Would you end contact if it happened?

[mojo]

We don't hear much about past popular UFO/ET contact cases. I'm thinking of Billy Meier, The Italian Friend case, Carlos Diaz, Dr Greer and sure others that die off after having close encounters. I don't understand this mentality and wonder for example why Billy Meier hasn't captured further evidence? Even Dr Greer has made some amazing claims but his evidence is thin. Carlos Diaz posted some amazing stuff, but not in a while. The Italian friendship case based on a grouping of humans making contact just faded away.

Would you walk away from contact? Personally feel truly blessed to have been a witness to amazing contact and it's one of the main driving forces to continue on and to learn more.

[Selkie]

We don't hear much about past popular UFO/ET contact cases. I'm thinking of Billy Meier, The Italian Friend case, Carlos Diaz, Dr Greer and sure others that die off after having close encounters. I don't understand this mentality and wonder for example why Billy Meier hasn't captured further evidence? Even Dr Greer has made some amazing claims but his evidence is thin. Carlos Diaz posted some amazing stuff, but not in a while. The Italian friendship case based on a grouping of humans making contact just faded away.

Would you walk away from contact? Personally feel truly blessed to have been a witness to amazing contact and it's one of the main driving forces to continue on and to learn more.

Having read John Keel, I would absolutely walk away. I would be grateful that I had been contacted, just for the experience, but I would not believe one word "they" have to say. They turn people into their pawns, and I don't like that.

[Shannon]

Yes, I do think about that as well as if they would ever contact me...lol
I also think about how my contact would have went down too....I like to wonder, like, deeply wonder and imagine up stuff *puff*puff* pass, ;p...

But all silliness aside I have to feel a bit like what selkie mentioned. One way I see it is if they were to contact me and reveal themselves to be some human based fantasy myth we all recognize or like the usual meme of an alien, or angel, devil or demon, or reptilian character I would see the running theme of having some people contacting some who look like this grey alien, and some use religious tricks to make their contactees see them as prophets ( beware false prophets) or messengers and such.

I would want to know why I was even being contacted, and if the entity couldn't tell me, I would stop any contact right there. Unless my contact was me catching them doing something benign like walking down the street and/or seeing an entity passing thru dimensions or being in nature, a nice 'hello', or 'whoa! Baby!' And then it was over gone, then hey no big deal, have a good day buddy ....lol

Now, if some entity shows up in my bedroom at night, and wants to take me somewhere, is trying to take me somewhere else or telling me stuff (info) that is rarely if ever is talked about upon first meeting another soul. This would prompt me to kindly ask what they wanted and why...no answer? Kindly gtfo of bedroom creep! Lol. :) good thread mojo !

[Selkie]

Yes, I do think about that as well as if they would ever contact me...lol
I also think about how my contact would have went down too....I like to wonder, like, deeply wonder and imagine up stuff *puff*puff* pass, ;p...

But all silliness aside I have to feel a bit like what selkie mentioned. One way I see if they were to contact me and reveal themselves to be some human based fantasy myth we all recognize or like the usual meme of an alien, or angel, devil or demon, reptilian character I would see the runnig theme of having some people contacting some who look like this grey alien some use religious tricks to make their contactees see them as prophets ( beware false prophets) or messengers and such.

I would want to know why I was even being contacted, and if the entity couldn't tell me, I would stop any contact right there. Unless my contact was me catching them doing something benign like walking down the street and seeing an entity passing they dimensions or being in nature, a hello or whoa! Baby! And then it was over hey no big deal, have a good day buddy ....lol

Now, if some entity shows up in my bedroom at night, and wants to take me somewhere, is trying to take me somewhere else or telling me stuff (info) that is rarely if ever is talked about upon first meeting another soul. This would prompt me to kindly ask what they wanted and why...no answer? Kindly gtfo of bedroom creep! Lol. :) good thread mojo !

I am going from what I've read in John Keel, but the problem with asking them anything is that they are tricksters. They lie. But then again, they might tell you the truth. They might tell you partial truths. They may tell you the truth, just to get you hooked, and then lie the next time. There is no way to tell, and so to me, they are best avoided altogether.

