Europe overwhelmed by a flood of migrants

[Isserley]

Croatia started closing its borders with Serbia as migrants fled from overwhelmed police, trekked through fields and tried to steal into Slovenia by train in a desperate march westwards..
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-wdHoBLYrRC5JaxfMhn2z4t2P863BTXlaY_iDX8vX6h46Q8oB1Q
8,000 migrants had trudged across its border from Serbia in one day, driven from trying to enter through Hungary by a metal fence, tear gas and water cannons
Media is overwhelmed with desperate scenes at a railway station on Croatia’s eastern frontier, where thousands were left stranded overnight under open skies.
Our president Kolinda said that we may have to use the army to stop thousands of migrants criss-crossing the Western Balkans in their quest for sanctuary in the wealthy 28-nation bloc. It shuttled some to reception centers near Zagreb, but many simply slipped the net of overwhelmed authorities and set off for the Slovenian border, just 30 kilometers (19 miles) from the Croatian capital Zagreb.
There, Slovenian police halted a train carrying some 150 migrants at Dobova train station on Slovenia’s side of the border and said they would be sent back. A Reuters TV crew said some tried to leave the train but were stopped by police. Some refused water in protest..
Hungary’s crackdown has shifted pressure onto Croatia, Slovenia and Romania.
At the eastern border town of Tovarnik, scuffles broke out as Croatian police tried to get women and children to board the buses bound for reception centers near Zagreb. Women screamed and children cried in desperate scenes.
An Iraqi from Baghdad who gave his name as Riad said he had been separated from his wife and child. "Only women and children are now allowed onto buses. My wife and child are gone and they (police) do not allow me to join them. My phone does not work."
Groups of migrants broke away from the police and set off on foot down railway lines and through fields.
"They want to take us to the camps, but we don't want that," said one man as he set off, without giving his name.

Police also took up position in a suburb of the capital Zagreb around a hotel housing hundreds of migrants, some of them on balconies shouting "Freedom! Freedom!". Others threw rolls of toilet paper from the balconies and windows.
"Croatia will not be able to receive more people," Interior Minister Ranko Ostojic told reporters in Tovarnik while suggesting the country would not simply let migrants head north to Slovenia, which is part of the EU's Schengen zone of border-free travel.
Police in Hungary, which is also in Schengen, said about 500 migrants had been detained after crossing into the south of the country from Croatia. There is no fence on that part of the border at the moment but Budapest plans to build one..
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/17/us-europe-migrants-idUSKCN0RD0P420150917

What I find interesting is that these people are not primarily refugees but migrants who are aiming exclusively western Europe countries and they have no intention to remain in Croatia, Serbia, Slowenia,.. although these countries are not affected by the war in any sense and they could certainly find refuge here.
One more interesting fact is that the migrants are in better financial status then most Croats. They all have expensive clothes, glasses, smartphones, use taxi for transportation to the Slovenian border (as in Croatia, one of the most expensive ways of transport).
Croatia was a war-affected country before some 20 years and I remember refugees going to the first safe country not having thousands of euros in pockets and looking at an expensive smartphones where the highest welfare is. Or am I wrong?
I agree that people should help each other always and everywhere, and I will help them myself if I can, but this smells like a great fraud in the background. I'm watching with great interest further development of events.

[Alex.fi]

Thanks for the post Isserley, very current topic :)

These migrants are now coming to Finland too, it is almost the most Northern place you can go in Europe. Main flow are crossing the Swedish border in the North of the country, so they must have traveled thru many other safe countries before getting here. There are hardly any women or children, they are left at the crisis zones, these people coming are mostly all young men. At this time the flow of migrants are now 100x compared to last year which is a huge increase.

We try to help these people best we can with our resources. Some of them are demanding better service. Even though I too try to be open minded, I have the same bad feeling of fraud in the back of my head. Let's see how this play goes thumbs up!

[michaelv]

Can You See There Is An Agenda Here?Why Are They All Crossing The Borders To Europe..I Wonder??

[sunpaw]

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[aniN]

What I find interesting is that these people are not primarily refugees but migrants who are aiming exclusively western Europe countries and they have no intention to remain in Croatia, Serbia, Slowenia,.. although these countries are not affected by the war in any sense and they could certainly find refuge here.
One more interesting fact is that the migrants are in better financial status then most Croats. They all have expensive clothes, glasses, smartphones, use taxi for transportation to the Slovenian border (as in Croatia, one of the most expensive ways of transport).
Croatia was a war-affected country before some 20 years and I remember refugees going to the first safe country not having thousands of euros in pockets and looking at an expensive smartphones where the highest welfare is. Or am I wrong?
I agree that people should help each other always and everywhere, and I will help them myself if I can, but this smells like a great fraud in the background. I'm watching with great interest further development of events.

A lot of people that are watching this situation would agree with you. All the news are full of this topic, from the beginning.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/212115/migrant_crisis_the_footage_the_media_refuses_to_broadcast/?utm_content=buffer9971a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[Maria Stade]

I must say Al Jazeera is reporting what is hapening with this flow of people the best.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGHKb8i9vTwuVjYUtE8v0-dbQhItM4TV

They dont whant to stay in Denmark.
This was spread on FB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAFYlynkJOA

All agreements on how imigrants or refugees are suposed to be taken care of is not followed and the system dose not work.
The system has failed. No one knows how many people that has come in and from where and why.

[Cidersomerset]

There are many articles posted daily on the headline
page on this and the relatated geo political picture...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

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Just ONE IN FIVE migrants claiming asylum are from Syria, EU figures show

By David Icke on 19th September 2015 War and Terror

http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/New-figures-reveal-that-just-a-fifth-of-migrants-claiming-asylum-in-Europe-are-from-Syria-606367.jpg

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/page/express_logo.png

‘Just a fifth of migrants registering for asylum in Europe are from Syria,
shocking EU statistics have revealed.Campaigners and left-wing MPs
have previously blasted the government for doing little to help refugees
who they insisted were mainly coming from Syria.

But out of the astonishing 213,000 arrivals the EU logged between April
and June, only 44,000 were fleeing the war-torn state.

Sceptics criticised campaigners over the revelation, accusing them of selling
a lie about the number of people trying to escape the conflict.’

Read more: Just ONE IN FIVE migrants claiming asylum are from Syria, EU figures show

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/606367/Immigration-European-Union-Syria-Sir-Bill-Cash-Eurostat-David-Cameron-Yvette-Cooper

[Shannon]

I must say Al Jazeera is reporting what is hapening with this flow of people the best.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGHKb8i9vTwuVjYUtE8v0-dbQhItM4TV

They dont whant to stay in Denmark.
This was spread on FB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAFYlynkJOA

All agreements on how imigrants or refugees are suposed to be taken care of is not followed and the system dose not work.
The system has failed. No one knows how many people that has come in and from where and why.

Do you think the system has failed because it was flooded ? I'm just wondering how anyone would have expected this many people. That's what gives me the feeling of something not being right. No matter how bad I feel for these people.


*this is coming from a very far view (geographically as well as informed), of the refugees from Syria over the years being in turkey and just this year the mainstream media reporting the high numbers and deaths of the migrants.

[aniN]

Some news from Austria
source: ( sorry just in Slovenian language ) http://www.zurnal24.si/v-sotoriscu-v-avstriji-begunec-z-gobavostjo-clanek-256877
The doctors found one case of leprosy disease ...

Of all the reasons why is this happening ... there you go, one more reason to vaccinate millions?

September is here and things are developing with rapid speed ( by rapid, I mean from hour to hour ).

[Selkie]

I must say Al Jazeera is reporting what is hapening with this flow of people the best.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGHKb8i9vTwuVjYUtE8v0-dbQhItM4TV

They dont whant to stay in Denmark.
This was spread on FB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAFYlynkJOA

All agreements on how imigrants or refugees are suposed to be taken care of is not followed and the system dose not work.
The system has failed. No one knows how many people that has come in and from where and why.

Do you think the system has failed because it was flooded ? I'm just wondering how anyone would have expected this many people. That's what gives me the feeling of something not being right. No matter how bad I feel for these people.


*this is coming from a very far view (geographically as well as informed), of the refugees from Syria over the years being in turkey and just this year the mainstream media reporting the high numbers and deaths of the migrants.

Absolutely. I feel for them, too. But something about the whole situation stinks to high heaven.

[Maria Stade]

:doh: just lost all text I had written. Ill try again later.

[aniN]

where are they going to go from Hungary? Germany closed their border, Austria closed their border... Till Wednesday came in Croatia 21 000 refugees?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wJiBKCieA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L73PnzPO9Xo

[Maria Stade]

I feel sorry for all people that have to leave their homes.
I have a bad feeling about the free flow of people in to Europe because all will not be imigrants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGpIwmI_xJI

[Maria Stade]

Also this is a imam in jerusalme do not got many facts right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ7u3sbqY9U

[mark008]

Just a few words about this so called "refugees" crisis in Europe. Isn't it strange that the only destination for most refugees is Germany, even though they don't know how to get there or what's waiting them there? I'm from Croatia and I'm unemployed, but I still wasn't able to get a job in Germany because they restricted employment for Croatian workers two years ago, when our country became member of European Union. Explanation was that they didn't need more workers. Now all of a sudden they need more workers but not workers from Croatia. Most of the refugees said they will find a job, actually job is already waiting for them. They know they will have a better life in Germany. How can they be so sure? Strange thing is that they don't even know the way to Germany or where they are, and are constantly in a hurry to get there. They stopped and asked our local people "Where are we, how can we get to Germany, we don't want to stay here". Why didn't they come to EU sooner, where were they all this years, the war in Syria started three years ago and in Middle East even sooner. They have a lot of money, and if you live in country that is in war you simply can't have a lot of money, because you barely have money for your essential needs. I think most of them have or are on a mission to do something... Real refugees are in minority, but most of them are just sheeple, who follow someone. I'm afraid that those real refugees will end up in some kind of camps. We can expect some major events concerning this crisis, because all of this was planned before.


P.S. I wonder what's really happening behind the scene while we are being distracted by this crisis

P.P.S. I'm glad that there are people who can think with their own head and are guided by their heart :)

[Maria Stade]

Maxy999 you are right. There are no jobs in Europe, not in Finland or in Sweden or in Germany. This is all crazy.
Young people have a hard time to find a real job and there is to little apartments to buy or rent so young people cant move from their parents.

Here is a clue.
I have been surching for those youtube clips where Angela Merkel invited syrians, NOW they are gone but I found this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_8kc19DL70

This is realy bad because these people will not have a great future in this part of the world, they will be safe but they talk about educations and jobs .. eh what jobs ?? A future for their children.

I wonder if they are trying to empty syria to go in and take out ISIS ?
Maybe some other agenda.. this is all just crazy. Dristraktion.. maybe from what ... russians ?

[mark008]

Yes Maria, I agree, and the video was very good. All of this is just too crazy, like the TPTW doesn't know what they are doing anymore, or are doing it so transparently that its becoming ridiculous. I just hope that all of this will end well, even though my intuition is telling me otherwise.

Mark

[Isserley]

:bump:
What do you know… four out of five of these immigrants are not from Syria. They are coming from places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and north Africa. You will see them coming out of virtually every Middle Eastern country and surging into Europe. Why? Well, it’s not so much to escape the Syrian conflict, although there is some of that. And it is certainly not the masses all at once deciding for economic reasons to descend on Europe.
They all have few things in common - they are all mostly young, male and Muslims. This could be concerted invasion?
From the Daily Mail:

Only one in every five migrants claiming asylum in Europe is from Syria.

The EU logged 213,000 arrivals in April, May and June but only 44,000 of them were fleeing the Syrian civil war.

Campaigners and left-wing MPs have suggested the vast majority of migrants are from the war-torn state, accusing the Government of doing too little to help them.

‘This exposes the lie peddled in some quarters that vast numbers of those reaching Europe are from Syria,’ said David Davies, Tory MP for Monmouth. ‘Most people who are escaping the war will go to camps in Lebanon or Jordan.

‘Many of those who have opted to risk their lives to come to Europe have done so for economic reasons.’

Sir Bill Cash, a fellow Tory, said: ‘These figures make extremely disturbing reading. The whole argument has been made that this influx is all real refugees from Syria whereas this adds to the substantial evidence that there are a large number of economic migrants who are aiming for a better life.’

