Question about WikiLeaks

[Celine]

Ok...am i missing something?

How does the US goverment KNOW what they are going to leak??

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5grii3RHb-D4QHemnerLxMYPO_L6Q?docId=CNG.25177ec61aed2bd3050d3e2b8bda84d2.311

[bluestflame]

assuming of course that the network of hackers accessed files that they copied , the compromised servers having log files that monitor all all activity of files being accessed , assuming they'd backtrack unusual activity once the log files were noticed as leaving evidence of unusual activity , unusual amounts of downloading , bandwidth etc.

[Zook]

Good morning Celine, the Earth says hello!


Ok...am i missing something?
How does the US goverment KNOW what they are going to leak??
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5grii3RHb-D4QHemnerLxMYPO_L6Q?docId=CNG.25177ec61aed2bd3050d3e2b8bda84d2.311

That's the first clue that the Wikileaks story is controlled material. Genuine leaks do happen; but they are not discussed in establishment media beforehand. But you banged the nail properly; if the US government is warning some friendly nations about possible embarrassments, then it already knows the contents ( otherwise, how would it know which countries to alert ahead of time?). That then necessarily means that Wikileaks is a front organization. Always has been, I'm afraid. In much the same design as Al Jazeera, which is a front organization for the wealthy CIA-installed sheikdoms slash minionships of the central banking order. These paradoxical establishment pipes are fed anti-establishment airs to assuage the appetite of the anti-establishment masses (e.g. steam release to prevent the pressure cooker from blowing its lid); and to direct public attention away from more sinister and/or more immediate happenings.

Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

[Celine]

Yes that was my first thought..

but one would think they (ptb's) would be better at this game and not show their hand so readily...

[The One]

How to control anyone at anytime


This is how directed mind/media control is managed.

"The Hegelian Dialectic is a technique commonly used to bring about a desired result. It is a three step process as follows...

Thesis - A problem is intentionally created

Antithesis - Opposition to the problem is created

Synthesis - The desired result is brought in as a solution

[Malcolm Linus]

assuming of course that the network of hackers accessed files that they copied , the compromised servers having log files that monitor all all activity of files being accessed , assuming they'd backtrack unusual activity once the log files were noticed as leaving evidence of unusual activity , unusual amounts of downloading , bandwidth etc.

I completely agree with this. It would be no problem to find out what documents were copied, if they have found out how and when this hack happened. I am sure the source of the leaks has been identified and dealt with. Everything leaves a trace.

[JoshERTW]

They seem to be contacting "every" country that is an ally. My guess is that behind the scenes, the conversation between the State Dept (SD) and Various Foreign Diplomats (VFD) is going something like this:

SD: "Have you guys made any racist or unfavourable comments about your host countries in the last few years to anyone?"
VFD: "Have we ever! It was all internal though, no big right?"
SD: "Um... well... those Wikileaks guys might have some of those emails"
VFD: "Uh oh... you better call ____ over in _____, he sent me some jokes about those religious extremists over there."
SD: "Any comments about the leaders or government?"
VFD: "Well uh... yeah"
SD: "Sigh..."

[bluestflame]

it'll just be used to justify more security measures , with claims like the opposition now knows our procedural operations

[Celine]

so then the "sexual assault " charges and the "running for his life" is all for show?


Kinda pathetic.. and very see-thru IMO


Sad to see they still think of "us" as dumb...

[norman]

It's semi orchestrated mayhem that is designed to over inflate the "truth" bubble and turn the general population against the whole idea that we the people have a well founded "right" to know everything about what goes on. They can then say " SEE!.... this is how nuts it all gets when you have all these 'truthers' all over everything and disregarding well established protocol about how the handle sensitive data".

They can also throw into the mix a general funneling of the public perception of what "the truth" really is. Like, "oh well if there is a big fuss about this leak or that leak, these things must be the truth that those lying government people wouldn't have told us otherwise".

I'm still quite surprised by how many people even here on this forum seem to still see this issue as a case of "Hackers" from outside getting into places and spilling the beans to wikileaks who are some kind of great force for truth and our heros. I'm affraid I deffinately don't agree with that view at all. That's the con trick we are supposed to fall for hook line and sinker in our excitement that all these 'truths' are being leaked.

The PTB have got a massive PR problem that has got them on the back foot. I'm sure they would have blown the internet out of the sky by now if it wasn't also so vital to them. I'm sure they have had loud arguments among themselves about what to do about it. The fact is, the learning curve of 'truth' via the internet has out paced their event list. They surely have employed their boffins to come up with a fix.

I'm very convinced that the fix they have come up with is to make a giant leap from being the 'conservative' denyers of every rumor going to becoming the architects of 'disclosure' themselves. The 'truth' movement has become so accustomed to being the ones pulling on the strand of wool that their blind side is to the side of greater volumes of information that simply swamp the discernment processes they are so used to luxuriating in.

Basically, the PTB have decided to stack the chips up higher and swamp the information battlefield with information that was on it's way to the shredder and is really only about as interesting as paper pulp anyway. It's using their assets to their advantage. They have far more information than anyone else does. If they flood the world with a sanitised bulk of information that was previously hidden, it's great quantity and novely value will start information riots in which they can still mask and hide their real secrets but cause the maximum amount of hurt to the other side.

Remember their motto: "Order Out Of Chaos".

And also, don't forget that a vital piece of the endgame is to destroy national governments and national sovereignty.

[Zook]

Good morning Norman, the Earth says hello!


It's semi orchestrated mayhem that is designed to over inflate the "truth" bubble and turn the general population against the whole idea that we the people have a well founded "right" to know everything about what goes on. They can then say " SEE!.... this is how nuts it all gets when you have all these 'truthers' all over everything and disregarding well established protocol about how the handle sensitive data".
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Excellent observations!

If anyone thinks Wikileaks is genuine, here's a little tidbit about its purported founder, Julian Assange:
http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/10/whistleblower-julian-assange-911-was.html

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ps: One of the byproducts of 9/11/2001 ... is that those who stand against the facts of that tragic day ... can be immediately tossed into the dustbin of history (or its currency cousin, the dustbin of irrelevance). Because Julian Assange is current, he's better suited for the dustbin of irrelevance, IMO.

[Erin]

If anyone thinks Wikileaks is genuine, here's a little tidbit about its purported founder, Julian Assange:
http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/10/whistleblower-julian-assange-911-was.html

:typing:

ps: One of the byproducts of 9/11/2001 ... is that those who stand against the facts of that tragic day ... can be immediately tossed into the dustbin of history (or its currency cousin, the dustbin of irrelevance). Because Julian Assange is current, he's better suited for the dustbin of irrelevance, IMO.

I know there are probably a lot of people here, myself included, who used to deny the existence of a 9/11 conspiracy. I don't think he sees the big picture at the moment, but the more he digs, maybe he'll change his tune. I wouldn't rule him out just yet.

[norman]

Are Obama and Assange out of the same mold?

An almost cult status that gets blown into front of stage by similar mechanics to those evident when a team of battering rammers finally crash through the door that the giggling boffin behind it thought would be hillariously clever to just unbolt it at the right moment.

[Zook]

Hi Cosmiclagoon,


I know there are probably a lot of people here, myself included, who used to deny the existence of a 9/11 conspiracy. I don't think he sees the big picture at the moment, but the more he digs, maybe he'll change his tune. I wouldn't rule him out just yet.

Point taken. While it is true that many haven't woken up yet about 9/11/2001, most of these belong to the surface layer of reality. Of those who've gone beneath the surface to the second and third layers of reality, virtually all are privy to the major truths about 9/11/2001; of these, some choose to play along with the deception, and others choose the righteous path and factual exposition. The probability that Julian Assange - with his access to privileged information and disinformation - has not ventured beneath the top layer of reality is, IMHO, very small, e.g. epsilonic. But if he is in the second or third layer, then he definitely knows about 9/11/2001 and has chosen the path of deception over the path of truths. MO, OC.

