Bill Ryan's interview with REBEKAH ROTH, 11 September, 2015

[Hervé]

[...] - take Makow as a possible example -
[...]

Well, Henry Makow might not be the best example since he is a Jew, raised as a Jew and held those views until he started thinking for himself...

Anyway,

:focus:

[Rocky_Shorz]

if you hate the Jews who directed the Nazis to kill Jews in the Holocaust to create Israel, are you anti-semitic?

Is it anti semitic because I stated I hated a few Jews, or because it brought up the validity of Israel?

is it not true that it really doesn't matter, the term is used, just to derail important discussions?

when it comes down to it, the Jewish friends I have are far more antisemitic than any Christian, Muslim or Nazi.

so stop the games and let the discussion continue...

[idiit]

I gots a problem wid da Zionists.

I gots a problem wid those that don't distinguish between Hebrews and Zionists.

there are Christian Zionists. Zionists will put on any façade they deem appropriate to hide the fact that they are actually closet luciferians.

[onawah]

Harald Kautz-Vella shared some info about the Jews and Zionists recently, though it's impossible to verify anything about his sources as yet.
See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83617-Bases-46-Transhumanism-DNA-Technology-Chemtrails-Alien-AI-and-Black-Goo&p=1004466&viewfull=1#post1004466


Here are my new questions for him, which I posted on his Facebook page:

Harald, I don't know if you are willing to continue answering our questions about the recent information that you have received, but if so, I have more! Thank you!
Have some Earth souls who did not come here with the Jewish/Zionist group of souls incarnated at times in the Jewish/Zionist bloodlines?
Or do all souls that incarnate as Jews/Zionists here only come from that original group?
If the latter is the case, then what is the reason for the varying number of Jews on the planet at any given time in our history, if this is the only planet they are allowed to incarnate on?
Is the whole history of the Jews in the Bible inaccurate , or just the part about Jesus and his family?
What about the accuracy of the Sumerian scrolls regarding the Annunaki that Zecharia Sitchin translated?
I think that for many, an important part of our process so far has been learning the truth (whenever possible! ) about our history on this planet.
Thanks again

[transiten]

I gots a problem wid da Zionists.

I gots a problem wid those that don't distinguish between Hebrews and Zionists.

there are Christian Zionists. Zionists will put on any façade they deem appropriate to hide the fact that they are actually closet luciferians.

Yes, all Zionists are not Jews and all Jews are not Zionists....

[Michelle Marie]

I don't understand the Jews/Zionist thing. But to me, those labels don't show what's in a person's heart.

The heart is such a powerful technology. When I read Methodical Deception, it felt good in my heart to put some pieces together that felt true. She names names and companies. She is brave and I like where this is going...toward more specific truth revelations.

What she brings up will lead to further investigation and truth revelations.

I love that she is going after the truth about geoengineering now.

Lots of love,
Michelle Marie

[Tara]

Is this the latest interview Bill made?

Thx anyone... :-=?

[RunningDeer]

Is this the latest interview Bill made?

Thx anyone... :-=?

I’m guessing yes based on Bill's AlphaZebra YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/AlphaZebra/videos) channel.
For instructions on how to subscribe see post #23 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66104-How-to-Tips-with-Visuals-for-Links-Quotes-Images-etc.&p=850105&viewfull=1#post850105).

[Slorri]

Have you folks noticed that there seems to have started a massive "witch hunt" of sorts to find Rebekah's true identity? Several institutions are going after her. http://www.talknetwork.com has dropped her show.

[ThePythonicCow]

Have you folks noticed that there seems to have started a massive "witch hunt" of sorts to find Rebekah's true identity? Several institutions are going after her. http://www.talknetwork.com has dropped her show.
I first noticed this effort in early November 2015, with this post: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle) -- Post #144 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80910-Where-Did-the-Planes-Go--Rebekah-Roth-exposes-another-piece-of-the-9-11-puzzle-&p=1018173&viewfull=1#post1018173).

I listened to several of Rebekah's shows on TalkNetwork.com. She referred to this effort now and then, with scorn, avoiding any details that would either collaborate or refute the accusation.

Other than as a way to ridicule her, I have yet to see how this effort, of which Jim Fetzer has been a leading participant, reflects one way or the other on the research and insights that Rebekah Roth has provided us regarding 9/11.

My conclusion for some time has been that Jim Fetzer is holding down a "limited hangout" for 9/11, which acknowledges some things, but ridicules or hides some more important things, such as who were the real powers behind 9/11. I figure that Rebekah Roth went "too far", past that limited hangout position, closer to the truth that must not be spoken, so is being attacked by the reliable (to his masters) Jim Fetzer. If the only attack they can find so far is exposing and ridiculing some other name and business she might have been involved with in the past, then that speaks fairly well for Rebekah and the truth she's uncovering and sharing with us.

I don't know why Mike Adams, et al, dropped Rebekah Roth from TalkNetwork.com, but their catty remark "We wish Rebekah (or whatever her real name is) the greatest success somewhere else." suggests that it is on account of these same allegations that she's also been known as Monika Gainor. My suspicious nature has suspected for some time now that Mike Adams has "made a deal with the devil", in which he can pursue certain "alternative" medical, nutritional, and political views, so long as he doesn't go "too far". That would be consistent, in my mind, with him dropping Rebekah now, on account of her going "too far".

However it is quite possible, so far as I know, that it was Rebekah, not Mike, who made the decision to discontinue her TalkNetwork.com presence, and that the "whatever her real name is" was just a bit of good natured humor.

I continue to value highly the new insights and research that Rebekah has provided us regarding 9/11. Whether or not she was selling essential oils on the Internet a year ago under another name doesn't change that one iota.

Much of the above is just hunches on my part ... read with a big grain of salt.

[Cardillac]

t never ceases to amaze me how truth-tellers continue to be de-famed (even on this website which disheartens me greatly); why can people not see this (including this website)?- has anyone on this website actually even bothered to read Rebekah Roth's "Methodical Illusion"?-

then delve into the recent German Wings plane disaster a few months ago where a supposed "suicidal co-pilot" (officious story stinks to high heaven) managed to lock the pilot after he went to the loo out of the cockpit; according to R. Roth this would not be possible as all flight attendents have access to a 2-7 digital code number that gain them neccessary access to the cockpit at all times;

and this women is a CIA agent?!- common, folks, this woman is for real- and she's being defamed under every name-calling, defamation of character available- why can't people see this? (just because a youtube video is available defamating her character doesn't mean the media is correct- why can't most realize this?- hey, folks, youtube is the same as Television)-

Larry

[ThePythonicCow]

common, folks, this woman is for real
Agreed ... Rebekah has chosen not to tell us very many details of her personal life and history, but she's spot on with her 9/11 research.

From a skype chat between Bill and myself a couple of hours ago:

Bill: It's just unfortunate... this is the internet jury doing its thing. ... Very hard to win.
Paul: Someone's winning ... we're talking about Rebekah's credibility, not about who planted pyrotechnics in the towers and where the planes went :bigsmile:
Bill: EXACTLY :bigsmile:
Bill: Or — how the cellphone calls were made. I don't care if Rebekah/Sara is Minnie Mouse, her presentation still fits all the facts.

