A new Mars witness, never published (and a real one this time)

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, Everyone:

When looking through some archives this morning searching for something else, I stumbled on some fascinating details of a Mars witness that no-one has ever heard of. Believe it or not, I'd quite forgotten about it.

He'd been referred to us by friend and researcher Bill Hamilton in September 2007, who had extensive correspondence with him (and even an audio interview, which I do not have). There's a lot of detail. Kerry and I had tried to contact him, but failed. Things were so hectic in Camelot days that this was one thing we never took further. I will try to contact him again.

The information has never been published. I'll redact his personal details (I have his full name, address, e-mail, phone number, wife's and brother's names, and even his ham radio call sign). Everything else will be verbatim. I'll call him RDW.

Here's what I heard from Bill Hamilton, on 26 September, 2007:

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Bill,

As you know I interviewed many interesting whistle blowers over the last 25 years or so.

One of them was _________ [name given: 'RDW' from now on in this post] who I've lost contact with. He worked as a pilot and engineer in reverse-engineered craft. One of these he flew to the moon and another he flew to Mars in 96 hours to a manned base underground.

I have a taped recording of his description. At the time I knew it was an extraordinary and unprovable claim and I told few about this.

RDW is a brilliant, prolific very intense and hard working physicist with unusual focus and insight. He received his doctorate in 1976 in theoretical physics following his receiving his BS in aerospace engineering in 1973 and was requested to join the Air Force where he continued his studies along with his special and highly classified assignments.

He worked for the US Air Force Systems Command, Aeronautical Engineering Division (Wright-Patterson AFB, OH) for 7 years and then after resigning, co-started several very successful high-technology businesses, focusing on new product design and automation in the computer industry.

After an extremely successful career, he retired in 1989 to raise his 2 adopted children with his wife [name given but redacted in this post] where they live a quiet and secluded life near their children's school.

Now, here is the rub. He knew retired General William Miller, who I talked to over the phone... and General Miller knew RDW.

Gen. Miller worked out at Area S9 (Nellis AFB) on the black projects in the late 70s. He knows RDW, who worked out there during the same period. He said there were 5 levels underground at Groom Lake - that is where most of the "stuff" is kept.

He said he heard about 90% has been moved to Australia since the UFO buffs started going out there. Also knew Bill Uhouse who worked on the flying saucer simulators.

He said that all projects were so compartmentalized that all of them only had pieces of the puzzle. Believes he and others are dying of radiation-induced tumors (perhaps ELF). Said the military-industrial-intelligence complex is more powerful than our representative government.

A government outside of the government was spun out during the Nixon-era, but he believes he started with Ike. Also J. Edgar Hoover was a king-pin. All clearances given by FBI.

He joked about a clearance known as TOD (Threat of Death). Knows they have been able to shift the frequency of time. There is a covert space program.

I mentioned that a Colonel Miller (no relation) said we had a base on the moon. He has heard this, but has no first-hand knowledge. (from my UFOGATE notes)

Bill Hamilton
AstroScience Research Network
http://www.astrosciences.info


Bill Hamilton later wrote, on 29 December, 2007:




Bill.

As I have said before I have had an informant who had been to the Mars Colony and, recently, a correspondent named Ron managed to link up with him in the hopes of getting more info, but the informant is again hard to reach. RDW worked on reverse engineering of advanced propulsion systems. He is an Aerospace Engineer and physicist. He won't answer his email.

Maybe you could give it a go and try to persuade him to do a video interview for posterity. Here is the latest contact info I have for him:



[Full name, address, phone number, e-mail, brother's name and phone number given — and from that I (Bill Ryan) was able to look up in public records, verify the details, and even find his ham radio call sign.]

Bill Hamilton
AstroScience Research Network
http://www.astrosciences.info


I wrote the following letter, after an e-mail was not returned, and his phone was not answered. But we never heard from him.






Dear __________ ,

We have been given your contact details by our good friend Bill Hamilton, who has told us a little about your testimony to him that you know a good deal from personal experience about the present-time Earth-Mars connection. (And that may be a euphemism indeed!)

If you have not heard of us and our work, please take a moment to visit www.projectcamelot.org (http://www.projectcamelot.org). We publish in-depth interviews with credible whistleblowers (one or two of them anonymous or otherwise fully disguised if requested) and make them freely available on the internet. We are widely respected and pretty well-connected in the UFO community. Our interviewees have included Bill Hamilton, Bill Holden, Jim Sparks, Dan Sherman, Dan Burisch, Bob Dean, Clifford Stone, David Wilcock, Richard Hoagland and quite a few others, a couple of whom have requested full anonymity.

One source, ‘Henry Deacon’ (a pseudonym) – a very talented physicist and electronics specialist who has worked in black projects for many years in a variety of locations – has himself spent time on Mars and presents a detailed, credible story. See www.projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_4.html (http://www.projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_4.html) for details.

In essence, Henry traveled to the Mars colony on several occasions (the largest one, which he states has a population of 670,000, thought the numbers have apparently waxed and waned over time) – using what he described as ‘jumproom’ technology.

He explained that a ‘jumproom’ is a device like an elevator. One enters a small room, the metal doors close, the doors open again, and “you walk out into a different place”. As he said, you can even go to Mars for lunch.

He knew of the alternative space program but he always ‘jumped’ there rather than traveling in a physical craft. Interestingly, he was adamant that the alternative space program must not be stopped as he firmly believed that its intentions were beneficial, whatever the methods used to maintain secrecy. He was adamant that there was just too much at stake and the continuation of the program must not be jeopardized.

We understand and genuinely sympathize with this, but also believe that the human race has a right to know its situation, the threats that face it, the problems and solutions, our friends and foes, our history and possible destiny. Because our commitment is to the truth, and to be responsible about communicating that, this is why we have taken the liberty of contacting you directly.

If you would like to meet or otherwise communicate in any way, we would be happy to do this under any conditions of confidentiality you might stipulate. We never publish personal details (or personal testimony) without a full clearance from the witness concerned.

If you have any information that you might consider might beneficially be made public, there are a variety of ways this might be done – ranging from an anonymous, sanitized e-mail Q and A interview on the one hand to an on-camera interview on the other (with or without audio or video disguise). Other possibilities are to do a genuine interview and then transcribe it and destroy (or let you have) the original tapes. We could essentially do this in whatever way you wished.

We’re based in LA, but are happy to travel to ______ …or could meet anywhere else you specify.

With our warmest regards to you,

Bill and Kerry
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Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
PROJECT CAMELOT
www.projectcamelot.org (http://www.projectcamelot.org)

[Cidersomerset]

Guess what ? The Anglo Saxon mission and Jump room to Mars are the two most
camelot/Avalon interviews I have watched over to date. So I am going to play it
again now....


JUMPROOM TO MARS

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[Bill Ryan]

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Yes. A 'Jumproom' was MY name for it (which prompted Henry to nod in agreement at the term, when I came up with it). It was never formally used on the 'inside', though Andy Basiago has adopted the term and often refers to it in his presentations.

Later, Henry stated (to Kerry, myself and also to David Wilcock) that it's actually called 'The Corridor'.

[Bill Ryan]

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There's another story I should tell (and a contact I should try to pick up again). One time in 2007/2008 (I would need to look it up, but I have it all archived) Kerry and I both had flu, and were also on the road. It was a tough few weeks.

After that hectic period was all over, I was searching for something in my e-mails, and saw to my horror that there was an e-mail I'd missed.

It was from someone who was ASKING to be interviewed, who had been recommended for the Nobel Prize in Physics, had worked with Majestic on antigravity, and knew all about the Moon Bases. He said that Project Horizon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Horizon) was fully operational.

I wrote back to him immediately, but he, too, never replied, We'd missed him. He'd been willing to go on video. :facepalm:

My guess was that his e-mail to us had been intercepted and he'd been ordered not to talk. One has to act fast.

These people do exist, and the programs do exist. But they are NOT allowed to talk.

[Cidersomerset]

Kerry and I both had flu, and were also on the road. It was a tough few weeks.


I can remember Henry Deacon saying he used vit, D3 as he did not go outside
a great deal and it helped prevent colds and flew. I do take them from time
to time and will do more during the winter months.

I know these are not new vids but they do give a lot of the basic information that
Bill and Kerry discovered in the early days, about Mars and other related topics.
Just in case new members or viewers have not seen them and definitely worth a
recap if you have not watched them lately......


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Henry Deacon at Zurich Conference, A New World, if you can take it

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Introduction by Bill Ryan of Henry Deacon to the public during a talk from Brian
O´Leary on alternative sources of energy such as Cold Fusion and the Casamir Force.

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Gabriele Stähler on Vitamin D3, with Bill Ryan : a Project Camelot interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH1rB-Ya2UQ

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This is a bit 'showbizzy' like Ancient Aliens , Alien Hunters or Jess Ventura but
fun..LOL and is a shame it was not commissioned.

SHADOW OPERATIONS : PROJECT CAMELOT TV PILOT 2009

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Published on 31 Mar 2015

This video has gone viral in the last few years. I am posting it here on the Camelot
Channel where it belongs. This was the pilot for our TV series that was never made.

Behind the scenes info on what really happened on the making of our PILOT:
SHADOW OPERATIONS: THE MARS PROJECT...
is available here: http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/...

[Cidersomerset]

Bob Dean e Henry Deacon 6 Disclosure Project em Barcelona

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Uploaded on 29 Dec 2010


Project Camelot was invited to the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit
July 23-26th 2009. During our time there we filmed a Project
Camelot Futuretalk with Henry Deacon, Alfred Webre and Bob Dean.


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Uploaded on 29 Dec 2010

Project Camelot was invited to the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit July 23-26th
2009. During our time there we filmed a Project Camelot Futuretalk with
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[Mandala]

Bill, I seriously wonder if those whistle-blowers who haven't answered met with an accident. If you know what I mean. Why do some get eliminated, while others are ignored?

[Sunny-side-up]

I stumbled on some fascinating details of a Mars witness that no-one has ever heard of. Believe it or not, I'd quite forgotten about it.

Very glad you stumbled on Bill :)

'The Jump-Room' is a great name Bill, in relation to the subject of Mars and secrete space tech it's quite an iconic naming
but
'The Corridor'
as an official name is very intriguing and maybe enlightening as to the experience of using it! Travelling along it Hmm!

Reading your full post now.

