Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Wind]

"Step into the fire of self-discovery. This fire will not burn you, it will only burn what you are not."

~ Mooji

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[Guish]

Haha, it'll burn everything leaving nothing. Yet, people expect something to be said about the nothing.

[greybeard]

"The head is in the tigers mouth" is another---cute saying.
Once enlightenment is heard of in any depth--like it or not, the end is in insight.
Were are in the crucible being purified---that is, all that is not Self is burnt off.
All that remains is Truth.

Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

Haha, it'll burn everything leaving nothing. Yet, people expect something to be said about the nothing.

Burn everything leaving nothing, and yet the Witness is joyous in the nothingness. The nothingness/the space in which all
things of time occur, has it's true being as nothingness, and in reality has never left.

Believe it was Eckhart Tolle who said, words are twice removed from reality, a symbol describing a symbol. But for now,
they still have their purpose.

Namaste.
barry

[Meggings]

This short blog from one Papaji called "awakened" is called "Be Wary of Ego". She writes: "It can be a real challenge to successfully transition from an initial Awakening to enlightenment." Aruna posted this April 7th, 2015. You may find it interesting.

She lives in Japan and has a rather "odd" URL to her blog. http://www.awakeningcoach.com/#!Be-Wary-of-Ego-%E3%82%A8%E3%82%B4%E3%81%AB%E3%81%94%E7%94%A8%E5%BF%83/ctu0/55238ce30cf21e26badbd10d

[Guish]

This short blog from one Papaji called "awakened" is called "Be Wary of Ego". She writes: "It can be a real challenge to successfully transition from an initial Awakening to enlightenment." Aruna posted this April 7th, 2015. You may find it interesting.

She lives in Japan and has a rather "odd" URL to her blog. http://www.awakeningcoach.com/#!Be-Wary-of-Ego-%E3%82%A8%E3%82%B4%E3%81%AB%E3%81%94%E7%94%A8%E5%BF%83/ctu0/55238ce30cf21e26badbd10d

Yes. There's also spiritual ego. One becomes enlightened and start to see others as beings with low levels of consciousness. I'm not sure whether anyone has mentioned about it before. It's a term that came from me upon observing people and talking to Bazz. For me, just looking at a picture of Buddha calms me down. I do see spiritual teachers who still hold on to things/concepts when they explain. I just look at their eyes and know if someone has a deep void inside or not. I also agree that it take a lifetime or lifetimes to understand the ego and it also depends on how much you yearn for God as Yogananda said.

Thanks Margaret.

[Wind]

"Leave your existence to existence, stop caring for yourself so much and let the universe care for you; it is the best mother."

~ Mooji

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[Guish]

Zampy suggested that I listen to Sat Shree. His direct experience of truth is very similar to mine. and he explains it in a very clear manner avoiding symbolism or technical language.

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[Guish]

"Leave your existence to existence, stop caring for yourself so much and let the universe care for you; it is the best mother."

~ Mooji

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I think one of the main mechanisms of the ego acts in the following way. In meditation/spirituality, one needs to let go and the ego will always try to disturb one's peace in so many forms focusing on the idea/concept that one can't survive without the identity/ego. It'll shoot arrows to you in the form of questions/confusions. No one will respect you, you won't be able to achieve anything, Enlightenment is fake, you're missing on so, so and so by meditating., you won't be able to look after your family, you're not being responsible towards them. You have to do this, you have to do that, you have to prove this, you have to prove that....

Everything falls into its place once you embrace your divinity. Take it as a hypothesis and try it.

Blessings,
Guish.

[Rich]

Yes. There's also spiritual ego. One becomes enlightened and start to see others as beings with low levels of consciousness.

You can still think that someone has low consciousness or whatever but I don't think an enlightened one has spiritual arrogance otherwise it would mean that he is not enlightened.

[Guish]

Yes. There's also spiritual ego. One becomes enlightened and start to see others as beings with low levels of consciousness.

You can still think that someone has low consciousness or whatever but I don't think an enlightened one has spiritual arrogance otherwise it would mean that he is not enlightened.


Good point. I remember Osho using the word stupid to describe people with low consciousness. Would you say Osho was enlightened or not? IMHO, categorizing people still means the ego is there, maybe faint but there. OSHO has been controversial though. Group sex in the ashram was one of the scandals of the time.

[Rich]

Guish, my definition of ego is an apparent separate self, which is required for experience so IMO ego will never go.
But also we are beyond ego always. I would say that someone who is aware of that will lose the arrogance because s/he sees herself in all.

I don't know if Osho was enlightened...

[Guish]

Guish, my definition of ego is an apparent separate self, which is required for experience so IMO ego will never go.
But also we are beyond ego always. I would say that someone who is aware of that will lose the arrogance because s/he sees herself in all.

I don't know if Osho was enlightened...

Hi Friend,

Allow me to share something. One can experience without ego. Recently, I've been living and performing actions using the rational mind less and less or not using it at all. Just today, I supervised a new teacher conducting lessons. She made mistakes but I allowed it to happen guiding her effortlessly till she realised where she got it wrong. I had no thoughts in my mind while doing any of the things I did today. I was very calm and peaceful. It was the divinity expressing itself or should I say the true self. However, one can't claim it to the public.

[betoobig]

My dear friends, i am right now in that very moment... completly out of the confort zone. It´s nothing but easy, specially becouse i have kids. Feelling faithfull...but totally in the aaaaaaaiiiirrrrrrrr even though grounded. Uf!!!
LOve to all

Juan

[Guish]

My dear friends, i am right now in that very moment... completly out of the confort zone. It´s nothing but easy, specially becouse i have kids. Feelling faithfull...but totally in the aaaaaaaiiiirrrrrrrr even though grounded. Uf!!!
LOve to all

Juan

Happy for you, Juan.

[betoobig]

sniff!! hurts in a way Guish, i guess it´s just the ego with his finger in my... eye..
Thanks from my heart.
LOve
Juan

[Guish]

sniff!! hurts in a way Guish, i guess it´s just the ego with his finger in my... eye..
Thanks from my heart.
LOve
Juan

Hugs. My 2 year old son is sleeping right now. Good luck with your kids. It's 11 p.m here. Time to meditate and get some sleep. See you brother!

Cheers,
Geerish.

[greybeard]

Ramesh Balsekar said that there were two kinds of mind.

One is the working mind---learned skills is an example of this.
The other, I cant remember what he called it but the usual ego classifications will do.
So yes the working mind left to its own can perform anything it knows how to.
Ramesh used surgery as an example.

The surgeon was skilfully performing an intricate operation -- then his assistant said "Do you know who we are working on? Thats a very important person---we will be in big trouble if we don't pull this off.
You can guess that this could really put the surgeon off.
There were and are times when Im playing the bass guitar with friends and Im aware that i have no idea what note im going to play next.
Sometimes its as though the dang thing is playing me.
I have got real highs playing.

Betoobig I really get the comfort zone thing--keep coming.

I believe that human spirituality is evolving rapidly.
Even though I was reading Ramana Maharshi years ago the penny did not drop that there is only One--non-duality.
I am that-----is a big thing to get your head around.
I had to hear it over and over again till I was ready to really hear it far less believe that it applied to me and all others.
Now there is a growing number of Western teachers speaking about Non-duality.

This thread is getting really busy with interesting posts.

With Love
Chris

[Rich]

I had to hear it over and over again till I was ready to really hear it
Well, then one more time can't hurt...

There can really be no other, except as an experience, but not as an actual existence.
Not as an actual mechanical reality, not as an actual mechanical physical truth.
It's only an experience, otherness, difference, is only an experience, a valid experience,
a beautiful experience, a creative experience, to be sure.
But it is not the framework, it is only an experience On the framework, because
the framework never changes - the framework in that sense is Existence Itself.
~Bashar

[greybeard]

The Only Remedy for Suffering on the Planet (Complete)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPI0Wkvqp5A

[Meggings]

I'd like to introduce you to this fellow (Paul Selig) whose soul projected another lifetime personality in Germany that I knew quite well. This interview was a few weeks ago between Paul Selig in NYC and London, UK.

Much he says agrees with my own knowing, such as the bits about religion around the 30-minute mark, and the bits about KNOWING versus thinking. You might want to skip the first 2 minutes or so of intro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLJBP_NXe8

He has done four books - the last is "The Book of Mastery" that is not yet published.29432

[Wind]

Upon discovering truth,
the natural love one has for oneself
expands until it encompasses the whole world.
This Love removes the ego.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

We carry inside us the wonders we seek outside us

Rumi.

[Wind]

When we look at the world through the veil of our desires we make it small and narrow, and fail to perceive its full truth. Of course it is obvious that the world serves us and fulfils our needs, but our relation to it does not end there. We are bound to it with a deeper and truer bond than that of necessity. Our soul is drawn to it; our love of life is really our wish to continue our relation with this great world.

This relation is one of love.

We are glad that we are in it; we are attached to it with numberless threads, which extend from this earth to the stars. Man foolishly tries to prove his superiority by imagining his radical separateness from what he calls his physical world, which, in his blind fanaticism, he sometimes goes to the extent of ignoring altogether, holding it at his direst enemy. Yet the more his knowledge progresses, the more it becomes difficult for man to establish this separateness, and all the imaginary boundaries he had set up around himself vanish one after another.”

~ Rabindranath Tagore

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[GarethBKK]

Faith: The trust that the story of ourselves, which we have created, has a greater reality, and allows us to let go in order to reveal that reality.

Hope: The burning desire for the veil of ignorance to be lifted and suffering end.

Charity: Become love through the realisation that there is nothing else. Think no evil; see no evil; hear no evil; speak no evil; feel no evil.

"The greatest of these is Charity". The mistake for so long was to believe that the human needed to express love in order for the veil to be lifted. This is a false love. Instead, as love is all there is, it is now known that there is nothing to do but express that love received, and pour it forth into this world. It's not from little me, it's all there is.

I do not have a religion and I had not come across the 'Divine Mercy Day' before reading of the message of Pope John Paul II this morning. 'Divine Mercy Day' is celebrated on the second Sunday of Easter. Yup, today (there are no coincidences). Feel the love that you are pour into this world as divine mercy. Such joy.

[Wind]

Be empty. Be light.

Drop the luggage of a personal self along with its self-centered projections, so that you can feel again the simplicity and Holiness of your original Being. When the mind becomes light again, all the angels, all the heavenly Beings are rejoicing. You can feel the presence of them inside.

All are singing hallelujah to the Truth.

~ Mooji

[GarethBKK]

" I used to be very much a controlling person, putting so much effort into trying to get rid of the things I didn't like: mental conditions, certain thoughts, memories and emotions. I spent most of my life ignoring, trying to get rid of, or just reacting to these feelings. So I developed 'welcoming' for when these negative, unwanted states would start impinging on consciousness. It works if you really mean it. But if you're 'welcoming' unpleasant conditions in order to get rid of them, it doesn't work. This is where you have to be quite sincere in welcoming and make sure you're not just trying to fool yourself. The practice of 'welcoming' allowed me to look at something I'd spent most of my life avoiding or rejecting: mental or emotional habits. You can become so used to denying or resisting them, you don't even know you're doing it until you start paying attention and observing the way it is."
Ajahn Sumedho Volume 5 The Wheel of Truth

Ajahn Sumedho's works are available for free download here: http://forestsanghapublications.org/viewAuthor.php?id=9

I recommend reading the anthologies 1-5. Ajahn Sumedho is a Theravada Buddhist Abbot/monk trained in the Thai Forest tradition (highly esoteric) directly by Ajahn Chah.

[Guish]

" I used to be very much a controlling person, putting so much effort into trying to get rid of the things I didn't like: mental conditions, certain thoughts, memories and emotions. I spent most of my life ignoring, trying to get rid of, or just reacting to these feelings. So I developed 'welcoming' for when these negative, unwanted states would start impinging on consciousness. It works if you really mean it. But if you're 'welcoming' unpleasant conditions in order to get rid of them, it doesn't work. This is where you have to be quite sincere in welcoming and make sure you're not just trying to fool yourself. The practice of 'welcoming' allowed me to look at something I'd spent most of my life avoiding or rejecting: mental or emotional habits. You can become so used to denying or resisting them, you don't even know you're doing it until you start paying attention and observing the way it is."
Ajahn Sumedho Volume 5 The Wheel of Truth

Ajahn Sumedho's works are available for free download here: http://forestsanghapublications.org/viewAuthor.php?id=9

I recommend reading the anthologies 1-5. Ajahn Sumedho is a Theravada Buddhist Abbot/monk trained in the Thai Forest tradition (highly esoteric) directly by Ajahn Chah.

The greatest irony about controlling one's emotions is that controlling them makes one go out of control. The essence of meditation/spiritual practice is to stop controlling and letting go till the mind quiets itself on its own. This is so powerful. Can one try to calm the rushing water? Only a peaceful mind can bring clear and peaceful solutions. Reality is a display of the mental activity. Let me Quote Buddha. "You are what you think". There's a level when one merges with the absolute. At this point, the mind doesn't need to be controlled and everything melts as only pure consciousness exists. At this point, we are consciousness doing human activities and this consciousness guides everything.

[truthseekerdan]

NO belief system on earth is the "one and  only true teaching".  All teachings are simply interpretations of truth.  Truth only flows from within when an individual is spiritually ready to receive it.  Many evolved teachers throughout the ages have received pure Truth,  but have been unable to pass it on to very many because those of less evolved consciousness were unable to fully comprehend what was being taught.  Because of this,  they formed concepts of what was being taught, fitting truth into their personal belief system, and then organizing it.  Truth can never be organized or it is lost among those not ready.


There is an old saying;  "If you can name it, or see it, that is not IT" for Divine Consciousness can never be comprehended by the mind.  This is the purpose of meditation, to move the seeker beyond the plotting, planning, busy, human mind.  The one and only truth is; "I AM", words for which the master Jeshua was put to death by an un-awakened society unable to comprehend the true meaning of these sacred words.  Much love and wisdom 💜

[greybeard]

Good to see you Dan.
Thanks for the post.
Chris

[Wind]

"Happiness is your real nature. You identify with yourself with the body and mind, feel it’s limitations, and suffer. Realize your true self in order to open the store of happiness. That true self is the reality, the Supreme Truth, which is the self of all the world you now see, the self of all the selves, the One real, the Supreme, the Eternal self – as distinct from the ego or the bodily idea for the self." ~ Ramana Maharshi


Here Thich Nhat Hanh talks about nirvana.

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[Guish]

Wind,

The example of the impermanent nature of the clouds to explain the impermanent nature of reality through the eyes of perception was very deep.

[Wind]

"We must learn to let go, to renounce voluntarily that which destiny is determined to take away from us. Such an acceptance is the only way to find peace and the only effective path to lasting happiness. We must cease to regard our individual possessions and relationships as set for all time."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Guish]

What is truth?

Impermanence of matter
Awareness of a blissful state behind the mind
Misleading ego who claims to be real.

Once this is understood, one is liberated from the social conditioning and ready for the spiritual journey.

[GarethBKK]

Thought I'd beat Wind today in posting a daily dose of Mooji :-)

Fall in love with the emptiness
Fall in love with love
Just don't create a story
Mooji

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[greybeard]

Some things you cant get too much of Gareth or over dose on.
Thanks
Chris

[Wind]

Some things you cant get too much of Gareth or over dose on.

I hope so, Chris. :)

My Love, continue merging in the source. Yours is a great calling.
You are discharging your river of names and forms into the nameless ocean of pure Being.
In doing so, others can witness and taste, through you, the light, joy, wisdom, love and peace, which they have heard only as a rumour until now.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

While SEVA (service to others) is admirable its possible to get into "Im the one who is doing this--all credit to me for being a kind and generous person"
In other words the ego is being very sneaky in using a spiritual path to keep one in duality--me and the less fortunate.
That's not to say SEVA cant be done with out ego getting in there.

The path of Sainthood is not the same as the uncovering of Self.
All identification of person hood needs to be released--"Of my self I do nothing, it is the Father within".
Realisation is the most challenging of all pursuits.
Nothing more difficult or rewarding.
Those who are enlightened will honestly say---Nothing worked.
However you have to be looking so That which you are seeking finds you.
Enlightenment can be likened to an accident however there are ways of becoming accident prone.
The tried and tested meditation and becoming aware whenever a claim on being the author of acts comes up--that's ego.
Surrender to the will of the Divine which ultimately reveals itself as You---not a personal you though.

