Bill Ryan's interview with REBEKAH ROTH, 11 September, 2015

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All,

Here's my interview with Rebekah Roth, the author of two important books about what really happened on 9/11: Methodical Illusion, and her new second book, just released, Methodical Deception.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgJ1h-gbo8
The standalone audio is here:
http://projectavalon.net/Rebekah_Roth_talks_to_Bill_Ryan_10_Sept_2015.mp3
(55 Mb, 1 hr 56 mins)

Enjoy... whether or not you've heard Rebekah before, I think this is a good one. :sun:

Do please note:


Rebekah's audio, which I'm delighted to say is pin-sharp, was a little better than mine: but that's far preferable to it being the other way round.
And here, which may be both useful and interesting, is a near-transcript of my introduction to the interview.


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This is Bill Ryan from Project Avalon, and I wanted to make this introduction to this most interesting interview with Rebekah Roth, the author of two books: Methodical Illusion, her first, and a sequel just out, called Methodical Deception. And she’s already working on a third.

It’s an interesting interview, because some of you listening right now know all about Rebekah and her most important research into what really happened on 9/11 — I’d call it ground-breaking — and some of you may know comparatively little about who she is.

So that’s why I’m doing this introduction, which I recorded after the interview, to try and cater for the possibly very broad-spectrum knowledge base of the listeners here. Some of you may know nothing about her, some of you will already have heard her interviewed, maybe several months ago, and some of you may even have read both of her books and already be very familiar with the huge mass of pretty much hard fact that she’s uncovered, or deduced with a very great deal of confidence.

And in my very strong personal opinion, she has the story pretty much exactly right, in a LOT of detail. After all these years, we all need to be listening very carefully.

Now, here’s the other problem. The story does NOT go in a straight line. There’s a massive complexity here, which is why the entire backstory has remained unclear for so many years. So please bear with Rebekah, as she takes us on a journey to explore with her this extensive and multidimensional territory she has uncovered.

As she explains, and as many of you know, she was a flight attendant — a highly experienced one — of many years standing. And flight attendants know EXACTLY what could and could not happen on a plane, especially at times of emergency. It’s like we were all waiting all these years, but never knew it, for a very experienced flight attendant to come along and lay it all out for us.

And, ironically, a very serious point, some of the flight attendants who made the famous cellphone calls on 9/11 — which could of course only have been made from the ground — may very well have left clues in their messages which only another flight attendant would be able to decipher. Whether or not this was intentional on their part, this is exactly what Rebekah has done.

So in this interview, we'll hear how the planes were taken over by an installed Flight Termination System, which remotely controls the aircraft, and there’s nothing the pilots can do about it. In fact, they can't even communicate, not even with the cabin crew on the other side of the cockpit door. This renders all the pilots impotent to do anything about what's happening.

And what did happen that day was that the four planes were remotely flown to Westover Air Base, just 20 or so minutes away, which has a 10,000 ft runway, needed for planes with a heavy, full load of fuel.... and hangars large enough for C-5 transport planes, far larger than any 757 or 767. In the interview, Rebekah even reads us an affidavit from a local resident, who contacted her after her first book was published, who SAW a United Airlines passenger 757 flying into Westover that morning, so low that she thought it might crash, exactly at the right time to fit, just after 8.30 a.m.

Soon after they landed, the planes were hidden in the hangars, the passengers may have been told this was all a drill, a couple of people were picked off each plane, taken to upstairs offices, and they were told what to say on their cellphones. One flight attendant, CeeCee Lyles, can even be heard being told “You did great” at the very end of her call.

Basically, it was all scripted. And some inevitable confusion on that morning can be seen inasmuch as some of the callers were seeming to get their stories confused with one another... almost as if they didn’t really know for sure what plane they were meant to be on, as far as the theater goes.

The ugly part of this is that soon after this happened, the passengers would all have been murdered. The exception may have been one or two of the callers (but not any of the flight crew), who may have been in on the entire thing from the beginning, and may still be alive with new identities. This intends no disrespect to any person, or their families: it’s just where the evidence leads.

There’s even more to this, of course, because the evidence leads us to many places. But that’s the core of Rebekah’s first book, Methodical Illusion, where all this is laid out in the form of a detail-packed, easy to read novel. Her second book, just published, Methodical Deception, goes into the tangled, interconnected labyrinth of who did all this, why, and how. And, it has to be said right up front, that following the evidence faithfully, as Sherlock Holmes would have done, all roads lead to Israel, and PNAC, the Project for a New American Century.

Some of you may already know much of this. But Rebekah is a fluid, lively and entertaining presenter, and I hope you may enjoy this as much as I did. If you’re keen to know where this may all be going, then jump to nearer the end of the interview where Rebekah shares her concerns about the role of Artificial Intelligence, and the threat of another, much more traumatic false flag event, possibly a nuclear one, in which there may be not nearly so many mistakes made in its execution, and which may be far more destructive and game-changing.

As she says, and I agree, as will many of you — whether this happens or not (or the outcome of such an event, if it does), depends on you, and me, and the number of people who are awake and aware to what is really going on.

Do enjoy this conversation. We’ll start here.

[Chip]

Looking forward to this tomorrow as I debate staying up and am losing the battle between awake and sleep.
I am always glad to see Bill Ryan do interviews. My sincere hope that he does more.
Thanks Bill

[giovonni]

Sweet ... :thumb:

Turn her on and she's off and running.

[Carmody]

Should be interesting.

(I'm making a post now, at the start of the thread, people tend to read the first few pages, not when it get deep, so.....)

I'll just say, for the moment...that...It was obvious in the first hour, that it was scripted. For if it was an true unknown, it would have followed the 'unknown attack' control and deflection script....and it did not. That script was decades in training, hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on it, and everyone had their playbook, down to the local fire brigades and police. Yet, the script was not followed.

[ghostrider]

outstanding information ... everyone needs to take some time , sit down , relax and soak this in ... thanks Bill ...

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Bill I just switched on the computer and was wondering what to put on in
the background .' Love it ' You have got your 'Mojo' back..LOL and an appropriate
interview on the 14th anniversary of this neo -con , Zionist coup and 'false flag, psyop'
resulting in the ramping up on the 'war on terror' and the unfolding of the project
for the new American century leading to the invasions of of various countries in the
Middle East . Starting with the invasion of Afghanistan to stop the Taliban destroying
the drug trade run by international cartels sanctioned by the CIA and others. Right
up to the ' Exdus' playing out on the TV's now , classic 'Problem Reaction Sollution'
as David would say , to get the UK and other nations on board to invade Syria.....

There are many threads by a lot of members about this massive subject as it
has grown in it strategic goals and like many agendas , sub plots and dead ends
changed the operations in each individual 'theatre ' of operations on the ground.
I have posted Bill Anglos Saxon mission vid several times and is a good one
to give you an idea of some of TPTB possible plans.

The Anglo-Saxon Mission [This version with English subtiltes]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmWM51mTY_c

Also this current thread gives an update situation on the current situation in the
Middle East theatre , but other situations are happening or developing in the
Ukraine and Asia , designed to curb any Russian or Chinese ambitions or
interventions , just like back in the 'glory' days of the cold war for TPTB and
the heyday of the mil ind complex and the rise of the 4th riech in the US from
the ashes of the 3rd....

The ISIS Conspiracy Origins & The Creation of Israel - By Brandon Martinez on Red Ice Radio

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85140-The-ISIS-Conspiracy-Origins-The-Creation-of-Israel-By-Brandon-Martinez-on-Red-Ice-Radio

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Thanks Bill you have set me off and I have not had my first cup of coffee yet..LOl

Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80910-Where-Did-the-Planes-Go--Rebekah-Roth-exposes-another-piece-of-the-9-11-puzzle-

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you, Bill and Rebekah for helping to bring the truth out for the sake of the planet and it's people

[araucaria]

There is already an interesting thread on this material started by Paul here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80910-Where-Did-the-Planes-Go--Rebekah-Roth-exposes-another-piece-of-the-9-11-puzzle-&p=945321&viewfull=1#post945321

[Redstar Kachina]

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[WhiteLove]

What a great interview!!

[ghostrider]

What a great interview!!

I know , she hits on things that once she mentions them it's obvious ... the deception of 911 on the day of , fooled the whole world for a spell ...

[happyuk]

Thanks for posting this. In my opinion this is something that is not discussed nearly enough - what happened to those supposedly on those flights.

The Planes where apparently controlled using the U.S. Air Force’s “QRS11 Triaxial Remote Guidance System” called “JPALS.”, a “gyro on a chip.” It uses GPS satellite technology and electronics implanted in the Boeing aircraft allowing them to be controlled remotely, probably by a CIA unit of 100 people (Aquarius?) in August of 2001. This group also would have staged the cell phone calls purported to be from passengers on the commercial airlines using voice impersonation technology and created the conspiracy story of 19 Arab hijackers, many of whom where known to be either dead or in jail in the middle east.

As for the airline passengers on 9/11, the probability is that they where probably murdered (gassed?) while on board their plane and then sent to some suitably industrial-standard facility, such as Amtrak in Kansas City, Kansas or the FEMA crematorium in Terra Haute, Indiana for incineration.

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by WhiteLove (here)
What a great interview!!
I know , she hits on things that once she mentions them it's obvious ... the
deception of 911 on the day of , fooled the whole world for a spell ...

Yeah at one point Bill comments about half way thru how 'Amatuerish some
of this is in hindsight. Which is true but in 2001 after many years of 'False flags'
they could not of envisaged how the web would put all their actions under
such scrutiny. Which is why they got away with it completely from the
moments the towers came down. There were discrepancies and people
like Judy Wood who knew this was not right , but they were easily ignored
or officially silenced, in the wake of 'patriotism' generated from this act
of 'treason' against the American and world public.

Related subjects mentioned by Rebeka..." There are no coincidences " as she says...

Al Jazeera The Day Israel Attacked America the first 'false flag ' ..... USS Liberty
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84321-Al-Jazeera-The-Day-Israel-Attacked-America-the-first-false-flag-.....-USS-Liberty

CIA Admits Using News To Manipulate the USA (1975)......Controlled Media
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84950-CIA-Admits-Using-News-To-Manipulate-the-USA--1975-......Controlled-Media

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As George Noory always says .....

http://engageyourmind.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/coincidences.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60965-Andy-Murray-Strange-coincidences&p=699623#post699623

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The next big false flag will be better planed , unless it will be so big it won't matter...


Israel Lobby Spent Over $20 Million to Stop Iran Deal and Got Almost Nothing for It

By David Icke on 12th September 2015 Political Manipulation

http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Untitled-71.jpg

‘This week, Senate Republicans failed to reach closure on a vote to stop the
diplomatic deal with Iran, which dooms their efforts to sink the agreement. The
vote came after over $20 million of spending from Citizens for a Nuclear Free Iran,
a front group organized by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the main
Israel lobby group, demanding that lawmakers reject the agreement.

The failure by AIPAC to swing votes in its favor marks a low-point in the lobby’s
influence; in the end, it retained only four Democratic senators, including three
long-time staunch allies: senators Schumer (NY), Cardin (MD) and Menendez (NJ)
and the caucus’s most conservative lawmaker, Senator Manchin (WV).’

Read more: Israel Lobby Spent Over $20 Million to Stop Iran Deal and Got Almost Nothing for It

http://www.alternet.org/world/israel-lobby-spent-over-20-million-stop-iran-deal-and-got-almost-nothing-it

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85140-The-ISIS-Conspiracy-Origins-The-Creation-of-Israel-By-Brandon-Martinez-on-Red-Ice-Radio&p=998224#post998224


more related topics mentioned by Rebekah....

"Where Did The Towers Go?" - Dr Judy Wood in the UK....Sky 200 TV with Theo Chalmers

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41614-Where-Did-The-Towers-Go-Dr-Judy-Wood-in-the-UK....Sky-200-TV-with-Theo-Chalmers


Undeniable Footage Of Jet Aircraft Spraying //The Midwest Respiratory Crisis – Infected Chemtrail Beta Test?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74872-Undeniable-Footage-Of-Jet-Aircraft-Spraying-The-Midwest-Respiratory-Crisis----Infected-Chemtrail-Beta-Test

[grannyfranny100]

Thank you, Bill, Rebekah's books are dynamite and a third one is coming. How can Congress avoid hearings and the arrest of some evil people. It is time to race ahead. Rebekah is divinely inspired!

[Richard S.]

Thank you Bill, we need more of these from you.

I understand they might not be the easiest things to do, but the world needs your light and your interviewing talent.
Not many can do justice to an interviewee as you can, so please, more, more, more... ;-)

[Cidersomerset]

Thank you Bill, we need more of these from you.

I understand they might not be the easiest things to do, but the world needs your light and your interviewing talent.
Not many can do justice to an interviewee as you can, so please, more, more, more... ;-)

I agree you got me ' buzzing ' around this morning...LOL

[Fiberglut]

Heartfelt thanks Bill,

This fits nicely with Abel Danger's analysis. The flight termination system you refer to is the BUAP(Boeing uninterruptible autopilot) which, by the way, is currently installed on every commercial aircraft Boeing produces, and most if not all other aircraft manufacturers as well, and has been since well before 9/11. A/D has done a very detailed analysis of 9/11 exposing the Clinton's, GHWB, Serco and a multitude of others who played key roles. Avalon members should also know that the BUAP and Serco have been at the heart of virtually every airline disappearance or disaster for nearly 2 decades now. In fact, Kerry Cassidy did an excellent interview with Field McConnell and David Hawkins not long after the MH 370 disappearance. I Encourage Avalon readers to check it out. It is my belief that once enough Americans learn the truth of 9/11, a tipping point will be reached resulting in a true awakening for all. The 5th epoch that Wade Frazier speaks of May be closer than any of us realize. One last thing before I run, for those not aware of Dr. Judy Wood and her ground breaking work on 9/11 please visit her site, where have the towers gone. She ultimately concludes that a DEW, directed energy weapon, was used in the demolition, which as an aside, suggests that FE, or Zero Point Energy, is and has been available. More on that later, but for now, I hold out hope that the 5th epoch will soon be upon us.

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks for posting this. In my opinion this is something that is not discussed nearly enough - what happened to those supposedly on those flights.

The Planes where apparently controlled using the U.S. Air Force’s “QRS11 Triaxial Remote Guidance System” called “JPALS.”, a “gyro on a chip.” It uses GPS satellite technology and electronics implanted in the Boeing aircraft allowing them to be controlled remotely, probably by a CIA unit of 100 people (Aquarius?) in August of 2001. This group also would have staged the cell phone calls purported to be from passengers on the commercial airlines using voice impersonation technology and created the conspiracy story of 19 Arab hijackers, many of whom where known to be either dead or in jail in the middle east.

As for the airline passengers on 9/11, the probability is that they where probably murdered (gassed?) while on board their plane and then sent to some suitably industrial-standard facility, such as Amtrak in Kansas City, Kansas or the FEMA crematorium in Terra Haute, Indiana for incineration.


Many thanks for your ideas... but do please read either of the books (probably the first one), or, just as effective/valuable, listen to almost any of Rebekah's interviews.

[Fiberglut]

Love spot,
I wholeheartedly agree. Bill Ryan, if you are there, please accept my thanks for all that you do. I humbly ask that you consider a series of interviews with Field McConnell and David Hawkins. Perhaps Judy Wood as well. Exposing 9/11 truth may just be the most direct path to the 5th epoch that Wade Frazier speaks of (please refer to my post below).

[Fiberglut]

Bill,
Thanks.....will do.

[moekatz]

I believe her when she says she read of planned, upcoming false flag events which will impact many more citizens of the USA than the 9/11 event. There are so many of us now that realize the extent of our terminal condition. I have to ask the hard question," what are we going to do about this? " Is simply knowing going to change things? Don't we have to take action and if so, what type? Do we dare to leave the comfort of our small window (computer) and instigate actions? Surely if planners on the side of true evil have come up with ideas to capture the populace and do with us as they wish, we can plan too. What retaliation can we promise them? What preemptive actions can we take now?

[Daughter of Time]

Bless her, indeed!

May she be kept safe in her warrior's journey and deliver more people from their slumber.

Thank you, Bill!

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Bill Ryan]

Considering the iterative effects of disclosure on future events, rather than a few large-scale WMD attacks, consider the possibility (likelihood...) that those AR-15s and ammo that have been dropped off at probably dozens of locations around the U.S. will result in the sorts of attacks that have plagued Africa for decades, only these attacks will be concentrated into perhaps that nine day window that the author suggested. Question is when is t = 0 ?

Noted, and very many thanks. This is surely important:
at probably dozens of locationsThat's the inference here, of course. And none of that would have been for no reason. Clearly, there is, or was, a detailed plan of which that's maybe a small part.

Whether the plan is still current, we can't seem to know at this stage. Do please keep us all informed about any insights/information that may come your way.

[Red Skywalker]

Wow, what a ride, or better flight!

One thing worries me, Israel. To me it seems the 'regular jews' are f...ked up again.
This story on it's own could lead to much anti-Semitism. Why and how got the US involved? I am not unfamiliar with the works of Joseph Farrell about the Nazi's who seems to have a big finger in the US. I don't think the US is held hostage by Israel. Nazi's are extremely smart.
Ever heard of a fearytale with a wolf in a sheepskin?
How better to humiliate the jews by blaming them for the missery on this planet?

Hee, did I heard that not before, some 75 years ago? By some guy with a weird little mustage?

Doing it by the wolf pretending to be a sheep and do as the sheep your dirty works.

The real sheeps will be blamed and executed.
The fight will continue by the same tric over and over again for the survival of what?

Just some thoughts by trying to connect 2 neurons, or dots.

[happyuk]

Thanks for posting this. In my opinion this is something that is not discussed nearly enough - what happened to those supposedly on those flights.

The Planes where apparently controlled using the U.S. Air Force’s “QRS11 Triaxial Remote Guidance System” called “JPALS.”, a “gyro on a chip.” It uses GPS satellite technology and electronics implanted in the Boeing aircraft allowing them to be controlled remotely, probably by a CIA unit of 100 people (Aquarius?) in August of 2001. This group also would have staged the cell phone calls purported to be from passengers on the commercial airlines using voice impersonation technology and created the conspiracy story of 19 Arab hijackers, many of whom where known to be either dead or in jail in the middle east.

As for the airline passengers on 9/11, the probability is that they where probably murdered (gassed?) while on board their plane and then sent to some suitably industrial-standard facility, such as Amtrak in Kansas City, Kansas or the FEMA crematorium in Terra Haute, Indiana for incineration.

Many thanks for your ideas... but do please read either of the books (probably the first one), or, just as effective/valuable, listen to almost any of Rebekah's interviews.

I have recently been digging into Rebekkah's material and it is very good. You mentioned in an earlier post that many of the questions are really just distractions, eg who shot JFK when what we really need to know are the motivations behind these heinous acts. Here is my take on 911:

In my hunmble opinion the following are the prime suspects in the 9/11 collapse.

WTC 7 was storing thousands of files related to pending Wall Street investigations on companies such as Enron and Worldcom, which were conveniently destroyed when the building collapsed. Other tenants of WTC7 included the IRS, CIA, Secret Service, FBI, and Department of Defense. WTC7 was also the command center for the security of the entire WTC complex, headed by the President’s brother, Marvin Bush, whose contract ended on 911. It was also host to then Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management command center. This was built on the 23rd floor, in 1998 as a “bunker” for emergences such as 9/11. It had bullet and bomb-resistant windows, its own water and air supply, the ability to withstand 160 mph winds, and a full commanding view of the entire WTC complex. Interestingly, on 9/11 Giuliani didn’t bother to use the center to use, even though that’s what it was built for. He decided to set up a makeshift command center further down the street.

It is strange that the official 9/11 commission report chose to omit any reference to building seven.

What happened to the debris from flight 93 in Pennsylvania? It was missing and the only evidence was a 15 foot hole in the ground. The truth is flight 93 was probably intended to hit Camp David. If you go to YouTube you can hear the actual sound bites from the news networks which announce flight 93 hit Camp David. 9/11 was totally scripted that day. Camp David was targeted by the government because it was the anniversary of the “Camp David accords.”, the 1978 Israeli-Egypt peace treaty. Israel is actually a US state, so it’s really the US-Egypt peace treaty. By blaming Muslims it gave governments another excuse to bomb the Middle East.

Why were members of the bin laden family flown out of the country on 9/11 when all other planes where grounded? The $700 million dollar stash of gold stored under the WTC complex did not just grow legs and walk away. The questions go on and on and government do because they are at fault. Media whores will not tell us the truth, as many of the major news networks have been paid off to lie to the American people.

The Pentagon

There is no way a 124 foot wide Boeing 757 airplane could fit into a hole 15-18 feet wide. The government confiscated most evidence covering up what happened. After the impact, pentagon officials confiscated 80 video cameras which where focused on the pentagon. Eyewitnesses had to sign nondisclosure agreements. To date only one of these videos has been released and this video is only 4 frames. All we can conclude from the video is a blurry metal lump hitting the Pentagon. It is not a 757, because such a large aircraft flying at 450 mph would literally be torn apart from turbulence created while flying under 60 feet in altitude.

The truth is Bush ordered the destruction of the Pentagon building to prevent this United States from returning to constitutional law. Remote pilot technology was used to fly a small white private plane loaded with explosives into the Pentagon.

Al-Qaeda

Every time Bush (or any politician) says we are in a war against terrorism, the terrorists they are referring to are AMERICAN PEOPLE. Patriot Acts I and II will (eventually) take away basic constitutional liberties such as a trial by jury and search warrants. When one takes a closer look at the secret memos and executive orders the intent of the elite is clear. We are now living in a police state just like our Nazi leaders have always planned for us.

The Bush family and the Bin Laden family are in fact business associates. They where both partners in Saudi Oil and members of the Carlye Group. According to Patrick Bellringer, the Bush family was protecting Bin Laden. He checked into the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN prior to September 11, 2001 seeking medical treatment. He and his family were given a floor to themselves for privacy. He later died on December 26, 2001 from kidney (renal) failure and lung complications. The big lie perpetuated by governments is to keep the people believing there are bad people out there to get us. It’s difficult to maintain a War on Terror, if there are no terrorists! The media refuse to investigate how a man gone in the kidneys can survive on a dialysis machine in remote Pakistani caves for over six years.

When you analyze the video footage, the seismic data, and eyewitness accounts the government’s conspiracy theory just does not make sense. This fictional story has gave Bush the excuse to send the US Military to Afghanistan, Iraq, and create Patriot Acts I and II. Now you know why on 9/11, Bush. sat in a classroom reading an upside-down children’s book about a pet goat for seven minutes, as if this epic tragedy was no big deal.

The country remains at war, this time with state-funded ISIS mercenaries conducting a culpability-free war on the cheap.

[arwen]

Thanks a million Bill and Rebekah - downloading now, sharing widely, and looking very forward to the listen. Excellent work Bill! :sun:

[Valley]

Hi Moekatz... Just because some dastardly events may be planned does not mean that they will happen, or be allowed. It's my feeling and observation that there are higher powers, (ET's, angelic, etc), that have intervened on behalf of the good majority of people in the world... and that there are many good human folks working behind the scenes on behalf of a positive future for us all.

Have you ever heard of the 'Placebo Effect'?... That's where someone with an ailment is given a plain sugar pill, but is told that it is just the medicine they need to help their condition... then the person mysteriously becomes better. In effect, this is clearly mind over matter... or a built-in, natural, ability we all have which is based on our belief that something will happen... and then it does happen, just as we expected. So by this same logic, if we believe something 'bad' will happen, then we will be attracting or helping to manifest it also.

So it's very clear to me that our best course of action here is to hold a positive/bright vision for the future, so that we will be supporting a positive outcome for the whole planet.

For myself, I have tested/experimented with this 'mind-over-matter'/manifestation effect so many times by visualizing specific events or things to appear in my life... and they do... and always exactly as visualized. Also have done much 'prayer'/healing work which works very well in the same way basically. I'd be happy to share some personal experiences.

My feeling is that we all have this natural ability and are using it all the time... because it is our direct inheritance or blueprint from the original Creator/s... the 'power of creation'. We are 'creators' too! ... And we seem to finally be awakening to this reality in this world in larger numbers. The natural next step it seems is to gather into groups and start focusing on specific events taking place on the planet which will benefit the Earth, and all the people.

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This interview here by Bill with Rebekah is amazingly rich in detail and very clear & straightforward... probably one of the easiest interviews Bill has ever done, I'd guess ... and one of the best 9/11 interviews I've heard. Some people have that special ability to remember seemingly all of their research and string it all together, seemingly effortlessly, like a beautiful tapestry... I thought Rebekah did an absolutely amazing job here... and Bill too.

Thanks again Bill for choosing her to interview, and facilitating...

Here's another little 9/11 'tidbit'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1zED8dy63w


I believe her when she says she read of planned, upcoming false flag events which will impact many more citizens of the USA than the 9/11 event. There are so many of us now that realize the extent of our terminal condition. I have to ask the hard question," what are we going to do about this? " Is simply knowing going to change things? Don't we have to take action and if so, what type? Do we dare to leave the comfort of our small window (computer) and instigate actions? Surely if planners on the side of true evil have come up with ideas to capture the populace and do with us as they wish, we can plan too. What retaliation can we promise them? What preemptive actions can we take now?

[Shannon]

I agree, valley.. Rebekah has very nice tone to her voice and strings all her research, into a very easy to follow picture of the events....and how she made a story(novel ) and characters all based on her own evidence as a way to present this to the public with a hands off, I'm just telling a story approach is to me, Imo, very clever.

Great job, Bill, Rebekah and thank you !

[Star Tsar]

Hmmm I wonder if Akamai Technologies are Akamai that host Facebook's content delievery network ie where all your pictures etc are stored!?!?!

[aranuk]

Rebecca is an incredibly intelligent lady and a great researcher! Thanks Bill for the great interview.

Stan

[Rex]

Very interesting that a voice is guiding her at times. I hadn't heard that in any of the interviews for her first book. She is amazing.

[applepie]

Rebekah surmises that airplanes hit the towers. However, no airplane debris was found at the bottom of the towers, as was pointed out by Judy Woods and others. Some whistleblowers have claimed that what we saw as airplanes were holograms. Interesting puzzle.

[T Smith]

Outstanding interview, Bill. Thank you. And I will echo the sentiments above: please, more interviews!

It would seem the clearer the events of this day become, the more of an enigma they become. Rebekah Roth is a modern day Sherlock Holmes and has uncovered an almost irrefutable account of what likely happened on 9/11... but with just a few nagging questions: Perhaps these are addressed in her book, or elsewhere, but here goes:

1. Where are all the passengers? If executed summarily, how? The implication in the interview assumes they all (or at least most of them) are dead. What evidence supports this? Or are we just assuming? Perhaps the next wave of whistleblowers, witnesses, and/or accomplices to the heinous crime implied by their disappearances will come forward to confirm or provide an account. Or perhaps we need to think even more out of the box. Perhaps all these passengers were really taken off-world or were assigned to some slave colony on Mars for all we know.

2. If the planes were an illusion (or digital editing) maybe Rebekah could do the same quality of research on the backgrounds of the documentary crew that captured the only known video footage of the first plane hitting the north tower. Is this video authentic? If so, whatever hit the north tower on 9/11 appears to be a plane in that video, which means a) the video was either tampered with digitally (thus the documentary crew is involved or under coercion) or b) the orchestrators employed some kind of holographic technology, a la project Blue Beam. If Rebekah Roth's account is solid, and it looks to be, my guess would be whatever it is we see on the underbelly of the object hitting the north tower might be some type of holographic emitter.

3. And finally, if the intent was to take out building 7 all along, and if no planes were used, why pull the building with no corresponding false flag narrative? Why not just fly a fictional plane/missile into building 7 to begin with? If there were really planes used, this is easily explained -- perhaps something really did go wrong with the plane that hit the ground in Pennsylvania and perhaps this plane was really intended to hit Building 7. When no plane hit, the criminals were forced to improvise and pulled it anyway... But if there were no actual planes used (which I think Rebekah's research is implying) this explanation doesn't fly. If the planes were merely a pretext to sell the narrative, why not simply shoot a missile into Building 7 under the same pretext? For such an exquisitely executed crime, and excluding for all the minor errors which are understandable given the scope of the operation, why deliberately create such a HUGE hole? It's almost too sloppy.

It's been hinted at--and this is purely speculation--but it looks to me more and more like the "head" of this octopus is some form of off-world intelligence or AI. Perhaps we are already well into the era of transhumanism; perhaps the consciousness of the criminal cabal that pulled this off have already merged with machines...

[jake gittes]

Wow, what a ride, or better flight!

One thing worries me, Israel. To me it seems the 'regular jews' are f...ked up again.
This story on it's own could lead to much anti-Semitism. Why and how got the US involved? I am not unfamiliar with the works of Joseph Farrell about the Nazi's who seems to have a big finger in the US. I don't think the US is held hostage by Israel. Nazi's are extremely smart.
Ever heard of a fearytale with a wolf in a sheepskin?
How better to humiliate the jews by blaming them for the missery on this planet?

Hee, did I heard that not before, some 75 years ago? By some guy with a weird little mustage?

Doing it by the wolf pretending to be a sheep and do as the sheep your dirty works.

The real sheeps will be blamed and executed.
The fight will continue by the same tric over and over again for the survival of what?

Just some thoughts by trying to connect 2 neurons, or dots.

If you seriously believe that, I suggest you watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR87VIaL0sw

It is a breakdown of how 911 was done, how bogus the official story is and why, and who made it happen.

[Wide-Eyed]

moekatz: good comment, what to do? IMO we develop and build consensus that continues to expose and educate with goal of prosecution and resurrecting bill of rights and constitution. Develop a possible third party to address this and like chess they (Neo- cons,Archons,Corrupt Psychopaths) make a move we openly keep exposing and counter. Develop plans and system to counter every action. Bring suit enlist lawyers i.e. Daniel Sheehan, keep giving their evil stench light but with viable counter to awaken, enlist, engage the many against the evil few. A way of solid action that in every instance gets brighter and brighter LIKE BUILDING A BRAND. A brand that gets critical mass our numerous legions will be ever vigilant to counter with and keep exposing. These are large systems and hierarchies employing Neo-con, Corporate Fascism, so we keep building our brand and say rotate leaders annually like say ancient Greeks. One year one term move on. Start enlisting support of all to play a role and participate. Maybe this is a new thread... NEW LIFE:sun:

[grapevine]

Rebekah mentioned Israel's Samson Option:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

Anyone know a hairdresser called Delilah?

[Rex]

A "little bird" told me to read this ASAP:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=31113&d=1442146323

[Wide-Eyed]

T.Smith- answers IMO: yes they are employing AI and working the trans humanist crap out of it. The group has been keen on mind control and developing humans and soldiers, slaves consistently MK ULTRA, era's of developing weapons and are 50 years+ ahead of what the sleep educed masses. We need protocols to address,keep exposing , enlighten ,and empower those awake and aware and keep working towards critical mass on our LIGHT and awareness.
Details-details yes they fubar'd the Pentagon and #7. There's our break- I think it was a major f-up in their plans which shows no planes (NO BOX CUTTER CREW) and they were exposed by possible Whitehats that caused missiles to go down in Shanksville which was supposed to be going to #7. Do you recall Secretary of Transportation( I don't recall his name Menetta?) he was in the bunker with Vader (Chainey) and he swore under oath that Vader (Dick Chainey) kept getting a report of in coming of object (missile) from a soldier that kept asking Vader (Chainey) if order still stands and Vader (Chainey) yells at him something to the effect "Did you hear me say that it doesn't?! Yes it still stands!" Meaning the order to stand down and let their exercise war game keep going.:coffee: Good Morning America this is your break they dropped the ball and exposed their plans let's exploit that and get it out there ....

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

The missing passengers has always niggled me. Did they even exist?

The families of the people that were on the planes. Are they real and do they actually exist?

And the flights themselves, did they actually exist on that day. Did they take off as flight 11 ect ect ?

I think that taking passengers into hangars and gassing them is far too risky. Overtaking a plane remotely is risky enough without having people on board jumping about.

I don't think the people or the planes existed on that day and everything was done remotely using missiles decorated as passenger jets. No people were on board and no terrorist were involved in anyway whatsoever. That's how I'd do it. If that event had to happen on that day then I would take no risks and just make it happen and rig those buildings just in case.

Another plane (missile) fails to hit the White House and lands in field.. (hero story)
Pentagon hit with missile for multiple reasons.

And none of this was orchestrated by Bush. It was an event that had to happen on that day in that way. The only risk was that people will wake up and smell the coffee but as usual they are way ahead of us and were prepared for that.

In fact I do believe they wanted people to wake up.

[Mike]

It was a terrific interview. Thanks Bill and thanks Rebekah.

It came off flawlessly. I never even once heard Rebekah say "um", "er", "uh", "wait, let me think" etc. She was so lucid and so confident of her knowledge that her version of events were expressed seamlessly. I was impressed.

I'm particularly interested in what we'd call the "lower level" people in the operation. You need all sorts to pull off a stunt like this, even people you're not terribly excited about involving. To me, they represent the cracks in the armor. The "boots on the ground" folks...emergency crews (if they indeed were that) that responded to the incident at the Pentagon and the incident in pennsylvania. And also any civilians that witnessed low flying planes etc.

[indigopete]

This interview blew my mind.

She sounds as authentic as they come....ughh, on second thoughts, maybe some due diligence is called for. https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/a-novel-idea-rebekah-roths-methodical-illusion-and-what-happened-to-the-planes-on-9-11/

Regardless, all the corporate research done is pretty astounding.

[Bill Ryan]

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The YouTube video is just published (with exactly the same audio track (http://projectavalon.net/Rebekah_Roth_talks_to_Bill_Ryan_10_Sept_2015.mp3)):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgJ1h-gbo8

[WhiteLove]

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The YouTube video is just published (with exactly the same audio track (http://projectavalon.net/Rebekah_Roth_talks_to_Bill_Ryan_10_Sept_2015.mp3)):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgJ1h-gbo8

I think this YouTube video is going to get many views and likes, it's a very powerful interview, thanks for sharing this important interview!