[Carmody]

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Yes. A 'Jumproom' was MY name for it (which prompted Henry to nod in agreement at the term, when I came up with it). It was never formally used on the 'inside', though Andy Basiago has adopted the term and often refers to it in his presentations.

Later, Henry stated (to Kerry, myself and also to David Wilcock) that it's actually called 'The Corridor'.


The corridor, as it would be like, in my quick estimation.. a paired set of human sized yellowbooks, (cube) that one steps into, and is, er, moved...to the other location. It is probably disorienting. It could even, in probability (pun intended) move to an alternate universe, IMO, if properly paired for that aspect.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, I seriously wonder if those whistle-blowers who haven't answered met with an accident. If you know what I mean. Why do some get eliminated, while others are ignored?

I think (but do not know) that some were warned never to talk at an earlier stage — before they were contacted by any researcher — and others are contacted at the time, warning them not to respond. I don't think they're 'disappeared', as long as they're obedient, as it were, and stay quiet, as per their Non-Disclosure Agreement.

Regarding why some are killed and others are just warned (and this seems to be the case)... my guess is that the decisions are compartmentalized: i.e. made by different agencies or different project heads. And some are more vindictive (or, maybe, simply more 'old school') than others.

[Sunny-side-up]

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Yes. A 'Jumproom' was MY name for it (which prompted Henry to nod in agreement at the term, when I came up with it). It was never formally used on the 'inside', though Andy Basiago has adopted the term and often refers to it in his presentations.

Later, Henry stated (to Kerry, myself and also to David Wilcock) that it's actually called 'The Corridor'.


The corridor, as it would be like, in my quick estimation.. a paired set of human sized yellowbooks, (cube) that one steps into, and is, er, moved...to the other location. It is probably disorienting. It could even, in probability (pun intended) move to an alternate universe, IMO, if properly paired for that aspect.

Mr eric Dollard ion his vid 'The truth about Electricity' states that the equations of some scientists/mathematicians all the way back in the (Think it was 1930's) looked like, if developed properly could lead to a 'jump Room, jump chair, corridor'.
It was concerning Pulse-Electricity deceives, where by standing under one deceive you simultaneously stood under 2 devices at the same time (2 places at once) Leave the desired device (Destination) on and that is where you would be, totally physically!

[Bill Ryan]

Mr Eric Dollard in his vid 'The truth about Electricity' states that the equations of some scientists/mathematicians all the way back in the (Think it was 1930's) looked like, if developed properly could lead to a 'jump Room, jump chair, corridor'.
It was concerning Pulse-Electricity deceives, where by standing under one deceive you simultaneously stood under 2 devices at the same time (2 places at once) Leave the desired device (Destination) on and that is where you would be, totally physically!

Yes. Ben Rich, the former head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, said shortly before he died:



"We now know how to travel to the stars, and it doesn’t take a lifetime to do it. There was an error in the equations, and we found it.”

[Lifebringer]

Bassagio also stated Barack Obama was also part of jump room program through his maternal Grandfather.

[MalteseKnight]

While I would say that there are grounds for believing that there are three small human bases on Mars, I find it difficult to accept that there is a population of upwards of 600,000. A total Mars base population of say 100 or 200 would be more likely, with 1,000 to 2,000 being the upper limit. The strain of the Earth's economy and resources to maintain such would be enormous, even if one would be utilizing technology left over from previous civilization/s. I think that there is a serious case for an econometric study here. Another point, some anthropologists would argue that human nature being what it is, if a human community goes over a certain population mark say 100, usually factions start to develop. If so, matters would have taken their natural course of action and some factions would have attempted to contact Earth independently of official control.

[Sunny-side-up]

While I would say that there are grounds for believing that there are three small human bases on Mars, I find it difficult to accept that there is a population of upwards of 600,000. A total Mars base population of say 100 or 200 hundred would be more likely, with 1,000 to 2,000 being the upper limit. The strain of the Earth's economy and resources to maintain such would be enormous, even if one would be utilizing technology left over from previous civilization/s. I think that there is a serious case for an econometric study here. Another point, some anthropologists would argue that human nature being what it is, if a human community goes over a certain population mark say 100, usually factions start to develop. If so, matters would have taken their natural course of action and some factions would have attempted to contact Earth independently of official control.

Hi MalteseKnight, you wrote
'the strain of the Earth's economy and resources to maintain such would be enormous, even if one would be utilizing technology left over from previous civilization/s.'

We have absolutely no idea as to the capabilities of any possible Alien tech that could be being used!

[Bill Ryan]

Bassagio also stated Barack Obama was also part of jump room program through his maternal Grandfather.

Yes. I consider this absurd. I referenced that here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material&p=1009083&viewfull=1#post1009083), when discussing The Ruiner's claim that he had trained Vladimir Putin, when The Ruiner (Shane) was aged 13.



While I would say that there are grounds for believing that there are three small human bases on Mars, I find it difficult to accept that there is a population of upwards of 600,000. A total Mars base population of say 100 or 200 would be more likely, with 1,000 to 2,000 being the upper limit.

Yes, it's a huge number! But Henry said that only a proportion of those were Earth-human.

[WhiteLove]

Thanks Bill for this! The story appeared truthful and it's great to have these kinds of puzzle pieces to work with.

One thing that got my attention was how both of these guys had probably done quite extensive work out at S9 for many years at a probably rather high clearance level, yet both of them only knew fractions and could not really put together the bigger picture.

It's quite scary that people at this level, knowing what they know (e.g. that underground bases exist on Mars etc.), still have no clue on what's really going on. This in combination with the lost 2.3 trillion USD tells us that the force that is deceiving the planet runs something incredibly vast and incredibly hidden.

Every day now I am thinking more and more that this group of international elite might be slaves that operate under foreign unearthly control to carry out some kind of dark agenda for some dark race, that there is some kind of spiritual battle playing out where the dark forces represent this military industrial intelligence complex, that is carrying out its missions through deception, secrets, lies, murder, sacrifices and other cruel stuff. There has to be a very dynamite reason for why a force wants to compartmentalize down to this level. And of course this is beyond the control of the governments, I am quite convinced of that. Keeping the government out of awareness is as easy as not to document a clearance level, not to reveal its operations facilities/locations/coordinates, not to reveal who is working on it etc. We have to by default assume someone at some point took that route. That 2.3 trillion USD funneled untracable money could be the best evidence of that - it went into the black world, but nobody has an answer to exactly where it went. And with that amount of money you can do a lot...

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks Bill for this! The story appeared truthful and it's great to have these kinds of puzzle pieces to work with.

One thing that got my attention was how both of these guys had probably done quite extensive work out at S9 for many years at a probably rather high clearance level, yet both of them only knew fractions and could not really put together the bigger picture.



Yes: there's an important point here. No-one knows everything. Their superiors make absolutely sure of that.

That alone discredits Corey Goode's many stories about just about everything one can imagine. No-one would have that clearance, not even MJ-1, the Head of Majestic.

Shane (The Ruiner)'s situation is different, but contains parallels. When Charles initially contacted me and was leveling with me about what he knew, before he was 'taken back' a few months later, he was at pains to stress that he had really only just overheard this and that, and was not even interested personally in some of the information and therefore had not retained it. So his caveat right at the front was that what he could report was not in ANY way complete. He often simply did not know stuff when I asked him.

Whistleblowers have come out of deep silos, where they can see what's around them but not a lot else. I talked personally with a physicist who had worked at Bell Labs on exotic technology. When walking from one room to another, he would have to wear special goggles that blurred his vision apart from a couple of feet around him, enough to not bump into things, and be able to card-swipe and open doors. He walked on painted 'tramway' lines on the floor. (Interestingly, that protocol was later independently confirmed by controversial witness Dan Burisch.)

Moral of the story here? People are NOT meant to see ANYTHING they're not personally involved in... in case they talk later.

[norman]

I'm sceptical about the real anonymity offered by Audio ( and probably video ) disguising. My guess is that some of those people you've offered it to know enough to know that it's not reliable. Plus, as you say, intercepts would quickly put the bad boys on their trail.

I've experimented with re processing disguised voice interviews I've found on Youtube and been quite successful at returning them to approximately normal voices again. I've got no doubt that the governments can easily do this. I'm therefore quite sure a potential whistleblower with the sort of education and experience they'd have, would also not only turn their nose up at using that method, but actually wonder how smart the guy making the offer could really be, to have suggested it in the first place. That's not a great dig at you Bill, most of us ordinary people are slow to catch onto such weaknesses in our plans even though the intended interviewee will spot it in a heart beat.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm sceptical about the real anonymity offered by Audio ( and probably video ) disguising. My guess is that some of those people you've offered it to know enough to know that it's not reliable.

No, audio disguising isn't reliable. A filtered voice can be 'unfiltered' and restored to normal, with a bit of clever wizardry that most good audio engineers would know. (A blurred video could NOT be unblurred, though, after it was rendered and exported.)

Update on the RDW info on post #1: I let Kerry know straight away, and she has just replied:





Hi Bill,

Good catch... I sent Bill Hamilton an email letting him know you want to get in touch.

I do remember the name… didn’t remember the whole details.

Let me know what happens. I would love to interview RDW if you find him.

Best wishes,

Kerry

[MalteseKnight]

My impression is that most of the infrastructure on Mars dates to the Atlantean period, i.e high technology in terms of the manipulation of say the crystalline properties of matter, but not much else. Andrew Basiago in his interviews himself appears to hint towards this state of affairs. There was a different socio-economic cultural base to the society. They based their technology on what they saw in nature around them, and the technology was not well distributed among the population. So basically the Atlanteans were basically a stone age society with only a small shaman-like elite having access to high technology, with pre Vedic Sanskrit being the lingwa franka. Thus, an Atlantean airplane would look very much like a bird. The Atlanteans could put a man on Mars, but couldn't mass produce a teapot, very much like the South American civilizations such as the Maya being unable to adopt the concept of the wheel, despite having exquisite knowledge of astronomy. We seem to forget that modern mass production only started with the British opening a naval biscuit factory. What I suspect is that some really heavy genetic experimentation took place on Mars with say human DNA being fused in with say a slug's DNA to produce a hybrid. This is indicated too by Basiago in his interviews if one follows very carefully. With these weird hybrids still wandering around on the surface, as described by Basiago, it is no wonder that Mars is something of a forbidden planet.