[Gardener]

Why does it matter 'who' she is exactly anyway? Her message is well researched and her clarity and delivery is exceptional. Its only my opinion and I make no appology but.......'Jim Fetzer/etc' - words like 'damage control' and 'envy' spring to mind, when it would be more appropriate if they were to work together on Rebekah's information rather than diss the person they imagine she is.

[Slorri]

She is well advised to use a nom de plume in a case like this. Just look at the death records following the JFK assassination, and as far as I can understand, 911 is a vastly more devastating event.

[Slorri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiD9BstIbNc

[Gardener]

Here...Rebekah gives her name and detail of airline she worked for.

YiD9BstIbNc

[ThePythonicCow]

Here...Rebekah gives her name and detail of airline she worked for.
Yup - Rebekah reveals that she was a purser for Northwest Airlines, with a real name of Koreann Ashlie-Nourani.

[Gardener]

Very true Slorri, and what is more those trolls have endangered and implicated someone else who has no idea this is all taking place.

She is well advised to use a nom de plume in a case like this. Just look at the death records following the JFK assassination, and as far as I can understand, 911 is a vastly more devastating event.

[Atlas]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/monika.jpg
Source: http://agent-34871.pages.tourfactory.com/Home

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/rrmikeharris.jpg

https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/rrscreenshotmonika3.jpg

Source: https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/rebekah-roth/
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The above shows that Rebekah = Monika = KoreAnn.

[Mu2143]

It's On The Money
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[Ron Mauer Sr]

A pilot who had flown, as Pilot In Command, 757 aircraft, the same type of aircraft that supposedly hit the WTC and Pentagon, speaks out.

Some bullet points:


Where is the wreckage?
If a 757 hit the Pentagon there would be a hole from each engine. There was not.
An expert pilot could not fly a 757 in the "profile" reported by official sources. The pilot calls it a fairy tale.
And more ....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXA-enq65ng

[Bayareamom]

Wow. Just found this issue today re Rebekah Roth and needless to say, I'm rather shocked. I've tried reading thru various commentaries on this issue and then found (just now) Kurt Haskell's commentary. Didn't even recognize his name until I did a search on him. When I then remembered who Haskell is, I really took notice.

My gut instinct tells me Kurt IS telling the truth as to what he states he found on Rebekah. Apologies if someone has already posted this link to Haskell's website (though I've not seen it if it's been posted):

https://www.facebook.com/notes/kurt-richard-haskell/regarding-sara-rebekah-roth-monika-gainor/10153777993804709

SNIP:

"...Through my investigation I have discovered that Rebekah's real name is "Sara ---------------". I know her entire name but will not disclose it for privacy reasons. I have also learned much other information about "Sara" and will disclose some of it in this article. Some I will hold back and release later, if necessary, to counter any further mistruths that result from this posting. Trust me when I say I have the evidence to back up what is in this posting. I have no intention of damaging "Sara" but only have an intention to disclose to my followers what "Sara" says must be examined with extreme caution.

"Sara" just recently turned 59 years old. She likes to portray herself as a grandmotherly figure of age 65. That is not the case. In 1972, when she alleges her flight attendant career started, she was only 15 years old. By her own admission, flight attendants in the 1970's needed to be at least 21 years old because they needed to serve alcohol as part of their work duties. Thus, it is unlikely that she was a flight attendant in 1972. After graduating high school in 1974, "Sara" went on to college. While it is possible that "Sara" could have worked as a flight attendant and attended college at the same time, it is unlikely due to the challenge of attending college and making overnight flights out of town. Further, again, "Sara"did not turn 21 until late 1977. Thus, by her own admission, this would have disqualified "Sara" from becoming a flight attendant until late 1977..."

Also, please pay careful attention to the comments written below said article.

Someone's not telling the truth, here, but honestly, I don't believe the issue is with Kurt Haskell's investigation.

[Bayareamom]

Just found this fairly new blog/article as well. Although not written as well as Haskell's, this article definitely validates 'some' of Haskell's research. While I dislike vulgar language used in the below comments to this article, my hunch tells me that the person antagonizing the blogger MAY have been Roth herself. Lest anyone becomes upset with that statement, when reading all the comments to-date on not only these last two articles of which I've posted, but re other comments as well, it does appear that there is general agreement that any sort of criticism which comes Ms. Roth's way, is met with vulgar language on her part and immediate blocking, etc., on her FB page.

This is sad news for me. I have not read either one of her books, but I did listen to, in its entirety, Bill's interview with her, as well as other interviews she gave on this subject. I was impressed, but at the same time, I do admit I had a few questions of my own regarding some of her statements (which didn't exactly ring true to me at the time).

It's always disappointing to discover that someone we may have admired and trusted, may not be the person we initially thought them to be. At any rate, here is the latest blog/article I have just found:

https://serourstrikesback.wordpress.com/2015/12/25/fraud-files-rebekah-roth/

SNIP:

"It was just a little over a year ago that I had come in contact with Rebekah Roth. She had sent me a private message on Facebook introducing herself as an author with a new book coming out entitled Methodical Illusion which was going to be released as a fictional book with truths about the events of 9/11. She agreed to call me and explain her story to me as she knew I had a radio show called Wake Up To The Truth Radio on Blogtalk and wanted to be a guest on our show. Our phone conversation was a 3 way conference call which included myself, Rebekah, and my co-host Eric Wilkinson. The story she told us was absolutely amazing as she let us into her world as a flight attendant and now retired after 30 years.

She told us about her knowledge of government documents that provides evidence that 9/11 was in fact an inside job. My very first thought was “there’s no way that the government would have documents proving they were involved” I knew they would have most certainly covered their tracks much better than that. However, we continued to listen to her and agreed to give Rebekah her first interview ever. In fact, we took it a step further and gave her Monday through Friday and 2 hour segments. We even called it The Methodical Illusion Series..."

[ThePythonicCow]

Wow. Just found this issue today re Rebekah Roth and needless to say, I'm rather shocked. I've tried reading thru various commentaries on this issue and then found (just now) Kurt Haskell's commentary. Didn't even recognize his name until I did a search on him. When I then remembered who Haskell is, I really took notice.
Rebekah Roth has replied to Kurt's claims a few days ago, as posted by Gardener above in Post #266 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1032666&viewfull=1#post1032666), and myself in the following Post #267 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1032671&viewfull=1#post1032671).

Rebekah Roth, or someone speaking on her behalf, also attempted yesterday to post a response from Rebekah onto Jim Fetzer's blog (http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/11/rebekahs-methodical-illusion-may-be.html). Jim Fetzer was the first one to bring Kurt Haskell's claims public, in an interview Fetzer did of Kurt, as reported in the separate thread Rebekah Roth - possible CIA agent (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87762-Rebekah-Roth-possible-CIA-agent). This post on Fetzer's blog defending Rebekah has been deleted. Apparently Fetzer does not want Rebekah to have the right of response on his blog.