The figures from Eurostat, the EU’s official statistical agency, show that migration from April to June was running at double the level of the same period in 2014.

The number of Afghans lodging asylum claims is up four-fold, from 6,300 to 27,000. Another 17,700 claims were made by Albanians, whose country is at peace.

A further 13,900 applicants came from Iraq which, like Syria, is being torn apart by the Islamic State terror group.

Half a million migrants have arrived in Europe so far this year, with 156,000 coming in August alone. Rather than claiming asylum in the first safe EU country they reach, most head on toward wealthy northern states. The human cost of the crisis has been paid by the estimated 3,000 migrants who have drowned after putting their lives in the hands of people smugglers for the perilous crossing of the Mediterranean.

Risks being taken by many families were highlighted by the deaths of three-year-old Aylan Kurdi and his brother Galip, five, whose bodies were washed up on the tourist beach of Bodrum in Turkey earlier this month.

More than 250,000 migrants have reached Greece and Italy, where the authorities are close to breaking point.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel fuelled the chaos last month by declaring that any Syrian who reached the country could claim asylum.

When the numbers became uncontrollable Berlin shut its borders, throwing Austria, Hungary and other EU countries into turmoil.

Croatia has received 14,000 migrants in the past two days and was last night moving some to the Hungarian border.

Hungary is laying razor wire on the border having done the same on its border with Serbia.

Croatia has closed seven of eight road crossings to Serbia and ordered its border guards to redirect migrants to Hungary and Slovenia. The Hungarian government described this as ‘totally unacceptable’.

Violence broke out yesterday between Syrian and Afghan migrants fighting to board trains across Croatia.

And Slovenian riot police last night stood in the path of 200 migrants trying to enter from Croatia. Slovenian ministers say they will accept asylum seekers but send back anyone deemed to be an illegal immigrant.

Britain, which received 7,470 asylum applications between April and June, has come under fire for failing to join an EU scheme to spread 160,000 migrants between the 28 member states.

David Cameron has announced the UK will shelter 20,000 vulnerable Syrians from camps in Lebanon and Jordan. But he rejected calls to take migrants already in Europe, saying this would encourage more to make the dangerous journey.

Yvette Cooper, who chairs Labour’s refugee taskforce, said: ‘Britain’s approach of only planning to take refugees from the camps in Syria isn’t working.

‘It ignores the crisis also happening in Europe itself and means Britain has no leverage to get other countries to sign up to help.’

But a Home Office spokesman said: ‘Claiming asylum must not be viewed as an easy means of settlement by those who are not actually refugees.

‘We need systems which keep out unfounded claims so we can all respond more quickly and effectively to those genuinely in need of refuge.

‘That is why the UK is focused on resettling genuine Syrian refugees directly from the region. This will ensure we are taking in the most vulnerable people and deter people from attempting the perilously journeys which have already led to so many tragic deaths.’

Europe has gone mad. They are committing suicide on a monumental scale here. The leaders there have made a fatal – and I do mean fatal – mistake by allowing these hordes in this way. They play on sympathies with hidden intentions .
It is now being estimated that 30 to 35 million will descend on Europe. They can’t handle those numbers and are collapsing economically and culturally.

[bogeyman]

I hope we all realise that some of these so call migrants, could be criminals exploited the situation, terrorists who by there own admission are penetrating the exodus of migrants to plan attacks across Europe, economic migrants, and some genuine refugees.

This will of course provide ammunition to right wing elements, especially when European countries provide housing, clothes, food, jobs, and money to these people. You wait until the resources start running out and those that are born in these European cannot get the same as the migrants and then you will have resentment, then a violent reaction, and when some terrorist attacks start to occur we will see where the finger points.

[Shannon]

Maxy999 you are right. There are no jobs in Europe, not in Finland or in Sweden or in Germany. This is all crazy.
Young people have a hard time to find a real job and there is to little apartments to buy or rent so young people cant move from their parents.

Here is a clue.
I have been surching for those youtube clips where Angela Merkel invited syrians, NOW they are gone but I found this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_8kc19DL70

This is realy bad because these people will not have a great future in this part of the world, they will be safe but they talk about educations and jobs .. eh what jobs ?? A future for their children.

I wonder if they are trying to empty syria to go in and take out ISIS ?
Maybe some other agenda.. this is all just crazy. Dristraktion.. maybe from what ... russians ?

Damn that video really made me nervous for all you guys in Europe. Stay strong peeps.

[Shannon]

I hope we all realise that some of these so call migrants, could be criminals exploited the situation, terrorists who by there own admission are penetrating the exodus of migrants to plan attacks across Europe, economic migrants, and some genuine refugees.

This will of course provide ammunition to right wing elements, especially when European countries provide housing, clothes, food, jobs, and money to these people. You wait until the resources start running out and those that are born in these European cannot get the same as the migrants and then you will have resentment, then a violent reaction, and when some terrorist attacks start to occur we will see where the finger points.


Obviously you are just scared of Islam. Go to church and look at a painting. Merkle says that's all that's needed....


^*sarcasm* sigh*
Oy vey...what a mess.

[bogeyman]

I hope we all realise that some of these so call migrants, could be criminals exploited the situation, terrorists who by there own admission are penetrating the exodus of migrants to plan attacks across Europe, economic migrants, and some genuine refugees.

This will of course provide ammunition to right wing elements, especially when European countries provide housing, clothes, food, jobs, and money to these people. You wait until the resources start running out and those that are born in these European cannot get the same as the migrants and then you will have resentment, then a violent reaction, and when some terrorist attacks start to occur we will see where the finger points.


Obviously you are just scared of Islam. Go to church and look at a painting. Merkle says that's all that's needed....


^*sarcasm* sigh*
Oy vey...what a mess.

No I am fully versed on Islamic beliefs and the Koran, there are those that have a warped view of Islam, that's where the problem lies. I have worked officially in areas related to international terrorism you have the luxury of not having the in depth knowledge on the situation, I unfortunately due to my official position do have knowledge of what is happening underneath and the terrorist threat is very real, including criminal elements as well.

[Selkie]

Clearly, someone has it in for Germany and all of Europe. The immigrants are pawns in the game, with terrorists hiding among them, and maybe even making up the bulk of them. The leaders of Europe are not on the side of their own people any more than the leaders of America are on the side of their people. Something horrible has seized control of the leadership positions in just about every country, and now it is making its move in Europe.

[Shannon]

I hope we all realise that some of these so call migrants, could be criminals exploited the situation, terrorists who by there own admission are penetrating the exodus of migrants to plan attacks across Europe, economic migrants, and some genuine refugees.

This will of course provide ammunition to right wing elements, especially when European countries provide housing, clothes, food, jobs, and money to these people. You wait until the resources start running out and those that are born in these European cannot get the same as the migrants and then you will have resentment, then a violent reaction, and when some terrorist attacks start to occur we will see where the finger points.


Obviously you are just scared of Islam. Go to church and look at a painting. Merkle says that's all that's needed....


^*sarcasm* sigh*
Oy vey...what a mess.

No I am fully versed on Islamic beliefs and the Koran, there are those that have a warped view of Islam, that's where the problem lies. I have worked officially in areas related to international terrorism you have the luxury of not having the in depth knowledge on the situation, I unfortunately due to my official position do have knowledge of what is happening underneath and the terrorist threat is very real, including criminal elements as well.

Please know I was kidding!! You're post was dead on. That is why I added the *sarcasm*...apologies if my not very funny kidding wasn't clear. It was in reference to this video of Angela Merle posted by Marie stade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_8kc19DL70

[Shannon]

Clearly, someone has it in for Germany and all of Europe. The immigrants are pawns in the game, with terrorists hiding among them, and maybe even making up the bulk of them. The leaders of Europe are not on the side of their own people any more than the leaders of America are on the side of their people. Something horrible has seized control of the leadership positions in just about every country, and now it is making its move in Europe.

Yeah seems like Germany's leaders have it in for Germany as well. :/

[mark008]

Ok if Germany wants immigrants, they could organized the transport via trains or buses, or even planes :P. At least they would avoid all this mess on borders. But we know why they didn't :). Maybe one of the main reasons is to raise tensions between European countries. This is already happening between Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia and Hungary. This countries already have economic problems, and this crisis is just making things worse. What will happen when Germany close its borders, when they can't take any more refugees, where would they go? Then they will immigrate to all transpassing countries and our country and all the other Balkan countries already have problems with high unemployment and low GDP, among the other economic problems. I'm just worried.

Oh well, anyway we are going to be sucked into a black hole the CERN will create in the next few days, so lets not worry too much about refugees :P

[Maria Stade]

I hope we all realise that some of these so call migrants, could be criminals exploited the situation, terrorists who by there own admission are penetrating the exodus of migrants to plan attacks across Europe, economic migrants, and some genuine refugees.

This will of course provide ammunition to right wing elements, especially when European countries provide housing, clothes, food, jobs, and money to these people. You wait until the resources start running out and those that are born in these European cannot get the same as the migrants and then you will have resentment, then a violent reaction, and when some terrorist attacks start to occur we will see where the finger points.


Obviously you are just scared of Islam. Go to church and look at a painting. Merkle says that's all that's needed....


^*sarcasm* sigh*
Oy vey...what a mess.

Love your humor ! Lol yeah they can all look at paintings in church.. plain stupid.

[Maria Stade]

Ok if Germany wants immigrants, they could organized the transport via trains or buses, or even planes :P. At least they would avoid all this mess on borders. But we know why they didn't :). Maybe one of the main reasons is to raise tensions between European countries. This is already happening between Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia and Hungary. This countries already have economic problems, and this crisis is just making things worse. What will happen when Germany close its borders, when they can't take any more refugees, where would they go? Then they will immigrate to all transpassing countries and our country and all the other Balkan countries already have problems with high unemployment and low GDP, among the other economic problems. I'm just worried.

Oh well, anyway we are going to be sucked into a black hole the CERN will create in the next few days, so lets not worry too much about refugees :P

3 containers with wepons in Greece, dont think they where ment for hunting :hungry: or recykling metalls.
:pound: Yeah CERN certenly would solve all our minor problems LOL.

[Selkie]

Ok if Germany wants immigrants, they could organized the transport via trains or buses, or even planes :P. At least they would avoid all this mess on borders. But we know why they didn't :). Maybe one of the main reasons is to raise tensions between European countries. This is already happening between Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia and Hungary. This countries already have economic problems, and this crisis is just making things worse. What will happen when Germany close its borders, when they can't take any more refugees, where would they go? Then they will immigrate to all transpassing countries and our country and all the other Balkan countries already have problems with high unemployment and low GDP, among the other economic problems. I'm just worried.

Oh well, anyway we are going to be sucked into a black hole the CERN will create in the next few days, so lets not worry too much about refugees :P

I think the Cabal really wants to start WWIII, and that they want to start it in central Europe. I don't blame you for being worried.

[Maria Stade]

I hope we all realise that some of these so call migrants, could be criminals exploited the situation, terrorists who by there own admission are penetrating the exodus of migrants to plan attacks across Europe, economic migrants, and some genuine refugees.

This will of course provide ammunition to right wing elements, especially when European countries provide housing, clothes, food, jobs, and money to these people. You wait until the resources start running out and those that are born in these European cannot get the same as the migrants and then you will have resentment, then a violent reaction, and when some terrorist attacks start to occur we will see where the finger points.


Obviously you are just scared of Islam. Go to church and look at a painting. Merkle says that's all that's needed....


^*sarcasm* sigh*
Oy vey...what a mess.

No I am fully versed on Islamic beliefs and the Koran, there are those that have a warped view of Islam, that's where the problem lies. I have worked officially in areas related to international terrorism you have the luxury of not having the in depth knowledge on the situation, I unfortunately due to my official position do have knowledge of what is happening underneath and the terrorist threat is very real, including criminal elements as well.

I could wish you where wrong, but I know you are spot on.
They will go underground and they propobly allready have relatives in that country they go to.

[Sophocles]

Here are a couple of videos...

