14th Anniversary 9/11 questions

[mgray]

My column (http://wp.me/ppklu-f5) for 9/11.

If we could get truthful answers to these 4 questions, the world would be a different place.

Rest In Peace

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

Many thanks for your article (http://wp.me/ppklu-f5), and this new thread. :thumbsup:

Here are the four [good!] questions:


What brought down WTC 7 some 8 hours after the planes hit the tower?
What hit the Pentagon?
Why did “The Pile” burn for 6 months afterward if 90% of the contents of the buildings evaporated into dust on the day of the attack?
In a “follow the money” scenario, who gained from the 9/11 attacks?

In my own opinion, the details of that happened are of far lesser importance than question #4. WHO and WHY may be the very important issues, not so much HOW.

(It's like with JFK. Who and where the shooter was is an intriguing mystery, but maybe a distraction in the bigger picture. Who was BEHIND it is what's really important.)

Note also that differences of opinion about Qs 1-3 are what's been cleverly used to divide the 9/11 community. Don't lets allow that to happen here. To unite us, let's look at #4.

Having said that... likely answers to the first three (I'd suggest):


An advanced directed energy/nuclear weapon of some unknown kind, assisted by explosive charges planted in the buildings beforehand.
A missile.
A by-product of #1.

My partial, interim answer to #4: Israel, combined with PNAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) (the Project for the New America Century). But the octopus may have a different (higher) head again.

I do not know how high this goes... maybe even off-planet, with the current globalists/cabal/controllers themselves as controlled puppets for another force with an agenda of its own. (I strongly suspect this.)

Or, as with the most excellent and all-too-real second Captain America movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843866/), maybe the octopus is a Hydra, with many heads. It's like asking who wanted JFK removed. There may have been many factions all in agreement, for different but aligned reasons.

I look forward to the discussion on this thread. :)

(btw, I did a two hour interview with Rebekah Roth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80910-Where-Did-the-Planes-Go--Rebekah-Roth-exposes-another-piece-of-the-9-11-puzzle-&p=995576&viewfull=1#post995576) yesterday. Her view on #4 is the same as mine. I should release it this weekend... it may be a good one.)

[mgray]

I agree Follow the money is key, but a truthful answer to the first three will free up people to think for themselves in a myriad of other questions outside of 9/11.

The #4 winners are the Military Industrial Complex (Thanks Ike) with the flood of money whether it went to conventional arms or to the off-the-books expenditures cited by Defense chief Donald Rumsfeld on 9/10/01.

[Hervé]

Yes, the who, the why and the how... another very interesting component of the "How?" which can lead to the "Who?" is the aftermath and how people react(ed) to it and which is captured in this article's excerpt:

9/11, Mass Hypnosis par Excellence (http://www.sott.net/article/301484-9-11-Mass-Hypnosis-par-Excellence#)

Adam A. Sott.net (http://www.sott.net/article/301484-9-11-Mass-Hypnosis-par-Excellence#) Thu, 10 Sep 2015 21:01 UTC

Dear readers of Sott.net, this is the sixth in a series of letters I have been writing to a friend. I find myself surprised that I am writing him. I find myself surprised that I am writing so much. My friend is 43, I am 69. These numbers seem unreal because the last time I saw this friend was when he was a young teenager. At the time, his ability to learn things with great ease astonished me.

[...]

On September 11, 2001, fourteen years ago, there occurred what may be the biggest mass hypnosis event in the history of mankind. I'm trying hard to think of something bigger, and I can't.

It would be a shame for you to not to take the opportunity to know all the ins and outs of 9/11 because you were alive when it happened, you saw the towers fall, everyone on this Earth is affected by this event, even now, fourteen years later, and this event is still extremely well-documented.

All the Gurdjieff quotes above are just theory without example, until you look at 9/11, the perfect example. You can develop powers of discrimination and a knowledge base beyond your wildest dreams using everything you can uncover about 9/11. There is no soap opera, TV series, set of video games or novelist that has the depth, the complexity and interest of 9/11.

Most people who begin to understand the falseness of 9/11 will see it superficially as one grand lie - that it was an 'inside job'.

Later, if you have the courage and audacity to dive into it, you will find layer after layer of lies, misdirection, diversions. If you arrive at one thing that you know is true, other lies will be waiting behind it that will lead you in wrong directions. You will find endless arguments and disputes. You may never reach bottom, but the more time you spend with it, the more astonishment you may have. Most people leave the subject with their head spinning about certain aspects of it. They may have the feeling they have uncovered a big lie, but often wind up replacing it with other lies.

First Responders
Only those with either a strong self-awareness or a healthy cynicism, at least a modicum of understanding of how the world works, could have understood at the time, on the day of 9/11, what was happening as it happened.

I know how bright you are, and we have not discussed this issue yet. It is possible that you were among those who saw the falseness when it happened. Your troubled youth may have sobered you and tempered the gloss painted over this illusion that was passed before the world. Me? I was just wearing the rose-colored glasses that I have always worn. I believed everything I was told.

Among the few who knew it was an illusion the moment it happened was Bhagavan Das. Excerpts of this interview of Bhagavan Das on Paula Gloria's show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDx2nc9f92M), Farther Down the Rabbit Hole, include the following:


Bhagavan Das: What took me to India was the bullet that went through JFK's skull and the velocity of that bullet threw me across the Pacific Ocean on my spiritual quest because I knew that was a conspiracy. I knew America was full of ****. Vietnam was a total bull**** trip. The inner world and the outer world made no sense and it was a total illusion. I got it right then and there. I was eighteen years old. I left two weeks after Kennedy was shot.

What's actually happening is a great opportunity for one to awaken from this dream of duality ...

PG: You were in New York when the towers came down?

BD: Yeah, I was there watching the whole thing happen.

PG: What was your experience?

BD: Hollywood movie set. It was a total, total, total production. It was a total show. It was not real at all.

PG: What do you think was unreal about it?

BD: The whole thing. The way the buildings were imploded. The way it was a demolition job. The way they both dropped and the explosions and everything. Everything about it.

MC: Did you see that straight away?

BD: Absolutely. I saw it straight away. I was watching it, I saw it happen.

MC: So you watched it with your own eyes?

BD: Yeah, with my own eyes.

MC: You didn't see it on TV

BD: No I watched it with my own eyes. I was there. I felt the thunder. I felt the earth shake and the explosion. It had nothing to do with an airplane.

MC: Were all these people who where standing next to you at this time, were they seeing what you saw?

BD: No.

MC: They were just going right away to the TV....?

BD: They were running to the TV and they were totally hooked into the propaganda machine.

MC: So, they wanted to be told what happened.

BD: Yeah, they wanted to be told what happened... I was 17 when Kennedy was shot, only a year younger than Bhagavan Das. I certainly had not a pin prick of an idea that JFK's assassination was rigged. I didn't run off to India.