I was able to get a copy of this post, now deleted, on Fetzer's blog. Here it is:

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Published on Dec 26, 2015

Since the release of my first novel Methodical Illusion I have been gang stalked by a group of internet trolls, they have accused over a dozen people of being me, posted people's home addresses on the internet, and endangered my friends and family.

They Claim I never worked as a Flight attendant and that I am a fraud, well, here is your proof of what airline I worked for for 31 years and my rank as flight attendant and purser.

They also claim I am a secret agent for the CIA, but clearly anyone who has read my books knows that is insane to even suggest. They claim I am a chemist and that is also untrue. I started my flight career in 1973 and left in 2004.

I wrote my novels exposing the truth that I had discovered using US government data, and nearly a terabyte of Freedom of Information Act releases that any interested 911 researcher could have requested, they didn't.

Inside the government documents I uncovered shocking information that I knew would endanger my life and my family and friends. I chose to keep myself out of the picture, after all, it was all about the truth about 911 not about me.
Trolls however think differently, they think IF they can claim I was never an airline employee, that what I wrote in my novels could not be real or true, perhaps they are working for the real perpetrators of 911?

They have not just attacked the messenger to kill the message but in their incompetence they have endangered women that probably don't even know the books exist.

Nobody should tolerate this type of behavior. And I do not. I have legal counsel and will pursue this as a legal matter should this character assassination over two novels continue.

You can purchase autographed books at:
www.methodicalillusion.com
www.methodicaldeception.com
www.RebekahRoth.com

My future shows will show up here, please subscribe so you get notified when new shows are posted.

I will be sharing some of the new information that has been uncovered by a group of dedicated Americans that want to know the truth and have helped me to sift through the FOIA data. These are Military, special ops, DARPA, air traffic controllers, pilots, flight attendants and pursers from airlines in the USA and around the world.

To those of you more interested in the truth and have experienced family and friends wake up after reading the Methodical Illusion, I thank you for your continued support in getting the truth out to the public.

Thank you for sharing this video and for exposing the trolls that have endangered innocent people in their hate and vitriol.
~ Rebekah Roth

The Rebekah Roth Show ~ Truth Out (Youtube video of Rebekah responding to Kurt's claims) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiD9BstIbNc)
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My current view, consistent with what I've recently posted before:

Yes, Rebekah has been using a nom de plume for her 9/11 work. That's not her real name.
Rebekah is gaining public traction, exposing aspects of 9/11 that some of the bastards in power want to keep hidden in the fog of 9/11 conspiracy theory confusions.
There is a smear campaign, with Jim Fetzer prominently involved, to attack Rebekah and distract us from these real issues of 9/11.
Yes, Kurt Haskell comes across as more level headed and credible sounding than Fetzer does.
But Kurt got some major details wrong, which Rebekah is now correcting, and Kurt has gotten himself entangled in a smear campaign.
Rebekah has not yet chosen to public address claims that she is the same person as Monika Gainor who until a year ago was selling doTerra essential oils on a website known as pHix Your Health. I've not stated this publicly before, but I have reasons to believe that this claim is credible.

At first they ignore you, then they ridicule and attack you, then you win. We are in phase 2 ... the ridicule and ad hominem attacks.

Stay focused on the real perpetrators of 9/11 as one significant false flag in a long standing effort to subject humanity to tyranny.

[ThePythonicCow]

I moved six posts to the off topic: Split thread from Bill Ryan's new interview with REBEKAH ROTH (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87928-Split-thread-from-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH).

[ThePythonicCow]

I split off another nine posts to the off-topic Another split from the Rebekah Roth interview thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87945-Another-split-from-the-Rebekah-Roth-interview-thread).

[norman]

I hope this isn't too off-topic ...

covertreport radio program


EPISODE #179



AIRED: 01-03-2016



http://truthfrequencyradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/150_1451850780.jpgToday’s show erupted into a heated debate over who is Rebekah Roth, author of Methodical Illusion and Methodical Deception– charlatan, spy or truth telling agitant? Most importantly, who is she fronting for? Many of us cheered Rebekah, aka Monika Gaynor, aka KoreAnn Ashlee, for her outspoken criticism of Israel’s role in 9/11, as a joint CIA-Mossad operation. Your intrepid host, former CIA Asset Susan Lindauer, assures listeners there’s no coincidence in the Intelligence world. Factions inside the intelligence community are engaged in a war over Washington’s relationship with Israel at this very moment– and the timing of Rebekah’s disclosures can be no accident. However, as we discover, there’s no shortage of debate about Rebekah Roth herself. There’s wild disagreement among those who have exposed her multiple personas. Is she a charlatan? Is she a CIA spy? Is she pandering for her husband? Today’s guests are Jim Fetzer, Allen Powell from Australia and Scott Bennett, who incite a highly spirited debate on those very questions. Jim Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth vigorously defends the No-Planes thesis, which Rebekah’s story dismantles. Allen Powell talks about Rebekah’s phony identities and dependence on her husband. Scott Bennett talks about psy-ops, which has tremendous significance. And your faithful host, Susan Lindauer, rejects the idea that Rebekah Roth is possibly a CIA plant, because she’s completely incapable of tolerating scrutiny of her theories, which is anathema to any intelligence person— However,Lindauer suspects that Rebekah is being fronted by somebody with deep intelligence knowledge of the intricacies of the 9/11 story. One thing’s for certain: Rebekah loathes scrutiny and has demanded that her “Army of Supporters” should use “violence, bullying and harassment” to attack anybody who examines her work. She urged her “Army” to attack Chris Geo’s Youtube channel after he posted an interview with the man who claims Rebekah stole his original research, then offered the full data base on-line for all 9/11 Truthers to review. Did she steal it?? Or did someone else hand it off to Rebekah?? Should 9/11 truthers reject all of Rebekah’s theses, because of her use of this fake identity? If she’s part of an Intelligence attack on Washington’s relationship Israel, like your Intrepid Host, Susan Lindauer thinks, then something bigger is happening. Whatever YOU think, this is a powerful show.



http://truthfrequencyradio.com/covert-report-susan-lindauer-61401/

[ThePythonicCow]

She urged her “Army” to attack Chris Geo’s Youtube channel after he posted an interview with the man who claims Rebekah stole his original research, then offered the full data base on-line for all 9/11 Truthers to review. Did she steal it?? Or did someone else hand it off to Rebekah??

I've managed to track down the truth of this claim against Rebekah Roth. Jim Fetzer, Kurt Haskell and Chris Geo are all saying that Rebekah Roth "stole" a terabyte of data obtained using a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the US government. Chris Geo has posted a snippet of a Skype chat that he had with Max Igan, in which Chris asks Max if he can name from whom Rebekah stole the data, and Max replies "David Cole".

I have just now personally spoken with this very David Cole at length on this matter, and read carefully Rebekah's published details of how she got the data. The details from both parties line up entirely consistently.

Rebekah Roth did not steal that data from David Cole. Full stop. Did not happen that way.

At David's suggestion, Rebekah shipped a one terabyte disk drive to David, who copied the FOIA data (some 600 or 700 gigabytes worth, I forget exactly now) onto the drive, and shipped it to the address Rebekah provided (for a postage fee of $9.11, which both parties have stated, without prompting, and without knowing the other party had stated that.)