Scuffles in Croatia as it struggles to cope with 30,000 migrants in a week:

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Croatia: Over 5,000 refugees arrive at temporary camp in Opatovac:

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Liveleak: (http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=refugees) Austrian police outnumbered and helpless as migrants ignore passport inspection and just continue onwards (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b89_1442920696)

Article: Finland is Latest Nation to Establish Border Controls (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=20f_1442920922) (19. september)

[Maria Stade]

Merkel kan walk this lads in the church. They speak Dutch.
I have sent this to a friend in the Swedish army he speek german.
Warning they maby are killing 2 guys.

lNaAoK-yrYg

[Isserley]

Maybe one of the main reasons is to raise tensions between European countries. This is already happening between Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia and Hungary.

This is more than true statement. I have a feeling that the last few days I'm watching the Balkan Monty Python :o . Croatian and Serbian survey argue and bicker over the media, Croatian president offended Merkel.. Hungarians have their story and act as if they were on the verge of some kind of breakdown. And then on top of that in Croatia we have the inter-party divisions and of course, more arguing and insulting over media .. if anything, hilarious to watch :ROFL:

[Maria Stade]

The 4th Blood moon in 27-28 september. I have a feeling this is the time for some kind of event.

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[Selkie]

I thought this article should go here. It is by a Polish traveler at the Italian-Austrian border, and it is about what the "refugees" have been doing and how they have been acting. The writer is a Pole, and an eyewitness.

http://www.rense.com/general96/musrefugees.html

[Shannon]

I thought this article should go here. It is by a Polish traveler at the Italian-Austrian border, and it is about what the "refugees" have been doing and how they have been acting. The writer is a Pole, and an eyewitness.

http://www.rense.com/general96/musrefugees.html

What can anyone do? Look, people do not have to act like that, it's mob mentality and it's dangerous. If Mexicans ( for example or any one crossing into America from a border country), started behaving like these hordes,( tossing feces, removing people and luggage from vehicles), they would be shot. No joke, Americans would feel they have the right to protect themselves and the moment a migrant went to drag the wrong person out of car it would be that migrants last moment.

Makes me wonder if Europeans would feel better being able to protect themselves and their family the same way we can.

[Ikarusion]

i dont feel like i have to protect myself by threatening other peoples lifes, but eh good that your goverment backs justified homicide.
although looking at the wikipedia page, im not sure your example falls under that. so be careful who you shoot. =P .
but pulling a trigger surly is easier then throwing punches. also easier to scare off people.

but no, in my case weapons dont make me feel safer. you need to learn how to use them properly anyway. why not first learn how to use your body properly to defend yoursef, before you go a level down and learn how to use a weapon. just makes more sense. first you master the internal, then the external has a better foundation and is easier mastered aswell.

just my two cents.

[Ikarusion]

Obviously you are just scared of Islam. Go to church and look at a painting. Merkle says that's all that's needed....
i got your painting right here, merkel:

http://dump.fm/avatars/20100522/1274568701065-dumpfm-Jesus-laughingjesusart.jpg

[Selkie]

I thought this article should go here. It is by a Polish traveler at the Italian-Austrian border, and it is about what the "refugees" have been doing and how they have been acting. The writer is a Pole, and an eyewitness.

http://www.rense.com/general96/musrefugees.html

What can anyone do? Look, people do not have to act like that, it's mob mentality and it's dangerous. If Mexicans ( for example or any one crossing into America from a border country), started behaving like these hordes,( tossing feces, removing people and luggage from vehicles), they would be shot. No joke, Americans would feel they have the right to protect themselves and the moment a migrant went to drag the wrong person out of car it would be that migrants last moment.

Makes me wonder if Europeans would feel better being able to protect themselves and their family the same way we can.

When I was in Spain, I saw a clip on TV that showed that many people know how to make serviceable homemade guns. So many more Europeans may have arms than their governments know about.

[MorningSong]

This needs to be seen by everyone in the EU, since Germany has so much "power" in what's going on here politically, so I'm evidencing it instead of just putting up the link:

j_8kc19DL70

@ Maria Stade: You might be on to something about the distraction and maybe we should look to Russia.... I just noticed these recent tweets on breakingnews.com and they raised my eyebrows...wonder what's going on?:




4h Russia may deploy Iskander rocket systems near Kaliningrad to counteract deployment of US nuclear weapons in Europe - Interfax

6h Kremlin: Russia will take counter measures to restore balance of power if US nuclear plans for Germany are confirmed - @Reuters

6h US nuclear plans for Germany, if true, would alter strategic balance of power in Europe, Kremlin spokesman says - @Reuters

6h Russia to counteract deployment of new US nuclear weapons in Germany, Kremlin spokesman - Interfax

[Selkie]

This needs to be seen by everyone in the EU, since Germany has so much "power" in what's going on here politically, so I'm evidencing it instead of just putting up the link:

j_8kc19DL70

@ Maria Stade: You might be on to something about the distraction and maybe we should look to Russia.... I just noticed these recent tweets on breakingnews.com and they raised my eyebrows...wonder what's going on?:




4h Russia may deploy Iskander rocket systems near Kaliningrad to counteract deployment of US nuclear weapons in Europe - Interfax

6h Kremlin: Russia will take counter measures to restore balance of power if US nuclear plans for Germany are confirmed - @Reuters

6h US nuclear plans for Germany, if true, would alter strategic balance of power in Europe, Kremlin spokesman says - @Reuters

6h Russia to counteract deployment of new US nuclear weapons in Germany, Kremlin spokesman - Interfax



Thanks for that video.

Well, now we can be pretty sure why ISIS had the confidence to publish this map,

http://i.imgur.com/pn07JK8.png

They have the active and passive assistance of the Chancellor of Germany, and probably other European leaders as well.

About those tweets about Russia, I think Russia is being perfectly rational. They are readying themselves for a NATO assault on their country, with NATO troops possibly augmented by ISIS fighters. After all, all those "stan" countries surround Russia from the old Soviet Union days. Those immigrants could disappear into those countries to wreck all kinds of havoc for Russia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Soviet_Union_Administrative_Divisions_1989.jpg

If NATO was worried about Russia attacking Europe, the worst thing in the world to do would be to cause chaos by bringing in hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants from anywhere, let alone the Middle East. Not to mention that the overwhelming majority of those immigrants are young men.

[heyokah]

Merkel kan walk this lads in the church. They speak Dutch.
I have sent this to a friend in the Swedish army he speek german.
Warning they maby are killing 2 guys.

lNaAoK-yrYg

It's not that it makes much difference, but that guy is speaking German and not Dutch ;-)

[Shannon]

i dont feel like i have to protect myself by threatening other peoples lifes, but eh good that your goverment backs justified homicide.
although looking at the wikipedia page, im not sure your example falls under that. so be careful who you shoot. =P .
but pulling a trigger surly is easier then throwing punches. also easier to scare off people.

but no, in my case weapons dont make me feel safer. you need to learn how to use them properly anyway. why not first learn how to use your body properly to defend yoursef, before you go a level down and learn how to use a weapon. just makes more sense. first you master the internal, then the external has a better foundation and is easier mastered aswell.

just my two cents.

I happen to agree with you, just stating what I know as an American, mess with the wrong person and you may be shot. Violence = violence, just saying, some people shoot and ask questions later, especially when being pulled out of your own car by an angry mob. Plus not everyone can defend themselves physically, I made sure my mom has a firearm since my father passed away because she is alone in a house, a sitting duck and unfortunately in this world home invasions are not imaginary. I also made sure she knew the weapon well and how to use it.

Basically what I'm saying is this huge exodus is just becoming so mad, with the actions of the migrants and the unprepared leaders of the EU, that I can only see the citizens taking so much before they retaliate.

*sigh*...I need to go to church, look at a picture, repent, confess, self flagellate, etc... :P

[animovado]

This article is not about Croatia, but it's showing a kind of engineering in respect to the refugee-crisis.


Who is twitter-luring refugees to Germany?

http://www.voltairenet.org/article188774.html

This study adds to the preceding. It shows that the current wave of migration to Europe is organized to direct human crowds to Germany.

Content-analysis of a great number of tweets that triggered the ongoing wave of migration from Turkey to Germany since August this year suggests that these human streams were inspired and channeled from outside of the continental Europe.

According to Vladimir Shalak [1] from the Russian Academy of Science who developed the Internet Content-Analysis System for Twitter (Scai4Twi), his study of over 19000 refugees-related original tweets (retweets discounted) demonstrates that the vast majority of them mention Germany and Austria as the most refugee-welcoming countries in Europe:

Read more: http://www.voltairenet.org/article188774.html

[Sophocles]

EU refugee & migrant crisis: Serbia bans all cargo vehicles, goods from Croatia (http://www.rt.com/news/316339-serbia-bans-croatia-vehicles-migrants/)


RT 23 Sep, 2015 22:21

Serbia has banned all Croatian goods and cargo vehicles from entering the country in response to Croatian border restrictions enacted to stem the flow of immigrants pouring across the joint border, according to the Interior Minister Nebojsa Stefanovic.

Serbian police have been instructed to “not allow the entry through any border crossing any cargo vehicle registered in Croatia, nor any truck carrying goods made in Croatia,” Stefanovic said at a press-conference.

Earlier, Croatia’s Prime Minister, Zoran Milanovic, had said that he didn’t believe Serbia would go as far as introducing retaliatory measures because that would constitute an act “against the European Union.”

“Croatia is an EU member. Serbia cannot, even if it wants, impose measures against Croatia as it has an agreement with the EU. Whatever Serbia does, or thinks to do, would be against the EU and I’m sure Serbia will not do that,” Milanovic said.

Serbia, which is currently on the list of candidates to join the EU, has warned Croatia that it was willing to look at political, legal and economic measures to stop the border blockade.

Last week, Croatia closed most of its road border crossings with Serbia, leaving only one open on the main road linking Belgrade and Zagreb at Bajakovo.

The move was said to be in response to over 13,000 refugees entering the country after Hungary closed its borders on Wednesday to stop the asylum seekers from transiting through the country en route to Western Europe.

“We cannot register and accommodate these people any longer,” Milanovic said on Friday. “They will get food, water and medical help, and then they can move on. The European Union must know that Croatia will not become a migrant ‘hotspot.’ We have hearts, but we also have heads.”

Link (http://www.rt.com/news/316339-serbia-bans-croatia-vehicles-migrants/)

[Jhonie]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/24/europe-opens-gates-muslims-will-beheadings-nobel-laureate-lech-walesa-speaks/

“I understand why Poland and Europe fear their influx. They arrive from places where people are beheaded. We are worried that the same will happen to us.

“We in Poland have small flats, low salaries and meagre pensions. Watching the refugees on television, I noticed that they look better than us. They are well fed, well dressed and maybe even are richer than we are.

“It’s a problem. If Europe opens its gates, soon millions will come through and while living among us will start exercising their own customs, including beheading.”

[Jhonie]

http://toprightnews.com/muslim-teen-doesnt-like-what-this-girl-is-wearing-seconds-later-he-does-the-unthinkable/

Without any warning, the man, reportedly in his high teens or early twenties, immediately slapped the woman hard, sending her staggering backwards in shock and pain, as his fellow Muslims laughed and cheered him on.

As he approached her for another smack, the woman tried to defend herself by hitting him with her purse, but she didn’t even get close. Although he missed with his second blow, he delivered a hard punch to the jaw that sent her crashing to the ground, presumably unconscious.

Then his oh-so brave fellow Muslim came up to, by one account, yell “stupid whore” before kicking and stomping on the defenseless woman.

Here is the video...


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=838_1442060609

Coming to your town next???

[animovado]

“It’s a problem. If Europe opens its gates, soon millions will come through and while living among us will start exercising their own customs, including beheading.”

Headlessness is a serious problem - notably without beheading.


The refugee crisis might be a wake up call for a society which is sleeping
in placency and the arrogance to take it's prosperity for granted or in believing that
it is solely based on it's willingness to work.

[Maria Stade]

I know many muslims and they are not any problem for anyone.
There must be much acceptans, they will not have a easy life here and the culture is so different from their own early programing.
Agressinon from muslim men are often fear, they loose the power and athority in their own family, out laws are not made for them.
In Sweden you cant hit anyone, many foringer will get in trubbel for being to rough with their own children.
We have homeless people, poor people in Sweden to.
EU should not keep or protect people that is attacking others, they should be sent back.
Kriminals are born in every country so I think we have enough of them allready.
I dont fear muslims but I dont like fanatics, that includes vegan activists.

[Selkie]

“It’s a problem. If Europe opens its gates, soon millions will come through and while living among us will start exercising their own customs, including beheading.”

