Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Wind]

To awaken to the timeless and perfect Truth,
don't put so much importance on study.

Avoid the tendency to collect a lot of information on spirituality.
Instead, dive within with your entire heart by saying,
‘Yes, I am here for this alone. Drown me in You.’

Information and mind-created knowledge is meaningless in the higher realm.
Here, only Harmony prevails.

By going beyond the notion of a personal self, the detached observer of all phenomena is discovered as a formless field of inner silence and harmony. It spontaneously becomes self-evident that this is our real nature and position.

This clarity of seeing and understanding arises from the synchronicity of ‘I’ with the universal consciousness.

Pure Harmony is the language and vibration of Holiness.
It is synchronicity with God.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

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[Wind]

Mooji says that happiness is your natural state. This joy is contagious to the core. Happy Monte Sahaja was inspired by Pharrell Williams simple yet powerful message of happiness. The greatest joy is to discover the truth inside yourSelf.

'I have neither past, present, nor future! I am Nobody. I am Nothing. Therefore, as I am, I am supremely Happy'. - Mooji

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[Delight]

I have been benefiting from Matt Kahn's words. True Divine Nature (TrueDivineNature.com)

The Love Revolution

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[Guish]

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Hi friends,

Have a look at this one. For me, it's very straight forward and clear.

[Guish]

What is the ego-mind’s fear of awakening?

It is: Who wants a relationship with Miss Nobody? Who will employ Mr. No-Mind? What kind of future is there for one who is desireless?

But I am reminding you that all these are the ego's taboos, imaginings and attempts to distract you from your ever perfect nature.

In truth, your awakened life will be magnificent, harmonious, joyous and complete.

~ Mooji

I have to admit that this is my struggle. We've grown up with the idea that we need to fight oppression to survive. Will no action not result in extinction? Enlightenment is not logical but spiritual. I remember Swami Tapovan was gifted a golden bowl once. While he was going through the forest, burglars tried to kill him to get the Bowl. He gave them the bowl with a smile and said that he's not interested in the bowl. That kind of inner peace is just another level, I'd say. This discussion reminds me of the story found below.

"A Zen Master lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening, while he was away, a thief sneaked into the hut only to find there was nothing in it to steal. The Zen Master returned and found him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty handed. Please take my clothes as a gift." The thief was bewildered, but he took the clothes and ran away. The Master sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, " I wish I could give him this beautiful moon."

Source: http://users.rider.edu/~suler/zenstory/moon.html

[GarethBKK]

A story once told by Sri Ramakrishna:

Once a master and his disciples were gathered in the jungles of India. The Master had been teaching his disciples: "Everyone is God, everything is God and we should bow down to God in everyone and everything".

Now, the next day, when the disciples were out in the jungle gathering fruit for their meals, off in the distance was heard the bellowing, trumpeting and crashing of a great bull Elephant, wild with rage; And, all of a sudden, he was crashing through the jungle precisely in the direction of the assembled group of disciples.

The Mahout,(the man who rides the elephant) was shouting to all in front of him, "Get out of the way! Get out of the way! The elephant is mad!"

Seeing the approaching terror, all of the disciples began to run, except for one; He remembered the Master's words, "God is in everyone and everything and we should bow down to God in everyone and everything."

The elephant was thundering towards him and the Mahout was shouting for him to get out of the way, but, remembering his Masters words, he bowed down to the approaching elephant.

The elephant, plunged towards him, picked him up with his trunk, smashed him to the side and thundered on through the jungle.

The disciples came back after the elephant had gone and finding him unconscious they brought him to the Master. When he came to his senses, he was given tea and then the Master asked him : "Why did you not run away?"

The devotee replied, "Master, you yourself had said that God was in everyone and everything and to bow down to God in everyone and everything. I have simply followed your words".

The Master replied: "It is true, God is in everyone and everything. There is God in the Elephant, but, there is God in the Mahout too, and the Mahout said; 'Get out of the way'."

Mad Elephant (http://www.petermalakoff.com/mad_elephant.html)


Wind, please keep the daily dose of Mooji coming!!!!

[Guish]

Gareth, I can't stop laughing.

[greybeard]

The challenge is you get to the point where you dont take life too seriously and can say things that are funny but not appropriate to the the situation.
Then your friends and family think you have lost it--you know you have "gained" it, or at least well on the way.
One of my sons told me that I had "Lost the plot"--he was serious. I laughed.

Compassion arises where appropriate, but that's for the ignorance (lack of knowledge) that causes pain and suffering.

Time and time I have read that if you want to help the human race apply your self to spiritual practice.
Every time your spiritual vibration goes up, numerous other have their load lightened.
The late Dr David Hawkins gave precise percentages in his book Power vs Force (The hidden determinates of human behaviour)
One enlightened raises the consciousness of millions.
The higher the consciousness the more appropriate right action happens all by itself.
So if everyone’s consciousness is raised enough then selfish behaviour come to an end.
Its not necessary for Christ consciousness to happen for everyone, or duality to end, for a massive improvement in the well being of all humans to come about.

Every moment spent in spiritual endeavour has a beneficial effect, not just for the aspirant, but for all.

Chris

[Guish]

Chris, your post reminds me of the movie " into the wild". The character smiled just before he died. This points to the conclusion that even death should not be feared if one lived one's life fully.

[Wind]

Garerth, that is hilarious! And thank you all for your latest contributions, this thread is amazing. As requested, here is the latest daily dose from Mooji!

My most auspicious advice: Remain empty. Leave all that personal mind-stuff aside.

Stay as impersonal Awareness alone. This is the highest way and choice.
Accept and follow this advice with all your heart.

You will find it sufficient to win you freedom.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

The disciple asked the Guru what happens after death.
The Guru said "I dont know"
Disciple said "I thought you were a master."
Guru said. " Yes I am, but im not a dead one"

The enlightened have a great sense of humour.

Keep it going
Chris

[Wind]

If one recognises Truth as Truth, from where does the power come to discern the Real from the unreal? And who or what is experiencing this discovery? I am genuinely asking this. Contemplate.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Garerth, that is hilarious! And thank you all for your latest contributions, this thread is amazing. As requested, here is the latest daily dose from Mooji!

My most auspicious advice: Remain empty. Leave all that personal mind-stuff aside.

Stay as impersonal Awareness alone. This is the highest way and choice.
Accept and follow this advice with all your heart.

You will find it sufficient to win you freedom.

~ Mooji

The further you go away from yourself, the closer you get to your true self. Everything is impermanent. Take things calmly as it's useless to struggle against things out of your hands. Be aware that you can control some things though.

[greybeard]

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[greybeard]

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[blotter]

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I guess these were the two I needed to hear, or happened to hear. Either way, thanks guys -- not just you two, but everyone who posts here.. and who doesn't, yet is raising the collective. Wouldn't believe the confluence between my spiritual and 'real' lives had I not experienced them myself.. on the same day no less. Namaste

[Wind]

The Liberated mind has a natural option which the egoic mind lacks — it can function in the world and yet remain in perfect serenity as unmoving Awareness.

When the sense 'I am' and awareness are experienced as one, there is no such thing as ego.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

The Liberated mind has a natural option which the egoic mind lacks — it can function in the world and yet remain in perfect serenity as unmoving Awareness.

When the sense 'I am' and awareness are experienced as one, there is no such thing as ego.

~ Mooji

Does it mean that when struggling stops, the ego dies?

[greybeard]

The Liberated mind has a natural option which the egoic mind lacks — it can function in the world and yet remain in perfect serenity as unmoving Awareness.

When the sense 'I am' and awareness are experienced as one, there is no such thing as ego.

~ Mooji

Does it mean that when struggling stops, the ego dies?

Yes, but not quite that simple.
The ego creates struggle, by thinking---This should not be--things should be different.
The ego can not surrender to what is.
Surrender is just acceptance--in this moment in time--of what is.

Simply all "I" me and mine thoughts have to be let go of.
No personal identification--just awareness.

Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

Hi Chris,

My wife was delighted to tell me about what she heard on the radio this morning.

Without announcement this just came on.

The time is NOW....... it is always NOW.

The past is just a story and when the future gets here it will be NOW.

This is the day that God has made; let us rejoice and be glad.

and then it just went to a song.

Wishing you the best friend.....barry

[greybeard]

The Near Death Experience: Commonalities Among Experiencers - Documentary
Published on 22 May 2014

"When we have done all the work we were sent to do, we are allowed to shed our body, which imprisons our Soul like a cocoon encloses a butterfly." ~ Elisabeth Kubler-Ross

Very important documentary that explores the commonalities of the Near Death Experience and its possible implications and meanings for us while we reside on this planet.

http://www.nderf.org/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vL8Ck74lVw


Please note this video is no available for down load.

Chris

[Wind]

What Am I?
"Ordinarily the ego is the agent of action. This is apparent. But if an enquiry is set going and its source and nature penetrated successfully, a surprising discovery about the "I" will be made. Its true energy is derived from non-I, pure being." http://paulbrunton.org/notebooks/8/1#41

Devotion:
"By thought, the ego was made; by thought, the ego's power can be unmade. But the thought must be directed toward a higher entity, for the ego's willingness to attack itself is only a pretense. Direct it constantly to the Overself, be mentally devoted to the Overself, and emotionally love the Overself. Can it then refuse to help you?" http://paulbrunton.org/notebooks/18/1#77

The overself and the ego
"That element in his consciousness which enables him to understand that he exists, which causes him to pronounce the words, "I Am," is the spiritual element, here called Overself. It is really his basic self for the three activities of thinking feeling and willing are derived from it, are ripples spreading out of it, are attributes and functions which belong to it. But as we ordinarily think feel and act, these activities do not express the Overself because they are under the control of a different entity, the personal ego." http://paulbrunton.org/notebooks/8/1#1

Detaching from the ego:
"To surrender the ego is to surrender the thought of it, and this is done by stilling the mind whenever, in daily life, one becomes self-conscious. This silenced ego vanishes. It is deep, mental effacement of the thought of being "XY," this quick stilling of the idea of being a particular person, this serene rejection of the intellectual movement and emotional agitation of the ego, that constitutes the "giving up of the self" which Jesus and all great mystics have insistently enjoined. This art of effacing the ego by stilling the mind, by suddenly stopping its whirling flood of thoughts, could not be practised at will and at any time if one had not practised it previously and frequently in deliberate exercises at set times. It is not an art into which the man in the street can straightway plunge. He is not ready for it. He must first get a disciplined mental nature through daily work in meditation as well as a subjugated emotional nature through hardened will. These endeavours must be brought to perfection first before the feat of giving up the ego can itself be brought to perfection." http://paulbrunton.org/notebooks/8/4#151

Small circle within larger one:
"Yes, the ego as individuality, a separate identity remains. But it becomes reborn, purified, humbled before the higher power, no longer narrow in interests, no longer tyrannizing over the man, no longer selfish in the sense of the word. For as an enlightened being it may remain, harmless to all beings, benevolent to all creatures, respondent to a timeless consciousness enfolding its ordinary personality. The smaller circle can continue to exist within the larger one until the liberation of death. It is no longer the source of ignorance and evil; that ego is dissolved and obliterated. The new being is simply separate in body, thought, feeling from others but not from the universal, mass being behind them. There all are one." http://paulbrunton.org/notebooks/8/1#217

- Paul Brunton

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[Catsquotl]

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I came across this diagram this morning..

With Love
Eelco

[Wind]

Even if, at times, you feel you have done the worst thing imaginable or that the whole world is against you or rejects you. Even if you feel no one understands you, loves you or accepts you, do not entirely trust your mind. Do not think it is on your side.

Know This:

You never have to apologise for your existence.
You are not here by accident but by the will and love of the Supreme Lord of the universe.

You are not merely 'living' life; you are Life itself and also the witness of life.

All challenges in life arise to motivate, mature and direct your mind towards true wisdom. Thus, by opening your heart to Truth, they stimulate and inspire you to go beyond the inhibited personal self and its projections, misconceptions and false beliefs. Ultimately challenges lead you, through Grace, to discover your real nature and Self as Unborn Awareness.

~ Mooji

[Shezbeth]

There is a phrase I read in this thread that I found to be of quality. I will attempt to recreate it as my efforts to locate the specific post have not yielded results. I believe the poster was either Greybeard and/or Wind.


I am that which cannot be pointed to and say "I am that" - Mooji

I perceive to understand the intent of the phrase, and yet am at a mindset where I find it to be moderately inaccurate/ineffective. To illustrate I will reword the phrase to be consistent with my experience, but first must explain a bit.

I am that which can be pointed to and say "I am that", however doing so is tricky business. For one, the 'pointing' is not literal, it is espoused and figurative. In order to be able to perceive 'that', one must adhere to certain practices and/or traditions that are neither accidental nor cursory. In the event that one is able to perceive 'that', pointing to 'it' requires that the recipient is able to perceive it as well. One cannot point to or reference something unknown/unseen to the recipient, else doing so is as effective as indicating/pointing to something imaginary. Yet to the recipient who perceives it, it is redundant for the one expressing to 'point' to it as the very act of perceiving it requires/involves an understanding of it.

One cannot perceive 'that' and not know that one and all are 'that', and attempting to express so for one who cannot perceive 'it' lacks any potency of communication; it is not helpful to indicate something unknown/unseen to a person who does not know/see 'it', other than to indicate that there may (from their perspective) be an 'it' to be known/seen.

Simply, when one perceives 'that' it is of little/no benefit to say so except to others who perceive 'that' to say "I am that" - other than to indicate/foster mutual perception ("I see it too"). Likewise it is of little/no benefit to those who don't see 'it' in that it doesn't help to indicate what 'that' is nor how to perceive 'it'.

Suffice it to say: I mostly don't disagree with the expression, I disagree with the purpose of the expression. I find it would be more effective and accurate to say thus:


I perceive what I am but cannot indicate it to you unless you likewise perceive what you are, and in that event it is unnecessary to indicate it as you already know what you and I am/are. If you don't know and wish to, perhaps I can point you in the right direction.

But then, that's not very succinct or poetic now is it?

[Delight]

http://www.firefly.org/images/pictures/elkmont-synchronous-fireflies.jpg

Last night in my backyard I saw the almost surreal flashing of thousands of lightening bugs. I think there are more this year than I ever saw before. There is so much life all around me. The weeds have whole worlds. Is that not such a mysterious thought. I am only able to experience so little. My jaw drops at the weirdness of having so little knowledge of all this life and it feels very humbling in such an incredible way that I wanted to share it.

This morning I am very grateful for all the people and posts on this thread. I may be asleep, I may be unconscious and I may be deluded and whatever? It doesn't matter at the moment and I am grateful for THAT. I am grateful for love who is all around me. I am MOST grateful that I am aware that I feel this love. No matter that I know nothing, love loves me anyway.

Love Revolution yes, Maggie

[Wind]

Be empty. Be light.

Drop the luggage of a personal self along with its self-centered projections, so that you can feel again the simplicity and Holiness of your original Being. When the mind becomes light again, all the angels, all the heavenly Beings are rejoicing. You can feel the presence of them inside.

All are singing hallelujah to the Truth.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Be empty. Be light.

Drop the luggage of a personal self along with its self-centered projections, so that you can feel again the simplicity and Holiness of your original Being. When the mind becomes light again, all the angels, all the heavenly Beings are rejoicing. You can feel the presence of them inside.

All are singing hallelujah to the Truth.

~ Mooji


No wonder ancient masters focussed on renunciation. Swami tapovan washed and used the same clothes for years and satisfied himself with the basics. Leaving all habits, social identity and belongings were the first steps towards enlightenment. If one has read Tapovan's story, one will see how each selfless action led to his path towards enlightenment. For those who don't know, Ramakrishna was a discipline of Tapovan and brought spirituality to the west. Love to all. Geerish.

[greybeard]

Hi Guish its a desire less state---neither attraction nor aversion.
Its also lack of identification---there is no person doing renunciation.

There are layers and layers of teaching to get through.
I used to think I had to do without.
No its not that-- with surrender everything that is needed just arrives.
A true story

I went to see Sai Baba and stayed on his ashram for six weeks some years ago.
I met a "forever friend" there.
Hi Uffe.
I came away with a strong desire for renunciation. (see strong desire--laughing)
Anyway.
What did I really love--what would be a real effort to let go.
I had a Fender Precision Bass that I got second hand and had played for years--if I could have slept with it I would have.
To cut a long story short I advertised it in a specialist magazine.
I got a phone call from a man--who said he did not have the money but would I consider him.
I found myself saying I would send it down to him and if he liked it he would find the money.
Friends and family thought I had finally lost it.
A week after I had sent it the man phoned very excited
He asked me where I bought it-I told him Musical Exchange London.
He had kept serial no's of every bass he had owned---seems he had sold it to them.
I had it for twenty years before it went back to its original owner.

There is no logical explanation/

Chris

[NancyV]

Now THAT was very funny, thanks for the laugh!!!! Very accurate too and yes, a bit too wordy. We need smart things to be in short bytes (or bites?). I totally empathize because I also often get way too wordy when trying to explain the unexplainable.
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There is a phrase I read in this thread that I found to be of quality. I will attempt to recreate it as my efforts to locate the specific post have not yielded results. I believe the poster was either Greybeard and/or Wind.


I am that which cannot be pointed to and say "I am that" - Mooji

I perceive to understand the intent of the phrase, and yet am at a mindset where I find it to be moderately inaccurate/ineffective. To illustrate I will reword the phrase to be consistent with my experience, but first must explain a bit.