It took me six years after 9/11 before the official story 'that 19 Arabs with box cutters acting on command from a guy who happened to be in a US military hospital receiving dialysis at the time (Osama bin Laden) flew airplanes into the Twin Towers that caused their collapse' fell apart.


World Trade Center 7
In early 2008, I sent the video of the collapse of World Trade Center 7 (WTC7) to several people, who were all college-trained engineers or physicist, to ask what they thought about it. I did not say what the building was. This was my attempt to illuminate them.

WTC7 was a 47-story skyscraper, part of the World Trade Center complex. WTC7 fell later on in the day on 9/11, at about 5:30 PM, but almost no one knows about it. No airplane hit this building. There were some fires in the building and some damage done by the wreckage flying from the falling towers. One BBC journalist reported live that the building collapsed about 20 minutes before it actually did. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI) In the YouTube video you can see the building above her left shoulder.


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Its collapse was an obvious demolition. It fell at free-fall speed, right into its own footprint, with only minimal damage to the buildings across the street. But for those defending the official line, their arguments explaining away this obvious conclusion are nothing more than wild hallucinations, which most people, the authoritarian followers, those under 'mass hypnosis,' believe without question.

If it sounds absolutely insane, that is because it is. In spite of the explanations provided for why WTC7 fell being utterly bizarre, they were apparently good enough to justify the creation of Homeland Security, for the government to beat the **** out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and elsewhere, and to continue spending a trillion dollars annually to maintain the US as the super-power of all super-powers.

No kidding. You couldn't make this stuff up.

The responses I received after sending out this animation were something to behold (no real names used here):

Ken, who has a master's degree in physics wrote:

"The building is a deliberate implosion by the U.S. government on 9-11. Like the other two!!" Ken became an immediate hero. I had no idea Ken would say that. He later told me that he understood it based on history, not on physics. He knew the underhanded things all countries in power do. Later, however, he thought I was flaky when I mentioned the possibilities that UFOs were real.

Martin was an amazing mechanical engineer who built an airplane in his basement. I cheered when he flew his maiden flight. I sent him three emails with this WTC7 animation. No response. He always responded before. Never heard from him after.

A retired engineer and small town mayor responded (but only after a friendly prompting) with:

"Interesting story on building destruction. I'll reserve my comments until I get out of politics!" ...and that was the last I ever heard from him.

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Combine the above with the many "9-11 Dissenters" sent to psychiatric wards for evaluation in various countries (particularly Australia) and one might conclude those dissenters needed a psychiatric evaluation in order for psychiatrists to understand why the hypnotic trick didn't stick on those individuals... IMO...

[Selkie]

I will never believe that it was micro nukes or nano-thermite that dustified those buildings. I stand with Dr. Judy Wood on this one...it was some sort of directed-energy weapon. Possibly two or more small weapons that were interfered. But something dis-created those buildings.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyaLZHiJJnE

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[Hervé]

When one makes the unfortunate mistake of insisting for logical, rational answers from the proponents of the "Official 9-11 narrative," one is faced with the typical "Toilet Flusher (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59804-My-Almost-Zero-Success-At-Awakening-People-Advice-Needed&p=683950&viewfull=1#post683950)" reaction:


The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

This is what I saw in my son. He could not answer a simple question but only parrot the party line.When one operates from a logical, rational standpoint, one doesn't expect to be met with computer subroutine programs that don't understand themselves and keep looping on themselves... yet, that's the sad reality.

Yep... an experiment in mass hypnosis par excellence!

[ThePythonicCow]

In my own opinion, the details of that happened are of far lesser importance than question #4. WHO and WHY may be the very important issues, not so much HOW.
The details of what happened, for many of us, were the door that we opened, the path we followed, to the more important questions.

It is this way with many "detective stories" ... first one examines the crime scene and related details, then one expands to the who and why.


I agree Follow the money is key, but a truthful answer to the first three will free up people to think for themselves in a myriad of other questions outside of 9/11.
Ah - yes - what he said :).

[awakeningmom]

This is a very tough day for me every year. I had a very good friend on flight 175. I was traumatized by his death for 12 years when I believed in the official narrative, and now that I've been down the rabbit hole for two years, I feel such white hot anger at the true perps -- those who orchestrated or participated in this psy-op and are still managing to fool most people fourteen years later (and are even running for President). It sickens me anytime I have to see Dick Cheney or George Bush or any member of that administration (or PNAC), as they continue with their psychopathic audacity to boast about having "protected us" from terrorism after that day -- with their demonic Homeland Security, red/yellow alerts, needless bloody wars, and waterboarding. It makes me wish I believed in a just God and that someday they would all get their comeuppance. Unfortunately, that seems like just another fairytale to keep the rest of us in line. Source, whatever it is, seems maddeningly uninvolved and unconcerned.

Today I visited a few MSM internet sites covering 9-11 and saw that while the stories themselves continue to advance the official propaganda, the comments against the official narrative are increasing significantly. Since it took me 12 years to realize the truth (or some version of it) myself, I have hope that more will follow. But when will it reach a critical mass? Will I ever see the arrests and removal from power of all those who committed this attack on the rest of us -- and who continue to laugh behind the scenes at the majority's gullibility?

I know these types of false flags have been going on forever -- but 9-11 seems to be in a league of its own. So many layers of deception. So many years of preparation. So many people complicit. But I pray, visualize, and declare to the Universe that something really good will come out of this most horrific of events.

[Omni]

I have purchased 10 Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth pamphlets to pass around to family and friends. Hopefully it will open some minds to reality...

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings Mgray, et al....
Thanks for the post...

cui bono ?


It is hard for me to believe us fed gov has yet to see or act on the several crimes pulled off that day...the massive murder/insurance fraud of the wtc's....the massive bond fraud by the bush league....the gold theft under wtc4,6...the put options ...the pentagon murders of those seeking the missing trillions rumsfeld spoke of the day before,...the weapons used on the wtc's... that kept burning for months...and the mass psych out of americans that 'muslims' did it...and now the world is ablaze...just as the perps want it to be...
I still can't believe it...14 years later...no one did a thing...and no one is going to...not the military...not the doj....not one single state came forward to initiate an investigation...NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO BRING THE EVIL DOERS TO ACCOUNT FOR THEIR CRIMES....that...is what I find hardest to believe... and I can't forget...
I lost a nephew to those bastards that day....and several first responder friends were poisoned by asbestos and radiation poisoning, dying, months later,...and my country was stolen that day...and humanity will never be the same....and I ask you...CUI BONO ? who benefited ??? there is your perpe.traitor ....

and every time i see or hear someone argue about lybia, iraq, syria, iran, afghan, I think....how can you be so blind to the truth? and my stomach sickens some more....

Let us pray...someday....somehow....justice will prevail....and those that acted out their hatred for humanity...will be rewarded accordingly.