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[Erin]

The probability that Julian Assange - with his access to privileged information and disinformation - has not ventured beneath the top layer of reality is, IMHO, very small, e.g. epsilonic. But if he is in the second or third layer, then he definitely knows about 9/11/2001 and has chosen the path of deception over the path of truths. MO, OC.


This is true, he has had some time to come upon this information. On the other hand, with the massive amounts of documents relating to the war, etc, that he's had to sift through, it's possible he's been preoccupied with the "surface layer of reality." Maybe this has been intentional on the part of certain individuals who wish to distract him? Who knows.

I think I'll give him some more time to figure it all out. If he doesn't end up doing so within the next year, however, I'll start having doubts as to what exactly his agenda is. Especially since FOX News of all places has been highlighting 9/11 conspiracy theories (I mean, come on).

[HURRITT ENYETO]

If Wikileaks is Government controlled front what a good way to intercept any information any REAL hackers has got hold of before it goes public. If Wikileaks was a genuine threat TPTB would eliminate it immediately IMHO.

[Malcolm Linus]

If Wikileaks is Government controlled front what a good way to intercept any information any REAL hackers has got hold of before it goes public. If Wikileaks was a genuine threat TPTB would eliminate it immediately IMHO.

I agree with your first sentence. As to the other, what infinite powers do you think they have over web sites? Project Camelot and Project Avalon, as well as numerous other sites that confront the establishment are still up and running. In my opinion, as long as the public eye is fixed on something, they can not just "remove" it. It would create an effect that would be worse for them.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I found it rather suspicious that something apparently 'blowing the cover' should get such mainstream exposure.

[Erin]

I agree with your first sentence. As to the other, what infinite powers do you think they have over web sites? Project Camelot and Project Avalon, as well as numerous other sites that confront the establishment are still up and running. In my opinion, as long as the public eye is fixed on something, they can not just "remove" it. It would create an effect that would be worse for them.

And speaking of the public eye, I'm all for people getting prompted to question their paradigm - which is something Wikileaks has the potential to do, by getting this much exposure. By getting their eyes opened to certain things by Wikileaks, certain individuals could be led to other places, like Project Camelot.

[ponda]

This might explain why the governments appear to already know what the WikiLeaks release might contain.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AN5HL20101124

Quote from the article:

Sources said three international news organizations which previously published stories based on classified U.S. government documents acquired by WikiLeaks -- the New York Times, Britain's Guardian newspaper and the German weekly news magazine Der Spiegel -- were given access the documents some time ago by Julian Assange, the Australian-born computer hacker who says he is WikiLeaks' founder and leader.

Two of the sources said Assange has also made the documents available to at least two other European publications -- the newspapers El Pais of Spain and Le Monde of France.

[Erin]

This might explain why the governments appear to already know what the WikiLeaks release might contain.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AN5HL20101124

Quote from the article:

Sources said three international news organizations which previously published stories based on classified U.S. government documents acquired by WikiLeaks -- the New York Times, Britain's Guardian newspaper and the German weekly news magazine Der Spiegel -- were given access the documents some time ago by Julian Assange, the Australian-born computer hacker who says he is WikiLeaks' founder and leader.

Two of the sources said Assange has also made the documents available to at least two other European publications -- the newspapers El Pais of Spain and Le Monde of France.

They did this for prior releases, too (the Iraq War logs, anyway). It was so the MSM could prepare pieces on the information so the public could get a gist of what they were all about, since most people don't have the time to sift through 400,000+ documents.

[ponda]

They did this for prior releases, too (the Iraq War logs, anyway). It was so the MSM could prepare pieces on the information so the public could get a gist of what they were all about, since most people don't have the time to sift through 400,000+ documents.

Yes cosmiclagoon but people are insinuating that Wiki is a ptb puppet show purely because the u.s. government appears to already know all about the upcoming info release.They probably already know because the info has been leaked to them by the newspapers etc and not because wiki is a front for the ptb.

[Erin]

Yes cosmiclagoon but people are insinuating that Wiki is a ptb puppet show purely because the u.s. government appears to already know all about the upcoming info release.They probably already know because the info has been leaked to them by the newspapers etc and not because wiki is a front for the ptb.

Exactly.

I mean, I guess I wouldn't be totally ~shocked~ if evidence came out that it is a PTB puppet show, but for the moment, given what I've gathered about it now, I feel like that's probably not what it is. That doesn't mean they can't be hijacked to serve that purpose, though.

[ponda]

Exactly.

I mean, I guess I wouldn't be totally ~shocked~ if evidence came out that it is a PTB puppet show, but for the moment, given what I've gathered about it now, I feel like that's probably not what it is. That doesn't mean they can't be hijacked to serve that purpose, though.

Yeah i agree with you.Anything is possible these days.

What happens after the release should be interesting.How the media handle it and what the reactions are.The Iraq and Afghanistan releases seemed to have faded from the spotlight fairly quickly with little or no repercussions for anyone as yet.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I agree with your first sentence. As to the other, what infinite powers do you think they have over web sites? Project Camelot and Project Avalon, as well as numerous other sites that confront the establishment are still up and running. In my opinion, as long as the public eye is fixed on something, they can not just "remove" it. It would create an effect that would be worse for them.

Yes but there is a BIG difference between doing interviews like Bill and Kerry and actually producing documents and classified material proof, I bet Bill would tell you himself thats a surefire way to get dead. With regard to what power do they have over websites, its amazing what a bullet in the head can do to stop the running of a website.

[Malcolm Linus]

Yes but there is a BIG difference between doing interviews like Bill and Kerry and actually producing documents and classified material proof, I bet Bill would tell you himself thats a surefire way to get dead. With regard to what power do they have over websites, its amazing what a bullet in the head can do to stop the running of a website.

Until I see evidence of this bullet in the head of truth speakers, I will continue to believe that the PTB don't have that much power anymore, especially regarding public information where the source is well-known. They fear the public eye, in my opinion.

[Celine]

I agree they are not as powerful as they used to be ...but that can make them even more dangerous, desperation leads to some pretty fanatical behavior...

http://www.publiceye.net/images/Eyeslil.jpg

[bluestflame]

like the legend of the old lion who knows his end is near , having nothing to lose

[Zook]

Good morning Ponda, the Earth says hello!


Yes cosmiclagoon but people are insinuating that Wiki is a ptb puppet show purely because the u.s. government appears to already know all about the upcoming info release.They probably already know because the info has been leaked to them by the newspapers etc and not because wiki is a front for the ptb.

'...leaked to them by the newspapers, etc...'

Assange leaks info/disinfo to newspapers (e.g. mainstream print media); the US government obtains this leaked info/disinfo from said newspapers (as if Canada or Israel, or get this, itself couldn't??) ... to wit, the US has garnered a method of manipulating the news without actually being held accountable for disseminating disinfo. How convenient.

Please study the model of Al Jazeera and try and understand how that CIA pipe was/is being used to shape the regional news according to western geopolitical interests. Wikileaks is the same model. But how can we be sure? Easy. Ask Julian Assange for his views on 9/11/2001. If his views smell half-baked; toss 'em back in the oven! IMO, Assange's views are establishment-grade. Given that, nothing independent and/or truly genuine can be expected from his pipes (either from his natural voicebox or his artificial one, Wikileaks).