I am that which can be pointed to and say "I am that", however doing so is tricky business. For one, the 'pointing' is not literal, it is espoused and figurative. In order to be able to perceive 'that', one must adhere to certain practices and/or traditions that are neither accidental nor cursory. In the event that one is able to perceive 'that', pointing to 'it' requires that the recipient is able to perceive it as well. One cannot point to or reference something unknown/unseen to the recipient, else doing so is as effective as indicating/pointing to something imaginary. Yet to the recipient who perceives it, it is redundant for the one expressing to 'point' to it as the very act of perceiving it requires/involves an understanding of it.

One cannot perceive 'that' and not know that one and all are 'that', and attempting to express so for one who cannot perceive 'it' lacks any potency of communication; it is not helpful to indicate something unknown/unseen to a person who does not know/see 'it', other than to indicate that there may (from their perspective) be an 'it' to be known/seen.

Simply, when one perceives 'that' it is of little/no benefit to say so except to others who perceive 'that' to say "I am that" - other than to indicate/foster mutual perception ("I see it too"). Likewise it is of little/no benefit to those who don't see 'it' in that it doesn't help to indicate what 'that' is nor how to perceive 'it'.

Suffice it to say: I mostly don't disagree with the expression, I disagree with the purpose of the expression. I find it would be more effective and accurate to say thus:


I perceive what I am but cannot indicate it to you unless you likewise perceive what you are, and in that event it is unnecessary to indicate it as you already know what you and I am/are. If you don't know and wish to, perhaps I can point you in the right direction.

But then, that's not very succinct or poetic now is it?

[Grizz Griswold]

Hi chris, i hope you don't mind my posting this as i also posted it on

a thread i started ......Is it time? To Change The World.....

It's something that needs to be as widely known as possible.


The CHOPRA MEDITATION CENTER is sponsoring .....GLOBAL MEDITATION FOR PEACE..... from todays date 6/2/14

there are 66 days until the event.....giving everyone time to join in....please watch the video and sign up.....it's free.

The event will be on August 8th 2014 at noon.....This event is to be The Largest Global Synchronized Meditation ever.

Tell everyone you know.....joining together in Love is the beginning of changing the world.

Let us see if we can make a difference.

Love.....barry


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Here is the link to sign up.

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[Wind]

As soon as you begin to sense your unity with the real Self, the psychological identity is going to rise up for its biggest fight; a fight to protect its very survival. It will not give up its illusory hold on the beingness that easily. It will use every trick to prevent you from discovering your real nature.

But don’t be afraid. You have the real power on your side and it is important to remember this when the mind attacks. You can transcend its influence by remaining as the formless and unmoving Seer. This is righteousness, holiness and love.

~ Mooji


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[Chester]

Hi friends... wow... its incredible - I am still stark, raving enlightened but with one small problem -

a slowing body - YUCK!!!

Oh Well - I will do my best to avoid the implant stations upon exit because I sure don't wanna have my current consciousness (and my memories) wiped out!

[Wind]

You say your life is service to God.

But at a certain stage, the duality between you and God must merge and become one Harmony.
Ultimately, if your devotion is sincere, duality cannot last. Naturally, you will get pulled inside the Beloved.
Only then will your Being experience its Completeness.

~ Mooji

[Grizz Griswold]

You say your life is service to God.

But at a certain stage, the duality between you and God must merge and become one Harmony.
Ultimately, if your devotion is sincere, duality cannot last. Naturally, you will get pulled inside the Beloved.
Only then will your Being experience its Completeness.

~ Mooji

Thank you for this quote Wind.

I have come to realize that what was said above is true.

But i would change it slightly, our perception shifts so that

we realize we are already one self with God and in complete Harmony!

But as the infinite, we can choose to believe anything we want.

We're already Home!

With Love......barry

[Guish]

As soon as you begin to sense your unity with the real Self, the psychological identity is going to rise up for its biggest fight; a fight to protect its very survival. It will not give up its illusory hold on the beingness that easily. It will use every trick to prevent you from discovering your real nature.

But don’t be afraid. You have the real power on your side and it is important to remember this when the mind attacks. You can transcend its influence by remaining as the formless and unmoving Seer. This is righteousness, holiness and love.

~ Mooji


ungvLDH8OmY

Meditation feels like going to a war at times. I can relate to these attacks he's talking about. I'd also add that life is troublesome enough to test our faith and patience. It's the perfect platform to practise spirituality. Society shows everything we don't want to be. It's inspiring to discover oneself while leaving the mass. Everyday, we see things that need to be changed. I keep asking myself. Am I also like the people I see? It gives me the drive to work more on discovering my real state.

[bodhii71]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29rNbZg4yAk

A panel discussion on possible perceptions of the celestial realms, hosted by Rick Archer (Buddha at the Gas Pump). This discussion loosened some rigid though patterns I had had without being entirely aware they were even present. I've nothing much else to comment other than I found this to be very (third) eye opening.

[Chester]

consider Earth, 2014 as the mental hospital

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[Chester]

For those who have an interest in Thich Nhat Hanh - this is a good interview -

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[greybeard]

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[Delight]

I love Joe Dispenza's very practical information

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[Wind]

Thich Nhat Hanh is great, I just bumped into his videos a while ago. I saw that Oprah interview, it was great. Actually just the day before yesterday I ordered one of his books called "Fear: Essential Wisdom for Getting Through the Storm", thanks for posting his videos here Jester... Sorry, I meant Chester! Here is the latest quote from Mooji. I am in hilarious mood already, so somehow Mooji's comment below made me laugh more again... Alan Watts said this, "They say in Zen, when you attain satori, nothing is left to you at that moment but to have a good laugh."

"When man looks for experience he becomes the body.

When he looks for knowledge he becomes the mind.

When he looks for God he becomes the Heart.

When he looks for Truth he becomes Nothing."

~ Mooji

[GarethBKK]

LOL. Thanks, Wind, for today's magical Mooji.


... Alan Watts said this, "They say in Zen, when you attain satori, nothing is left to you at that moment but to have a good laugh."

Yep. After years of wandering the world as a body, next cramming as much knowledge into the head as possible, then squatting to devotion, the moment suddenly comes when there's no one here. There was never anyone to have a body, or know anything or do anything. There was only ever this. The simplicity and obviousness of it is laughable. It is freedom.

As Joey Lott writes in You're Trying to Hard: A direct path to what already is:


Emptiness seems empty when seen as a thing. When seen as something separate. When seen by an (imaginary) seer.

Yet emptiness is not a thing. Emptiness is not separate. There is no seer.

There is only this.

And when it is truly seen as it is, then what appeared to be emptiness is seen to be the totality.

[greybeard]

LOL. Thanks, Wind, for today's magical Mooji.


... Alan Watts said this, "They say in Zen, when you attain satori, nothing is left to you at that moment but to have a good laugh."

Yep. After years of wandering the world as a body, next cramming as much knowledge into the head as possible, then squatting to devotion, the moment suddenly comes when there's no one here. There was never anyone to have a body, or know anything or do anything. There was only ever this. The simplicity and obviousness of it is laughable. It is freedom.

As Joey Lott writes in You're Trying to Hard: A direct path to what already is:


Emptiness seems empty when seen as a thing. When seen as something separate. When seen by an (imaginary) seer.

Yet emptiness is not a thing. Emptiness is not separate. There is no seer.

There is only this.

And when it is truly seen as it is, then what appeared to be emptiness is seen to be the totality.

Think that says it all Gareth.
Not within this direct knowing as yet.
Thanks--it all helps to remove ignorance.

Chris

[Wind]

The person is noisy and seeks Silence but cannot find it.

Silence is not the gift one receives after strenuous seeking alone.

Trust. Grace reveals what mind cannot.

Silence is here, unearned and unrecognised and yet, timelessly present. It is unmixed Presence and is therefore synonymous with You but not with your person.

You exist without the person but the person cannot exist without You.

Discern the Real from the Unreal.

~ Mooji

Here (http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/who_am_I.pdf) is one little booklet based on Ramana Maharshi's teachings, it's called Who Am I?

[greybeard]

Linage is virtually a guarantee of valid, successful, enlightened teaching.
Ramana Maharshi had a spontaneous awakening without a guru.
Then in the linage came Papaji and now Mooji.
Obviously others are enlightened through that linage but not all are drawn to teach.

Chris

Ps Thanks for the Ramana booklet link Wind---your contributions much appreciated.

[GarethBKK]

...but man, proud man,
Drest in a little brief authority,
Most ignorant of what he's most assured,
His glassy essence, like an angry ape,
Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven
As make the angels weep; who, with our spleens,
Would all themselves laugh mortal.
Shakespeare: Measure for Measure 2:2

[Wind]

Yes Chris, didn't Gangaji also come from Papaji's lineage? Not sure if she is enlightened, but I think she probably is. Also Paul Brunton was with Ramana and Brunton is known for bringing yoga and meditation to the western world. Ramana was a great example, he showed that just by being you can change the world by spreading pure awareness and many have followed that path after him.

"When he has silenced his desires and stilled his thoughts, when he has put his own will aside and his own ego down, he becomes a free channel through which the Divine Mind may flow into his own consciousness. No evil feelings can enter his heart, no evil thoughts can cross his mind, and not even the new consequence of old wrong-doing can affect his serenity." - Paul Brunton

[greybeard]

Gangaji is of the Papaji lineage, thats true Wind .
I saw her at the Findhorn Foundation.
Excellent teacher.
Dr David Hawkins said that she was at the level of unconditional love which is just short of enlightenment.
Im lucky Findhorn is only 28 miles away not that I go very often now.
Eckhart gave an intensive weekend there which I attended.
There is an excellent ACIM study group there that I used to go to.

Chris

[Wind]

"Fights between individuals, as well as governments and nations, invariably result from misunderstandings in the broadest interpretation of this term. Misunderstandings are always caused by the inability of appreciating one another's point of view. This again is due to the ignorance of those concerned, not so much in their own, as in their mutual fields.

The peril of a clash is aggravated by a more or less predominant sense of combativeness, posed by every human being. To resist this inherent fighting tendency the best way is to dispel ignorance of the doings of others by a systematic spread of general knowledge. With this object in view, it is most important to aid exchange of thought and intercourse.

What we now want is closer contact and better understanding between individuals and communities all over the earth, and the elimination of egoism and pride which is always prone to plunge the world into primeval barbarism and strife... Peace can only come as a natural consequence of universal enlightenment..."

~ Nikola Tesla

[Wind]

You say, ‘Something is very busy trying to get rid of ego and reach the Self.’

I sense a very strong doing-energy, but I am pointing you to That which is not a doing nor the outcome of any action.

It does not have the concept of achieving or attaining anything at all.

It does not give any credibility to the ego identity nor acknowledges it as significant.

As soon as you are clear about this, less and less energy will be wasted on the sense of doer-ship

and in a short time it will barely be noticed.

Without belief, personal identity or interest, the unreal cannot live.

In the light of true understanding, You, the Self, alone Exist. ॐ

~ Mooji

[Wind]

So funny and true!

Don't be like the leafy tree wishing to be still in a windy place.

Trying to stop the mind is like trying to stop the wind, dressed as a kite.

Let the mind-wind blow.

You be the space in which it moves.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

Camilo thank you for this pasted from your post link http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72094-Jim-Carrey-s-Commencement-Address-at-the-2014-MUM-Graduation&p=842647&viewfull=1#post842647

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M&feature=youtu.be

[Wind]

What Truth is cannot be lost. It cannot be owned. It can only be. That is the most important thing you will discover.'

'If you have to study and practice to become something you will have to spend a lot of energy to retain and maintain that understanding or that skill. Your Self is not like that. It is already perfectly in place from before the beginning of anything. It is here.'

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[Rich]

It is here.


You're an eternal, infinite being, what's your hurry? Where you going? The only place you're ever gonna wind up is right here and right now. ~Bashar

[Wind]

"Why should the Short Path be a better means of getting Grace than the Long one? There is not only the reason that it is not occupied with the ego but also that it continually keeps up remembrance of the Overself. It does this with a heart that gives, and is open to receive, love. It thinks of the Overself throughout the day. Thus, it not only comes closer to the source from which Grace is being perpetually radiated, but it also is repeatedly inviting Grace with each loving remembrance.

At every important turn on his path the aspirant will find a choice awaiting him. He will find himself facing a set of circumstances which test his motive, strength, and attainment. These periodical tests can be neither evaded nor avoided, and often they are not recognized for what they are. Temptation may camouflage them under attractive colours. Nevertheless the student's conduct in regard to them will decide whether he passes onward and upward, or falls back into pain and purification."

Man can come into the personal knowledge that there is this unseen power out of which the whole universe is being derived, including himself. But neither the animal nor the plant can come into this knowledge. Here we see what evolution means and why it is necessary.

Those who have developed insight perceive the essential stuff of everything even while they perceive its forms; hence they see all as One. It is as if a dreamer were to know that he was dreaming and thus understand that all the dream scenes and figures were nothing but one and the same stuff--his mind--while not losing his dream experience.

- Paul Brunton

[greybeard]

Conscious TV Latest interview.

Non Duality - Traditions (loaded 10 June 2014)
Dennis Moorby - 'Freedom Through Path Of The Jhanas' - Interview by Iain McNay (watch this programme)
Dennis was a successful business executive in London when he went with a friend to India and looked into the eyes of his friend's Guru. He saw a really happy man with sparking eyes. He returned home to find his wife of 17 years wanted to leave him and he was no longer motivated to do his high powered job. He went on a spiritual adventure which culminated in .his creating his own 'cave in the mountains' which was in fact an apartment in a small German village. There he spent 18 months meditating for 8 hours a day working through the path of the Jhanas as outlined by Ayya Khema, until he found freedom.


http://www.conscious.tv/

Chris

[Wind]

Real understanding, leading to liberation, takes place in Presence not in the person.

Therefore, your initial effort is to lift the consciousness from the personal state to the state of unmixed Presence.

Only when you are synchronised in Presence as Presence itself, does Self-discovering become an effortless joy.

Then Self-inquiry is not merely something you practise, it becomes the mirror you look into to see the face of God.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

Don't try to change the world. First, change yourself or rather, your self-perception, and you find the world automatically corresponding to the level of your understanding. You will find that it has always been you who set the pace and depth of your experience by recognising and honouring your true nature.

~ Mooji

[Rollo]

I think video from Stargods fits well in this thread.

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[Wind]

ॐ When you realise the Truth of who you are, your whole life becomes religion.
Your very existence becomes service to the one Self, to Truth, to God.

~ Mooji

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[Wind]

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[Wind]

A Homeward Journey

"The very idea of a quest involves a passage, a definite movement from one place to another. Here, of course, the passage is really from one state to another. It is a holy journey, so he who is engaged on it is truly a pilgrim. And as on many journeys, difficulties, fatigues, obstacles, delays, and allurements may be encountered on the way, yes! And here there will certainly be dangers, pitfalls, oppositions, and enmities too. His intuition and reason, his books and friends, his experience and earnestness will constitute themselves as his guide upon it. There is another special feature to be noted about it. It is a homeward journey. The Father is waiting for his child. The Father will receive, feed, and bless him."

Meaning in difficulty

"There is no problem which does not carry within it a hidden meaning, no person associated with us who does not bear within himself a hidden message. As soon as we rise above the level of their appearance, and as long as we stay on that level, the problem shows us the way to solve it and the person plays his true note in the harmony of our lives."

Spiritual Laws Structure Experience

"The nearer he comes to this insight the larger is his acceptance of life. Each event is seen to be either inevitable, just, or right. No news is ever so bad that there is no good behind it. Less and less is he inclined to attempt to reform others or to meddle in their affairs. More and more he sees that there is wisdom and purpose at work in all happenings, and that the law of recompense never ceases to operate."

Human experience

"All the experiences which life brings us are meaningful. Let us use our intelligence and learn these meanings. For life is trying to develop that intelligence in us until she can make us aware of the highest meaning of all--the Soul. §

The human situation is a paradox. We are at one and the same time inhabitants of a world of reality as well as a world of appearance. A true human life must embrace both aspects, must be spiritual as well as physical, must integrate the intuitive as well as the intellectual."

"The Interior Word is not heard with the reasoning mind, even though its statements may be very reasonable. It is not connected with the intellect at all, as are all our ordinary words. It is received in the heart, felt intensively and deeply."

~ Paul Brunton


The biggest misconception in life is the belief that the world is a separate object, whereas in truth, the world is the expression of the Subject, which is what we are. Thus the saying, ‘I don’t see the world as it is, I see the world as I am,’ is true.

~ Mooji


Ram Dass: Ramana Maharshi & Self-Enquiry

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[Wind]

You say there are so many 'persons' everywhere, but when one is awake to the Truth, one looks out only as Truth itself and 'persons' are nowhere to be seen. Not even our puppy is just a dog anymore.

The sense of separateness is vague here. If it were to arise, it would feel so heavy that it is immediately seen through and discarded.

The One, the Supreme Being, what we truly are, is all there is.

~ Mooji

"The Overself waits with deepest patience for him--man--to prefer it completely to everything and everyone else. It waits for the time when longings for the soul will leave the true aspirant no rest, when love for the divine will outlast and outweigh all other loves. When he feels that he needs it more than he needs anything else in this world, the Overself will unfailingly reveal its presence to him."

- Paul Brunton

[Wind]

Listen:

You don’t have to put any kind of strenuous practices upon yourself in order to realise the Self.

The Self is the most natural.

It is the mind itself that is both entertained by and entangled in so-called spiritual practices for self-realisation.

Though some practices are good and necessary, many are aimed only at the ego. Left unnoticed, they will keep you in a limited state of mind, perhaps a spiritual mind even, whereby you believe you are merely a 'person' on the road to becoming the Self.

