her a traitor and burning refugee shelters: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11824695/Violence-against-refugee-centres-in-Germany-increases-with-two-new-attacks.html

- 4 out of 5 Flemish think the country's limit for refugees has been reached, 1/5 thinks there's still some space left: http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/Binnenland/article/detail/2437279/2015/08/27/Vier-op-de-vijf-Vlamingen-geen-voorstander-meer-vluchtelingen-op-te-vangen.dhtml

- 200 live, 200 die in new boat drama by Libyan coast. "At least one victim, a man, was wearing a life vest. ": http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/migrant-crisis-up-to-200-feared-drowned-off-coast-of-libya-1.3206760

- Slovakia opts out of European help operation saying unfortunately it doesn't have enough mosques: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/599520/migrant-crisis-immigrant-EU-Slovakia-Muslim-Syria-Christian-European-Union

- Rows at Belgian Foreign Affairs office keep growing. Services distribute leaflets with instructions for asylum seekers...in Dutch: http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20150825_01832955

- And finishing with a column from http://www.sunnation.co.uk/we-didnt-cause-eu-refugee-crisis-by-going-to-war-but-by-not-finishing-the-job/

[Violet]

I just opened an update topic on this. Then I saw yours. Thanks for highlighting, Transiten. We must be brave now, and strong. A moment of truth for humanity.

[Violet]

US accepting 8000 Syrian refugees in 2016: http://www.ibtimes.com/us-accept-8000-syrian-refugees-after-germany-france-call-overhaul-eu-asylum-system-2066777
France divides instream of refugees, separating war refugees from economic refugees (source follows)

[transiten]

Hi Violet! Just synchronistically started a thread about this topic 1 hour ago! I think the mods should merge our threads.

[transiten]

:handshake: Violet! Just answered your post suggesting they should be merged.

[Shannon]

My heart goes out to all the refugees and migrants just trying to stay alive. I don't understand it all, but I do know these people do not deserve to be treated like this.

[Selkie]

My heart goes out to all the refugees and migrants just trying to stay alive. I don't understand it all, but I do know these people do not deserve to be treated like this.

Yes, mine, too, and to the Europeans who have to deal with the influx.

[transiten]

Also now is discussed on radio if increasing control tapping mobiles etc. to try stop trerrorist attacks in Sweden due to the radicalization of frustrated muslims in suburbs going to Syria to fight, will threaten the integrity of pple...Sweden surely deserves the title of the 51:th state of the US....

Will legislation solve this problem. obviously not.

Our former conservative finance minister Anders Borg (they called themselves the New Workingclass Party:facepalm: just said: "The US starts the wars and Sweden recieves the fugitives" and Reinfeldt the former leader of the party said before the Socialdemocrats and Green party that won the election (although they are at the moment governing with the conservatives budget since the victory wasn't big enough) "Open your Hearts to the fugitifs" which is an odd statement to come from a conservative "Moderat" as they are called.

I'm surely at loss when it comes to analyzing this. Borg also was an anarchist when he was young and for a long time wore a horsetail and a ring in his ear...

[Shannon]

My heart goes out to all the refugees and migrants just trying to stay alive. I don't understand it all, but I do know these people do not deserve to be treated like this.

Yes, mine, too, and to the Europeans who have to deal with the influx.

I feel like the our country, the U.S. is to blame for wars, so we have blame for the loss of lives fleeing the wars we started. It's heartbreaking. I feel so bad for these people.

[Selkie]

My heart goes out to all the refugees and migrants just trying to stay alive. I don't understand it all, but I do know these people do not deserve to be treated like this.

Yes, mine, too, and to the Europeans who have to deal with the influx.

I feel like the our country, the U.S. is to blame for wars, so we have blame for the loss of lives fleeing the wars we started. It's heartbreaking. I feel so bad for these people.

I know, me, too :(

[Zampano]

I wanted to start a new thread too, because it is a very hot topic at the moment.
As it happens, I am living in the town where the biggest Asylum Center is located here in Austria.
And of course, topic number one in the news. I will sum it up here...
The center is overcrowded-more than double of the people who would fit in there. They have to sleep outside in tents (provided by private people) or on a mat outside.
Doesnt matter if it is raining or crazy hot-like this summer. Some have to sleep in buses, provided by the state. Public transportation buses.
Not enough food-people have to wait hours in line for food and water. Sanitary infrastructure: really bad-no toilet paper, no shower curtains. Also, people are waiting in a row to shower. Medical doctors show up occassionally. Couple of women had a stillbirth. Many more suicide attempts. Nearly no possibilities to wash cloth.
The recent Amnesty International report was utterly devastating and does violate human rights.
NGOs are helping to a point and lot of private initiatives have been created to deliever food, water, cloth, sanitary products, language courses, private housing possibilites, jobs...
That is really good to see BUT...the distribution of the donation does not work at all. There are gangs inside of the center, taking stuff and selling it for money, cigarettes, alcohol and I dont know what. Government said, they stop the "intake" of more refugees...but what can you do, if you have hundreds! more coming every day. Bureaucracy makes it very very hard for private people who want to offer housing. Some give it up, even though they are willing to help.
The government knew in advance what was coming, but didnt prepare at all.
The center is in the town, so lots of people lingering arround in the streets, leaving trash everywhere, loud noise at night. The neighbours do not enjoy it, as you can imagine.
And as Violet posted above...more than 70 people were found dead in a truck next to the highway here.

Thats enough fuel for the right wing politicians to become more popular with their unhuman policy. Of course, also in other European countries.
In Germany they set small Asylum Centers on fire. Other cities and villages formed initiatives with the community members to help refugees.
Hungary is building a fence to stop refugees, entering from Serbia. The popular route is from Turkey to Greece to Serbia or Macedonia and then Hungary to Germany/Scandinavian states/Austria/Italy. And they declared the state of emergency in Macedonia. Thats it for now

[transiten]

Apart from the fugitives from the Middle-East who live in Asylums there are "Romer" - don't know the English word, earlier called Gypsies or Zigenare- from Romainia f.ex begging for money here in Sweden. They also live under miserable circumstances and pple have set fire on their "illegal" camps, the situation is similar to what you describe Zampano. Many children are coming alone, mostly boys only today 206 to a place outside Gothenburg and many of them "disappear".

This will be a hughe test of our human condition and the polarization is obvious, some will shut their hearts down others will open up and all the same it's not an easy thing to do. Pple don't necessarily behave politely just because they need help. Therefore it's necessary to deal with the psychological consequences of posttraumatic stress among the needy and often there are too many practcal issues that have to be solved so they are not receptive to this kind of help at first.

[Zampano]

Germany expected 250.000 asylum applications for 2015...some days ago they corrected the number to 800.000
Yes transiten, we have or had them too here. Roma as an ethnic group were living in illegal trailer camps, followed by violation from so called "patriots".


- 71 (poss. Syrian) refugees found dead by asphyxation in cooling truck left behind for 24h on Vienna (Austria) highway: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0QW19H20150827

It seems, that they died some days ago, because the bodies already showed signs of decay.

And whats also important...many of the refugees come here traumatized from warcrimes and/or loss of family members during war and on their escape route.

[Cidersomerset]

These events have always gone on from Biblical times until now and in the end,
the civilians are always exploited by 'gangs' of traffiker's that suspiciously always
get past some government official or other by bribery and blackmail etc.

This is one of the main things the UN was set up to stop yet , Sex trafficking,
economic exploitation or inhumane smuggling of the politically vulnerable
is as bad to day as it was from the exudus from Egypt by Mosses.

