Don't Date An Abductee

[DNA]

I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee. I'm going to use examples from Dr. Karla Turner, and then maybe even a personal experience or two. I'm not trying to demonize those experiencing a legitimate problem, but to note the dangers involved with their on-going situation, and to those who are in their close proximity.

Dr. Karla Turner wrote three books, "Into The Fringe", "Taken" and "Masquerade Of Angels". After her first book "Into the Fringe" she noted in her second book "Taken" how folks of whom were being abducted were then being abducted by the Military and it was here Dr. Karla Turner states she was threatened with death if she continued as were many of the abductees who talked to Dr. Karla Turner of their experiences by the military. It's also worth noting that Dr. Karla Turner died while working on her fourth book of an extremely aggressive cancer that killed her within months of learning she had it. For those taking her work seriously the timing of the cancer felt more like an assassination than a course of nature.


Dr. Karla Turner's first book centers around the strange phenomenon associated with her specific abductions and what she and her husband and son were going through. Dr. Karla Turner noted the strange happenings in her home, and most notably the strange markings on her family's bodies when they would wake up in the morning. Strange scratch marks on shoulders and behind arms and on the back, in places where a sleeping person would not be able to reach and further not really perform with human finger nails.

The strange area I would like to address is often not talked about.
Dr. Karla Turner mentioned several times how folks visiting her house would wake up after a nights sleep with many of the same scratch marks on their body that she and her family would wake up from.

I now move on to some experiences I've recently had.

My sister recently got married this year.
Her husband is a pretty cool guy.
At the beginning of September I found myself in that circumstance of knowing my job was coming to an end. I and my wife chose this event to make our move out of the big city we live in and into a much more desolate unpopulaed area where we are now living.
But in order for things to move smoothly we needed my wife to go ahead and move at the beginning of September and I stayed at my sister's for the remaining month.

During this stay I woke up with strange scratch marks on the back of my upper arm, in an area I simply could not reach. The marks were obviously scratches left by what looked like a hand.
This was fairly shocking to me, for I had never experienced anything like this before.
I talked to my sister's husband one on one, and asked him if he had ever experienced waking up with anything like this before. His answer was yes, and that this had happened quite a bit over the course of his entire life.
Further more after further questioning, he told me that he frequently had dreams with robed figures who were performing ceremonies involving human sacrifices, and that he was an observer in the dream watching the hooded figures performing the ceremony and the sacrifice.
I then asked my sister about waking up with scratches or marks on her body.
She looked at me wide eyed and stated "yes", and that she couldn't figure out how they got there short of the cat jumping in her bed with her through the course of the night.
My sister explained how the scratches were on places on her body she could not possibly reach through the course of a nights sleep, and further these scratches all started after she moved in with her current husband and that they had never happened through the course of her life.


Now back to Karla Turner.
Dr. Karla Turner's hypnotic regressions were to show that her abductions were in fact reptilian in nature, and that the scratches were due to the rough handling with reptilian hands that had claws on them.

Since leaving my sister's house, I've not had a single incidence of this happening, and I think it worth noting that I've never had an incident like this happen before sleeping in my sister's house.



For those interested, this interview with Dr. Karla Turner is one of the best I've ever heard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayLasHNlh4U

[Shannon]

But, Abductees need love too....:)

[Inmortal719]

I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee.

Being close to and dating is different!! Misleading title ;)


But, Abductees need love too....
That was cute! Thumbs up :thumbsup:

[Marikins]

I wonder if the paranormal community and abductee analysts are looking at intersecting phenomena. Paranormal folks talk about three claw marks always on the back, back of arms, back of legs. They say the three marks are to mock the Holy Trinity. Sounds similar to DNA's post.

Another similarity is the sleep paralysis.

[Bill Ryan]

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That has to be a contender for the Avalon Thread Title of the Month Award. :)

And a great title for a book!

(I'm an abductee, too. I guess all is lost! :bigsmile: )

[Shannon]

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That has to be a contender for the Avalon Thread Title of the Month Award. :)

And a great title for a book!

(I'm an abductee, too. I guess all is lost! :bigsmile: )


Are you an abductee, Bill? No kidding, I had no clue. Is there a thread here where you've shared any of your experiences? If you have that is.

*ill search for it, lol just wouldn't know what to look for title wise, I didn't mean it like a jerk :)

I am not an experiencer per say, but I think I was witness to my friend being abducted (repeatedly and often) growing up as kids. I never saw a ufo or aliens but I witness some weird chit, that I will share eventually and she confided in me along with her little brother. I believe now the goings on in that house is what broke up her parents and caused her whole family to move across the country.

That said, I am very sympathetic to the stress and confusion of what happens to abductees at different stages and am interested in their individual stories. Fascinating stuff.

[Bubu]

I want to date an alien

[Shannon]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

[Bubu]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

greys need love too...

[Shannon]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

greys need love too...

Oh snap!!! Lmao!

[Tyy1907]

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Don't think that worked. Anyway Google Rila Fukushima
My money would be on Rila Fukushima as being a grey hybrid.
What u think Bubu?

[DNA]

I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee.

Being close to and dating is different!! Misleading title ;)


So in your rush to be the second poster on the thead and increase your likes you read the first line and made a comment without reading the rest of the thread. God we need more folks like you posting on Avalon! :thumbsdown:



I wonder if the paranormal community and abductee analysts are looking at intersecting phenomena. Paranormal folks talk about three claw marks always on the back, back of arms, back of legs. They say the three marks are to mock the Holy Trinity. Sounds similar to DNA's post.

Another similarity is the sleep paralysis.

Thank you Marikins for your post. It was the only post on this thread to hold any merit up to this point. I had never heard the deal with the scratch marks coming in threes, and for the record this was exactly how mine was, three distinct scratches.

For the record I don't think all abductees are alike, or their experiences. But I will say this, there is one common denominator.
The abductees are given a sense of purpose and feel as if they are somehow special or chosen because of their abduction.
Dr. Karla Turner talked about one of her regressions about an abduction that took place when she was a child.
In this abduction she was told by a large Mantis type alien in a dialogue, that she was the child of the Mantis Alien, and that the Mantis Alien was her mother. Karla Turner did not believe this at all, in fact she considered it a falsehood so that it would foster some kind of trust from her in the abductors. Does this sound familiar at all? It should for those who have read the Simon Parks material. Simon talks about this as if it were true, and it seems the desired result of creating a sense of loyalty to the abductors worked for Parks. In my opinion Parks is absolutely telling the truth about his abductions in so far as he is concerned, but I would not trust the agenda coming from parks, because it is an Alien agenda.
Dr. Turner stated do not trust what you are told in the abductions.
According to Turner, much of what is said is stated in a screen memory.
Dr. Turner used to call it a form of technological virtual reality.
One needs a practiced regression therapist to get past these screen memories.

The truth is often quite,,,horrible.
There appears to be REAL danger in being abducted. And if one is only being abducted because one is sleeping next to a regular abductee, then I think this danger is relevant and something that should be discussed.

And Further, it seems to me that we should be talking about the responsibility of an abductee to try and not put anyone else in harms way on that account.

You would want someone to tell you they had HERPES if you they were about to sleep with you. Right?
I think this question is just as valid.


I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!
I welcome debate on this topic, but the fact remains, if your personal sovereignty has been violated, how can this be called anything other than negative or evil.

[sigma6]

I can't believe something done without your knowledge or against your will or without your consent can ever be a good thing... I also don't agree with the cattle farm analogy... that just doesn't apply to humans... it's well known in psychology conditioning in humans works better when you explain the "program" to them...

Thus the "cattle farm" analogy doesn't apply and doesn't explain the phenomena adequately imo...

[kirolak]

Very disturbing. . . but how does one broach the topic when someone "shows an interest" in one? Most people would see it as a really lame sort of rejection line, wouldn't they? And many abductees are uncertain of the validity of their own experiences.

[TelosianEmbrace]

I'm an abductee and I'm proud of it! Now that could be a good motto for a bumper sticker!

My abductee years stretched from the onset of puberty to around fifteen years ago. I met and interacted with what I was made to believe were my children, but I no longer trust those memories as valid.

I am currently in contact with another contactee. It is a multigenerational case with indicators of a stereotypical series of abductions by greys involving the farming of genetic material for grey hybridisation. I won't disclose any more information on this case at present until given permission.

Back on topic. My abductions were extremely difficult on many levels; emotional, psychological and physical. I simply was no fun to be around for many years. I was screwed up! I have no problem in believing that any abductors would take two for one if the opportunity presented itself.

On the other side, I have gained an inner strength and courage that I could never have had otherwise, and a confidence and wisdom in helping other experiencers come to terms with what has happened to them. Trying to find the truth behind these occurences is never ending. I feel there is still so much that I haven't been able to uncover, and must be happy enough with the little I already know.

DNA, best of wishes for you if you wish to uncover those memories. Reptilians play hard.

[Shannon]

DNA:
Thank you Marikins for your post. It was the only post on this thread to hold any merit up to this point. I had never heard the deal with the scratch marks coming in threes, and for the record this was exactly how mine was, three distinct scratches.

For the record I don't think all abductees are alike, or their experiences. But I will say this, there is one common denominator.
The abductees are given a sense of purpose and feel as if they are somehow special or chosen because of their abduction.
Dr. Karla Turner talked about one of her regressions about an abduction that took place when she was a child.
In this abduction she was told by a large Mantis type alien in a dialogue, that she was the child of the Mantis Alien, and that the Mantis Alien was her mother. Karla Turner did not believe this at all, in fact she considered it a falsehood so that it would foster some kind of trust from her in the abductors. Does this sound familiar at all? It should for those who have read the Simon Parks material. Simon talks about this as if it were true, and it seems the desired result of creating a sense of loyalty to the abductors worked for Parks. In my opinion Parks is absolutely telling the truth about his abductions in so far as he is concerned, but I would not trust the agenda coming from parks, because it is an Alien agenda.
Dr. Turner stated do not trust what you are told in the abductions.
According to Turner, much of what is said is stated in a screen memory.
Dr. Turner used to call it a form of technological virtual reality.
One needs a practiced regression therapist to get past these screen memories.

The truth is often quite,,,horrible.
There appears to be REAL danger in being abducted. And if one is only being abducted because one is sleeping next to a regular abductee, then I think this danger is relevant and something that should be discussed.

And Further, it seems to me that we should be talking about the responsibility of an abductee to try and not put anyone else in harms way on that account.

You would want someone to tell you they had HERPES if you they were about to sleep with you. Right?
I think this question is just as valid.


I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!
I welcome debate on this topic, but the fact remains, if your personal sovereignty has been violated, how can this be called anything other than negative or evil.

I don't see a debate coming from me, cause I happen to agree, there is no "good" abductions. Imo, they are all trickery and terror...starting as children and into adulthood it (they?) mess with people. I've read "into the the fringe" and "masquerade", dr turner was a brave and determined woman. The loss of her research and investigations was, to me, a huge blow to the community and humanity.

I do agree, that if an abductee knows they could put someone at risk they have to disclose it. But that's tricky, cause they run the risk of sounding insane, and ultimately ending up alone anyway. Which is sad.


But what are people who do know abductees to do?

what does your sister think about the whole thing? Is she worried or scared? I'm sorry if my first few comments came off as flippant. I care about this subject and find it to be one of those "phenomenon's" that is written off so fast as something else. I know it can be confused with sleep paralysis but there's so many people who have experienced this that I can't say they are all lying or confusing memories with dreams.

I snuck out of my house and sat on my bike, outside of my friends house, with a camera and a huge video camera from the 80's in 1991 (I was 13) talking on walkie talkies with her in her room waiting for someone or something to go down. I wanted to keep her safe. I was scared for her and her brother. I didn't know exactly what or who she was scared of but I wasn't scared at all of who or what, because I kinda didn't believe her, fully. That's the closest I was to an abductee. Just my childhood best friend, and I wish I could have done more.

[astridmari]

I have been abducted. The first time I am aware of was when I woke up while some being just sucked me out of my body and took off with me. I woke up from a pain in my right leg beneath the knee. This spot aced to and fro after that. Always the pain in the same spot that woke me up. I said "no, no, no" and the being could not take me away any further or if it was a screen memory of me getting off the hook.
After that many times. Very kind, very gentle being but at the same time - it was an violation. It/she later showed me things - and every time when I got counscious about what happened I sad no and came back to my bed. Perhaps that was stupid of me not to go any further - fun flying around in space looking at stars but I did not like the violation. The only information I remeber now is that she/it said pain is not necessary, she wanted to show me this but I reacted very emotionally and thought it horrendous when so many people suffer here on earth. I beleived then that suffering at least was there to learn from, that it was meaningful. So maybe you need to be a bit cooler to be a success abductee than I was. :)
I think you are obliged to tell your partner about these things. They must have a choice even if they don´t beleive in aliens.

[Bill Ryan]

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That has to be a contender for the Avalon Thread Title of the Month Award. :)

And a great title for a book!

(I'm an abductee, too. I guess all is lost! :bigsmile: )


Are you an abductee, Bill? No kidding, I had no clue.

Yes I am. I claim the world's abduction altitude record — at 20,000 ft at the foot of Makalu, the 5th highest mountain in the world, in Nepal, in Dec 1981. I was taken out of my tent and levitated across the glacier in the middle of the night to a disk.

This photo was taken a few days later, after I'd returned to base camp, exhausted and suddenly demoralized for no good reason at the time, after I'd been the strongest climber on the expedition. I just gave up, the morning after the abduction happened.

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Sherpa_Nepal_Makalu_expedition_Dec_1981_sm.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!


It's a REALLY good question. Some truly are malevolent (or, at least, dispassionately regarding the abductee as some kind of resource and nothing else).

But actually, I do believe my experience was positive (though very disruptive to my life in some ways — especially in the years that followed the abduction, when everything was turned upside down).

There's a pretty big backstory to all this, some of which I'm still uncovering, over 30 years later. I think I have most of it now... but it's not easily believable, and is impossible to prove (of course). It might take quite a long time for me to lay it all out clearly.

[Becky]

I think it's possible for an abductee to have a long term partner/marriage and their partner /spouse never know anything about it, or really have a clue...they may be aware of some anomalies going on, but shrug it off, after all a persons 3D world is all-consuming.

I understand your warnings/fears, DNA, but i also think it's a very sensitive topic as abductee's have such varying degrees of awareness themselves, and this would potentially be devastating if their partner left them because they felt they could not cope with the situation. I've known people who've kept it from family and friends and their partner for decades and decades....ultimately, if someone is aware of being an abductee, and their partner is fearful or closed about the situation, then ultimately it's best for the abductee to find a more supportive and understanding, and less fearful partner.

And of course it depends on the type of et/milab/whatever contact. Some types of contact/abductions are far less subtle than others, clearly.

[Inmortal719]

Posted by DNA
So in your rush to be the second poster on the thead and increase your likes you read the first line and made a comment without reading the rest of the thread. God we need more folks like you posting on Avalon! :thumbsdown:



My apologies, I did not mean to offend anyone but you're wrong, I did read the whole thing, I do not know much about the subject but wanted to know why someone wouldn't date (in this case be close to) an abductee?, is it dangerous and why? unfortunately I could not add anything useful, I'm sorry, but regarding your last post, I remember that I think I heard of abductions in where the abductees were cured of diseases they had.. They had physical pains or diseases and right after they were abducted, also leaving marks of some sort of surgical operations, they were cured..
Anyone has a record of that?

[Becky]

I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!


It's a REALLY good question. Some truly are malevolent (or, at least, dispassionately regarding the abductee as some kind of resource and nothing else).

But actually, I do believe my experience was positive (though very disruptive to my life in some ways — especially in the years that followed the abduction, when everything was turned upside down).

There's a pretty big backstory to all this, some of which I'm still uncovering, over 30 years later. I think I have most of it now... but it's not easily believable, and is impossible to prove (of course). It might take quite a long time for me to lay it all out clearly.

Bill, this single abduction seems to be very memorable and have had a big impact on you. Do you think/feel that you have had just the one abduction in your lifetime? In my understanding, 'targeted' people have many many abductions throughout their lives, or maybe for a period of their life. I remember reading your story and it did sound a pivotal experience for you.

[DNA]

I think you are obliged to tell your partner about these things. They must have a choice even if they don´t beleive in aliens.

I don't mean to put stress on folks who are already in a stressful situation.
I don't want anyone to do anything they will regret later.
I simply thought this topic was worth talking about and the idea that an abductee should give thought about their situation being well,,,contagious.




I do agree, that if an abductee knows they could put someone at risk they have to disclose it. But that's tricky, cause they run the risk of sounding insane, and ultimately ending up alone anyway. Which is sad.
It is extremely sad.
I for one have signs of abductions going back to my childhood.
And I have one instance kind of like Bill's, where I was camping and I can remember the abduction.
During that abduction I was screaming about the abductions that took place as I was a child, it was as if I can remember now that I remembered then, as if the abduction put me in the frame of mind to remember past abductions that I simply can not remember now. I was angry and I remember wanting to punch the aliens in their big fat heads for all of the previous abduction.
I remember expressing my anger to them and my reward for this was some kind of yellow light that immobilized me completely not even allowing me to breath.
This was in the spring of 91' I was 18.

Strangely, my current wife has all of the signs of being a life long abductee as well.
We kind of shrug our shoulders and apologize to each other if the activity we brought with us is infringing on the other.



But what are people who do know abductees to do?

From our limited perspective, it seems most abductions take place at night while folks are sleeping.
So it would seem all would be okay if you just didn't spend the night in the home of the abductee or let them sleep in your house.
But I could be wrong.





what does your sister think about the whole thing? Is she worried or scared?
I gave her full disclosure.
And she took it remarkably well.
Her response was, that as long as she doesn't remember any of it she will just carry on and not worry about it.
To this I just said okay.


I snuck out of my house and sat on my bike, outside of my friends house, with a camera and a huge video camera from the 80's in 1991 (I was 13) talking on walkie talkies with her in her room waiting for someone or something to go down. I wanted to keep her safe. I was scared for her and her brother. I didn't know exactly what or who she was scared of but I wasn't scared at all of who or what, because I kinda didn't believe her, fully. That's the closest I was to an abductee. Just my childhood best friend, and I wish I could have done more.

She must have made quite the impression on you if you believed her story so much that you would go to all of this trouble.
Do you remember any of the stories she told you?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!


It's a REALLY good question. Some truly are malevolent (or, at least, dispassionately regarding the abductee as some kind of resource and nothing else).

But actually, I do believe my experience was positive (though very disruptive to my life in some ways — especially in the years that followed the abduction, when everything was turned upside down).

There's a pretty big backstory to all this, some of which I'm still uncovering, over 30 years later. I think I have most of it now... but it's not easily believable, and is impossible to prove (of course). It might take quite a long time for me to lay it all out clearly.

Totally agree. Personally it's been very interesting to note that what I first thought were negative experiences, turned out to be something quite different, and over time beneficial.

[Bill Ryan]

I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!


It's a REALLY good question. Some truly are malevolent (or, at least, dispassionately regarding the abductee as some kind of resource and nothing else).

But actually, I do believe my experience was positive (though very disruptive to my life in some ways — especially in the years that followed the abduction, when everything was turned upside down).

There's a pretty big backstory to all this, some of which I'm still uncovering, over 30 years later. I think I have most of it now... but it's not easily believable, and is impossible to prove (of course). It might take quite a long time for me to lay it all out clearly.

Bill, this single abduction seems to be very memorable and have had a big impact on you. Do you think/feel that you have had just the one abduction in your lifetime? In my understanding, 'targeted' people have many many abductions throughout their lives, or maybe for a period of their life. I remember reading your story and it did sound a pivotal experience for you.


That's another very, very good question. I'm aware of the strong theoretical possibility there may have been more, but if so, I'm totally unaware of them and they have not come up in any sessions (although sometimes, there have been hints of the notion, but with no substance or any real recall to be looked at).

I should also comment on this: :)
I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee.I'd endorse that... but I'd not personally use the word 'dangers'.

It's more like if you get close to an experiencer — let's use that word — life is likely to get very bizarre and interesting, sometimes a very wild ride indeed.

Anyone I've become close to has had quite an adventure, sometimes much more than they'd bargained for — even if it's just living with and trying to support a wide range of experiences I get entangled in, not just metaphysical ones by any means.

Life just is not normal any more. Any experiencers, of any kind, will know what I mean. :bigsmile:

[Becky]

I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!


It's a REALLY good question. Some truly are malevolent (or, at least, dispassionately regarding the abductee as some kind of resource and nothing else).

But actually, I do believe my experience was positive (though very disruptive to my life in some ways — especially in the years that followed the abduction, when everything was turned upside down).

There's a pretty big backstory to all this, some of which I'm still uncovering, over 30 years later. I think I have most of it now... but it's not easily believable, and is impossible to prove (of course). It might take quite a long time for me to lay it all out clearly.

Bill, this single abduction seems to be very memorable and have had a big impact on you. Do you think/feel that you have had just the one abduction in your lifetime? In my understanding, 'targeted' people have many many abductions throughout their lives, or maybe for a period of their life. I remember reading your story and it did sound a pivotal experience for you.


That's another very, very good question. I'm aware of the strong theoretical possibility there may have been more, but if so, I'm totally unaware of them and they have not come up in any sessions (although sometimes, there have been hints of the notion, but with no substance or any real recall to be looked at).

I should also comment on this: :)
I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee.I'd endorse that... but I'd not personally use the word 'dangers'.

It's more like if you get close to an experiencer — let's use that word — life is likely to get very bizarre and interesting, sometimes a very wild ride indeed.

Anyone I've become close to has had quite an adventure, sometimes much more than they'd bargained for — even if it's just living with and trying to support a wide range of experiences I get entangled in, not just metaphysical ones by any means.

Life just is not normal any more. Any experiencers, of any kind, will know what I mean. :bigsmile:

Thanks for your reply Bill, and yes, I know what you mean!

[Omni]

Thank You DNA for the OP. Nice OP about Karla Turner. :)

I agree that any ET race that forcibly abducts is up to no good. Doesn't matter if the experience was made to be positive(which can very easily be done by their technology), the intent behind abducting someone is never something the benevolent races have I'd say.

What gets me is I know for a fact that they do not need to abduct someone for the majority of things reported for the abduction. I have had semen taken from me many times while i was just standing there. There are ways to extract eggs and semen from people without abducting them. For example having a little robot grab the egg and then teleport it out. Or have a little tube go in the urethra and use techology to take some sperm... They can do all of this while you sleep, even some of it while you are active and doing every day things. So why exactly do they abduct has been a question on my mind, when they can obviously(obviously to me after my experiences) extract most of the stuff they want without an abduction?

[Pilgrim]

Life just is not normal any more. Any experiencers, of any kind, will know what I mean. :bigsmile:


100% agreed. :highfive:

[Bill Ryan]

My money would be on Rila Fukushima as being a grey hybrid.


Here's Rila Fukushima... not a hybrid in my personal opinion. (Although some photos of her do indeed look a little weird!)

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Rila+Fukushima+qj4cNYdF8vOm.jpg

However, here's what multiple experiencer Stan Romanek states is a true ET hybrid: one of his own hybrid children, named Suri, who attended a UFO conference and sat in the audience. The eyes certainly do not look human, and she appears to only have three fingers on each hand.

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http://projectavalon.net/Suri_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Suri_2.jpg

[Inmortal719]

HOLYYYYYYYYYY MACARONI!!!! Rila Fukushima pictures!!

[Shannon]

I do agree, that if an abductee knows they could put someone at risk they have to disclose it. But that's tricky, cause they run the risk of sounding insane, and ultimately ending up alone anyway. Which is sad.
It is extremely sad.
I for one have signs of abductions going back to my childhood.
And I have one instance kind of like Bill's, where I was camping and I can remember the abduction.
During that abduction I was screaming about the abductions that took place as I was a child, it was as if I can remember now that I remembered then, as if the abduction put me in the frame of mind to remember past abductions that I simply can not remember now. I was angry and I remember wanting to punch the aliens in their big fat heads for all of the previous abduction.
I remember expressing my anger to them and my reward for this was some kind of yellow light that immobilized me completely not even allowing me to breath.
This was in the spring of 91' I was 18.

Strangely, my current wife has all of the signs of being a life long abductee as well.
We kind of shrug our shoulders and apologize to each other if the activity we brought with us is infringing on the other.



But what are people who do know abductees to do?

From our limited perspective, it seems most abductions take place at night while folks are sleeping.
So it would seem all would be okay if you just didn't spend the night in the home of the abductee or let them sleep in your house.
But I could be wrong.





what does your sister think about the whole thing? Is she worried or scared?
I gave her full disclosure.
And she took it remarkably well.
Her response was, that as long as she doesn't remember any of it she will just carry on and not worry about it.
To this I just said okay.


I snuck out of my house and sat on my bike, outside of my friends house, with a camera and a huge video camera from the 80's in 1991 (I was 13) talking on walkie talkies with her in her room waiting for someone or something to go down. I wanted to keep her safe. I was scared for her and her brother. I didn't know exactly what or who she was scared of but I wasn't scared at all of who or what, because I kinda didn't believe her, fully. That's the closest I was to an abductee. Just my childhood best friend, and I wish I could have done more.

She must have made quite the impression on you if you believed her story so much that you would go to all of this trouble.
Do you remember any of the stories she told you?

She was my best friend we lived around the block from each other growing up, and I was very protective of her as she was me, we were kinda rivals too because we were both Tom boys. So when she told me I wanted nothing more than to prove her wrong. I didn't know about abductions and I don't think she did either. All I knew about aliens at 13 were from movies and I had seen the book cover for communion but didn't read that till high school. Close encounters of the third kind was like a peaceful way of looking at alien visitation and contact.

So when she told me what she thought was going on I was literally about to have her mom step in. Kim, ( let's call her that) was above average intelligence, like really smart. Her experiences were not made up. I know that.

We grew up out east on Long Island, Our high school and junior high was just 10 houses down from our block, one evening in the summer of 89 we were cutting thru the ball fields, we were tired from riding bikes and left them in our secret spot and were walking toward the exit area. All of a sudden a bright orange yellow flash lit up the sky, it just came out of nowhere and it was like the whole sky changed. I don't remember my eyes hurting but I had to close them. And I kid you not, Kim was gone. She had completely vanished. I didn't know what to do and it was getting late so I left. Which I can't believe I did!! I'm was a pain in the ass kid with a huge mouth so shrugging off my friend was not normal. I did go home and tell my mom about the flash and that Kim disappeared and she just said it was lightening and she prob ran home, her house was closer.

About 5 am Kim comes to my window and wakes me up to go get our bikes. She said she saw people by them that night. I was like Kim, first off where the hell did you go! And how would you know if there were people by our secret spot ( old shed by the bleachers).

She had no answer about the flash and said she said goodbye to me by the bikes. ??? Uh no. That didn't happen, I remember the conversation we were having when the flash happened. Plus, about a year later, Kim came back from camping and told me her whole family saw three flashes like I described plus they "lost" her brother (10) in the woods but he was found safe hours later.

Kim and her brother would wake up on the front lawn or in her neighbors lawn. One of our neighbors accused her parents of abuse.

Kim told me that night of the flash she was in our schools field with a bunch of people and they were boarding a space ship. She said the men by the bikes looked like principles or business men. I asked her about aliens and she didn't want to talk about them. I hated even asking her about them. I could tell there was things she didn't want me know. I eventually figured out that it had to be physical exams she was ashamed of. :( breaks my heart.

I apologize if that was way long winded. Lol

I hope the best for your sister and bro in law!

[Tyy1907]

I seem to be technologically inept at posting pics..........
Rila Fukushima - Anyway yeah if this piqs anyone's interest watch the movie Wolverine. The whole time I watched that movie I couldn't get over how different her facial structure was. Her eyes even have that wrap around effect going on at times. See for yourself. It begs the question what would somebody look like that had maybe 1/3 or 1/4 grey in them.

If there's interest in this side topic I'll start another thread or mods if nec.

[Shannon]

Yes I am. I claim the world's abduction altitude record — at 20,000 ft at the foot of Makalu, the 5th highest mountain in the world, in Nepal, in Dec 1981. I was taken out of my tent and levitated across the glacier in the middle of the night to a disk.

This photo was taken a few days later, after I'd returned to base camp, exhausted and suddenly demoralized for no good reason at the time, after I'd been the strongest climber on the expedition. I just gave up, the morning after the abduction happened.


Well your world record is pretty damn unique!

Man that's got to be bizarre, being on that kind of tough expedition and then an abduction...man alive.

[seah]

I suspect that not all visitations are abductions but are being lumped all together, and I don't mean in this thread, but in general. I think some experiences certainly fit the title of abduction, such as in Dr. Karla Turner's case, but if a race is keeping tabs on its own members, who are presently living on Earth, is that considered abduction?

I had two experiences as a child, one was quiet benevolent the other, terrifying. I am finally in a place where I can concede that perhaps the terrifying part came from lack of awareness on my part, of what was taking place. They were as shocked as I was, that I didn't succumb to the first method used to put me under.

[shadowstalker]

I guess i don't get a good shot a dating anymore then.
I myself am not going around asking potential dates if they are abductees.
And considering that i myself am an abductee I guess all is lost right?

But to be quite honest I feel at one point or another most ppl are abductees and don't even know it, the person in bed with them may never know it either.
You can go a whole lifetime and not know you are an abductee..

[shadowstalker]

Rila Fukushima looks Vietnamese/American to me, as one of my friends looks just like her.

[terragunn]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

Numerous accounts from people who have had encounters with these entities state these entities reek of sulphur, like the emission of a natural hot spring or one’s urine after eating asparagus. ‘Hot’, indeed! LOL

[terragunn]

I'm an abductee and I'm proud of it! Now that could be a good motto for a bumper sticker!



LOL. Or, 'I was abducted by aliens and all I got was this lousy bumper sticker'.

[shadowstalker]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

Numerous accounts from people who have had encounters with these entities state these entities reek of sulphur, like the emission of a natural hot spring or one’s urine has after eating asparagus. ‘Hot’, indeed! LOL

I don't recall smelling anything coming off a grey, at least the ones that i had encountered, i guess it depends upon which type you encounter.

[DNA]

I'm not arguing with anyone. I'm simply agreeing to disagree on the account of some abductions being positive. I'm stating for those who are convinced their abduction experience was positive, to this I say that the experience could very well be a screen memory. A screen memory distorting or hiding something else that occurred.

In regards to what Barbara Bartholic and Karla Turner are talking about the evidence seems to point towards screen memories being planted either through technological means or psychic means. Ingo Swann discussed aliens being telepathy+ in his book "Penetration" and this was in regards to aliens having the ability project scenarios into our minds as well as read them.

Here is an example of this from Karla Turner.


Dr. Karla Turner

In one case that I recount in "Into the Fringe," James had mostly conscious recollections and almost no hypnosis. He remembered being drawn into the proximity of a beautiful "Pleiadian" woman, who was very alluring and tender, and almost seductive. She wanted him to come into her embrace. When he got into the embrace, and thought she was going to kiss him, she disappeared entirely, and what was left in her place was a purplish-black, bumpy, almost slimy-looking character with fairly asymmetrical features. I have encountered this same type of creature in a couple of other cases. The entity was very strong. Instead of embracing James, the creature threw him down on the ground and shoved a two-foot-long tube down his throat, into his stomach, and pulled up stomach juices. The next day, he still had some of the bile taste, the interior of his throat was sore, and he discovered claw marks around both sides of his neck, where he had been held down. Whatever the entity was, there was something claw-like about it (which, of course, matches reptilians). Maybe, as close as he was to it, he could not perceive the whole figure. But he could see a bumpy covering, which could equate to the rough, scaly exterior sometimes reported to be reptilian. It is described as bumpy, ridged, bony, strong, clawed.

[terragunn]

This is, perhaps, a slight digression from the theme of this thread, but I feel such that follows is relevant. I responded to a query on the PA Forums in a thread I initialised, entitled ‘The Game: The Computation Matrix’, where I stated an experience where my consciousness (whilst in a conscious state and my crown chakra blown wide open, which opens one’s ‘reality’ into other ‘games’ of the computation Matrix) was visited/invaded by an entity that referred to itself as a naga. My best friend at the time (a platonic female best friend) was with me, and we were having a splendid late evening at my place, prior this experience. The entity that entered me stated (after my friend questioned this entity to speak in English and what relation this entity had to me) that I was a relative (‘REEL-a-Tive'). Initially this entity spoke in a language unfamiliar to me or my friend – sort of a mixture of Latin, one of the languages of India, and one or more of the languages of Africa. This entity was confused that my friend wasn’t able to communicate telepathically. Eventually this entity spoke in English. When it did it had an odd Eastern European accent – rather like Romanian. BTW -- I am not implying that the Romanian accent is odd. Such an accent (to me) is very beautiful. This entity, when speaking English, had certain similarities to a contemporary Arabic accent, as well, minus the Yiddish 'shhq' sounds. I use the word odd because this accent and language predates any of our current languages, accents, and vast regional dialects. Sumerian? Something older? I don't know. Or, perhaps, I do know: suppressed, locked, and keyed.

[terragunn]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

Numerous accounts from people who have had encounters with these entities state these entities reek of sulphur, like the emission of a natural hot spring or one’s urine has after eating asparagus. ‘Hot’, indeed! LOL

I don't recall smelling anything coming off a grey, at least the ones that i had encountered, i guess it depends upon which type you encounter.

Thank you. I know what these entities are, and they are not what 'people' think they are.

[terragunn]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

Numerous accounts from people who have had encounters with these entities state these entities reek of sulphur, like the emission of a natural hot spring or one’s urine has after eating asparagus. ‘Hot’, indeed! LOL

I don't recall smelling anything coming off a grey, at least the ones that i had encountered, i guess it depends upon which type you encounter.

Thank you. I know what these entities are, and they are not what 'people' think they are.

The A.I. Usurper, the Anunnaki, the Animus, the Archons, the Aeons, the Djinn -- call such E.T.s, E.B.E.s, or E.D.E.s, or 'gods', daemons or angels -- they are all one in the same. They are thought entities. They feed off the energy we allocate them, wittingly or unwittingly.

[terragunn]

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[DNA]

There was one other related topic I wanted to share on this thread.