The transfer was willing and without regret, exactly as both parties have stated.

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In another issue with the smear campaign against Rebekah Roth, there is a serious discrepancy in Kurt Haskell's claim that Rebekah is really someone named Sara, who had a long work history not involving the airlines at all.

Chris Geo repeats Kurt Haskell's claim that Rebekah is really Sara someone, but then Chris -also- links to an (and I quote Chris Geo literally) "Obit of Sara/Rebekah/Monika/KoreAnn/Kristy’s mother" (http://www.memorialobituaries.com/memorials/memorials.cgi?action=Obit&memid=208074&clientid=flint), which lists the survivors of the deceased, including a daughter named "Koreann Ashlie (Kristy)", directly contradicting Haskell's claim that Rebekah is really Sara someone. This is entirely consistent with Rebekah's recent defense of herself, saying that her real name is Koreann Ashlie, that she is not any such Sara and that she doesn't know who that person is. Kurt's investigation ran off the rails on that "Sara" detail, which was the basis for much of his analysis of Rebekah's past work history not being (Kurt claimed) anywhere near the airline business.

It is highly unlikely that if someone's real name was Sara, then their name would be listed as Koreann Ashlie in their mother's obituary. It is far more likely that their real name really was Koreann Ashlie, as they claim it to be.

This pretty much destroys much of what Kurt Haskell brought to this smear campaign against Rebekah.

That Chris Geo, who published both details in his post explaining why he was smearing Rebekah would have missed this glaring discrepancy suggests to me that Chris was getting carried away with attacking Rebekah, rather than fact checking what he reported for consistency.

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P.S. Reading Kurt Haskell's expose of Rebekah again (here (https://www.facebook.com/notes/kurt-richard-haskell/regarding-sara-rebekah-roth-monika-gainor/10153777993804709) and here (https://www.facebook.com/notes/kurt-richard-haskell/part-2-of-regarding-sara-rebekah-rothmonika-gainor/10153784402099709)), he's claiming that Koreann Ashlie and Sara are two distinct people, and that Sara lives in Keller, Texas and is the real Rebekah Roth, not Koreann Ashlie. I am quite certain that Rebekah is actually, as she now claims, Koreann Ashlie, and I am quite certain that, as she now claims, Rebekah does not live in Texas. I found nothing but bald assertions to back Kurt's claims to the contrary. Even Kurt finds this dual identity (is she Koreann or is she Sara) confusing, but consistently spins all the confusions and inconsistencies in his expose as more evidence of Rebekah's duplicity. I can only read it as evidence of Kurt's duplicity.

[ThePythonicCow]

Kurt Haskell's claim that Rebekah is really someone named Sara
In Kurt Haskell's latest updates, posted on Avalon here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87762-Rebekah-Roth-possible-CIA-agent&p=1036161&viewfull=1#post1036161):

Kurt retracts his claim that Rebekah Roth is really Sara Rebecca "Becky" Bulla Folger living in Keller, Texas. Kurt now agrees that Becky Folger is a different person.
Kurt retracts his doubts that Rebekah Roth was not a flight attendant. Kurt now agrees that Rebekah was a flight attendant for many years.
Kurt retracts his claim that Rebekah Roth worked in "Protective Services Occupations"; apparently that was part of Becky Folger's work history.
Kurt explains how he confused Becky Folger with Rebekah, saying that a "reliable source" in the 9/11 truth movement in the Dallas area in Texas met a woman at a 9/11 meetup who claimed to be someone really named Becky Folger and who claimed to be writing under the pseudonym Rebekah Roth. That reliable source and Kurt now conclude that the woman at that meetup was not the real Becky Folger.

Kurt continued in this latest update however to go out of his way to speak ill of Rebekah Roth. He is however stopping further research into Rebekah Roth with this final update. Except for one more brief update expected in the coming week, from his "reliable source" in Texas, who is scheduled to talk with the real Becky Folger later this week, Kurt does not plan to discuss Rebekah Roth further.

What I continue to see is that Kurt Haskell (originally known as the truth seeker who exposed the "underwear bomber" hoax), as well as a few well known people in the 9/11 movement, have publicly taken strong stands against Rebekah Roth, removing Rebekah from their sites where applicable.

These people include Jim Fetzer, Pete Santilli, Mike Adams, Chris Geo, Max Igan, James Perloff, Allen Powell, Kev Baker, and, as noted, Kurt Haskell. Some of these people have been more persistent and adamant (Fetzer ... I'm looking at you) than others of them (such as Kurt, who has now retracted some of his earlier mistaken claims regarding Rebekah Roth and is now withdrawing from this attack on Rebekah.)

I suspect that such researchers have come to rely on "reliable sources" a bit too much, and that some agents (perhaps from a small country in the eastern Mediterranean, as Jim Willie might say) are either feeding these researchers false information, or otherwise "persuading" them to turn against Rebekah.

In any case, the basis for these people so publicly withdrawing support from Rebekah Roth and turning to attack her seems quite slim to me. So far, about the only claims I have heard against Rebekah Roth that I find credible are that her real name is not Rebekah Roth, that she has been wearing a wig, that she sold essential oils in 2014 and before under the moniker "Monika Gainor", and that she was angrily uncooperative with anyone in the 9/11 truth movement who doubted her story.

I remain certain that Rebeka did not "steal" data from David Cole (see my previous post above), and she does not live in Texas (I have clear confirmation of that from multiple separate means.) Rebeka was a flight attendant for many years, as she has repeatedly claimed and as she has repeatedly demonstrated by her detailed familiarity with that profession.

Also, the claim that she is CIA because Jim Fetzer tells us that Dennis Cimino told him that Dennis tracked an IP address that Rebekah was using in a web chat with Dennis to Langley, Virginia is not credible to me. If you were really CIA and really trying to hide it, would you set up your web proxy server to come from Langley, Virginia? Hardly ... any place but there! I also agree with former CIA Asset Susan Lindauer, who posted here (http://truthfrequencyradio.com/covert-report-susan-lindauer-61401/) that she "rejects the idea that Rebekah Roth is possibly a CIA plant, because she’s completely incapable of tolerating scrutiny of her theories, which is anathema to any intelligence person." Also, I have learned over the years to be very careful with third hand (someone told someone told me) unverifiable information. A high proportion of such innuendo is false.

What Rebekah has told us, such as where the 9/11 planes really went (Westover Air Force Base, in western Massachusetts) and regarding heavy involvement of Israeli intelligence services (such as Mossad) in 9/11, continues to ring true to me, give or take some minor details.

Kurt Haskell, in this latest and final update on this matter, actually agrees in part with what I have suspected. Kurt suspects that someone deliberately leaked some damaging information via a flawed spokesperson, Rebekah, so that they could then discredit that leaked information by attacking the source, Rebekah. Exactly. What Kurt does not go on to say, but that seems to be a natural consequence of what he suspects, is that this means that a good part of what Rebekah is telling us is actually true, and hence something that some (Israeli intelligence agents?) would want to discredit. If that's what those agents were up to, they have succeeded rather well ... we're spending our time trying to discredit or defend Rebekah, not looking into what really happened with 9/11 and who was behind it.