Most of this post is paraphrased from Bart Marshall interviews on videos further back in the thread.
Well worth watching.

Chris

[Guish]

Pretty much, Chris. Vast emptiness and no holiness. The irony is that the emptiness is holy by nature. One would do acts of grace without thinking or feeling satisfied/happy/proud.

Helping an old person who can't walk.
Seeing other children as your own and smiling to them
Work without thinking about reward
Love without clinging.

The list can go on and on but that gives an insight to the readers.

[greybeard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6fbT4vKGp0


This Satsang happened in a chai shop near the Open Satsangs venue, the night before Sri Mooji left Rishikesh.

The seeds of Grace are already planted inside you. The posture of your heart and your attention should be always just to say, "Yes, rid me of ego and merge me with You."

Nothing from the heavens ever told you you were separate. This came from the earth. This came from the earth-mind.

Music: 'Guru Mata Pita' sung by Radha (India), Duduk by Karuna (Russia)
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[Wind]

The inherent wisdom is within.
With the urge for truth you will discover it.
It will destroy all delusion.
But in order for it to blossom and bloom, you must place your head at the feet of God, or dissolve your identity in unmixed consciousness.
Your heart has to become wide and open, and filled with devotion, surrender and the urge for freedom.
Then that mighty power will arise.
It does not destroy ego; just in its presence all delusions disappear.

~ Mooji

[Rich]

You imagine all your dreams, the characters in them, the action going on, the relationship between the characters.
The same way you wake up of a night-dream, some day you wake up out of this waking-state dream
to the fact that you're dreaming the whole thing.
~Lester Levenson

[Innocent Warrior]

EGO VS ECO

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[greybeard]

Good to see you here Innocent Warrior.
Yes mankind via ego--greed--is killing wild life and therefore us.
The River Ness is normally teeming with salmon at this time of year, not so this spring, not one seen so far.
Might be down to the massive oil pollution in the Gulf of Mexico.
The only answer is a shift in the consciousness of humans to my mind.
An evolved species would see all as one and therefore act accordingly.

Love Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

The only answer is a shift in the consciousness of humans to my mind.
An evolved species would see all as one and therefore act accordingly.

Of this, I have no doubt...even in my mind.

Thank you for your warm welcome, Chris, and thanks for having me.

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:heart:

[Guish]

IW, it took you a long time to come on this thread. You kept us waiting.:Party:

[greybeard]

IW, it took you a long time to come on this thread. You kept us waiting.:Party:

Well we could do with more feminine input on the thread Guish.

Chris

[Wind]

Once the consciousness truly catches hold of its own root and begins digesting and confirming its own recognition,
it’s true seeing, there is no turning back.
The world, the sense of personhood, of ‘I’ and ‘other'—the whole thing collapses…
You have crossed over.
You are genuinely cured of the delusion of personhood.
You come to an end of effort, separation and practice.
It’s hard to convince the world that It, the real Self, is there before practice.
How can you practice to be what you already are?
The trouble is: People don’t really know they are That.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

Thanks Wind.
Mooji always comes up with something fresh and alive.

Love Chris

[Wind]

It's great to see that many members are taking part in this great thread, I find TraineeHuman's thread very good too when it comes to these matters.

By thought, the ego was made; by thought, the ego's power can be unmade. But the thought must be directed toward a higher entity, for the ego's willingness to attack itself is only a pretense. Direct it constantly to the Overself, be mentally devoted to the Overself, and emotionally love the Overself. Can it then refuse to help you?

The way to be admitted to the Overself's presence can be summed up in a single phrase: love it. Not by breathing in very hard nor by blowing out very slow, not by standing on the head nor by contorting like a frog can admission be gained. Not even by long study of things divine nor by acute analysis of them. But let the love come first, let it inspire the breathing, blowing, standing, or contorting, let it draw to the study and drive to the thinking, and then these methods will become really fruitful.

The best way to honour this immense truth of the ever-present reality of the Overself is to remember it--as often, as continuously, and as determinedly as possible. It is not only the best way but also the most rewarding one. For then its saving grace may bestow great blessing.

He does not have to think meanly of himself all the time, does not have to worry anxiously about his unworthy character. Rather should he learn to get more relaxed, more remindful of the existence of his diviner being.

This act of recollection requires no effort, no exercise of the power of will. It is an act of turning in, through and by the power of love, toward the source of being. Love redirects the attention and love keeps it concentrated, sustained, obedient.

~ Paul Brunton

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[Guish]

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[Wind]

Guish, I don't know if it's just my computer, but I couldn't see your picture so I had to copy the link. Very beautiful!

"Doing is never enough if you neglect being.”

~ Eckhart Tolle

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[greybeard]

A Nasargadatta quote

"There is progress all the time. Everything contributes to progress. But this is the progress of ignorance. The circles of ignorance may be ever widening, yet it remains bondage all the same. In due course a "Guru" appears to teach and inspires to practise Yoga (Means union) and a ripening takes place as a result of which the immemorial night of ignorance dissolves before the rising sun of wisdom. But in reality nothing happened. The sun is always there, there is no night to it; the mind is blinded by the " I am the body" idea, spins out endlessly its thread of illusion.

Even effort is part of it. When ignorance becomes obstinate and hard and the character becomes perverted, effort and pain of it becomes inevitable. In complete obedience to nature there is no effort. The seed of spiritual life grows in silence and darkness until its appointed hour."

[Guish]

Guish, I don't know if it's just my computer, but I couldn't see your picture so I had to copy the link. Very beautiful!

"Doing is never enough if you neglect being.”

~ Eckhart Tolle

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Sorted it out brother.

[Rich]

I couldn't see anything either, was thinking it might be a lesson about nothingness
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[Wind]

I couldn't see anything either, was thinking it might be a lesson about nothingness

Good one.

I would like to see if we could come to the place that is totally beyond the concepts.
‘Not difficult’ and ‘Worth every moment’.
The conceptual realm causes so much trouble and the main glue
to the conceptual realm is this unqualified ‘I’ feeling.
If you want to find out anything at all in this realm find out what the ‘I’ is.
Most spiritual effort is to create the shift of perspective
from the limited realm of personhood into the state of Presence.
The state of Presence is synonymous with the sense ‘I Am’

~ Mooji

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[Guish]

I couldn't see anything either, was thinking it might be a lesson about nothingness
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Spot on. I remember Buddha had to give a lecture about spirituality. He gave a rose to a person and sat silently. He left after a few hours.

[Innocent Warrior]

"Doing is never enough if you neglect being.”

~ Eckhart Tolle

An excerpt from The Power of Now (for anyone who hasn't read it, it's in a Q&A format), p107 - p108.

"I am still not quite sure if I fully understand what you mean by Being

Water? What do you mean by that? I don't understand it. This is what a fish would say if it had a human mind.

Please stop trying to understand Being. You have already had significant glimpses of Being, but the mind will always try to squeeze it into a little box and then put a label on it. I t cannot be done. It cannot become an abject of knowledge. In Being, subject and object merge into one.

Being can be felt as the ever-present I am that is beyond name and form. To feel and thus to know that you are and to abide in that deeply rooted state is enlightenment, is the truth that Jesus says will make you free.

Free from what?

Free from the illusion that you are nothing more than your physical body and your mind. This "illusion of the self", as the Buddha calls it, is the core error. Free from fear in its countless disguises as the inevitable consequence of that illusion - the fear that is your constant tormentor as long as you derive your sense of self only from this ephemeral and vulnerable form. And free from sin, which is the suffering you unconsciously inflict on yourself and others as long as the illusory sense of self governs what you think, say, and do." ~ Eckhart Tolle

[Wind]

Your life used to belong to you — at least you had this feeling.
But now it is belonging to God, and you are slowly melting and merging here.
At a certain point you will disappear.
When you disappear, unexpectedly you will find you are fully here in the most alive way.
This is the mystery, a paradox that the mind will not understand easily.
Trust is the key.
Stay open.
Live with a 'yes' inside your Heart for all that is true.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

"Doing is never enough if you neglect being.”

~ Eckhart Tolle

An excerpt from The Power of Now (for anyone who hasn't read it, it's in a Q&A format), p107 - p108.

"I am still not quite sure if I fully understand what you mean by Being

Water? What do you mean by that? I don't understand it. This is what a fish would say if it had a human mind.

Please stop trying to understand Being. You have already had significant glimpses of Being, but the mind will always try to squeeze it into a little box and then put a label on it. I t cannot be done. It cannot become an abject of knowledge. In Being, subject and object merge into one.

Being can be felt as the ever-present I am that is beyond name and form. To feel and thus to know that you are and to abide in that deeply rooted state is enlightenment, is the truth that Jesus says will make you free.

Free from what?

Free from the illusion that you are nothing more than your physical body and your mind. This "illusion of the self", as the Buddha calls it, is the core error. Free from fear in its countless disguises as the inevitable consequence of that illusion - the fear that is your constant tormentor as long as you derive your sense of self only from this ephemeral and vulnerable form. And free from sin, which is the suffering you unconsciously inflict on yourself and others as long as the illusory sense of self governs what you think, say, and do." ~ Eckhart Tolle

The mind represents the waves in the ocean while the soul is the ocean. The waves cannot exist without the ocean.
Let's define reality. Reality is something that cannot be changed. Hence, what is real? Mind, body, experiences, love, hate, money, faith, identity? Clear all your confusions till you realize your purest state, the soul. Meditation is a scientific way of experiencing the soul as it permits to get detached from the body and the mind. Yet, it's not the only way...

[betoobig]

i am.
i belong to Source.

LOVE

Juan

PS: THanks a lot, all you´re posting id right on time.
BTW i love the concept Overself instead of higherself

[greybeard]

i am.
i belong to Source.

LOVE

Juan

PS: THanks a lot, all you´re posting id right on time.
BTW i love the concept Overself instead of higherself

Its a step at a time Juan

Eventually comes the full realisation that you are Source, One without a second. That is non-duality

Until "you" can speak from that realisation it may well be best to see Source as the Ultimate, all powerful and yourself as requiring help.


I pray for removal of obstacles to Truth.
Yet the sages say I am praying ultimately to my Self.

There are many paradoxes in spirituality

Its beyond understanding.

Chris

[Guish]

i am.
i belong to Source.

LOVE

Juan

PS: THanks a lot, all you´re posting id right on time.
BTW i love the concept Overself instead of higherself

Its a step at a time Juan

Eventually comes the full realisation that you are Source, One without a second. That is non-duality

Until "you" can speak from that realisation it may well be best to see Source as the Ultimate, all powerful and yourself as requiring help.


I pray for removal of obstacles to Truth.
Yet the sages say I am praying ultimately to my Self.

There are many paradoxes in spirituality

Its beyond understanding.

Chris

I've experienced god/soul as pure energy inside a void which is timeless, beyond the mind. Ultimately, it's inside you. It's also outside you as the same energy makes the universe function. Everything comes from nothing. The universe is surrounded by the void (anti-matter). As you get inside your body, the particles become smaller and smaller till you reach a Photon and ultimately it leads to nothing (anti-matter). The anti-matter is the soul. Hence, the world is an illusion.

Remember the Zen Quote:"The universe is found inside you". Look at the picture I showed my students. A brain cell is similar to the galaxy.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.46r52aG%2bgNO4kHcOySWH6w&pid=15.1&P=0

Goodnight Friends,

10.30 p.m here. Time to meet god.

[Guish]

i am.
i belong to Source.

LOVE

Juan

PS: THanks a lot, all you´re posting id right on time.
BTW i love the concept Overself instead of higherself

Glad it helps. If people do realise the truth about the soul, everything falls apart. Religion,racism, mind control,........ Our real nature is a blessing. As yogananda said, you can create your own heaven inside you. However, the heaven is already there hidden. Go find it brother.

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i am.
i belong to Source.

LOVE

Juan

PS: THanks a lot, all you´re posting id right on time.
BTW i love the concept Overself instead of higherself

Its a step at a time Juan

Eventually comes the full realisation that you are Source, One without a second. That is non-duality

Until "you" can speak from that realisation it may well be best to see Source as the Ultimate, all powerful and yourself as requiring help.


I pray for removal of obstacles to Truth.
Yet the sages say I am praying ultimately to my Self.

There are many paradoxes in spirituality

Its beyond understanding.

Chris

I'm doing this prayer today. Thanks Chris. I've a Scottish colleague who's the opposite of you. God bless her. I'll tell you later.

[greybeard]

i am.
i belong to Source.

LOVE

Juan

PS: THanks a lot, all you´re posting id right on time.
BTW i love the concept Overself instead of higherself

Its a step at a time Juan

Eventually comes the full realisation that you are Source, One without a second. That is non-duality

Until "you" can speak from that realisation it may well be best to see Source as the Ultimate, all powerful and yourself as requiring help.


I pray for removal of obstacles to Truth.
Yet the sages say I am praying ultimately to my Self.

There are many paradoxes in spirituality

Its beyond understanding.

Chris

I've experienced god/soul as pure energy inside a void which is timeless, beyond the mind. Ultimately, it's inside you. It's also outside you as the same energy makes the universe function. Everything comes from nothing. The universe is surrounded by the void (anti-matter). As you get inside your body, the particles become smaller and smaller till you reach a Photon and ultimately it leads to nothing (anti-matter). The anti-matter is the soul. Hence, the world is an illusion.

Remember the Zen Quote:"The universe is found inside you". Look at the picture I showed my students. A brain cell is similar to the galaxy.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.46r52aG%2bgNO4kHcOySWH6w&pid=15.1&P=0

Goodnight Friends,

10.30 p.m here. Time to meet god.

Thanks Guish for all you bring here.

On the front of a book by Ramesh Balsekar was a spider web
Now that's very like your pictures of brain cell and galaxy.
My knowledge of this is nil but string theory rings a bell.
Everything interconnected ---just different frequencies --vibrations
Mystics sitting meditating in cave came up with the structure of the atom--long before science discovered it.

Twenty years ago I hear a sage say "There is only one soul and I am that"
I was not ready to hear this then---I get it now.
It relates to "Look under any rock and you will find me" think Christ said that.
There is nowhere God is not.

A friend once said to me--- "If you think God does not know what you are going to do next, think again"
There is quite a clue in that one.

Chris

[Wind]

"As above, so below."

"I seem, like everything else, to be a center, a sort of vortex, at which the whole energy of the universe realizes itself. Each one of us, not only human beings but every leaf, every weed, exists in the way it does, only because everything else around it does. The individual and the universe are inseparable."

~ Alan Watts

https://creativesystemsthinking.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/288986448_f264813b50_o_2.jpg?w=590&h=332

[bodhii71]

Greetings everyone,
Stopping in to drop off a few videos.While neither of these teachers seem to come from the traditional non-dual world, it seems to me to be the natural course of awakening. I still very much enjoy traditional teachers and feel a resonance where there is devotion, yet a "how to" seems helpful and needed at times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8997sJ_lmtI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tltx0Ipc3UU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NQCdeacfKo

[GarethBKK]

I (a convenient label for this personality in the manifest of all of this) have many Buddhist acquaintances, both Westerners and Asians. Those that seek gnosis, rather than pure devotion, often report of the void, nothingness, emptiness in their meditation. Smile. How is nothingness experienceable? Who is the observer of this experience that enables a reporting of it? Keep going on the exploration within. Don't stop at nothingness or silence or anything else. Keep going to find out the answer to the question 'Who am I?'. The remembering is not complete until all the world of form is united with all that lies beyond the void. "Be in this world, but not of it."

[Innocent Warrior]

I found a brilliant lecture on how our perception (which is determined by our beliefs) controls our reality and body, specifically our DNA. It's not so much entertaining (although Bruce Lipton is an excellent educator and he makes it all very clear) but it is highly educational and empowering.

As we know, our emotions are all either fear or love based, so essentially each choice is based on fear or love. This is important, regarding DNA activation, fear shuts down our DNA switches and love turns them on (activates our DNA), see a diagram here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81615-Do-you-want-to-live-for-ever-Maybe-you-can-----&p=954199&viewfull=1#post954199).