But here's Assange according to another Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks

************ beginExcerpt ********************************
Arrest of Bradley Manning
Main article: Bradley Manning

A 22-year-old US Army intelligence analyst, PFC (formerly SPC) Bradley Manning, was arrested after alleged chat logs were turned in to the authorities by former hacker Adrian Lamo, in whom he had confided. Manning reportedly told Lamo he had leaked the "Collateral Murder" video, in addition to a video of the Granai airstrike and around 260,000 diplomatic cables, to WikiLeaks.[172][173] WikiLeaks said "allegations in Wired that we have been sent 260,000 classified US embassy cables are, as far as we can tell, incorrect."[174] WikiLeaks have said that they are unable as yet to confirm whether or not Manning was actually the source of the video, stating "we never collect personal information on our sources", but that they have nonetheless "taken steps to arrange for his protection and legal defence."[173][175] On 21 June Julian Assange told The Guardian that WikiLeaks had hired three US criminal lawyers to defend Manning but that they had not been given access to him.[176]

Manning reportedly wrote, "Everywhere there’s a U.S. post, there’s a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed."[177] According to the Washington Post, he also described the cables as "explaining how the first world exploits the third, in detail, from an internal perspective."[178]
*********************** end ******************************************************

There are many red flags in the article. You'll have to use a fine discerning lens. I added the above excerpt because it speaks to the risk faced by those trusting Wikileaks to be what Assange and his supporters claim it to be, rather than what it most certainly is. Again, all doubts should be removed when you consider Assange's dumbfounding - but eye-opening - claim that 9/11/2001 was a false conspiracy. Question begs, do you believe it was a false conspiracy? Or a real one?

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[ponda]

Zook

When the current batch of info is released we will be able to discern what it means a little more accurately until then it's all speculation.I don't believe that the establishment is behind wiki or controlling them but i could be wrong.Maybe it's just another conspiracy...

In regards to trusting wikileaks i have seen several recent news articles that said that wikileaks revealed peoples names in the recent Iraq and Afghan war documents releases BUT i seen an interview with Assange on the mainstream tv and when questioned about the release of the names he strongly denied it and said that wiki went through the info thoroughly and removed ALL of the names before they released the info.

As for 911...does ANYONE really know exactly what happened and who or what was really behind it ? If Assange said that he thought that it was a false conspiracy then i would ask him to define his meaning of a false conspiracy before jumping the gun and judging him.

[Celine]

this is reminding me of old vulcan theology (yes yes im a trekker) ...

IDIC

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination

[HURRITT ENYETO]

this is reminding me of old vulcan theology (yes yes im a trekker) ...

IDIC

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination

There's nothing wrong with that Celine *Blushes*

[norman]

......garnered a method of manipulating the news without actually being held accountable for disseminating disinfo. How convenient.......

:typing:

Precisely, and add to that the dynamic impact of quantity over quality.

[Chris411]

Julian Assange: 9/11 was not a conspiracy !!!!!

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212302-Wanted-by-the-CIA-The-man-who-keeps-no-secrets

About the man who thinks 9/11 was no conspiracy and that the Bilderberg Meeting participants are merely networking retired people looking for a complement of their pensions as Wal-Mart door greeters.
No time to waste anymore with the millions of "leaks" promoted by his website.


Julian Assange tells Matthew Bell why governments fear Wikileaks

There are not many journalists who, when you ask them if they are being followed by the CIA, say "We have surveillance events from time to time." Actually it's not a question I've ever asked before, and Julian Assange does not call himself a journalist.

But the answer is typical of this 41-year-old former computer-hacker: cryptic, dispassionate, and faintly self-important.

As the founder of Wikileaks - a website that publishes millions of documents, from military intelligence to internal company memos and has, in four years, exposed more secrets than many newspapers have in a century - Assange has become the pin-up of web-age investigative journalists. The US has wanted him for questioning since March, after he posed a video showing an American helicopter attack that left several Iraqi civilians and two Reuters journalists dead.

Understandably, he now avoids the US, and keeps his movements secret, though it's thought he operates out of Sweden and is spending time in Iceland, where a change in the law is creating a libel-free haven for journalists. But if the CIA spooks wanted him that badly, couldn't they have turned up, as a hundred adoring student journalists did, to hear him talk at the Centre for Investigative Journalism 10 days ago?

Perhaps it's just as well they didn't, as Assange is not a natural public speaker. He is more at home trawling data or decrypting the codes that mask it. His philosophy is that the more a government wants to keep something secret, the more reason to expose it.

No journalist could argue with his essential belief in shining a light on malpractice, but shouldn't governments be entitled to keep some secrets? "Sure," he says when we speak after his talk, "That doesn't mean we and other press organizations should suffer under coercion."

What if publishing a document would threaten national security? "This phrase is so abused. Dick Cheney justified torture with it. Give me an example." What about the movement of US troops? Would he publish a document that jeopardized their safety? "We'd have to think about it." So that's a yes? "It's not a yes. If that fit into our editorial criteria - which it might, if it was an extremely good movement - then we'd have to look at whether that needed a harm minimization procedure. We'd be totally happy to consider jeopardizing the initiation of a war, or the action of war. Absolutely."

He may speak like a robot, and have a politician's knack at ducking straight answers, but in the flesh he could be a forgotten member of Crowded House, all ripped jeans and crumpled jacket, his distinguished white hair framing a youthful face. His grungy look ties in with his outsider status: he has a deep-rooted mistrust of authority. It has been speculated this comes from a youthful brush with the family courts after he divorced the mother of his son, though little is really known about his early life.

His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? "I believe in facts about conspiracies," he says, choosing his words slowly. "Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there's enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news."

What about 9/11? "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." What about the Bilderberg conference? "That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes."

Assange likes to see Wikileaks as a neutral platform for distributing information, and fends off criticism by saying it always follows its openly stated policies. But no news organisation is free from personal input, as he reveals when talking of Bilderberg, a shadowy annual conference of the influential. "I understand the philosophical rationale for having Chatham House rules among people in power, but the corrupting nature, in the case of Bilderberg, probably outweighs the benefits. When powerful people meet together in secret, it tends to corrupt."

Spending time with Assange, it's hard not to start believing that dark forces are at work. According to him, everyone's emails are being read. For that reason, he encourages anyone planning to leak a document to post it the old fashioned way, to his PO Box. It's ironic that an organisation bent on blowing secrets is itself so secretive, but Wikileaks couldn't operate without reliable sources. Except that, amazingly, Wikileaks does not verify them. "We don't verify our sources, we verify the documents. As long as they are bona fide, it doesn't matter where they come from. We would rather not know."

After we talk, he is off to a safe house for the night and after that, who knows? He never stays in one place more than two nights. Is that because the CIA wants to kill him? "Is it in the CIA's interest to assassinate me? Maybe. But who would do it?" Isn't he brave to appear in public? "Courage is an intellectual mastery of fear," he says. "It's not that you don't have fear, you just manage your risks intelligently."

[ponda]

Here's another perspective of WikiLeaks.It says that Wiki is controlled by Israel and is trying to undermine the u.s government.


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218649-Gordon-Duff-Wikileaks-A-Touch-Of-Assange-and-the-Stench-of-AIPAC

[witchy1]

Ive been thinking out this, and I put this up as another alternative. Perhaps in the beginning ja had all the best intentions, then as we can only guess as to what has transpired since - maybe he did a deal with tptb in exchange for his life or of those nearest and dearest that if he gave up on 9/11 and agenda 21 and military spending and ET;s they would allow him certain privilages in creating an illusion of 'truth leaks'. Really what damage has been done - other than prove what we all thought - that we have a bunch of childish imbeciles running earth. He said this and then he said that, is really quite pathetic, and what about - oh they dont like those people, and oh I think they could be trouble, you'd better keep them in line!!!!! (I have only seen what little has come out at this time, and was hoping for disclosure of ANY form) Like we dont know all this goes on. Having said that it might be good for those with blinkers on.
A storm in a teacup to be honest and probably a diversion of some sorts. Eyes wide open. Odds on the govt has passed a couple of new laws by tomorrow. Any takers
Pftttt
PS - He might just turn up trumps to.

