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jake gittes

5th September 2015, 00:24

Sex in the City or Sex and the City?

Interview with a Vampire or Interview with the Vampire?

from Jim Stone Freelance
http://82.221.129.208/ae2index.html

I am now confident I am not living in my original timeline.

And I got strong evidence that millions of people, if not all people, are not living in their original timelines. I think something happened.

The very first thing I noticed was that 20 years or so ago, Nelson Mandela died in prison, only to discover 20 years later he was still alive with no record of any prison. The second thing I noticed a few years ago was that the Berenstein bears were suddenly the Berenstain bears, which hit my gut odd, and I wondered why they changed it. As it turns out, in this timeline it was never changed. All the books, going all the way back say Berenstain. This was successfully talked down But there are now TWO NEW ENORMOUS NUKES THAT ARE NOT GOING AWAY, AND THEY ARE SEX IN THE CITY IS NOW SEX AND THE CITY, AND THE GIANT JESUS STATUES OF PERU AND BRAZIL.

Ok, now I have cold hard proof of Sex in the City, in the form of intrinsic evidence which proves that EVERYONE LIVING thinks it is supposed to be "Sex in the City". A simple google search that does the search in a way that denies Google the ability to correct the search results in a unanimous public consensus that YES, it always was "sex in the city":

Note the locations of the publications listed here: We have publications in America, airline blogs, and publications in Israel that say it was sex in the city, and ADDITIONALLY, a pirate perfume company in China that thought it was sex in the city. This proves that this phenomenon was global, and not just a local glitch at the local station, where someone there titled it wrong. Yet when you do an uncorrected search on Google, all Google will say is that it is and always was "sex and the city" and when you do a google image search titled "SEX IN THE CITY" it autocorrects and only puts up graphics of "Sex and the City" even if you try to force it to only give results for "sex in the city" because in this timeline, only the public conscience has it remembered as "sex in the city" which will show up in text people have written, while the hard physical reality has it as "sex and the city".

How big was the Rio Jesus anyway?
You know, that GIANT Jesus statue they have down there in Brazil, that in (at least my) original timeline dwarfed the entire town? I specifically remember that particular Jesus was over 300 feet tall, and that there was another giant Jesus in Peru that was just under 400 feet tall. How tall are they now? GET THIS: Neither are as tall as a 10 story building now! They look like ordinary large statues a big church might put up! And as it turns out, there is not a single Jesus statue anywhere in the world now that is over 120 feet tall when the base is subtracted!

And I do not know what to make of this.
All I can do is guess either something happened in our original timeline and a new one was created with errors in the details (which would pretty much prove we live in a simulation and not a real universe) or someone gained the ability to mess with the timeline and unwittingly change certain details in the recent past (which is as far back as they can go without risking their own time travel technology messing up their prospects of return.) It would make sense then that if they messed up the past, that would be our reality, but it did not go that way, something is seriously messed up.

One thing is certain, my memory is not messed up, "Sex in the city" proves it!

I can only hope it is the white hats messing with the timeline to give us a chance, like in the latest Terminator movie. I can only hope . . . . . because if it is the bad guys doing this, they already won and if no one is messing with the timeline, we might be living as a simulation in a CPU that had a crash, and merged us with a different but very similar parallel database.

jake gittes

5th September 2015, 00:37

What got me interested in the subject was the topic of time travel. Among the many things I imagine doing as a time traveler is going back & buying a building. I'd have to take melted gold because nobody would ever take the currency. (Hmm, theory for the disappearance of so much gold?) Then I'd buy a few classic muscle cars at that day's prices and stick 'em in there, then deed it to myself to get later. (Hey, I figured I deserved a little reward for either warning JFK or at least recording all kinds of evidence in Dealey Plaza from multiple angles, not to mention doing some "wet work" off the coast of Georgia in 1913... :dancing:)

Recently, I came across a two-year old story I missed (or did I?) that made my imagination go hmmmmm.....

http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/news/auction-news/low-mileage-chevrolet-cars-and-trucks-dusted-off-by-vanderbrink (check out the photos)

In more than 30 years of reading car publications old and new, I can never recall a stash of so many cars with so few miles surfacing as the never-sold Chevrolets in the Lambrecht Collection (Old Cars Weekly, July 4 and July 11).

In case you’re still catching up on past issues, nearly 50 vehicles with odometers registering between 1 and 50 miles and still on the manufacturer’s statement of origin (MSO, the document included from a new car dealer), will be offered Sept. 28 by VanDerBrink Auctions in Pierce, Neb.

Yvette VanDerBrink has been shooting images of the cars as she unearths them, and they’re a treat so far: a 1958 Chevrolet Apache Cameo with 1.3 miles; a 1964 Impala Sport Coupe with 4 miles; a 1963 Impala Sport Coupe with 11 miles; first-generation Corvair coupes with less than 20 miles. Many of them still have the window stickers on the side glass and Chevy-poured oil in the crankcases.
- See more at: http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/news/auction-news/low-mileage-chevrolet-cars-and-trucks-dusted-off-by-vanderbrink#sthash.Bm7xNZRQ.dpuf

skyflower

5th September 2015, 07:03

Interesting.... I also remember it being "sex in the city" but when I google it, it shows up "sex AND the city".
For me it was "interview with A vampire". :idea:

I just googled up the Corcovado in Rio de Janeiro , and I am shocked to see the Jesus statue is not the same as I remember. I have visited Corcovado numerous times growing up, and the Google pics are showing a different pic. First of all, the statue is Supposed to be HUGE...I remember the base of the statue filling up the peak of that hill, but now it just looks like a stick sticking out on top of a hill. Actually, it's entirely a different statue, not just the size.

Magnus

5th September 2015, 15:20

jake gittes

5th September 2015, 21:02

In my opinion, it is "Sex in the City" and discrepancies pointing to anything else, are either manipulated, not genuine or belong to a parallel reality, relatively speaking. The discrepancies could also imply that we have been successfully mind controlled. Very interesting observation!

Exactly, Magnus. Well-stated. You and skyflower are both correct in your memories. Those titles have been changed. Whether it's a parallel reality/matrix glitch/time traveling tampering or mind kontrol psyop, those things have been changed/manipulated. skyflower: others have noted the enormous change in those statues.

I'm actually really surprised this hasn't generated more responses, especially in this forum. People are always looking for some kind of evidence to support the numerous, alternative theories. This is definitely evidence of something extraordinary.

DarMar

5th September 2015, 21:50

Is it Berenstein or Berenstain bears :)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/berenstain-bears-debate-is-a-case-of-schrodingers-nostalgia/article25972071/

This theory was first propagated, humorously, in science blogs last winter, but was recently reanimated by an article in Vice magazine and then in the A.V. Club, the Huffington Post and everywhere else. To underline the fluidity of reality, enthusiasts are spelling the disputed name Berenst#in.

Most of the articles claimed that there are several such widely held historical false memories. They refer to something supposedly called the Mandela Effect: This theory has it that many people believe that Nelson Mandela died in prison in the 1980s. There are conspiracy-theory websites claiming that if so many people have such a false memory, then this un-fact could also have existed in a parallel universe that we somehow got a glimpse of.

amor

6th September 2015, 01:39

I remember it as Sex in the City and vaguely, that there was some sort of change for the new season of shows.

sunflower

6th September 2015, 13:35

I don't have any specific memory of time shifts that I can personally recall. However, I do remember reading about this incident years ago on StarFire Tor's yahoo group list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyvc6zNlOEE

A message from Whitley: "Starfire Tor is one of the most extraordinary people I know. Anne and I have witnessed numerous documented shifts through space and time as a result of being with her and knowing her." This interview chronicles some of those experiences and documents an astonishing and massive event involving the Los Angeles fires that Starfire predicted at 9:55 AM on Monday, August 31 on her Facebook page, and which happened--against all meteorological expectations--on Tuesday, exactly as she predicted.

Listen as Whitley and Starfire and her close friend Brandon Scott describe timeslips and tell how we can all become sensitive to this very real phenomenon and use it in our lives. In addition, Anne corroborates a stunner of a timeshift that happened to her and Starfire at the Magic Castle Townhouse in Los Angeles, and was witnessed by Whitley.

Ewan

7th September 2015, 09:42

Wow! It was DEFINITELY 'Interview with A Vampire' and 'Sex IN the City'. I never watched the latter but it was everywhere at one point so you could hardly miss it, and the former was one of my favourite movies back in the day. I used to have the DVD and wish I still had as I am now so curious as to what the cover and disc would read. Someone should ask Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt or Christian Slater if they remember what the film was called.

Back in April or May this year there was a thread about a missing day and/or being confused about what day it was. There were a lot of us sharing that experience, that a day had seemed to go missing. I personally remember being confused for three or four days about what day it was supposed to be.

How interesting. :)

edit
Did an ebay search for both film titles and lot's of sellers of used DVD's know what it was called despite the pictures all showing the new title though. :)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sex-in-the-city-Video-box-sets-Series-1-to-5-/271975135685?hash=item3f52fb39c5

Zaya

8th September 2015, 21:03

I have been really wrapped up in the Mandela Effect for the last month or so... It all started when my boss told me about the BerenstAin bears, and my mind was blown. I was a huge huge reader of the BerenstEin bears growing up. I had about 15-20 of the books (in my estimation) as well as some limited edition versions that had sound effects that went along with them. I also not only watched the show, but had the VHS tapes of the Berenstein Christmas and Easter specials. I was really into it. Everyone in my life -- teachers, parents, friends, sister -- pronounced it Beren-steen, and I vividly remember it being spelled Berenstein. I even went around asking my parents if they "remembered the books and TV show about the country bears that I used to read" and not one of them remembered it being Berenstain. This really baffled my mind. Why would we mispronounce it so badly if it was spelled with "stain" in it? It's such a far stretch from "steen" in terms of linguistics.