This is a common occurrence , somewhere in the world today exploited people die
while millions are moved around the world by underground people movers.
Usually in the wake of war , civil unrest, famine but not always most are just
exploited by the sex trade cheap labour and criminal gangs , not helped by geo
political upheavals especially in the Middle East right now. It should be said that
done correctly there is a place for people being helped genuinely fleeing warzones
like Syria and Iraq at the moment , so I'm not saying we should 'ghettotize ' them.
Just come up with better ideas for these events that are happening all the time.


In 2000.....

58 Chinese migrants found dead in lorry at Dover, Britain ...

21 Jun 2000 - 58 Chinese migrants found dead in lorry at Dover, Britain ... women
were discovered in an airtight 18 metre-long container at the port of Dover.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/06/immi-j21.html

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THE TELEGRAPH...

By David Blair and agencies
10:18AM BST 16 Aug 2014


Man dies as 35 people found 'screaming and banging' in shipping container at
Tilbury Docks'Homicide inquiry' launched as dozens of desperate stowaways, all
from the Indian subcontinent, are taken to hospital after being found in a shipping
container in Essex

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11038521/Man-dies-as-35-people-found-screaming-and-banging-in-shipping-container-at-Tilbury-Docks.html


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Migrant crisis: Four arrests over Austria lorry deaths

2 hours ago....From the section Europe

Short vid on link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34083337

Hungarian police say they have arrested four people over the discovery of the
bodies of 71 migrants, thought to be Syrian, in a lorry in Austria.

Three of those arrested are Bulgarian and one is Afghan.

The victims included 59 men, eight women and four children who are thought to have been dead for about two days.

The decomposing bodies were discovered by Austrian police on Thursday morning
in the abandoned lorry, near the Hungarian border.

Officials said the victims probably died after suffocating in the vehicle.


The lorry was towed to a customs building with refrigeration facilities where
forensic teams worked through the night to examine the bodies.

The people are thought to have been dead when the vehicle crossed into Austria
from Hungary. Among the victims was a girl aged between one and two years old.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34083337

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These were luckier in the sense they did not die............


http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/page/express_logo.png

FOUND: 68 immigrants including two pregnant women discovered LOCKED in
shipping container

BORDER police have arrested four Polish truckers on suspicion of immigration
offences after 68 people - including two pregnant women - were found crammed in
a shipping container at an Essex port last night.

By Nick Gutteridge and Rob Virtue

PUBLISHED: 08:44, Fri, Jun 5, 2015 | UPDATED: 22:18, Fri, Jun 5, 2015

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/Essex-container-582386.jpg

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/secondary/Harwich-299384.jpg

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/582386/UK-border-force-probe-68-suspected-illegal-immigrants-found-shipping-container-Essex-port

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Dismaland: Banksy opens ‘bemusement park’ in England .....Political dark Satire is still alive

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10465505.ece/alternates/w460/banksy-pa3.jpg

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84774-Dismaland-Banksy-opens---bemusement-park---in-England-.....Political-dark-Satire-is-still-alive

[Bill Ryan]

:handshake: Violet! Just answered your post suggesting they should be merged.

Yes, done. :thumbsup:

Many thanks to you both for drawing the members' attention to this.

[Violet]

Thanks Transiten!
Thanks Bill!

[Violet]

Also now is discussed on radio if increasing control tapping mobiles etc. to try stop trerrorist attacks in Sweden due to the radicalization of frustrated muslims in suburbs going to Syria to fight, will threaten the integrity of pple...Sweden surely deserves the title of the 51:th state of the US....

Will legislation solve this problem. obviously not.

Our former conservative finance minister Anders Borg (they called themselves the New Workingclass Party:facepalm: just said: "The US starts the wars and Sweden recieves the fugitives" and Reinfeldt the former leader of the party said before the Socialdemocrats and Green party that won the election (although they are at the moment governing with the conservatives budget since the victory wasn't big enough) "Open your Hearts to the fugitifs" which is an odd statement to come from a conservative "Moderat" as they are called.

I'm surely at loss when it comes to analyzing this. Borg also was an anarchist when he was young and for a long time wore a horsetail and a ring in his ear...

There is a realistic threat though, I don't expect it to be long before articles will be coming out on that theme.
How can you be sure no trained IS-warriors are hiding among the refugees?

I think Mr Borg might be putting too much feathers in Sweden's cap but he has a point when he says someone started a war and someone else has to deal with the consequences. But let's give it the benefit of the doubt. 8000 places have already been reserved for Syrian refugees next year.

[Michel Leclerc]

I should not drown 72 deaths with too many words, my friends. I should not kill 72 lives with too many words.

A Spanish photographer, Francisco Carrasco Cortès took a picture, back in 2003, that can help me:

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[Nikola Tesla]

US accepting 8000 Syrian refugees in 2016: http://www.ibtimes.com/us-accept-8000-syrian-refugees-after-germany-france-call-overhaul-eu-asylum-system-2066777
France divides instream of refugees, separating war refugees from economic refugees (source follows)


8000 is by far not that much, just in Germany they expect 800 000 till end of the year. This poor people are living they homes because USA / NATO are bomb down they countries one after another. The endless war has to stop now! The people in Europe are in midle of a big financial crisis and tiered to support this USA wars arround the globe.

[Sophocles]

I think it is sickening how we the people are being used as pawns in a (also Tavistockian-like) game we seemingly cannot win.

ISIS threatens to send 500,000 migrants to Europe as a 'psychological weapon' in chilling echo of Gaddafi's prophecy that the Mediterranean 'will become a sea of chaos' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html)


Italian press today published claims that ISIS has threatened to release the huge wave of migrants to cause chaos in Europe if they are attacked
And letters from jihadists show plans to hide terrorists among refugees
In 2011, Muammar Gaddafi ominously predicted war would come to Libya
He was deposed in a violent coup and killed in October of the same year
Islamic State executed 21 Egyptian Christians on Libyan beach this week
Crisis in Libya has led to surge in number of migrants heading for Europe


Like a scene from the Third World, thousands of migrants race to catch the last trains into Europe: Desperate families head towards Hungary before the country completes a 109-mile long fence across its borders (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3187058/Thousands-migrants-race-catch-trains-Europe-Desperate-families-head-Macedonia-hoping-cross-Hungary-country-completes-109-mile-long-fence-borders.html)


Men, women and children were photographed waiting for trains in the Macedonian town of Gevgelija today
Families then crowd into packed, run-down carriages as they travel towards Serbia and on to Hungary
Once they are smuggled into Hungary they can easily pass without passport check on to Germany and France
Many of thousands of migrants currently trying to reach the UK via the Channel Tunnel in Calais took this route

‘Out of control’: Greek police beat migrants to stop brawls on troubled island of Kos (http://www.rt.com/news/312214-greece-police-migrants-kos/)


Police on Greek island of Kos have beaten migrants with truncheons and sprayed them with fire extinguishers when a fight broke out among the refugees on Tuesday. The deteriorating refugee crisis could end in “bloodshed”, a local mayor has warned.

Exhausted and thirsty, migrants scuffle to get across the Greek-Macedonian border (http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/08/28/exhausted-migrants-scuffle-at-greek-macedonian-border)


IDOMENI, Greece (AP) — Scuffles and limited fights broke out Friday among more than 1,000 people at Greece's northern border with Macedonia as exhausted, thirsty migrants jostled to get into position to cross.

[t2016]

Thanks for posting this video. As an Asian, I did not realise this problem is so serious right now in Europe. I will definitely do a prayer to them.