In this lecture, Bruce Lipton breaks the anatomy of our biology down and explains, blow by blow, how this is true and how it works. This also illustrates how we are actually responsible for the state of our body, our genes are not, they are merely a blueprint. Once we understand this knowledge, we are not just responsible anymore, we understand how to actually choose and create both our reality and our own body and it all comes down to a simple choice between love and fear. :)

I understand that we already know this choice between fear and love, that's like knowing we have the reigns of our reality in our hands, but to see it all laid out like this is like someone coming up to us and showing us how the reigns work and how to use them to steer our life.

It's an hour long but well worth the watch and if you do, it's best to watch it to the very end, or you may miss some crucial details.

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[Rich]

Many excellent posts :dog:

Innocent Warrior your post is from a rather scientific POV which is also interesting.

Very true, we do create our reality or put in another way, we are the reality we experience.

There is no physical reality, except your definition of it. There is nothing outside of you. ~Bashar


My brother told me something like ''Don't tell people that they create their reality, they will understand it the wrong way.''

As you already said it comes down to the choice of love or fear, our reality will reflect that back to us so
we do not need to learn how to create but simply see that we are Love and loved.

You do not have to learn how to manifest, this is automatic. ~Bashar

One thing I am doing when someone does something to me is ask: ''How did I cause this?''
It's in my reality so I am responsible for it.
When I don't take responsibility I am saying there is something outside
of me and thereby create separation mentally.

You're the only one in it, no matter what it looks like. ~Bashar

[Innocent Warrior]

Many excellent posts :dog:

Innocent Warrior your post is from a rather scientific POV which is also interesting.

Very true, we do create our reality or put in another way, we are the reality we experience.

There is no physical reality, except your definition of it. There is nothing outside of you. ~Bashar


My brother told me something like ''Don't tell people that they create their reality, they will understand it the wrong way.''

As you already said it comes down to the choice of love or fear, our reality will reflect that back to us so
we do not need to learn how to create but simply see that we are Love and loved.

You do not have to learn how to manifest, this is automatic. ~Bashar

One thing I am doing when someone does something to me is ask: ''How did I cause this?''
It's in my reality so I am responsible for it.
When I don't take responsibility I am saying there is something outside
of me and thereby create separation mentally.

You're the only one in it, no matter what it looks like. ~Bashar

Yes, you make some excellent points! Perhaps it's more accurate for me to say, this lecture gave me a much clearer view on how our vibration affects our physical reality, what do you think? More elegant and accurate?

Update: I just came back to check for your reply and re-read your post and realised you have already covered my question. Sorry, I'm misreading things a bit lately, not sure why, hopefully it's because of something like I'm rewiring my brain at a staggering rate. ;)

"Very true, we do create our reality or put in another way, we are the reality we experience." - agreed, this is a far more effective way to put it.

[Shadowman]

Once we understand this knowledge, we are not just responsible anymore, we understand how to actually choose and create both our reality and our own body and it all comes down to a simple choice between love and fear. :)

I understand that we already know this choice between fear and love, that's like knowing we have the reigns of our reality in our hands, but to see it all laid out like this is like someone coming up to us and showing us how the reigns work and how to use them to steer our life.



Hi IW,

Or to put it another way a choice between Reality and Illusion.

It may be helpful to make a distinction in the interpretation of a popular maxim;

“You create your own reality”

Black magic, in this context, is the ability to influence any aspect of the dualistic experience, be it a change in the subjective observer, or more often, a change in aspects of the world which is experienced. This is usually done in service to the apparent relative self or ego. Whether it is perceived as contributing to good or evil is relative to those observing.

As such it involves creating or manifesting such objects or experiences that the ego prefers, while eliminating or dispelling those objects and experiences which the ego rejects or dislikes.

Ultimately however, regardless of how powerful or adept the ego apparently becomes, it is still, in reality, an illusion. The more powerful it seems, the more powerful the illusion of separation. Which is why those who genuinely seek to know the truth of who they are, are advised against utilizing any powers or Siddhi’s which may manifest in their endeavours. Such utilization simply strengthens the illusion of duality.

White magic, in this context, is not only understanding that while the mind creates/projects the experienced outer universe, as well as the ego or subjective perceiver, but is also transcending the illusions or planes of duality to realize the plenary reality in which all such phenomena occur.

Once this Absolute Reality is known to be your true Self, you no longer choose Love, but more accurately are it, although here word’s mostly fail. Whether the waves are dancing or clashing, are giant tsunami's or tiny ripples, or are temporarily absent, has no effect on the ocean.

Fear is due to the incorrect identification (by the ego) with temporary phenomena. Both the subjective observer, and the phenomena observed are illusions. But because the ego takes itself to be real, it fears not only it’s own death, but the death of anything which underpins it’s apparent continued existence, be it friends, relatives, beliefs, concept’s etc.

An ego can choose relative or conditional love over fear, but this is not the same as the Love inherent in the direct realization of non-dual Reality.

This is why genuinely enlightened Being(‘s) such as Buddha advocate equanimity, or Jesus is reported to have said “Do not resist evil...” . It does not make worldly sense, but to meet hatred with Love, to meet pleasure and pain with equanimity, to act selflessly ie without ego, all bring one into alignment with Pure Awareness, or the True Self.

Alignment of actions and thoughts with Awareness/Love diminish the relative ego, alignment of actions and thoughts with the illusory ego produce everything from conditional love/attachment, to fear and hatred, and strengthen the illusion of duality.

It is not a question of if you will awaken, for you are already the Reality of which I speak. It is simply a question of the illusion evanescing, each at their own pace. The clouds which block the light will one day disappear and then it will be perfectly clear that there is eternally only One Sky.....

In Lak’ech
tim

[greybeard]

Karma negation

Here are two prayers I have been using morning and night.

First thing in the morning.

"Beloved Lord of my heart
I am born now from the womb of sleep.
I am determined to carry out all acts this day
with You always present before my minds eye.
Make my words thoughts and deeds sacred and pure
Let not injure anyone let no one injure me.
Guide me direct me this day.”

Last thing at night.

“Beloved Lord of my heart
The acts of this day, who's burden I placed on you this morning, are now over.
It was you who made me walk, talk, think and act.
I therefore place at Thy feet all my words, thoughts and deeds.
Receive me now I am coming home to you.”

Chris

Ps as Tim says--You are already home.

Good to see you here Tim.
Your input is always appreciated.

With love
Chris

[greybeard]

This Is It! – The Final Satsang in Rishikesh - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO WATCH

I posted this before but if you missed it I recommend checking it out, there is so much in it.
There is a bit of background traffic noise but that diminishes.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6fbT4vKGp0

[Innocent Warrior]

I've been pondering what EmEX and tim posted and I finally see the thing about how we "BE love". I kept getting frustrated because no matter how hard I tried I still couldn't seem to let go and just be. I thought, if I know and I can see then why can't I be?

I was mistaken, without realising it, I thought choosing love was being love, but it's not. We literally have to be love, be us. Due to a situation, with this fresh in mind, I did it and experienced it and now I see.

Amazing, thank you, powerful words.

Thanks for the prayers, Chris, and I look forward to the video. :)

[betoobig]

To me the hardest part is been giving control away, once achive i falled in love with all there is.
I am support by source as i am source. I love source.
Thanks GReybeard for the prayers; sincronicities are incredible in this thread, i was looking for some prayers. The best definition of prayer i heard is "a conversation with source"
Thanks Guiss and Wind.
Thanks to you too IW, you´re doing the right questions so you´re finding the right answers... just great.

LOVE

Juan

[Guish]

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[Wind]

I am highly enjoying the discussions and contributions here, dear friends.

The greatest disciples of a master like Christ were not necessarily his contemporaries. Perhaps his greatest disciple has not yet come.
It may not be one of the twelve. They may have been good, but the best one may not have been there at the actual time of the historical Christ.
The power of his words and spirit will produce a true devotee. ‘The best one’ means one who disappeared in the teachings due to that ultimate understanding.
One in whom the concept of separation has perished.

~ Mooji

[Meggings]

My goodness gracious! I have not read the posts here for a bit and there is SO MUCH to catch up on. I felt lilting joy as my cursor passed across your posts, making me eager to come back with time to see the videos and read the thoughts.

I saw beloved Juan speak of prayers, saying best is a "conversation with Source". Yes, and I find more and more my conversation is a "falling upwards" into Source, into love, into near bliss. Greybeard, akin to your prayers you share with us, I fashioned some so long ago I cannot remember the words, but the intent was similar. Now my prayer is more constant, more feeling, more inner - fewer words.

You guys are fantastic. Thanks for being here on this beloved planet.

[Guish]

I am highly enjoying the discussions and contributions here, dear friends.

The greatest disciples of a master like Christ were not necessarily his contemporaries. Perhaps his greatest disciple has not yet come.
It may not be one of the twelve. They may have been good, but the best one may not have been there at the actual time of the historical Christ.
The power of his words and spirit will produce a true devotee. ‘The best one’ means one who disappeared in the teachings due to that ultimate understanding.
One in whom the concept of separation has perished.

~ Mooji

The true devotee doesn't want to be known as recognition reinforces the ego.
The true devotee has nothing to prove
The true devotee is empty of any concepts
The true devotee completely melts in its surroundings
The true devotee simply is, it doesn't work towards anything. Yet it does everything.

[Zampano]

I am quite busy these days, but I just wanted write a short sentence or two on love or unconditional love.

On the spiritual path, some people get glimpses on how it feels to be with Source/God. It happened to me and it were glimpses of the interconnectness of all that is.
And an overwhelming love, compassion, trust and joy for everything that is.
And you are that...so, logically thinking-you do not want to harm yourself.

But still, you have to make decisions every day. You never ever had control in your life, you are never making decisions-its just a roleplay, playing out itself.
I use a simple method before making major decisions...I stand up straight and ask Source my question. Push me forward=yes, but me back=no.
Mostly, before I ask the question, the answer comes to me. Sometimes the answers are not logically to the mind, but still I follow.
Ego doesnt like that ;-)

So I trust everything what comes in my life, at the first look it doesnt seem positive, but well, on the long run everything worked out for the good.

Good to have you here guys and girls
All the best
Guenther

[Rich]

I find this audio from Bashar quite powerful
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Lester Levenson:

However, I began to see that I could regulate the amount of power and
intelligence for my own use and that I could have control of it. I liked that so I
began to dig at it.
I began to examine thinking, and its relationship to what was happening. And I
saw that whatever was happening had a thought behind it at some time prior.
And that the reason I had never before related the two was because of the
element of time between the thought and the happening.
But I did discover that with everything that was happening to me I'd had a
thought of it before it happened; and that, if I could grab hold of this concept and
find a way to use it, I could consciously pre-determine everything that would
happen to me!
Above all, I saw that I was responsible for everything that had happened to me,
formerly thinking that the world was abusing me! And I saw that my tremendous
effort to make money and then losing it was due only to my thinking; that I had
been always seeking happiness, and thought that making money would do it. So
whenever the business started to make money, and the money did not bring me
the happiness I wanted, I began to lose interest and the thing collapsed. I had
always blamed it on other people and circumstances, not realizing that it was
simply my subconscious knowledge that this is not happiness which caused me
to lose interest and that, in turn, caused the business to collapse.
This was a tremendous piece of freedom, to think that I am not a victim of this
world, that it lies within my power to arrange the world the way I want it to be;
that rather than be an effect of it, I can now be in control of it and arrange it the
way I would like it to be. That was a tremendous realization, a tremendous
feeling of freedom.
~Excerpt from Lester Levenson Story

Let me conclude with the following: You are responsible
for everything that you feel. It's your feelings; it's your
thoughts. You turn them on; you think them, and no one
else but you does it, and you act as though you have no
control! You turn a faucet on your head and you say.
“Oh, someone is getting me all wet.” It's you who's
turning on the faucet and getting yourself wet. So your
direction has been, remains, and will be, take full
responsibility for what's happening to you.
~Lester Levenson (from book ''Keys to Ultimate Freedom'')


Shortened transcript from a Bashar audio :

You understand that you have already a core natural vibration that represents
the unique you that you are, yes? That core frequency beams from you all the
time just like a lighthouse beacon, you can't help it, you're always radiating that
core vibration that represents the true natural you.

Everything - everything, that is in in alignment and is reflective of that core vibration
is doing it's best to get to you. Everything that is not representative of that core
true vibration is doing it's best to get as far away from you as it possibly can.

The things that are out of alignment with your true vibration that seem to still
stick around, is not because you're not attracting what is in alignment, it's
because your not letting go of what is out of alignment.

Everything that is attempting to get to you that is in alignment, if it's not coming
to you, it's not because you're not attracting it, it's because your keeping it at
bay with your beliefs.
That said the law of attraction is really about letting go, and letting in.

[Wind]

"If it is true that Divine Grace alone can bring the quest to a successful terminus, it is likewise true that human effort must precede and thus invoke the descent of Grace. What is needed to call down Grace is, first, a humility that is utter and complete, deeply earnest and absolutely sincere, secondly, an offering of self to the Overself, a dedication of earthly being to spiritual essence, and, thirdly, a daily practice of devotional exercise."

"It is because thinking must always have an object with which to occupy itself that it can never penetrate the Overself, for here there is only the One. We must renounce thoughts and things if we would enter into the Absolute."

"It is a whisper which comes out of the utter silence, a light which glimmers where all was sable night. It is the mysterious herald of the Overself."

~ Paul Brunton

[Latti]

Bashar resonates in me more than any entity that I've ever read or listened to, even though I can't always wrap my mind around what he says.

[greybeard]

Bashar resonates in me more than any entity that I've ever read or listened to, even though I can't always wrap my mind around what he says.

Good to see you here Latti.
Whatever works for you.
Sometimes I get things a bit at a time, just a question of keeping on listening.

Chris

[greybeard]

Something that I have become more deeply aware is true.

I am self aware---in that I do not need anything exterior or interior to know that I exist.
I can now see that any self definition limits me--- I am not this not that.
Nothing can describe me.
I get it why sages say that I am neither male nor female--the current body is male--I am the in dweller in a 1945 model human body.

Im not aware of being anything other than I am or rather am when I wake up---its taken as is, without any thought to confirm.
Not even initially aware of having a body

Then the trouble begins--- laughing--
The first thought requires some thing of me.
I have to perform as X Y or Z --whatever false identity I have in the moment--all virtually automatic.
Might find kindness or the opposite is the role--or any other trait inherent in this persona.

So there you have the realisation of the moment.

Chris

[betoobig]

I so great also that the answers keep coming at me from diferente places or momentums...but same source, creating a unique simphony.

LOVE

JUan

[Guish]

The physical body stays the vehicle of the soul. It's important not to neglect the body once one realizes that one is the soul. I've also realized that we do need the body as a mode of expression for the grace of the soul. The important thing is to realize that one can express the beauty of the soul in the 3 D world in many forms. For example, your family, your job and your environment. No one is asking you to live as a hermit to experience divinity. Eventually, craving for food or desire for material things will occur on its own. Accept it gracefully. It should be happening in a calm way. Starving oneself to death or mistreating the body is not the way. It's about being a spiritual being in a human body.

[Wind]

Wang Yang-ming's disciples often remarked, The streets are full of enlightened men! By this they reiterated their Master's teaching that all men have the possibility of attaining enlightenment because all have the divine self hidden under their egoism.

~ Paul Brunton

[Rich]

It's created by mind. So was there a beginning? It's a dream, a beginning of a dream?
And then, if you really investigate that, you can see that there never was a dream.
And that's really a bummer for mind. -excerpt from Jac'O Keeffe talk

As Byron Katie said:
It takes another thought to tell you that you've had a thought.

When the mind unceasingly investigates it's own nature, it transpires that there is no such thing as mind. ~Ramana

[Guish]

I am quite busy these days, but I just wanted write a short sentence or two on love or unconditional love.

On the spiritual path, some people get glimpses on how it feels to be with Source/God. It happened to me and it were glimpses of the interconnectness of all that is.
And an overwhelming love, compassion, trust and joy for everything that is.
And you are that...so, logically thinking-you do not want to harm yourself.

But still, you have to make decisions every day. You never ever had control in your life, you are never making decisions-its just a roleplay, playing out itself.
I use a simple method before making major decisions...I stand up straight and ask Source my question. Push me forward=yes, but me back=no.
Mostly, before I ask the question, the answer comes to me. Sometimes the answers are not logically to the mind, but still I follow.
Ego doesnt like that ;-)

So I trust everything what comes in my life, at the first look it doesnt seem positive, but well, on the long run everything worked out for the good.