Blessings

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Blessings

[Bubu]

I have purchased 10 Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth pamphlets to pass around to family and friends. Hopefully it will open some minds to reality...

This is the one answer to the most important question. "how do we wake up the sleepers?

[joeecho]

This is the one answer to the most important question. "how do we wake up the sleepers?

http://deananddena.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/horse.jpg

[Silo]

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Has anyone watched these? If so, what is your opinion?

[mojo]

We represent a segment of the public that turns to the alt media for the truth in events like 911 and researchers like Dr Judy Woods whom used the system as a whistle-blower, except the system turned her away. How crazy, even the courts, like the mainstream media are corrupt, we know the political system definitely is. It also tells us us how the current system is firmly entrenched, with a little bit of Jade Helm mixed in, in control of the "Human Domain," sometimes showing us in plain view what their motives are in their slogans.

[ThePythonicCow]

(btw, I did a two hour interview with Rebekah Roth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80910-Where-Did-the-Planes-Go--Rebekah-Roth-exposes-another-piece-of-the-9-11-puzzle-&p=995576&viewfull=1#post995576) yesterday. Her view on #4 is the same as mine. I should release it this weekend... it may be a good one.)
James Corbett has published a report on the financial aspects of 9/11. As I noted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85192-9-11-Trillions-Follow-The-Money--James-Corbett-&p=998084&viewfull=1#post998084), both he and Rebekah call out Mitre, amongst others, for deep entanglements in 9/11 and its perpetrators.

[Elainie]

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Has anyone watched these? If so, what is your opinion?


I will rent both parts and watch it this weekend when I get some time. 4 hours worth of video, should be impressive. I have great respect for both Daz and Dick as RVers.

[ThePythonicCow]

I will never believe that it was micro nukes or nano-thermite that dustified those buildings. I stand with Dr. Judy Wood on this one...it was some sort of directed-energy weapon. Possibly two or more small weapons that were interfered. But something dis-created those buildings.
Agreed, unless the physics of "micro-nukes" are more exotic than I am aware of (quite possible.)

Of course, this does not however rule out the possibility, even likelihood, that other more conventional devices were used as well.

Something expended an immense amount of energy in a very short time. Try pounding just a single cinder block into talcum powder fine dust with a sledgehammer, and one can get an idea of how much work (energy expenditure) is required. Now try doing that that in 10 or 11 seconds per tower, for a total of over a million tons of concrete and steel ... an immense task.

[T Smith]

Since it took me 12 years to realize the truth (or some version of it) myself, I have hope that more will follow. But when will it reach a critical mass? Will I ever see the arrests and removal from power of all those who committed this attack on the rest of us -- and who continue to laugh behind the scenes at the majority's gullibility?


I suspect the 9-11 conspiracy will play out much like the JKF assignation; we may already have a critical mass on this issue, however you wish to define critical mass. Regardless, there will come a day, if not already here, when the vast majority of people will understand the official story is bogus. But the Ministry of Truth will continue to propagate its lies and deceit, and unfortunately, most people will play along and no arrests or removal of power will ensue. The truth will likely still not be discussed in polite company. In the face of something so iniquitous and immoral, the vast majority of people become paralyzed and feckless by a cocktail consisting of apathy, fear, and impotence, and instead do nothing, like deer in headlights in the face of an oncoming collision.

According to a credible pole taken two years ago, only 24% of Americans believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot John F. Kennedy. A recent pole would likely reveal an even greater number of Americans who already understand the events of November 22, 1963, as described by the Warren Commission, are complete rubbish. And I'm sure it won't take as long as 50 years before three quarters of the people fully understand 9/11 was an orchestrated false flag. But will this really matter? One would think 76% of people in the know should constitute the critical mass to unveil the truth --- but, unfortunately no.

We are talking about a sophisticated psyop whose scope and effect is far greater than merely successfully selling a lie. A credible narrative may not even be the most important factor of the psyop.

Sadly, for those of us all too familiar with the back roads of rural America, we know what happens to deer caught in the road on a dark foggy night, even as the animal's instincts know something is amiss....

[RunningDeer]

9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money - James Corbett
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Published on Sep 11, 2015

TRANSCRIPT, SOURCES AND MP3 (https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-308-911-trillions-follow-the-money/)

Forget for one moment everything you've been told about September 11, 2001. 9/11 was a crime. And as with any crime, there is one overriding imperative that detectives must follow to identify the perpetrators: follow the money. This is an investigation of the 9/11 money trail.

UPDATE: Sorry Paul. I didn't see your thread. Feel free to delete this.

[Selkie]

I will never believe that it was micro nukes or nano-thermite that dustified those buildings. I stand with Dr. Judy Wood on this one...it was some sort of directed-energy weapon. Possibly two or more small weapons that were interfered. But something dis-created those buildings.
Agreed, unless the physics of "micro-nukes" are more exotic than I am aware of (quite possible.)

Of course, this does not however rule out the possibility, even likelihood, that other more conventional devices were used as well.

Something expended an immense amount of energy in a very short time. Try pounding just a single cinder block into talcum powder fine dust with a sledgehammer, and one can get an idea of how much work (energy expenditure) is required. Now try doing that that in 10 or 11 seconds per tower, for a total of over a million tons of concrete and steel ... an immense task.

Perhaps they used thermite to cut some of the columns before they dustified it, but that is all the wiggle room I will give for any kind of conventional weaponry, including nukes.

p.s. I wish I had the link, but years ago, I saw a video that showed the inner walls of one of the towers turning to dust. The walls were not falling. They were turning to dust in situ. There was one second of video...no more...where the inner walls were visible, and it looked as if they had expanded and gone to dust. Imagine if the walls of your house suddenly exploded into dust from the inside. You could see the outline of each individual section, like this,

(Murrah building)

http://www.menwithfoilhats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/murrah-building.jpg

They still had their shape...their individual outlines...but they walls had exploded into dust and all of the people, furniture, etc., were gone.

[ThePythonicCow]

Perhaps they used thermite to cut some of the columns before they dustified it, but that is all the wiggle room I will give for any kind of conventional weaponry.
I had more in mind the various fireworks, explosions, and fireballs (from aluminum airplanes melting into hard steel walls) that occurred prior to the beginning of the collapse dustification. I suspect that a variety of "special" and "explosive" effects were used in that show.

I agree, whatever mechanism caused the main event was so catastrophic that it would have been silly to bother with anything else at that time.

[Silo]

Talking with a friend about epiphany this weekend and felt this was appropriate

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[T Smith]

I have purchased 10 Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth pamphlets to pass around to family and friends. Hopefully it will open some minds to reality...

This is the one answer to the most important question. "how do we wake up the sleepers?

You discuss it like it's not a debate, rather a given (which of course, is easier said than done)....

No one debates the sky is blue, yet somehow, someway (and this is the crux of the psyop), the orchestrators who generate the narrative generate reality itself and thus render any version of alternative events into a debate.