Headlessness is a serious problem - notably without beheading.


The refugee crisis might be a wake up call for a society which is sleeping
in placency and the arrogance to take it's prosperity for granted or in believing that
it is solely based on it's willingness to work.

How else is prosperity gained except through hard work and self-discipline? Prosperity is based exactly upon one's willingness to work; it is not a fruit that grows on trees, there just for the plucking. It takes hard work, self-discipline, and delayed gratification to become prosperous, usually over many generations.

Those in the more prosperous countries do not take their prosperity for granted. They work hard for it. They've worked hard for it many generations, and they know it. It is those who would come to suck off of the social systems they have in place to help their less fortunate who take the prosperity of generations of hard work for granted.

If the refugee crisis is a wakeup call, it is a wakeup call to what looks like the ingratitude of the refugees, who seem to think they are owed something.

That said, as heinous as the video is, it must be remembered that among the people who flooded in, there are most assuredly agents-provocateur, whose job it is to cause mayhem. It looks to me like someone wants to start a new round of religious wars in Europe.

And finally, the comment about headlessness is uncalled for :thumbsdown:

[animovado]

It looks to me like someone wants to start a new round of religious wars in Europe.

The comment of Lech Walesa seems to point in this direction. Is it mindful to state something like: "If Europe opens its gates, soon millions will come through and while living among us will start exercising their own customs, including beheading.”
I think it is not. Therefore I wrote about "headlessness".

If you look at the ponzi scheme of our financial system, at the history of colonization or at the recent imperial meddling in the societies of the middle-east and northern africa (to name just a few), you get a good impression about
what I believe are some of the foundations of our prosperity. Exploitation is surely one of it's pillars. But it must not be this way and we can do better.
Now we have to face a kind of mass migration into europe and even if it's engineered and steered, I see there a chance of balancing out of old and very long hedged disparities. At the same time it could possibly lead to more self-empowerment and responsibility.


Selkie, I have chosen the word "solely", because I don't want to belittle the labour and the achievements of our society.

[Selkie]

It looks to me like someone wants to start a new round of religious wars in Europe.

The comment of Lech Walesa seems to point in this direction. Is it mindful to state something like: "If Europe opens its gates, soon millions will come through and while living among us will start exercising their own customs, including beheading.”
I think it is not. Therefore I wrote about "headlessness".

If you look at the ponzi scheme of our financial system, at the history of colonization or at the recent imperial meddling in the societies of the middle-east and northern africa (to name just a few), you get a good impression about
what I believe are some of the foundations of our prosperity. Exploitation is surely one of it's pillars. But it must not be this way and we can do better.
Now we have to face a kind of mass migration into europe and even if it's engineered and steered, I see there a chance of balancing out of old and very long hedged disparities. At the same time it could possibly lead to more self-empowerment and responsibility.


Selkie, I have chosen the word "solely", because I don't want to belittle the labour and the achievements of our society.

The average citizen of the prosperous nations don't exploit anyone. They work just as hard for what they have as any immigrant would have to. It is the prosperity of the corporations that is built upon exploitation, not the prosperity of the average citizen.

The immigrants won't affect the prosperity of the corporations at all; in fact, the immigrants will boost the prosperity of the corporations since the new, huge labor pool will likely drive down wages. However, the prosperity of the citizens of the prosperous countries will certainly suffer.

So the real battle is not between immigrants and citizens, it is between the corporations and everyone else. Corporations exploit everyone: citizens, immigrants, and even government.

About headlessness, if the actions of those young men in the video is any example or portent, I think you may be wrong about that.

But what I'm really puzzled about is why those young men, if they didn't come specifically to cause trouble, come to the west and start beating up women? Why do they run away from things at home, and then make the new place just like the place they left :( :confused: If they want to be in the west, then they have to start acting like westerners. No one has a problem with Islam, its their fanatics we fear, and rightly so.

addition All fanatics are scary, even vegan fanatics and animal activist fanatics.

[animovado]

The average citizen of the prosperous nations don't exploit anyone.

Not consciously. But we're all participants of the systemic disadvantages of our society.
Even the average citizen is able to come to that conclusion, if s/he likes to.

And speaking about corporations it needs to be recognized that they're not an entity
without our assistance, to the contrary, we're partaking in the same way as we're doing it in the bigger picture. We are all that as a society.
Corporations, governments and every institution we can think of are made and maintained by people. This institutions are reflections of our values, moral concepts and beliefs.

"Oneness" is not only a "new age fabric conditioner", it could be in fact the opposite,
namely the call to take the sword of division at it's blade and to use it as an indicator
for the tasks that are still to do.

The "headlessness" referred to the fear-mongering propaganda of Lech Walesa and the video posted by Jhonie.


But what I'm really puzzled about is why those young men, if they didn't come specifically to cause trouble, come to the west and start beating up women? Why do they run away from things at home, and then make the new place just like the place they left If they want to be in the west, then they have to start acting like westerners. No one has a problem with Islam, its their fanatics we fear, and rightly so.


We don't know what was actually going on there. We don't know if the perpetrators are immigrants or refugees, nor do we know the whole situation. In my view there are much too many people around that are doing nothing except from filming or observing.
Order needs courage.

[Selkie]

The average citizen of the prosperous nations don't exploit anyone.

Not consciously. But we're all participants of the systemic disadvantages of our society.
Even the average citizen is able to come to that conclusion, if s/he likes to.

(my emphasis)

Are you implying that it is the PROPER conclusion to come to?

[animovado]

Are you implying that it is the PROPER conclusion to come to?

Okay Selkie, let's call it thesis, right?

[Selkie]

Are you implying that it is the PROPER conclusion to come to?

Okay Selkie, let's call it thesis, right?

In that case, could you state it as a thesis, so that we can analyze and/or debate the merits and/or demerits of it?

p.s. the definition of thesis we are interested in is number 1, below, of course.



the·sis

/ˈTHēsis/

noun

noun: thesis; plural noun: theses

1.

a statement or theory that is put forward as a premise to be maintained or proved.
"his central thesis is that psychological life is not part of the material world"

synonyms: theory, contention, argument, line of argument, proposal, proposition, idea, claim, premise, assumption, hypothesis, postulation, supposition
"the central thesis of his lecture"

•(in Hegelian philosophy) a proposition forming the first stage in the process of dialectical reasoning.

2.

a long essay or dissertation involving personal research, written by a candidate for a college degree.
"a doctoral thesis"

[animovado]

The average citizen of the prosperous nations don't exploit anyone.

Not consciously. But we're all participants of the systemic disadvantages of our society.
Even the average citizen is able to come to that conclusion, if s/he likes to.



Do you like to debate the emphasized quote or the one about systemic disadvantages?

Maybe we should continue our conversation at another place? Otherwise we might be derailing the thread?

[Selkie]

The average citizen of the prosperous nations don't exploit anyone.

Not consciously. But we're all participants of the systemic disadvantages of our society.
Even the average citizen is able to come to that conclusion, if s/he likes to.



Do you like to debate the emphasized quote or the one about systemic disadvantages?

I am interested in the implications of the whole quote, both sentences, because there are follow-on's from it. So my question is, given the whole quote, what are you implying? If you could put what you are implying in the form of a thesis, with a thesis statement,


A thesis statement usually appears at the end of the introductory paragraph of a paper, and it offers a concise summary of the main point or claim of the essay, research paper, etc. A thesis statement is usually one sentence that appears at the end though it may occur as more than one.

then we could have a discussion about it. After all, you, yourself, said to think of it as a thesis,



Okay Selkie, let's call it thesis, right?

In other words, what, in your mind, are the implications that we are all participants of the systemic disadvantages of our society? After all, we are all participants in the advantages of our society, too, and so are the immigrants, now that they are there. In other words, now that they are there, they are participants in both the advantages and disadvantages of our society.

Unless they are looking for a free ride, and want to use their status as immigrants to have more advantages than the average citizen of any country, or unless someone wants to use them unfairly and force them to take (for example) lower wages than the average citizen might take.

[3(C)+me]

Ok I am avoiding all heated debates this month. I have no comments on priors posts.
This video deals with this refugee crisis and some alliances formed to deal with this.
ZiaKEMVM3TE

Very interesting perspective.

[Selkie]

Ok I am avoiding all heated debates this month. I have no comments on priors posts.
This video deals with this refugee crisis and some alliances formed to deal with this.
ZiaKEMVM3TE

Very interesting perspective.

This is such good news! Great video! Of course the immigrants are nothing but pawns in the game, those of them who are not terrorists, that is...I said that somewhere else, maybe in this thread. The current crisis is entirely the fault of the US and Israel, although not the fault of the American people. Kudos to Germany, France and Russia!

[Shannon]

http://toprightnews.com/muslim-teen-doesnt-like-what-this-girl-is-wearing-seconds-later-he-does-the-unthinkable/

Without any warning, the man, reportedly in his high teens or early twenties, immediately slapped the woman hard, sending her staggering backwards in shock and pain, as his fellow Muslims laughed and cheered him on.

As he approached her for another smack, the woman tried to defend herself by hitting him with her purse, but she didn’t even get close. Although he missed with his second blow, he delivered a hard punch to the jaw that sent her crashing to the ground, presumably unconscious.

Then his oh-so brave fellow Muslim came up to, by one account, yell “stupid whore” before kicking and stomping on the defenseless woman.

Here is the video...


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=838_1442060609

Coming to your town next???

This video just breaks my heart to watch, it's scary and I hope any one affected by this whole problem stays safe. These young men( I really want to call them animals) don't know is that their are making any shot of an easy transition for their men and woman so much worse. They are harming themselves and their prosperity.

Sickening.

Thanks for the post and video, this stuff does need to be shown

[Selkie]

http://toprightnews.com/muslim-teen-doesnt-like-what-this-girl-is-wearing-seconds-later-he-does-the-unthinkable/

Without any warning, the man, reportedly in his high teens or early twenties, immediately slapped the woman hard, sending her staggering backwards in shock and pain, as his fellow Muslims laughed and cheered him on.

As he approached her for another smack, the woman tried to defend herself by hitting him with her purse, but she didn’t even get close. Although he missed with his second blow, he delivered a hard punch to the jaw that sent her crashing to the ground, presumably unconscious.

Then his oh-so brave fellow Muslim came up to, by one account, yell “stupid whore” before kicking and stomping on the defenseless woman.

Here is the video...


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=838_1442060609

Coming to your town next???

This video just breaks my heart to watch, it's scary and I hope any one affected by this whole problem stays safe. These young men( I really want to call them animals) don't know is that their are making any shot of an easy transition for their men and woman so much worse. They are harming themselves and their prosperity.

Sickening.

Thanks for the post and video, this stuff does need to be shown

Yes, and when they behave like that, is it any wonder that Muslims aren't wanted? Men like that (and women, too, if they attack westerners exercising their own freedoms in their own countries) give Islam a bad name.

[Selkie]

Why do they come to the west, if the way we are offends them so, unless the goal is to make the west Islamic?

addition The ones who attack western women for wearing bikinis, or beat up on women, I mean.

[Shannon]

Why do they come to the west, if the way we are offends them so, unless the goal is to make the west Islamic?

addition The ones who attack western women for wearing bikinis, or beat up on women, I mean.

Right, I don't see it being benefitcial for them to put on such a display of violence for the sake of integration , they are showing me they want the west to conform to Islam, sharia law.

Are these just delinquent, young way -ward men who got up into rotterdam with the masses? Or were they raised to hate women and men who choose not to give themselves to their religion(Islam)? Have they been trained to create this violence on behalf of a greater Islamic plan? Idk. All I know is that this behavior does nothing but create more hate and negativity.

:(

[Maria Stade]

I can not support (and many with me in this part of the world) that US goverment is helping ISIS.
I belive that Putin and Merkel have some agreement.
Hint, she has been going to russia many times and he has wisited Germany.
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Merkel and UK

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Obama is has been comming out with a lots of suprises.. if I say so.
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I hope that US veterans and US people start to hit the break on your leader.
We all need to stop this madness and stop the need for people run from their own country.
Syria is a blood bath. A Swedish "doctors with no limit" report that they amutate peoples arms and legs because they have to many and to little time.