Good to have you here guys and girls
All the best
Guenther

Deep. You can't rely on thoughts to make decisions. An objective mind combined with the heart has worked for me so far. In other times, I was in a no-mind state.

[Guish]

I find this audio from Bashar quite powerful
0xoav-blQts

Lester Levenson:

However, I began to see that I could regulate the amount of power and
intelligence for my own use and that I could have control of it. I liked that so I
began to dig at it.
I began to examine thinking, and its relationship to what was happening. And I
saw that whatever was happening had a thought behind it at some time prior.
And that the reason I had never before related the two was because of the
element of time between the thought and the happening.
But I did discover that with everything that was happening to me I'd had a
thought of it before it happened; and that, if I could grab hold of this concept and
find a way to use it, I could consciously pre-determine everything that would
happen to me!
Above all, I saw that I was responsible for everything that had happened to me,
formerly thinking that the world was abusing me! And I saw that my tremendous
effort to make money and then losing it was due only to my thinking; that I had
been always seeking happiness, and thought that making money would do it. So
whenever the business started to make money, and the money did not bring me
the happiness I wanted, I began to lose interest and the thing collapsed. I had
always blamed it on other people and circumstances, not realizing that it was
simply my subconscious knowledge that this is not happiness which caused me
to lose interest and that, in turn, caused the business to collapse.
This was a tremendous piece of freedom, to think that I am not a victim of this
world, that it lies within my power to arrange the world the way I want it to be;
that rather than be an effect of it, I can now be in control of it and arrange it the
way I would like it to be. That was a tremendous realization, a tremendous
feeling of freedom.
~Excerpt from Lester Levenson Story

Let me conclude with the following: You are responsible
for everything that you feel. It's your feelings; it's your
thoughts. You turn them on; you think them, and no one
else but you does it, and you act as though you have no
control! You turn a faucet on your head and you say.
“Oh, someone is getting me all wet.” It's you who's
turning on the faucet and getting yourself wet. So your
direction has been, remains, and will be, take full
responsibility for what's happening to you.
~Lester Levenson (from book ''Keys to Ultimate Freedom'')


Shortened transcript from a Bashar audio :

You understand that you have already a core natural vibration that represents
the unique you that you are, yes? That core frequency beams from you all the
time just like a lighthouse beacon, you can't help it, you're always radiating that
core vibration that represents the true natural you.

Everything - everything, that is in in alignment and is reflective of that core vibration
is doing it's best to get to you. Everything that is not representative of that core
true vibration is doing it's best to get as far away from you as it possibly can.

The things that are out of alignment with your true vibration that seem to still
stick around, is not because you're not attracting what is in alignment, it's
because your not letting go of what is out of alignment.

Everything that is attempting to get to you that is in alignment, if it's not coming
to you, it's not because you're not attracting it, it's because your keeping it at
bay with your beliefs.
That said the law of attraction is really about letting go, and letting in.

Buddha said it in a simpler way. "You are what you think". I extend it to: You are when you do not think. Our inner core/soul operates without the rational mind.

[greybeard]

Its all very strange---being aware that something has happened is a fraction of a second behind reality---the reason being, is that every event is filtered.
Awareness in the spiritual sense is something different, its instant without filter of any kind.
Basically is this going to be a pain or pleasure event.
Its judged, evaluated, labelled, filed in the right box, before you are even aware of it---so now from past experience you think you know how to react to it.
What an individual will do is virtually predictable from the history of their reaction to similar events.
There is not actually a lot of free choice going on though some have a rich map of possible responses others may be very limited.
Even the reaction (in some situation) starts before one is fully aware of what happened.
What ever ---the ego/mind steps in and claims authorship.

A quick example--- child runs in front of the car, braking happens and then comes the story of how through your skill you saved a life.
Truth is, it was a reflex action--- peripheral vision is very efficient at spotting moving things

Little is as we think it to be.

I no longer have to be right and as far as opinion goes---its "May be so"-- nothing set in concrete.

Chris

[Guish]

Physical reality/events is an interpretation of the mind and the mind creates a lot of stories and throw one into confusion. It's important to reflect on experiences to improve one's expression in this world. Check whether it's the ego or higher self that acted? There will be a point where no question will be asked and one would know when it happens.

[Wind]

Don't be compassionate with your ego-mind.
Don't give space to thoughts which are not just negative but destructive and soul-oppressive.
When you are aware of the Self, the ego-mind means nothing for you.
Nothing at all.
Nothing can grow there. There is no soil for ego.
Ego can only grow if there is still some interest, belief, identity and investment in it.
So then you will have to fight with it - unavoidably.
And one gun is not enough.
You have to have a gun, grenades, a bazooka, a tank... an atomic bomb and you still can't blow the ego away.
I say - Stay only as the Self.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Oh Man, why suffer?
Leave everything and come to me.
Leave your concepts
Leave your identity
Leave your habits
Leave your moods
Leave your mind
Leave your pain

Realise you're creating your own hell

Leave your thoughts
Leave the arguments
Leave right or wrong
Leave the control
Leave the manipulation
Leave the lies

Realise you're me.

The effort is effortless
The calmness is timeless
The emptiness is priceless
The love is spontaneous
Divinity is infinity

Goodnight,
Geerish

[betoobig]

Goodnight brothers and sisters.

LOVE
Juan

[Wind]

Stay in the emptiness of Being.
Just stay there.
It is the only place where you can stay effortlessly.
And when you recognise the effortlessness of your Self,
the idea of 'staying' there will gradually fade away.
You don't have to ‘stay’ as That which is permanent;
permanence does not need to remain as permanence.
It just Is.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Anything finite/limited can't bring satisfaction
Anything unstable can't bring satisfaction
Gain or loss can't bring satisfaction
Happiness or sadness can't bring satisfaction
The quest of satisfaction can't bring satisfaction.

Search for the infinite, non-dualistic being which just needs to express/be. Empty yourself so that god can enter. The infinite void experienced prepares for the emergence of god.

[Wind]

Don't be so fixated on the field of phenomena;
it is the realm of our dynamic expression, but it is not our true abode.
Just as the tree is moving in the wind, but the root is firm and still
—be in the root of Being as Being itself.
Let your branches play in the wind of life.
That is okay, but at the root you must be strong,
otherwise you will be uprooted.
Know that the Self cannot be uprooted.
Confirm your Self as one with Truth.

~ Mooji

Monte Sahaja 2015

[Guish]

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[GarethBKK]

Here's a two-part video of Adyashanti (a most lovable Zen teacher) discussing two of the Buddha's teachings. The first is the 'Middle Way', where Adya talks of letting go of grasping and pushing i.e. finding the stillness where grasping at things has been let go of, and nothing is rejected. All is accepted as is.

The second part talks about 'No-self'. I see so many sincere spiritual seekers not let go of self. So many glimpses of awakening to the presence of all that is, but a stubbornness that it must be happening to someone. To discover all, there must be an end to personhood. This is all happening, but it's not happening to anyone. The inference that there is a 'me' has to be let go of.

Adya does an excellent job of explaining that the following are all inferences, which upon examination are unfindable.


There's thoughts. There must be a 'me' they belong to.
There's feelings. They must be mine.
There's a life. It must belong to me.
There's a body. It's my body.
There's an identity. It must be mine.
There's a belief. That belief must belong to somebody. Therefore, it's mine.

Mooji talks regularly of the end of personhood. Sri Ramana Marhashi's 'Who am I?' enquiry is to drive to the point where 'I' no longer holds any truth. In Part 2 of this video series, Adya puts things as simply as is possible. Hope it helps.

Part 1 (11:51)

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Part 2 (11:48)

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[greybeard]

Thanks Gareth
There are quite a few Adya videos far back in the thread---these that you posted are excellent.
Love Chris

[greybeard]

Mention of pushing away, pulling is also in this Mooji meditation video.
Its relatively short.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3CZfmSX580

[Guish]

Here's a two-part video of Adyashanti (a most lovable Zen teacher) discussing two of the Buddha's teachings. The first is the 'Middle Way', where Adya talks of letting go of grasping and pushing i.e. finding the stillness where grasping at things has been let go of, and nothing is rejected. All is accepted as is.

The second part talks about 'No-self'. I see so many sincere spiritual seekers not let go of self. So many glimpses of awakening to the presence of all that is, but a stubbornness that it must be happening to someone. To discover all, there must be an end to personhood. This is all happening, but it's not happening to anyone. The inference that there is a 'me' has to be let go of.

Adya does an excellent job of explaining that the following are all inferences, which upon examination are unfindable.


There's thoughts. There must be a 'me' they belong to.
There's feelings. They must be mine.
There's a life. It must belong to me.
There's a body. It's my body.
There's an identity. It must be mine.
There's a belief. That belief must belong to somebody. Therefore, it's mine.

Mooji talks regularly of the end of personhood. Sri Ramana Marhashi's 'Who am I?' enquiry is to drive to the point where 'I' no longer holds any truth. In Part 2 of this video series, Adya puts things as simply as is possible. Hope it helps.

Part 1 (11:51)

HoaAGBoy09c

Part 2 (11:48)

fkG2k7Smmeo

Enjoyed it, it was a very clear way of communicating. We still need to use" I" to communicate with others but deep down, the I is referring to the absolute and not our ego/identity.

[Rich]

letting go of grasping and pushing i.e. finding the stillness where grasping at things has been let go of, and nothing is rejected. All is accepted as is.


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From her facebook page.




Prior to all attention. ~Jac

[GarethBKK]

Thanks Gareth
There are quite a few Adya videos far back in the thread---these that you posted are excellent.
Love Chris

Indeed, Chris. I'm fairly sure it was a post on this thread that pointed me to Adya some years ago. I've read all his books. In the experience of all of this, who is guiding who? Fascinating. I'm here daily and highly appreciative of all who post here. There is a lot of love.

[greybeard]

Thanks Gareth
There are quite a few Adya videos far back in the thread---these that you posted are excellent.
Love Chris

Indeed, Chris. I'm fairly sure it was a post on this thread that pointed me to Adya some years ago. I've read all his books. In the experience of all of this, who is guiding who? Fascinating. I'm here daily and highly appreciative of all who post here. There is a lot of love.

Mooji is whom I watch the most of at the moment, however I find that when im inclined to back to earlier "favourites" I now get what they are saying--laughing.
With love
Chris

[Wind]

A week or two ago I bought Adyashanti's book called Falling into Grace: Insights on the End of Suffering. I haven't managed to start it yet, but I will. These days some shorter videos are easier for me to digest. Lately I have also done something which I haven't usually done and that is that I have meditated almost every day, at least for a five minutes at a time. The best time for me is the silent morning or late night. I think I should make it a routine and not be too lazy about it. It brings inner peace and comfort, science also says that meditation indeed brings good health too and that's what we truly need. Inner & outer equilibrium.

Don't take the world upon your shoulders.
You don't have such a responsibility.
Your responsibility is to find and be your Self.
Nobody can save this world. Leave all to God.
Also it is good to know and have this attitude
that nothing in this world belongs to you—not even 'you'.
Everything is Him alone.
When you know this, all suffering and sorrows will go.
The space that remains is your true Self—who is He.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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[greybeard]

A Simple and Profound Introduction to Self-Inquiry by Sri Mooji

In this Satsang, Sri Mooji re-introduces Self-Inquiry in a very profound but very clear and simple way for everyone. This Satsang is recommended for all to watch – new and 'old' to inquiry.

"We don’t need to know many things – we just become confused; you just need to know the right thing – the thing you need to know now. You don’t need 50 keys to open 1 lock. You need the RIGHT key. You can have a thousand keys, and you’ll just be a thousand times confused, more lost. You just need the right key. So today I’m hoping that we have found the right key to open the mystery into our own nature. When you say, “I am….”, which ‘I’ are you referring to? When you say, ‘I’, what does it mean? This is the birth of inquiry."

Don’t be frightened by the inquiry; it is your friend. It is a tool in the pocket of your heart.


It not short but packed with that which is helpful.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSgWktJ2nE

[Wind]

The only real goal and subject of one's life should be Truth, God.
When this is your subject, then everything becomes subject.
Everything is swallowed up in and by That.
But if you make an object your subject,
then you will drift because all objects are ephemeral.
They are time-bound, whereas the Self is timeless.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

Coming of grace

"So lofty is the goal to be reached but so low is his present position, that it would be unnatural for him not to feel at times shaken by despair or oppressed by futility. Such moods, when humanity's life seems pointless and his own purposeless, when labour becomes tedious and pleasure depressing, will come over him from time to time. These dry periods, when mystical life seems boring and unreal, dull and dreary, are to be expected. They are normal experiences in every aspirant's career and their remedy is in God's hands in His good time. He is being tantalized so as to make him prize the divine visitation all the more. Most of the seekers are tried in this way. Then it also shows how helpless he is. For the last word lies with divine Grace. Yet all this is no excuse for ceasing self-effort, and so he will have to go on with his meditations and prayers and studies. For it is their activity which induces the Grace to descend."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Guish]

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What is freedom?

Emptiness and yet immense vastness.
Being everything and nothing at the same time.
Effortless effort
Simplicity in living, divinity as one's being
Serenity inside insanity
Lotus in the mud
Vehicle of pureness
Nonreactive and yet very active
Actions without thoughts
Actions without intentions
Actions without temptations.
No holiness inside this emptiness.

[greybeard]

Tom Campbell: Solving the "Hard Problem" of Physics and Consciousness

Published on 28 Apr 2015

Stephen Hawking is seeking "one simple equation" to bridge Quantum Mechanics and Relativity; The Grand Unified Theory.

Tom Campbell, physicist, proposes a simple identity; R=I. Reality equals Information.

Tom derived a Big Theory of Everything in his book MY Big TOE.

Tom Campbell states,"The 'Hard Problems' of physics exist because of the lack of understanding of our reality."

The idea that our reality is a virtual reality (a computed simulation) is slowly gaining acceptance among mainstream physicists, but logic says that a computed simulation can not compute itself.

The leap forward required, however, to continue on with the findings that our beginning started in what Edward Fredkin refers to as "other" (non-physical) somehow continues to stop short of the goal.

Here's why according to Tom Campbell:

"Consciousness has nothing to do with the physical process."

http://www.mybigTOE.com Tom's website




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZvScmqbXKo

[Rich]

There was an analogy given that your reality is like the movie screen, and this is so.
It is simply there to reflect back to you the projection of your beliefs.
But just as, the pictures that you see on the screen are just ghostly images, just a ghostly illusion,
so too are your projections, they have no more substance than the beam coming from the projector
through which you can easily pass your hand.
Now when you pass your hand through the projection beam, what do you get on the screen?
A shadow...and in that shadow there is no more reflection from the outside.
Suddenly, the shadow from your hand on the screen reveals the truth, there is nothing out there - that just comes from you.
So embrace your shadow as the revealer of the truth, that there is nothing outside yourself - all within.

~Bashar (transcribed from audio)

[Rich]

As you blend with all that is, you become all that is, and realize there never has been anything, but you. ~Bashar

[greybeard]

Hi EmEx
Yes just as you have said and Ramana used the film story years ago , with the addition that you are actually in the film as well, though you think you are only the observer.
You also posted this truth "As you blend with all that is, you become all that is, and realize there never has been anything, but you. ~Bashar"

The Bagavad Gita which was written many thousands of years ago says--more or less.
I dont remember quotes that well now.

God wrote the play
God produced the play
God directed the play
God is the actor in the play
God is the witness of the play

Much love
Chris

[Rich]

God wrote the play
God produced the play
God directed the play
God is the actor in the play
God is the witness of the play


Chris, I was thinking is all of Life not simply the attempt to know ones Self?
It can be attempted but never done, that's why it's called The Ever Unknowable Source.

[greybeard]

God wrote the play
God produced the play
God directed the play
God is the actor in the play
God is the witness of the play


Chris, I was thinking is all of Life not simply the attempt to know ones Self?
It can be attempted but never done, that's why it's called The Ever Unknowable Source.

Yes You are the totality all of it--in other words you are life.
Knowing/being the One Self comes down to Grace.
Even the effort to know is down to Grace.

Its a mystery to the unenlightened.

Love Chris

[Guish]

Some very important points mentioned lately. If creation is an effect of the thought process, we might just be a thought in god's mind.

[greybeard]

Some very important points mentioned lately. If creation is an effect of the thought process, we might just be a thought in god's mind.

Its called Idra's Dream or the play of consciousness---or cosmic dance.