[Shannon]

Yes, I do think about that as well as if they would ever contact me...lol
I also think about how my contact would have went down too....I like to wonder, like, deeply wonder and imagine up stuff *puff*puff* pass, ;p...

But all silliness aside I have to feel a bit like what selkie mentioned. One way I see if they were to contact me and reveal themselves to be some human based fantasy myth we all recognize or like the usual meme of an alien, or angel, devil or demon, reptilian character I would see the runnig theme of having some people contacting some who look like this grey alien some use religious tricks to make their contactees see them as prophets ( beware false prophets) or messengers and such.

I would want to know why I was even being contacted, and if the entity couldn't tell me, I would stop any contact right there. Unless my contact was me catching them doing something benign like walking down the street and seeing an entity passing they dimensions or being in nature, a hello or whoa! Baby! And then it was over hey no big deal, have a good day buddy ....lol

Now, if some entity shows up in my bedroom at night, and wants to take me somewhere, is trying to take me somewhere else or telling me stuff (info) that is rarely if ever is talked about upon first meeting another soul. This would prompt me to kindly ask what they wanted and why...no answer? Kindly gtfo of bedroom creep! Lol. :) good thread mojo !

I am going from what I've read in John Keel, but the problem with asking them anything is that they are tricksters. They lie. But then again, they might tell you the truth. They might tell you partial truths. They may tell you the truth, just to get you hooked, and then lie the next time. There is no way to tell, and so to me, they are best avoided altogether.


Yep that's one of those theories that makes total sense to always keep in mind. Like what you posted, they can't lie to you if you don't give them a chance to.

Also contact can be anything from purely visual sky stuff or manifestation of beings, non verbal and non telepathy, to full on conversation and interaction between entities, I'm just going on my own personal idea of contact and elaborated on mojos question in the op.

To really answer that question with out all the details and speculation of the contact, I would use the same base of dealing with the situation as I would with any relationship. Is this relationship solid, with out agenda and is it mutually beneficial to both parties? Am I being used? Am I using the other party? Is this relationship hurting a third party?

That's how I would go about deciding and if that ended up being a bad situation then common sense says to end it.

[Shannon]

We don't hear much about past popular UFO/ET contact cases. I'm thinking of Billy Meier, The Italian Friend case, Carlos Diaz, Dr Greer and sure others that die off after having close encounters. I don't understand this mentality and wonder for example why Billy Meier hasn't captured further evidence? Even Dr Greer has made some amazing claims but his evidence is thin. Carlos Diaz posted some amazing stuff, but not in a while. The Italian friendship case based on a grouping of humans making contact just faded away.

Would you walk away from contact? Personally feel truly blessed to have been a witness to amazing contact and it's one of the main driving forces to continue on and to learn more.


I don't know why some of these guys walk away, I guess maybe being a called a fraud and constantly being told you're a fraud or a liar can sour people to wanting to report more or they eventually see that revealing it to the public wasn't helping them, I don't know? Good questions though.

You also have to wonder if tptb had them shut up.

[Mike]

Yes, I do think about that as well as if they would ever contact me...lol
I also think about how my contact would have went down too....I like to wonder, like, deeply wonder and imagine up stuff *puff*puff* pass, ;p...

But all silliness aside I have to feel a bit like what selkie mentioned. One way I see if they were to contact me and reveal themselves to be some human based fantasy myth we all recognize or like the usual meme of an alien, or angel, devil or demon, reptilian character I would see the runnig theme of having some people contacting some who look like this grey alien some use religious tricks to make their contactees see them as prophets ( beware false prophets) or messengers and such.