Aleister Crowley used to say that all the secrets of the world are encoded in Lewis Caroll's Alice in Wonderland and he was damn correct. In a certain part of the book a baby is turned into a piglet. Human DNA was inserted into wild boars and piglets were the result. Smile when you eat bacon as you are eating the result of Atlantean technology.:sun:

Andrew Basiago's descriptions of what he found on Mars i.e. the Skull Portals/exit come very eerily close as to what is depicted in the 2002 Time Machine movie projection of the future. This is a way of very discretely providing disclosure in plain sight. Vide the part near the end of the film. Unfortunately, I can only provide the film clip below, one would have to see the original movie in full.

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[WhiteLove]

Thanks Bill for this! The story appeared truthful and it's great to have these kinds of puzzle pieces to work with.

One thing that got my attention was how both of these guys had probably done quite extensive work out at S9 for many years at a probably rather high clearance level, yet both of them only knew fractions and could not really put together the bigger picture.



Yes: there's an important point here. No-one knows everything. Their superiors make absolutely sure of that.

That alone discredits Corey Goode's many stories about just about everything one can imagine. No-one would have that clearance, not even MJ-1, the Head of Majestic.

Shane (The Ruiner)'s situation is different, but contains parallels. When Charles initially contacted me and was leveling with me about what he knew, before he was 'taken back' a few months later, he was at pains to stress that he had really only just overheard this and that, and was not even interested personally in some of the information and therefore had not retained it. So his caveat right at the front was that what he could report was not in ANY way complete. He often simply did not know stuff when I asked him.

Whistleblowers have come out of deep silos, where they can see what's around them but not a lot else. I talked personally with a physicist who had worked at Bell Labs on exotic technology. When walking from one room to another, he would have to wear special goggles that blurred his vision apart from a couple of feet around him, enough to not bump into things, and be able to card-swipe and open doors. He walked on painted 'tramway' lines on the floor. (Interestingly, that protocol was later independently confirmed by controversial witness Dan Burisch.)

Moral of the story here? People are NOT meant to see ANYTHING they're not personally involved in... in case they talk later.

To me this behavior of controlling and limiting the awareness of people being "somewhat" near the truth, indicates that the people behind all of this, take advantage of the skills of the workers and probably lie to the workers about why the workers even do what they do. This elite group lets people live a complete lie to serve their masters, and this elite knows about that being the case, yet protect it and ensures it is kept at the greatest level of secrecy.

[Zampano]

I am wondering how many aces in the sleeve does Bill Ryan have :-)

[Citizen No2]

Does he have any proof, that you know of Bill?


Can I ask, do you have a series of 'litmus test's' that you apply to any potential whistle blower, or is it more a case of cross-referencing what is being relayed against other sources?

Many thanks.



Regards.

[Matt P]

Hi. Excellent discussion. Bill wrote, "No-one knows everything. Their superiors make absolutely sure of that."
Well, if some "superior" is deciding who down the line doesn't know everything, somebody, somewhere does indeed know everything...or a quite a bit more.

Who's deciding who is allowed to know what?

Matt

[Selene]

Yes: there's an important point here. No-one knows everything. Their superiors make absolutely sure of that.

That alone discredits Corey Goode's many stories about just about everything one can imagine. No-one would have that clearance, not even MJ-1, the Head of Majestic.

I don’t think Corey has ever claimed to know “everything”. David Wilcock is certainly enthusiastic about Corey’s range of knowledge, but that’s David’s claim, not Corey’s. As Rumsfeld famously said: There are [still] unknown unknowns.

Much of Corey’s range of broader knowledge is derived, according to Corey himself, from his access to the so-called “smart glass pads”, which were given to him to read as a pre-adolescent to keep his conscious mind occupied while he was on duty as a Intuitive Empath. He has been careful in his testimony to distinguish clearly between his personal experiences, and matters that he read about via this technology.

Remember, as well, that his superiors fully expected to wipe his memory of his entire 20 year service before returning him to his earth-based timeline here. This memory-wipe failed in Corey’s case, as it apparently has with some other Mars 20-and-Back victims.

And remember that these kids were given enhanced memory and learning capacities as part of the Moonshadow program. They could learn a lot quite freely – and needed to - since the future utility of that information within the SSP itself was incalculable. They had to be “stuffed” with knowledge, by any means possible.

So, at the time, they had no reason to restrict his off-world use of the glass pad on future secrecy grounds. And Corey has also said that the neural interface of the pad would automatically limit your information access to your personal neural capacity.

If Corey was anything like me at that age, I can fully appreciate his interest in ancient history and galactic life. If I’d had that pad, I’d have devoured it.

The very existence of these smart glass pads was recently inadvertently confirmed by another putative insider, who referred to them by another name. If that individual’s credentials can be confirmed, he would plausibly be in a position to know of this.

It may seem counterintuitive to give someone a mental distraction when they are expected to focus on something else more sensitive, but it is not. This is entirely plausible, but not many people would understand why. I can, however, personally vouch for this “alpha wave distraction” technique as a benign facilitator of deeper theta and gamma brain waves – the frequencies that enhance psychic sensitivity in a trained observer. When astrologers focus on the image of someone’s chart, or clairvoyants on the interior of a crystal, they are using the same principle to draw on wider fractal information.

So: Corey clearly knows a lot that “they” didn’t expect him to remember. But that certainly doesn’t mean he knows everything.

Regards,

Selene

[Carmody]

Bassagio also stated Barack Obama was also part of jump room program through his maternal Grandfather.

Yes. I consider this absurd. I referenced that here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material&p=1009083&viewfull=1#post1009083), when discussing The Ruiner's claim that he had trained Vladimir Putin, when The Ruiner (Shane) was aged 13.



While I would say that there are grounds for believing that there are three small human bases on Mars, I find it difficult to accept that there is a population of upwards of 600,000. A total Mars base population of say 100 or 200 would be more likely, with 1,000 to 2,000 being the upper limit.

Yes, it's a huge number! But Henry said that only a proportion of those were Earth-human.

Unlimited energy brings about the aspect or potential for unlimited expansion.

recall the recent line about finding open water on Mars, this means underground aquifers would also be near 100% likely. This means aquifers the size of Kansas. Literally.

Unlimited energies and proper resource access, does tend to add up to fairly large populations being emergent in a few short decades.

[Sunny-side-up]

This comes from thoughts from you post Bill and Cidersomerset s vid and the Jumproom topic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwJmIRF7ZE

Please try to read all the below text, both on the
Magnetics/Bases and
Time Travel/Space programme subjects

So Just some thoughts:

Magnetics/Bases.
Human beings are attuned to Earth's magnetic field strength
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field
, so living on other heavenly bodies such as the Moon, Mars ect with far less Mag strength would cause problems!
So if bases exist it would be beneficial to be in areas of the most Mag strengths!

Reports of Moons BASES are said to be on the far side! and much interest in the Tycho (crater) in the lower south!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_(crater)
an area of the Moon saide to have a higher mag strength.

Mars' current magnetic field is very weak, with strengths of at most about 1500 nanotesla. Earth's, by comparison, varies up to around 65000 nanotesla, or more than 40 times stronger than Mars'.

Mars BASES should then be in the South where there is a Mag field strength, and very little in the North!
Mars magnetic field is stronger in the Southern hemisphere, but overall has very little in the way of a detectable magnetic field!
Why is only half of Mars magnetized?
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2008/1710.html?referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/

Of cause though, if there was technology to compensate it wouldn't matter!!


Time-Travel/Secrete-Space-Programme

The-Jumproom, The-Corridor, Teleportation!
It's of my understanding that Time past, time present and Time future are all one and the same.
So is it 'Space' that is the import, meaningful factor?

I'm of the understanding that the Jumproom works like this:
2 switched on devices in different places, stand under one and you are under the other at the same time! then turn off the one where you don't won't to be and you are at the other which is still switched on. You are in both places at the same time, so it's not time travel related, it's SPACE/Position related!

All matter is one Atom which is everywhere at the same time (no time)

In the above mention vid there was a part talking about Time-Travel, in that item Arthur C Clark was then said to say something like 'Yes we do have a secrete space programme'
He didn't say 'Secrete Time Travel programme' !

So if I heard it right it got me thinking:
The word 'SPACE 'in 'Secrete-Space-Programme' could literally mean space as in Coordinates/Position and not space as in Outer-Space where other planets and stars are!

'Jumprooms' could now be 'Jumpships' etc, they would certainly be faster than light ha!

[Carmody]

anti-gravity is inherently gravity negating which is inherently time negating (separating/shifting), which is inherently dimensional-dislocational.

As is all over-unity science, at the atomic level.

same-same, all of them.

[Shannon]

Yes: there's an important point here. No-one knows everything. Their superiors make absolutely sure of that.

That alone discredits Corey Goode's many stories about just about everything one can imagine. No-one would have that clearance, not even MJ-1, the Head of Majestic.

I don’t think Corey has ever claimed to know “everything”. David Wilcock is certainly enthusiastic about Corey’s range of knowledge, but that’s David’s claim, not Corey’s. As Rumsfeld famously said: There are [still] unknown unknowns.

Much of Corey’s range of broader knowledge is derived, according to Corey himself, from his access to the so-called “smart glass pads”, which were given to him to read as a pre-adolescent to keep his conscious mind occupied while he was on duty as a Intuitive Empath. He has been careful in his testimony to distinguish clearly between his personal experiences, and matters that he read about via this technology.

Remember, as well, that his superiors fully expected to wipe his memory of his entire 20 year service before returning him to his earth-based timeline here. This memory-wipe failed in Corey’s case, as it apparently has with some other Mars 20-and-Back victims.

And remember that these kids were given enhanced memory and learning capacities as part of the Moonshadow program. They could learn a lot quite freely – and needed to - since the future utility of that information within the SSP itself was incalculable. They had to be “stuffed” with knowledge, by any means possible.

So, at the time, they had no reason to restrict his off-world use of the glass pad on future secrecy grounds. And Corey has also said that the neural interface of the pad would automatically limit your information access to your personal neural capacity.

If Corey was anything like me at that age, I can fully appreciate his interest in ancient history and galactic life. If I’d had that pad, I’d have devoured it.

The very existence of these smart glass pads was recently inadvertently confirmed by another putative insider, who referred to them by another name. If that individual’s credentials can be confirmed, he would plausibly be in a position to know of this.