I think certain geographic areas may increase your odds of being abducted.
If you are a target abductee, I don't know if there is anywhere you can move to decrease your chances of abduction.
I encourage feedback on this if there is anyone who has information to the contrary.

But if you are a peripheral abductee, meaning you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and more a victim of circumstance than maybe there are some things you could do to decrease your chances of abduction.

Barbara Bartholic noted that most of the MILAB abductees lived near military bases.
I would strongly caution those living next to military bases, and suggest putting some distance between yourself and the nearest one.
Also, I would like to mention, when living near Arizona State University, I had an abduction dream, which seemed incredibly realistic, that I and a large group of college aged kids were part of a group abduction. I and everyone around myself were in a state much like that of a zombie, aware and yet incapable of thinking in terms of self direction. I noted that I was naked and not embarrassed, I saw the same thing around myself, people mostly unclothed yet not showing any sign of modesty. I knew I was in a space ship, and yet I was not afraid. A form of energetic drug most likely.
My point in mentioning this, is that I had read some where, where Barbara Bartholic mentioned some places put people more at risk for group abductions.
And correlating this tid bit with my own personal experience makes me think living in an area such as a major university campus could put one at risk in this area.

Have a good day. :)

[seah]

DNA, the group abduction you speak of above, do you recall seeing any humans that were not abductees?
Do you think it was a MILAB?

[Elainie]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

Numerous accounts from people who have had encounters with these entities state these entities reek of sulphur, like the emission of a natural hot spring or one’s urine has after eating asparagus. ‘Hot’, indeed! LOL

I don't recall smelling anything coming off a grey, at least the ones that i had encountered, i guess it depends upon which type you encounter.

Thank you. I know what these entities are, and they are not what 'people' think they are.

The A.I. Usurper, the Anunnaki, the Animus, the Archons, the Aeons, the Djinn -- call such E.T.s, E.B.E.s, or E.D.E.s, or 'gods', daemons or angels -- they are all one in the same. They are thought entities. They feed off the energy we allocate them, wittingly or unwittingly.




terragunn's statement above I feel is an important one.

[onawah]

On an earlier thread on this subject, evidence was presented showing that abductions (and disappearances) are common in national parks; though there may be other explanations for such occurrences, parks seem to be likely places for abductions.
And apparently there is a coverup about this, as well.
I have encountered two alien hybrids who are leading fairly normal lives as humans, though I have kept my distance, and to my knowledge, I have never been abducted.
I would take such an action as an outright attack on my personal sovereignty.

[Mutchie]

I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!


It's a REALLY good question. Some truly are malevolent (or, at least, dispassionately regarding the abductee as some kind of resource and nothing else).

But actually, I do believe my experience was positive (though very disruptive to my life in some ways — especially in the years that followed the abduction, when everything was turned upside down).

There's a pretty big backstory to all this, some of which I'm still uncovering, over 30 years later. I think I have most of it now... but it's not easily believable, and is impossible to prove (of course). It might take quite a long time for me to lay it all out clearly.

I AM SURE WE ALL WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR STORY .....Seen as we all believe and understand these events are REALLY happening ... I cannot imagine how hard it would be trying to unravel an abduction it seems to take some people a long time to REALISE what actually happened .

[Mutchie]

There was one other related topic I wanted to share on this thread.

I think certain geographic areas may increase your odds of being abducted.
If you are a target abductee, I don't know if there is anywhere you can move to decrease your chances of abduction.
I encourage feedback on this if there is anyone who has information to the contrary.

But if you are a peripheral abductee, meaning you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and more a victim of circumstance than maybe there are some things you could do to decrease your chances of abduction.

Barbara Bartholic noted that most of the MILAB abductees lived near military bases.
I would strongly caution those living next to military bases, and suggest putting some distance between yourself and the nearest one.
Also, I would like to mention, when living near Arizona State University, I had an abduction dream, which seemed incredibly realistic, that I and a large group of college aged kids were part of a group abduction. I and everyone around myself were in a state much like that of a zombie, aware and yet incapable of thinking in terms of self direction. I noted that I was naked and not embarrassed, I saw the same thing around myself, people mostly unclothed yet not showing any sign of modesty. I knew I was in a space ship, and yet I was not afraid. A form of energetic drug most likely.
My point in mentioning this, is that I had read some where, where Barbara Bartholic mentioned some places put people more at risk for group abductions.
And correlating this tid bit with my own personal experience makes me think living in an area such as a major university campus could put one at risk in this area.

Have a good day. :)

Hi DNA have you tried hypnotic regression yet ? Your story is fascinating .... Thank you for sharing

[DNA]

DNA, the group abduction you speak of above, do you recall seeing any humans that were not abductees?
Do you think it was a MILAB?
Hi Seah
I only have the brief memory I shared. My feeling was that it was a mass Grey abduction.





Hi DNA have you tried hypnotic regression yet ? Your story is fascinating .... Thank you for sharing

I have not, nor do I ever plan to.
That is just me.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss.




On an earlier thread on this subject, evidence was presented showing that abductions (and disappearances) are common in national parks; though there may be other explanations for such occurrences, parks seem to be likely places for abductions.

I seem to remember the thread you are talking about.
I believe the OP of the thread had the idea that some time in our countries past, our Government understood or received communication on some level regarding the existence of known alien bases.
In an attempt to slow development in these areas, and limit activity that would make these bases known, the Government placed National Parks and Native American Indian Reservations on top of many of these underground alien bases.
So yes, your statement regarding an increased likelihood in terms of abductions taking place in these areas to satiate certain needs these underground dwellers exhibit, is indeed spot on.
I believe the thread you are talking about is below.

Are-National-Parks-A-Cover-For-Underground-Alien-Bases (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47280-Are-National-Parks-A-Cover-For-Underground-Alien-Bases)

[DNA]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

Numerous accounts from people who have had encounters with these entities state these entities reek of sulphur, like the emission of a natural hot spring or one’s urine has after eating asparagus. ‘Hot’, indeed! LOL

I don't recall smelling anything coming off a grey, at least the ones that i had encountered, i guess it depends upon which type you encounter.

Thank you. I know what these entities are, and they are not what 'people' think they are.

The A.I. Usurper, the Anunnaki, the Animus, the Archons, the Aeons, the Djinn -- call such E.T.s, E.B.E.s, or E.D.E.s, or 'gods', daemons or angels -- they are all one in the same. They are thought entities. They feed off the energy we allocate them, wittingly or unwittingly.




terragunn's statement above I feel is an important one.

We can no better lump all vegetarians into a one size fits all category than we can those who feed on emotional energy.
After all, your dog feeds off of the emotional energy of your love, just as your boss may feed off of the emotional energy of his employees by brow beating and intimidating them.
Human on human emotional trickery takes place all the time.
So it can hardly be considered unique.
Further, we can use the biological practice of parasites compared to those of free living creatures on the planet earth, and we find parasites outnumber free living organisms by a ratio of three to one. This would make the practice of parasatism the most common practice of consumption.

Most energy or soul parasites seem to be non corporeal, or non physical in nature. This seems to limit the control they have over us.
But if we are to believe the retrieved bodies from the Roswell crash and the very physical marks some of us have found on our bodies, then these Greys and Reptilians seem to represent a greater threat being as they are physical and as such can exhibit greater control over our being and life.

[Constance]

I don't think I am an abductee but...

Picture this.

I have a mind-blowing, totally reality-changing experience. You know, the everyday garden variety experiencer type of thing that people talk about all the time here. Things you don't even bat an eyelid about.

In my excitement and wonder, I share this experience with my fiance (now my husband) expecting him to be as overjoyed for me and as in as much wonderment as myself. I had no idea at this stage that his perceptions around reality could be so vastly different from mine.

The things you learn on the road to marriage!

I'll never forget the look on his face. He looks at me in total horror. :bigsmile: He says/thinks that I am an absolute nutter and he is going to leave me.

So here I am up all night pleading and begging with him that this doesn't change anything. I still love him, I am still essentially the person he loves and that what he loves about me hasn't changed.

Luckily for me, the power of love overcame all and we are still together after 17 years :heart:

Mind you, whenever I express my latest experience over a meal, he goes very silent and I know that he is valiantly trying to process it all without going into judgement or fear or denial or anything else! :bigsmile:

:focus:

[terragunn]

I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol. :)

Numerous accounts from people who have had encounters with these entities state these entities reek of sulphur, like the emission of a natural hot spring or one’s urine has after eating asparagus. ‘Hot’, indeed! LOL

I don't recall smelling anything coming off a grey, at least the ones that i had encountered, i guess it depends upon which type you encounter.

Thank you. I know what these entities are, and they are not what 'people' think they are.

The A.I. Usurper, the Anunnaki, the Animus, the Archons, the Aeons, the Djinn -- call such E.T.s, E.B.E.s, or E.D.E.s, or 'gods', daemons or angels -- they are all one in the same. They are thought entities. They feed off the energy we allocate them, wittingly or unwittingly.




terragunn's statement above I feel is an important one.

We can no better lump all vegetarians into a one size fits all category than we can those who feed on emotional energy.
After all, your dog feeds off of the emotional energy of your love, just as your boss may feed off of the emotional energy of his employees by brow beating and intimidating them.
Human on human emotional trickery takes place all the time.
So it can hardly be considered unique.
Further, we can use the biological practice of parasites compared to those of free living creatures on the planet earth, and we find parasites outnumber free living organisms by a ratio of three to one. This would make the practice of parasatism the most common practice of consumption.

Most energy or soul parasites seem to be non corporeal, or non physical in nature. This seems to limit the control they have over us.
But if we are to believe the retrieved bodies from the Roswell crash and the very physical marks some of us have found on our bodies, then these Greys and Reptilians seem to represent a greater threat being as they are physical and as such can exhibit greater control over our being and life.

@DNA. You have empathy. You have spirit. You have understanding. You have heart. I have read many of your posts and you possess and exercise discernment. These entities do exist (in the mind and subsequently in the ether), but the traits I listed, these entities do not have. Save for discernment, these entities will use these traits against us to get what they want: our spirit/source life origin energy essence. Linear past incarnations also wish to possess our spirit/source life origin energy essence of the NOW, as they relate the NOW and the living only to the material plane. These past incarnations (which are really concurrent incarnations – though they do not realise this) are stuck in the astral/etheric planes, yet are connected to our energy signature. They are rather like out of work actors who wish to continue playing and expanding the roles they are familiar with. And, like the animas (archons, aeons, E.D.E.s – whatever label one wishes to allocate them) they require a human host in which to live. They have become disconnected with spirit so they seek to inhabit us, possess us, and use our life force energy to live. This is why it is so imperative to understand in the NOW – on the material plane (where our spirit essence is flowing through us) – how the computation Matrix works. The material plane is, in a sense, a prison, yes; but the Seven Heavens/astral planes are far more so.

However, the difference between the Astrals and us is we pay it back through every incarnation. The issue at hand (which is a hidden one), however, is that the Astrals have set up an ouroboros system of debt so we will always be paying back: so we are always in debt.

In regards to life on earth feeding, all is one way or another parasitic/energy consuming. Everything ingests photons and consciousness. But not everything ingests the same photons and consciousnesses.

As far as the corporeal existence of what we have been conditioned to term as ‘E.T.s’ or aliens, such is genetically created by man with assistance by the Astrals. In order to exist on the material plane the consciousnesses of the Astrals need an organic host vehicle, or something close to such. In regards to the latter, such will be short-lived.

If there is an alien invasion such is an invasion of the mind. All the talk and claims of alien hybrids is nothing more than alien souls possessing human vehicles.

[Desrknelf]

I have been abducted. The first time I am aware of was when I woke up while some being just sucked me out of my body and took off with me. I woke up from a pain in my right leg beneath the knee. This spot aced to and fro after that. Always the pain in the same spot that woke me up. I said "no, no, no" and the being could not take me away any further or if it was a screen memory of me getting off the hook.
After that many times. Very kind, very gentle being but at the same time - it was an violation. It/she later showed me things - and every time when I got counscious about what happened I sad no and came back to my bed. Perhaps that was stupid of me not to go any further - fun flying around in space looking at stars but I did not like the violation. The only information I remeber now is that she/it said pain is not necessary, she wanted to show me this but I reacted very emotionally and thought it horrendous when so many people suffer here on earth. I beleived then that suffering at least was there to learn from, that it was meaningful. So maybe you need to be a bit cooler to be a success abductee than I was. :)
I think you are obliged to tell your partner about these things. They must have a choice even if they don´t beleive in aliens.

Interezting. I experienced a painful sensation on waking up on my right leg below the knee. It was toward the right side of my right leg. I only experienced this once and it happened upon waking up from a disturbing dream involving ET's. The sensation was on a small spot about 2 inches square and it was extremely intense. It felt like energy rushing into or out of my body through this point. Like when you move energy out through the palms of your hands and you get that tingly feeling in the center of the palms, except so strong it is painful.

Does anyone know what this is exactly? I told my friend and she said that your astral body (or something like that can't remember exactly) exits and enters through a spot on your leg. But I believe you leave your body through the crown chakra.. you go out through the top of your head.

[DNA]

@DNA. You have empathy. You have spirit. You have understanding. You have heart. I have read many of your posts and you possess and exercise discernment. These entities do exist (in the mind and subsequently in the ether), but the traits I listed, these entities do not have. Save for discernment, these entities will use these traits against us to get what they want: our spirit/source life origin energy essence. Linear past incarnations also wish to possess our spirit/source life origin energy essence of the NOW, as they relate the NOW and the living only to the material plane. These past incarnations (which are really concurrent incarnations – though they do not realise this) are stuck in the astral/etheric planes, yet are connected to our energy signature. They are rather like out of work actors who wish to continue playing and expanding the roles they are familiar with. And, like the animas (archons, aeons, E.D.E.s – whatever label one wishes to allocate them) they require a human host in which to live. They have become disconnected with spirit so they seek to inhabit us, possess us, and use our life force energy to live. This is why it is so imperative to understand in the NOW – on the material plane (where our spirit essence is flowing through us) – how the computation Matrix works. The material plane is, in a sense, a prison, yes; but the Seven Heavens/astral planes are far more so.

However, the difference between the Astrals and us is we pay it back through every incarnation. The issue at hand (which is a hidden one), however, is that the Astrals have set up an ouroboros system of debt so we will always be paying back: so we are always in debt.

In regards to life on earth feeding, all is one way or another parasitic/energy consuming. Everything ingests photons and consciousness. But not everything ingests the same photons and consciousnesses.

You know I could nit-pick and state where I disagree with you on some miniscule way, but for the most part I agree with you here.
I agree with you quite a bit.

If you wish to see how much I agree with you on the subject, you should check out an older thread of mine. I discuss some personal experiences in dealing with some various forms of what you are talking about. And there were some excellent points made by some other folks.

PARASITIC NON-ORGANIC MULTIDIMENSIONAL PARASITES (projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings)



As far as the corporeal existence of what we have been conditioned to term as ‘E.T.s’ or aliens, such is genetically created by man with assistance by the Astrals. In order to exist on the material plane the consciousnesses of the Astrals need an organic host vehicle, or something close to such. In regards to the latter, such will be short-lived.

If there is an alien invasion such is an invasion of the mind. All the talk and claims of alien hybrids is nothing more than alien souls possessing human vehicles.

I disagree here.
I actually came up with this theory myself a few years back. It made sense to me, but since then I've rejected it. I've rejected it, because I believe no one size fits all answer will apply.
There are actual physical entities that either cross dimensional thresholds and or cross vasts distances of space, as well as travel through time.
I have come to the point where I just admit I do not have enough data for an answer, but I do not think anyone else does either.

[terragunn]

Desrknelf says: 'I told my friend and she said that your astral body (or something like that can't remember exactly) exits and enters through a spot on your leg. But I believe you leave your body through the crown chakra.. you go out through the top of your head.'

A spot on the leg? I've never heard this before. The crown chakra is certainly a portal/gateway, especially when astral projecting, ingesting alcohol or other drugs, etc. Interesting to note, Andrew Bartzis states that during dream-state the consciousness leaves the body via the stomach/sacral chakra. There is a lot that Bartzis says that I do not resonate with, but as the subconscious -- the emotional body -- is, in a sense, stored in the sacral area, this I do resonate with. Many parasitic entities enter and cling to ones astral/emotional body via the sacral chakra.

I have a reptilian entity (it refers to itself as a naga) attached to my emotional/astral body. Such very much seems to me to be hooked to my sacral chakra. And yes, I do have stomach issues and fear issues. Interestingly enough, I always confront and overcome such fears. Of course, doing so plays havoc on my stomach!

[Desrknelf]

I have stomach problems as well, as does my sister. We both have entity issues as well but hers much worse than mine. A shadow being enetered my throat the other day. Thanks for your post, everything helps to piece this together, how these entities operate.

[terragunn]

I have stomach problems as well, as does my sister. We both have entity issues as well but hers much worse than mine. A shadow being enetered my throat the other day. Thanks for your post, everything helps to piece this together, how these entities operate.

Entered your throat? What was the result of such?

Years ago I was very interested in channelling, channellers, and channelled entities. I did a lot of research on the subject. I no longer am, but I had several sessions with a channelled entity that said I was unusual in that three of my chakras (sacral, solar plexus, and throat) were blocked or clogged. This entity told me that I was also more connected to what we call 'E.T.'s' than most other humans are. I'm not sure what to make of any of this. Actually, what this entity said was that I was more connected to multi-density/dimensional entities than other humans.

Anyway, I bring up the throat chakra (in my case) because when I heard this and relayed such to my best friend at the time, we both laughed. I am very outspoken and not fearful of confrontation or expressing myself.

[DNA]

Desrknelf says: 'I told my friend and she said that your astral body (or something like that can't remember exactly) exits and enters through a spot on your leg. But I believe you leave your body through the crown chakra.. you go out through the top of your head.'

A spot on the leg? I've never heard this before. The crown chakra is certainly a portal/gateway, especially when astral projecting, ingesting alcohol or other drugs, etc. Interesting to note, Andrew Bartzis states that during dream-state the consciousness leaves the body via the stomach/sacral chakra. There is a lot that Bartzis says that I do not resonate with, but as the subconscious -- the emotional body -- is, in a sense, stored in the sacral area, this I do resonate with. Many parasitic entities enter and cling to ones astral/emotional body via the sacral chakra.

I have a reptilian entity (it refers to itself as a naga) attached to my emotional/astral body. Such very much seems to me to be hooked to my sacral chakra. And yes, I do have stomach issues and fear issues. Interestingly enough, I always confront and overcome such fears. Of course, doing so plays havoc on my stomach!

Barbara Bartholic mentioned coming across reptilian entity intrusion in a brief excerpt here. (http://www.whale.to/c/legacy.html) For the record James Bartley appears to have taken up this research and ran with it.

Barbara Bartholic

Barbara pioneered research into the Crystal Meth Connection. “Crank” is a derivative of crystal meth and is quite common in many parts of America. Through my own research, I’ve found that Ecstasy is a key component of the reptilian behaviour modification program. Crystal meth and Ecstasy use can eventually lead to the process known as “hosting” wherein a human abductee is partially or completely taken up as a host by one or more negative entities. Crystal Meth has a “sympathetic resonance” with a variety of negative entities, including but not limited to reptilians, snake entities, demons and some of the Greys. In her personal dealings with abductees, some of whom were crystal meth users, negative entities would literally take over the abductee and say menacing things to Barbara. Barbara has sometimes observed the abductee’s face or eyes morph or “shapeshift” during these episodes. A variation of the Crystal Meth Agenda is the aforementioned Ecstasy “Rave” agenda. In a future treatise I will elaborate on the dynamics of the Rave agenda. Suffice it to say for now that Ecstasy lowers the frequency of users and long term use leads to lower back pain which becomes a doorway for negative entities to enter first through the auric field and then into the body. In conjunction with the type of music being played, the Ecstasy removes the inhibitions of the users. This results in a variety of different entities such as greys, reptilians and snake entities taking up ravers as hosts. The location of the raves becomes an anchor in this reality for these negative entities. I must point out that Pharmaceutical Drugs also play a role in the reptilian-archontic agenda. Certain pharmaceuticals lower the bio-energetic frequency of the user and also impair cognitive function. These two “side effects” alone will open gateways for negative entities to manipulate and in many cases assume control of a human.


I'm not stating this has anything to do with yourself, but the snake entity mentioned by Bartholic I've heard referred to as a Naga by others.


I have a story that relates with all of this.
My best friend went down this path.
He was the most honest amazing person I had ever met, and I idealized he being someone I could use as an example of someone I could some day be.

We were best friends since grade school.
We lived in a small steel mill town, and we wanted more so we moved across country.
My buddy wanted us to enter the Rave scene in it's infancy, and we did.
I've never had an attraction for drugs.
I didn't need them.
I had studied martial arts quite seriously for five years by the time we started raving, and my meditation skills allowed me to enter into a trance with the music so easily, I didn't need anything.
But, my buddy did.
He started off dropping ecstacy regularly, and eventually he became obsessed with ALL drugs. I tried interventions, working with his family, but they didn't work.
When crystal meth became his drug of choice, I had a vision.
I saw a reptilian enter into my friend, and it was at this point he changed for the worse.
He became selfish, evil, a liar. I refused to have anything to do with him even on a limited basis.
It wasn't just the drugs. He changed as a person. The person I had known since gradeschool was gone. For the most part dead. This new thing took him over.

Now it is my opinion that almost all of us have some type of periphiel association with energetic parasites. For more on this click on the link I gave earlier.
But the lesser versions may cause you to crave or copulate where upon you should not. This was not the case with my friend.
This was a full blown possession.
I have to believe that drugs were the gateway for a full blown entity to possess my friend.

[DNA]

I have stomach problems as well, as does my sister. We both have entity issues as well but hers much worse than mine. A shadow being enetered my throat the other day. Thanks for your post, everything helps to piece this together, how these entities operate.

I've noted some instances in the thread I posted earlier.
I also have a thread where I talk about an interaction I had with such a being. My Interactions With A Shadow Being (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28318-My-Interactions-With-A-Shadow-Being.)
You may find some information that helps.
Have a great day. :)

[terragunn]

Desrknelf says: 'I told my friend and she said that your astral body (or something like that can't remember exactly) exits and enters through a spot on your leg. But I believe you leave your body through the crown chakra.. you go out through the top of your head.'

A spot on the leg? I've never heard this before. The crown chakra is certainly a portal/gateway, especially when astral projecting, ingesting alcohol or other drugs, etc. Interesting to note, Andrew Bartzis states that during dream-state the consciousness leaves the body via the stomach/sacral chakra. There is a lot that Bartzis says that I do not resonate with, but as the subconscious -- the emotional body -- is, in a sense, stored in the sacral area, this I do resonate with. Many parasitic entities enter and cling to ones astral/emotional body via the sacral chakra.

I have a reptilian entity (it refers to itself as a naga) attached to my emotional/astral body. Such very much seems to me to be hooked to my sacral chakra. And yes, I do have stomach issues and fear issues. Interestingly enough, I always confront and overcome such fears. Of course, doing so plays havoc on my stomach!

Barbara Bartholic mentioned coming across reptilian entity intrusion in a brief excerpt here. (http://www.whale.to/c/legacy.html) For the record James Bartley appears to have taken up this research and ran with it.

Barbara Bartholic

Barbara pioneered research into the Crystal Meth Connection. “Crank” is a derivative of crystal meth and is quite common in many parts of America. Through my own research, I’ve found that Ecstasy is a key component of the reptilian behaviour modification program. Crystal meth and Ecstasy use can eventually lead to the process known as “hosting” wherein a human abductee is partially or completely taken up as a host by one or more negative entities. Crystal Meth has a “sympathetic resonance” with a variety of negative entities, including but not limited to reptilians, snake entities, demons and some of the Greys. In her personal dealings with abductees, some of whom were crystal meth users, negative entities would literally take over the abductee and say menacing things to Barbara. Barbara has sometimes observed the abductee’s face or eyes morph or “shapeshift” during these episodes. A variation of the Crystal Meth Agenda is the aforementioned Ecstasy “Rave” agenda. In a future treatise I will elaborate on the dynamics of the Rave agenda. Suffice it to say for now that Ecstasy lowers the frequency of users and long term use leads to lower back pain which becomes a doorway for negative entities to enter first through the auric field and then into the body. In conjunction with the type of music being played, the Ecstasy removes the inhibitions of the users. This results in a variety of different entities such as greys, reptilians and snake entities taking up ravers as hosts. The location of the raves becomes an anchor in this reality for these negative entities. I must point out that Pharmaceutical Drugs also play a role in the reptilian-archontic agenda. Certain pharmaceuticals lower the bio-energetic frequency of the user and also impair cognitive function. These two “side effects” alone will open gateways for negative entities to manipulate and in many cases assume control of a human.


I'm not stating this has anything to do with yourself, but the snake entity mentioned by Bartholic I've heard referred to as a Naga by others.


I have a story that relates with all of this.
My best friend went down this path.
He was the most honest amazing person I had ever met, and I idealized he being someone I could use as an example of someone I could some day be.

We were best friends since grade school.
We lived in a small steel mill town, and we wanted more so we moved across country.
My buddy wanted us to enter the Rave scene in it's infancy, and we did.
I've never had an attraction for drugs.
I didn't need them.
I had studied martial arts quite seriously for five years by the time we started raving, and my meditation skills allowed me to enter into a trance with the music so easily, I didn't need anything.
But, my buddy did.
He started off dropping ecstacy regularly, and eventually he became obsessed with ALL drugs. I tried interventions, working with his family, but they didn't work.
When crystal meth became his drug of choice, I had a vision.
I saw a reptilian enter into my friend, and it was at this point he changed for the worse.
He became selfish, evil, a liar. I refused to have anything to do with him even on a limited basis.
It wasn't just the drugs. He changed as a person. The person I had known since gradeschool was gone. For the most part dead. This new thing took him over.

Now it is my opinion that almost all of us have some type of periphiel association with energetic parasites. For more on this click on the link I gave earlier.
But the lesser versions may cause you to crave or copulate where upon you should not. This was not the case with my friend.
This was a full blown possession.
I have to believe that drugs were the gateway for a full blown entity to possess my friend.

In my case, this entity has been with me, so to speak, since I was a boy. I do not see visions, do not have dreams about reptilians (actually I did have my first a few nights ago, but such was not like any of the stories I have read or heard from others), am not a physical abductee nor a contactee. I've been told by a channelled entity (the channeller's son is also 'infected' by this same race of entities) that this entity and its race abduct my consciousness during dream and day dream state to study me; to study my love. He relayed a certain amount of information to me about this entity and its race, as did the channeller. The channelled entity and channeller informed me that this race comes from Theta Tauri, and is a race of tall, extremely thin, red-eyed and paper-white reptilian-hybrids (hybridised from two different races of reptilians -- one being the Ancient Reptilians.) The channeller told me that -- in his astral travels with his mentor (another reptilian) -- he visited their 'planet'. He said they were -- in comparison to other reptilian entities -- very interesting and unusual. The channelled entity informed me these 4th density entities are very aggressive and negative, but not violent, and are high in sexual energy. The channelled entity informed me that this race do not like other reptilians and they hate the Pleiadians; as well, that this race pretty much keeps to themselves in regards to other races. I have been informed by the channelled entity, and the entity attached to me, that I am a relative of this race, that it is one of the multi-dimensional incarnations of my Oversoul. Of course, 'E.T.s' are always saying this, and I no longer 'buy into' this idea.


Anyway, I am familiar with Barbara's work and James Bartley's relay of information. Steve Richards' work I am also familiar with. I also correspond with Eve Lorgen and am very familiar with her work as well. One of Eve Lorgen's clients relayed to her a story about how her (the client's) husband was secretly sneaking out to strip clubs. It was in this atmosphere that a reptilian entity attached itself to this man. Here's a link to the story:

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/alien-love-bite-related/reptilian-hosting-and-strip-clubs/

[terragunn]

As far as the corporeal existence of what we have been conditioned to term as ‘E.T.s’ or aliens, such is genetically created by man with assistance by the Astrals. In order to exist on the material plane the consciousnesses of the Astrals need an organic host vehicle, or something close to such. In regards to the latter, such will be short-lived.

If there is an alien invasion such is an invasion of the mind. All the talk and claims of alien hybrids is nothing more than alien souls possessing human vehicles.

DNA says:
'I disagree here.
I actually came up with this theory myself a few years back. It made sense to me, but since then I've rejected it. I've rejected it, because I believe no one size fits all answer will apply.
There are actual physical entities that either cross dimensional thresholds and or cross vasts distances of space, as well as travel through time.
I have come to the point where I just admit I do not have enough data for an answer, but I do not think anyone else does either.'

@DNA: It is interesting that you embrace now what I used to embrace but have since rejected, and vice versa.

The computation Matrix and the A.I. usurper (which we, in a sense, set up -- in linear terms, long ago, in the paradoxical ancient future) was set up as a contra-programme, so that we would become lost in its 'Mind', to relieve our selves from the boredom of our all-powerful, all-knowing Creator Beingness (Oneness), and to seek through its 'Mind', that which we -- in linear terms -- never knew as all-powerful Creator Beings: limitation. Add into this programme an external 'god consciousness' for us to continually seek. I go into more detail about this in my posts about 'The Game: The Computation Matrix' and its subsequent thread.

Source Creation wanted to know itself? This is our story. And we have become lost in our own creations -- the computation Matrix Game of Duality and limitation -- and have forgotten who we really are.

HS7AGOAyMUI

The Mind of the 'Father' and the thought entities we created to rule over us:

3E8s7UPlykQ

Oneness is NOT about being a collective hive mind consciousness.

X-eSB2GN6HI

Additional: we live in a sphere, not on a sphere. We live on a material plane within this sphere. This material plane is binary: as above so below.

An analogy. Take a coin. Set this coin upon a horizontal surface, holding it steady with the index finger of one hand. Using the middle finger of the opposite hand, strike the coin just before releasing the index finger of the opposite hand holding the coin in place, so the coin spins without support from either appendage. The coin (should one strike such with a specific amount of force) will now be set in motion, spinning, and creating the illusion of rotundity via motion.

The El – the Source origin electricity we, the Users, provide – is the power source that puts such a plane in motion. Via spirit essences entering the conscious density state of duality the plane becomes a spinning sphere. The sphere itself is not terra firma, only the plane is. What surrounds the sphere (the firmament or Van Allen radiation belt) is constructed entirely of sound. This sound forms a bubble – a force field.

Within this bubble other bubbles are formed – each ONE; each ONENESS.

We are experiencing the Mind of the 'Father', and, via the earth, the Womb of the Mother.

These will not be the first Parents we have had. Once again, As Above, So Below.


Anyway, my apologies for deviating from the post of this initial thread.

[terragunn]

In regards to locality of ‘abductees’, I disagree. Via my research, dissection and discernment, soul signatures (which are consented agreements as well as nefarious agreements, in either the astral planes or on the material plane – which one may constitute as agreements made consciously, sub-consciously, or unconsciously – such vary) are carried over in – linearlly-speaking – subsequent incarnations. There are many relayed accounts of ‘abductees’ who move to other locales in order to escape ‘abductions’, yet still continue to experience such.

In my understanding, the Astrals 'see' human beings in two ways: 1) organic fluctuating energy signatures relating to colour and vibration, and 2) binary-encoded signatures relating to their A.I. overlay encoding. The organic part of the human being they are most fascinated with. The binary-encoded A.I. overlay signature is a GPS location for this organic fluctuating energy.

[Camilo]

Unless you're one yourself!

[simon155]

I HAVE to comment on this thread, as I'm personally familiar with the "sleep paralysis" and "unusual" stuff.

Firstly a disclaimer if you're getting excitable - I'm fairly logical and have jumped to no conclusions. Where I speculate, I will say so.

First some of my more relevant and more commonplace experience. This is exactly what I experienced. Disclaimer: I have, as far as I've established to date, a lot better than average vision at night and tend to wake up quite easily. Even years later I sleep with my door open. It entertains me when people wake up and try to stumble / grope their way down the hall to the toilet. I can see them as clear as day. Apparently none of them can.

Shadows. I was a teen. Woke up in the night feeling rather hot, and a bit prickly. Pressure or something. Hard to explain. Like air pressure high. Glanced at the room. Middle of the night, but more than enough moonlight through the curtains. There's a dim glow on the old tv set ie slightly lighter pitch of gray like it's been on a while back and there's a soft charge still there. Put my head back again. There's a weird sensation growing stronger. Oppressive. Like "evil". I put my head under the duvet. It's hot under here. Short delay. I look out again. I don't see anything. I don't see the bottom of the bed though. I sit up and look. Shock. Horror. Two short figures - heads show above the end of the bed. Jet black. Glowing red eyes - blotchy rings of red. I hide under duvet. Thoughts racing. The static. I read about fields. The sense of evil. It's polarised. There's no such thing as evil. What if it was me. Everywhere I went, faced with horror. What if it's just them, alone. They could be there to eat me. Can't do much about that, but at least I can make a difference. I sit up. I felt kinda heavy but I force myself up and look at them. Try to be positive. Clear mind. The static. Friendly. Was the surprise.
Where am I going. It's like I'm going down the hall but I'm somewhere else the same time. This corridors bigger. There are all sorts of weird creatures or people or something along the side looking at me as i drift past. I see the front garden. The airs crisp and cool but still. There's bright moonlight. I'm looking up at a bright star. I'm in a Cavern. There are lots of people here but they aren't like us. They look like children. No hair. Fewer features. Beautiful huge blue eyes with two rings in them. Two are in front of the rest. Love. I feel like they see me as a father / guardian. I'm just a kid though. Blurs. I'm back in my room. I'm so tired. I sleep.

Conclusions: Not many. I'm not hasty to jump to conclusions, but I stay open to possibilities, though it's not always obvious. There's every chance it was a dream, It seemed as real as life. Vivid in every way, but impossible from what I knew. I can't decide if it's real or not. There's nothing I can do with the information either way. Keep an open mind to others reporting similar experience. There may be a logical reason or otherwise.


Ghost: This one felt different. Woke up in the middle of the night and saw a white figure stood near the doorway, looking at us in bed. Must be a trick of the light. I look around the room for possible causes. I can't find one. Weird. It looks so real. Hang on it's turning around a bit. It's moved. That is a figure. Shock, surprise. It seems bold. It's not hiding. "what the hell? Wake up". I nudged my wife a few times. It steps towards the door. My wife wakes up but sees nothing. I turn on the light as it fade from sight at the door. She saw nothing.