[RedeZra]

Here's another perspective of WikiLeaks.It says that Wiki is controlled by Israel and is trying to undermine the u.s government.


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218649-Gordon-Duff-Wikileaks-A-Touch-Of-Assange-and-the-Stench-of-AIPAC

tnx for the link

Gordon Duff is a Vietnam veteran and an Editor at 'Veterans Today'

he has written some interesting articles about the AIPAC Agenda (Israel's lobby)

[Kulapops]

All the same.. this is an interesting story to follow. I was reading also that wikileaks can guarantee anonymity to any source because their servers carry no records, which means whistleblowers can feel free to post.

I do however wonder about three things :

1) Governments are either good at keeping secrets, or they're not. This didn't come out of the blue, the American govt tried to 'stop' the leak. If you can't stop something of this magnitude happening, it's either cause you want it, or you're cr*p at your job. Now if the us govt was cr*p at its job, we'd have a lot more info floating around on everything that we do. (So yes, Zook.. my first thought was perhaps this is intentional.. and why MSM so involved? They don't carry Jones, Icke, Camelot et al...). So if it's intentional, what's really going on just now??

2) Like the UFO problem. Got a decent picture ? Must be fake . No? The decent picture is actually a real UFO? Wow... looks too good, no one would ever believe it. that's why grainy pics, and half lit blobs fare so much better on the UFO circuit , than the pixel perfect photoshopped ones. Hey, that vid could be real.. and get lost in the noise. Even if this stuff were true... no one will believe it or take notice.. or it can get dismissed easily

Did I say three ? See, you can't trust anyone to tell the truth....

[morguana]

who knows kula, but what ever the intention or truth behind it one think for sure is the backlash from the middle east is not going to be some little blip :(
m

[rhythm]

plot counter plot
double spies
tangled webs
mad mind at
work big time
god not at home

[Kulapops]

Yes, M quite... there will be political fall out .. and I for one can't wait to hear what Prince Andrew is supposed to have said... not to mention find out who the 'Hound Dog' MP is !

Like the MP's expenses thing... whatever that was.. ultimately I think it was good that it happened. People in the mainstream are getting expectant to have this type of news and secrets shared...

[yaksuit]

it'll just be used to justify more security measures , with claims like the opposition now knows our procedural operations

exactly!
maybe the internet was only made available to the public by the "military" etc when the "vibe" of "western society" was numbed enough to except "hyper
reality" (chaos) as part of technological and "human" progress etc.
i like pressing these """"""""" today :)

[astrid]

http://www.ted.com/talks/julian_assange_why_the_world_needs_wikileaks.html

i was watching this TED talk with JA , and i started wondering, if he never knows who is sources are, how can he be so sure Wkileaks is not being used to spread disinfo. Or to set of further conflicts between nations, its not implausible that things could be planted , if the sources arent known or fully researched.....

[The One]

Maybe this maybe that

It's still a cat and mouse game

Our perception will change with our choice of attitude

[ponda]

Well things are certainly starting to get very interesting indeed.It sure is fun to watch the politicians squirm.

I was just reading through the bbc's "have your say" section on their website.The topic is "Is Wikileaks right to release secret documents?" and it appears that almost every single person agreed that WikiLeaks has the right to release the documents etc most of the respondents sound like they have had enough of our "governments" etc.Are the masses awakening ?

link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/11/is_the_wikileaks_right_to_rele.html

[The One]

I have just sent this email to congressman Peter King i will let you know if i get a response


New York Republican Peter King said the organisation was a "clear and present danger" to the US.

"WikiLeaks presents a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States," he said.

"I strongly urge you (Secretary of State Hillary Clinton) to work within the Administration to use every offensive capability of the US Government to prevent further damaging releases by WikiLeaks."

This is what i said

Maybe you should have been more careful when Hillary wanted everbody spied upon.Then you have the cheek to ask her to use every offensive capability of the US Government to prevent further damaging releases by WikiLeaks

This goes to show how you the Americans can’t take the blame. You have to blame everything on National Security it’s a joke. What gives you the right to do what you have done I for one am so glad this information is in the public it goes to show what we have known all along that your government think they can do what they want.

God help us if the UFO cover-up becomes the next thing, now that’s the biggest cover-up in human history and once again your country is so complicit in the cover-up. You truly only have yourself to blame but hey use the excuse you always use National Security.

Shame on you.

[Banshee]

Exactly.

I mean, I guess I wouldn't be totally ~shocked~ if evidence came out that it is a PTB puppet show, but for the moment, given what I've gathered about it now, I feel like that's probably not what it is. That doesn't mean they can't be hijacked to serve that purpose, though.

agreed. i think. why would hillary clinton want her dna gathering exercise exposed? can anyone think of a reason they would want that leaked?

[Celine]

because we were going to find out anyways...


And they like to call all the shots..

game-board has changed and they are backpedaling..

[Banshee]

but aren't these UN envoys ptb as well?

[EsmaEverheart]

Ok, I am going to put myself out there now.

I knew Bradley Manning when he was a kid. He may have been responsible for the first WikiLeaks. I don't know for sure. But I don't think he is responsible for this last round of leaks. I think from now on that he is going to be the Scapegoat for any leaks. By the way, I haven't seen Bradley since he was about 13.

[Zook]

Good morning Banshee, the Earth says hello!


but aren't these UN envoys ptb as well?

The United Nations is the creation of TPTB. The Hegelian dialectic of Problem-Reaction-Solution has been used no less than three times in an attempt to bring about one world government, an imperialist regime designed for direct control by the central banking BastardsTB. In the antebellum of WWI, the banksters created the problem by squeezing Germany; Germany reacted with WWI (here, understand that the banksters controlled Germany as well and that the assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand was in all probabilities a false flag event; remember the Rothschilds had a brother and banking house in each of the major economic powers of Europe ... but that's for another thread); the banksters than proposed the solution, e.g. The League of Nations. Round two of the Hegelian dialectic saw the rise of Hitler (a PTB sockpuppet); The Allied response; and the creation of the United Nations. Round three has seen the spectre of sockpuppet terrorism (problem); sockpuppet War Against Terrorism (reaction); and sockpuppet proposals and stepwise implementations of Novus Ordo Mundi (solution).

To wit, the United Nations is the second solution ... the New World Order is the proposed third and final solution. Both engineered by TPTWere and TBastardsTB.

:typing:

[Kulapops]

can I just add, Zook, that I love it when people use bold and italic for a refreshing turn of voice and expression.

RATHER THAN REVERTING TO CAPITALS TO GET A POINT ACROSS. Which always seems like shouting to me.

Nice short posts with something to say... (I know I'm guilty of long ones too, but I do try at least to have paragraph breaks - go on, you know it makes sense ! ;) )

So just want to say thanks for this.

I personally believe I can't believe anything I read anymore, unless it's about someone.. their own truth, and it's coming from their heart.

My love of Avalon is a love of people. The info/disinfo is mildly entertaining, but can be emotionally bereft.

That said, Wikileaks has some meat on the bone, but of course.. as we know the old problem=reaction=solution trick... it could just be that as well.

It's a new century and there are new ways of going to war... even on your own people.

[Angelo]

Hello everyone,

To add what I feel is a bit of perspective to this discussion, which I've perused lightly, I've provided a link to my blog post called 'Witnessing' (http://www.harvestdream.org/index.php?/archives/1292-Witnessing.html) which includes an internal link to a short summary I wrote called 'My Perception of Julian Assange' (http://www.harvestdream.org/index.php?/archives/1173-My-Perception-of-Julian-Assange.html). These posts touch on subjects that may prove somewhat enlightening to those here who are struggling with what Wikileaks is, and why it exists.