[AlaBil]

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The YouTube video is just published (with exactly the same audio track (http://projectavalon.net/Rebekah_Roth_talks_to_Bill_Ryan_10_Sept_2015.mp3)):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgJ1h-gbo8

I think this YouTube video is going to get many views and likes, it's a very powerful interview, thanks for sharing this important interview!

Bill,

Kudos to you for this interview and information. I especially appreciate the way you put it up here first for our use and then to a more public forum (YouTube) for public consumption. This is a totally selfless approach from you and Rebekah with all the efforts taken by you both to put this information in our hands.

My hat is off to you for your selfless work here and elsewhere:bigsmile::clapping::thumbsup:

[Arcturian108]

The missing passengers has always niggled me. Did they even exist?

The families of the people that were on the planes. Are they real and do they actually exist?

And the flights themselves, did they actually exist on that day. Did they take off as flight 11 ect ect ?

I think that taking passengers into hangars and gassing them is far too risky. Overtaking a plane remotely is risky enough without having people on board jumping about.

I don't think the people or the planes existed on that day and everything was done remotely using missiles decorated as passenger jets. No people were on board and no terrorist were involved in anyway whatsoever. That's how I'd do it. If that event had to happen on that day then I would take no risks and just make it happen and rig those buildings just in case.

Another plane (missile) fails to hit the White House and lands in field.. (hero story)
Pentagon hit with missile for multiple reasons.

And none of this was orchestrated by Bush. It was an event that had to happen on that day in that way. The only risk was that people will wake up and smell the coffee but as usual they are way ahead of us and were prepared for that.

In fact I do believe they wanted people to wake up.

Considering that TPTB's most recent modus operandi appears to be false flags with nobody killed (Sandy Hook & recent on-air reporters, etc.) it is possible that nobody was on the 9/11 planes. Over the years the strangest part of 9/11 for me was the supposed death of Barbara Olson, Theodore Olson's third wife. If she had died on September 11th, which was Theordore's birthday by the way, then I expected his grief to be so great that he would immediately resign from being part of the Bush administration. But he didn't, and he seemed to carry on without any major hiccups, marrying his fourth wife a few years later. Knowing what Ted Olson must know about 9/11, Barbara must be alive somewhere living with a new identity. Everything else just doesn't add up.

[ThePythonicCow]

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The YouTube video is just published (with exactly the same audio track (http://projectavalon.net/Rebekah_Roth_talks_to_Bill_Ryan_10_Sept_2015.mp3)):

Source: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgJ1h-gbo8[url]
Is the Youtube count of "Likes" capped on this video?

I see only 2 Likes, and I can't even get my attempt to click the thumbs up Like button to bump that count to 3.

This is a bit over 2 hours after Bill announced above that he had posted it.

[Cardillac]

if my long ago read sources are correct the planes did not land at stated air force base but were routed to Cleveland (Ohio) Hopkins airport and the passengers de-planed into stated airport's NASA facility and were never seen or heard from again-

before you think I'm crazy listen very carefully to interview at 1:09-20hr. where a labled "dillusion" passenger thought he was over Ohio- it freaked me out- me thinks there has to be just so much more that went on during 9/11 than meets our 5 senses...

Larry

[joeecho]

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The YouTube video is just published (with exactly the same audio track (http://projectavalon.net/Rebekah_Roth_talks_to_Bill_Ryan_10_Sept_2015.mp3)):

Source: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgJ1h-gbo8[url]
Is the Youtube count of "Likes" capped on this video?

I see only 2 Likes, and I can't even get my attempt to click the thumbs up Like button to bump that count to 3.

This is a bit over 2 hours after Bill announced above that he had posted it.

Were you signed in Paul? I just went to the YouTube site and it just recorded me as the 4th 'like'. I agree, interesting that there are only 4 likes (no dislikes) from 110 views.

I am 41 minutes into the video and speechless. I have read a lot and viewed a lot of 911 and this video has just added another 'wow' to my understanding of what very well could have happened on 911. Easily more compelling then any MSM narrative I have read......and that is putting in mildly!

Edit: Now up to 6 likes and 120 views.

[alexius]

Thanks a million for this Bill and Rebekah!

You both have such comfortable, calm and suiting voices. This interview provided a new inside perspective that I felt was missing regarding 9/11. I cannot thank you all enough! Much love and light <3

Blessings my friends. I look forward to the next interview already!

[kirolak]

Totally agree! Not often an interviewer is well spoken, hard hitting and charismatic all at once!

[ThePythonicCow]

Were you signed in Paul? I just went to the YouTube site and it just recorded me as the 4th 'like'.
Aha - not only was I not signed in, I also had half the javascripts on that page disabled (using "ublock origin"), so I did not get the pop-up message inviting me to sign in, when I tried to click the thanks. I just got no useful feedback.

Thanks !

[ThePythonicCow]

This video, while not the easiest to listen to, due to the almost monotone dialog, is, nevertheless, the most important single video, based on a "damning information per minute" criteria, of all the videos I've seen. ...

Where did the $2.3 trillion go? ...
I moved your post over to the thread that is discussing where the money went: 9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money (James Corbett) -- Post #39 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85192-9-11-Trillions-Follow-The-Money--James-Corbett-&p=998688&viewfull=1#post998688).

[Spellbound]

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The YouTube video is just published (with exactly the same audio track (http://projectavalon.net/Rebekah_Roth_talks_to_Bill_Ryan_10_Sept_2015.mp3)):

Source: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgJ1h-gbo8[url]
Is the Youtube count of "Likes" capped on this video?

I see only 2 Likes, and I can't even get my attempt to click the thumbs up Like button to bump that count to 3.

This is a bit over 2 hours after Bill announced above that he had posted it.

I was the first like (and 2 comments).

Dave - Toronto

[Matt P]

We should all know Youtube is famous for manipulating the "likes" on the videos to give the false impression that certain opinons are not popular. Just ignore those.

I am in agreement with others of the spectacular interview this is. I've listened to almost all 9/11 videos and conversations and this one ranks at the top! I am just blown away by Bill's excellent leading questions and Rebekah's incredibly poised and professional answers. She has that beautifully practiced airline voice without any wasted pauses...a star in the making. What a wonderful way to honor the anniversary!!

Matt

[Spellbound]

Nice to see Bill doing interviews once again. We've missed you, Bill!!

Dave - Toronto

[seehas]

I wouldnt wonder if dick cheney transfered the passengers directly to one of the mars colonys

[RunningDeer]

The "like" button worked for me a couple of minutes ago. Some of us listened to the audio yesterday, so the YouTube viewer count will not reflect the real time listeners.

Red faced :blushing:...stated the obvious :facepalm:.

Moving on...thank you, Bill. Thank you, Rebekah Roth.

♡

[Camilo]

Thanks Bill, great interview!

[Kerrigan]

This interview blew my mind. Thank you so much Bill. I will definitely share this video with friends. I think it's better than an introduction on the subject. It feel like it widen my perspective. Everything was so evident when she spoke. Really resonated with me and can't wait to hear more of her work.

[kirolak]

Thank you so much, a wonderful interview! I've subscribed to the channel (didn't know it existed!)

[Elixer]

Yes great content in that interview. Thanks for that!
But there is something troubling about this release, which is why I'm breaking silence, just to mention it.

I'll go 'Meta' and not discuss the actual information, but rather the interview itself, as a 'Release'.
This meta level is of interest, especially now that it's on youtube, "out there in the world" as it were.
Because of the quality of the information, and abundance of it, it has the potential to be of great importance and impact.
Whenever that is the case, scrutiny will increase, debunking-campaigns unleashed.
Is this Release strong enough to wheather those storms, or will it be blown away by them?
You have to ask yourself these questions, right?

In that light, I think it's just Crazy that no one has mentioned anything about the heavy-heavy editting done on this audio.
You can hear a little hiss for many cuts that have been made, especially when Bill speaks. Once you hear them, you'll be amazed at how many there are. (oops)
Throughout Rebekkah's audio as well, there are obvious cuts. This goes to the point where all fluidity is lost and the meaning gets harder to grasp.
(I've been working on a way to automate this type of cutting, which is probably why the cuts just jump out at me, cause a small inner-twitch.)

It's a practical necessity to cut, I realize. If it hadn't been, this conversation would have been too long to release in 1 part.
The original might be 4 hours long. I could not have listened to that. Bill's 'careful word-selection' would have driven me insane, I'm sure.
So I have no problem with editting, and am in fact grateful for it, but only long as it's being acknowledged. And it hasn't been in this case.
Bill has only hinted at it with his interesting 'audio-quality' remarks.

There have been comments on this thread, about the fluidity of the interview and her quality of speech and so on.
In my mind, these should all have prompted Bill to admit to doing some cutting. I guess they didn't.
(even though this may have been the poster's subtle intention?)


How is it that in the pages of this thread, none of you has mentioned anything about this?
Did nobody notice? Are you all just being polite? Don't want to hurt Bill's feelings by mentioning the 'butcher-job' he did? Afraid to get kicked of the forum if you do?
"You're all so gullible, even the sceptics." "Lovefest-PA"
Or does everybody know that editting is being done, so that it requires no acknowledgement? In that case, I've missed it...

I think this editting-business can have serious repercussions.
Because of it, people can say that the information was 'manipulated'; that it makes the Release 'misleading', that it is therefore disinfo, etc.
And they'd have a point. Edits make it easy to marginalize the significance of this information, to debunk it in the public's view.

You know a small [cut] can significantly alter the meaning of any information:
"I was [never] contacted by aliens".


I think Bill might have to also release the original audio, just to satisfy these debunkers, is what I'm saying.
There is probably going to be some embarrassment on a few levels... But it's gotta be done.
He might be eating his hat right now, reading this. Bon appetit ;-)

Obviously what applies to this Release, can be applied to information-releases in general. How to authenticate them and so on.
Bill is not the only one editting his audio and can you trust all those other radio hosts as implicitly as you trust Bill?
Can you really trust Bill as implicitly as you do?
I ask, because I think there's a little too much subjectivity going on here.
Respect for Bill, and gratitude, but he should not be the Idol he is to some of you out here.
I too want him to be great, so I like looking at him very critically, which is why I don't say much around here. Usually no need to rock the boat. ;-)

If you need to defer to Bill for authentication of a source, then what happens if Bill becomes the victim of a smear-campaign?
They might not have all their facts straight, but they sure make some strong points that require you to revisit your entire paradigm. (Flat-Earth-Theory effect.)
And you're going to be so angry with him, because he dissappointed you. Well, not his fault. Your expectations are to blame.
Ironically, the people saying they trust Bill, might at the same time preach about not-giving-your-power-away. Sigh.



Also of interest is Kerry's latest release with TheRuiner. It was similar, in that, it could have been great, but it has some problems.
Two questionable releases from the former-Camelot? One had too little info, the other too much.


Maybe I'm wrong. "Just hearing things". Maybe there was no editting done at all.
In that case, I'll eat My hat and apologize for bringing it up.
Or is it a Mountain of a Molehill?

To recap:
Why would you not just mention the editting and acknowledge it?
And why has no one here on PA picked up on this editting or remarked on it?

[Redstar Kachina]

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[araucaria]

@Elixer post #63. It’s good to hear that someone who in five years of membership here has never once pressed the thank you button is ‘grateful’ to Bill for his Rebekah Roth interview. However, your fear that something Ms Roth actually said may have been distorted in the normal cutting/cleaning up process will be totally unfounded if the lady has no objections as to his presentation of the interview. There is no reason why Bill should want to have distorted the words of someone who (speaking as someone who has listened to several of her other interviews and read her first book) very much sees eye to eye with Bill and many others on this forum. There is nothing in those interviews and that book – over which Bill obviously had no control – to invalidate anything said here.

If you are insinuating anything, maybe you should be a little more specific. Tell us what you heard that doesn’t sound right. Until then, I shall prefer to think that your putative “smear campaign” starts and finishes with your own post. For example, Bill says below, i.e. before the cutting was finished, that he did a “two-hour interview”; meaning that only a very few minutes were cut. Your suggestion that it may have been a mangled 4-hour interview was contradicted before you even made it.

(btw, I did a two hour interview with Rebekah Roth yesterday. Her view on #4 is the same as mine. I should release it this weekend... it may be a good one.)
Oh, I was forgetting: the thrust of your post is trusting Bill in the first place. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85125-Interview-with-The-Ruiner-Kerry-Cassidy&p=998227&viewfull=1#post998227)

[Humanbean]

Hi Elixer, I listened to the entire interview yesterday which I thought was exemplary in how it was conducted and in the quality of the information divulged. I had another (very cursory) listen just now to random parts of the recording after reading your post about heavy editing and as an experienced sound recordist and editor, although the pops and drop outs I heard could be caused by bad editing, they are very reminiscent to me of hardware and bit rate issues which is why they are heard predominantly on Bill's sound (i.e his set up is different to Rebekah's). Anyway, Bill will clear this up I'm sure, and as she is repeating information that she is, and has, put on the record elsewhere, your accusations of heavy editing, whether true or false, shouldn't detract from the veracity of the information conveyed. That's my two penneth anyway! Cheers! Vern.

[TODD & NORA]

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[Bill Ryan]

You can hear a little hiss for many cuts that have been made, especially when Bill speaks. Once you hear them, you'll be amazed at how many there are. (oops)
Throughout Rebekkah's audio as well, there are obvious cuts. This goes to the point where all fluidity is lost and the meaning gets harder to grasp.
(I've been working on a way to automate this type of cutting, which is probably why the cuts just jump out at me, cause a small inner-twitch.)

It's a practical necessity to cut, I realize. If it hadn't been, this conversation would have been too long to release in 1 part.
The original might be 4 hours long. I could not have listened to that. Bill's 'careful word-selection' would have driven me insane, I'm sure.
So I have no problem with editting, and am in fact grateful for it, but only long as it's being acknowledged. And it hasn't been in this case.
Bill has only hinted at it with his interesting 'audio-quality' remarks.



Many thanks for your remarks. I usually don't talk about the technicalities of what I do (or try to do! :bigsmile: ) — but that's ONLY because it's not the point, and discussions like this can be off-topic and distract from the substance of the important message, whatever it is. But I'm always happy personally to talk technical stuff to anyone, because this is how I learn.

I always edit audio to optimize it. To do that, I use Amadeus Pro, which I find is excellent. I can easily take out pauses and hesitations, adjust volume from moment to moment, filter out noise, cut and paste little clips, and lots else. I simply like to release something that's as pleasing to listen to (or look at, when I'm editing video) as possible, I enjoy it, unless the problems are too much of a hassle, and I'm reasonably good at what I've learned to do over the years.

What I'm really doing is compensating for often sometimes non-optimum recording equipment, background noise, etc etc. I'm sure George Noory and Jeff Rense don't have their dogs in the room, for instance, during their nightly radio shows. :)

What I did in this interview, though it was unplanned, (and this is what you may have picked up) is splice Rebekah's channel (recorded at her end with PrettyMay software, using clearly an excellent headset) with mine, recorded with a Zoom H2 voice recorder and no headset. I put the pieces together manually, which took a while. First me, then her, then me, then her, etc, etc, for two hours. That took many hours.

I had to do that because her PrettyMay didn't capture me very well, though her own voice was perfect, and at my end I used both Audio Hijack Pro (which created an unexplained echo on Rebekah) AND Skype Call Recorder, which failed to work at all for reasons I've e-mailed their tech people about (the two audio captures running at once may have interfered with one another). My Zoom recorder quality wasn't very good either, but that's because it was kind of muffled... I had a windbreak over it, one of those foam rubber covers, which I should have removed (my silly mistake). So then I had to try to optimize THAT, with a filter. :facepalm:

The original interview was only about 15 mins longer than what was released. I only edited those extra bits out because some of the very fine details of the company relationships would (in my judgment) have been confusing, and best belonged in the appendices of a book (e.g.) than in a bigger-picture-focus audio interview intended for a mixed audience. For instance, at the very end Rebekah looped back to talk more about the Israeli Art students and the connection with Mossad, when she'd already said quite a lot about that, we were just about to end the conversation. That would have put a kink in the whole natural flow of the conversation, and what she was adding didn't really belong anywhere else, either.

(Etc, etc, etc. You get the idea.)

And the 'pops' that appeared in my own recording... I do NOT know how they got in there. They weren't editing breaks: they may possibly have been caused by the filter I used on my voice only. I was aware of them, but I'd have had to have taken them all out manually.

In the end I made a judgment call and didn't take the extra hour or two to do that... I figured it wasn't sufficiently important, and just made a note to most definitely get it all right next time. I assume you were listening to the published interview with a good set of headphones (which I do not have).

One of the hassles about living in Ecuador (which in many ways is a very beautiful place to be) — several thousand feet up, on a farm, in the Andes! — is that one can't easily nip around to the local professional audio supplies store and pick up a piece of equipment for a few dollars. I have a friend visiting here from the US next week, and I've bought a couple of good microphones and an audio mixer for me to use next time.

I have interviews coming up with Shane/The Ruiner, and also with Jay Weidner, so I want those to be good... better than this one. Basically, Rebekah's voice sounded great, but mine was a little disappointing to me, even after all the cleaning up I tried to do. I'll get the extra bits and pieces at the weekend, so I'm looking forward to that.

In summary: I do apologize if you were distracted by the audio editing. It's ironic, because of course I'd wanted people NOT to be distracted by anything at all, hence all the work I did. Rest assured that you didn't miss very much at all from the raw audio original — and that nothing nefarious, or even remotely hidden, was taking place.

:focus:

[moekatz]

I've followed Ms. Roth's interviews on numerous other shows since March 2015. I do this to double check if the same info is being referred to and if the interview mirrors others she gives to a varied number of interviewers. I first heard her on C2C.
Her books are out and you may buy them to again compare Bill's interview with her written words. As far as implying that Bill might have edited his interview to hide? or to change? Roth's info seems pretty silly to me given all the other confirmations already on the web. Bill is unique as an interviewer because he does not chatter over his subject. He lets the person expound and unravel their own mystery leaving his narrative voice on the sidelines. I like that very much. Thanks to Ms.Roth for agreeing to speak to us and thank you Bill for spending so many waking hours for our edification.

[Mike]

Elixir, firstly, thank you for your fair and balanced approach. it was wonderful.

and your objectivity, of course. what a shining, beautiful beacon of integrity that was.

oops, sorry! too polite?:doh: forgive me, i act that way occasionally when i fear i may be kicked off the forum.

yes, i s'pose Bill's editing isn't perfect (oh christ, SORRY Bill! have i hurt your feelings??? and sorry to you too Elixir, for being too polite to Bill there. and sorry again, for being too polite to you there...and so forth)

you're right! one word can severely alter a sentence ( transparent trolls {never} "thank" members). we need to keep an eye on this type of stuff...

now, what would i do if someone launched a thinly veiled smear campaign against Bill that was masquerading as an honest, objective inquiry??? sheesh, not sure. i spose i'd be forced to burn my BRyan altar and allow my life size Bill butter sculpture to melt down to nothing but liquid and lard. and then i guess id just shrug my shoulders and shuffle off to find the next guy to give away all my power to. what else could i do, really? because we all know you cant trust someone without giving away all your power to them...bloody impossible!

it's critical that we have critical thinkers like you around Elixir, so keep up the good work. im so inspired by you that im going to pm Bill right this second and demand he release the original audio, all his emails, his voicemail, his dental records, his medical records, his social security number...and anything else that may have allowed him to hide his deception, including his favorite color and preference for female hair color. as you know, you can never be too certain...

p.s. you ever hear the one about the meta jew, meta pole, and the meta black guy? nevermind, ill pm it to you...

p.s.s. would you kindly thank this post? it would be an honor to be your first

[LittleTree]

Bill...Thank You, I Appreciate ALL of YOU!

I completed the interview this morning. Not only was it perfect with information, the delivery was eloquent and both of you have speaking voices that are very easy to process all being said, especially for the level of content discussed....just perfect, Thank You!

It led me to my family and the barrier we have over all of this. I want to share how I chose to handle it. To preface, I live with 2 who, for sake of set up, are inclined to spend copious amounts of time involved in science, history, war and ammunition, then technology...I want to share because I know I am not alone with this issue. Thank You again!

email to my little family unit:
My Boys, I love you both insanely. With all due love and respect, I refuse to speak directly w either of you
until you each listen and have discussion about what you hear in this 2hr recording.

You must also acknowledge and comprehend this term:

Cognitive Dissonance: In psychology, is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual
who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.

Here is the link... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgJ1h-gbo8#t=153

This Sovereign Woman was just a "Flight Attendant" for 30 yrs. I'm just a woman, a mom. We both pose the same questions "where is everybody? where is our Police, where is our Government?" Are we Biological Zombies? She has a website, all she has done is transcript-ed from legal documents that you would approve of...listen for yourself.

The difference between her and I are many and few. She stumbled upon something when beginning to attempt to write a novel and curiously began to follow connections. As did I stumble upon something so disheartening that I desired to understand. She too got physically ill - for the truth will make you sick...
or, you're a zombie or you're invested in the machine.

I love ya, I'm happy, I'm thrilled to be with you guys, nothing else changes. I will communicate clearly and concisely via every other method - just not directly anymore with you two- until you at least take 3 hours of your time to listen and discuss it w each other.....and hopefully invite me fully back in your lives at some point...hey, at least I can't speak till it's done! One big diff w our quest is mine has been spiritual and heart centered that led to political.

If you can not offer me the respect of passing a mere simple "Zombie Test", then you both can sit here and have at it...I have followed many a human to the gates of hell and ALWAYS refused to go in...
YOU TWO are indeed asking me to go in with you and I have to tell you, I will not go - not even for you two.

You are both my home, my heart, you expect my love and my care and my time and energy -
as I expect and so very much need too from both of you and desire and love and respect and cherish.....
I have lost my denial about life, my veil has been lifted and I was forced to see the truth. I have, at the very least 'banged on the damn door for you two, if you recall, you two literally had to come to my aid and nurse me for the last major aha ****ing moment, this stuff will seriously mess with how you view life!

I miss being fun and light hearten, I have been forced to pretend to be real w you two, pretend everything is status quo, when it is not. I loathe pretending. At least if you watch the video and you still choose to sleep, then okay, for we must each respect each other enough to live our very own personal brand of truth.
My truth, you are blindly jaywalking on the Autobahn.... and I as a human, as your mom and sister, as a fellow person on this Autobahn traveling with you, I have to at least be allowed to tell you "cars are coming!
It's time to take a looksee." Once you look, then okay. From there, I can find a way to lighten up again, find my honest humor once again...I miss it! At the very least, I will have a way of finding my peace with each of you and will leave it be if you choose to sleep. No more "harassment with my bs" about it. I will shut-up for you two.

Try to understand- that to me, both of your behavior is like two little kids w a mommy at some ER somewhere, asking mommy to smile, play, take care of us- wheeeeeeee, when her mind and very soul is and has been freaking the hell out from the moment they followed her husband-their father into the ER, bloodied and fighting for his life!

You both shut me down, you think I'm just whacked... "So, Boys...Ole Mom here is busy figuring out how to move forward in light of all these new circumstances, please sit down, shut up and watch this video for awhile!"

At this point, I am not afraid of our future. I am not afraid of my personal decisions and conclusions as to how I want to handle possible future scenarios. My current focus is on what to do as a free society, I know my decisions if it were to come down to slavery. I will not need the time to process these very important decisions if faced with any of them..because, I am busy learning, preparing, dealing, processing NOW...I am busy waking the hell up! I swear to know for my fact and truth, that there is no adult alive, really even beginning to open their eyes and see what is going on, that has not personally, emotionally, mentally experienced, suffered the feelings of a huge loss. To accept such horrifying things about our very existence brings the shattering of all that you thought we were as a country, as a society, as a people. It is a painful process that can make one physically ill! This concerns the validity and safety of our home and lives....our bigger ****ing home even more so than the mere reflection of dilapidation in our very own home here!

mirthbeam.com

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

Eight minutes after it was posted, I'm bumping the post above, from new member Tshuttleworth, already. :bearhug:

[LittleTree]

My sincerest apologies. I will figure out my inappropriate actions and do my best to rectify.

[Wide-Eyed]

I'm with Mike - BR, thanks for your sharing your technical production of interviews but please don't waste too much time explaining we get it . Let's spend our cycles getting the truth out there , Edit Elixer . :silent:

[Sierra]

My sincerest apologies. I will figure out my inappropriate actions and do my best to rectify.

Nothing to rectify :)

"Bumping" means some one thinks a post is SO good, they are writing a post only to draw attention to the "bumped" post. In other words, we think your post is AWESOME.

:thumbsup:

Good good luck with your sons. :heart:

[LittleTree]

Thank You Sierra! I am wading through my learning curve here...my apologies! I am delighted that it was well received!

[RunningDeer]

snip...
My Boys, I love you both insanely.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/AWESOME_zpsag99oxrs.gif
RunningDeer ♡

[gripreaper]

I just got back from a family reunion, filled with love, camaraderie and humanity, and I must confess, I have not listened to the interview. I by no means wish to hijack this thread or to take away from the importance of this information.

But, as we focus on the who, what, where, why and how, let us not be distracted by it. Just like in the JFK investigation, we all spent decades debating if the shots came from the grassy knoll or from the occupants in the very car the president was riding in.

In the case of 9-11, were scalar weapons used which are not available in the mainstrean? I believe so. Were the planes remotely controlled and flown, whisked away to a location, hidden, and the occupants murdered? Most likely.

What I find most disconcerting nowadays as I look at the state of consciousness, not necessarily my own, but the collective, is the amount of cognitive dissonance, and the ability of the controllers to steer consciousness, create memes, and actually microwave entrain entire populations to believe lies and follow agendas so willingly.

Even though the advent of the internet has done quite a bit to wake people up, and there are more people who are seeing through the lies, there is still an inordinate number of those who tow the party line and wish to remain within the boundaries of the prescribed path of society and the hierarchical control grid of commerce, supporting and defending the system, and looking the other way when uncomfortable truths are being presented to them.

This is the 14th anniversary of 9-11, only one person mentioned it at the reunion. I know that we got together as a family to enjoy each others company, but the conversation never strayed from the casual and mundane to anything of significance which, in my mind, illustrates the level of dissonance. It's rampant in my own family, all of which has a smart phone and has the information at their fingertips.

One thing that did happen which was somewhat eerie, was all our cell phones went off at the same time from an "Amber Alert" (about 50 cell phones). In the northwest of the United States, an Amber Alert is when a child is missing. Listening to the cacophony of cell phones beeping in unison was kinda creepy though. Alerting everyone at the same time to keep an eye out for the missing child, not so much. The ability for technology to do that is what is eerie.

Maybe I should have spoken up at the reunion and took the heat and rejection for ruining the party. Maybe just that one conversation I had with one young man in his 20's who is one of my nieces boyfriends, should give me hope. He was very awake and aware, and quite refreshingly so.

So, is two out of 50 close enough for the 100th monkey to show up?

[RunningDeer]

I just got back from a family reunion, filled with love, camaraderie and humanity, and I must confess, I have not listened to the interview. I by no means wish to hijack this thread or to take away from the importance of this information...

...Maybe I should have spoken up at the reunion and took the heat and rejection for ruining the party. Maybe just that one conversation I had with one young man in his 20's who is one of my nieces boyfriends, should give me hope. He was very awake and aware, and quite refreshingly so.

So, is two out of 50 close enough for the 100th monkey to show up?

So, is two out of 50 close enough for the 100th monkey to show up?

The short answer is, "Yup". It's exponential in effect. Those early, small steps are the big ones we (the awake) have forgotten.

I've got several more to add. I posted how last Thanksgiving my niece poured herself a tall glass of diet coke. In a private conversation, I managed to get out the studies that link aspartame to weight gain and cancer, before she shush me. (She’d put on a lot of weight.) I noticed that at the dinner table she sipped on ice water. And that tall glass of diet coke was still on the counter when she left with her two kids.

Fast forward to last weekend at a family gathering, my brother called out to assist, while I fished through the ice cooler for something that her kids could drink. He explained that there’s bottle water because they no longer drink soda. My response was a shout out to my slimmed down niece, “Way to go, Mama!”

One last example, I’ve been cherry picking news articles to send to family members. For the brother mentioned above, I slipped in how people googled “aspartame+cancer” and a boat load of articles pop up. I hadn’t seen him for six weeks, so the 15 lbs. he lost was noticeable. His secret? He not only cut out soda but also sugar. Too, I noticed they’ve substituted products with some of the ones I’ve mentioned, such as sea salt rather than Morton’s salt.

I may be pushing it, but this morning I sent him a surprise from Amazon. It's a copy of Michael Talbot’s, “The Holographic Universe“.

Those early, small steps are the big ones we’ve forgotten.

RunningDeer ♡

[LittleTree]

Dear All,

Thank You for the replies and praise, I'm delighted! I am not so forum savvy as of yet and would like to apologize if I do not navigate w enough agility to acknowledge and Thank each of you individually...I'm learning, my tech skills are not up to speed, nor my grammar and punctuation, the latter- not so concerned about!

To clarify a little more...I was writing the email posted here this morning- before my son woke up.
I wanted to wait until he had been up and had the chance to start is day before I went all trippy silent on him. When he woke, I asked him to think of anything he wanted to speak w me about and do so soon. I said, "think of it as if it was the last time I got to use my voice to communicate w you for a few weeks."
A little later, I told him that I was writing an email for both of them and that I wasn't going to speak after I hit send. From my perspective, I don't play games. This is no joke! I have been gently and sometimes not so when I was imbalanced w my own emotions trying to tell them for the last 7 months. They have watched me change. My son has opened up in the most incredible ways this year, be it his age as well as the universal pull to awaken. We have had some very precious talks to the wee hours.
When I started to listen to the interview w Reb myself last night, I went into my brother's room (who is still listening to Glen Beck during his workday), I played two sentences out of Rebekah's mouth and he rolled his eyes. I had honestly just spent the last waking hours, (which were absolutely record breaking for me btw!) since Friday working on his computer and setting up a new website for him. He had reverted back a few settings and had many issues....You guys, chunks of thought are priceless compared to words...kinda like gmo's vs organics! I wish I could lay out the dynamics of my household, impossible as for us all. Suffice it to say, it's forever, even in the wee hours, a house full of stimulating conversation, 3 different personalities and perspectives and a safe environment for spiritual, intellectual and emotional growth. That's only inside tho, externally, we have a hyper-sense of awareness of the current poverty/slave environment of our US economy. I have watched my family slowly move along with my big leaps and bounds in awakening and this was just the next logical step for me...I trust the path to appear and it does, I go with the flow downstream.
I have a blast with all of this madness in my own head, Thankfully, I got it awhile back that I'm not just talking to me when I am alone, I have felt for quite awhile there were other dimensions involved.

This is great practice for me. I practice patience and I have earned them by dealing w my **** continually...I "gots lots" of that pseudo spiritual training down pat! LOA, Let go, Let God, Haribol... don't know where all my training leads, but hey 'bring it, I'll talk to ya! But I'm a baby to it all too. I told my bro the other day...if we are free in three years, I can not wait to see who I am and what I get to be doing!

Bill has suggested posting this elsewhere on the Forum, I intend to do so. I'm a bit of a distracted, piscean multi-tasker in need of a technical learning curve in forum speak and do, so it may take me a little time to get there.
Thank You once again everyone!

[Snoweagle]

What a firecracker of a thread:-)

Appears Avalon has stronger fuses than the Liddel ones of our newly acquired interest:-)

Thanks Bill:-)

An extra special thank you to Rebekah as well. There are many reasons men consider women "hot" but nothing gladdens a man more than when she clarifies our purpose on simple truths.

@elixar you still sorting hiss on audio, did that as an apprentice forty years ago, inside tip: unresolvable, exists always. c'est le vie. I moved on. Your arguments should too. More clarity on our side. Remember Jericho? it was audio that did that too, we use forums today, brick by brick if necessary, Reverberation, a diminutive resonance, a dissonant hiss in your ear. How's that working for you:-)

[Rocky_Shorz]

this is the only video I know of, showing the first plane hitting the towers...






we've all seen the street workers video of the first plane hit, but I ran across this one which is from a different angle, the explosion looks huge compared to the other video...

can you tell if this one has the unit attached under the belly?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxTB3B3XPEI#t=41

at 42 secs, the back blew out before the plane finished hitting...
Wow! That's not the second plane hitting the south tower. That's the first plane, hitting the north tower (as you noted). It is taken from across the Hudson river, so the north tower, the one with the radio tower, is to the left. The sun (9 AM in the morning) is shining on the south side (the right side) of each tower, and the west side (left side from this view) is still in the shadow.

This is only the second video I have ever seen of the first, north tower, impact. The first such video being a well known shot by the French Naudet brothers film crew, while shooting a documentary from the streets of Manhattan.

Here are six still frames from the point right around the impact, extracted from the above video.

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame1.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame2.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame3.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame4.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame5.png

http://thepythoniccow.us/vlcsnap_north_tower_frame6.png
The resolution is too poor to identify the flying object, but it is about the right length for the American Airlines Flight 11 Boeing 767-223ER that supposedly hit the north tower. Such a plane is 160 feet long, and each twin tower was 64 meters on a side so had about a 150 foot diagonal.

The erupting explosion does indeed happen quickly, seemingly too quickly.

Here is a still from the better known video shot by Jules Naudet:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Firstplane.jpg

the hologram continues so it looks like the nose went all the way though the building popping out the other side before it was shut off...

great interview Bill...

[awakeningmom]

Great interview -- Bill, I so appreciate that you let your interviewee talk without interruption and only jumped in to ask for some big picture summaries or thoughts.

I still can't wrap my head around some of the anomalies....

1. First, I don't understand the voice message that her friend the purser (cabin manager) supposedly had on her voice recording device when she came back to Florida about the "if this gets tied to Israel there will be a backlash against the Jews..." Why would these people be leaving a phone message on her friend's phone? Are we supposed to understand that the lines got mixed up, like they used to back in the days of shared lines? This doesn't make sense!

2. I agree that some of the plane calls were very odd and didn't seem to line up with what the passengers/crew members would have seen if they were really where they said they were (i.e, "over Ohio," when they were supposedly about to hit the WTC, or "I see buildings, I see water...." from a flight attendant who clearly should know what the Manhattan skyline looks like, or someone who refused to speak to his wife and instead said his goodbyes to a random operator....!). I think Bill mentions in the interview that it seems almost like the "cue cards" got mixed up. But how could this be? I mean, Roth ties all of these corporations into this dastardly scheme, and there were so many pieces of the crime that had to be set up in advance. The planning must have taken years, and it required so many people to sign up for it, and yet "they" can't even get the cue cards right? Clearly they had to know which passengers were on which flights if they all landed at Westover AFB, and they had to know which plane was planned for which target....so why were these passenger/crew messages so bloody off? Hard to imagine that the planners would have allowed for any ad-libs in a murderous scheme of this magnitude.

Unless they wanted to be so sloppy so as to get caught? Or they wanted to see just how stupid or mesmerized the majority actually is, willing to accept a story with so many holes in it?

[LittleTree]

Hi Mom,

my thoughts are that we have been told over and over that the key to such treachery is to keep the left hand or vice versa in the dark as to what the right hand is doing. It has always been a frustrating thing in Gov the lack of communication between dept's.

I also feel as tho...somewhere down the line, they are under oath to tell a bare minimum of half truths....somehow to me , it seems part of the "whole" deal. In my research, I have seen so much about hollywood and I describe Any One in Commercial Media (music, news...all of it) as our modern day gladiators! We sit back- just like in Netflix's Spartacus (not HIS real Name) and watch them all perform, sacrifice and eventually die.

So..it seemed quite plausible to me. btw, this is the best docu on hollywood i have found, it's based on a blog written by a Theater Actress's account and perspective of life in Hollywood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhMcvWpKBpg

[ThePythonicCow]

this is the only video I know of, showing the first plane hitting the towers...
Early this year (2015) I posted all three videos that I know of showing the first plane hitting the north tower in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79470-WTC-9-11-Building-7----Clearly-Detonated----See-Footage-of-Explosions&p=928902&viewfull=1#post928902), with some comments. I have not observed the spiraling or cork screwing motion that Rebekah spoke of.

Here are the three videos (the first one is listed twice, first the more common version which also shows the second, south tower "impact", and the second one showing an "enhanced" version of just the first, north tower "impact"):
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[Ewan]

Just listened to this last night and it was riveting. This lady puts me to shame with her dedicated and untiring research, that she could uncover all this also puts all legitimate and genuine law officials to shame.

Reflecting on the overall picture though it is damning indeed on the overall conciousness of humanity, that all this information can be uncovered and presented, (not just Rebekah's work), yet nothing happens. It brings to mind a point in Shikasta, (or possible one of the subsequent novels), by Doris Lessing, where the chief Shammat operative on the planet made a report back to the home planet Puttiora, claiming, "Success, the entire planet is now immune to the truth!" (I recall from memory, may not be verbatim).

[Fellow Aspirant]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=31137&cid=1&stc=1Wow. Great images.

To me, blurs and all, it's NOT an airliner. There are no wings or tail structure.

The absence of a tail structure and the strong black indications of a hull, while showing lighter indications of tiny wings above and below it, indicate, to me, only one type of aircraft: a cruise missile.

B.

[Hazelfern]

Very compelling research and a great interview.

Here on the east coast we are having a string of beautiful days.
Crystal clear blue skies, cool mornings and warm days.
These are the kind of days that reminds one of that fateful day 14 years ago.

From my observations many folks have woken up but not nearly enough.
The Christian people who live next door are living day to day, putting their trust (and power) in the hands of Jesus. They look at me as a lost soul because I do not believe in their version of reality.

The living members of my family claim to be Christian but are even more dangerous than the people next door. They are willing to join the fighting forces to protect Israel because it is the 'footstool of God.'

[LittleTree]

Hello! Zombie Test Update: I am going over to "Alienation from loved ones while on the path of awakening (Advice Wanted)" to post my update...if anyone cares to share...Thank You!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84402-Alienation-from-loved-ones-while-on-the-path-of-awakening--Advice-Wanted-&p=999322&viewfull=1#post999322

[Apulu]

Absolutely loved this interview. What an amazing woman. It's certainly added to the list of glaring details that can't actually even really be debated, but none the less somehow still are.

I feel compelled to add to what's already been expressed: Bill - you seem to be writing the book on how to do a good interview - certainly with this kind of material, but probably in general too.

A large part of why I enjoy listening to your interviews is I that I experience a kind of relief - instead of being poised to jump in and direct where it's going, you seem to be super-focused on letting the thing flow of it's own accord - to go where it's supposed to go, unhindered. It feels like a triumph of instinct and intuition over ego-led thinking.

A Guide to Life: Beyond the Interviewer, by Bill Ryan

Oh and yes - please do more if at all possible!

[ThePythonicCow]

Listen to the truth being proclaimed. We the people will not stand by silently and allow the level of evil to continue. Please urge acquaintances and family to listen to this excerpt when George Galloway went to Washington in 2005 and addressed a Senate subcommittee: “Galloway showed what a man with fire in his belly can do.”

In the above posted youtube video,George Galloway is speaking to US Senator Norm Coleman (Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_Coleman), who became a Senator from Minnesota in 2002, after the incumbent, Paul Wellstone, that he was running against died was probably murdered in an airplane crash.

Recently, and/or currently (not sure which) Norm Coleman is:

an adviser to and board member of the Republican Jewish Coalition and board director,
the Chairman and CEO of the American Action Network,
on the National Advisory Council for the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition, and
a lobbyist on behalf of the government of Saudi Arabia.

[Michelle Marie]

Hi Moekatz... Just because some dastardly events may be planned does not mean that they will happen, or be allowed. It's my feeling and observation that there are higher powers, (ET's, angelic, etc), that have intervened on behalf of the good majority of people in the world... and that there are many good human folks working behind the scenes on behalf of a positive future for us all.

Have you ever heard of the 'Placebo Effect'?... That's where someone with an ailment is given a plain sugar pill, but is told that it is just the medicine they need to help their condition... then the person mysteriously becomes better. In effect, this is clearly mind over matter... or a built-in, natural, ability we all have which is based on our belief that something will happen... and then it does happen, just as we expected. So by this same logic, if we believe something 'bad' will happen, then we will be attracting or helping to manifest it also.

So it's very clear to me that our best course of action here is to hold a positive/bright vision for the future, so that we will be supporting a positive outcome for the whole planet.

For myself, I have tested/experimented with this 'mind-over-matter'/manifestation effect so many times by visualizing specific events or things to appear in my life... and they do... and always exactly as visualized. Also have done much 'prayer'/healing work which works very well in the same way basically. I'd be happy to share some personal experiences.

My feeling is that we all have this natural ability and are using it all the time... because it is our direct inheritance or blueprint from the original Creator/s... the 'power of creation'. We are 'creators' too! ... And we seem to finally be awakening to this reality in this world in larger numbers. The natural next step it seems is to gather into groups and start focusing on specific events taking place on the planet which will benefit the Earth, and all the people.


31151

We can share the INTENTION while we hold the VISION of what we wish to create. In our community, I've begun community visioning groups under the "Alchemy of Light" PROJECT. The image above is one of the newspaper headlines that I created to imagine the end result of "TAKING THE MEDIA BACK".

I was actually inspired to make many of the particular headlines by the inspiration garnered from Rebekah Roth's first book, Methodical Illusion.

I'm feeling more and more of a pull to work consciously and cooperatively with the angelic realm, among other normally unseen realms. We ARE working together.

****
I got SO jazzed when I first heard of this interview between Bill and Rebekah regarding her second book, Methodical Deception. SHE is working with angels. (That's my intuitive impression.)

THIS WILL BE A TURNING POINT!

I sense that this is what will not only wake up the masses to the truth, but will evolutionize souls to be more perceptive so that we won't be able to be deceived in such a large way. This IS our evolution. We are having an EVOLUTION REVOLUTION, meaning that our perceptive abilities are far more advanced than even their 'ARTIFICIAL' intelligence can count on.

I mean come on, REAL INFINITE INTELLIGENCE vs. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. The copy is a sham. Who would bet on artificial intelligence? No. We are becoming empowered with more intelligence than we have ever dreamed possible. Why? Truth is the basis of intelligence.

The future plans for destruction will not entirely manifest. They will be aborted, and that is happening NOW.

This truth, exposed to the masses regarding 9/11 and all of the characters and factual details, will be what falls the house of cards.

Geoengineering and GMO and all of their roots will be exposed IMMEDIATELY. Since the masses will be so upset with television news and other media for being so deceived, we WILL take the media back. I intend that the media is now devoted to Truth.

My other newspaper headlines are: "The U.S. pulls out of the U.N. and all other NGOs" (non government organizations- posing as govt.), "The cabal is exposed and dismantled" Oh, here, I'll post another one...

31150

Let's use our POWER. Each one of us counts, and together we are exponential.

AND...we are each guided and protected. Claim it to know it and live it.

This is the BEST TRUTH EVER!!!

Bill and Rebekah...thank you so much for your Divine Service. My heart feels so good because of you.

Love,
Michelle Marie

[LittleTree]

I mean come on, REAL INFINITE INTELLIGENCE vs. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. The copy is a sham. Who would bet on artificial intelligence? No. We are becoming empowered with more intelligence than we have ever dreamed possible. Why? Truth is the basis of intelligence.

Michelle Marie...Thank You!!! I have been dancing around saying this for...maybe several weeks now! It took walking the process to get to this point of knowing All is truly well, all of us becoming nice, shiney bright humans...Yes, bumps, maybe devastation. Our focus is KEY.
I've had an idea that has evolved over the last 7 years about a radio station (all this before I was 'in the know). I wanted to do a Pandora style except separate every single song ever by lyrics and only play what feels good...it's what my mirthbeam.com was for...a fun portal without the roller coaster ride of emotions, a safe place to unfrazzle.

My heart sings, my mind swims in the thrill of all the glorious technology and wonderful tools we have created - freed for organic co-creation!

[awakeningmom]

Family Breakthrough: sent this interview to my Fox TV watching father, the one who refused to watch Loose Change or entertain my emailed arguments....I asked him to please give Roth's interview a listen. I didn't expect much, but the next day he wrote back "I watched enough of this interview to be disturbed by things she said. I'm going to order her two books. Love, dad". Progress! :clapping:

[LittleTree]

I'm going to order her two books. Love, dad". Progress!

Friggin Awesome!

[Bill Ryan]

.
Rebekah just drew my attention to this...

http://theafricanspear.com/tag/joshua-ryne-goldberg

FBI Says ‘Australian ISIS Jihadist’ Who Encouraged 9/11 Anniversary Bombing Actually A Jewish American Named Joshua Ryne Goldberg

Extract:



A young Jewish American man has been charged with pretending to be an Australian-based Islamic State jihadist after a FBI joint investigation with the Australian Federal Police based on information provided by Fairfax Media.

Joshua Ryne Goldberg, a 20-year old living at his parents’ house in US state of Florida, is accused of posing online as “Australi Witness,” an IS supporter who publicly called for a series of attacks against individuals and events in western countries.

In recent days "Australi Witness" has claimed online that he is working with other jihadists to plan attacks in Australia and the United States. He distributed pictures of a bomb that he was working on with “2 lbs of explosives inside”.

[Bill Ryan]

Family Breakthrough: sent this interview to my Fox TV watching father, the one who refused to watch Loose Change or entertain my emailed arguments....I asked him to please give Roth's interview a listen. I didn't expect much, but the next day he wrote back "I watched enough of this interview to be disturbed by things she said. I'm going to order her two books. Love, dad". Progress! :clapping:

Lovely. :heart:

I just shared this with Rebekah. She was delighted... and says she actually hears this kind of story quite often.

[grapevine]

I'm looking for info on calls that were made from inside the Twin Towers which mention actually seeing the second plane hit, but can't find anything. Here is an account of somebody who was in TC2, who felt the impact and smelled jet fuel on the way down the stairs. But no info about actual planes other than hearsay. There is mention in the article below of a woman who was the only one to make it out from her floor. It would be interesting to hear her story.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2012/09/11/what_did_it_feel_like_to_be_inside_the_world_trade_center_at_the_time_of_the_9_11_attacks_.html

[giovonni]

note here is a most recent corresponding/information interview ...

Richie Allen with James Perloff (http://jamesperloff.com/)
"On 9/11, The Flight 11 Crew KNEW They Were Taking Part In a Terror Drill!"

Published on Sep 16, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pcPxxdTxFE&feature=em-uploademail

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'm looking for info on calls that were made from inside the Twin Towers which mention actually seeing the second plane hit, but can't find anything. Here is an account of somebody who was in TC2, who felt the impact and smelled jet fuel on the way down the stairs. But no info about actual planes other than hearsay.

Well there is this following testimony - from a surviving eye witness, and not a phonecall, that does mention the plane as seen from inside the tower before, during, and after impact. Stanley Praimnath. He's appeared in several 9/11 documentaries, telling his quite incredible tale:

http://www.crossmap.com/blogs/9-11-remembrance-only-known-survivor-from-trade-center-impact-zone-pays-tribute-to-gods-grace-3613
http://www.timteeman.com/2011/09/03/911-ten-years-on-the-survivors-the-blood-brothers/
bcdpMt38ip8

An excerpt of one of his accounts (below) states, if true, that a solid, actual aeroplane was involved:

He walked into his office and the phone rang immediately. It was a woman from Chicago. "Stan, Stan, get out, get out of the building." He assured the woman he was fine. "But you're not logged on to the computer," she said. Stanley still didn't know a plane hit the first building.

As he assured the woman he was safe, he stood up near his desk, while he held the phone in his hand, and just happened to look toward the Statue of Liberty. Suddenly he saw a huge plane, gray in color, that flew straight at him. "It was coming at me at eye-level contact," he notes. Praimnath could make out the letter 'U' on the tail. It was United flight 175.

"As the plane was getting nearer I could hear a revving sound the engine was making, like the sound a plane makes when it's about to take off," Praimnath says. "Quadruple that sound, and that's the sound I could hear, even in this soundproof building. I can still hear that sound in my head," he says. "That sound will never go away."

"I'm standing up looking at this plane getting bigger and nearer," Praimnath says. "You don't know how fast your mind is reacting."

In desperation he cried out to God: "Lord, I can't do this-you take over," and he dove under his desk. Praimnath's Bible still sat on top of the desk. The plane slammed into the building with immense force. The bottom of the wing sliced through his office and stuck in his office door 20 feet away from where he huddled.

Sounds miraculous that he suvived at all, and virtually unscathed!

In another interview, the 'U' he saw emblazoned on the tale, he called a 'giant U'. And that is interesting.

This is Boeing 767 N612UA, seen in 1999, and the actual aircraft that purportedly hit the south tower on September 11th. Can the logo on the tale be construed as a Giant 'U'?

31159

What exactly was this 'U' he saw? Would it even have been visible from his angle/perspective, when the plane was flying directly at him? It's worth noting, I have also read another account of his (source unverified however) where he states that he saw an American Airlines plane flying at his building, not a United...

[Lifebringer]

It is quite a "bread crumb trail, Bill. The secret is out, the judgement is in, the prayers heard in the Universe and the more I see that ET crop circle with the message: "We don't like deceit," all the while the "tangled web spinners of woe are responsible for schtupping the world." Like the guy in Stephen King's "Needful things." Getting everyone to weaken each other for the take over? Kinda makes you go, hmmm, for a moment, then a firm...Not if I can do something about it netwise.
Just glad the lancing of this festering boil, is finally happening after 14 years.

[araucaria]

I'm looking for info on calls that were made from inside the Twin Towers which mention actually seeing the second plane hit, but can't find anything. Here is an account of somebody who was in TC2, who felt the impact and smelled jet fuel on the way down the stairs. But no info about actual planes other than hearsay.

Well there is this following testimony - from a surviving eye witness, and not a phonecall, that does mention the plane as seen from inside the tower before, during, and after impact. Stanley Praimnath. He's appeared in several 9/11 documentaries, telling his quite incredible tale:

http://www.crossmap.com/blogs/9-11-remembrance-only-known-survivor-from-trade-center-impact-zone-pays-tribute-to-gods-grace-3613
http://www.timteeman.com/2011/09/03/911-ten-years-on-the-survivors-the-blood-brothers/
bcdpMt38ip8

An excerpt of one of his accounts (below) states, if true, that a solid, actual aeroplane was involved:

He walked into his office and the phone rang immediately. It was a woman from Chicago. "Stan, Stan, get out, get out of the building." He assured the woman he was fine. "But you're not logged on to the computer," she said. Stanley still didn't know a plane hit the first building.

As he assured the woman he was safe, he stood up near his desk, while he held the phone in his hand, and just happened to look toward the Statue of Liberty. Suddenly he saw a huge plane, gray in color, that flew straight at him. "It was coming at me at eye-level contact," he notes. Praimnath could make out the letter 'U' on the tail. It was United flight 175.

"As the plane was getting nearer I could hear a revving sound the engine was making, like the sound a plane makes when it's about to take off," Praimnath says. "Quadruple that sound, and that's the sound I could hear, even in this soundproof building. I can still hear that sound in my head," he says. "That sound will never go away."

"I'm standing up looking at this plane getting bigger and nearer," Praimnath says. "You don't know how fast your mind is reacting."

In desperation he cried out to God: "Lord, I can't do this-you take over," and he dove under his desk. Praimnath's Bible still sat on top of the desk. The plane slammed into the building with immense force. The bottom of the wing sliced through his office and stuck in his office door 20 feet away from where he huddled.

Sounds miraculous that he suvived at all, and virtually unscathed!

In another interview, the 'U' he saw emblazoned on the tale, he called a 'giant U'. And that is interesting.

This is Boeing 767 N612UA, seen in 1999, and the actual aircraft that purportedly hit the south tower on September 11th. Can the logo on the tale be construed as a Giant 'U'?

31159

What exactly was this 'U' he saw? Would it even have been visible from his angle/perspective, when the plane was flying directly at him? It's worth noting, I have also read another account of his (source unverified however) where he states that he saw an American Airlines plane flying at his building, not a United...
When you have an eye-witness stating that something that couldn’t happen did happen, such as aluminium carving through steel like butter through a knife, then there is reason to believe some form of hypnosis has occurred, whether individual or, as observer suggests here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85175-14th-Anniversary-9-11-questions&p=998624&viewfull=1#post998624), mass hypnosis.

[EarthMan]

Great interview but there are some questionable points for example she claims that the transponder frequency is used to remotely control the planes but as I understand a transponder only sends a signal it’s not a receiver. More likely something like the "Boeing Uninterruptible Auto Pilot" as described by Field McConnell could have been used and I don't recall her ever talking about this system of taking over a planes control remotely. Maybe she is just unaware of this or has just decided not mentioned it?

Also worth checking out is the investigator Andrew Johnson's comments about Rebekah, he makes some valid points that we need to also take in to account. http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=410&Itemid=60

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

When you have an eye-witness stating that something that couldn’t happen did happen, such as aluminium carving through steel like butter through a knife, then there is reason to believe some form of hypnosis has occurred, whether individual or, as observer suggests here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85175-14th-Anniversary-9-11-questions&p=998624&viewfull=1#post998624), mass hypnosis.

I have been an eye-witness of things that I would not have thought possible.

So I choose to reserve some judgement here based on Brian's Clarke's testimony (fellow survivor) which backs up Praimnath's. For one thing, their accounts are solid and consistent, and delivered with genuine emotion. They should not be dismissed simply because they not jive with an assumption - and that's what this boils down to: an assumption, that the WTC *could not possibly* have been hit by two physically real aeroplanes.

Planes as solid objects are more plausible to me than planes depicted by holographic projections. I don't rule out either scenario, but re Stanley Praimneth, I'm just playing devil's advocate, and presenting a piece of evidence.

[Bill Ryan]

Great interview but there are some questionable points for example she claims that the transponder frequency is used to remotely control the planes but as I understand a transponder only sends a signal it’s not a receiver. More likely something like the "Boeing Uninterruptible Auto Pilot" as described by Field McConnell could have been used and I don't recall her ever talking about this system of taking over a planes control remotely. Maybe she is just unaware of this or has just decided not mentioned it?


Rebekah cited and described the FTS (Flight Termination System)... here it is:

http://sysplan.com/capabilities/radar/fts

[EarthMan]

Thanks Bill, missed that.

[araucaria]

When you have an eye-witness stating that something that couldn’t happen did happen, such as aluminium carving through steel like butter through a knife, then there is reason to believe some form of hypnosis has occurred, whether individual or, as observer suggests here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85175-14th-Anniversary-9-11-questions&p=998624&viewfull=1#post998624), mass hypnosis.

I have been an eye-witness of things that I would not have thought possible.

So I choose to reserve some judgement here based on Brian's Clarke's testimony (fellow survivor) which backs up Praimnath's. For one thing, their accounts are solid and consistent, and delivered with genuine emotion. They should not be dismissed simply because they not jive with an assumption - and that's what this boils down to: an assumption, that the WTC *could not possibly* have been hit by two physically real aeroplanes.

Planes as solid objects are more plausible to me than planes depicted by holographic projections. I don't rule out either scenario, but re Stanley Praimneth, I'm just playing devil's advocate, and presenting a piece of evidence.
Yes, you might see something you thought impossible, but it still has an explanation, if not in ordinary human physics, in some kind of extraordinary meta-physics.


If you take an ordinary aircraft and an ordinary steel tower block, there is no ordinary way that the plane is going to enter the building. That is not an assumption; it is a materialist scientific given. If ever you see someone walking through a wall, it is because they are from a different dimension or in an alternate state of being, one such state being holographic. The normal wall will suffer no damage. You cannot in your normal state walk through a wall in its normal state. If the situation involves destruction and therefore aggressive intent, then you can expect some kind of deceit to be used to overlay the apparent normal state with something else. Your witness(es) may well be faithfully describing what they saw, but they do not understand what it is, they do not know what hit them.


When the seemingly impossible happens, that merely proves that it is possible after all, and the seeming is just an appearance, implying inadequate understanding. In a negative context like this, that is deceitful. The fact that two witnesses saw the same thing does not make the impossible possible, it simply rules out the individual, possibly hypnotic, misunderstanding, but not the collective one.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Transponders can transmit automatically when interrogated by ground radar, or they can transmit manually by pushing a button on the transponder front panel.

The manually selected 4 digit code can be set to help air traffic control (ATC) identify the aircraft position on a radar screen.

There are squawk codes reserved for the pilot to use during certain emergencies, such as hijack.

In some (not all) controlled air space, typically in a very congested area, a Mode C altimeter is required. A Mode C altimeter adds pressure altitude information to the transmitted transponder data so ATC can see both position and altitude of the aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_%28aeronautics%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_%28aeronautics%29)

[Michelle Marie]

Can someone please help me? I'm trying to download the .mp3 of this interview. Once I got part of it. I got home and listened to 30 minutes. Later, I was able to leave home and listen to the whole thing, but I still need to download it for my friend who is home sick. There is no Internet at his home.

It seems to be a link rather than a file. So, is there a way to access and download the file?

Thanks!
Love,
Michelle Marie

[Star Tsar]

Can someone please help me? I'm trying to download the .mp3 of this interview. Once I got part of it. I got home and listened to 30 minutes. Later, I was able to leave home and listen to the whole thing, but I still need to download it for my friend who is home sick. There is no Internet at his home.

It seems to be a link rather than a file. So, is there a way to access and download the file?

Thanks!
Love,
Michelle Marie

Right click on link and select either save target as / save link as & select download target :)

[Michelle Marie]

Can someone please help me? I'm trying to download the .mp3 of this interview. Once I got part of it. I got home and listened to 30 minutes. Later, I was able to leave home and listen to the whole thing, but I still need to download it for my friend who is home sick. There is no Internet at his home.

It seems to be a link rather than a file. So, is there a way to access and download the file?

Thanks!
Love,
Michelle Marie

Right click on link and select either save target as / save link as & select download target :)

Still trying...
I got the file with .part listed after the .mp3 file extension.
Tried it again...it just opened. I'll see if I got the whole thing.
Thanks! I REALLY appreciate your help.

Oh boy, after many attempts, it was successful!

Heaps of gratitude!
Michelle Marie






Edit from Bill: Star Tsar explained it correctly. If the filename shows up with .mp3.part at the end, then it means it's still downloading (and is therefore incomplete, so won't play yet). That's why it worked when you tried it again a short while later. :)

:focus:

[Michelle Marie]

Thanks, Bill.

My computer is running slow and I probably "jumped the gun" with all my excitement about this!

You are awesome and I'm sending lots of LoveLight blessings.

Someday maybe you will comprehend the enormity of all the good you are doing. My life has been deeply impacted by truth you (and Kerry) have shared courageously.

Michelle Marie

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

"If you take an ordinary aircraft and an ordinary steel tower block..."

That’s the thing, because nothing was ordinary that day, nothing was as it seemed.

I knew this early on. Think most of us did. The moment I heard the lead hijacker, Mohammed Atta, had driven all the way up to Portland, Maine, from New York, to board a flight to Boston, where he would in turn board American Airlines Flight 11, I knew something was wrong. Why would he do that? Why drive north, beyond Boston, all the way to Maine, to catch a flight back south to Boston? The answer: to leave his bags behind - his terrorist ‘kitbag’ and the Al-Qaeda operational handbook etc, which conveniently did not accompany him on the plane! It was left at the airport, and it contained a whole host of damning evidence tying him to the devilish plot. (Did he purposely set himself up?) Like his passport that was reportedly discovered at ground zero (yeh right), or the Lee Harvey Oswald photograph, posing with his rifle. It all says, ‘I did it, I’m the one, look no further than me…’ This is classic patsy territory.

But anyway, I don't know what part the alleged 19 hijackers played. I don’t know if they really did board those flights, and hijack them. Even if they did, I don’t believe they piloted them, and flew into targets on the ground. I suspect, and have long suspected, even before hearing Rebekah’s account, that those planes must have been remotely piloted. They were crappy pilots, and only then with small, single-engine light aircraft. There’s no way they could pull off the manoeuvres those large Boeings did that day.

I still don’t know about the Pentagon. I mean, if you wanted to hit the Pentagon with a plane, and you have a ‘hijacked’ plane at your disposal, and under your control, why fire a missile instead? Why the hell would you risk firing a missile, out in the open, next to a busy public highway, in broad daylight? I just don’t get that. It makes no sense, so I have a hard time believing this angle of the ‘conspiracy theory’. I don't know about the Air Force base that Rebekah talks about, of the real planes landing there, its passengers shepherded into hangars and gassed and all that. I just don’t know. For now, I still believe that physical planes, of some kind, did strike the WTC, and the Pentagon, and one crashed in Shanksville.


Your witness(es) may well be faithfully describing what they saw, but they do not understand what it is, they do not know what hit them.

In my opinion, they saw what was there: an aeroplane. What else did they see? What else did everyone else see? To me it feels a lot more realistic to contemplate planes really hitting buildings, than some sort of widespread hypnosis event (involving thousands) making people believe a depiction, an illusion, of what wasn’t actually there at all, whilst at the same time faking, and making consistent, hundreds of photos and video clips. Even if it were possible to do, hypnosis makes no sense anyway. ‘They’ had probably been planning this for years. They had it all perfectly set up: real planes and real buildings, and real terrorists (or persons programmed/coerced/set up to be terrorists), to fly those planes, or at least appear to board those planes, putting them on site as the patsy, to pull this off for real. So why think 9/11 was all just some illusion or magic trick? 3,000 people lost their lives. 9/11 was as real as it gets.

The fake holographic plane scenario could be fake in itself - a red herring planted from day one, designed to throw people off, as well as stir up a sense of ridicule in those outside the truth movement who would, on the weight of that theory alone (and small wonder), write off the whole 9/11 conspiracy scene.

Consider for one moment:
An aircraft hits tower 1. The event is photographed and videoed by a few, and seen by many. Minutes later, another aircraft hits tower 2. It is photographed and videoed by dozens, seen by thousands, and watched on TV by millions.

Occam's Razor suggests, probably demands, that what we all perceive as two aircraft hitting two towers, probably was two aircraft hitting two towers. Why cannot it be just that? There is nothing unlikely or scientifically impossible about that happening. Why the hell would "they" fake two aircraft hitting the WTC (with all the world watching), when they easily have the power to do so for real? There is nothing at all unlikely or impossible about what the above witness said he saw and experienced that day.

For years, people have been saying aluminium cannot slice through steel, therefore the planes are fake, footage of the planes are fake, or eye-witness testimony is fake, etc., etc. Has anyone ever stopped for one moment to think that maybe the building themselves were fake??

Of course, I’m not suggesting the World Trade Centre wasn’t there. But what if it wasn’t steel the planes were slicing through? Consider alternatives to fake planes:

1. Maybe the skeleton of the structure across the affected floors was not ordinary steel. Maybe something about the quality of the steel was changed beforehand. Some have mooted secret energy weapons being in play that day. Maybe they weakened the steel superstructure of the WTC before the planes hit them, so when the collisions came, they could pass through with ease, all the way into the building and explode.

2. Alternatively, perhaps some sort of explosive was planted in specific locations - dynamite for example. A flash of light, just in front of the nose cone, was seen at the moment of impact when United175 struck the south tower. Perhaps the steel columns, in the millisecond prior to impact, were collapsed/imploded. Evidence of thermite was found in the debris. Maybe this was how it was used. I don’t know - I’m just putting this out there…

3. What if there was something unusual about the planes we don’t know about? Such as special modifications for the task, such as enhanced engines, or reinforced wings that could slice steel, etc.

4. Consider an aircraft in the range of 200 tons, and travelling at high velocity, hitting a stationary object, like the ground, or a structure. What sort of force does that generate? A lot, I imagine. It doesn’t seem possible that a particle of dust would punch a hole in an orbiting satellite, or crack a window in the space station. Its mass is tiny, just tiny. Cartoon physics? This can and does happen. When a plane hits a building, that’s a lot of speed, and a lot of mass, resulting in an awful lot of kinetic energy being released. Even if aluminium won’t slice solid steel, might it at the very least break the welded seams that connect each individual steel panel?


5. Maybe something else about the planes came into play, something attached to the fuselage to help them penetrate the facade of the building. Bombs, missiles, lasers, who knows. Not quite sure about the whole ‘pod’ theory though, suspicious though certain phots appear at first glance. I believe the pod was a natural feature of the aircraft, as seen in this image http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/salter/podimages/missilehighlight.jpg

I honestly don't know. So many questions, so many unknowns! I’m simply suggesting that there are alternative theories to consider, and the above which I came up with in half an hour are all more plausible to me than holographic planes and mass hypnotic illusions…

[Harley]

That’s the thing, because nothing was ordinary that day, nothing was as it seemed.

That's because it was a "Made for TV, Based on a True Story, Movie Premier" event.

Very easy to do.

And as far as the live witnesses go, those that were easily convinced as to what they witnessed were covered and interviewed by the mainstream media

And those live witnesses that were not easily convinced and knew what they witnessed were simply ignored.

If you have the mainstream media working for you, you can sell anything to the world.

[take]

That was a good and interesting interview, lots of new details, connections and hypotheses I did not know.

But can you clear to me why she first talks about how cell phones don't work in airplanes, in 1800 feet was it? That it would've been impossible to make phone calls from inside the planes.
But towards the end she uses calls made from the planes as arguments for her theories? ("I think we're in Ohio" etc) I found it confusing that she wasn't very consistent whether or not alledged phone calls from the planes could be concidered credible or not. Or have I missed or misunderstood something?


Also, I feel I should mention this, I feel some people attacked Elixer because of his post, when he only had good intentions to make sure that nothing could be used as material to discredit the truth value of this interview. Critical thinking and differing points of views is exactly what this forum needs. But that's a different topic. Was suprised to see some of the reactions, that's all.

Now back to topic please.

[Bill Ryan]

But towards the end she uses calls made from the planes as arguments for her theories? ("I think we're in Ohio" etc) I found it confusing that she wasn't very consistent whether or not alledged phone calls from the planes could be concidered credible or not. Or have I missed or misunderstood something?



Yes, that was a misunderstanding. That was one of the cellphone calls made when on the ground, in the hangar at Westover Air Base... but all according to a script. (Or cue cards, or having been told/ordered what to say, or something!)

Rebekah was explaining that



It had to have been a faked call (meaning: a real call made on the ground), because no-one (and if I remember correctly, that person was a pilot) could ever have made that error, when, according to what was supposed to be happening, the plane was clearly over New York... something that would have been evident to anyone just by looking out of the window.

(Therefore: there was no window to look out of. The person making the call could NOT see New York, because they were in a hangar, and were being told what to say.)



That constituted evidence (combined with the content of another, different, cellphone call, saying that the caller was worried they were going to crash the plane into the Sears Tower) that there was a mixup of the storylines, and that there had been another plan, never executed, to fly something into the Sears Tower. There was no way that any hijacker would ever have told a passenger what their intentions were.

[take]

Yes, that was a misunderstanding. That was one of the cellphone calls made when on the ground, in the hangar at Westover Air Base... but all according to a script. (Or cue cards, or having been told/ordered what to say, or something!)

Rebekah was explaining that



It had to have been a faked call (meaning: a real call made on the ground), because no-one (and if I remember correctly, that person was a pilot) could ever have made that error, when, according to what was supposed to be happening, the plane was clearly over New York... something that would have been evident to anyone just by looking out of the window.

(Therefore: there was no window to look out of. The person making the call could NOT see New York, because they were in a hangar, and were being told what to say.)



That constituted evidence (combined with the content of another, different, cellphone call, saying that the caller was worried they were going to crash the plane into the Sears Tower) that there was a mixup of the storylines, and that there had been another plan, never executed, to fly something into the Sears Tower. There was no way that any hijacker would ever have told a passenger what their intentions were.


Thanks for clearing that out.
I think I need to listen to the interview again at some point.

BUT. The calls about Ohio and Chicago could make sense, if the passengers were indeed flown to Cleveland in stead of Westover as Cardillac suggested in post#49, and the calls made from the planes somehow.


Here's some speculation (sorry for the lack of sources on anything, I'm tired and in a hurry)
So maybe, and just maybe, there is a possibility that the towers indeed were hit by military planes without pilots or passengers, with strengthened wings (I remeber hearing somewhere how the US military needed to strengthen the wings on some aircraft like the C-5A for instance), and maybe the passengers on the landed flights were all in on it? Perhaps they didn't know they were part of it, but were nevertheless. (in chains of command you very rarely need to know what's going on, just do as you're told)
This could also explain why there were so few passengers on those flights.They had to depart as genuine commercial flights to make it all look credible, but could have landed right after take off and replaced with military planes? Could it be possible?

PS. as I was writing this, a commercial jet just flew SUPER low right above my house, which is very unusual. And it was LOUD. Gave me chills...

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks for clearing that out.
I think I need to listen to the interview again at some point.

Yes, it's quite complicated!


BUT. The calls about Ohio and Chicago could make sense, if the passengers were indeed flown to Cleveland in stead of Westover as Cardillac suggested in post#49, and the calls made from the planes somehow.

The logic went: cellphone calls can't be made above about 1800 feet... period. So the calls must have been made on the ground, or very close to the ground. The first cellphone calls started to be made about 20 minutes after each flight had taken off.

That means that each plane had made only a short flight before landing again.

The rest is just a matter of looking on a map. Westover is the only solution... it has very large hangars, a 10,000 foot runway (needed to land for planes with a full load of fuel), and the personnel at the base were all given leave BEFORE the towers were hit, and put up in hotels for a two day period. (Go figure.)

AND — one local resident SAW a United Airlines 767 (which must have been Flight 175) coming into land, very low, very soon after 8.30 am that morning. Case closed... really.




there is a possibility that the towers indeed were hit by military planes without pilots or passengers, with strengthened wings

My personal opinion is that that can't be discounted. The first plane to hit looks quite large, but doesn't LOOK like a passenger plane... of course, whoever orchestrated all this may have been gambling on that impact not being captured by any cameras at all.

And incidentally, I've not done the math, but Rebekah states that it's going WAY too fast for a passenger plane. She says that a number of first hand initial reports stated that it was a missile. Its speed could be calculated in confirmation if we estimate the frame speed (30 fps?) of the two videos that exist. (Does anyone want to do this? Might not be too hard.)

For the second impact, when all the TV crews would certainly be there, and thousands of people with their own cameras, the plane would need to be more convincing. So a strengthened military plane seems possible. There is still the question of no plane parts being found, though.... although of course they may have been vaporized/'dustified', too.

[AndrewJohnson]

Please the article, kindly linked above by Earthman.

Roth presents no new information (much of it has been available for 10 years), doesn't disclose the airline she worked for and she gets things wrong. Who is this woman?

Just another pied-piper who accidentally (through ignorance) or deliberately (by design) helps keep the cover up going.

This clip of her on Coast to Coast, responding to a caller, is also revealing:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Rebekah%20Roth%20-%20Coast%20to%20Coast%20-%2019%20Mar%202015%20-%20Tesla%20Technology.mp3

Can anyone else figure out what she is trying to say?

Probably not - that's the point, it seems.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Please the article, kindly linked above by Earthman.

Roth presents no new information (much of it has been available for 10 years), doesn't disclose the airline she worked for and she gets things wrong. Who is this woman?

Just another pied-piper who accidentally (through ignorance) or deliberately (by design) helps keep the cover up going.

This clip of her on Coast to Coast, responding to a caller, is also revealing:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Rebekah%20Roth%20-%20Coast%20to%20Coast%20-%2019%20Mar%202015%20-%20Tesla%20Technology.mp3

Can anyone else figure out what she is trying to say?

Probably not - that's the point, it seems.

I listened to the audio clip.
Rebekah Roth makes sense to me.

[Cidersomerset]

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audi...Technology.mp3
Can anyone else figure out what she is trying to say?

I don't know Andrew your the expert it sounded like she was only speculating on
exotic weapons including lasers and there could of been a combination of methods
used to bring down the various buildings. I don't think she is trying to claim she
knows the answer just speaking generally about the various theories. Jim Fetzer
below seems to be favouring the 'mini nuke' as part of the destruction of the towers.

Jim Fetzer was on the Richie Allen show the other night and he queried something
Rebekah said. I don't find it a problem yet , as her main theme or the way she
is telling it is what matters. The finer details and there will be many as there are
still several theories going around and researchers like yourself will go over this
with a fine tooth comb, and I appreciate your views on this subject and watched
most of your presentations and I would not argue with you on the technical points.
But she seems pretty genuine to me .......

Jim Fetzer From 911Scholars.org With New Amazing
Revelations About What Really Happened On 9/11

Aprox 37 min in Jim is asked about Rebekah and he gives some comments....

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Published on 11 Sep 2015
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[Bill Ryan]

This clip of her on Coast to Coast, responding to a caller, is also revealing:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Rebekah%20Roth%20-%20Coast%20to%20Coast%20-%2019%20Mar%202015%20-%20Tesla%20Technology.mp3

Can anyone else figure out what she is trying to say?

Probably not - that's the point, it seems.

Hi, Andrew — delighted to have you here with us.

Yes, it seemed pretty clear... it was clear the first time I heard it, but here's the transcript:





George Noory: International caller, Leah, in Ottawa, Canada — welcome to the program. Leah, you’re on the air with us.

Leah: Thanks for taking my call. Remember, George, you had a woman saying that it was Tesla technology that took down the towers?

George Noory: That was Dr Judy Wood.

Leah: Yes. I’m wondering, Rebekah, if you entertain those ideas at all, because it would even work in with your theory, because your concentration isn’t so much the buildings.

Rebekah: Well, you know, it’s interesting. I’ve actually been contacted by some scientists who are trying to give me a heads-up without losing their jobs and without, you know.... everything we do is monitored now, so almost some of our conversations almost in code.

And so getting to that, there is a technology that was used, I can almost guarantee you — even though I’m not a scientist, I am taking with one that was relating some information that... let me just put it to you this way, when... our military has established, and are actually using, things such as laser weapons.

We don’t know about it on the ground unless we’re in Research and Development and a scientist, or in the higher-up part of the Pentagon, perhaps.

The amount of things that were used to bring those towers down, there could have been a dozen or more methodologies. There may not have just been nanothermite — they did find nanothermite — that may only have only been one of the techniques used. They just needed to make sure that they were absolutely turned to dust.

And so I am not a building demolition expert, but I am open-minded to believe that... I know that ten years ago, if we would have said somebody had a laser weapon that could shoot through a tank, in five seconds or less, and burn through it in a hot-hot-hot... and that laser weapons, by the way, chemical lasers, actually do create a great deal of heat, and that’s one thing that we see reported from the World Trade Center towers. The degree of heat was much more beyond kerosene fires from jet fuel.

George Noory: Yes, there’s no doubt about that, too.

In summary: Rebekah is saying


There were multiple explosive/demolition technologies used.
She's been contacted by at least one scientist, who is being very cagey.
Some of the technologies used may be classified, or highly advanced, and we may not know about them in the public domain.
She cites military laser technology as an example.
She states that kerosene could not have created the heat.
She does not dismiss Judy Wood's ideas at all. (She also told that to me personally, not included in the interview that I presume you've listened to.)

[EarthMan]

Hi Ron, She does sound a little vague and slightly confused in the sound clip to me. It is interesting she talks about intense heat in the buildings, could this heat have actually been microwave radiation and not heat from fires as she is implying?

Also I may be wrong (please correct me if I am) but I am sure I heard her say in a recent interview that the large explosion in the port of Tianjin, northern China displayed some similarities to 911 events with regard to burnt out cars from intense heat.

Could this be a subliminal with reference to Dr. Judy Wood's description of "toasted cars", these were in a large car park that was a very long way from the twin towers. These cars were not subject to any heat, yet they had the appearance of being burnt and had even turned rusty. I think she did reference Dr. Wood but inferred that heat again was the cause.

[AndrewJohnson]

Bill,

Well, yes - it's clear that she has no clue what she is talking about. She gives no real information "so almost some of our conversations almost in code." Wow! What code? Why is it code? It is saying a lot without revealing anything. More to the point, we KNOW how the towers were destroyed already - this was discovered by Dr Judy Wood between 2001 and 2007. The evidence pertaining to this destruction was taken to court in 2007. Didn't you know about this? Well, some people KNOW. I wrote a book which contains much of this important information. It's not in code and it's free! http://tinyurl.com/911ftb

So where did Roth work Bill? Did you ask her? What was the discipline of the scientist that she referred to in her interview?

If you look on my website and Dr Wood's website, you can find a lot about who we worked for and where we worked - and what our science/engineering experience is. I suppose Bill, you don't know how the towers were destroyed yet and you want to just get people to endlessly speculate about it. It's kinda fun, ay? Except that those that used the weaponry might use it again - and blame it on ISIS detonated nukes.

Of course she doesn't dismiss Wood's work - I didn't mention that in my original post though, did I?

However, she does not say "Yes, Dr Wood is correct. I've studied the documents she submitted to court. I know that SAIC are big benefactors of the black budget." Neither did she mention ARA - one of the other defendants in the court case. I bet she didn't mention Hurricane Erin either, nor the likely reason it was there. But hey, lets just speculate and not talk about evidence. People might actually realise what's going on, ye know!

Good luck!

For those that want a lot of detailed information, please refer to this page: http://tinyurl.com/911wrh, little speculation and should illustrate to you what the title of the page says i.e. "What Happened on 911 and How it is Covered Up". Also, folks might like to note what Mr Paul Hellyer realised a while ago. Here's info about that too... http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=412&Itemid=60

[AndrewJohnson]

Forgot to say - thanks for the transcript Bill - you've saved me a job! Cheers!

[Cidersomerset]

If you look on my website and Dr Wood's website, you can find a lot about
who we worked for and where we worked - and what our science/engineering experience
is. I suppose Bill, you don't know how the towers were destroyed yet and you want to
just get people to endlessly speculate about it. It's kinda fun, ay? Except that those that
used the weaponry might use it again - and blame it on ISIS detonated nukes.

I may not argue with you on the technical material Andrew , but that's a bit rude.
I know Bill can answer for himself if he wish's , but you sound a bit 'stressed' ...


Forgot to say - thanks for the transcript Bill - you've saved me a job! Cheers!

That's better...LOL

[Bill Ryan]

Bill,

Well, yes - it's clear that she has no clue what she is talking about. She gives no real information "so almost some of our conversations almost in code." Wow! What code? Why is it code?

Because the scientist who was contact with her was aware he might well be being monitored. You and I have probably both experienced calls like that. One has to talk in inferences, and avoid certain keywords. Clearly, he was being super-cautious.


It is saying a lot without revealing anything. More to the point, we KNOW how the towers were destroyed already - this was discovered by Dr Judy Wood between 2001 and 2007. The evidence pertaining to this destruction was taken to court in 2007. Didn't you know about this? Well, some people KNOW. I wrote a book which contains much of this important information. It's not in code and it's free! http://tinyurl.com/911ftb

Yes... Judy's work is not being questioned here: not by me (I am most interested in her work), and not by Rebekah. She's a former airline hostess (not a professional scientist), though she does have a degree in chemistry. She does not profess to be a career scientist.

Her expertise is in the airline industry. That's where we can all learn from her, because a bunch of us missed a lot of clues. That's her contribution. Nothing about high tech weaponry — which of course I'm certain exists, a view agreed on by everyone reading this now.


So where did Roth work Bill? Did you ask her? What was the discipline of the scientist that she referred to in her interview?

I don't think it matters what airline Rebekah worked for... it's very evident she has the experience and credentials. That should be clear to anyone who's listened to her interviews and/or read her books.

The discipline of the scientist... of course, I don't know. But why might he not be trying to tell her about exactly the kind of thing that Judy Wood has been postulating?

There are no contradictions or anomalies here — at all.


If you look on my website and Dr Wood's website, you can find a lot about who we worked for and where we worked - and what our science/engineering experience is. I suppose Bill, you don't know how the towers were destroyed yet and you want to just get people to endlessly speculate about it. It's kinda fun, ay? Except that those that used the weaponry might use it again - and blame it on ISIS detonated nukes.

With respect, I'd suggest that's not the point. Nowhere close! Rebekah's contribution, which is significant, is that the planes were flown to Westover Air Base, the calls were made from there, and the passengers all likely killed there and then, save a few who were in on the event.


Of course she doesn't dismiss Wood's work - I didn't mention that in my original post though, did I?

Right. But, please forgive me (and this is a genuine question) — then what problem do you have with her contributions from what IS her expertise? Why are you so hostile?


However, she does not say "Yes, Dr Wood is correct. I've studied the documents she submitted to court. I know that SAIC are big benefactors of the black budget." Neither did she mention ARA - one of the other defendants in the court case. I bet she didn't mention Hurricane Erin either, nor the likely reason it was there. But hey, lets just speculate and not talk about evidence. People might actually realise what's going on, ye know!


My guess (and I do not know, but I can ask her — so could you, of course: you know how to contact her, yes? If not, I can give you her contact details) is that she is not up to speed with those documents. That's not where her research line has been leading her.

This is a team effort. Everyone's contributions, including yours, of course, are needed and valued, and should be heard.

Do please continue to add your thoughts and perspectives... we welcome that, and I'm delighted you're here.

[ThePythonicCow]

Can anyone else figure out what she is trying to say?

Probably not - that's the point, it seems.
Presumably in this question your asking if anyone else can figure out what Rebekah is saying pertains specifically to that MP3 clip of her responding to caller Leah on the George Noory show to the question of what brought the towers down.

Rebekah is quite clear in her answer (thanks Bill, for the transcript, posted just above), consistent with everything she has said all along, that she's not a building demolition expert, especially not in the more exotic technologies that must have been used on the World Trade Center buildings on 9/11. However she clearly agrees with the work of yourself and others such as Judy Wood that it took more than kerosene to so dramatically convert those two massive towers to mostly fine dust in 10 seconds per tower.

But your other more general criticisms of Rebekah and her 9/11 work are, in my view, uncalled for and seriously misguided. That you continue to persist, months ago on your blog, and now here, in slamming Rebekah Roth's excellent, expert and original work in analyzing what happened to the Planes and their crew and passengers on 9/11, with little or no substance that I can discern, makes me wonder what you're up to.

I urge readers to read with caution your comments so far regarding Rebekah's work on 9/11.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[AndrewJohnson]

Can anyone else figure out what she is trying to say?

Probably not - that's the point, it seems.
Presumably in this question your asking if anyone else can figure out what Rebekah is saying pertains specifically to that MP3 clip of her responding to caller Leah on the George Noory show to the question of what brought the towers down.

Rebekah is quite clear in her answer (thanks Bill, for the transcript, posted just above), consistent with everything she has said all along, that she's not a building demolition expert, especially not in the more exotic technologies that must have been used on the World Trade Center buildings on 9/11. However she clearly agrees with the work of yourself and others such as Judy Wood that it took more than kerosene to so dramatically convert those two massive towers to mostly fine dust in 10 seconds per tower.

But your other more general criticisms of Rebekah and her 9/11 work are, in my view, uncalled for and seriously misguided. That you continue to persist, months ago on your blog, and now here, in slamming Rebekah Roth's excellent, expert and original work in analyzing what happened to the Planes and their crew and passengers on 9/11, with little or no substance that I can discern, makes me wonder what you're up to.

I urge readers to read with caution your comments so far regarding Rebekah's work on 9/11.

I urge readers to read with caution your comments so far regarding my comments. I also urge them to study my references and contact me if they wish to ask any questions or check anything. Can we do that with you Paul? Do you have a website? Do you give public presentations? Do you post your name, address and telephone number like I do Paul? Or is this simply more "forum noise"?

[Daozen]

And why are readers going round in circles on 9/11 when everyone has made up their minds years ago? I don't see much new information here, only rehashing minutiae.

[ThePythonicCow]

And why are readers going round in circles on 9/11 when everyone has made up their minds years ago? I don't see much new information here, only rehashing minutiae.
Some of Rebekah's insights and research are new, so far as I know. I have studied 9/11 for years, and I didn't know where the planes went, until her work. That's a critical piece of the puzzle, and helps provide further shape and insight to the overall events of 9/11.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Sometimes it is very difficult to discuss differences of opinions and separate facts from speculation and intuition. Especially when one side is threatened by the possibility that he/she has been lied to/programmed (intentionally and unintentionally) since birth about so much from a variety of trusted sources.

When some people feel their foundation of trust is threatened they lash out at whoever has presented the offending information, be it true or false.

Differences of opinion need to be addressed with respect and a cool head. Otherwise the dark side becomes stronger.

It is very likely that some false information is planted in fertile ground to keep people distracted with arguments that may be of little value for finding solutions.

The bottom line is that we need to brainstorm about potential solutions instead of distractions. United we stand and divided we fall.

:focus:

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Bill Ryan]

And why are readers going round in circles on 9/11 when everyone has made up their minds years ago? I don't see much new information here, only rehashing minutiae.
Some of Rebekah's insights and research are new, so far as I know. I have studied 9/11 for years, and I didn't know where the planes went, until her work. That's a critical piece of the puzzle, and helps provide further shape and insight to the overall events of 9/11.

Yes, I could have written exactly that. Rebekah's findings ARE new, and significant, too. But that's in one area of the broad 9/11 landscape... she doesn't pretend to know what hit the Twin Towers, or what brought them down, for instance.

No way for a career flight attendant to be an expert on that (except that she knows, and has shown beyond reasonable doubt, that it couldn't have been the passenger flights themselves that were claimed to have been the 'weapons').

Of interest, maybe, I'd like to copy here a brief exchange of views on the mods' Skype chat. Both posts I think are worth sharing with the members here.

One of the team wrote:




To me, it seems as if Andrew Johnson is highly frustrated with the progress regarding the processing of 911 in the alternative arena and in general. I sense a lot of pain, which turns into hostility. In other words, I don't think he means to derail or be a troll, but is frustrated that "the little dummies everywhere still haven't figured it all out by now." Doesn't justify his conduct though, of course.
I replied:




I see it as territorial. (Another word for control issues and jealousy.) Rebekah is the new kid on the block. Kerry Cassidy and I had the same experience when we suddenly came onto the scene in 2006 as unknowns. Others were really resentful, like we'd gate-crashed a party, uninvited. Merit and new approaches had nothing to do with it. We were seen (by some) as impostors.

This territoriality issue is an issue elsewhere... in archeology, for instance, it's endemic everywhere you look. If you don't seem to have the proper credentials, and have not served enough 'time', then no matter how smart (or correct!) you are, you're likely to be cold-shouldered and marginalized (or character-assassinated — Andrew, you'd not be trying to do that with Rebekah, would you? — by the establishment).

And we shouldn't deceive ourselves: there are 'establishment' figures (so to speak) in the alternative community, too. Those who feel they were here first, and resent new blood. That's really true, and it's a shame... truly great teachers, and truly great experts, genuinely welcome new blood, and new ideas.

This is not a competition. We're simply trying to get to the truth, and no-one can do it alone.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Today's 9/11 is unfolding in real time...

<— Bumping this. Please keep us informed.

:bump:

[Michelle Marie]

Can anyone else figure out what she is trying to say?

Probably not - that's the point, it seems.
Presumably in this question your asking if anyone else can figure out what Rebekah is saying pertains specifically to that MP3 clip of her responding to caller Leah on the George Noory show to the question of what brought the towers down.

Rebekah is quite clear in her answer (thanks Bill, for the transcript, posted just above), consistent with everything she has said all along, that she's not a building demolition expert, especially not in the more exotic technologies that must have been used on the World Trade Center buildings on 9/11. However she clearly agrees with the work of yourself and others such as Judy Wood that it took more than kerosene to so dramatically convert those two massive towers to mostly fine dust in 10 seconds per tower.

But your other more general criticisms of Rebekah and her 9/11 work are, in my view, uncalled for and seriously misguided. That you continue to persist, months ago on your blog, and now here, in slamming Rebekah Roth's excellent, expert and original work in analyzing what happened to the Planes and their crew and passengers on 9/11, with little or no substance that I can discern, makes me wonder what you're up to.

I urge readers to read with caution your comments so far regarding Rebekah's work on 9/11.

I urge readers to read with caution your comments so far regarding my comments. I also urge them to study my references and contact me if they wish to ask any questions or check anything. Can we do that with you Paul? Do you have a website? Do you give public presentations? Do you post your name, address and telephone number like I do Paul? Or is this simply more "forum noise"?

We can feel that energy ... It's offensive to interrupt a cooperative effort to gather information with such rude expressions. I usually ignore such posts, but I feel like defending the nice people who are staying considerate and professional.

Can you please center and calm down and be peaceful in your heart?

It would be very much appreciated.
Love transmutes,
Mm

[Michelle Marie]

Today's 9/11 is unfolding in real time...

Where did this get bumped to? Where is today's 9/11?

[Bill Ryan]

Today's 9/11 is unfolding in real time...

Where did this get bumped to? Where is today's 9/11?

See post #129, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1000133&viewfull=1#post1000133):



The day after Jade Helm 15 concluded, on September 16, DHS and local law enforcement have been very active in downtown DC according to first-hand accounts, stationing personnel in the metro stations and this afternoon dozens of vehicles along a several block area adjacent to 1400 K St NW. One of our contacts in DC confirmed with DHS that the radical Muslim populations that have infiltrated the United States via porous borders and legal immigration from the Middle East and South America are already creating serious problems for law enforcement personnel. Jade Helm for all practical purposes has already "gone live".

Updates will be posted to http://event-x.blogspot.com/ as new information is received.

THIS IS NOT A DRILL...

It's up to Buddha's Palm (not me) to say more about who they are, but I think I can safely explain that they are well-connected, pretty smart, and very experienced — and if they are concerned about something, then we should pay some attention.

[Constance]

The bottom line is that we need to brainstorm about potential solutions instead of distractions. United we stand and divided we fall.

:focus:
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

[Michelle Marie]

Today's 9/11 is unfolding in real time...

Where did this get bumped to? Where is today's 9/11?

See post #129, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1000133&viewfull=1#post1000133):



The day after Jade Helm 15 concluded, on September 16, DHS and local law enforcement have been very active in downtown DC according to first-hand accounts, stationing personnel in the metro stations and this afternoon dozens of vehicles along a several block area adjacent to 1400 K St NW. One of our contacts in DC confirmed with DHS that the radical Muslim populations that have infiltrated the United States via porous borders and legal immigration from the Middle East and South America are already creating serious problems for law enforcement personnel. Jade Helm for all practical purposes has already "gone live".

Updates will be posted to http://event-x.blogspot.com/ as new information is received.

THIS IS NOT A DRILL...

It's up to Buddha's Palm (not me) to say more about who they are, but I think I can safely explain that they are well-connected, pretty smart, and very experienced — and if they are concerned about something, then we should pay some attention.

Ok, thanks. I saw that, but I thought there was a new thread that I couldn't find.

AND...PS: after calling several bookstores to purchase "Methodical Deception," I had to order a copy since they don't have them in stock. Has anybody read it through yet? I'm really looking forward to it....arriving next week.

I read "methodical Illusion" in one sitting. I couldn't put it down!

Love to all!
MM

[Michelle Marie]

The bottom line is that we need to brainstorm about potential solutions instead of distractions. United we stand and divided we fall.

:focus:
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

Yes! Let's unite in :heart::heart:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Rebekah's books can be ordered on Amazon, Kindle or hard copy.
Link (http://smile.amazon.com/Methodical-Deception-Rebekah-Roth-ebook/dp/B014NE6UWU/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1442537535&sr=1-1&keywords=rebekah+roth)

[Constance]

The bottom line is that we need to brainstorm about potential solutions instead of distractions. United we stand and divided we fall.

:focus:
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

Yes! Let's unite in :heart::heart:

I second that, third that, fourth that...to infinity...:heart:

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[ThePythonicCow]

AND...PS: after calling several bookstores to purchase "Methodical Deception," I had to order a copy since they don't have them in stock. Has anybody read it through yet? I'm really looking forward to it....arriving next week.

I read "methodical Illusion" in one sitting. I couldn't put it down!
I too read "Methodical Illusion", and "Methodical Deception", each in one sitting. "Methodical Deception" has been available on Kindle for a couple of weeks now.

[Rocky_Shorz]

woah,

I got in an argument with my dad tonight, he is ex military

Benghazi is still coming up in politics, so I asked, so if 700 CIA agents involved in arms for oil came under attack for running a secret black ops prison, and they come under attaack, by a group trying to release their leader, does the US military have responsibility to save them?

he said yes, the CIA are American citizens, whether ghost operatives or not...

after back and forth discussion, I said you were military, 9/11 was an attack by the leaders of our country, and Israel to draw us into a war, are the leaders of our country guilty of treason, or the ones trying to expose their crimes.

he said " anyone not giving support to their country's leaders, are traitors...

holy ****...

I guess all of us are on the terrorist watch list...

[gripreaper]

. What is unfolding is a slow escalation of incidents in the U.S. and Europe that will continue escalating as the third intifada converges with domestic uprisings. This is a self-organized criticality type of event, appearing organic in nature and culminating in some sort of "Event X" scenario that will demarcate the trigger for unification of East and West under the banner of a lasting, global peace via a comprehensive Middle East peace agreement.

In the coming years it will appear that lightworkers are "surrounded" and cannot "win"...then outside intervention ensures our collective survival in the form of a cosmological intervention. Whether this particular scenario unfolds as described is largely indeterminate. Simply focus on how the human collective is being manipulated and understand why we are being manipulated in this manner. By seeing things as they are, people will develop greater insight into what needs to be done as events unfold. In a nutshell, use the force within you. ;)

Thanks Todd for your input. I've been wondering what the scuttlebutt might be coming from the hill. As you've stated, no matter what the shenanigans, the ultimate outcome is based on how we use the force that is within us.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[awakeningmom]

I have no problem with the fact that Rebekkah Roth doesn't know what hit/didn't hit the towers or how the towers came down. I agree that that is not what she brought to the table. I also have no problem (As Andrew Johnson apparently does as indicated in his article that was linked by Earthman at post #103) with the fact that Roth just "came onto the scene" after so many years. Nothing particularly suspicious about that. There is plenty of room for new Truthers -- lots of them, in my opinion! I too just "woke up" to 9-11 Truth in 2013, and as soon as I realized that the official story was a pack of lies, I probably spent about 50 hours obsessively watching videos, reading books, and researching on the internet nonstop for at least six months, trying to find the elusive Truth. Obviously this is a mere fraction of the time that Roth has put into this -- and she has expertise that is relevant to what happened/didn't happen that day. I also stopped looking into WHAT caused the towers to fall/collapse/dustify (whatever) -- after reading one too many hostile arguments/diatribes from certain truth movement "experts" or arm-chair scientists who clearly had very strong feelings about what they thought they knew and what they thought others didn't know (due to their superior "credentials" or scientific backgrounds of course). Frankly, although I know that the WHAT is still important (particularly if advanced weaponry was used that supposedly doesn't exist), once you know it didn't happen the way we were told, why has it been so impossibly difficult for all of us to collectively move on to the WHO and to the WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT NOW?

So I don't share Johnson's disdain for Roth's sudden appearance on the scene or her lack of knowledge on the WTC collapses. However, what DOES concern me about Roth is that some of her information requires us to take her word for it without any 3P verification or evidence in support. For example, the voice message supposedly left on her friend the purser's voice machine regarding Israel's involvement. Who else can confirm this very odd voicemail? Roth says the FBI took it away....so is the only other person who can verify this odd story the purser (and if so, has she gone public with this)? Or what about the MA resident/person Roth claims has come forward to her (privately) saying she saw flight 175 land at Westover AFB? That's pretty explosive information. But shouldn't there have been a lot more residents who saw this?

Anyway, while I do appreciate Roth's theory -- and I think she comes across as a very credible person in her interviews, I'm still a bit concerned about the lack of substantiation other than Roth's indication that people in the know have reached out to her privately after reading her books confirming some part of her theory. I think we have to be careful not to let these private confirmations simply become part of the alternative story we accept without question -- I personally can't see myself trying to convince friends or family based on an author's statement that a piece of the puzzle was privately confirmed to that author alone.

[gripreaper]

The whole 9-11 debacle is fraught with strong emotions and the reason being, is because it shatters all of our illusions if we look at the truth of it. Were talking about a global effort, so organized, so covert, and so outrageous that it is very difficult for most to grok.

If we admit that there is an elite group of psychopaths, who have their tentacles in the highest echelon's of all governments and militaries on the planet, that have the capability to dustify two steel and concrete buildings at freefall speed, defying the very laws of physics as we know them, and keep the populace from the truth through media entrainment, all the while the official story defying all logic, is it any wonder?

Its almost impossible for those of us who have studied every single minutia detail of the story extensively for the last fourteen years, to not surmise that there has to have been an astral or off world component to this gargantuan false flag entrainment psy-op, because it was so ritualistic, so deeply entraining, and so deeply embedded in the human psyche all over the world, it just seems to have way too much energy and power behind it.

I know of no other global experience that even comes close.

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[araucaria]

@Star Mariner, post #113 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=999851&viewfull=1#post999851) – my apologies for the belated response.

That’s the thing, because nothing was ordinary that day, nothing was as it seemed.

Fair enough. But then you backtrack completely by saying

In my opinion, they saw what was there: an aeroplane. What else did they see? What else did everyone else see? To me it feels a lot more realistic to contemplate planes really hitting buildings,

two aircraft hitting two towers. Why cannot it be just that? There is nothing unlikely or scientifically impossible about that happening.

Your realism has been thrown out the window. There is nothing realistic, i.e. scientifically possible, about aluminium carving through best quality steel, or for that matter large aircraft flying so low and so fast: it is just the same as trying to drive round a 30 mph bend at 80, it’s not going to happen, even by remote control. When no rational explanation comes to mind, the real explanation is going to seem magical. Magic is by definition something with a rational explanation that doesn’t occur to you. The magician produces a rabbit out of somewhere fairly local, Bai Saba produces ash out of the aether, and when you don’t understand what’s going on you can easily take the magician for some wonderful enlightened being, or alternatively suspect Bai Saba of being a mere magician. You are simply left with your lack of understanding. When you realize that the magician is not cutting the girl in half, you are faced with another layer of mystery: how did she squeeze into such a tiny space? Answer: because, counter-intuitively, her total volume does not exceed the available volume. But, taking this a step further, suppose it did. In that case, she would have to disappear altogether in a paranormal manner. That is the sort of thing we are talking about here. The girl/the plane is not where she/it is supposed to be. The plane is allegedly in a box that is too ‘small’ for it, therefore it has to be somewhere else.

As the French writer Jean Cocteau said, “Quand les bornes sont franchies, il n’y a plus de limites”, which roughly translates, Anything can happen when you throw out the rule-book. As regards aircraft sightings, one thing that happens fairly frequently, I gather, is that what one person sees as a UFO someone with them will see as a plane. In other words, what you ‘see’ depends on your level of perception and expectation.

Your use of Occam’s razor to avoid this issue is fascinating. Such things as reinforced aircraft or pre-weakened steel girders are enough to have poor Occam cut his throat. :) If the girders were pre-weakened, the buildings would have collapsed much earlier and in a more conventional manner than they did. You are clinging to the idea that a simple conventional plane crash had to happen, leading you into all kinds of unsimple, unconventional speculation. We can all do a half-hour brainstorming session like you just did, but what is the point of reinventing the wheel when there are qualified researchers out there who have been investigating these subjects for years? Most of them proceed by ruling out the impossible, and some of them get to the point where they need to push back the line where the impossible used to start. And they work to explain anomalies, as opposed to seeing how a conventional preconceived explanation can be squeezed into the known facts.

If you are prepared to envisage weakened steel and/or strengthened aluminium, maybe you should also take a closer look at the eyewitness’s mettle rather than simply accept him as being honest and reliable. Let me offer another take on the guy with the bible on his WTC desk (!! – an obvious candidate for salvation/safety). His testimony to me was very unexpected: more like a sermon than the typical survivor’s account. And the lesson of the day would be Jonah’s deliverance from the belly of the whale. If you’ve read that great American epic oil industry narrative, Moby Dick, you may be reminded of Chapter 9, The Sermon (‘Terrors upon terrors run shouting through his soul. In all his cringing attitudes, the God-fugitive is now too plainly known.’) or Chapter 78, Cisterns and Buckets in which a Jonah figure, Tashtego, is saved from drowning in a whale’s oily head through some ‘agile obstetrics’; or you may recall Chapter 83, Jonah historically regarded, which is a debunking of the bible story, notably pointing out that Jonah’s landing point near Niniveh, on the Tigris, is nowhere near the Mediterranean where he was sailing, or even any sea. In the light of the above, the story of your 911 survivor’s escape by being pulled through a tiny hole in a wall is a clear rewrite of Melville’s ‘agile obstetrics’.

Borges in ‘Theme of the Traitor and the Hero’ (see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66854-Are-we-living-a-pre-scripted-story--Implications-Revelations-and-the-Future-&p=777383&viewfull=1#post777383)) writes, ‘That history should have copied history was already sufficiently astonishing; that history should copy literature was inconceivable’ – unless, like his, it is a tale of false heroes and real traitors perpetrating a false flag attack under a veil of secrecy. In the case of 911 we have a repetitive sequence of a) history copying history: ‘a new Pearl Harbor’; b) history copying ‘history’ (the bible story), i.e. history copying literature; c) history copying proper (Melvillean) literature; and d) history again copying literature: the Borges scenario. For an eyewitness in the tower to claim he saw a plane hit him is therefore blatantly scripted. And of course the subtext is delivery of the message that Bagdad, like its neighbour Niniveh, would be punished by divine shock and awe; Bagdad would repent, only this time ‘God’ did not relent. The whole thing is a (real-life) fairytale. The magic of story-telling – time to take this particular book back to the library…

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78782-Charlie-Hebdo-shooting-eleven-dead-at-Paris-offices-of-satirical-magazine&p=921607&viewfull=1#post921607).

[cursichella1]

Has anybody read it through yet? I'm really looking forward to it....arriving next week.

I read "methodical Illusion" in one sitting. I couldn't put it down!

Love to all!
MM

I'm 3/4 through...I'm not big on modern heroine novels but did patiently read through #1. However, on #2, I find myself skipping ahead to the good parts (good parts, meaning her 911 findings, not the whirlwind-ish romance stuff) but if you loved #1, you'll love this, too. It picks up right where the other left off.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

@Star Mariner, post #113 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=999851&viewfull=1#post999851) – my apologies for the belated response.


That’s the thing, because nothing was ordinary that day, nothing was as it seemed.

Fair enough. But then you backtrack completely by saying


In my opinion, they saw what was there: an aeroplane. What else did they see? What else did everyone else see? To me it feels a lot more realistic to contemplate planes really hitting buildings,


two aircraft hitting two towers. Why cannot it be just that? There is nothing unlikely or scientifically impossible about that happening.

Well, the context was not quite like that. The 'nothing was as it seemed' I was referring to, was in regards to a 'terrorist attack' against the west by a radical muslim sect, Al-Qaeda. That was what 'they' presented to us, but that was not the case at all, obviously. I'm still of an opinion - a judgement, for now - that planes, no matter what planes, who was on them, how they were flown, what hidden tech was involved (or not), did collide with those buildings. That's my opinion, that's my current idea. I was merely suggesting alternative explanations to the sort of mystical mass-illusion scenario that you're suggesting.


When no rational explanation comes to mind, the real explanation is going to seem magical

Only to a fool. I don't believe in 'magic' as the dictionary would describe it. Even the extraordinary, the supernatural, applies and adheres to natural Laws, even if we do not understand them. That’s another thread though.


There is nothing realistic, i.e. scientifically possible, about aluminium carving through best quality steel.

No there isn't, which is why I put forward the possibility that it wasn't aluminium, or it wasn't steel.

I still can't quite grasp what you personally believe happened to those towers, and those planes. What is your exact hypothesis of what took place? Forget who was behind it for now, or why. I feel that has been sufficiently explained elsewhere (see 'Follow the Money' by James Corbett in this post, as a good example (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85192-9-11-Trillions-Follow-The-Money--James-Corbett-). How did it all go down in your opinion? What was flying in the air that day? What hit the towers? What hit the Pentagon? What methods/technologies did they employ? What did all the people in Lower Manhattan actually see with their naked eyes? And what did people photograph etc etc..? I want to understand your train of thought on these matters, and follow the evidence you present to wherever it leads. I do not ask this in a passive-aggressive way, I really do want to know and understand what you feel you know and understand, so I can better know and understand for myself.


Your use of Occam’s razor to avoid this issue is fascinating. Such things as reinforced aircraft or pre-weakened steel girders are enough to have poor Occam cut his throat. :)

You do make good points in your post, and I appreciate the skilful use of witticism to soften the various blows, as if I had smaller understanding or intelligence than you. Perhaps I do, perhaps I don’t. I simply have a different perspective; have been led to different conclusions thus far in my own examination, and rumination, of the available facts. And every ‘truther’ you speak to will have a different view of those facts, and hotly contest them. That you don’t find universal consensus on what you believe happened, and how, shouldn’t be a surprise to you. Even the experts, the so-called ‘qualified researchers’ who do have the credentials and degrees and PHDs etc, sometimes don’t agree on even basic principles.



If the girders were pre-weakened, the buildings would have collapsed much earlier and in a more conventional manner than they did.

That is confidently stated. If you have a degree in structural engineering, that's certainly fair enough, and I'll take you for your word. However, I made no such assertion that this was a solid belief of mine. It was no more than thinking aloud. There's nothing wrong with doing that, and playing devil's advocate. I don't stand in any one court on how 9/11 was done. I don't know how it was done. How can I? -None of us can claim to absolutely know how it was done for certain. We're all in the dark. There's lots of very good evidence, and sound theories, for this and that, yes. But the best we still have is only hypothesis, and somewhat vague ideas, ideas formed and based on personal intelligence, conscious awareness, and our own memory-social-personality complex (which can differ vastly from person to person). I said very early on that I don't rule out the scenario of something really wild, like holograms for example, (we can't know for certain, but this tech likely does exist). On that issue I remain on the fence. Of reinforced planes, or weakened steel in the buildings, who knows? It's just an idea, merely a counterpoint to the hologram theory. I’m on the fence on that too.



You are clinging to the idea that a simple conventional plane crash had to happen, leading you into all kinds of unsimple, unconventional speculation.

Yes, I am clinging to the idea that it was probably a plane crash - with physical planes crashing into physical building, even if there are 'plausible' theories to the contrary. I don't apologise for that. But again, it’s not something 'I stand by' irrevocably; it’s not a belief structure I fiercely guard. Most ideas we have in our heads are flexible and temporary. Theories grow, beliefs change (at least they should! - that’s how we evolve). They are always subject to change. When that happens, I’m happy to embrace the event of illumination. Humble pie is good for the soul, and it really doesn’t taste that bad... Possibly at a future time I will fully revise my present understanding - I think we will all revise our gathered wisdom on this matter. To think our current theories are the final, correct ones, would be foolish and arrogant.

If for example a whistleblower suddenly appeared, and presented a case for actual, documentary evidence for the existence and application of large-scale holographic arrays in the possession of the military, which existed at the time of 9/11, or actual documentary evidence of United 175 landing at Westover AFB - something a little more substantial than hearsay (to be perfectly honest) from an unnamed, unconfirmed source, then, my theories, if you can call them that, will change.


We can all do a half-hour brainstorming session like you just did, but what is the point of reinventing the wheel when there are qualified researchers out there who have been investigating these subjects for years?


That pretty much rules out Rebekah Roth though. She's an airline hostess, not a 'qualified researcher'. In my opinion, all the qualification one needs to do research is consciousness - and maybe an internet connection. Avalon is all about research. By participating in this thread I'm doing a kind of research right now!


If you are prepared to envisage weakened steel and/or strengthened aluminium, maybe you should also take a closer look at the eyewitness’s mettle rather than simply accept him as being honest and reliable. Let me offer another take on the guy with the bible on his WTC desk (!! – an obvious candidate for salvation/safety).

[....lots of metaphors....]

Well friend, just because he had a bible with him, and that he was a Christian, doesn't mean he wasn't telling it as it was, and to the best he can recall, and it doesn’t mean he’s pedalling some kind of religious propaganda meme. I'll 'reinvent the wheel' again. He said he saw the plane's tail lodged inside the wall of his office. You imply he was either lying, or hypnotized, because there was no plane. Well, we all saw a plane fly into his building - even if it was a holographic plane - something went INto the building, so what's to say, by your logic, he wasn't seeing a holographic tail!?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks again for the great interview Bill. Most of the information was very good information, particularly when she shed some light on the Flight Termination System, and pepper spray which should have circulated the entire plane. But there's a few other points I'm stuck on that I'd like to address:

5.50 into the interview, (and again at 1hr.10) the 'you did great' thing was brought up. This was heard at the end of a phonecall from hostess (sorry, 'flight attendant') Ceecee Lyles. Could this have just been one of her colleagues standing by, offering moral support? By telling her 'you did great', could be to say, 'under very difficult circumstances, you held your composure and told them what they needed to know, probably better than I could...' It could of course be some CIA agent or controller, holding a gun to her head, and telling Lyles she did a good job in playing the part they would have her play. But to speak aloud like that is a bit of a blunder.

14.00. She talks about how she thought this was a fake terror attack at the time (2001), yet a few minutes earlier she said she only stumbled into the whole '9/11 thing' in 2008-09, when researching her book. I possibly read something into this that wasn't there.

24.00 box-cutters. She says it's impossible to kill someone with one of these. I disagree to be fair. Perhaps if the victim saw that blade coming, then yes, it would be no easy task. But if the alleged victim, even a trained assassin, was sitting in his seat, unaware of anything untoward happening (and why shouldn't he be if he really was just a passenger on a regular passenger flight), it wouldn’t be too hard for someone - anyone - to reach the over the back of his seat suddenly, and cut his throat with that razor.

29.00 Rebekah says that when the Flight Termination System takes over, you cannot talk to other planes, or air traffic control. Yet two of the so-called hijackers (Atta on American 11, and Jarrah on United 93), did broadcast to ATC. "We have a bomb on board..." They were heard to say. " - please remained seated, we are returning to the airport" etc. It has been pointed out that these messages, captured on tape, were meant for the passengers on their respective planes, and not an air-traffic controller. So that's another layer of confusion. That they 'accidentally' broadcast it to ATC is very fishy. It was either very clumsy of Atta and Jarrah (unlikely), or it was staged, deliberate (almost certain) - to inform the ground that yes, unmistakably, this is a hijack. With all that said, would not the Flight Termination System, based on how Rebekah described it, eliminate the possibility they could broadcast anything at all?

52.00 Interesting revelations about the purser for Flight 11, and how it is implied that the flight manifest, and booking information, are both monitored and strictly controlled. It seems that all these flights - being set up to be what they were - were planned and organized beforehand, possibly to fly light (she says those planes were all suspiciously underbooked) so crowd control later on (if they were diverted to an AFB) would be more manageable. Possibly everyone on them was meant to be on them. It might be useful to research, therefore, if random customers searching for a flight that day were prevented from booking Flight 11, 175, 77 and 93 to keep these numbers at a minimum. Maybe they were told (falsely) they were fully booked, for example.

[Bill Ryan]

Atta on American 11

... is still alive, and was never on the plane. (This is how Rebekah first realized something was badly wrong with this picture, when she discovered that ten (10) of the alleged hijackers were still alive... not just Atta.)

Father insists alleged leader is still alive
http://theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/02/september11.usa

Re the box-cutters, the ONLY source of the box-cutter information was one (1) passenger, Barbara Olson. Considering her connections (listen to Rebekah's interview), and that her husband, Ted Olson, went on CNN very soon after, as if nothing much had happened to his wife (think of the TV interviews done by family members soon after Sandy Hook!), good questions can be asked about how involved she may have been in what really happened.

I do appreciate your questions — only a couple of which I've referred to here — but (with genuine respect), did you listen to this or any other of Rebekah's interviews? I'm only asking, because your intelligent and well-presented questions seem a little uninformed, as if maybe you weren't quite up to speed with all the evidence that Rebekah has gathered.

[Hazelfern]

www.wonksmedia.com/report.pdf

Review the above draft report that was prepared for an online course to examine one possible set of scenarios that could at least partially unfold before cosmological intervention manifests. See also http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-17/kyle-bass-bearish-emerging-markets-least-2-more-years-looking-short-currencies

One may think that these posts are jumping all over the place; however, to understand today's 9/11, attacks to the current world order are multifaceted and are targeting all industrialized and emerging nations simultaneously...not just the United States. These posts are 'all over the place' because today's attacks are both economic and political in nature; and to understand the big picture, a snapshot of everything that will be adversely impacting our lives must be taken into account, for they are interconnected.

Any thoughts on what this cosmological intervention will look like?

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Hazelfern]

So, you suspect something is incoming? In your heart of hearts...? I do, but I have no inside knowledge. I hate to stand out all alone. I've done it before however and have nothing to lose. 2017 is the year. My guess.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I do appreciate your questions — only a couple of which I've referred to here — but (with genuine respect), did you listen to this or any other of Rebekah's interviews? I'm only asking, because your intelligent and well-presented questions seem a little uninformed, as if maybe you weren't quite up to speed with all the evidence that Rebekah has gathered.

To be honest, and with the same respect of course, I don't understand. I did listen to the interview, all of it - I inserted the time index for each issue I was referring to, which indicates that I did. As to the box cutters in question, the least of points, and mostly irrelevant because it probably, almost certainly, didn't go down this way (there probably were no box cutters, nor actual terrorists), I was, purely illustrating that, in my opinion, someone could quite easily meet with a sticky end if they were attacked suddenly from behind, and with a slash to the throat, by one of these box cutters (http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/box-cutter-knife-white-background-d-illustration-34632764.jpg ) - that was my only objection, for Rebekah said at the 24:00 mark: "It would be impossible to kill somebody with one of those, especially someone who was a trained assassin." Unlikely, I maintain, but not impossible.

But anyway, that's not important. I think Bill there has to be something else in what I've said that has led you to believe I am uninformed. I assure you that is not the case. I think the thing on which we differ, with respect, as that we have opposing views on the various whys, hows, and wherefores of 9/11, but I feel it's a little over board to suggest that someone with a different opinion to you is not up to speed or uninformed - that may be the case with a non-truther (which I am not, I have been seeking it all my life). I believe only that I have taken into consideration a different train of thought, possibly agreeing with those things that you have not, whilst excluding others which you have accepted, to arrive at a different conclusion. That’s all. Who is correct and who isn’t, is not really important at the end of the day, because wisdom is constantly in flux; it is a learning process for us all, and with new information and new trains of thought - in moments of revelation - we take one step closer (or one step further away) from truth. Where I am on that path I don’t know, but I’m trying to find my way, and doing the best that I can.

I am only trying to understand a mystery. I’m just a regular forum member, just another faceless punter, I know, but it doesn’t mean I haven’t done some research of my own. I don’t consider myself a ‘researcher’ in the same vein as someone like Rebekah for instance, who does interviews on radio shows, or makes youtube videos, but I assure you I have read a lot of information on this subject and countless others. With regards the box cutter thing, all I’m guilty of, I think, is nitpicking. On that I hold my hands up.


is still alive, and was never on the plane. (This is how Rebekah first realized something was badly wrong with this picture, when she discovered that ten (10) of the alleged hijackers were still alive... not just Atta.)

Father insists alleged leader is still alive
http://theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/02/september11.usa

I’ve seen that before and read several such testimonies of the alleged terrorists’ miraculous survival of 9/11. I simply do not believe it. For what’s it’s worth, I’ll state my current belief of how this particular angle of the mystery is shaped.

I highly recommend - I cannot possibly recommend enough - the excellent documentary Ripple Effect 2, by Muad'Dib.

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This documentary is an exhaustive study of 7/7, and the ‘terrorist’ event in London that day. The evidence, and I do not hesitate to say in some places proof, that is uncovered, is as conclusive as it is alarming. In summary, 7/7 took place amid a carefully planned, meticulously orchestrated mock exercise, a drill to test the response and resolve of security services in the event of a terrorist attack on, funnily enough, the London transport system in the exact location, and at the exact time, that real bombs went off that day. But that is not all. Not by a long way.

4 young middle-eastern men, assets and operatives of the security services in question, were used in the ‘terror drills’. They were to proceed to an arranged place, at an arranged time, with backpacks containing dummy devices, and to be thus apprehended as part of the exercise. They were actors, operatives simply role-playing a part. Actors who would be patsies… The bombs were already in place – in the floor of the tube trains. There is a ton of evidence that supports all of these claims, all explained in Muad'Dib’s research.

The final point of all this, was to illustrate that none of those 4 lads survived. Multiple reports came in that day, and were even reported by several news outlets ( http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10334992 ), that the suspected ‘suicide bombers’ had been shot and killed (neutralized), after the bombs went off, and miles away from where the bombs went off, which meant they couldn’t possibly have been the ones who planted them (and thus to commit suicide with).

They had to be silenced.

In my personal opinion, whatever group, power, or agency carried out 7/7, the same group carried out 9/11. I think it’s reasonable to assume this: the same people were responsible for both, for the same reason, and so quite probably with same modus operandi - in that Atta, and all the other ‘terrorists’ that day were set up. We already know that a similar training exercise was taking place on the east coast on September 11th, so perhaps the 19 hijackers were part of that as well - as assets, simply playing the part of would-be terrorists. They had a plan, a script to follow, and were playing their parts in what they thought was a drill, going where they had to go, catching flights they had to catch (perhaps the Israeli operative on Flight 11 was also part of it). And just like those young muslim men on 7/7,a time probably came when they collectively realised something was very wrong: this was not a drill, it was the real thing - it was a frame up. By then, they knew very well what was going to happen.

I believe, personally, that the hijackers are dead. They have to be dead. Even if they were on those planes, I don’t believe they hijacked them, or flew them into the WTC, or the Pentagon. The planes were either piloted remotely, “maybe” while they were on board, or they were landed, and replaced with other planes (or something more exotic), but in either case, the hijackers, and every other passenger, to keep the lid on the whole nasty business, were killed then and there. They could not and would not risk any witnesses talking, or showing their face again. Alternatively, perhaps, Atta and the rest, being assets, were given new identities and sent underground. But I don’t think so. I don't believe any of them ever saw the sun come up on September 12th. They are all dead, long dead. Mohammed Atta’s father may well have talked to his son at some point before the attacks, but the day after?


"As I saw the picture of my son," he said, "I knew that he hadn't done it. My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12 at around midday. We spoke for two minutes about this and that.
"He didn't tell me where he was calling from. At that time neither of us knew anything about the attacks."

The highlighted part is a problem for me. Is there anyone on earth who didn’t know about the terrible events in New York and elsewhere the previous day, and the twin towers falling? I mean, he possibly didn’t, but if this report is true, and we are led to believe Atta was in Boston, Portland (and potentially NY) on 9/11 – in America for certain – then absolutely he knew. It seems strange that the pair would only talk about ‘this and that’ and not mention the most devastating terror attack in US history. Also, Atta was named in the press as part of the terror plot on September 12th, the day of the alleged phone call. Again, talking to his father about only this and that sounds really iffy to me. I would imagine that his father would of course want to distance his family as much as possible from the atrocity, and deny his own blood had anything to do with it, so that may have been his motivation for the above statement that his son was innocent, and still alive. But I believe Atta died on the day of the attack.

Sorry for the length of this post...

[araucaria]

@Star Mariner, there is too much talking at cross-purposes for me to respond in detail to your post. If you want to see this as an intelligence differential between us, then I am happy to concede my relative weakness, because I won’t be responding on that level. Let me rather continue where I left off. There comes a point when it is not about being intelligent, but about being smart: not the same thing.

There are two kinds of people: those that suffer trauma, and those that seek to reduce trauma in and around themselves. Trauma comes from being overpowered in some way. I suggested magic was a notion that can be overpowering by taking you beyond your present understanding – not into the impossible but into the totally novel. Cognitive dissonance is another tool whereby your present understanding is flatly contradicted: e.g. an Illuminati favourite: your supposedly loving parents doing horrible things to you – you have to update your understanding pretty damn quick to survive. Or the extended version for the rest of us: our supposedly well-meaning governments doing horrible things to us. Again, you have to update your understanding asap to survive. For major trauma-creating events like 911, that means as soon as you have an inkling of what has been going on, you metaphorically get out of the building. Unless you belong to the emergency services and are there to minister to survivors.

It doesn’t matter how the magician is pulling off his trick. If it’s harmless, you enjoy being taken in. If it’s not, you hasten away before you are traumatized. The 911 scene is no different: you have traumatized survivors on the one hand and trauma aid helpers on the other. It’s like there are still people in the building before it has finished collapsing. For some we are still in the emergency rescue phase. The inquiry stage will come later. For others the healing process has started.

Shock is a form of intoxication. If you lay on an unlimited supply of alcohol, even the heaviest drinkers are going to get drunk. The only people who will stay sober, apart from the teetotallers, are those who say “No thanks (I’m driving)” or “No more thanks, I’ve had enough”. Intoxication operates on two levels: the problem is not what a substance does to your mouth or stomach (on the contrary, it tastes and feels good, which is precisely how it gets into you); it’s what it does to your brain. Similarly, if you lay on an unlimited supply of shock, even the toughest of us are going to be traumatized. The only people who will stay in a normal state, apart from the unshockable psychopaths, are those who do not partake at all, or do so with moderation. Likewise the physical trauma is usually secondary to the mental trauma, and this false flag operation, which didn’t cause as much physical destruction as it might have done, has caused huge mental trauma to millions.

There is literally overwhelming evidence that 911 was an inside job, which means that all these people are literally overwhelmed. You have to know when another dose is not going to do you any good. If you accept Rebekah Roth as a qualified researcher, which I agree she is, as an experienced flight attendant (just as I am a qualified researcher in the analysis of what people are saying), then you heed what she is saying. She says the planes were landed long before the attacks. That means that, if aircraft are your “tipple”, then any talk of them after that early point is over-indulging in the fog of intoxication. You can talk as intelligently as you like about planes hitting towers, but it’s not a smart thing to do. If you are listening to Rebekah, that simply couldn’t have happened.

This is the sort of thing that might give someone (e.g. Bill) the impression that you are uninformed: you are not going to be able to discuss that with Rebekah because her position simply draws a line through that entire debate. The haze of the overwhelming relies partly on our inability to say “Enough”. This is just a small example. If I accept Rebekah’s analysis on this point, then I am not going to listen to any more talk of planes after they landed. It doesn’t matter what it was: it just wasn’t those planes. I won’t have my mind messed about like this.

Then, scaling this up to the 911 event as a whole, there comes a point where you know enough about what this is all about to be able to stop scratching at all the details. The whole thing stinks to high heaven, and you get out altogether, and get back to living your life as it should be lived, preferably even further away from the evils of power and money and violence than before. That’s maybe not the intelligent thing to do, but it’s the smart therapeutic thing to do.

I personally would definitely not be “going back for more” by dragging 7/7 into this or by claiming that everyone in the world had to know about 911 on 912. If I had been away on holiday, I for one would not have known, go figure. Fortunately, there are people and places that remain outside all this drama: however huge, let’s not make it even huger.

[Cidersomerset]

Just a thought that popped into my head this morning ....
( not all bright ideas are necessarily good ones )...LOL

But I would Like to be a metaphoric fly on the wall ,
meaning all of us interested researchers looking for the
alternate Q & A's not touched or deliberately covered
up by the mainstream. So a Skype conversation
between Bill and Andrew would be very educational
imo.

Andrew is a very good researcher as is Bill , who I
have every faith in otherwise I and others interested
in these vast topics would not be here.....


Andrew Johnsons web site
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php


http://i.imgur.com/PGOjtME.jpg


And Building 7 Uhm !!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EEaTDJ5xu4E/UNNwb90VwXI/AAAAAAAAHRk/qixjXydoeIA/s1600/world_trade_center_7_WTC7_911_meme_BBC.jpg

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

She says the planes were landed long before the attacks. That means that, if aircraft are your “tipple”, then any talk of them after that early point is over-indulging in the fog of intoxication. You can talk as intelligently as you like about planes hitting towers, but it’s not a smart thing to do. If you are listening to Rebekah, that simply couldn’t have happened.

If you're trying to teach me that 9/11 was an inside job, you're preaching the choir.

I like to think freely for myself, and to ask questions when they occur to me. Rebekah has great information, and many things tally up in my mind, but I don't have to take everything I hear at face value. You speak as if this is the full story, the unabridged, 100% concrete truth, backed up with solid proof all the way down the line. It isn't. Rebekah is a researcher, and a very useful one with the background she has - she has made an excellent contribution with her evidence.

But I still have plenty of questions, and a few niggling doubts - which I am perfectly entitled to have. Apparently I am in a minority. But I would've preferred not to have been made to feel obtuse or 'uninformed' for trying to express them.

Anyway, I think it's time to leave this thread behind. Thank you araucaria for taking the time to talk about these things with me, and your many wise words. Let’s just agree to disagree, and part in friendship.

[Cidersomerset]

But I still have plenty of questions, and a few niggling doubts - which
I am perfectly entitled to have. Apparently I am in a minority. But I would've
preferred not to have been made to feel obtuse or 'uninformed' for trying to express them.

I don't think anyone has presented the full picture as far as I'm aware so asking
questions is very legitimate , and I doubt if any one knows all the Q & A on the
subject . Apart from those who believe the mainstream story and are content to
leave it at that as most people just want to carry on their own lives in all its various
forms and realities. I also doubt if those who planned it know the whole picture.
Compartmentalisation seems to be common practice in all these 'False Flags '
and 'pyops' .

All I'm sure about is Bin Laden, Afghanistan, Iraq , Libya , Yemen , Syria and the
ever threat to Iran,had nothing to do with it. Apart from giving them the excuse to
execute this on going 'war on Terror'.Then you get on to the Geo political picture
that goes hand in hand with all this and is the reason Syrian and other
refugees are fleeing the area.

9/11 only makes sense from a Neo -Con , Zionist 'greater Israel / American century
angle. It makes no sense from a Muslim angle !! Other than from Saudi and other
pro western oil states interests , which are tied into the world elites.

The ISIS Conspiracy Origins & The Creation of Israel - By Brandon Martinez on Red Ice Radio
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85140-The-ISIS-Conspiracy-Origins-The-Creation-of-Israel-By-Brandon-Martinez-on-Red-Ice-Radio

Plans for Middle East - U.S. Army Gen. Wesley Clark

rz5fZziMWEE

[Hazelfern]

She says the planes were landed long before the attacks. That means that, if aircraft are your “tipple”, then any talk of them after that early point is over-indulging in the fog of intoxication. You can talk as intelligently as you like about planes hitting towers, but it’s not a smart thing to do. If you are listening to Rebekah, that simply couldn’t have happened.

If you're trying to teach me that 9/11 was an inside job, you're preaching the choir.

I like to think freely for myself, and to ask questions when they occur to me. Rebekah has great information, and many things tally up in my mind, but I don't have to take everything I hear at face value. You speak as if this is the full story, the unabridged, 100% concrete truth, backed up with solid proof all the way down the line. It isn't. Rebekah is a researcher, and a very useful one with the background she has - she has made an excellent contribution with her evidence.

But I still have plenty of questions, and a few niggling doubts - which I am perfectly entitled to have. Apparently I am in a minority. But I would've preferred not to have been made to feel obtuse or 'uninformed' for trying to express them.

Anyway, I think it's time to leave this thread behind. Thank you araucaria for taking the time to talk about these things with me, and your many wise words. Let’s just agree to disagree, and part in friendship.

I would not recommend leaving this thread behind. Bookmark and stay in the periphery of being ready. My opinion.

[awakeningmom]

Star Mariner, I hope you do not leave this thread. I find your questions and thoughts on what might have happened well-considered and thoughtful. And I am a bit disturbed by some of the posts suggesting that you are uninformed and/or that you should stop questioning Roth or stop asking questions in general. I also found your information about 7/7 relevant and useful. Thank you.

Some posters apparently think Roth has the entire 9-11 problem solved, at least when it comes to the planes and where they went, how the calls were made, and what happened to the passengers. Because they have arrived at this opinion, apparently anyone else who continues to ask questions or have doubts about whether her theory is entirely correct is not SMART. I disagree.

Rebekkah Roth may have gotten some things right, but I know for a fact that she has gotten at least some details wrong. I won't discuss this in any further detail here, but in some of her earlier interviews after Book 1 she was giving a detail that I happen to know was incorrect. I privately wrote to Roth and informed her of her error, we went back and forth a couple times, and she has now fixed the error (at least in her interview with Bill). Yes, Roth has put a lot of time into her research, and has added to the greater understanding in my opinion, but she does not know everything. Indeed, as pointed out by others already, there are some very intelligent 9-11 researchers who have some issues with her Westover AFB theory, including the question of whether all four flights could land at Westover with the time allotted from the official stated time of take-off to the times the calls were made (which presumably all had to be made from the ground). Truth and Shadows, a blog that I have visited periodically, has a guest article by Paul Zarembka, a long-time 9-11 researcher, who goes into some of these technical issues with Roth's Westover AFB theory and the timing of the calls in more detail.

https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/a-novel-idea-rebekah-roths-methodical-illusion-and-what-happened-to-the-planes-on-9-11/

Roth says that she's using all the government documents to form her opinions and piece together her puzzle. Ok. But why should we trust those documents? If the government is in on the whole thing, couldn't they have manufactured/doctored that evidence too? (e.g., aren't we are provided with the transcripts or the audio recordings of the calls by the government?)

I appreciate Roth's efforts and I do think she has some credible theories. However, I don't think the 9-11 event has been solved. Therefore, I appreciate all of those researchers who continue to contribute to the solving of this mass murder/ritualistic trauma of billions. I would like to think that this forum allows differences of opinion on this most heinous and most complex of crimes, and I do not like the shaming posts at all. We are all trying to get to the freaking truth here.

Love,

Awakeningmom

[Hazelfern]

Good points AMom. If you can read between the lines you'll see a warning alarm peppered in this thread.

[araucaria]

Awakeningmom, if there is one word of Rebekah’s that we need to listen to, it is ‘methodical’. We have to be methodical here of all places, otherwise we are going to be sifting through a pile of seemingly unrelated clues, as if no forensic work had already been done on them – which is what I meant by ‘reinventing the wheel’.

This means taking a given fact along with the conclusions to be drawn from it. Fact: cell phone calls were (are) impossible at the aircraft’s advertised altitude. Conclusion 1: the plane was on or near the ground. Further blanket conclusion: after this detour on or near the ground, none of the plane’s subsequent movements can have been as advertised. The rest is merely fleshing out: it is obviously easier to flesh out a hard fact than a mere hypothesis. Questioning subsequent parts of the story may not be uninformed, but it is unmethodical, or if you prefer, off-topic: the story doesn’t go there, unless it’s a diversionary subplot. We all go harmlessly off-topic from time to time, the problem with this being that it is also a diversionary tactic favored by trolls. I am not suggesting there are any trolls on this thread, simply that we have to be methodical. We don’t need trolls if we do their work for them.

If you are methodical over the above question, you can either deny the fact by saying that phone calls could indeed be made at altitude. Or you can contend that the calls were made by people on the ground while the plane was in the air. Even if this were true, then it is a major discrepancy from the official story. Starting at this very early point, the official story becomes a huge lie, and the appropriate response is not to believe a word of it from this point on. If the people making the calls were not where they are said to be, then it becomes exceedingly likely that neither was Mohammed Atta where he is claimed to have been, and we should not be surprised to hear corroborating evidence that he was alive and well somewhere else.

Being methodical means grappling with this one issue to the exclusion of ALL other facts, evidence, testimonies… You can start from any anomaly and ask yourself what else is wrong with the story, but if this one initial element holds no water, then the foundation of the entire story collapses. Rebekah is by no means the first to point out this fact. Her biggest contribution is to add her flight attendant’s confirmation and informed (plus well researched) explanation to flesh it out.

My observations were not simply preaching to the choir, Star Mariner. This is a busy 24/7 forum – around a thousand visitors at a minimum at off-peak periods (when the Americans have gone to bed). We are also writing for them, and they will include people who are still undecided about 911, whom we need to be helping. This is something Rebekah Roth is doing extremely well, and rather than picking holes in her material, we need to focus on working together on achieving that goal. Sure, no one is going to get everything right, but then you need to decide whether you are going to adopt a forgiving or an unforgiving attitude with someone who is on your side. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79139-Forgiveness-Necessary-or-just-a-way-of-stopping-you-from-retaliating-to-aggression&p=936711&viewfull=1#post936711).

[Bill Ryan]

This is a busy 24/7 forum – around a thousand visitors at a minimum at off-peak periods (when the Americans have gone to bed). We are also writing for them, and they will include people who are still undecided about 911, whom we need to be helping. This is something Rebekah Roth is doing extremely well, and rather than picking holes in her material, we need to focus on working together on achieving that goal.

Amen to that! :clapping:

It takes far more skill and wisdom to assemble a synthesis than to pick holes in someone else's honest hard work.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[syrwong]

With the books and interviews, Roth must be awakening the American people by tens of thousands everyday in addition to the growing numbers. The PTB must respond to this wave by either giving up their plans or acting asap. My worry is that since the former is not an option for them, they will indeed use a nuclear false flag to realize their thousand year old dream as predicted.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Dr. Bill Deagle has mentioned that Israel is in possession of a doomsday device, one that they would use as a last resort to take out their enemies and the rest of the planet.

I first heard him speak of it in one of his early interviews on Project Camelot. It's no doubt available in the archive section, but I don't recall which interview it was. He only mentioned it in passing, though, and gave no useful details - just enough to give me the willies. Maybe he expands on this somewhere else?

Brian



Rebekah mentioned Israel's Samson Option:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

Anyone know a hairdresser called Delilah?

[gripreaper]

My worry is that since the former is not an option for them, they will indeed use a nuclear false flag to realize their thousand year old dream as predicted.

I don't think so. It was nuclear technology during the great war between the controllers and the indigenous, way back some 13,000 years ago, which created such heat, that water rained down from the exploded planet Tiamat, the ice chunks which were floating in the asteroid belt melting, that flooded the earth, and almost caused the extinction of planet earth and her inhabitants.

All of the ancient technologies were lost and it has taken them some 13,000 years to restore what was lost. I don't think they want to do that again, and neither do we. We have this cataclysm in our race memory, imbedded in our very DNA, and this is what the controllers use against us to stimulate the fear adrenaline response, cause they know how deep this memory goes.

No nuclear holocaust this time around,

[Carmody]

This is a busy 24/7 forum – around a thousand visitors at a minimum at off-peak periods (when the Americans have gone to bed). We are also writing for them, and they will include people who are still undecided about 911, whom we need to be helping. This is something Rebekah Roth is doing extremely well, and rather than picking holes in her material, we need to focus on working together on achieving that goal.

Amen to that! :clapping:

It takes far more skill and wisdom to assemble a synthesis than to pick holes in someone else's honest hard work.

I'm always of the opinion that even a embedded shill and disturber can help move the pile forward, if you look at things the right way, and handle them the right way. To understand that moving forward is critical, gaining critical mass is, well, critical.

That picking apart someone's work, is not the best thing. To get the message out that 9/11 was done by a team of donkeys from Omaha and Albuquerque, and if the people believe that and get past the moment and move to fixing the mess, that's a good thing.


Mini nukes, demolition charges, actual empty planes, or holographs, or planes full of people, I really don't care ----and neither should anyone else, with regard to spending time sidetracked in an argument about minutia, outside of the necessity to understand it was an inside job.

Just get it in the public's head...... and the rush of energy will take care of the rest. If someone is throwing logs onto the fire, and the fire is gaining in size... then that's good enough, as that is the important part, IMO and IME.

One might note how they run these false flag ops..which is to initiate and then..fix it in the mix, as passing through the initial moment of the movement is the thing that creates the ability to move the herd. They do things in this sort of way and methodology, as this is the technique that functions. They initiate, and then work through and control the unfolding of the after.

[awakeningmom]

Awakeningmom, if there is one word of Rebekah’s that we need to listen to, it is ‘methodical’. We have to be methodical here of all places, otherwise we are going to be sifting through a pile of seemingly unrelated clues, as if no forensic work had already been done on them – which is what I meant by ‘reinventing the wheel’.

This means taking a given fact along with the conclusions to be drawn from it. Fact: cell phone calls were (are) impossible at the aircraft’s advertised altitude. Conclusion 1: the plane was on or near the ground. Further blanket conclusion: after this detour on or near the ground, none of the plane’s subsequent movements can have been as advertised. The rest is merely fleshing out: it is obviously easier to flesh out a hard fact than a mere hypothesis. Questioning subsequent parts of the story may not be uninformed, but it is unmethodical, or if you prefer, off-topic: the story doesn’t go there, unless it’s a diversionary subplot. We all go harmlessly off-topic from time to time, the problem with this being that it is also a diversionary tactic favored by trolls. I am not suggesting there are any trolls on this thread, simply that we have to be methodical. We don’t need trolls if we do their work for them.

If you are methodical over the above question, you can either deny the fact by saying that phone calls could indeed be made at altitude. Or you can contend that the calls were made by people on the ground while the plane was in the air. Even if this were true, then it is a major discrepancy from the official story. Starting at this very early point, the official story becomes a huge lie, and the appropriate response is not to believe a word of it from this point on. If the people making the calls were not where they are said to be, then it becomes exceedingly likely that neither was Mohammed Atta where he is claimed to have been, and we should not be surprised to hear corroborating evidence that he was alive and well somewhere else.

Being methodical means grappling with this one issue to the exclusion of ALL other facts, evidence, testimonies… You can start from any anomaly and ask yourself what else is wrong with the story, but if this one initial element holds no water, then the foundation of the entire story collapses. Rebekah is by no means the first to point out this fact. Her biggest contribution is to add her flight attendant’s confirmation and informed (plus well researched) explanation to flesh it out.

My observations were not simply preaching to the choir, Star Mariner. This is a busy 24/7 forum – around a thousand visitors at a minimum at off-peak periods (when the Americans have gone to bed). We are also writing for them, and they will include people who are still undecided about 911, whom we need to be helping. This is something Rebekah Roth is doing extremely well, and rather than picking holes in her material, we need to focus on working together on achieving that goal. Sure, no one is going to get everything right, but then you need to decide whether you are going to adopt a forgiving or an unforgiving attitude with someone who is on your side. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79139-Forgiveness-Necessary-or-just-a-way-of-stopping-you-from-retaliating-to-aggression&p=936711&viewfull=1#post936711).

Araucaria,
I really do not know what you mean about needing to be “methodical” and why you seem to think that no-one else is capable of that other than Roth – or perhaps yourself? I have to agree with Star Mariner in his post at #153: I am also having a hard time trying to figure out what YOUR particular opinion is on the entire 9-11 event and why you seem to be so dismissive of Star Mariner’s thoughts and questions, which seem quite intelligent and SMART to me. Frankly, although you suggest that he/she is being “off-topic” for questioning subsequent parts of the story once the calls prove (to your satisfaction) that the planes could not have been in the air at the time the calls were made, Star Mariner’s posts at #113 and #153 seem far more on-topic to me in a thread about 9-11 than the analogies/references to great works of literature that you often like to make.

Rebekah Roth has a theory. Her theory may be partially true and partially incorrect. Her theory on what happened to the planes and the passengers “fits” rather well, given what we think we know about the alleged phone calls and when they were supposedly made. But you seem to think that there is only ONE logical conclusion to be drawn from the “fact” that the calls could not have been made from the aircrafts’ advertised altitudes. However, I see a number of possible conclusions – even if you accept the impossibility of high-altitude calls:

Conclusion 1: the planes the passengers were on were on or near the ground when the calls were made. Thus, whatever anyone saw (or felt) that day in any of the target areas were not those planes or any planes at all. Instead, whatever anyone saw was holographic. (this seems to be what you are suggesting, although again, it is hard to find this opinion clearly stated in any of your posts). The problem with this theory is that there are a lot of witnesses who say they SAW or even FELT planes hit – at least at the WTC and over the Pentagon (not Shanksville). Were the holographs that good? Was EVERYONE in NYC and D.C area mind-controlled to see (and feel) these as real? In my opinion, problems/further questions remain with this theory.

Conclusion 2: the planes the passengers were on were on or near the ground when the calls were made. But the targets were hit by other real (not holographic) things, which could include drones or other military aircraft or perhaps missiles – maybe different things at different targets. This to me seems more plausible than a collective mind-control of all potential witnesses near the target areas, and if the targets were indeed dustified, it also solves the problem of the lack of identifiable airplane/missile parts. But there is of course the problem of what we SAW on TV – a plane flying into a building like a knife through butter. And the smallish hole at the Pentagon. And the lack of Pentagon footage. So, in my opinion, problems/further questions also remain with this theory.

Conclusion 3: The calls were pre-recorded by those who were either in on it or who were tricked into thinking they were participating in a drill. The real commercial airplanes hit the real targets but were piloted by remote control technology, not by the 19 men who may or may not have ever gotten onto those planes. Advanced weapons technology still explains the lack of identifiable plane parts in target areas.

Conclusion 4: The calls were made using advanced voice morphing technology – as other, earlier researchers have theorized. Since many on the undersold airplanes were military, Military-Industrial Complex, or airline personnel, getting recordings of their voices to later mimic shouldn’t have been too hard.

Conclusion 5: Some of the alleged calls never really happened. The public was provided with false transcripts of calls that didn’t happen. This seems particularly easy to fake where the calls were made to random people (e.g., the supposed reservation agent) or to known insiders (Ted Olsen). The few calls that were provided to the public with actual audio were potentially created in advance (by those in on it, or by those who thought they were participating in a drill, etc.).

There are probably more options beyond those listed above – all stemming from the fact that the calls (as we were told they happened) couldn’t have been made from high altitude. So while I agree with you that the fact that the calls could not have happened AS WE WERE TOLD puts everything else about the event into question, I do not necessarily agree that that means, without a shadow of a doubt, that the ONLY logical conclusion to that fact therefore means that: (1) the planes were flown to Westover AFB, where (2) the passengers were all forced to make very strange calls that don’t make a lot of sense, before (3) they were all gassed/killed/sent to Mars, etc.

Indeed, for me, it is hard to fathom that a cabal methodical enough and powerful enough to plot this mass murder out years in advance would make the stupid, neophyte mistake of mixing up their victims’ cue cards (even making the ridiculous mistake of having the flight attendant give out the wrong seat number of the purported box-cutter victim and then making her call back and change the seat because the outrageous screw up would reveal that the dubious victim was an Israeli counter-terrorism assassin! Yeah. Oops…. What is wrong with wanting to figure out why these calls are so odd and why this doesn't make a lot of sense?

I also think there’s some disconnect in your suggesting that once we realize that the whole official narrative is a lie we should just walk away from the trauma and stop trying to figure out/squabble over the actual details. If details didn’t matter, if many of us weren’t still interested in piecing the puzzle together, then why would we even be interested in hearing what Rebekkah Roth had to say in the first place? Why would we buy her book? (and I did).

Finally, I don’t think it is disrespectful to “poke holes” in Roth’s material just because she’s “on [our] side.” I think there’s something sycophantic about accepting any 9-11 researcher’s conclusions wholesale – no one has it 100% yet. I also really despise when the “troll” word is trotted out. Throughout his/her posts, it was so blatantly clear that Star Mariner was a legitimate truth seeker and that he/she in no way countenanced the official narrative. That he/she felt chastised enough to leave this thread really saddens me.

Awakeningmom

[transiten]

Just found this video made by "sw3de" a swede I suppose starting with a lot of "hiding in plain sight". Some info here turn - Mercury retrograde- things upside down for me like some of our wellknown conspiracy theorists also lying - or just being ignorant? - accusing those who question there were any passanger planes crashing into the Twin Towers to be lying :confused:: IL8cJWyOxWQ
Some minutes after midnight 9/11 2001 after watching the news turning off my TV as i looked up "The prophecies by Nostradamus" a birthday gift I got in the 1980:s that I had never opened before I found an interpretation of quatrain V1 verse 97: "The original translation was: On the 45:th latitude the sky is burning approaching the new city" There are 3 interpretations and the third one is "New York is bombed"...

Synchronicity hit me right there in the core of my being :shocked:There are also predictions about conflicts arising between the Muslim and the Western world around the years of 2000....

Next morning my TV was broke and I put it in the attic....

Mercury will be retrograding for some 3 weeks reflecting increased tendency for misunderstandings and disinformation...just sayin´

..which just happened! I wrote 2011 instead of 2001!!! Which makes no sense of course since then it would not have been much of a synchronicity...I had been watching the the news and "planes crushing" into the Twin Towers the very day it happened of course. I just made the correction.

[araucaria]

awakeningmom (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1001161&viewfull=1#post1001161), we’ve been here before. Let me refer you back to a response (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80910-Where-Did-the-Planes-Go--Rebekah-Roth-exposes-another-piece-of-the-9-11-puzzle-&p=953318&viewfull=1#post953318)I made to you a while, back, notably its first paragraph. But at the same time, let me repeat that I am not talking specifically to any one individual such as yourself or Star Mariner. These are much wider issues. So please do not take anything personally.


awakeningmom, I am really sorry that you lost someone on 911; I am afraid it didn’t fully register with me until now, my apologies. (I also need to apologize for taking a whole week to get back to this.) I can imagine that things others say, myself included, would appear pretty insensitive when one is in that position. But the only purpose in going over this stuff is to put an end to the innocent deaths being perpetrated by the authors of this kind of atrocity.
As you say, this cabal involves ‘too many high-ups’ to be a simple matter of ‘bringing the murderers to justice’, as you also say. Here is why the ‘nuts and bolts’ (the physical mechanics) of the situation at some stage lose the relevance they undoubtedly also have. The issue is information overload: it is well known that once you start down the rabbit-hole, you soon find it is endless. Human justice tries people one at a time, and whether convicted or not, they are merely heads lopped off the hundred-headed monster. Since I am responding to you again, you can see I am not “walking away from the trauma” but on the contrary trying to help people deal with it (myself included). The trauma here means going endlessly round the block until you realize that that is not getting you anywhere. Read Carmody’s post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1001147&viewfull=1#post1001147):

Mini nukes, demolition charges, actual empty planes, or holographs, or planes full of people, I really don't care ----and neither should anyone else, with regard to spending time sidetracked in an argument about minutia, outside of the necessity to understand it was an inside job. Your comment “I think there’s something sycophantic about accepting any 9-11 researcher’s conclusions wholesale” does not apply to me since I am only discussing a single point. You go on, “no one has it 100% yet”, which is exactly my point in saying “Sure, no one is going to get everything right”. So, ultimately, what I am reading are words of agreement presented as disagreement. That’s perfectly OK; we are not arguing, we are simply talking things through. Regarding this one point, you have described five more ways of reaching the same conclusion as me, namely that the very first indication of anything being amiss on 911 was basically untrue, i.e. a blatant lie. All I am saying is that this one clue can and should be sufficient to stop listening to anything after that point. This is simply a shortcut that not everyone will take of course, no problem with that, but all the same, it is there for the taking.

Let me illustrate what I’m driving at with a different type of phone call.
If someone calls you and you can hear five different phone conversations going on in the background, you may say “if you are calling from a call centre, no thank you, I’m not interested”. The cold caller will try to stop you hanging up straightaway by saying “No, this is the XXX Institute researching this that or the other”, or “You have won a prize”. You can play along and prolong this conversation as long as you like, but the bottom line is that they have something to sell, exactly like the call centre they have been representing all along. In other words, they will waste just as much of your time as you are willing to waste. The fact is that enough people are still playing along, right to the end point of actually buying the commodity for sale, to perpetuate the system that is a plague on everyone else. It is a plague because instead of being in charge, you are having largely unwanted stuff shoved down your throat – and even if the product might be useful, the process is unacceptably disempowering.

It is not being insensitive to say that the 911 propaganda is no different. I did not suggest “walking away from the trauma”; I suggested walking away from the BS as a way of lessening the trauma: not the same thing at all. Walking away is part of the grieving process and ultimately the only solution. I agree that details matter. I am actually saying that one (any) single detail matters so much that it can lead you to decide the whole thing for you. What this trigger will be and how much corroboration you need to hear will vary from person to person. That is perfectly understandable, but some people can never hear enough, which is what I meant by intoxication. There is also intoxication with intoxication, i.e. addiction, and doubtless addiction to addiction… There is nothing moralizing or judgemental about this. Addiction is merely getting caught in a seemingly endless loop.

What we are contending with is an addiction to addiction: an endless loop of endless loops, of which 911 is just one example. We are all in this together, which is why I am still posting here. Star Mariner has dropped out of the loop that has been created on this thread, which I see as a good thing. He has not lost an argument, he has simply heard enough and in his own words agreed to disagree in friendship, and I accept and share that friendly attitude. That doesn’t sound like chastised and chastiser to me. The important thing is not the discussion per se but the quality of the ensuing silence. This is a paradoxical thing to say on and about a discussion forum, but I am happy to practise what I preach and leave this thread right now. You might want to do the same.

[awakeningmom]

Thank you for your kind suggestion that I leave the thread, Araucaria, but I think I will exercise my own sovereignty and make my own decisions about what threads to join or to leave. You of course are free to do as you offered, and leave this thread yourself, or change your mind and stay as you wish.

I am frankly not even sure what your position on the appropriate/acceptable level of discourse in this thread is anymore. At times, you seem to acknowledge that other people may be in different stages of their 9-11 investigation/awakening and may not yet be ready to “walk away” from trying to figure out certain details -- and you say you have “no problem with that.” (“What this trigger will be and how much corroboration you need will vary from person to person. That is completely understandable….”).

However, the posts in response to Star Mariner (and to me) suggest instead that those who are in a different stage than you –or who may have some questions about Roth’s theories -- should keep their opinions to themselves, since those opinions are apparently: (a) muddying the waters, (b) interfering with our “helping” along of those who aren’t yet aware of 9-11 Truth, (c) offending Roth, who is on our side; or (d) simply contradicting your own current understanding of what went down that day. And apparently, anyone who is not willing to simply leave it at “inside job” and who has to continue further along with trying to piece together the entire puzzle is simply an addict. But doesn’t that make Rebekah Roth an addict? Isn’t she addicted to piecing together the puzzle herself? I haven’t read Book 2 yet, but I assume that is what she is doing. And doesn’t she have Book 3 in the works? Clearly her 12-step program is not working for her very well. Or are you suggesting that only certain researchers should be allowed to imbibe?

In my opinion, there are two different audiences for Roth’s books/interviews. Audience 1 is an audience who is relatively (or even entirely) new to 9-11 Truth. Roth has written a highly readable book that makes 9-11 Truth accessible to those who might not otherwise consider it. She also comes off as a very well spoken, no-nonsense person in her interviews. This is one of the reasons I sent my
Fox-TV watching father Bill’s interview. For this particular audience, I am not concerned if Roth got some things right and some things wrong – the point is to get people realizing that the official narrative was a lie. As you and I both agree (I think), if someone realizes that even one piece of the official narrative is false, he/she is much more likely to come to the conclusion that there must be problems with the rest of it too. One more truth advocate is created – and that’s great with me.

However, Audience 2, in my opinion, is comprised of those who have already realized that 9-11 was a blatant lie, and is looking to put together the (correct) pieces of the who/what/when/how/why – no matter how impossible this seems. This is how I see the people on PA, particularly those who are drawn to a thread like this (otherwise, why go to a thread like this?). I would venture to guess that no-one stumbles on to PA looking for Beginners Level 9-11 Truth. That’s far more easily obtained via Architects & Engineers, Loose Change, Zeitgeist, and any number of 9-11 Truth sites easily found by a simple internet search of “Was 9-11 a False Flag?”

Members of Audience 2 have probably already spent a considerable amount of time researching 9-11 on their own, so many people in this second audience aren’t going to so easily accept a brand new synthesis of what happened wholesale, even if they deeply appreciate parts of it. Instead, they may ask further questions, add their own theories, and even poke holes. I thought that is what this forum was all about? A safe and vibrant place to exchange ideas without being cut off or passive-aggressively insulted.

Yes, I agree that Star Mariner left graciously, particularly given the response he/she got in this thread in response to what I felt were very thoughtful posts. But he/she also said at post #162:

“But I still have plenty of questions, and a few niggling doubts – which I am perfectly entitled to have. Apparently I am in a minority. But I would’ve preferred not to have been made to feel obtuse or ‘úninformed’ for trying to express them.”

I have always had a problem with bullies, and I will always stand up to them. And even though you have clothed your responses with intellectual window dressing, I fear that that is what you have become in this particular thread.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Discussing the 9-11 false flag in a broad scope has value to stimulate one's interest in the big picture, beyond 9-11, and to put pieces of the puzzle together.

Getting stuck in the fine details of how it was engineered instead of why it was done only serves to divide people.

Those with resistance to the concept of how we are manipulated probably will find some refuge with the idea that if some detail is wrong, the whole story is wrong. At least until they are tapped on the head with the proverbial 2x4 (lumber).

The "why" of what was done is far more important than the details. Assigning blame can also be a distraction from understanding what we need to do to navigate past the ditch in the road ahead as comfortably as possible.

In the near future it is likely that more false flag events are planned. Can we now step back and ask ourselves "What can I do to navigate around the ditch in the road ahead?". It is important to create and execute a plan *now*.

The most effective manipulative tools used against us are likely to include interruptions of electricity and disruptions in supply lines for restocking grocery stores and fuel.

While no one can be totally prepared for what is ahead, many can make themselves less susceptible to manipulation by doing some degree of prepping.

United we stand, divided we fall.

[Cidersomerset]

The "why" of what was done is far more important than the details.
Assigning blame can also be a distraction from understanding what we need
to do to navigate past the ditch in the road ahead as comfortably as possible.

That is what I try to point out on some of my posts. For me its a given 9/11 was
an inside job. It would be great to find out how ? and prosecute the guilty. But as
with JFK when the crime is so big and in plain sight its not hard to get the public
to 'demand' justice. But it is hard to find the truth especially when all the main
organs of government , military , corporate media and even parts of the judiciary
are bought and paid for financially or by blackmail and in some cases ignorance
thru compartmentalisation. Like in the JFK case , when Oswald , Cuba and the
Soviets could be blamed in the mainstream straight away, and encouraged by
government. So the same with 9/11 with Bin Laden , Afghanistan and Iraq. All of
which had nothing to do the neo -con / zionist coup in America on 9/11.But were
blamed from the get go and many still believe they did it today.....

Simple facts like , why was no one sacked over the biggest failure in US military
history ? Quo Bono , who benefited ? follow the money ? The continuing war on
terror. The Zionist neo-con agenda being played out in front our eyes and much
more. All in the name of revenge for 9/11.

So why would any muslim faction or nation have planned this operation knowing
the 'wrath of the great Satan' in their eyes ? I don't think so.

History tells us time and time again that these 'false flag' events are organised by
darker forces behind the scenes of whatever government front or organisation they
are funding at any particular time.

Even Admiral Yamamoto when planning the Pearl Harbour attacks knew,
that waking the sleeping giant would unleash an mil industrial monster
on the world, that like a rogue Gene would be very difficult to put back
in its bottle......

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-i-fear-all-we-have-done-is-to-awaken-a-sleeping-giant-and-fill-him-with-a-terrible-resolve-isoroku-yamamoto-32-22-16.jpg

I know most on here know this but there are people looking in all the time..

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On the subject of Japan I knew there was something I wanted to post
somewhere and most of these actions are linked. Japan has just passed
a bill allowing them to send combat troops abroad since WW11. This
is I think to help the US if there is a conflict involving North Korea or
China in the near future...


Japan readies for war? New military bill sparks fierce protests

By David Icke on 20th September 2015

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Published on 19 Sep 2015


Thousands have rallied in Japan against the controversial military bill, passed by
the parliament. Since now Japanese forces will be allowed to fight overseas. The
demonstrations show this is far from being universally welcomed.

READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/6rqt

This is also a throw back to imperial Japans secret police.....

Japan Moves To Totalitarian Surveillance Society

By David Icke on 21st September 2015

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/09/20/national/ready-not-government-will-soon-number/#.Vf_Hft9Vikq


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[Michelle Marie]

It is so true, united we stand.

The true and high value of sharing information such as this, is waking up the minions. Everyday people are being used for purposes that are not benevolent, or Divine. Many of the whistleblowers are minions who woke up first.

We are here sharing (information) and caring for each other. I appreciate ALL views as they help me to contemplate many various aspects. All views are “food for thought” and are not positionalities that need to be defended. All are very valuable and they don’t have to be the same. (How could they be?)

The information is not about who is right. It’s about the useful purpose of it. I WAS A WOULD-BE MINION!!!! (an American public school teacher)

In my personal experience, I was viewing Bill and Kerry’s interviews and learned the truth about vaccines and the hype to promote a global pandemic. I did further research, too. I downloaded a copy of our county’s “Influenza Pandemic Plan of 2008.” The shadow agenda was right there, locally.

We did drills where I worked (lockdowns). We were given information from the CDC to promote vaccines in our mandatory public schools. I was asked to take part in that drug pushing inculcation activity. My conscience screamed at me and I quit my job.

Drills!!!! Who else has to participate in drills at their job??? Pay attention. When I read Rebekah’s book, I realized how anybody could get caught up in participating in these schemes. (Thank you, Rebekah!)

I meditate daily and my inner perceptions are becoming keener. This ability to discern truth is what we are all evolving abilities around. When your inner perception reads something and jumps up and down and says “That’s TRUE!” there is no mistake about it. Here’s the Divine Purpose: to wake up dormant senses and know and feel what is true and what is not, what is good and right and what is not.

We are helping each other to discover the truth and put it to good use: the truth WILL make us FREE!!!

Most people don’t want to quit their jobs when their whole life was spent going into debt to pay for college, or just life, and they don’t know how they will support the debt and pay everyday bills and living expenses. I went homeless for awhile. I have no regrets.

Although I’ve been poor in money since I quit; I’ve been rich in spiritual wealth. My treasures are surely laid up in Heaven, not on Earthly acquisitions. WE are each other’s wealth. Feel that.

Unity is wealth.

I can’t stress enough how grateful I am about how this truth information has affected my life, that I’m no longer a minion, and none of the drills I was involved in went live. I can speak to the strategies they use to push their regime/agenda, but some other time.

I’m free -- Let’s free our brothers and sisters by continuing to share the Truth.

:heart:Love:heart: and gratitude to all,
Michelle Marie

[grannyfranny100]

As Bill said so fairly, "It takes far more skill and wisdom to assemble a synthesis than to pick holes in someone else's honest hard work."

I also belief that posters may have serious ego driven agendas to avoid cognizant dissonance and a tremendous need to do lots of nitpicking to feel okay within themselves. They pepper spray the thread with statements that flatter themselves and can't see the obvious acting out behavior they are displaying. Somehow they lack the ability to praise the author's contribution to a very complex subject and their attempts to move the thread to an aspect of the topic that is not part of author's discoveries.

I have a kid sister who was dressed in her pajamas and wanted to get everyone's attention including my parent's visiting friends. She did a series of back flips across the living room and got their attention. Of course she didn't contribute much to the topic at hand but it was a clever and cute childhood way to participate. Perhaps before posting one should examine the reason for their comment or risk appearing to be my kid sister.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm only asking, because your intelligent and well-presented questions seem a little uninformed


, but I feel it's a little over board to suggest that someone with a different opinion to you is not up to speed or uninformed


Star Mariner, I hope you do not leave this thread. I find your questions and thoughts on what might have happened well-considered and thoughtful. And I am a bit disturbed by some of the posts suggesting that you are uninformed and/or that you should stop questioning Roth or stop asking questions in general.

Bill did not say that Star Mariner was uninformed. He said that his questions to which he was responding on this thread seemed a little uninformed. But this is a common occurrence - criticism, however tentative (note the word "seem") of particular actions or utterances is often taken as criticism of the person. Star Mariner and Star Mariner's questions on this particular topic are two, very distinct, entities. They are not one and the same. Criticism of one is not ipso facto criticism of the other.

No one said that having a different opinion was the motivation for suggesting someone's particular questions were a little uninformed. What mattered was what that different opinion was ... it might seem, to the commentator, profoundly informed, or a little uninformed, or a brilliant new insight, or something else. Just (only - primarily or exclusively) having a difference of opinion is not the issue.

The claim that "you're criticizing me because I have a different opinion" is frequently made, and almost as frequently, in my experience, inaccurate. None of us here, so far as I can tell, would criticize someone just because they had a different opinion. Escalating a criticism of a particular differing opinion to pleas for sympathy because (allegedly) one's person is being criticized and (overstating a bit here) one's right to free speech and independent views hampered is false and misleading rhetoric, in my view.

It is unfortunate, in my view, that such (also in my view) confusions of thought tend to muddy up threads such as this, rendering them less effective at providing a forum in which people can gain a better understanding of major events and dynamics of our civilization.

[ThePythonicCow]

My conscience screamed at me and I quit my job.
Thank-you.

[awakeningmom]

I'm only asking, because your intelligent and well-presented questions seem a little uninformed


, but I feel it's a little over board to suggest that someone with a different opinion to you is not up to speed or uninformed


Star Mariner, I hope you do not leave this thread. I find your questions and thoughts on what might have happened well-considered and thoughtful. And I am a bit disturbed by some of the posts suggesting that you are uninformed and/or that you should stop questioning Roth or stop asking questions in general.

Bill did not say that Star Mariner was uninformed. He said that his questions to which he was responding on this thread seemed a little uninformed. But this is a common occurrence - criticism, however tentative (note the word "seem") of particular actions or utterances is often taken as criticism of the person. Star Mariner and Star Mariner's questions on this particular topic are two, very distinct, entities. They are not one and the same. Criticism of one is not ipso facto criticism of the other.

No one said that having a different opinion was the motivation for suggesting someone's particular questions were a little uninformed. What mattered was what that different opinion was ... it might seem, to the commentator, profoundly informed, or a little uninformed, or a brilliant new insight, or something else. Just (only - primarily or exclusively) having a difference of opinion is not the issue.

The claim that "you're criticizing me because I have a different opinion" is frequently made, and almost as frequently, in my experience, inaccurate. None of us here, so far as I can tell, would criticize someone just because they had a different opinion. Escalating a criticism of a particular differing opinion to pleas for sympathy because (allegedly) one's person is being criticized and (overstating a bit here) one's right to free speech and independent views hampered is false and misleading rhetoric, in my view.

It is unfortunate, in my view, that such (also in my view) confusions of thought tend to muddy up threads such as this, rendering them less effective at providing a forum in which people can gain a better understanding of major events and dynamics of our civilization.

I’m not sure if you are directing your commentary at me, Paul, but I was not addressing Bill’s comments in particular in my post(s) – though yes, he too, suggested that Star Mariner’s questions were uninformed. But I will respond since you are using my quote in your post, although you are addressing Bill throughout your post and my objections were primarily in response to Araucaria’s posts, where I felt he (or she) was repeatedly suggesting that Star Mariner was “off topic,” or not understanding some fundamental rules of physics, magic, how planes with aluminum wings can’t carve through steel, or what Roth was saying.

I disagreed, and I also did not like the condescending tone and implicit bullying of these posts. In fact, it was obvious to me that SM did listen to the interview and had well-considered questions based on his/her listening to the interview. I’m not going to go through all of the posts and make a case for you – you’ve clearly made up your own mind about who muddied up the thread and who did not. But these posts affected Star Mariner enough to leave the thread and prompted me, someone who has no idea who Star Mariner is, to speak out as well.

I don’t mind people respectfully disagreeing with differences of opinion. But when someone is telling you that you are off-topic in a 9-11 thread when you are raising questions about 9-11 and about the interviewee’s theories in particular, I have to disagree. And I would venture to say that probably a few others on this forum might have felt the same about the not-so-subtle stifling of a different opinion. Of course, I guess to certain others I am just doing backflips in my pajamas looking for attention? (not really sure what that was about, but…uh... okay).

Araucaria claims that he/she is trying to “help” those who are still in trauma, but telling people to move on past the details -- lest one become addicted -- and simply accept the fact that it was an inside job because that is where he/she already is, is ignoring the fact that we are all in different stages of grief and/or awareness about this event. You would probably say something very different to a person whose beloved parent died yesterday than to one whose parent died fourteen years ago – and you’d probably allow both of them to reach their own final stage of grief (acceptance) at their own pace.

I was married to a commercial airline pilot for a long time. I thus listen to Roth with particular interest. However, she doesn’t have everything right. And even though I am intrigued by her Westover AFB theory and what she thinks happened to the passengers, the oddness of the supposed calls raises a lot of additional questions for me that I would have liked to explore with people willing to explore them. So are we accepting Roth’s synthesis without question in this thread -- or are we taking her theory and analyzing it to see if it holds water?

It seems that some people want to just thank Rebekah for her contribution and are uncomfortable with/hostile towards those who are perceived to be “poking holes” so to speak, while others might want to be able to discuss things further. Maybe there should be two Roth threads – a “thank you” thread and a “more questions allowed” thread? Or maybe a real conversation can continue via PM.

[ThePythonicCow]

So are we accepting Roth’s synthesis without question in this thread -- or are we taking her theory and analyzing it to see if it holds water?
Differing on what portion of Roth's testimony any one of us accepts as persuasive and likely correct is not the same as claiming we should accept her work without question, nor is it the same as agreeing that we should analyze her work to see what holds water.

I find that Roth's analysis that the planes must have landed before the calls were made, and that this likely meant landed at Westover AFB, based on timing and runway length and runway location and distance from when and where they took off, and on subsequent eye witness testimony (both regarding the base closure and seeing a plane in the air), to be quite persuasive.

Do you agree with that portion of Roth's analysis, or do you have credible evidence to the contrary?

[jaybee]

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Re the affidavit from the woman who Roth claims contacted her to say she saw the plane going into Westover AFB ~ do we have a name? .. anything to prove it is true?

In fact do we know who Rebekah Roth is or who she worked for or even if Rebekah Roth is her real name?


If possible I like to watch a person speaking when they give an interview and at the moment I'm half way through this one that was recorded in February...
I have also listened to the one in this thread...thanks Bill...

here it is for anyone who would like to see 'Rebekah' speaking...


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oh ..and this is another one where you can see her speaking for the first part and it's a bit clearer..

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[grannyfranny100]

Your questions seem ridiculously ego driven. Her publisher would have seen the legal document and to protect the witness's privacy, I doubt the author would send you a copy. Why not do some research about her name or buy the book which usually have a bio. Jaybee already provided you with the talking video. Too bad you couldn't do these things so you provide the answers to share with us.

And why didn't you share you husband's comments about where she is wrong? That would be more interesting than who was mean to whom first.

My sister was pretty sharp for a four year old. She figured out a way to get attention without whining but if you take that story as being a criticism of you and you can't get what it means, get red and white pjs with a matching elf's style hat and red slippers with a white fluffy ball on each of them and do some back flips.

Wish I had the patience of Bill or Paul. I hate it when these extremely long, ego driven replies appear and seem aimed at diverting the conversation. I'm out of here.

[jaybee]

thus listen to Roth with particular interest. However, she doesn’t have everything right. And even though I am intrigued by her Westover AFB theory and what she thinks happened to the passengers, the oddness of the supposed calls raises a lot of additional questions for me that I would have liked to explore with people willing to explore them. So are we accepting Roth’s synthesis without question in this thread -- or are we taking her theory and analyzing it to see if it holds water?



Well....Betty Ong gets a lot of attention from Roth..and she is saying that while all this (see video below) is going on she is in a hanger at Westover AFB.......

it seems that we don't know what altitude Flight 11 was at..near the beginning (o:39) the guy at Boston says he was 'going to climb him' but he wasn't responding..and around 9:50 they said that they didn't have an altitude because the transponder was off...(but Primary radar was being used to track them)..

The whole Westover hypothesis depends on the cell phone thing ....I must say these exchanges sound realistic to me. At first Betty makes a mistake and says that she is on Flight 12...but corrects it later On part 2 and 3 of these vids it's clear that there was a lot of confusion about what planes were what and where they were..but in a real life drama I don't find that too hard to believe especially as it was running at the same time as the Military Exercise and transponders were being turned off...

anyway here it is...

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[araucaria]

I said I had nothing further to say on the earlier discussion, and I don’t, beyond confessing to a certain impatience. Despite a continuous influx of new members, which is of course to be welcomed, the forum collectively has moved on, matured. It no longer has much time, for example, for apocalyptic comets, or for alien saviours; and between these two extremes, our collective wisdom has grown and moved forward. 911 is a date, just like 12/21/12 is a date.

A watershed event did happen on Dec 21st 2012: we matured from anticipation, and trepidation for some, to looking-back mode; in other words, we all survived something, albeit only a glorified panic attack. It may sound heretical to say so, but 911 is no different: we all survived something, something altogether more murderous to be sure; nonetheless the collective grieving process of survivors coming to terms with their survival has progressed to the point where I think it can be said that the broad outline of whodunit and why is fairly well understood, i.e. the discussion has moved on.

Of course, individual members may not be on the same page in this respect, but being part of a cohesive group requires that one acknowledges not being up to speed on a given subject. As I said, there is nothing personal about this; there are many areas where I am so off the pace that I have nothing at all to contribute, and am not ashamed to say so. But we do gain our wisdom from cross-fertilization among the various topics discussed here, most notably science and spirituality. That is why this 911 debate is a little sluggish for some of us, and so the remedy is a little more of that here to make some headway. If we are going to be critical of Rebekah Roth, then we have to do it seriously: no fussing over tiny details.

There is one flaw in Rebekah Roth’s position, but it is not some detail that being a pilot’s wife will help with. It is a major flaw that most of us are guilty of, namely the underlying premise of subscribing to “the ‘great person’ theory of history – the view that sees exceptional human beings as standing virtually outside of the stream of history, and imposing their will upon it ‘in virtue of their greatness’” (Mark Buchanan, Ubiquity, The Science of History… or Why the World is Simpler Than We Think, p.221). Here “greatness” includes great evil. The whole conspiracy theory attitude whereby the Powers That Be are in charge is completely circular. 911 had to be an inside job because, being in charge, the Powers That Be had to be in charge, QED. You have to step back from this for a moment to realize that this is the same endless loop in which we are stuck. The fact is that the Powers That Be are only in charge to the extent that they say so and we concur. But we on this forum do not concur with that. We say that every little person counts and has his/her say in equal measure.

What does that mean? It means that on some level the official story is correct: a bunch of Arab nobodies armed with boxcutters contrived to bring down the symbolic temples of American economic and military imperialism (the World Trade Center and the Pentagon respectively). Think about it. That is what the little people are clinging to because unconsciously they identify with such individuals and with that goal. And this is how they themselves become the major obstacle to the 911 truth movement and to world peace, because they have the same agenda, minus, I hasten to add, all the death and destruction. There is a crazy logic in the State subsequently viewing the whole population as potential terrorists. That is the way they have set up their game.

Hence the false flag operation is not so much on the level even of who and why, but for what ulterior motive. It may seem counterintuitive, but trillions of theft and thousands killed were no more than a bonus on the way to the main goal, which was and is simply to consolidate the myth of the PTB. Trillions of dollars are as trifling compared to extended ownership of the money system as receiving a fish is to learning to fish. And killing thousands is small beer when you have killed millions and have the wherewithal to destroy the entire planet. From the point of view of that goal, not only are the sheeple shooting themselves in the foot, the truthers are too, because to make their point of calling out the PTB they have to buy into the PTB myth. And the PTB myth gets another boost: heads I win, tails you lose. That is what we have to walk away from.

I quoted from Mark Buchanan’s Ubiquity, which offers an alternative view of history to the top-down model, and explains how critical mass is reached: reviewed here (http://www.theguardian.com/books/2000/oct/14/scienceandnature). It is modelled on the rice pile, where the effect of adding each tiny grain will vary widely in a highly unpredictable way.

The addition of a single grain may have no discernible effect, or it may precipitate a small avalanche, or a big one, or a series of avalanches resulting in a catastrophic collapse of the whole structure. The computer model was originally designed based on the workings of sand, but it was found that grains of sand did not follow the model, although stickier rice did. ‘Catastrophic’ is a rather sensationalist and negative term to describe what happens when moving suddenly from an increasingly unstable situation to a new, stable one. Such “self-organized criticality” operates in a host of different situations, including earthquakes, forest fires, stock exchange movements, wars and history generally. The notion of catastrophe presupposes that controlled instability is both possible and preferable to a natural return to stability.

What can we conclude from this model with regard to the present discussion? First, that the so-called Powers That Be can only pretend to have control over an escalating situation that is beyond their control. The only way to control or stem the flow is to alter the viscosity of the elements. In this way, a pile that was previously reaching critical instability may prove stable without collapsing first. The PTB are like a tiny number of grains of cooked rice with greater stickiness that need many more similar grains of rice in the pile than they can cook. The idea of changing our collective makeup to become a more cohesive unit, less subject to these great upheavals, is of course an excellent one. The mistake is in thinking that there are “exceptional human beings standing virtually outside of the stream of history, and imposing their will upon it”. We know there are none such because that is not how the system works. It is how history has misleadingly been taught us. There are two types of people who believe this nonsense: the so-called elites themselves, and the ordinary people they manage to take in.

Thankfully, there are fewer and fewer of either group. The former are down to 1% with 99% of the world’s money and warmongering – on their way to close on 0% with 100%, taking themselves totally out of the game. The latter are also dwindling in number, notably through our grains of rice or quantum leaps in understanding – small sudden changes leading to huge ones. The only kind of stability achievable by a more cohesive unit is going to be positively-oriented, simply because “stability (cohesion) with conflict” is a contradiction in terms.


Whatever lessons historians may be able to draw from all this, the meaning for the individual is more ambiguous. For if the world is organized into a critical state, or something much like it, then even the smallest forces can have tremendous effects. In our social and cultural networks, there can be no isolated act, for our world is designed – not by us, but by forces of nature – so that even the tiniest of acts will be amplified and registered by the larger world. The individual, then, has power, and yet the nature of that power reflects a kind of irreducible existential predicament. If every individual act may ultimately have great consequences, those consequences are almost entirely unforeseeable. Out there right now on some red square in the field of history a grain may be about to fall. Someone trying to bring warring parties to terms may succeed, or may instead spark a conflagration. Someone trying to stir up conflict may usher in a lengthy term of peace. In our world, beginnings bear little relationship to endings, and Albert Camus was right: “All great thoughts have ridiculous beginnings”.

[jaybee]

If we are going to be critical of Rebekah Roth, then we have to do it seriously: no fussing over tiny details.

But...isn't that what RR does...fuss over tiny details?


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[araucaria]

If we are going to be critical of Rebekah Roth, then we have to do it seriously: no fussing over tiny details.

But...isn't that what RR does...fuss over tiny details?


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That's what you're doing, for sure. Can we maybe have a serious response, please?

[jaybee]

If we are going to be critical of Rebekah Roth, then we have to do it seriously: no fussing over tiny details.

But...isn't that what RR does...fuss over tiny details?


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That's what you're doing, for sure. Can we maybe have a serious response, please?

That was serious...

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[Shannon]

Your questions seem ridiculously ego driven. Her publisher would have seen the legal document and to protect the witness's privacy, I doubt the author would send you a copy. Why not do some research about her name or buy the book which usually have a bio. Jaybee already provided you with the talking video. Too bad you couldn't do these things so you provide the answers to share with us.

And why didn't you share you husband's comments about where she is wrong? That would be more interesting than who was mean to whom first.

My sister was pretty sharp for a four year old. She figured out a way to get attention without whining but if you take that story as being a criticism of you and you can't get what it means, get red and white pjs with a matching elf's style hat and red slippers with a white fluffy ball on each of them and do some back flips.

Wish I had the patience of Bill or Paul. I hate it when these extremely long, ego driven replies appear and seem aimed at diverting the conversation. I'm out of here.

With all due respect, grannyfranny, how is it ego driven to want to know what is real and true and what is not? I'm asking because I question everything since being awoken to the true nature of our government and all their lies. When I question anything it comes from a place of wanting to know, yeah maybe I want to for myself , but I don't see how that is ego driven.

I'm done accepting everything at face value. There's a few questions Id love to ask and some of ms roths facts Id love to check, but that's a no go I guess?? I don't see anyone being rude or critical of her work. I thank her and find her a valuable asset to the whole thing. But asking questions, ego driven? Doesn't seem right to me. But I don't know jack poop, :)

Awakening mom explained in this thread what was wrong with one of roths points, emailed her, they went back and forth, and Roth made a correction.

[Michelle Marie]

I'd love to hear from somebody who has read the book! Mine has not arrived.

What intuitive "hits" or connections have surfaced?

I have not heard all of the many interviews, but who is stepping forward with info that they experienced that relates to Rebekah's information?

For me, I had the intuition that this would be a huge turning point in a positive way.

Thanks to contributors.
With expanding love,
Michelle Marie

[Shannon]

I'd love to hear from somebody who has read the book! Mine has not arrived.

What intuitive "hits" or connections have surfaced?

I have not heard all of the many interviews, but who is stepping forward with info that they experienced that relates to Rebekah's information?

For me, I had the intuition that this would be a huge turning point in a positive way.

Thanks to contributors.
With expanding love,
Michelle Marie

Here Ya go:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1000690&viewfull=1#post1000690


Star Mariner, I hope you do not leave this thread. I find your questions and thoughts on what might have happened well-considered and thoughtful. And I am a bit disturbed by some of the posts suggesting that you are uninformed and/or that you should stop questioning Roth or stop asking questions in general. I also found your information about 7/7 relevant and useful. Thank you.

Some posters apparently think Roth has the entire 9-11 problem solved, at least when it comes to the planes and where they went, how the calls were made, and what happened to the passengers. Because they have arrived at this opinion, apparently anyone else who continues to ask questions or have doubts about whether her theory is entirely correct is not SMART. I disagree.

Rebekkah Roth may have gotten some things right, but I know for a fact that she has gotten at least some details wrong. I won't discuss this in any further detail here, but in some of her earlier interviews after Book 1 she was giving a detail that I happen to know was incorrect. I privately wrote to Roth and informed her of her error, we went back and forth a couple times, and she has now fixed the error (at least in her interview with Bill). Yes, Roth has put a lot of time into her research, and has added to the greater understanding in my opinion, but she does not know everything. Indeed, as pointed out by others already, there are some very intelligent 9-11 researchers who have some issues with her Westover AFB theory, including the question of whether all four flights could land at Westover with the time allotted from the official stated time of take-off to the times the calls were made (which presumably all had to be made from the ground). Truth and Shadows, a blog that I have visited periodically, has a guest article by Paul Zarembka, a long-time 9-11 researcher, who goes into some of these technical issues with Roth's Westover AFB theory and the timing of the calls in more detail.

https://truthandshadows.wordpress.co...lanes-on-9-11/

Roth says that she's using all the government documents to form her opinions and piece together her puzzle. Ok. But why should we trust those documents? If the government is in on the whole thing, couldn't they have manufactured/doctored that evidence too? (e.g., aren't we are provided with the transcripts or the audio recordings of the calls by the government?)

I appreciate Roth's efforts and I do think she has some credible theories. However, I don't think the 9-11 event has been solved. Therefore, I appreciate all of those researchers who continue to contribute to the solving of this mass murder/ritualistic trauma of billions. I would like to think that this forum allows differences of opinion on this most heinous and most complex of crimes, and I do not like the shaming posts at all. We are all trying to get to the freaking truth here.

Love,

Awakeningmom

[Cidersomerset]

I don't think this has been posted , this should be interesting it starts with
Christopher Bollyn 9/11 researcher, followed by Rebekah Roth. John B Wells is a
pretty good experienced well informed host...........

Caravan To Midnight - Episode 369 A Methodical Deception

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Published on 18 Sep 2015

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Episode 369 – In this edition we observe the 14th anniversary of the 9/11 attack
alongside researcher and author Christopher Bollyn; followed by the return of Rebekah Roth as she brings lots of new information concerning the aforementioned
Methodical Deception.

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Former Host of Coast To Coast AM John B Wells is now in control on Caravan To Midnight

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If you do not know who Chris is there are a couple of presentations on link below...

Post # 19

Christopher Bollyn 2015: ‘Solving 911 Ends the War’

Wednesday 18th March 2015 at 07:14 By David Icke

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80888-9-11-and-false-flag-bullet-points-can-we-create&p=945666&viewfull=1#post945666

[ThePythonicCow]

Some posters apparently think Roth has the entire 9-11 problem solved, at least when it comes to the planes and where they went, how the calls were made, and what happened to the passengers. Because they have arrived at this opinion, apparently anyone else who continues to ask questions or have doubts about whether her theory is entirely correct is not SMART. I disagree.

Rebekkah Roth may have gotten some things right, but I know for a fact that she has gotten at least some details wrong. I won't discuss this in any further detail here, but in some of her earlier interviews after Book 1 she was giving a detail that I happen to know was incorrect. I privately wrote to Roth and informed her of her error, we went back and forth a couple times, and she has now fixed the error (at least in her interview with Bill).
Why withhold the details? Perhaps the details demonstrate that Rebekah is willing to fix errors, when she learns more.

I disagree that disagreeing means we (or at least myself) think disagreers are not SMART, just because they disagree. Disagreement might be smart, or it might not be. Reducing disagreement to an ad hominem argument that those who don't agree with the disagreement are doing so just because they unable to abide by, much learn from, discent, is sometimes not a smart way to disagree.

[Cidersomerset]

Good timing I just stopped the vid to make a note of the time....LOL

I think she maybe answering this Paul ......


Why withhold the details? Perhaps the details demonstrate that Rebekah is
willing to fix errors, when she learns more.

John B Wells is experienced and aprox 143/4 min mark he stops Rebekah in
mid flow and asks her " what does she say to critics that say she is only a
air stewardess and what does she know " ? (I'm paraphrasing) She explains
where she is getting some of her info and basically says , anyone can do
their own research and check her links on her web page.

This might answer some peoples basic questions , but won't satisfy every
ones curiosity and she does not claim to know everything, and she and
her team are still researching and taking calls and e 'mails from new
witness's or contributors as well as critics to her theories.....

She says she has been trolled, called a Jew & an anti semite etc...

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I'm 2hrs 40min in and have to stop for bed , theres a lot of info & photo of
alleged Israeli Students mossad/artist/bombers and possible demolition
fuse box's in the apartment on the 91 floor of one of the twin towers
plus more....getting tired..LOL

[awakeningmom]

For the record, Rebekkah Roth was very responsive and professional when I contacted her. She did, as Cidersomerset says above, share where she got her info, and was willing to correct her info when I presented her with mine. I assume she corroborated what I told her and I was happy to hear that she did fix it when being interviewed with Bill. I have a lot of respect for Roth and what she's trying to do -- even if I have remaining questions or want to delve deeper into her theories in some places (and wanted to read other poster's thoughts/questions too). Other than what I already shared with Rebekkah, however, I have no other special info, just personal opinions like everyone else.

But I think I'll hold off on sharing any more in this oddly inhospitable thread, and leave kind, mature, and utterly nutty Granny to her own devices. My first negative experience on this forum. I guess it happens sometimes.

Best,

Awakeningmom

[ThePythonicCow]

My first negative experience on this forum. I guess it happens sometimes.
You would not be first person to have one of their first negative experiences on a 9/11 thread ... such threads tend to be more radioactive than most ... the tinfoil hat conspiracy nutcase in me figures that's intentional ... thanks to efforts of the bastards in power and to the vulnerability of us humans to such conflict.

[Shannon]

Some posters apparently think Roth has the entire 9-11 problem solved, at least when it comes to the planes and where they went, how the calls were made, and what happened to the passengers. Because they have arrived at this opinion, apparently anyone else who continues to ask questions or have doubts about whether her theory is entirely correct is not SMART. I disagree.

Rebekkah Roth may have gotten some things right, but I know for a fact that she has gotten at least some details wrong. I won't discuss this in any further detail here, but in some of her earlier interviews after Book 1 she was giving a detail that I happen to know was incorrect. I privately wrote to Roth and informed her of her error, we went back and forth a couple times, and she has now fixed the error (at least in her interview with Bill).
Why withhold the details? Perhaps the details demonstrate that Rebekah is willing to fix errors, when she learns more.

I disagree that disagreeing means we (or at least myself) think disagreers are not SMART, just because they disagree. Disagreement might be smart, or it might not be. Reducing disagreement to an ad hominem argument that those who don't agree with the disagreement are doing so just because they unable to abide by, much learn from, discent, is sometimes not a smart way to disagree.

Just a heads up. That's not my post.

[ThePythonicCow]

Just a heads up. That's not my post.
Well ... it looked like your post :).

I just fancified the quoting in your post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1001797&viewfull=1#post1001797), to show that you were quoting awakeningmom :).

Thanks for catching that.

[Shannon]

Just a heads up. That's not my post.
Well ... it looked like your post :).

I just fancified the quoting in your post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1001797&viewfull=1#post1001797), to show that you were quoting awakeningmom :).

Thanks for catching that.

Lol... alllriiiighty then :)

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I just feel for the people in the buildings and the firemen and the people of New York that have had this day embedded. And every other poor soul that was emotionally dragged into this dark ritual.

To some people to even contemplate that it was an inside job is a seriously painful process that would feel non too dissimilar than the starting process of wriggling free from having a dry wedged cock up their asses.

So all the books and information that ridicule the pathetic story given to us is like... a lube. If the result means everyone can stand up straight again when talking about this subject then I'm all for it regardless of how accurate it is.

I don't need the liars to tell me the truth and I don't really want to know the whole truth, I just want to know in myself that when an event happens from now on my butt cheeks will be slammed shut.

[Constance]

I just feel for the people in the buildings and the firemen and the people of New York that have had this day embedded. And every other poor soul that was emotionally dragged into this dark ritual.

To some people to even contemplate that it was an inside job is a seriously painful process that would feel non too dissimilar than the starting process of wriggling free from having a dry wedged cock up their asses.

So all the books and information that ridicule the pathetic story given to us is like... a lube. If the result means everyone can stand up straight again when talking about this subject then I'm all for it regardless of how accurate it is.

I don't need the liars to tell me the truth and I don't really want to know the whole truth, I just want to know in myself that when an event happens from now on my butt cheeks will be slammed shut.

BUTT CHEEKS

Q: What did one butt cheek say to the other?

A: "Together, we can stop this s**t."

[Cidersomerset]

Caravan To Midnight - Episode 369 A Methodical Deception

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm7vs-pBZoc#t=10494
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Picking up from last night , there is loads of info basically showing links
to mossad, Israeli links and finger prints with their neo - con / Zionist
allies everywhere leading upto and after 9/11 and much more...

Aprox 344 mins in Rebekah talks about exotic weapons and the towers could
have be brought down by a dozen or more different methods in combination
for different aspects of the attack and as back up and making it as hard as
possible to piece together after the event , she is obviously speculating.


Anyone looking into 9/11 must look at the geo political picture before and after
the event to know how pivotal and why the US was taken over that day and
it was not by any Arab Hijackers or 'cave man' in Afghanistan. But by well
established organs of US/Israeli origin acting covertly to bring about various
agendas planned well before September 11th and being carried out ever since,
.....

The Day Israel Attacked America the first 'false flag ' ..... USS Liberty

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84321-Al-Jazeera-The-Day-Israel-Attacked-America-the-first-false-flag-.....-USS-Liberty&p=986895&viewfull=1#post986895

Top New World Order quotes

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Published on 7 Apr 2013
Just some quotes from very prominent people about the "New World Order". .

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I'm looking at todays headline page and virtually everday there are articles or
events are linked to the bigger picture/agenda. Israel has been a key ally in the
middle east for decades and have infiltrated the US everywhere with 'duel nationals'
and neo - con / Zionist allies . So they were and still are in positions of influence
and power in the US and other countries.

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Iran nuclear talks: Claims Israeli secret service ‘bugged hotels’ during decisive negotiations

By David Icke on 23rd September 2015 Big Brother, War and Terror

THE INDEPENDENT....

http://www.independent.co.uk/independent.co.uk/assets/images/redesign/masthead/indy-masthead-small.png

Iran nuclear talks: Claims Israeli secret service 'bugged hotels' during decisive negotiations


http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/pg-18-israel-iran-2-getty.jpg


Report says Swiss investigators have discovered cyber attackers infiltrated
surveillance cameras at top hotels in Switzerland and Austria using $50m Trojan
programme
Tony Paterson Author Biography...berlin

Tuesday 22 September 2015

‘The Israeli secret service is suspected of being behind a series of mysterious yet
highly sophisticated cyber-spying attacks on decisive negotiations over Iran’s
nuclear programme held at luxury hotels across Europe earlier this year, Swiss
media has reported.

A Swiss newspaper, Der Tagesanzeiger, said that research carried out by its staff
had shown that cyber hackers had been able to snoop on all the negotiations
conducted last spring and summer by Iran, the United States, Germany and the
UN’s four other veto powers, including Britain.

The paper said Swiss investigators had discovered that the cyber attackers had
infiltrated surveillance cameras at top hotels used for the Iran talks in Switzerland
and Austria using a highly sophisticated $50m (£33m) Trojan programme, which
had almost certainly been developed by the Israeli secret service.’

Read more: Iran nuclear talks: Claims Israeli secret service ‘bugged hotels’ during
decisive negotiations

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-nuclear-talks-
claims-israeli-secret-service-bugged-hotels-during-decisive-negotiations-10513335.html

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In the meantime Israel is annexing more and more of Palestine , while we are
distracted by Syrian refugees and the Balkanisation of Syria and Iraq.


Why did UN erase 1,000 years of Palestinian heritage?

By David Icke on 23rd September 2015 History Rewritten, Illuminati Criminals, Political Manipulation

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‘Last year, the UN recognized an area of outstanding archaeological and
architectural remains, located south of Jerusalem and Bethlehem but lying within
the current State of Israel, as a world heritage site.

The documentation lists periods of Hebrew, Persian, Hellenic, Roman, Byzantine,
early Islamic and Crusader remains as the key points in thousands of years of
human culture to be found there.

The recognition stops then – almost a millennium ago. The site, called Beit Guvrin
in the Israeli documents, is better known to Palestinians as the village of Beit Jibrin,
whose inhabitants farmed the land, went to the mosque, built schools and clinics,
ran a regular rural market and left the marks of their presence – both sacred and
everyday – as an integral part of the site.’

Read more: Why did UN erase 1,000 years of Palestinian heritage?

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/sarah-irving/why-did-un-erase-1000-years-palestinian-heritage?utm_source=EI+readers&utm_campaign=d889457010-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e802a7602d-d889457010-299185473

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You cannot look at 9/11 without looking at Israel/Palestine and the Middle East..


https://zahmed00.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/palestine-loss-of-land.jpg

https://zahmed00.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/palestinian-territory-07.gif

https://zahmed00.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/palestinian-territory-07.gif

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The ISIS Conspiracy Origins & The Creation of Israel - By Brandon Martinez on Red Ice Radio

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85140-The-ISIS-Conspiracy-Origins-The-Creation-of-Israel-By-Brandon-Martinez-on-Red-Ice-Radio/page4

[Cidersomerset]

Randy Maugans is another experienced host...


OffPlanetTV - Randy Maugans talks to Rebekah Roth - 17 September 2015

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Published on 18 Sep 2015


Support Free and Independent Media by purchasing a full HD copy of this show
on www.ethimarket.com or go to our Network Support Fund at http://www.ethimarket.com/downloads/n...

[Cidersomerset]

The 2nd part after the midway break starts with Randy giving a
good brief about other false flag and others events , then they
carry on for a bit then 1:24 m they get into the Israeli Art student
/ bombers, withinstructions how to get to the picture on the link
of the ' students' in the 91 story apartment in the tower.

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Israeli Art Students Inside WTC ~ The B-Thing

US arrests 200 young Israelis in spying investigation.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1387069/US-arrests-200-young-Israelis-in-spying-investigation.html

http://www.methodicaldeception.com/publishImages/resource2~~element52.jpg

As hard as this might be to believe a group of foreign
art students NOT U.S. Citizens managed to get temporary
construction ID for the entire WTC complex. While there,
they removed a window and extended a wooden balcony
while their "sponsor" was in the Millenium Hotel taking
photos, he also hired a helicopter to document the event.

And only a retired flight attendant sees something fishy?
http://www.methodicaldeception.com/gelatin_B_Thing_book_info.png

NY Times article .....http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/18/nyregion/balcony-scene-unseen-atop-world-episode-trade-center-assumes-mythic-qualities.html
http://www.methodicaldeception.com/publishImages/resource2~~element51.jpg
Notice the BB-18 number for those fuse holders?
http://www.littelfuse.com/~/media/electrical/datasheets/fuse-blocks-and-holders/dead-front-fuse-holders/littelfuse_fuse_block_powr_busbar.pdf

http://www.methodicaldeception.com/publishImages/resource2~~element53.jpg
What kind of ART project could these Israeli's be up to?

http://www.methodicaldeception.com/publishImages/resource2~~element55.jpg
Once a copy of this pass is in hand, one can be
reproduced, a simple project for an artist.


DEA report information HERE

Click http://www.methodicaldeception.com/resource2.html

More information on art students HERE....http://antiwar.com/rep/DEA_Report_redactedxx.pdf

NY Times article HERE.....http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_125.htm

More from History Commons HERE....http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?geopolitics_and_9%2F11=israel&timeline=complete_911_timeline

More spying info HERE....http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=4785888

http://www.methodicaldeception.com/resource2.html

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After this segment aprox 1:46 mins in they discuss 'Trolls and Parasites'....

aprox 1:50 she mentions Bills interview ......About intel - surveillance

Samson Option
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
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http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/6108716_f260.jpg

[jaybee]

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fuse holders...

kind of steers the listener right away from any 'exotic' technology doesn't it.....?

I don't suppose the exotic technology that Judy Wood talks about would need fuses...

[ThePythonicCow]

.

fuse holders...

kind of steers the listener right away from any 'exotic' technology doesn't it.....?

I don't suppose the exotic technology that Judy Wood talks about would need fuses...
The use of fuse holders only steers one away from 'exotic' technologies if one presumes that only one technology was used, to the exclusion of others. That is an incorrect presumption, in my estimation.

I agree with Rebekah that quite likely a variety of technologies were used, some conventional, some exotic.

[jaybee]

.

fuse holders...

kind of steers the listener right away from any 'exotic' technology doesn't it.....?

I don't suppose the exotic technology that Judy Wood talks about would need fuses...
The use of fuse holders only steers one away from 'exotic' technologies if one presumes that only one technology was used, to the exclusion of others. That is an incorrect presumption, in my estimation.

I agree with Rebekah that quite likely a variety of technologies were used, some conventional, some exotic.


So many mass murderers ...so many weapons..?

As you might have noticed, Paul I am very suspicious of RR .... my instincts alerted me and the more I look at what she is saying
the more I feel my instincts are right - but that's just me, I know most people here think she's the best thing since sliced bread
(slang expression used in Britain) :)

:thumb:

.

[Cidersomerset]

fuse holders...

kind of steers the listener right away from any 'exotic' technology doesn't it.....?
I don't suppose the exotic technology that Judy Wood talks about would need fuses...




Rebekah is definitely not steering away from Judy Wood or any of them,
in one of the last two docs , and I've been listening to a third one I
posted on Pauls thread. She refers that the twin towers did not 'pancake'
but disintegrated. Building 7 'pancaked' like the controlled demolition it
probably was. Rebekahs strength is her new perspective into some of
the events and connecting new & old dots.

But to how the building actual came down she refers to most of the
existing theories as far as I can tell.....

I know you have seen these vids or similar, Building 7 came down with relatively
little smoke and dust compared to the towers, granted it was smaller but nearly
all the debris falls into its footprint. Unlike the towers who's debris was scattered
over a wide area as dust.....

WTC 7 - Side by Side Comparison to Controlled Demolition

D7Rm6ZFROmc


Dr Judy Wood explains DUSTIFICATION re NYC WTC on 9/11

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Published on 2 Dec 2012

Penzance Truth Action presented Dr Judy Wood at The Tyringham Arms nr St Ives,
Cornwall UK on Nov 13th 2012. Here's part of her presentation.

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"Where Did The Towers Go?" - Dr Judy Wood in the UK....Sky 200 TV with Theo Chalmers.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41614-Where-Did-The-Towers-Go-Dr-Judy-Wood-in-the-UK....Sky-200-TV-with-Theo-Chalmers.

[ThePythonicCow]

So many mass murderers ...so many weapons..?

As you might have noticed, Paul I am very suspicious of RR .... my instincts alerted me and the more I look at what she is saying
the more I feel my instincts are right - but that's just me, I know most people here think she's the best thing since sliced bread
(slang expression used in Britain) :)
I've noticed :).

We have sliced bread (and that 'best thing since sliced bread' expression) over here in the US too. We Yanks borrowed much from the Brits ... and often made it bigger and more bad-ass:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/5/2980/640/wonderbread.jpg
... or in some cases, just more corrupt, as with our variant of the Queen's English.

But you were still wrong, in my view, to state the use of fuses leads one away from exotic technologies. The use of one does not exclude the use of the other as well, and that's likely just what happened at the World Trade Center on 9/11 of 2001.

[Shannon]

.

fuse holders...

kind of steers the listener right away from any 'exotic' technology doesn't it.....?

I don't suppose the exotic technology that Judy Wood talks about would need fuses...
The use of fuse holders only steers one away from 'exotic' technologies if one presumes that only one technology was used, to the exclusion of others. That is an incorrect presumption, in my estimation.

I agree with Rebekah that quite likely a variety of technologies were used, some conventional, some exotic.


So many mass murderers ...so many weapons..?

As you might have noticed, Paul I am very suspicious of RR .... my instincts alerted me and the more I look at what she is saying
the more I feel my instincts are right - but that's just me, I know most people here think she's the best thing since sliced bread
(slang expression used in Britain) :)

:thumb:

.

I understand where you're coming from, I know I just can't take anything at face value and must keep an open mind, I just make room for more information. RR, has given much time and energy to her research that I am happy and very thankful to have...I like her, a lot too, she's easy to listen to and I enjoy her voice as well.

Being suspicious isn't going to get anyone far or make you feel good about any of this, but there is nothing wrong with being careful about what you buy. People who fact check everything are priceless to me.

I'm happy she has put out information that gets people exposed to the truth movement, and what really happened on 9/11, that gets them open to asking their own questions and eventually will lead them to information that we at pa discuss. Which is all good to me! :)

[Selkie]

.

fuse holders...

kind of steers the listener right away from any 'exotic' technology doesn't it.....?

I don't suppose the exotic technology that Judy Wood talks about would need fuses...
The use of fuse holders only steers one away from 'exotic' technologies if one presumes that only one technology was used, to the exclusion of others. That is an incorrect presumption, in my estimation.

I agree with Rebekah that quite likely a variety of technologies were used, some conventional, some exotic.


So many mass murderers ...so many weapons..?

As you might have noticed, Paul I am very suspicious of RR .... my instincts alerted me and the more I look at what she is saying
the more I feel my instincts are right - but that's just me, I know most people here think she's the best thing since sliced bread
(slang expression used in Britain) :)

:thumb:

.

(my emphasis)

I agree. Something about her doesn't sit right with me, either. I didn't think so at first, but I do now.

p.s. I have her first book, and I found it to be utterly unreadable.

[jaybee]

So many mass murderers ...so many weapons..?

As you might have noticed, Paul I am very suspicious of RR .... my instincts alerted me and the more I look at what she is saying
the more I feel my instincts are right - but that's just me, I know most people here think she's the best thing since sliced bread
(slang expression used in Britain) :)
I've noticed :).

We have sliced bread (and that 'best thing since sliced bread' expression) over here in the US too. We Yanks borrowed much from the Brits ... and often made it bigger and more bad-ass:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/5/2980/640/wonderbread.jpg
... or in some cases, just more corrupt, as with our variant of the Queen's English.

But you were still wrong, in my view, to state the use of fuses leads one away from exotic technologies. The use of one does not exclude the use of the other as well, and that's likely just what happened at the World Trade Center on 9/11 of 2001.

Fair enough - we all have opinions and can hypothesise about it all - and IMO that's all RR has...a hypothesis. Heaven knows there's no shortage of opinions and theories. We all like to think we are on the right track -

Is she a genuine independent researcher...? That's impossible to answer 100% because we have no idea who she is, where she worked, what her motives are -

The PTB must obviously know who she is (wig and glasses or not.!!) and whether she is one of them or not... it's just Joe Public who doesn't know.

I think her hypothesis has many weaknesses.... but there you go..we don't all think the same..


mmmm Wonderbread - I'll have a couple of slices of that for buttered toast

cheers :)

.

[jaybee]

.

I tried to do the multi quote thing but it didn't work...

@Saint Theresa... Suspicion is the name of the game where 9/11 is concerned :wink:

but yes I like to keep an open mind and make my own mind up as well about 'stuff' even if it means going against the tide of opinion sometimes...


@selkie...I'm not going to buy the book(s)...I like to listen to interviews, preferably with the person on view so I can make my own assessments about whether I feel I trust them or not



.

[Shannon]

So many mass murderers ...so many weapons..?

As you might have noticed, Paul I am very suspicious of RR .... my instincts alerted me and the more I look at what she is saying
the more I feel my instincts are right - but that's just me, I know most people here think she's the best thing since sliced bread
(slang expression used in Britain) :)
I've noticed :).

We have sliced bread (and that 'best thing since sliced bread' expression) over here in the US too. We Yanks borrowed much from the Brits ... and often made it bigger and more bad-ass:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/5/2980/640/wonderbread.jpg
... or in some cases, just more corrupt, as with our variant of the Queen's English.

But you were still wrong, in my view, to state the use of fuses leads one away from exotic technologies. The use of one does not exclude the use of the other as well, and that's likely just what happened at the World Trade Center on 9/11 of 2001.

Fair enough - we all have opinions and can hypothesise about it all - and IMO that's all RR has...a hypothesis. Heaven knows there's no shortage of opinions and theories. We all like to think we are on the right track -

Is she a genuine independent researcher...? That's impossible to answer 100% because we have no idea who she is, where she worked, what her motives are -

The PTB must obviously know who she is (wig and glasses or not.!!) and whether she is one of them or not... it's just Joe Public who doesn't know.

I think her hypothesis has many weaknesses.... but there you go..we don't all think the same..


mmmm Wonderbread - I'll have a couple of slices of that for buttered toast

cheers :)

.

That's a wig????

;)

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Cidersomerset]

Well there you go , I spent ages copying and pasting the bleaden Israeli students post # 208
above and I was thinking it would make a good vid on its own.....Low and behold it has
and I just noticed Euromatrix has posted it.

Know wonder no one is surprised by it , I thought it was really interesting..LOL

Like Rebekahs vids there is so much info on the forum its hard to keep up with it....

Although I have posted all the individual links hopefully to the right articles
that's what was taking the time, as I was listening to the vid as well..(multi tasking )..Yeah !!

ZwTc8I0bfe0

[Cidersomerset]

HELLO EVERYONE , Who doubts they could have a big hand in 9/11 .....

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Israel controls security at key US military, nuclear, water, airports & FBI: Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich

By David Icke on 24th September 2015

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Published on 20 Sep 2015
from
Don't fear the Hijab & Birkini, women should visit Iran: Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcLgV...

[jaybee]

Rebekah is definitely not steering away from Judy Wood or any of them,
in one of the last two docs , and I've been listening to a third one I
posted on Pauls thread. She refers that the twin towers did not 'pancake'
but disintegrated. Building 7 'pancaked' like the controlled demolition it
probably was. Rebekahs strength is her new perspective into some of
the events and connecting new & old dots.

But to how the building actual came down she refers to most of the
existing theories as far as I can tell.....

I know you have seen these vids or similar, Building 7 came down with relatively
little smoke and dust compared to the towers, granted it was smaller but nearly
all the debris falls into its footprint. Unlike the towers who's debris was scattered
over a wide area as dust.....



sorry Cidersomerset I missed your reply yesterday somehow....

Thanks...


It seems like the longer times goes on the more muddy the 9/11 waters get - IMO

In all honesty I wonder if the timing of Roth's rehash plus a bit more hypothesis is to somehow counter act the struggles of the 9/11 families to get the redacted 28 pages released...and RR goes to great lengths to try and dismiss any Islamic connection..laying the whole thing on Israel/Mossad...

like the picture of the 'foreign students' by the boxes of 'fuse holders' ...they were Austrian art students apparently but she draws us to look at them as Israelis...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192114/Federal-lawsuit-reveal-evidence-Saudi-complicity-9-11.html



Federal lawsuit could reveal contents of 28 pages omitted from 9/11 report that allegedly implicate Saudi government
A congressional intelligence report had the explosive pages redacted
The two men who authored them are likely to be called to appear in court
The lawsuit has been brought by victims' families against Saudi kingdom
Suit claims links between two hijackers and former Saudi figures in US




Now, the two investigators who authored the section are expected to be called to testify in a federal lawsuit against the kingdom of Saudi Arabia brought by families and insurers of the victims of the atrocity.
Michael Jacobson was an FBI investigator and Dana Lesemann a Justice Department attorney when they authored the explosive 28-page section, reports the New York Post.
In addition, the pair are believed to have uncovered more evidence linking the Saudi Embassy in Washington, the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles and the two terrorists.
They did so while working for the independent 9/11 Commission, from whose final report the most grave allegations against the Saudis were stricken.



The judge now has 60 to 90 days to decide whether to accept Saudi arguments against Mr Jacobson and Mr Lesemann being called or to allow them to testify as the victims' families want.


I know many people here want to pin 9/11 on Israel but IMO Saudi Arabia is far more likely to be behind it -


.

[Slorri]

.

fuse holders...

kind of steers the listener right away from any 'exotic' technology doesn't it.....?

I don't suppose the exotic technology that Judy Wood talks about would need fuses...
The use of fuse holders only steers one away from 'exotic' technologies if one presumes that only one technology was used, to the exclusion of others. That is an incorrect presumption, in my estimation.

I agree with Rebekah that quite likely a variety of technologies were used, some conventional, some exotic.

Does anyone here understand how the fuse holders should be used in this case?
To me they doesn't seem to be useful for detonation.

[Cidersomerset]

and RR goes to great lengths to try and dismiss any Islamic connection..laying the whole thing on Israel/Mossad...

The Islamic connection seems to come from Saudi connections , which we see now
in Syria with the US/UK/Saudi/ Israel/Turkey and other states singing from the
same hymn sheet over Syria and Iraq. But 9/11 itself other than possibly Saudi
finance had little to do with Islam. The muslim patsies involved were recruited like
earlier factions in Afghanistan and Bosnia and other intel agency assets....Al Qaeda
was simply the data base of insurgent factions and groups from various countries.


I'm sure you have seen this but it is important...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Baj1AddOSQI/UqUn6EISAVI/AAAAAAAABe8/GA76HEqVJ9s/s1600/Al+Qaeda.jpg



I know many people here want to pin 9/11 on Israel but IMO Saudi Arabia is far more likely to be behind it -

Same team....

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http://awdnews.com/images/top-logo.jpg

https://oxwugzccvk3dk6tj.torstorm.org/n/src/1443095355865.jpg

Saudi foreign minister: we are in dire need of Israeli military assistance to defeat
Yemeni rebels; after all we are historically cousins

Top News 19 September 2015

According to Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty, Adel al-Jubeir, the newly appointed
foreign minister tacitly recognized his country's failure to rout Single-handedly
Yemen's anti-Saudi rebels and called on regional allies,namly Qatar and UAE, to
help Saudi Arabia to end the protracted war on Yemen.

"I personally discussed the Yemeni issue with His Royal Highness the King and to
find a feasible solution to terminate this dilemma, I suggested Israeli help as our
only hope to end the status quo , as they[Israelis] are highly skilled and indeed
proficient in this kind of warfare through decades in their confrontations with
Lebanese and Palestinian militias and to my delight, His Highness King Salman put
this proposal forward for further consideration," Qatari News Agency (QNA) quoted
Mr. Al-Jubeir as saying on Friday during his recent regional tour to Arab Gulf States.

http://awdnews.com/images/14426883491.jpg

To the detriment of our inexperienced pilots, added Mr. Al-Jubeir, the Yemeni
revolutionaries have in their possession the Russian lethal shoulder-fired surface-to-
air missiles and we lost a sum of 28 of F-15 fighters, thus in this crucial times , we
are in dire need of Tel Aviv's military prowess to curb Iran's slow but gradual
encroachment in Yemeni,so I hope one day this futile Israeli hesitation to intervene
in Yemen would end and the entire world will witness the comradeship and
amicablel co-existence between kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the State of Israel,
after all we are historically cousins.

http://www.nairaland.com/attachments/2882835_14426884213_jpeg4e243b58c0b2c48a78564a4ccc7d2040
The Saudi Arabia instigated a hapless crusade with White House giving its blessing
to crush the Yemeni revolutionaries and restore its protégé, the former dictator Abd
Rabbuh Mansur Hadi.

http://awdnews.com/top-news/saudi-foreign-minister-we-are-in-dire-need-of-israeli-military-assistance-to-defeat-yemeni-rebels-after-all-we-are-historically-cousins

[jaybee]

.


well there is such a thing as the Global Islamic Jihad - and I think 9/11 was related to that -

but I do think that using muslim groups, whoever they are as a proxy army ... was always a bad idea that was
going to end in tears -

but we don't want to go too off topic, I suppose...I was just exploring the idea that RR could have a hidden motive
with coming out with all this stuff at this time...if you google Rebekah Roth there is just reams and reams of stuff...
and yet we have no idea who she really is...

.

[Cidersomerset]

but we don't want to go too off topic, I suppose...I was just exploring the idea that RR could have a hidden motive
with coming out with all this stuff at this time...if you google Rebekah Roth there is just reams and reams of stuff...
and yet we have no idea who she really is...

I don't know how many vids you have watched ? not that that matters that much
as a lot is repeated, but I have watched a dozen or so and she is pretty consistent
and in the Randy Mauhgans one she says that she is trolled all the time and
quite often called a 'Jew lover and anti semite' in the same post. RR is not the first
by far to accuse the Mossad , Ken O'Keefe and many others were doing long before.

This is on the headline page today and I've posted before on the Ken O'keefe thread...

Ken O’Keefe going off on Israel and wars

By David Icke on 24th September 2015

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[jaybee]

Does anyone here understand how the fuse holders should be used in this case?
To me they doesn't seem to be useful for detonation.

I was looking at another forum about it last night and some posters were saying that - and (from memory) saying that they weren't strictly fuse HOLDERS...but I would need to check that out again in case I've remembered wrong..

perhaps someone more into electronics can help you with your question..

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I'll bet if we can connect these dots, we will have a very good idea who was responsible.


Who wanted the Patriot Act?
Who wanted Homeland Security?
Who wanted to destabilize Russia using a demonized and large Muslim population?
Who had access to the building?
Who can fly a large passenger airliner remotely, so precisely, that skilled veteran airline pilots can not duplicate the flight path on a flight simulator?
Who was in charge of security at the WTC?
What is the link between those who profited from the insurance and those who shorted the stock of American Airlines?
Can we ignore those temporarily detained by police in NJ who were dancing and cheering while observing the WTC demolition?

[jaybee]

RR is not the first
by far to accuse the Mossad , Ken O'Keefe and many others were doing long before.



I know she is most definitely not the first but she has given those accusations a massive boost...


.

[Cidersomerset]

perhaps someone more into electronics can help you with your question..

I agree, my thoughts when seeing them, if the fuses were part of the equipment
used it was part of several alternate methods that may of been prepared in case
the exotic weapons did not work. Veterans today say mini nukes were used. I think
if the Towers fell like building seven it may have been too obvious a controlled
demolition. Remember building seven was a sort of side show and many people
today still do not know about it.

There were reports of explosions in the basement , and the first responders said
the towers were secure after the so called plane crashes, and the collapse of
both towers came out of nowhere in that respect.

[Cidersomerset]

I'll bet if we can connect these dots, we will have a very good idea who was responsible.
•Who wanted the Patriot Act?
•Who wanted Homeland Security?
•Who wanted to destabilize Russia using a demonized and large Muslim population?
•Who had access to the building?
•Who can fly a large passenger airliner remotely, so precisely, that skilled veteran airline pilots can not duplicate the flight path?
•Who was in charge of security at the WTC?
•What is the link between those who profited from the insurance and those who shorted the stock of American Airlines?
•Can we ignore those temporarily detained by police in NJ who were dancing and cheering while observing the WTC demolition?


That's an impressive list Ron...and they have all been answered to some degree
in various articles , vids and presentations.....


9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money

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Published on 11 Sep 2015

TRANSCRIPT, SOURCES AND MP3: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=16167

Forget for one moment everything you've been told about September 11, 2001.
9/11 was a crime. And as with any crime, there is one overriding imperative that
detectives must follow to identify the perpetrators: follow the money. This is an
investigation of the 9/11 money trail.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85192-9-11-Trillions-Follow-The-Money--James-Corbett-

[Cidersomerset]

I moved this answer....


I know she is most definitely not the first but she has given those
accusations a massive boost...

Because they are probably true , combined with other agencies.

But Mossad nor Saudi 'terrorists' could have stood down the US Airforce on 9/11
wargames or no . That's where RR's info fits in for me , they thought they were
all part of a drill. Just like 7/7 and other 'false flag' ops.

Though the argument goes many key 'dual' nationals and Neo -con 'Zionists '
Americans could of infiltrated and planned the whole thing.

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Mike Ruppert 2004 “Why No Air Force Response To 9/11 Attack”

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Mike Ruppert with impeccable research explains why the Air Force did not have an
immediate and effective fighter response to the 4 hijacked planes heading to New
York and Washington DC.

The Air Force knew and failed to act - why?

Mike Ruppert 2004 “No Fighter Response on 9/11”

In Memoriam: February 3, 1951 to April 13, 2014. Mike Ruppert, Publisher and
Editor of From the Wilderness, has been breaking major stories about 9/11 since
2001. He gave this talk at the International Citizens’ Inquiry Into 9/11, Phase 2,
held in Toronto, CANADA, May 25-30, 2004.

Mike indicts Dave Frasca, head of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit for a long
list of mole-like activities, for which he was promoted after 9/11. “I would call him
a suspect,” says Mike, to great applause!

Mike brilliantly opens up the “War Games” can of worms and busts Condoleezza
Rice, the White House, and Richard Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for
their lies and complicity in 9/11.

Closing with comments on Peak Oil, Mike is an excited and exuberant speaker
giving us his latest research on his cutting edge investigation into the Truth of 9/11.
--
Produced: 2004, Episode: 911TV TOMR
Category: Education, 57:52

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[jaybee]

I moved this answer....


I know she is most definitely not the first but she has given those
accusations a massive boost...

Because they are probably true , combined with other agencies.

But Mossad nor Saudi 'terrorists' could have stood down the US Airforce on 9/11
wargames or no . That's where RR's info fits in for me , they thought they were
all part of a drill. Just like 7/7 and other 'false flag' ops.


I don't buy that....and I actually think that Islamic 'terrorists' are and were a real danger and not just poor victims fooled into doing bad stuff.....

And the 'stand down' thing....I think the 'does the order still stand' business could have been ...does the order still stand to (remotely remove and) shoot down...Flight 77.. (maybe)....we can only guess what order still stood..we don't KNOW -

BUt this is going in the direction that 9/11 threads always go...round and round..:)

cheers Cidersomerset - :thumb:


.

[Cidersomerset]

BUt this is going in the direction that 9/11 threads always go...round and round..


That's certainly what TPTB hope , but none of what has happened since 9/11 has had any
benefit on any Islamic cause I can see, except Saudi and allies .So even if they did have
something to do with 9/11.They certainly messed up and the neo -con Zionist plan being
played out in front of our eyes is just a 'happy coincidence ' that was seized upon by
George Bush and his cronies. Afghanistan was to reopen the drug trade closed by the
Taliban , Iraq was part of the seven country plan explained by Gen Wesley Clarke.
Other internal Islamic conflicts continue as in Pakistan , Yeman , Sudan ,Turkey
with the PKK and other flash points...........


Gen Wesley Clark Reveals US Plan To Invade Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, And Iran

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Afghan Opium Harvesting Protected by British & American Occupation Forces // 2014 the largest Opium crop in History.

One of the consequences or agenda ? of the Afghan war was the resurrection of the
opium trade that was stamped out briefly by the Taliban regime.When the US/UK
led NATO forces invaded they were aided in the fight against the Taliban by the
northern Warlords who were part of the international Opium trade run by CIA
affiliates and others. The Taliban were prepared to hand over Bin Laden if the
US could give them proof he organised the 9/11 attacks. Of course they could
not and they had to invade in the wake of the hysteria of the 'False flag' attack.
Looking back at it now the only thing the invasion has achieved apart from
thousands of deaths is a record Opium crop. There,s something very suspicious
about this ' mainstream' press !!

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The Spoils of War: Afghanistan’s Multibillion Dollar Heroin Trade

Washington's Hidden Agenda: Restore the Drug Trade
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky....Global Research, May 25, 2015

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Opium-Afghanistan-chart.jpg

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-spoils-of-war-afghanistan-s-multibillion-dollar-heroin-trade/91


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84791-Afghan-Opium-Harvesting-Protected-by-British-American-Occupation-Forces-2014-the-largest-Opium-crop-in-History.&p=992549#post992549

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Afghan Opium Wars: Drugs win?

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Published on 2 Apr 2014

Afghan drug crops prosper despite burning billions in prevention. More than half of
all provinces in Afghanistan are growing opium poppies. As Lucy Kafanov reports,
it's taken its toll on Afghan society and far beyond.
RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[jaybee]

Gen Wesley Clark Reveals US Plan To Invade Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, And Iran


I've seen that video a few times and I'm disgusted about what happened to Iraq, Libya and now Syria... :(


.

[Cidersomerset]

Mike Ruppert 2004 “Why No Air Force Response To 9/11 Attack”

I just woke up and had to get up as I had a Ulrika ..'Ah' !!
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ulrika+Jonsson+pk1KdzvRUUBc.jpg

'Uhrrr' Sorry Eureka dream....http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/557f11de6da8115c50322ae0-480/back-to-the-future-doc-playboy.png

https://missiongalacticfreedom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/back-to-the-future-predicts-9-11.jpg

BACK TO THE FUTURE predicts 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ULjJ3EqyY

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/clocklightning.gif

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85511-Will-This-Be-Enough-To-Wake-The-Asleep-Please-Share&p=1002511#post1002511

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No not that , although !! .......If there were no jet liners actually 'high jacked' on
9/11, just planes used in the drills going on as per RR & others theories...


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Mike Rupperts analyst would also fit , He says there were only 8 fighters available
at the critical moment and as they fly in pairs that means only four response teams.
At the time there were up to 21 false potential 'hijack' blips on NORADS radars
from the various wargames and exercises , so it could have been set up to
hide the fact there were no real airliners used in the actual attack as RR and
Judy Wood and many others speculate....

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http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/09/vp-cheney-issued-911-stand-down-orders-while-missile-approached-pentagon-tip-of-the-government-conspiracy/

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The 9/11 Stand Down

of the trillion dollar Air Force

9/11 Timeline: the key to understanding why the Trillion Dollar Air Force did not defend its headquarters

"The power to see to it that regular government operations don't occur is one of the
greatest controls over power you can wield in a government."
-- Colonel Fletcher Prouty, Pentagon liaison to CIA
interview with Joseph Spieler, (archived on the CD-ROM available from prouty.org)

General Anatoly Kornukov
Commander in Chief of the Russian Air Force
"Generally it is impossible to carry out an act of terror on the scenario which was
used in the USA yesterday… As soon as something like that happens here, I am
reported about that right away and in a minute we are all up."

http://www.oilempire.us/standdown.html

This makes more sense if there was no plane but a missile or drone ? and
the plane flew over the top of the Pentagon as many witness's said...


Dick Cheney Gave Stand Down Orders on 9/11

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A satirical moment from the current President that's fits here...LOL

Obama; I think Dick Cheney is the worst President of my lifetime

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[seah]

I finally had the opportunity to listen to the interview with RR, I am impressed with her determination to research and finally publish what appeared preposterous to her from the start. What she brings forth certainly makes much sense and she explains it all seamlessly.

I have to wonder how many other people have remained silent when their inside knowledge could have been helpful in putting together the pieces of this horrendous betrayal against humanity. I wonder the same thing in regards to chemtrails, and those who actually fly the planes now, that carry the biohazards, they have children, grandchildren, etc. Are they so disconnected from their own higher selves that they cannot question what they take part in to make a buck?

Great interview, Bill.

[Cidersomerset]

Related.....I posted this on the Jeremy Corbyn page , but it is relevant
here , as soon as a main stream politician says anything 'really' out
of line they are first 'sneered at' then ridiculed , then attacked in the
mainstream press and parliament. Then either manipulated or
'blackmailed' out of responsibility , failing that 'JFK'ed' like Dr.David
Kelly , possibly Robin Cooked and others.

Re: Labour leadership: Jeremy Corbyn on leader result ....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85211-Labour-leadership-Jeremy-Corbyn-on-leader-result-....&p=1003262&viewfull=1#post1003262

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Jeremy Corbyn: Bush and Blair Manipulated 9/11 to Invade Afghanistan

By David Icke on 26th September 2015

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THE TELEGRAPH...

Jeremy Corbyn: 9/11 was 'manipulated'

In comments that will raise questions about his suitability to lead the
Labour Party, Mr Corbyn appeared to blame George Bush and Tony
Blair for using the September 11 attacks in New York to allow them to go to war

By Peter Dominiczak, Political Editor

10:00PM BST 25 Sep 2015

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Jeremy Corbyn has claimed that 9/11 was "manipulated" to make it look like
Osama Bin Laden was responsible to allow the West to go to war in Afghanistan.
In comments that will raise questions about his suitability to lead the Labour Party,
Mr Corbyn appeared to blame George Bush and Tony Blair for using the September
11 attacks in New York to allow them to go to war. In a series of further articles, Mr
Corbyn also appears to endorse controversial conspiracy theories about a “New
World Order”.

Mr Corbyn will attempt to use the Brighton conference to unite the party after it
threatened to split apart in the wake of his shock election victory. However, a
number of Labour MPs are expected to use the conference to publicly state that the
party is unelectable under Mr Corbyn. Lord Mandelson on Friday said that the party
should only consider ousting Mr Corbyn after it is clear the public have realised the
party "cannot be elected with Corbyn as leader".

Mr Corbyn was heavily criticised in the days before winning the Labour leadership
after suggesting that the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy”.

In the 2003 article for The Morning Star newspaper, Mr Corbyn wrote: “Historians
will study with interest the news manipulation of the past 18 months.

“After September 11, the claims that bin Laden and al-Qaida had committed the
atrocity were quickly and loudly made.

“This was turned into an attack on the Taliban and then, subtly, into regime change
in Afghanistan.”

However, in previous years he wrote a series of articles which appear to have
endorsed the conspiracy theory about the “New World Order”.

The “New World Order” conspiracy is frequently linked to theories about the so-
called “Illuminati” and claims about a “totalitarian world government”.

In an article for “Labour Briefing” in 1991, Mr Corbyn wrote: “We now know that
the Gulf War was a curtain-raiser for the New World Order: the rich and powerful,
white and western will be able to maintain the present economic order with free use
of all the weapons they wish for.”

That same year, he said in Socialist Campaign Group News: “The aim of the war
machine of the United States is to maintain a world order dominated by the banks
and multinational companies of Europe and North America.”

Read more: Jeremy Corbyn: Bush and Blair Manipulated 9/11 to Invade Afghanistan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11892383/Jeremy-Corbyn-911-was-manipulated.html

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Corbyn's conspiracy theory: 9/11 attacks were 'manipulated' to make it look like
Osama Bin Laden was responsible, says Labour leader
Labour leader claimed Tony Blair and George W Bush used it to go to war
Wrote articles appearing to endorse 'New World Order' conspiracy theory
It comes as MPs expected to publicly state party is unelectable under him

By Kate Pickles For Mailonline

Published: 09:27, 26 September 2015 | Updated: 12:40, 26 September 2015


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249892/Corbyn-s-conspiracy-theory-9-11-attacks-manipulated-make-look-like-Osama-Bin-Laden-responsible.html#ixzz3mqZXIZs0
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When Robin Cook gave his speech before parliament just before his untimely
demise , you can see Jeremy Corbyn listening intently behind him....

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What New World Order.....DUH !!

New world order quotes from different world leaders 2015

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The knives will be out for Corbyn as the former 'Fun boy Three' of New Labour
are running scared not of a Labour defeat. But being prosecuted in the illegal
wars after 9/11 and their part into manipulating the facts.


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DAVID CAMERON in UN Speech Says ANYONE QUESTIONING the 9/11 Official Story Is an EXTREMIST

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Published on 29 Sep 2014


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In the wake of revelations about the extent of mass surveillance by the NSA and
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170,000 internet users worldwide, GWI found that 11% of all users claim to use
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Tor was created – largely with funding from the U.S. government – in order to
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So it is ironic that the NSA targets as “extremists” (the word the U.S. government
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are rewarded for taking the most extreme, maximalist positions,” Obama told the
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He then quotes Matthew Olsen, the director of the National Counter-Terrorism
Center, who told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in March hundreds of
terrorists have Western passports and they “could return to their home countries to
commit violence on their own initiative or participate in al Qaeda-directed plots.”

According to a report by issued by START last month, “sovereign citizens were the
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[idiit]

at 55:12 minutes in james fetzer points out that rebecca's books are self admitted works of fiction. Rebecca also now asserts to being the world's #1 authority on 9/11. :) start at 54:52.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkTWCpVZn5M

phd james fetzer has a blog posted article on his issues with ms. roth :


Monday, September 21, 2015





Rebekah Roth's METHODICAL ILLUSION: Pros and Cons


by Jim Fetzer

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/09/rebekah-roths-methodical-illusion-pros.html

this week's false flag weekly news video is one of the best one hour current events I've viewed; ever. start at the beginning of the video to hear two phd's critical take on atm global events.

ppl need to see for themselves, view for themselves. I research different perspectives for a balanced viewpoint and even then usually stay open minded until I consider the evidence overwhelming in one direction. .

[Cidersomerset]

at 55:12 minutes in james fetzer points out that rebecca's books are self admitted works of fiction.
Rebecca also now asserts to being the world's #1 authority on 9/11. start at 54:52.

He said something similar on the Ritchie Allen show which I posted
on page 7 #121, but he was not rude just giving a response to a
question.

now this has got out of hand and I expect someone has been firing
up Rebekah. A bit of 'Trolling' go on I think ...LOL

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from # 121

Jim Fetzer From 911Scholars.org With New Amazing
Revelations About What Really Happened On 9/11

Aprox 37 min in Jim is asked about Rebekah and he gives some comments....

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[ThePythonicCow]

at 55:12 minutes in james fetzer points out that rebecca's books are self admitted works of fiction. Rebecca also now asserts to being the world's #1 authority on 9/11. :) start at 54:52.
Fetzer, in my view, is allowed to continue his leading 9/11 role as founder of Scholars for 9/11 truth and a reliable speaker exposing "9/11 truth" because he serves as limited hangout. He blames the US Government, including the drug running CIA and especially the Neocons such as behind The Project for a New American Century, as the primary culprits behind 9/11.

For example, starting at 6 mins, 6 secs in the following video, Fetzer answers directly the question of who was really behind 9/11. He blames the US government, especially the CIA and the Neocons: Jim Fetzer interview uploaded to Youtube on Sep 10, 2011 (https://youtu.be/BmTS83UCN0Y?t=6m6s).

Fetzer chooses sides, against the CIA, the Neocons, and the Israelie Zionists, but speaking positively of the Catholic Church, Russia, China and the Climate Change agenda.

Fetzer's critique so far of Rebekah Roth is thin:

Rebekah Roth's work is fiction (true).
Roth accuses Fetzer of being a drunk (I don't know, perhaps he enjoys the sauce a bit much).
The back cover of Roth's second book, Methodical Deception, states that "Rebekah Roth established herself as the foremost authority on 9/11" (yes, this is overstated hype, common for publishers to put on book covers.)
Roth states that turning off the transponder will keep a plane from showing on FAA radar (half true - still paints on passive radar, but not as a known flight on active radar.)

Fetzer is a leading spokesman of the 9/11 Truth Movement. In 2005, Fetzer co-founded Scholars for 9/11 Truth with Steven E. Jones. In 2006, Fetzer retired as a professor of philosophy at the University of Minnesota Duluth, with extended expertise in the history and philosophy of science.

In my estimation, both Fetzer and Jones (Jones is a leading proponent of the thermite explanation for the destruction of the WTC towers) are occupying limited hangouts, openly and vigorously attacking the Neocons and such in the US government, and sometimes other Rothschild endeavors, but supporting rather than attacking Rockefeller associated endeavors, including the BRICS nations and their activities, as well as Jesuit associated endeavors (the current Catholic pope, of whom Fetzer speaks highly, is a Jesuit.)

I would not be surprised to see the Bush crime family, the US Federal Reserve, the Neocons and the Zionists lose substantial influence over the coming decade, though they will not go gracefully.

But I don't trust Fetzer or Jones to speak of the dark side of the other major parties active here, such as those behind the Roman Catholic Church, including the Jesuits, and those behind the BRICS nations, including some Chinese families that I am not knowledgeable of at all, and the Rockefellers and associates, who have been "opening China's doors" for many decades now.

That Rebekah Roth would lead her counter-attack to Fetzer's opening criticism of Roth with the ad hominem accusation that he's a drunkard is an "interesting" tactic. As an admitted "Roth fan" at the moment, the positive spin I would put on this is that Rebekah knows that the 9/11 Truth movement, of which Fetzer is a leading spokesman, is no friend of uncovering the entire truth, so by turning their interactions into a food fight right from the beginning, Roth insulates her real intended audience from that distraction. Her real intended audience is those who have not looked too closely into 9/11 yet, but are open, if approached in the right way, to gaining a better understanding. That audience will instinctively tune out such food fights, having no desire to disentangle the "he said, she said" accusations to determine who is at fault.

[ThePythonicCow]

Kevin Barrett has a more favorable and detailed review of Rebekah Roth's first book, Methodical Deception, posted in Jan of 2015 at Airline whistleblower solves 9/11 (Veterans Today) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/31/airline911/). There is quite a bit of difference between Barrett's review of Rebekah's work and Fetzer's.

Barrett concluded that post with the words:
It may be a novel, but truer words have never been spoken.

[idiit]

nice posts paul, :)

[jaybee]

Fetzer, in my view, is allowed to continue his leading 9/11 role as founder of Scholars for 9/11 truth and a reliable speaker exposing "9/11 truth" because he serves as limited hangout. He blames the US Government, including the drug running CIA and especially the Neocons such as behind The Project for a New American Century, as the primary culprits behind 9/11.



Is 'limited hangout' a fashionable new 9/11 concept Paul..........:idea: :wink:


Came across this doing a bit of 9/11 research...


http://www.henrymakow.com/september_clues.html

Simon Shack, who made "September Clues," believes the 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT is a well-funded limited hangout. The leaders reveal certain aspects of the attacks but hide the true events, of which video trickery played a key part. There
were no planes involved and possibly few passengers.



Browsing through the Twitter feed on the left of the Henry Makow site I was quite shocked to see this tweet.....from Makow - who it appears is well into anti semitism from what I can see -


Next Holocaust won't be so much fun. 31% of Americans would not hide Jews from Nazis-
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/09/26/what-percentage-of-americans-said-they-would-not-have-helped-jews-hide-from-nazis-256572 …


WTF

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[ThePythonicCow]

Is 'limited hangout' a fashionable new 9/11 concept Paul..........:idea: :wink:
Hardly new. For example, from Interview of Proponents of Opposing 9/11 “Mechanisms” Duking It Out (Humint Events Online, August 2008) (http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html):

A word on Fetzer here. I am well familiar with him, having read, years ago, all his books on the Assassination of President Kennedy. They are pseudo-masterpieces of gate-keeping and limited hangout!

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Browsing through the Twitter feed on the left of the Henry Makow site I was quite shocked to see this tweet.....from Makow - who it appears is well into anti semitism from what I can see -


Next Holocaust won't be so much fun. 31% of Americans would not hide Jews from Nazis-
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/09/26/what-percentage-of-americans-said-they-would-not-have-helped-jews-hide-from-nazis-256572 …
Nor are (seemingly unrelated, in this case) charges of anti-Semitism new in such discussions. I am pleased that over 2/3's of American's would risk their lives and the lives of their loved ones to shelter strangers threatened by the government.

[jaybee]

Is 'limited hangout' a fashionable new 9/11 concept Paul..........:idea: :wink:
Hardly new. For example, from Interview of Proponents of Opposing 9/11 “Mechanisms” Duking It Out (Humint Events Online, August 2008) (http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html):

A word on Fetzer here. I am well familiar with him, having read, years ago, all his books on the Assassination of President Kennedy. They are pseudo-masterpieces of gate-keeping and limited hangout!

oh ok .. I hadn't heard that term used before..




Browsing through the Twitter feed on the left of the Henry Makow site I was quite shocked to see this tweet.....from Makow - who it appears is well into anti semitism from what I can see -


Next Holocaust won't be so much fun. 31% of Americans would not hide Jews from Nazis-
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/09/26/what-percentage-of-americans-said-they-would-not-have-helped-jews-hide-from-nazis-256572 …
Nor are (seemingly unrelated, in this case) charges of anti-Semitism new in such discussions. I am pleased that over 2/3's of American's would risk their lives and the lives of their loved ones to shelter strangers threatened by the government.

It wasn't that bit that I found shocking it was Makow saying 'Next holocaust won't be so much fun'

I don't think anti semitism can be automatically ruled out when it comes to Roth and speculation on what her motives might be... for example when she tried to make out the art students in that room in the WTC were Israeli, when the art group she was refering to were Austrian - she must have known this - but it strengthened 'the jews did it' thrust of her narative to have them be Israeli...

but that's just one possibility of motive..

that's what I think anyway...


cheers

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[ThePythonicCow]

I don't think anti semitism can be automatically ruled out when it comes to Roth and speculation on what her motives might be... for example when she tried to make out the art students in that room in the WTC were Israeli, when the art group she was refering to were Austrian - she must have known this - but it strengthened 'the jews did it' thrust of her narative to have them be Israeli...

but that's just one possibility of motive..

that's what I think anyway...

So ... if it should turn out that those art students were Israeli, not Austrian, then should I suggest that you were being anti-Austrian, for proposing otherwise. Or should I just suggest that despite conflicting evidence to the contrary, the weight of the evidence eventually settled on their being Israeli. (Mind you, I am not taking a position on the question of the nationality of those art students, not having studied the evidence that either you or Rebekah presented on that question.)

The label "anti-Semetic" is used to discredit others, to overlay a sensible discussion of evidence with an emotionally laden guilt trip. I recommend being more cautious in leveling such accusations.

[jaybee]

So ... if it should turn out that those art students were Israeli, not Austrian, then should I suggest that you were being anti-Austrian, for proposing otherwise. Or should I just suggest that despite conflicting evidence to the contrary, the weight of the evidence eventually settled on their being Israeli. (Mind you, I am not taking a position on the question of the nationality of those art students, not having studied the evidence that either you or Rebekah presented on that question.)

I don't follow your logic in your first sentence .. Gelatin/Gelitin were an Austrian Art Group so I don't see how that could make me anti- Austrian

The art student bit of RR's narative was pretty silly anyway...IMO



The label "anti-Semetic" is used to discredit others, to overlay a sensible discussion of evidence with an emotionally laden guilt trip. I recommend being more cautious in leveling such accusations.

it's no good pretending that anti semitism doesn't exist and MIGHT influence someone's view of a situation - take Makow as a possible example - - I'm not making an accusation so much as making a personal observation -

but I won't labour the point and I just gave the Art Student thing as an example of evidence that might point in that direction -



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[Bill Ryan]

Gelatin/Gelitin were an Austrian Art Group so I don't see how that could make me anti- Austrian
(stepping in for a moment :) )

It doesn't matter what nationality they were (or said they were, or seemed to be). It may matter


What they were doing
Why they were doing it
Whether they were working for Mossad.

Rebekah is NOT anti-semitic. She IS anti-Mossad.

[jaybee]

Gelatin/Gelitin were an Austrian Art Group so I don't see how that could make me anti- Austrian
(stepping in for a moment :) )

It doesn't matter what nationality they were (or said they were, or seemed to be). It may matter


What they were doing
Why they were doing it
Whether they were working for Mossad.

Rebekah is NOT anti-semitic. She IS anti-Mossad.


this is obviously my cue to shut up about it and go to bed :)

goodnight

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