Conclusions: Did it not think I could see it? Was it real? Creepy coincidence when she hears the next day from her parents on the phone that her uncle died in the night. She didn't even he wasn't well. Neither did I. Something odd about it, but can't jump to conclusions. Have to keep an open mind. May be a trick of the mind or something.



Ghost

[pugwash84]

It would be really useful if all abductee's could find something they have in common to see why this was happening xx

[amor]

It is hard to forget the first pamphlet I received about little children of earth having been kidnapped, taken underground to work as slaves for the reptilians and subsequently eaten alive when the creature became hungry. Also, I have this nagging image of abducted humans either being butchered in mass assembly line style or hanging in a reptilian meat locker in a state of suspended animation until the lizard got hungry for living food. Unfortunately, thoughts that come to me like this have proven to be true in later rendition. God help us all.

[terragunn]

What we perceive to be Grey aliens are not aliens/extra-terrestrials at all. Would any of you be surprised that they are, in fact, humans from the ancient future?

[KiwiElf]

General Types of reported grey aliens:

* True extraterrestrial believed to have originated from Orion/Zeta Reticuli (allegedly the type encountered from crashed craft codenamed EBE-I in the late 40's early 50's; different physio-type encountered by Betty & Barney Hill)
* Part organic and robot (probably manufactured here as artificial life forms)
* Originating from Earth (or within the Earth) - may be related to the first type
* Hybrids
* Interdimensional/interspatial (ie time travellers, some allegedly hybrids of our future selves)

They all come in various shapes and sizes; 4-6 fingered, reptilian-based, 3 - 7ft in height (and some times miniatures being very small) (ie tall greys, big-nosed greys, reptilian greys etc), different skin colourings from white, grey sand-coloured. Anywhere from Hostile - neutral - positive/loving in demeanor, according to numerous reports. Some more "humanoid" looking than others.

They vary as much as humans do in appearance if not more so ;)

Sorry, but from the evidence collected over the years, I don't think there is any "one type" of grey ;)

[shadowstalker]

From what I have come to understand, there are 140+ different types of Grey's

[KiwiElf]

Yup - many are detailed in the document, BLUE PLANET PROJECT which I believe a link exists in the "Interesting Books in PDF" thread

[terragunn]

Acceptance of anecdotal evidence and hearsay without extensive research, dissection and discernment of such research, and continued follow up will, when spread, propagate distortion and misinformation. And I think we would all agree that there is an ample amount of manipulation and distortion of information on the Internet, in the media and the alternative media. As far as using resonance as a guide for what we feel is truthful, we are all of us in a constant state of vibrational flux, so what may resonate with us in one Now moment may not resonate with us in another. It is beneficial for increased understanding, awareness, and growth to acknowledge this: one paradigm shifts to another. But there comes a time when (to use an analogy) we must strip the armature of its external moulding, and concentrate on the armature itself. In the alternative media, there is far too much focus entrusted in the externalisations and accounts of phenomena not understood.

[DNA]

It is hard to forget the first pamphlet I received about little children of earth having been kidnapped, taken underground to work as slaves for the reptilians and subsequently eaten alive when the creature became hungry. Also, I have this nagging image of abducted humans either being butchered in mass assembly line style or hanging in a reptilian meat locker in a state of suspended animation until the lizard got hungry for living food. Unfortunately, thoughts that come to me like this have proven to be true in later rendition. God help us all.

Many of the people abducted and regressed past screen memories report much of what you are saying here. The hypnotist has to be first rate like Barbara Bartholic was for Dr. Karla Turner. Dr. Karla turner stated that there were so many cases of people recalling a butchering of humans type episode that she feared it was true. Further, Dr. Karla Turner stated that there were multiple cases of people witnessing their clones and in conjunction a small black stone that was used to pull the soul out of a person and place it in a newly made clone. John Lear has a friend who has written a couple of books, the man's name escapes me, but he has witnessed the same thing in terms of greys taking the soul of a person with a black stone and placing it in a newly made clone.

All of this lead Karla Turner to a conclusion she was not fond of, and may have contributed to her demise.
She came to the conclusion that the Reptilians are eating us, and that they demand their meat have the flavor of life and consciousness before it is consumed. As such we live a certain amount of time and then are removed and placed into a new body as our old bodies are consumed by the Reptilians.

I've had several points in this study where I had to back out of it for months at a time to deal with the psychological cognitive dissonance associated with this type of material. There is nothing wrong at all with avoiding this material all together.
At this time I have no idea if or how someone can defend themselves against this type of thing,,,if it is true.

[DNA]

Acceptance of anecdotal evidence and hearsay without extensive research, dissection and discernment of such research, and continued follow up will, when spread, propagate distortion and misinformation. And I think we would all agree that there is an ample amount of manipulation and distortion of information on the Internet, in the media and the alternative media. As far as using resonance as a guide for what we feel is truthful, we are all of us in a constant state of vibrational flux, so what may resonate with us in one Now moment may not resonate with us in another. It is beneficial for increased understanding, awareness, and growth to acknowledge this: one paradigm shifts to another. But there comes a time when (to use an analogy) we must strip the armature of its external moulding, and concentrate on the armature itself. In the alternative media, there is far too much focus entrusted in the externalisations and accounts of phenomena not understood.

I think the acronym K.I.S.S would be a suggested remedy to your writing style my friend.
I had to read your statement here like four times before I understood it, and that may be do to my dimness and even so, I think you could have stated this in a less verbose manner. In this post you are stating that folks who think they are being visited by beings from multiple places are wrong, where as you are more in line with thinking we are plugged into a false matrix like reality and that these aliens are rather than being from various places in time/space and dimensions are rather one single race from one single place/space.


I will state, I just do not think there is a one size fits all answer.
I've listened to the Dan Burisch material from Bill and Kerry, and if that is indeed the case, "that greys are humans who have evolved or devolved to look like greys in the future" I'm still of the opinion that it is one example in a cluster of many possible answers.

For one thing, the greys in Dr. Karla Turner's examples are absolutely being ruled and controlled by the Reptilians. Now where does that hold for your view that the Greys are humans from the ancient future so to speak?

[KiwiElf]

Forgive my answering your last question DNA - the idea of a hybrid grey-human may (just may...) come from the likes of Bashar whose alleged race, the Essassani are thousands of years old, and from our future (OK, there's some head spin on that) - the Essassani race has been possibly referred to before Bashar became known but with different spelling.

The MATRIX II Book also contains a huge discussion on the different alien species (that we allegedly know of) - hundreds. (The first 4 MATRIX books are downloadable from Avalon's vast archive, also on the thread I mentioned above)

[DNA]

Forgive my answering your last question DNA - the idea of a hybrid grey-human may (just may...) come from the likes of Bashar whose alleged race, the Essassani are thousands of years old, and from our future (OK, there's some head spin on that) - the Essassani race has been possibly referred to before Bashar became known but with different spelling.

The MATRIX II Book also contains a huge discussion on the different alien species (that we allegedly know of) - hundreds. (The first 4 MATRIX books are downloadable from Avalon's vast archive, also on the thread I mentioned above)

Hi KiwiElf :)

You know I'm a big fan of Val Valerian, and I'm pretty sure the Matrix books were placed on that Avalon archive by Bill per my request. The Matrix books have absolutely influenced my thinking on these things, but I will say that I stop short of viewing them as an absolute doctrine if you will. The Matrix II book for example was a hard book for me to get through. The cognitive dissonance was pretty loud in my mind while reading that book. It was kind of a good primer for me before I had gotten to Karla Turner.

So we are probably of pretty like minds on the issues.

Thanks

Have a good one

[lunaflare]

Thanks for all the posts. I wish to contribute, but I am not sure how. I have memories. sure. especially as a child. I just accepted these at the time. but the feeling remains. the feeling memory that is impossible to describe. hot red places that I visited and it did not feel good. woke sweating. often on the floor. torn sheets, wetting the bed even as an early teen. and other waking experiences too. I was not attracted to drugs. I did not wish to lose "power" of my mind/choices.

The fact that there is technology to plant memories/erase memories shows how little power we actually do have. Perhaps there are in fact universal laws and codes and if they are breached, there are consequences. Like the Police force here on earth. But what if those who are assigned to uphold these principals are somehow corrupted. There are no formulas. No "one size fits all"....

Firstly, the fact we are attracted to this forum suggests we are open and comfortable with the concept of inter/extra dimensional beings.
I think one could also conclude that there are countless variations of alien species/life forms. Our minds wish to classify and describe to render meaning.
I will make a few points.
Hospitals near military bases are suspect for potential tinkering. micro-chips and the like.
I was born near/on Port Riley, Kansas. Although it was "fashionable" at the time to have bottled formula, I was allergic to human breast milk. Like many, I suffer digestive issues, like many. bouts of fatigue.
At this time, it seems digestive issues are rampant. I suggest we are all inhabited by uninvited parasites.
They drain our health and vitality. They "feed" off life-force. They are not positive.

In his post, Bill mentioned the word "demoralized" after his experience.
It is a word that conjures a depletion of life force and low self worth.
It is rather new-agey to see the "positive" in an experience. If I was not raped/murdered/ abducted...I would not have...etc.
I am not canning that attitude, just pointing out that there is no conscious agreement and that, in my opinion, is violating.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm pretty sure the Matrix books were placed on that Avalon archive by Bill per my request.

:thumbsup:

http://projectavalon.net/Valdemar_Valerian_Matrix_I-IV.zip

[Hazelfern]

Good morning.
I think that people who have experienced this other worldly trauma make the most interesting companions, as long as they keep their wits about them and stay sober. Just don’t sleep in the same bed with them.
Something that I heard Leo Sprinkle say in an interview is about the only thing that I can say that made perfect sense, why not DO IT self? !
Take care of all the earth’s creatures and do not eat them, therefore you will not be eaten. That is me paraphrasing but you get the idea.
Easy peasy!

[DNA]

So I was listening to Coast to Coast am with George Knapp a couple of nights ago on September 18th.
Kathleen Martin and Stan Friedman were the guests for the entire show talking about their new book "UFO's Fact and Fiction".
Kathleen Martin was asked by Knapp "what would be the scariest aspect of the UFO phenomenon you have uncovered during your exposure to the subject?".
In a rather meh show, Kathleen's answer perked my ears up and made listening to the show worthwhile.
Might I add that Kathleen is the niece of Betty and Barney Hill. And that she is the head of some division of MUFON Experiencer Research and gathers UFO witness stories from various interviewers.
Kathleen stated that for her the scariest aspect of the UFO phenomenon is that after an abduction, there seems to be some kind of transdimensional door that has been opened, and that it seems that something rather diabolical often sneaks through and stays behind after the abduction.
Kathleen goes on to say that the presense seems to be some kind of shadow type presense, reptilian in nature.
Further more this entity that seems to have come through whatever opening the UFO has created stays behind after the UFO has left.
These negative entities seem to interfere in the lives of those who come in contact with the abductee and seem to be contagious. This even goes so far as following the interviewers for MUFON home and interfering with their lives.
Materializing shadow beings, with reptilian features.
Negative beings that are coming through that might attach themselves to the human, what we might think of in theology as demonic possession.
Are these beings coming from other planets using technology to walk through walls and take humans through walls, is this a case of like when we open a door and then the bugs come in? Are these phenomenon separate?
George Knapp goes on to say how this reminds him of Skinwalker Ranch.
Kathleen Martin's statement starts right after the break at two hour mark.
George and Kathleen both compare this phenomenon to a virus. George states that he has heard this before as well.


At the 2:00 hour mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoiCcIB3r6Q
XoiCcIB3r6Q

[peggy englebrake]

The first abduction I remember, I only remember the end. I was lying in my bed and when I opened my eyes there was a grey standing by my bedside and he looked surprised that I was awake. I slowly reached out my hand to touch him and he slowly extended his hand and we touched index fingers. He smiled at me. I seemed to know him. I was not afraid, just curious. Then I felt myself going back to sleep and thought "that's not right. For one thing, I have a few questions." My cats had been hiding under my bed. When this was going on I saw them more or less levitate out from under the bed and run out of the room and downstairs with their hair standing up. Part II of this is harder to tell. I wake up on the spaceship. My husband has been abducted also. We are lying in some kind of compartment on a dark blue carpet that covers an elevated couch or large bench. I feel disoriented but I go exploring. I am exploring what looks like a huge room that is a medical facility when one of the tall whites shows up and tells me (telepathically) I have to go into another room. I do so but I hide in a group of trees( in pots that are tagged, like they are going to be planted) that line one side of this room. On the other side is a small group of humans and a tall white. He motions me over to stand in front of him (I am 5'6', the top of my head comes to his axilla (armpit). He tells me I have a son and that they wish to reward me (again this is telepathic) and he pours something out of a vessel that he holds over my head. It is like a heavy white fog or cloud that drifts down around me. I think this is to try and convince or impress this group of people (I don't get a close look at them). Previously (I can't remember when), they told me that I had agreed to do this to help them. By the way I don't know if this has something to do with my having A Rhnegative blood.
Anyway, I wasn't too pleased to be told I had agreed to something that I can't remember. I don't ever remember being constrained (except being made unconscious) or treated unkindly, but how can you say for certain if you can't remember? I never had any marks on me. My husband doesn't remember this.
Be gentle. This is the first time I have ever told anyone this.

[Lifebringer]

It's our experience or badge;) Seriously there are many experienced people here. Some have had life after death experience, traumas, and abductions or visitations with angels. Here we just share to help others deal if they too are going through a "Mandela Effect" of discovery;)
We feel free to share because God knows we all need to have someone to talk to about these experiences if just to prove we are sane. 9 billion in the world or 7 billion, there are those who share common experience and knowledge to help others when they awaken. It's what I like best of Avalon. Just honest whenever courage comes, posting of something on their mind or heart. Questions, quests, seeking the truth.

Hat's off great topic.

[Lifebringer]

Something happened in the transfer and said the file was corrupted. ??? Idk, perhaps they've locked on to the Enterprise:-) Suggest you run a virus scan and repost the link. Maybe it's just mine, but it says the file is corrupted through my LibreOffice and won't transfer it. Might be worth a look to see if their are corrupting Avalon's archive? They are a little bunch of sneaks/snakes, and it wouldn't be the 1st time they've tried to attack here.
Eh?

[Lifebringer]

The danger is the partner's being included against their will also. The danger is the person's ability to accept what they are dealing with without losing their mind because they were never taught, whereas, the person experiencing it, has has some sort of adaption to the process of the abductions. I don't think of it as dangerous as much as deceiving the one you are with, hiding something of vital importance that will influence the relationship. Sort of like a "rape" which the woman must tell the mate about as sometimes there are violent swinging of arms in nightmares that you just can't say, "oh that was nothing."

Always be as honest about it as you can and then you can actually see the person's true reaction from the start. Follow up and make sure they don't call the men in the white coats. LOL Caution seems to be the true way to deal with it.

[DNA]

The first abduction I remember, I only remember the end. I was lying in my bed and when I opened my eyes there was a grey standing by my bedside and he looked surprised that I was awake. I slowly reached out my hand to touch him and he slowly extended his hand and we touched index fingers. He smiled at me. I seemed to know him. I was not afraid, just curious. Then I felt myself going back to sleep and thought "that's not right. For one thing, I have a few questions." My cats had been hiding under my bed. When this was going on I saw them more or less levitate out from under the bed and run out of the room and downstairs with their hair standing up. Part II of this is harder to tell. I wake up on the spaceship. My husband has been abducted also. We are lying in some kind of compartment on a dark blue carpet that covers an elevated couch or large bench. I feel disoriented but I go exploring. I am exploring what looks like a huge room that is a medical facility when one of the tall whites shows up and tells me (telepathically) I have to go into another room. I do so but I hide in a group of trees( in pots that are tagged, like they are going to be planted) that line one side of this room. On the other side is a small group of humans and a tall white. He motions me over to stand in front of him (I am 5'6', the top of my head comes to his axilla (armpit). He tells me I have a son and that they wish to reward me (again this is telepathic) and he pours something out of a vessel that he holds over my head. It is like a heavy white fog or cloud that drifts down around me. I think this is to try and convince or impress this group of people (I don't get a close look at them). Previously (I can't remember when), they told me that I had agreed to do this to help them. By the way I don't know if this has something to do with my having A Rhnegative blood.
Anyway, I wasn't too pleased to be told I had agreed to something that I can't remember. I don't ever remember being constrained (except being made unconscious) or treated unkindly, but how can you say for certain if you can't remember? I never had any marks on me. My husband doesn't remember this.
Be gentle. This is the first time I have ever told anyone this.


Thank you for sharing Peggy.
You seem to think these beings were the tall whites?
Did the being have a grey type head, or was it more human?
In so far as having Rh negative blood, there probably is something to that.
I'm glad to hear you have no physical marks. I could never understand why so many of the abductor types leave so many marks for the abductee to try and come to terms with.
I think you can relax in terms of sharing your experience if you would like Peggy.
I've had abduction type scenario situations I've awoke from.
My wife feels she has been a lifelong abductee, she struggles between just staying in denial about it, and acknowledging the situation at times when the abductions seem more traumatic. I let her decide when and how deep to get into it.
It's a touchy subject for folks, and although I admonish folks most of the time for not dealing with things in the shadow of their subconscious, this would not be one of those.
If folks are getting abducted and do not want to talk about it or even acknowledge it, that is their choice and I respect that.
In the final analysis, it often seems there is very little we can do in terms of halting the process, so if ignoring it provides respite then more power to folks.

[mojo]

In so far as having Rh negative blood, there probably is something to that

...interesting A- is my type... and never made a connection to the subject of abduction but about another connection, eating for your blood type, which seems to fit in my case for food preferences. Though the abduction or ET interest is intriguing.


there is very little we can do in terms of halting the process, so if ignoring it provides respite then more power to folks

Some of these abductors make this subject extremely complicated to define. Look at the Allagash 4 case, Travis Walton, Betty Hill, the Bentwaters case, and John Mack research. The term 'taken' seems to fit some cases better maybe helping to make a distinction from negative abductions.

[kirolak]

My mother was Rh negative, but I have no idea what blood type I have... . anyway, I recall telling some being years ago that they were "welcome to use my DNA or whatever; I was glad to do anything I could to help." Yet I had no real sense of what was being required of me. :(

[Michelle Marie]

I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee.

Being close to and dating is different!! Misleading title ;)


So in your rush to be the second poster on the thead and increase your likes you read the first line and made a comment without reading the rest of the thread. God we need more folks like you posting on Avalon! :thumbsdown:



I wonder if the paranormal community and abductee analysts are looking at intersecting phenomena. Paranormal folks talk about three claw marks always on the back, back of arms, back of legs. They say the three marks are to mock the Holy Trinity. Sounds similar to DNA's post.

Another similarity is the sleep paralysis.

Thank you Marikins for your post. It was the only post on this thread to hold any merit up to this point. I had never heard the deal with the scratch marks coming in threes, and for the record this was exactly how mine was, three distinct scratches.

For the record I don't think all abductees are alike, or their experiences. But I will say this, there is one common denominator.
The abductees are given a sense of purpose and feel as if they are somehow special or chosen because of their abduction.
Dr. Karla Turner talked about one of her regressions about an abduction that took place when she was a child.
In this abduction she was told by a large Mantis type alien in a dialogue, that she was the child of the Mantis Alien, and that the Mantis Alien was her mother. Karla Turner did not believe this at all, in fact she considered it a falsehood so that it would foster some kind of trust from her in the abductors. Does this sound familiar at all? It should for those who have read the Simon Parks material. Simon talks about this as if it were true, and it seems the desired result of creating a sense of loyalty to the abductors worked for Parks. In my opinion Parks is absolutely telling the truth about his abductions in so far as he is concerned, but I would not trust the agenda coming from parks, because it is an Alien agenda.
Dr. Turner stated do not trust what you are told in the abductions.
According to Turner, much of what is said is stated in a screen memory.
Dr. Turner used to call it a form of technological virtual reality.
One needs a practiced regression therapist to get past these screen memories.

The truth is often quite,,,horrible.
There appears to be REAL danger in being abducted. And if one is only being abducted because one is sleeping next to a regular abductee, then I think this danger is relevant and something that should be discussed.

And Further, it seems to me that we should be talking about the responsibility of an abductee to try and not put anyone else in harms way on that account.

You would want someone to tell you they had HERPES if you they were about to sleep with you. Right?
I think this question is just as valid.


I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!
I welcome debate on this topic, but the fact remains, if your personal sovereignty has been violated, how can this be called anything other than negative or evil.

That answers one of my questions. Of course doing anything against your free will choice would be negative.

But, if it is an encounter, and not an abduction, couldn't one have a positive experience? Is there anyone here that has had a positive encounter? I'm thinking yes.

I knew a couple that might have been Pleiadians. They seemed a little different and they wrote books about pleaidians.

I've never been abducted by an alien, but I've been abducted by a human and barely escaped with my life.

I have compassion for these types of personal violations. Sorry. :-(

MM

[Michelle Marie]

My mother was Rh negative, but I have no idea what blood type I have... . anyway, I recall telling some being years ago that they were "welcome to use my DNA or whatever; I was glad to do anything I could to help." Yet I had no real sense of what was being required of me. :(

What?!?!

A "being"?!?

What happened?

I've been very interested to find out more about this Rh negative thing. I have not found clear and comprehensive answers.

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting. ❤️🎅❤️

MM

[DNA]

That answers one of my questions. Of course doing anything against your free will choice would be negative.
Agreed.

But, if it is an encounter, and not an abduction, couldn't one have a positive experience? Is there anyone here that has had a positive encounter? I'm thinking yes.
It's hard to know the difference. Due to screen memories, Karla Turner gave a lot of credit to John Mack and David Jacobs in regards to screen memories being the norm rather than the exception when it comes to abductions.


I knew a couple that might have been Pleiadians. They seemed a little different and they wrote books about pleaidians.
Many of the screen memories use the image we would associate with Pleiadians.


I've never been abducted by an alien, but I've been abducted by a human and barely escaped with my life.
That sounds terrifying.


I have compassion for these types of personal violations. Sorry. :-(

MM
I do as well, absolutely.





I've been very interested to find out more about this Rh negative thing. I have not found clear and comprehensive answers.

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting. ❤️🎅❤️

MM
I'm pretty fond of Robert Sephyr and his short little take below on RH negative blood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls_ZtM1Itzs&t=138s
ls_ZtM1Itzs

[Michelle Marie]

Thanks, DNA. I have seen that particular video before. Specifically, I wanted to know about the connection with aliens/abductions and being targeted by the deep state, or illuminati (whatever you want to call the eugenicists committing genocide).

Here is one I hadn't seen before. There is copper-based Rh negative blood, and iron-based Rh negative blood.
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2015/05/chemtrails-target-rh-negative-indigos.html

Also, there is supposed to be a connection between Rh negative blood and morgellons.
Here is a link that mentions Rh negative blood in conjunction with morgellons.
http://rense.com/general91/hexa.htm


MM

[findingneo]

Having discussed the 3 scratches down the back with TrumanCash a few months back, regarding friends experiences, and wondering what they meant, he said that it is scratches from Greys claws rather than finger nails.

My life and my families life goes haywire when I once a year, go out to dinner with a friend that passes through for an event he works at. Indications are that he has abduction experiences. He channels an "Arcturian" around me, but I think (again having talked to TC) that this could well be a negative entity, possibly Grey which is at it. It is set on convincing me to "believe" in it. I take this as an attempt to drain my energy and that I don't trust it.

Whitley Streiber took friends to stay in his cabin in the woods where his book and the movie made from it (Communion) is set. They had abduction experiences there, so abductions are not just a potential for partners.

The Greys are apparently masters of energetic technology, or whatever you call it. John DeSouza has an excellent book called "The Extra-Dimensionals" which talks about and makes the inter-dimensional thing very understandable.It can be applied to any paranormal occurrence, making sense of it.

I have read in a few places that not all people can successfully be inter dimensionally transported. Some just can't cope with that sort of travel on a molecular level, but then there are those that can. And that certain DNA is easier to clone, stuff like that.

If someone is an abductee, then it gets passed on down the bloodline, apparently.

Just about everyone I know, has had sightings of craft. They don't realize lots of things that can add up to abductions. Long scratches on the back, scoop marks in the lower legs (and maybe elsewhere, blood spots on the pillow or sheets when there is no wound, probably it seems, due to implant implantation or removal, and unusually heavy blood noses due to the same. Feelings that their increasing psychic abilities are due to "their increased spiritual vibrations", a result of connecting to their guides and becoming more attuned to them, accepting and communicating with them, thinking that they are highly spiritual. That the "guides" must be good ,because they feel good and their abilities are increasing. Perhaps, but in many cases I think it might be a trade off that they are willing to accept, or perhaps some mind control that prevents them from seeing what is happening.

Bruises in private places or just big bruises that can't be explained. It seems that many, many folk are being affected in the communities, and they have no idea.

I am wondering what it was that happened after something happened online, an apparently AI warning on my pc. I wonder if it had happened before and someone was heading something off.I was very scared from the online thing. After some odd happenings online, straight after, I heard what sounded like bricks landing on the tin roof above my head, from a great height, and yet the house was at the top of the hill. It was the tallest object there. For some reason I kept thinking it was Greys about to come in, but nothing did. The very loud bangs went on for about 15 minutes. Deafening. Anyone had that?

[DNA]

Having discussed the 3 scratches down the back with TrumanCash a few months back, regarding friends experiences, and wondering what they meant, he said that it is scratches from Greys claws rather than finger nails.

My life and my families life goes haywire when I once a year, go out to dinner with a friend that passes through for an event he works at. Indications are that he has abduction experiences. He channels an "Arcturian" around me, but I think (again having talked to TC) that this could well be a negative entity, possibly Grey which is at it. It is set on convincing me to "believe" in it. I take this as an attempt to drain my energy and that I don't trust it.

Whitley Streiber took friends to stay in his cabin in the woods where his book and the movie made from it (Communion) is set. They had abduction experiences there, so abductions are not just a potential for partners.

The Greys are apparently masters of energetic technology, or whatever you call it. John DeSouza has an excellent book called "The Extra-Dimensionals" which talks about and makes the inter-dimensional thing very understandable.It can be applied to any paranormal occurrence, making sense of it.

I have read in a few places that not all people can successfully be inter dimensionally transported. Some just can't cope with that sort of travel on a molecular level, but then there are those that can. And that certain DNA is easier to clone, stuff like that.

If someone is an abductee, then it gets passed on down the bloodline, apparently.

Just about everyone I know, has had sightings of craft. They don't realize lots of things that can add up to abductions. Long scratches on the back, scoop marks in the lower legs (and maybe elsewhere, blood spots on the pillow or sheets when there is no wound, probably it seems, due to implant implantation or removal, and unusually heavy blood noses due to the same. Feelings that their increasing psychic abilities are due to "their increased spiritual vibrations", a result of connecting to their guides and becoming more attuned to them, accepting and communicating with them, thinking that they are highly spiritual. That the "guides" must be good ,because they feel good and their abilities are increasing. Perhaps, but in many cases I think it might be a trade off that they are willing to accept, or perhaps some mind control that prevents them from seeing what is happening.

Bruises in private places or just big bruises that can't be explained. It seems that many, many folk are being affected in the communities, and they have no idea.

I am wondering what it was that happened after something happened online, an apparently AI warning on my pc. I wonder if it had happened before and someone was heading something off.I was very scared from the online thing. After some odd happenings online, straight after, I heard what sounded like bricks landing on the tin roof above my head, from a great height, and yet the house was at the top of the hill. It was the tallest object there. For some reason I kept thinking it was Greys about to come in, but nothing did. The very loud bangs went on for about 15 minutes. Deafening. Anyone had that?
This was an excellent story, thank you very much for sharing it.
The thing with your friend wanting you to believe in "him" or rather his "channeled" entity, to me when folks want you to "love" them or "believe" in them what this really means is that you become energetically linked to them. This energetic link can often be something that lasts for quite a while.
This is why it is best to bestow belief sparingly.
I didn't know the deal with Whitley Streiber but this kind of example is exactly what I'm referring to with my OP and this thread in general.
Thank you again for the wonderful post. :)

[findingneo]

Thanks DNA. What does OP mean BTW? Is that to do with your wonderful OBE insights? Can you put a link in for me please?

I did not want to say before, because I was a little nervous, but I was going to stay with a beautiful friend I am sure is an abductee, for Xmas. Did a body check in the morning and felt fine so I think I was overlooked, and friend awoke happy Luckily it has been all quiet on the western front for said friend for a while. Of course I can't tell if the positive beings said friend intuit's are really Gray's telling porky pies, or really benevolent beings. Benevolent beings would have no problem knowing who or what else had been there I would guess. And I can't help wondering if they are benevolent, why they would let it happen or not work to assisting friend to prevent it.

[DNA]

Thanks DNA. What does OP mean BTW? Original post or the initial writing that started this thread.



Is that to do with your wonderful OBE insights? Can you put a link in for me please?
I've had a few but it was never my specialized field of study. Rather, opening one's third eye and experimenting from there was more my bag.
How To See A Ghost For Yourself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Yourself)
Ghosts were the first thing I started to see, then other things.


I did not want to say before, because I was a little nervous, but I was going to stay with a beautiful friend I am sure is an abductee, for Xmas. Did a body check in the morning and felt fine so I think I was overlooked, and friend awoke happy Luckily it has been all quiet on the western front for said friend for a while. Of course I can't tell if the positive beings said friend intuit's are really Gray's telling porky pies, or really benevolent beings. Benevolent beings would have no problem knowing who or what else had been there I would guess. And I can't help wondering if they are benevolent, why they would let it happen or not work to assisting friend to prevent it.
My pragmatism refuses me the ability to believe benevolent beings would abduct anyone.
Freewill is a big deal for benevolent beings.
As far as Karma is concerned freewill is the compass needle deciding the label in so far as interaction is concerned.
Here is a little secret I will tell you. Benevolent beings will never call themselves benevolent, they would never attempt to circumvent your judgement of them by altering or manipulating your perception of the situation.

[TrumanCash]

For anyone who might be interested I have posted my viewpoint of this thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=1199433&viewfull=1#post1199433).

[DNA]

For anyone who might be interested I have posted my viewpoint of this thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=1199433&viewfull=1#post1199433).

Thanks for pointing out this post I've not had a chance to read it as I never knew it existed. I will respond to it probably tomorrow. Good day. :)


I am posting my response to the "Don't Date An Abductee" thread here.

The title to that thread is based on no credible research. Just because one dates an abductee does not mean that they will also be abducted as well or that they will become involved with the abducting ETs.

If you're not already on their list you don't have to worry about a thing. I have dated numerous women who were not abductees and they had zero experiences with me.

My first wife was also not an abductee and had zero ET experiences with me.

My third wife was also not an abductee and had zero experiences with me.

The abducting ETs follow abductees from lifetime to lifetime so if you're not already on the list don't worry about it. You have more chance of being struck by lightning!

From my extensive research and experiences if you're dating an abductee and you're getting abducted, too, or having bad ET experiences it's because you're already on the list and probably have been for thousands of years.

My second wife who is in both of my books was already an abductee and we were abducted on our first date. We found that she also has been followed from lifetime to lifetime by the same abducting ETs.

My viewpoint is that the aforesaid thread is irresponsible and prejudicial. It's bad enough to be kidnapped and tortured by ETs from lifetime to lifetime without having people irresponsibly vilifying the "abductee" label. You might as well say things like:

Don't Date A Pale-skinned Person.
Don't Date A Dark-skinned Person.
Don't Date A Mexican.
Don't Date An Italian.
Don't Date A Catholic.
Don't Date A Muslim.
Don't Date A Jew.

(BTW, I've had three Jewish girlfriends, none of which were abductees and we had zero experiences together. The last Jewish partner I had lived with me and worked with me for over four years and she had zero experiences.)

Also, my father and oldest brother were not abductees and they were not being abducted either. My oldest son (by my first marriage) is not an abductee and had no experiences with me even though my second wife and I were both abductees and he lived with us for several years.

The problem that I am constantly running into is people who make non sequitur conclusions without doing any research whatsoever. I spent a couple decades of my life researching and the result was my two books (links below) which I gave to the world free of charge, yet very few people have read them or take them seriously.

Heaven forbid that people's beliefs and belief systems be exposed as falsehoods. As Paul Simon so aptly sang: "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

I have been encouraging people to conduct the same research I have done but so far no takers--No real truth seekers. My research--like a scientific experiment--can be duplicated with the same research results, but so far no one is doing it.

I went deeper down the rabbit hole than anyone else in the so-called "UFO" community. I had uncovered a much bigger picture of the alien matrix than anyone else had ever found. Yet my research has been mostly ignored and swept under the carpet due to mankind's ignorance and lack of interest in seeking truth.

Unlike people like Corey Goode or David Wilcock or channeled (dis)information my research can actually be verified by others yet no one wants to take the time to do it. Since the mid-90s I've had to put up with brainwashed "new agers" who arrogantly admonished me that I had "agreed" to be abducted because their favorite channeled entity (ET) said so. I eventually proved them and people like Wilcock to be wrong. In the words of Mr. Gump: Stupid is as stupid does.

I do not attend "UFO" conferences or want to feed my ego by standing at a podium and lecturing people on how the alien matrix works. It's already in my books. I am a private person who does not seek public attention. And I have already shown people how they, too, can do this very same research and make the same discoveries.

I published the results of my research in 1995 and 1996 respectively and at that time even Linda Moulton Howe did not believe me. However, now she finally understands what I was telling her over twenty years ago and has publicly come forth with this information that validates the information I sent to her in the mid-90s.

Other abductees also have validated my research recently as well without having read my books.

I am not just tooting my own horn or just being arrogant. I'm certainly not a genius--I only made these discoveries because I place truth seeking above everything else and I always QUESTION AUTHORITY. That is the essence of truth seeking.

The problem is that very few people are truth seekers. Most people are armchair philosophers and are too lazy to roll up their sleeves and do any kind of actual research (which takes years, by the way).