Another thing that I question is.. if he is the bloodline of Jesus or what ?
Why do I think that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GL0curpDE8

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Jesus/Jesus.htm

[Jhonie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6U6Hhy_2M&index=44&list=WL
Uploaded on Nov 10, 2011
This what a country gets by not standing up to dictators.


http://godfatherpolitics.com/21799/arabic-streets-signs-in-american-city-indicates-islamic-takeover/
How would you feel if you drove into a town here in the United States and found that many of the street signs were in Arabic only with no English wording? Then you look around and discover that many of the signs on businesses were also in Arabic.
Not possible you say? Think again! Welcome to Dearborn, Michigan.

Yes, they want the entire world to be Muslim/Islam. Thank fully we still have our guns! Is this the third world war?

[Selkie]

I'm not sure what to think about the video because frankly, both men are irrational.

But Arabic street signs...that is, if they are written in Arabic script

http://i.stack.imgur.com/BMR7q.png

and are not just Arabic names written in the regular alphabet (Aa, Bb, Cc, Dd...) that we use everyday...are something else again. But from the way it is written, I can't tell to what the article is referring, and there are no pictures.

But I can tell you, I don't want to live in a theocracy. I don't want to live in any kind of theocracy.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/6c/78/686c78c921920ee6e096fb7a2a1d4ef4.jpg

[Jhonie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFO1AtjoUoo

Brigitte Gabriel: Radical Islam: The Plan to Destroy America from Within: Infiltration (2011)

[Maria Stade]

Sweden is now crowded with immigrants and they will be stuck for a long time in crowded conditions as there are no "homes" for this many people.
Before the immigration wave our students even had problems finding a place to live so some lived in tents.

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1000 s of minors have left the place where they are written and are now missing.

[Sophocles]

Hungary to close border with Croatia to stop refugee influx (https://www.rt.com/news/318890-hungary-close-border-croatia/)

RT Published time: 16 Oct, 2015 17:40

Hungary will seal off its border with Croatia midnight to stop the uncontrolled inflow of refugees that arrive in thousands every day, the foreign minister said after a national security cabinet meeting.

The border will be closed from 12am local time (22:00 GMT) on Friday and refugees will be able to enter Hungary from Croatia only through two transit zones, which are yet to be set up. They will have to present valid travel documents or submit asylum requests, Reuters reports, citing Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto.

"If we seal off the green border, it is only going to be possible to come into Hungary in a regular way,” he said on Thursday, as quoted by Reuters. "It would exactly look like the practice on the Serbian border. It would (be) exactly the same," he added. “Hungary will fully enforce the Schengen rules on the border with Croatia.”

The minister also said that Hungary had informed Croatia, Slovenia, Poland, Slovakia, Austria, and Germany about its decision to close the border.

Full article (https://www.rt.com/news/318890-hungary-close-border-croatia/)

[Tangri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6U6Hhy_2M&index=44&list=WL
Uploaded on Nov 10, 2011
This what a country gets by not standing up to dictators.


http://godfatherpolitics.com/21799/arabic-streets-signs-in-american-city-indicates-islamic-takeover/
How would you feel if you drove into a town here in the United States and found that many of the street signs were in Arabic only with no English wording? Then you look around and discover that many of the signs on businesses were also in Arabic.
Not possible you say? Think again! Welcome to Dearborn, Michigan.

Yes, they want the entire world to be Muslim/Islam. Thank fully we still have our guns! Is this the third world war?

Maybe you should forget adding below pictures from Charlie Hebdo to emphasize your claim.

Tranlation like this; Christians walk on the water but Muslim's infants can't

[Isserley]

:bump:
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[sunpaw]

:bump:
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I find it outrageous to make fun of distressed people who fleeing being killed. Its a disgrace to find it here at Avalon.
Its not easy on the people on the move, nor those helping, nor those finding 'right decisions'.
If you followed you would probably know that it wasn't a prank on a kid labeled worst actor but for removing remains of tear gas/pepper spray.
And how on earth is it funny that people who were starving for weeks at this train station with no help other than from volunteers like the one with the bag are desperate for food.
If you laugh now that people are not silently going back to Syria after being teargassed at the fence but express being angry and fed up treated worse than trash - whats all this speech of 'bugging out, resistance' even worth. In the US they probably would have been shot just running up to the fence.

... speechless



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJZQS3Nu7U&feature=youtu.be

[Maria Stade]

Sunpaw it is people questioning what is reported and if some is acting for the camera. Who is reporting what for who?
To have a cupple of police man stopping 100 of people is just like a joke.
Yes this is the most horrific that has happened during our lifetime people are dying, lost their hope, home, family, some are sick and all are lost.
We havent seen the end of this ongoing tragic event.
No its not funny at all.

But we should all question what is shown to us.

[Isserley]

:bump:
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I find it outrageous to make fun of distressed people who fleeing being killed. Its a disgrace to find it here at Avalon.
Its not easy on the people on the move, nor those helping, nor those finding 'right decisions'.
If you followed you would probably know that it wasn't a prank on a kid labeled worst actor but for removing remains of tear gas/pepper spray.
And how on earth is it funny that people who were starving for weeks at this train station with no help other than from volunteers like the one with the bag are desperate for food.
If you laugh now that people are not silently going back to Syria after being teargassed at the fence but express being angry and fed up treated worse than trash - whats all this speech of 'bugging out, resistance' even worth. In the US they probably would have been shot just running up to the fence.

... speechless



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJZQS3Nu7U&feature=youtu.be

Sunpaw, I don't think you understand what is being shown here.. no one makes fun of people in distress, this video shows the other side of the immigrant crisis and the way in which media is being manipulated on the huge scale.
Watch the video before you condemn it by title..

[animovado]

There's an inflammatory element in the message of the video, imo.
This is a manipulation, too, as is the whole immigrant/refugee campaign. But these people are definetly uprooted, regardless of their apparent motivations.

[PRAGMAE]

Organized mayhem to create clans. The eternal red VS blue BS. Propaganda.

Muslim countries watching it from a far distance, europe flooded by people with brand new swim jackets, war (Syria) going on since at least 5 years... Death is given by weapons that we've sold. Now everybody is waiting for the next election. Extrems will be elected, the tension will rise more... The plan is ready and activated. Sick of it. Those poor videos (so SO non-human humour), our politics reactions ($), FB, surveys, TV and our opened arms aren't the solutions. Gotta watch from a higher point.

Soon what ? Hey ! Let's ask CERN if they can kick them all in some other dimension ? A muslim one maybe ? Or maybe in Quatar ???

This F#cking hypocrisy is the gasoline.

[idiit]

where are these immigrants getting the $ to pay for the ride into Europe?

there is a difference between migrant and immigrant. :)


“There are insights that organizations from the US have created a co-financing model and contribute substantial amounts to trafficker’s costs.”

“Not every refugee from North Africa has 11,000 euros in cash. Nobody asks where the money comes from.”

The employee said that there was a “strict news blackout” on how the African and Middle Eastern immigrants were able to pay the traffickers fees.


http://whitegenocideproject.com/austrian-intelligence-says-us-organizations-are-funding-immigration-into-europe/


A European Union scheme is paying jobless migrants thousands of pounds to find employment in the UK it has been revealed.

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2015-08-11/some-eu-unemployed-immigrants-paid-to-come-to-britian-by-eu

some immigrants are truly refugees. many are paid immigrants.

[Sophocles]

Transcript from the interview with the Russian writer Nikolai Starikov (9. Sep 2015):

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(Starikov) Have there been previous waves of migation into Europe? Of course there have.

Starting from the 1960s, even the 1950s.

Back then they came form Yugoslavia, from various countries. Later from Turkey they came to Germany. There have been many waves.

In reality, it was this primarily for economic reasons, sometimes there were political issues too. For example, an anti-US revolution took place in Iran. All of the corrupt Iranians -the secret police, the local oligarchs fled to London, to Europe, and so on. There have always been political asylum-seekers.

But there has always been the rule in the EU and in individual states that if you are seeking political asylum, I stress political -because you cannot seek economic asylum- then you have to prove that you are facing danger.

Some of our own white-ribbon folks also fled to Holland after 2012. One of them died there, if you remember. They all declared that they were in terrible danger from the blood-thirsty regime, and that they must be allowed to stay. There is a procedure in place.

What we see here is that there is no procedure, no state even. All of a sudden, the border guards, the customs service, all the state functions dealing with these migrants, the issuing, or not, of documents -thay all vanished. The result is a rather strange picture:

You can jump on some sea transport, sail form the coast of Africa to Europe, you`ll hardly be asked for documents or whether you`re a political asylum-seeker or not political. They`ll do nothing to you. After that, you can do as you like. You can make demands, start a fight, smash things up. You can proceed on foot, or however they get from Lampedusa to Budapest. In Budapest they cause chaos: Seizing the train station, smashing up the trains, and demanding to be transported to some destination.

Think about it. Previously a person would arrive and say «I request asylum». You know there is a state, you make a request to the EU. You can`t demand anything. Let me give a little historical example, which maybe isn`t about refugees but about demands.

The situation was this: When Vladimir Ilyich Lenin very much wanted to travel on the sealed train, i.e. return from Switzerland to Russia, after its capture by the February Revolution, he used all means, tried in every way. He wanted to travel pretending to be a deaf-mute Swede. He wrote that England wouldn`t allow him through. He tried to get on an aircraft, a hot air balloon. He tried everything -nothing succeeded.

Then a miracle happened. A certain fellow appeared by the name Fritz Platten, who said «We`ll fix it all». He went to the German consulate in Switzerland, which had previously denied Lenin passage, and he sorted it all out with them. Then he said «Vladimir Ilyich, go ahead and submit you application». Lenin was obviously sceptical, since he had already been denied two weeks earlier. He went in, was met by the German ambassador, and handed over his document on which was written: «Conditions, under which Russian revolutionary emigres will agree to transit through the territory of Germany».

Notice he didn`s say «permit me». He said «We are willing to transit under these conditions» -namely exterritoriality, no luggage inspection, and so on. The German ambassador takes it and says: «Are you mad?», meaning -look, you`re the one requesting permission to transit through Germany, it`s not Germany requesting permission for transit through Russia! It`s not your place to demand, but to request. Lenin told him: «Look, sir, go and ask Berlin». The ambassador wrote a telegram which was basically saying: Some annoying Russian revolutionaries have come in, and moreover are laying out their demands for transit. What should we do with them? He was thinking the answer would again be «Decline». But what came back was «Accept their conditions».
Astonished, with all of Lenin`s conditions having been accepted, the Germans prepared the train, with troops in the vestibule, exterritoriality, no inspections of anything, and off they went.

Returning to the current reality: People came to make a request, but now they are making demands. What has happened? There is a narrative. That the Europeans orchestrated war, destroyed nations, and of course that is true. But really, that has nothing to do with granting political asylum. You can`t just walk into the offices of a state agency to seek asylum and start pushing your rights: «Well, you destroyed my country, so you owe me». They will cart you off back to where you came from, right?

The system was very simple, although the procedure is lengthy and bureacratic. After someone submits an application, they have the right to live in that territory, they get some allowance, and are a little bit integrated into Western society. Later, after assessment, some are allowed to stay, while others get deported. So the system was working like that for a long time, and now suddently demands are being made. What does this mean?

Someone from above has pressured the authorities in the EU, just as happened to the German ambassador in Switzerland in 1917: «You know what, forget about everything, forget the procedures, let them go wherever they want, demand whatever they want, and so on».

So someone has organized this, and it`s not the EU. So let`s consider who could have organized it. Put aside ISIS and al-Qaida, as they only exist in the media world, and in the form of armed groups receiving money, weapons and instructors from MI6, and train Bedouins to wield a weapon and cut people`s heads off. What`s left? Some serious power, which is forcing the European states to forget their own rules. Who has organized this? The United States of America.

Notice, a plan was published for the distribution of the refugees in Europe, and UK got zero. Everyone was accommodating them, but not UK. And the US is another UK, but very far away. No-one could ever get there by sea, because that would require an ocean liner and not some crumbling rust-brucket. However, to get into the UK you just need to walk through the Channel Tunnel, so no-one is crossing by sea. But they are not affected by the refugee problem.

Obviously, the migrant waves will be directed towards where there is prosperity. Notice where all these people are going -no-one is going to Saudi-Arabia, or to Qatar or Bahrain, which are closer, and people of the same faith. Among the refugees are many Arabs, but also non-Arabs. The Arabs are essentially one ehnicity, but they don`t go to those contries, only to Europe. Which means it`s an organized process.