Cheers,

Angelo

[Rocky_Shorz]

it isn't what was released, but what wasn't that is very telling of the source...

anyone read the release of all the diplomatic wires with Israel?

don't bother looking... ;)

[Heartsong]

The wilileaks have been published. The United States seems to be (according to main stream media) embarrassed and apologizing for the leaking of the information but not for the actions that are revealed in the leaks. It's like "I'm not sorry for what we did, I'm just sorry that you found out about it."

[Banshee]

..................................

[norman]

I wonder how many members and readers here have had much experience of farming animals. I don't, right now, want to get into a debate about the rights and wrongs abour farming animals, I just want to remind those who do and illustrate better to those who don't, that there are some very basic and simple forms of interaction with farm animals that are very relevant to this situation around wikileaks and the frenzy of oooohs and aaaahs at each 'discovery' of another tid bit.

If you have ever scattered the contents of a bag or two of winter feed onto frozen ground for the animals to eat and observed their behaviour and 'felt' the manipulative power it gave you, you will not easily forget it and quite likely you will be reminded of it from time to time when situations arise regarding the general human population and it's 'masters'.

[Banshee]

Good morning Banshee, the Earth says hello!

The United Nations is the creation of TPTB.

Good Morning Zookumar! I wish it could great me at 70 degrees instead of 30 (the earth):)

One of the things that I have had great difficulty discerning is where the "innocents " end and the PTB begins ( is there an organizational chart? - lol). I am sure it is as grey as any other subject, but I am hearing you say that the UN delegates are not PTB but merely puppets for the Illuminati?

[Banshee]

I wonder how many members and readers here have had much experience of farming animals. ....

.......If you have ever scattered the contents of a bag or two of winter feed onto frozen ground for the animals to eat and observed their behaviour and 'felt' the manipulative power it gave you, you will not easily forget it and quite likely you will be reminded of it from time to time when situations arise regarding the general human population and it's 'masters'.

Witchy1 posted a video that actually touched on your observation (or at least that was my interpretation of it at minute 32)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8626-What-makes-us-Human&p=74518#post74518

And yes, I think most of us probably do feel like "beholding" farm animals from time to time. " Revoluuuuuuuuuution" :)

[Kulapops]

it isn't what was released, but what wasn't that is very telling of the source...

anyone read the release of all the diplomatic wires with Israel?

don't bother looking... ;)

yep... at the risk of sounding one sided , I didn't comment on this.. but I did think.. 'gee.. if Israel really is behind all the dastardly secrets in the world, like some claim - then now would be a perfect time to see evidence of that.

Arabia asking for bombs on Iran ? What about the ones from Israel ? There must be tons, surely ?! :)

So if there are none, well isn't that slightly, you know, suspicious ?

Or they've got it all wrong about Israel pulling the US's strings.. and the anti-zionist lobby just need to get out a bit more and chill....

[DawgBone]

Governmental secrecy is an invitation to abuse. I'm in total support of the Wikileaks efforts.

There are probably areas where secrecy is necessary, but there should be strict limits. Politicians and governmental institutions must be accountable, and secrecy makes this impossible.

But then we may be well beyond political reform; I'm afraid we are. And no, violent revolution rarely changes things. You just get a new set of masters, a new elite.

We need deus ex machina. I personally don't think the ETs are going to supply that. We must do it for ourselves: a worldwide change in consciousness, a Spiritual Renaissance.

How do we do that?

[Banshee]

...............................

[norman]

It's a Bankruptcy sale in slow motion.

The opening Lot No1 is a Wiki blusher set.

:mmph:

[Banshee]

We need deus ex machina. How do we do that?

Perhaps a dei ex machina. We have to stop thinking in terms of top down and start applying responsibility( in lieu of governance) laterally and recognizing that this world and all in it are multifarious and so should be our solutions. Its not a one solution problem, no magic pill.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


It's a Bankruptcy sale in slow motion.

The opening Lot No1 is a Wiki blusher set.

:mmph:

(moral bankruptcy);)

[Peace of Mind]

I saw this in todays paper. I like the newspapers but I don't trust them. They give me a little insight on what they are attempting to brain wash the masses with. I enjoy reading between the lines to see how crafty they are getting with the propaganda. While others may like it for the cross word puzzles and the comics, exposure is part of the reward I get from the daily read....
Judging from the content and the obstinate ways of promoting war...I have this hunch Wikileaks is now under TPTB control.

Peace

[morguana]

I wonder if there is anyone on this planet that can really know what's going on, there are too many cooks in the kitchen each trying to make different food. Seems to me that this kitchen (earth) doesn't have a head chief at all, just a free for all power struggle over who has what. Shame they have never heard of cooperative cooking, may actually get somewhere :)
Games within games, such a waste of energy, imagine the wonderful things that could be done if all this energy was focused for the good of all?
m

[Angelo]

Is anyone here familiar with strategy?

Would/could Wikileaks have a sustained strategy in action? An evolving set of goals?

Would/could there be a specific order that would most enable this set of strategies to eventual completion?

As a strategist, would you broadcast your strategy to everyone (see critics here) so that your enemy may better thwart your plans?

Many of the self enlightened may not see the necessity of it all, the struggle for power, though the laws of nature apply, and they always will in this world, thus, is it wrong to use strategy as a means of social evolution?

[ponda]

A lot of the focus here seems to be turning to whether Wiki is contolled or not and by who rather than what the leaks mean.It's starting to remind me a bit of 911 and all of the different conspiracies that still surround it.Was the government behind it,was it the black ops,was it the shadow government,was it the cia and mossad,was it the greys,was it the reptillians,was it all of the above or a combination or none of the above.

Now we have claims that wiki are controlled by the governments,the military,the israeli's etc.I'm waiting for someone to claim that Al Qaeda is behind them next and that Julian Assange is Osama Bin Laden's 2nd cousin.

If wiki is controlled by the ptb then the ptb are doing one heck of a job playing along with the whole charade judging by their statements to the media.I'm thankful that people are brave enough to take big risks and get this information out into the mainstream and give folks a chance to discern it for themselves.

[Angelo]

The world is already on the verge of greater war without the help of Wikileaks.

The world was already in war before Wikileaks.

The newspapers may use anything at all to justify war, this gives no cause to conclude anything.

[Hughe]

I wonder if there is anyone on this planet that can really know what's going on, there are too many cooks in the kitchen each trying to make different food. Seems to me that this kitchen (earth) doesn't have a head chief at all, just a free for all power struggle over who has what. Shame they have never heard of cooperative cooking, may actually get somewhere :)
Games within games, such a waste of energy, imagine the wonderful things that could be done if all this energy was focused for the good of all?
m

One thing I'm for sure is the EU will be completely dismantled. The EU has been the symbol of globalization for a decade.
When you look at previous major predictions till 2010, the World War III did not occur, global pandemic has failed so far.
The global warming scheme failed. too.
I know we changed the path of predicted nightmarish time line somehow.
The question is direction of the manifestation power of collective mind of human race.

I want to see the destruction of the IMF, UN, and WHO soon.

[norman]

[QUOTE=ponda;74709]

.....If wiki is controlled by the ptb then the ptb are doing one heck of a job playing along with the whole charade judging by their statements to the media.......

[QUOTE]

The people who are 'playing along with it' are not really the PTB, they're the Government beurocrats and elected set who generally represent national governments who are themselves in a gradual process of being undercut by the globalisation agenda beyond their domains. Actually it's the structures they belong to that are being undercut, many of the people themselves may well morph their careers eventually to be minions of the New World Order. I could probably think of a few of them who are already functioning as sabateurs within those national government structures.