[transiten]

I should not drown 72 deaths with too many words, my friends. I should not kill 72 lives with too many words.

A Spanish photographer, Francisco Carrasco Cortès took a picture, back in 2003, that can help me:

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Michel, as English is not my native language I don't understand what you mean? The moving picture says more than a 1000 words though...

[ghostrider]

Edward Meier foretold of this situation a long time ago , also all of Europe will fall to Islam , and the fanatics will maintain their power for a long time ... it will lead to a war that will encompass the entire world ... The Henoch Prophecies ...the world plays out just as he wrote about back in 1951 and 1958 ...http://theyflyblog.com/2011/06/07/and-the-hits-just-keep-on-coming/

[Violet]

Ghostrider, this and/or other prophecies will not make people find the courage needed to deal with this. If fear and more despair (that all is lost) is ongoingly instilled in the local community eventually this will lead to a very explosive situation. Nobody wants that.


I wanted to start a new thread too, because it is a very hot topic at the moment.
As it happens, I am living in the town where the biggest Asylum Center is located here in Austria.
And of course, topic number one in the news. I will sum it up here...
The center is overcrowded-more than double of the people who would fit in there. They have to sleep outside in tents (provided by private people) or on a mat outside.
Doesnt matter if it is raining or crazy hot-like this summer. Some have to sleep in buses, provided by the state. Public transportation buses.
Not enough food-people have to wait hours in line for food and water. Sanitary infrastructure: really bad-no toilet paper, no shower curtains. Also, people are waiting in a row to shower. Medical doctors show up occassionally. Couple of women had a stillbirth. Many more suicide attempts. Nearly no possibilities to wash cloth.
The recent Amnesty International report was utterly devastating and does violate human rights.
NGOs are helping to a point and lot of private initiatives have been created to deliever food, water, cloth, sanitary products, language courses, private housing possibilites, jobs...
That is really good to see BUT...the distribution of the donation does not work at all. There are gangs inside of the center, taking stuff and selling it for money, cigarettes, alcohol and I dont know what. Government said, they stop the "intake" of more refugees...but what can you do, if you have hundreds! more coming every day. Bureaucracy makes it very very hard for private people who want to offer housing. Some give it up, even though they are willing to help.
The government knew in advance what was coming, but didnt prepare at all.
The center is in the town, so lots of people lingering arround in the streets, leaving trash everywhere, loud noise at night. The neighbours do not enjoy it, as you can imagine.
And as Violet posted above...more than 70 people were found dead in a truck next to the highway here.

Thats enough fuel for the right wing politicians to become more popular with their unhuman policy. Of course, also in other European countries.
In Germany they set small Asylum Centers on fire. Other cities and villages formed initiatives with the community members to help refugees.
Hungary is building a fence to stop refugees, entering from Serbia. The popular route is from Turkey to Greece to Serbia or Macedonia and then Hungary to Germany/Scandinavian states/Austria/Italy. And they declared the state of emergency in Macedonia. Thats it for now

That's crazy and so can bureaucracy be, but it is necessary to keep some kind of order in this. Maybe they could switch to a bureaucracy Light version to speed things up a little.

I live in a neighbourhood that houses a lot of Afghan (admitted) refugees. I didn't really notice in the beginning but one day my attention was drawn by a prominent presence of Afghan male dress in the streets, where I was used to seeing djellabas. They play some cool cricket in the park. Not a common scene, cricket. At first I thought they were Pakistani, who knows, some of them might be.

Yes, there is loud screaming and shouting after 22h, most of the time. Sometimes it's in an Eastern European sounding language, lots of kurva-cursing. At others it's an angry black woman shouting in her phone. We also have some gypsy families around here. I'm often worried about their young kids, because they leave them out to play late at night on the roadway, and the cars - for some reason - tend to mistake this 30km zone for a highway.

The black man on the other side of the street is always playing a loud Holy Mount Zion with his windows wide open, also way after 22h, which was cool the first day, but I've nearly memorised the record by now.

It's a permanent scene, and you take it or leave it, there is only so much you can do or say. From what I can see, the new generation local Belgians are taking the challenge; they're buying up the old houses that the previous generations left, and they're renovating them and doing what they can to push the neighbourhood into advancement.

[transiten]

Edward Meier foretold of this situation a long time ago , also all of Europe will fall to Islam , and the fanatics will maintain their power for a long time ... it will lead to a war that will encompass the entire world ... The Henoch Prophecies ...the world plays out just as he wrote about back in 1951 and 1958 ...http://theyflyblog.com/2011/06/07/and-the-hits-just-keep-on-coming/

I'm sorry to say this sounds like the worst propaganda from the racist/fascist factions in Sweden. That said I don't think all pple voting for the Swedish Democrats are racists but they don't understand what forces they are driven by and their background in Nazi ideologies. Most pple just see the problems that arise with the fugitifs coming here and it's easier to put the blame on them than to deal with the powerstructures that govern our planet.

Also I don't trust every prophesy one can find in an old book be it the Bible, the Quoran or Bhagavad Gita. Nostradamus also predicted the conflicts that will arise between Islam and The Western cultures but not the final outcome. Channeling also is a tricky thing and can be distorted by the reciever or the source might not be the most benevolent.

A prophecy can also be a warning saying if we continue like this, this and this might happen.

So if we can foresee something we have the possibility to change the outcome right.

Please focus on practicing Free Will. If we believe in absolute determinism we can just as well shut Avalon down.

[MalteseKnight]

Take this for what it is worth: Clif High had at one point indicated that his predictive software seemed to suggest that the coming shifts in the global economy and subtle climate changes would induce many refugees to reverse migrate home. I would tend to agree with him. The shift in consciousness which could lead to the stabilization of source countries for migration is already occurring. A case in point: despite the number of desperate attempts by negative factions to initiate WWIII in recent years, all have fallen through. The Ukraine and Iran crises es (hope I got the spelling right :inlove:) have in their own respective ways been contained . Even last few days have seen North and Korea tensions being substantially defused. The planet is slowly but gently moving to slightly positive net orientation from the slightly negative orientation it had a few years ago. We can recall that the artificially contrived Swine flu pandemic came to nought as did Sars. It could well be that with hindsight we will perceive 21st December, 2012 as having indeed been a turning point. We should not take the present economic challenges with so much of a gloom and doom attitude. Rather, they are an indirect part of a process that will see long suppressed patents come to public knowledge, with individuals and local communities realigning themselves. Even a Carrington event could have positive effects....we could relearn much of the art of connecting with each other away from electronic media, rediscover the joy of printed books and relearn the joyful craft of repairing and putting things together by hand.

[bogeyman]

It is quite obvious that the terrorists have stated they are using people to flood Europe to allow infiltration of terrorists, and drain the resources of all that oppose them. It is not a good thing many people in Europe who were born there cannot even get suitable housing, enough food, and many other essential things so how can European countries deal with more people coming into their countries they cannot. It will cause social upheaval and resentment when the resources state to run out.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Transiten.

English is only my third or fourth. I did take a few poetic liberties, I guess, with my first two sentences.

The strange thing with words is that they are necessary. They are, even for this photograph. Someone has said: "A picture says more than 1000 words, but only if you say these 1000 words first.“

The world is full of manipulated pictures. Photographers' intentions are as complex and unsoundable as anybody’s intentions, and certainly as any artist’s intentions. And to the extent that photographs are windows on reality, that reality also is unfathomable and inexhaustible.

I love that picture, it is a visual prayer, or rather a yantra as in Indian religions, instilling into me the meekness of the soul required to be of any help.