Next question. We are told that the refugees pay money to the people-smugglers. That`s probably true. Quetsion: Where did they get the money from? These people are obviously not the poorest. If they fled with only the shirt on their back, after their home was shelled, then the smugglers will not take them to Europe. So these are not the most disadvantaged people. Or if they are, then someone has given them money for the journey.

The smugglers wouldn`t take them for free.

Right -it`s not some humanitarian smugglers transporting them. It means that someone gave them money. Next. There is a huge number of men of military age with expensive telephones, withdrawing cash with ATM cards. My friends from Hungary called me and reported that it seems to be their daily allowance. We are being told that they are militants. I was amused that someone reported the figure of 4000 fighters -then all mass media repeated it.

Question: How did they know the number? Did they check the box «I am an ISIS militant» when filling out the form? Ok, a photo was found of one person with a scar, and published on Twitter. It was clearly the same person. But how do they know there are 4000 fighters? Only whoever counted them could know that, which no-one can do among 100 000s of refugees, unless they themselves confessed.

Nest question. You are ISIS and you`re conducting heavy military operations against the Kurdish militia, the Iraqi Army, Bashar al-Assad and the Syrian Army. How many men do you have? 20 000. And at this point you dispatched 4000 to Europe. Why? In order to establish terrorist centers in Europe. Before that you only needed 10 people. Have there been terrorist atrocities in Europe? Yes.
Had they sent thousands of terrorists to Europe? Tens of thousands? Of course not. They are individuals. You would send 5-6 people, a group, a cell, a reconnaissance network. You wouldn`t send a thousand intelligence agents. It means that entire divisions have been removed from the front and sent to Europe under the guise of refugees. For what? Later, relatives can easily join them, if they become integrated. Again, it`s a strange kind of situation.

Next, these refugees are very well organized. In Budapest the soccer fans, who are always a bit afflicted by a nationalistic view of life, started throwing things at them, and they started throwing back. Imagine: People are dispirited, women, children, pensioners. Stones are thrown at them, and they start throwing stones back. It is very well organized. So there are tons of questions. Clearly, this has been organized. Clearly, money has been allocated for this. Clearly, Europe has thrown its hands up in the air for some reason, and is doing nothing.

200 000 people have been brought to Germany in one week, but they say «Ok, fine, we`ll put 6 billion into the budget, that`s trivial». And what of the voters voices? You know the noe-liberals like to say: «That money could have been spent on kindergartens, roads and pensions». Where is all that? There is none of that.

Next. Another interesting consideration on this subject. Whenever we see a large number of people migrating in an organized fashion, we know that someone is carefully directing this process. And look at the accompanying media attention. Have people died during the Mediterranean sea crossings? It is always said that this is inevitable, shipwrecks will always happen. At just the right time, the photo of the Syrian boy was found. It has been seen, how the shameless journalists who had found him, re-positioned him and then photographed him. What was the conclution from that? Since a Syrian boy has drowned, let`s take revenge on Bashar al-Assad. In an opinion poll, 52% of Brits support air-strikes on Syrian troops by the UK air force. Look at the logic -it is copmpletely absent, because the media veil closes people`s eyes.

Think about this: The West supports the rebels in Syria, Iraq, Libya. Out of these rebels they assemble ISIS, which didn`t exist before -how did it appear? ISIS starts fighting a war. People start fleeing from this ISIS -not from the government forces. Some perished while fleeing. To take revenge for those people, let`s bomb the Syrian army, which is opposing ISIS. This is some utterly alternative reality that`s being created.

They exploit whatever they can.

So, what`s the result? The US deals a blow to Europe -as I wrote in my book «Chaos and Revolution as the Dollar`s Weapons»- but only such as to weaken it, to keep it subordinated, and not to collapse it, because it is needed as an ally against Russia and China. When Libya was destroyed, it was obvious there would be a big migration wave. Dealing with it is very easy. I`ll give some free advice to our European partners on how this is done.

Remember that anyone crossing to Europe is supposedly spending money, right? Well, if they have crossed to Lampedusa, then wash and feed them, let them sleep, then put them on a big white steamship and take them back to Africa. Question: Will they try and cross a second time?

Hardly.

Ok, but suppose they do. Then they get washed and fed, given a place to sleep, and in the morning they`re back on the steamship to Africa. Will they turn up a third time?

Maybe they will.

Even if someone keeps giving them money for this travel, they`ll get bored anyway. You`ll get sick -you crossed the sea, had a look. What did you see? Your room. Then crossed back. It`s boring. Even for tourism they wouldn`t keep crossing, never mind migration. If you want these people to stop sailing across to you, then just return them, and that`s all. Everyone will learn of it. In that sea-port they will say: «My dear friend, we will happily take you to Lampedusa, but you will be back here again tomorrow. You really need that?». So the issue of these refugees is very simple to solve.

Moreover it`s within the framework of the law: Deportation of people not having the right to political asylum. You could have an expedited procedure, if you find yourself choking, taking not half a year, but one day. Maybe for every one person who really has valid circumstances and is allowed to stay, another 100 are sent back. And that`s it -the issue is resolved. This is a crisis, they`re building walls, people are travelling on foot. I`m speechless.

And the last point I want to make on this. People in Ukraine wanted to get into Europe. No-one is going to remove the visa requirements. However, an example has now been shown. Evidently there are no borders any more -the cuastoms and border rules have been removed. Since it`s possible for Arabs and blacks, why not for Ukrainians? They simply need to assemble in a crowd of 100 000 people, and simply walk across the Polish border -calmly, peacefully, shouting as they go. The Polish border guards shall, according to the rules for this type of migrant, move aside, take down the barbed wire, and tie up their dogs. Then this crowd shall proceed -on foot or on transport, however it turns out -to Warsaw, seize the train station, and demand to be taken to Berlin. And they should be taken. Otherwise what kind of discrimination is this? Why do you transport Syrians, but you won`t take Ukrainians fram Warsaw to Berlin?

Those who so desperately wanted to get into Europe.

At the very least they say they are culturally the same people, although you and I know that these are people of Russian civilization. Their skin color is similar to Europeans`, but their mindset is completely different. But that`s not the point here. Does anyone really think this will happen?

Let them give it a try.

It`s not going to happen -I can tell you right away. The Poles will release the dogs, use the gas. They won`t let anyone through. So we have a strange situation: In Poland the state system is operating as it`s supposed to, while in the rest of Europe it`s been suspended for some reason. Why? Because currently there is a need to bring people from one place and not from the other. That`s the whole story.

What is achieved by weakening Europe? Why are they being put down like this?

The Americans, and the Anglo-Saxons in general, as part of their strategy, always stick to the same principle -their allies must be weaker than them. That`s why they were always trying to weaken the Soviet Union during WW2. They didn`t open a second front, forgot to hand over navy ships. When Italy pulled out of the war, their navy fell to the English. Obviously, it was supposed to be split into three equal parts, but they forgot about all that. Comrode Stalin said at every conference: «Guys, where is our share of the Italian Navy?». In the end he insisted. The English with their ships and subs handed over part of the Italian Navy. Only after the war did we get the former Giulio Cesare, which later became, if I remember correctly, the Novorossiysk, and, sadly, was blown up by a frogman, and destroyed. So their allies have to be weaker than them. Once Europe became strong, and Germany began to do its own thing, they planned such an attack.

Notice that the waves of refugees, which have now turned up in Europe, are heading for only one country. Germany. Let`s ask ourselves a question. In Syria, Libya and elsewhere, in all the magazines, TV and radio stations, have they been talking about only one country. So everyone is unaware that there is Austria with a high standard of living, France is alright too. Then there is Luxembourg, Belgium, Czhech Republic, Hungary, Italy and every kind of country -do they not know that? There`s even Greece too. But they know only Germany. What`s this nonsense? Why are they all going to Germany? Why not stay in Austria? Their standard of living is more or less the same. They are all going to Germany. Now see, at almost the same moment, just last week, Gazprom signed an agreement with German companies to begin the construction of the second branch of the Nord Stream gas pipeline. (http://www.nord-stream2.com/press-info/news/gazprom-basf-e-on-engie-omv-and-shell-sign-shareholders-agreement-on-the-nord-stream-2-project-2/) Where does it deliver gas to? Germany. Where are all the refugees going? Following the gas. It`s a remarkable coincidence, isn`t it?

Gas is not the only reason.

But those who have organized the stream of refugees don`t want the gas to reach Germany, giving Germany independence. But suppose they can`t prevent construction of the second pipeline branch. Remember how they obstructed the first (http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.no/2014/12/the-importance-of-cancellation-of-south.html) -Estonia tried in every way, Sweden too. They said: «Your pipeline is environmentally incompatible with our Baltic sea-bed...The seaweed will die off». Estonia banned construction within their territorial waters, so they had to make a «hook», but then Swedish environmentalists got upset. So if you don`t have those instruments, then do something different: «Ok, guys, carry on building as you are. But meanwhile we will construct our own «south stream» -not gas, but refugees. So consider the pros and cons».

Methinks these two events are tightly correlated.

So it means Europe is being held on a hook. On the one hand, they have to assist and obey the US, but on the other hand, they mustn`t become so strong that they could afford to disobey.

From the perspective of the Americans and English, Europe should not have the right to voice at all. They were told «bomb Libya», even if it means you will get refugees later. They were told «support the war in Ukraine», so they had to support it, even though trade routes will be broken and you will have armed conflicts in your soft underbelly. As one conscientious blogger here said (Navalny): «Expand, don`t reflect». Same here -don`t think about what Washington is telling you, just do it, and it will be fine. But Europeans are not really happy with this situation, as they are the ones footing the bill for this party. That`s why they`re infuriated. And they`re being put in their place.

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Forbes: Will Refugees Save Or Sink The German Economy? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2015/09/09/will-refugees-save-or-sink-the-german-economy/)

[idiit]

^^ dammmnnn Sophocles ! POST! :)

[Sophocles]

11 500 migrants enter Croatia yesterday setting a new daily record

Migrants continue to be transported to the Slovenian border after arriving in Croatia from Serbia.

Source: http://voiceofcroatia.hrt.hr/our-news/single-news/croatia-today-18_00/croatia-today-1800-2015-10-25/

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"If We Don't Find A Solution Today, It's The End Of The European Union" - Refugee Crisis Hits Tipping Point (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-25/if-we-dont-find-solution-today-its-end-european-union-europes-refugee-crisis-hits-ti)

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/25/2015 13:43 -0400

After escalating for months, Europe's refugee crisis hit its most serious tipping point yet, when when earlier today European Union leaders held a mini-summit on Sunday debating whether to send hundreds of guards to its borders with the western Balkans, as well as deploying more ships off Greece, as the bloc seeks to balance Germany's welcome for refugees with tougher security measures.

So far, over 680,000 migrants and refugees have crossed to Europe by sea so far this year, fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East, Africa and Asia, according to the International Organization for Migration. Their goal has been Germany, which has promised sanctuary, however as a result of a populist backlash and concerns over the economy, Merkel's popularity has taken a major hit, sliding to the lowest level in four years.

Full article at zero hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-25/if-we-dont-find-solution-today-its-end-european-union-europes-refugee-crisis-hits-ti)

[Sophocles]

FSB warns against terror in border area to Norway (http://www.thebarentsobserver.com/security/2015/11/fsb-warns-againts-terror-border-area-norway)

Citizens of Pechenga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pechenga_%28urban-type_settlement%29,_Murmansk_Oblast) asked to be on alert against sucpisious people from North Caucasus and Central Asia. Norwegian Police Security Service do not share the fear of terrorists hiding among the huge number of asylum-seekers.

From the norwegian msm NRK (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/1.12634347).

[TargeT]

Ahh the good old "immigration" fear porn.. funny how this comes up every few years and people panic...

Here's a great commentary video on Immigration and how Australia, the US and Britain are handling it:
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[Violet]

There's no hidden intention. The young males mentioned above see an opportunity in this chaos and are abusing the situation. Among the refugees there are still Syrians who are fleeing war. The fact that they came with pockets full, doesn't change that what they left behind was dangerous territory.