[Dennis Leahy]

Thanks, Paul, for the depth of your research. The "truth seeker" crowd is (understandably) cautious about who is telling the truth and who is not. Sadly, this should be discernment but ends up becoming a whistleblower witch-hunt, causing near-impenetrable cognitive dissonance in the accuser-crowd, or at least leaving the whistleblower swirling in a fog of controversy. I have friends that INSIST that Ed Snowden is a deliberate psyop because he wasn't killed! Sounds a lot like the logic of the Salem Witch Trials.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Paul and Dennis I agree with both your assessment's ' I did feel as I
mentioned on a post somewhere ? that the Rebekah debate did leave me feeling '
flat' a couple weeks ago , but its all part of the ' info wars' and these things
happen regularly. We know its part of a much bigger agenda that is still playing out
and with hindsight many , many things from drills , wargames to Saudi terrorists ,
Bin Laden and 101 other anomalies do not add up and we are seeing it everywhere
in possible 'false flag ' events or 'allowed/controlled ' incidents. Again this is not
new , only the fact we can communicate instantly on the web , we can piece it
together quicker with a collective observations and discussions,in the alternate
media as well as national sites like RT , who also have agendas but has given
credible counter articles to the western media outlets that have become corporate
controlled more and more over the last 30/40 years.

This is why the next big meme to counter 'The war on Terror' is 'Cyber Wars' which
are going on and will be aimed at alternate news and forums I expect. Which leads
me to a post I put on another thread about 7/7 that sums it up for me the best way
to hide anything is in plain sight and with most of these events it explains why we
are seeing things that look to obvious to be true . They told us on the BBC straight
away something was 'fishy' whether by design or not , as they did with Building 7
on 9/11. But we were not clued in then but now we see these anomalies and I'm not
sure if they care or not ? as they still have control of the mainstream media and
ridicule and instantly be called a ' conspiracy theorist ' is still a strong deterrent for
most people. From UFO's to terrorism.


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Re: The Boston Bombing was an elaborately staged theatrical event.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80749-The-Boston-Bombing-was-an-elaborately-staged-theatrical-event.&p=1036472&viewfull=1#post1036472


Despite how obvious 9/11 was as a "false flag" event, certainly there were unintended consequences - deaths.

I imagine the same could be said of Boston "Bombings."

Especially if someone wanted to add authenticity to the event and cause some real injuries.

I agree there are definitely real deaths and injuries at these ' contained staged
events' and there are still real acts of bombings , shootings , stabbings happening
everyday as there always has been.The difference is it has become an speciality
aspect of warfare from the Trojan horse , to dummies manning the parapets and
barricades, to dummy vehicles , guns and planes to whole paper armies on the run
up to D Day in WW11. After which came the cloak and dagger antics of the cold
war ,MK Ultra mind control and a whole host of deceptions and 'new toys ' in film ,
make up, prostatic's , 24 hrs news and propaganda in general.

7/7 is possibly the classic ' false flag' patsy contained situation , with real deaths
and media and emergency manipulation . Which they hid in plain sight, and told to
us the plot on the morning of the event. Using hind sight and the continuing
pattern of other such incidents before and after , we can see it was one of many
' false flag ' events concealed within a drill or other semi controlled parameters.
classic 'problem reaction solutions' scenarios played out on our screens with
compliant 24 hrs news amplifying the effects with half hourly bulletins and updates.
With plenty of hysteria and demanding to ' Do ' something about it , thrown in.

I just don't buy this was a coincidence .......I know the 'theatre' has changed but
its the same type of 'show' !!

Peter Power....His customer could they be the perpetrator ?

https://eyreinternational.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/j7-power-wanted.jpg

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/images/peter-power-panorama-london-under-attack-cv.png

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7/7 Ripple Effect: Ch1 Mock Exercises & Bomb Hoaxes in the run-up To 7-7-2005
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7/7 Ripple Effect: Ch2 Peter Power, Dupe or Accomplice
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7/7 Ripple Effect 2 (Full Length) HD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUZ3Ezi9QhQ

BBC Panorama: London Under Attack (the show that predicted 7/7)

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Ten Years Ago: The London 7/7 Mock Terror Drill: What Relationship to the Real
Time Terror Attacks?

Fictional 7/7 "scenario" of multiple bomb attacks on London's subway
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, July 07, 2015
Global Research 8 August 2005

http://www.globalresearch.ca/7-7-mock-terror-drill-what-relationship-to-the-real-time-terror-attacks/821

[Cidersomerset]

One thing Rebekah and her sources are right about either way
there is definitely ' Methodical Illusions and Deceptions going
on. I woke up with this thought and thought I'd better post it.

Methodical.......

: done by using a careful and organized procedure

: working in a very careful and organized way


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/methodical

Illusion...........

: something that looks or seems different from what it is

: something that is false or not real but that seems to be true or real

: an incorrect idea : an idea that is based on something that is not true

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Illusion

Deception........


: the act of making someone believe something that is not true : the act of deceiving someone

: an act or statement intended to make people believe something that is not true

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Deception


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On the same lines I'm finding and I'm sure others are as well that many
events/agendas are connected and some scientists and agencies are capable of
anything. I just saw this vid that is one on many that tell us illusion ,deception are
used wide spread . As the narrator says she thinks its a really good analogy of
how somein government treat their populations in the name of science or national
security.There is a clip of President Clinton apologising and saying 1,000's of
governments experiments were going on to find out the effects of radiation etc.


The same sort of things were going on in the UK , USSR and we can never forget
the NAZI's . But experiments were going on before and after them and still today
with GMO's and various vaccines. So to anyone under the illusion that their
governments or the real powerbehind them would not plan and facilitate the
murder of 3 ,000 of their own citizens on the 9/11. The history books are full of
events and experiments that say they are very capable of doing so......


If They Would Feed Radioactive Oatmeal to Little Kids, What Wouldn’t They Do?

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Published on 11 Jan 2016


Full article up at TSM: http://truthstreammedia.com/2016/01/1...

They also injected one of the kids with a large dose and it killed him shortly after (a
death they attributed to his condition, and certainly not the radiation injection).

We live under a ruthless scientific dictatorship that would feed radiation-laced
oatmeal to children without their knowledge or consent and tell their parents it is
good for them. If they would do that, is there *anything* they wouldn't do?

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There are articles daily some may be over dramatized , others under but there
are many linked agendas going on. Which is why David spots them and links
them on his headline page with other articles daily , and it is difficult to give
direct answers on many threads without taking into account the dots that's
lead to other agendas and topics that make up the greater landscape of the
global picture and TPTB's plans painting it......