Yet there are people who have said that this photograph has been staged. Both men would be actors. Francisco Carrasco Cortès has an artist's ambitions with his photography, and this picture won Catalunya's 2003 best photograph competition.

Even then, works of art can move us to the point that they soften our selfishness.

Have you counted my words? More can be said about the photograph.

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Yet words can be "too many". There is something in the fugitive "crisis" (as it is called) that makes me want to shut up first of all myself (hence the "I should" instead of "you should"). Words are more part of the problem than of the solution.

Words, also words on this forum, are too often spoken to smother the voice of conscience, that tells us, hammering in our heart, that we are guilty.

This whole forum details, often with anger, how "the powers that be" are evil incarnate and foment wars and massacres. Yet we live in the countries they lead, and we allow them to "be".

We know how the American Empire has wilfully spread total chaos in the Middle East to secure the indefensible position of its allies, killing hundreds of thousands, de-developing economies, uprooting cultures, disintegrating civilisations. Yet we let them be. We are not part of their evil, we say. They do not do that evil in our name or stead. We are innocent. We suffer ourselves. How American citizens’ conscience can be at peace with all this is beyond me.

We, Transiten, living in the Empire's vassal states Sweden and Belgium, have witnessed how staged massacres, slaying of political leaders and other iconic personalities, have spread fear and frozen our peoples' consciences. The "dumbing down" of the American population has now spread the world over. We in our vassal states are co-responsible for the destruction of Iraq, Libya, Syria and maybe now Lebanon. To an extent different for each vassal state, our states' armies have been accomplices in these murders of thousands. I live in Belgium and my conscience is being eaten away at a fast pace.

The people in the Middle East who take up arms and relish in killings – and, allowing for the necessity to resist tyrants as we should do in our countries, I would like to qualify this sentence by stating: the people in the Middle East coming from our countries who take up arms and relish in killings – the murders they commit are our co-responsibility. They are the outcome of the education systems we have allowed to go to smithereens and of the ethical values we have allowed to be emptied by the "culture" of the Empire.

How hypocritical haven't we been, as far as Syria is concerned, almost silently cheering them on as they were leaving for that country to "depose the dictator" – brainwashed as we were by the "media"-beyond-remedy – and now considering them liabilities for our "society" as they are coming back, a dangerous little bit more war-streetwise.

I think we are terribly guilty, and now the consequence of our terrible negligence, carelessness, foolishness comes upon us in wave after wave of people whose economy, whose culture, whose civilisation has been broken with our hands.

How obvious then, that the only thing we should reasonably do to rebuild our broken hearts and minds – because, as the great French philosopher Alain Badiou has said, in the wake of psychoanalyst Jacques Lacan: a person (a "subject" is their correct word) is only whole to the extent that he is faithful to what he considers true. Le sujet n’existe que dans la mesure où il est fidèle à ce qu'il tient pour vrai – the only thing we could do to repair our broken selves – broken by the Empire's unrelenting propaganda – is to act, to do the deeds of mercy and lovingkindness required by this tragedy.

As I have been reminded of just today: during the First World War, 1 million Belgian refugees, fleeing from the German occupier's armies, found shelter in the Netherlands (which remained neutral and was not affected by the war), then a country of 6 million people. The Dutch population grew, and for a full four years, by 16 percent.

How egoistic have we, Belgians, become – at least, if the word "egoism" still has a meaning for us, whose egoes even have been broken...

Your great civilisation, Transiten, sheltered thousands of American drafted soldiers during the Vietnam War, who did not want to go and kill people with yellow skin. I used to be in Göteborg in the early 70s, where I was learning Swedish, and spoke with those soldiers who were full of admiration for Sweden, as I was, and we were happy and proud and wept at the same time.

Given that – given that our selves are broken with repressed feelings of guilt, we are too keen to smother this voice with words – words expressing contradictory emotions of anger, indignation, self-protective outbursts in front of perceived intrusion, pity, self-pity, horror at atrocities, half-concealed bloodthirstiness at "graphic" representations of the same atrocities – too keen to vent them in anonymised forums, too fearful to do the undocumented action of relief and consolation. Too keen to plapper, too shy to hug.

As I am, here, writing 1,000 words to express how the photograph moves me.

[Verdilac]

It has to be said that multiple conflicts that run on for years in the middle east have this exact effect and the planners know this, Its heart breaking.

Who could or would want to live there, people say in the street everyday wherever you go, why don't they fight for there country.

Well when a bunch of thugs armed with AK47's are coming your way and all you have a sticks & rocks to defend yourself the obvious thing for yourself & your family is to avoid the confrontation, Why don't people understand that, Its like the media dehumanises them on the grounds that we cant afford to help them.

A lot of people need to put themselves in these peoples positions and ask what would we do if we were them, because I can tell you I wouldn't fight a bunch of thugs with guns with sticks & stones for England, Sorry to cuss but I've heard this crap ever other day of my life about fighting for your country & how there's honour in it, no there's not, your a pawn in there game if you go along with it. My forefathers on my fathers & mothers side were military men and must have fought 100 years between them and yet were back here again in the middle,causing trouble and going along with this middle eastern white wash with sykes picot most probably at the center of it, if you don't believe it research what sykes picot is and what they wanted to achieve.Then tell me that they haven't now got there way and then tell me it wasn't what they planned 100 years ago.

Its all just so sad for everyone involved that we have been sleepwalked into this from them that knew and were bought off.

Its a land grab on a massive scale, they effectively end up with countries they can take over free of charge and exploit there resources in trade for other locations that displaced head for just to survive, all anyone wants is to be treated fairly.

We the people that are in the countries that are putting fences up should be taking the fences down and accept that we have be played and realise how we handle this is will define us to future generations. So we must make the most of it and try & educate the misinformed not to start something that would resemble civil war or race war as you can bet this was part of there masterplan also, these people are human beings and are going to end up there so we need to stop fighting it and make the best of it.

[ghostrider]

Edward Meier foretold of this situation a long time ago , also all of Europe will fall to Islam , and the fanatics will maintain their power for a long time ... it will lead to a war that will encompass the entire world ... The Henoch Prophecies ...the world plays out just as he wrote about back in 1951 and 1958 ...http://theyflyblog.com/2011/06/07/and-the-hits-just-keep-on-coming/

I'm sorry to say this sounds like the worst propaganda from the racist/fascist factions in Sweden. That said I don't think all pple voting for the Swedish Democrats are racists but they don't understand what forces they are driven by and their background in Nazi ideologies. Most pple just see the problems that arise with the fugitifs coming here and it's easier to put the blame on them than to deal with the powerstructures that govern our planet.

Also I don't trust every prophesy one can find in an old book be it the Bible, the Quoran or Bhagavad Gita. Nostradamus also predicted the conflicts that will arise between Islam and The Western cultures but not the final outcome. Channeling also is a tricky thing and can be distorted by the reciever or the source might not be the most benevolent.

A prophecy can also be a warning saying if we continue like this, this and this might happen.

So if we can foresee something we have the possibility to change the outcome right.

Please focus on practicing Free Will. If we believe in absolute determinism we can just as well shut Avalon down.

prophecies can be changed , if we the people change the way we think and take responsibility for our world ... if we don't the words of Henoch could not be any clearer ... sadly this is a prophecy that dates back 8,000 years ... and our world has marched right along , climate change, A.I. , Bio=chipping , plastic credit cards , the man saw a possible future and wrote words to help humanity wake up and have a chance at a better future ...