I also have watched every single episode of Sex and the City about 3/4 times through, and I have the entire collection on DVD. I remember it being Sex in the City like many of you. Granted... I am less convinced this one has changed only because I am thinking it is possible that I just always heard it as "Sex 'N the city" when people talked about it and maybe I just glazed past the text on it? When I really push myself to picture it, my brain is unsure of my memories now.

I will say I have done a lot of research on this topic, and there is a theory out there involving something called "Quantum Suicide". the very boiled down explanation for it is that when you are put in a situation that should kill you, on a quantum level, your consciousness won't let you die, so you jump to the closest iteration of the dimensional plane that you are on. A lot of people who experience the Mandela effect have reported near death experiences, including me. I was hit by a car as a child. Just putting that out there. If you are really interested in learning more, research Quantum Suicide or Mandela Effect and NDE's. I found a lot out from that.

sunpaw

9th September 2015, 14:27

Zaya

9th September 2015, 15:36

I remember it as 'Sex and the City' - and I never watched it because of that. It made no sense - to me (while 'in' does somehow).

However I had the 'Mandela effect' with different people and just recently also with TV shows, were I was sure they were rapped up - yet continue.
I am not sure how the quantum suicide can be an explanation for many 'small' incidents noticed.
Does that mean the person had one near death experience and notices differences now or does that mean the person 'dies quiet often' and has a memory of before?

I am not quite sure of the answer since I basically garnered the information spanning over thousands of comments I read with people's personal experiences (both on reddit and on Mandelaeffect.com). I sort of went a little crazy and dug really deep into those comments and personal stories, and I did not save the ones that stuck out to me. Let me browse through and see if I can't find some quotes from those sites on what those people had to say. I will update this post when I do.

UPDATE:
From Mandelaeffect.com comments:

Shaun says: I remember that movie called The Candidate also, I never heard of The Campaign. I also remember Jane Goodall the gorilla researcher was murdered in 1985 by poachers but now she is still alive. I also died in 1998 but I came back and I thought I had a near death experience when I went into the light but now I see that I am not in the same world I started out in. I have noticed many other strange things like the Berenstein Bears never existed here they are called the Berenstain Bears, the space shuttle challenger exploded in 1985 not 1986, Billy Graham died in 2009 but he is still alive, Nelson Mandela died in prison in the 1980’s but here he died in 2013, Fidel Castro died in 2011 but he is still alive, Japan was further south than it is now, Sri Lanka was south of India not southeast, New Zealand was east of Australia not southeast, I think Australia was further south too. I also had an angel visit me in 2009 and he said “He shows you great favor! Why don’t you serve Him?! Why don’t you serve Him?!” but that angel looked like me and had my voice, it really freaked me out for years. I think we have a quantum consciousness and it can entangle with another you in another timeline and jump because when I died and went into the light I knew I was not done and came back out and went into my body again but it was another me in another timeline obviously because this is not the same world I used to be in with all theses land masses in the wrong place and dead people walking around. It’s the only thing that makes sense.

From Edward:

I personally believe this happened to me and makes more sense. I personally believe the mandela effect is very real and might have ties to the “quantum immortalit” theory.

I was involved in a double rollover car accident with a truck. But my memories before the impact don’t match up with what followed. The vehicle that hit me and the driver all seemed VERY different.

I was told that the probability of me surviving that accident was 17%. That means, in 83% of the possible realities, I was smashed to death. This might explain the abrupt inconsistencies I noticed.

I remember TAPS, Berenstein bears, and a few other examples clearly. My memory is generally pretty good.

From Brian: I like your website. I share the Billy Graham memory, the Tank Man memory, and I vividly remember Earnest Borgnine dying many years ago.

Regarding what happens to the “old us” when we slide, there is a concept called quantum immortality. The idea being, if we die in one reality, we may merge with an alternate version of ourselves in another reality. There was a thread about this on ATS, where a large number of people experiencing the “timeslip living dead” phenomenon had near death experiences or been in accidents in which they should have been seriously injured but weren’t. I’ve been in two car accidents in which the car was totalled but I was virtually unscathed. Perhaps I jumped into an alternate timeline in which Earnest Borgnine and some other celebrities survived long after my recollection.

And maybe my favorite one from the mandelaeffect website:

From Daniel: I think it has much to do with a “physical” death and shift of consciousness. The only thing is that it if this theory is true then most of us (singularity split over various bodies- like a broken mirror reflects all parts of the picture with subtle differences) have died around the same time.

The last major death that I can think of may have occurred around the end of 2012. During that time I experienced a lot of weird things. One was witnessing someone I knew gaze off while we were working. It was as if she was not there. Three days later she died along the interstate leaving a club. She appeared to me later that day asking me to do something that I think I have fulfilled.

Another incident was on my way to work and I was just a few minutes away from a major accident scene. Apparently, there was a small accident and the people got out of the car on the interstate. A truck did not see them and hit everyone on scene. The bodies were at opposite ends of the highway.

Third incident, I managed to swerve and not hit a huge carcass in the roadway that was the size of a cow. When I got to work I found out it was a large man. (I worked for the D.O.T.)

Soooo many things seemed to happen around that time and would take a while to detail them all. I do think that it is interesting that for some reason sometimes we know, or the person knows, of pending death 3 days before hand.

The last major phase seems to stem around 2001 and I can not say enough to emphasize that. 2014 seemed like a natural shift where things reversed and cosmos at work. 2001 seemed more like a forced change which took advantage of the consciousness as a whole.

At this time, this is the only thing that seems to answer the reasons for changes in things we know we remembered. “Quantum Immortality” as some may say.

An explanation from a reddit user on a thread about quantum suicide:

The "quantum suicide" thing really just says that your experience always continues, that there's always a next-moment. You are "a conscious perspective having a particular experience", currently a being-a-person-in-a-world experience, moment by moment. That consciousness cannot end. The theory doesn't specify the content of any next-moment though.

So if you die of old age or a car crash that you don't "reset" from, then you'll experience "something else" afterwards, depending on what makes sense.

Maybe you'll experience "floating up from your body and entering a mystical land". Or maybe you'll experience "being reborn". Or maybe you'll experience a reset, and suddenly find yourself waking up as a teenage boy in Alaska.

Whether you then are able to remember your previous "moments" is another matter.

Another reddit user on the mandela effect sub:

You'd have a hard time convincing me otherwise...

One time, I was shot through the head. Another time I was T-Boned by a car at 60mph. Both times I should have died, but miraculously I'm still here.

One day I was telling a co-worker about it and she poo-pooed it because it didn't fit in with her philosophy/religion/worldview/whatever. The next day I was driving to work and I quickly steered my car into the right lane to make a quick right turn when the light turns green. As I made that maneuver, I looked in my rearview mirror and saw a heavy truck bearing down on me. I had read a thread on Reddit the day before about how long it takes a fully loaded truck to stop. I winced and at that moment the light turned green. As I went through the right hand turn I looked back and there was no truck there. It didn't go straight and it didn't turn right, it just vanished. When I got to work I explained to her how in one reality, they're wondering why I'm late for work and I'm lying dead flat under a truck. "Welcome to one of my Quantum Realities! Glad you're here."

And here is a whole other thread where people debate the Mandela Effect and Quantum Suicide: https://www.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/342ywg/theory_is_it_possible_that_mandela_effects_and/

Looking back, I've noticed a common denominator. Every single one of my most prominent "glitches" and "Mandela Effect" type incidents were always directly before or after a life changing decision or incident. Whether it had been a NDE or changing my career path or even meeting a new person who had a large impact in my life.

Some may argue that this may be a personal memory loss issue, due to stress or a change in my way of thinking. Though it's hard to argue that when there were others involved in many of these "glitches" with me. Was that experience/decision so far removed from the most likely path at the time that our predestined fates had to "correct itself," so to speak, for it to have made sense?

A long one, but good one:
I've had three NDE's in my life, as if one wasn't enough. My first NDE was in 1994, second was in 2004, and third was in 2014. (Just realized I have one every 10 years.)

Prior to each of them, I had a period of severe anxiety and panic attacks. I always seem to have a panic attack directly before something bad is going to happen. I seem to pick up on my surroundings very well. I feel like my condition has more to do with having "heightened sense of self-awareness." I always over-think and over-analyze everything, which leads to me having anxiety and panic attacks. I also have a very sharp, photographic-type memory. I can run through a specific conversation from a couple of years ago, in my mind, as if I was watching a recorded video of it. I should also mention that each of these events were out of my control.

After my first one, in 1994, my aunt was a completely different person than I had remembered her, even at my young age (10). In fact, after the NDE she was a severe crack addict who lived on the streets, prostituting. I don't recall her being this way prior to the NDE (drowning). My NDE was very unexplainable, too.

Here's the thing. In reality, I didn't drown. The strangest part was, I remember drowning; gasping for air, fighting with all that I had in me to push my face above the surface of the water, I quickly got worn out began sinking to the bottom of the pool. I had fallen into the deep end and didn't know how to swim, my mom wasn't paying attention, she was talking to the neighbor lady.