Just a few from todays headline page

Measles Transmitted By The Vaccinated, Government Researchers Confirm

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2016/01/11/measles-transmitted-by-the-vaccinated-gov-researchers-confirm/

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The Richie Allen Show on Davidicke.com: Elana Freeland On HAARP, Chemtrails &
Why We’ve Been Breathing Toxic Air For Decades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuYWly-9YbA

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Ex-Deutsche, Barclays bankers appear in court over ‘Euribor rigging’

https://www.rt.com/uk/328563-euribor-rigging-deutsche-barclays/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

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22,000 Nurses Refuse ‘Mandatory’ Vaccinations

http://naturalsociety.com/22000-nurses-refuse-mandatory-vaccinations/

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Scientists push for new wave of eugenics with genome testing for all newborns

http://www.naturalnews.com/052610_genome_testing_eugenics_newborns.html

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The new way police are surveilling you: Calculating your threat ‘score’

http://patriotrising.com/2016/01/11/the-new-way-police-are-surveilling-you-calculating-your-threat-score/

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Shameless vaccine pusher Paul Offit teaches doctors to bully parents into blindly
injecting their children with mercury and aluminum

http://www.naturalnews.com/052611_Paul_Offit_vaccine_propaganda_shameless_medicine.html

and more.......http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I apologise to Bill and to all if I became terse or 'nitpicky' earlier in this thread about Rebekah and her research. It's not that I necessarily think she's a fraud, or a stooge, or just simply incorrect, it's only that, after years and years of digging and delving, seeking and hoping, I am really starting to believe that we will never know the truth – not the whole truth – until the Powers That Be that control the world (and most importantly, ALL the secrets) are gone.

I was just starting to feel (and continue to feel) a bit frustrated that we're all still in the same dark world paradigm, that nothing much has changed. 5 years ago I believed that by now we would know, that by now the world would be free of tyranny and struggle and the military industrial complex, *and secrecy*, that 'repugnant' thing that President Kennedy alluded to in his famous speech all those years ago.

I thank Rebekah for all her efforts, I really do, on 'getting the word out' and educating people on the realities of this hideous crime. And let's make no mistake, that's what 9/11 was. A crime: against peace, against freedom, against humanity. But as can happen with virtually any kind of crime, it has become an almost impenetrable cold case. Yes, there are mountains of evidence to suggest this happened, or that happened, and it was committed by this party or that party, for this reason or that reason, and thanks to Rebekah and many like her, quibbles aside, I have formed a steady understanding of what happened that day.

But for all the heroic efforts of researchers and truthers the world over, and even insiders, it isn't enough, because there's still doubt and confusion over so many things. When I think about 9/11, I also think about the assassination of JFK. That was more than 50 years ago now, and though we believe a great deal, we actually 'know' for certain little more than we did back then. Because those who covered it up then, still exist, that's the thing, and they successfully continue to cover it up now, and will continue to do so - until they are no more. We have pieces of these puzzles, enough to see most of the picture, perhaps we even have a 95% solid hypothesis of what that picture looks like, but not all of it, never all of it, never the actual, full, reality of it – of 9/11, JFK, Roswell, you name it.

They, everything, these secrets, and these crimes, will continue to elude us – until those lurking behind the curtain are dragged out into the light, and called to account. I really hoped we'd be there by now. That's mostly the reason behind my frustration. But until then, heads up everyone. Keep digging, I say, keep searching, analysing, and hoping. One day we will get to see that big picture.

[DbDraad]

SM, Good post! In this day and age, we will never KNOW the truth. What we think is the truth might turn out to be so, but there's no way to know. The closest we can get is to know that we are being lied to constantly and the "evidence" presented are mostly false flags. It seems that the most absurd claims might just hold more water than the " facts" we take for granted. That's why it's importand to consider outlandish claims and not believe everything that seems bullet proof on the face. There will never be "full disclosure ". We might get lucky and gain lots of truths, but there is no such thing as ultimate truth for the living...and if there is no such entity as God, there ain't no truth in death either....I'm a Christian, so I believe I'll know the real truth some day, but there's no guarantees.

Go well,

Dan

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Soon after they landed, the planes were hidden in the hangars, the passengers may have been told this was all a drill, a couple of people were picked off each plane, taken to upstairs offices, and they were told what to say on their cellphones. One flight attendant, CeeCee Lyles, can even be heard being told “You did great” at the very end of her call.

I've listened to this over and over. I used to think it was 'you did great'. But I believe now that what she actually quickly whispered just before hanging up was 'it's a frame'.

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Someone uploaded just that last couple of seconds. It's 'fairly' conclusive to me that this is what she actually did say.

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IT'S A FRAME!

When taken in context, those are three massive words when you think about it.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

By the way, Bill. What is that music track you are using in your intro? I want to get me some of that.

[Rocky_Shorz]

7/7 was 911 days after 9/11

In her latest video the Woolworth building launch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHD704Dpck

Sorry had to restart to get rid of typing lag.

So Kellex was part of the Manhattan project working on special nuclear experiments until it became Halliburton? This company was located in the Woolworths building until just before 9/11.

A projectile was seen launching from this building before the 3 towers came down?

While researching Kellex, articles popped up saying they were behind the Fluoride project too...

Breakfast of Champions suddenly has a much more sinister meaning...

[Valerie Villars]

Regarding truth and the divine protection or benevolence Ms. Roth mentions, I have a little story regarding 911 and truth and divine protection.

As many of you know, truth is given in very symbolic and cloaked terms in this world.

I am from New Orleans and every year we have a dog parade in February called the Krewe of Barkus. Now, innocent as I was, I honestly believed there were hijackers, etc. back in 2001 when 911 happened. In fact, I had to go and pick my mother up from Louis Armstrong airport that morning, as she had a flight to go out to California, due to depart at the time all the stuff went down. They grounded all the flights and she called me from the airport, asking me to turn on the t.v. and see if I could offer any information, as everyone was grounded and no one was talking. So I, along with any one else who wasn't an insider was shocked and horrified at what was happening. I went back to the airport (after having dropped her off very early in the morning) and picked her up. It was all very surreal.

So, fast forward to February 2002 and the Krewe of Barkus. The theme that year was patriotism having to do with our being "attacked". You know, proud Americans and all that. It's a VERY big event. The French Quarter, where it is held, is always packed and was especially so that year.

I have no idea what possessed me to do this, but I dressed up in german army fatigues (I used to shop at army surplus stores) and decorated my cairn terrier with a sign which said "Mutta Hari." Much to my horror, you could have heard a pin drop as I walked by the judges stand, which commented on all the costumes and themes as they walked by. It wasn't until years later, when I finally understood what a con job, and worse, the whole 911 thing was (for God's sake they killed a lot of people) that I realized what me, my costume and my dog were portraying.

In retrospect, I am sure there was divine inspiration there. I just didn't get it till later. My point is there ARE good guys. We just have to pay attention and follow our instincts.

[Bill Ryan]

By the way, Bill. What is that music track you are using in your intro? I want to get me some of that.

Wow, my apologies: I completely missed this question.

It's The Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra for Healing by Hein Braat. Stunning, quite something else.


http://projectavalon.net/Maha_Mrityunjaya_mantra_for_Healing_Hein_Braat_48_minutes.mp3

A lovely anecdote: I had an e-mail from a woman a while back who desperately wanted to know what it was. Her young non-verbal autistic son was playing the intro over and over and over again, and was trying to communicate about it. I sent the whole thing to her.