You are the dreamer and in the dream.

The important thing is that you exist, have always existed and will always exist.
In order to experience, duality came about---you cant experience without a seeming other.

When you as a person dream you conjure up others.
I would think that God can easily do the same.

Comes back to only God exists and you are that--its singular---One without a second says it all, as does Tim's opening post on his thread..

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Tom Campbell - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview
Also see http://batgap.com/tom-campbell/

In February of 2003, Tom published the My Big TOE trilogy (MBT) which represents the results and conclusions of his scientific exploration of the nature of existence. This overarching model of reality, mind, and consciousness explains the paranormal as well as the normal, places spirituality within a scientific context, solves a host of scientific paradoxes and provides direction for those wishing to personally experience an expanded awareness of All That Is. The MBT reality model explains metaphysics, spirituality, love, and human purpose at the most fundamental level, provides a complete theory of consciousness, and solves the outstanding fundamental physics problems of our time, deriving both relativity theory and quantum mechanics from first principles – something traditional physics cannot yet do. As a logic-based work of science, My Big TOE has no basis in belief, dogma, or any unusual assumptions.


What interested me most was when he said that people get the Government that reflects the country’s group consciousness.
The change if any must come from the individual as the individual affects influences the group and total consciousness.
So belly aching about the Government when you are ruled by ego and lack compassion for your fellow man is reflected in the Government you have.
Gandhi made the famous statement "Be the change you want to see"
Basically consciousness has to evolve to survive.
The Ultimate is beyond consciousness, is perfect and therefore does not evolve.

Its a complex interview with scientists language rather than the norm spiritual. However he says that this does not contradict the Mystics view.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQl802I9gRw

[Wind]

This might have been posted here before, but I'll post it anyways. Repetition is the mother of learning!



The Three States: Waking, Dreaming & Sleep

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There is no difference between the dream and the waking state except that the dream is short and the waking long. Both are the result of the mind. Our real state is called turiya, which is beyond the waking, dream and sleep states.

The Self alone exists and remains as It is. The three states owe their existence to avichara (non-enquiry), and enquiry puts an end to them. However much one may explain, this fact will not become clear until one attains Self-realization, and wonders how he was blind to the self-evident and only existence for so long.

All that we see is a dream, whether we see it in the dream state or waking state. On account of some arbitrary standards about the duration of the experience and so on, we call one experience a dream and another waking experience. With reference to Reality both the experiences are unreal. A man might have an experience such as getting anugraha (grace) in his dream, and the effects and influence of it on his entire subsequent life may be so profound and abiding, that one cannot call it unreal – whilst calling real some trifling incident in the waking life that just flits by, which is casual, of no consequence and is soon forgotten. Once I had an experience, a vision or a dream, whatever you may call it. I and some others, including Chadwick, had a walk on the hill. Returning, we were walking along a huge street with great buildings on either side. Pointing out the street and the buildings, I asked Chadwick and others, whether anybody could say that what we were seeing was a dream, and they all replied, ‘Which fool will say so?’ We then walked along, entered the hall and the vision or dream ceased, or I woke up. What are we to call this?

Just before waking up from sleep, there is a very brief state, free from thought. That should be made permanent. In dreamless sleep there is no world, no ego and no unhappiness, but the Self remains. In the waking state there are all of these. Yet there is the Self. One has only to remove the transitory happenings in order to realize the ever-present beatitude of the Self.

Your nature is bliss. Find that on which all the rest are superimposed and you then remain as the pure Self. In sleep there is no space or time. They are concepts, which arise after the ‘I-thought’ has arisen. You are beyond time and space. The ‘I-thought’ is the limited ‘I’. The real ‘I’ is unlimited, universal, beyond time and space. Just while rising from sleep and before seeing the objective world, there is state of awareness which is your Pure Self. That must be known.


~ Ramana Maharshi

[Guish]

Everything leads to the "In between". In Zen, peace is found between the inhalation and exhalation, Ramana says it's between the state of sleep and being awake, Buddha taught the middle way. Don't fight. Let things come and go. That became the law of impermanence and non-attachment. That's how we transcend duality. It's neither this nor that. A few posts ago, Adya said not to push nor pull. In my experience, it's about becoming the current event to such an extent that the effort made is effortless, the notion of time disappears and the vision is crystal clear.

[greybeard]

Everything leads to the "In between". In Zen, peace is found between the inhalation and exhalation, Ramana says it's between the state of sleep and being awake, Buddha taught the middle way. Don't fight. Let things come and go. That became the law of impermanence and non-attachment. That's how we transcend duality. It's neither this nor that. A few posts ago, Adya said not to push nor pull. In my experience, it's about becoming the current event to such an extent that the effort made is effortless, the notion of time disappears and the vision is crystal clear.

This is a brilliant understanding Guish.

Much love
Chris

[Rich]

Really appreciate that post of Ramana, Wind...exactly what I needed to hear.



What interested me most was when he said that people get the Government that reflects the country’s group consciousness.
The change if any must come from the individual as the individual affects influences the group and total consciousness.
So belly aching about the Government when you are ruled by ego and lack compassion for your fellow man is reflected in the Government you have.

Yes, I've said this very thing here on Avalon a few times, people didn't want to believe it.
Because then we have to look at ourselves...am I really behaving this way?
Am I really this destructive?
We cannot be blind to our attitude anymore if we know that the physical is a reflection.
Not what happens, but how we react to it!
As Bashar said: The meaning we give it, determines the effect we get out of it.



Basically consciousness has to evolve to survive.

Yes, because it's Illusion, whatever we look at disappears, this is obvious in meditation...so it has to change to something else to continue existing.




The Ultimate is beyond consciousness, is perfect and therefore does not evolve.


One thing I realized in meditation, which was quite profound, we already know the truth, absolutely...
the human program allows only a certain degree of it, it's Source trying to know itself as human, that's the spiritual growth.

[Wind]

You talk about when you are in this beautiful state of presence, but when are you out of it? And who are you to be 'out' of it?
I don't know if you can grasp the profundity of these questions, because when contemplated deeply, the game is up.
The mind is on a count down.

Such is the marvellousness of the presence of God.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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[Guish]

Yes, I've said this very thing here on Avalon a few times, people didn't want to believe it.
Because then we have to look at ourselves...am I really behaving this way?
Am I really this destructive?
We cannot be blind to our attitude anymore if we know that the physical is a reflection.
Not what happens, but how we react to it!
As Bashar said: The meaning we give it, determines the effect we get out of it.


Very true. What if there are no beliefs at all? What does the physical reality reflect?

In the the last few years, I've been becoming more and more empty. I can no longer distinguish between beauty, correctness, faith or any other concept. Yet everything flows well. The moment one believes something, it'll manifest. Does it make it real? For example, there are experiments which were done where a person looks at a machine tossing a coin. If the person wants to get a head, more heads are obtained. Therefore, what is real? This question had been on my mind. The only way we can know it is when we reach Samadhi/the big void, where no concepts exist, time has no influence and one feels the infinite. The ego will tell you that nothing will work out if you are in no mind. Yet, you'll see that everything comes from the nothing.

[greybeard]

Thanks for your post Guish and all the others who contribute here.
I find this sharing encouraging.
There is no one, person to person,face to face, that I can discuss spirituality at this level with.
In some ways it might be a blessing as its easy to get into spiritual ego. "Im the one who knows"

Labelling and therefore judging right and wrong has diminished to a great degree and if there is an ego moment its realised and let go off.
Mind is quiet.
I can see that I have brought none of this about apart from asking for help and surrendering to what is.
Whatever is needed just comes along.

Much love
Chris

[Rich]

Very true. What if there are no beliefs at all? What does the physical reality reflect?
There is always a belief, if you believe there is a physical reality there must be a belief what that consists of.

[Guish]

Interesting. I realized sone truths. Everything else is an illusion or interpretation. The truth I realized is we all have as source, the soul/void from which everything comes. I experienced this through meditation. The physical world as we see is not real. If you could zoom in, you'd see photons operating at different frequencies or atoms arranged in different ways. What's the source of the photons? The void. The void is infinite in nature. That's why the future is probabilistic as everything is infinite in nature. Everything comes from the void. So, everything is god. So, I had a realization and an objective view to "reality" till now. Thanxs Emmy. Great discussion.

[Innocent Warrior]

Hi beautiful friends,

Just wanted to pop in and send you my love. See you in a week or so. Take care of your selves and follow your joy. xo

[greybeard]

Hi beautiful friends,

Just wanted to pop in and send you my love. See you in a week or so. Take care of your selves and follow your joy. xo

Thats great Innocent Warrior.
Your sure of a welcome "home" from everyone here.
Much love
Chris

[Rich]

Everything else is an illusion or interpretation. The truth I realized is we all have as source, the soul/void from which everything comes. Everything comes from the void. So, everything is god. So, I had a realization and an objective view to "reality" till now. Thanxs Emmy. Great discussion.

You always talk about the void Guish.
An online friend and me were brainstorming, he said there can be no nothing, there is no vacuum in nature. And I said true, something is needed to be aware of nothing therefore there can be no nothing, but at the same time there has to be a nothing for this duality to exist, if we cancel out up and down, big and small, hot and cold it turns to nothing.
Conclusion: the nothing is the everything and the everything is the nothing, they're the same thing except from a different perspective.

It is time/space that allows the neutrality to be split up into opposing forces called duality.
The nothing (void) holds unlimited potential.

Here an excellent audio you might find interesting:

b3AsOq2cJ7c

I transcribed a small part here:

...therefore, in what you believe to be emptiness, you will find all usefulness. You will then become the vessel the crux-able of transmutation. When you are completely and utterly in touch with the core of your own emptiness you will understand that everything comes from that emptiness - and by being at one with the emptiness you will be able to transmute all things that come from it. For you will be able to shape the emptiness in whatever form you wish it to take. For you will understand the relationship of emptiness to form. That, is the alchemists understanding and the pure state of the alchemist.

[greybeard]

Thanks EmEx
Its beyond mind to get that there is enormous potential in emptiness.
As said everything comes out of this.
Much Love
Chris

[Guish]

Everything else is an illusion or interpretation. The truth I realized is we all have as source, the soul/void from which everything comes. Everything comes from the void. So, everything is god. So, I had a realization and an objective view to "reality" till now. Thanxs Emmy. Great discussion.

You always talk about the void Guish.
An online friend and me were brainstorming, he said there can be no nothing, there is no vacuum in nature. And I said true, something is needed to be aware of nothing therefore there can be no nothing, but at the same time there has to be a nothing for this duality to exist, if we cancel out up and down, big and small, hot and cold it turns to nothing.
Conclusion: the nothing is the everything and the everything is the nothing, they're the same thing except from a different perspective.

It is time/space that allows the neutrality to be split up into opposing forces called duality.
The nothing (void) holds unlimited potential.

Here an excellent audio you might find interesting:

b3AsOq2cJ7c

I transcribed a small part here:

...therefore, in what you believe to be emptiness, you will find all usefulness. You will then become the vessel the crux-able of transmutation. When you are completely and utterly in touch with the core of your own emptiness you will understand that everything comes from that emptiness - and by being at one with the emptiness you will be able to transmute all things that come from it. For you will be able to shape the emptiness in whatever form you wish it to take. For you will understand the relationship of emptiness to form. That, is the alchemists understanding and the pure state of the alchemist.

Thanks. It can be really misleading if one never experienced the state before. My advice to people is: Make yourself empty and god will find you. It's very hard to put it in words. Nowadays, my meditation would seem to be fruitless to many people. I'd sit down and after a few deep breaths get completely lost and wake up after let's say 40 mins. There's no experience, no going into, no purifying..Nothing. You could be in that state and drive, work and do other things. You do the job and the mind is completely absorbed into the activity that thinking is not needed for doing. It just happens. Something has to be guiding the activity. The supreme, Soul, which nothing can describe. Hahaha.

[greybeard]

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[greybeard]

Deepak proves scientifically you are not in your body--the body is within you as is everything else.
That's early on in the Sounds True talk.
Basically what we have discussed on this thread for some time.

Im working through the other talks.
Listening to Bruce Lipton at the moment.

C

[gripreaper]

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Its funny how, when Hay House first got started with Louise Hay, it was coined as "new age" and yet, Hay House did more in the last 25 years to bring true soul consciousness to the forefront while the powers that were wanted to usurp the new age and "spin it" for their own nefarious reasons.

The waters are never muddied when you go within...

[greybeard]

Very true and astute gripreaper
Good to see you here.
It worth downloading the talks. Hay house, as you said, have 25 years experience of bringing quality spirituality to readers.
This has evolved and these talks really are cutting edge---well worth downloading.

Chris

[Wind]

You say the mind is blocking the Self.
Can the mind block the Self?
What watches blocked mind?
Is there anything that the mind is blocking that you need to see?
You are always reporting about what you are looking at, but the important things is:
Where are you looking from?
And who are you looking as?
This is your moment to look from This as This itself.
The great Saint Frances of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is where we are looking from.
Rumi also said: I was knocking at a door. It opens.
I was knocking from inside.
I am not here giving you 10 steps to follow.
I am pointing you to the stepless truth.
You must discover THAT inside yourself.
I point you to That, where you can never not be.
Something has brought you to this.
Here is your opportunity, an invitation to jump into in the ocean of your own being,
which is here and now—your very Self.
Your part, our part from my view is to say inside your heart:
Yes, take me!
Yes, replace me with You. Merge my mind in You.
And this ‘You’ is who?
The Satguru within your own Self.
It is not a person. It is not an object.

Then you will know that this is your mighty existence!

~ Mooji

[bodhii71]

The incarnation is nothing more than a thought.
A thousand incarnations are but a thousand thoughts.
And this amazing miracle of a mirage we call the world reappears as it was before, but now you know.
That’s why you usually have a good laugh, because you realize that all your struggles were made up.
You conjured them up out of nothing—with a thought that was linked to another thought, that was then believed, that linked to another thought that was then believed.
But never could it have been true, not for a second could it have actually existed.
Not ever could you have actually suffered for a reason that was true—only through an imagination, good, bad, indifferent.
The intricacies of spiritual philosophy and theologies are just a thought within Emptiness.
- ADYASHANTI

[Guish]

Finding your self can be found when you try to find what you're not. This will lead to the emptiness where thoughts are spontaneous and guided by your infinite/divine self. Enlightenment is not about having no thoughts but having clear spontaneous thoughts which one can get after realizing and merging with truth. If enlightenment lead to nothing, Buddha wouldn't teach anything. It is nothing though. However, the thoughts automatically come from the nothing. One doesn't struggle to think/analyze or calculate there.

[GarethBKK]

In a meditative state we can see thoughts for what they are, and let them go. When thoughts have quietened, we can see that the concept of time is entirely dependent on those thoughts. We become timeless.

Don't stop.

We can begin to see the sensory input is all coming and going. We can let it go. When that which is perceived is understood for what what it is, we see the concept of space is dependent on human perception. We become spaceless. Everything is one. Objects become subject.

When the illusion of objects has been cleared, there is no person. It is the end of personhood. There is simply all of this. This is freedom.

The experience continues, but it's no longer happening to a person.

From the Wayseer Manifesto:

The Way...
when expressed by the mind is genius,
when seen through the eyes is beauty,
when felt through the senses is Grace, and,
when allowed into the heart is love.

[greybeard]

Tom Campbell's most recent video.
We need virtual reality for the evolution of consciousness.
Consciousness is not Ultimate.
Eckhart Tolle said "Consciousness is evolving to know itself"

Chris


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[greybeard]

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I posted this before in another form.
Sorry its a bit messy/cluttered.
Its only available for a short time.
Though it can be downloaded if you have that facility in your laptop/PC

The Deepak talk is brilliant.
Science cannot locate the self within the body---Deepak says that's because it is non-location --it has no volume--its not in time or space

Chris

[Guish]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11067689_680039135438464_5950138130539361295_n.jpg?oh=53ccba89f1fb41254a28796c8a08997a&oe=55C9563B&__gda__=1439395665_13f00b0c156022fc1e2d71093aa84359

[Wind]

The illusory identity desires to be free of its delusions and become the true Self.

But is this not only an idea appearing in front of the true Self?

Who gets it?

~ Mooji

[Guish]

The illusory identity desires to be free of its delusions and become the true Self.

But is this not only an idea appearing in front of the true Self?

Who gets it?