I would want to know why I was even being contacted, and if the entity couldn't tell me, I would stop any contact right there. Unless my contact was me catching them doing something benign like walking down the street and seeing an entity passing they dimensions or being in nature, a hello or whoa! Baby! And then it was over hey no big deal, have a good day buddy ....lol

Now, if some entity shows up in my bedroom at night, and wants to take me somewhere, is trying to take me somewhere else or telling me stuff (info) that is rarely if ever is talked about upon first meeting another soul. This would prompt me to kindly ask what they wanted and why...no answer? Kindly gtfo of bedroom creep! Lol. :) good thread mojo !

I am going from what I've read in John Keel, but the problem with asking them anything is that they are tricksters. They lie. But then again, they might tell you the truth. They might tell you partial truths. They may tell you the truth, just to get you hooked, and then lie the next time. There is no way to tell, and so to me, they are best avoided altogether.


Hey Selkie, I'm not entirely certain, (likely never will be!) but I do wonder sometimes if the entities encountered and dealt with by Keel weren't something all together different from your typical "greys" and/or "reptilians". Their look and behavior seems quite different (which is mainly why I'm so fascinated with his testimony!)

Not that I'd trust a grey or reptilian any more than I'd trust "Indrid Cold", mind you...:wink: Just sayin...

But I'd likely resist contact too. You just don't know what you're dealing with there. But I'd welcome a sighting or 2...that might be kinda cool.

[Becky]

Is it really possible to stop contact even if you wanted to? If someone is being contacted then it's for a reason, and to me it doesn't seem like the person here on earth has a huge amount of choice, even if they think they do...

[Shannon]

Is it really possible to stop contact even if you wanted to? If someone is being contacted then it's for a reason, and to me it doesn't seem like the person here on earth has a huge amount of choice, even if they think they do...

I would hope if I wanted to stop contact with someone, I could. Anything else seems evil like.

Something to think about though...

[Selkie]

Yes, I do think about that as well as if they would ever contact me...lol
I also think about how my contact would have went down too....I like to wonder, like, deeply wonder and imagine up stuff *puff*puff* pass, ;p...

But all silliness aside I have to feel a bit like what selkie mentioned. One way I see if they were to contact me and reveal themselves to be some human based fantasy myth we all recognize or like the usual meme of an alien, or angel, devil or demon, reptilian character I would see the runnig theme of having some people contacting some who look like this grey alien some use religious tricks to make their contactees see them as prophets ( beware false prophets) or messengers and such.

I would want to know why I was even being contacted, and if the entity couldn't tell me, I would stop any contact right there. Unless my contact was me catching them doing something benign like walking down the street and seeing an entity passing they dimensions or being in nature, a hello or whoa! Baby! And then it was over hey no big deal, have a good day buddy ....lol

Now, if some entity shows up in my bedroom at night, and wants to take me somewhere, is trying to take me somewhere else or telling me stuff (info) that is rarely if ever is talked about upon first meeting another soul. This would prompt me to kindly ask what they wanted and why...no answer? Kindly gtfo of bedroom creep! Lol. :) good thread mojo !

I am going from what I've read in John Keel, but the problem with asking them anything is that they are tricksters. They lie. But then again, they might tell you the truth. They might tell you partial truths. They may tell you the truth, just to get you hooked, and then lie the next time. There is no way to tell, and so to me, they are best avoided altogether.


Hey Selkie, I'm not entirely certain, (likely never will be!) but I do wonder sometimes if the entities encountered and dealt with by Keel weren't something all together different from your typical "greys" and/or "reptilians". Their look and behavior seems quite different (which is mainly why I'm so fascinated with his testimony!)

Not that I'd trust a grey or reptilian any more than I'd trust "Indrid Cold", mind you...:wink: Just sayin...

But I'd likely resist contact too. You just don't know what you're dealing with there. But I'd welcome a sighting or 2...that might be kinda cool.

What I wonder is if the "grey" meme came into being with Whitley Strieber? The phenomenon is reflective, after all. In other words, when was the first known instance of someone being "abducted" by the "greys"? Who was it; when did it happen; what happened to them?...that kind of thing.

I really think the phenomenon can be approached rationally, objectively and dispassionately, like Keel did. In other words, neither "believing" nor "disbelieving" is necessary, not to mention that that kind of duality is totally unproductive.