It seems that Avalon is becoming similar to social media platforms where people make unfounded, unresearched, prejudical statements that do not serve anyone.

I have come to the conclusion that there is little or no hope for mankind to evolve. Mankind is not interested in seeking truth. Until that happens expect never-ending wars, strife, chaos, prejudice and a global police/cashless/surveillance state.

At this point I only want to enjoy the remainder of my life inasmuch as that is possible on this insane planet. I currently see no point in continuing to post here or on any other forum.

[findingneo]

Thanks for the clarification TrumanCash. I consider you to be "The" authority on these things, as much as anyone can be.

Sorry I was nervous staying overnight at said friends. I still did it. It is a natural response to consider the danger possibilities when you don't know what the answer really is. If you say it, then that is good enough for me.

I am sure that information will straighten out a lot of folk.

Regarding my question about different groups, both negative and positive supposedly interacting with the same abductee, that was inspired by both my friend believing she had mainly benevolent ET's guiding her, and your experience of the negative ET's posing also as the positive ET's. I was wondering if it is possible or how prevalent good Et's interact with abductees, or if all abductees are having the wool pulled over their eyes? I can understand that folk would want to believe a neg ET playing good cop, was a good ET.

When it comes to your work, I am guilty of not reading it all yet. I am better with reading it in paper form. I really appreciate you posting it for free, and I really should just get it printed out. When it is online, I tend to forget it for a bit. Out of sight, out of mind. One of my foibles.

But I do value your work very much TrumanCash.

DNA thanks for the OP clarification. I think you have most likely misinterpreted my benevolent/negative ET post. By definition, I would not put an ET that abducts into the benevolent category, and I don't think that anyone at all has given permission on a soul level to be abducted. What I was meaning was, is it truly possible for any ET abductee to be in contact with a benevolent race and the Abducting Grey's? I ask because I hate to see people continue to be manipulated when they think they are choosing what is best for them on a soul level. I know, look within, not without, but folk understandably want to have more control over their lives, and for there to be good ET's interacting with them, not just the negative. On some level I don't feel it is possible, due to feeling it would be unlikely for a high level being to not be aware of interference to their contactee from lower levels. I think that is a give away, but I am looking for possibilities that my presumption is wrong or flexible. I think I know what your answer will be to that Truman Cash, and, I should just go and get your book printed.

Thanks, both of you.

[Hazelfern]

Yeah, sorry but we all have a story to tell. There is no authority in this thread, it's for a lighter side after all.

[DNA]

The title to that thread is based on no credible research. Just because one dates an abductee does not mean that they will also be abducted as well or that they will become involved with the abducting ETs.
In Dr. Karla Turner's book "taken" she notes how family members visiting her house all show signs of abduction. Scratches in places they can't reach and puncture marks that have no explanation.
I've pretty much based this thread on two sources of information, Dr. Karla Turner and my own personal experience while visiting a relative where the same thing happened to me that Karla mentions happened to visitors to her house.
Just curious, did you read any part of the thread other than the title? I'm going to answer for you "no, no you did not".


[B]
[B]If you're not already on their list you don't have to worry about a thing.
This is absolutely false.
Wrong place and wrong time absolutely play a role.
Happens all the time. I live in Snowflake AZ, the movie "fire in the sky" ring a bell?


I have dated numerous women who were not abductees and they had zero experiences with me.
Most abductions are not allowed to be remembered. This is so universally known I could ask a random person in a coffee shop and they would probably know this.
If you do remember something you are remembering what the aliens "want" you to remember, and this "memory" may have never actually happened, it could be a screen memory, a false memory. You would need an experienced regresionist to get past the screen memories, like Dr. Daivd Jacobs or Barbara Bartholic.


[B]My first wife was also not an abductee and had zero ET experiences with me.

That she knows about.


[B]My third wife was also not an abductee and had zero experiences with me.

I'm starting to note that these women must have felt that something was a miss, as it seems they ended the relationship.
My sister of whom I started this thread talking about, ended her relationship with the man who was a life long abductee. She knew nothing of abduction but said that the house was infested with scorpions and that there was no way to get rid of them as such she "ended a marriage" because of them.
Now I'm no psychotherapist but it seemed to me that this was a way for her conscious mind to legitimize what her unconscious mind knew was going on and wanted to act on.


The abducting ETs follow abductees from lifetime to lifetime so if you're not already on the list don't worry about it. You have more chance of being struck by lightning!
Dr. Karla Turner stated that in her studies at least 5% of the US population has experienced some kind of abduction.
I personally think it is much higher, and this is quite a bit higher than your chance of a lightning strike.


[B]From my extensive research and experiences if you're dating an abductee and you're getting abducted, too, or having bad ET experiences it's because you're already on the list and probably have been for thousands of years.
Well it's nice to know you have made yourself the expert here.
I'll decline believing your statement based on it's source and state there is no evidence for this.



My viewpoint is that the aforesaid thread is irresponsible and prejudicial. It's bad enough to be kidnapped and tortured by ETs from lifetime to lifetime without having people irresponsibly vilifying the "abductee" label. You might as well say things like:
I'm speaking where the evidence has led me.
Am I being a racist? A misogynist? Antisemitic?
I'm simply stating the facts.
If you were about to sleep with someone who had a sexually transmitted disease you would want to know. Right?
I personally think the abduction scenario is some bad mojo.
I would not want that situation and or have anything to do with it if I had the choice before hand.


[B]Don't Date A Pale-skinned Person.
Don't Date A Dark-skinned Person.
Don't Date A Mexican.
Don't Date An Italian.
Don't Date A Catholic.
Don't Date A Muslim.
Don't Date A Jew.
How about Don't Date A Drama Queen. Grow some cohonies and man up already.
I agree the title of the thread is a little insensitive, and I did that on purpose, but I felt it only fair since abductees often have this deluded sense of self importance and think that they are on a mission chosen by an advanced race when nothing could be further from the truth in my opinion.



[B]The problem that I am constantly running into is people who make non sequitur conclusions without doing any research whatsoever. I spent a couple decades of my life researching and the result was my two books (links below) which I gave to the world free of charge, yet very few people have read them or take them seriously.
Oh I've done my research.
I think the next thread title I have in mind is, don't believe anything an abductee says or writes because they are compromised individuals.
And that would be per Dr. David Jacobs.

I think we are done here.
Good Day

[findingneo]

Hi again DNA. Sounds like you know your stuff too.

With so much experience between so many, I see huge potential for moving forward when it comes to working out likely answers to so many questions. That is what this forum is for. I hugely appreciate folk talking about these things. Between you, you could work out a great deal. I know it is very emotive, but I think that is part of the fire wall of working out what is going on. Individually, you both seem to have worked out a lot of stuff, but there are obviously things that are not agreed upon as real potential answers.

So why not put differences aside, and discuss possible reasons why your opinions are different and what that might mean. It does not really mean one is wrong and the other is right, it just might mean that if you talk about it, and discuss it, you can maybe see it from a perspective where the view is different from what you both see, and you find you are both correct. One thing I found when I talked to a being for hours, was that every time I thought I had it cornered with my questioning, trying to trip it up with it's story, it gave another perspective and more information, from which, what it was saying made sense. Not saying this being was a good dude at all, but it made me realize, we think too black and white. You guys, and I know it is emotive, if you can find a way to talk, you would be dynamite. And not in a bad way.

Anyone else who has something to contribute? I would love to hear it.

I have not ruled out I am an abductee. I don't think so, but maybe. I think loads of people are too, loads more than the usual estimates, and don't know it.

[Innocent Warrior]

A couple of weeks ago I had a nightmare. I can't remember the nightmare, only that it woke me up and when I woke up a scary sounding disembodied voice said my son's name quite loudly. It sounded menacing so I immediately went to my son who was sleeping and moved him to the same room as me so I could keep an eye on him.

Everything seemed fine, nothing else strange happened that day but then a couple of days later I found three fresh, long scratches and one shorter one on the back of his neck. He could reach where they were but you could tell he didn't do them, same fine, deep scratches that have been reported here. I asked him how he scratched his neck and he told me that he didn't and that he didn't know they were there. I asked him if he had any nightmares lately and he hadn't.

I had assumed it was an attack from some malevolent ED being but it was four scratches (they usually leave three) and the scratches were deeper and finer than the scratches I've seen from that.

But then if it was an abduction, why did I hear that voice? Does that sort of thing happen?

I had assumed I was being attacked by some ED being and they were using my son to scare me. We both have experienced encounters with both malevolent and benevolent beings but this hasn't happened before.

I made no big deal of it with my son, he's aware I keep an eye on him but we didn't talk about it, he's not much interested in any of this and he's not bothered as long as I'm not. So I played it cool and for some reason haven't investigated it myself yet, I'll do that but have a couple of questions; has anyone experienced something similar to this? If so, did you find out what happened, was it an ED being or was it an abduction, or what?

To abductees (same applies for contactees and experiencers); someone who really loves you and is meant for you won't give a sh*t, or if they do they'll be compassionate and strong about it. There's no point in arguing about whether others around you are affected or not, that's not the point anyway, love is. If someone doesn't want to date you because you're an abductee then you don't want them anyway.

[petra]

Oh I've done my research.
I think the next thread title I have in mind is, don't believe anything an abductee says or writes because they are compromised individuals.
And that would be per Dr. David Jacobs.


Hi DNA, I appreciate this thread a lot, even the bit of joking involved. I don't want to call my self an "abductee" because I have never seen or imagined anything I could consider an alien, but something weird is still definitely going on. Point is, I do feel compromised in some way.

The thing about scratches really set off a lot of bells in my head. About 7 or 8 years ago I was involved with a man who I noticed scratch marks on his back, and I just thought it meant that he had sex with a girl who had long nails. I chose not to mention the scratches because I assumed he knew about them. I indirectly destroyed that man's life - I never meant to, but it happened. I heard rumors that he is happy now.... but I don't know for sure. In my mind, the more I leave him alone, the better off he will be.

[findingneo]

Folk who have been abducted, often have screen memories, but like Dr Jacob's, Truman Cash is highly experienced in removing the layers of screen memories to get to what is underneath DNA.

When it comes to getting answers, I am referring to the whole abduction/alien scenario. Certainly folk will love a person, or not. Folk can leave their partner because they snore, others may stay and continue to love their partner after their partner has lost their legs in an accident. I am just saying, it might be good to work it out.....for humanity.

Rachel, I started to write about what happened to me, and then I deleted it. I fought something off a few years back, when I woke into my astral. It was like when Neytiri tries to wake Jake in Avatar. His avatar is asleep, while he is conscious in the human world, and his avatar is in the path of a bulldozer. Neytiri tries to wake him.

What happens in mine is that I am asleep. Empty blackness. Then I am awake (in the astral) and aware and I know my higher self is yelling at something on top of me. My higher self is saying, "In the name of Jesus, get off of her!" I immediately start screaming the same at this thing right in my face. It is right up at my face and screaming, "I WILL CONTROL YOU!" It screams it a few more times and with me yelling the "Jesus" thing, it quickly goes mute, and then I wake and sit up in fright, sweating profusely.

I was not as scared as you would expect. My higher self had my back. And saying "In the name of Jesus" really worked. Please note I am not religious, but I do consider myself spiritual.

The next night, I went to sleep and again I woke into a dream. This time I walked into a community house where there were about 40 people. Each was between the ages of 20 and 35. I was joining all these volunteers to cook a vegetarian meal for the homeless. There were folk out in the garden, picking vegetables, and folk chopping and slicing them to cook. They looked at me as I came in and smiled. It felt very comfortable. One of them began to sing, "Lean On Me", and very quickly everyone joined in, even me. It was really a beautiful feeling. I knew at once, that every one of those people, was the essence of Jesus. I was being told by this dream, that there is bad, but there is also good.

I sound like I am religious, but I'm not. I wondered if this dream was put there by the bad guys too, but although they can fake it, they could not fake the love I felt come to me that night in my dream.

So was that negative experience related to abductions? I reckon it is Rachel. Inter-dimensional. I would try this. Spend some time in a quiet spot, on a regular basis, asking your higher self to protect you, and your son. Ask yourself to wake you into your astral if you or your son are attacked there, and ask your higher self to use "In the name of Jesus, get away from me and my son". Keep yelling it right back at them. You could also ask to be woken if either of you are attacked.

When folk are going to be regressed, by talking about what they want to find out, they are letting their higher selves know what they are wanting to find out. The higher self will either go directly to past lives that are the most relevant to the question, or it will redirect you to more important issues. Your higher self is recording everything your soul has ever experienced, but it generally does not communicate with you, in your everyday human life. Regression makes a connection between your waking self and your higher self that has limitless access to everything you have ever experienced. If you acknowledge it and communicate with it, just by talking out loud for instance as if you were talking to another person, it will listen. Try that. I would also state strongly, out loud that you do NOT give permission for anyone or anything to come into your body, aura, energy body, soul, higher self, etc, and your son, and that you, and he are sovereign, and that anything must get out and get away permanently and leave you both alone. Maybe you have tried these things.

BTW, I figure one of two things brought this attack about. It was either because someone I knew in the ufo field, came around for dinner to my home for the first time ever, along with my other ufo friends, (and I discovered later that he had an attachment, quite a nasty one), or, because I, shortly after, suspecting that he had, and then (having watched an online video) said out loud that I wished for the veil to be taken from my eyes so I could see the unseen. That was it. 2 nights later and I woke to that attack in the astral. One might say that I just saw what might have happened before, but I think the dinner party with uninvited friend caused the havoc. Things go haywire for 2-3 weeks when I meet him for a meal once a year when he passes by. We eat out. I make sure I go to the cleaners after. I must note, the other two ARE abductees, and there are no problems.


That song sung by the choir in my dream, all the way through.
Lean On Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEXQkrllGbA

[petra]

The idea of fake memories or even fake dreams was hard to accept at first. Once I started to realize my memory was being messed with while I was using it, I found I was questioning everything bit of sensory input I was receiving and I could barely trust myself anymore. The only way I was able to calm down was to simply accept my lack of control.

In my mind there's no denying that dreams and memories can be manufactured, but at the same time I definitely think there's something to be learned (or at least gleaned) from the fake stuff.

The way I look at it is, every kind of psychic attack would have a chance to backfire. By backfire I mean help you, as opposed to hurt you.

[william r sanford72]

I remember meeting becca/wife the first time through letters and then face to face... also knew I loved her the second we meant..she to felt it also..sat her down and told her everything at the time about my life where it had lead me and why..all of it... good and bad..every dirty demon and now..flash forward 20 years..3 children..good kids..good souls...and a life time created from love..i was given a second chance...despite the abductions or whatever you call them..whaterver IT is you lable it...despite what I was and did..Thank the creator there was someone that loved me..loves me for who iam...and children!!!I have a family!!!..I will always bee gratefull for all that has happenend in my life good and bad if it leads me again to the point I find myself..
ah why would you believe me anyways i am just an x junky convict abductee..right:bigsmile:

[Innocent Warrior]

Rachel, I started to write about what happened to me, and then I deleted it. I fought something off a few years back, when I woke into my astral. It was like when Neytiri tries to wake Jake in Avatar. His avatar is asleep, while he is conscious in the human world, and his avatar is in the path of a bulldozer. Neytiri tries to wake him.

What happens in mine is that I am asleep. Empty blackness. Then I am awake (in the astral) and aware and I know my higher self is yelling at something on top of me. My higher self is saying, "In the name of Jesus, get off of her!" I immediately start screaming the same at this thing right in my face. It is right up at my face and screaming, "I WILL CONTROL YOU!" It screams it a few more times and with me yelling the "Jesus" thing, it quickly goes mute, and then I wake and sit up in fright, sweating profusely.

I was not as scared as you would expect. My higher self had my back. And saying "In the name of Jesus" really worked. Please note I am not religious, but I do consider myself spiritual.

The next night, I went to sleep and again I woke into a dream. This time I walked into a community house where there were about 40 people. Each was between the ages of 20 and 35. I was joining all these volunteers to cook a vegetarian meal for the homeless. There were folk out in the garden, picking vegetables, and folk chopping and slicing them to cook. They looked at me as I came in and smiled. It felt very comfortable. One of them began to sing, "Lean On Me", and very quickly everyone joined in, even me. It was really a beautiful feeling. I knew at once, that every one of those people, was the essence of Jesus. I was being told by this dream, that there is bad, but there is also good.

I sound like I am religious, but I'm not. I wondered if this dream was put there by the bad guys too, but although they can fake it, they could not fake the love I felt come to me that night in my dream.

So was that negative experience related to abductions? I reckon it is Rachel. Inter-dimensional. I would try this. Spend some time in a quiet spot, on a regular basis, asking your higher self to protect you, and your son. Ask yourself to wake you into your astral if you or your son are attacked there, and ask your higher self to use "In the name of Jesus, get away from me and my son". Keep yelling it right back at them. You could also ask to be woken if either of you are attacked.

Hi, thanks for all this.

I meditated on it and I sensed nothing about an abduction, it seems it was my son who was attacked by what I refer to as an extra-dimensional being (ED being), what exactly it was I don’t know, something malevolent obviously. It’s surprising to me that he doesn’t remember anything of it, which is another reason I was concerned it was an abduction.

My son and I are OK, I’ve only ever intervened for my son once and if he’d not been scratched I likely wouldn’t have asked folks on this thread about this incident. If I notice any effects on his energy or character I’ll intervene, short of that I trust he’s capable of handling it himself, he’s coming in to his late teens and his experience is extensive now.


When folk are going to be regressed, by talking about what they want to find out, they are letting their higher selves know what they are wanting to find out. The higher self will either go directly to past lives that are the most relevant to the question, or it will redirect you to more important issues. Your higher self is recording everything your soul has ever experienced, but it generally does not communicate with you, in your everyday human life. Regression makes a connection between your waking self and your higher self that has limitless access to everything you have ever experienced. If you acknowledge it and communicate with it, just by talking out loud for instance as if you were talking to another person, it will listen. Try that. I would also state strongly, out loud that you do NOT give permission for anyone or anything to come into your body, aura, energy body, soul, higher self, etc, and your son, and that you, and he are sovereign, and that anything must get out and get away permanently and leave you both alone. Maybe you have tried these things.

Yes, I understand and agree. It was my HS that told me that I can move when I’m paralysed, that it just feels like I can’t, and that’s how I’ve broken free every single time, sometimes it’s a bit of a battle of wills and I have to shift my focus to within first but it always works for me.


BTW, I figure one of two things brought this attack about. It was either because someone I knew in the ufo field, came around for dinner to my home for the first time ever, along with my other ufo friends, (and I discovered later that he had an attachment, quite a nasty one), or, because I, shortly after, suspecting that he had, and then (having watched an online video) said out loud that I wished for the veil to be taken from my eyes so I could see the unseen. That was it. 2 nights later and I woke to that attack in the astral. One might say that I just saw what might have happened before, but I think the dinner party with uninvited friend caused the havoc. Things go haywire for 2-3 weeks when I meet him for a meal once a year when he passes by. We eat out. I make sure I go to the cleaners after. I must note, the other two ARE abductees, and there are no problems.

I think a lot of the time it is because of this, it seems to come with the territory. Also, on occasion, my son and I dream of events before they happen, a lot of the time they are tragic events. After a while I began helping where I could from the information I received. I’ve noticed a pattern of more attacks at times when I’m doing that and other ED/ID work and far fewer attacks when I’m more physically focussed. I’ve heard some people say it happens because our vibration isn’t high enough but I don’t think it’s as black and white as that, it’s likely subject to a variety of reasons but we experience both high and low vibrational beings and the attacks are often subject to our intent and who’s agenda that encroaches on.

My attitude is similar to what Petra has written, I have learned a great deal from both positive and negative experiences. They attack at their own cost because I learn something new every time and as long as they don’t wear me down I can handle it myself, although I’m aware I’m being protected from what I can’t yet manage and have been assisted by my HS and friends when I needed the help.

@Petra I don’t know how they do it but I’m also certain they do create dreamscapes in which we can end up in, the set up is much like the one in the movie, Inception, where they’re the architects. I have reoccurring dreamscapes in which they are always there and I used to have some doubt about if it was real until one time they got a hold of me there and then they were on me here in the physical when I woke up to exit the dream. So at least some of those dreams are real, so take care, if you can manage it (hard to in a confused state), don’t react to them or engage with them in any way, that’s how they complete a connection to you.

[findingneo]

Hi Rachel, very interesting, thanks.
Can I ask, how you differentiate between an abduction to an ED attack? For instance, where do you feel both beings originate from? I think there are links, just not sure exactly what, regarding both beings. Good luck by the way. Love to you and your son.

DNA, I read your post on fast moving beings in a craft, then lost it when I had to go do something else. Can you please put a link here for me? Thanks.

[Flash]

decided to erase my post as it is to me quite personal experiences and that it does not seem useful to this thread

[Innocent Warrior]

Hi Rachel, very interesting, thanks.
Can I ask, how you differentiate between an abduction to an ED attack? For instance, where do you feel both beings originate from? I think there are links, just not sure exactly what, regarding both beings. Good luck by the way. Love to you and your son.

Outside experiences and dreams I'm not very psychic, but I'm empathic, so what i usually do is intend to sense the being/s, then I’ll focus on my heart and I can feel my reaction to it and then from that I can often get a pretty good idea of the nature and/or the intent of the being/s. In this case I focussed on the voice I heard. Then I have a couple of methods I can use to check the accuracy of what I sensed. Then I trust that if I have it wrong I’ll be made aware of that in a timely manner.

I think there are links too, in some cases anyway. My son would tell me all sorts of strange things when he was little, I was pretty much clueless at the time but after enough incidences and time I could piece enough together and I do think he has been abducted, although I prefer not to use that term due to the nature of those beings, which I don’t get into because I might end up in a pointless, emotionally charged argument with someone. Well at the same time he had an “imaginary friend” he called Mr Nobody (he told me he was imaginary because nobody else could see him), who turned out to be demonic in nature, later confirmed by my son himself. It’s possible his contact with ET type beings attracted the attention of Mr Nobody and others, I'm not certain but that's my best guess.

Thank you for the love, love to you too.

[Omni]

I totally disagree with the title of the thread. As if people being falsely labeled nutcases need further marginalization.

[findingneo]

Ok, I'm getting it. DNA, TrumanCash and Omnisense are presenting as angry because that title is hurting them I think. I think that it is maybe unintentionally disrespectful too. I didn't notice until Omnisense was upset and then I could see it. Those guys have been through more than I could imagine or cope with, are far braver than me, and it must sting if they are getting upset about it. Having been not aware of how emotive this subject can be myself, maybe you could change the title? I don't know what you have been through DNA, but if Truman Cash and Omnisense are upset, it must hurt.

I really found that post you have somewhere regarding the fast moving beings very interesting, BTW. I will look for it.

Hi again Rachel, if you were to read John DeSouza's, the Extra-Dimensionals, he would say in his book that the craft and the grays in them all come from the same place that ghosts, and the less pleasant Mr Nobody's, along with anything else paranormal come from. When the ET's come through, they tear the dimensional fabric between our dimension and the dimension the ET's come from, which can stay open for a few weeks maybe after a visit, and things can leak through the hole or use it intentionally. I think the greys probably materialize into 3D on this side, but there will be things that can't, and so manipulate this dimension any way they can. Hence, Mr Nobody.

I have read a book on past and future life regression by Dr Bruce Goldberg before I did my course, and then I saw a few of his shows with George Noory on GAIA. The one I am thinking of I think must have gone, unless I missed it, but in one, Bruce mentions some methods that assist in reducing the success of abductions by Greys. If you can block the Grays, then possibly you block the others from a door left open after a visit. I suggest that if you have GAIA, you watch all Bruce Goldbergs interviews with George Noory in case he gives some clues there that I missed the second time around. Otherwise, you could email him and ask him what things can be done to possibly block Grey's visiting.

I recall him mentioning, putting the biggest piece of IRON under the beds. Sounds like a superman, Kryptonite kind of make believe thing, but he is serious. Bruce does not say why iron, but having seen an old, short clip on youtube a few months ago with a military employee called "Cooper" that said captured greys could only be contained if they were surrounded in a faraday cage or they would literally disappear, I would say the iron somehow disrupts whatever electro magnetic tech the greys use to "appear". Bruce also mentioned crosses. Lots of them. They apparently repel Greys. Thinking in modern terms, I wonder if they do hold a kind of Jesus divine vibration of energy that they just can't tolerate because they are not from the same place. Just guessing there. And a few other things as well. I doubt the crosses even need to be visible, just present. And some other stuff which I can't remember. It might have been garlic. They do say myth has some elements of truth, hence some familiar mythical solutions. Anyway, I am pretty sure Bruce could assist. He could probably also regress you as well if you wanted to find out, what's what.

[Innocent Warrior]

I took the title to be a hyperbole? Like using an extreme to make a point but the extreme isn't meant to be taken literally, or am I being dense?

[findingneo]

I am sure there was no ill intent, but some folk are affected. I have been on DNA's end just recently you might recall, so I am just realizing this is a similar situation. Sort of. I did not really notice until TrumanCash and Omnisense pointed out that they were feeling it. Then I saw it, eventually. Learning as I go.

[findingneo]

Ok, I have just noticed the thread has been around for a few years. I thought it was new. Just ignore me maybe might be the best thing. (Awkward!)

[DNA]

Ok, I'm getting it. DNA, TrumanCash and Omnisense are presenting as angry because that title is hurting them I think. I think that it is maybe unintentionally disrespectful too. I didn't notice until Omnisense was upset and then I could see it.
If they are upset then they should not be taking themselves so seriously.
I never said Don't Date A TrumanCash or Don't Date An Omnisense.
They were triggered by a thread subject title.
Why were they triggered?
Think about that.
They are not commenting on any of the subject matter within the thread, nor the merit implied in the question of the title which is "should you as an abductee be responsible for putting others at risk by exposing them to your abductors?".
Abductees who are writing books and repeating the message they have been given by their abductors may take offense to the idea that they have a responsibility "not to infect" others with their situation.
A huge part of the abduction phenomenon involves grooming the ego of the abductee to believe they are "important" and are "chosen" for a special mission.
People who are regressed by therapists capable of getting past the "screen" or "fake" memories that have been implanted by a technologically superior society who possess mind and memory manipulation often find that behind the "important" mission these people supposedly been given there is a dark and macabre practice taking place, something no sane mortal man would ever willingly enter into.
What if someone who had AIDS was offended at the idea that they should have to disclose their situation before possibly infecting you?
Would you care about their feelings more than you cared about getting AIDS?
In my opinion many of these abduction scenarios are far worse than getting AIDS, especially if the situation is transferred to close family members such as your children.



Those guys have been through more than I could imagine or cope with, are far braver than me, and it must sting if they are getting upset about it. Having been not aware of how emotive this subject can be myself, maybe you could change the title?
I feel bad for these guys I really do, and if this thread upsets them then they should practice a little detachment and ignore it.
They can put me on ignore for that matter.
When I was reading the Dr. Karla Turner books and they are the best of their kind in my opinion, I couldn't help but to wonder to myself the responsibility of the abductee to disclose their possible effed up situation to someone they are intimately inviting into their lives.
And by the way, Dr. Karla Turner's assessment of the abduction situation is that the Greys work for the Reptilians.
Their job is to herd certain humans as cattle.
Furthermore the Reptilians eat humans, but only the bodies of humans that have been flavored with a soul and as such have had emtions to marinate the flesh.
Dr. Turner remarks how there seems to be a cloning operation where the Greys via the Reptilians can pull a human soul out of it's body and insert it into a fresh clone.
They then eat the marinated body.
There seem to be many horrors experienced between all of this.


I don't know what you have been through DNA, but if Truman Cash and Omnisense are upset, it must hurt.
I really found that post you have somewhere regarding the fast moving beings very interesting, BTW. I will look for it.
Detachment, they must practice detachment, especially in so far as I never showed up on their threads making personal statements against them.
Had I showed up in their thread making these statements then I would agree that this would have been insensitive, but this thread has been up for over two years now. There is no way I'm changing the title short of Bill Ryan himself asking me to.
They were triggered, why I can only guess, but it could be that they have some pride in their situation and they do not like the idea of folks looking at their situation as something to not be desired.


Hi again Rachel, if you were to read John DeSouza's, the Extra-Dimensionals, he would say in his book that the craft and the grays in them all come from the same place that ghosts, and the less pleasant Mr Nobody's, along with anything else paranormal come from.
I'm a fan of John Keel and I'm a fan of high strangeness.
Skinwalker Ranch, portal zones, Sasquatch, Dogman and yes ghosts.
I'm not just an armchair researcher, I've spent time in the field.
I spent years meditating to the point I could see and maintain a limited form of communication with ghosts and such.
I've seen some crazy things, and I've been able to interact. I've shown others my methods and they have worked amazingly well, especially for beginners.
It really isn't that hard.
I say all of this because all of these things do not come from the same place. Unless mankind is in a prison, a prison where the bars are removal of multidimensional capability and then I suppose you could say all of these things come from the same place in the sense that they come from a place where they are multidimensional beings with a much broader understanding of reality than we have.


When the ET's come through, they tear the dimensional fabric between our dimension and the dimension the ET's come from, which can stay open for a few weeks maybe after a visit, and things can leak through the hole or use it intentionally.
On the Gorman ranch from the "Hunt for the skinwalker" book, digging is a no no. There was a stipulation in the deal when they bought the ranch that they would contact that prior owners to make sure it was okay to dig in certain spots.
When the national institute of scientific discovery began doing research on the ranch after they bought it from the Gormans they found that they could generate more activity by digging. It seemed that digging on the grounds would pertube and annoy the "extra-dimensional" denizens of the area.
My personal hypothesis for this was that there was an underground alien base, and in my mind this base was rock and metal and this base I had always thought was either "using" a portal zone that is naturally occurring in the area due to ley lines traversing the earth. I say this because it "appears" that many animals and cryptids are using the portals as if they have evolved the ability to see and use them, much like birds have evolved magnatite in their brains and as such are capable of perceiving the magnetesphere to the point that they can use it for their migrations as a sort of map.
The idea that cryptids and animals have "evolved" the ability to use portals in my mind would make the portal a "natural" occurance. Right?
And this adds the multidimensional perception I was alluding to earlier.




I have read a book on past and future life regression by Dr Bruce Goldberg before I did my course, and then I saw a few of his shows with George Noory on GAIA. The one I am thinking of I think must have gone, unless I missed it, but in one, Bruce mentions some methods that assist in reducing the success of abductions by Greys. If you can block the Grays, then possibly you block the others from a door left open after a visit. I suggest that if you have GAIA, you watch all Bruce Goldbergs interviews with George Noory in case he gives some clues there that I missed the second time around. Otherwise, you could email him and ask him what things can be done to possibly block Grey's visiting.
I recall him mentioning, putting the biggest piece of IRON under the beds.
This is interesting.
I've personally noted that ghosts have a harder time with denser materials. Not because they "can't" move through the denser material, like rock or granite and such but because they can't take the stolen life force or energy that they need. Ghosts feed on the life force of human beings, and when they pass through dense material that stolen life force will stay in the dense material. So ghosts avoid dense material, and the idea that you can surround yourself with dense building materials and as such discourage ghosts has always been known to me.
This statement about the Iron is pretty cool.
I've often thought that Greys alter the matter in certain areas via some kind of techonology so that they can "pass" through solid matter.
Is it possible that some mater is more difficult for them to manipulate than others? Iron being one of those?
I"m also of the opinion that Greys manipulate time and as such they can pick you up and spend hours on you yet drop you off only a second after they abducted you.
Could iron affect that ability to manipulate time?
Very intriguing and I thank you findingneo for bringing this to my attention.



Sounds like a superman, Kryptonite kind of make believe thing, but he is serious. Bruce does not say why iron, but having seen an old, short clip on youtube a few months ago with a military employee called "Cooper" that said captured greys could only be contained if they were surrounded in a faraday cage or they would literally disappear,
I had never heard that about the faraday cage either.


I would say the iron somehow disrupts whatever electro magnetic tech the greys use to "appear". Bruce also mentioned crosses. Lots of them. They apparently repel Greys. Thinking in modern terms, I wonder if they do hold a kind of Jesus divine vibration of energy that they just can't tolerate because they are not from the same place. Just guessing there. And a few other things as well. I doubt the crosses even need to be visible, just present. And some other stuff which I can't remember. It might have been garlic. They do say myth has some elements of truth, hence some familiar mythical solutions. Anyway, I am pretty sure Bruce could assist. He could probably also regress you as well if you wanted to find out, what's what.
I like the garlic thing, I could see why Greys could have been the acutal source for the myth of vampires.
I'm going to check this guys out. Thanks :)
The cross thing is weird. I almost bought a five ounce silver cross yesterday on e-bay.
It was a tad too much more expensive than a traditional five ounce bar so I didn't but man I really really wanted to. :)
Keep it coming findingneo, you have some really good stuff. :)

[Spiral]

Having read through this thread, plus my own experiences I don't think that "abductee" is a catch all title any more than the word "assault", which seems to cover anything from a grope to a full amphibious landing by the marines.

I don't think we are dealing with "extra terrestrials" either, those pushing that angle always seem to have an agenda & cherry pick their data.

In short IMHO we are dealing with a sliding scale of "interference" from another realm which is a part of THIS world, everything from "little people", to "cryptids" to "ETs" are all part of the same phenomena or realm.

Like the fauna of our realm there are different "beings" at different levels, and so abductions don't all follow the same pattern or are for the same reason, there is a spectrum of intelligence & intent behind these things.

There seems to be entities that home in on certain spots & follow certain individuals in a manner we might attribute to opportunist thieves or poachers, and then there are individuals that seem to be part of some kind of program, who are removed from their environment & put back with a little more "care" (as much as that sticks in my throat) & nothing & no one around them is touched, possibly as part of said program.

This other realm I speak of is why anyone effected by these things is also subject to such a degree of para normal activity, often drawn into occult subjects & why so many abductees find that turning to Jesus Christ does actually stop this unwanted activity, although no one really want to hear that last bit for some reason ?

Not for the easily triggered lol http://www.alienresistance.org/

[DNA]

Oh I've done my research.
I think the next thread title I have in mind is, don't believe anything an abductee says or writes because they are compromised individuals.
And that would be per Dr. David Jacobs.