And when they arrived here in Europe in early September, they were still very open and honest about that. I saw various interviews where one after the other refugee explicitly said they didn't need welfare, they don't need alms, they'll gladly pay because they have their own money. They just want to be safe and build a new future, they said. Then suspicion started to grow as to how anyone with ample money on them could possibly be a sincere refugee. That's when these people became less outspoken about their financial situation.

EU and local measures are in the make. There is delay. Perhaps because of the danger of playing into extreme right wing cards, for which this event excellently lends itself.

[Maria Stade]

The winter is here and there is no place to put all the people. The ones that has not got a roof by now, will live in tents.

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/taltlager-for-flyktingar-pa-plats-nasta-vecka/

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[Humble Janitor]

I find myself appalled at the treatment afforded to Syrian refugees, especially by U.S politicians. It's despicable, un-American and not the kind of country that I want to live in. ****, I don't think I want to live in this WORLD anymore. It's a sick, wretched world. The rise of Donald Trump concerns me. It must be stopped because it foreshadows an even greater evil. The kind of thing I thought I would never see in my lifetime. The same scourge that my grandfather and others fought in WWII. I've warned people for years about playing the anti-immigration/refugee card and it fell on deaf ears. I have had nothing but positive experiences with refugees in our local area regardless of where they come from. I wish more people could see this.

[Maria Stade]

Sweden has now changed the terms for immigrants and refugees. This is a big change.
The reason is that this is now making the future insecure for all.
The system is collapsing.

I did see films about hackers and anymonus last week and for some reason this is kind of the same thing. Overloaded system.
I will pray for those out in the cold that they get help soon.

The willage where I live have expanded from 30 persons to 100 in a week. All are young boys.

[Flash]

From 30 to 100, wow , it must be quite a shock. This is triple the population, and all in arabic.

And all Young boys. Why is that, isn't there children and women in the refugee. Why aren't the women protected too and travelling?


Sweden has now changed the terms for immigrants and refugees. This is a big change.
The reason is that this is now making the future insecure for all.
The system is collapsing.

I did see films about hackers and anymonus last week and for some reason this is kind of the same thing. Overloaded system.
I will pray for those out in the cold that they get help soon.

The willage where I live have expanded from 30 persons to 100 in a week. All are young boys.

[Jimswitz]

It makes me very sad to read this thread.It appears to me that many contributors are repeating what they see in our,unfortunately,biased media.I was astonished to see someone quoting from the Daily Mail,which shouldn't really be called a newspaper;it is owned by a trouble making right wing aristocrat who is following his own self-serving agenda.I have seen reports,which later appeared to be proved wrong,that most of the refugees are young men.Be careful,people.There's a lot of disinformation out there,and I must admit I'm quite shocked at the tone of some of the messages on this thread.I thought Project Avalon was about empathy and caring for our fellow humans.Even if many of the refugees are not Syrian,one would have to be pretty naive to think that Syria is the only country being torn apart by conflict,drought,famine,and other humanitarian disasters.Love and Peace.

[Flash]

Project avalon is about reality, including the strange ones of ET contact and Cabal eagerness to control. If I have an avalon witness, saying that in her village of 30, they are now 100 and most are Young men, why should I doubt it? This is better report than any newspaper in my estimate.

As for empathy, of course avalon members would want to be empathetics. It does not resolve the problems though. How do you cope with your 30 people village becoming 100 overnight and will all Young men, who do not speak the language, and where infrastructures are stretch to the maximum? As much empathy as one may have, how do you cope with this? In my street, there is migrants of at least 30 different countries. We cope because they came in a steady Stream, over time and could be somwhat integrated (albeit not totally, still some tensions at times). But how do you do it when it is all of a sudden, and when there is no balance in the migrant population itself?

Empathy has to play both sides, on the migrants side and on the hosts side too.


It makes me very sad to read this thread.It appears to me that many contributors are repeating what they see in our,unfortunately,biased media.I was astonished to see someone quoting from the Daily Mail,which shouldn't really be called a newspaper;it is owned by a trouble making right wing aristocrat who is following his own self-serving agenda.I have seen reports,which later appeared to be proved wrong,that most of the refugees are young men.Be careful,people.There's a lot of disinformation out there,and I must admit I'm quite shocked at the tone of some of the messages on this thread.I thought Project Avalon was about empathy and caring for our fellow humans.Even if many of the refugees are not Syrian,one would have to be pretty naive to think that Syria is the only country being torn apart by conflict,drought,famine,and other humanitarian disasters.Love and Peace.

[Violet]

Good point, Flash, where do they leave the women and children?

They looked closer into this observation in Belgium and found that Syrian refugees usually arrive here with their entire family (mother, father, children) whereas, among others, the group of Afghani and Iraqi refugees are made up of unaccompanied men.

[sunpaw]

I wrote a longer post, but somehow I lost it. Wanted to delete something and it closed the tab instead.

Regarding the 'men' - there are different causes.
A route through Turkey - many left their families there to wait for the legal travel when the refugee has the paperwork done and its official.
Because to get to Greece by boat is expensive and also dangerous.
Due to weather, bad rubber boats, attacks on people and boats on the sea, fake life vests.
Attacks from radical racists, but also both countries coast guards. (However both sometimes rescue people)
However the major rescue is done by volunteers or other helpers.

Refugees also have the right to state the country they want asylum in, which isn't broadly reported or worth any news article. Reasons can vary again (choosing a country): Friends or family there, language, options for work or continue studying, 'ties' to a country from before the journey or due to experience on the journey.

Family members could have supported the expensive journey (pooling resources, because its expensive)- to give an opportunity to live a life and not get it stolen. Either the man can find work, a place and can get money to get family or had lost family and is given the chance to go on.
Syria for instance had more universities given people lived in Syria than my country compared.

Another reason why men are 'seen' more often - women often don't want to draw additional attention. Not because some books forbids them - many people don't like to be photographed (in my experience). And additional many people still fear for their life even in Europe, to be found and still be killed.
There are a lot families on their way - but due to photographing issues: more men again.
Many lost their families to the bombs, which might be due to natural reasons: running faster, being caught by whatever, whomever faster.
And again additionally: those people walk most of the way, for weeks, for months even.
There are children born on the way - and since most work and helping is done by volunteers, its actually a disgrace and shame those people have to through all of that - just because they didn't want to get killed by a barrel bomb or phosphor bombs for instance.

I am a supporter of 'refugees welcome'. I am not even worried about them, and additionally I got - my life improved, through what money can't buy.
Looking forward to become partner for practicing newly learned language (refugees learning) and getting to know some people. The project will start mid Dec. Since its not an official program due to planning issues - its learning by doing. So its not about learning the language perfectly yet but getting contact and practice words and also enjoy the company.
10 people (refugees) will start so far, there is room for more though. I will see and maybe there is something to share. I am exited ;) , my darling is excited that I am and happy for me (because its important for me) and a friend is looking forward to meet too. I think my excitement helped, my friend was worried he has nothing to offer - but telling him about scripts I found, and try using hands to explain or just to smile and smoke on a break together is worth more than perfect grammar or pronunciation (I told him though, I don't want to pressure him, and since he seemed to have thought about it (and came to the conclusion he has nothing to offer) - I just pointed out different ways and 'priorities'. )
And I could see the joy replacing his hesitation and puzzlement. yay :)

It was a bit longer than planned, but I wanted to share :)

[Bill Ryan]

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I copy this here verbatim, from the London Daily Mail, without comment. (I omitted some images as there were too many for one post)

http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3689928/We-don-t-want-refugees-George-Clooney-s-super-rich-Lake-Como-neighbours-say-Italian-idyll-RUINED-migrants-doorstep-Switzerland-closes-border.html


EXCLUSIVE - 'We don't want ANY refugees here': George Clooney's super rich Lake Como neighbours say Italian idyll is being RUINED by migrants on their doorstep after Switzerland closes its border



Wealthy locals show little sympathy for migrants (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/immigration/index.html) gathering in Italian idyll as makeshift camps erected across Como



Lake Como has long served as tranquil paradise for the rich and famous including Madonna and Donatella Versace



Hundreds of migrants sleeping in parks and railway station as Switzerland closes its border closed in crackdown



Residents say migrants are not welcome and will stretch resources to breaking point - and deter tourists

By Nick Fagge In Como, Italy, For Mailonline (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Nick+Fagge+In+Como,+Italy,+For+Mailonline)
Published: 12:13 GMT, 14 July 2016 | Updated: 14:17 GMT, 14 July 2016
View comments (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3689928/We-don-t-want-refugees-George-Clooney-s-super-rich-Lake-Como-neighbours-say-Italian-idyll-RUINED-migrants-doorstep-Switzerland-closes-border.html#comments)

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George Clooney (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/george_clooney/index.html)'s wealthy neighbours in the Alpine beauty spot of Lake Como say their Italian idyll is being ruined by the influx of hundreds of migrants to a makeshift camp on their doorstep.

The picturesque area is best known as a hide-away for Clooney and a multitude of other Hollywood A-listers includ Brad Pitt, wife Angelina Jolie, and pop superstar Madonna.

But a clamp-down by Switzerland on illegal immigrants entering the country from Italy threatens to turn this chic resort into a frontier town overrun by the homeless and desperate.

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Paradise lost: George Clooney's wealthy neighbours in the Alpine beauty spot of Lake Como say their Italian idyll is being ruined by the influx of hundreds of migrants to a makeshift camp on their doorstep
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Moving on: They are stuck in Lake Como because Swizerland has closed its border and they are sleeping in camps near the railway station

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Rubbish: Como local authority held a referendum to decide on whether to build a permanent camp, which was rejected by the wealthy residents so now the refugees who have moved up from Italy are forced to sleep rough

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Picturesque: This map shows where the camp at Como railway station is in relation to the banks of Lake Como where stars wine and dine

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Gateway to Europe: Migrants are trapped in their makeshift camp at Como's railway station, which is close to George Clooney's estate as well as the luxury Villa D'Este hotel where guests include Madonna, Bruce Springsteen and former US President JFK

Restaurant owner Maria Grazia told MailOnline: ‘I don’t want them here.

‘Italy has enough problems without trying to solve the problems of the world. We should not have to deal with these people on our own.

‘Europe [the EU] does nothing to help us. Now they make us – me, my family and other Italian families – pay for them.’

Housewife Federica, 55, said: ‘A small number of immigrants is not a problem but now they are so many.

‘You see them arriving at that the San Giovanni station. They are not poor hungry refugees but they are big and strong.
‘People here in Como don’t like them. There are simply too many of them.’

Tour guide Denise, 67, added: ‘Immigration here in Italy is a problem, a big problem because of the huge numbers who are arriving all the time.’

Chauffeur Santi, 26, said: ‘It is good for Switzerland that they have closed the border to migrants but it is bad for Italy.

‘We simply don’t have the resources to deal with all these new people.

‘Italy has lots of problems of our own without having to try to deal with other people’s problems. It is a complex situation.

‘It is a lack of resources that is the problem with immigration. Not that we are bad people but that he don’t have the resources to deal with all of these new people arriving in our country.’

Financial consultant Emilio, 52, said: ‘Immigration is a big problem. I don’t want lots of immigrants coming to Como.

‘This will affect our jobs, our resources, and the character of our town.’

Clooney spends up to four months a year as his lake-side 30-room Villa Oleandra which he bought in 2002, officially putting the up-market destination on the international map.

He celebrated his marriage to Amal Clooney at the £7.5 million Italian home in the picturesque village of Laglio where he keeps an impressive wine cellar and tours the lake on a motor launch.

Scenes for Clooney’s heist-movie Oceans Twelve were shot at his Villa Oleandra and actors Emily Blunt and John Krasinski were married in the grounds.

Co-star Brad Pitt and his wife Angelina Jolie are frequent house guests. Matt Bellamy, frontman of the band Muse, who has his own villa along the shore, often pops in.

However those who work and live in the area fear the area is being permanently damaged.

Simona, 27, who works in a shop, said: ‘We don’t need any more immigrants here. They are already all over the town. I really hope the situation will not get any worse. Already they sleep in the park. We don’t want people all over the streets.

‘This will only ruin the tourist trade. No one will want to come here.’

Belgian ex-pat Nico said: ‘This is a complex issue. Europe has to work together to solve this problem. Italy cannot take on the responsibility on its own.’

Italian newspapers have suggested Como could become a small ‘Ventimiglia’ – the frontier town with France where hundreds of migrants set up a camp and fought pitched battles with police last year after Paris closed the border.