Your true Self however, does not need to practice anything, for it is unchangingly perfect and timelessly present.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

Divine intuition amidst world situation

"A sage, looking at the world-situation today, might declare that its issue will be neither all black with evil nor all white with good. New elements wearing both these colours will begin to appear, but the balance which will be struck between them is not easily predictable. The tremendous tension within the emotional nature of humanity, the enormous pressure suggesting a purely materialistic reading of life, the vast conflict and disharmony among men themselves, the wide mental ferment which has made serenity almost impossible--all these constitute for an appreciable number of people the labour-bed upon which the infant of a divine intuition is being born. This intuition may manifest itself in different intellectual forms, but its essence is always the same: that life has a meaning and a purpose beyond the sensuous and the selfish, that it is ultimately spiritual."

"A part of the practical technique for attaining the inner awareness of this timeless reality is the practice of the AS IF exercise... The practitioner regards himself no longer from the standpoint of the quester, but from that of the Realized Man. He assumes, in thought and action, that he has nothing to attain…"

~ Paul Brunton

[Wind]

This makes me ponder since I do live in a quite big and noisy city, but I would prefer to live in the countryside, or somewhere really quiet.

"It is not that the soul cannot be found in populous cities but that it can be found more easily and more quickly in solitary retreats. Its presence comes more clearly there. But to learn how to keep it we have to return to the cities again."

- Paul Brunton

[Wind]

What could possibly be wrong in this moment?
Look inside, outside… what can possibly be wrong in this moment or any moment except what you imagine or think?

~ Mooji

[Grizz Griswold]

The secret of salvation is but this: That you are doing this unto yourself....ACIM

[Wind]

"Anyone who is susceptible to beauty in music or place has a spiritual path ready-made for him."

"When one's love for another is of the highest type and leads to an expansion of understanding, compassion, and tolerance of others, he has glimpsed the greater purpose of personal love: how the surrender of his heart may lead to its opening to, and becoming united with, Universal Love."

Ever-present reality

"The Overself is here and now and always. It is everywhere and nowhere. It is the ever-present Reality. You must hold to that as the key thought. If you keep on thinking only in the human and intellectual way, you limit your progress. To develop your intuition is to transcend intellect. You will have to know yourself finally through your intuition and not alone through your intellect. At this very moment in your inner mind, if you wish, there is THAT which is the ever-present witness and which is the ONE. That means it is present in all the multitudes of separate selves, but itself is only one. It exists always in a state of perfect harmony, undisturbed. It is like the deep body of the ocean. The waves and the foam and the froth make a tremendous noise on the surface, but deep down all is still." - Paul Brunton

"All aspirations, battles and victories are confined to the realm of the waking and dream states only, which is the realm of dynamic consciousness.

Pervading and yet beyond the waking state and its activities lies unborn awareness, our true Self.

Know that whatever happens in life, the final point: Everything is fine, all is fine!" ♥

~ Mooji

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[Wind]

You are God's present being unwrapped.
Don't identify with the paper.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

Surrender is necessary

"Lose yourself if you would find yourself," said Jesus. Lose the false conception that the self is something by itself, able to stand separate and alone, capable of being regarded as an object knowable by you, the subject. Let this untruth go, and you will find the truth. Cease this identification with the personality, and you will find the Overself."

"It is a matter of changing his self-image, of moving over from the picture of a personal ego to the non-attempt to form any image at all, remaining quite literally free from any identification at all. It is not an active work of negating ego but a passive one of simply being, empty Being! For the ego will always strive to preserve itself, using when it must the most secret ways, full of cunning and pretense, camouflage and deceit. It takes into itself genuinely spiritual procedures and perverts or misuses them for its own advantage."

- Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

I feel like a gardener who is now maintaining this garden (thread) now, I hope that it is okay Chris. These daily quotes give so much inspiration and I wish to share them with you all.

There is an innocence in you that all the Saints and Prophets of all times and of all religions, are tirelessly pointing to. It is perfect and can never be lost.

Though for many it appears to be hidden, it can never be altered or destroyed,
for there is nothing apart from Itself.

It can only appear to be masked by the belief in personal identity and conditioning.
Through the urge for real understanding, the false is now being exposed, undone and replaced by the truth.

Come to this Altar with a heart of full devotion and openness.
Offer up yourself in service to the imperishable and keep quiet.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

Wind I am delighted that you are maintaining the thread.
I no longer have the responsibility of looking for material to post or looking after it.
Not that in reality I ever had to.
May this garden continue to flourish.
1500 visits this week.

Much love
Chris

[Wind]

Two views on individuality

"The essence of his human personality is a divine individuality."
"The "I" of the ego is supported by the "I" of the spiritual being, the spiritual self. Indeed the first derives its reality from the second and the second survives when the first passes away."

"The personal ego has its singularities and particularities, its present aims and past memories, its life within time, its own temperament and special characteristics. All this amounts to this: it is unique. The individuality is the highest, subtlest, and finest, even divinest part of being. It is out of time. It is pure essence, the other is a compounded entity. For it the hours do not pass; for the other there is a constant sequence, a moment-to-moment existence. Sometimes men catch a glimpse of it, this other self which is really their own best self and which is not something to be attained by a progression since it is forever present. It does not have or need thoughts. Every moment which they give to identifying themselves with it is their salvation. If this takes one far from kith and kin, from all speech with all persons, it also carries him into a diviner relationship and communication with them."

~ Paul Brunton

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[greybeard]

Bruce Lipton and Gregg Braden - two intellectual power houses interviewed together




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INLi9DfT7rg

[Wind]

"A mind filled with thoughts about things, persons, and events, with desires, passions, and moods, with worries, fears, and disturbances, is in no fit condition to make contact with that which transcends them all. It must first be quietened and emptied."

"Wrong personal intention may be negated by right intuitive guidance, but it is not easy to recognize the latter as such. The difference between a mere impulse and a real intuition may often be detected in two ways: first, by waiting a few days, as the subconscious mind has then a chance to offer help in deciding the matter; second, by noting the kind of emotion which accompanies the message. If the emotion is of the lower kind, such as anger, indignation, greed, or lust, it is most likely an impulse. If of the higher kind, such as unselfishness or forgiveness, it is most likely an intuition."

"To arrive at a simultaneous consciousness of both states--the personal ego and the impersonal Overself--is possible, and has been done intermittently by some people such as mystics and artists--or permanently by philosophers."

- Paul Brunton

[Shadowman]

The realization of enlightenment, or buddhahood, is difficult. And it is also not difficult. It is difficult if you start looking for it. It is not difficult if you simply sit down, settling within yourself in calmness, quietness, being just purely aware.

Then you are the buddha, then you are the enlightenment. It is not that you become enlightened, it is not your becoming. It is your very being, it is you in your simplest, spontaneous nature.

Enlightenment is your self-nature. - "Bodhidharma" by Osho


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl545RF6dXA


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[Guish]

The realization of enlightenment, or buddhahood, is difficult. And it is also not difficult. It is difficult if you start looking for it. It is not difficult if you simply sit down, settling within yourself in calmness, quietness, being just purely aware.

Then you are the buddha, then you are the enlightenment. It is not that you become enlightened, it is not your becoming. It is your very being, it is you in your simplest, spontaneous nature.

Enlightenment is your self-nature. - "Bodhidharma" by Osho


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl545RF6dXA


This reminds me of one of Bill's interviews. While meditating, one doesn't evolve but one goes back to one's own nature. It's about going back and not forward.

[Guish]

Bruce Lipton and Gregg Braden - two intellectual power houses interviewed together




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INLi9DfT7rg

That was an excellent interview Chris. Thanks for that.

[Guish]

Inner struggle.

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[greybeard]

Biology of Belief - by Bruce Lipton (full documentary)

BL: The new mechanism of evolution suggested by the new biology you describe in your book is one that
consists of repeating patterns of self-similarity; it is a pattern based upon fractal geometry*. The
significance of fractals is that they represent basic patterns that are iterated (repeated) over and over
again. If you can recognize a pattern at one level of the structure you can apply that awareness to
understand the patterns throughout the whole structure.
LG: Right, like the Fibonacci patterns** found in nature?
BL: Right, so basically the evolution of human civilization is self-similar the evolution of a single giant organism. We are *humans are the cells in that ' social' organism. The relevance is that human civilization will evolve through the phases that characterized the evolution of animals, Human civilization will go through evolutionary phases that are redundant to previous evolution patterns. For example, in
the evolution of vertebrate animals, the pattern provided for fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and
mammals, an evolutionary jump occurred between each of these major classes of organisms, Civilization
is in the process of such a jump now, as we are evolving from a reptilian-based civilization to a
mammalian-based civilization. The intellectual character of our culture's leadership is currently most
similar to that of reptilian behavior. And yet more advanced mammalian characters yourself and myself
are in the process of rewriting a new blueprint for civilization, different from the way we are living now.
Reptiles are 'conscious,' and do not express the trait of 'self-consciousness.' What that means is that
they live for the moment but they have no conception or vision about how their actions today affect
civilization tomoorow.

To read the whole interview please follow the link below.

http://www.brucelipton.com/files/theb...

http://www.brucelipton.com/biology-of...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjj0xVM4x1I

[Guish]

Biology of Belief - by Bruce Lipton (full documentary)

BL: The new mechanism of evolution suggested by the new biology you describe in your book is one that
consists of repeating patterns of self-similarity; it is a pattern based upon fractal geometry*. The
significance of fractals is that they represent basic patterns that are iterated (repeated) over and over
again. If you can recognize a pattern at one level of the structure you can apply that awareness to
understand the patterns throughout the whole structure.
LG: Right, like the Fibonacci patterns** found in nature?
BL: Right, so basically the evolution of human civilization is self-similar the evolution of a single giant organism. We are *humans are the cells in that ' social' organism. The relevance is that human civilization will evolve through the phases that characterized the evolution of animals, Human civilization will go through evolutionary phases that are redundant to previous evolution patterns. For example, in
the evolution of vertebrate animals, the pattern provided for fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and
mammals, an evolutionary jump occurred between each of these major classes of organisms, Civilization
is in the process of such a jump now, as we are evolving from a reptilian-based civilization to a
mammalian-based civilization. The intellectual character of our culture's leadership is currently most
similar to that of reptilian behavior. And yet more advanced mammalian characters yourself and myself
are in the process of rewriting a new blueprint for civilization, different from the way we are living now.
Reptiles are 'conscious,' and do not express the trait of 'self-consciousness.' What that means is that
they live for the moment but they have no conception or vision about how their actions today affect
civilization tomoorow.

To read the whole interview please follow the link below.

http://www.brucelipton.com/files/theb...

http://www.brucelipton.com/biology-of...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjj0xVM4x1I

Another excellent video. It reminds me of Louise L Hay. She battled her cancer by changing her beliefs. It goes back to what Budha said a long time ago. " we are what we think". I appreciate the scientific approach to explain the context. Thanks again, Chris.

[Guish]

Clarity of perception


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[Wind]

God can never be close.
God can never be close because it would mean that there is some place where God is not.
God is infinite. We cannot exist outside of the infinite.
Therefore, God is our Reality.

~ Mooji

[Chester]

Wind I am delighted that you are maintaining the thread.
I no longer have the responsibility of looking for material to post or looking after it.
Not that in reality I ever had to.
May this garden continue to flourish.
1500 visits this week.

Much love
Chris

When I begin to feel a little lonely or blue, guess where I go?

This thread... yes...

this thread

[Guish]

Another Alan Watts lecture.

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[Chester]

OK.... I can't help it -

"Wind!... you keep blowing me away!"

[Wind]

Chester, you sure are one funny fellow!

"It is the work of a lifetime to venture on such a great improvement of character as will place the lower self under our control, instead of our being controlled by it. We are likely to get disheartened at times by the seeming slowness of progress. This is partly because we are too apt to think in terms of this single incarnation only, whereas those who understand life's actual range think of it in terms of dozens and scores. Hence we have to learn a certain tolerant patience with ourselves, while at the same time maintaining an ardent aspiration for self-improvement and a critical attitude towards our weaknesses. This sounds contradictory but it is not really so. It is rather a matter of getting a proper balance between the two attitudes." - Paul Brunton

Here is a message from Mooji's Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/moojiji):

Dear Friends,

Sri Mooji and the sangha team are happy to share that we are currently working on a new book of quotes. As we focus on this new unfolding, we will be posting less frequently on Facebook for some time. Enjoy both the fresh quotes as they come in every few days as well as reflecting on those which have been posted daily over these past years.

Mooji embraces you in the Heart.

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[Wind]

How beautiful and rare to find one who is free of intentions, desires and needs.
One who has come to that state which is not driven by the urge to control existence or become anything.

One's mind comes to a beautiful place of openness, silence and peace.
In fact, one does not create such a state;

one simply stops identifying with the projections of the conditioned mind
and so comes to recognise and be one's true nature.

~ Mooji

[Mark]

I had a thought yesterday.

That succumbing to desire in any instance, for any reason, makes one susceptible to desire in all of its forms.

To live in this world and to accept the responsibility of maintaining one's life and commitment to others, to desire to make money, to desire to take care of children, to desire to love one person over another, is to leave the door open for all other desires to continually manifest within one's life.

That door, kept open, is the Pandora's box of experiential immersion and leads one continuously through the matrix, recounting the same tales in slightly different forms, revisiting the same lessons, at a slightly higher iteration. A honing process of sorts ensues as the presence enlightened makes choices prescient with deja vu, wandering in amazement as the differentiated scenery of life's passage takes on familiar hues and tones, sans deep, emotional intermingling within the experiences themselves.

Successive events bring further clarity, further sieving of egoic detritus, sometimes slow like the dripping of stalagtites, sometimes immediate, like the rush of a waterfall crashing into the ocean of creation itself.

Yet, the process is its own end. Desires melt away of their own volition, even despite the mental insistence of perceived necessity and any concern for societal or familial censure. Once the pathless path is consciously embarked upon, its continuation is guided only by the inevitability of the consciousness evolutionary process.

Just a thought.

[Shezbeth]

I disagree. Desires may change form or replace one with another, or appear to vanish entirely but one cannot be without desire. The desire to not succumb to desire is a desire none-the-less. The perception of having transcended desire is resultant of an expressed desire, not an absence of desire. The apparent absence of desire comes from an unwillingness to interpret desire, which equates to desire. Agreeably, there are more and less conducive desires, and further there are more and less onerous desires, but I contest the possibility of a complete absence.

One may seem to operate absent desire - from an experienced or observed standpoint - but to describe this as an absence of desire fails to account for the full meaning of 'desire'. Desire includes aspiration, intent, practice, and disposition. Even the absence of disposition is still a particular disposition.

[Mark]

There are millennia of sages, yogins and aspirants that might debate it with you, but I am not one. I think that this particular argument has been held many times before.

And that lived experience wins out over intellectualism every time. :)

[Shezbeth]

In what way is there a 'winning out'? Does increased conviction or lifelong adherence to a thought-form by one or more individuals equate to winning out? Are there not millennia of scholars, philosophers, and lauded wise men who would contest the ideas you posit?

Agreement with one (individual, idea, etc.) does not indicate the absence of either the existence or quality of the other, and there are pioneers on both sides who have achieved significance and extancy; whether one is seen as 'better' or 'preferable' is a subjective agreement by the perceiver and not due to any objective quality.

[Mark]

Thank you for the discussion. First, nowhere did I state that achieving a desireless state is possible or, 'desirable'. I never stated that "one cannot be without desire", and so the straw-man burns, as light concentrates into flames.

Second, I commented simply on the process of living, and the melting away of desires as one travels through them.

And finally, it is easy to be confounded by language. To spin in circles while watching words dance. So, experience is key.

[Mac]

Hi Shezbeth,what Mooji is alluding to is a state of being where there is no desire, aspiration, intent, practice,nor disposition.I completely understand wanting to challenge that because it is impossible to understand, convey and do justice to here in 5 mins .As uncomfortable as it is to say and hear, you have to of experienced it to understand.No words,pictures or audio can convey its fullness.
In this state no thing or being has purchase on you (in this world not of it) you don't want or need anything,you have to remember to eat there is no desire for food even.The base intelligence of your body is doing its thing and you soon realise that it doesn't need you getting in the way, and when you only resonate at your bodies baseline intelligence it is bliss/ pure love (although the words bliss and love don't do it justice as they can have many degrees of meaning) Your awareness is then free to expand and join the bigger consciousness.You have more energy than you have ever had before and your intelligence goes through the roof and anything you want to know is given/realised.
Don't take my word for it pick an enlightened guru of any religion/tradition and ask them.Choose the written testimony of any dead Guru/Master and read about it.Every religion and tradition try to deliver this state of being by raising your consciousness,or that was... is the idea.As many have said before you don't even need a religion to experience this.Most people think it sounds inhuman the perspective of no "desire" but this "peak space" is the true human state our natural state if you like,pre fall in the biblical sense.That said we are all equal those who know this and have experienced it from guru to accidental alchemist are no better than those that haven't,there is no spiritual hierarchy on Earth.The All/God you find doesn't want worship although you will energetically respect it,it just is there waiting until you get your being in the right place to be able to exist/be with it.As i said don't take my word for it pick a guru/master and ask them they will explain it far better than i can.rgrds

[Shezbeth]

Perhaps not directly, but your implication is quite pronounced by the statements 'Succumbing to desire...', 'Desires melt away...', etc. If succumbing to a desire leaves one open to desires, and the perception of a decrease or lack of desire is a desire, who is it spinning in circles then?

Confounded indeed. At what point does experience eliminate contradiction?

[Milneman]

I had a thought yesterday.