Hi DNA, I appreciate this thread a lot, even the bit of joking involved. I don't want to call my self an "abductee" because I have never seen or imagined anything I could consider an alien, but something weird is still definitely going on. Point is, I do feel compromised in some way.

The thing about scratches really set off a lot of bells in my head. About 7 or 8 years ago I was involved with a man who I noticed scratch marks on his back, and I just thought it meant that he had sex with a girl who had long nails. I chose not to mention the scratches because I assumed he knew about them. I indirectly destroyed that man's life - I never meant to, but it happened. I heard rumors that he is happy now.... but I don't know for sure. In my mind, the more I leave him alone, the better off he will be.
Sorry about my quoted words there.
I was more or less responding to an attack on this thread and those words do not help anyone.
I may edit my post and erase that.
I certainly don't want you to feel it was directed at you and I wouldn't want anyone to think that as well.
Thank you for responding to the thread Petra.
I don't care how old a thread is I've started, I would like to think I will always answer questions to folks who seem to be seeking them and this is especially so on a thread I've started. Not that I may have the answers, but that I will attempt to dialogue with you in the hopes that something valuable is gleaned by both parties. :)
When you say "indirectly destroyed that man's life" do you mean it had to do with abductions? And if so what exactly happened that would make you come to this conclusion?
The scratches are indeed a troublesome reminder. I often wonder why they are left. Are these beings truly this careless? Or do they intentionally do this.
Regardless, it would seem that they could be more careful for it surely is not something folks wish to see.
Sorry about taking so long to reply. Life happens. :)
Take care

[DNA]

Hi again DNA. Sounds like you know your stuff too.

With so much experience between so many, I see huge potential for moving forward when it comes to working out likely answers to so many questions. That is what this forum is for. I hugely appreciate folk talking about these things. Between you, you could work out a great deal. I know it is very emotive, but I think that is part of the fire wall of working out what is going on. Individually, you both seem to have worked out a lot of stuff, but there are obviously things that are not agreed upon as real potential answers.

So why not put differences aside, and discuss possible reasons why your opinions are different and what that might mean. It does not really mean one is wrong and the other is right, it just might mean that if you talk about it, and discuss it, you can maybe see it from a perspective where the view is different from what you both see, and you find you are both correct. One thing I found when I talked to a being for hours, was that every time I thought I had it cornered with my questioning, trying to trip it up with it's story, it gave another perspective and more information, from which, what it was saying made sense. Not saying this being was a good dude at all, but it made me realize, we think too black and white. You guys, and I know it is emotive, if you can find a way to talk, you would be dynamite. And not in a bad way.

Anyone else who has something to contribute? I would love to hear it.

I have not ruled out I am an abductee. I don't think so, but maybe. I think loads of people are too, loads more than the usual estimates, and don't know it.

I appreciate your sentiments here regarding folks getting along and such. I agree and you are to be commended for attempting to bring peace and encourage conversation. I've never really read any of Truman Cash's threads nor his books, and for the most part Truman and I have conversed little to none.
I don't know him aside from him showing up on this thread and having an emotional outburst.
You can understand my situation when someone basically walks into your house and pisses on the living room floor.
But if we can get past that I would have no problem conversing with Truman.

But in regards to the bolded part of your text I would be very interested to know more about this interaction you speak of.
I've had interactions of my own, and I've learned that speaking about them is ussually more for myself than anyone else, as such I've learned to keep such things to myself, folks have a hard time with this stuff, and this includes people you have known and loved all your life.

I would love to hear about this interaction you have had.
But if this is something you wish to keep to yourself I understand that as well.
These things are delicate.
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Folk who have been abducted, often have screen memories, but like Dr Jacob's, Truman Cash is highly experienced in removing the layers of screen memories to get to what is underneath DNA.
Again I don't know anything about Truman's experiences.



Rachel, I started to write about what happened to me, and then I deleted it. I fought something off a few years back, when I woke into my astral. It was like when Neytiri tries to wake Jake in Avatar. His avatar is asleep, while he is conscious in the human world, and his avatar is in the path of a bulldozer. Neytiri tries to wake him.

Again, I'm certainly no expert or anything, but this sounds definitely sounds like the "Old Hag Syndrome".
I've had it myself a few times.
Fifteen years ago I was visiting my father when his neighbors house burned down across the street.
Huge fire, I don't know if you've ever seen a large two story Victorian house burn down in an old neighborhood but it is quite a spectacular sight.
Anyway I go to sleep while the house is burning down and I'm having the most horrible nightmare, I'm being chased by a ghost in the dream and he is a real d!ck.
Anyway I wake up and he is right there over me laughing about how I can't do anything about his presence.
Well the joke was on him.
I couldn't banish him, and I personally do not think you can banish ghosts.
Just my experience they have always told me to f#ck off whenever I've tried.
But, that being said, I do know a combination of Orange peel oil, wild oat extract, eucalyptus oil and shea butter make a topical lotion that for some reason repels ghosts and makes it difficult/not-worth-it to steal your energy.
Ghost-B-Gone..........
I'm not kidding by the way, I know this may sound hilarious, but it is totally true.
So at the expense of looking nuts I'll continue and feel free to have a laugh at my expense because it is indeed hilarious. :bigsmile:
So I tell the mean ghost from the burnt down Victorian House to F#ck off, and I open up a bottle of Ghost-B-Gone, apply liberally to body, extremities and face and the dick head ghost is in disbelief that he cannot steal my energy.
And on another positive note, my dad who is a sociopath and I'm not kidding when i say this told me the next morning how he had the worst dreams the night before.
I didn't feel guilty because my dad is an absolute turd of a human being, so "win win" on this one. :shielddeflect:
So in summation, rather than an ultra-dimensional or what not this is probably a ghost and for what it's worth I'm going to tell you that they are not the same thing and I would much rather deal with a ghost than an ultra-dimensional. :cat:


What happens in mine is that I am asleep. Empty blackness. Then I am awake (in the astral) and aware and I know my higher self is yelling at something on top of me. My higher self is saying, "In the name of Jesus, get off of her!" I immediately start screaming the same at this thing right in my face. It is right up at my face and screaming, "I WILL CONTROL YOU!" It screams it a few more times and with me yelling the "Jesus" thing, it quickly goes mute, and then I wake and sit up in fright, sweating profusely.
The old hag syndrom comes in different flavors.
I've had quite a few variations.
It's nice someone was sticking up for you. :angel:
Ghosts and or shadow creatures which in my opinion are ghosts but in a different situation use a manuever to maximize the energy they take from you.
When we dream we are really in the astral realm.
We leave our bodies and do our thing.
We activate certain organs of perception which again go dormant when we wake, making remembering what happened difficult.
Ghosts and or shadow creatures may find our body in the physical and or find our astral body in the astral plane, regardless they move to our body and maneuver to our chest where they manipulate the silver cord connecting our body to the astral body, they then cause a disturbance and our astral body is pulled back into our body, but the entity in question manipulates the astral body as it returns so that it doesn't and or can't fully immerse itself back in our body. This creates a paralysis and at the same time you are viewing the situation from your astral body, so you can see the being who is doing this to you, and they really like this part, so they attempt to scare the holy be-jesus out of you and in doing so they reap the reward of energetic waves rippling off of your being due to the fright.


I was not as scared as you would expect. My higher self had my back. And saying "In the name of Jesus" really worked. Please note I am not religious, but I do consider myself spiritual.

Lucky you. :star:


The next night, I went to sleep and again I woke into a dream. This time I walked into a community house where there were about 40 people. Each was between the ages of 20 and 35. I was joining all these volunteers to cook a vegetarian meal for the homeless. There were folk out in the garden, picking vegetables, and folk chopping and slicing them to cook. They looked at me as I came in and smiled. It felt very comfortable. One of them began to sing, "Lean On Me", and very quickly everyone joined in, even me. It was really a beautiful feeling. I knew at once, that every one of those people, was the essence of Jesus. I was being told by this dream, that there is bad, but there is also good.

I've always wished I could have faith in something like this but I think I'm incapable of faith. I'm not saying such beings are not real even if I do not believe the Bible per se, I do think Jesus is an avatar much like many of the other accomplished spiritual people of earth. I wish I knew of one I could call on and feel a little more original or something.
Nice dream though



I sound like I am religious, but I'm not. I wondered if this dream was put there by the bad guys too, but although they can fake it, they could not fake the love I felt come to me that night in my dream.

Your dream sounds legit to me. :)


So was that negative experience related to abductions?
I personally do not think it was.
I've had a little more than a hand shake with this realm. Just my point of view though.


I reckon it is Rachel. Inter-dimensional. I would try this. Spend some time in a quiet spot, on a regular basis, asking your higher self to protect you, and your son. Ask yourself to wake you into your astral if you or your son are attacked there, and ask your higher self to use "In the name of Jesus, get away from me and my son". Keep yelling it right back at them. You could also ask to be woken if either of you are attacked.

When folk are going to be regressed, by talking about what they want to find out, they are letting their higher selves know what they are wanting to find out. The higher self will either go directly to past lives that are the most relevant to the question, or it will redirect you to more important issues. Your higher self is recording everything your soul has ever experienced, but it generally does not communicate with you, in your everyday human life. Regression makes a connection between your waking self and your higher self that has limitless access to everything you have ever experienced. If you acknowledge it and communicate with it, just by talking out loud for instance as if you were talking to another person, it will listen. Try that. I would also state strongly, out loud that you do NOT give permission for anyone or anything to come into your body, aura, energy body, soul, higher self, etc, and your son, and that you, and he are sovereign, and that anything must get out and get away permanently and leave you both alone. Maybe you have tried these things.

I absolutely believe in our higher self.
I also think that for some Jesus seems to work.



BTW, I figure one of two things brought this attack about. It was either because someone I knew in the ufo field, came around for dinner to my home for the first time ever, along with my other ufo friends, (and I discovered later that he had an attachment, quite a nasty one), or, because I, shortly after, suspecting that he had, and then (having watched an online video) said out loud that I wished for the veil to be taken from my eyes so I could see the unseen. That was it. 2 nights later and I woke to that attack in the astral. One might say that I just saw what might have happened before, but I think the dinner party with uninvited friend caused the havoc. Things go haywire for 2-3 weeks when I meet him for a meal once a year when he passes by. We eat out. I make sure I go to the cleaners after. I must note, the other two ARE abductees, and there are no problems.
That song sung by the choir in my dream, all the way through.
Lean On Me


Good stuff. :clapping:
Thank you FindingNeo

[DNA]

A couple of weeks ago I had a nightmare. I can't remember the nightmare, only that it woke me up and when I woke up a scary sounding disembodied voice said my son's name quite loudly. It sounded menacing so I immediately went to my son who was sleeping and moved him to the same room as me so I could keep an eye on him.
I'm not psychic but I'm going to go stream of consciousness here, this may connect certain dots or offer more questions to ask, we shall see. I'm no authority and I certainly wouldn't assume my words are anything but an opinion from someone for all intents and purposes knows next to nothing about your situation.
Now that my disclaimer has been made let us move forward.
This sounds very ghost like.
I'm of the opinion that ghosts are the rule and the norm rather than the exception, and ghosts absolutely feed on human energy.
A ghosts favorite time to feed is while you lay in bed, and they can affect your dreams and enter them as well.
The "old Hag Syndrom" comes to mind, if you are not familiar with the phrase look it up.
There have been paintings depicting this situation done hundreds of years ago. It is something that most humans have experienced at one time or another.
If we can remove the scratches from the equation then a ghost or ghosts could very well fit the criteria here.
The scratches coming in fours and not threes could lend one to think that they probably/hopefully came from a human hand and maybe there is a logical explanation for them other than what is being discussed here.
Being in a hypnagogic transitional dream state is the most likely time you are going to be able to perceive and or hear something like this as well.

You mentioned that you and your son have had experiences with ED(Extra-Demensionals?) before and if so, do you care to share?
I hope all is well Rachel, and I hope all is well with your family and son as well. :)

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Outside experiences and dreams I'm not very psychic, but I'm empathic,
Me too.
I'm not very psychic at all.
It is my experience that the two are usually not possessed by the same person.
Psychic people are usually not very empathic from what I've seen.
My dad is a total sociopath.
He is literally the worst of the worst and he has shown flashes of being psychic.
This used to just boggle my mind but things are what they are.

Back to the empathic thing.
The phrase "where your attention goes so to does your energy" is very true.
Ghosts feed on human energy.
And empathic people, especially those who are so empathic as to be able to feel ghosts in vicinity are often haunted people in my opinion. This because the ghosts getting attention because you can sense them also get energy.
Also, from my experience empathic people are easier to steal energy from.
I'm shrugging my shoulders here attempting to minimize this statement but there it is.
Having such a finely tuned built in radar system comes with a price.



I think there are links too, in some cases anyway. My son would tell me all sorts of strange things when he was little, I was pretty much clueless at the time but after enough incidences and time I could piece enough together and I do think he has been abducted, although I prefer not to use that term due to the nature of those beings, which I don’t get into because I might end up in a pointless, emotionally charged argument with someone. Well at the same time he had an “imaginary friend” he called Mr Nobody (he told me he was imaginary because nobody else could see him), who turned out to be demonic in nature, later confirmed by my son himself. It’s possible his contact with ET type beings attracted the attention of Mr Nobody and others, I'm not certain but that's my best guess.

Thank you for the love, love to you too.

I have a five year old and she has had an imaginary friend since before she could talk. But then so did I from what my mom tells me.
My daughter has admited that her imaginary friend would try to get her to do all sorts of naughty things.
My wife has hated this imaginary person.
I don't know what to say about it.
I'm loath to put on meditative vision anymore.
When you peer into the darkness with your brights on the darkness peers back and I don't want anything following me home anymore now that I have children.
That being said though, I could never "see" the imaginary friend of my daughter and ghosts are so easy for me to see I don't really need third eye activation through meditation.
"Nature Spirits" are not easy to see. Not easy for me to see anyway.
I've interacted with nature beings in the past only through very intense and long lasting meditations.
Nature Spirits are not really benevolent or malevolent they are usually their own person like we are, and they can be mischievious.
I wouldn't call Nature Spirits extra-dimensionals. I just wouldn't.
They are too common and lack real world effects.
They can't punch you in the face or anything.
I think you and I could be looking at a Nature Spirit Being type scenario.
Just my two cents there.

[Innocent Warrior]

I'm not psychic but I'm going to go stream of consciousness here, this may connect certain dots or offer more questions to ask, we shall see. I'm no authority and I certainly wouldn't assume my words are anything but an opinion from someone for all intents and purposes knows next to nothing about your situation.
Now that my disclaimer has been made let us move forward.

I welcome people’s opinions and I’m no authority either, not even about what I experience. If I were to strictly report only what happens, without any additional observations, I’d be 100% confident I’m reporting only facts, but when it comes to understanding I’m learning as I go and beyond what’s made obvious from direct experience I can only offer opinions too. How some people seem to have it all figured out is beyond me, that would take a LOT of experience, perhaps being psychic helps them a lot. That's my disclaimer done too. :)


This sounds very ghost like.
I'm of the opinion that ghosts are the rule and the norm rather than the exception, and ghosts absolutely feed on human energy.
A ghosts favorite time to feed is while you lay in bed, and they can affect your dreams and enter them as well.
The "old Hag Syndrom" comes to mind, if you are not familiar with the phrase look it up.
There have been paintings depicting this situation done hundreds of years ago. It is something that most humans have experienced at one time or another.
If we can remove the scratches from the equation then a ghost or ghosts could very well fit the criteria here.
The scratches coming in fours and not threes could lend one to think that they probably/hopefully came from a human hand and maybe there is a logical explanation for them other than what is being discussed here.

I never considered ghosts because they’ve always seemed pretty harmless, that’s interesting, thanks. I’ll get back to ghosts further on (I have a question for you). I’d love to remove the scratches from the equation but I used the process of elimination and the most logical explanation is paranormal, the most compelling element being they were quite long and deep and it’s hard to imagine he was scratched like that without being aware of it when it happened, possible but not likely.


You mentioned that you and your son have had experiences with ED(Extra-Demensionals?) before and if so, do you care to share?
I hope all is well Rachel, and I hope all is well with your family and son as well.

All is well, thank you, we're really not bothered at all for the most part, a 3D only view is boring to me anyway and this is just like an extension of that, it contains all sorts of characters, just like 3D does. Back to the ED beings, yes, I pretty much refer to anything that’s not of the physical realm as ED because I don’t know exactly what or who they are a lot of the time (they’re also often not visible), so I lump them all into that category, and either malevolent or benevolent. I don’t refer to them as non-physical because they feel just as physical as anything else, so ED it is.

My son has always perceived them, I had an occasional paranormal experience before my son was born but never thought much about it but when he came along I started experiencing a lot more. As I mentioned, he’d tell me strange things, he’d also say things that he couldn’t have known when he was little, which would freak people out sometimes, which in turn would scare him, so initially I was mostly just learning what I could to understand him and protect him from people, he’d also get frustrated with me when he was telling me about things because I was evidently clueless. So it’s been a lot but to keep it brief I can describe the beings.

There’s the large, formless shadow beings, strangely enough they seem to be of this world. They’re visible, pitch black energy and I can hear them coming, they sound like a thunderous roar in my mind. They are very fast acting, their energy feels like pure evil and they can push, pull and alter your energy to attack physically. Very uncomfortable and intense, takes some time to recover, they could wear someone down very quickly. Then there’s the other shadow beings, humanoid shaped and slug shaped, I’ve seen them without incident.

Orbs. All harmless so far in my experience. There’s little fluttery, translucent, white ones that can enter you, seemingly to communicate. Larger, coloured ones, more translucent in the day and opaque looking at night. I’ve seen white, amber and have photos of a soccer ball sized, violet one around my son. The photos were taken during mid afternoon and early evening, PM me if you’d like to see them, DNA. Also a sparkler looking orb and I’ve also interacted with one that looks like a star (shot the amber orb out across the sky in response to me communicating with it).

Demonic, often invisible but sometimes visible. Shape-shifters, can appear as objects, humans (seen one that looked horribly burned), cats. Harmful, they attack psychically but mostly physically with me, like the formless shadow beings but attack body rather than energy. They attach and influence people (very scary situation when I spotted one in someone close to me once). They have attempted to sexually assault, physically harm, taunt, and corrupt (know mind intimately, set traps and try trip you up).

ETs, I once saw a Grey face to face, in my mind’s eye after I asked to see, so it wasn’t here physically, rather it showed itself to me, very vivid and very cool, I just stared at it. I couldn’t get a good look at it but woke up to a being beside my bed this past year that had the weirdest energy, really weird, alien feeling, seemed physical, was visible but it was dark and when I tried to get a good look at it it threw sparkly, bright, white light in my eyes, which made my physical body fall unconscious. My son had encounters he told me about when he was little (they gently made themselves known to me, also asked my son to pass on messages to me, pretty personal though). I saw a crescent shaped light ship once, really neat.

Ghosts, you know about them. I don’t know how many ghosts we’ve seen, neither my son or I can tell them apart from the living unless they do something like walk through a wall, or, in my son’s case, he can tell if he’s familiar with them. They can be a lot of fun. A ghost that appears as a medieval knight has visited my son a few times. One day in primary school they had a medieval themed day with displays of various medieval objects. My son was standing in front of a suit or armour, admiring it, when it suddenly moved and said, “boo!”, it was his knight friend playing a joke on him.

Then there’s other random beings, like gremlin looking things and the Grim Reaper (son saw him in the mirror), also the Hat Man but he’s just been in dreams. One of the methods I use to communicate with guides is a somewhat controversial method, so I don’t usually talk about that, definitely not publicly, but they're various types too.

That’s about all the types I can recall coming across.


I have a five year old and she has had an imaginary friend since before she could talk. But then so did I from what my mom tells me.
My daughter has admited that her imaginary friend would try to get her to do all sorts of naughty things.
My wife has hated this imaginary person.
I don't know what to say about it.
I'm loath to put on meditative vision anymore.
When you peer into the darkness with your brights on the darkness peers back and I don't want anything following me home anymore now that I have children.
That being said though, I could never "see" the imaginary friend of my daughter and ghosts are so easy for me to see I don't really need third eye activation through meditation.
"Nature Spirits" are not easy to see. Not easy for me to see anyway.
I've interacted with nature beings in the past only through very intense and long lasting meditations.
Nature Spirits are not really benevolent or malevolent they are usually their own person like we are, and they can be mischievious.
I wouldn't call Nature Spirits extra-dimensionals. I just wouldn't.
They are too common and lack real world effects.
They can't punch you in the face or anything.
I think you and I could be looking at a Nature Spirit Being type scenario.
Just my two cents there.

I don’t know much about nature spirit beings, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. I never saw Mr Nobody, my son could but never could see his real face. According to my son it was a demon.

My question to you is about how you can tell ghosts from the living? I've noticed they didn't make any sound as they walked when realising they were ghosts but that's all I can tell. Do you have any more tells? I've considered just going up to them and touching them but that may not end well if one turns out to be an incarnate human. :bigsmile:

[findingneo]

Hi DNA, I see your posts, I will be back later, have got some things to do, but in the meantime, I suggest you might like to read TrumanCash's free books, "The Programming Of A Planet", "Th Eye Of RA" and his thread, "The Matrix Revealed". He really does know his stuff, he just does not strut his stuff. He is a big gold nugget just under the surface that most folk don't know is there. I just happened to come across him because we have some things in common. He knew Phil Shneider, was abducted in Dulce for poking about for an entrance on the surface, has done countless regressions again and again on abductees to peel away all the screen memory layers. He has been regressed many times by one of his wives to peel away the layers of deceit. Loads more too. I think he would have left ego behind with his crayons to be honest. I don't see any sign of him feeling special. I think that is for those who buy the screen memories. I get the impression he has dug down so deep it would be more like he has gone through what returning war veterans have to deal with. Those 2 books and one thread can be accessed at the bottom of each of his posts, to be downloaded, for free. Very, very good.

When it comes to ED's DNA, it is how Rachel deciphers it, and Spiral. John DeSouza, ex FBI, who trained other FBI (Agents), investigated the major terrorist attacks in the U.S., investigated the cases that baffled other FBI investigators due to their apparent paranormal aspects,was the real like Mulder, and was demoted when the Ex Files released programs that gained the attention of the FBI. The FBI interviewed the writer of the Ex Files, asking where he obtained the material for his series. When the writer asked which particular episode, the FBI apparently backed off, as that would be giving the game away. Then, John was questioned as to whether he had given the writer any info, he said he hadn't, but he was demoted anyway, as if he had. Something like that. So then he retires to write paranormal books, passed by the FBI as not true as they are paranormal, and one book he writes is called "The Extra-Dimensionals". If you buy one book on the paranormal, I recommend this one. A few lines from his book clarifies what is mean't by Extra-Dimensional.

John DeSouza, page 152, The Extra-Dimensionals (Book),

"....Extra-Dimensionality not only helps us to comprehend our Alien visitors-it will also help reveal the truth of all paranormal phenomena. Extra-Dimensionals, ghosts,crypto-animals and more, according to Extra-Dimensionality, all come and go through the same portals......".

I will be back later. Thanks BTW, DNA.

[findingneo]

You mentioned here about the possible difference in how time seems to pass in our dimension to possibly other ones (yes, aware of the "There is no time, there is just now" thing. And that the 4th dimension is time). Anyway, you also mentioned in another thread (can't find it, and can't quite remember it) that you(?) had some sort of experience where you saw beings on a craft that seemed to move as if they were transporting from one place in the craft to the next (you explained it much better). It reminded me of a pet slug I had once, that lived in the drainage hole at the back of the bathroom wash basin, next to the toilet (It was snowing outside so could not evict it in the winter). Along with other slugs and snails, this one seemed to not be aware humans were about unless we got close to it. It seemed as if we move about so fast, they don't see us. It was only when I would put it's dinner in the soap dish area (lettuce) at the time it would come out from it's hole at 9pm every night, that it seemed to be aware of me. It would crunch away at it's lettuce and it appeared to observe me as it did so, as I chatted to it while I sat on the loo, the tiny black dots at the end of it's eye stalks seemingly turned towards me, intent on watching, listening contentedly as it ate it's meal.

So the first thing I wondered, was, were the beings you saw on the craft, transporting from one place to another in that room, or were they walking from one spot to the next, but seemed to be transporting, when perhaps they were just standing still at different panels, and could then be "seen"? I wonder, if these beings usually walk around at a fairly normal pace comparative to us when in our 3D, if they were therefore in a craft which was a different dimension on the inside as to the outside? Just a thought DNA. What do you think?

[Innocent Warrior]

DNA, ignore this part from my post -


I don’t know much about nature spirit beings, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. I never saw Mr Nobody, my son could but never could see his real face. The influence will escalate over time. [...] so keep a close eye on that, DNA.

I had misread your post and just noticed you wrote in past tense, nothing to be concerned about then (will edit my post).

Findingneo, I meant to ask you a question about the portals you mentioned before from the ED book. I've seen what I figured to be one open up and close only two metres away from me in my house. It was literally like a tear that ripped open. It all happened pretty fast, a couple of seconds, it began as really bright, white light about half way between the floor and the ceiling and then tore both up and down from there. It was about two metres high, not very wide, maybe 30 cm and what struck me was the intensity of the light (bright like a lightning strike) and the strangeness of seeing something that makes it look like the fabric of this dimension can be ripped open like wrapping paper, briefly revealing light from another dimension. My question is did he say what that white light is? Is the light from the other dimension and it shows through as they enter or is it light that's released from the portal itself?

[DNA]

I never considered ghosts because they’ve always seemed pretty harmless, that’s interesting, thanks. I’ll get back to ghosts further on (I have a question for you). I’d love to remove the scratches from the equation but I used the process of elimination and the most logical explanation is paranormal, the most compelling element being they were quite long and deep and it’s hard to imagine he was scratched like that without being aware of it when it happened, possible but not likely.
Halfway through my day last week I had three deep and one very short scratch on my forearm. They were deep, blood was visible and the wounds hadn't scabbed over yet. I noticed them just after I had gotten home from work and they weren't there when I showered that morning. These scratches were not paranormal/alien scratches, they were deep and I still have the marks on my arm right now but sometimes you can just scratch yourself and you literally have no explanation.

The scratches I mentioned on the first page of this thread that led me to think my sisters house wasn't such a good place for me to be staying were noticed as I prepared to take a shower just after awaking. They were deep and still glistening with blood, they were fresh and in a place there was no way I could have done it myself. And furthermore my sister and her husband both were receiving scratches like this on a regular basis.
I'm of a strong opinion that the types that leave scratches are reptilian and they abduct everyone within the confines of where their technology is being employed to incite an abduction. If you are driving to the grocery store why pick up just milk when you can get eggs, bread and butter at the same time?
In short it makes no sense that this is an isolated for your son, and that you are not experiencing this as well.
Everyone in the house would be getting abducted if this was a reptilian visitation in my opinion. Since this is not happening I think you can rest assured that you and your son are not getting this type of attention, and I'm of the opinion that this is what you should focus on and hope for. :)




All is well, thank you, we're really not bothered at all for the most part, a 3D only view is boring to me anyway and this is just like an extension of that, it contains all sorts of characters, just like 3D does. Back to the ED beings, yes, I pretty much refer to anything that’s not of the physical realm as ED because I don’t know exactly what or who they are a lot of the time (they’re also often not visible), so I lump them all into that category, and either malevolent or benevolent. I don’t refer to them as non-physical because they feel just as physical as anything else, so ED it is.
I'm not a one size fits all kind of guy. I believe each of these types of phenomenon is separate and should be identified specifically for what it is. I see you have broken up your experiences into various topics below and I appreciate this. :)


My son has always perceived them, I had an occasional paranormal experience before my son was born but never thought much about it but when he came along I started experiencing a lot more. As I mentioned, he’d tell me strange things, he’d also say things that he couldn’t have known when he was little, which would freak people out sometimes, which in turn would scare him, so initially I was mostly just learning what I could to understand him and protect him from people, he’d also get frustrated with me when he was telling me about things because I was evidently clueless. So it’s been a lot but to keep it brief I can describe the beings.
There’s the large, formless shadow beings, strangely enough they seem to be of this world.
I've had some experiences here. I have a thread called "my experience with a shadow being".
I agree many of these creatures seem to be of this world, but ultimately they answer to folks who are not of this world in my opinion.
The Horus-Ra thread is based on the idea that an ultimately alien controller has shadow being underlings cord humans on their base chalkra, their sex chalkra.
This "basis" is in the Dr. Malanga work, the rest of the thread often times gets away from this, but I'm sticking with this original premise and trying to work from that here.
I stick with this original premise because I've had experiences, personal experiences that have led me to believe this as well.
Shadow beings on the bottom of the pyramid (it is an energetic pyramid ponze scheme) are often times ghosts, human ghosts who have lost their way because of how long they have remained earth bound ghosts.
Shadow beings on the bottom of the pyramid cord human beings and are in turn corded themselves from parasitic shadow creatures that are above them in the structure.


(shadow beings) They’re visible, pitch black energy and I can hear them coming, they sound like a thunderous roar in my mind. They are very fast acting, their energy feels like pure evil and they can push, pull and alter your energy to attack physically. Very uncomfortable and intense, takes some time to recover, they could wear someone down very quickly. Then there’s the other shadow beings, humanoid shaped and slug shaped, I’ve seen them without incident.

Parasitic entities come in all shapes and sizes. My experience with a shadow being was that it was human and had been dead since the 1800's.
I've seen slime type parasites and walking stick insect like parasites but they were not shadow esque, they were just their own thing.
I only say this to stipulate that shadow creatures are always the absence of light, they are darker than dark they are literally the opposite of light.
I found an obscure reference one time, and I'm of the opinion it lent some insight into this situation.
There is a UFO contact book published by Wendelle Stevens that I aquirred rather serendipitously, it is called UFO CONTACT FROM IARGA, the story chronicals one Stefan Denaerde's personal interactions with beings from the planet IARGA. I personally believe in this man's account and that he met these folks.
These beings from Iarga explain to Stefan how they dare not sin against God by lying or stealing or any other petty wrong, because to do so makes you vulnerable to the attacks of evil non-living beings. These beings are of total darkness because they live in black holes and are of the same energy as black holes. They go on to say that what we consider to be Satan is a being who lives in black holes out in the Galaxy. And for the record these beings also believed in Christ and would not utter one world against the belief in Christ.


Orbs. All harmless so far in my experience. There’s little fluttery, translucent, white ones that can enter you, seemingly to communicate. Larger, coloured ones, more translucent in the day and opaque looking at night. I’ve seen white, amber and have photos of a soccer ball sized, violet one around my son. The photos were taken during mid afternoon and early evening, PM me if you’d like to see them, DNA. Also a sparkler looking orb and I’ve also interacted with one that looks like a star (shot the amber orb out across the sky in response to me communicating with it).
I've never had experience with anything I would consider an Orb. Sure thing about seeing them, I would love to. :)
When trying to photograph ghosts, I would often get orbs, but I've never seen what I would consider an Orb with my naked eyes.


Demonic, often invisible but sometimes visible. Shape-shifters, can appear as objects, humans (seen one that looked horribly burned), cats. Harmful, they attack psychically but mostly physically with me, like the formless shadow beings but attack body rather than energy. They attach and influence people (very scary situation when I spotted one in someone close to me once). They have attempted to sexually assault, physically harm, taunt, and corrupt (know mind intimately, set traps and try trip you up).
I've never seen anything like this, I have no data here to correlate for you.


ETs, I once saw a Grey face to face, in my mind’s eye after I asked to see, so it wasn’t here physically, rather it showed itself to me, very vivid and very cool, I just stared at it. I couldn’t get a good look at it but woke up to a being beside my bed this past year that had the weirdest energy, really weird, alien feeling, seemed physical, was visible but it was dark and when I tried to get a good look at it it threw sparkly, bright, white light in my eyes, which made my physical body fall unconscious.
I sometimes wonder if Lou Baldin's take on the UFO situation isn't correct.
Lou states that we have all been under the care of Grey type aliens based on the moon, these having intimate relations with all of us since our infancy.
Lou's opinions and writings seriously influenced John Lear who agrees 100% with Lou.
I've had a few Grey type interactions, one from when I was 17 and one when I was 20.
I knew nothing of Greys at these times.
When I was seventeen I had a grey type abduction scenario on a camping trip. At the age of 20 I awoke not fully in my body and there was a translusent ghost like Grey in my room standing at the door way looking at me.
I signaled to the Grey that I could see him but I had very little motor function, the grey shook his head in affirmation and understanding and looked to casually leave the room, only to return and poke his head around the door frame looking in the through the door again at me. I again freaked out pointing with my out stretched hand and creaking out that I could "see him".
I remember my thinking at the time when this was going on. While telling him I could see him, what I was really saying was "you are not supposed to let me see you" and that "we have an agreement" and he knowingly nodded his head as if understanding this "deal" or "contract" that we had, he even seemed to put up his hands and show me his palms as if to say "it's okay, it's okay, don't worry I know the terms and I'm leaving".
Honestly in retrospect he seemed to want to look in on me and make sure my astral spirit aligned like it was supposed to with my body.
But those are my only two Grey interactions I can recall.
My having a few and the one you describe to make me wonder if Lou isn't correct in what he is saying.


My son had encounters he told me about when he was little (they gently made themselves known to me, also asked my son to pass on messages to me, pretty personal though). I saw a crescent shaped light ship once, really neat.
That would be pretty cool. The ship, I have to be honest I don't know what I would do if my daughter game me messages from UFO's. :nono: I have no idea how that would affect me.


Ghosts, you know about them. I don’t know how many ghosts we’ve seen, neither my son or I can tell them apart from the living unless they do something like walk through a wall,
We are not seeing the same thing, and if we are, we are not using the same organ of perception.
I'm talking about discarnate earthbound souls. These things can range from reddish globs of energy moving around to the head and upper torsos of people, facial features are never entirely discernable, the one thing that is always constant is that I see a red dot in the middle of the ghost's head. Since the head is translucent I can see the red dot even though it is in the middle of where their brain would be, pretty much where the pineal gland is.
I've never seen a discarnate entity I could mistake for a living person.
Is it possible you are seeing ghosts that have already passed on to the other side, and from the place they are using a type of telepathy to produce said image in you? Or are they making a special trip back just for you?



or, in my son’s case, he can tell if he’s familiar with them. They can be a lot of fun. A ghost that appears as a medieval knight has visited my son a few times. One day in primary school they had a medieval themed day with displays of various medieval objects. My son was standing in front of a suit or armour, admiring it, when it suddenly moved and said, “boo!”, it was his knight friend playing a joke on him.
Ghosts don't play.
They just don't. Ghosts are hungry energetic entities.
And they can't hold a physical form that is indistinguishable from the living. If they could we would all be screwed.
Is it possible you are using the term loosely and this is some kind of angelic being or beings?