As long as there is an ongoing debate about the who, what, why, and how, infused with massive disinformation and distraction, reality itself becomes subjective. Suddenly we must believe the sky is blue, instead of knowing it. This isn't hard for those of us who have eyes (or in the case of 9/11, those of us who can think critically); but for those of us who are blind or afflicted by the onslaught of mind-control technology currently pervasive in our world, it's not such a slam dunk to convince the sky is blue.

[joeecho]

In a “follow the money” scenario, who gained from the 9/11 attacks?


What if the world is run by psychopaths that only want to watch the world burn and money is only a tool to that end for them. That money/ power is not their end game.

The money trail would be obfuscated in that scenario.

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[ThePythonicCow]

In a “follow the money” scenario, who gained from the 9/11 attacks?


What if the world is run by psychopaths that only want to watch the world burn and money is only a tool to that end for them. That money/ power is not their end game.

The money trail would be obfuscated in that scenario.
What if the "highest" powers trying to dominate this planet only use money as a tool, and as you suggest, the money trail to those powers is obfuscated.

But what if their agents, such as key members of various US and Israel government and corporate organizations and institutions, were motivated by money, and the money trail does lead at least to them ... the ones who actually orchestrated 9/11.

[Bubu]

"As long as there is an ongoing debate about the who, what, why, and how, infused with massive disinformation and distraction, reality itself becomes subjective."

Exactly. so its enough to just establish that we are being lied to and then move to the next step. Whatever we do we can never prove beyond doubt what really existed but we are now convinced beyond doubt that we are being lied to. Discussing all the details to me is a waste of energy. And thats the biggest scam they do to us take our energy.

[joeecho]

In a “follow the money” scenario, who gained from the 9/11 attacks?


What if the world is run by psychopaths that only want to watch the world burn and money is only a tool to that end for them. That money/ power is not their end game.

The money trail would be obfuscated in that scenario.
What if the "highest" powers trying to dominate this planet only use money as a tool, and as you suggest, the money trail to those powers is obfuscated.

But what if their agents, such as key members of various US and Israel government and corporate organizations and institutions, were motivated by money, and the money trail does lead at least to them ... the ones who actually orchestrated 9/11.

I only suggest this because a general train of thought looks for the obvious reasoning of power/ money/ control. There are different motivators in the world and one particular type uses destruction as it's 'creative' nature.

That element is in play just as much as an element that wants to create a world in their imaging using the 'money trail'.

[Bubu]

This is the one answer to the most important question. "how do we wake up the sleepers?

http://deananddena.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/horse.jpg

Sorry but I disagree to whoever said that quote. My children 8 are all good performers in school. I thought them how to think.

[joeecho]

This is the one answer to the most important question. "how do we wake up the sleepers?

http://deananddena.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/horse.jpg

Sorry but I disagree to whoever said that quote. My children 8 are all good performers in school. I thought them how to think.

If that is the case, then they are not truely thinking for themselves.

The government/ MSM tries to do that for us as well.

[Zionbrion]

I know Bill Ryan is releasing an interview with this woman soon, but she tells a good story in this one tp SGTreport
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[mosquito]

When one operates from a logical, rational standpoint, one doesn't expect to be met with computer subroutine programs that don't understand themselves and keep looping on themselves... yet, that's the sad reality.

Yep... an experiment in mass hypnosis par excellence!

Agreed, I always used to attempt reasoning and rational thinking to get people to see through the web of lies, but to no avail. I even have one friend who is otherwise extremely intelligent (he obtained a degree in philosophy from the OU despite being dyslexic), he can think himself through all manner of knotty problems and is great at discourse, yet he won't accept anything other than the official 9/11 narrative. Why ? Because that's Naom Chomsky's position ! I even pointed out to him that that's like me becoming a Norwich City fan just because I like Stephen Fry, but he wouldn't have it.

I think 9/11 was merely the foundation of the hypnotic trance; we see it built upon almost day by day with endless wars, and legislation which I would have expected a seven year old to be able to see through. But no, people just accept whatever they are told and whatever draconian/assinine measures are imposed on them.

[ghostrider]

The main reason was setting the stage for the bio-chipping of every person , and collapsing the paper money system in my opinion ... they needed to create a reason for people to willingly accept bio-chipping ... to track terrorist (ha) and give a false sense of security to an insecure world ... I notice terrorist never bomb the federal reserve , the IRS , the political leaders homes , large banking corporations , oil companies , the Vatican , the White House , Buckingham Palace , etc ... I believe the planes were remote controlled , the pentagon was hit by a missile , and space based ray weapons brought down the twin towers , the covert black ops group planted bombs in the base of the twin towers , and also building seven ... yes our own secret government planned and carried out the attacks on 911 and made the whole planet need to call 911 , as they love their numbers games almost as much as their rituals ...

[joeecho]

The main reason was setting the stage for the bio-chipping of every person , and collapsing the paper money system in my opinion ...

The most successful bio-chipping will be the one people do not know they already have. In said chip there will be a program/ script of fear of being bio-chipped. After all, how can you fear something you already have?

[Karezza]

Side stepping this thread (otherwise would be here all weekend)...interesting collection of videos...well done everyone and thank you. Quite clear that as the years go by the images get clearer; next step would be to realize the true nature of similar events in the present.

[Bill Ryan]

I know Bill Ryan is releasing an interview with this woman soon, but she tells a good story in this one tp SGTreport
Kg7Qt4bV0B8

Yes, excellent. :sun:

No competition here. We're all working together on this.

My own interview with Rebekah is here... it'll be on YouTube by the end of the weekend.

Bill Ryan's new interview with REBEKAH ROTH, 11 September, 2015 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015)

[ghostrider]

The main reason was setting the stage for the bio-chipping of every person , and collapsing the paper money system in my opinion ...

The most successful bio-chipping will be the one people do not know they already have. In said chip there will be a program/ script of fear of being bio-chipped. After all, how can you fear something you already have?

we have already been chipped with the mark of the beast ... in your hand , it allows you to buy sell or trade = your cell phone ...look at what it can do , and every person has one or wants one and carries it all the time ... the mark of the system ... they will put an actual chip in humans but , the process has begun already with a back up plan - cell phones ...

[Zanshin]

In my own opinion, the details of that happened are of far lesser importance than question #4. WHO and WHY may be the very important issues, not so much HOW.

I agree Bill - so much time and energy expended on exploring the methodology.
Whilst establishing the how is important and necessary, the who and why will
lead to effecting the requisite remedies.

Brandon Adams and Jack Smith from Creditors in Commerce have examined this event
from a commercial/contract point of view - an essential component to developing a full
comprehension of what occurred. This aspect is almost entirely unknown or ignored.

Where the King James version of the bible is THE rule book for commerce, the cabal follow
these rules to the letter.