I remember struggling, no longer able to hold my breath, the water coming into my mouth then bam just like that it was like time had reset to immediately right before I had fallen into the deep end. I was completely dry, that's what has messed with my mind all these years. Needless to say, I flipped the **** out, was crying and hysterical. I told my mom and she just brushed it off, saying they hadn't seen or heard anything, that I hadn't even been in the water, I would have been wet if I did. She said it was just my imagination or probably my "guardian angel" that saved me from nearly drowning, just to quiet me, I'm guessing.

Though, it wasn't, I swear to you. I could never find an explanation for the mind-****ery that happened to me. Until I came here & began reading into this type of NDE glitch happening to others. How common it is for time to simply "reset" to before the event that killed you even happened. I never heard of Quantum Immortality until this past year, though it's the only explanation I have found so for what I experienced.

I'm absolutely terrified of water now, it was such a silent death, there was no way I could even make noise or call out for help. That experience was so life-altering, in the sense that I began to question everything around me. It's as if I had become more self-aware of my surroundings following that event.

The second one I discussed here, where a person who I had never met came into existence.

My last one, a person had completely changed in appearances directly before the NDE. I also had a foreshadowing phenomenon, which predicted the event which caused my NDE, which was odd, in itself. I don't know if it would be significant, or not. Though, I feel like I was warned before it happened. I don't know by who/what. Also, before the event, my neighbor had a buzzed haircut and was from Russia. One day, I saw him and he suddenly had long hair and he was from Mexico and had the Mexican variant of his Russian name. I was thrown back, I saw him the day before when he didn't look like this and had an entirely different accent. I asked others and they said, No, he had always been this person. He was barely recognizable and acted very different. It looked like him, but at the same time it didn't, which was very unnerving. Shortly after this is when I had my last NDE.

I know for sure that it was The BerenSTEIN Bears before the 1994 NDE. It was my favorite book. I remember even watching the cartoon, which is how I learned how to pronounce it (beren-STEEN). If it was anything different, the cartoon would have most definitely corrected my error. It was also most definitely The Interview with A Vampire before the 2014 NDE. I even had the book as a teenager, so I don't know how to explain either of those, or what exactly happened to me.

Edit: Sorry for the wall of text, will elaborate more if you'd like.

Just some stories from people. Food for thought. But as everyone here seems to know, your personal experience of the world is yours and yours alone.

sunpaw

9th September 2015, 20:13

Thank you Zaya - that's amazing.

I recall Jane Godall being murdered. I found it very tragic that she couldn't get to see that her work was a big change.
I always feel sad when I see gorillas. Gentle souls.
I never watched the movie because of this (Jane Godall being murdered), even thinking about it makes me sad.
A few years ago I met someone who works with Koko the gorilla lady. Even though it was incredible I also was sad. It was kind of surreal.

I remember 'Interview with A Vampire' - even though the movie seemed to be about THE Vampire - so its odd too.

Thank you for all the quotes and links. Very interesting.
I was looking for some answers lately (again) - I didn't bother to search since I couldn't find new 'leads' - not so long ago.
And here it is and even has a name :) (which didn't click either, I thought it just surrounded Nelson Mandela even though I noticed this with others..)

Thank you all.

Ewan

15th September 2015, 09:38

Given the demographic of Project Avalon I'm a little puzzled this thread is not getting more attention. I personally find it fascinating, and also remember reading about Jane Goodall's murder. :noidea:

sunpaw

16th September 2015, 14:54

Does anyone feel/notice 'jumps'?

sunflower

28th September 2015, 13:09

UPDATE:
From Mandelaeffect.com comments:

Quote Shaun says: I remember that movie called The Candidate also, I never heard of The Campaign. I also remember Jane Goodall the gorilla researcher was murdered in 1985 by poachers but now she is still alive. I also died in 1998 but I came back and I thought I had a near death experience when I went into the light but now I see that I am not in the same world I started out in.

What an interesting thread! This is what I have remembered. Jane Goodall never died. As of 2014, she was still alive at the age of 80.

But Dian Fossey died at the age of 85. She was allegedly murdered by poachers at her research camp in Rwanda.

The movie “Gorillas in the Mist” relates her story.

arwen

28th September 2015, 13:46

OK, time to fess up. :o

I was one of those (at the time, I thought the only one, and that I had gone insane) who clearly, and I mean clearly, remembered Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980's. I remember the media frenzy, the riots, etc. Then it all quietened down, and one month later, regular reports about him started appearing in the media again.

I was like - WTF????? And no-one, but NO-ONE else around me remembered what had happened just one month ago. I thought I had gone insane, and eventually stopped asking people about it, or risk having the men in white coats showing up.

So you can imagine my relief to discover that there are a few others who recall it as clearly as I did. I LIVED it, experienced it.

To this day, I have no satisfactory explanation for it - did I enter a parallel universe by mistake? Was the timeline altered, and if so why was I the only one (at the time) who noticed? Was it a projected military experiment on a few targeted individuals to make them have a " screen" experience that was at odds with everyone else?

To this day, I do not know, and have parked it in the "possibly never to be explained" category.

- arwen

CarnageCandy

28th September 2015, 18:24

excellent thread...I remember interview with A vampire, and Sex IN the city.....I also have a few memories of things I learnt as a child, that all of a sudden became so very wrong/not true, like ridiculously not true, it confused the hell out of me. I am not confident enough to mention them as the only ones I can think of are crazy. (maybe I had an amazing imagination, who knows) But I was so adamant that it was 'truth' as a child, still confuses me today. Cant really explain myself properly, but this thread is fantastic - thank you! x

Arpheus

29th September 2015, 01:49

How is it that no one is talking about this??This is some serious stuff,i also remember mandela dying in the 80's!!

Franny

29th September 2015, 08:28

Interesting stuff. I remember Mandela getting out of prison in 1992 I believe it was and BarenstiEin Bears, Sex in THE City, Interview With THE Vampire.

All very mixed up.

This reminds me of an article I read years ago about a young woman waking up in LA Cali to go to work one morning, not feeling too well and seeing odd things in her apartment. Some things were different colors, missing, in different places or items she didn't remember having.

She drove to work but found to her great confusion that she had stopped working there a while back and was working someplace else. In a panic she went to her sister's and she was no longer living in the same place. She finally found her but she was married and hadn't been the day before...and more discrepancies. I believe it had been an article in the LA Times.

I haven't seen anything about Mandella dying in the 80s but have seen the Barenstein/Barenstain Bears. If this is about a time shift it makes no sense that it's now spelled with an 'a' and there are still many references to the 'e' spelling from the past.

Wouldn't all 'e' spellings have been replaced by the 'a' spelling in the new timeline?

That could imply that time shifts merge, separate and contain elements of many timelines.

Zaya

29th September 2015, 17:09

For those who are experiencing this phenomenon... I am just curious:

Do you feel like you are inherently in the wrong timeline/place/life? I have been having a sense of being out of place for a long time now. That sense has been heightened in light of recent tragedy in my life. (Call it the denial phase of grief, if you like, but I felt it before this. It's just been amplified now).

Patient

24th May 2021, 14:50

iota

27th May 2021, 04:25

This has been a great topic and a very interesting event (whatever the event actually was). It is not faulty memory. Of course some people do not remember things well, but this is not that.

When first discussing the Mandela Effect, one of the topics was C-3PO from Star wars. I originally recalled him being all gold, then the Mandela effect came along and he had one silver leg (I think it was his left leg.) I remember many people getting really worked up about this as Star Wars being the iconic film, people saw the movie many times. Suddenly in books, VHS Tapes, etc., C-3PO had a silver leg.

We recently got the Disney Channel and yesterday I started to watch the Star Wars movie (the first one that was released) and there was R2D2 and C-3PO and C-3PO was all gold again.

This could easily have been altered for the release on the Disney Channel, but why would they change it if it was meant to have a silver leg?

I quickly looked online and there are just way too many explanations posted now to weigh through. I have my memory and recall other people losing their minds over it. I recall one guy who released a video on you tube - he had heard about the silver leg discussion and he was positive that C-3PO was all gold. So he gets out his old VHS tape and plays it ands then we see C-3PO with a silver leg. The guy went nuts!

I don't have any old collectables ( I think I have a book of photos from the movie somewhere) but in the meantime, does anyone else have a copy of the DVD or VHS that they can reference to see what colour C-3PO's leg is?

Due to the fact that the governments of the world have been corrupted, and the attempts to have war again in the middle east, I am wondering if we are, or have been, flipping back and forth from timeline to timeline.

i bought the toy for my sons ... it was all gold .. no silver leg ... i still have boxes of their toys .. i will look but it won't be an incontrovertible determining factor, because in my old Bible, the verses are changed .. in print ~ black and white ... and i memorized those ... they were favorites i locked in my heart ... so .. sigh ..

also, on Star Wars theme the famous line, "Luke, I am your father" was a line i myself quoted over and over. and we, the "Mandela affected" are NOT the only ones to remember it this way. James Earl Jones remembered it THIS way as well ...