Then there’s other random beings, like gremlin looking things and the Grim Reaper (son saw him in the mirror), also the Hat Man but he’s just been in dreams.
Gremlin looking things could fit into "nature spirit" type beings, I've never seen a Grim Reaper. I've never seen a hat man either.
A buddy of mine saw a hat man ghost when we were teens, as an adult it fascinated me that this was a thing.


One of the methods I use to communicate with guides is a somewhat controversial method, so I don’t usually talk about that, definitely not publicly, but they're various types too.
I would love to hear it, privately if not publicly. I've discussed my techniques for this, especially on the "how to see a ghost" thread.


That’s about all the types I can recall coming across.
Our personal experiences have over lapping areas and of course we have areas that are quite separate and seemingly not in contact with one another.
Very cool to hear your experiences and be allowed the chance to try and correlate personal experience with the. :)
Thank you




I don’t know much about nature spirit beings, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one. I never saw Mr Nobody, my son could but never could see his real face. According to my son it was a demon.
My daughter's imaginary friend started on a strange day.
My wife and daughter were in our apartment when we still lived in Phoenix. My wife heard a car skid and then hit something rather loudly, she went outside to investigate and it was our next door neighbor, he had just been hit and killed by a speeding pick up truck.
My daughter had just turned three at the time, she told my wife that a man had come into the house with blood on his face and that he was going to be all right. My wife was convinced that my daughter had seen the deceased neighbors ghost.
I might also mention that it was from this day on that my daughter had her imaginary friend.
I will still add to this that I've never noticed a ghost type presence in the house associated with our daughter's friend.


My question to you is about how you can tell ghosts from the living? I've noticed they didn't make any sound as they walked when realising they were ghosts but that's all I can tell. Do you have any more tells? I've considered just going up to them and touching them but that may not end well if one turns out to be an incarnate human. :bigsmile:
I think I have covered this in the thread.
I will state, I have had some pretty good confirmation what I'm viewing are ghosts.
I've helped them cross over to the other side.
I've also had a message sent to me that included a picture quality image of the deceased face, only to see that face in the obituaries the next day.
Thanks again.
Take care. :)

[findingneo]

Hi Rachel, I have only just seen your message to me. I don't recall seeing him talk about what actually happens when there is a tear, as in, no details were given, I don't think. If it is ok with you, I can just ask him and he will answer if you like. It is a really good question.

When I was doing sky watches, 4 times the whole sky lit up like lightening I suppose you could say. There was not a cloud in the sky every time. Once, I was with my cousin, a very, very non believer in anything woo woo, when it happened. I just happened to be looking at her and she at me at the moment the sky lit up, so we got a 360 view of the sky light up from the ground up for a fraction of a second. When it happened where I lived, I thought it something to do with a nearby stadium, or something, but then it happened in a remote region 1000 kms from where I usually did it with my cuz, and it was 360 degrees around the horizon, and she had lived there for 40 years and had never seen it. I wondered if it was a portal opening perhaps. There is no intensity of light in one area, it was just all over like a light bulb went on and off for a split second, but the main intensity was at the horizon right around. If you blinked you would have missed it. Only happened during a CE5. Always was alone doing it except that once when it happened with cuz. I stopped doing it because I don't really know what is going on. Only person who said it happened to them was James G. He thought it was a craft coming through I think he said, to say hello. Perhaps, but I don't know. John would just tell me to be careful re that. Seeing as we don't know enough about them. Even though there was no associated paranormal activity as relates to often negative stuff.

Anyway, want me to ask him? (No wonder you have so much activity around you and your son). BTW, does it only happen where you currently live, or has it been wherever you go to live? Easily fixed if it relates to just the house? I talked to someone at a Christmas dinner who bought a property in the bush, did not know of the dark stuff that had happened in the past, built a house with convict bricks and all hell broke loose. The bricks were haunted, and basically when it was brought over an already active site, things went haywire. It pumped up the volume. He sold all his (dense BTW DNA) belongings that were heritage, and haunted, and his convict brick home, and bought a house made of steel and everything new. In that case, it was the place that was haunted. Things seemed to be able to manifest over that site that would usually go undetected. Moving away did the trick.

[Innocent Warrior]

I'm of a strong opinion that the types that leave scratches are reptilian and they abduct everyone within the confines of where their technology is being employed to incite an abduction. If you are driving to the grocery store why pick up just milk when you can get eggs, bread and butter at the same time?
In short it makes no sense that this is an isolated for your son, and that you are not experiencing this as well.
Everyone in the house would be getting abducted if this was a reptilian visitation in my opinion.

Interesting...and good news. Well there's likely more than one way you can end up with scratches but it's an isolated incident so no biggie anyway.


I'm not a one size fits all kind of guy. I believe each of these types of phenomenon is separate and should be identified specifically for what it is.

Well I'm just not that good, it'll do me. :)


I've never had experience with anything I would consider an Orb. Sure thing about seeing them, I would love to.
When trying to photograph ghosts, I would often get orbs, but I've never seen what I would consider an Orb with my naked eyes.

I didn't see the violet one with the naked eye, didn't notice it until it was later on and it showed up much brighter. The white and amber ones were perfectly round (violet one more like a plasma ball compared to those, not perfectly round and different texture). If the ones you've photographed are smaller, translucent looking ones, then those ones you can see with your naked eye if you want to try it, they just move really quickly and aren't as opaque so they're not as easy to notice with the naked eye.


I've never seen anything like this, I have no data here to correlate for you.

Excellent!


When I was seventeen I had a grey type abduction scenario on a camping trip. At the age of 20 I awoke not fully in my body and there was a translusent ghost like Grey in my room standing at the door way looking at me.
I signaled to the Grey that I could see him but I had very little motor function, the grey shook his head in affirmation and understanding and looked to casually leave the room, only to return and poke his head around the door frame looking in the through the door again at me. I again freaked out pointing with my out stretched hand and creaking out that I could "see him".
I remember my thinking at the time when this was going on. While telling him I could see him, what I was really saying was "you are not supposed to let me see you" and that "we have an agreement" and he knowingly nodded his head as if understanding this "deal" or "contract" that we had, he even seemed to put up his hands and show me his palms as if to say "it's okay, it's okay, don't worry I know the terms and I'm leaving".
Honestly in retrospect he seemed to want to look in on me and make sure my astral spirit aligned like it was supposed to with my body.
But those are my only two Grey interactions I can recall.
My having a few and the one you describe to make me wonder if Lou isn't correct in what he is saying.

Wow, how interesting!

When I asked to see the one I saw I had asked to see one that's us from a future timeline (hopefully not the one we're on). No idea if that has anything to do with what you're referring to, there's supposed to be different types.


That would be pretty cool. The ship, I have to be honest I don't know what I would do if my daughter game me messages from UFO's. I have no idea how that would affect me.

I didn't understand the messages until much later, otherwise it would probably have freaked me out at the time.


We are not seeing the same thing, and if we are, we are not using the same organ of perception.
I'm talking about discarnate earthbound souls. These things can range from reddish globs of energy moving around to the head and upper torsos of people, facial features are never entirely discernable, the one thing that is always constant is that I see a red dot in the middle of the ghost's head. Since the head is translucent I can see the red dot even though it is in the middle of where their brain would be, pretty much where the pineal gland is.
I've never seen a discarnate entity I could mistake for a living person.
Is it possible you are seeing ghosts that have already passed on to the other side, and from the place they are using a type of telepathy to produce said image in you? Or are they making a special trip back just for you?

OK, that's way different to what I've seen. Yeah, a couple were visiting me, so I knew they were 'ghosts' at the time but others seemed to be just passing through, but they all look like normal living people to me.


Ghosts don't play.
They just don't. Ghosts are hungry energetic entities.
And they can't hold a physical form that is indistinguishable from the living. If they could we would all be screwed.
Is it possible you are using the term loosely and this is some kind of angelic being or beings?

OK. Well yeah, two of them I know for certain were discarnate humans, the others I'd assumed were the same. Others could well be other beings, no idea what they are then though, maybe from a parallel reality or something, had some strange experiences of that nature.


Our personal experiences have over lapping areas and of course we have areas that are quite separate and seemingly not in contact with one another.
Very cool to hear your experiences and be allowed the chance to try and correlate personal experience with the.
Thank you :)

Same, thank you. :)


I think I have covered this in the thread.
I will state, I have had some pretty good confirmation what I'm viewing are ghosts.
I've helped them cross over to the other side.
I've also had a message sent to me that included a picture quality image of the deceased face, only to see that face in the obituaries the next day.

I don't doubt the above at all, you say they're ghosts, that's good enough for me. :)

:handshake:

[Innocent Warrior]

Hi Rachel, I have only just seen your message to me. I don't recall seeing him talk about what actually happens when there is a tear, as in, no details were given, I don't think. If it is ok with you, I can just ask him and he will answer if you like. It is a really good question.

When I was doing sky watches, 4 times the whole sky lit up like lightening I suppose you could say. There was not a cloud in the sky every time. Once, I was with my cousin, a very, very non believer in anything woo woo, when it happened. I just happened to be looking at her and she at me at the moment the sky lit up, so we got a 360 view of the sky light up from the ground up for a fraction of a second. When it happened where I lived, I thought it something to do with a nearby stadium, or something, but then it happened in a remote region 1000 kms from where I usually did it with my cuz, and it was 360 degrees around the horizon, and she had lived there for 40 years and had never seen it. I wondered if it was a portal opening perhaps. There is no intensity of light in one area, it was just all over like a light bulb went on and off for a split second, but the main intensity was at the horizon right around. If you blinked you would have missed it. Only happened during a CE5. Always was alone doing it except that once when it happened with cuz. I stopped doing it because I don't really know what is going on. Only person who said it happened to them was James G. He thought it was a craft coming through I think he said, to say hello. Perhaps, but I don't know. John would just tell me to be careful re that. Seeing as we don't know enough about them. Even though there was no associated paranormal activity as relates to often negative stuff.

Anyway, want me to ask him? (No wonder you have so much activity around you and your son). BTW, does it only happen where you currently live, or has it been wherever you go to live? Easily fixed if it relates to just the house? I talked to someone at a Christmas dinner who bought a property in the bush, did not know of the dark stuff that had happened in the past, built a house with convict bricks and all hell broke loose. The bricks were haunted, and basically when it was brought over an already active site, things went haywire. It pumped up the volume. He sold all his (dense BTW DNA) belongings that were heritage, and haunted, and his convict brick home, and bought a house made of steel and everything new. In that case, it was the place that was haunted. Things seemed to be able to manifest over that site that would usually go undetected. Moving away did the trick.

Yes, that would be fantastic, thank you! Well since you're asking, I'll add a couple of small details I didn't include. It was completely silent and the widest part was in the middle and it tapered off as it extended to each end. I've also seen the bright flashes in the sky, also silent. One other time there was a really loud bang (sounded like a bomb went off) followed by a flash of light in the sky too, saw on YT in one of those "strange sounds in the sky" videos that others have heard that too, it didn't mention the light but they heard it in the day and could have missed the flash, I had heard it in the middle of the night.

No, it doesn't matter where we live, it's been around consistently since my son was born. He has a lot more fun and helpful experiences though and he's never told me about getting attacked the same way I do (another reason I initially asked about the scratches). The attacks with me are more recent, mostly in the past four years but, as I've mentioned, that seems to correlate somewhat with whatever I'm working on/exploring. So I think it's us but for different reasons and he may have activated me more because the same thing happened since I met my bf, ED stuff increased since then too.

[Mike]

When i was 11 or 12 i had this very real seeming dream that I was in our family station wagon, on a vacation, sunny day, driving along on a highway lined with trees...with the sun flickering thru them as we sped past it all.

Then it got eerily quiet. I noticed all my family members were erect postured and stoic, staring straight forward. Blank, inscrutable faces. Then, one by one, starting with my Dad and Mom, they all began to disappear. I watched this helplessly, horrified. And when it got to me, I woke up.

Just another dream, right?

Maybe few years later, my younger sister *related the exact same dream to me* , right down to the tiny details. Cue the creepy music. I never told anyone about that dream. It scared the sh!t outta me. So there's no way she was repeating my experience back to me. She had the same damn dream. What are the chances?

I believe it was an abduction experience.

Hey is this post relevant here? I notice the thread title, but I've only read the last page or so, and I don't see anything about dates and just a little about abductions. LOL. This thread is super intriguing, and I think I'd pay to watch Marcus and Rachel dialogue here for a few more pages

[petra]

Sorry about my quoted words there.
I was more or less responding to an attack on this thread and those words do not help anyone.
I may edit my post and erase that.
I certainly don't want you to feel it was directed at you and I wouldn't want anyone to think that as well.


That's OK, really. I just ignored the little bit about not believing people. I get where you're coming from. In my own head, "the more truth you tell, the more people think you're lying", and that's my cynicism talking :)



I don't care how old a thread is I've started, I would like to think I will always answer questions to folks who seem to be seeking them and this is especially so on a thread I've started. Not that I may have the answers, but that I will attempt to dialogue with you in the hopes that something valuable is gleaned by both parties. :)


Well some times we might be reading a new thread that links to an old one, that's how I ended up there. There's probably answers all over this forum which I just have not found yet.



When you say "indirectly destroyed that man's life" do you mean it had to do with abductions? And if so what exactly happened that would make you come to this conclusion?


I think it's abduction related due to the creepy vibe throughout the whole ordeal, I only saw that in hindsight though. I was the "other woman" so to speak, and he was "cheating" on her with ME. Looking back, I really don't know what I could have been thinking. Won't be making that mistake again. The best way to describe is that I felt "compelled". It was like... I wanted to.... but I just was not sure why.

In hindsight I noticed a lot more. He seemed really afraid a lot, like someone was following him. The day I saw the scratches, he called me to come over. When I got to his house, the police were already on the way. Apparently he had stabbed someone a little while earlier, but he didn't recall doing it. She had called the police, and I waited with him until the police showed up. He was intoxicated. That's when they took him to jail. It was all very confusing and I felt kind of like I was living inside a bad movie.

Following that there was another period I visited him in jail, and we spoke on the phone as much as he was allowed. I didn't have a car at the time so I walked miles and miles back and forth from that jail, and somehow never seemed to get tired.



The scratches are indeed a troublesome reminder. I often wonder why they are left. Are these beings truly this careless? Or do they intentionally do this.
Regardless, it would seem that they could be more careful for it surely is not something folks wish to see.
Sorry about taking so long to reply. Life happens. :)
Take care

In my case it seemed manipulative, like I was "supposed to think" the marks came from sex. Maybe they did - heck I don't know - I didn't ask. I think along the same line as you - if those things are SO advanced and good at keeping secrets, then why are people finding scars and bruising. It does not make sense.

I can only check the forum every few days so no apology necessary, that's part of the beauty of having an online forum :)

[findingneo]

Hi Petra, I am back here because I went on a wee wander while Rachel and DNA were having an in depth discussion. I should perhaps have been sending a message to someone for Rachel, but I like to write when I feel in the right headspace, so I went to check the forum for new posts. Your post in the last 24 hours or so brought my attention to the Tom Montalk thread, and I had a browse. I do think Tom's and Barbara's information is very relevant to lots of things regarding the ET presence, but I suppose because they don't surface much in threads, I forget about them. So I listened to one (just past way through and had to share, before I forgot where it was) the Tom Montalk video brought to my attention from your comment on there. By chance, at 22.32 the subject of earths "elements" are spoken about by the host of the show, as to their, for the larger part, unknown importance. Then at 24.00, Tom starts to talk about them and mentions why "Iron" is important. That is a wee answer for you DNA. Tom mentions "magnetism", and I mentioned "electro magnetic". When I looked up the difference, to my very rudimentary mind when it comes to science, I likened the difference between the two, as one having an electric supply (no wires necessarily needed) and the other, the magnet, is more like a battery. Anyway, I have learned that if I have times when I want to diverge to other areas, the answer just presents itself. So here is the video I am talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-plWU2lcTA

Petra, when I think about how the planetary manipulation of the past, translates to now, I think that maybe you are giving an example. First of all, I have talked to Truman Cash about the relevance of scratches on one of the threads. He says it is Grey ET's. Can happen when you are fighting back I think it was. They apparently have claws. I saw this trailer a week or so ago, brings this to mind although I don't know that storyline, just the claws brings that to mind. At 1.44 to 1.45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HTByz4RlqI

I don't intend to scare. Goodness knows how many it goes on with. If things start getting yuck around me, I go to someone who is adept, or appears to be adept, in spirit release. Might be a few Clingons. Not the star trek type, although they by chance have some similar characteristics.

The mention of orbs in other posts, are apparently, what might be considered ET's, or, they are ghosts.

[DNA]

That's OK, really. I just ignored the little bit about not believing people. I get where you're coming from. In my own head, "the more truth you tell, the more people think you're lying", and that's my cynicism talking :)

When it comes to abductions there is a bottom line and that is we dare not trust the memory of the experience. This is contrary to everything we've been taught about how our world works, but there you go.
I had a series of intense interactions that lasted for about a year and a half. I'm loath to tell the tale because I can't 100% tell you what happened is as I would recall it. The beings I interacted with purposefully would not commit in terms of explaining exactly who they were and if they were benign or malign. They chastized me constantly in the beginning for thinking they were angelic and they threatened to terminate ALL interactions unless I approached the situation as an autonomous being fully scrutinizing the situation. I wanted desperately for them to remove all suspicions and tell me they were "good" guys, but they refused to do this and further more they stated that I needed to be vigilant and on guard, I always needed to trust my instincts and look at them as no better or more knowing than myself.
So there you go when it comes to trusting testimony from abductees or those claiming interactions.
Another reason this whole thing is difficult to present in terms of everyday story telling is this.
Non-human types or rather folks not from earth but intelligent are not tethered and tied with energetic organs being unused and or cut off.
In order to interrelate with these folks you almost always have to activate states of consciousness and understanding that are dormant in our day to day life.
This seems so Universal that I do think Earth has a consciousness roof being applied to intelligent life.
I don't know about the Earth being a prison planet, but we do seem to be under guard in so far as our consciousness is concerned.
It's kind of like that age old addage, "if I have to explain it to you, you will never know what I'm talking about".
My interactions never would have happened without my having applied the Castaneda teachings to my life and having been immersed in them when the oppurtunity for interaction presented itself.



I think it's abduction related due to the creepy vibe throughout the whole ordeal, I only saw that in hindsight though. I was the "other woman" so to speak, and he was "cheating" on her with ME. Looking back, I really don't know what I could have been thinking. Won't be making that mistake again. The best way to describe is that I felt "compelled". It was like... I wanted to.... but I just was not sure why.
In hindsight I noticed a lot more. He seemed really afraid a lot, like someone was following him. The day I saw the scratches, he called me to come over. When I got to his house, the police were already on the way. Apparently he had stabbed someone a little while earlier, but he didn't recall doing it. She had called the police, and I waited with him until the police showed up. He was intoxicated. That's when they took him to jail. It was all very confusing and I felt kind of like I was living inside a bad movie.
Wow!!!!
Did he stab a random person? Was his wife also cheating and he didn't think what was good for the goose was good for the gander?
Trials of the heart can do some very crazy things to people.
The emotions run higher than they do for anything else really.
Those emotions are high octane energy.

Following that there was another period I visited him in jail, and we spoke on the phone as much as he was allowed. I didn't have a car at the time so I walked miles and miles back and forth from that jail, and somehow never seemed to get tired.
How tough was the judge on him?
The stabbed person lived right?



In my case it seemed manipulative, like I was "supposed to think" the marks came from sex. Maybe they did - heck I don't know - I didn't ask. I think along the same line as you - if those things are SO advanced and good at keeping secrets, then why are people finding scars and bruising. It does not make sense.
I can only check the forum every few days so no apology necessary, that's part of the beauty of having an online forum :)
Indeed. I love the idea we can have these conversations and add to them when our lives allow us. :)
I've got to tell you, much of what you speak of sounds very much like what Eve Lorgen talks about in connection to the idea that it seems sometimes folks who are abducted are compelled to seek out and engage in relationships with folks that are also being abducted. I don't fully understand it but it seems the aliens get an energetic charge from the coupling or something. You should check out this writing by her.
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_lovebite01.htm
And here is her website. The Dark Side of Cupid, The Alien Love Bite http://evelorgen.com/wp/

[findingneo]

Radio host, James Bartley, also released a new interview with Eve Lorgen, yesterday.

[findingneo]

Ok, I have sent questions Rachel. Will be back when I have received an answer.

[petra]

When it comes to abductions there is a bottom line and that is we dare not trust the memory of the experience. This is contrary to everything we've been taught about how our world works, but there you go.

Yes exactly, it all feels so manipulative too. Trying to reason things out just gets exhausting. I'm pretty certain those things are smarter than I am. Wouldn't be hard, really :)



I had a series of intense interactions that lasted for about a year and a half. I'm loath to tell the tale because I can't 100% tell you what happened is as I would recall it. The beings I interacted with purposefully would not commit in terms of explaining exactly who they were and if they were benign or malign. They chastized me constantly in the beginning for thinking they were angelic and they threatened to terminate ALL interactions unless I approached the situation as an autonomous being fully scrutinizing the situation. I wanted desperately for them to remove all suspicions and tell me they were "good" guys, but they refused to do this and further more they stated that I needed to be vigilant and on guard, I always needed to trust my instincts and look at them as no better or more knowing than myself.
So there you go when it comes to trusting testimony from abductees or those claiming interactions.


The first part I can't relate with but the second I can. I think I'd trust people more than aliens or beings from another dimension when it really boils right down to it, but really my feelings are a big part of it too. No matter what I think logically, I don't think I'd be able to "go against my feelings". For example if something feels drastically wrong for no apparent reason (this has happened before) I am probably not going to do that thing.



Another reason this whole thing is difficult to present in terms of everyday story telling is this.
Non-human types or rather folks not from earth but intelligent are not tethered and tied with energetic organs being unused and or cut off.
In order to interrelate with these folks you almost always have to activate states of consciousness and understanding that are dormant in our day to day life.
This seems so Universal that I do think Earth has a consciousness roof being applied to intelligent life.


I read this over and over and it's difficult to grasp. I can only think in terms of myself, and how my perception changed. You use words like "activate" and "cut off". That's what it felt like, also a bit like "unlocking" so to speak. The best way I can describe is going to sound kind of sci fi, I get what you're saying about story telling too.

It feels like I came from another version of earth. On the version of earth I came from, there's no such thing as alien abductions. At some point in time after reading part way through montalk.net I got inexplicably teleported to a different earth. It looks just like the first one, with only a few differences in my memory which only I was aware of. This new earth has some really bad crap in it, but also some nice stuff too. One of the best things about this place is that people are paying attention!!!

Looking back on it now I think I was just blind to some things mentally speaking. It's ironic too because it's the exact thing I was getting mad about.... blindness. "Why is everyone so BLIND? GRRR!" kind of thing.



It's kind of like that age old addage, "if I have to explain it to you, you will never know what I'm talking about".


That little statement is kind of maddening LOL! I kind of get it though - sometimes there just aren't words to describe. It's coming back to what people call "common sense" I think, because what is common sense really. I think common sense is kind of like "knowing something without understanding why".

As for "prison planet", sometimes I think of it more like "quarantine planet" or "garbage island"... but it does honestly feel like a bit of a prison sometimes. Certainly more so than a school.



Did he stab a random person? Was his wife also cheating and he didn't think what was good for the goose was good for the gander?
Trials of the heart can do some very crazy things to people.
The emotions run higher than they do for anything else really.
Those emotions are high octane energy.


He stabbed his girlfriend. I thought they were married at first but it turned out they weren't, and for what ever reason I got involved. He may or may not have stabbed her, and I have 0 intuition one way or the other. She says he did it. I'm suspicious of both of them!!



How tough was the judge on him?
The stabbed person lived right?


No judge. He was already on probation for something related to being drunk. I guess where I live... when you're on probation here and get accused of something... you Go Directly to Jail. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_not_pass_Go._Do_not_collect_$200.)

She was OK. I hate to say this but I even wonder if she could have done it to her self. People can get so crazy sometimes like you just said! I'm certainly guilty of going a bit crazy a few times - didn't stab anything but I crashed my boyfriends car into a snow bank. Some people saw me do it and came over to check if I was OK! I said "I'm fine, I'm just really really mad" LOL



I've got to tell you, much of what you speak of sounds very much like what Eve Lorgen talks about in connection to the idea that it seems sometimes folks who are abducted are compelled to seek out and engage in relationships with folks that are also being abducted. I don't fully understand it but it seems the aliens get an energetic charge from the coupling or something. You should check out this writing by her.

I came across this already when reading Tom Montalk's book titled Fringe Knowledge for Beginners. What a mind trip! It says BEGINNER! I think it should say BEWARE lol... but I'm cool with it really because it helped me :) I've thought of writing Eve Lorgen practically right away but I'm concerned I won't be able to convey myself properly, or worst case get misunderstood or end up offending someone. I see parallels, but I also see huge differences with my situation so I just think it's best to do my research first. Life happens though too, and often times it feels "synchronistic". I noticed Eve posted an article "The New Predator" which I tried to read for about a week but kept getting distracted by this or that. I had some high expectations for that article but it didn't shed any more light on my situation... that's just "The Same Predator" to me, nothing new there.

[petra]

Hi findingneo, I'm having a bit of a case of tunnel vision here sorry, just noticing your post now! I've got the quote notifications on just subscribing to particular threads is something I need to work on, there's just such an abundance of info around! Talk about blindness...geez.

Now I'm embarrassed for having missed it somehow! I was really caught up in replying to DNA's posting.


By chance, at 22.32 the subject of earths "elements" are spoken about by the host of the show, as to their, for the larger part, unknown importance. Then at 24.00, Tom starts to talk about them and mentions why "Iron" is important. That is a wee answer for you DNA. Tom mentions "magnetism", and I mentioned "electro magnetic". When I looked up the difference, to my very rudimentary mind when it comes to science, I likened the difference between the two, as one having an electric supply (no wires necessarily needed) and the other, the magnet, is more like a battery. Anyway, I have learned that if I have times when I want to diverge to other areas, the answer just presents itself. So here is the video I am talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-plWU2lcTA


I'm low on iron, I know I am. That was the only thing the doctor told me at my last checkup.... quite awhile ago. I stopped taking the capsules because they're huge, if I can start taking them again I'll pay close attention to the results.

Tom's advised me to eat more nutritiously too. A lot of weird things do seem to happen when I am hungry or tired, he really hit the nail on the head. I can't quite seem to it but I'm slowly getting there, for some reason eating is terribly offputting! I've thought of trying to trick myself into wanting to eat, but really that's kind of ridiculous. Brainwash myself into eating food... hard not to roll my eyes :)

I don't feel in any danger right now so I am taking things slow. Videos are difficult but doable, I think TV is offputting me a bit too - the only time I ever look at it is when I'm with someone else who is watching TV. I learned about vitamin B6 to help remember dreams from Tom, I ran right out and bought those as soon as he mentioned it. But now I've stopped taking those too.



Petra, when I think about how the planetary manipulation of the past, translates to now, I think that maybe you are giving an example. First of all, I have talked to Truman Cash about the relevance of scratches on one of the threads. He says it is Grey ET's. Can happen when you are fighting back I think it was. They apparently have claws. I saw this trailer a week or so ago, brings this to mind although I don't know that storyline, just the claws brings that to mind. At 1.44 to 1.45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HTByz4RlqI

I don't intend to scare. Goodness knows how many it goes on with. If things start getting yuck around me, I go to someone who is adept, or appears to be adept, in spirit release. Might be a few Clingons. Not the star trek type, although they by chance have some similar characteristics.

The mention of orbs in other posts, are apparently, what might be considered ET's, or, they are ghosts.

I have a vague memory of actually being a little gray alien surrounded by a whole bunch more of them... but I feel like it's most likely a sack of baloney. As for the grey aliens in general, since I am so new to it all I kind of feel sorry for them. From what I read so far it sounds like they really got the crappy end of the stick.

I think I've already been scared as much as possible... I don't scare so easy any more! Although I still am terrified of spiders!

"Getting yuck" made me laugh, yes really the thought of having things IN me is pretty gross. There was a time a while back, my thoughts got stuck in a loop, I remember it vividly. It was like "Gross!" "I Know!" "Gross!" "I Know" ad nauseum. Irony? Maybe. Innuendo? Maybe that too!

Attachments is something else entirely I think. I do have a problem (phobia?) with "bugs" though and so I suppose that could be why "astral bugs" is offputting too. I tried to read a bit about it and my thoughts yelled "Don't read that!" so that put me off too. Not that I feel as if I have to do what I'm told... I just don't want to read about disgusting things. The thought of being full of invisible bugs is pretty disgusting, so maybe I'd rather not know if I am "full of bugs".

[findingneo]

Hi Petra, no probs about the delay in a response, it is easy to lose track, and it happens with everyone I expect. I think we have a couple of wires crossed so I will come back to detangle later. I did not realize you were a newb, so I will explain better then. Very interesting what Tom said. I will keep a mental note on his suggestions. Have a great day.

Rachel, John said entities coming through whether you saw them or not in those tears. Also ( I asked a few more questions), I asked about how to stop abductions. He said the tried and tested methods that I mentioned, using the name of "Jesus" in your defence ("In the name of Jesus, get away from me" worked well in an astral attack for me by something else, just keep yelling it and any variation you come up with), and iron under the bed. I had asked about these two and he agreed they were the ones to use. I have now asked, why your son attracted the paranormal activity. I am guessing it is because he is psychic in that he can see and detect ghosts. They are attracted to that, but I will check. I will ask how to evict them. Hope that helps. P.S., the bigger the iron, the better from what I gather.

[Innocent Warrior]

Rachel, John said entities coming through whether you saw them or not in those tears. Also ( I asked a few more questions), I asked about how to stop abductions. He said the tried and tested methods that I mentioned, using the name of "Jesus" in your defence ("In the name of Jesus, get away from me" worked well in an astral attack for me by something else, just keep yelling it and any variation you come up with), and iron under the bed. I had asked about these two and he agreed they were the ones to use. I have now asked, why your son attracted the paranormal activity. I am guessing it is because he is psychic in that he can see and detect ghosts. They are attracted to that, but I will check. I will ask how to evict them. Hope that helps. P.S., the bigger the iron, the better from what I gather.

I didn't see any entities come through it but I had figured they had anyway, confirmation is good. :thumbsup: Did he say anything about what the white light is? That's the bit that got my heart really racing as it happened, it looked so powerful it seemed as if it could rip me apart if it had happened in the same spot I was in. I'm not at all concerned that will happen but it'll definitely keep me from walking through it myself if it happens again (I can be a bit of a maverick at times), I'm just curious about what that is due to the sheer power of it. No need to ask if you already did and he didn't mention it though.

Yes, that's all helpful to know, TYVM.

[findingneo]

Nope Rachel, he did not comment on that bit. I would not like you to test out what happens if you walk in front of it, lol, will say what might be good to prevent it anyway a bit later.

Thank you Linda Moulton Howe for a timely example of the sky lighting up with no obvious focal point, as the second part, the road webcam shows. Except the ones I have seen during a Ce5 were much quicker. No flickering like the security cam in the first part, just a flash, seemingly brighter from the ground up. So is that kind of what you saw Rachel, outside? I could only play it twice as the video seemed to stick after that and I couldn't play it. Seems to be a good example, but much slower than what I saw. Here tis LMH's vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHMSqTSzWuQ&feature=push-u&attr_tag=N168Gg3F7RVqVKau-6

[Innocent Warrior]

Nope Rachel, he did not comment on that bit. I would not like you to test out what happens if you walk in front of it, lol, will say what might be good to prevent it anyway a bit later.

Thank you Linda Moulton Howe for a timely example of the sky lighting up with no obvious focal point, as the second part, the road webcam shows. Except the ones I have seen during a Ce5 were much quicker. No flickering like the security cam in the first part, just a flash, seemingly brighter from the ground up. So is that kind of what you saw Rachel, outside? I could only play it twice as the video seemed to stick after that and I couldn't play it. Seems to be a good example, but much slower than what I saw. Here tis LMH's vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHMSqTSzWuQ&feature=push-u&attr_tag=N168Gg3F7RVqVKau-6

LOL, I swear I won't walk into one.

Yep, that looks like what I saw (outside), but more brief, like you wrote. BTW, it's good to check and make sure there's no storms in the distance (out of sight) because you can get a similar effect from that but it's more localised in the sky, doesn't light everything up bright like the ones we're discussing.

[findingneo]

Hi Rachel, the skies were clear, the air was calm, and there were no micro climate unsettled weather nearby. I saw that other video too with the flash that went unnoticed on that video, but I presumed it was related to the noises.

John said that basically all the things I asked about could be used. Big piece of iron under the bed, crosses about the place (and on the person), and to get rid of the activity, ask your higher self to stop the tear happening and to keep them away from you and your son. Also, ask J for some help. The bad guys can ask for help, but so can we, from the good side. I think that by being psychic your son has by his own talents, attracted them. Ask your and your sons higher self, and J, to remove Mr nobody from around you, and the other entities. You don't need to say it out loud to your son, just when you are on your own or in your head. Although I think out loud is better. If I were you, I would try to find someone who does spirit release. Everyone tends to have them, and they need cleared. More so if you have a gate for the nasties in your house. If you are blase about them being there, that is a cosmic "yes" to agreeing for them to stay. Make it clear you want them gone. You need to raise the vibration in the house too I expect. I did not mention to John the following, but intention is everything and I personally, would try as well, writing "love" and such things, multiple times in pretty colors (to make it not weird), on a piece of paper and put it in a cheap frame and frame it right where it happens. Or just stick it on the wall (mind the paint). Stuff like that. Pretty flowers. I would put a rug there or something and put a piece of paper under it with the words "Jesus" and "Love" and in that spot if it does not look too silly. I heard someone talk in a shop, who tests frequencies in some sort of lab, that rose oil has the highest vibration of any plant, so some of that in there too if it takes your fancy, but it is expensive. No actual need to spend money, just make do with the basics. I would love to see how you get on.

[DNA]

I remember meeting becca/wife the first time through letters and then face to face... also knew I loved her the second we meant..she to felt it also..
This statement of yours always struck me as rhetorical and as such not needing or asking for a response. I've always meant to regardless and it has helped remind me of your post seeing you thank folks for their posts, this has let me know that you have stuck around. :)
First let me state that I notice you have slapped over fifty thousand thanks on various posts. Wow. That is incredibly impressive, time consuming and kind. It helps for folks to know somebody is hearing their written voice regardless if you agree or not. So for that let me say thank you.
We are the same age, so I remember how wonderful written letters are.
I dated a girl for a month or so back when I was 21, I was quite smitten by her, as it turned out she was taking care of her mother and was returning to her home in Florida, we continued writing each other for a couple of years. I can attest to the power of the written letter. There is truly something magical about it.
It's not only a communciation it is like a talisman of validation in terms of how two people view each other.


...sat her down and told her everything at the time about my life where it had lead me and why..all of it... good and bad..every dirty demon
Very interesting. So 20 years ago how and what did you know about your situation?
A 25 year old guy dealing with this situation is a story in and of itself, but trying to communicate that situation would be almost unthinkable.
How has this situation affected your wife? How has this situation affected your kids?


and now..flash forward 20 years..3 children..good kids..good souls...and a life time created from love..i was given a second chance...
You are a blessed man. So many folks would love to be so fortunate. :)


despite the abductions or whatever you call them..whaterver IT is you lable it...despite what I was and did..Thank the creator there was someone that loved me..loves me for who iam...and children!!!I have a family!!!..I will always bee gratefull for all that has happenend in my life good and bad if it leads me again to the point I find myself..
ah why would you believe me anyways i am just an x junky convict abductee..right:bigsmile:
I'm not sure if you are being facetious with the x-junky and x-convict thing but I would never judge someone for that.
I grew up in the midwest, just outside of St.louis. In areas where there is little economic growth as we saw in the eighties and early nineties it's easy for folks to go that route. My best friend in the world ended up going to prison when he was 21 and he is still in prison. I've had several friends end up in prison from where I grew up. I don't know why but it seems like this happens more to folks born in economically depressed areas. Same with the drug thing as well.
Since you brought it up I'm going to ask a tasteless and completely inappropriate question. Please understand that I mean no disrespect and please ignore if you find this in the least offensive. :blushing:
I'm curious as to the abduction scenario if one is serving time behind bars. If you were in fact at one time experiencing this situation while behind bars I'm curious as to know if the abduction scenario continued while serving? I only ask because I'm trying to correlate the information findingneo shared about iron stopping or slowing the abduction scenario. Sorry :silent:
Please ignore and or forgive my question if you find it offensive in the least. :moony:

[petra]

When you peer into the darkness with your brights on the darkness peers back and I don't want anything following me home anymore now that I have children.

Oh Sweet Jesus..... Excuse Me!

What a thought. I remember what it felt like to be peered at by evil...

I'll catch up on this over the weekend because looks like a lot is going on, guaranteed something's going to stand out to me.

I guess I'm going to have to consider myself an abductee as well, even though it feels weird to say those words. There's definitely a pattern, and I'm seeing things more clearly now. The most recent relationship I had, THAT man developed epilepsy! He had a seizure in his sleep, broke a bone in his back, and was hospitalized. He's mostly recovered from that now, but he still needs to take epilepsy pills to keep the seizures from happening.

I was suspicious when it happened (a few years ago), especially because this happened in his sleep, but lucky for me I kept my mouth shut to him regarding my suspicions. So I still have my friend. I've been in denial. He's positively certain there's nothing weird going on, and he had me kind of convinced too.

It feels like I have a weird horrible super power of making bad things happen to people, but this can't be as bad as it seems......

So OK, I'm not dating anymore. But what about having friends.....

[william r sanford72]

DNA...No offense taken and always found your insight helpful...if not interesting.Will answer best I can tho I'm gonna mash answers up into a lump...as is I'm doing chores and writing in between coffee breaks..its cold outside and the woodstove is eating wood non stop.

I spent a better part of my childhood and teenage years trying to cope with high empathic and what some call strong psyi abilities and high strangeness also with what we call ghost and spirits and demons and aliens etc.

At the time I met becca I was just coming off/cleaning up and going straight from years of cocaine and heroin addiction/abuse.Wasnt joking about the prison and countless treatment facilties I went through.This did curb my abilities and seemed to atleast make the interactions with the ghost/aliens/demon/angels/interdim beings and so forth almost nil and made it to where I could function..

I was running away..inside and out...it didn't work..im not sure becca at the time fully grasped or believed me.My abilities came back slowly due to the damage I did to myself..on all levels.. they didn't manifest all at once so this helped to bring my reality into beccas in a less shocking way.The abilities didn't fully awaken again until about 7 years ago after the first ufo encounter and interaction that wasn't partly blocked or screened..so outright proof for my wife and few others really started then..my wife dealt with all sorts of things prior tho most had to do with my interaction with animals plants and insects..it wasn't until 3 years ago that she seen her first ufo up close in the day time in a field right off the road near our home..Her reaction was Shock and Fear...this also changed how i approached the subject with her and even the kids..with everyone..as far as the children go I prefer not to bring them into a public or private discussion until they are older and then they can decide if and when they ever want to go public.

nothing strange or abnormal seemed to happen while locked away..it felt like down time..a time to heal to bee honest.

if I forgotten anything please point it out and will reply to the best of my abilities.
Your right DNA..i am.a very blessed man.

William.

[findingneo]

Not sure if I recall all of your story Petra, but I got the impression your ex had a dubious lifestyle. If folk are on hard drugs, lots of alcohol, do bad things, they make it easy for spirits and entities to attach themselves. It is not uncommon for folk to have a sudden urge to do something bad in such circumstances as they might be influenced by the non physical things they have attracted to them. I doubt it has much to do with you. Hanging around folk with alcohol and or drug abuse though will lower your frequency and more stuff is likely to happen. Best to steer clear of low frequency situations. If you are being abducted I think they may try and lower your frequency to make it easier, as that is where they are I think. Try raising your frequency by doing more wholesome stuff and staying away from folk that are not so good. Make sure you put it out there on a regular basis that you are Sovereign and you don not give permission to be abducted or interacted with. Just not saying anything seems to be a "Yes, you have permission". It is rather like law it seems to me, where ignorance is no excuse. Not terribly fair in this kind of scenario, but why would they want you to know you had a choice? Anyway, I am guessing you are fine with your friends in general. Just choose nice friends so they don't bring you down. Be aware of love bites too, I have read some folk feel they have an attraction to each other that would not normally be the sort of folk they would go for. Apparently, it can be a match made by the ET's that are abducting.

[DNA]

Oh Sweet Jesus..... Excuse Me!
What a thought. I remember what it felt like to be peered at by evil...
Well,, I for one would like to hear about that. That is if you are willing to tell it.


I'll catch up on this over the weekend because looks like a lot is going on, guaranteed something's going to stand out to me.
I hear you there.
Good times huh. :clapping:
I absolutely love participation from folks who are willing to share their story, their truth.


I guess I'm going to have to consider myself an abductee as well, even though it feels weird to say those words.
Is this more of a feeling or do you have memories that make this so?
I mean both are valid. Folks who have an intuition that they are getting abducted are probably more so than not correct on this hunch.


There's definitely a pattern, and I'm seeing things more clearly now. What is the patten?


The most recent relationship I had, THAT man developed epilepsy! He had a seizure in his sleep, broke a bone in his back, and was hospitalized.
Holy crap!!
That is crazy...
You mean to tell me that he had never experienced a seizure before this incident and that out of no-where he developed epilepsy? I didn't even know you could have adult on-set epilepsy.


He's mostly recovered from that now, but he still needs to take epilepsy pills to keep the seizures from happening.
I'm glad he has recovered.
Man, that has to be a trip for this guy developing epilepsy as an adult and all.
Does he have a family history of epilepsy?
From what I understand this is something very common to be passed on from parents or grandparents.


I was suspicious when it happened (a few years ago), especially because this happened in his sleep, but lucky for me I kept my mouth shut to him regarding my suspicions.
I would be suspicious as well. Where there any obvious reasons for you to be suspicious, especially on this specific night?



So I still have my friend. I've been in denial.
Nothing wrong with denial, it is sometimes the only thing that can keep us sane. :)
I've had more than an occasional dip in-da nile river myself from time to time. :)


He's positively certain there's nothing weird going on, and he had me kind of convinced too.
It feels like I have a weird horrible super power of making bad things happen to people, but this can't be as bad as it seems......
I certainly didn't start this thread for folks to think they are responsible for all bad things that happen to folks in their lives.
Life is life, and we have to take the good with the bad.
Petra you are absolutely not to blame for these things.
Please understand that.
The title of this thread "don't date an abductee" was more of an exercise I wanted to invoke on people in terms of accepting that the abduction scenario is a "reality" and to go from there.
I wanted to get past the question part of the abductions scenario regarding "is this happening" and move into the "what do we do now that we know it is real" scenario.
I'm sure if you stop and think about it there have been plenty of good relationships in your life, and people who have benefited from your being there for them. :thumb:


So OK, I'm not dating anymore. But what about having friends.....

Let us both be as frank as we can here.
Even if you are experiencing an abduction scenario the danger comes when folks sleep in your home from what I understand, and we are in speculation mode here, so let us not state anything concrete.
Look at my situation as stated at the beginning of this thread. I experienced tell tale signs of something happening, but that ended when I no longer stayed with my sister and her then husband. Even my sister who had signs of abduction, she no longer has those signs now that she no longer sleeps in her ex-husbands house, and she still has contact with him.
Night time appears to be the danger zone for these things.
You need friends Petra, we all do. You need folks in your life to care about and who care about you.
Do not ostracize yourself from friends and family over things that are only conjecture and speculation.:flower:
I'm of the opinion we have to use two different modes of thought when operating in these waters. On one hand we engage the situation and seek clarity and truth. But at the same time on another hand we refuse memory of any of this stuff and stay as detached from it as possible.
If we do not have the detachment then this stuff can drive us nuts.
If there are times I feel macabre and or hyper-affected while engaging this stuff then I switch gears, I stay away from this stuff for a while, and I basically refuse to think and or contemplate about this stuff.
I adopt the mind set of our oblivious comrades and I let myself immerse in the conviction that our society and it's opinions are what is real.
And when so doing there are no better companions to have then those who wish to have nothing to do with this information.
We all know those folks.
Some of us express exasperation when talking about them, but there are times when this mindset is best, and in those times these folks can be a blessing to have around.
Take care Petra. :)

[Innocent Warrior]

@findingneo Here are a couple of articles; first one is about the loud booms (64 locations around the world, including Australia) and the second is an article on a bright flash of light in Russia recently. Both phenomenons are officially unexplained.

Bet you 50 bucks that the rate of these events occurring increase exponentially in the coming years and disclosure will accelerate in order to control the narrative. I'm aware of the possibility it's man-made, I don't think so though, hence the bet.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/mysterious-loud-booms-heard-across-the-world-in-64-locations-and-nasa-doesnt-even-know-why/news-story/eb4d5b2a8117d05b00d15ffb51500c4c

http://earthsky.org/earth/bright-flash-russia-jan-7-2018

[DNA]

@findingneo Here are a couple of articles; first one is about the loud booms (64 locations around the world, including Australia) and the second is an article on a bright flash of light in Russia recently. Both phenomenoms are officially unexplained.

Bet you 50 bucks that the rate of these events occurring increase exponentially in the coming years and disclosure will accelerate in order to control the narrative. I'm aware of the possibility it's man made, I don't think so though, hence the bet.
I've been reading the back and forth from you two.
This in regard to the sky lighting up at night and from what I"m getting you guys are stating you think it could be portal technology as operated by space/dimensional traveling folk.
My input may be related and or it may not be.
I started a thread a little over a year ago about a huge blast that took place only some 20-30 miles from my house, when I awoke I thought California was having "the big one" because I could feel the ground shaking and earthquakes do not occur where I live. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91138-Meteor-over-Arizona-Thusday-2-June-2016-at-3-57-am
There is footage of the meteor falling and it is freaking bright.
I talked to a girl who saw the meteor hit and was within just a couple of miles of where it landed, she said the entire sky lit up.
I'm of the opinion that there are factions fighting out there, and many of these "meteors" are craft being destroyed that come hurtling towards earth.
In the thread this same girl had experiences with folks stating they were one thing when they were obviously performing a clandestine mission gathering up pieces of whatever hit the ground there.
Again, just thought I would add that. :)

[Hazelfern]

I adopt the mind set of our oblivious comrades and I let myself immerse in the conviction that our society and it's opinions are what is real. And when so doing there are no better companions to have then those who wish to have nothing to do with this information.
We all know those folks. Some of us express exasperation when talking about them, but there are times when this mindset is best, and in those times these folks can be a blessing to have around.

Can't do it captain, I have tried over and over.
Weighing in where I do not belong, however, the grounded ppl are no better off in escaping the inevitable.

[DNA]

I adopt the mind set of our oblivious comrades and I let myself immerse in the conviction that our society and it's opinions are what is real. And when so doing there are no better companions to have then those who wish to have nothing to do with this information.
We all know those folks. Some of us express exasperation when talking about them, but there are times when this mindset is best, and in those times these folks can be a blessing to have around.

Can't do it captain, I have tried over and over.
Weighing in where I do not belong, however, the grounded ppl are no better off in escaping the inevitable.
My prescription is for those who have reached a certain depth in their pursuits.
For those who may have not reached said depth, this suggestion might seem silly.
I'm basically preaching "detachment" as suggested by Castaneda and well emphasized by some folks I've dialogued with.
When entering into hyper strangeness in full participation mode one needs to employ detachment however one can.
My suggestion was what I've done when the strangeness was overwhelming and I needed to ignore it so it would hopefully ignore me.
I'm not sure if you have felt the spot light of extra-dimensionals, UFO type situations or even ghosts, but there is a pretty wide gulf separating those who speculate/ponder upon such things and those who are experiencing this subject up close and personal for prolonged periods of time.

[Hazelfern]

I adopt the mind set of our oblivious comrades and I let myself immerse in the conviction that our society and it's opinions are what is real. And when so doing there are no better companions to have then those who wish to have nothing to do with this information.
We all know those folks. Some of us express exasperation when talking about them, but there are times when this mindset is best, and in those times these folks can be a blessing to have around.

Can't do it captain, I have tried over and over.
Weighing in where I do not belong, however, the grounded ppl are no better off in escaping the inevitable.

My prescription is for those who have reached a certain depth in their pursuits.
For those who may have not reached said depth, this suggestion might seem silly.
I'm basically preaching "detachment" as suggested by Castaneda and well emphasized by some folks I've dialogued with.
When entering into hyper strangeness in full participation mode one needs to employ detachment however one can.
My suggestion was what I've done when the strangeness was overwhelming and I needed to ignore it so it would hopefully ignore me.
I'm not sure if you have felt the spot light of extra-dimensionals, UFO type situations or even ghosts, but there is a pretty wide gulf separating those who speculate/ponder upon such things and those who are experiencing this subject up close and personal for prolonged periods of time.

Prefer to not enter hyper strangeness (ever) just getting by in this world qualifies as strange enough.

[DNA]

I spent a better part of my childhood and teenage years trying to cope with high empathic and what some call strong psyi abilities and high strangeness also with what we call ghost and spirits and demons and aliens etc.
I'm not psychic, like not at all. I'm pretty freaking empathic though.
When young I would sometimes charade my empathy as something psychic. I could read folks to the extent that their past becomes kind of obvious to me.
It's not a psychic thing, it's reading body language, facial expressions, voice modulation and subtle agreements and disagreements people will flash on their face.
I have an honest curiosity in terms of hyper empathy.
I'm of the opinion that hyper empathy is often employed by children who are in abusive situations. They must learn to read the adults in their environment as a form of self preservation. I'm of the opinion this may be developed at the cost of other development some times.
All in all I've often called hyper-empathy a curse more than anything. I remember being able to know what folks were thinking based on the expresions on their faces.
I remember being able to read the thoughts of teachers this way. Not pleasant really. I've always worn glasses and as a kid and teenager I remember how free it was to walk around without my glasses on so I couldn't see what people were thinking.
So when you say "cope with high empathic" I think I know what you are talking about.
You mention "strong psi abilities" in the same sentence with "high empathic". Could you explain the difference these things are so I can get a better understanding of what you mean here? Can you contrast "high empathic" with "strong psi abilities"?
By psi do you mean telapathic? Because I can attest there does seem like there is something there.
I've got some experience with ghosts and spirits, we may be able to swap a few interesting stories there if you are so inclined.
What experiences have you had with ghosts and spirits?
Do you think being an empath had something to do with this?
How do you differentiate ghosts/spirits and demons?
You mentions demons so I have to ask what experiences you have had here. Was it singular or where there many?
You also mention aliens here.
What experiences did you have that led you to believe you were having alien type experiences?
Do you have a feeling or a memory as to which kind of alien you were interacting with?



At the time I met becca I was just coming off/cleaning up and going straight from years of cocaine and heroin addiction/abuse.Wasnt joking about the prison and countless treatment facilties I went through.This did curb my abilities and seemed to atleast make the interactions with the ghost/aliens/demon/angels/interdim beings and so forth almost nil and made it to where I could function..
Do you think it was the substances that curbed the interactions or the treatmenat?
Do you think any of the facilities themselves had anything to do with curbing the interactions?
By facilities themselves I mean the composition of the structures themselves, were these structures high in iron like concrete and ribarb and or iron bars?
Do you think there may have been a geographic association with these ghost/alien/demon/angel/intedimensional being interactions?
By Geographic I mean a living space or the like. Do you think you were living in an area that was hyper active with this kind of activity and when you left it that in and of itself may have had something to do with your activity subsiding?
Are you familiar with skinwalker ranch? Could you have been living in an area such as this?
I know a girl from work up here where I live now, she pointed out what she called "a haunted house" and told me of the happenings there.
It would encompass everything you have mentioned up until now.
Through talking with many other people and visiting the place myself I now know this is a portal zone my friend is speaking of.
She doesn't know that and only refers to the place as "haunted" which is fair enough. She has even spoke of being "possessed" there.
Her stories were terrifying.
This place is prone to a certain paranormal activity I've never heard of happening anywhere else.
Cars flip in this area. It happens so much there is a local legend about the place with a very foreboding name.


I was running away..inside and out...it didn't work..im not sure becca at the time fully grasped or believed me.My abilities came back slowly due to the damage I did to myself..on all levels.. they didn't manifest all at once so this helped to bring my reality into beccas in a less shocking way.The abilities didn't fully awaken again until about 7 years ago after the first ufo encounter and interaction that wasn't partly blocked or screened
I would love to hear about this in more detail if you would be willing to tell it.


..so outright proof for my wife and few others really started then..my wife dealt with all sorts of things prior tho most had to do with my interaction with animals plants and insects
Could you elaborate here?

..it wasn't until 3 years ago that she seen her first ufo up close in the day time in a field right off the road near our home..Her reaction was Shock and Fear...
It's all fun and games while everything is subjective, but when you are confronted with the unknown, when what you have been told absolutely does not exist is staring you in the face it is then when Pink Floyd's Wall comes thundering down leaving you exposed, naked like an electrical wire stripped and sparking off energy because a connection is no longer there and when folks tell me their reactions is anything other than shock/terror I usually have a hard time believing them.
You say this occurred near your home?
I again have to ask if you think there is a link between where you are and what is happening.


this also changed how i approached the subject with her and even the kids..with everyone..as far as the children go I prefer not to bring them into a public or private discussion until they are older and then they can decide if and when they ever want to go public.
I understand and as far as ananimity goes maybe you could change your name and avatar.
You could go by Mr. Sanford and have a picture of Redd Fox as your avatar. :spit:


nothing strange or abnormal seemed to happen while locked away..it felt like down time..a time to heal to bee honest.
Do you think being away from your former environment had anything to do with this?
I again ask could it be the structural composition of the building you were in?
Is there anything that stands out in your mind as to why this was a time of lowered activity for you?


if I forgotten anything please point it out and will reply to the best of my abilities.
Your right DNA..i am.a very blessed man.

William.
You indeed are William :happythumbsup:

[Hazelfern]

Can we talk about paranormal experiences? It's been a few years, about 3 or 4...but

[findingneo]

Thanks Rachel and DNA, I was thinking of those flashes when I went onto PA, as a Linda Moulton Howe mini vid popped up with one.

DNA, I think somehow, a portal can perhaps occur, due to doing a CE5 with some people. I don't know why. I don't know what circumstances were around the outdoor flash that Rachel saw, but I am guessing the indoor one was certainly made because of the occupant(s).

I also have seen a light flash that lit up all the roofs and tree tops in a gorgeous turquoise blue/green. I got up for the loo one night and the fog was quite thick. I opened the frosted window to look out, just as the flash occurred. It penetrated the thick fog to light everything up. I was near the top of the mountain and there was nothing above the house. Don't know what it was, but I think something weird is going on with the earth. I don't think it is man made or "being" made.

Those lights that occur around earthquakes are apparently, most probably, ions that escape through cracks and fissures in the rock that occur from the earth movement, and turn to plasma light when it hits the atmosphere. I am expecting it will be something like that, that the booms have something to do with something below the ground, movement of some sort, and it is more ions escaping to the atmosphere. Quite often there is no apparent seismic activity which rules out movement, but I am wondering if it is the earths crust slipping about over the mantle. I looked up a few days ago where most of the booms occur and it is on the east coast of the U.S. On the West coast is where there is quite a bit of seismic activity, and Yellowstone has been getting more activity as well. Come to think of it, Yellowstone has been lighting up like day on the night cams for a good while now, even when the source of the light is not clear. The activity seemed to be near the Appalachan Mountains I noticed, which were squeezed and pushed up a hell of a long time ago. I read somewhere that there was a theory that the night sky is changing, not so much because the poles are moving (and they are moving rapidly now, migrating by something like 40 miles a year), but perhaps because the surface thin crust is moving. And I wondered if that is why it is making odd noises. Also, other planets are changing a lot lately. Storms where there should be none, changes in the usual things observed. Possibly something perturbing them as it passes by? Or is it to do with the sun. I don't know, but I don't think anyone really knows. Certainly, the ring of fire is at it's most active, as are volcanoes. Lots going on.

[findingneo]

I had a really good ufo sighting tonight after collecting my daughter from her friends place. We were driving through the middle of the city a bright red light was was making itself clear it was not a helicopter, even though it was silent and that was obvious. It got to almost over my car as we sat at the lights, and my daughter yelled at me to watch the road. I said I was watching the ufo and I pointed at it and said that it was right there as I pointed out the windshield. Know what she said when I said that? She said, I don't care about a damned ufo, I'm starving and I want some hot chips! So the lights changed, we drove below it, lost sight of it and went and got chips. Face palm.

[findingneo]

Ok, creepy. Just went outside to car to fetch something and a 4wd is sitting across the road with a man looking out through his tinted window at me. There is nothing on that side of the road. Eew.

[findingneo]

I literally started phoning the police and it drove away.

Anyway. Feeling ok. I think perhaps I saw the lights in that setting so as to not find it intimidating.

[william r sanford72]

DNA..will have to come back and answer your questions later..becca and ravyn are rolling in to iowa and gotta pick em up from train station..as I thought I had a few hours to burn..iam enjoying thee insight and convo from all you guys and gals..and for making me think....

William.

[DNA]

Can we talk about paranormal experiences? It's been a few years, about 3 or 4...but
Fire away Hazelfern. We are all ears. :waving:

[william r sanford72]

Rereading my last post..cringe...wanted to say that I'm not claiming xmen type powers or anything near that.Writing out these things for me isn't easy and I try to narrow down to the brass tacks..so tend to leave out details thoughts and other things..my bad..

ok..the alien ufo stuff didn't come up until 7 years ago..what I learned as all the ufo stuff began was that the paranormal stuff went hand in hand with the alien exp..
I did see ufo crafts strange lights etc off and on growing up...tho no recall of aliens..my first vivid memory of a spirit/ghost was an indian that revealed it self when I was around 5.seen him many times over the years...tho havnt seen him since I got clean..if my mom was still alive she could tell you a couple storys about him and how he saved my life a couple times while I was growing up.That indian made her a believer..anyhoos..
The dope/drugs curbed the knacks/psi..mellowed down the empathic ability so I wasn't picking up on all the static around me..
Prison...no paranormal stuff there..and it gave me time to heal and dry up..dont have an op on why really..and don't know if location or building has anything to do with it..good question..

the connection with the natural world...call in birds snakes..frogs turtles..insects..pets...they seem to trust me esp when I was younger..and I felt and feel a deep connection with em..and it seems they share in this too.tho calling em in to visit is rare for me now..

Will answer more as I go..havnt seen my wife in few weeks so....

Thanks again DNA...

[petra]

Face palm.


Ok, creepy. Just went outside to car to fetch something and a 4wd is sitting across the road with a man looking out through his tinted window at me. There is nothing on that side of the road. Eew.

Double Face Palm? Yeah, that's creepy. That would give me the Heebie Jeebies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heebie-jeebies_(idiom))

[william r sanford72]

DNA..This could bee a proper avatar..:bigsmile:

http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/7330540/1118full-fred-g.-sanford.jpg

Ok..Farm location and portals..maybe..there has been three deaths directly involved with the property..and there are large deposits of granite and limestone..fairly close to the surface.as I have seen orbs.. strange animals..strange insect type creatures and flashes of light.. bangs and snaps/slaping type sounds.Heavy military/government presence directly linked to the multi ufo landings and sightings over the area and town I live near.atleast that's what it seemed like to me at the time..This has never happened to us/me prior.

The last close up sighting for me and becca..was her first and only one so far..and when asked about it today if she would help me give her perspective on it... resulted in her giving me that look...she still has some issues with it and doesn't want to talk publicly about it tho she did help report to mufon regarding the sighting... from the start it took a whole lot of convincing as she was very shocked and frightend for a while..ugh..still can here her yelling..shouting at me from the car when the ufo got to about 50 to 100 feet above my head.the sound she made of terror still echos in my mind and heart..

Did I cover it all DNA??..

William.

[petra]

Just choose nice friends so they don't bring you down. Be aware of love bites too, I have read some folk feel they have an attraction to each other that would not normally be the sort of folk they would go for. Apparently, it can be a match made by the ET's that are abducting.

Thanks findingneo, you're right about being involved with people who have bad habits. I have a few of those myself, and it's tough sometimes figuring out which ones to fix first! I kind of weary too, so I'll just say "screw the love drama" and avoid it all and stay single. To be honest the idea of intercourse has started to get pretty gross too, and so really why would I want to "lead someone on" so to speak when I have absolutely 0 intention of letting them touch me. That could change of course - that's just how I feel now, but right now it feels like that'll never change.



Well,, I for one would like to hear about that. That is if you are willing to tell it.


I don't know how I'm going to do it... I'll try to make my own thread but I just don't know where to begin. What would I even call it, "the day evil grinned at me"? That does remind me of something you might know though, the book is called "Voyage to Arcturus" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Voyage_to_Arcturus) and the reason it's important is because my thoughts said "Don't read that!" when I tried to read some of it. My thoughts don't yell at me not to do something very often and so it kind of makes me pay attention and wonder what the hell. The wiki link says this book is an "exploration of good and evil", and I vaguely recall something about getting surrounded by evil stuff at the end of the book (like it was looking at him).




I guess I'm going to have to consider myself an abductee as well, even though it feels weird to say those words.
Is this more of a feeling or do you have memories that make this so?
I mean both are valid. Folks who have an intuition that they are getting abducted are probably more so than not correct on this hunch.


Not really... feels more like something is "messing with my programming" so to speak.


What is the patten?


If I had to sum it all up I'd have to say "religious stuff". I could call myself an "athiest magnet" and that would be pretty true. I just don't see what the big deal is - I mean, who cares if someone believes in a deity or not as long as they're nice. There's jerks in every religion, but where do you see that in nature? Cats maybe, or monkeys. But that's all :)




The most recent relationship I had, THAT man developed epilepsy! He had a seizure in his sleep, broke a bone in his back, and was hospitalized.
Holy crap!!
That is crazy...
You mean to tell me that he had never experienced a seizure before this incident and that out of no-where he developed epilepsy? I didn't even know you could have adult on-set epilepsy.


Yeah me either. Is things making me shudder a pattern? Starting to think so, because it really does make me shudder to think of my friends suffering because of me. I don't blame myself though, no no no... I get that something else is "pulling strings" too. Something in my head told me I'm "not a puppet" before.. and I swear... that had BETTER be true... OR ELSE? lol...



Does he have a family history of epilepsy?
From what I understand this is something very common to be passed on from parents or grandparents.


I think I had better find out.. he might have told me and I forget. I don't think so, it's all very weird and unnatural to me, but I'm sure there's a valid reason for it all - we just can't see it.



I would be suspicious as well. Where there any obvious reasons for you to be suspicious, especially on this specific night?


I wish I would remember that more clearly. I was too wrapped up fighting an imaginary war in my head, and I just worry what ever I was doing at the time could have affected him somehow. As if something in another dimension was trying to send me a threatening message by doing something nasty to my friend...? I know how paranoid it sounds, but breaking a bone in your back while you sleep is so drastic. Maybe just an unhappy coincidence, but even so..... yuck.



I wanted to get past the question part of the abductions scenario regarding "is this happening" and move into the "what do we do now that we know it is real" scenario.
I'm sure if you stop and think about it there have been plenty of good relationships in your life, and people who have benefited from your being there for them. :thumb:

Perhaps there have been, it's hard to say! I can't tell what's real, my feelings are SO TRICKY! That's what's real for me - having my feelings messed with. It's the whole "How Dare You Mess With My Feelings" kind of thing, it just doesn't feel right and kind of makes me mad when it boils right down to it.



You need friends Petra, we all do. You need folks in your life to care about and who care about you.
Do not ostracize yourself from friends and family over things that are only conjecture and speculation.:flower:
I'm of the opinion we have to use two different modes of thought when operating in these waters. On one hand we engage the situation and seek clarity and truth. But at the same time on another hand we refuse memory of any of this stuff and stay as detached from it as possible.
If we do not have the detachment then this stuff can drive us nuts.

I know you are right... just feels like I have to be so careful what ever I say or do. I dare not say that word "abductee" to anyone.

It feels like I've reached a certain level of detachment... but not quite there yet. It's hard to read things when you're gagging so much you can't read it, or vomiting all over it, you know? Pardon my grossness, that's probably the least nauseating way that I can describe how it feels to read some of the more awful stories and recollections.



My prescription is for those who have reached a certain depth in their pursuits.
For those who may have not reached said depth, this suggestion might seem silly.
I'm basically preaching "detachment" as suggested by Castaneda and well emphasized by some folks I've dialogued with.
When entering into hyper strangeness in full participation mode one needs to employ detachment however one can.
My suggestion was what I've done when the strangeness was overwhelming and I needed to ignore it so it would hopefully ignore me.

For me I could not ignore what was going on and I felt like I had to resort to begging... so that is what I did. Begging God I guess, certainly not those other things. I remember thinking "well gee, if this crap keeps up I'm going to have to tie some rocks to my feet and hop into the ocean". I feel a lot safer now but really I don't know what helped me and I'm not saying that begging for safety is any solution at all (really I'm just a big wimp lol)

[findingneo]

Hey Petra, you are a gorgeous girl and you deserve to be happy. I think it would be a really good idea to contact Bill as I think he could help or suggest the best help. Sounds like there is something giving you a really hard time on several levels and you could do with some assistance. My thoughts are with you. Lots of love. FN.

[DNA]

Ok..Farm location and portals..maybe..there has been three deaths directly involved with the property.. What kind of deaths?


and there are large deposits of granite and limestone..
Granite boulders always played a key role in the David Paulides books.
Very dense and full of quartz. I was always of the opinion that Granite served as some kind of gateway medium.
You wouldn't think so because of how dense it is, but I read a story once about a girl here in Arizona who's car broke down on Mt. Graham here in Arizona where the Catholic Binoculor telescope is. This girl was sitting beside a granite boulder when all of a sudden huge hairy arms that appeared Sasquatch like came out of the boulder trying to grab her. So Granite appears to be on Mt. Graham to some extent and Mt. Graham is definitely a portal area.
I've heard limestone seems to be the common denominator with crop circles in England, but that is about the extent of my knowledge in so far as limestone associations with UFO's and such.


fairly close to the surface.as I have seen orbs.. strange animals..strange insect type creatures and flashes of light.. bangs and snaps/slaping type sounds.Heavy military/government presence directly linked to the multi ufo landings and sightings over the area and town I live near.atleast that's what it seemed like to me at the time..This has never happened to us/me prior.
What kind of strange animals?
What kind of strange insect type creatures?
Heavy Millitary presence is something to expect if it is a portal area.
The Millitary bought the Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona which is legendary for the stuff that went on there.
There appears to be a portal area in the Rainbow Valley of Phoenix AZ, and Luke Airforce Base is right there basically.
So yes, you could very well be in a portal zone, I would love to hear a description of the animals there, but cryptids are one of the main signs you are in a portal zone. Your home sounds wonderful, but I'll be honest bro, I wouldn't want that sh!t around my kids. If there was something I could do to curtail the situation, I think I would do it and moving were an option to curtailing the situation I would certainly entertain that notion.



The last close up sighting for me and becca..was her first and only one so far..and when asked about it today if she would help me give her perspective on it... resulted in her giving me that look...she still has some issues with it and doesn't want to talk publicly about it tho she did help report to mufon regarding the sighting...
My wife gives me those looks to. She is pretty open minded, but I know when to simply stop discussing a certain topic due to those looks and her discomfort at the mention of them. On another note, and this is just me, I wouldn't report anything to mufon, I'm of the opinion that they are a compromised institution simply creating files on folks, but that's just me I could be wrong. :)


from the start it took a whole lot of convincing as she was very shocked and frightend for a while..ugh..still can here her yelling..shouting at me from the car when the ufo got to about 50 to 100 feet above my head.the sound she made of terror still echos in my mind and heart..
Damn

[findingneo]

Yes, I would be out of there too william r sanford72. Like DNA says. I know someone in my region who used to live right in a place like that. Only solution there was for her to move well away and take whole family. They just decided one day to up and leave. Things were fine after that.

[findingneo]

william r sanford72 you mention a heavy military presence, is there an actual base? I wonder what they are doing? Was there activity there prior to the base?

[Hazelfern]

I asked to speak of my paranormal experience from 2013. Thanks for the greenlight.
I came home from grocery shopping in the winter time, it was still light but fading.
As I came through the front door a non existent wind ripped the door from my hand.
My beloved rat terrier was right there with me and gave me a look, like: What was that?
I closed the door and put the groceries away. I sat down at the computer and completed a few mundane tasks.
Not long after all the dogs started barking. I got up and checked the front door. It was now dark so I looked through the glass before opening. Nobody to be seen. Dogs (4) still barking. I checked through the glass again, nobody there.
Then there was a knock on the door, except the knock sounded like it was on the inside, just around my knees.
WTH! I opened the door expecting to see a child. Who else would knock on my door at knee height? I knew the knock came from the inside but I went through the motions of answering the door. Within 5 seconds of opening the door, every smoke detector in the house went off at the same time. That went on for 15 seconds or so.
Then, silence. Nothing. The surprising thing, I was not afraid. My beloved rat terrier never recovered from the smoke detector alarms blaring. She died 4 years later from Status epilepticus.

[petra]

Hey Petra, you are a gorgeous girl and you deserve to be happy. I think it would be a really good idea to contact Bill as I think he could help or suggest the best help. Sounds like there is something giving you a really hard time on several levels and you could do with some assistance. My thoughts are with you. Lots of love. FN.

That's sweet of you to say, I think I deserve happiness too. I'm happy sometimes! I don't think it's possible for me to be lonely anymore because my thoughts talk to me sometimes and kind of "keep me company", so that's my loneliness problem solved I guess. I think the trick to finding happiness is knowing what you want first, and that's something I've yet to discover.

In fact nothing is troubling me, but if it does, PA will be one of the first to know.

Technically I'm already contacting Bill because he's always around, I just don't want to waste his time when lots more people need help more than I do. If I am causing any trouble I expect he or another mod will let me know :)

[petra]

My prescription is for those who have reached a certain depth in their pursuits.
For those who may have not reached said depth, this suggestion might seem silly.
I'm basically preaching "detachment" as suggested by Castaneda and well emphasized by some folks I've dialogued with.
When entering into hyper strangeness in full participation mode one needs to employ detachment however one can.
My suggestion was what I've done when the strangeness was overwhelming and I needed to ignore it so it would hopefully ignore me.



For me I could not ignore what was going on and I felt like I had to resort to begging... so that is what I did. Begging God I guess, certainly not those other things. I remember thinking "well gee, if this crap keeps up I'm going to have to tie some rocks to my feet and hop into the ocean". I feel a lot safer now but really I don't know what helped me and I'm not saying that begging for safety is any solution at all (really I'm just a big wimp lol)

Hi DNA, I've thought about this some more and I really don't think me begging helped any bit, AT ALL. What I did was more like a loud cry for help than begging, and it feels like I have at the very least got "something's" attention. I don't pretend to think it's God, but I also don't trust the motives of any other beings either.

To me it feels like something else helped me out, it's difficult to explain what it feels like to "feel like someone else" so I'll just skip that part for now.

I might be channeling something, I don't know. I really hope not. I'm trying really hard to think of any other "commands" my thoughts have told me other than "Don't read that!" (happened twice), and the only ones I can think of are all stupid.

One stands out... it said "BE GOOD" and it was so "loud" that it scared the crap out of me! I guess that can't be a bad thing can it? I don't even think that was directed at me... more like I "overheard" that one.

I wrote a cynical poem that at first glance, looks like it's to God. I called the poem "God Already Knows" I did not write the poem for God though... I wrote it as a TRAP for someone else. Then I forgot I wrote the poem, found it years later, and laughed so much that I nearly died from laughing. I'll post it in the Express Yourself area... and put a disclaimer on it... just in case! I really do not want to offend anybody with my horrible cynical poetry... but to me it's funny. Much better than "the day evil grinned at me" :)

[william r sanford72]

No More running for me...I asked becca and the kids yesterday?..No Running..we go with the flow..deal with it as it comes..ufos/ghost/aliens/demons/inter dem etc..and the activity has died down to almost nothing.None of us are willing to move as of yet...

Deaths on and around the Property...2 I could confirm.third is to shady a story and nobody to back it.first death was a womens while giving birth.Her husband and her lived in this house in the thirtys..the baby..a boy.. lived and I meant the man/boy who was raised by his dad on this farm for the first 12 years of his life..He showed up here about 10 years ago..he wanted to see the house he was born in..he had moved to another state when young and went on to become a teacher on native American rez.Was retired and looking back.Very cool guy..

The second death was a heart Attack while building the barn we currently use..this happenend long before beccas family bought the farm/land..

Posted about some encounters with Giant owls and rabbits..also about thee insects and orbs on other post over the years.

There is a Drone base outside of desmoines Ia...whatever was hovering over me ..what shocked becca wasn't a Drone we the people would know about..it was so fast at times that my eyes and brain couldn't keep up..no sound no exhaust..

I knew and know Mufon was compromised even at the time..wanted a official record/reporting and not all in mufon are lacky sellouts..there are good peeps still in the field and still doing honest work and help.and..at this point who cares...they already know..

wasn't being dramatic about beccas terror...it still haunts me.

William.

[TravelerJim]

Folks, great discussion.

I need help here please.

I'm in love (I think) with a woman who I think is an abductee or at least is connected in some way to ETs, but we haven't talked about it. But she does have grey statues of sorts in her bedroom and is guided by a channeler who channels her "Guides". She says she has multiple hybrids as children. She says she is a starseed as this is what she has been told. She asks the Guides very specific questions and they give her very specific answers. (From what I have gathered the more specific the answers are the more questionable the sources are, wrt the source of information.) Also, there are many other processes she works on (Ascended masters, Tarot cards of sorts, etc.), some of which seem to be good.

I do believe my energy is clean.

And there are other factors I have not mentioned in this short post about her.

So the question is this - is my head and heart being played with? It sure seems that way.

Any help is much appreciated.

[DNA]

Folks, great discussion.
Indeed, I have enjoyed it immensely. :)


I need help here please.

I'm going to let myself off the hook here with a small disclaimer.
Nobody can help you but yourself.
The more someone pretends to know then the more clueless they probably are, kind of like the line from that Kansas song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHZkzv2HBYM
uHZkzv2HBYM


I'm in love (I think) with a woman who I think is an abductee or at least is connected in some way to ETs, but we haven't talked about it.
Why don't you beat around the bush. Say like "hey you ever see that movie fire in the sky?", or "what do you think about Whitley Strieber?".
Once the subject has been brought up and you two are talking about it maybe you can find an opening that will allow you to bring up the topic that is closer to home.


But she does have grey statues of sorts in her bedroom and is guided by a channeler who channels her "Guides".
She has statues of greys in her bedroom? That is kind of a tell tale sign.

She says she has multiple hybrids as children.
You do know that this would mean either Ego from Guardians of the Galaxy is coming down from upon high to make sweet love to your woman from time to time, or she is an abductee? Right?
And since Ego is a fictitious character from a major motion picture then I'm thinking it's the second choice there.


She says she is a starseed as this is what she has been told.
A very loaded statement.
For the record let me state something.
We all come from a higher dimension as souls, and just because you were born on another planet before you came to earth it doesn't make you better than anyone that is not from somewhere else.
Being a starseed doesn't make you special, it doesn't make you better than anyone else and further more being a starseed does not mean pixie dust in the form of sparkling granules light up the room when exiting your butt when you fart.
Just throwing that out there.
Don't get caught up in thinking you are sitting at the feet of Jesus/Buddha/Don Juan just because someone states they are a starseed.


She asks the Guides very specific questions and they give her very specific answers.
Mixing psychic mojo with abductions can sometimes result in some bad juju.
Just FYI.
Karla Turner and Barbara Bartholic warned of this.
Also, we have the Galactic Federation of Light and the Ashtar Command of which both sound very much like what I'm hearing here.
I have very little love for either of these groups, I've discussed this a few years ago here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22622-Galactic-Federation-Of-Light-and-Ashtar-Command-Are-they-AI-Negative-ETs



(From what I have gathered the more specific the answers are the more questionable the sources are, wrt the source of information.) Also, there are many other processes she works on (Ascended masters, Tarot cards of sorts, etc.), some of which seem to be good.
Just because entities with psychic abilities are speaking through a human medium doesn't mean they are always telling the truth.
The "ascended master" phrase is very loaded in my opinion.
I mean a real ascended master, or lets just say a being very advanced would not want to over ride your decision making and thus your will by telling you they were an ascended master, they would leave it up to you discern.
Freewill is a very big deal to true higher beings.
It just is.
They don't use terms like Ascended Master, they just don't. :no:
They respect your freewill too much to encourage you to deactivate it, and by someone referring to themself as an Ascended Master that is what they are doing.



I do believe my energy is clean.
The more reason you should treat it like a coveted commodity.
ET's certainly do in my opinion.


And there are other factors I have not mentioned in this short post about her.

So the question is this - is my head and heart being played with? It sure seems that way.

Any help is much appreciated.

I would give much attention to the "signs" and "synchronicities".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27qUO8_9uT0
27qUO8_9uT0

[findingneo]

Hi TravelrerJim, sounds like you know what you are getting yourself into, but you are torn. If your friend that you are in love with was aware of her abductions from her own thoughts (not the channeler) and she was aware what was happening to her was not a good thing, you would have much more to work with. As it is, it seems as if she is made to feel special by her abductors and holds them in awe. And she has potentially hybrid children, or she thinks she does, and either way, the Grey's have done a good job of making her a passive and willing participant, with potentially a huge emotional investment.

I am no expert, I just read a bit, so you can take or leave what I say of course. If you watch Dr David Jacob's videos and perhaps read his books, you will see what he has discovered about the alien abduction phenomenon. Basically, at first it was unclear what the abductions were for, scientific benign study perhaps? Then it became clear that it was for reproductive purposes. To improve the human body perhaps for our benefit? No, according to Dr Jacobs' it is to create and grow hybrid children that can pass as human and then the child can be integrated into human society, often by the abductee, when the hybrid child is a young adult. They need to be be taught everything about how to live down here as they have only ever lived on the craft. According to Dr Jacobs anyway, and he has dedicated plenty of time and effort into using hypnotic regression to uncover memories that are consistent across the board with potential abductees that pretty much all tell the same story and yet don't know each other. And don't think they are here to upgrade us and add to our spiritual growth. According to Jacobs', they are here to infiltrate and take control, with a willing workforce of humans that does not even notice the changes.

So if you choose to be with your love, you need to be aware that if she is completely open to all that is happening to her, she is like an open door potentially for attachments. Those that fight the abductions on some level, if they can manage it, are more of a pain in the butt for the abductors from what I have gathered. Also, this person who is channeling your friends "guides" could very well be channeling the Grey's that are doing the abducting. They are great at deception.

So, because this love has swung the doors open wide, I am guessing there is a high potential for her to be controlled, and for attachments. And as soon as you sleep with her, you sleep with her attachments, not to mention what may or may not happen regarding the abductions, if that is what is happening. Just about everyone has attachments, even if they don't think they do have. I go to some folk I trust are good for a bit of house cleaning every now and then. Attachments can be with you from one lifetime to another and you often won't know they are there.

I suppose you have to choose as to whether you want to put yourself in the flow of that river. You are aware of the downside and yet you are in love. Love bite? It might be. I met my husband of 20 years (now divorced) soon after my first time around awakening and latent psychic abilities began to show themselves quite strongly. Then suddenly, I met my husband who did seem very open minded to the spiritual side of things, and I was madly in love with him. Soon I found he wanted to stifle my new found spiritual awakening and he snuffed it out for 20 years. Her behaving like these potential abductors are the messiah will be a bone of contention between you. You might need to talk... a lot.

Romantic love is like a drug. You feel that you can't do without it even if you know it might be an unhealthy union. What I think perhaps would be a good idea would be to take some time on your own in nature and just sit. Have a think about what would be best for your soul. There will be lots of things that happen to everyone in their lives, but I have come to realize, finally, is that I should be looking after my soul. What is it that you can do that would nurture your soul in this circumstance? The addictive draw of romantic love might be irresistible, but what is it that will best for your soul? What does your soul tell you you should do?

[findingneo]

Hi again TravelerJim, by chance, as usual, I have stumbled across this timely post by Eve Lorgen on her website. I was looking up something unrelated and link after link, I found myself here, to this link I am about to share.

I don't know the other participants "love bite" point of view, but it does not matter, the other participant told Eve his side of the story. The point is, when you know deep down that something is not good for you, such as a relationship, but you take the risk because you feel that you just have to due to your feelings taking over your knowing, you learn the hard way. It can become a very co dependent relationship that is very, very hard to break free of if it were to become toxic. This person tells how a love bite affected them.

Anyway, here is the post that Eve put on her website yesterday. Hope it helps, even if it is not what you most likely want to hear. Still, free will and all that. x
http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/rebuttal-to-the-new-predator-one-other-side-of-the-story/

[TravelerJim]

Findingneo and DNA, thank you for the comments.

Just a "Reader's Digest" update, which for me at least, is interesting.

Before making the above post, I had sent "K" a text, which according to a text K sent back AFTER I made the above post, "triggered" (her words) something in her and she wanted no more contact for now. My text had to do with how I had not previously understood the deep nature of her spiritual side and that we needed to explore that to move the relationship forward.

Now, the SAME day I made the above post, a veil lifted. It was like a spell lifted. In my previous post I had said I thought I was in love. I knew when that veil lifted that as I was not in "romantic" love. That sense of "love" was replaced with a deeper love for her, and a sense of sadness for her, and a desire to help her if she was to ever reach out to me.

So, her controllers seem to have pulled her back away from me, and they pulled back the veil they had placed on me. Or, I did this myself through the act of making this post or by reading the responses before. Or, someone who was reading this got involved and assisted in some way (If that is the case, thank you). Or, fill in the blank.....

In any case, so interesting and so profound. I am wishing K the best....

[Mike]

bump:bump2:

[petra]

If I were to tell my boyfriend I've probably been abducted by aliens, and been a contestant on alien matchmaker (two times now? maybe three?), he'd probably think I was nuts.

Something in my thoughts really does not like my boyfriend, and that's rough too, because I care for him a lot. I've turned against him at least three times in the past few weeks, and not only is this really confusing, it racks up my guilt meter too.

In regards to TravelerJim's posting about K getting triggered and wanting to cease contact, that's exactly how it works with me too.

I'll try to give an example so you can judge if you'd be able to handle this or not.

I've only had one other relationship before this one where I was aware of alien interference. The man involved has always been nice to me, and we're still friends. The biggest problem was, I kept getting imagery fed into my head of him abducting and raping me! It was very unsettling, and I found it very difficult to continue trying to have a sexual relationship after that "vision" (for lack of a better term)

In the relationship I am in now, my thoughts are still trying to sabotage it. No rape imagery, but I get a lot of thoughts like "This guy is an idiot" and "What a dumbass". I've been turned against him two or three times already, but luckily for me I have the presence of mind to wait it out instead of act on it.

Imagine what he would think if I ever told him this - "Hey by the way, my thoughts think you're a dumbass, but _I_ think you're totally great!" :facepalm:

[Patient]

Comingi to this discussion late - soory for that, but i felt that it was important to contribute as I too experinced paranormal events along with UFO encounters. I also beleive that there was a portal on the property.

There is obviously a connection between the two. So perhaps ET creates a portal for travelling and paranormal entities use it - or it coukd be the other way around. Bottom line I think is where there is a portal spot, both parties aee using it.

And I too had to move my family away because it was too much to deal with a the time. We couldn't even sell the property, we just had to take the loss - things were that disruptive to our lives.

[petra]

Anyway, here is the post that Eve put on her website yesterday. Hope it helps, even if it is not what you most likely want to hear. Still, free will and all that. x
http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/rebuttal-to-the-new-predator-one-other-side-of-the-story/

Any idea where this post went? Seems to have vanished...

Feel free to offer your summary if you remember any of what she said 😀

Edit again: just noticed findingneo is.... also gone :facepalm:

[petra]

Comingi to this discussion late - soory for that, but i felt that it was important to contribute as I too experinced paranormal events along with UFO encounters. I also beleive that there was a portal on the property.


I thought there was a portal in my refrigerator. And maybe there was. I'm not joking. I called it "fridge portal". I know how dumb it sounds too. Probably something paranormal in my house too, it's got a lot of creepy stuff in it, less since my brother took away the channeling books though.

Edit: The mirror thing was worse, something about reflections, scared the crap outta me. There was a time I thought stuff was coming through the mirror too.

[onawah]

Sorry, don't mean to make light of your dilemma, but it reminds me of this scene in the Ghostbusters movie
NFZPhf5p-BU


Comingi to this discussion late - soory for that, but i felt that it was important to contribute as I too experinced paranormal events along with UFO encounters. I also beleive that there was a portal on the property.


I thought there was a portal in my refrigerator. And maybe there was. I'm not joking. I called it "fridge portal". I know how dumb it sounds too. Probably something paranormal in my house too, it's got a lot of creepy stuff in it, less since my brother took away the channeling books though.

Edit: The mirror thing was worse, something about reflections, scared the crap outta me. There was a time I thought stuff was coming through the mirror too.

I think mirrors can be haunted. I saw a ghost in a mirror once, though it was doubly weird because it wasn't with my physical eye, but my third eye.
I knew I hadn't imagined it, but I was really puzzled, so I asked the guys whose apartment the mirror was in right after I saw the ghost, and they said they had seen it and others had too, so I wasn't imagining it.
Apparently it was the ghost (or manifestation or whatever) of a cranky old guy who used to live in that apartment and died there, and seemed to get off on scaring the pants off people.
The guys who were living there when I saw it said they would give him a hard time, cuss him out, etc. which seemed to make him back off, but when there was an uninitiated visitor, apparently he couldn't resist giving them a scare. :faint: :(

[DNA]

Anyway, here is the post that Eve put on her website yesterday. Hope it helps, even if it is not what you most likely want to hear. Still, free will and all that. x
http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/rebuttal-to-the-new-predator-one-other-side-of-the-story/

Any idea where this post went? Seems to have vanished...

Feel free to offer your summary if you remember any of what she said 😀

Edit again: just noticed findingneo is.... also gone :facepalm:
Strange, I wanted to suggest Eve Lorgan's Alien Love Bite page to you but I was going to wait and instead you found another post with it being suggested.

Also strange that the page wasn't exactly able to load right.

You can still get around on Eve Lorgan's site here. http://evelorgen.com/wp/
Here is a video touching on the subject.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE9KupIgfxM
And also know that Eve Lorgan's research is based on Dr. Karla Turner's work and one would do well to research her lectures and written material.

All of Dr. Karla Turner's books are now read on youtube just for your information.

[DNA]

Sorry, don't mean to make light of your dilemma, but it reminds me of this scene in the Ghostbusters movie
NFZPhf5p-BU


Comingi to this discussion late - soory for that, but i felt that it was important to contribute as I too experinced paranormal events along with UFO encounters. I also beleive that there was a portal on the property.


I thought there was a portal in my refrigerator. And maybe there was. I'm not joking. I called it "fridge portal". I know how dumb it sounds too. Probably something paranormal in my house too, it's got a lot of creepy stuff in it, less since my brother took away the channeling books though.

Edit: The mirror thing was worse, something about reflections, scared the crap outta me. There was a time I thought stuff was coming through the mirror too.

I think mirrors can be haunted. I saw a ghost in a mirror once, though it was doubly weird because it wasn't with my physical eye, but my third eye.
I knew I hadn't imagined it, but I was really puzzled, so I asked the guys whose apartment the mirror was in right after I saw the ghost, and they said they had seen it and others had too, so I wasn't imagining it.
Apparently it was the ghost (or manifestation or whatever) of a cranky old guy who used to live in that apartment and died there, and seemed to get off on scaring the pants off people.
They guys who were living there when I saw it said they would give him a hard time, cuss him out, etc. which seemed to make him back off, but when there was an uninitiated visitor, apparently he couldn't resist giving them a scare. :faint: :(


I've heard more than a few times that mirrors can indeed be haunted, and that mirrors are often times used as portals of sorts.

Castaneda mentions a method in which the inorganic beings can be accessed and brought to this dimension through turning a mirror into a portal of sorts.

I've heard many ghost stories associated with mirrors being haunted.

I've cautioned folks when it comes to mirror gazing as a form of meditation.

[Innocent Warrior]

My son saw the Grim Reaper standing behind him in the mirror when he was four years old. He said he was really scary but looked epic and that his scythe was standing upright beside him without him holding it. He worked up the courage to look behind him and he couldn’t see him and then he was gone when he looked back at the mirror.

[mountain_jim]

Castaneda mentions a method in which the inorganic beings can be accessed and brought to this dimension through turning a mirror into a portal of sorts.

Certain temporary brain-chemistry altering substances can also function in this manner, based on a memorable and shared scary experience I had in my youth.

George Harrison's album - Living in the Material World helped focus our required Love and Light vibrations to banish the intruder from our level of awareness.

(I was also reading Castaneda's catalog for first time during this period)

[TEOTWAIKI]

Comingi to this discussion late - soory for that, but i felt that it was important to contribute as I too experinced paranormal events along with UFO encounters. I also beleive that there was a portal on the property.


I thought there was a portal in my refrigerator. And maybe there was. I'm not joking. I called it "fridge portal". I know how dumb it sounds too. Probably something paranormal in my house too, it's got a lot of creepy stuff in it, less since my brother took away the channeling books though.

Edit: The mirror thing was worse, something about reflections, scared the crap outta me. There was a time I thought stuff was coming through the mirror too.

This thread is definitely bringing out some weirdness in my psyche; got me to wondering if threads like this can be used by negative entities as portals.

I don't want to allow these entities to spoil my interest in material like this but I definitely am going to raise my spiritual shield from now on when I explore these fascinating subjects.

Maybe there should be a warning in the OP to not enter with your shields down; just saying...

[petra]

Strange, I wanted to suggest Eve Lorgan's Alien Love Bite page to you but I was going to wait and instead you found another post with it being suggested.


I first came across the idea Alien Love Bite phenomena (and hence Eve Lorgen) in Tom Montalk's book Fringe Knowledge for beginners. Although I really appreciate Ms. Lorgen's research into this, I haven't been able to glean much from any of the material. Seems like a lot of fluff, as opposed to when reading Tom's material which makes a lot more sense to me.

I tried to contact Ms. Lorgen right away but I got paywalled. There's just no way to contact her without paying, and that probably angers me a bit more than it should.

EDIT: I'll try and find some of Ms. Turner's books. So far what I've seen is a bit too over my head, and in all likeliness part/most of that is due to me still being affected by something. It's just a really strong feeling compelling me not to read Karla Turner's work, I can still read it I just think I'd like to start a little closer to the beginning.



I've heard more than a few times that mirrors can indeed be haunted, and that mirrors are often times used as portals of sorts.

Castaneda mentions a method in which the inorganic beings can be accessed and brought to this dimension through turning a mirror into a portal of sorts.

I've heard many ghost stories associated with mirrors being haunted.

I've cautioned folks when it comes to mirror gazing as a form of meditation.

Gross! I've never heard of a haunted mirror I've heard of magic mirrors though. Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the most beautiful mirror of all? (sorry couldn't resist). Maybe I came across some of the mirror stuff in Tom's material, I can't remember.

Whatever it was, it felt like it was my fault that there was imaginary crap coming through my mirror, like I inadvertently cast a spell on it or something (it's ridiculous, I know). I must have been standing in something stupid at the time... :P

PS: The reason I thought the fridge had a portal in it is one day mother opened it and the whole room filled with light. I probably hallucinated something, and my idiot brain decided there must be a portal in my fridge :facepalm:



This thread is definitely bringing out some weirdness in my psyche; got me to wondering if threads like this can be used by negative entities as portals.

I don't want to allow these entities to spoil my interest in material like this but I definitely am going to raise my spiritual shield from now on when I explore these fascinating subjects.

Maybe there should be a warning in the OP to not enter with your shields down; just saying...

Threads like.. this forum thread? Ha! Well, I don't know about a "portal" in the thread (that's so amusing!), but I do know that forums in general can be used for "hyperdimensional attacks". Not only have I heard it said, but I've experienced it first hand. These "attacks" can backfire though, if you think of them as clues or questions instead. For example if you're reading a posting and it feels like you get a punch in the guts out of the blue, that's probably the universe asking you a question.

[Patient]

I think that we have lumped different things together when discussing portals. Although they are performing similar to each other (as far as we can detect) I think they are differences worth noting.

When referring to a mirror allowing "something" to come through (similar to a Ouiji board) I think there is a difference between that and a large portal, although i do not know what it is. But I have experienced a portal effect where when it possibly opened there was a loud clap of air and then there was a large physical distortion in the air. Looking through it, light and distance was distorted in a subtle way, unlike anything that I could relate it to. (The light just looked wrong - very difficult to describe. But there was definately something in the air between myself and where i was looking towards that affected how everything looked.)

When you have a Ouiji board for example ( but i do not recommend using one), you can open up a connection of some type, to some type of "things".

[Patient]

Having given this more thought, perhaps portals like what occurs at Skinwalker ranch for example, may require certain elements to be present and that could be a reason for them re-occuring in the same vicinity. Or it could be that they require either a specific type of energy/science.

I would love to experience something like this at skinwalker ranch to see if it similar to what I experienced.

As I have experienced 2, and possibly 3 of these types of events and they all occured in very closr proximity to each other, I believe that portals are often something more "fixed" to a location and something like a doorway or gateway might not require as much energy (or elements) and can occur anywhere.

...and I have to say that once again I am very grateful to the Avalon site as it provides a place where I can communicate abiut this type of stuff. These topics dont go over well with most company.

[DNA]

Comingi to this discussion late - soory for that, but i felt that it was important to contribute as I too experinced paranormal events along with UFO encounters. I also beleive that there was a portal on the property.


I thought there was a portal in my refrigerator. And maybe there was. I'm not joking. I called it "fridge portal". I know how dumb it sounds too. Probably something paranormal in my house too, it's got a lot of creepy stuff in it, less since my brother took away the channeling books though.

Edit: The mirror thing was worse, something about reflections, scared the crap outta me. There was a time I thought stuff was coming through the mirror too.

This thread is definitely bringing out some weirdness in my psyche; got me to wondering if threads like this can be used by negative entities as portals.

I don't want to allow these entities to spoil my interest in material like this but I definitely am going to raise my spiritual shield from now on when I explore these fascinating subjects.

Maybe there should be a warning in the OP to not enter with your shields down; just saying...

Could be you are experiencing cognitive dissonance in terms of hearing information that threatens your perceived reality. Paradigms are quite capable of screaming in protest and causing quite a bit of discomfort in our psyches when threatened.
This whole subject caused me quite a bit of cognitive dissonance and paradigm altering confrontations that scared the beejesus out of me.

In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values.

[DNA]

Having given this more thought, perhaps portals like what occurs at Skinwalker ranch for example, may require certain elements to be present and that could be a reason for them re-occuring in the same vicinity. Or it could be that they require either a specific type of energy/science.

I would love to experience something like this at skinwalker ranch to see if it similar to what I experienced.

As I have experienced 2, and possibly 3 of these types of events and they all occured in very closr proximity to each other, I believe that portals are often something more "fixed" to a location and something like a doorway or gateway might not require as much energy (or elements) and can occur anywhere.

...and I have to say that once again I am very grateful to the Avalon site as it provides a place where I can communicate abiut this type of stuff. These topics dont go over well with most company.


Scott Carpenter goes into the wooded areas mentioned as hot spots in the MISSING 411 work by Paulides.

He hikes alone with a video camera aimed behind him and it is amazing some of the things that poke their heads out to watch him as he has walked by.



Published on Dec 30, 2016
I capture two entities that appear to be cloaked. They manifest but remain translucent. Then a "portal" appears to open. Are these entities stepping through the portal? Is this what Adam Davies, John Carlsonand Dr Matthew Johnson encountered ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AdbAEjgiHQ&t=475s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AdbAEjgiHQ&t=475s

[petra]

Could be you are experiencing cognitive dissonance in terms of hearing information that threatens your perceived reality. Paradigms are quite capable of screaming in protest and causing quite a bit of discomfort in our psyches when threatened.


The strong felling which compels me not to read things is most certainly some kind of cognitive dissonance. When I boil it down as far as I can, essentially I "just don't feel ready" to go there quite yet. But the other part of me which is persistent about not ignoring this phenomena is very persistent too, and I think I'll get there eventually. Ideally I'd like a digital or physical book and not a video, but might end up settling for a video.

[TEOTWAIKI]

Comingi to this discussion late - soory for that, but i felt that it was important to contribute as I too experinced paranormal events along with UFO encounters. I also beleive that there was a portal on the property.


I thought there was a portal in my refrigerator. And maybe there was. I'm not joking. I called it "fridge portal". I know how dumb it sounds too. Probably something paranormal in my house too, it's got a lot of creepy stuff in it, less since my brother took away the channeling books though.

Edit: The mirror thing was worse, something about reflections, scared the crap outta me. There was a time I thought stuff was coming through the mirror too.

This thread is definitely bringing out some weirdness in my psyche; got me to wondering if threads like this can be used by negative entities as portals.

I don't want to allow these entities to spoil my interest in material like this but I definitely am going to raise my spiritual shield from now on when I explore these fascinating subjects.

Maybe there should be a warning in the OP to not enter with your shields down; just saying...

Could be you are experiencing cognitive dissonance in terms of hearing information that threatens your perceived reality. Paradigms are quite capable of screaming in protest and causing quite a bit of discomfort in our psyches when threatened.
This whole subject caused me quite a bit of cognitive dissonance and paradigm altering confrontations that scared the beejesus out of me.

In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values.

This may be true is some cases but certainly not in mine and especially in regards to this thread.
I have seen and experienced such bizarre "realities" in this life that entities coming through the mirror or out of the refrigerator are completely not threatening to my "belief" systems; of which I strive to have none. I'm not there yet but slowly and surely I'm stomping on the programming elves and throwing them out with the bath water.

I think it's more likely that there are suppressed memories about abductions triggering some type of response in my subconscious. I really fail to see how it is funny that this thread could be used as a portal when it seems accepted a refrigerator can :)

[petra]

The title of the OP says DON'T date an abductee, and I remember scoffing at that initially. But really when I boil it right down, I wouldn't wish myself on my worst enemy! I feel like I should go out and buy myself a box of T-Shirts that say "Danger!" on them...

That might just be my guilt talking. I've warned my boyfriend somewhat already (he knows I have mental issues), I guess I just feel like he doesn't really know what he's getting himself in for. What ever happens, I'm determined not to hurt him.

[koundinya]

I have also read the books of Karla Turner which are "Into the Fringe" and "Taken" in 2016.

2016 is the year where i Spiritually initiated (exact is Upgraded) when i come across the book of "Alien Interview" edited by Lawrence R. Spencer.

Not all Abductions are bad. Some experienced healing of diseases. Of-course, most of abductions are for Genetic engineering experiments performed by Grays from Zeta Reticuli Star system who have received permission from American Government (all in internet).

But i would like be to near to an Abductee to have cosmic voyage through Abduction by Aliens :bigsmile:, rest history.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TaacEPsdPjU/WJ5uCZm5sOI/AAAAAAAAcng/xluEPPrTarcSRt4IWodaAyawpFbCWMD3gCJoC/w720-h540-p/abduct3.jpg

[DNA]

Not all Abductions are bad. Some experienced healing of diseases. Of-course, most of abductions are for Genetic engineering experiments performed by Grays from Zeta Reticuli Star system who have received permission from American Government (all in internet).
But i would like be to near to an Abductee to have cosmic voyage :bigsmile:, rest history.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TaacEPsdPjU/WJ5uCZm5sOI/AAAAAAAAcng/xluEPPrTarcSRt4IWodaAyawpFbCWMD3gCJoC/w720-h540-p/abduct3.jpg
Anything done to you without your consent is violating your personal sovereignty and your freewill.

Anything or anyone doing this is by it's very nature negative, manipulative and dare I say, evil.

[petra]

Anything done to you without your consent is violating your personal sovereignty and your freewill.

Anything or anyone doing this is by it's very nature negative, manipulative and dare I say, evil.

I wholeheartedly agree with this, I just feel as if there could be some kind of "consent loophole", because I really don't think any abductees said "Yes I agree to being abducted, please go ahead and abduct me". I agreed to "take my brother's place" (which I still agree to), and in my mind, that could be a kind of loophole. I imagine quote a few people would be willing to "take the place" of someone they love.

EDIT: We can define if someone has free will or not by judging if they still have the ability to do otherwise. If they don't have the ability to do otherwise, then they are not in control of their will.

Back to Ms. Lorgen for a moment - In the article from Nov 29, she stated she no longer believes in soulless humans; "I no longer think that some of us have souls while the others do not." This made me laugh out loud because I remember my mother telling me there's no such thing as spiritless people.

Now back to montalk.net (we've gone full circle again!). That's how I found Tom Montalk - I was looking for more info on spiritless people (because I was researching psychopathy).

A startling realization hit me a few days ago too - I'm still processing this. That realization is: "Tom's Involved Too". I don't know why I didn't see it before, I'm blaming that one on cognitive dissonance.

Tom has publicly talked about his abduction experiences, but only vaguely.

Back to not dating abductees.

Tom has a girlfriend who's very understanding of this "paranormal stuff", and in my mind, I think he's really lucky! I imagine she chose to be his girlfriend knowing full well what she was getting into, and that he is not hiding anything from her. The problem I am having personally with relationships is, I have to hide things (because if I don't, I just end up looking like an idiot)