~ Mooji


Physically, it's tiring to let thoughts control oneself and have no peace. Hence, it has to be a decision made by the mind to alleviate suffering. I believe the aim of everyone is Nirvana. However, people think they'll get it by buying a bigger car, having a bigger house or getting more money. Hence, they are always suffering from desires. Peace was always inside. Peace comes from personal realization. One of them is realizing impermanence and knowing desires are illusions which trap us. While operating from the higher self, thoughts still come but they are spontaneous and not affected by material entanglement. The mind is a good tool.

[GarethBKK]

The illusory identity desires to be free of its delusions and become the true Self.

But is this not only an idea appearing in front of the true Self?

Who gets it?

~ Mooji


Physically, it's tiring to let thoughts control oneself and have no peace. Hence, it has to be a decision made by the mind to alleviate suffering. I believe the aim of everyone is Nirvana. However, people think they'll get it by buying a bigger car, having a bigger house or getting more money. Hence, they are always suffering from desires. Peace was always inside. Peace comes from personal realization. One of them is realizing impermanence and knowing desires are illusions which trap us. While operating from the higher self, thoughts still come but they are spontaneous and not affected by material entanglement. The mind is a good tool.


Brother Guish, your point is well made, but Mooji's question "Who get's it?" is a crucial one. self/true Self/higher self? Who are these identities? Are these objects separate from other objects? Keep looking inward until identity simply fades away. There can be no identification. Keep looking until all this becomes one unbounded aliveness. Objectification and separateness were just thoughts and sensory perception. There's nobody at home. Home is.

[Guish]

The illusory identity desires to be free of its delusions and become the true Self.

But is this not only an idea appearing in front of the true Self?

Who gets it?

~ Mooji


Physically, it's tiring to let thoughts control oneself and have no peace. Hence, it has to be a decision made by the mind to alleviate suffering. I believe the aim of everyone is Nirvana. However, people think they'll get it by buying a bigger car, having a bigger house or getting more money. Hence, they are always suffering from desires. Peace was always inside. Peace comes from personal realization. One of them is realizing impermanence and knowing desires are illusions which trap us. While operating from the higher self, thoughts still come but they are spontaneous and not affected by material entanglement. The mind is a good tool.


Brother Guish, your point is well made, but Mooji's question "Who get's it?" is a crucial one. self/true Self/higher self? Who are these identities? Are these objects separate from other objects? Keep looking inward until identity simply fades away. There can be no identification. Keep looking until all this becomes one unbounded aliveness. Objectification and separateness were just thoughts and sensory perception. There's nobody at home. Home is.

That's why Paul always jokes about the purpose of retreats. To experience nothingness? Haha.

[GarethBKK]

That's why Paul always jokes about the purpose of retreats. To experience nothingness? Haha.


:-) Maybe.

I've never understood 'nothingness', although it's used a lot. Perhaps it's part of the Buddha's path, and so I'll respect that.

But, I can't help wonder how nothingness can be an experience? Who would be experiencing it? I've found 'everythingness' to be the experience. No boundaries. All of it. One. As Adya would say, the end of my world, which was but illusion.

[Wind]

My most auspicious advice: Remain empty.
Leave all that personal mind-stuff aside.

Stay as impersonal Awareness alone. This is the highest way and choice.
Accept and follow this advice with all your heart.

You will find it sufficient to win you freedom.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

That's why Paul always jokes about the purpose of retreats. To experience nothingness? Haha.


:-) Maybe.

I've never understood 'nothingness', although it's used a lot. Perhaps it's part of the Buddha's path, and so I'll respect that.

But, I can't help wonder how nothingness can be an experience? Who would be experiencing it? I've found 'everythingness' to be the experience. No boundaries. All of it. One. As Adya would say, the end of my world, which was but illusion.

I talked about it in TH's thread. Nothing is used to imply that the enlightened has no identity, no anger, no moods, no beliefs- just peace and inner calmness which resonates from an inner void. Yes, Emmy, I 'm using void again... You see everything coming from a nothingness state.

As you said, nothingness has to be experienced by something. This something is the thing and it can't be described as we lost the notion of concepts there. Do we really need to describe it? I'll call it source. When we act from the source, everything is spontaneous, light, peaceful, detached and harmonious. Words do no justice to what I'm saying.

[greybeard]

I prefer empty as a description---no concepts etc---no person but persona operates as before--so yes anger etc can surface--this is noticed in awareness which is not moved.
Dr David Hawkins said as a Buddhist in a former life he ended up in the void, but while it seemed complete it, lacked love--so he had to reincarnate to discover the Truth. So the void may not actually exist as such, it may even be part of illusion. Thats just a passing thought---certainly you dont want to get stuck in a place without love.

Chris

[Rich]

The incarnation is nothing more than a thought.
A thousand incarnations are but a thousand thoughts.


a thought says there were a thousand thoughts

[GarethBKK]

I prefer empty as a description---no concepts etc---no person but persona operates as before--so yes anger etc can surface--this is noticed in awareness which is not moved.
Dr David Hawkins said as a Buddhist in a former life he ended up in the void, but while it seemed complete it, lacked love--so he had to reincarnate to discover the Truth. So the void may not actually exist as such, it may even be part of illusion. Thats just a passing thought---certainly you dont want to get stuck in a place without love.

Chris

YES! This is what I am driving at. Chris and David Hawkins come to the rescue. :-)

I join an informal sangha. Following mediation sessions I will often hear "Oh. I experienced a void, blackness, nothingness. It was lovely!". That's great, but it's an unnecessarily slow path to the end of suffering. After such a meditation, the eyes are opened and everything is back to normal. The point is to understand all of this from a point of Awareness, not avoid it by going into some sort of self-induced oblivion.

Indeed, Chris, there is no void. There is unbounded love. It's here, now. No need to go and find it; simply open the heart and let it be. Let go to Presence, Peace, and Joy.

[Meggings]

29681

I came across Abdy Electriciteh yesterday.
I am highly impressed.
Someone sent me this note he'd written.

[Wind]

"Remember that no enterprise or move should be left to depend on the ego's own limited resources. The humble invocation of help from the Higher Self expands those resources and has a protective value. At the beginning of every day, of every enterprise, of every journey, and of every important piece of work, remember the Overself and, remembering, be obedient to its laws. Seek its inspiration, its power. To make it your silent partner is to double your effectiveness."

"The mind's chief distinguishing power is to know--whether the object known is the world around or the ideas within. When this is turned in still deeper upon itself, subject and object are one, the thought-making activity comes to rest, and the ”I” mystery is solved. Man discovers his real self, or being--his soul."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Rich]

Nothing is used to imply that the enlightened has no identity, no anger, no moods, no beliefs- just peace and inner calmness which resonates from an inner void.

How can someone claim to be enlightened if enlightenment means end of duality?
So who is there to be enlightened, and enlightened about what?
What is there to be enlightened? The body? As opposed to other bodies?
And what says that this body is enlightened and another body is not?

And how can truth be of meaning without the expression of it?
I've read that in other dimensions there can be the attainment of higher truths than here on earth,
because what is truth without the potential of it being expressed (experienced)?
It can only exist in relation, since we are already the absolute truth in the first place.

[Guish]

Nothing is used to imply that the enlightened has no identity, no anger, no moods, no beliefs- just peace and inner calmness which resonates from an inner void.

How can someone claim to be enlightened if enlightenment means end of duality?
So who is there to be enlightened, and enlightened about what?
What is there to be enlightened? The body? As opposed to other bodies?
And what says that this body is enlightened and another body is not?

And how can truth be of meaning without the expression of it?
I've read that in other dimensions there can be the attainment of higher truths than here on earth,
because what is truth without the potential of it being expressed (experienced)?
It can only exist in relation, since we are already the absolute truth in the first place.


Everyone comes from the same source but everyone doesn't realise it. Everyone is the same once one realises it. Material disentanglement is needed to realise the source simply because people associate themselves to matter. The yoga sutras ask to quiet the mind to realise the source. We all consist of photons if you look inside. We operate at different frequencies though and we have different arrangement of atoms. Everyone is not ready for truth. I share what I realised but truth is infinite in nature and I experienced a fragment of it. How can you express the infinite?

[greybeard]

Whenever I get confused regarding enlightenment I revisit the opening statement on Tim's thread.
One meaning is freedom from ignorance.
One way of looking is the step down principal which I read in a Dr David Hawkins book.
Electricity may start at a very high voltage then through a transformer this is reduced, then it powers various mechanisms,. this laptop only uses 9volts.
Same electricity.
Dr Hawkins used temperature in similar explanations of non duality. Steam is not the opposite of ice, but there is no arguing that they are the same.

The intellect can come up with a load of profundity---
Mooji says "Whatever can be described is not you"
.
Love Chris

[Guish]

Mooji says "Whatever can be described is not you"
.


I think in Zen it's called emptiness because words cannot be used to describe it. It's beyond the mind, formless...

We shape clay into a pot, but it is the emptiness inside that holds whatever we want.

[greybeard]

Mooji says "Whatever can be described is not you"
.




I think in Zen it's called emptiness because words cannot be used to describe it. It's beyond the mind, formless...

We shape clay into a pot, but it is the emptiness inside that holds whatever we want.

Yes the emptiness inside is exactly the same as the emptiness outside.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

The path to enlightenment is full of paradoxes--after time, which is non existent, it becomes the pathless path.
Yes the truth is that there is nobody to become enlightened and that the enlightened see all as enlightened.

I quite like one liners.
Ramesh quote "God gave you an ego, let Him remove it" also"At birth God begins removing the ego of some"

So finding one self attracted to Enlightenment is an act of Grace.
Many hear of this, few pursue it consistently, even fewer have a burning desire, even fewer realise it, though I think this is changing.

The stage one is at is exactly right and perfect for that one.
When all are enlightened this chapter of the play will come to an end.
Conscious is evolving to know itself.
Many now speak of non-duality.
There are user friendly, entry to spirituality, enlightened teachers like Eckhart Tolle
His teaching is very helpful in the illusion and does point strongly to more, the Ultimate Truth.
Now and then he will come away with a beauty "There never was anyone there to do anything to you" is one.
Most will not notice he said this, or get it--you have to be ready to hear at this level.

For myself I found it helpful to listen to/read material from quite a few different teachers.
The reason being that I could cross check what I believed an expression/teaching to mean.

The late Dr David Hawkins influenced greatly the early posts in this thread.
His book "Power vs Force" a good explanation of different spiritual energies.
"Discovery of the presence of God/Devotional Non-Duality" more advanced.

At the moment Mooji does it for me and he is very direct and loving.

Hope this is helpful.

This a link to about the Author/ the late Dr Hawkins
http://veritaspub.com/about_us.php?osCsid=0235d748388fa867a3183fdfe0fc3068

Much Love
Chris

[Meggings]

I'd mentioned finding a fellow by name of Abdy Electriciteh yesterday.
Several times I have gone to his website and sat quietly for 12 minutes (well, I am not disciplined, more like 3 to 10 minutes, depending...), and have experienced divine energies. Really and truly.

His gift is to connect people to God, to Source, to their own inner Divine Presence (however you care to phrase it).
This is profoundly powerful.

My experience shared here: last night, after finding his website and sitting still for several minutes of his "energy transmission", I later felt inside myself and could no longer connect to the anguish that has been plaguing me for many months. Not only is the emotional agony/anguish/pain disconnected, but I can touch on "the Father in me" with the slightest of turning towards. Not only that, I feel an inner smile towards everything.

Just minutes ago I sat again, and this time I felt an influx of tingling energies through the crown and brow, that danced along my forehead and simply was delicious.

Perhaps some here would like to experience this "energy transmission". It can be on the hour, or anytime you think of it, by your intention alone. I am impressed with this fellow's gift. I read that as a child he used to "put sparkles around people".

http://abdy.info/source/hourly-remote-sessions/

[greybeard]

The 5th anniversary of this thread has come and gone.
Time flies
Again thanks to all who have contributed and visited here.

Much love
Chris

[Wind]

Also this thread has almost 300k views soon, Chris! If I may suggest a favor, could some of the kind members participating rate this thread and give five stars to it? I already did that a long time ago, it's just a small gesture to thank Chris for this great thread.


"Outwardly we live and have to live in the very midst of cruel struggle and grievous conflict, for we share the planet's karma; but inwardly we can live by striking contrast in an intense stillness, a consecrated peace, a sublime security. The central stillness is always there, whether we are absorbed in bustling activity or not. Hence a part of this training consists in becoming conscious of its presence. Indeed only by bringing the mystical realization into the active life of the wakeful world can it attain its own fullness. The peaceful state must not only be attained during meditation, but also sustained during action."

"The time has indeed come for us to rise to meditate upon the supreme Mind. It is the source of all appearances, the explanation of all existences. It is the only reality, the only thing which is, was, and shall be unalterably the same. Mind itself is ineffable and indestructible. We never see it as it is in itself but only the things which are its passing phases."

~ Paul Brunton

[Rich]

Also this thread has almost 300k views soon, Chris! If I may suggest a favor, could some of the kind members participating rate this thread and give five stars to it? I already did that a long time ago, it's just a small gesture to thank Chris for this great thread.


I mostly use the ''New Posts'' link to get to this and other threads and it does not show the thread rating there,
it only shows the rating if you go to the section the theard is located in (under 'Spiritual' in this case) .
It currently has a 4 out 5 stars...(where does it say how many votes have been cast?)

This thread seems a bit messy, but we do get what we need at any moment so it's fine.
Indeed thank you Chris for this thread and to the others sharing here,
I voted 5 stars not as a 'thank you' but because I enjoy contemplating the posts,
they help me expand my understanding and entertain me at the same time.

[greybeard]

Also this thread has almost 300k views soon, Chris! If I may suggest a favor, could some of the kind members participating rate this thread and give five stars to it? I already did that a long time ago, it's just a small gesture to thank Chris for this great thread.


I mostly use the ''New Posts'' link to get to this and other threads and it does not show the thread rating there,
it only shows the rating if you go to the section the theard is located in (under 'Spiritual' in this case) .
It currently has a 4 out 5 stars...(where does it say how many votes have been cast?)

This thread seems a bit messy, but we do get what we need at any moment so it's fine.
Indeed thank you Chris for this thread and to the others sharing here,
I voted 5 stars not as a 'thank you' but because I enjoy contemplating the posts,
they help me expand my understanding and entertain me at the same time.

Thanks Wind and EmEx
Its not really my thread I just started it.
Now as to why it has 4 stars I dont know---It sat for years on 5 stars but all of a sudden all the sticky threads dropped to 4 stars.
I was not informed prior to this and did not bother to ask.
Its not a thread members of the mod team visit, or thank either, but then they have no need to.
Its a very "peaceful" thread.

Much love
Chris

[ulli]

Also this thread has almost 300k views soon, Chris! If I may suggest a favor, could some of the kind members participating rate this thread and give five stars to it? I already did that a long time ago, it's just a small gesture to thank Chris for this great thread.


I mostly use the ''New Posts'' link to get to this and other threads and it does not show the thread rating there,
it only shows the rating if you go to the section the theard is located in (under 'Spiritual' in this case) .
It currently has a 4 out 5 stars...(where does it say how many votes have been cast?)

This thread seems a bit messy, but we do get what we need at any moment so it's fine.
Indeed thank you Chris for this thread and to the others sharing here,
I voted 5 stars not as a 'thank you' but because I enjoy contemplating the posts,
they help me expand my understanding and entertain me at the same time.

Thanks Wind and EmEx
Its not really my thread I just started it.
Now as to why it has 4 stars I dont know---It sat for years on 5 stars but all of a sudden all the sticky threads dropped to 4 stars.
I was not informed prior to this and did not bother to ask.
Its not a thread members of the mod team visit, or thank either, but then they have no need to.
Its a very "peaceful" thread.

Much love
Chris

I just gave it five stars, it deserves it.

[greybeard]

Thanks ulli
I dont think it can be upped to 5 stars with out Management intervention.
I suspect that the logic was that because it is a sticky the star system is not relevant.
I dont mind, its getting over two thousand visits a week and that's very gratifying.
Paul is very understanding and helpful so if anyone wants to ask him about this that's fine with me.

Much Love
Chris

[Guish]

Indeed only by bringing the mystical realization into the active life of the wakeful world can it attain its own fullness. The peaceful state must not only be attained during meditation, but also sustained during action."



