Sweden just completed its "party leader debate" in Swedish television

[WhiteLove]

We have the left wing - Vänsterpartiet, Socialdemokraterna and Miljöpartiet and we have the right wing - Kristdemokraterna, Folkpartiet, Centern, Moderaterna and Sverigedemokraterna.

The topics included e.g. the immigration situation, the housing crisis, the environment/energy situation, the private loan debts crisis and Nato membership.

Here is my review on it. The left wing - who also currently has the majority of the people's votes - is the more grounded, less dangerous, however a bit more conservative side. The right wing is quite scary in many respects. Especially the Kristdemokraterna (Christ Democrats) have taken a surprisingly cold position, given that they should be the party that is expected to deliver signs of the "most warm" values behind their arguments. They wanted to move from permanent to temporary rights for immigrants to stay in the country, they wanted to join Nato and were totally living in a Swedish media reality, very scary.

In fact I found that among all of these parties, it was actually the most left wing party - Vänsterpariet - who most clearly presented arguments aligned to Christ love values. They talked about having open arms towards immigrants, to make them permanently welcome, to give them hope for the future, to avoid Nato membership etc.

Sverigedemokraterna, who is the most right wing party and hence is the party that basically wants to throw out all immigrants and build a race based nationalistic society, actually managed to counter all of the dangerous stuff presented by the right wing, so tonight the left wing gained a lot from them.

I have seen many debates, but this is one of the strongest ones carried out by the leading party Socialdemokraterna. Their leader Stefan Löfven had very well grounded arguments throughout the whole debate, all kinds of silly stuff was thrown against him by Moderaterna, and he always found great arguments.

Here is how I rank the parties, seen from the perspective of what values would cause the greatest positive change and awakening in this country:

1. Vänsterpartiet

2. Miljöpartiet

3. Socialdemokraterna

4. Centern

5. Folkpartiet

6. Kristdemokraterna

7. Sverigedemokraterna

Vänsterpartiet led by Jonas Sjöstedt, is my favorite party, because it is in my view the party with the most loving and most authentic ideas and values. Right now it really stands out from the rest in the sense that it clearly wants to make major positive changes towards a warm, open, modern, responsible and fun society. It is the opposite to Moderaterna, who basically wants an unfair cold unsecure money driven society.

I think the world should pay attention to Sweden's left wing party "Vänsterpartiet" right now, they do have very sound ideas and values. Jonas is again and again taking the anti-Cabal position by extremely accurately pointing out what the issues are, I'm impressed. It is this party that wants to cut down on the number of work hours per day.

The parties are overall showing open arms to people in need who want to migrate there, some are prepared to provide equal conditions, some are not. Overall, Sweden's political direction has improved lately. There are a number of reforms that will resolve a number of issues. More houses built will mean that the housing crisis is addressed and the loans will not keep rising even more aggressively. The social system is starting to re-gain some of the money it lost to private corporate interest groups, which means a more warm hand to the weak and old people.

And there is a chance that Vänsterpartiet is gradually going to improve its authority level, I think the chances are good for that because they have a strong leader who is consistently strong. So all in all, it's kind of positive, we are starting to see some more light at the end of the tunnel compared to when the right wing party Moderaterna was in charge - which was a time of darkness.

:thumbsup:

[grannyfranny100]

My impression of Sweden's culture is more and more of a hive mind mentality. The government processes have given people a sense of security and dependency. But the brighter and more creative people feel more stifled as the government becomes more controlling. Sometimes I have watched some shows where people leave to llve with more freedom in other European countries.

The Moderaterna sound like our Republican Party which is so tightly aligned with the corporate interests. These forces want to continue greater and greater control of the masses. Do you see any similarities?

[WhiteLove]

My impression of Sweden's culture is more and more of a hive mind mentality. The government processes have given people a sense of security and dependency. But the brighter and more creative people feel more stifled as the government becomes more controlling. Sometimes I have watched some shows where people leave to llve with more freedom in other European countries.

The Moderaterna sound like our Republican Party which is so tightly aligned with the corporate interests. These forces want to continue greater and greater control of the masses. Do you see any similarities?

This is a very sharp analyzis, you are right on the dot. What differs between Moderaterna and the Republicans a little, is that I would say that Moderaterna are a bit more slim/slippery/facade/knowledge/money oriented, whereas the Republicans are a bit more straight on the dot. This I think has to do with the fact that Christian values are slightly more present among the Republicans, so although both have their focus on the money primarily, the Republicans are a bit more "loud and bold" within certain value frames, while the Moderaterna are a bit more calculating and just very very liberal. But other than that they are quite similar, both love money almost like their Gods and both are OK with military/weapon force. Both have a hard time respecting and putting the poor before themselves.

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In the 70:s and 80:s I was much into politics touring in the trade-unions making musical shows to create debate on different topics that were discussed at the moment. We were finally stopped by the right-winged forces in the Social democrats for rising the environmental issue quoting The Speech of Seattle, reading loud out of "Metallarbetaren" "The Metal Worker" about the Hudson institute where companies could be guided how to "come to turns" with pple in 3:rd world countries demanding decent salaries and working conditions f.i. The analysis was also that the biggest threat towards the multinational companies was the environmentalists because you can always buy the traditional worker with higher salary but not someone who wants clean air and time to spend with their loved ones.

Many years I voted for the Left- Vänsterpartiet- that earlier was a communist party and I was a communist until I was made aware of the truth about Stalin, the Bankers and the Military industrial Complex always having financed both sides in all big conflicts from Napoleon, WW1, WW2 an onwards.

I've then voted for the environmentalist Miljöpartiet for some years but am now considering going back to Vänsterpartiet which is no longer a communist party but like the early Socialdemocrats fighting for the underdog, women's rihgts etc.

Big problem in Swedish politics i think is the total lack of a spiritual perspective. It's almost taboo to mention this in the public domain or you will be looked upon as not reliable/realistic. And as WhiteLove stated, the party that call themselves Kristdemokraterna is no more than Moderates without "Krist" and synchronistically their new female leaders name is "Bush Thor" Thor is the thunder God of the old pagan religion in Sweden, and Bush..well you already know...

What I have a problem with is that no politician is really speaking out about the "Shadow Illuminaty Govt". I mean, they must at least know about the conspiracy theroies out there and as long as pple don't understand who the true villains are they will continue voting for the constantly growing Swedish Democrats now 20% of the voices with their roots in the "White Power Nazi Movement" who constantly put the weak against eachother, elderly and poor Swedes against fugitifs.

I used to be very close to the leaders in the Left party, we made a record with Latin American songs in Swedish and a rock version of Weill/Brecht on their record company touring before elections f.i and I've been thinking maybe i could somehow get in touch with Jonas Sjöstedt (his brother actually used to have an allotment growing veggies next to mine) asking about this. At the same time I know if I mention I'm an astrologer and believe in reincarnation I would be regarded as "not reliable" - all this has made me stay out of politics lately.

Also the issue with the European Union is a delicate one. I was working heavily against it at the time and now it's only the Swedish "Democrats" that want out! "However one turns your bum will be behind" as the Swedish saying goes and it's like the famous singer/poet Evert Taube long ago wrote "It is war and politics that have destroyed our Earth:

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...but ending with little Karin saying: Here is the beautiful summer i promised you. Evert was also an early Environmentalist and also wrote a dedication to all women holding life together during and after WW1.