In a previous cycle the Israelites were in bondage to the Egyptians for 210 years.

In this current cycle the three 70 year periods of bankruptcy reorganisation (210 yrs)
ended in 1999. (7 yr cycle personal - 70 yr cycle international)

First period began 1789 The War of Independence - ends 1859 Civil War.

Second period ends 1929 Stock Market crash.

The Israelites were allowed to step out from under the yoke of slavery after the 210 yrs.

After 1999 if the people did not step out from under the wood yoke then they would come under the iron yoke.

Under the wood yoke the slaves were allowed to labour under the illusion of freedom, living in a place they think
they own.
Under the iron yoke the International Creditors were entitled to seize the slaves and remove them to foreign lands
(fema camps perhaps?).

So after 1999 all the commercial paper and records for the three bankruptcy periods were moved into WTC7 along with
all the paperwork of all the alphabet soup agencies of the corporate vessel known as the United States.

As the 'citizens' did not assert their rights in contract to step out from under the yoke (ignorance is no excuse in commerce),
the government charged with keeping the the good ship U.S. afloat for the survival of the 'incompetent citizens' rolled
the bankruptcy over into the Iron yoke and destroyed the records for the previous 210yr period.

Where the captain of the vessel is charged with ensuring the survival of said vessel, if 3000 odd seamen have to be
sacrificed to achieve that end then so be it.

I know it really creases the grey matter to comprehend how this could justify the events of that day but this is the
nature of the ones running our world right now.
Of course the sacrifice to Molluk or Baal or whichever demonic god would have earned them some brownie points also.

I found it interesting that Kameran Fally referenced the 70 yr cycle of ruling families in his last interview with Kerry.
Perhaps just coincidence or maybe it has significance.

[joeecho]

The main reason was setting the stage for the bio-chipping of every person , and collapsing the paper money system in my opinion ...

The most successful bio-chipping will be the one people do not know they already have. In said chip there will be a program/ script of fear of being bio-chipped. After all, how can you fear something you already have?

we have already been chipped with the mark of the beast ... in your hand , it allows you to buy sell or trade = your cell phone ...look at what it can do , and every person has one or wants one and carries it all the time ... the mark of the system ... they will put an actual chip in humans but , the process has begun already with a back up plan - cell phones ...

That was what I was inferring other then the cell phone part or the religious reference.

[ghostrider]

A little side note I just learned , another 911 coincidence , Robin Meade made her CNN headline news debut on Sept 11th 2001 ... what are the chances the main news outlet has the biggest story in the world break ,and they toss out the new guy to cover it ??? seems planned to me , a new face for the new false flag , anything to keep the public watching and buying the official story ... the more one digs , the more one finds that day was full of anomalies and first ...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Yesterday I was talking with someone about the 33 bloodlines, about how Turkey is attacking Kurdistan and how #isis was created for the purpose of stealing ancient artifacts to make the history of Kurdistan and the beginning of Jewish religion disappear.

We spoke of 9/11 and everyone involved from Cheney, Bush, Israel and Saudi Arabia were behind these attacks to bring the middle east to the point it is now.

I said I was very disappointed in Islam and the Leaders of Mecca for causing all of these problems, their King knows I was depending on them to bring the main religions together...

Today a friend here on Avalon sent me a link to the interviews Kerry did with a Kurd...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm65i1eQpCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycEx1BNAB7Y

Everything I had spoke of...

now I just ran across the story, of Mecca getting hit by lightning...

without anything here in black and white, we will never know if 1 hour before this strike was when I was speaking of being disappointed with Islam...

http://whatdoesitmean.com/drn2.jpg

When I demanded the Catholic Church make changes, the Pope resigned immediately after, and the Vatican was hit an hour later...

ET's are surrounding us, we are approaching a critical moment, the reason we are all gathered... We have been waiting a few thousand years, how many billions of years have they been waiting?

I was going to bring the 33 bloodline thread back to the surface to continue where it was left for years, time to revisit so much we have discussed before... but it is closed, so I am stepping in here...

this happened on the 14th anniversary of 9/11 7+7 107 Killed, another 7, just a coincidence?

The Catholic Church has been struck, Mecca has been struck, God demands the world religions comes together...

so many faithful with signs they have all been watching for, walking blind...

what will it take to wake up this world, two of the top religions have been struck, at their most holiest of spots...

all that remains is Israel...

3 religions, one God and all these wars because each think theirs is best.

It's time for change.

“His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles.” Psalm 97:4

yesterday, on the 14th anniversary of 9/11, this photo was taken over the twin towers location.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/drn1.jpg

World leaders are meeting this month

the Will of God is Peace

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/drn4.jpg

Tomb of the Virgin Mary in Murree Pakistan

[heyokah]

This was published on Nov 5, 2012 !!

I can best introduce this video here with this comment, from YouTube:

IamaFreeWillOffering, 1 month ago.

"This video, while not the easiest to listen to, due to the almost monotone dialog, is, nevertheless, the most important single video, based on a "damning information per minute" criteria, of all the videos I've seen.
I'd encourage everyone who has friends who think you're a loon for questioning your government, to appeal to them to simply pay attention to this one video and tell them that if they listen carefully and pay attention, and then are still of the same mind, you'll never address it with them again.
No one can pay attention to this video and walk away pretending there are not numerous serious issues of conspiracy, fraud, theft, murder and cover-up that reveal a very corrupt government, laden with massive guilt."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdE1Cwnymzc

[Rocky_Shorz]

for those of you who watched the first video, at 22:30 he states in the bible, the Prophecy of Elam, it is written God is going to re-establish his throne in Elam, which is modern day Kurdistan in Iran stretching to it's capital in Erbil Iraq. my Bro-in-Law Barzan's family was Kurdistan's Monarch who was from this region.

Through Divine Destiny, David a non-bloodline King currently sits on Kurdistan's throne...

Kerry did good bringing this forward, many of you have heard me speak of Kurdistan over the years, he does a very good job of explaining how all of this ties together.

[observer]

This is how the mass hypnosis of downtown New York City was accomplished - COMMANDO SOLO.

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/Commander%20Solo_zpseior4oco.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/POV_At_Exit_0/media/Commander%20Solo_zpseior4oco.jpg.html)

Commando Solo, among other things, is a military Psychological Operations Unit (PsyOp)

From Wikipedia:
"Psychological operations (PSYOP) are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.[1]

The purpose of United States psychological operations is to induce or reinforce behavior favorable to U.S. objectives. They are an important part of the range of diplomatic, informational, military, and economic activities available to the U.S. They can be utilized during both peacetime and conflict. There are three main types: strategic, operational, and tactical. Strategic PSYOP include informational activities conducted by the U.S. government agencies outside of the military arena, though many utilize Department of Defense (DOD) assets. Operational PSYOP are conducted across the range of military operations, including during peacetime, in a defined operational area to promote the effectiveness of the joint force commander's (JFC) campaigns and strategies. Tactical PSYOP are conducted in the area assigned to a tactical commander across the range of military operations to support the tactical mission against opposing forces.