It may seem counterintuitive to give someone a mental distraction when they are expected to focus on something else more sensitive, but it is not. This is entirely plausible, but not many people would understand why. I can, however, personally vouch for this “alpha wave distraction” technique as a benign facilitator of deeper theta and gamma brain waves – the frequencies that enhance psychic sensitivity in a trained observer. When astrologers focus on the image of someone’s chart, or clairvoyants on the interior of a crystal, they are using the same principle to draw on wider fractal information.

So: Corey clearly knows a lot that “they” didn’t expect him to remember. But that certainly doesn’t mean he knows everything.

Regards,

Selene

Maybe this is a stupid question, but here it goes...

If Corey was so valuable with enhanced memory and mind ability why use him for 20 years then toss him back down to this planet, to live in Texas and be in need of web donations to survive?

Wouldn't he be more useful still working for them? I can't see them just wasting an investment.

[Selene]

If Corey was so valuable with enhanced memory and mind ability why use him for 20 years then toss him back down to this planet, to live in Texas and be in need of web donations to survive?

Wouldn't he be more useful still working for them? I can't see them just wasting an investment.

Good question. I think the simple answer is just this: That was the program, 20-and-out. That seems to have been the limits of their technology/bureaucracy. Twenty years and we dump you, kiddo.

That doesn't eliminate the possibility that they might control people for longer, but if they were looking at their "data", their "spreadsheet", they might have chosen 20 years as their two-or-three-sigma % probability of success. That is, 99.99% of all subjects would fall within their 20 year spectrum. The few "outliers" could be - in their view - ummm, "eliminated" or "dealt with..." if you gather my meaning.

Corey Goode seems to have gone into four sigmas of outlier here: the survivor. And the "Oh Sp*t!" if you want cockroach-like extermination. No controller expected him to speak sanely. Except that he has. He is a rarity; damaged but still alive. And the Avians - if so -have capitalized on this.

NB: Another reasonably credible whistleblower has recently commented that the wider SSP/Secret Government has "known about the Blue Avians since at least 1950...." So there ya go.....! Another incoming vector of possible support.

I'm just looking at the data here. The stats.

The evidence is at least equivocal. I'm still listening.

Cheers,

Selene

[alexius]

Thanks Bill for this! The story appeared truthful and it's great to have these kinds of puzzle pieces to work with.

One thing that got my attention was how both of these guys had probably done quite extensive work out at S9 for many years at a probably rather high clearance level, yet both of them only knew fractions and could not really put together the bigger picture.



Yes: there's an important point here. No-one knows everything. Their superiors make absolutely sure of that.

That alone discredits Corey Goode's many stories about just about everything one can imagine. No-one would have that clearance, not even MJ-1, the Head of Majestic.

Shane (The Ruiner)'s situation is different, but contains parallels. When Charles initially contacted me and was leveling with me about what he knew, before he was 'taken back' a few months later, he was at pains to stress that he had really only just overheard this and that, and was not even interested personally in some of the information and therefore had not retained it. So his caveat right at the front was that what he could report was not in ANY way complete. He often simply did not know stuff when I asked him.

Whistleblowers have come out of deep silos, where they can see what's around them but not a lot else. I talked personally with a physicist who had worked at Bell Labs on exotic technology. When walking from one room to another, he would have to wear special goggles that blurred his vision apart from a couple of feet around him, enough to not bump into things, and be able to card-swipe and open doors. He walked on painted 'tramway' lines on the floor. (Interestingly, that protocol was later independently confirmed by controversial witness Dan Burisch.)

Moral of the story here? People are NOT meant to see ANYTHING they're not personally involved in... in case they talk later.

To me this behavior of controlling and limiting the awareness of people being "somewhat" near the truth, indicates that the people behind all of this, take advantage of the skills of the workers and probably lie to the workers about why the workers even do what they do. This elite group lets people live a complete lie to serve their masters, and this elite knows about that being the case, yet protect it and ensures it is kept at the greatest level of secrecy.

The concept of: "A need to know basis" - May be serving it's purpose. Bloody brilliant structure to keep the information that comes out unclear and vague.

Keep ut the good work swede. Always lovely to stand beside fellow countrymen for the truth. / J-nas från norra Sverige.

[Maknocktomb]

You also have to consider alternative universes where the large population is residing not in our time or universe. A Mars that is more earth like.

[alexius]

You also have to consider alternative universes where the large population is residing not in our time or universe. A Mars that is more earth like.

Very interesting! Thank you for reminding me of that possibility.

[kerbie]

Hi Bill, without going into too much info, his initials weren't S.L were they?


.
There's another story I should tell (and a contact I should try to pick up again). One time in 2007/2008 (I would need to look it up, but I have it all archived) Kerry and I both had flu, and were also on the road. It was a tough few weeks.

After that hectic period was all over, I was searching for something in my e-mails, and saw to my horror that there was an e-mail I'd missed.

It was from someone who was ASKING to be interviewed, who had been recommended for the Nobel Prize in Physics, had worked with Majestic on antigravity, and knew all about the Moon Bases. He said that Project Horizon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Horizon) was fully operational.

I wrote back to him immediately, but he, too, never replied, We'd missed him. He'd been willing to go on video. :facepalm:

My guess was that his e-mail to us had been intercepted and he'd been ordered not to talk. One has to act fast.

These people do exist, and the programs do exist. But they are NOT allowed to talk.

[ThePythonicCow]

Maybe this is a stupid question, but here it goes...

If Corey was so valuable with enhanced memory and mind ability why use him for 20 years then toss him back down to this planet, to live in Texas and be in need of web donations to survive?

Wouldn't he be more useful still working for them? I can't see them just wasting an investment.
Older people are riskier to work with - less reliably malleable to fit in, conform with, project limitations. Some of them start noticing to much, making connections with prior experiences that put the mission at risk.

For similar reasons, only the most desperate governments recruit older men as infantry soldiers. Ages about 18 to 25, when the full strength of body is not yet matched by a breadth of experience and awareness, are easier and more reliably trained for hand to hand combat.

[Helvetic]

'Trips to Mars' - William Hamilton - June 1998

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Some interesting readings here: R.M. Decker | 35 minutes to Mars (https://books.google.ch/books?id=oHHLOU7izG8C&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=Bill+Hamilton+mars&source=bl&ots=pAStO9Vtsr&sig=WFsLzjq8P1XB2YJ9yCihueqN3eg&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCGoVChMIpaKcxs_ByAIVwjIaCh1naATC#v=onepage&q=Bill%20Hamilton%20mars&f=false)

And finally, if you talk about Mars please do not forget Phobos, hint.

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[Shannon]

Maybe this is a stupid question, but here it goes...

If Corey was so valuable with enhanced memory and mind ability why use him for 20 years then toss him back down to this planet, to live in Texas and be in need of web donations to survive?

Wouldn't he be more useful still working for them? I can't see them just wasting an investment.
Older people are riskier to work with - less reliably malleable to fit in, conform with, project limitations. Some of them start noticing to much, making connections with prior experiences that put the mission at risk.

For similar reasons, only the most desperate governments recruit older men as infantry soldiers. Ages about 18 to 25, when the full strength of body is not yet matched by a breadth of experience and awareness, are easier and more reliably trained for hand to hand combat.

Right, but at even 30, that isn't old. He was taken I'm assuming as a child and then sent to Mars for 20 years...:Did work for this shadow gov and now is living like a shmoe? Meh. Idk, doesn't work out in my head.

[Sierra]

Maybe this is a stupid question, but here it goes...

If Corey was so valuable with enhanced memory and mind ability why use him for 20 years then toss him back down to this planet, to live in Texas and be in need of web donations to survive?

Wouldn't he be more useful still working for them? I can't see them just wasting an investment.
Older people are riskier to work with - less reliably malleable to fit in, conform with, project limitations. Some of them start noticing to much, making connections with prior experiences that put the mission at risk.

For similar reasons, only the most desperate governments recruit older men as infantry soldiers. Ages about 18 to 25, when the full strength of body is not yet matched by a breadth of experience and awareness, are easier and more reliably trained for hand to hand combat.

Right, but at even 30, that isn't old. He was taken I'm assuming as a child and then sent to Mars for 20 years...:Did work for this shadow gov and now is living like a shmoe? Meh. Idk, doesn't work out in my head.

Yeah... The world would look pretty funny if all the 20 year returnees started selling mugs, aprons and key chains...

[Mike Gorman]

Kerry and I both had flu, and were also on the road. It was a tough few weeks.


I can remember Henry Deacon saying he used vit, D3 as he did not go outside
a great deal and it helped prevent colds and flew. I do take them from time
to time and will do more during the winter months.

Yes Cider, vitamin D3 is crucial for the immune system - among lots of other things they don't generally talk about, it's usually just the calcium/bone stuff - about 5 years ago I discovered I had a deficiency of D3 and my doctor put me on large doses for 6 months - well my strength returned (I'm quite a big bloke 6.0 and 14 stone. 'stocky' as they used to say) and I felt literally like a new man! So yes take at least 5,000 IU's per day if you feel you are low-you can safely take up to 10,000 IU's per day they revised it up recently. I have not had a cold or flu since gaining my levels back (honest).

[Sunny-side-up]

Maybe this is a stupid question, but here it goes...

If Corey was so valuable with enhanced memory and mind ability why use him for 20 years then toss him back down to this planet, to live in Texas and be in need of web donations to survive?

Wouldn't he be more useful still working for them? I can't see them just wasting an investment.
Older people are riskier to work with - less reliably malleable to fit in, conform with, project limitations. Some of them start noticing to much, making connections with prior experiences that put the mission at risk.

For similar reasons, only the most desperate governments recruit older men as infantry soldiers. Ages about 18 to 25, when the full strength of body is not yet matched by a breadth of experience and awareness, are easier and more reliably trained for hand to hand combat.

Right, but at even 30, that isn't old. He was taken I'm assuming as a child and then sent to Mars for 20 years...:Did work for this shadow gov and now is living like a shmoe? Meh. Idk, doesn't work out in my head.

I think it might have a lot to do with age.
Years 15 to 25 are wonder years for human powers, Magic etc.!
After about 25 (Well 18) you are solidifying into this lower dimension and in effect dying 0.o

So for someone to have the desired power/connection/abilities you become dried out and so tossed out Doh!

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill, without going into too much info, his initials weren't S.L were they?