[Violet]

Meanwhile there is still an ongoing social debate about both the generations following the migrants from the 60-70s stream as well as the latter group itself. A different type of migration. Western Europe was industrially expanding at a very fast pace and in urgent need of labourers. So they also invited labourers from outside of the country (e.g. Italy) and overseas (Turkey, Morocco). The leaflets they distributed said something along the lines of: Would you like to build a new life, come and work here.

So, the original migrants' motives were economically inspired. And following that line of thought, it is no surprise that their original intent was (as the Polish do now) to come and work for a while, collect their earnings, and return home to build that future. But for some reason, I'm still reading up on that, return was continuously postponed.

Perhaps the earnings were not sufficient, perhaps they were asked to stay a little longer for more projects, I don't know. Either way, the migrants stayed a whole while longer. And their expanding short stay became difficult to combine with the family they left behind in the homeland, which was awaiting the fruits of this adventure. And so the migrants brought their wife and children here to stay with them, just for the duration of the working period.

As time passed by, the children were settling in the Belgian schools and making Belgian friends. It would be a hard task reintegrating them in their home country's school system again. And the parents postponed the return yet again, "but just until the children get married."

Well, the children got married and it appeared again not so easy to leave. Obviously their children who grew up here were not so eager to make a joint return with their parents. And the parents in turn abhorred the idea of being in the homeland without their children. In Mediteranean cultures, children take care of their parents when they grow old. But if they return alone, then who is going to look after them?

Long story short, the return didn't happen.

And there is also another layer in the social evolution from arrival up to the present. When the migrants arrived with the idea of a near future return they weren't motivated to delve into what they experience as a difficult local language. They tried to get by with a bit of French and gestures. And because the idea of return remained, numerously postponed though it be, this motivation remained absent.

As a result, the first migrants (ages averag. 70), still don't speak the local language very well. Their children and their children's children and so on, are also experiencing language problems, even though they went through the whole school system. This has been the subject of various studies. An often cited conclusion is lack of incentive in the home sphere. The originals never spoke it with their children. The children got it from school and mixed it up with their home language and created a contact language which appears hard to correct to the standard language, this is in turn being a prerequisite both for being taken seriously tout court and for a succesful professional carreer and so on.

There is also a lot of delinquency and negative feelings of unwantedness, combined with discrimination and difficulties both to socialise with locals to the extent that locals would consider it a succesful integration as well as being socialised with, first step coming from the locals. Hesitations remain.

There is another layer in this social evolution where locals and migrants ventured on intercultural relations, some as advanced as into marriage but negative experiences are most highlighted and only led to more distrust and resentment on both sides.

And so we have, well not quite ghettos, but definitely marked neighbourhoods: a Spanish quarter, a Turkish quarter, a Jewish quarter, an African quarter, a Moroccan quarter, a Chinese quarter, ...

We have only just reached the stage where some hope was being put in the 3rd and 4th generations who are starting to find their place in society, starting to feel part of it, starting to feel entitled, starting to feel so many positive things.

They speak the language much better than their predecessors, are doing better in school, and doing better professionally (not going to expand on all the "but"s right now). And just as these steps in the right directions are being made, the people feel that now, with the next migrant stream, we have to start all over again...

It leads to a certain tiredness, gloom. Generally the locals don't think the first group succeeded very well, despite various and different policies going from extreme leftist to centre-right. Other influx after the first wave, mostly war refugees (Somali, Afghan, African), I have the impression of being thrown on the same pile, which is not fair because they haven't been here equally long and whatever research, it should be measured accordingly.

What I can recommed is: use this valuable experience to do it differently. This doesn't have to be an "all over again". When the conclusion must be that integration and language policies have not generated desired results over a span of 40-50 years, then the first thing to be doing is abandon the previous approach, and for everyone (locals and migrants alike) to abandon their previous mentality...and try something entirely different.


Source: me, with an ancestor who arrived in the 70s.

[Michel Leclerc]

To inform the readers of this forum:

* Belgium is entitled to the probably worst reputation in the world as a colonial power: our "ancestors" are responsible for the death of several millions of African people in 19th-century Congo, and for systematically sabotaging any possible progress the independent state of Congo might have had – in fact we could call Belgian pre-independence policy as a visionary policy of de-development avant la lettre – our political "leaders" in the 40s and 50s made sure that NO higher education was "wasted" on the Congolese not-even-Belgian-citizens, and consequently decided to have the one politician standing up to this despotism, Patrice Lumumba, killed,

* Belgians have distinguished themselves by their vicious collaboration during the 30s and the Second World War in rounding up and betraying Jewish citizens and immigrants – compensated for, it needs to be said, by an equally strong support from Belgians who helped and hid families in their homes and in religious institutions,

* the migrants arriving in Belgium in the 60s, and speaking languages like Berber, Moroccan Arabic and Turkish, were at the times systematically exploited by their Belgian employers, unable as they were to properly understand employment contracts, social security, security rules on the industrial sites – their unease with the local languages actually suiting their employers and Belgian authorities very well,

* Belgium has the unpleasant reputation of displaying almost East-European percentages of racism in attitudes towards their coloured fellow citizens, shown by proven discrimination with regard to housing (finding decent apartments and houses to rent), employment (systematic hidden discrimination, hiding behind the "wish of the customer"), and social interaction (access to leisure venues such as bars, restaurants etc.),

* complete unwillingness on the part of the Belgian population to learn (part of) any of the languages of their new fellow citizens, and that in spite of the well-known Belgian mastery of the languages Portugalgarve, Hispanotorremolinos and Spaghettitaliano, [on a personal note: being active in education of adults, I advocated, 20 years ago, the creation of a Latin-Arabic secondary-school curriculum along side Latin-Greek, Latin-Math, Latin-Science, Modern Languages etc., but was turned an icy shoulder; now people are saying that we "should have done that 20 years ago"],

* Belgium had complete disdain for the tenets of real Islam, considered by the vast majority of the Belgian population as a barbaric religion – thereby of course parroting what the Empire's propaganda has always trumpeted.

What I think the Belgians should do is:

* start a vast and country-wide cultural and economic effort to follow, empathise, support (and also invest in) the rebuilding of society in Congo, welcoming languages such as Swahili and Lingala as languages taught in the school curriculum, actively engaging populations there and here, building bridges,

* eradicate racism in employment, housing and social interaction, creating not a "multicultural" but a "pluricultural" or even "trans-cultural" environment, making amends for historical mistakes (including anti-Semitism (which is of course not anti-Zionism) and curbing the idiotic suprematist prejudices through a revalorisation of the educational role of schools,

* allow the languages of (at least) Standard Arabic, Moroccan Arabic, Berber, Turkish and Kurdish to be studied at school,

* strengthen the interreligious dialogue (efforts to do so have been under way, especially originating from Catholicism, during the last twenty years) and participate in it, instead of indulging in their consumerist and death-bound materialist "culture" – which, by the way, is the most important criticism coloured people have for Belgian society, that we are "so materialist", by which they do not mean that we do not give them enough money, but that we have lost all sense of transcendental values and a spiritual outlook.

Until we do so, and until we remove from power those who seek to hamper such a truly "humanitarian" evolution, we can only expect the worst.

Are we on the side of fascination for death, or are we on the side of life, which means life as death-transcending life?

We have to envision a course for society that is morally just and pursues the True, the Good and the Beautiful, and we have to incarnate that on earth.

[Violet]

Your honesty is much valued, Michel. And contrary to what you seem to perceive, I don't see it as a correction, but rather a completion.

[transiten]

Thanks Michel for this clarifying info about Belgiums brutal colonial history. Sweden also had a colony in the West Indies for that matter.