The lake-side town, just a few miles from the main Italy-Switzerland border, is already home to hundreds of migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East, with more arriving every day.

Plans to set up a purpose-built migrant camp on the outskirts of Como had to be scrapped following bad-tempered protests from locals.

Instead immigrants, who have registered a claim for asylum in Italy, are housed in up to 100 hostels throughout the town. They also receive a Euro 75-a-month subsistence allowance while the demand is processed.

Others – recent arrivals to the town and those whose asylum applications have been turned down – sleep in makeshift camps and under bridges.

Already the winding cobbled streets of Como’s old town are overrun by young Asian men hawking umbrellas, flowers and other goods.

Africans sleep in the parks and North Africans chatter on their mobile phones.

Some have praised the Swiss for holding back the tide of migrants.

Ellen and Klaus from Dortmund, Germany, said: ‘Good. I’m pleased to hear that the Switzerland has closed the border. This will help Germany. We [Germany] cannot save the world on our own. Already we have taken in so many thousands of refugees.

‘We have had a lot of problems. I don’t know if you know what happened in Cologne on New Years Eve. It only takes a few to cause problems but this was serious.

‘No one minds someone who learns the language and gets a job but it’s the others.

‘Really other [EU] countries should also help.’

Others have called for European countries to act together to solve the migrant crisis.

Student Miriam 24 said: ‘Europe has turned nasty after the Brexit vote. Every country is looking for itself now, that is what I think.

‘But people here in Lombardy [region of Como] are open-minded. I don’t know if the town will become like Ventimiglia. But we have to work together to solve this problem with refugees.’

Tourist Arab Israeli Maher said: ‘I think everyone should be able to travel wherever they want to go. Europe is meant to be a place where you can travel without borders. This should not be just for people from Europe but for everyone from whatever country.’

Music superstar Madonna, fashion house empress Dontella Versace and millionaire entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson are among his many high-rolling neighbours.

Diners at the restaurant on Isola Comacina, Lake Como’s only island, have included Princess Margaret, Kirk Douglas, Barbra Streisand, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone and Elton John.

Banking heir James Rothchild proposed to hotel heiress Nicky Hilton on a boat on the 28-mile lake in the shadow of the Swiss mountains.

Como’s grand Villa d’Este hotel charges up to £2,000-a-night. Previous guests include the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, US President JFK with Marilyn Monroe and more recently although separately Madonna and Bruce Springsteen.

And Robert De Niro rubs shoulders with Clooney over cocktails at the lakeside Harry’s Bar where VIPs can enjoy a drink without fear of being photographed, just a few miles from the border.

Meanwhile African migrants at one hostel have told MailOnline how they were forced to leave Italy because their asylum applications are turned down.

If their demand is rejected they are no longer eligible to the Euro 75 per month subsistence allowance and are evicted from the hostel.

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[I]Shelter: Makeshift camps have sprung up near San Giovanni station as migrants try to cross the border as hundreds of homeless are camping there before making their onwards journeys to Germany and England


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Rubbish: But their presence has spoiled the idyllic surrounding enjoyed by the wealthy inhabitants, they say as litter is strewn everywhere

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Hopes: Ossas, 39, from Nigeria, said: ‘We want a new life in Italy but we have to move on because Italy often does not accept us as refugees. ‘We have all claimed asylum here in Italy but 90 per cent of claims are refused.

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Dreams: Dumbuya, 23, a teacher from Mali, said: 'I had to come to Europe to save my life. ‘I have not seen my family for four years. I just want to start a new life.’

Ossas, 39, from Nigeria, said: ‘We want a new life in Italy but we have to move on because Italy often does not accept us as refugees.
‘We have all claimed asylum here in Italy but 90 per cent of claims are refused.

‘If we are refused we are given seven days to leave the hostel and we no longer receive any money.

‘So we have to sleep in the streets and try to find something to eat. That is why we try to go to other countries.’

Others explained reasons why they risked had their lives to cross the Mediterranean a seek a new life in Europe.

Dumbuya, 23, a teacher from Mali, said: ‘I am from the north of the country where there is war. I had to leave my country because of the war.

‘First I went to Libya and worked there but I was kidnapped by the Islamists and held as a prisoner. I escaped and made my way to the coast.
‘I had to come to Europe to save my life.

‘I have not seen my family for four years. I just want to start a new life.’

Lorry driver Lucky Obera, 29, fled his home in Nigeria after receiving death threats.

He said: ‘I had a crash in my lorry and killed a man. Then his family tried to kill me. I had to escape.

Idris, 23, from Senegal, fled when Islamist rebels tried to force him to become a fighter.

He said: ‘The rebels came to my village and said I had to join them in their fight. I ran away. I made my way to Libya and got on a boat.
‘It was a small rubber boat with a capacity for 80 people. But the smugglers made 150 get on boat.

‘The journey was terrible. We were in the sea for four days. It was hell. Some 30 people died on the journey.

‘Finally on the night of the fourth day we were rescued and taken to Sicily.'

[Sophocles]

Italy sees high level of migratory pressure in June (http://frontex.europa.eu/news/italy-sees-high-level-of-migratory-pressure-in-june-YBsNJn) (excerpt)


Migratory pressure in the Central Mediterranean region remained high in June, with the number of migrants arriving in Italy last month increasing by 24% from the previous month to some 22 500. The total for the first half of this year reached around 69 500, close to the figure from a year ago.

frontex.europa.eu (http://frontex.europa.eu/) 2016-07-19

[Iloveyou]

The matter is too complicated, complex, diverse to be reduced to a merciless clash of opinions. The best one can do is collecting information from all sides, and opinions too, yes - but not getting stuck with a provisional, supposed 'truth'.

I very much appreciate articles like the one above (Bill's post # 93) which provide original (although generalized) statements from various viewpoints in one place (the 'poor' rich with their idyllic sceneries ruined, rightly concerned and scared citizens, directly affected local residents, self-righteous tourists, the celebrities' hypocrisy, migrants (young, strong, yes and apparently still optimistical, many smiling and self-confident) in a desperate situation with no choices, and probably not all of them suitable for 'our' neat, clean, white suburbs. How many of us have ever been in circumstances where one had nothing to lose?

Is it a crime to search for a better life? The propaganda machine of the agents and human traffickers who lure people in direction Europe is something different, of course. Big business. And who, and which agenda is behind that!

Maybe even the most biased, distorted panic-mongering statements and videos serve a purpose of showing the deep-rooted hatred (based on fear, what else?) of large portions of the population against anything that is different.

I have my opinions too, though I'm far from the slightest idea of any workable solution. I'm afraid there is none within the millenia-old but still current political and social paradigm. I just try not to stumble and fall into the too well laid-out traps (in MS- and alternative media) - and if it happens, to climb out of the pit and have a very close look around me.



PS.

On the other hand: Please look at the 'rubbish'- pictures. Since when do migrants carry rusty parts of damaged bicycles, scrap metal, bars and tubes, broken chairs and clothes horses with them? Did you notice the properly lined-up shoes outside the 'tent'? And why do you think the newspaper editor chose to combine the picture of a young girl in shorts with the picture of a group of black migrants? Gosh, I'll stop now before I talk myself in a rage.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

I hate myself when it comes to this issue. I'd be lying if I said that I don't feel some of what was expressed by those residents in the news article above. I know that love is the answer and that empathy is what will be the driving force behind the coming of the new age, but I just struggle so much to maintain that perspective a lot of the time.

[MorningSong]

I live about 2 hours drive from Como (more south and west of me). Here are some other "real" info on what has happened there.

It appears that the problem began on the 10 of July when during the day about 100 refugees arrived at the Como (IT)- Chiasso (CH) border seeking to enter Switzerland with intentions of reaching Germany or other northern European countries. Little did they, the refugees, know that the Ticinese Canton of Switzerland had decided to block all entries of immigrants just 2 weeks earlier. Before that date, they had been letting in 100 refugees every 2 weeks, who were then processed for permits to stay in Switzerland and then sent to various areas within the Ticinese Canton confines. That all abruptly stopped. The Italian authorities in Milan-Como were not forewarned of the Swiss' decision to halt the flow of immigrants.

So, in a very short while, there were several hundred immigrants "camping" at the train station gardens, waiting for their situation to change.

It only took a few days for the word to get out to the various political and charitable organizations who have begun organizing the group, providing them with health care, hygene necessities and clothes, as well as food. Some organizations have distributed food directly to the immigrants. Some organizations have created "soup kitchens" for them. Women with children and unaccompanied minors will be, if they have not already been, taken to temporary lodging. Some 60 or so who had already been processed but had not been granted assylum status have been taken back to southern Italy.... (probably back to a detention camp or sent back "home"). Because the city of Como already has about 2000 immigrants in various accogliance structures awaiting processing, the various organizations are in alert or near emergency crisis level.

http://radioblackout.org/2016/07/si-chiude-la-frontiera-svizzera-immigrati-bloccati-alla-stazione-di-como/

http://www.laprovinciadicomo.it/stories/como-citta/como-emergenza-umanitaria-quaranta-migranti-accampati-nella-zona-della-stazione_1191889_11/

http://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2016/07/12/news/profughi_svizzera_como_stazione-143891692/

The Swiss are now using a drone for border survellance at night.

http://www.laprovinciadicomo.it/stories/como-citta/confine-svizzero-blindatoce-il-drone-anti-migranti_1193490_11/?site_source=MoreSeen-1193490

I don't know where that abandoned building in the pictures of the British article is. It may be on the station premissis but I seriously doubt that the transiting immigrants left all the rubbish there. It does look like very old trash laying about. There may have been homeless people living there before. Or it may just be junk other Italians have thrown out (which is quite common, too). Working my way through several other Italian articles, there were picts of the immigrants with bags of garbage that they themselves had bagged up. The station park looked quite neat even if there were a lot of people out lying on the greens.

http://www.ciaocomo.it/2016/07/21/emergenza-migranti-a-como-via-a-breve-dai-giardini-donne-e-neonati/122402/

http://www.ciaocomo.it/photogallery_new/images/2016/07/tra-i-profughi-alla-stazione-di-como-119979.jpg



EDIT: I forgot to mention that most of those immigrants are from Somalia, Nigeria, Gambia, Sudan and Eritrea... tipical of what we get up here in this area.

[kfm27917]

AfD’s Maximilian Krah on Europe’s political quake

https://asiatimes.com/2024/06/afds-maximilian-krah-on-europes-political-quake/

[Vicus]

A "good" solution...

RT
Fri, 23 Aug 2024

EU member threatens to send migrants to Brussels

Hungary could pay for asylum seekers to travel to Western Europe rather than remain in the country, a senior government official warned on Thursday.

Gergely Gulyas, who heads the office of Prime Minister Viktor Orban, touted the plan as a potential response to penalties imposed on Hungary by the European Court of Justice (ICJ). Last month, the court issued a €200 million ($216 million) fine against Budapest for failing to comply with the EU's rules on refugees and imposes an extra levy of €1 million per day for continued defiance.

"We will offer all migrants at the Hungarian border the opportunity to be transported to Brussels voluntarily and free of charge," Gulyas told journalists. "If Brussels wants migrants, it can have them." :chuckle:

The official described the EU court ruling as a "disgrace" and said it would be reasonable to send migrants "in the direction of Austria and Germany" and have them negotiate their future with the European Commission there.

Hungarian Prime Minister Orban previously slammed the court ruling as "outrageous and unacceptable" and said Budapest would find a way to respond.

The Hungarian government has for years maintained a hard stance on illegal migrants, whom it considers culturally incompatible with Hungarian society. The policy clashes with that of EU members in Western Europe.

During the migrant crisis of 2015, Hungary erected fences along its border with Serbia and Croatia to cut the inflow, similarly to other Eastern European, as well as imposing other restrictions. The ICJ fine relates to a 2020 ruling which ordered Budapest to alter its approach.

If implemented, the Hungarian plan would presumably resemble the way some states in the US deal with immigrants who have crossed the border from Mexico. Southern governors, particularly Gregg Abbott of Texas, have ordered them to be bussed further north to New York City and elsewhere since 2022. Officials argue that since their counterparts in some states support leniency for illegal migrants, they should bear the burden of hosting them in their communities.

https://www.sott.net/article/494265-EU-member-threatens-to-send-migrants-to-Brussels