[Selkie]

Is it really possible to stop contact even if you wanted to? If someone is being contacted then it's for a reason, and to me it doesn't seem like the person here on earth has a huge amount of choice, even if they think they do...

I would hope if I wanted to stop contact with someone, I could. Anything else seems evil like.

Something to think about though...

Yes, it does seem evil. In fact, from a human perspective, it is evil.

Not to go off on my favorite obsession, but that kind of behavior, when engaged in by humans, falls under the heading of psychopathic. The similarity of the behavior of the greys/archons to the behavior of psychopaths is pretty plain, in my eyes :focus:

[NeedleThreader]

Hey guys, when it comes to the ETs, nobody really knows what is going on. To simply state these beings are 'bad' and/or 'good' is painting a really black and white picture that nobody can really back up.

It has always been interesting to me that when people talk about ETs, they always fall into races that are very animalistic (i.e. reptilian, avian, humanoid etc) in nature and can be imagined easily by the human brain. The Ruiner has recently talked about some of these as if they were real. What if these beings, if they were in psychical form, were so bizarre that our brains couldn't comprehend what it was looking at? Maybe thats why we haven't had more conclusive, coherent experiences that added up into a theory that can concretely answer these burning questions we have as a species right now.

I have personally been to several CE-5, a la Steven Greer meetings. They were truly fascinating. The idea is to create a circle of people and 'funnel' positive energy and love towards the skies, to yes, 'summon' for lack of a better word what comes next. Crafts can be seen flying through the stratosphere when some of them send down a blast of pure bright, white light down to the group and WOW what a feeling that is! Its like a huge cosmic wink.

At another meeting, before it was even dark out and before we even sat down to meditate for a bit, the "Golden Ship" LEGIT hovered over us (this is in Western Massachusetts) and soared over the tree line to the south of us. It really WAS shiny freakin' gold and wow, people were so hyped up that someone was asking: "Who should we send as a representative??" The 'leader' of the group said that we should not pursue it, even though it did look like it was making to land in the woods some mile and half away. There was an amazing feeling of palpable love in my veins that evening and I was convinced that these beings are telling us that 'the message' is about raising the vibration of humanity and bringing as much peace and love into our reality as possible. My mother was with me during this session and still tells people about it today.

I no longer need to go to these sessions and AM NOT pushing anything Steven Greer. I can now create my own sightings and did so with just one friend two weekends ago near Brattleboro, VT and we got the BIGGEST white flash from a craft Ive seen yet. We freaked!

Annnnnyway, so those are just some of my experiences with ET sightings. I have been visited personally in lucid 'visitation' dreams throughout my life and have had the amazing fortune to have had invisible helpers along the way that create miracles beyond the imagination.

So when people talk about ETs being negative I just look at my own experiences that justifies there is a SERIOUS benevolent force out there that rewards courage towards creating a positive future. They are trying to help us overcome ourselves. It pains me to hear people pass judgement on the situation when they have only read literature, or listened t someone else talk regarding the subject and have nothing to draw from personally.

[Shannon]

That's pretty friggin rad...^^^^

[Violet3]

Good to hear the positive side. Maybe we do get what we expect.

[ghostrider]

Edward still meets with the plejaren every Sunday, the reason for no longer taking photos is they planned to stop photos in 1995 with the coming age of computers and PhotoShop, they stick with evidence pre- computers and pre-digital age ... The point was to get humanity thinking about UFOs on a world wide mass scale, which they have done ... The spiritual teaching is more important than photos, those who will believe will, and those who won't will not ...they have been grooming us for 13,500 years , to accept we are not alone in the universe... Even today most on earth don't believe in other humans that are smarter, live longer and are further along in technology to be able to build a dimension door and cross universe barriers, and understand reincarnation and the 7 steps of evolution, and time travel giving them exact data about earth history ...