That succumbing to desire in any instance, for any reason, makes one susceptible to desire in all of its forms.

To live in this world and to accept the responsibility of maintaining one's life and commitment to others, to desire to make money, to desire to take care of children, to desire to love one person over another, is to leave the door open for all other desires to continually manifest within one's life.

That door, kept open, is the Pandora's box of experiential immersion and leads one continuously through the matrix, recounting the same tales in slightly different forms, revisiting the same lessons, at a slightly higher iteration. A honing process of sorts ensues as the presence enlightened makes choices prescient with deja vu, wandering in amazement as the differentiated scenery of life's passage takes on familiar hues and tones, sans deep, emotional intermingling within the experiences themselves.

Successive events bring further clarity, further sieving of egoic detritus, sometimes slow like the dripping of stalagtites, sometimes immediate, like the rush of a waterfall crashing into the ocean of creation itself.

Yet, the process is its own end. Desires melt away of their own volition, even despite the mental insistence of perceived necessity and any concern for societal or familial censure. Once the pathless path is consciously embarked upon, its continuation is guided only by the inevitability of the consciousness evolutionary process.

Just a thought.


What about a desire to draw breath?

[Mark]

It is a hard thing to say,Tooloud. To experience a desireless state and then to return to the every day world with some part of that still intact and resonating within you. It is a hard thing to hear, for people to believe it is possible. The observer manifest, more a part of waking consciousness than ever before. To understand that people will argue and fight about it. Will deny its possibility. Will consider you a Fakir, deny your lived experience, seek ulterior motives and lambast you and your character.

I suppose it is the human way. As a scholar, Shezbeth, I am very well aware of the tradition of debate and the contestation of ideas in the arena of knowledge-gathering. Much of it, intellectual masturbation.

It is much simpler to allow people to hold their beliefs, until they experience something different in the arena of consciousness for themselves. Experience it, and bring it back with them into lived reality. To engage the world within the center of that sphere of peace that comes with the certain knowledge of the eternal state of existence and allow all to be as it is, all to be as they are.

[Mark]

Perhaps not directly, but your implication is quite pronounced by the statements 'Succumbing to desire...', 'Desires melt away...', etc. If succumbing to a desire leaves one open to desires, and the perception of a decrease or lack of desire is a desire, who is it spinning in circles then?

Confounded indeed. At what point does experience eliminate contradiction?

What you see is what you are. The interpretations you bring to my words reveal your own inclinations and leanings, not necessarily my intent or even, implication.

Experience reveals that life is paradox. That contradiction is the very stuff of life itself. The hermetic laws approach this simply, by stating that opposition is an illusion, generally indicative of varying degrees of sameness. Or, different qualities of the same phenomenon. So experience, often, embraces and accepts contradiction as part and parcel of the processes of living themselves.

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What about a desire to draw breath?

Is that a desire?

At this point, perhaps it would be helpful, to define the word:

Desire: to long or hope for : exhibit or feel desire for <desire success>
2
a : to express a wish for : request <they desire an immediate answer>
b archaic : to express a wish to : ask
3
obsolete : invite
4
archaic : to feel the loss of

[Shezbeth]

in this world not of it

Do explain exactly what that means if you wouldn't mind. What all-encompassing aspect of 'this world' is one not? For the record, I am not contesting Mooji's statements; I will address him when I am in direct communication. My comments were in immediate response to Rahkyt's, which I assumed was easy to interpret as they immediately followed. Forgive me for not spelling it out.


Don't take my word for it pick an enlightened guru of any religion/tradition and ask them.Choose the written testimony of any dead Guru/Master and read about it.

I have studied many gurus - past and present - and at the end of the day all one really has are individuals with ideas they are convicted to. Quality can be perceived in any practice, dogma, or tradition; east, west, north, south. Krishna is at odds with Gautama, Confucius disagrees with Jesus, the list goes on. Even amongst Buddhists (followers of Buddha/Buddhism) there is a great schism of perception, practice, and disposition. Please indicate for me which (you perceive) is enlightened and which is 'not'.


this "peak space" is the true human state our natural state if you like,pre fall in the biblical sense

And what of the gnostics who claim that there was no fall, that what is referred to as such is the authoritarian response of a relative tyrant?


As i said don't take my word for it pick a guru/master and ask them they will explain it far better than i can.

Again, I have studied many gurus, but have found no masters save one, which resides within. Listening to stories can be entertaining and actionable but when the source is within, why would one seek without to find it?

[Mac]

There is no desire to breathe your desires are not governing breathing.Your body has the built in intelligence that covers all the vital functions.peace btw that's me done as there is not much more i could add to debating this unless the thread takes a different angle..wont hold my breath though .... as my body keeps making me breathe 8)

[Mac]

Yes that's right Shezbeth the teacher is within and that is what they all will tell you.Instead of looking for difference look at what they are all saying and the common ground..it is the same thing surely you can see this.This has to be realised so i can't really help you any further if you rail against it..which to be fair is what i would do if i was you..frustrating isn't it. rgrds

[Shezbeth]

An excellent observation both Milneman and Rahkyt!

Life is a contradiction, I have said so before and I agree with your statement hence. It is largely for this reason that I contest your statements of a diminishing of desire. I agree that one can continue to breathe without consciously desiring to do so, but consciousness is not the question; the question is does one desire (hope for) a continuance of breath, and is that not evidenced by said continuance? Can only the dead be said to not desire to breathe, and for that matter can only the dead be said to lack desire?

[Mark]

I suppose some might say that only the Final Liberation will result in the total cessation of desire. Not even the Buddha achieved full liberation during his lifetime, I have read. So these varying degrees of "sameness", of "opposition", of levels of attainment and enlightenment all represent the struggle against increasingly rarefied levels of desire that most probably rise or fall all the way back up to or down to the level of Source. My friend - and friend to many here - Another Bob, in response to my posting my original comment above in another space a bit earlier, had only the following quote to offer:


“God is in himself so exalted that he is beyond the reach of either knowledge or desire. Desire extends further than anything that can be grasped by knowledge. It is wider than the whole of the heavens, than all angels, even though everything that lives on earth is contained in the spark of a single angel. Desire is wide, immeasurably so. But nothing that knowledge can grasp or desire can want, is God. Where knowledge and desire end, there is darkness, and there God shines.”

~ Meister Eckhart

In response, I said Yes. And, in lieu of having arrived at that space of shifting we call death myself, I can only say again, experience, is key. :)

[Shezbeth]

I suppose some might say that only the Final Liberation will result in the total cessation of desire. Not even the Buddha achieved full liberation during his lifetime, I have read. So these varying degrees of "sameness", of "opposition", of levels of attainment and enlightenment all represent the struggle against increasingly rarefied levels of desire that most probably rise or fall all the way back up to or down to the level of Source. My friend - and friend to many here - Another Bob, in response to my posting my original comment above in another space a bit earlier, had only the following quote to offer:


“God is in himself so exalted that he is beyond the reach of either knowledge or desire. Desire extends further than anything that can be grasped by knowledge. It is wider than the whole of the heavens, than all angels, even though everything that lives on earth is contained in the spark of a single angel. Desire is wide, immeasurably so. But nothing that knowledge can grasp or desire can want, is God. Where knowledge and desire end, there is darkness, and there God shines.”

~ Meister Eckhart

In response, I said Yes. And, in lieu of having arrived at that space of shifting we call death myself, I can only say again, experience, is key. :)

Thank you for that clarification; that I agree with. ^_^

[Mac]

It is a hard thing to say,Tooloud. To experience a desireless state and then to return to the every day world with some part of that still intact and resonating within you." .....to answer "In this world not of it"
Rakyht covers that in the quoted line, to maintain it is very hard because of society's mentality.
As for the fall if there was one it was obviously this state we fell from imo.Can i prove it no.peace

[Wind]

Most interesting discussion here. I'll just add the latest quotes from Paul Brunton. :)

"A man must find holiness in his own mind before he can find it in any place, be it church, ashram, monastery, or temple. He must love it so much that he constantly thinks about it, or thinks about it so much that he begins to love it, before he can find its real quality anywhere."

"The mysterious character of the (Over)Self inevitably puzzles the intellect. We may appreciate it better if we accept the paradoxical fact that it unites a duality and that therefore there are two ways of thinking of it, both correct. There is the divine being which is entirely above all temporal concerns, absolute and universal, and there is also the demi-divine being which is in historical relation with the human ego."

[Shezbeth]

I appreciate when Krishna speaks of the path of 'Right Thinking' and the path of 'Right Action'. Neither path go in the same direction, but lead invariably to the same source; one path is appropriate for some and detrimental to others, and the inverse is also true.

[Agape]

What about a desire to draw breath?

I would say yes , for genuine spiritual seeker and meditator it's inevitable question to face , after eliminating many of the other moves and intents of mental and/or physical category .
You're bound to meet this . I breathe because I am alive because I want to be alive here . I am here on my own wish . Then go over this many times yet in different forms ..only to ascertain that you really are here as a result of your innate desire /intent and the intent is deep enough to be responsible for this whole coarse human body manifestation, this human form .

According to yoga philosophy which is by the way , more straight in approach and older in tradition than most recorded sources .. including the Vedas perhaps ..

the nature of Life itself is light ( energy ) and mind ( consciousness ) and the resonance of the two manifests as 'life' = bliss which is what desire is part of .. In another words you'd say even 'happiness' .
To be - naturally - is to be happy . There's something happy about being here .. even though it's subtle 'happy' and not always entirely or even seldom, entirely the palpable happy . After all, the intelligence and light and bliss of life is said to be subtle ;)


And well , one reason why yoga tantras hold the precept as ''never give up on the path of desire'' .

Better find out what is that you truly want ...



:panda:

[Mac]

“Right Thinking” means not to be inclined toward a self centered attitude but to think of things rightly, from a higher standpoint. This teaches us to abandon the “three evils of the mind,” covetousness, resentment, and evil-mindedness, and to think of things with as generous a mind as the Buddha. More precisely, these three evils are the greedy mind (covetousness) that thinks only of one's own gain; the angry mind (resentment) that does not like it when things do not turn out as one wishes; and the evil mind (evil-mindedness) that wants to have its own way in everything." .....The Eightfold Path..... ---------ps My toothache has eased so off to try get to sleep now AGAIN! peace n thanks

[Agape]

P.S. : Then there's also this good meditation : of sitting and watching the present body mind complex as a result of your past intents , and thinking .. look at the results of my karma ;) peeling off in front of my eyes, how long is it going to take yet ..

[Shezbeth]

“Right Thinking” means not to be inclined toward a self centered attitude but to think of things rightly, from a higher standpoint.

You could be right, but that does not fit with the context I was speaking which is the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita. In this case right thinking is prescribed as a disposition that is not dejected in sorrow, nor exultant in joy (etc. etc.). Be careful of applying one traditions teachings to the terminology/context of another, as this is an easy way to develop misinterpretation (especially given the incredible difficulty of translation!), but that's perhaps a discussion for another thread.

:focus:

[greybeard]

Its right not to mix teachings, as while there is some commonality, the same word translated, can take on different subtle meanings.
My thoughts on desire.
Desire is some what stronger than preference and from the teaching of Ramana and quite a few others it seems that a desire-less state is possible.
Trouble is the different levels of the same consciousness.
There is no such thing as a desire-less human being--- enlightened being is arguably not human as there is no person in that state.
I agree that desires drop away.
A short example
I have played music with friends for years---then the one I recorded with left Inverness---I was ok with not playing again.
Out of the blue a new guitarist--eminently suitable appeared in my life.
He actually lives ten houses up in this street, has done for years, I had never seen him before.
I had not wished for or looked for this to happen
Im pleased it has.

I have found that pressing desires have gone---needs if you can call them that, just get met without striving.
There are a few unmet preferences but im ok with that.
Good to see all the interaction on the thread.

Chris

[Mac]

The Christian,Buddhist,Hindu etc enlightenment is the same state of being.The journey is irrelevant, i understand this is hard to grasp as we all like things neat and tidy.If people can get there with no religion how can any one be right.You can mix and match or start a new religion based on tree climbing, and if you manage to get your body and soul in the right place it will happen.Some Women get there through child birth,musicians and artists can get there through their passions,science too.Selflessness is the key, and endless semantics and dogma keeps us from it.
That said i understand the need to keep your guru or religions teachings sacred and intact but once they have delivered their intended purpose they become respectfully irrelevant and you beautifully see them (all) for what they are,divine and sacred wisdom but still just somebody's take/journey.Enlightenment is where all our religions come from (some have been hijacked for control and by understandable ignorance imo) via people who have been there and then try and help others get there.The subtle variations are just that and not worth wasting energy on.Once you have been where the guru/master has been most see the bigger perspective.rgrds
ps first time i have seen this discussed on the net without drama..respect

[greybeard]

Thanks for noting this Tooloud Ferme "ps first time i have seen this discussed on the net without drama..respect"
I dont think you will find any disrespectful posts on the whole thread.
Very pleased to have you and all others posting in a meaningful, considerate way.

Chris

[Mac]

Thanks Chris,needed to hear that I'm not coming across as disrespectful, as this medium has its pitfalls.
Rgrds James

[Wind]

Suffering and wisdom

"The lessons which life, guided by infinite intelligence and invested with infinite power as it is, seeks to make available to us through the turning wheel of destiny may bring suffering but they also bring the wisdom which will shield us from suffering in the future. This is possible only if we accept the suffering as self-earned, humbly study its lesson, and set to work on self-improvement. But if we are too proud, too weak, too foolish to receive the lesson, then the same suffering will reappear again and again in later years or later lives until we do. It will come as before through the same evens, at the right time and in the right place. Whether it is life that punishes us through its eternal laws or we through our disobedience to them, we cannot dodge the step to the mounted."

- Paul Brunton

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[Milneman]

Perhaps not directly, but your implication is quite pronounced by the statements 'Succumbing to desire...', 'Desires melt away...', etc. If succumbing to a desire leaves one open to desires, and the perception of a decrease or lack of desire is a desire, who is it spinning in circles then?

Confounded indeed. At what point does experience eliminate contradiction?

What you see is what you are. The interpretations you bring to my words reveal your own inclinations and leanings, not necessarily my intent or even, implication.

Experience reveals that life is paradox. That contradiction is the very stuff of life itself. The hermetic laws approach this simply, by stating that opposition is an illusion, generally indicative of varying degrees of sameness. Or, different qualities of the same phenomenon. So experience, often, embraces and accepts contradiction as part and parcel of the processes of living themselves.

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What about a desire to draw breath?

Is that a desire?

At this point, perhaps it would be helpful, to define the word:

Desire: to long or hope for : exhibit or feel desire for <desire success>
2
a : to express a wish for : request <they desire an immediate answer>
b archaic : to express a wish to : ask
3
obsolete : invite
4
archaic : to feel the loss of

You're a scholar and you're just defining your terms? tsk tsk tsk ;)

Hold your breath for as long as you can. In fact, refuse to breathe. I bet within two minutes you will have a very great desire to draw breath. ;) Just saying.

[Shadowman]

The difficulty regarding desires is conflating reality with unreality.

The Body/Mind (which has the illusion of being a separate entity) may be said to desire breath, among other things.

The Absolute Reality, or Self, or Plenary Awareness, neither breathes, nor desires breath.

The conceptual illusion of Ego, identifies with the multi-dimensional illusion of Body/Mind.

Neither are real.

Still or make quiescent that which spins the web of illusion, the mind, and Absolute Reality is realized.

You cannot reason your way into Heaven. Reality is beyond rational or logical understanding.

Repentance ie Grk Metanoia has been translated as to change one's thinking (from bad to good)

A more accurate translation of Meta (change) noia (thinking) is Meta (beyond) noia (thinking).

Pure Awareness is that which transcend's the mind. You are THAT.


To know the world you forget your Self
To know your Self you forget the world

Reality cannot be proved or disproved.
Within the mind you cannot,
beyond the mind you need not

I am all. As myself all is real.
Apart from me nothing is real

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj



Bhagavad Gita 13:30

One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the Self does nothing, actually sees.

Namaste,
tim

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metanoia?s=t
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/meta-
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/-noia

[Shadowman]

The following tale adds context to the previous post;

Just a few days ago, a man in the part of Kashmir occupied by Pakistan, for the third time deceived his friends, his colleagues, his family. At the age of one hundred and thirty-five, he died for the third time. People were very suspicious because two times before he had played the trick; he died. Diagnosed by the doctors as dead, certified as dead, he woke up, opened his eyes and started laughing. So when he died this time, people were very cautious. Doctors were very cautious, but there was every certainty of his death; there was no question.

They said, "Perhaps before he may have deceived you, but this time he is certainly dead. As far as medical science can know, he fulfills every requirement of a dead man." And the moment the certificate was signed by three doctors, the man opened his eyes, started laughing and said, "Listen, next time when I am going to die, I am going to REALLY die. I just thought one time more ...."

That part of Kashmir occupied by Pakistan has the longest living people in India and Pakistan. One hundred and twenty is very ordinary, normal. One hundred and fifty you can find; it is not so normal, but still there are hundreds of people who have passed one hundred and fifty. And there are a few rare cases who have reached one hundred and eighty years of age and they are still young; they are still working in their fields.

And this man has been questioned by newspapers, by journalists from all over the world, because he is a rare man; three times certified dead and three times he has defied all medical knowledge, all medical science. And they asked, "What have you been doing? What happens?"

He said, "Nothing -- because I am not my body. I know it; and I am not my breathing, I know it; and I am not my heart, I know it -- I am beyond all these. I simply slip into the beyond. The heart stops, the pulse stops, the breathing stops, and you are all befooled. Then I slip back again into the body, the blood starts running again, the pulse starts working again and the heart starts beating again."