.
There's another story I should tell (and a contact I should try to pick up again). One time in 2007/2008 (I would need to look it up, but I have it all archived) Kerry and I both had flu, and were also on the road. It was a tough few weeks.

After that hectic period was all over, I was searching for something in my e-mails, and saw to my horror that there was an e-mail I'd missed.

It was from someone who was ASKING to be interviewed, who had been recommended for the Nobel Prize in Physics, had worked with Majestic on antigravity, and knew all about the Moon Bases. He said that Project Horizon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Horizon) was fully operational.

I wrote back to him immediately, but he, too, never replied, We'd missed him. He'd been willing to go on video. :facepalm:

My guess was that his e-mail to us had been intercepted and he'd been ordered not to talk. One has to act fast.

These people do exist, and the programs do exist. But they are NOT allowed to talk.


Hi, kerbie — No, not 'SL'.

[Sunny-side-up]

Right, but at even 30, that isn't old. He was taken I'm assuming as a child and then sent to Mars for 20 years...:Did work for this shadow gov and now is living like a shmoe? Meh. Idk, doesn't work out in my head.

Yeah... The world would look pretty funny if all the 20 year returnees started selling mugs, aprons and key chains...

That would be disclosure though :)

[Bill Ryan]

Remember, as well, that his superiors fully expected to wipe his memory of his entire 20 year service before returning him to his earth-based timeline here. This memory-wipe failed in Corey’s case, as it apparently has with some other Mars 20-and-Back victims.

Two important points here.

1)

Corey did NOT know about the age-regression thing when Christine recorded him at his home (twice) on 26 Sept and 3 Oct 2014. I have all the raw audio from the dictaphone, and edited it carefully myself. This was NEVER ONCE mentioned.

So... that means the memory (if real) was retrieved/recovered AFTER that time.

How?

Corey has never said he's been regressed, or ever consulted a qualified therapist.

What you said about the memory-wipe having 'failed' is evidently not the case. If this 'wipe' really happened, it clearly worked fine... but then he somehow got the memory back. This problem with his testimony is never addressed.

2)

The 20-year age regression thing first surfaced from Michael Relfe, who was processed, in depth and detail, by his wife, Stephanie. The sessions are all transcribed and published (in the year 2000, 15 years ago) in two books, free to download from http://themarsrecords.com.

Michael's sincere disbelief and bewilderment at what was gradually surfacing is there on almost every page, as they gradually put the puzzle together. It's almost impossible to believe, but the sessions are all documented. That's WHY they were published in detail.

Where are Corey's sessions? They don't seem to exist — and if they do, they've never once been mentioned, even in passing. Even 'regular' abductees have published regression sessions on audio to document their story. It's normal research protocol. You (@ Selene) know this absolutely.

Occam's Razor: Corey plagiarized (copied) the story from Michael Relfe. It seems really pretty clear. But a lot of people, 15 years later, don't know about Relfe, and his wife's book.

$500 here, on record before witnesses, says that Corey will NEVER be regressed by a competent therapist and have the sessions published to validate his story.

[Shadowself]

Wow...took me only a few minutes to find this 20 year memory regression thing from the link provided by Bill. In an interview non the less....

Interview With Michael and Stephanie Relfe
of the Mars Records

By Eve Lorgen


EL: One has to wonder then, what could or would have happened if your future Michael who was working on Mars, somehow came into contact with the present day Michael (on earth) before 1996?

MR: This would NEVER be allowed to happen. The program works the way it does because NO ONE on duty (who will eventually be times hot back to their origin) is permitted to interact with any time event (or person) of earth while stationed on Mars Base. That means that visitors and VIP’s are OFF limits. Anyone visiting for a short period is “spending time” on Mars and will NOT be time shot back to their origin. They will just be moved by jumpgate to and from Mars.

To clarify: Remember there are 2 kinds of people that I remember.

1. People visiting Mars temporarily (Politicians, etc.) They travel to and from Mars by jumpgate. They visit for a few weeks and return. They are not time traveled back. They are VIP’s. They are OFF LIMITS!!

2. Permanent staff, They spend 20 years duty cycle. At the end of their duty cycle they are age reversed and time shot back to their space-time origin point. They are sent back with memories blocked. They are sent back to complete their destiny on earth.

From this interview on that website:

http://www.themarsrecords.com/wp/the-mars-records/interview-michael-stephanie-relfe-mars-records/

Edit to add; Actually it's mentioned two time in this interview:


EL: One of the most unbelievable aspects of your story is the age regression and time travel you experienced. What was this like?

MR: The age regression was pure boredom. Being kept in a dreamlike, semi-conscious state for weeks was very boring. That’s the only memory I have been able to recall. The 20-year time jump back to 1976 was over before it began. Walking through the tunnel was uneventful.

[Selene]

Remember, as well, that his superiors fully expected to wipe his memory of his entire 20 year service before returning him to his earth-based timeline here. This memory-wipe failed in Corey’s case, as it apparently has with some other Mars 20-and-Back victims.

Two important points here.

1)

Corey did NOT know about the age-regression thing when Christine recorded him at his home (twice) on 26 Sept and 3 Oct 2014. I have all the raw audio from the dictaphone, and edited it carefully myself. This was NEVER ONCE mentioned.

So... that means the memory (if real) was retrieved/recovered AFTER that time.

How?

Corey has never said he's been regressed, or ever consulted a qualified therapist.

What you said about the memory-wipe having 'failed' is evidently not the case. If this 'wipe' really happened, it clearly worked fine... but then he somehow got the memory back. This problem with his testimony is never addressed.

2)

The 20-year age regression thing first surfaced from Michael Relfe, who was processed, in depth and detail, by his wife, Stephanie. The sessions are all transcribed and published (in the year 2000, 15 years ago) in two books, free to download from http://themarsrecords.com.

Michael's sincere disbelief and bewilderment at what was gradually surfacing is there on almost every page, as they gradually put the puzzle together. It's almost impossible to believe, but the sessions are all documented. That's WHY they were published in detail.

Where are Corey's sessions? They don't seem to exist — and if they do, they've never once been mentioned, even in passing. Even 'regular' abductees have published regression sessions on audio to document their story. It's normal research protocol. You (@ Selene) know this absolutely.

Occam's Razor: Corey plagiarized (copied) the story from Michael Relfe. It seems really pretty clear. But a lot of people, 15 years later, don't know about Relfe, and his wife's book.

$500 here, on record before witnesses, says that Corey will NEVER be regressed by a competent therapist and have the sessions published to validate his story.

Bill, we may be confusing the discussion here with the word: regressed. And using it here in two definitions.

Definition one (mine): The 20-and-back “timeline regression” used in the Mars SSP programs. I meant here that Corey was “regressed” from Mars service in the same manner as Relfe – i.e. returned after 20 years on another timeline to a few moments after he had departed this earth-based one. This definition may be awkward in the context here.

Definition two (yours): Hypnotic regression conducted by a therapist, used to recall repressed memories, which will have a data trail of the sometimes halting, traumatic and confused memory recovery. These regression sessions were the topic of Stephanie Relfe’s book.

The significant difference here is that Corey has never claimed to have “recovered” lost memories. He has always maintained that he has refused to discuss – until recently - memories he fully retained all along.

You may recall that in December 2014 when, as a mod, I drafted the mods’ statement on Corey’s departure from Avalon and I inadvertently said he had gone through a therapeutic process of memory recovery with Christine and other therapists. Corey immediately objected to that part of the statement, said he had never needed therapy to remember his experiences with the SSP, and I promptly apologized to him personally and took full responsibility for the error. I think I can find that correspondence somewhere, approximately Dec 17-19, to PM you if you cannot locate it in your files.

So you are correct: He has never undergone “regression therapy”.

What Corey has said about his memories is that (I am paraphrasing here) the SSP memory-wipe process that accompanies the 20-and-back timeline-regression process “fails in 3-5%” of the cases. They have determined that these failures are clustered in the Intuitive Empath types, Corey’s category. This is because, he says, they have discovered that our memories are not stored in the mind/brain itself, but in a kind of ‘cloud storage’ of the larger self or soul. And IE types – who may also have unaided past-life recall – have persistent access to their larger self.

That was their problem with the memory-wipe process: they still can’t go beyond the mind/brain into the soul. They can try to ‘cover’ memories with implanted information, but – by all other accounts – those mind/brain overlays can be removed or will eventually disintegrate on their own. That was Michael Relfe’s process of recovery, and is also echoed by other survivors.

So I suppose the $500 bucks must remain unclaimed for now. But gosh, I’d love to meet you for a long dinner’s conversation next time I’m in Ecuador….

Affectionately,

:sun:

Selene

[ThePythonicCow]

Meh. Idk, doesn't work out in my head.
That's OK ... doesn't work out in my head either, though mostly for a different reason.

The idea that someone could be sent on a complex 20 year mission, and then returned, as if nothing had happened and as if no time had elapsed, memory (almost) wiped, right back where they started, in the youthful state in which they started, seems impossible to me.

[MorningFox]

seems impossible to me.

_______________________

[MalteseKnight]

Mind control on an individual would tend to come apart at body age 30. This could be due to changing hormones.

[Bill Ryan]

Mind control on an individual would tend to come apart at body age 30. This could be due to changing hormones.

Yes. Corey will be 46 in a few months' time.

[Atlas]

Lots of details of UFO connected events in the 60's not recorded anywhere else are related in "The pawn of his Creator", by Henry Dohan, including how Henry got his teeth fixed by a Tijuana dentist who lived next door to the man who went on the 1955 Argentinean trip to Mars, financed by the Vatican..