Good to hear that. Indeed anything can be done with the act of grace. All actions can be done in a selfless way contributing to a higher cause. When I do such activities, I feel my breath slow down just like in meditation and feel the bliss. Sometime ago, someone told me that meditation is the only thing he wants to do. I said that everything can be done in a meditative away and our presence can alleviate suffering without us even knowing it. Meditation shouldn't be used to escape things. I have a short zen story for you again.

Hyakujo, the Chinese Zen master, used to labor with his pupils even at the age of eighty, trimming the gardens, cleaning the grounds, and pruning the trees.

The pupils felt sorry to see the old teacher working so hard, but they knew he would not listen to their advice to stop, so they hid away his tools.

That day the master did not eat. The next day he did not eat, nor the next. “He may be angry because we have hidden his tools,” the pupils surmised. “We had better put them back.”

The day they did, the teacher worked and ate the same as before. In the evening he instructed them: “No work, no food.”

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Thanks ulli
I dont think it can be upped to 5 stars with out Management intervention.
I suspect that the logic was that because it is a sticky the star system is not relevant.
I dont mind, its getting over two thousand visits a week and that's very gratifying.
Paul is very understanding and helpful so if anyone wants to ask him about this that's fine with me.

Much Love
Chris

I'm sure you're beyond the concept of recognition too Chris. It's just labeling again.

[Selkie]

Hyakujo, the Chinese Zen master, used to labor with his pupils even at the age of eighty, trimming the gardens, cleaning the grounds, and pruning the trees.

The pupils felt sorry to see the old teacher working so hard, but they knew he would not listen to their advice to stop, so they hid away his tools.

That day the master did not eat. The next day he did not eat, nor the next. “He may be angry because we have hidden his tools,” the pupils surmised. “We had better put them back.”

The day they did, the teacher worked and ate the same as before. In the evening he instructed them: “No work, no food.”

I know someone who considers himself to be very, very enlightened, indeed, and yet he wants to have servants to run his errands and clean his house for him. So I am delighted by this little story. Thanks a lot, Guish :)

[greybeard]

Hyakujo, the Chinese Zen master, used to labor with his pupils even at the age of eighty, trimming the gardens, cleaning the grounds, and pruning the trees.

The pupils felt sorry to see the old teacher working so hard, but they knew he would not listen to their advice to stop, so they hid away his tools.

That day the master did not eat. The next day he did not eat, nor the next. “He may be angry because we have hidden his tools,” the pupils surmised. “We had better put them back.”

The day they did, the teacher worked and ate the same as before. In the evening he instructed them: “No work, no food.”

I know someone who considers himself to be very, very enlightened, indeed, and yet he wants to have servants to run his errands and clean his house for him. So I am delighted by this little story. Thanks a lot, Guish :)

Good to see you here Silkie

Ramana Maharshi had the same "attitude" as the one in the story.
When he was dying his friends tried to limit visitors---he was having none of it.

The truly enlightened see "God" in everyone, there can be no question of being put on a pedestal or served as though they are special.
The Buddha said "Put no head above your own"
I would be very suspicious of one who claims to be very spiritual and demands various acts of service.
Tim's thread points to what enlightened is.

Love
Chris

[Selkie]

...Good to see you here Silkie...

Thank you very much, Chris :)


...I would be very suspicious of one who claims to be very spiritual and demands various acts of service...
Indeed.

[greybeard]

Regarding labelling Guish.
Some thing I read, cant remember where --probably Eckhart Tolle---was very helpful.
The word function.
I am a bass guitarist---no playing is a function --not what I am.
Labelling and self-ing was the norm, and I was totally unaware that everything revolved around Chris in so many subtle ways.
It was always about me, my opinion and being judgemental with it.
There is a residue--it is not totally done with.
Still some buttons that can be pressed, but thankfully through surrendering these to the Divine as they arise, this happens less and less and recovery faster and faster.

Absolutely everything could be removed,concepts,beliefs and all self identification, including this body, and there would be awareness remaining.

The formless brings about manifestation in all its form.
Love
Chris

[Guish]

While operating from the divine, things just happen without us realising, hence, the notion of emptiness. I remember helping an old lady to get up two months ago and I felt nothing. It just happened. I posted this story before but it fits perfectly the context right now.

A beautiful girl in the village was pregnant. Her angry parents demanded to know who was the father. At first resistant to confess, the anxious and embarrassed girl finally pointed to Hakuin, the Zen master whom everyone previously revered for living such a pure life. When the outraged parents confronted Hakuin with their daughter's accusation, he simply replied "Is that so?"

When the child was born, the parents brought it to the Hakuin, who now was viewed as a pariah by the whole village. They demanded that he take care of the child since it was his responsibility. "Is that so?" Hakuin said calmly as he accepted the child.

For many months he took very good care of the child until the daughter could no longer withstand the lie she had told. She confessed that the real father was a young man in the village whom she had tried to protect. The parents immediately went to Hakuin to see if he would return the baby. With profuse apologies they explained what had happened. "Is that so?" Hakuin said as he handed them the child.

[greybeard]

Well look at that !!!!! 5 stars.
Thanks to who ever is responsible.

As well as that there is a certain degree of pride in being a Scot today.
Alec Salmond quote. "The Scottish Lion has roared."

Much love
Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

I've been practicing not labelling for some time, note that I said practicing, not mastering. It's hard to say what practices cause certain results but I've come to believe the practice of resisting the need to label or define anything helps with allowing the veil to slip.

It always fascinates me how this slipping or falling of the veil manifests, all the different experiences and how it just happens out of nowhere at times.

My most recent experience; I was outside, in the front yard at night, looking up at the stars, talking to them as I often do, when I heard a bat take off from a tree that was close by. I turned around to face where the sound came from and at the same time I caught my mind imposing the bat sound over the real sound. I just became aware of it and then I was hearing the real sound, it immediately became apparent that it wasn't a bat at all. It actually didn't sound like a bat anymore, more of a weird wooshing sound and of course I looked for a bat, to be sure and there was none. I'm in the city, it never gets very dark here at night and bats are easily spotted.

I don't know what I heard, it wasn't visible but I heard it very clearly and it wasn't a sound I'm familiar with. Like I mentioned, out of all these things we practice, it's hard to say with any certainty that defining things less caused it but I'm sure it helps.

[Wind]

Thanks dear friends for giving this thread the rating it deserves. I was wondering if it was egoistic of me to think about such matter, haha.

Our minds turn awakening into a task.
We feel it is something that 'we' have to do,
which, in the phenomenal sense, is true up to a point.
However, don't intimidate yourselves with that.
Actually, realising the Truth becomes a joy and an effortlessness
as the mind sinks, more and more, inside the heart.
Gradually, it is seen and felt that the real Self is just confirming itself effortlessly.
As it continues to recognise its true Self, it causes the inner space of being to be free of the noise of personhood.
You cannot be bored with Truth because yourSelf and Truth are one.
Know this.

Instead of mentally striving for Truth, which keeps you identified as the doer, just keep quiet and rest in being as being.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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[Wind]

Papaji said, ‘To discover Truth, you will have to disappear.’
Now, who was he speaking to?
How do you disappear?
Can 'you' do it?
Who could carry out such an instruction?
Actually, nobody can.
It was not even an instruction.
But the words detonated like a grenade inside my being.
Sometimes the Master says things 'you' cannot do.

It is one of his most powerful teachings, a teaching no one can follow.
Grace alone reveals it.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

The ego becomes weak with time. The You was the ego. Defining the ego is infinite though.

[Wind]

Ramana Maharshi was asked about how to understand the true nature of the mind.

Q: What is the path of enquiry for understanding the nature of the mind?

That which rises as ‘I’ in this body is the mind. If one inquires as to where in the body the thought ‘I’ rises first, one would discover that it rises in the Heart. That is the place of the mind’s origin. Even if one thinks constantly ‘I’ ‘I’, one will be led to that place. Of all the thoughts that arise in the mind, the ‘I-thought’ is the first. It is only after the rise of this that the other thoughts arise. It is after the appearance of the first personal pronoun that the second and third personal pronouns appear; without the first personal pronoun there will not be the second and third.

[Guish]

No wonder the heart is formed first, Wind. What are we using when we do not use the rational mind to make decisions?

[Wind]

Indeed, my friend. I might think with the mind, but I always try to follow the guidance of my heart for it knows better.

[greybeard]

When Ramana said heart it can also be translated as centre---not necessarily in the body.
Its all down to context.
Who was asking the question? What level of spiritual understanding did he have?
Ramana tended to meet people where they stood.

He also placed the spiritual heart a few centimetre to the right of the middle.

Yet another paradox is, he said "There was neither creation nor dissolution"
In other words--nothing ever happened.
There is no time except in duality---No "other" for anything to happen to--no person to do anything.
Tolle quote " There never was anyone to do anything to you"

So that may be ultimate Truth--- however--"Be in the world,not of it."
Ive forgotten most of what "I" learned----thankfully.

"Even the most wise of my disciples enter the kingdom by faith alone" Jesus is reputed to have said.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Mooji questions the "persons" ability to see God.
Only the Supreme can see the Supreme.

This is in the first few minutes of this video.

A bit of background traffic noise but really well worth listening to.

Much Love
Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6fbT4vKGp0

[greybeard]

This one of the meditations I use.
Its just over 30 minutes and in it Mooji prays for you towards the end..

Hard to deny the truth of what is said.

Much love
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaWzi16xrl4

[Guish]

Mooji questions the "persons" ability to see God.
Only the Supreme can see the Supreme.

This is in the first few minutes of this video.

A bit of background traffic noise but really well worth listening to.

Much Love
Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6fbT4vKGp0

The day one sees god is the day one merges with it. There's no longer I and god. It's all one. Isn't godliness our true nature?

Except that we don't aim for it. It just happens. It has to start with a mind though. Intellectually one starts to question life and plunges into self inquiry. Everything else occurs on it's own.

[Innocent Warrior]

How does God experience God?

Who is God, to God?

Perhaps God exists as God because we exist - I exist. ???

[Wind]

Your place and joy is to say inside the heart: 'Yes, absorb me!'
There is tremendous power in this, when genuinely expressed.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

How does God experience God?

Who is God, to God?

Perhaps God exists as God because we exist - I exist. ???

Anything experienced can't be god as duality ended there. Once one goes to one's origin, only the origin remains as the one was an illusion. However, the quest does start in the illusion.

[greybeard]

I some times like to reverse things.
We speak on the thread as "I am That" I am the totality, all of it" "One without a second"

Looking from the Creators point of view.

If I am infinite, all pervasive, omni present then I must be you as well.

There is no place God is not--therefore, you and within you too.

It amuses me, only slightly, that Christianity can have truth within the bible "The Father and I are One"" and yet portrays God as out there, in the heavens waiting to judge you--and it does not get much more separate than that.
This is the difference between religion and that which is pointed to by the enlightened, they say as with one voice, God is imminent, within every seeming independent unit of consciousness. There is no separation
"I am the totality all of it" that is the truth of every seeming individual.
.
Christ said "The Kingdom of Heaven is within" yet Christianity persists in claiming that heaven is out there and you go there on death to be judged.
Christ said "Seek you first the kingdom of heaven" that is clear---the kingdom can be realised here and now--you don't have to wait on death to take you there.

With love
Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

Christ said "The Kingdom of Heaven is within"

:Music: They say in heaven love comes first, ooh heaven is a place on Earth. :Music: ;)

http://creativefan.com/important/cf/2012/04/pictures-of-heaven/heaven-on-earth.jpg

[Wind]

We Have Known Each Other Since the Beginning of this World

...but not in the way that you think.

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[Innocent Warrior]

We Have Known Each Other Since the Beginning of this World

...but not in the way that you think

Interesting. I was having lunch with my friend at a cafe on the week-end. I was relaxing and taking in my surroundings when I noticed (again, it's been building for a while, just some at first) the feeling of familiarity when I looked at people's faces, everyone's.

I told my friend that everyone looks familiar to me these days. I had not met any of the people there but they all felt familiar to me, like I'd seen them all before, but I hadn't. My friend questioned, "really? ...weird" lol and I replied, "yeah, I see no strangers anymore".

Anyone else experiencing this?

[Iloveyou]

Yes, I do. It began years ago, after noticing the unhappiness, the desperation and tenseness in peoples physiognomy, I started seeing the kid that they once were. The babies, open, trustful, hopeful, playful, full of expectations, holding nothing back, reaching out to the world lovingly and expecting a response of same quality. Also started seeing the long way they've gone down the road until now. A road we all shared once. We know each other so deeply, we are more than friends.

Then I started seeing people as well as myself as high pillars of light, full of wisdom, connecting and communicating on that level (imagine a subway wagon at rushour full of pillars of light :)) The city, the streets were full of light. One being, one living organism of light.

To release and to transcend personal emotions, I guess, it's all a stumbling and falling, a getting up and falling again until I let myself fall into Grace. Fall without impact.

[Wind]

When I say, 'Don't touch 'I' in any form,' have I left you with a job to do?

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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[Rich]

That pic Guish posted reminded me of an incident.

Many years ago I was sitting there on a rock, on our property. 2 dogs came by, they seemed a little shy to approach me.
But then one went right in front of me and gave me her paw. I thought she just wanted to shake hands, so I did...she saw that I didn't understand,
so she laid down on her back and showed me her paw from underneath...
then I understood what she wanted... between her toes and heel was a big thorn.
I removed it and they went on their way.

[Innocent Warrior]

Forgive my ignorance, I have a question about the concept of "don't touch the I". I've read it a few times lately, presented in various forms, and although I understand the message I don't understand the purpose/s. Is this how we can be everywhere at once while in physical form?

Would you be so kind as to please educate me on this? Recommended links or personal accounts of your experience with it would be deeply appreciated.

[greybeard]

Forgive my ignorance, I have a question about the concept of "don't touch the I". I've read it a few times lately, presented in various forms, and although I understand the message I don't understand the purpose/s. Is this how we can be everywhere at once while in physical form?

Would you be so kind as to please educate me on this? Recommended links or personal accounts of your experience with it would be deeply appreciated.

Its Identification as in "I, me and mine" Innocent Warrior.
The ego. which is a separation device (separation from Truth) is maintained/formed by belief in the story of me, a separate me.
The world seems to revolve around me and what T do, my traits.
I am a kind person --I am a spiritual person---no thats not true---ultimately I am not a person--that's secondary to what I am.

I am Self--one without a second.
The whole of creation is within me---I am all pervasive--I am eternal, omnipresent.
Takes time for that to sink in.
We are form and formless both and neither.

So the whole purpose of this life is to discover the Truth--our true identity.

With Love
Chris

[Rich]

and although I understand the message I don't understand the purpose/s.
The purpose is to see what you are beyond the concept you have of yourself, it gives you peace because it is not affected by circumstances.

[Innocent Warrior]

Ah, I see. Turns out I misunderstood what it meant. Yes, disidentification with the self, I understand this. Thank you. <3

[Wind]

"Through establishing the correct inner attitude of faith and devotion, through correct methods of study both of general laws and of one's own weaknesses, with constant determination to correct these weaknesses through the pursuit of the ideal of a balanced psyche, and through the regular practice of prayer and meditation, one will be doing all that the ego can do by itself to establish the required conditions for the advent of help from higher sources."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Meggings]

Just posted by Andrew Cohen, an explanation, an apology:

"I am beginning to become simply human after so many years of hiding out in transcendence. It’s like coming back to earth after almost a quarter of a century of flying above the clouds. As much as I spoke about the need to "embrace heaven and earth," I was obviously still rejecting so much of what it means to be a fully human being." ~ Andrew Cohen

Mr. Cohen writes of his past two years (when he "dropped out of sight"): "Over these 2 years I have struggled to awaken to my Shadow, to those unconscious forces and drives within us that will, as long as they remain hidden, continue to wreak havoc with our lives. This will remain the case even if in many other ways we are unusually conscious and aware, and as hard to believe as it may be, even if we may be lucky enough to have access to Enlightened awareness."

The above is from http://www.andrewcohen.org/blog/open-letter-all-my-former-students-upon-return-my-sabbatical

I wrote a friend who sent this out, and said I am living this experience. I would "escape" to the happiness of other dimensions and beings as often as I could. I would sit in bliss and radiate, while the world moved around me...It has been HUGE to be again immersed within human personalities and all their "messiness" and pains, seeing my own ego alive and well.