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i just REALLY want to go back to Sag Arm earth ... i didn't consent to be brought here ... and i don't belong here ...

there people were kind and good and loving and joyful and hopeful and we were FREE
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i miss them and the warmth of their light in this bleakness that perplexes me continuously ...

sometimes i worry that Wes was right .. as in "past tense"

like maybe our consciousness was ALREADY "uploaded" and we are not even "us" anymore

i know, i often don't feel like "me"

i went a period of time where i let my voicemails pile up past 200 (yes google voice apparently goes past 200 vmails ~ this is before i walked away from them completely)

anyway the reason being is that i would look down and see who was calling and think:

"i know who you are looking for ... but she is NOT 'here'
i don't know where she went
or when she'll be back
and i'm waiting for her too"

i wasn't being mean, or uncaring, i just didn't want to disappoint them. they were looking for a dynamic version of me that now operated as a "dim" version if that makes sense?

what it occurred/occurs as is like having watched a movie, so you know the whole plot and all the details and you can kind of be "drawn in" on some parts but on some just no emotional connection to the events or people involved

like that

i know all the details, well most, but there is much i lack the emotional connection to. and i'm a pisces .. water ... emotions ... an empath even ... it is literally NOT "me" to NOT have an "emotional connection" to well ... everything ...

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Innocent Warrior

27th May 2021, 04:50

Innocent Warrior

27th May 2021, 06:52

There’s gotta be a way to nut this Mandela effect out. I feel it’s a foolish error to treat it like a past fad topic, like déjà vu, it has the potential to teach us crucial facts about reality. But we can’t play it safe, we have to be willing to make mistakes, appear foolish and dissolve limitations and boundaries. Perhaps this post would better suit an Experiencers thread, IDK. I know we’re gonna be ok, somehow, but whatever happens isn’t gonna happen without our participation. I’m sure that by now Avalonians have a clearer way forward, each doing what we can, each bringing our talents to the table. But there appears to still be a sense of helplessness, sadness etc. around. I get that, so why are we spending so much energy on worldly affairs and the physical realm and so little on the level playing field? I’m not saying not to be aware of the environment in which we are living, just that it’s the end result, that action is the final step of creation, and there’s a whole process that comes before that and we seem to be neglecting that part of the cycle.

Anyway, back to C3PO. There are residuals, like this Live Aid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjXetWK-Ur8) concert where Freddie sings “of the world” at the end of the song. I’m thinking the vintage toys are a residual.

This is a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMAAzS4brDc) from the 1978 Oscars, from their offical YT channel, so it’s not some random who edited it. It’s hard to see in that light but if you look closely you can see the leg is silver. Not an original VHS of one of the movies, but a solid substitute. So, as it stands now, he had a silver leg in this timeline.

Arguments against the gold leg are as follows.
The silver leg doesn’t look that different from the gold leg, if we weren’t looking for it we wouldn’t notice. True, but not in all scenes. It’s really obvious in the scenes where it’s visible when they’re on the ship.

The toys were all gold because the toys weren’t very realistic back in the 70s and it was cheaper to paint them one colour. False. Toys were generally of a higher quality. My aunt bought me a remote controlled R2-D2, it was very high quality. I don’t recall how old I was, I was little, it was likely from the 70s, if not then early 80s at the latest.

I get that people who haven’t experienced this effect don’t believe it, I didn’t think much of it until I experienced it myself. The arguments debunking it are invalid. The older I get the less I trust my memory, but vivid memories are vivid, end of. Also, when you show another person the new version, who remembers it the exact same way you and every one else does, it’s undeniable. Exactly the same way, like with Vader, they say it exactly the same way he originally did. It was one of the most dramatic moments out of the original three, shocking actually. Shocks generate vivid memories. Not to mention the arguments are insulting, like we just desperately want to believe in the effect so much that we’re incapable of thinking critically. When you see it’s changed it actually freaks you out and you go looking for explanations yourself and can see that’s how many others react also. Attempts to explain it simply don’t successfully do so.

So, I’m thinking we have to update our idea of timelines and the nature of physical reality. The implications are that timelines are not linear and while it appears we are sharing the one space, we must not be, since some of the collective experience it one way, while others experience it another. My theory (not just mine) is that we are each creating this entire reality. We think we are all on this one planet together, created by something else (pick your theory) but experience suggests we are each creating the whole thing and everything is a projection or reflection of ourselves, like in typical dreams. That’s not to say nobody else is real, everyone is still real, it just means reality is created very differently from how it seems.

Mark (Star Mariner)

27th May 2021, 14:17

Anyway, back to C3PO.

Ah yes, 3PO's one silver leg. That was my WTF moment with regards to the Mandela Effect. At least at the time. I was and still am a big Star Wars fan (nerd), growing up with these films, watching them dozens of times over almost wearing out the tape! There's some earlier discussion on this (the silver leg) back here in the first Mandela Effect thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91131-...And-the-Wolf-Shall-Dwell-With-The-Lamb&p=1074189&viewfull=1#post1074189).

I can confirm that the silver leg is there on my old VHS copies of the original 'A New Hope', which I've had since the 1980s when it first became available for retail. Same for 'Empire' and 'Jedi'. If I ever did notice the silver leg, it never registered. When it emerged as part of the Mandela effect theory it kind of blew my mind. How did that slip by unnoticed? How did I not notice? But it is indisputable: 3PO always did have one silver leg.

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Faulty memory or timeline chicanery? My answer remains: I do think it highly, highly likely it's the former. For the following reasons. First, how many scenes depict 3P0 in a full body shot? Not many. The vast majority of his scenes are head and shoulders or waist up. You rarely see a decent shot of his legs. Second, in the old days I watched SW on what is now pretty ropey quality VHS. So I'm not that surprised I didn't notice. Colours didn't much pop out like they do now. Not only was the definition low, but the resolution. TVs were small wooden boxes in the corner of the living room. They didn't take up half the wall as they do today. It wasn't until the re-mastered, digital, HD, revolution that this was even detected (and became a talking-point) in fandom. So I do really think it was always there.

I can also still hear Vader’s voice saying, “Luke, I am your father”, not “No, I am your father”.

With respect, that definitely is faulty memory. It's exactly the same when people believe they remember the lines, 'Play it again, Sam', or 'Beam me up, Scotty,' when neither line was ever said on screen.

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Consider the whole famous exchange in this scene - particularly Luke's preceding line. Does it fit?

Vader: "Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father..."
Luke: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
Vader: "Luke, I am your father."

People don't take into account the whole scene. Because this absolutely does not fit AT ALL. It is, and always was:

Vader: "Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father..."
Luke: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
Vader: "No, I am your father."

Think about it. When shown in context side by side the addition of "Luke" is erroneous. It ruins the flow of the dialogue and sounds, just, well silly. For "Luke" to be in there you would have to rewrite ALL the other lines that led up to it. If one wishes to do so and convince me that's how the scene played out, by all means go ahead, but it would be fan fiction. Luke's lead in was always: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!" And Vader's response was always, "No, I am your father."

'Luke' was simply inserted to make the line more quotable, so when repeated by fans it would quickly and easily carry the desired context. Same as 'Play is again, Sam', or 'Beam me up, Scotty', or 'Elementary, my dear Watson.' But these are all socially constructed fictions - but because they reference the movies/characters immediately, they become a convenient catchphrase.

Such quotes embed themselves in culture, and over time people become convinced they were the original line. This is actually how memory implants work, how brainwashing works. Repeat an untruth enough times and it literally becomes the new truth, and no amount of proof to the contrary will convince the mind otherwise. The CIA figured this out in the 50's, and have been employing their mind-magic against us ever since.

That's personally what I think A LOT of these Mandela effect things are (not CIA), but memory distortion. Perhaps not all so-called Mandela effects. There maybe something to it with some of them (somewhere, somehow) ...just not with misremembered movie quotes!

Patient

27th May 2021, 16:54

The Berenstein vs Berenstain Bears is my strongest one (along with with the James Bond movie with the end scene with Dolly, which now does not make sense).

We had kids that watched the BERENSTEIN BEARS cartoons on a daily basis for years. And we read them the books. I even had a book stored away and when I unpacked it to look, it had changed to Berenstain Bears.

All of those people that did not experience the effect themselves will argue because they were not affected by the changes. Their memories are correct. So are mine.

RunningDeer

27th May 2021, 18:12

I don't have any old collectables ( I think I have a book of photos from the movie somewhere) but in the meantime, does anyone else have a copy of the DVD or VHS that they can reference to see what colour C-3PO's leg is?

...Anyway, I don’t have a VHS but I did a search on vintage toys and the results are curious. All the actual vintage toys are gold. I saw some toys with a silver leg but they are marketed as new toy models of the vintage version of C-3PO (ie from the first three movies that were released).

This is a photo of my sisters, brother, son (bottom, right) and myself in California, 1980.

https://i.imgur.com/fA7Lfz6.jpg

Innocent Warrior

28th May 2021, 00:09

Faulty memory or timeline chicanery? My answer remains: I do think it highly, highly likely it's the former. For the following reasons. First, how many scenes depict 3P0 in a full body shot? Not many. The vast majority of his scenes are head and shoulders or waist up. You rarely see a decent shot of his legs. Second, in the old days I watched SW on what is now pretty ropey quality VHS. So I'm not that surprised I didn't notice. Colours didn't much pop out like they do now. Not only was the definition low, but the resolution. TVs were small wooden boxes in the corner of the living room. They didn't take up half the wall as they do today. It wasn't until the re-mastered, digital, HD, revolution that this was even detected (and became a talking-point) in fandom. So I do really think it was always there.

Bear with me, I want to keep thoughts and opinions completely out of this when it comes to conclusions. Any conclusions need to be purely evidence based, as tricky as that is with the Mandela effect. There’s a good collection of possible Mandela effects, some can be explained, others can’t. Evidence will quickly rule out ones that definitely aren’t a Mandela effect. Evidence will also make clear exactly what we do and don’t know about the Mandela effect. We may end up concluding that it’s been proven to be real, or that there’s no way to prove it and know for certain, or that it can’t be ruled out, or that there’s nothing to it at all and we have a solid explanation for the phenomenon, but without evidence based conclusions we’ll just go around in circles. I’ll not be disappointed to see there’s nothing to it if that’s the case, but it’s disappointing to recognise the potential for learning either way and it not having been properly examined.