He is a simple man, a farmer. He is not a yogi; he has never practiced anything. But just when he was a very young child, not more than seven or eight years old, he came in contact with a Sufi mystic who told him that death is an illusion. And he was so innocent that he accepted it.

The Sufi mystic said to him, "There is a very simple way to slip out of your body. Just watch it from inside; watch the body and suddenly there will come more and more distance between you and your body. Soon the body will be miles away. Watch the mind and the same will happen with the mind.

"You simply remain a watcher and you will be able to slip out of the body, out of the mind, out of this whole personality. And it is within your control to comeback. Because you have slipped out, you know the way you slipped out. So you know the way to come back in. And the way is that by watching, you slipped out -- now stop watching. Become identified with the body. Say, `I am the body, I am the mind, I am the breathing, I am the heart beating.' Immediately the distance will disappear. You will come closer and soon you will slip back into the body."

Identifying yourself with the body, you become the body. Then you are a mortal. Then there is fear of death. Non-identifying with the body, you are just a watcher, you are just a pure consciousness, a no-mind. And there is no death and there is no disease and there is no old age. As far as your witnessing is concerned, it is eternal and it is always fresh and young and the same. - From "Bodhidharma" by Osho

In Lak'ech,
tim

[Guish]

Budha wouldn't be Budha if he didn't desire to be Budha. There is nothing wrong with desires. Wisdom is the essence.

[Grizz Griswold]

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“As you watch your mind, you discover your self as the watcher. When you stand motionless, only watching, you discover your self as the light behind the watcher. The source of light is dark, unknown is the source of knowledge. That source alone is. Go back to that source and abide there.
"I Am That" - pg 188”
― Nisargadatta Maharaj

Blessings.

barry

[greybeard]

Currently reading Nasargadatta's book "I am That"
Christ said much the same---"Be still etc"
There is commonality in all the enlightened teaching.

The person is an imposter claiming to be you.
There is so separate self/person.
God became all without diminishing Himself.

The mind cant get this---best be quiet.

Chris

[Mark]

Quiet is good, yes, Greybeard. It is best.

Great convo, filled with pearls of wisdom. Words ... again ... so tricky. We use a word that we think means something that it does not. Or, we do not apply the same meaning to a word that another might who reads our words, or whose words we read. So temporary misunderstanding ensues.

This is not to say that discussion is futile. But then again, it is. Paradox once again, and ever. Both are correct. It is the process, the illusion of time passing, of movement toward a goal within a greater static context of no-movement, the destination already arrived at, the knowledge already known. Of what use, then, is it.

To educate and inform the mind? To influence the experience? Most certainly. To bring down to time and space that which is eternal and infinite. To bring within the bubble of our lives, that which girds it, forms it, is its beginning, its continuation and its end.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKnpPCQyUec

The conclusion, reached after much discussion, ends up being the same and it is found that the same understanding is held, but obscured originally by ... words and their interpretations. It's a bit hokey, and not to get into a discussion about grammar, but the idea of words as spells (spelling) is one that deserves consideration, as they are so powerful.

Silence is a great teacher. When a person of considerable inner strength deigns to share words, they are often quiet powerful and act as a spell upon those who hear or read them, influencing thought, other people's words, actions and outcomes.

[Wind]

Conquering desire

"It is admittedly painful to tear one's will away from one's desires but it is still more painful to have it torn away by life's experiences. Hence, the philosophical method to conquer desire is a twofold one. We must let it wear itself out by submitting to it through experience and letting it come up against inevitable disappointment, disillusionment, or suffering whilst alongside this we must become reflectively and analytically aware of its causes, self-deceptions, and consequences. It is a matter of gradually letting the desires lose their intensity until we become free of them not through their forcible renunciation nor through the long-drawn process of waiting for old age to come but through the process of learning to live more and more within the satisfactory beatitude of the Overself. We give up our desires not by negating them but partly by comprehending their mechanistic cause and mentalistic nature and partly by superseding them with the exalted peace of the Overself." - Paul Brunton

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"Limited in his nature, infinite in his desire, man is a fallen god who remembers heaven."

- Alphonse de Lamartine

From the end of Dante's Divine Comedy (Paradiso):

"Finally, Dante comes face-to-face with God Himself. God appears as three equally large circles occupying the same space, representing the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit:"

"Within these circles Dante can discern the human form of Christ. The Divine Comedy ends with Dante trying to understand how the circles fit together, and how the humanity of Christ relates to the divinity of the Son but, as Dante puts it, "that was not a flight for my wings." In a flash of understanding, which he cannot express, Dante does finally see this, and his soul becomes aligned with God's love:"


"But already my desire and my will
were being turned like a wheel, all at one speed,
by the Love which moves the sun and the other stars."

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[Wind]

"What today is believed abnormal will, in a civilization ahead of ours, be regarded as quite natural. I refer to the transcendental experience."

"The quest is to be walked alone. Yet although this means that one must have a solitary and creedless path if the Word is to be said, the Touch is to come, the Glimpse is to be seen, or the Feeling of the presence is to enter awareness, the gracious revelation is the sacred compensation."

"In the moment that a man willingly deserts his habitual standpoint under a trying situation and substitutes this higher one, in that moment he receives Grace. With this reception a miracle is performed and the evil of the lower standpoint is permanently expelled from his character. The situation itself both put him to the proof and gave him his chance…"

~ Paul Brunton

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[greybeard]

Grace What is it?

It seems grace is always available, its not that you earn it, more that you are ready to receive it.

If your into "My way or no way"

Then Grace might come in the form of a clear example that your extreme will does not work.
(Thy will not my will be done)

By Grace you get that which opens the door to spiritual progress.

It can be something like alcoholism, a difficult relationship, a seemingly impossible situation---whatever.

Any opportunity to surrender to "what is", could be considered Grace.

You get to realise that which is really important.

For example---getting to know who wants X,Y&Z---who asks the question--"Who am I?"
When the answer to that one comes, its "Job done"

Chris

[Chester]

my silly cosmology....

God was.

Then God became bored.

God desired not to be bored so all possibility came forth. Unfortunately one of the possibilities in all possibility was instant annihilation.

So God then invented Love and Love has held Life together ever since.

Did the Light bulb go off?

Apologies - back to Simon's thread...

[Chester]

Grace What is it?

It seems grace is always available, its not that you earn it, more that you are ready to receive it.

If your into "My way or no way"

Then Grace might come in the form of a clear example that your extreme will does not work.
(Thy will not my will be done)

By Grace you get that which opens the door to spiritual progress.

It can be something like alcoholism, a difficult relationship, a seemingly impossible situation---whatever.

Any opportunity to surrender to "what is", could be considered Grace.

You get to realise that which is really important.

For example---getting to know who wants X,Y&Z---who asks the question--"Who am I?"
When the answer to that one comes, its "Job done"

Chris

Ok... back to earth -

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Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.

Through many dangers, toils and snares
We have already come;
'Tis Grace that brought us safe thus far
and Grace will lead us home.

and Grace will lead us home.

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

Was blind, but now I see.

[Wind]

To me God represent love. Love is God and God is love! We are here because of Love.

It could be said that the real spiritual journey is from the head to the Heart. However, the Heart does not know any distance or journeys. It is only the head that imagines such things as journeys, trips, tricks and traps. And I am so happy when one sees that one's true Self has always been perfectly happy, peaceful and complete.
It is the greatest mystery in the world, but I wonder... for whom?

~ Mooji

[Wind]

On the subject of desire.

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[Wind]

”How am I to start upon this process of true self-knowledge?” The answer begins with this: first adopt the right attitude. Believe in the divinity of your deeper self. Stop looking elsewhere for light, stop wandering hither and thither for power... Engrave on your heart the high phrases: ”I possess illimitable power within me; I can create a diviner life and truer vision than I now possess.”

Do this and then surrender your body, your heart and mind to the Infinite Power which sustains all. Strive to obey Its inward promptings and then declare your readiness to accept whatsoever lot it assigns you. This is your challenge to the gods and they will surely answer you. Your soul will be slowly or suddenly liberated; your body will be granted a freer pathway through conditions…

By "Quest" I mean the deliberate and conscious dedication to the search for spiritual truth, freedom, or awareness.

"It is a brave struggle for freedom, a noble refusal to be the ego's puppet or the animal-self's victim, a fine resolve to win strength from weakness.

"This is the only way whereby man can impregnably demonstrate to himself the illustrious dignity of his true being. This is the only way he can obtain the power of living in and by himself, that is, of living in the only real freedom possible on this earth."

He who finds the Overself, loses the burdens, the miseries, and the fears of the ego.

~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

True Peace

"Jesus' saying "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest" means: "Cast aside your burden of attachments, desires, thoughts; then the real I-nature will alone be left, and you will have true peace, rest from the ego's heaviness."

~ Paul Brunton


"An important message that will ring true too many people, spoken by the late philosopher Alan Watts."

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[Shezbeth]

in this world not of it

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72762-The-Most-Astounding-Fact&p=850542&viewfull=1#post850542

Sorry if I seem to be fixating, but the linked thread/video does an excellent job of alluding to something I would like to touch on a bit more.

One cannot be in something and not of it. In a matter of philosophical perspective, I can understand the reasoning by which such a conclusion is reached, but that belies the underlying mechanics and physics. One cannot be 'in the world and not of it' because both the world and the one are of the universe. All things are comprised of the same 'stuff' when you get right down to it. Regardless of where one's awareness is centered, their forus is directed, etc. the fundamental 'ness' of all things is the same. They have the same origins, the same dynamics, and the same processes. Moreover, it is a misnomer to describe one's self as being 'in' the world at all! Obviously one is operating on the planet, and within the atmospheric and systemic structures of the planet, and even all that is illusory; albeit a persistent one.

It would seem that the 'world' is the preeminent illusion, and that being 'in' the illusion is less preferable to being 'of' the illusion. 'Of' implies an origin or previous state, while 'in' implies a present and/or current state. To wit, it would seem that one who is 'in' the world but not 'of' the world is going in a less-conducive direction; far better to be 'of' the world but not 'in' it IMO.

[Wind]

"Nothing that you do can bring about this wonderful transformation, for it is not the result of effort. It does not depend on the power of your will or the strength of your desire. It is something which can only be done to you, not by you. It is the result of your absorption by another and higher Force. It depends on Grace. It is more elusive yet more satisfying than anything else in life."

~ Paul Brunton

[Mac]

Didn't click the link shezbeth as net slow loading for some reason.Anyway yes that works for me too, "in" instead of "of".I suppose what i meant was not being down with the current materialistic values and wants of our present society,it holds no appeal whatsoever and seems insane so a dilemma to negotiate.Would also add this subject doesn't suit being too literal or semantic about as i think i may of said above,as a lot of it is a distraction and pointless imo.Can't really add much more and " a lot of the "yeh buts" are best contemplated by ourselves and it's usually a case of phrasing the question right which invariably delivers the answer. Rgrds

[Wind]

Satsang is to make you empty again.
Only in emptiness are you relieved of your suffering.
Only from here is your seeing panoramic.
And it is not a practice.
All that has to happen is that I strip you of all concepts.
Then you don’t have to be convinced by me that you are the emptiness.
You will be convinced naturally. Spontaneously.
It is just the outcome of true seeing.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

'What 'Is' cannot be lost, It cannot even be found. The seeker will not be a finder, but will be absorbed in Truth itself. It is most natural.

Yet it can manifest in different ways, as a passionate discovery, as an explosion, as an emplosion, as almost nothing happened.

The Self is not a happening. The happening is only the recognition of it. It has always been - here - as the Source of this manifest world.'

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[Wind]

"The way out of the to-and-fro wanderings of his moods, to spirit and then away from it, is to accept the double nature of his being and the double polarity of Nature, the double viewpoint of truth and the double aspects of God. Then struggles cease and harmony prevails. There is then no warlike confrontation within himself, but peaceful reconciliation."

~ Paul Brunton


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[Wind]

The heart of joy

"Compassion is the highest moral value, the noblest human feeling, the purest creature-love. It is the final social expression of man's divine soul. For he is able to feel with and for another man only because both are in reality related in harmony by the presence of that soul in each one.

Just as the word compassion is so often mistaken for a foolish and weak sentimentality, so the words egolessness, unselfishness, and unself-centeredness are equally mistaken for what they are not. They are so often thought to mean nonseparateness from other individuals or the surrender of personal rights to other individuals or the setting aside of duty to ourself for the sake of serving other individuals. This is often wrong. The philosophical meaning of egoism is that attitude of separateness not from another individual on the same imperfect level as ourself but from the one universal life-power which is behind all individuals on a deeper level than them all. We are separated from that infinite mind when we allow the personal ego to rule us, when we allow the personal self to prevent the one universal self from entering our field of awareness. The sin lies in separating ourselves in consciousness from this deeper power and deeper being which is at the very root of all selves.

More than four hundred years before Jesus' time, Mo Tzu was teaching the Chinese that "if everyone in the world would practise universal love, then the whole world would enjoy peace and order." But he also took care to teach them to rise above the emotions, and to understand by this kind of love a state of mind, not a state of emotion.

If you investigate the matter deeply enough and widely enough, you will find that happiness eludes nearly all men despite the fact that they are forever seeking it. The fortunate and successful few are those who have stopped seeking with the ego alone and allow the search to be directed inwardly by the higher self. They alone can find a happiness unblemished by defects or deficiencies, a Supreme Good which is not a further source of pain and sorrow but an endless source of satisfaction and peace.

He will be honest enough to admit that he does care if things are going wrong, if possessions are falling away, and if his desires are ending in frustration instead of fulfilment. But he will also be wise enough to declare that he knows that peace of mind is still worth seeking despite these disappointments and that intuitions of the Overself are no less necessary to his happiness and well-being than are the comforts of this world.

If the divine presence is dwelling at the core of his mind, then the divine bliss, peace, and strength are dwelling at the core of his mind too. Why then should he let outward troubles rob him of the chance to share them? Why should he let only the troubles enter his consciousness, and withdraw all attention from the bliss and peace and strength? The conditions of this world are subject to the cosmic law of change. They are temporary. But the bright core within him is not. Why then give a permanent meaning to those conditions by a total surrender to the sadness they cause?

It is always hard to watch others who are near and dear to him suffer, but he must not let go of his own inner faith and peace, however little they be, because of having to witness such suffering. It ought not to take him by surprise if he remembers that earthly life is usually a mixture of pleasure and pain, and that only in the Overself is there lasting happiness.

Love of the divine is our primary duty. Love of our neighbour is only a secondary one."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Shabd_Mystic]

"Do not think that enlightenment is going to make you special, it’s not. If you feel special in any way, then enlightenment has not occurred. I meet a lot of people who think they are enlightened and awake simply because they have had a very moving spiritual experience. They wear their enlightenment on their sleeve like a badge of honor. They sit among friends and talk about how awake they are while sipping coffee at a cafe. The funny thing about enlightenment is that when it is authentic, there is no one to claim it. Enlightenment is very ordinary; it is nothing special. Rather than making you more special, it is going to make you less special. It plants you right in the center of a wonderful humility and innocence. Everyone else may or may not call you enlightened, but when you are enlightened the whole notion of enlightenment and someone who is enlightened is a big joke. I use the word enlightenment all the time; not to point you toward it but to point you beyond it. Do not get stuck in enlightenment.”

~ Adyashanti

[Wind]

Since meditation forms an essential part of the Quest's practices, a part of the day must be given up to it. It need not be a large part; it can be quite a small part. The attitude with which we approach it should not be one of irksome necessity but of loving eagerness.

We may have to try different periods of the day so as to find the one that will best suit us and our circumstances. This, however, is only for beginners and intermediates, for one day we shall find that any time is good enough for meditation time just as every day is Sunday to the true Christian.

The more inert the ego can be during this exercise, and the more passively it rests before the Overself, the fuller will be the latter's entry. Obviously this condition cannot be achieved during the first stage, that of conscious effort and struggle with distractions.

This momentary glimpse of the Overself provides the real beginning of his quest. The uninterrupted realization of it provides the final ending. - Paul Brunton

I must admit, I am a bit lazy when it comes to practices. I meditate only when I feel like doing so it has not become a ritual of mine. I prefer prayer more often, it is a holy thing for me. Conscious awareness too. In the book Who Am I (http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/who_am_I.pdf) Ramana Maharshi said this about self-inquiry:

How will the mind become quiescent?

By the inquiry ‘Who am I?’. The thought ‘who am I?’ will destroy all other thoughts, and like thestick used for stirring the burning pyre, it will itself in the end get destroyed. Then, there will arise Self-realization.

What is the means for constantly holding on to the thought ‘Who am I?’

When other thoughts arise, one should not pursue them, but should inquire: ‘To whom do they arise?’ It does not matter how many thoughts arise. As each thought arises, one should inquire with diligence, “To whom has this thought arisen?”. The answer that would emerge would be “To me”. Thereupon if one inquires “Who am I?”, the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will become quiescent.

With repeated practice in this manner, the mind will develop the skill to stay in its source. When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the sense-organs, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the heart, the names and forms disappear. Not letting the mind go out, but retaining it in the Heart is what is called “inwardness” (antar-mukha).

Letting the mind go out of the Heart is known as “externalisation” (bahir-mukha). Thus,when the mind stays in the Heart, the ‘I’ which is the source of all thoughts will go, and the Self which ever exists will shine. Whatever one does, one should do without the egoity “I”. If one acts in that way, all will appear as of the nature of Siva (God).