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/trip2mars.jpg


I wish to thank Mr. Narciso Genovese, an Italian writer now living in Mexico, who was taken to the Moon and later to the planet Mars. He wrote his own book about these experiences and also assisted me in writing this one.
http://booklikes.com/photo/max/220/330/upload/books/7/7/777d03329227c15d94d8a61b84eb8422.jpg

Source: http://www.scribd.com/doc/12470080/The-Pawn-of-His-Creator

[Atlas]

I translated a book called "yo he estado en marte" from spanish to english to "I was on Mars" from author Narciso Genovese for his gran daughter Elizabeth Elizalde. The rights to publish the book are still being disputed by some members of the Marconi group, and family members. so I believe to date it has not been published legally in the United States. (source (https://www.freelancer.com.au/u/Fernando999.html))
https://sites.google.com/site/bibliotecaforteana/_/rsrc/1254766830178/home/libros-usados-04/image028.jpg

Initially by "confidences" to the Press then in his book "I was on Mars" published in Mexico in 1958, Narciso Genovese (1908-1982) tells that the disciples of "Guillermo Marconi, the inventor of the radio" - actually Guglielmo Marconi - after the death of their Master in 1938 - actually 1937 - decided to pursue his studies and projects on the use of solar or cosmic energy, but in the secrecy of a hideout in the jungle of the Andes so that the evil ones cannot make use of their discoveries for war. They are 98 Very Wise erudite from six European nations and form an isolated and ignored society, devoted "to domesticate the electric forces of peaceful and universal space", all for the sake of mankind's good and with an aim of sharing their fantastic discoveries with humanity "little by little and at the appropriate time."

In one of the book's chapters, these Scientists realize that spaceships from another planet monitor the Earth; they organize a landing strip and light signals, and soon, on December 6, 1955, at 05:00 p.m., the extraterrestrials from the planet Mars land and meet the Scientists.

They help the Scientists to perfect their own "cosmic ships" using "solar energy", for rockets and the atom are respectively obsolete and dangerous technologies, and soon 9 of the Scientists embark in three Earth's cosmic ships bound for Mars. As an homage to Christopher Columbus, the three ships are baptized with Martian names: "Loga", "Dige" and "Cundi", in English: "Mars", "Earth" and "Alliance", a portrait of Jesus Christ duly decorating the crews' rooms.

The "Columbus Expedition", escorted of six Martian spaceships, makes a stop on the Moon, just to confirm that it is "undoubtedly an already Dead World", then, joined by 10 more Martian spaceships, it reaches the airport of the capital of Mars, Tanio, under the cheers of welcome of the Martian crowd. Narciso Genovese is of course one of the crew, as Grand Physicist, apparently less sworn to secrecy than its 97 colleagues in Advanced Science.

Source: http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/ce3/1955-12-06-peru-andes.htm

[Hervé]

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The significant difference here is that Corey has never claimed to have “recovered” lost memories. He has always maintained that he has refused to discuss – until recently - memories he fully retained all along.

[...]

... which shows that Corey has a very real memory problem: either it's very short or else it simply shorts:



[...]

I come from a long line of Military Intel family, I have been told by Mil and Civ people that I am a MILAB, but I do not quite buy it... no memories of that stuff... wife says I act out battle scenarios and shout out orders in my sleep but I was an Intel/Communications guy... so I chalk that up to watching to many movies and listening to tooo many war stories.

At the time of writing the above quoted post (10th May 2012), it seems said memories that were there "all along" weren't there at a conscious level since he wouldn't "buy it" which is even ways away from "refusing to discuss it."

Either way, there is a lie!


PS: That Corey quoted post, BTW, is just immediately following one mentioning the Relfe's story.

[Sunny-side-up]

I translated a book called "yo he estado en marte" from spanish to english to "I was on Mars" from author Narciso Genovese for his gran daughter Elizabeth Elizalde. The rights to publish the book are still being disputed by some members of the Marconi group, and family members. so I believe to date it has not been published legally in the United States. (source (https://www.freelancer.com.au/u/Fernando999.html))
https://sites.google.com/site/bibliotecaforteana/_/rsrc/1254766830178/home/libros-usados-04/image028.jpg

Initially by "confidences" to the Press then in his book "I was on Mars" published in Mexico in 1958, Narciso Genovese (1908-1982) tells that the disciples of "Guillermo Marconi, the inventor of the radio" - actually Guglielmo Marconi - after the death of their Master in 1938 - actually 1937 - decided to pursue his studies and projects on the use of solar or cosmic energy, but in the secrecy of a hideout in the jungle of the Andes so that the evil ones cannot make use of their discoveries for war. They are 98 Very Wise erudite from six European nations and form an isolated and ignored society, devoted "to domesticate the electric forces of peaceful and universal space", all for the sake of mankind's good and with an aim of sharing their fantastic discoveries with humanity "little by little and at the appropriate time."

In one of the book's chapters, these Scientists realize that spaceships from another planet monitor the Earth; they organize a landing strip and light signals, and soon, on December 6, 1955, at 05:00 p.m., the extraterrestrials from the planet Mars land and meet the Scientists.

They help the Scientists to perfect their own "cosmic ships" using "solar energy", for rockets and the atom are respectively obsolete and dangerous technologies, and soon 9 of the Scientists embark in three Earth's cosmic ships bound for Mars. As an homage to Christopher Columbus, the three ships are baptized with Martian names: "Loga", "Dige" and "Cundi", in English: "Mars", "Earth" and "Alliance", a portrait of Jesus Christ duly decorating the crews' rooms.

The "Columbus Expedition", escorted of six Martian spaceships, makes a stop on the Moon, just to confirm that it is "undoubtedly an already Dead World", then, joined by 10 more Martian spaceships, it reaches the airport of the capital of Mars, Tanio, under the cheers of welcome of the Martian crowd. Narciso Genovese is of course one of the crew, as Grand Physicist, apparently less sworn to secrecy than its 97 colleagues in Advanced Science.

Source: http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/ce3/1955-12-06-peru-andes.htm

Hi Atlas, thank you for that post :)

You know there was a UFO wave that lasted the whole of 1954 in and around France/Euroupe.

Cylinder mother ships with balls and saucers leaving them and being seen returning+ many other interesting sightings and even strange beings!

So they ended up in the jungle of the Andes before going home with guests!

[Selene]

Either way, there is a lie!

But the critical – and more difficult - question is: Was the lie deliberate, systematic and premeditated, or was it simply the result of a confused mind protecting itself?

We seem to be happy to give that gentle allowance to The Ruiner, but not to Corey: Why?

Why - and on what evidence – is Shane being given a pass for deliberate lying here but Corey is hung out to dry as a ‘pathological liar’? I don’t get it. I really, truly don’t.

Moreover, and I will say this now: Why is Shane’s Best and Most Popular Defense: “He was always so polite and nice to me…” ?

Huh?

This is the Famous Last Words of every little old lady who has ever been scammed out of her life savings by a psychopathic crook: “But he was so nice… seemed like such a nice young man… so polite… so helpful…” Until he emptied your bank account and stole your life. Bernie Madoff was ‘nice’. So was the original Mr. Ponzi.

Sheesh. Nice. Yeah.

I will refrain from commenting further. Such a “nice, polite person…”. Really.

It’s not a really good defense of anyone’s hopes or illusions.

Shane has told you he was “trained by the Illuminati…” etc. Either you take that seriously: i.e. He has few scruples as a predator or He is a lying SOB from Day One. Your choice, and pardon my strong language here.

Cheers,

Selene

[Sierra]

Right, but at even 30, that isn't old. He was taken I'm assuming as a child and then sent to Mars for 20 years...:Did work for this shadow gov and now is living like a shmoe? Meh. Idk, doesn't work out in my head.

Yeah... The world would look pretty funny if all the 20 year returnees started selling mugs, aprons and key chains...

That would be disclosure though :)

That would mean we already have disclosure because of Corey's mugs, and I can't quite see it, lol.

How's about mass advertising put out by DW that the purchase of the millionth mug, wins you an all expenses paid trip on a Blue Avian sphere to Mars, to be videoed, and played on Gaiam TV?

Better make that the 100th mug or it will never happen... :Angel:

[Zampano]

Initially by "confidences" to the Press then in his book "I was on Mars" published in Mexico in 1958, Narciso Genovese (1908-1982) tells that the disciples of "Guillermo Marconi, the inventor of the radio" - actually Guglielmo Marconi - after the death of their Master in 1938 - actually 1937 - decided to pursue his studies and projects on the use of solar or cosmic energy, but in the secrecy of a hideout in the jungle of the Andes so that the evil ones cannot make use of their discoveries for war. They are 98 Very Wise erudite from six European nations and form an isolated and ignored society, devoted "to domesticate the electric forces of peaceful and universal space", all for the sake of mankind's good and with an aim of sharing their fantastic discoveries with humanity "little by little and at the appropriate time."

In one of the book's chapters, these Scientists realize that spaceships from another planet monitor the Earth; they organize a landing strip and light signals, and soon, on December 6, 1955, at 05:00 p.m., the extraterrestrials from the planet Mars land and meet the Scientists.

They help the Scientists to perfect their own "cosmic ships" using "solar energy", for rockets and the atom are respectively obsolete and dangerous technologies, and soon 9 of the Scientists embark in three Earth's cosmic ships bound for Mars. As an homage to Christopher Columbus, the three ships are baptized with Martian names: "Loga", "Dige" and "Cundi", in English: "Mars", "Earth" and "Alliance", a portrait of Jesus Christ duly decorating the crews' rooms.

The "Columbus Expedition", escorted of six Martian spaceships, makes a stop on the Moon, just to confirm that it is "undoubtedly an already Dead World", then, joined by 10 more Martian spaceships, it reaches the airport of the capital of Mars, Tanio, under the cheers of welcome of the Martian crowd. Narciso Genovese is of course one of the crew, as Grand Physicist, apparently less sworn to secrecy than its 97 colleagues in Advanced Science.

Source: http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/ce3...peru-andes.htm

I read the article/source you added to your post and there is one significant phrase I would like to share.

One does not need more cosmic rockets; the contact with the Martians is already made. What is now necessary to obtain to share the cosmic travels is the DISSOLUTION OF THE SELF.

As long as the SELF exists, there will be no PEACE; and as long as there is no PEACE, space flights are impossible. At the precise time we live in, we do not need COSMIC ROCKETS, but the study of EGO and its TOTAL DESTRUCTION; thus and only thus, the TRAVEL to MARS will be possible.

Here we go...which is bringing us back to spirituality and the discovery of the true SELF.
The realisation that you are one with everything that is, you wouldnt want to hurt anybody in any ways.
To me, it seems like its the lesson to learn on planet Earth.

[Bill Ryan]

Why - and on what evidence – is Shane being given a pass for deliberate lying here but Corey is hung out to dry as a ‘pathological liar’? I don’t get it. I really, truly don’t.

Moreover, and I will say this now: Why is Shane’s Best and Most Popular Defense: “He was always so polite and nice to me…” ?