Ok, to what I’ve quoted of you above. Very good points, I’m listening. Two problems though. Even with your valid points it’s too much of a stretch to believe we never noticed. Remember the world back then, generally speaking, we weren’t exposed to a lot of information or media. General knowledge was big, no Google. We had the drive in, the movie theatres, TV, and VHS, so not endless choices of movies and shows to watch. We’d watch some movies from our collections over and over again, there were popular movies like ET, Gremlins, and one of the top ones was Star Wars. Another example of how we were was we knew all the technology that was available to the mainstream because it was easy to keep up with, it was a much smaller world. But C-3PO had a silver leg and we totally missed it (even in theatres, even the audience at the Oscars, and were there any other public appearances?), it didn’t become a part of our excellent general knowledge on popular culture? Nope, good points but we need more to rule it out.

What about the vintage toys? Can we find a single toy from back then with a silver leg? Do we have solid evidence to explain that (production line limitations or whatever)? If not then we have a strong example of a residual. If so then we can mark this one down as inconclusive, unless there’s some form of evidence to completely rule it out.

Consider the whole famous exchange in this scene - particularly Luke's preceding line. Does it fit?

Yes, both fit. Luke said his lines and then Vader’s response didn’t flow from Luke like it does now. You know how someone upset will go off on a tangent and you say their name to focus their attention and put a stop to it and then follow it with a statement to correct them and the direction of the discussion? It was like that, that’s what he did originally, so it was like this.

Vader: "Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father..."
Luke: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
Vader: "Luke. I am your father."

Luke' was simply inserted to make the line more quotable, so when repeated by fans it would quickly and easily carry the desired context. Same as 'Play is again, Sam', or 'Beam me up, Scotty', or 'Elementary, my dear Watson.' But these are all socially constructed fictions - but because they reference the movies/characters immediately, they become a convenient catchphrase.

Such quotes embed themselves in culture, and over time people become convinced they were the original line. This is actually how memory implants work, how brainwashing works. Repeat an untruth enough times and it literally becomes the new truth, and no amount of proof to the contrary will convince the mind otherwise. The CIA figured this out in the 50's, and have been employing their mind-magic against us ever since.

Really good point. Another good example is the misquoted “what if I told you” line from Morpheus in The Matrix. Noted.

One problem with that though, I do still vividly hear the original line in my head, the same way I can still hear my grandmother’s voice singing me to sleep. Does the brainwashing do that? That would be good to know. And then there’s this....

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So James Earl Jones misremembered or misquoted the line himself, while discussing the actual line? It’s possible but in that first clip he even sounds super close to how he said it in the movie, just slightly less emphasis. And as you can see, it surprised him too, it’s memorable for him too. We need evidence that these clips have been tampered with or we can’t rule this out.

Innocent Warrior

28th May 2021, 00:20

Richter

28th May 2021, 00:51

One thing I know for sure, Jaws' nerdy little girlfriend Dolly had braces, and they were bigger than in the clip I found on YT.

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Harmony

28th May 2021, 02:20

I 100% remember Dolly's braces and I asked the person I saw the movie with if they remember, the answer 100% yes. We both laughed at the scene when we first saw it, that's what made it funny.

Innocent Warrior

28th May 2021, 03:44

For me personally the strongest case is Queen’s “we are the champions” because of the nature of it and the form of the evidence. It’s music, it’s Queen, it’s Freddie, and it’s “we are the champions”, its popularity is astronomical.

We know from studying that putting what we need to remember to a tune is a highly effective way to drill something into our minds. Everyone knows who Queen is, everyone knows that song, and anyone who was around in the 80s has likely heard that song many, many times now. Also, that was the most fun ending of a song to sing, too many memories of singing that with others, arms stretched out and everything.

For anyone not familiar with this Mandela effect case, he originally ended the song with “of the world” after “we are the champions” and a pause. Here’s the original version from the Live Aid concert.

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Now it just ends with “we are the champions”. Here it is as it is now.

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First I went looking online to find any copies of the original, thinking he may have sung two versions and we’d been singing along with the more fun one, hence the far more popular one, the whole time, but I could only find the Live Aid version.

Well Live Aid was a huge deal. It was broadcast around the world, all the most popular bands and singers were involved in it, perhaps that ended up being the most played and imprinted version. Perhaps the version on my computer I’d listened to and played to my son so many times was actually the Live Aid version, even though I didn’t recall hearing the crowd. I checked my iTunes library at the time to be certain and it wasn’t the live version, it was from a compilation album (Greatest Hits, IIRC). It was now the new version.

Has anyone always known that song as it is now?
Does anyone know of a version of the song that ends with the words, “of the world”, other than from the Live Aid concert?
Can anyone tear this Mandela case apart?

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Perhaps the most efficient way to come to any solid conclusions is to choose one compelling Mandela case and give it our best shot at debunking it? We could keep doing that until there’s one we can’t debunk and then explore it to see if there’s any way to actually prove it, we may end up with a highly compelling case at least. If we can do that we could conclude the Mandela effect is real and then it’s just a matter of how many other cases are legit.

BTW, anyone know of any serious Mandela effect researchers?

That’s about all I have to contribute to the discussion for now. I have a lot of directly acquired knowledge from being a prolific experiencer and have a diverse range of experiences to draw from, so I have an unusually keen and expanded sense of what’s possible, but my intellect is nothing special. We need someone really smart, critical and grounded on this, even if it’s just to see if they can pull it to pieces.

Innocent Warrior

28th May 2021, 04:08

I can also still hear Vader’s voice saying, “Luke, I am your father”, not “No, I am your father”.

With respect, that definitely is faulty memory. It's exactly the same when people believe they remember the lines, 'Play it again, Sam', or 'Beam me up, Scotty,' when neither line was ever said on screen.

Sorry, Star Mariner, I just realised I completely missed this. Ok, that’s interesting, however it’s also exactly the same as real memories (my grandmother’s singing as an example). I’m guessing there’s no way to distinguish between real and faulty, so how can it be determined as definitely faulty without this Mandela case being definitively debunked?

Journeyman

28th May 2021, 10:15

Such quotes embed themselves in culture, and over time people become convinced they were the original line. This is actually how memory implants work, how brainwashing works. Repeat an untruth enough times and it literally becomes the new truth, and no amount of proof to the contrary will convince the mind otherwise. The CIA figured this out in the 50's, and have been employing their mind-magic against us ever since.

That's personally what I think A LOT of these Mandela effect things are (not CIA), but memory distortion. Perhaps not all so-called Mandela effects. There maybe something to it with some of them (somewhere, somehow) ...just not with misremembered movie quotes!

I agree on the quotes and you've cited some good examples with Casablanca and Star Trek. Like misremembered lyrics, the internet and in particular meme culture has helped to strengthen and reinforce mistaken impressions until we can believe we recall something, even when we're actually recalling the faulty reproduction.

However, I don't believe this covers all of them. I don't believe 3PO had a silver leg. Star Wars is slightly problematic because of the messing around Lucas did with the original trilogy, but as I've learned more I've come to view George Lucas and his output with considerably more suspicion over the years. I don't think it's a coincidence that Disney bought the rights to Star Wars, along with their virtual lock on kids movies and Marvel they have massive levers to pull on the collective consciousness and I believe this is central to the management of this world.

There's a few of the Mandela effects which resonate very strongly with me. The scene with 'Jaws' and the girl with braces in the James Bond 'Moonraker' movie would be one. The Ford logo is another. Some map elements apppear different, Sol seems like in a different part of Milky Way etc etc. 'Sex and the City' is one I'm less convinced by. I thought the book was always this and the tv series changed it to 'Sex in the City' to sex it up a bit but I never read the former and tried to avoid the latter...

[QUOTE=Patient;1430083] i know, i often don't feel like "me"

i went a period of time where i let my voicemails pile up past 200 (yes google voice apparently goes past 200 vmails ~ this is before i walked away from them completely)

anyway the reason being is that i would look down and see who was calling and think:

"i know who you are looking for ... but she is NOT 'here'
i don't know where she went
or when she'll be back
and i'm waiting for her too"

i wasn't being mean, or uncaring, i just didn't want to disappoint them. they were looking for a dynamic version of me that now operated as a "dim" version if that makes sense?

what it occurred/occurs as is like having watched a movie, so you know the whole plot and all the details and you can kind of be "drawn in" on some parts but on some just no emotional connection to the events or people involved

I went through a somewhat similar experience. I felt like I died and all the messages etc from friends and acquaintances were for someone else. I used to think this was related to events in my own life and to an extent of course it was, but there was a deeper subliminal feeling which changed circa 2013. I've since looked at things like the colour of the sun or aspects of culture etc for signs that something profound changed, perhaps a timeline shift as some talk of or a 'reset' of the matrix, change on an adjoining plane of reality etc. etc. In other words I have no idea, other than I sensed something massive changing just out of vision. Like Truman in the movie catching a glimpse of a set designer being a little slow to leave the set...

So, I’m thinking we have to update our idea of timelines and the nature of physical reality. The implications are that timelines are not linear and while it appears we are sharing the one space, we must not be, since some of the collective experience it one way, while others experience it another. My theory (not just mine) is that we are each creating this entire reality. We think we are all on this one planet together, created by something else (pick your theory) but experience suggests we are each creating the whole thing and everything is a projection or reflection of ourselves, like in typical dreams. That’s not to say nobody else is real, everyone is still real, it just means reality is created very differently from how it seems.