Whoever Julian Assang really is doesn't much matter. I find it very alarming that this latest leak was heavily trailed and choreographed with the press getting their cherry previews and everything so PR savy. Sure, the fingered characters in some of the released data are flapping a bit, and I'm sure the flapping is basically genuine. I'm not accusing them of acting or playing along. I'm just suggesting that the overall scenario is orchestrated at the very highest level the way those people tend to do everything they do. The less the participants know what's going on the more realistic everything looks and so the more it works as a Machiavellian scam.

If it's a false flag terror event they tend to use a lot of 'training' scenarios to get all their ducks in a row and then suddenly switch the voltage on and go live and later 'eliminate' the people who could be damaging to them in a witness box.

In a scenario like flooding the world with a big feed trough full of stuff to get our snouts into and make as much destabilizing noise as possible and fixate our distrust of our 'leaders' on a lot of governmental dirty laundry it's more of a new idea that they're playing out in synch with their financial takedown of the governments one after the other.

This looks to me like they are moving into the final endgame of ramming the New World Order down our throats and what upsets ME right now, and why I'm ranting and raving about it so much, is that they've even got the people fooled into tearing down the national structures for them ( which was obviously how they were going to do it all along ). When we are all dazed and confused by all that's happened, just a little further down the road, the New World Order will lock into place like a prison cell door and people will be so gobsmacked by what happens next.

[ponda]

norman

In my honest opinion it's all an elaborate game that is being played out on many different levels of consciousness.

The old power structures or the system are slowly crumbling before our very eyes.It is being made plain for all to see that "the system" is unsustainable,unequal,unenlightened etc etc.Yeah they will probably try to enforce some type of negatively controlled nwo at some desperate stage but in all honesty i suspect that it will fail.

The people who are deepest inside the system will most likely be the last to wake up.

The more that people become aware of what is really going on in the world then the more i suspect that things will naturally change into a more balanced state.The old ways aren't working anymore and are fading away and it is becoming increasingly obvious to all and sundry that change is needed.

We are very lucky to be around to witness all of this.

[shybastid]

If you don't think that Hillary is happy about this ,think again. Shows her "vulnerability," her ability to manipulate,and the U.S. as weak under Obama. Gives her the upper hand in 2012 to endorse her new puppet. She DID get caught asking for personal information including DNA and Credit Card Information from staff at embassies on the respective countries they're in the Wiki's.
But don't forget,part of the embassy's jobs are to secure diplomatic relationships including commerce in the countries.
COMMERCE.. That's fair business trade. For who is always the question. Umm ? What else are embassy's job?
She's STILL having a field day amassing new wealth for her family.
Everytime I saw Bush Senior or Jr. on a plea for help for humanity with Bill Clinton, I would just shake my head in disbelief how manipulated we are...
Hillary has baited the World..Condoleza before her.. Same group.. So we get some minor confirmed facts from Wiki.. GET HIM!! GET THAT DOODE! (Owner of Wiki) Instead of Caves,THIS traiter(yes,Osama worked for U.S. during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Russia LOVES we're there fighting instead of them..it's THEIR Vietnam) lives from Apartment to Apartment. FIND HIM!
http://www.infowars.com/fidel-castro-osama-bin-laden-cia.
There's better souces then Alex Jones, but at least he got THIS conspiracy correct. I've read other reports from other sites that are no longer up.
My point?
I'm frustrated that our government will go to no end to get the NWO in place at the cost of any individual, in any country. Humanitarian efforts seem so small compared to the bigger effort of these control freaks. i'm deeply saddened,frustrated and pissed that WE see this crap coming..
and the rest of the world is still "hoping for change.'
Aliens ain't gonna save us. Legal or Illegale. Up there.. or OVER there on this planet. We better start watching and listening to advice on this site.
All I'm sayin. I'll take my chances and read this with the alternative interpretations, then ignore the whole here.
Too much good info here to ignore.

[bluestflame]

pretty likely they are only letting out stuff many already know or suspect anyway , it's the revelations of new things that were not already known that would pique my interest

though it could be that they have been sewing seeds through disinfo for a while now through the internet and other media sources and now have picked the best compilation of stories to suit thier agenda

ie , what they want the public to believe

as they say , there's no such thing as bad publicity , it's all about how your steer it

[Banshee]

Democracy Now is my favorite television medium for real news. Amy Goodman did a fantastic job reporting the Wikileaks data du jour. The program is embedded on the first page of the link. At 25 minutes, she interviews Carne Ross. Pay attention to his responses. I suspect that he is an Agent. I could be completely wrong, but that was a first impression.

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/29/us_facing_global_diplomatic_crisis_following

[angel in disguise]

Wikileaks "Cablegate" Psychological Operation Justifies Zionist War Propaganda

http://www.roguegovernment.com/Wikileaks_%22Cablegate%22_Psychological_Operation_Justifies_Zionist_War_Propaganda/23848/0/13/13/Y/M.html

[Banshee]

One thing I'm for sure is the EU will be completely dismantled. The EU has been the symbol of globalization for a decade.
When you look at previous major predictions till 2010, the World War III did not occur, global pandemic has failed so far.
The global warming scheme failed. too.
I know we changed the path of predicted nightmarish time line somehow.
The question is direction of the manifestation power of collective mind of human race.

I want to see the destruction of the IMF, UN, and WHO soon.

And along with that dismantling of the EU, the US needs to disassemble and be what it was intended to be - the United States of America with decentralized power and stronger states rights. It would be better, if the country could be divided into four separate nations ultimately. But what to do about China?

[RedeZra]

But what to do about China?

don't worry

China is balanced between Russia and India

---

Wikileaks would probably serve several schemes like...


venting public frustration

manipulating public opinion

---

whatever you've been told

TPTB does Not want a Revolution

[ponda]

Next WikiLeaks could take down a bank or two...


http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/next-wikileaks-could-take-down-a-bank-or-two-20101130-18emh.html

[Operator]

How does the US goverment KNOW what they are going to leak??


Yesterday, I saw dutch news via internet (haven't done that for months) ...
There was news about Wikileaks .... and I must say it was VERY clear to me that all of this is just planted disinfo to keep us busy.

They have made several attempts to convince people that this is real:
1. Hillary Clinton made a statement that these leaks are damaging and dangerous (if an official says that then it must be true :mmph:)
2. They showed the cave from where Wikileaks operates and a lot of expensive servers
3. The source of all this stuff is a 22 year old
4. Julian Assange was on a 'secret' location commenting on the release
5. What a coincidence, several Arab nations asked the US for help to decapitate the snakes head being Iran (finally support for Israel's ideas :frusty:)

However they said that most of it were 'diplomatic' cables and that this kind of content could be expected in 'diplomacy'.
I guess it's ok to slander other people and deceive in diplomacy. But perhaps Hillary's 'danger' was just to underline the
importance of this and we 'should' look at this ...

And if the location of Wikileaks is known, couldn't they really be stopped ? Where is the money coming from to operate from such
an expensive location. And where are all these expensive servers coming from ? Why would you need servers anyway ?
Just to convince the masses this is 'real' ...

The 22 year old was not even confronted with officially charges I understood. Besides how would it be possible that he solely would be
able to see almost every diplomatic cable on any location in the world.

If they wanted to stop Julian Assange they could have done that long time ago ... there is no such thing as a 'secret' location
for the faction we're dealing with here.

And finally they even gave away the agenda behind this all: Iran.

For me it's clear ... I'm not going to waste more energy on this: planted propaganda

[Zook]

Good morning fellow Avalonians, the Earth says hello!

In times of war, the first casualty is the truth ... whether it be a just or unjust war, physical or informational war, defensive or offensive war. The second casualty is the fool.


My advice: try not to be fooled. Your very future on this planet depends on the seriousness of your attempt.