:flower:

[Bert]

Hi,

I do not know if this has already been posted elsewhere in the forums. I admit I have no read through 15 pages of posts so my apologies if it's a repost.

https://fr.scribd.com/doc/9442970/Collateral-Damage-U-S-Covert-Operations-and-the-Terrorist-Attacks-on-September-11-2001-28062008

To me this is a terrific report of what were the causes, what led to the attack.

There is a part 2: https://fr.scribd.com/doc/9421535/Collateral-Damage-Part-2-The-Subprime-Crisis-and-the-Terrorist-Attacks-on-September-11-2001-26122008

I felt like sharing this interpretation of the events for the sake of unveilling a very plausible truth for everyone to see. These crooks need to be busted wide open to the largest number of people to hope to stop from something similar to happen again in the future.

Cheers!

EDIT: I did not read/heard Rebekah's interview when I initially posted, and thought it was a version of what happened to the planes from a flight attendant. Hence the mistake that was corrected.

[Hervé]

A summary of incongruities about the 9-11 kamikaze planes:

No Commercial Planes Crashed on 9-11 (https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/04/no-comercial-planes-9-11.html)

Henry Makow henrymakow.com (https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/04/no-comercial-planes-9-11.html)
April 25, 2018

When a foreign power can commit an atrocity like 9-11 with the complicity of America's Masonic colonial ruling class, you know that the United States is not an empire.

Although I cannot vouch for the claims made here, they are plausible and expose 9-11 as a bald-faced hoax.

Because they got away with 9-11, these false flags have continued on a regular basis.


https://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/9-12.jpg


"NOT ONE single supposed passenger parked a car at any airport on 9-11 NOT ONE.

Why?

There was no commercial plane crashes on 9-11."

There were no commercial plane crashes on September 11, 2001 (https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/there-were-no-commercial-plane-crashes-on-911/)

by Alexandra Bruce
(abridged by henrymakow.com)

Every one of the supposed 256 passengers on 9-11 paid for their tickets in cash on THE MORNING 0f 9-11! NOT ONE used a single credit card and there are no electronic receipts from anyone or any company anywhere in the world.

Why?

There was no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. This is the reason for:

HUNDRED's of so-called "terrorist training drills" like Tripod II and Vigilant Guardian were taking place on 9-11....at the exact time of the plane crashes.....

NONE of the voice data recorders, flight data recorders, or BLACK BOXES had serial numbers....a first in aviation history and it happened 4 times on the same day...

(Update: Mueller...yes -- that Mueller -- has stated that the FBI has 'lost all the black boxes' from 9-11! Maybe it's with the original moon landing video that they ALSO said they have lost?)

ALL the buildings and locations on 9-11 appear to have been destroyed by some form of demolition or Directed Energy Weapon

The US government allocated only $3 million dollars to investigate ALL of 9-11(Lewinsky Scandal got $50 million)

EVERY video filming the Pentagon was immediately confiscated (80+ at last count)

The command procedure to shoot down a rogue plane was changed just weeks before 9-11 to having to get Donald Rumsfeld's permission first....and then was changed back immediately the day AFTER 9-11 to the pilot's discretion.....

NOT ONE single video exists of any person (except ATTA) at any airport in any way from any of the planes of 9-11

The reason that tens of millions of dollars were made on "put options" which shorted United and American Airlines just days before 9-11 and the US REFUSES to release exactly who made those financial bets

The reason that Rumsfeld announced $2.3 TRILLION had been "lost" at the Pentagon on 9-10-01 and that the 28 accounting experts would be looking into it (ALL 28 died in the Pentagon plane attack and all investigations were immediately dropped.)

The Pentagon was conducting a "MASCAL" (Mass Casualty) exercise ON THE DAY OF 9-11 at the Pentagon involving a PLANE CRASHING INTO IT...was once again for a weak plausible deniability excuse.

The doors, fire escapes, observation decks, and ALL access to the tops WTC's 1 and 2 buildings were closed and chained up on Monday 9-10-01...was because survivors could talk...

Mayor Gulliani was conducting Operation Tripod II at Pier 92 (rather than his NEW multiple million dollar bunker inside WTC 7) on Monday 9-10-01 which involved terrorist attacks on the WTC's and then the same exact people were then in charge of 9-11..

The FBI released the names, addresses, photos, religious beliefs, whereabouts, affiliations, professional connections, flight training schools, nationalities, personal histories, ages, visa status OF ALL the highjackers within DAYS Of 9-11 (Unibomber took 17 years!)...

PA Gov. Tom Ridge, who would then head a new agency called Homeland Security, said that the WTC debris would be buried at CDI's smelting plant which was purchased just months before 9-11 in PA (no debris went overseas or to China for example!)

Even though it was illegal, Gulliani banned ALL photography and video of the WTC's after the attacks which clearly showed serious problems with the official stories.

Osama Bin Laden denied any connection to wrongdoing (http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah)and basically says the US government and military are sick and murderous for their own gains ... is because he had nothing to do with 9-11.

There will always be massive problems with the passenger lists. NONE of the hijackers were listed on ANY of them.

There will NEVER be a single piece of verified debris from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations on 9-11.

NO engines, NO tail sections, NO seats, NO fuselage, NO luggage, and NOTHING from any of the planes has ever been found and verified through a serial number.

There are massive problems with the take-off records of the 4 flights on 9-11 is that there was no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

NOT ONE PENNY has been paid from insurance companies to replace the planes themselves is that they pay only be verifiable debris....and NONE has ever been found...

Bush threatened Congressman to never investigate 9-11, then delayed the investigation 18 months, then handpicked the Commission members, had Commission members quit because they said the Commission was a fraud because they were never going to be allowed to inspect the plane wreckage because of "national security", and then told them to never "cross the line" with regards to plane investigations......

(Sen. Paul Wellstone paid with his life. He demanded to verify the plane debris. That's why he was killed)

The reason that thermite and cordite tested POSITIVE and was found EVERYWHERE on 9-11.

Jet fuel tested NEGATIVE at ALL 4 crash sites on 9-11.

The reason that the WTC towers 1 and 2, which were each 110 stories high of reinforced concrete and steel covering ONE ACRE for each floor.......which was then turned into a pile of dust standing only TWO STORIES HIGH from a fuel fire ( a first in world history).....was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

The reason CDI, Control Demolition Inc, (A DEMOLITION COMPANY ....even though there was no piece of building debris larger than what could fit onto their existing trucks!) was paid $35 Billion to clean up 9-11 (similar to what the US government paid CDI after the OKCity bombing in 1995) and was seen in and around the WTC's AND OKCity Murrah building for weeks and months PRIOR to 9-11 and April 1995....was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

The reason everyone smelled cordite and NOT ONE person smelled ANY of the 12,000 gallons of toxic jet fuel at the Pentagon was because there was no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.

The FAA boss destroyed the taped testimony of the 3 air traffic controllers immediately following 9-11 which basically said they could not have been commercial planes...