I'm leaning towards our conception of reality as having the key. It's one of the reasons I think popular culture, movies especially, but TV, Music, Literature also, is far more important than most of us realise. Sure it's diversion that makes money, but I think that's secondary to its true purpose. Shaping and controlling our thoughts and imaginations may be the key to controlling reality itself. The Hollyweird thread when viewed as a whole shows far more control and direction at work. They call it the 'Dream Factory' and I think this is exactly what it is.

Take Disney as referred to above, a company founded by someone deeply embedded in the occult world and currently producing the biggest grossing movie franchise in history began with Coronavirus referencing hidden within 'Captain America: The First Avenger' and interspersed with a smorgasboard of 'Alt' truther reference points from a hidden fascist remnants of Nazism seeking world domination (Capt America / Hydra) rogue AI (Ultron, Capt Marvel), Transhumanism (Iron Man, Winter Soldier), pagan mythology (Thor), Occult magick (Dr Strange) with an overarching story of a Depopulation agenda (Infinity War) and... drum roll... alternative timelines and the multiverse (Endgame). All of these presented in a slick, family friendly format, marketed at the global population and transfixing our thoughts and imaginations for the past ten years.

Think of the profusion of 'comic book' movies in recent times. If we truly create our shared reality in a form of collective dreaming, then think of the content in the movie theatres or on Netflix, Prime, Disney etc. If one wanted to use a global population to bring about a cataclsym of some kind, would the visual and auditory stimuli look very much different to the contents of the Marvel, Star Wars, X Men, DC Universe?

Incidentally, all of these movies take you to the edge of destruction and then along comes the hero to make things right. That's a storyline that is deeply embedded in all of these narratives. If we're in the midst of a Hegelian dialectic, then that may be something to watch out for as the Coronavirus vs Scamdemic / Q whitehats vs Cabal / Climate change vs Climate con / Black vs White / Left vs Right / West vs East / aka Duality vs Unity script transitions into the third act and as fear and desperation makes us collectively yearn for a saviour, because maybe one is coming or maybe one is going to be provided for us by the same scriptwriters that gave us the threats.

Mark (Star Mariner)

28th May 2021, 16:43

One thing I know for sure, Jaws' nerdy little girlfriend Dolly had braces, and they were bigger than in the clip I found on YT.

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I thought that as well. When this Mandela effect came up I too was convinced Dolly wore braces. But that's the thing: I convinced myself, via simple logic (because it made such perfect logical sense for her to be wearing them), rather than actual recollection (and actual proof to the contrary!) All my mind had to do was fill in the gap where any doubt lay. The mind is very good at doing that in all of us. It's called confabulation.

Confabulation: [the] unconscious filling in of gaps in memory with fabricated facts and experiences, commonly associated with organic pathology. It differs from lying in that the patient has no intention to deceive and believes the fabricated memories to be real.

It just makes far more (common) sense to me that a confabulation effect is happening here, not a Mandela effect - which, bizarrely, seems hellbent on dismissing known psychology by insisting instead that someone or something is tampering with the timeline. Do we even know (can we prove) there really ARE other timelines, and that they're overlapping with our own? Or, do we even KNOW that time travel is physically possibly, and someone is deliberately meddling with the historical record (of all things TV and films), to mess with us? E.g, did someone go back to 1979, infiltrate the cast and crew of Moonraker, and somehow convince the makers of the film to reshoot that scene but this time without the braces? Ask yourself what makes more sense. What solution appeals more to a sensible brain? I have yet to see a single Mandela effect that can't be explained away by simple common sense.

For me, it's simply not at all plausible, in any shape or form, that these 'Mandela effects' are anything other than confabulation errors, enlarged and reinforced by cultural bias and shared (confabulated) agreement.

Yes, both fit. Luke said his lines and then Vader’s response didn’t flow from Luke like it does now. You know how someone upset will go off on a tangent and you say their name to focus their attention and put a stop to it and then follow it with a statement to correct them and the direction of the discussion? It was like that, that’s what he did originally, so it was like this.

It doesn't fit at all when you take the whole scene into account. Vader does address Luke, by name, in this scene. He does so twice in fact. If he did so a third time in this scene with "Luke, I am your father", then omitting Luke's rejoinders Vader's other lines, which came directly before and directly after that line, would look like this:

"Luke, you do not yet realise your importance…"
"Luke, I am your father…."
"Luke, you can destroy the Emperor, he has foreseen this…"

No one, even George Lucas, whose dialogue is pretty cheesy let's be honest, writes three consecutive lines of dialogue containing three identical subjects (i.e. "Luke," the person being addressed). It is of course easy to hear James Earl Jones saying "Luke" in that familiar dulcet tone, because he says "Luke" all the time, not just throughout this very scene, but throughout the films.

I promise you, this is nothing more than just natural confabulation – coupled with meme/quote culture of the last 40 years. Star Wars fans haven't spent that time saying "No, I am your father," between themselves for a reason. It's because inserting the subject (Luke) for clarity is infinitely more quotable.

And as for the silver leg, there are many vintage toys/action figures of 3P0 with silver legs and gold legs. It was always there in the films, but it really isn't that noticeable. It only became a talking-point, as previously mentioned, when the internet arrived. It only took one person to mention it, and then we were all mentioning it, and wondering why we hadn't mentioned it before. Because most of us didn't notice it before. And a Mandela effect is born.

It's true: Before 'The Force Awakens,' C-3PO always had a silver shin. ([https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2015/12/15/anthony-daniels-c3po-star-wars/77341766/)

On Monday's red carpet for the world premiere of Star Wars: The Force Awakens in Los Angeles, actor Anthony Daniels said the different-colored limb on the otherwise-gold protocol droid was overlooked by many fans.

Daniels recalled, "Even the stills photographer, John Jay, came up to me one day and said, 'Why are you wearing a silver leg today.' Now, he was the stills photographer, and he hadn't noticed."

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Actually, the leg caused some problems for filming.

"It would reflect the gold leg, and it would reflect in the desert, so it acted more of like a mirror," said Daniels.

So, Threepio was fitted with two gold legs for The Force Awakens, instead.

(Director) JJ decided, let's make it noticeable with a red arm. More of that later.
And though Daniels' costume got an update, that doesn't mean he could move freely in it: It's still impossible to sit in the droid suit.

For me personally the strongest case is Queen’s “we are the champions” because of the nature of it and the form of the evidence.

I don't really understand what this means. Evidence of what? That there are more than one version of this song floating around? Well yes, there are.

First I went looking online to find any copies of the original, thinking he may have sung two versions and we’d been singing along with the more fun one, hence the far more popular one, the whole time, but I could only find the Live Aid version.

The Official Live Video of this song also ends with, "We are the Champions…of the world."

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I'm a Queen fan, and I know something of We are the Champions, and it's very simply the case there are different versions of this song. A more prosaic reality there couldn't be. The most popular version of the song which ends "…of the world," is the UK single version, originally on vinyl, and it came out in 1977. But when the compilation album Greatest Hits was released in '81, there were different releases meant for different countries, and they contained different versions of the song. This is where the confusion arises, as the UK release of Greatest Hits used the '77 UK version, which contained the extra line "…of the world", where other international releases did not. These other releases, like in the US, used alternate recordings of the song which were slightly shorter and didn't contain the line. There was a CD single release of We are the Champions in '88 that also didn't have that ending, and a '92 single release (coming after Freddie’s death), which also didn't.

Ultimately, there was the UK version of this song, a US version, a French version, and another released in South America as best I can tell. Queen weren't unique in this at all. There are a million and one songs out there, by a million and one artists, many in my own collection, that have different versions. There are single versions, LP versions, EP versions, live versions, radio edit versions, variously using different recordings and different mixes, meant for this market or that market, this country or that country. To put this down to alternate timelines is just nuts.

What the actual evidence is ALL suggesting...regarding these Mandela effects...is that confabulation and faulty recall is to blame. There is NO evidence of any other timelines, realities, or universes, being involved. If it is our duty to follow what the evidence IS, and abide by that evidence, then we must admit the truth here and put this nonsense to bed. The physical evidence shows us that in The Empire Strikes Back, the line is "No, I am your father.." End of! It's right there on film. Dolly didn't wear braces. People who 'think' otherwise 'think' wrong. Simple as! We are the Champions exists in several formats, released in different countries. Case closed!

For anyone to really, seriously, entertain the notion that the real explanation is a glitch in the Space-Time-Continuum, rather than a glitch in memory, is seriously deluded. Your mind is tricking you! (it's very very good at doing that). That explanation is 99.999999% more likely than some Star Trekesque Temporal Anomaly run amok or some phantom time-traveller playing games!

Patient

28th May 2021, 19:46

The "Dolly with braces" scene was written with music - When Jaws sees her braces, he falls in love. The music associated with that scene has since been associated with that feeling of "connecting" or falling in love, finally recognizing something or whatever.

When the scene is shown with Dolly not having braces, there is nothing to connect the two of them. The director would not have made it like that.

And again and for the last time - I am not going to bother with this topic for the simple reasons;
1) Those who were affected by it know their own memories.
2) You can not convince a person who was not affected by it, because their memory was not changed.
3) Does it really matter? Only if we knew how it happened and if it was something that we could control or is controlled by someone else.