[Cardillac]

@Zampano and all readers: the "officious" (as opposed to the official) story of this horrific incident in Austria makes no logical sense whatsoever; anyone with half a brain must realize leaving a truck with valid (or not) 69 suffocated persons in a refrigeration truck (which we in Germany thanks to MSM have been told) makes no logical sense whatsoever; who in their right mind would leave 69 refugees in a truck to suffocate whose licence plates/their owners can be TRACED?-

I tend to think the four arrested persons (according to German MSM) are nothing more than patsies and there is something much more sinister behind this; I certainly don't have the answer to this but I think the official story about this is a lie-

Larry

[Sérénité]

Does anyone by any chance, have any statistical info on the numbers of refugees for the past few months coming to EU countries in comparison to previous months/years?

Has it vastly increased?

I only ask, as I am in line with Cardillac's line of thought stated above that, this huge upsurge and influx being reported on over the past few weeks seems to be a very sudden directed media focus on what is really a very long standing issue that's gone vastly hidden under the carpet and dismissed...

As I'm aware, by September 2013, some 2 million refugees had fled Syria alone and took shelter in neighbouring countries and slowly, further afield. In one week alone back in January 1,000 drowned in the sea's of the Med escaping Libya.
Many more huge incidents have occured on a regular basis.
Yet 69 poor souls are found in a lorry under 'strange' circumstances yet the spotlight is fixed and the world watches suddenly.

This gives slight credence to thoughts that this long standing issue is something suddenly being made a larger media focus of attention of, for the sake of a larger agenda about to come to pass...

[Violet]

It's going to take a while before stable and representative (whatever that means in these affairs) EU stats are going to become available of this. As Zampano pointed out earlier, bureaucracy is becoming untenable with the numbers that are coming in on a daily basis.

However, individual countries are already giving numbers in their daily reports.
Just this morning, for instance, 600 refugees were (radio) reported standing in line at the Immigration office in Brussels.

Official numbers for Belgium are available on the website of the Commissioner General for Refugees and Stateless: http://www.cgrs.be/en/figures

From oldest to newest:

2009: 17.186 applications
2010: 19.941 applications
2011: 25.479 applications
2012: 21.463 applications
2013: 15.840 applications
2014: 17.213 applications

We have to wait for a 2015 total, but the monthly results can be consulted.
This article has a short English discussion of the first half year of 2015: http://brusselstimes.com/belgium/3964/asylum-over-12-000-applications-to-immigration-office-between-january-and-july:


Between January and July 31st, 2015, 12,033 people, including 684 unaccompanied under-18s, applied for asylum to the Immigration Service (Office des Etrangers), of which 8,768 were men and 3,365 women.

These figures speak volumes, according to the Immigration Service; indeed, for the entire year 2014, it recorded 17,213 asylum seekers (11,744 men and 5,469 women), including 486 unaccompanied under-18s. During the first six months of 2015, the five most represented nationalities among the applications were Iraqi, Syrian, Afghan, Somalian and Guinean, the first time that Somalia has appeared in the "top 5".

And the latest updates:


Another Austrian van find, just in time: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/refugee-children-critical-condition-austria-van_55e1fd3ee4b0aec9f353852c

And are these the same children that later on disappeared from the hospital?
3 Syrians disappear from Austrian hospital: http://www.ibtimes.com/syrian-refugees-missing-austrian-hospital-authorities-say-children-their-families-2074415

Zampano, here's bureaucracy Light, speeding things up a bit:

Refugees have to learn the language to find a job (http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/politiek/1.2428785) (A fair request, you will need language for living, but I read it with mixed feelings, making people believe they can actually find job if just they learn the language)

Australian Minister of Foreign Affairs has thé solution to stop the migrant stream: European countries should simply follow Australia's example and join the international coalition to bomb isis: http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20150831_01841603

Slovakian police free 59 refugees from 2 vans: http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20150830_01840567

[MorningSong]

Sérénité asked for some stats... and I found some:


Why is EU struggling with migrants and asylum?

28 August 2015

Some 2,500 migrants have drowned in the Mediterranean this year as overcrowded boats head for the coasts of Greece and Italy, the UN says.

The flow of desperate migrants from the Middle East and Africa hoping to reach Europe is already much higher than in the same period in 2014.

Recent trends show that thousands of people are attempting a perilous route through the Western Balkans with the ultimate destination in Germany and other northern EU countries.

Here are some of the key questions surrounding the crisis.

How many people are on the move?

More than 300,000 migrants have risked their lives trying to cross the Mediterranean to Europe so far this year, according to the UN. This compares with 219,000 for the whole of 2014.

Nearly 200,000 people have landed in Greece since January this year, while another 110,000 made it to Italy.

Most of those heading for Greece take the relatively short voyage from the Turkish mainland to the islands of Kos, Chios, Lesvos and Samos - often in flimsy rubber dinghies or small wooden boats.

The voyage from Libya to Italy is longer and more hazardous.

Some of the worse tragedies in 2015 include:

Two boats carrying about 500 migrants sinking after leaving Zuwara in Libya on 27 August
Bodies of 71 people, believed to be Syrian migrants, discovered in an abandoned lorry in Austria on 27 August
Shipwreck off Italy's Lampedusa island on 19 April took an estimated 800 lives
At least 300 migrants feared to have drowned after attempting to cross the Mediterranean in rough seas in early February

Survivors often report violence and abuse by people traffickers. Many migrants pay thousands of dollars each to the traffickers, and robbery of migrants is also common.

Chaos in Libya has given traffickers freedom to exploit migrants.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/120E5/production/_85075937_migrant_routes_numbers_v2.png

The EU's external border force, Frontex, monitors the different routes migrants use and how many people are arriving at Europe's borders.

It says some 340,000 migrants have been detected at the borders since the beginning of 2015.

That compares with 123,500 in the same period last year.

Where do they come from?

The largest migrant group by nationality in 2015 is Syrians, as people flee the country's brutal civil war.

Afghans and Eritreans come next. They are often also fleeing poverty and human rights abuses.

People from Nigeria and Kosovo also make up large groups. Poor, marginalised Roma account for many of the migrants from Kosovo.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/ABB5/production/_85075934_migrants_numbers__chart-01.png

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82353000/gif/_82353692_key_migration_routes_624.gif

In Italy new migrants from Eritrea form the biggest group, followed by those from Nigeria.

But in Greece migrants from Syria are the biggest group, then Afghans.
Where are they going next?

Germany, which receives by far the most asylum applications in the EU, is expecting 800,000 refugees to arrive this year.

Recent trends show that thousands of people are trying to travel to both Germany and other EU countries via Greece and the Western Balkans.

Some 3,000 people are expected to cross into Macedonia each day in the coming months, according to the UN.

Many then cross into Serbia, which says it has seen 90,000 migrants so far this year, and head for Hungary and the EU's passport-free Schengen zone.

In July alone, 34,000 migrants were detected trying to cross from Serbia into Hungary.

Faced with that influx, Hungary is building a 175km (110 mile) fence in a bid to stop migrants entering.

It has also urged EU partners not to send back migrants who have travelled on from Hungary.

The Dublin Regulation places responsibility for examining an asylum seeker's claim with the first EU country that the migrant reached.

Other countries are struggling with the influx of arrivals.

Austria says it is expecting 80,000 asylum applications this year.

Meanwhile thousands of migrants are camped around Calais in northern France. Many will risk their lives smuggling themselves across the Channel into the UK.

What are politicians doing about it?
........