Are there no other means for making the mind quiescent?

Other than inquiry, there are no adequate means. If through other means it is sought to control the mind, the mind will appear to be controlled, but will again go forth. Through the control of breath also, the mind will become quiescent; but it will be quiescent only so long as the breath remains controlled, and when the breath resumes the mind also will again start moving and will wander as impelled by residual impressions.

The source is the same for both mind and breath. Thought, indeed, is the nature of the mind. The thought “I” is the first thought of the mind; and that is egoity. It is from that whence egoity originates that breath also originates. Therefore, when the mind becomes quiescent, the breath is controlled, and when the breath is controlled the mind becomes quiescent. But in deep sleep, although the mind becomes quiescent, the breath does not stop. This is because of the will of God, so that the body may be preserved and other people may not be under the impression that it is dead.

In the state of waking and in samadhi, when the mind becomes quiescent the breath is controlled. Breath is the gross form of mind. Till the time of death, the mind keeps breath in the body; and when the body dies the mind takes the breath along with it. Therefore, the exercise of breath control is only an aid for rendering the mind quiescent (manonigraha); it will not destroy the mind (manonasa). Like the practice of breath-control. meditation on the forms of God, repetition of mantras, restriction on food, etc., are but aids for rendering the mind quiescent.

Through meditation on the forms of God and through repetition of mantras, the mind becomes one-pointed. The mind will always be wandering. Just as when a chain is given to an elephant to hold in its trunk it will go along grasping the chain and nothing else, so also when the mind is occupied with a name or form it will grasp that alone.

When the mind expands in the form of countless thoughts, each thought becomes weak; but as thoughts get resolved the mind becomes one-pointed and strong; for such a mind Self-inquiry will become easy. Of all the restrictive rules, that relating to the taking of sattvic food in moderate quantities is the best; by observing this rule, the sattvic quality of mind will increase, and that will be helpful to Self-inquiry.

The residual impressions (thoughts) of objects appear wending like the waves of an ocean. When will all of them get destroyed?

As the meditation on the Self rises higher and higher, the thoughts will get destroyed.

[Wind]

Mentalism

"One thousand years ago the doctrine of mentalism was taught at Angkor, according to an inscription of that time which I saw there, the inscription of Srey Santhor. It likened the appearance of the doctrine in the world of faith and culture to the sun bringing back the light." §

"The philosopher today has a twofold path: to cultivate the gentle feeling of Overself in the heart within and to study the mentalness of the world without. A whole new generation is beginning to seek a better and higher life physically and emotionally, as well as more understanding of what it is all about. Here is where absorbing the knowledge of mentalism leads to dissolving the futility of materialism." - Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

There is a peace that does not go.
It does not want to go and it does not want to stay.
It has no place to go. It Is.
It has no appointments to be somewhere else.
Allow yourself to fall away from the shape of your mind.
Fall inside the shapeless.
But don’t ask how.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

If you really allow yourself to accept your true place this strong identity will begin to shrink and drop away.
It will come back from time to time but you will be in a firm place.
The physiological mind has purchased every moment of the waking state.
Are you just looking to upgrade this identity or degrade this identity or wake up to who you are? Jump over yourself.

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[Wind]

Individual mind and the world image

"For each man the world is what his thoughts of it give him, expressed as physical sensations and perceptions as they are in waking, or as dreams in sleeping. What holds them all together is a greater being--the World-Mind. Without such thoughts there is no universe for him."

"The universe is mind-pictured, mind-made out of mind-stuff by the Great Mind. Even we, with little finite minds, must come into activity before we can get any experience of any world at all."

- Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

The short path to enlightenment: Instructions for Immediate Awakening by Paul Brunton

"Paul Brunton gives voice to the profound teachings of immediate spiritual awakening that have the power to short circuit the seeker in us and reveal the true nature of reality here and now. The true gift of this wonderful book is in how nuanced and subtle Paul Brunton understood these profound and transformational teachings and how directly he conveys them. Read this book as you would a scripture or a sutra and let it open your eyes to eternity." -- Adyashanti

"The Short Path to Enlightenment is a deeply supportive text from the extraordinary Paul Brunton, the spiritual explorer who first brought knowledge of Ramana Maharishi to the West. In this work, readers receive the invitation and instruction to discover the truth of oneself. This book is alive with supreme knowledge. May it support you in immediately and continually recognizing yourself."

-- Gangaji

Pre-publication copies of The Short Path to Enlightenment are available from:

https://www.larsonpublications.com/book-details.php?id=110

[Wind]

Do you really want to erase all your deluded beliefs, memories, stories, tendencies and identities one by one, or would you prefer to find the factory where they are produced, and blow the whole thing up?

I say this because right now, I don’t have time for all this tiny pruning. You hold on to your little nail clipper, but I am giving you a great chainsaw to bring down this old tree of suffering.
This chainsaw is self-inquiry.
This is your good fortune.

~ Mooji


Surrender and wait

"The student should not habitually think that the problems with which he believes himself beset are really as grave as they appear. If he can let go, relax, and surrender his entire life with all its circumstances, and even all its aspirations, to the Higher Power, he should then patiently await the outcome of this surrender, in whatever form it manifests itself." - Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

Before true knowledge reveals itself,
ignorance needs to be fully swept aside.
Wisdom will not reveal itself while there is investment in the unreal,
for that portion of energy will continue creating divisions and distractions
in order to avoid or delay seeing what truly Is.
Such is the nature of the psychological mind.

~ Mooji


Reason for difficulties

"Whatever difficulties we encounter in the course of a lifetime, we should remember that some reason has put them there: they are not meaningless. But whether put there by our own fault or by other people's fault, or by an implacable destiny, it is usually possible to extract profit from them, at the least, or to get through them successfully, at the most. Through the capacity they draw out, the power they develop, or the discipline and correction they impose, they can be made to yield personal advantage."

- Paul Brunton

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[greybeard]

A Dialogue with Ram Dass and Eckhart Tolle


Published on 19 May 2014

An evening with Ram Dass and Eckhart Tolle - these two teachers engage in an open conversation about spiritual awakening and the transformation of consciousness, October 28, 2011 in Maui, HI.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPmgTJGPzlg

[Wind]

Very interesting, I never knew that Eckhart and Ram Dass had a talk together. Thanks for sharing that Chris, I will have to watch it later.

"Mentalism says we can make sense of our experiences only if we apply to them, and to our understanding of them, the double standpoint: Immediate and Ultimate, or Appearance and Reality, or Relative and Absolute. The ordinary, normal point of view takes the world as the five senses find it--that is, as it appears to be.

This is easy for everyone to understand and accept. But the deepest possible examination and analysis by philosophic intelligence, as well as the highest possible insight of mystic experience, presents a totally different result: The One, That which IS, has undergone no change at all."

"Every man will be forced to realize his own sacredness in the end: then only will his search for happiness find fulfillment."

- Paul Brunton

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[Grizz Griswold]

A Dialogue with Ram Dass and Eckhart Tolle


Published on 19 May 2014

An evening with Ram Dass and Eckhart Tolle - these two teachers engage in an open conversation about spiritual awakening and the transformation of consciousness, October 28, 2011 in Maui, HI.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPmgTJGPzlg

My Sons and i had the opportunity to attend an Eckhart Tolle event in Washington DC on Oct. 4th of 2012
Almost the entire evening was a meditation, there was one thing he said that evening, i
still use.

"Imagine that there is no such thing as words" and the meditation went on as
being the witness... when we imagine there are no words, it does wonders to
quieten the mind.

In Lak,ech

barry

[Rich]

"Imagine that there is no such thing as words"

Was watching a movie and at some point when the characters were talking I was just listening to the sounds
without forming them into words (meaning) in my mind, that is also interesting. You can do this with anything that happens.
As Bashar said: The meaning you give it is the effect you get out of it.

[Wind]

You say you try to slow down the mind enough so you can stay in the Self, but there is no need to ‘slow down the mind’ for this. The mind has never been able to stay in the Self by effort. This is all due to much misunderstanding. Please listen:

To stay in something is an effort. It requires a dedication and a skill.

It would require full time commitment, devotion, determination, single-mindedness. Even the Buddha could not do it. People have spent many years naked in caves trying to convert or merge the mind inside the heart, and have failed. They may have achieved something they did not have before, like peace or concentration or even joy, but they retain their identity as a seeker or practitioner—an entity who attains something. They may become a peaceful person, but there is a duality there. They must Be the peace itself.

The Self cannot be reached or owned by anyone. It can only be discovered and recognised as the effortless and natural source of all which Is and appears.

How do you ask something as fickle as the mind to stay in something as absolute as the Self?
Isn’t it all a little ridiculous?

~ Mooji


The way is within

No man comes to the knowledge of his divinity through a crowd of other men. No human entity can discover its own relation to God through any group method. The way to spiritual awareness is entirely individual, essentially lonely, inescapably within oneself. That is to say, it is mystical. Insofar as religion succeeds in showing the way, it ceases to be religion and becomes, or rather, consummates itself in, mysticism.

- Paul Brunton

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[joeecho]

The way is within

No man comes to the knowledge of his divinity through a crowd of other men. No human entity can discover its own relation to God through any group method. The way to spiritual awareness is entirely individual, essentially lonely, inescapably within oneself. That is to say, it is mystical. Insofar as religion succeeds in showing the way, it ceases to be religion and becomes, or rather, consummates itself in, mysticism.

- Paul Brunton


Wow, that is an amazing piece of literature.

Thanks for sharing!

"The way is within"

As for the way, there was a first step and a last step but once arrived, has no steps at all.

Peace

[Wind]

Living the teaching

"Learn how to live the teaching out in the midst of the world, yes! with all the temptations and trials; to shun cloistered virtues which, because they are untested, may not be virtues at all; to stay amongst suffering ignorant men who need enlightenment and not to leave them to rot in their darkness; to face the difficulties of worldly life as brave students of philosophy and not as cowardly weaklings; to be too big-hearted and tolerant, too broad-minded and intelligent to separate yourselves; in short, to follow Jesus' advice and be in the world yet not of it."

The destiny of the ego is to be lifted up into the Overself, and there end itself or, more correctly, transcend itself. But because it will not willingly bring its own life to a cessation, some power from outside must intervene to effect the lifting up. That power is Grace and this is the reason why the appearance of Grace is imperative…

- Paul Brunton

[Wind]

The mind wants to take credit for Awakening. It wants to turn it into an achievement.
By being the achiever of enlightenment it retains its identity, pride, separation and deceitfulness.
Find that which is not a doer, not an achiever.
Find That which simply Is.

~ Mooji

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[Wind]

Karma, free will and overself

"The working of a man's karma would never come to an end if his egoism never came to an end. It would be a vicious circle from which there would be no escape. But when the sense of personal selfhood, which is its cause and core, is abandoned, the unfulfilled karma is abandoned too."

"If a man comes into alignment with the Overself-consciousness, he is compelled to give up his earlier position of free will and free choice--for he no longer exists to please the ego alone. The regulating factor is now the Overself itself."

- Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

The latest videos From Tolle and Mooji.

Can we transmit stillness through technology?

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Don't Be a Person -- Be Your Self

To live a life without having any fundamental expectations of anybody. This is a great freedom.
You find you are almost un-shockable because something inside has switched off the button of how things should be.
Our inmost Being yearns for this freedom again. Don't get ahead of yourself preparing things, you move in your own way.
Whatever the life force expresses in terms of the dynamic expressions of life - let it be there.

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[Wind]

Egoself and overself

"The source of wisdom and power, of love and beauty, is within ourselves, but not within our egos. It is within our consciousness. Indeed, its presence provides us with a conscious contrast which enables us to speak of the ego as if it were something different and apart: it is the true Self whereas the ego is only an illusion of the mind."

"Within every human entity there is a silent pull from within toward its centre, the real self. But alongside of this there is a stronger pull from without toward its instruments--the body's senses, the intellect, and the feelings--the false self. The entity is compelled to divide itself, its life and attention, between these two opposites, involuntarily through waking and sleeping, voluntarily through the ego surrendered to the Overself." - Paul Brunton

Transcendence Through Stillness

"Eckhart offers keys to transcending identification with ego through
discovering stillness within and aligning with the two primary movements of the cosmos."

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[Skyhaven]

Thanks Wind, excellent posts, much appreciated!

[Wind]

Love this one, it made me laugh.

Your life should not be okay.
Your life should be sparkling.
Happy, contented, complete.
A Buddha’s Life is not okay.
Krishna’s life is not okay.
Ramana is not okay.
They are K.O.
You understand?
They knocked out the nonsense out of themselves.
An ‘Ok’ life should not be accepted by any intelligent being.
You have to discover, or unclothe your own Buddha Self,
your own Christ Consciousness, your own Shiva Being.
If you wish to know how, come to Satsang.

~ Mooji

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[Wind]

Purpose of the journey without & within

Students who have come finally to philosophy from the Indian Advaita Vedanta, bring with them the belief that the divine soul having somehow lost its consciousness is now seeking to become self-conscious again. They suppose that the ego originates and ends on the same level--divinity--and therefore the question is often asked why it should go forth on such a long and unnecessary journey. This question is a misconceived one. It is not the ego itself which ever was consciously divine, but its source, the Overself.

The ego's divine character lies in its essential but hidden being, but it has never known that. The purpose of gathering experience (the evolutionary process) is precisely to bring it to such awareness. The ego comes to slow birth in finite consciousness out of utter unconsciousness and, later, to recognition and union with its infinite source. That source, whence it has emanated, remains untouched, unaffected, ever knowing and serenely witnessing. The purpose in this evolution is the ego's own advancement. When the Quest is reached, the Overself reveals its presence fitfully and brokenly at first but later the hide-and-seek game ends in loving union.

"At this point seek only the Higher Self, live only with positive thought, stay only for as long as you can with the holy silence within, feel only that inner stillness which belongs to the essence of consciousness. Henceforth you are not to become this or that, not to gather the various virtues, but simply to be…"

~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

No force can stop you from being what you are.
In the midst of the most challenging difficulties,
right there is where and when you must find and be the stilled presence.
As you cannot win a fight after it is over, know,
the Self as the constant reality underlying all states of mind and being.
Take courage.
There is no failures for the Self.

~ Mooji


Quiet happiness

"Life is not all sunshine and no shadow, all fair sailing and no storm, all growing green-leaved trees and no decaying bare hulks. Both halves of each pair are found either side by side or alternate, and none is so far off that the other never appears during a lifetime.

The complete optimist is as unjustified as the complete pessimist. This said, it is nevertheless true that personal realization of the higher truth does give a contented mind a perennial hopefulness and an inward security. All these combine and fuse into a quiet sort of happiness."

- Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

Loneliness on the path

"Some have the illusion that the Path is heavily trodden. It is not. "Many are called but few are chosen." The traveller must learn to walk resignedly in partial loneliness. The struggle for certain truth and the quest of the divine soul are carried on by every man and must be carried on in an austere isolation when he reaches the philosophic level. No crowd progress and no mass salvation are possible here.

There is and could be no such thing as a sect in philosophy. Each of its disciples has to learn that there is only one unique path for him, dependent on his past history and present characteristics which constitute his own individuality. To attempt to forego that unique individuality, to impose the spiritual duty of other persons upon himself is, as the Gita points out, a dangerous error. Philosophy tries to bring a man to realize his own divinity for himself. Hence it tries to bring him to independent thinking, personal effort, and intuitive development. This is not the popular way nor the easy one; it offers no gregarious comfort or herd support. But it is the only way for the seeker after absolute truth. Though the solitary student may suffer from certain disadvantages, he also enjoys certain definite advantages.

In any case, man never really escapes from his essential loneliness. He may push his social efforts at avoidance to extremes and indulge his personal ones to the point of creating illusions, but life comes down on him in some way or other and one day forces him back on himself. Even where he fancies himself to have achieved happiness with or through others, even in the regions of love and friendship, some physical disharmony, some mental change, some emotional vacillation may eventually arise and break the spell, driving him back into isolation once more."

- Paul Brunton

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[Grizz Griswold]

Loneliness on the path

"Some have the illusion that the Path is heavily trodden. It is not. "Many are called but few are chosen." The traveller must learn to walk resignedly in partial loneliness. The struggle for certain truth and the quest of the divine soul are carried on by every man and must be carried on in an austere isolation when he reaches the philosophic level. No crowd progress and no mass salvation are possible here.

There is and could be no such thing as a sect in philosophy. Each of its disciples has to learn that there is only one unique path for him, dependent on his past history and present characteristics which constitute his own individuality. To attempt to forego that unique individuality, to impose the spiritual duty of other persons upon himself is, as the Gita points out, a dangerous error. Philosophy tries to bring a man to realize his own divinity for himself. Hence it tries to bring him to independent thinking, personal effort, and intuitive development. This is not the popular way nor the easy one; it offers no gregarious comfort or herd support. But it is the only way for the seeker after absolute truth. Though the solitary student may suffer from certain disadvantages, he also enjoys certain definite advantages.

In any case, man never really escapes from his essential loneliness. He may push his social efforts at avoidance to extremes and indulge his personal ones to the point of creating illusions, but life comes down on him in some way or other and one day forces him back on himself. Even where he fancies himself to have achieved happiness with or through others, even in the regions of love and friendship, some physical disharmony, some mental change, some emotional vacillation may eventually arise and break the spell, driving him back into isolation once more."

- Paul Brunton

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Alone with Himself: All That Is.

barry

[Wind]

Forgiveness is at the Heart of Human Greatness

Behind sometimes even the fiercest battles and brutalities, there is a hidden love there. We have to fight somehow to clear ourselves of the debris we create through the egoic mind.