The two personalities are very different: chalk and cheese. Shane is hardly being 'given a pass', but after being given the benefit of the doubt for a long time, during which time he's thus far conducted himself impeccably, he's being treated with courtesy by most people here, and I appreciate that.

One can show that someone's story is deeply flawed, or even fictional, but one doesn't have to hit them on the nose. (I've not hit Andy Basiago on the nose, either, nor will I do so. :) )

Shane has not at any stage actively tried to smear anyone, lie about anyone, gather information about anyone to try to tarnish their reputation, plant false stories about anyone, or write articles attacking the Avalon Forum and what it stands for.

Nor has Shane ever tried to profit financially from all this. (Fabricating claims and at the same time asking for money is a form of theft.)

Inventing a story is one thing, but active malevolence is quite another. The difference may matter to many people.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I talked personally with a physicist who had worked at Bell Labs on exotic technology. When walking from one room to another, he would have to wear special goggles that blurred his vision apart from a couple of feet around him, enough to not bump into things, and be able to card-swipe and open doors. He walked on painted 'tramway' lines on the floor. (Interestingly, that protocol was later independently confirmed by controversial witness Dan Burisch.)

Moral of the story here? People are NOT meant to see ANYTHING they're not personally involved in... in case they talk later.

I believe that too, compartmentalization is the ticket.

But this brings up other questions, such as those surrounding Bob Lazar. What are your thoughts on him, Bill?

There's a good reason to believe that when he came out with his story, although essentially true, it was probably a "controlled leakage" of the truth. Or a portion of it. Unlike the Physicist forced to wear special goggles moving from area to area, he seemed to be working under less than strictly secure conditions. He reported walking through an open hangar at S4 at one point, allowing him to briefly glimpse numerous saucer-shaped craft. He witnessed a number of other things you wouldn't expect a simple technician of his calibre, plucked off the street so to speak, to have access to. I have never heard, either, that he underwent hypnotic pre-conditioning, in fact I think he reported nothing more than vague threats, and the signing of non-disclosure papers etc.

Yet the 'intended' whistleblower theory - as an experiment, a test to gauge public reaction, perhaps? - has a problem. Yes, he had no evidence at all for his fantastic story, apart from a blurry, shaky video of a light hovering in the distance, but if he really was a controlled asset, and you take into account what happened afterwards, then surely the whole thing backfired on them. Lazar generated a lot of press. He put knowledge of the facility into the public domain that has never gone away, forcing them to move the entire operation to a facility in Utah, or Pine Gap (both have been mentioned as possibilities).

But it’s hard to believe he was completely the real deal either, just a guy in the wrong (right!) place at the wrong (right!) time. That's because, quite simply, they didn't 'rub him' out before he opened his mouth. He lived to tell his tale.

[Bill Ryan]

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Back to topic here, I just heard from Kerry again. (And I can cross-post part of this to the What happened to Kerry Cassidy on 24-25 April, 2015 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83940-What-happened-to-Kerry-Cassidy-on-24-25-April-2015&p=981899#post981899) thread. :) )

It'd be very nice to hear from Bill Hamilton. He was an excellent researcher, and I always had the highest respect for him. He's made some huge contributions over the many years he's been active (ever since the 1950s... do see Camelot's 2006 interview with him: http://projectcamelot.org/bill_hamilton.html).







Hi Bill,

Last email I got [from Bill Hamilton] was from 2013… so he’s probably still around. Last I heard he was living in Colorado.

Re my face.. mostly healed.. see latest videos for how it looks. Still minor issues when speaking but that is healing rapidly.

Latest videos showing my face :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoiIwk6BpNY
Karen Tate: all four parts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Yml__DIhU
Sean Stone both parts

Those two interviews are a week apart and you can tell the progress made from one week to the next.

Best wishes,

Kerry

[take]

Just started reading this thread, so excuse me if this has already been discussed, but...

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It was from someone who was ASKING to be interviewed, who had been recommended for the Nobel Prize in Physics, had worked with Majestic on antigravity, and knew all about the Moon Bases. He said that Project Horizon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Horizon) was fully operational.

I wrote back to him immediately, but he, too, never replied, We'd missed him. He'd been willing to go on video. :facepalm:

My guess was that his e-mail to us had been intercepted and he'd been ordered not to talk. One has to act fast.

These people do exist, and the programs do exist. But they are NOT allowed to talk.

Recommended for the Noble Prize in Physics according to the sender. How do we know he was who he claimed to be?
Another guess could be that the person was a fraud and decided not to play anymore. One should not jump to conclusions. These things are too important for that.

Ps. I myself am not very familiar with all this secret space program stuff, if someone would like to PM me some good starting points to this topic that would be much appreciated.

[Harley]

This is the exact problem that I was attempting to convey when I wrote This Post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material&p=1009275&viewfull=1#post1009275) in the Anomalies in The Ruiner's material (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material) thread.


Just started reading this thread, so excuse me if this has already been discussed, but...

.
It was from someone who was ASKING to be interviewed, who had been recommended for the Nobel Prize in Physics, had worked with Majestic on antigravity, and knew all about the Moon Bases. He said that Project Horizon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Horizon) was fully operational.

I wrote back to him immediately, but he, too, never replied, We'd missed him. He'd been willing to go on video. :facepalm:

Recommended for the Noble Prize in Physics according to the sender. How do we know he was who he claimed to be?
Another guess could be that the person was a fraud and decided not to play anymore. One should not jump to conclusions. These things are too important for that.

"One should not jump to conclusions" is correct, but it works both ways.


With the ever-increasing number of these bogus stories and whistleblowers, people are becoming more and more suspicious (as they should be). But because so many are beginning to get so accustomed to these instances of bogus stories and whistleblowers, they have now began to immediately attack the whistleblower practically as soon as their story/info has been released.

Once again, I believe this is by design and that there are instigators to kick it off each time it occurs.

Since this witness did not reply to Bill, one should not jump to conclusions because there simply is no information to do so.

Bill did offer one valid possibility for him not replying:

.
My guess was that his e-mail to us had been intercepted and he'd been ordered not to talk. One has to act fast.

These people do exist, and the programs do exist. But they are NOT allowed to talk.

In a case such as this one, had the witness contacted Bill, Bill would have vetted (https://www.google.com/search?q=vetted&oq=vetted&aqs=chrome..69i57.1977j0j8&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8) him suitably before publishing any interview.

[Citizen No2]

Does he have any proof, that you know of Bill?


Can I ask, do you have a series of 'litmus test's' that you apply to any potential whistle blower, or is it more a case of cross-referencing what is being relayed against other sources?

I am trying for a second time for a possible answer to the above questions.


Many thanks.



Regards.

[Cidersomerset]

Listening to this vid filled in some of the gaps for me about possible back
engineering and developing craft for the secret space programme . If true would
mean wecould have flown to Mars and beyond decades ago. As an alternate to '
jump rooms'.

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Edit update of timed out material in this #... 9/8/2017

Mark McCandlish: "Corporations Have Back-Engineered ET Technology To Control The World"
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86186-Mark-McCandlish-Corporations-Have-Back-Engineered-ET-Technology-To-Control-The-World-


A.R.V. and the Mark McCandlish Story the free energy Fluxliner UFO Space Craft

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Zero Point - The Story of Mark McCandlish and the free energy Fluxliner UFO Space Craft

Edit 9/8/2017...original vid timed out.

Published on 30 Jul 2015
Military-aeronautical Illustrator Mark McCandlish was riding the wave of success
making images of classified projects for the military-industrial complex. Then he
made a drawing of a top secret project that he wasn't supposed to know
about. And big trouble ensued. For those who want a story of intrigue, secrets,
and technology. Detailed information on the history, physics and technological
mechanisms regarding faster-than-light travel, antigravity, and zero-point
energy is also covered in detail.

James Allen was killed for making this documentary and getting too close to the truth.

The truth is Free Energy is very real and UFOs are very real.

[amor]

I believe that anything which requires such deviance and cover-up secrecy for so long, cannot possibly be in the best interest of the human race or even of those being used and hoodwinked working at the bases. Eventually, it suggests that when the project has acquired its goals, those fools who allowed themselves to be used will all be murdered. That includes us.

[Cidersomerset]

I did see an article about this the other day , and I just saw it on Davids
'Headline page ' so worth a post I think ?? If its genuine it does not
look like a rock to me.....
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‘UFO Drone’ Found on Mars is Proof of Ancient Civilization on Red Planet – Claim

By David Icke on 8th November 2015

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Published on 1 Nov 2015


The anomaly which appears to be the result of intelligent design was photographed
by the rover as it surveyed the area around rock nest at Gale Crater.

In my opinion this object is an extraterrestrial drone possibly built by the indigenous
Martian populace or perhaps it was deployed by an off world alien species who were
exploring the martian surface.

This object was found a few years back, but i will be re-visiting some old discoveries
and shedding new light on what they could actually be.

Drone footage is from the movie Oblivion.

Raw Image: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-imag...

[Bill Ryan]

At 6:36 in this video, there's a fascinating clip of Bill Hamilton talking about this whistleblower, which must have been well over 10 years ago. (I would LOVE to find the original presentation, in which he clearly says more.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sQF5OdqIzI[/url]

[findingneo]

Thanks Bill. So who are the "advanced civilizations" that one whistle blower talks of? Do you know Bill? (Apart from the indigenous population that look like ancient Egyptians).

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks Bill. So who are the "advanced civilizations" that one whistle blower talks of? Do you know Bill? (Apart from the indigenous population that look like ancient Egyptians).

That's Dr Bill Deagle (not 'Bob Deagle' as the video text says) talking with Kerry Cassidy and myself back in 2008.


http://projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle.html

No, he never clarified (or never knew) what the "advanced civilizations" were that he was told about. I assume these were friendly ETs from other star systems. I got to know 'Dr Bill' quite well, and I'm convinced all his testimony was reliable.

But, of course, it cannot be proved, and has to be placed in the very large pile labeled 'secondhand reports, supposition and conjecture'. :) But some of that really is quite consistent, and from multiple independent sources, too.

My own conclusions are


Hypotheses
Estimated probabilities
Subject to fine-tuning and amendment.
:)

[7alon]

Thanks Bill. So who are the "advanced civilizations" that one whistle blower talks of? Do you know Bill? (Apart from the indigenous population that look like ancient Egyptians).