PLease do go to the link to read the rest and have a look at the graphs.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24583286

[MorningSong]

The news here has been a-buzz with the UK's threat of blocking EU member-state immigration.... I have read that they are worried about an invasion of Eastern Europeaners when next year 4 new members will be added to the EU crown.

Several EU countries are also re-considering the Schengen Treaty:



Migrant crisis: 'Schengen border agreement could be suspended' - Germany

21 August 2015 Last updated at 12:25 BST

Germany's interior minister has said he could not rule out a suspension of the Schengen agreement.

Thomas de Maiziere told BBC News that it was time other European countries took more responsibility over the migrant crisis, adding Britain should take more refugees.

Germany expects up to 800,000 people to seek asylum this year alone - far more than anywhere else in the EU.

The minister was speaking to the BBC's Berlin Correspondent Jenny Hill.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34015197

[MorningSong]

I am very surprised that noone has posted anything else on this thread...

The Hungarian authorities have closed the central train station in Budapest due to the encampment of thousands of Syrians who were able to arrive there from Serbia/ Chec Republic and are wanting to continue their journey towards Germany who has projected accepting as many as 800,000 immigrants this year... these Syrians assume that they will be given refugee status once arrived in Germany...but they are blocked in Hungary, who refuses to transport them.

This morning the desperate refugees have stormed the station and have occupied a train.... unfortunately, the train is not going to leave the station and people, some with children are jam packed on this train...already suffering for heat exhaustion and thirst...

What the CRAP is going on???


Migrants storm Budapest’s main railway station

03/09 09:12 CET

http://static.euronews.com/articles/312791/606x340_312791.jpg?1441264369

http://www.euronews.com/2015/09/03/migrants-storm-budapest-s-main-railway-station/

From http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/migrant-boat-runs-around-off-rhodes-greece/


Hungarian government spokesman says those at Keleti station will go to refugee camps inside Hungary - @Stone_SkyNews
See original on twitter.com


Vienna, Vienna, Austria
2m
Vienna police chief says no plans to check arriving refugees, will let them continue their journey - @Reuters
End of alert


It appears that Hungary wants to keep the refugees....

In the meanwhile, another 700+ boatpeople have arrived in Italy....


Cagliari, arrivata in porto nave con 781 migranti
Pubblicato il: 03/09/2015 08:56

E’ arrivata a Cagliari qualche minuto dopo le 7 la nave norvegese Siem Pilot con a bordo 781 migranti salvati a largo delle coste libiche tra domenica e lunedì nelle operazioni di salvataggio coordinate dalla Guardia costiera italiana.

La nave con i migranti, dei quali 595 uomini, 175 donne e 11 bambini, che ha a bordo anche quattro cadaveri, è attraccata al Molo Rinascita dov’è stato allestito il punto di prima assistenza della Protezione civile regionale. Saranno effettuate le prime visite mediche e le identificazioni, poi i migranti saranno trasferiti nelle strutture di prima accoglienza nelle quattro province dell’isola.

http://www.adnkronos.com/fatti/cronaca/2015/09/03/cagliari-arrivata-porto-nave-con-migranti_PfORmpU9KvMckAdx5dXuOL.html

[Sophocles]

Here is a video of Swedens former Finance Minister, Anders Borg, at the Peterson Institute on april 23, 2012 (at 36:28 min):

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Sweden is now in absolute term the country that has most immigrants in Europe, in absolute terms we are receiving as many people as France, England and Germany and Sewden is around 10 million, and France and the UK and the others are 50, 60, 70 million. Basically the US is providing these flows for us. You make war and we get the refugees. The largest ethnic minority in Sweden now is the Iraqis.

[Selkie]

Here is a video of Swedens former Finance Minister, Anders Borg, at the Peterson Institute on april 23, 2012 (at 36:28 min):

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Sweden is now in absolute term the country that has most immigrants in Europe, in absolute terms we are receiving as many people as France, England and Germany and Sewden is around 10 million, and France and the UK and the others are 50, 60, 70 million. Basically the US is providing these flows for us. You make war and we get the refugees. The largest ethnic minority in Sweden now is the Iraqis.

I hope everyone realizes that the people of the United States have no more power to stop what our government is doing than the citizens of Germany have to stop their what their government is doing. It doesn't matter who we vote for, the agenda is the same. They would not allow anyone into power who does not support the agenda.

[Ted]

I hope everyone realizes that the people of the United States have no more power to stop what our government is doing than the citizens of Germany have to stop their what their government is doing. It doesn't matter who we vote for, the agenda is the same. They would not allow anyone into power who does not support the agenda.
The government doesn't even have any power to stop what's going on! The PTB are completely beyond control of anything short of a military coup.

[Sophocles]

Btw I think mr Borg became senior fellow at the Peterson Institute a couple of years later.

[Selkie]

I hope everyone realizes that the people of the United States have no more power to stop what our government is doing than the citizens of Germany have to stop their what their government is doing. It doesn't matter who we vote for, the agenda is the same. They would not allow anyone into power who does not support the agenda.
The government doesn't even have any power to stop what's going on! The PTB are completely beyond control of anything short of a military coup.

Sadly, I think you are correct.

Could that be why there is all the fear porn about martial law? Could it be that martial law is the only thing left to stop what ever is in the works?

[Ted]

Sadly, I think you are correct.

Could that be why there is all the fear porn about martial law? Could it be that martial law is the only thing left to stop what ever is in the works?The whole martial law thing is just a warning to anyone contemplating taking matters too far. The FEMA camps are just there to say:"We're ready and waiting for you if you openly try and defy us". They know enough people will eventually smell a rat and could become a problem.

[Bingo]

Apparently there has been a change of plans. Instead of Germany accepting US nukes pointed at Russia, they have agreed to join with Russia in fighting Isis. They are doing this to deal with the refugee crisis. This alliance throws a wet blanket on US plans in Syria and the plans to demonize Russia. If the fighting can be stopped, perhaps the flow of refugees will at least slow down. Because at this rate, over the next few years, all of Europe could be swamped. Aid for these people has to be handled another way, but I haven't seen any efforts to do that. But this new alliance is a very interesting development, and I would love to hear some opinions on it.

[Selkie]

Apparently there has been a change of plans. Instead of Germany accepting US nukes pointed at Russia, they have agreed to join with Russia in fighting Isis. They are doing this to deal with the refugee crisis. This alliance throws a wet blanket on US plans in Syria and the plans to demonize Russia. If the fighting can be stopped, perhaps the flow of refugees will at least slow down. Because at this rate, over the next few years, all of Europe could be swamped. Aid for these people has to be handled another way, but I haven't seen any efforts to do that. But this new alliance is a very interesting development, and I would love to hear some opinions on it.

Can you provide links to this story? It seems odd to me that the Chancellor of Germany would do a 180 degree turn like that, having said, not too long ago, that she has more-or-less committed Germany to accepting hundreds of thousands of refugee/immigrants. Not to mention that they are already in Europe.

[Sophocles]

Germany moves away from the US anti-Putin alliance and joins forces with Russia in coalition to defeat ISIS (http://www.sott.net/article/301791-Germany-moves-away-from-the-US-anti-Putin-alliance-and-joins-forces-with-Russia-in-coalition-to-defeat-ISIS)

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South Front
Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:31 UTC

In a surprise move Germany left the anti-Putin-alliance formed by the USA: Germany is now officially welcoming Moscow's readiness to act in Syria and is starting an initiative together with the Russians and the French to bring an end to the war. This is to stop the constant stream of refugees. Germany has ordered thousands of soldiers into readiness.