If you are willing to say: “You have done bad things but I also have done bad things, so I will start with the first apology. From my heart I apologise to you, because I see your children — they are no different from my children. I want to see a future for my children. I want to see a future for your children also." ...then, something may happen there.

Treaties by themselves won’t do. Grand agreements alone won’t do.
You must cut back again. You must become human again. You must come to the heart — you must speak to each other from the heart, not only from the head.

You cannot only negotiate, you must commune and speak like this.
To meet in any conflict, you must go back to the root; you must come back at least to Consciousness, you must come to presence. When you come to presence, then you don’t have to solve things; they dissolve by themselves. Remember: Love is our deepest connection.

I love you.

~ Mooji

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[Guish]

It's been a while.

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[Guish]

I posted the first part of the interview some time ago; "What is Spirituality?". This one is the second part.

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[Wind]

"Even in the case of those who take the guidance of a guru, it should not be forgotten that if development advances sufficiently the pupil must start somewhere to be his own teacher, must start looking for, and finding, the inner guru--his own soul. A sincere competent guru would demand this."

Intercessory prayer

"In the exercise of intercessory prayer, first seek to make contact with the higher power by aspiring to it and dwelling upon its nature and attributes. Then, when you feel the presence of this power--and it is ineffectual to do so before--think of it as protective. Next, think of the person whose protection you seek and place him in the presence and hold him there."

- Paul Brunton

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[Karezza]

It spontaneously occurred to me today; though I have heard a similar line of thought previously without engaging further.

If ever one views another individual as 'Bad' (for luck of a better descriptive word); we reject them and their entire being. If the source of life force present in us is the same as the one present in them. Our rejection of these 'Bad' people could in turn mean a rejection of the life force (or a part of the life force) in us.

Simply for illustration matters: depending on our believe at what percentage can be termed good or bad spectrum of duality; if we say one side is 50% and the other is 50% as well, our rejection could result in a 50% rejection of our own personal power.

We can't not afford to deeply hate a 'bad' situation or person: one must transcend with appreciative love or through some other way other than viewing it as not a part of their being by the process of rejection. One must love all.

[blotter]

It spontaneously occurred to me today; though I have heard a similar line of thought previously without engaging further.

If ever one views another individual as 'Bad' (for luck of a better descriptive word); we reject them and their entire being. If the source of life force present in us is the same as the one present in them. Our rejection of these 'Bad' people could in turn mean a rejection of the life force (or a part of the life force) in us.

Simply for illustration matters: depending on our believe at what percentage can be termed good or bad spectrum of duality; if we say one side is 50% and the other is 50% as well, our rejection could result in a 50% rejection of our own personal power.

We can't not afford to deeply hate a 'bad' situation or person: one must transcend with appreciative love or through some other way other than viewing it as not a part of their being by the process of rejection. One must love all.great post, I've had these thoughts of late and haven't had to force them into being; it's clear. what wasn't so obvious for me is that we are apart of that 'all' and that we must love ourselves -- something that was missing for me and potentially others

[Wind]

Few people can grasp the Truth as it really is.
They grasp it intellectually, but when it is grasped in the Heart or It grasps you in the Heart,
then It grasps you so fully that there are no longer two.
There is no ‘you’ and It, there is only Truth.
Truth suffocates the ego.
The grip of God suffocates the ego.
It cannot breathe, and merges into the One.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

"What is more private, more intimate, than intuition? It is the only means they possess wherefrom to start to get mystical experience, glimpses, true enlightenment. Yet they insist on seeking among those who stand outside them, among the teachers, for that which must be searched after and felt inside themselves."

"It is surprising how widely people have ignored Jesus' message (”The kingdom of heaven is within you”) when its meaning is so clear, its phrasing so strong."

Inspiration and the overself

"When he first faces the mystery which is at the heart's core and in the mind's essence, he knows nothing about it other than that it is the source of his being and that it possesses a power and intelligence utterly transcending his own. Yet he feels that it draws his love and, in his best moments, inspires his character."

"He feels the Presence of something higher than himself, wise, noble, beautiful, and worthy of all reverence. Yet it is really himself--the best part come at last into unfoldment and expression."

Overself makes awareness possible

"Although awareness is the first way in which we can regard the soul or Overself, the latter is also that which makes awareness possible and hence a sub- or super-conscious thing. This explains why it is that we do not know our souls, but only our thoughts, our feelings, and our bodies. It is because we are the soul and hence we are the knower as well as the act of knowing. The eyes see everything outside yet do not see themselves."

- Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

How joyous it is to witness a human being recognising the real Self and merging with It. When the tribal or personal mind is absorbed in the universal Self, the human being is transformed from person to presence and is again in harmony as wholeness. This is the real Yoga.

The universal mind is open and boundless whereas the tribal mind is full of delusions. On the surface, the illumined one may appear to belong to some tribe also but is inwardly the impersonal reality. Just as the journey of a caterpillar is completed when it changes into a butterfly, Satsang is the changing room where the person changes back to its true nature.

~ Mooji

"A wise solitude thus fosters the soul's growth, keeps the mind clear of petty thoughts and matures the fine quality of mental independence. Go your way alone and you walk a path that shall indeed arrive somewhere. For solitude is not loneliness, boredom, or sadness. To be lonely is to be amongst those that do not understand. But in solitude you can people your place with thoughts, if you wish, whilst you always have yourself, your Overself, for company..."

- Paul Brunton

[Guish]

Love

A student confided in Suzuki Roshi that she had tremendous feelings of love for him, and that it confused her.
"Don't worry," he said. "You can let yourself have all the feelings you have for your teacher. That's good. I have enough discipline for both of us."

[Guish]

Working very hard

A martial arts student went to his teacher and said earnestly, "I am devoted to studying your martial system. How long will it take me to master it." The teacher's reply was casual, "Ten years." Impatiently, the student answered, "But I want to master it faster than that. I will work very hard. I will practice everyday, ten or more hours a day if I have to. How long will it take then?" The teacher thought for a moment, "20 years."

[Wind]

"A great humility comes into him when at long last he steps aside from his ego sufficiently to allow the perception that it is not in his own power to enter the ultimate Enlightenment. Grace is the arbiter."

- Paul Brunton

[Wind]

The ego is fired but he keeps showing up for work. We have to get used to him coming and going, and in some way we should not mind this subtle tension. To mind it too much brings you back into the person -- it brings back something that can be disappointed, which is not the pure Consciousness. The ego cannot live without interest from you, without identification,
which came because you were distracted from your true state. Some tension will always stay there that will keep exercising your spiritual muscle.

Somebody once asked my master: ‘Papaji, you often talked about vigilance, but for you in your case, do you have to be vigilant?’ And he said:‘To my very last breath’. This vigilance is not a work, it is a joy. Whenever the mind goes out to something you simply stay in a state of Self-remembrance. Let the attention be there.

- Mooji


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[Grizz Griswold]

The ego is fired but he keeps showing up for work. We have to get used to him coming and going, and in some way we should not mind this subtle tension. To mind it too much brings you back into the person -- it brings back something that can be disappointed, which is not the pure Consciousness. The ego cannot live without interest from you, without identification,
which came because you were distracted from your true state. Some tension will always stay there that will keep exercising your spiritual muscle.

Somebody once asked my master: ‘Papaji, you often talked about vigilance, but for you in your case, do you have to be vigilant?’ And he said:‘To my very last breath’. This vigilance is not a work, it is a joy. Whenever the mind goes out to something you simply stay in a state of Self-remembrance. Let the attention be there.

- Mooji


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Thank you for this post wind.

I believe it to be very important to be vigilant.

Not so much as being vigilant against the ego
but to be vigilant for God/awakening/ love/our self.

It reminds me of something from ACIM.

"Rest does not come from sleep but from awakening."

Namaste
barry

[Wind]

The intuition 'I Am' is your truest name.
Love, joy, peace and wisdom are your real nature.
This is true for all living beings.
But, you will not fully know and be this until you are willing,
open and ready to go beyond your personal identity into Truth.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

David Icke

Truth About Consciousness and Spirituality:

Published on 4 Aug 2014

In this video Luke Rudkowski meets David Icke on the Isle of Wight to continue there conversation from last year about consciousnesses and spirituality. This is part one of the conversation part two will be out tomorrow.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiaYH_lsgqU

[greybeard]

David Icke part 2


Published on 5 Aug 2014

In this video Luke Rudkowski sits down with David Icke to continue the conversation about spirituality and consciousness. This is part 2 of the conversation that took place on the Isl of Wight in the previous video.
He takes a poke at conspiracy web sites.



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[Wind]

Inspiration

"I remember one day when A.E. (George Russell), the Irish poet and statesman, chanted to me in his attractive Hibernian brogue some paragraphs from his beloved Plotinus that tell of the gods, although the number of words which stick to memory are but few and disjointed, so drugged were my senses by his magical voice. "All the gods are venerable and beautiful, and their beauty is immense. For they are not at one time wise, and at another destitute of wisdom; but they are always wise, in an impassive, stable, and pure mind. They likewise know all things which are divine. For the life which is there is unattended with labour, and truth is their generator and nutriment. And the splendour there is infinite..."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

... "When he feels the urge to weep for no apparent reason he should not resist, as it is a sign of the working of Grace upon him. The more he yields to this urge the more quickly will he progress. This is an important manifestation although its inner significance will not be understood by the materialistic world." ~ Paul Brunton

[Wind]

"Paradox is both the primal and the final truth. Life, whether we approve of it or not, is like that. Things are dual and so is man's nature a pairing of negative and positive. But even more is the entire cosmos itself both real and unreal." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

Eckhart Tolle - Enjoying Every Moment Movie

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[Wind]

Don’t play ping-pong with the mind.
Witness without attachment. Stay only as neutral presence.
When left alone, mind calms down by itself.
But don’t wait for this to happen.
Just stay as the unmixed presence.
Be one with that. This is your power.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

"Because the Overself is already there within him in all its immutable sublimity, man has not to develop it or perfect it. He has only to develop and perfect his ego until it becomes like a polished mirror, held up to and reflecting the sacred attributes of the Overself, and showing openly forth the divine qualities which had hitherto lain hidden behind itself."

"He returns from his first initiation into the egoless life with a rich cargo. He carries the stability of peace. A strange feeling of safety takes possession of him at that time. He knows neither care for the uncertain future nor regret for the unpleasant past. He knows that henceforth the life of his being is in the hands of the higher self, and with this he is quite content." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

"Intuition tells us what to do. Reason tells us how to do it. Intuition points direction and gives destination. Reason shows a map of the way there." ~ Paul Brunton

"When the Jew goes to sleep and the Christian and the Muslim go to sleep – who are they?
When the rich man and the poor man go to sleep – who are they? Where are their distinctions?
You have to find that place in your heart where everything is somehow neutralized into pure equanimity.

Wars – they have always been, and maybe for a long time still they will come. But freedom is what we are, not what we have to fight for. Satsang is Nature’s, Life’s, Consciousness, God’s way – an exit from suffering. We don’t have to go to another planet. Right here! You must bring your Eden back right here. You must open the door of your own self to let God through. And you walk through as One. "

~ Mooji

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[Skyhaven]

"You must bring your Eden back right here. You must open the door of your own self to let God through."


and that I feel is one of my main commitments in this life.

[Wind]

"One of the causes of the failure to get any results from meditation is that the meditator has not practised long enough. In fact, the wastage of much time in unprofitable, distracted, rambling thinking seems to be the general experience.

Yet this is the prelude to the actual work of meditation in itself. It is a necessary excavation before the building can be erected. The fact is unpleasant but must be accepted. If this experience of the first period is frustrating and disappointing, the experience of the second period is happy and rewarding…"

"NOW is the right moment to practise philosophy, to crush the ego, and to think positively."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

"'The time of happiness does not differ with me from the time of prayer, and in the noise and clutter of my kitchen I possess God in as great tranquillity as if I were on my knees,' said Brother Lawrence as he went about his work in the monastery kitchen. This is the reward--or rather part of the reward--which philosophy holds before us. It is worth striving for. And the Gita tells us that no efforts are in vain; all bring their fruit sometime, somewhere--if not in this birth then in another, if not in this world then in the next.

For the man or woman busy with his bit in the world's work, the Quest must be carried on in the midst of activity. He must not let the difficulties which arise inevitably out of such work cause him to abate his trust in the divine laws. These should be his safeguard, his dependence, his armour, and his weapons." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

There is a silence that is totally impersonal.
It is not the fruit of anybody’s work.
Peace is there, but there is no peacekeeper.
This Peace is only known when the noise of the person is not present.
Without the 'person' all that remains is the ever Pure.
The Ultimate is nobody’s achievement at all.

~ Mooji

He may know that the work of Grace has begun when he feels an active drawing from within which wakes him from sleep and which recurs in the day, urging him to practise his devotions, his recollections, his prayers, or his meditations. It leads him from his surface consciousness to his inner being, a movement which slowly goes back in ever-deepening exploration and discovery of himself. ~ Paul Brunton

[Rich]

If the enquiry is made whether mind exists, it will be found that mind does not exist. That is control of mind. Otherwise, if the mind is taken to exist and one seeks to control it, it amounts to mind controlling the mind, just like a thief turning out to be a policeman to catch the thief. i.e., himself. Mind persists in that way alone, but eludes itself.

To understand anything there must be the Self. The Self is obvious, so why not
remain as the Self? What need to explain the non-self?
~Ramana

[Wind]

"While the mentality retains the colouring of any personal bias it will colour truth, for which it is a medium, accordingly. But when it attains colourlessness and becomes a transparent jewel, it will transmit truth in its purity." "Not by his ego's own will can he take hold of this jewel, but only by the Grace substituting that other Consciousness for his ego's." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

Always at the point of real atomic recognition,
the strongest doubt and loudest noise will come.
Don’t panic. They are phenomena.
You are the witness of both doubt and noise.
They happen in you, not to you.
You forever remain the immaculate Self.

~ Mooji


"What are the "higher bodies"? Just as man has a physical body with which to operate in the physical world, so he has a vital body, an emotional body, and a mental body through which to express these other parts of his nature. This is the teaching of Theosophists, Hindus, and occultists. These bodies survive the death of the physical body, but are reduced to seed atoms when, between incarnations, man passes into a state of happy dreamless slumber. But from the philosophical viewpoint, the "higher bodies" are simply thought bodies, or, more correctly, states of consciousness." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

You are the peace in silence.
You are the silence in peace.
You are the light of consciousness that causes all things to be seen.
You are the perceiving love devoid of objective identity.
You are the wisdom and love which shines from the source of existence.
You are Unborn Awareness Self.

~ Mooji

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[Wind]

"Many have failed to disidentify themselves from their thoughts, despite all attempts. This shows its difficulty, not its impossibility. In such cases, grace alone will liberate them from their thought-chains."

"There is a power in inspired writings and authoritative revelations not only to work upon the minds and hearts of their readers, like many other books, but also to work upon their intuitive natures. This is a far more valuable service than providing information or stimulating emotion. They start a process of fruitful thought or give glimpses of hitherto unperceived truth or formulate clearly and decisively what has been half-felt and vaguely known." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Skyhaven]

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[Wind]

"The evening sunfall brings its own beauty, declaims its own poetry. It is worth the waiting in the short period before Nature's holy pause, when one can share her peace with one's soul, her mystery with one's mind, and feel her kinship with one's self. As the dusk deepens there is a shift of standpoint and basic truths come into sight or become more clear. The heart and its feelings are affected, too--purified, ennobled, enriched." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

The Liberated mind has a natural option which the egoic mind lacks — it can function in the world and yet remain in perfect serenity as unmoving Awareness.When the sense 'I am' and awareness are experienced as one, there is no such thing as ego.

~ Mooji

"A wise solitude thus fosters the soul's growth, keeps the mind clear of petty thoughts and matures the fine quality of mental independence. Go your way alone and you walk a path that shall indeed arrive somewhere. For solitude is not loneliness, boredom, or sadness. To be lonely is to be amongst those that do not understand. But in solitude you can people your place with thoughts, if you wish, whilst you always have yourself, your Overself, for company…"

~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

"Outwardly we live and have to live in the very midst of cruel struggle and grievous conflict, for we share the planet's karma; but inwardly we can live by striking contrast in an intense stillness, a consecrated peace, a sublime security. The central stillness is always there, whether we are absorbed in bustling activity or not. Hence a part of this training consists in becoming conscious of its presence. Indeed only by bringing the mystical realization into the active life of the wakeful world can it attain its own fullness. The peaceful state must not only be attained during meditation, but also sustained during action." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

"The central message of philosophy to the modern era is that man is not isolated but supported by a friendly power, not left in the dark but surrounded by helping hands." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

"The closer he comes to the Overself, the more actively is the Grace able to operate on him. The reason for this lies in the very nature of Grace, since it is nothing other than a benign force emanating from the Overself. It is always there but is prevented by the dominance of the animal nature and the ego from entering his awareness. When this dominance is sufficiently broken down, the Grace comes into play more and more frequently, both through Glimpses and otherwise." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Skyhaven]

Wonderful posts wind! Much appreciated! A simple thanks simply does not suffice.

[Wind]

As the ‘I’ disappears, that which remains to witness the disappearance of ‘I’—that is pure, timeless joy!

~ Mooji

"There will come suddenly unexpectedly and in the dead of night, as it were, a tremendous Realization of the egoless state, a tremendous feeling of liberation from itself as it has known itself, a tremendous awareness of the infinitude, universality, and intelligence of life…"

~ Paul Brunton

[Wind]

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"The miracle of musical beauty is to be experienced gratefully, not for the sensuous and emotional satisfactions alone, but also for the reminder to make all life beautiful."