It only slightly bothers me when a person tells me that my memory is wrong - it is like telling me that I did not see that UFO. If I was there and you were not, you can not tell me what I saw. Just like the day I saw Moonraker - 5 times. Or Star Wars - who knows now many times. Or watched the Berenstein Bears show 4 times a day for 6 years - because my kids had that cartoon channel on all the time. If you were there standing or sitting beside me all those times, then you could argue with me about what was scene, heard, felt, and experienced.

iota

29th May 2021, 15:36

I went through a somewhat similar experience. I felt like I died and all the messages etc from friends and acquaintances were for someone else. I used to think this was related to events in my own life and to an extent of course it was, but there was a deeper subliminal feeling which changed circa 2013. I've since looked at things like the colour of the sun or aspects of culture etc for signs that something profound changed, perhaps a timeline shift as some talk of or a 'reset' of the matrix, change on an adjoining plane of reality etc. etc. In other words I have no idea, other than I sensed something massive changing just out of vision. Like Truman in the movie catching a glimpse of a set designer being a little slow to leave the set...

Journeyman!! Bless you!! THAT desccribes it SO perfectly!! i felt everyone was trying to contact someone else!! NOT the "me" that was here now ... sometimes, i didn't want to talk to people because i thought "Any moment now, they are going to realize it isn't me any more! and i'll be found out!"

what a bizarre thought to have!

but you know you. how you feel inside and you know when that has INEXPLICABLY changed ...

there has been some speculation of the possibility of an ELE event that took place and a certain portion of us got "whisked away" here ...

i always wonder .. is that a "good" mark about us? or questionable?

as in were we "spared" because we were the best and the brightest? or were we just on the "cusp" but hadn't quite made the mark and just happened to have "enough redeemable qualities" that didn't merit us being scrapped for good once and for all?

i'm still undecided on my personal status on that one ... :sun: ... AND ... :(

but i usually figure people have it all figured out much better than me any way so maybe if i'm just observant enough i'll get the drift of things eventually

there ARE a couple of DEFINITE characteristics i've found to be common amongst a HUGE portion of us

MOST were/are spiritually inclined

we were not just physically and materialistically oriented but AUTHENTICALLY on a path of sorts towards spiritual development and a SINCERE desire to be of service and help our fellow man

another is a kind of inner strength that is developed FROM having gone on that search and been willing to tackle the "shadows" honestly in seeking what we have been admonished to seek CONSISTENTLY through the ages:

"KNOW thy SELF"

most of us at least initiated and persevered through that phase long enough to have the payout of NOT being easily daunted or swayed

therefore, when NOW, finding ourselves in THIS NEW surrounding and having to encounter a CONTINUOUS backlash of disagreement and invalidation of what we KNOW to be OUR TRUTH?

we are NOT easily swayed

just because someone tells us: > "That didn't happen"
or
"you are MIS remembering"

doesn't send many of us scuttling away with our tail between our legs in instant acquiescense saying

"OF COURSE! i should ABSOLUTELY allow YOU ~ (EXTERNAL Source)

to TELL ME > what MY experience has been!

HOW silly of me to be-LIE-ve and TRUST > ME!

let me just readjust MY mind and thoughts to conform to YOUR ideas of ME right away!"

and that leads to a commonality of those that DO belong here

DISRESPECT
INFRINGEMENT

they are quick to INVALIDATE that which does NOT meet with THEIR personal experience and BE-LIE-f system

and there are ... a LOT of them are VERY much into the CONTROL/DOMINATION paradigms as well and i could make a whole list that doesn't fall anywhere near the category of the things i VALUE and strive for such as:

Respect, Kindness, Compassion, Allowance, Peace, Freedom etc ...

and maybe THAT is part of the reason why i HAD to be changed to navigate here

i used to be a happy little person that automatically LOOOOVED everyone i met

i operated from the standpoint that you were my brother or sister and that maybe YOU didn't know that .. but i DID so i accorded you the respect and love due to such a magnificent being that i was certain that you were

ok .. that kind of (definitely) does NOT "work" > HERE

encountering psychopath narcissists, hell bent on CONTROL and DOMINATION of ... well ... EVERYBODY

THAT was such a rude awakening ... and sad for me

and though i might appear strong, i mean yes, of course i am, but i'm not like the Glenn Close or Hillary Clinton type strong women that go around being LOUD and BOSSY and stare you down and BULLDOZE their way

those women scare me

until they get me upset at their audacity as the infringment becomes a pattern and i have to put all fragility aside and take a moment to get myself together to face them and move into warrior readiness like my avator currently depicts :Angel:

but the old me maybe was TOO fragile for that ...CONSTANT encounter

and HERE? it IS CONSTANT

and so you will find ME in CONSTANT RESPONSE to THAT

to say ... > "HEY, RESPECT please"

"JUST RESPECT OK?

YOU? > be YOU ... i have NO qualms or desire to control or whatever YOUR choice is

just RESPECT mine

and don't DISRESPECT others around me

because IF you do it in MY presence?
my understanding of the universe is that MY response is NOW to be forthcoming

and SILENCE on MY part would be tantamount to me agreeing and supporting YOUR disrespect of another

and that just ain't happening ... " ;)

SOOOO ... respect means we GET to STATE unequivocably

"THIS IS OUR EXPERIENCE"

and OTHERS get to say:

"that is absolutely fascinating! i wonder what that must be like for you
because it is NOT MY personal experience"

perfectly valid

they do NOT get to say

"you did NOT have that experience"

even couched in polite "promises" that WE ARE WRONG

i've spent literally a lifetime supporting and helping people come to their OWN power and one SPECIFIC reason was to DISALLOW

ANYONE
from invalidating them

no matter how "well meaning" that might be

besides, its a karmic thing as well .. .people have a RIGHT to their own path and their OWN journey withOUT interference ... even if we be-lie-ve they are wrong?

turns out they ALSO have a right to BE as THEY ARE and NOT "fit" into the approval of another

there are karmic repercussions for transgressing this ... just btw ...

ALSO, the agreement of others is really non essentail in the scheme of life and there is NO possibility of personal empowerment without arriving at this conclusion and basis of operation ... :Angel:

what i find usettling here, is the ease with which people feel free to INFRINGE upon others and the NEED to set and establish boundaries CONSTANTLY

look at the censorship, the cancel culture, DISALLOWING anything that goes AGAINST the "official narrative" DEMANDING that ALL conform to THEIR views

oh my ... and here i thought my thoughts were my own to formulate ... :facepalm:

so for me? i'm interested in a discussion as to the possible explanations of WHAT might have transpired to have caused this

i am NOT interested in discussing IF it happened

it happened

and not only to me, but to a FULL TWO BILLION of us

the numbers estimated were at about 1/3 of the population

like Innocent Warrior said, this should not fade away, it IS important to discuss
at least for me, i'd really like to gain some understanding and would be grateful for anyone who can provide some clarity

:flower:

Patient

29th May 2021, 17:21

I went through a somewhat similar experience. I felt like I died and all the messages etc from friends and acquaintances were for someone else. I used to think this was related to events in my own life and to an extent of course it was, but there was a deeper subliminal feeling which changed circa 2013. I've since looked at things like the colour of the sun or aspects of culture etc for signs that something profound changed, perhaps a timeline shift as some talk of or a 'reset' of the matrix, change on an adjoining plane of reality etc. etc. In other words I have no idea, other than I sensed something massive changing just out of vision. Like Truman in the movie catching a glimpse of a set designer being a little slow to leave the set...

Journeyman!! Bless you!! THAT desccribes it SO perfectly!! i felt everyone was trying to contact someone else!! NOT the "me" that was here now ... sometimes, i didn't want to talk to people because i thought "Any moment now, they are going to realize it isn't me any more! and i'll be found out!"

what a bizarre thought to have!

but you know you. how you feel inside and you know when that has INEXPLICABLY changed ...

there has been some speculation of the possibility of an ELE event that took place and a certain portion of us got "whisked away" here ...

i always wonder .. is that a "good" mark about us? or questionable?

as in were we "spared" because we were the best and the brightest? or were we just on the "cusp" but hadn't quite made the mark and just happened to have "enough redeemble qualities" that didn't merit us being scrapped for good once and for all?

i'm still undecided on my personal status on that one ... :sun: ... AND ... :(

but i usually figure people have it all figured out much better than me any way so maybe if i'm just observant enough i'll get the drift of things eventually

there ARE a couple of DEFINITE characteristics i've found to be common amongst a HUGE portion of us

MOST were/are spiritually inclined

we were not just physically and materialistically oriented but AUTHENTICALLY on a path of sorts towards spiritual development and a SINCERE desire to be of service and help our fellow man

another is a kind of inner strength that is developed FROM having gone on that search and been willing to tackle the "shadows" honestly in seeking what we have been admonished to seek CONSISTENTLY through the ages:

"KNOW thy SELF"

most of us at least initiated and persevered through that phase long enough to have the payout of NOT being easily daunted or swayed

therefore, when NOW, finding ourselves in THIS NEW surrounding and having to encounter a CONTINUOUS backlash of disagreement and invalidation of what we KNOW to be OUR TRUTH?

we are NOT easily swayed

just because someone tells us: > "That didn't happen"
or
"you are MIS remembering"

doesn't send many of us scuttling away with our tail between our legs in instant acquiescense saying

"OF COURSE! i should ABSOLUTELY allow YOU ~ (EXTERNAL Source)

to TELL ME > what MY experience has been!