PSYOP can encourage popular discontent with the opposition's leadership and by combining persuasion with a credible threat, degrade an adversary's ability to conduct or sustain military operations. They can also disrupt, confuse, and protract the adversary's decision-making process, undermining command and control.[2] When properly employed, PSYOP have the potential to save the lives of friendly or enemy forces by reducing the adversary's will to fight. By lowering the adversary's morale and then its efficiency, PSYOP can also discourage aggressive actions by creating disaffection within their ranks, ultimately leading to surrender."

Something flew into the world trade center. After the initial attack, multiple camera angles from all over the city photographed an object flying into the second tower. Each video of the event can't possibly be 'doctored' evidence.

Most of the private sourced videos of the event are out of focus or at great distance, so annualizing the image is impossible.

Every witness on the ground saw something fly into the WTC. Exactly what they saw was manipulated by a PsyOp mass hypnosis program flying circles around the WTC at high altitude.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhhu5OjMf8

....but, there can be no question, something flew into the WTC to begin the attack. What happened next is complicated. It involves months of preparation disguised as a renovation project, with the addition of what Dr. Judy Wood describes in her investigation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWjktDuIhR8&index=3&list=PLwelYtb-HoA4HR_pshycRyBgRjKjBMfaz

This Judy Wood Video is possibly the one that Selkie was looking for in her comment #21 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85175-14th-Anniversary-9-11-questions&p=998096&viewfull=1#post998096).

[idiit]

Just as Major General Albert Stubblebein, USA (ret.), was in charge of all US military intelligence during his career, Dennis Cimino was the Navy's top electronic's "trouble shooter" and is among the most knowledgeable experts I know about technical aspects of 9/11.Between my interview with the general (about the faking of all four "crash sites") and this interview with Dennis Cimino (about who was responsible and why), the public has access to about 95% of what is known about the events of 9/11, which were brought to us compliments of the CIA, the Neo-Cons in the Department of Defense, and the Mossad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR87VIaL0sw 2 hr. interview

judy wood cannot explain the crater by her hypothesis.


9/11 Science: Craters and Explosive Damage
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/22/911-science-craters-produced-by-explosions-on-the-soil-surface/

[idiit]

9/11: Planes/No Planes and “Video Fakery”


During the research I have done on this question, some of the most important reasons to question the use of planes on 9/11 are (1) that Flights 11 and 77 were not even scheduled to fly that day and, (2) that, according to FAA Registration records I have in hand, the planes corresponding to Flights 93 and 175 were not deregistered until 28 September 2005, which raises the questions, “How can planes that were not in the air have crashed on 9/11?” and “How can planes that crashed on 9/11 have still been in the air four years later?” We have studies (3) by Elias Davidsson demonstrating that the government has never been able to prove that any of the alleged “hijackers” were aboard any of those planes and research (4) by A.K. Dewdney and by David Ray Griffin demonstrating that the purported phone calls from those planes were faked. And (5), as Col. George Nelson, USAF (ret.) has observed, although there are millions of uniquely identifiable components of those four planes, the government has yet to produce even one


The first to notice that American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 were not even scheduled to fly on 9/11 was the brilliant Australian blues musician, Gerard Holmgren, who was interviewed by David West on 27 June 2005. Others, such as Nick Kollerstrom, “9 Keys to 9/11”, have also reported the same difficulty with the government’s official account. If AA Flight 11 did not even take off from Boston’s Logan Airport on the morning of 9/11, then it cannot possibly have hit the North Tower around the 96th floor at 0846 hours and thereby brought about the death of its 92 passengers. And if AA Flight 77 did not take off from Dulles International on the morning of 9/11, then it, also, cannot have crashed into the Pentagon at 0940 hours and thereby brought about the death of its 64 passengers. Yet that is what the data that Holmgren discovered in the Bureau of Transportation Statistics shows to have been the case. In his new book, 9/11: ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC (2011), Edward Hendrie has published the data tables for both of these alleged flights, where it turns out that the BTS subsequently revised their tables with partial data in order to cover up their absence. For Flight 77, for example:


Even more surprisingly, however, Pilots has also determined that United Flight 175 was in the air in the vicinity of Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, PA, at the time it was purportedly crashing into the South Tower in New York City. This may come as quite a shock to those who watched as it entered the South Tower on television. Indeed, when an FBI official was asked why the NTSB, for the first time in its history, had not investigated any of these four crashes, he replied that it wasn’t necessary “because we saw them on television”. Well, we didn’t see the Shanksville crash or the Pentagon crash on TV, which leaves us wondering what we did see on television on 9/11.

lots more in a very detailed analysis from jim fetzer:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/01/911-planesno-planes-and-video-fakery/

[observer]

The only "crator" at the WTC was the missing area under the building. There were several levels of structure BELOW GRADE that included shopping areas, causeways, and subway tunnels; it was all there before the tower collapse. There was no specific "crator" below these levels.

Dr. Wood's description of a "high energy weapon" caused more than 90% of the structure to turn into dust. That would include the several levels of structure under the building as well. These below grade levels were an integral part of the structure. The remaining debris simply fell into the hole that was created when the entire building was converted to dust with a high energy weapon.

There was also volumes of thermite residue documented.

Follow the evidence.

[idiit]

there was a huge/deep melted granite crater in the nearly solid granite bedrock under the twin towers. here's a googled "melted granite 9/11" search result:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=melted+granite+9%2F11

lots of images to look at.


AMERICA'S DIRTY NUCLEAR SECRET, THE MELTED GRANITE CRATER AT "GROUND ZERO" BENEATH THE WORLD TRADE CENTER


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/02/21/dimitri-khalezov-gordon-duff-and-kevin-barrett-nuclear-terrorism/

the myth that there was no melted granite ( glassined) at the twin towers site is refuted by many many articles and documented by pics.

[Selkie]

I don't think nukes did this,

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image300.jpg

or this,

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/911wtc6craterwestair.jpg

or this,

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image147.jpg

or this,

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image303.jpg

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam4.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

for those of you who watched the first video, at 22:30 he states in the bible, the Prophecy of Elam, it is written God is going to re-establish his throne in Elam, which is modern day Kurdistan in Iran stretching to it's capital in Erbil Iraq. my Bro-in-Law Barzan's family was Kurdistan's Monarch who was from this region.

Through Divine Destiny, David a non-bloodline King currently sits on Kurdistan's throne...

Kerry did good bringing this forward, many of you have heard me speak of Kurdistan over the years, he does a very good job of explaining how all of this ties together.

an hour after posting this last night a 6.6 slammed south of us in Mexico

local time: 02:14:12.3 2015-09-13

that's about when I fell asleep after posting it, when my Spirit/subconscious took over...

it's kinda scary being me...