:typing:

[JoshERTW]

I think the important thing to look at here might be the cables they are not talking about - I'm not really confident in my own ability to form an opinion on this material yet, I'd rather wait until it has ALL been released in full, and I can actually read the full text of the cables themselves. When that will be who knows, but I'm not just going to trust the media - MSM or Alternative - on this one. I'd rather disseminate the information myself than let someone else do it for me.

[Zook]

Good morning Angel, the Earth says hello!


Wikileaks "Cablegate" Psychological Operation Justifies Zionist War Propaganda
http://www.roguegovernment.com/Wikileaks_%22Cablegate%22_Psychological_Operation_Justifies_Zionist_War_Propaganda/23848/0/13/13/Y/M.html

Thank you for this find! I was going to write up a whole piece on Julian Assange and the Wikileaks scam ... but your provided URL summarizes things nicely!

Whether it has ever been genuine is debatable, but with George Soros backing Wikileaks and Julian Assange's claims of 9/11/2001 false conspiracy ... there can be no doubt nada, zip, zilch, and zero to the Nth degree! - that Wikileaks is a front organization for TCriminalBastardsTB.


:typing:

[shiva777]

http://rense.com/general92/wik.htm

Wikileaks * The Tel Aviv Connection
By Jeff Gates
11-30-10

What is Tel Aviv to do now that it's known Israelis and pro-Israelis 'fixed' the intelligence that induced the U.S. to war in Iraq?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Con me consistently for six decades and the relationship is over, as is Israel's credibility as a legitimate nation state.

Tel Aviv knows this. But what can the Zionist state do about it? Answer: Wikileaks.

Why now? Misdirection. Shine the spotlight on Washington to take it off Tel Aviv. That's good old-fashioned psy-ops. And challenge the credibility of the U.S. That's Wikileaks.

Any credible forensics would start by asking: to whose benefit? Then look to means, motive and opportunity plus the presence of stable nation-state intelligence inside the U.S.

Other than Israel, who else is a credible candidate? Notice how quickly Israel's role in the peace process vanished from the news. Now it's Iran, Iran and more Iran. To whose benefit?

Tel Aviv knows that the phony intelligence on Iraq leads to those skilled at waging war "by way of deception"-the motto of the Israeli Mossad. Wikileaks are noteworthy for what's missing: the absence of any material damaging to Israeli goals.

But still Tel Aviv faces an unprecedented peril: transparency. Americans know they were duped. And Israel rightly fears that Americans will soon realize by whom.

Tepid Support will not Suffice


cont'd...

[Peace of Mind]

The last time I’ve heard about wikileaks in the main stream the owner of the site was on the run for his life (supposedly). Some of us know DARPA created the internet, and they’re doing a great job of using it to idle the masses. They can shut this thing down with a snap of the fingers, if they wish. But they won’t because they can use it to manipulate the populace. As long as you keep the masses guessing with floods of info, and keep them in proximity of their frequency machines/thought altering machines (TV’s, Radio’s, Computers, Cell phones, etc) they (the people) will never get anything of significance done…I hardly see anything on the net change society for the better…however, I do see a Stag-Nation slowly manifesting itself. Anything that haves war, or these claims of secret doc’s about these wars is a sham, imho.

War is corporation driven; it has nothing to do with justice for people.
Most of us already know what these wars are about and they have nothing to do with “Terrorism”... that’s the obvious give away. Terrorism is a fraud…unless you’re claiming the CIA is the true terrorists. If people keep giving in to this fraud, their real freedom will continue to be taken away. Home land security is a con, and the ruling hand is using this BS to aid in their plans to take the net from you too (giving control to them willingly). I think some people in this world are already use to being locked behind closed doors.

I don’t mind whistleblowers (actually I respect them), but if they can’t provide any substantial evidence of their claims and/or deeds, they need to keep quite until they develop some tactics and a heart to aid them in their mission. With all the illogical and unproven stuff being tossed around, it’s becoming clear to me that this is just another method to TPTB madness. Their prime objective is to stop people from being pro-active, that’s their strategy.

I, along with others have been slowly forming a few militias, these people have influences in many fields. When the crap starts to really hit the fan I’m sure we will probably be one, or the most prepared to help, protect and rebuild the world we all dream and talk about…I can only urge others to do the same, before its too late…because you will have no one to blame by then. And, if you do…you had better been prepared to deal with it. You either walk the walk, or talk the talk. We know there’s issues that need to be dealt with, I know most people are scared and in denial, But, I’ll rather die then live in fear or under corrupt authority. I don’t buy any of this Wiki stuff, its propaganda to the fullest. We already know what needs to be done; the focus should be on making it happen. Create the future you want instead of letting bits and pieces like this Wiki stuff create it for you…

from the heart...as always

Peace

[LeeEllisMusic]

There is an interesting take on all this at What Really Happened dot com.
Behind the transparency discussion, what disinfo is in the "leaks" that TPTB want us to swallow?
Links within the article can be found at:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/comidwiki.php


THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO WIKILEAKS LATEST DOCUMENT DUMP
by Michael Rivero


Wikileaks, following much media fanfare (reason for suspicion right there) has just released a huge number of documents supposedly leaked to WikiLeaks and no other websites'. The media is denouncing this as a threat to the United States while US politicians wring their hands and wonder when they will be free of the curse of the First Amendment and all that troublesome nonsense about Freedom of Speech. Many observers think this is a propaganda set up and that neither Julian Assange or WikiLaeks should be taken at face value. After all, Julian Assange keeps insisting there was no 9-11 conspiracy and the 9-11 truth movement a "distraction." Apparently Julian Assange has patented conspiracy and nobody else may expose one except himself!

Of course, there is really not that much that is new in this latest dump. Like prior WikiLeaks dumps, most of it is old news mixed with some rather dubious claims. In his last such dump, Julian Assange included a claim that Osama bin Laden is still alive and controlling Al Qaeda. Of course, it is well documented outside the United States that Osama bin Laden has been dead for many years and that Al Qaeda itself is a fake front group created to hoax Americans into endless wars of conquest, much as the fictional Emmanuel Goldstein was used in George Orwell's "1984."

In yet another infamous propaganda attempt, WikiLeaks tried to claim that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, justifying the invasion. No such weapons were ever found.

As for the present batch of documents, again it is a rehash of stories already known to the blog-o-sphere. Even those people who did not know US diplomats spy on their United Nations counterparts did not find it surprising or in any way a new idea.

So what is the real purpose of Assange's little charade? Propaganda.

Propaganda is like rat poison. 95% of it is tasty, healthy food. But the purpose is to get you to swallow the poison. The same is true of the WikiLeaks document dump. The bait are all these old stories which we already knew about, used to convince us that the entire pile is "tasty, healthy food," except that it isn't. Buried in the pile of delicious, albeit past the expiration date morsels are the bits of poison which the US Government knows you will no longer accept at face value from the controlled media, but hope you will eat if handed to you by a con artist posing as hostile to the government.

So, given that 95% of the current WikiLeaks is really old news, as a public service I will point out the bits of poison that Julian hopes you will eat.

1. Iran is bad so you should all want to kill them.

2. Saudi Arabia is bad because they are funding Al Qaeda so you should all want to kill them.

3. North Korea is bad because they gave really long range missiles to Iran for Iran to put their nuclear warheads in, so you should all want to kill them.

4. China is messing with your computers, so you should all want to kill them.

That about sums it up. Oh yes, there is nothing negative about Israel in all these diplomatic messages, an impossibility given the lethal Israeli attack on the Aid Flotilla last May. That suggests who Assange really works for.

Funny thing about rat poison. After a while the rats learn to eat the food and leave the poison behind.

[norman]

........I don’t buy any of this Wiki stuff, its propaganda to the fullest. We already know what needs to be done.........

from the heart...as always

Peace




Make that a double.