HOW silly of me to be-LIE-ve and TRUST > ME!

let me just readjust MY mind and thoughts to conform to YOUR ideas of ME right away!"

and that leads to a commonality of those that DO belong here

DISRESPECT
INFRINGEMENT

they are quick to INVALIDATE that which does NOT meet with THEIR personal experience and BE-LIE-f system

and there are ... a LOT of them are VERY much into the CONTROL/DOMINATION paradigmes as well and i could make a whole list that doesn't fall anywhere near the category of the things i VALUE and strive for such as:

Respect, Kindness, Allowance, Peace, Freedom etc ...

and maybe THAT is part of the reason why i HAD to be changed to navigate here

i used to be a happy little person that automatically LOOOOVED everyone i met

i operated from the standpoint that you were my brother or sister and that maybe YOU didn't know that .. but i DID so i accorded you the respect and love due to such a magnificent being that i was certain that you were

ok .. that kind of (definitely) does NOT "work" > HERE

encountering psychopath narcissits, hell bent on CONTROL and DOMINATION of ... well ... EVERYBODY

THAT was such a rude awakening ... and sad for me

and though i might appear strong, i mean yes, of course i am, but i'm not like the Glenn Close or Hillary Clinton type strong women that go around being LOUD and BOSSY and stare you down and BULLDOZE their way

those women scare me

until they get me upset at their audacity as the infringment becomes a pattern of course and i put all fragility aside and take a moment to get myself together to face them and move into warrior readiness like my avator currently depicts :Angel:

but the old me maybe was TOO fragile for that ...CONSTANT encounter

and HERE? it IS CONSTANT

and so you will find ME in CONSTANT RESPONSE to THAT

to say ... > "HEY, RESPECT please"

"JUST RESPECT OK?

YOU? be YOU ... i have NO qualms or desire to control or whatever YOUR choice is

just RESPECT mine
and don't DISRESPECT others around me

because IF you do it in MY presence?
my understanding of the universe is that MY response is NOW to be forthcoming

and SILENCE on MY part would be tantamount to me agreeing and supporting YOUR disrespect of another

and that just ain't happening ... " ;)

SOOOO ... respect means we GET to STATE unequivocably

"THIS IS OUR EXPERIENCE"

and OTHERS get to say:

"that is absolutely fascinating! i wonder what that must be like for you because it is NOT MY personal experience"

perfectly valid

they do NOT get to say

"you did NOT have that experience"

even couched in polite "promises" that WE ARE WRONG

i've spent literally a lifetime supporting and helping people come to their OWN power and one SPECIFIC reason was to DISALLOW

ANYONE
from invalidating them

no matter how "well meaning" that might be

besides, its a karmic thing as well .. .people have a RIGHT to their own path and their OWN journey withOUT interference ... even if we be-lie-ve they are wrong?

turns out they ALSO have a right to BE as THEY ARE and NOT "fit" into the approval of another

also, there are karmic repercissons for transgressing this ... just btw ...

ALSO, the agreement of others is really non essentail in the scheme of life and there is NO possibility of personal empowerment without arriving at this conclusion and basis of operation ... :Angel:

what i find usettling here, is the ease with which people feel free to INFRINGE upon others and the NEED to set and establish boundaries CONSTANTLY

look at the censorship, the cancel culture, DISALLOWING anything that goes AGAINST the "official narrative" DEMANDING that ALL conform to THEIR views

oh my ... and here i thought my thoughts were my own to formulate ... :facepalm:

so for me? i'm interested in a discussion as to the possible explanations of WHAT might have transpired to have caused this

i am NOT interested in discussing IF it happened

it happened

and not only to me, but to a FULL TWO BILLION of us

the numbers estimated were at about 1/3 of the population

like Innocent Warrior said, this should not fade away, it IS important to discuss
at leat for me, i'd really like to gain some understanding and would be grateful for anyone who can provide some clarity

:flower:

I think you provided the most clarity! Well said!

We could theorize on the mechanics of "how" this happened, because I doubt we will ever know how it occurred.

The "why" I think is within your post. Many things in nature seem to overcome obstacles in a way. Nature balances things out - perhaps this world needed to be balanced out too.

iota

30th May 2021, 21:19

All of those people that did not experience the effect themselves will argue because they were not affected by the changes. Their memories are correct. So are mine.

Exactly.

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Pretty sure this was discussed earlier in the thread. Question to anyone who remembers. Risky Business, Tom Cruise, famous dance scene, begins by sliding on his feet into view - what was he wearing?

he was wearing a WHITE shirt and sunglasses

my kids saw this movie 50 times and my first fiancé kinda looked like him and a model and this just kinda reminded me of him in a sweet way ... i REMEMBER CLEARLY

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many many parodies were done (as i said, we are NOT "alone" there ARE about 2 BILLION of us that holding the EXACT, not similar, but EXACT memories) here is one:

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also .. on that note, I've never talked about it here, because it is kind of a sore subject with me, but i USED to have a photographic memory. people thought i was smart, and whatever about that, the fact is that once i saw something? it was just imprinted in my brain ... like forever. so for tests? i would just "pull up the info" and mark the right answer.

very convenient and freed me up from all the time my friends took to "Study"

once i got stabbed? this went away. i had asked to see the man's license and his license plate and TOLD him i had a photographic, not photogenic memory and would remember when i was 80! ... well ... didn't happen. it left

the reason this is a sore subject is because, you know how kids collect stamps? or baseball cards? i collected FACTS

i still get teased at reunions from people that have known me since i was SIX years old ... of ignoring them and reading books, even standing in line waiting to go into cafeteria, that i'd have a book in my hand and eventually developed even in the art of continuing to read even as i walked. ... yea .. my friends are a pain sometimes ...

SO ... that "TOOK" something from me ... something i valued and cherished ...

and NOW .. this Mandela Effect is further messing with me .. because NOW i feel, like what is the point of even knowing or remembering facts? when tomorrow or any day? they can and DO "change"!

it hits me a bit harder i suspect, than most to whom this might just be a "novelty" ... FACTS were MY "area" my "niche" and i looooved the accumulation of knowledge just for the sheer joy of it ... really NOT "cool" to say the least ...

ok ... in my pursuit of answers, i found multiple diverse sources offering various POSSIBLE pieces ... and i've tried, and will continue to try, to piece them together and hope to somehow form a coherent picture like a puzzle

i'll just briefly name one or two now

1.) YEARS ago .. the original Hidden Hand ... I'm certain there is a thread (or many) here, and in a bit, i'll go search and update this post.

in there was the "disclosure" of the coming "harvest" ... this has been updated by Hidden Hand 2 and Wes also did a whole spied and copied and i have these in my personal records so i can post those here too in a bit.

2.) this dovetailed into the LAW of ONE and Ra ~ speaking years earlier of a COMING "event" specifically a "harvest"

3.) this has been tied to Edgar Cayce's teachings of his interpretation of the Book of Revelations, it sounds like that is what he is referring to ~ the transformation of the "human vehicle"

4.) Dolores Cannon also came across this information continuously prior to her transition of the splitting of two worlds
(on a personal note, her transition unsettled me again! .. like is she gone? and i got "left behind" again? ... )

here is a video:

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5.) Wes Penre and the Transhumanism agenda

6. ) CERN

7.) the Quantum Computer accessing parallel worlds and timelines

8.) the Greys or Gov abducting people and getting our DNA FOR the purpose of the "future" at THAT time of "changing" humans

i will go in search of documentation but that would be of primary importance, if people were not ALREADY familiar with these sources and subjects ... and i suspect everyone here pretty much has at least heard of these already if not completely familiar

so i'm sure people have already contemplated and formulated hypothesis .. or maybe even debunked some completely

i just feel that when something comes up in multiple sources over long periods of time maybe it might be worth a look to see how they can be tied together?

i think Patient is right that we we will ever know how it occurred with any degree of certainty ... but we SHOULD be able to come to something akin of an 'educated guess'' with the various minds here and the information we DO have available

i'm sure people have other sources other than the few i listed here as well

Patient

26th September 2025, 22:55

Does anyone recall the song from Led Zeppelin - "That's the way" ?

The only Led Zeppelin album that I bought and listened to when I was young, was Led Zeppelin lV, and that song was on there. Now I can only find it on Led Zeppelin lll.

I never had Led Zeppelin lll !

**Ahh! It was a DVD - my bad..(getting old and starting to slip on those old memories.)

Ivanhoe

27th September 2025, 15:54

Patient

27th September 2025, 20:14

Yes - but I forgot about the live at Earl's court DVD, and thought I had heard on Led Zep 4 - Lol!

It came back when I saw the video and there is that girl standing in the crowd holding the scarf stretched over her head!

I was playing around in open G and that song came into my head, so I was looking for the correct version as opposed to what I was strumming. :)

ExomatrixTV

7th November 2025, 10:57

‘World’s Smartest Kid’ DISAPPEARED After Saying Too Much on Live TV:

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triquetra

13th November 2025, 05:27

The Mandela Effect is the central theme for the second of a series of gates leading out of 3D linear time and into a nonlinear 4D gravitational spiral:

1999: Gate 1 <--- Event horizon in the shift from analog to digital, creative gravity increases
2012: Gate 2 <--- Higgs boson discovered. Mandela effect begins several years earlier in 2009 when experiment series begins, but reaches critical mass this year.
2025: Gate 3 <--- Event horizon of the Realm Border Crossing. Intermittent link between realms begins strengthening to a constant one.
2038: Gate 4 <--- 32-bit underflow. Significant overlap of realms. Progressively longer jumps between realms have been taking place for the past 13 years.
2051: Gate 5
2064: Gate 6
2077: Gate 7