[idiit]

I don't think nukes did this,

I posted links to the granite bedrock glassined.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/02/21/dimitri-khalezov-gordon-duff-and-kevin-barrett-nuclear-terrorism/

^ here's one. scroll down 15% to the picture. judy wood's hypothesis nor "high octane diesel aka jet fuel" can do this to granite bedrock.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Or, as with the most excellent and all-too-real second Captain America movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843866/), maybe the octopus is a Hydra, with many heads. It's like asking who wanted JFK removed. There may have been many factions all in agreement, for different but aligned reasons.

Well said,

This is why there had to be no mistakes on that day with all these factions involved. There were indeed many mistakes but all in all the towers fell and the world was stunned. Job done.
I do believe they had extra planes just in case one missed one of the towers.

Same with JFK, so many mistakes but world is stunned and job is done.
But if those shots kept missing like they did, I wouldn't be surprised if they would of just stopped the car and a guy just pulls out a shot gun and jumps on the bonnet and blasts JFK's head clean off and then himself... maybe this was plan F, but one thing we do know. They had to happen on those specific dates.

[observer]

From here: (http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/lava.htm)
"....the lighter the color of the rock, the lower the melting point. More generally, lava is typically between 900 and 1200C (1600F to 2200F).. say about the temperature of molten iron (1200C) , but not as hot as steel (1400C [or 2552F])...."

Iron Oxide Thermite burns at about 2500 C, or 4532 F, temperatures far in excess of the melting point of most rock.

What brought-down the towers is a complex issue, but documented evidence found at the site indicates thermite residue was discovered in quantities.

It is known that, for several months prior to 9/11, "renovations" that included new fireproofing to the steel members was ongoing. Many researchers conclude that this was when a thermite-based coating was applied to the structure.

Additionally, the temperatures reached by a "directed energy weapon" - such as the one suggested by Dr. Judy Wood - are unknown. However, consider the fact that paint was burned off parked cars several blocks from the site, and 90% of the structure was turned to dust, and then speculate what temperatures might have been reached by a directed energy weapon.

From my point of view, using information from Veterans Today as evidence in an argument is dubious at best.

Watch the Judy Wood Video, "Where Did The Towers Go", and then get back to us.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqbcsU0_RjU

[araucaria]

We remember the Conan Doyle story of the hound of Baskerville that did not bark. Two of the biggest, IMO, issues raised by Judy Wood and seldom mentioned elsewhere are things that didn’t happen on 911.
One is the ‘Bathtub’: the 20 metre-deep concrete box that served as the WTC foundations. There were fears of damage to it that would cause the Hudson River to flood the area and indeed the entire NY subway system. These fears proved ungrounded. Hence Wood’s end list of 43 unexplained FACTS includes #29 and #30:

29. FACT: The method of destruction in the case of each tower minimized damage to the bathtub and adjacent buildings, whereas terrorists would have been expected to maximize damage, including that of infrastructure.
30. FACT: The protective bathtub was not significantly damaged by the destruction of the Twin Towers. What a wasted opportunity to cause huge loss of life and destruction. But this is possibly nothing compared to the potential loss of life and destruction from the other unmentioned event: Hurricane Erin: “On the morning of September 11, the storm stopped at its closest approach to New York City, then in the afternoon it veered dramatically to the east“ (Wood, p. 396; her emphasis). This hurricane makes #1 on the fact list:

1. FACT: Although Hurricane Erin was located just off Long Island throughout the day of 9/11/01, both the approach in days before and the presence of the storm on that day went almost totally unreported. Hurricane Erin was omitted on the morning weather map, even though that portion of the Atlantic Ocean where she stood was covered by the map. Astronauts gazing down said they could see the drifting plume from the destruction of WTC2 and WTC1 but made no mention of the highly visible Erin. WHY? Erin was heading straight for New York City until the morning of 911 when it made a 90-degree turn, the midpoint of which and closest to the city was at 8:46 a.m. (WTC1 being holed at 8:46:26).
Here is a map from Wood’s p. 410:


31124


I am not interested (at least not right now) in where the technical discussion goes on this issue, beyond the simple fact of two synchronous events. We are way beyond coincidence here: if there were no connection, then hurricane warnings would have been issued. If we rule out coincidence, this points to some cause-and-effect influence: either the plane hitting WTC1 diverted the hurricane (how would it do that?) or the hurricane was somehow harnessed to carry out the attacks. Work out how it was done by all means, but this fact alone is proof that the terrorism we are dealing with is not the failed-Cessna-pilot-with-boxcutter variety but state-level terrorism with weather control at its fingertips.

[ThePythonicCow]

It's unfortunate, in my view, that Judy Wood got interested in what could have been the mechanism used to dustify the towers and in speculations regarding the use of directed energy.

Her book Where Did the Towers Go? (http://smile.amazon.com/dp/0615412564) is an important compilation of evidence of what actually happened to the towers, with a preponderance of evidence and a minimum of speculation ... until she gets to the directed energy part, and then the ratio reverses. I suspect that she's right about the directed energy involvement, but there's a dearth of evidence in the public domain, which makes it easy to ridicule and discount such discussions, and casts a pale over the bulk of her work, which provides invaluable evidence of what actually happened.

I recommend reading her book and studying the many images - look for yourself - skip the directed energy parts - just look at the buildings explode into fine dust and a few high velocity ejected large steel beams - all in the space of about 10 seconds per building.

Thermite simply doesn't explain that ... it lacks the extreme power generation required (power being rate of energy production) in those 10 seconds per building, and the sustained heat generation beneath the pile for months following.

There may or may not have even been any thermite involved - the claims I've seen lacked an adequate chain of evidence and passed through experts such as Stephen Jones who have been notorious for their work for the dark side. But that doesn't matter ... if thermite was present, it could have only played a minor supporting role.

Something, using physics and mechanisms that are not well known in the public domain, dustified those buildings.

The smaller the particles you break something into, the more bonds have to be broken, and the more energy is required. Converting 100 million tons of steel and concrete to mostly fine dust in 10 + 10 == 20 seconds requires an incredible amount of energy, very fast ... extreme power.

(I use the words "energy" and "power" above in the sense that I learned in physics courses.)

[observer]

As a clarification of a point, in comment #53 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85175-14th-Anniversary-9-11-questions&p=998817&viewfull=1#post998817), I was not suggesting thermite was the primary culprit, rather I believe thermite was left to contaminate the trail of evidence to divert attention away from the primary culprit.

The mention of thermite was to show that, if it had been a 'thermite job', than thermite alone would have been enough to melt the foundational rock.

The fact that the 'bathtub' envelope was not penetrated suggests an obvious trail of evidence of a 'directed energy weapon', although, I have no idea how that would work.