16 supposed Saudi Arabian men who averaged 5'4″ 120 lbs with ONE-inch knives could highjack 4 planes without a single mayday or hijacking code being entered by a single pilot on 9-11...

The reason that ALL EIGHT, 6-ton, 9ft wide Titanium alloy engines DISAPPEARED (a first in world history and it happened 8 times) .

The reason $15 billion dollars was paid out to the US airline companies within 2 weeks of 9-11.

It is now against US law to investigate or even contact the exact people who took the supposed "man from the street " films, photos, and videos of planes of 9-11...

You will never have ANY truly independent investigation of 9-11 is that your legal system is owned by the same murderers and there was no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

The reason that everything will be kept in secrecy with regards to any legal procedures, covered with terms like "national security" even though the ENTIRE PLANET supposedly saw it, and ANY court cases will all have gag orders and be closed to the public is because there was no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

More reasons here (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-24/he-wasnt-social-person-profile-toronto-van-killer-emerges) (in the comments)

Related:
- No Commercial Plane Crash on 9-11 (https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/there-were-no-commercial-plane-crashes-on-911/) Running Time: 3 mins

[Satori]

I'm shamelessly re-posting a peer reviewed article I wrote in 2015 on the subject of 911and published in the Journal of 911 Studies and Global Research:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/r...eyVol40Mar.pdf

(The link no longer goes directly to my article. You now have to hit the "Articles" link on the website. Then look for the article that begins "The Cause of the Destruction...." It's the second or third article from the top.)

There is no question but that on 9/11/01 WTC 7 was destroyed by conventional methods and that WTC 1 and 2 were destroyed by a combination of methods, some of which involved high tech weapons.

The official conspiracy theory of 911 is demonstrably false. That is why there never has been, and if the guilty can prevent it, never will be, a true, open, honest and fair investigation and evidentiary hearing into the actual causes of the destruction of WTC buildings 1, 2, 7, 6.... (and parts of the Pentagon) on 9/11/2001.

Any such investigation and evidentiary hearing(s) would also establish whether, or not, planes actually struck any buildings (and crashed in PA). They would also establish that if planes were involved, jet fuel (kerosene) coupled with relativity minimal impact damage to WTC 1 and 2 could not have caused the buildings to dustify and collapse in the manner observed on that day.

The official conspiracy theory of 911 puts me in mind of the scene in the movie My Cousin Vinny when Vincent Gambini (played by Joe Pesci) on cross examination destroys the state's witness by getting him to admit that he was wrong about how much time elapsed from when the "two Yutes" (Defendants) went into the store and when the shooting occurred. He did this by getting the witness to acknowledge that he had just started making grits, that the grits were not instant, but "regular", and that absent the laws of physics ceasing to exist on his stove that day, it takes 20 minutes, not five minutes, to make grits.

At least in the movie the witness admitted that the laws of physics were not suspended on his stove. This is something that our government has refused to admit or even acknowledge. We need to get those in positions of authority and control on that day on the witness stand--under oath and subject to real, not imagined, penalty for perjury. This would include those who controlled the narrative and the clean up of the crime scene. That means Giuliani, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice et al. (By the way, to me it is telling that Trump brought Giuliana on board his legal team. There are plenty of good and connected lawyers out there to help Trump with legal issues. This tells me that he was brought on because of the muscle he can provide, not his legal acumen.)

Notably, even the official conspiracy theory acknowledges that WTC 7 and the other WTC buildings (e.g. WTC 6) were not hit by any planes. Thus, planes cannot and do not account for their destruction. This lends some support to the no-plane theory in my view.

I'll wrap up by pointing out that the end note to my paper provides information about and a link to a news report of the historical event of the B-25 that hit the Empire State Building in NY City in the mid-1940s. That building was indeed struck by a large military aircraft loaded with fuel, and it did not collapse. Sadly, 11 people died. But, the the integrity of the building was not impaired and floors impacted by the crash were rebuilt.

Modern-day, and many older-day, steel high rises are designed and built to withstand impacts by large aircraft. That's an admitted fact. Further, since 911 there have been no substantive changes, if any, made to high rise building codes requiring any modification to plans, designs, building materials or methods to account for impact by planes.

It all makes one wonder.

[Star Tsar]

What does Mr Trump know about 9-11?

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[Tintin]

There is no question but that on 9/11/01 WTC 7 was destroyed by conventional methods and that WTC 1 and 2 were destroyed by a combination of methods, some of which involved high tech weapons.

The official conspiracy theory of 911 is demonstrably false.


........... We need to get those in positions of authority and control on that day on the witness stand--under oath and subject to real, not imagined, penalty for perjury.


Notably, even the official conspiracy theory acknowledges that WTC 7 and the other WTC buildings (e.g. WTC 6) were not hit by any planes. Thus, planes cannot and do not account for their destruction. This lends some support to the no-plane theory in my view.



I, for one, am very glad that you have shamelessly re-posted this. In my view, an important paper you have written here. Perhaps you could move this (meaning your) post over to an appropriate thread in the 9/11 directory? :thumbsup:

I concur absolutely with the key points you have raised and particularly those that I have emboldened, above.

Thanks again.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

NO engines, NO tail sections, NO seats, NO fuselage, NO luggage, and NOTHING from any of the planes has ever been found and verified through a serial number.


True, nothing verified, nothing with serial numbers. I agree it's possible, in fact likely, that regular commercial aircraft, an American Airlines 757, and a United Airlines 767, did not crash into those buildings. But something did, I do believe (they weren't 'ghost planes' or holograms). Something that looked like these regular commercial aircraft did crash into the WTC and the Pentagon, and scattered at least some plane wreckage. Military craft is my guess.

This is nothing new, it's all been seen before, but just bringing it up -- there is some debris here. And maybe it was hoaxed, or maybe planted. Just another layer of the onion I guess..

Part of an engine, Murray Street.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3a364e05ed0dc80aabd8355b7ce31b29-c

Part of Flight 11, found on Cedar Street
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d4af364d6c93b31efe4ada7ec7f13e57

Fuselage fragment (allegedly Flight 175)
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c4237abd2102c62bb942d31b09ccf47a

A wheel nearby
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-db03db3224c33cc146de821ff4a0123b-c

Part of a landing gear, wedged between two buildings at Park Place and Murray Street, discovered in 2013.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_20hCOv3--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18lusij3ozhkfjpg.jpg

[rabbitcarrot]

I just want to thank everyone who posted on this thread. Rebekah Roth, thank you.
I don't feel so alone.

And I'm barely on the last page going back. Half way through the page.

Anyway, I get the sense more and more of us are waking up and not just following, believing what our govt wants us to believe.
This is our country and as ambassadors of the world it is our jobs to question our representatives, and their job is to answer to us.

I remember right after the'plane crashes', and I will admit I was scared and felt the need to be ultra patriotic and to be revenge-full.
They use scare tactics, but now that we know, next time we won't be fooled.

And I really believe that that's why there hasn't been a next one. See something, say something.

Really liked Rebekah's chronology connection: Art students, pictures, fuse boxes/ BB 18, Halliburton. It makes complete sense to me that those relationships don't relate.

Thank YOU for letting me vent.