[crosby]

i am looking for more contact. it scares me - but i am willing to open myself up - - and i am afraid at the same time. thank you for asking....
warmest,
crosby

[amor]

The stories I have been reading about masses of people running in the streets to get on to a UFO, this a supposed vision in the future, and peopled taken on board and programmed with jobs to do in the future upon command, only confirms my suspicion that we are being set up as future HUMAN HAMBURGER FOR ALIENS.

[Sunny-side-up]

It all depends on who it was, it's a big place out there, there and there, many, many possible interesting entities and beings ha!

Some can go twist while others would be very welcome as friends!

[Carmody]

We don't hear much about past popular UFO/ET contact cases. I'm thinking of Billy Meier, The Italian Friend case, Carlos Diaz, Dr Greer and sure others that die off after having close encounters. I don't understand this mentality and wonder for example why Billy Meier hasn't captured further evidence? Even Dr Greer has made some amazing claims but his evidence is thin. Carlos Diaz posted some amazing stuff, but not in a while. The Italian friendship case based on a grouping of humans making contact just faded away.

Would you walk away from contact? Personally feel truly blessed to have been a witness to amazing contact and it's one of the main driving forces to continue on and to learn more.

Having read John Keel, I would absolutely walk away. I would be grateful that I had been contacted, just for the experience, but I would not believe one word "they" have to say. They turn people into their pawns, and I don't like that.

After a certain point, intelligence combines with knowledge and there is no need to lord it over people. That is purely a scarcity mentality. The more developed a race is, the less nasty they are.

In our current state of underdevelopment, we see others as potentially nasty. After all, we project what we know.

The sad thing for sci-fi fans, is that the future will look nothing like their projected fantasies.

The moment of positive growth inflection spurs an explosive level of shift... in an open caring, simpler direction. Intelligence and capacity begets intelligence and capacity. logarithmically, if you will.

We are inches away from that. We are on the brink. It will not be a clean break, that is fantasy, nor will it be terminal, that is fantasy.

This is why those who lord it over you are not super intelligent nor super developed. They are merely a few steps a head of you, and in some ways, more backward, more animal.

My personal experience tells me that after an IQ of approximately 200, there is no need to be physical, or tied to this mess.

Getting there requires a form of mental shift that is not akin to insanity but is directly related to insanity, the erasure of self as programmed at birth, so it is going to be a messy insane affair, for the individual. Literally. What we've got is a world ---entering that condition. The entire wold, individually and collectively... must go mad and empty itself, so the new can get in.

One can chose to go animal safe and chose slavery or being a master of slaves (safe and probably deeper into it).... or reprogram the self (in the moment and face of self insanity and rebuild) and go free.

Chose wisely.

Psychopaths and sociopaths in the backdrop have to resort to violence, secrecy, veils, tribalism, and so on, all to keep people from entering the direction of explosive growth in intelligence and freedom. The line about being able to clear oneself from this mess in one single lifetime is abundantly true.

All on has to do is realize self fully and gently pry the claws and hooks of the biological avatar from the give self and drop the emotions and the instincts, and it all begins to clear up.

If they stop burning you with the cigarette, and threatening the rest with fire and death, you will relax.... and begin to enter into the understanding that the load...all of it...... is a self inflicted lie.

[Selkie]

We don't hear much about past popular UFO/ET contact cases. I'm thinking of Billy Meier, The Italian Friend case, Carlos Diaz, Dr Greer and sure others that die off after having close encounters. I don't understand this mentality and wonder for example why Billy Meier hasn't captured further evidence? Even Dr Greer has made some amazing claims but his evidence is thin. Carlos Diaz posted some amazing stuff, but not in a while. The Italian friendship case based on a grouping of humans making contact just faded away.

Would you walk away from contact? Personally feel truly blessed to have been a witness to amazing contact and it's one of the main driving forces to continue on and to learn more.

Having read John Keel, I would absolutely walk away. I would be grateful that I had been contacted, just for the experience, but I would not believe one word "they" have to say. They turn people into their pawns, and I don't like that.

After a certain point, intelligence combines with knowledge and there is no need to lord it over people. That is purely a scarcity mentality. The more developed a race is, the less nasty they are.