That's Dr Bill Deagle (not 'Bob Deagle' as the video text says) talking with Kerry Cassidy and myself back in 2008.


http://projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle.html

No, he never clarified (or never knew) what the "advanced civilizations" were that he was told about. I assume these were friendly ETs from other star systems. I got to know 'Dr Bill' quite well, and I'm convinced all his testimony was reliable.

But, of course, it cannot be proved, and has to be placed in the very large pile labeled 'secondhand reports, supposition and conjecture'. :) But some of that really is quite consistent, and from multiple independent sources, too.

My own conclusions are


Hypotheses
Estimated probabilities
Subject to fine-tuning and amendment.
:)


Yes.. I was quite shocked at the end when he said the 'Martians' look like Ancient Egyptians. Maybe they are the same ones I saw in a vision I had. The ones I saw look like Native Americans. Not the most talkative either. This makes me want to look at Ancient Native Americans more. I've seen some insane things, but you know, time to find some actual evidence (referring to myself) :sherlock::ROFL:

In saying that, I have seen small amounts of evidence to suggest there were ancient structures on the east coast of the US. I didn't get far enough to feel like I wanted to share the information.

RTLBkef13ho

http://world-pyramids.com/en/world-pyramids/northern-america/monk-mound,-great-pyramid-of-the-usa.html#.WYvRmIiGO70

http://world-pyramids.com/en/assets/images/USA/P1050424.jpg

http://world-pyramids.com/en/assets/images/USA/chokokiapyr.jpg

http://world-pyramids.com/en/assets/images/USA/P1050425.jpg http://world-pyramids.com/en/assets/images/USA/1971_0056_826177.jpeg


Of all ancient civilizations in North America, human hands have built no greater earthwork than the Monks Mound near East St. Louis, IL. The Mound Builders statesmanship, ambitious projects and workforce make them of the most important cultures of World history. Monks Mound is situated about a mile from the Mississippi River, just north of East St. Louis, Illinois, in central United States.

The expertise of the ancient engineers that built the mound is shown through a complex layering of materials to build it. Inspection of the construction sequence of Monks Mound reveals that the final size and shape was part of a highly developed plan. All carefully layered stages of construction proceeded quickly as shown by a complete absence of erosion or layers of vegetation found between layers.

The mound has dimensions of 92 feet in height, 951 feet (290 meters) long and 836 feet (255 meters) wide. Monks Mound base covers about 14.4 acres and has a volume of about 21,551,623 cubic feet (610274 cubic meters) and consists of more than 2.16 billion pounds of non-local soil types.

Other construction materials used in the mound include limestone slabs, bald cypress and red cedar posts. Use of the limestone slabs in mound construction is important as a chronological marker indicating late Archaic construction (3000 - 1000 BC).

[Foxie Loxie]

Wow! Just listened again to the Bill Deagle interviews from 2008. Anyone who has not done that can take advantage to learn about The Larger Picture of what we are involved in! Totally amazing!! :clapping: We change things with our :heart:...not with our weapons!

[Mister ET]

In saying that, I have seen small amounts of evidence to suggest there were ancient structures on the east coast of the US. Many pyramidal, being-made structures on the floor of the oceans, in the jungles yet to be discovered, Mars, Moon, Saturn (Titan) and Pluto.

Artifacts.

[Bill Ryan]

Referring back to my post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85998-A-new-Mars-witness-never-published--and-a-real-one-this-time-&p=1009400&viewfull=1#post1009400), it has to be possible that this is the same physicist mentioned in Linda Howe's livestream of 15 July, 2020, who she heard indirectly had been to Mars 6 times in the 1970s and 80s. Start at 46:58.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbZ6386nlk0

[Denise/Dizi]

Hi. Excellent discussion. Bill wrote, "No-one knows everything. Their superiors make absolutely sure of that."
Well, if some "superior" is deciding who down the line doesn't know everything, somebody, somewhere does indeed know everything...or a quite a bit more.

Who's deciding who is allowed to know what?

Matt

I am guessing the governments decide who knows what, along with the intelligence agencies, but the real knowledge, and who gets to learn real truths? In my opinion, is decided by the et themselves willing to share it with that particular person...

[thepainterdoug]

wow denise, what made you go into this thread? it is quite fascinating. im sitting here saying to myself, man i know there is sooo much more that i dont know. i know nothing. dont even know what i dont know.

well i can only think that there has to be a main head like a bilderberg, type consortium that controls all governments all over the world.
so the rest is a show

[Harmony]

I really enjoyed listening to Linda Moulton Howe’s video above in post #73. Mars information, her insider contacts information, remote veiwing linked with her past reasearch. Mars came up quite a few times throughout this episode.


It’s a great listen while your doing cooking or cleaning if your short on time, and in my opinion, well worth the time.


Other than the Mars information aspect, Linda touches on remote viewing, past lives, ET’s, life and how we fit into the bigger picture, our future and truth and knowledge being kept from humanity, and much more.


As usual, Linda presents her personal experience, research and knowledge with inteagrity, humbleness and love.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

... We change things with our :heart:...not with our weapons!
Someone said to me "Love is the only answer" as I was driving alone in my car.

[Denise/Dizi]

wow denise, what made you go into this thread? it is quite fascinating. im sitting here saying to myself, man i know there is sooo much more that i dont know. i know nothing. dont even know what i dont know.

well i can only think that there has to be a main head like a bilderberg, type consortium that controls all governments all over the world.
so the rest is a show

Hi Doug!

To answer this question, I had some contacts... I just saw it resurface (The thread).. and saw I had missed your question.. I apologize for replying so late...

I believe, much like Bill, that there are many truths out there, easy to find if you look hard enough... Some there for the taking, if you truly ask for them with a pure heart, and loss of ego, willing to accept what truths are revealed to you.

Like you, the more I believe I know, honestly, it only shows me what little I truly do know. And perhaps that is a gift, in and of itself... As there will always be something new to find in this lifetime!

I just refuse to believe, that with all of this precious life on this world alone, that this is it, and there is no more to be found anywhere.... As I would guess is your thoughts about the matter as well..

What a wonderful world. Something for everyone... And to possibly learn that another that has been to Mars was possibly considering coming forward? Well that is HUGE.. So here I am, and I do hope that they do eventually come forward, if they're still with us...

While I am here...


I do have a question for Bill, if he sees this post. Bill, Have you ever had an in depth conversation with Bob Brown about the subject? I ask, because of all the people I have ever met in the field personally, he got choked up when speaking about the subject with me, as if his heart truly missed those that came before trying to reveal truth, and he knew some things that he truly wanted others to know.

The man loses money hosting conventions for us, and he truly seems to care that we learn the truth. Which makes me believe he knows some of it, and recognizes the importance of doing what he does, even if it comes at a loss to him personally.

[Bill Ryan]

I do have a question for Bill, if he sees this post. Bill, Have you ever had an in depth conversation with Bob Brown about the subject? I ask, because of all the people I have ever met in the field personally, he got choked up when speaking about the subject with me, as if his heart truly missed those that came before trying to reveal truth, and he knew some things that he truly wanted others to know.

The man loses money hosting conventions for us, and he truly seems to care that we learn the truth. Which makes me believe he knows some of it, and recognizes the importance of doing what he does, even if it comes at a loss to him personally.Yes, I know for a fact that Bob Brown knows stuff he can't speak about publicly. I might guess with some confidence, but I don't know for sure what it might be. :)

Back in 2006, at the first Laughin UFO conference I attended, a hotel room was booked, apparently filled with monitors (and/or projection screens) and equipment. A select few (not me!) were invited for "viewings" of sensitive, classified information.

Ron Garner was one of those invited, and another (if I remember right, but this was 15 years ago!) was Rick Doty. I was told this by someone else who was invited, whose name I cannot remember. The hint I was given was that the material was connected with Roswell, possibly copied but authentic original film.

[Denise/Dizi]

Thank You Bill..

Rick does speak of gatherings, in which those "in the know", share intel at these functions. And I firmly believe, that while kind of silly in how he shared it? That Ron Garner did have his finger on some of the pulse of truth... I am saddened in that when I had the opportunity to begin to investigate such things, Most of those that had truthful information were no longer speaking and sharing.

More recently I have wondered why we avoid the obvious... For example, the possibility that indeed these "Others" aren't at all living on other planets, or the Moons, (At least entirely)... and they live right here among us. These are so many accounts of such things throughout time... Seeing beings, tall people, very blonde people, such as yourself Bill.. As well as highly advanced people, right here on Earth.

Evidence of destruction we could barely imagine, yet it's there... And here on Earth.

And perhaps the Egyptians were not wiped out entirely, but fled... As their lands flooded. Did a meteor do this? Or an ancient war?

And the structures found here, rival those that people hail as "Incredible" when found in other locations. Yet we have seemed to lose fascination with them.

I believe the truth to be they're both here and in those other places... And would that be ground shaking information if we learned this in mass? That perhaps there is some truth in old lore, that there are beings that live underground, that sometimes come up and help out when a cataclysm happens, as happened to them.

I do not believe we started the "Underground bases" by accident, but more than likely found some old defunct ones, and began to investigate them, as many things in the past seemed to be buried. Including advanced technologies that made no sense to those finding them. Yet we skip over these facts when looking for truth, as we look to the sky for the answers.

It would make sense that there would be those keeping an eye on who shows up to these events. And what they reveal. Ron Garner said and did a few things that lined up perfectly with things I was told and shown, while having my own contacts... I don't claim to have all the answers, but if you watch the same videos enough, you can begin to learn some things you may have missed upon initial examination...

I have watched Mirage Men many times.. And Rick's interview with Steven Greer as well. over and over. And it struck me, it isn't what he says that I needed to pay attention to, but rather what he didn't... For example, when referring to Paul Bennowitz, he made a curious statement that while dealing with him, he was a little concerned that while showing him one thing, that perhaps he found another. And that he himself had to be briefed upon what he found.

This indicates that Paul brought something to Rick's attention, that even Rick wasn't aware of. Right here on Earth. And I do not think it was another training exercise.

I suppose that my questions have been answered for myself.. That indeed our solar system is not only populated, but thriving. Do I believe we are on Mars? Absolutely... Can I prove it? No.. But I believe that in time, we will know. The questions then become, can we all get along?

I am not going to lie, I would love more people to come forward and share what they know.. I once had a random conversation with a childhood friend after years of no communication. And they suggested that we shared an island with some et.. And he suggested this as if it was an open secret... And I believed him entirely.