~ Paul Brunton

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[eaglespirit]

Love You Wind : )

[Wind]

Love you too, eaglespirit. :rolleyes:

[greybeard]

Its a question of elimination.
Not this, not this.
If limbs, eye sight and hearing are lost there is still an unchanged, unaffected awareness.
I am That.
The I (awareness of being aware) is permanent, everything that comes and goes, temporary, is not I.
Thoughts come they go.
The ego is acquisitional and claims to own, be the author, hence the identification with the story of me, which is ever changing.
One does not have to buy into these stories which are either negative or positive.
Awareness is unaffected by the vicissitudes of life.
The unreal me is greatly affected.
Hence identification with the story is the cause of temporary happiness and misery.
These are the two sides of the same coin.
That which brings you pleasure brings you pain.
Mooji, of The Ramana Maharshi linage points this out and encourages "Self Enquiry" = Who am I?
The answer can not be known by the mind.
A visit to Tim's thread is well worth while.
I tend to listen to those who have direct experience rather than well intentioned seekers.
Many are called few are chosen. ( you are the One who choses, that why enlightenment is sometimes called Self Realisation)
You have to do the spade work removing obstacles.
As yet there are few fully enlightened so time spent reading what they have shared is time well spent.

[greybeard]

All concepts, belief systems--are the result of conditioning and are obstacles to realising the true Self.
Inherent in all these is judgement and therefore duality.
Ie I am different from those who do not hold my point of view, I am a separate individual.
There is of course discernment and preferences, that would seem to be virtually an automatic function in the enlightened state.

"Know that the moment you take up a position you are identifying with an illusion"

That's a quote from "A Course in Miracles"

A point of view might be expressed but there is no emotional baggage behind it.
Its just a way of interacting with the world.
"Wear the world like a loose garment" (Jesus quote)
There is no need to be right or maintain any point of view---at best its a "May be so"

Most of the problems of the world are caused by force being used to try to countermand force.
A problem is never solved by using the same energy that created it.

[Rich]

separate individual.


I'm using the question ''Who has this thought?'' the thought of you or the thought of me, all points to the same.

As Bashar said ...you are the all pretending in a sense to be part of the all...



What you get is what you chose, consciously or unconsciously.

....as a true aspect of the infinite, you will know that infinity is open to you and it is up to you to determine how much of that infinity and ecstasy you can handle at any given moment. You determine the rate, you are the valve, completely and utterly that determines the rate of flow of that ecstasy, because it is only your energy that you're going to be feeling. ~Bashar

[Wind]

Glad to see you Chris posting here again.

"At the beginning of each temptation there is a choice offered, as though one stood at the crossroads and must take one which leads upward to peace and well-being or the other which leads downward to hell. In the offering, the chance to escape from the oncoming temptation is given. If the chance is taken immediately, it can be escaped; but if there is the slightest dallying with the luring picture, then the chance is lost. Therefore, there should be instant rejection of it."

"The passing over into higher consciousness cannot be attained by the will of any man, yet it cannot be attained without the will of man. Both grace and effort are needed." ~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

Let him remember that he cannot conquer his desires nor subdue his animal nature by his own strength alone. In the final outcome, it is divine Grace which releases him from his bondage. Grace comes only after he himself has made every possible effort, after he has practised sacrificing his desires and has offered up his whole lower nature to the Overself. ~ Paul Brunton


You say you wish to be free of desires and expectations. And it is true: your own desire is disturbing you. For even noble desires such as the desire to save the world or to be a good person or even to attain liberation can actually distract you from discovering what is truly already here—natural, unbound contentment.

Once you have a desire burning inside, you will be waiting anxiously for it to be fulfilled, and if it is not fulfilled, your anxiety will increase. So it is good to be open to the possibility of dropping all desires. Desire promises much but fulfils little. Though it is possible, most people find it impossible to drop even a single desire as they feel they will lose something precious.

It is like taking a dry bone from a dog. So rather than telling you to drop desire, I say, find out what it actually promises to give you, and also identify the actual person who will receive it. Don't assume. Find out. Is any of this real? These questions can feel deeply challenging as they threaten to expose ego's unreality. Very few go beyond to discover their real power as the undivided Self and so put an end to delusion. Who will rise to this challenge?

~ Mooji

[Wind]

"How many minds have pondered over life and searched for its meaning, only to feel baffled in the end, and held back by their own limitations? For although the active intellect naturally asks such questions, only the intuition can answer them adequately. But the latter is the least cultivated of all our faculties and the most torpid, and this is why we have no access to the answers, and why the questions remain troublesome or even torturing."

"Spirit is not entrapped in matter, the soul is not immured in the bodily person, divinity is not asleep in the flesh. It is the ego, the I-thought, we who are entrapped, asleep, immured." "Since the Overself is outside time it is also outside events. Nothing happens in it or to it."

"There is a part of himself which cannot die, cannot pass into annihilation. But it is very deep down. The sage encounters it before bodily death and learns to establish his consciousness therein. The others encounter it during some phase in the after-death state."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

You say ' The Truth is uncatchable.'
Do you know why It is uncatchable?
Because the one who says that It cannot be caught does not exist.
Truth is already here but something, a voice, is referring to Truth as 'It'.
But is there really something other than It to be able to refer to It as It?
Or is It it Itself referring to Itself as It?
Because if you feel it is something else called 'a person' referring to It as It,
you will never find It. It will always be a theoretical It.
But when It is found that only It alone exists and only It can call Itself It, then...That's It!

~ Mooji

[Wind]

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"Different terms can be used to label this unique attainment. It is insight, awakening, enlightenment. It is Being, Truth, Consciousness. It is Discrimination between the Seer and the Seen. It is awareness of That Which Is. It is the Practice of the Presence of God. It is the Discovery of Timelessness.

All these words tell us something but they all fall short and do not tell us enough. In fact they are only hints for farther they cannot go: it is not on their level at all since it is the Touch of the Untouchable. But never mind; just play with such ideas if you care too. Ruminate and move among them. Put your heart as well as head into the game. Who knows one day what may happen? Perhaps if you become still enough you too may know--as the Bible suggests."

"In seeking the Overself, the earnest aspirant must seek it with heartfelt love. Indeed, his whole quest must be ardently imbued with this feeling... Because of this devotion to something which transcends his selfish interests, he can no longer seek his selfish advantage at the expense of others. His aim will be not only to love the soul but to understand it, not only to hear its voice in meditation but to live out its promptings in action."

"This progress through a series of attitudes leads in the end to something transcending them altogether--a shift of consciousness from ego to Overself."

"However dark or blundering the past, however miserable the tangle one has made of one's life, this unutterable peace blots it all out. Within that seraphic embrace error cannot be known, misery cannot be felt, sin cannot be remembered. A great cleansing comes over the heart and mind." ~ Paul Brunton

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[KaiLee]

Seventeen years ago I had a spontaneous experience of ego loss. I KNOW there is no thing that is knowable because no thing is real. Fourteen years ago I had a spontaneous experience of Self. I experienced I AM. If I choose, I can move experientially close to I AM at will. But then I start to question the point of it. Sure, it feels good, but what for??? I live in this hell-hole reality. Should I work harder to feel that initial experience of I AM? Nothing changes here though. Living is still unbearable. Happiness from I AM is because of what is not here. My experience of 3D reality is first and foremost utter boredom, followed by a continuing sense of waiting it out for the end. Of course, pleasure can be derived from the simple to complex, but for what purpose?
Basically I guess I'm asking; now what? Because repeatedly experiencing the higher self, while miraculous, is in itself, pointless in this realty on Earth.

[Rich]

I don't know why you say it is pointless can you explain a bit more clearly what you mean?

[KaiLee]

Experiencing I AM is ecstatic. But it is not here. So how is that of worth here? It does not change what is here. I would never suggest not experiencing the higher self, but once it is accessable, then what? Am I supposed to just keep practising it until I'm walking around constantly in a state of Self Awareness, sucking on my own experience of Self like some kind of addiction. Because that all seems pointless.

[Rich]

Experiencing I AM is ecstatic. But it is not here.
Why is it not here?



So how is that of worth here? It does not change what is here.
Why not? Are you saying your realization does not change your physical life? In my experience it does.


I would never suggest not experiencing the higher self, but once it is accessable, then what?

Then live from that state?


Am I supposed to just keep practising it until I'm walking around constantly in a state of Self Awareness, sucking on my own experience of Self like some kind of addiction. Because that all seems pointless.


Why is it pointless to be at peace and happy, really I still don't understand why you say it is pointless. Care to elababorate?

Bashar has said life is meaningless of itself we give it the meaning it is our choice.

[Wind]

You say you want to find the Truth.
But it cannot be done.
What actually happens is that as you are looking for your factual self,
the identity you are looking with begins to disappear.
Like a falling star that disappears before it touches the earth,
nothing remains but the immutable and formless awareness space—the Self.

~ Mooji

[KaiLee]

You say you want to find the Truth.
But it cannot be done.
What actually happens is that as you are looking for your factual self,
the identity you are looking with begins to disappear.
Like a falling star that disappears before it touches the earth,
nothing remains but the immutable and formless awareness space—the Self.

~ Mooji

Yes. This is my experience. It's one or the other.

[Shezbeth]

The puppet is not the hand, neither is the hand the puppet. Though the hand animates the puppet, the puppet is a contrivance of that which is beyond the hand, and is likewise beyond the understanding of the puppet. The appearance of awareness or understanding is illusory.

Ha! I couldn't have scripted it better! Thanks Skyhaven for this post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73215-My-brain-is-only-a-receiver&p=871300&viewfull=1#post871300


Basically I guess I'm asking; now what? Because repeatedly experiencing the higher self, while miraculous, is in itself, pointless in this realty on Earth.

FUN (music group) said it well; "Carry On". Castaneda agrees, and would probably indicate that death has not touched you yet.

[Wind]

"Philosophy does not ascetically applaud suffering and pain. It deplores them. In themselves, they are regarded as evils. It accepts them as good only when they succeed in bringing about a change of thought--a conversion of heart or an ennoblement of conduct.

Since our faulty ways of thinking and living can be pointed out to us by suffering and since we are thus given the chance to put an end to them, does not suffering prove itself to be a useful part of the world-scene? Is it not, at least sometimes, a friend disguised as an enemy?"

- Paul Brunton

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[Rich]

KaiLee, I thought about your words,
for me it would be a mistake to stop after an awakening.
I cannot judge this, maybe it is the right thing for you, just wanted to express
my concern because it doesn't sound like you are very happy from your posts.

[Rich]

Surrender to who you are, accept who you really are in your heart of hearts, as a dreamer, as a imaginative creator. ~Bashar

You already have everything you desire, you contain it all. ~Bashar

...an Unlimited Being with Unlimited Joy ~Lester Levenson

[Skyhaven]

Letting everything be means you are no longer grasping at or trying to control your experience in any way. When you experience ease of being, there is a profound release of a fundamental existential tension, which is the deep and often unconscious conviction that something is terribly wrong. The freedom of enlightenment is based upon this dissolution of existential tension. Letting everything be, you discover an unconditional freedom that has always been at the ground of your own experience—the liberating recognition that nothing is fundamentally wrong.

-Andrew Cohen-

[Wind]

"Progress can be made not only in Egypt or India but anywhere. No matter who or where he is, each individual's own character, together with its participation in daily life, is the material presented to him for self-study and self-observation. An analysis of these experiences, both past and present, when carried on in the light of his highest aspirations and in his search for awareness of and attentiveness to God, will open the way to guidance from the Higher Self." - Paul Brunton

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[Skyhaven]

Adyashanti - The Natural state
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[Shezbeth]

Please pardon the musical interlude. ^_^


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_GRGxbLvmc

This, pertaining to the "What to do now/next?" line of inquiry.

[Wind]

"There is in the very midst of humanity today, albeit hidden and awaiting its hour of manifestation, that which is the very opposite of what has already manifested itself through the evil channels. There is divine pity as against barbarous cruelty, sublime wisdom as against materialistic ignorance, altruistic service as against aggressive selfishness, and exalted reverence against hard atheism. There is the recall to a forgotten God. There is redemptive grace. There is a hand outstretched in mercy to the worst sinner, and in consolation to the worst sufferer. Those who are mystically sensitive feel its presence even now, however intermittently."

"If a man asks why he can find no trace of God's presence in himself, I answer that he is full of evidence, not merely traces. God is present in him as consciousness, the state of being aware; as thought, the capacity to think; as activity, the power to move; and as stillness, the condition of ego, emotion, intellect, and body which finally and clearly reveals what these other things simply point to. "Be still, and know that I am God" is a statement of being whose truth can be tested by experiment and whose value can be demonstrated by experience." - Paul Brunton


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[Skyhaven]

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[KaiLee]

Shesbeth.... Today I found myself again asking 'now what' and was answered with 'carry on'. Your reply spoke to me. Thank You

[greybeard]

Shesbeth.... Today I found myself again asking 'now what' and was answered with 'carry on'. Your reply spoke to me. Thank You
adyashanti got exactly the same message "carry on" Kailee
Several enlightened ones have said that there was an initial awakening which felt full but there was later on a recognition that there was another stage yet to happen. In the initial stage, while Oneness was ongoing there was a certain knowing, almost anxiousness, that this was not complete, some years later complete enlightenment occurred.
Hope this helps.

chris

[greybeard]

I would suggest that anyone who is serious about enlightenment goes to Tim's thread and there it is from the horses mouth so to speak.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...

[Rich]

That's the meaning of the Buddha on the road saying.
Personally I don't believe there is such a thing as a final state, Bashar even said growth goes on forever.

[greybeard]

That's the meaning of the Buddha on the road saying.
Personally I don't believe there is such a thing as a final state, Bashar even said growth goes on forever.

Thats true EmEx.

However the human body can only take so much spiritual energy.
Christ, The Buddha Krishna and several others possibly evolved spiritually as far as it is currently possible in a human form
Quite a few experienced Kundalini arising before during and after enlightened state.
Kundalini changes the body's nervous system so that it can accommodate the high spiritual vibration/frequency of enlightenment.
Enlightenment may be seen as kindergarten from an even higher perspective.

chris

[greybeard]

Nothing here but you
A guided meditation by Mooji

Normally I would not recommend any guided meditation but this is helpful.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuVCFEqv1AY

[Wind]

If freedom is your Heart's desire,
say YES to Truth without hesitation or compromise.

Say to the Lord of the heart: Replace 'me' with You. Rid me of ego and merge my mind in You. If there is identity, replace this identity with Truth. Let there be only Oneness here.
Dispel any arrogance, any ego and let me melt in You, beloved Lord of my Heart.

This Yes is very, very powerful when it comes from the Heart itself.
It comes from the Heart and goes straight to the Heart and sets off a time bomb in the earth-bound mind.

This Yes without compromise is the divine Grace that comes to guide you back to your original innocence, to your timeless and limitless Being.

~ Mooji

[Skyhaven]

Nothing here but you
A guided meditation by Mooji

Normally I would not recommend any guided meditation but this is helpful.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuVCFEqv1AY

That was really nice and helpful! http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/justcuz/54.gif

[Grizz Griswold]

Enlightenment may be seen as kindergarten from an even higher perspective.

chris

Hi chris

If that higher perspective were acquired i doubt if one could continue to exist in physical form very long.

All of the underpinning of the illusion would be gone and there would be no reason to hang around.

All the best.
barry

[Shezbeth]

I would suggest that anyone who is serious about enlightenment goes to Tim's thread and there it is from the horses mouth so to speak.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...

Pardon and allow me to be the opponent when I say:

I find the previous quote to be an inaccurate statement (unless you maintain the 'horses moth' part ^_~). While there is information that may be beneficial to an individual seeking to understand several perceptions of enlightenment, I disagree that it is from the 'horses mouth'; more like the horses hit IMO.

Simply put, there is equal quality in concurrence and contention with the thread in question. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

[greybeard]

Hi Shezbeth
I am happy for you to express your opinion.
I promote Tim's thread because its on Avalon and he is open to questions.
I believe that he gives a factual account of his own "experience".
Yes many ways to skin a cat.

Best wishes
Chris

[greybeard]

Enlightenment may be seen as kindergarten from an even higher perspective.

chris

Hi chris

If that higher perspective were acquired i doubt if one could continue to exist in physical form very long.

All of the underpinning of the illusion would be gone and there would be no reason to hang around.

All the best.
barry

Yes Barry according to the late Dr David Hawkins many leave this realm due to enlightenment happening.
"Job done" --smiling.

Chris

[Wind]

"Many have felt during meditation or even outside of it the dreamlike character of the world. As dreams are only thoughts, this means that they have felt the truth of mentalism. However, the world is only like but not actually a dream. When one meditates on the reason still more subtly he finds that it is really the substance of God reflected forth, the self-externalization of Cosmic Mind. It is there divine in essence. Its form is changing and an appearance but its ultimate stuff is, in reality, God. Life here on earth is divine in this sense. Once this is grasped, he finds a fresh basis for conduct, a deeper inspiration for activity. He cannot be a mere dreamer, cave dweller, or drifter. He must act. But actions will now be inspired by and performed for that deeper self within, and will therefore be impersonal and altruistic." - Paul Brunton

Here are the latest videos from Eckhart Tolle and Mooji.

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[Krystar]

Hi. I am new here. Just wanted to say, a very wise man helped me once by telling me the ego resides in the intellect, which is in the left side of the brain. It keeps trying to think it knows something, but it's job is to enable us to learn. It is supposed to be listening to the intuition, not the other way around. The idea is the middle path, the two sides working together. Stillness.