In our current state of underdevelopment, we see others as potentially nasty. After all, we project what we know.

The sad thing for sci-fi fans, is that the future will look nothing like their projected fantasies.

The moment of positive growth inflection spurs an explosive level of shift... in an open caring, simpler direction. Intelligence and capacity begets intelligence and capacity. logarithmically, if you will.

We are inches away from that. We are on the brink. It will not be a clean break, that is fantasy, nor will it be terminal, that is fantasy.

This is why those who lord it over you are not super intelligent nor super developed. They are merely a few steps a head of you, and in some ways, more backward, more animal.

My personal experience tells me that after an IQ of approximately 200, there is no need to be physical, or tied to this mess.

Psychopaths and sociopaths in the backdrop have to resort to violence, secrecy, veils, tribalism, and so on, all to keep people from entering the direction of explosive growth in intelligence and freedom. The line about being able to clear oneself from this mess in one single lifetime is abundantly true.

All on has to do is realize self fully and gently pry the claws and hooks of the biological avatar from the give self and drop the emotions and the instincts, and it all begins to clear up.

If they stop burning you with the cigarette, and threatening the rest with fire and death, you will relax.... and begin to enter into the understanding that the load...all of it...... is a self inflicted lie.

Unfortunately, way too many people have had their lives ruined by listening to the Ultraterrestrials.

I totally agree with this addition Carmody made to his post, however,


Getting there requires a form of mental shift that is not akin to insanity but is directly related to insanity, the erasure of self as programmed at birth, so it is going to be a messy insane affair, for the individual. Literally. What we've got is a world ---entering that condition. The entire wold, individually and collectively... must go mad and empty itself, so the new can get in.

One can chose to go animal safe and chose slavery or being a master of slaves (safe and probably deeper into it).... or reprogram the self (in the moment and face of self insanity and rebuild) and go free.

Chose wisely.

But I would add that no one has to listen to the Ultraterrestrials in order to do so.

[Carmody]

oh yes, just saying,...something I feel needs be said...

I saw your signature once, when I was not signed in one time. I was deeply offended... and I believe... for all the right reasons.

IMO, Your signature should be said, once, even more than once, if you feel so..but.. IMO, not persist as constant statement after every post.

I've no idea what a claim of such a word as "Ultraterrestrial" is.

Sounds like some sort of NLP wording of something.

[Selkie]

The Ultraterrestrials is the name John Keel gives to what most people call ETs. He calls them that because according to his research, they are not extraterrestrial at all, but a part of the natural condition of the planet. He theorizes that they inhabit what he calls the superspectrum, which is the spectrum he theorizes is beyond the whole electromagnetic spectrum that we are all familiar with...in other words, that they are extra-dimensional. He says that they were here before us, and that they have always been here, plus they are a natural part of our environment, hence his name for them, the Ultraterrestrials.

[Selkie]

oh yes, just saying,...something I feel needs be said...

I saw your signature once, when I was not signed in one time. I was deeply offended... and I believe... for all the right reasons.

IMO, Your signature should be said, once, even more than once, if you feel so..but.. IMO, not persist as constant statement after every post.

I've no idea what a claim of such a word as "Ultraterrestrial" is.

Sounds like some sort of NLP wording of something.

My signature is none of your business.

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addition As for the term "Ultraterrestrial", see my explanation in post #22, above ^^^.

[Zampano]

I had my 2 clear UFO sightings at daylight and at the second one I was able to direct this big white shimmering "thing" in a direction.
Blue sky, it made the manoeuvre immediately...I didnt even finished my thought to go there.
I think for me, it was not about "direct" contact, but more a...Hello, we are here. Deal with it, it helps you in your consciousness.

Broaden your horizon, incorporate it in your every day consciousness, which is feeding the whole human experience on earth.
Or breathairians, I met 2 of them and I know it is possible. Should I live this way? (People living on Prana and eat no food)
For me, no. But its possible and again becomes rooted in the Collective human experience.


Thats the way how organic evolution is taking place