[Zook]

Hi Lee,


There is an interesting take on all this at What Really Happened dot com.
Behind the transparency discussion, what disinfo is in the "leaks" that TPTB want us to swallow?
Links within the article can be found at:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/comidwiki.php

THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO WIKILEAKS LATEST DOCUMENT DUMP
by Michael Rivero
[...]


Excellent analysis!

:typing:

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Make that a double.

Triple ... hold the pimento!

[Agape]

Thanks Wikileaks, finally, there is something to read in the news ...it's all giving little better picture to everyone I hope.
Is it going to harm US and serious diplomatic relationships ?

I do not think so and it would be shame if it did. The news are suddenly so much more fun to read. President Abdullah, Angela Merkel, Putin and Berlusconi , all were called names. Who isn't ? Who ever isn't and you know and I know that being loyal to your government and/or diplomatic service, to your parents or teachers simply should not rob you of freedom of opinion, freedom to share such an opinion between equally minded friends.
Pasting private correspondence all over internet and blowing a large bubble of it in media ,
the meaning of which seems to be exaggerrated by every following hour,

is no-no for me though.

Sure, someone had to be brave but for what price ?

Btw one question that does not give me full sense is : How could any single individual be responsible for such a huge hack , download and collection of information over the years ?

What does it mean to say is that the encryptions are insecure and can be hacked into anytime. Cooperation from ambassy personnel is not needed.

I'm sure, feeling sorry for Julian Assange and his brothers in arms as they're not going to let them just go...







:hug:

[norman]

Propaganda is like rat poison. 95% of it is tasty, healthy food. But the purpose is to get you to swallow the poison. The same is true of the WikiLeaks document dump. The bait are all these old stories which we already knew about, used to convince us that the entire pile is "tasty, healthy food," except that it isn't. Buried in the pile of delicious, albeit past the expiration date morsels are the bits of poison which the US Government knows you will no longer accept at face value from the controlled media, but hope you will eat if handed to you by a con artist posing as hostile to the government.

So, given that 95% of the current WikiLeaks is really old news, as a public service I will point out the bits of poison that Julian hopes you will eat.

1. Iran is bad so you should all want to kill them.

2. Saudi Arabia is bad because they are funding Al Qaeda so you should all want to kill them.

3. North Korea is bad because they gave really long range missiles to Iran for Iran to put their nuclear warheads in, so you should all want to kill them.

4. China is messing with your computers, so you should all want to kill them.

That about sums it up. Oh yes, there is nothing negative about Israel in all these diplomatic messages, an impossibility given the lethal Israeli attack on the Aid Flotilla last May. That suggests who Assange really works for.

Funny thing about rat poison. After a while the rats learn to eat the food and leave the poison behind.






echo echo echo echo echo

[Banshee]

....................................

[Peace of Mind]

Thanks Banshee, ;)

Peace

[Banshee]

Thanks Banshee, ;)

Peace

dude.... its still there.

[Lefty Dave]

That's easy, Celine....they ARE the US government...really, they are the combined assets of MOSSAD, MI5 CIA,...they've been working together for 50 years...through corps , thinktanks, societies, associations, religions etc....and they have us by the short hairs now, for sure...by creating their own enemies...wars are perfect machines of destruction...when you are the victor AND the vanquished ...blessings

[ponda]

There is an interesting take on all this at What Really Happened dot com.
Behind the transparency discussion, what disinfo is in the "leaks" that TPTB want us to swallow?
Links within the article can be found at:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/comidwiki.php


THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO WIKILEAKS LATEST DOCUMENT DUMP
by Michael Rivero

1. Iran is bad so you should all want to kill them.

2. Saudi Arabia is bad because they are funding Al Qaeda so you should all want to kill them.

3. North Korea is bad because they gave really long range missiles to Iran for Iran to put their nuclear warheads in, so you should all want to kill them.

4. China is messing with your computers, so you should all want to kill them.

That about sums it up. Oh yes, there is nothing negative about Israel in all these diplomatic messages, an impossibility given the lethal Israeli attack on the Aid Flotilla last May. That suggests who Assange really works for.

Funny thing about rat poison. After a while the rats learn to eat the food and leave the poison behind.


WikiLeaks never said "lets kill the Iranians,Chinese,Arabs etc"...whatreallyhapenned.com says they did.There is a big difference.This is the real propaganda.

Talk about overreacting.A small group of people release some official documents showing some of what goes on at a diplomatic level and all of a sudden there are lynch mobs and witch hunts being formed."Lets get WikiLeaks...they are controlled by the dreaded ptb"...anyone got any proof ? How come no one wants to go and round up the msm,they have been pumping out bs for years.Take it easy the sky isn't falling just yet.How about seeing how it pans out before jumping to conclusions.It's only just begun and there is a bit more water to go under the bridge.

[RedeZra]

WikiLeaks didn't leak some debilitating Zionist stuff

so it's a joke then


anyway why is this :israel: guy among the smilies ?

---

if WikiLeaks releases ET evidence it's just the next joke

heads up ; )

[ponda]

WikiLeaks didn't leak some debilitating Zionist stuff

so it's a joke then

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if WikiLeaks releases ET evidence it's just the next joke

heads up ; )


No it'll be a ptb conspiracy ;)

[RedeZra]

No it'll be a ptb conspiracy ;)

I know... but I can't spell it ; )

[shybastid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNoqUdac38Y

Rejuvination: Good song. Good backround music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qoalKUt0mo&feature=related
Straight ahead... never mind the color of the story..

FYI.. MY dad got wiped in riots when I was 9.. Still taught not to see color.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEEEL5uY3_8&playnext=1&list=PLCC1BEAF96861F8AD&index=19
Great Rainbow Song..

I see colors..... Love you guys.

Peace.

[shybastid]

Forgot this..............
You have to have Freedom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eeBaIUrdec
Inside and Outside.........
Great Acoustics and Players.......

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Ya gotta have Freeedom.. Ya gotta have Peace and love........ Play the above song.

[Angelo]

Pertinent to the debate> Anti-Zionist Crusader David Duke on Wikileaks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgI1aph7AsE

[shybastid]

If the Soros information is true about the Wiki funding being done by him,
it not only confirms what a shuck he is, but how easily I'm manipulated.
Grr.:peep:

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Shmuck That enough letters to correct it?

[Ahkenaten]

But couldn't it be that David Duke is being used by someone to discredit Wikileaks? Certain forces probably have enough dirt on Duke to compel him to issue a timely and controversial statement designed to undermine Wilileaks in a very calculated way - WHY THIS INFORMATION NOW? Duke is not on a lot of people's most favorite list....................for obvious reasons lest I state them explicitly. And the beauty of playing the David Duke card is the "kill two birds with one stone effect." As for George Soros providing funding support for Wikileaks, that also is a very convoluted tale that doesn't necessarily enable one to draw clear conclusions concerning Wikileaks - unless you are a person who hates George Soros for certain reasons that is. These are all dirty tricks playing out on the surface to distract and confuse people and not stuff that anyone should be considering when making decisions as to the reality of the situation in my opinion.

[shybastid]

Ahldenaten.. I agree with with you.. Who and why to trust who?

Terrible options. :ohwell:

[shybastid]

Interesting... One for Avalon AGAIN!. Smart bunch you are. We SEE through the nonsense. Exellent thread. Even by OUR standards.

[Tane Mahuta]

How to control anyone at anytime


This is how directed mind/media control is managed.

"The Hegelian Dialectic is a technique commonly used to bring about a desired result. It is a three step process as follows...

Thesis - A problem is intentionally created

Antithesis - Opposition to the problem is created

Synthesis - The desired result is brought in as a solution

Or another way to look at this. "Problem...Reaction...Solution" as told by David Icke.
Good post.