Additionally, it lessens the likelihood of any sort of nuclear device. Even the smallest nuclear package would have done damage to the structural integrity of the "bathtub", and it would have sent a mushroom cloud high into the atmosphere. This nuclear cloud is the fingerprint of a nuclear detonation. These simply didn't happen.

Despite the flaws that Paul has pointed-out in parts of Dr. Judy Wood's thesis, directed energy weapons must have been what was deployed.

No one, outside of the break-away civilization behind 9/11, has any access to such data on a directed energy weapon.

[Rocky_Shorz]

no Annyversary of 9/11 thread would be complete, without a video of the first plane hitting the twin towers, click the blue arrow for a previous discussion going over details of thermo nukes...






we've all seen the street workers video of the first plane hit, but I ran across this one which is from a different angle, the explosion looks huge compared to the other video...

can you tell if this one has the unit attached under the belly?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxTB3B3XPEI#t=41

at 42 secs, the back blew out before the plane finished hitting...
Wow! That's not the second plane hitting the south tower. That's the first plane, hitting the north tower (as you noted). It is taken from across the Hudson river, so the north tower, the one with the radio tower, is to the left. The sun (9 AM in the morning) is shining on the south side (the right side) of each tower, and the west side (left side from this view) is still in the shadow.

This is only the second video I have ever seen of the first, north tower, impact. The first such video being a well known shot by the French Naudet brothers film crew, while shooting a documentary from the streets of Manhattan.

Here are six still frames from the point right around the impact, extracted from the above video.

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame1.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame2.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame3.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame4.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame5.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame6.png
The resolution is too poor to identify the flying object, but it is about the right length for the American Airlines Flight 11 Boeing 767-223ER that supposedly hit the north tower. Such a plane is 160 feet long, and each twin tower was 64 meters on a side so had about a 150 foot diagonal.

The erupting explosion does indeed happen quickly, seemingly too quickly.

Here is a still from the better known video shot by Jules Naudet:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Firstplane.jpg

[observer]

"DUSTIFICATION"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb2i8R5YlRk
Thermite doesn't cause this....

[mgray]

Taking a quick scan of the thread the 4 questions posed have not been dealt with. I guess they are more difficult than I thought.

[heyokah]

Taking a quick scan of the thread the 4 questions posed have not been dealt with. I guess they are more difficult than I thought.
I will take the effort to repeat your questions.

1. What brought down WTC 7 some 8 hours after the planes hit the tower?
2. What hit the Pentagon?
3. Why did “The Pile” burn for 6 months afterward if 90% of the contents of the buildings evaporated into dust on the day of the attack?
3.In a “follow the money” scenario, who gained from the 9/11 attacks?

How about post #20 and #42 ? As far as your point 4, to start with.....

Yes, watching long videos takes some courage, I know :wink:

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Yesterday I was talking with someone about the 33 bloodlines, about how Turkey is attacking Kurdistan and how #isis was created for the purpose of stealing ancient artifacts to make the history of Kurdistan and the beginning of Jewish religion disappear.

We spoke of 9/11 and everyone involved from Cheney, Bush, Israel and Saudi Arabia were behind these attacks to bring the middle east to the point it is now.

I said I was very disappointed in Islam and the Leaders of Mecca for causing all of these problems, their King knows I was depending on them to bring the main religions together...

Today a friend here on Avalon sent me a link to the interviews Kerry did with a Kurd...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm65i1eQpCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycEx1BNAB7Y

Everything I had spoke of...

now I just ran across the story, of Mecca getting hit by lightning...

without anything here in black and white, we will never know if 1 hour before this strike was when I was speaking of being disappointed with Islam...

http://whatdoesitmean.com/drn2.jpg

When I demanded the Catholic Church make changes, the Pope resigned immediately after, and the Vatican was hit an hour later...

ET's are surrounding us, we are approaching a critical moment, the reason we are all gathered... We have been waiting a few thousand years, how many billions of years have they been waiting?

I was going to bring the 33 bloodline thread back to the surface to continue where it was left for years, time to revisit so much we have discussed before... but it is closed, so I am stepping in here...

this happened on the 14th anniversary of 9/11 7+7 107 Killed, another 7, just a coincidence?

The Catholic Church has been struck, Mecca has been struck, God demands the world religions comes together...

so many faithful with signs they have all been watching for, walking blind...

what will it take to wake up this world, two of the top religions have been struck, at their most holiest of spots...

all that remains is Israel...

3 religions, one God and all these wars because each think theirs is best.

It's time for change.

“His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles.” Psalm 97:4

yesterday, on the 14th anniversary of 9/11, this photo was taken over the twin towers location.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/drn1.jpg

World leaders are meeting this month

the Will of God is Peace

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/drn4.jpg

Tomb of the Virgin Mary in Murree Pakistan

Thankyou Rocky! Just commented on this in Camilos thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85247-Benjamin-Fulford-September-15th-2015&p=999146#post999146wondering why noone had mentioned this incredible synchronicity of the Mecca accident up til then and now I find this! Nowhere in Swedsih mainstream media there's been mentioned that it was a lightning that struck! (Only bad weather and rain) Just like in the Vatican! Suppose David Wilcock will mention this next time in his blog since he's the only one whistleblowing I know of taking Synchronicity into consideration while history evolves.

As I came back to the Forum I posted in The Here and Now thread wondering what orthodox Muslims might think of this? Will they think they are being punished by Allah?

Yesterday a Muslim from Sweden was interviewed on radio about him going to Mecca. He then said he was saying goodbye to his children since he would never be sure he would come back if Allah had decided for him to die :facepalm: Does this mean orthodox muslims are just accepting this "acccident" as Allahs Will and not questionning why they are being punished; like an orthodox Christian or a Jew would most likely do?

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Russia Presents Evidence Against US, UK and Israel As Being the Actual 9/11 Terrorist


It's possible the Russians can fill in some of the gaps. I thought this might be a good addition to what we already know.


http://worldtruth.tv/russia-presents-evidence-against-us-uk-and-israel-as-being-the-actual-911-terrorist/

[Wind]

I certainly trust these remote viewers to be correct, I have the full video too.

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[Billy]

I have moved the last 5 posts of this thread into a new thread where you can continue with the conversation on topic.

You can find the moved posts here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85286-Does-Israel-have-a-divine-Claim-to-the-land-of-Cannan&p=999275

Regards

Billy

[fbs_brazil]

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[ Mod-edit: Press TV’s full interview with Dr. Richard Gage, an architect and CEO of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. (Youtube description, added by Paul.) ]

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Thursday, September 17, 2015
9/11: Even the frames from the Pentagon were faked


excellent frame by frame with analysis article. short, easy read.

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/09/911-even-frames-from-pentagon-were-faked.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

At 1:30 to the right of the building you can see a white plane cross into the picture before hitting the building, is resolution high enough for a capture? It looks more like the cruise missile that hit the Pentagon than a 757.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwKQXsXJDX4