Hating on the NWO...

[Teakai]

It's been my observation that sometimes the assumption is that if you speak about the nwo in a negative way, then you must hate them.

I see the nwo as an idea that needs to be overcome - and that we have a right to overcome it.

And I consider the people who are taking part in it as being extremely misled.

But I don't hate anyone, or even dislike them - and I was wondering about the feelings of others here.

Edited to add - by 'nwo' I mean the 'nwo' that George W bush and Obama are talking about.

[Carmody]

It's the same spread as usual.

I know (one is dead now) two 32nd degree masons, one 14th and another.. I've no idea of his rank.

One was a real serious piece of work (32nd), and the others are good people.

As usual, most people don't look too far past the label on the package or box.

The one who's rank I don't know, was tasked with keeping an eye on me, AFAIK. He is an intelligent and capable man, but I think his fear has overcome his intellect to some degree..and he sees danger, death, and endings...where I see opening, change, and freedom.

One quit the Freemasons in absolute disgust, even though he was a 'lifer'.

What does this have to do with the NWO? I'm not sure. Just one part of the puzzle.

It's a complex web (the NWO and the people 'in it') made up of pre-conceived notions -more than anything else... in my experience.

[ScubaMonkey]

In principle a NWO, one world government etc isn't a bad idea. They way "they" want to get there and their reasons why however is the problem.

[Teakai]

In principle a NWO, one world government etc isn't a bad idea. They way "they" want to get there and their reasons why however is the problem.

Thanks for voting, ScubaMonkey :) You're my first poll participator (apart from me)

I think a one world government might be a good thing - but you'd want everyone in it to be perfectly reasoned and not at all egotistacal and self serving and not hungry for power, but have the very best interests and rights for the people it governs at the forefront - and then what is in the best interests of one is not necessarily for another - and I can't thihk of any human with those attrubutes wanting that sort of job.

When it comes to humans unfortunately power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[bluestflame]

that's a good point , there is a real golden age , but the imitation they are offering( as they are clever imitators of what intuitively we sense is close to what feels more fair) is one where they are in charge and feeding off the efforts of the masses

of course , being businessmen they would want to prune the unproductive branches from the tree

just another elaborate form of feudalism , where we're sold the whole idea of soverignty being divinely appointed

I rekon there is a genuine version of golden age , and the elite know this , they're just trying to install thier trojan horse version before we're awake enough to know what's really going on

[DawgBone]

World government is only a good idea if it is genuinely democratic. The US government is essentially corporate fascism with a democratic facade. To what extent is the UK government genuinely democratic?

If we can't succeed on the scale of individual nations, what chance do we have succeeding on a planetary scale?

I'm not at all sure world government is a good idea.

[bluestflame]

the best people for positions of power are the ones that least desire it

[Teakai]

the best people for positions of power are the ones that least desire it

I absolutely agree, Bluestflame.
Which makes a successfully functioning and fair world government an impossibility.

[ScubaMonkey]

I can't thihk of any human with those attrubutes wanting that sort of job.

I'd do it. I reckon I could run a pretty awesome world ;)

[Arpheus]

I voted I see the nwo order as being the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality.Because that resonates with me.

[Teakai]

I'd do it. I reckon I could run a pretty awesome world ;)

But would you really, really want to, ScubaMonkey? Have you thought seriously about it?

Because that's a whole lot of crazy people managing to do.
Or would you microchip them and fluoridate them to keep them manageable? :)
Or would you leave them to their own devices?

[Erin]

I don't think it necessarily is the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality. If anything, that's one of the symptoms of a larger problem.

I think it has to do with power-hungry sociopaths doing anything to get to the top, no matter who gets caught in the crossfire. These types of people can't really be reasoned with or become spiritual because they (biologically) don't have the capacity for empathy.

[ScubaMonkey]

But would you really, really want to, ScubaMonkey? Have you thought seriously about it?

Because that's a whole lot of crazy people managing to do.
Or would you microchip them and fluoridate them to keep them manageable? :)
Or would you leave them to their own devices?

Lol, I have thought seriously about it and I cant honestly say I would want to do it. I'd give it a shot though if given the chance.

The question about how I'd manage it is a good one. I've asked myself the same thing when trying to understand why the NWO does what it does. Would I take similar sort of action as TPTB are taking all in the name as what I see as the greater good? I mean, one of the scary things we've all read is the plan to have a world population of half a billion. That means an awful lot of people dying, which is not acceptable. Then I think about how there is ultimately a limit to how many people a planet can support. How the hell would I solve that problem!

Although I hate to say it, I can't honestly say wouldn't end up doing some of the things TPTB are doing or have planned. That right there is probably a good argument for why I shouldn't get the job.

...But I promise, I'd be a good, kind and loving dictator, not like them other despots! ;)

[Teakai]

I don't think it necessarily is the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality. If anything, that's one of the symptoms of a larger problem.

I think it has to do with power-hungry sociopaths doing anything to get to the top, no matter who gets caught in the crossfire. These types of people can't really be reasoned with or become spiritual because they (biologically) don't have the capacity for empathy.

I agree partly with what you're saying, Cosmiclagoon - but we, as a society have allowed it to happen. Whether it be through distraction, or apathy, or ignorance. We have become a selfish self centred society which cares only for it's immediate well being above all, and within that it's own particular personal interests.
True, this has been brought about by the nwo manipulating us. Manipulating us with things like television and fluorodating the water and an education system which indoctrinates it's pupils to obey the system.

They took away the truth and replaced it with a lie - but we let them do it. Slowly and inevitably we slipped from living as soul to living as ego. And that's how they ultimately control us - through ego and it's fears. And it's our choice to allow it - or not.

[Teakai]

Lol, I have thought seriously about it and I cant honestly say I would want to do it. I'd give it a shot though if given the chance.

The question about how I'd manage it is a good one. I've asked myself the same thing when trying to understand why the NWO does what it does. Would I take similar sort of action as TPTB are taking all in the name as what I see as the greater good? I mean, one of the scary things we've all read is the plan to have a world population of half a billion. That means an awful lot of people dying, which is not acceptable. Then I think about how there is ultimately a limit to how many people a planet can support. How the hell would I solve that problem!

Although I hate to say it, I can't honestly say wouldn't end up doing some of the things TPTB are doing or have planned. That right there is probably a good argument for why I shouldn't get the job.

...But I promise, I'd be a good, kind and loving dictator, not like them other despots! ;)

:lol: Ah, OK ScubaMonkey, seeing as your promised. I'll vote for you.
How much will you be asking as salary? :)

I know what you mean - I'd started a list of stuff to ask you what you'd do about it - but I srcapped it because I was starting to understand the 'nwo'.

Of course, their bottom line is greed and control, and they have secret societies and are paedophiles and are pretty much a total mess - but still, it would suck to try and manage the world.
Which is why I wouldnt want to.

[norman]

I voted for "other".

I almost voted for 'hate' because it looked like the biggest condemnation I could give but it's not hate. It's fear. They push my fear button. I think I can put all my mental difficulties down to those bloodliners and their deceptions that have cognitively decapitated the human mind so severely that it's a miracle if anyone can reach maturity in a healthy balanced and properly informed way.

The general idea of getting to a stage where all people on earth can get it together as one sane expression of living functionality and love is very attractive but we can only get there from here if we invert the mind set that, for example, my brother has, that the world is and always has been a viscous jungle and that it's only been for a very short time recently that we've had the luxury of thinking it was anything else. The ruling class of the world seem to firmly believe that too which gives cause to their ideas about how to run things.

We can't replace those ruling class decision makers with anything better until we can move to a different mind set that's based on a completely different interpersonal dynamic. Money, barter, trade all lead to separation and distrust. That all leads to precautionary behaviour and structures and so the rot sets in. It's NOT money that's " the root of all evil", it's trade or barter ( which money replaced ) that reveals the error in our attempt to fulfill outwardly and societally what we feel in our hearts for our near and dear ones. If you can still form a tribe you can still turn the world back into a jungle. ( actually I'd quite like more jungle, but that's a different matter )

No, these NWO people are fully committed to the idea that humans are selfish beasts who are only worth the candle if they can be exploited. If we got rid of them tomorrow and didn't do anything about the way they have formed us over many generations, there would be a bunch of crooks back in charge within a week.

When we come into this world we are lied to immediately and the discovery of that lie breaks our little hearts very early in life. WHY!?... do we tell almost every little westerner child that an old guy with a red coat and a white beard comes down the chimney at Christmas and leaves them presents. That's a diabolical lie and totally damages the child's trust from that point on.

The NWO people are doing exactly the same thing to all of us now. When are we going grow up and realise that there is no such thing as Father Christmas and we are not going to continue this horrible damaging practice with the next generations. It may be too late for our generation to recover fully from the damage we've had done to us but we should try very hard to get it out of the biological and emotional inheritance we pass on to our descendants.

Yes the NWO is a bad bunch of crooks and yes they have to be rooted out of our lives for ever, but, we then have to do a hell of a lot of hard work shifting away from where they have put us as people or we will immediately replace them with something just as bad.

[Teakai]

Norman, that is such synchronicity - I was only just thinking about my sister and how she has fallen into the trap of believing the world has always been and will always be as she has known it.

I agree that it's going to take one heck of a massive mindshift to change the mass hypnosis of society. I wonder if it will be step by step, this happens, and a few wake up, but not enough, so another thing happens,and a few more wake up, but not enough, so the next step happens until we finally get it in a big enough percentage to actually make a difference - or we go under.

I do wonder if they are an essential part of our spiritual awakening (although I answered C because I'm pretty certain of that)
I think in this physical dimension there will always be the negative and the positive forces, because without them there would be no challenge, no growth or learning.
So, yes, unless we are ever alert and in touch with truth the next greedy bunch of sods with control freak tendencies will try and pull the wool over our eyes for their own selfish ego driven ends.

I was thinking about the money thing, too. Money is pretty much a form that people have agree to a value on in replacemnet of barter. I think the problem arises with inflation and interest. If it maintained it's agreed value from the get go - then we wouldn't have this problem. Only greed has become the bottom line that drives our society. So, I agree with the saying that it's the love of money that is the root of all evil.

And I agree very much with the lies we tell our children. We perpetuate our brainwashing - and yet within all of us is the voice of reason and truth - if we would only listen to it and use it.

Yep, it's a biggy, alright.

[Erin]

I agree partly with what you're saying, Cosmiclagoon - but we, as a society have allowed it to happen. Whether it be through distraction, or apathy, or ignorance. We have become a selfish self centred society which cares only for it's immediate well being above all, and within that it's own particular personal interests.
True, this has been brought about by the nwo manipulating us. Manipulating us with things like television and fluorodating the water and an education system which indoctrinates it's pupils to obey the system.

They took away the truth and replaced it with a lie - but we let them do it. Slowly and inevitably we slipped from living as soul to living as ego. And that's how they ultimately control us - through ego and it's fears. And it's our choice to allow it - or not.

This is true. I suppose the two things work in tandem with each other - a vicious cycle, of sorts. Hopefully it's coming to an end, though. :)

[Teakai]

This is true. I suppose the two things work in tandem with each other - a vicious cycle, of sorts. Hopefully it's coming to an end, though. :)

I hope so too, Cosmiclagoon. Now that I see it for what it really is I can see the rot that is at the root of our society and I don't want it.

Even if the organised version of the nwo fails - I think society as a whole has to take a giant shift in a completely different direction.

And I don't think we're going to do that without some major stimuli.

[Etherios]

Well let me ask you one question... Is the society out of touch or they manipulated the society to become out of touch?

Let me remind you ... They messed up/control the schools - They messed up/control the media - etc

You really think that the society we have atm is a normal process? I am 100% sure that the current human society is a twisted and wierd contraption to make loose your spirituality. I stopped believing in coincidence some years ago :-P

[Teakai]

Well let me ask you one question... Is the society out of touch or they manipulated the society to become out of touch?

Let me remind you ... They messed up/control the schools - They messed up/control the media - etc

You really think that the society we have atm is a normal process? I am 100% sure that the current human society is a twisted and wierd contraption to make loose your spirituality. I stopped believing in coincidence some years ago :-P

Both.

I agree with what you're saying, Etherios. Despite the manipulation - you are aware that we're out of touch.
Why isn't everyone capable of that awareness if they make the choice to become aware?

[Etherios]

Why? i really think its the fear of being an outcast... primitive social behavior??? Also its easier to just ignore it than working to achieve this is a "hostile" enviroment ...


I am not an expert but this is what makes me mad... the concept of mass. I have heard it in my family and near families " If everyone is saying/doing it its real/corect " or " I dont care what happens IF it happens to all " ... i am so irritated by this cattle thinking :-(

[Teakai]

Why? i really think its the fear of being an outcast... primitive social behavior??? Also its easier to just ignore it than working to achieve this is a "hostile" enviroment ...


I am not an expert but this is what makes me mad... the concept of mass. I have heard it in my family and near families " If everyone is saying/doing it its real/corect " or " I dont care what happens IF it happens to all " ... i am so irritated by this cattle thinking :-(

I agree, again, Etherios.
But it's their choice. Nobody is forcing them, they are submitting. Giving up their own particular truths in sacrifice to not being singled out and pointed at.
Living from the lower/reptillian brain rather than the higher brain.
Yet everyone has a whole brain.

They are controlled through ego - which is a lower brain survival mechanism.

Our mind is our responsibility, we need to take charge of it - or someone will take charge of it for us.

I like the saying: Many tongues speaking the same falsehood does not make it a truth.
:)

[Etherios]

I like the saying: Many tongues speaking the same falsehood does not make it a truth.
:)

I LOVE THIS saying :-P excatly at the point... i mean if you ask them who said this to be truth they will say everyone... if you continue to ask you will NEVER find the person that actually really knows about it... its a rumor that we have NO idea who started and for what reasons.

Say something no matter how stupid ... then add the fact that someone "no able to find aka Everyone says" told it and its done deal. Non verifiable info that is based on you believe it or not ... winner...

Anyway this is too close to my life and gets me pumped up sorry.

[Bill Ryan]

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In my opinion, 'Hate' isn't a useful word to use here.

Always remember: Hate and Fear are closely related.

I oppose the NWO agenda, and intend to turn it around: but I don't hate anyone. To some degree, I feel I understand the NWO thinking: what they are trying to do and why. (It may not be not what you think; but this is a separate conversation.)

Every unethical act is an attempt to solve a perceived problem. That includes robbing an elderly person, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, killing millions of Jews in WWII, or blowing up a planet.

But some 'solutions' are not very wise - and just create the next problem.

The spiritual beings who get into a habit of solving problems in these ways need to be turned around and transformed... not hated.

Because then the fact that people hate them becomes the next problem that they have to solve - and you can bet they might not handle that very wisely either.

[jackovesk]

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In my opinion, 'Hate' isn't a useful word to use here.

Always remember: Hate and Fear are closely related.

I oppose the NWO agenda, and intend to turn it around: but I don't hate anyone. To some degree, I feel I understand the NWO thinking: what they are trying to do and why. (It may not be not what you think; but this is a separate conversation.)

Every unethical act is an attempt to solve a perceived problem. That includes robbing an elderly person, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, killing millions of Jews in WWII, or blowing up a planet.

But some 'solutions' are not very wise - and just create the next problem.

The spiritual beings who get into a habit of solving problems in these ways need to be turned around and transformed... not hated.

Because then the fact that people hate them becomes the next problem that they have to solve - and you can bet they might not handle that very wisely either.

Forgive me Bill, I ticked the "I hate the NWO and it's instigators and their cunning and manipulative ways Box.

Why? Because, I am Sick & Tired of trying to defend my fellow so called human beings, since WWI who think it's OK to slaughter over 10 Million innocent Men, Women & Children to justify their very existence to remain rulers over all of us!

Hate is a Powerful Word I Agree, but I am not into the Peace, New Age Love Crap that gets pushed upon us by the very Elite who have infiltrated the New Age movement every time they want to be percieved as the PeaceMaker!

Enough is Enough!

I stand beside all the Innocent Victims of UNWARRANTED WAR and their friends and relatives who suffer for the rest of their lives without even getting the chance to say Goodbye!

The Poll gave us 5 Options...

1. I hate the nwo and it's instigators and their cunning and manipulative ways.
2. I view the nwo as being a necessary catalyst to my spiritual awakening.
3. I see the nwo order as being the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality.
4. I think the nwo is in general a good idea - the world is full of fools who need controlling.
5. Other.

The one that reasonated to me after all the millions of innocent victims of war was the 1st One, I understand it was loaded with the "Hate" word!

I see the word HATE as KARMA/JUSTICE and oppose those who are capable of inflicting so much Pain on others!

If Humanity won't stand up for INJUSTICE no-one will..!

Unfortunately these days if we accept the NWO and don't stop their Insideous/Psychopathic Agenda we will end up in slaughterhouses just like the jews did in WWII!

[Erin]

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In my opinion, 'Hate' isn't a useful word to use here.

Always remember: Hate and Fear are closely related.

I oppose the NWO agenda, and intend to turn it around: but I don't hate anyone. To some degree, I feel I understand the NWO thinking: what they are trying to do and why. (It may not be not what you think; but this is a separate conversation.)

Every unethical act is an attempt to solve a perceived problem. That includes robbing an elderly person, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, killing millions of Jews in WWII, or blowing up a planet.

But some 'solutions' are not very wise - and just create the next problem.

The spiritual beings who get into a habit of solving problems in these ways need to be turned around and transformed... not hated.

Because then the fact that people hate them becomes the next problem that they have to solve - and you can bet they might not handle that very wisely either.

For me I "hate" the situation that we're in, and the actions that led us here as opposed to the people behind it (though I wouldn't say I "like" those people, lol. I guess I just don't actively "hate" them).

In screenwriting we learn that everyone is the hero of their own story. Following the same logic, I feel that many of the people in the NWO must consider themselves "heroes" of humanity. They are misguided, obviously. And obviously this does not apply to everyone in the NWO (as I said before, many are sociopaths and have no capacity for empathy).

But yes, I agree. I think that "hate" can often hold us back than move us forward - especially if we want to try and help some of these non-sociopathic NWO types become white hats or whatever.

[Carmody]

That is true, IMO and IME. You will receive or gain a limited set of new paths or plateaus if the idea of (and the word) 'hate' exists in your sphere of life. Change is internal not external, in some quite important ways.

I had a discussion with a 'near' Billionaire, a few years back, on what constitutes right behavior. He was a good man, who engaged in the game of the stock markets and all that such thing entail. He assuaged his sense of what is right by using portions of that money to build Buddhist centers.

I said that the inner self must be fixed first so that one can then project correctly into the world.

He said, no, help others first.

Then he ran away before I could get even one more word in. Such is life!

[Zook]

Good morning Carmody, the Earth says hello!


That is true, IMO and IME. You will receive or gain a limited set of new paths or plateaus if the idea of (and the word) 'hate' exists in your sphere of life. Change is internal not external, in some quite important ways.
I had a discussion with a 'near' Billionaire, a few years back, on what constitutes right behavior. He was a good man, who engaged in the game of the stock markets and all that such thing entail. He assuaged his sense of what is right by using portions of that money to build Buddhist centers.
I said that the inner self must be fixed first so that one can then project correctly into the world.
He said, no, help others first.
Then he ran away before I could get even one more word in. Such is life!

Any man playing the game of stocks at or near the gigabucks level can only be a man of dubious integrity, IMHO. A good man, he may appear to you and I ... but good men never arrive on blood trains. And the stock game is a blood train, make no mistake about it. Many innocent passengers (e.g. the adagial minute-birthed suckers) taken for a maglev ride and off-railed (so to speak) so that vultures can drop in and feed on the carcasses. To wit, no one gets that rich via stock ticker without engaging in unscrupulous activities (e.g. currency speculation; junk bonds; insider trading; etc.).

The putative Christian sinner goes to church on Sunday and attends to sins Monday to Saturday. A billionaire sinner? Buddhist temples from blood trains ... is one way to deflect the emptiness within. MHO,OC.

:typing:

ps: The appearance of charity is one the great camouflages of modern times!

[Zook]

Good morning Jackovesk, the Earth says hello!


Forgive me Bill, I ticked the "I hate the NWO and it's instigators and their cunning and manipulative ways Box.

Why? Because, I am Sick & Tired of trying to defend my fellow so called human beings, since WWI who think it's OK to slaughter over 10 Million innocent Men, Women & Children to justify their very existence to remain rulers over all of us!
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Couldn't agree more. There's much truth in what Bill says, don't get me wrong ... but the word hate is often misunderstood in the politically charged discourses of our day.

My view is this. Love/Hate ... Peace/War ... Pleasure/Pain ... these are dyadic relations, with each relation being an isomorphism of the two others. Question begs? Are there just wars? Just pains? If the answer is yes; then, too, there are just hates. Just war? Well, the American Revolution was a just war, the facts would forcefully argue (e.g. the colonials fighting back against the Bank of England to retain the fruits of their blood and sweat). Just pain? The labor pains endured by the about-to-be mother ... who would argue that this isn't justified pain, certainly not the mother (well, with the possible exception of mine)?
:drum:

Justified hate? Intriguing concept isn't it?

IMHO, hate is synonymous with justice (e.g. dharmam) when it is properly oriented. There are many justified reasons to hate the NWO. To hate the psychopaths of TBastardsTB (e.g. the parallel killers who've slaughtered tens of millions in the past half-century alone via unjust wars, engineered vaccines, and manufactured hunger). Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

[Luke]

I do not like concept of hate .. it always creates opposite and equal in force reaction, which is actually a positive outcome for anyone pushing his version of "greater good".

And this is the problem.. "greater good" is soooo big concept that from various perspectives you can fit anything in it.

For example, we see people who made a model of earth resources and population, and concluded that current levels of population are unsustainable, given current technology. In order to protect mankind, there is urgent need to cull down population to sustainable level of about 500 million. "Greater Good" isn't it?

And such thinking, based on idea one have right to control the lives of others, we see in great many other attempts I brand NWO ..
Which include things lie Venus project for example, or any other attempt to forcefully organize behaviour of all beings on this planet (humans are but part of it .. we're talking whole ecosystem!)

There are of course levels of delusion involved, including spiritual delusions.

After all what we experience in material is but a reflections of processes and decisions on much more "etheric"/timeless level .. and I'm sure that the most clever beings involved in "NWO" schemes are pretty aware of that. They know both Rules and Reasons, and chosen accordingly. And so did we.

It all boils down to allowance, actually. The moment we allow ourselves to decide about lives of others, we allow Others to decide about our lives. .. and thus control structures emerge, created by fear of what others will do .. but seldom thought out as the reverse will apply with equal force. Welcome to our mess called the Life :)

(that would be "other" I guess)

[RedeZra]

the NWO or the Globelites represent and worship demonic dark forces


I do not hate these satanists for having succumbed to the lawless one and his vices but I am disgusted with them

I do not hate the humans that just take orders to do their superiors dirty work either but I am disgusted with them


I find no pleasure in soul destruction

[Teakai]

I LOVE THIS saying :-P excatly at the point... i mean if you ask them who said this to be truth they will say everyone... if you continue to ask you will NEVER find the person that actually really knows about it... its a rumor that we have NO idea who started and for what reasons.

Say something no matter how stupid ... then add the fact that someone "no able to find aka Everyone says" told it and its done deal. Non verifiable info that is based on you believe it or not ... winner...

Anyway this is too close to my life and gets me pumped up sorry.

I've pondered that myself more than a few times Etherios. Religious belief particularly really interests me and the way that it can arouse such mindless defence and justification - it's a bit scary actually.

My own personal conclusion is that we are spiritual beings - but being out of touch with our own sense of spirituality some cling - even though it may defy common logic, contradict itself and require unquestioned faith - to that form of spirituality which is offered to them.

I'm also interested in people who have been convinced that their fulfilment can be found in the doctrine of commerce and advertising.

I see it as different sides of the same search for inner fulfilment.

[Teakai]

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In my opinion, 'Hate' isn't a useful word to use here.

Always remember: Hate and Fear are closely related.

I oppose the NWO agenda, and intend to turn it around: but I don't hate anyone. To some degree, I feel I understand the NWO thinking: what they are trying to do and why. (It may not be not what you think; but this is a separate conversation.)

Every unethical act is an attempt to solve a perceived problem. That includes robbing an elderly person, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, killing millions of Jews in WWII, or blowing up a planet.

But some 'solutions' are not very wise - and just create the next problem.

The spiritual beings who get into a habit of solving problems in these ways need to be turned around and transformed... not hated.

Because then the fact that people hate them becomes the next problem that they have to solve - and you can bet they might not handle that very wisely either.



I have to say I disagree, Bill.

The definition of Hate is:

–verb (used with object)
1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
–verb (used without object)
3. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.
–noun
4. intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.
5. the object of extreme aversion or hostility.


One can hate animal cruelty. It's not about fear - it's about compassion.
One can hate child abuse. Again - this is about compassion.
One can hate brussel sprouts - but probably eat them and enjoy it if they were starving.

Hate is merely an emotion - the inspiration for that emotion and how one acts on that emotion is an entirely different matter.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Hatred is an emotion, and it's natural, but it's not very helpful. Hatred adds nothing to the resolution of problems, and potentially clouds judgement and otherwise exacerbates problems. Where hatred exists as an aversion to something, it can be useful, but hatred consumes the way fear consumes, and what's worse it can confirm a would-be enemy in his position; compassion, or, if that cannot be managed, a calm pity, are much more disconcerting to one who wants nothing more than your animosity, and that moment of disconcersion could be just enough to turn an agent of the agenda into a whistle-blowing ally.

Seki

[Zook]

Good morning Seikou-Kishi, the Earth says hello!


Hatred is an emotion, and it's natural, but it's not very helpful. Hatred adds nothing to the resolution of problems, and potentially clouds judgement and otherwise exacerbates problems.


On the contrary. Hatred is a venom, a natural toxin that preserves the self and paralyzes the nonself. While this toxin can be problematic when used indiscriminately, it is nonetheless a tool that can and should be used against a genuine enemy. Mother Nature would not have endowed us with this particular biochemistry if there wasn't a need for it. Our minds are spiritual; but our bodies are of the third-density. As long as we live in this third density, we must abide the needs of our body. We eat because starvation is the alternative. But do we hate because love is the alternative? Indifference is the alternative? No ... that's absurd. We hate because our body needs to balance its natural chemicals (e.g. endorphins, adrenaline, dopamine, acetylcholine, gamma aminobutyric acid, etc.). For example, when we hear a story in the papers, say, about a serial killer, will you agree that we become upset if we're normal human beings? Sure you will. Our body chemicals go into imbalance. The normal brain does not transcribe this imbalance as love; as compassion; as pity ... it may transcribe as fear and/or anxiety ... but it certainly transcribes as disgust and/or hatred.

Question begs ... is it spiritual lacking when we submit to disgust and/or hatred? Or is it merely body chemistry going into temporary imbalance?

Let me put it simpler ... would we still hate Henry Kissinger if he fell on his knees and begged for forgiveness ... or do we only hate him because he is a psychopath FUBAR, e.g. a rabid wolf that needs to be defanged?



Where hatred exists as an aversion to something, it can be useful, but hatred consumes the way fear consumes, and what's worse it can confirm a would-be enemy in his position; compassion, or, if that cannot be managed, a calm pity, are much more disconcerting to one who wants nothing more than your animosity, and that moment of disconcersion could be just enough to turn an agent of the agenda into a whistle-blowing ally.
Seki

Disconcert (e.g. conscience by any other name) does not appear to exist in sociopaths and psychopaths; and if it does exist, certainly not in any meaningful quantity. Indeed, people susceptible to disconcert don't rise in the existing design of human organization (e.g. the pyramid); they are usually pushed towards the base. So I think this expectation of compassion (or calm pity) - which is a good mental approach in human relations bookended by conscience - is folly when attempted in relations where there is only the one bookend. At best, its naivete.

Hatred may consume as fear consumes ... but then, love consumes as fear consumes. So what exactly are we saying??

:typing:

ps: We eat because we have to. We love because we have to. We hate because we have to. I really don't think it's a matter of eating, loving and hating on a whim. Whimsical endeavors are luxuries that few are privileged to have. Humble opinions all around (and some asquare).

[RedeZra]

Let me put it simpler ... would we still hate Henry Kissinger if he fell on his knees and begged for forgiveness ... or do we only hate him because he is a psychopath FUBAR, e.g. a rabid wolf that needs to be defanged?


he demands forgiveness once a year at Yom Kippur ; )

[Teakai]

Hatred is an emotion, and it's natural, but it's not very helpful. Hatred adds nothing to the resolution of problems, and potentially clouds judgement and otherwise exacerbates problems. Where hatred exists as an aversion to something, it can be useful, but hatred consumes the way fear consumes, and what's worse it can confirm a would-be enemy in his position; compassion, or, if that cannot be managed, a calm pity, are much more disconcerting to one who wants nothing more than your animosity, and that moment of disconcersion could be just enough to turn an agent of the agenda into a whistle-blowing ally.

Seki

I guess that would depend on how one used the energy of that emotion, Seikou. Sure, some could passionately dislike or detest (=hate) something to the extent that it affected their judgment and they ate themselves away inside or caused much pain to others by dwelling on it.

Our brain is a tool. We can use it. Or we can allow it to use us. I think that's where the difference lies.

If we did not passionately dislike or detest (=hate) say, slavery, or abuses, or any other injustice - then what would inspire us to act in order to remedy such things should the opportunity to do so confront us?

[Orion.V]

Well i could not choose from any of the offered answers so i selected - other.
I can't say i hate the NWO but i certainly dislike it for what they do. HATE is when you are sending negative energy and thoughts to someone or something and you do it constantly that even sometimes leads to obsession with it.
I do not like what they do and how they organize things but from another side it helped many people to hit the brake and start questioning their real intentions and actions, it helps awake people.
The more they do it , the more people awake.

Question is , what is their perception of what they do ? Not everyone shares the same concept and perception of the negative , the evil or the hate.
And this is not only related to the NWO , people inside the government of my country are not part of any NWO but still they tend to do the same things as them, they operate on similar level at the cost and expense of others that do not fit into their world. And yet many times they think they do the right thing. For what ? The greater good ???

Hate and anger can temporarily give people the illusion of power and fighting back but at the end they realize that it comes with a price.
I believe in a positive change. I believe even the worst demon has the capacity to open the heart and find the sense of compassion. I believe in a change through love and compassion, because in my own experience that was the strongest weapon ever above all else.

[Zook]

Good morning Orion.V, the Earth says hello!



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Hate and anger can temporarily give people the illusion of power and fighting back but at the end they realize that it comes with a price.
I believe in a positive change. I believe even the worst demon has the capacity to open the heart and find the sense of compassion. I believe in a change through love and compassion, because in my own experience that was the strongest weapon ever above all else.

The worst demon must first show signs of rehabilitation, e.g. the capacity to be moved by our compassion. I've seen nothing to suggest that these worst demons are capable of ceasing their demonic ways, or of internalizing our offered compassion to a positive end. Justice (e.g. dharmam) also mandates the balance of crime with punishment. It is not for you or I (of third density) to decide that those many many millions of souls that'd been slaughtered by these demons (e.g. cut from this density) ... that they should be denied justice. IMHO, justice exists in all densities. And third-density justice exists in the third density. It is very much for you and I (of third density) to observe third-density justice in the third density. To turn away from this abiding cosmic principle (e.g. of the three building principles of truth, fairness, and justice) ... is to leave things without balance.

To wit, the first act of the worst demon (e.g that can positively show the rest of us that the demon has turned the worm on evil deeds and is ready to receive - in a meaningful manner - our boundless compassion) ... is that it must submit to justice. In short, teh worst demon must throw itself on the mercies of the very people it has demon-acted against, without condition. Short of that, it does not deserve third-density compassion. Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

ps: You'll be surprised at how ready most people are to forgive (not forget) if the guilty party admits their guilt ... equally surprised at how quickly the mob can turn to heads on spikes if denied this admission. The calm ocean and the turbulent seas ... for better or worse, these are the voyages in the third density.

[Orion.V]

Yes that is right, however that was not my point.
By worst demons here i mean people. And in my life I've been a witness for some who were consumed by all these negative "forces" so to speak, people who would just go too far in attempt to destroy someone's life but amazingly they changed. They found the capacity to change, show compassion and went through their own process of rehabilitation and yet up to this day they are so ashamed and punishing themselves for what they did.

Inspired by a true story of life ....

[Teakai]

Well i could not choose from any of the offered answers so i selected - other.
I can't say i hate the NWO but i certainly dislike it for what they do. HATE is when you are sending negative energy and thoughts to someone or something and you do it constantly that even sometimes leads to obsession with it.I do not like what they do and how they organize things but from another side it helped many people to hit the brake and start questioning their real intentions and actions, it helps awake people.
The more they do it , the more people awake.

Question is , what is their perception of what they do ? Not everyone shares the same concept and perception of the negative , the evil or the hate.
And this is not only related to the NWO , people inside the government of my country are not part of any NWO but still they tend to do the same things as them, they operate on similar level at the cost and expense of others that do not fit into their world. And yet many times they think they do the right thing. For what ? The greater good ???

Hate and anger can temporarily give people the illusion of power and fighting back but at the end they realize that it comes with a price.
I believe in a positive change. I believe even the worst demon has the capacity to open the heart and find the sense of compassion. I believe in a change through love and compassion, because in my own experience that was the strongest weapon ever above all else.

Hi Orion.
I only went by the dictionary definition of the word hate – but lots of people give it their own personal twist about how the energy of the word plays out.

I guess I should have put ‘don’t like the nwo’. People might have been more comfortable with it.

[norman]

Hi Orion.
I only went by the dictionary definition of the word hate – but lots of people give it their own personal twist about how the energy of the word plays out.

I guess I should have put ‘don’t like the nwo’. People might have been more comfortable with it.


Naaa, I'd bet the hate here is more common than is admitted. This is not the sort of place where people will readily admit to hate.

On another thread there's a poll asking "Are you afraid to live"? ( a response to the one that asked 'are you afraid to die? ). The overwhelming majority of the replies claim to be not afraid to 'live'. Well, what else would you expect in this company but it looks to my eyes that there are more wide open exits from life per square meter here on this forum than anywhere else I estimate it. :ohwell:

[Teakai]

Naaa, I'd bet the hate here is more common than is admitted. This is not the sort of place where people will readily admit to hate.

On another thread there's a poll asking "Are you afraid to live"? ( a response to the one that asked 'are you afraid to die? ). The overwhelming majority of the replies claim to be not afraid to 'live'. Well, what else would you expect in this company but it looks to my eyes that there are more wide open exits from life per square meter here on this forum than anywhere else I estimate it. :ohwell:

You know what they say, Norman. De nile, ain't just a river in Egypt.
:lol:

I hate the nwo - I don't carry it around like a napsack and I don't send vicious vibes out into the universe - but I really, really really, passionately don't like them.

Given the choice of the 'ptb' ascribed nwo or having the earth cleansed by world wide natural events.
I'd choose the natural events.

[Anchor]

I had to vote other.


I view the nwo as being a necessary catalyst to my spiritual awakening.

Had the word "necessary" been omitted, I could have voted for this item. They are not necessary, but as it happens at this point, regardless of the reasons, they are - and consequently are catalytic in regards to my own path.

John..

[RedeZra]

Given the choice of the 'ptb' ascribed nwo or having the earth cleansed by world wide natural events.
I'd choose the natural events.

interesting

would it matter if the cleansing cataclysm is man made natural or Divenly ordained ?

[truthseekerdan]

Due to the title name (hating), I refrained to vote on this thread :sorry: -- otherwise would have chose: "I see the nwo order as being the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality."

[Teakai]

interesting

would it matter if the cleansing cataclysm is man made natural or Divenly ordained ?

If it's man made, then it's not natural.

[Teakai]

Due to the title name (hating), I refrained to vote on this thread :sorry: -- otherwise would have chose: "I see the nwo order as being the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality."

Ah, don't worry about it, Dan, you're not the first to have been put off by the word.
I guess hate has a long yard stick by which to be measured by.
:)

[truthseekerdan]

Ah, don't worry about it, Dan, you're not the first to have been put off by the word.
I guess hate has a long yard stick by which to be measured by.
:)

The word is in itself negative -- you don't want that negative energy to come back to you...:nono: :love:

[Teakai]

The word is in itself negative -- you don't want that negative energy to come back to you...:nono: :love:

It's just a word - we imbue it with our own energy.

[truthseekerdan]

It's just a word with a meaning - we imbue it with our own energy.

Just a thought, :love:

[Teakai]

Just a thought, :love:

Yes, but the meaning is 'to greatly or passionatley dislike something' - surely there are things that ought to be greatly and passionately disliked.

And if one does greatly and passionately dislike something - what use is denying it?
It's just lying to oneself to do so.

[truthseekerdan]

Definition of HATE: (http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate)

a. intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
b. extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work>

[Teakai]

Definition of HATE: (http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate)

a. intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
b. extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work>

Hate:
–verb (used with object)
1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
–verb (used without object)
3. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.
–noun
4. intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.
5. the object of extreme aversion or hostility.

I guess people can pick the definition which best suits their particular feelings - and aren't there things that are worthy of being described by use of this word?


Like child paedophile rings for instance - surely one could not feel ambiguos over such a thing.

Hate obviously has a use in our vocabulary - calling it something else doesn't change what it really is.
A rose by any other name...

[truthseekerdan]

Like child paedophile rings for instance - surely one could not feel ambiguos over such a thing

Now, why would you call me that? :rolleyes:

[Teakai]

Now, why would you call me that? :rolleyes:

Do you mean ambiguous?

I didn't call you that at all. I was giving it as an example of something that I think would be worthy of the word hate - in all it's meanings.

Would you disagree?

A-a--a-a-nd,

why on earth would you think I called you ambiguous?

[truthseekerdan]

Do you mean ambiguous?

I didn't call you that at all. I was giving it as an example of something that I think would be worthy of the word hate - in all it's meanings.

Would you disagree?

A-a--a-a-nd,

why on earth would you think I called you ambiguous?

Just trying to be picky and funny at the same time. :p

[Teakai]

Just trying to be picky and funny at the same time. :p

:lol:

Well the little man was smiling - but he was rolling his eyes. His message was...how you say...ambiguous.
:)

[Teakai]

I’ve been having a bit of a think about the word hate and it seems to me that hate isn’t an emotion at all, but an opinion - based on emotive information.
People don’t just hate something without reason – there has to be some sort of emotional provocation.

[The One]

And remember

Everything is okay in the end, if it's not ok, then it's not the end

[truthseekerdan]

And remember

Everything is okay in the end,

but not useful. ;)

[truthseekerdan]

I’ve been having a bit of a think about the word hate and it seems to me that hate isn’t an emotion at all, but an opinion - based on emotive information.
People don’t just hate something without reason – there has to be some sort of emotional provocation.

Me personally like the words dislike or debate vs. hate. I know that 'hate' became a very used word these days, but that's because our minds and attitudes have been affected by the society in which we live... JMHO

[Teakai]

And remember

Everything is okay in the end, if it's not ok, then it's not the end

Oh, absolutely, The One. I do agree.

[Teakai]

Me personally like the words dislike or debate vs. hate. I know that 'hate' became a very used word these days, but that's because our minds and attitudes have been affected by the society in which we live... JMHO

Ah, but see, Dan. You are making it personal. You are taking something and giving it your own twist and saying that's how it is and that it's bad.

Hate and dislike are just different degrees of an opinion.

Love is a whole new subject :)

[truthseekerdan]

Understanding is everything... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8689-Understanding-is-everything...-%29):love:

[Teakai]

Understanding is everything... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8689-Understanding-is-everything...-%29):love:

I agree - like understanding what the words we use really mean ;)