Germany surprisingly left the alliance formed together with the United States which intended to block Russia's entry into the Syrian conflict.

Minister of Defence Ursula von der Leyen told Der Spiegel that she welcomed president Putin's intentions of joining the fight against the extremist organization "Islamic State". It would be a matter of mutual interests, she said.

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It has been reported that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called into question the effectiveness of the US-led coalition against Islamic State (IS). According to PNP magazine he stated, that concerned colleagues from within the US-led coalition turned to him. They informed him that the US-military did not give clearances to their fighter pilots even though they clearly located and identified Islamic State positions.

Sott (http://www.sott.net/article/301791-Germany-moves-away-from-the-US-anti-Putin-alliance-and-joins-forces-with-Russia-in-coalition-to-defeat-ISIS)

[Selkie]

Germany moves away from the US anti-Putin alliance and joins forces with Russia in coalition to defeat ISIS (http://www.sott.net/article/301791-Germany-moves-away-from-the-US-anti-Putin-alliance-and-joins-forces-with-Russia-in-coalition-to-defeat-ISIS)

Excerpt


South Front
Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:31 UTC

In a surprise move Germany left the anti-Putin-alliance formed by the USA: Germany is now officially welcoming Moscow's readiness to act in Syria and is starting an initiative together with the Russians and the French to bring an end to the war. This is to stop the constant stream of refugees. Germany has ordered thousands of soldiers into readiness.

Germany surprisingly left the alliance formed together with the United States which intended to block Russia's entry into the Syrian conflict.

Minister of Defence Ursula von der Leyen told Der Spiegel that she welcomed president Putin's intentions of joining the fight against the extremist organization "Islamic State". It would be a matter of mutual interests, she said.

...

It has been reported that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called into question the effectiveness of the US-led coalition against Islamic State (IS). According to PNP magazine he stated, that concerned colleagues from within the US-led coalition turned to him. They informed him that the US-military did not give clearances to their fighter pilots even though they clearly located and identified Islamic State positions.

Sott (http://www.sott.net/article/301791-Germany-moves-away-from-the-US-anti-Putin-alliance-and-joins-forces-with-Russia-in-coalition-to-defeat-ISIS)

On the face of it, I think this is very good news. Time will tell if there is a deeper story.

[Sophocles]

Udo Ulfkotte, the German journalist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGqi-k213eE) who wrote the book «Bought Journalism» last year, talks about the refugee crisis on RT:


Our media and politicians always tell us profit is on the side of people smugglers especially... I`m always laughing when I hear that because the most profit is done by politicians, by the pharma industry, by big companies and of course by journalists too.

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Text from youtube:

Published on Sep 23, 2015

Germany is often the preferred destination of refugees seeking to settle in Europe. Renowned German journalist Udo Ulfkotte claims politicians are actually profitting from the ever-growing wave of asylum seekers. Ulfkotte is hiding his location - after allegedly receiving death threats. RT's Peter Oliver has more.

[Apophenia]

Many thanks to the posters in this thread for the information they have brought fourth with their insights on the matter.

While I can empathize with the true victims of the traffickers, I can't exactly see eye-to-eye on this being a scenario that requires Europe's collective love and open arms.

Aside from the facts that the 'refugees' are dying due to the fact they believe or are being led to believe they can easily find amnesty in Europe; that the open acceptance of them is encouraging them to make more risky and dangerous moves like this, and that not all of them are people who have dealt with hardship, but are using this as a means to gain an economic advantage over their peers by migrating to the West; there is evidence to show that somebody is using the present crisis to fuel tensions and possibly create civil unrest:

Gun smuggling disguised as 'aid':
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Just one of many examples I can find of 'war victims' getting in:
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Most of these are heading to Germany, Serbia, Austria, etc... not to the US or Russia, which people are ascribing blame for these conflicts.

There is also information floating around, which I unfortunately cannot recall, stating that the 800,000 heading to Germany are the official numbers, not the unofficial; which is estimated to be several million.

[transiten]

Yesterday Sweden erected passport inspection at the borders which includes both fugitifs and citizens. The biggest stream of fugitifs since WW2 will be an hour of destiny for the EU and Open Borders "Peace Project" which was not the incentive of course but TPTB wanting to erect a Super State with common currency, army, laws etc.

Would be interesting to know you Avalonians thoughts about this crisis from a "higher"/spiritual" perspective. Nostradamus predicted the increasing conflict between the Western and Muslim world around the year 2000 and onwards. Many are the pple in Europe voting for parties with roots in the Nazi movements; in Sweden nearing 20% while on the other hand volunteering and all kinds of ideas and projects are implemented to integrate fugitifs who have gone through immense hardships to come here. Many are well educated and Sweden need more doctors and nurses f.i. The waiting time for residence permit can now be up to 2 years which breaks pple down psycholocigally.

Out of living in poverty and discrimination the "Romes" from Romania are like any European allowed to move freely within the EU, hence they come here to try to find a job or beg for money. They can stay for 3 months but then have to return home. They have nowhere to stay and are camping outside the big cities and driven away while now heated tents are provided the fugitifs from war. This of course will be seen as a hughe injustice and this is the usual story going on; TBTB putting the weak groups up against eachother as to not lift their consciousness out of the fog realizing who's really running the show.

Here's from giovonnis recent post; the info about the refugee crisis in Sweden starts at 19.34. There's also voices from Germany and Denmark.

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Also when I was born I wasn't provided with a contract promising I would always live in a country where I would never have to experience hardships...

[Meggings]

Syrian Refugees - by Syrian artist Nizar Ali Badr depicting refugee crisis

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11226002_1639447692993712_8641005908096164527_n.jpg?oh=df767101bd937d7372461252cd270111&oe=56B6888E

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I had no idea things were this bad.

According to NaturalNews:

"Here's the wildly viral documentary being CENSORED everywhere across the web: Google, Youtube, Vimeo, etc.
WE GOT IT now on TV.NaturalNews.com (http://TV.NaturalNews.com). It's a video titled "With Open Gates - The forced collective suicide of European nations."
This video tells the truth about European refugees who are actually occupying militant forces waging war against Western culture.
Click here for the story and the video link (http://ce-public.naturalnews.com/ct.asp?id=A42E1A37F2B0BCC6DADDE010673B3A469C0ED6B4 AEC7D00B1344EDBAB4E7FA7EDCCE24C09E30854F67F82F9BE6 622F98&ct=4aeUs1kAAABCWmgzMUFZJlNZJP8rIgAAFp%2bAAAHmMAKAg ICv59%2bAIABIqaZD1PKaDQNim0hU9T9UD9Imhpo00GRUsJ4uE s3iG7nClNVhH6nMQmpKF5pUhe0JE1p1NoloJDH6uhkaaRQfKww euzUFRVyqlPxdyRThQkCT%2fKyI).
(Note, the video won't play in Firefox. Try a different browser...)"


With Open Gates - The forced collective suicide of European nations (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

[Wind]

thoughts about this crisis from a "higher"/spiritual" perspective

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[Ron Mauer Sr]

thoughts about this crisis from a "higher"/spiritual" perspective

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Balancing compassion with wisdom is a challenge for many. It certainly is a challenge for me.

It is easier to talk about compassion, in theory, when one is not in the middle of violence being done to family, to those you love.

Practical application of wise action, short term and long term solutions, is what needs discussion.

I wish we had the answers.

Wait ... there is one major development when fully manifest that will definitely help. When humans become so smart, so clever, so intuitive that manipulation and lies are no longer effective, we will have won.