There is nothing to do but open our awareness to ourselves and SEE the energetic strands we contain, respond to, act from. There is no end to our growth.

[Innocent Warrior]

My understanding is that this awakening/activating is not just about fourth density experiences etc. but these experiences are of great importance. We are here on Earth at this time of a great shift, from third density to fourth density, not to simply ascend into fourth density, but to bring in and anchor fourth density into this physical reality (the matrix).

I too have spent time doing what you refer to as "escaping" but I don't see it as that. For me it has been a remembering, reconnecting and a time of great expansion and I have recently come to understand the importance of such experiences in regards to rewriting our DNA. It is an integral part of the physical shift and it matters not how we define it, it is rewritten regardless (our definitions affect our experience but not necessarily the activation process, if so then marginally).

Also, we can experience being grounded in our physical reality without inhabiting our ego but it will always be there as a choice, this is not a limitation.

I see a commending is in order, no apology necessary.

EDIT: I should add, I appreciate the point Andrew is making about what happens when the ego is hidden and then again arises but this is not an error because working through the issues of the ego is a never ending battle anyway. I have full confidence in his ability to let go of his ego at this point of his journey, with his experiences as a solid foundation. I think he's being too hard on himself, that's all.

[Guish]

It's simply the case of being grounded.

Before enlightenment, chop wood carry water.
After enlightenment, chop wood carry water.

A greater awareness makes one become aware the self isn't the 'I'. It doesn't mean that one needs to devalue the human body or stay away from people The self needs to express itself through actions but the self expresses itself for a bigger cause while the ego expresses itself for its own benefits.

[Guish]

Just found a quote by Buddha that emphasizes the importance of the physical body. Some time ago, Ray (Finefeather) talked about the over emphasis on the spirit to the detriment of the physical body. One needs both. The soul can't express itself without the body.

"To keep the body in good health is a duty... otherwise we shall not be able to keep our mind strong and clear"

[betoobig]

My dear friends it is the first time i rate any thread and, for sure, this thread don´t need anymore stars becouse it allready has the whole universe within.
Dear Wind you where not egoistic but loving, your love for this thread.
Inoccentwarrior i believe the i is the face of ego. Ego once upon a time helped us to survive, the "i" time is out, no time no i no ego... unity.
Being in unity we can say only the supreme sees the supreme... vibrational macht.
Meggins thanks for that link, looking forward for next hour.
Guish thanks for the stories, very inspirational.
Greybeard congratulations for the threads anyversary, i am as happy as you for it, thanks to that i haven´t missed it.
As i say a bunch of stars here.

LOVE
Juan

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iloveyou i love you

[betoobig]

EmEx may this be a tribute to you, my ego forgot about you, good sing. I have to learn from you.
The picture is high quality, feel free to zoom. Enjoy
LOVE
Juan

[GarethBKK]

Ah... the stories of 'I' continue.

'I went here'. 'I went there'.
'I experienced this'. 'I experienced that'.

We find it so hard to let go of the idea that there is a separate being, either in form or in spirit, but it doesn't have to be that way. It is the simplest thing. There is only all of this. There is no identity in all of this. There is no one here. Yes, all of this is experienced through the senses, emotions and thoughts of a unique character, but that has nothing to do with who you are. Surrender. Let go. Let the idea that you are a separate being die in order to find the truth.

https://popcornographyblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/wallpaper-468221.jpg

God is in the rain.

[Guish]

If we turned the content of this thread into a book, it would be an insightful spiritual book. A lot of things have been said here and looked through the clean eyes of several members. It's been a blessing to be here. We might never meet physically.

Love,
Geerish.

[Innocent Warrior]

"The philosopher Descartes believed that he had found the most fundamental truth when he made his famous statement: "I think, therefore I am." He had, in fact, given expression to the most basic error: to equate thinking with Being and identity with thinking. The compulsive thinker, which means almost everyone, lives in a state of apparent separateness, in an insanely complex world of continuous problems and conflict, a world that reflects the ever-increasing fragmentation of the mind. Enlightenment is the state of wholeness, of being "at one' and therefore at peace. At one with life in its manifested aspect, the world, as well as with your deepest self and life unmanifested - at one with Being. Enlightenment is not only the end of suffering and of continuous conflict within and without, but also the end of the dreadful enslavement to incessant thinking. What an incredible liberation this is!" ~ Eckhart Tolle, The Power Of Now.


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[Wind]

Only a moment ago I was just watching some Eckhart Tolle videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheHeartman33/search?query=tolle)...

His energy and words are very calming and I enjoyed reading all of his books.

The Greatest Thing Is The Discovery of Yourself As Presence

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[greybeard]

My dear friends it is the first time i rate any thread and, for sure, this thread don´t need anymore stars becouse it allready has the whole universe within.
Dear Wind you where not egoistic but loving, your love for this thread.
Inoccentwarrior i believe the i is the face of ego. Ego once upon a time helped us to survive, the "i" time is out, no time no i no ego... unity.
Being in unity we can say only the supreme sees the supreme... vibrational macht.
Meggins thanks for that link, looking forward for next hour.
Guish thanks for the stories, very inspirational.
Greybeard congratulations for the threads anyversary, i am as happy as you for it, thanks to that i haven´t missed it.
As i say a bunch of stars here.

LOVE
Juan

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iloveyou i love you

Then of course there are your contributions too betobig ------Juan
Thank you for "being" here.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Ah... the stories of 'I' continue.

'I went here'. 'I went there'.
'I experienced this'. 'I experienced that'.

We find it so hard to let go of the idea that there is a separate being, either in form or in spirit, but it doesn't have to be that way. It is the simplest thing. There is only all of this. There is no identity in all of this. There is no one here. Yes, all of this is experienced through the senses, emotions and thoughts of a unique character, but that has nothing to do with who you are. Surrender. Let go. Let the idea that you are a separate being die in order to find the truth.

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God is in the rain.

Thank you for your clear insights Gareth.
Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

A story of awakening.
Plato's cave



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2afuTvUzBQ

[Guish]

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[betoobig]

Just thanks and love.
Juan

[Guish]

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[Wind]

Your heart is the light of this world.
Don't cover it with your mind.

~ Mooji

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[Grizz Griswold]

Your heart is the light of this world.
Don't cover it with your mind.

~ Mooji

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Mind always wants to be the judge of everything,
even when it come to the heart. How degrading to
find out, that it's not needed....Smiling

With Love
barry

[greybeard]

Thoughtless awareness Barry?
The thoughts still come but I am aware they are not mine, I am not giving them energy, so the frequency of their arrival has reduced greatly and they seem much quieter.

Love Chris

[Wind]

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[Guish]

I think the mind is an excellent tool. The awakening process starts when one starts to critically analyze things. The problem is random thoughts creating mental confusion. One relies more on intuition than the objective mind as one goes deeper in the spiritual world. I would still teach my son to use his mind. Isn't it?

[Innocent Warrior]

Yes, of course, it's a magnificant tool. It's not about not using our minds, but about how to effectively apply our minds. Through the awakening process we learn it's true function, the nature of it, its limitations and its enormous power and value.

As Chris described, we get to the point where we observe it, rather than getting lost in identifying with it. I still catch my self fighting it, which only gives rise to inner conflict.

[Guish]

It's a fight that's won without fighting.

[Wind]

The ego-mind wouldn't want to go down without a fight, but it's best not to give it any fuel. :)

xZMumegxVjY

[greybeard]

Near-Death Experience: Conversations With God



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrx8C2lxhJI

[sms]

It seems that in this reality, we go from one extreme into the other, or better to say, from one polarity into the other, like a pendulum, without being able to see the third option or to get a balanced view of ourselves and the reality, as it is. No wonder, in a universe based on a duality. In most of the cases, there would be two options only, as it seems to most of us.

Figuring out things on the basis of our mind component only, would lead us into a condition mentioned by R. Steiner long ago:


“When the man of today thinks merely with his intellect and faculty of reason, his thoughts are not rooted in reality at all. More and more they move about in a shadowy existence which reached its climax during the nineteenth century. And today man is altogether devoid of the sense for reality. He lives within a spiritual element, but is at the same time a materialist. His thoughts — which are spiritual but yet merely shadow-thoughts — are directed entirely to material existence.

Thus the second great process or event was that man became more spiritual. But the spiritual substance once derived from matter no longer ensouls him. His nature has become more spiritual, but with his spiritual faculties he thinks only about material existence”. (Dornach; May 13, 1921)
(So, we may become spiritual, but not ensouled!?)

On the other hand, by switching our mind component off, we could achieve a - "thoughtless awareness". Is that what an optimal state of our being should be?!

So, to think, or not to think!? Should we live out of the mind, or out of the heart?

Any other option?!

**

If we take the Parable of the Coach from the Eastern Gnosis (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_mouravieff.htm) as a descriptor of a normal human being, where the coachman is the personality (the mind), the carriage represents the physical body, horses - the spirit, and the passenger - the soul, we may say that most of us identify ourselves with the coachman and the carriage, not having a slight idea about other parts of the being, especially the soul.

So, in most cases, our personality, as the coachman, is the one in charge for explaining what is going on and what should be done. Even, for explaining what the enlightenment is, although, according to the Eastern Gnosis, this is the only part of the Coach, which is not real!? However, it has a potential to become real, if it manages to develop to the degree where it would be capable to integrate with ALL components of the Coach.

So, what properties our components have?

According to some sources:

the Soul has been defined in space, in energy and in consciousness, so regarding that she consists from the space and energy components, she projects itself along the time axis, in order to experience or learn about the spiritual reality. Therefore, a Soul may be incarnated into more human bodies, however, in different times.

The Spirit has been defined in time, energy and consciousness, so regarding that it consists from the time and energy components, it projects itself along the space axis, in order to experience or learn about the spiritual reality. Therefore, a Spirit may be incarnated into more human bodies, however, in the same time.

The Mind has been defined in the space, time and consciousness, so regarding that it consists from the components of the space and time, it projects itself along the energy axis, in order to experience or learn about the spiritual reality.

So, these three components can be regarded as the „Holy Trinity“ of a human being. One may say that in our current state, they are more or less disconnected from each other. This problem was known in Eastern Gnosis, so the teaching was designed in a way to help one to connect them, or to integrate them, on the level of one’s being. The people who managed to do that, were regarded as “inner people” and they belonged to the esoteric circle of the humanity.


Gurdjieff: “This circle consists of people who have attained the highest development possible for man, each one of whom possesses individuality in the fullest degree, that is to say, an indivisible ‘I,’ all forms of consciousness possible for man, full control over these states of consciousness, the whole of knowledge possible for man, and a free and independent will. They cannot perform actions opposed to their understanding or have an understanding which is not expressed by actions. At the same time there can be no discords among them, no differences of understanding. Therefore their activity is entirely coordinated and leads to one common aim without any kind of compulsion because it is based upon a common and identical understanding.”

So, the understanding and the actions of those conscious human beings would be based on their integrated consciousness (“all forms of consciousness”: the consciousness of the soul, the consciousness of the mind and the consciousness of the spirit).

It seems that our doing must be based on our understanding, which is based on our level of awareness or gained consciousness. Therefore, an optimal interaction with this reality can be exercised only by those human beings who would understand and act out of “all forms of consciousness”.

I am not sure if this conscious living and doing could be called an enlightenment?! However, it seems that one’s progress on his way towards an integration of his being would be his ability to see the “third option”, as it is about overcoming the duality, as well.

**

I remember a silly joke from the time when I was a kid. I heard and forgot many jokes in my life but somehow, I memorised this one for some reason, maybe because just of that, being silly, or because some part of my being recognised a deeper meaning in it?!

It was in former Yugoslavia, where, at least at that time, Tito’s partisans were widely regarded as “forces of good” and the Nazis as “forces of evil”.

It was a story about fighting between partisans and Nazis for a strategic position, which was a forest. Nazis attacked the partisans which were situated in the forest and after a fierce battle they managed to push partisans out of the forest. The partisans regrouped and made a counterattack, pushing the Nazis out of the forest… shortly after, the Nazis made another attack and partisans had to leave the forest, and so on… partisan into the forest, Nazis out of the forest, Nazis in the forest, partisans out, Nazis in, partisans out… and this would be about where the narrator stops and makes himself like sadly contemplating the whole situation. And, it would not pass a long when somebody from the audience would eagerly ask: “Tell us what the hell happened at the end!? The narrator would sadly answer: “Eh, nothing, a ranger came and dispelled everybody”.

So, the drama ended in an unexpected way and I remember then thinking, who the hell was the ranger?! He could be a good person because he attacked Nazis and pushed them out of the area, but if he was good, why he pushed out the partisans, as well, as everybody knows that the partisans were good guys!?

A long time later, when I was contemplating what was in Eastern Gnosis termed as the “third force”, this joke came to my mind and I realised that it was - the ranger. He intervened to stop the killing of humans, suffering and the destruction of nature with other living creatures as a result of psychopathological activities, which were exhibited by both sides in the conflict. He restored peace and balance in that environment.

**

So, one can ask a question of a possibility to become a “ranger” and maybe, engage his being in this direction!?

Of course, the first question would be, how one could possibly overcome all those armed forces, psychopaths, transpersonalised (psychopathised) individuals, soulless entities, or generally, the entropic forces, as Gurdjieff called them, when they can use, and they do use, all the means they have at their disposal?! If the entropic forces are “allowed” to use all the means (mostly technological), while the other side is limited in regards to that, then the entropic forces should logically be winning all the times!?

However, it seems that it does not have to be so!?

The ranger does not have and he does not need the arms, he would not need and use the mind control technologies and other weapons which entropic forces commonly employ. Simply because he has a component which entropic forces do not have, and this is - the soul component. This component can make a human being complete, if integrated! And a complete and sufficiently aware human being may choose with which events and entities he will interact in this reality, when and how, or for which events and entities he will stay invisible, i.e. not to interact with them. I mean, really invisible, switching from a particle (physical manifestation) into a wave (non-physical), in particular situations in which one may find himself, in this virtual reality.

I will try to provide a short background of this concept, which could be worth of a contemplation. There are many people who have been complaining throughout the years of being abducted by some non-human and human looking beings and were subjected by them to various sorts of manipulation and trauma. During the years of the research of this “phenomenon” it came out that most of the abductees could provide a meaningful resistance under certain conditions and it was on the basis of a cooperation of their triad (the Soul, the Mind and the Spirit), which they (their personalities) were not aware of previously, and which had to be brought from a usually disconnected, into a connected state, or at least, all the components of the being had to be made aware of the problem and they had to cooperate between themselves in order to fix it. It came out that the Soul component possessed skills and the energy required to locate and destroy not only various implants placed in the physical body by the intruders (which was verified numerous times by taking the X-rays before and after the intervention), but to locate and destroy the intruders, as well. So, the soul component proved to be a key part for the prevention of the attacks and the intrusions. It can provide an effective defence in unison with the other parts of the triad. So, having on mind that those archontic forces could be regarded as very intelligent and “turbo-psychopathic” and the fact that they could be dealt with, then, if properly understood, similar procedures may be applied on our classical “3D psychopaths”, which the former ones commonly use as their vehicles or proxy-servers in this reality, for the manipulation of the souled part of the humanity.

So, no surprise, for soulless part of the humanity (50% according to the Eastern Gnosis!?), the only direction to proceed with improvements of their performance and survivability, would be what they call the transhumanism. Their mentors and masters may have already achieved it?! But, the same does not have to apply to the rest of us. We do not have to be their hostages or victims. We can choose our own way. In this case, they will have to be looking for another source of food/energy, for an another place to keep their “dead ones” and for some other beings whose genome to manipulate. They need us, but we do not need them!

At the end, there seem to be some potentials in the concept of the integration of the being (the body, the mind, the spirit and the soul) (https://flashmentalsimulation.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/fdtct/), not only for the purpose of getting rid of abductions but for the purpose of an individual esoteric development, including the dealing with all sources of human manipulation and its realisation would depend on the level of awareness and creativity of our individual beings, as it seems that what we would be able to do, change or affect in the now, as the now is what only exists, would instantly change the past and the future.

And, this is what I would regard as a - true enlightenment.

…

[greybeard]

Good to see you here sms
Thank you for your contribution.

Love Chris

[Guish]

The ego-mind wouldn't want to go down without a fight, but it's best not to give it any fuel. :)

xZMumegxVjY


He says it well. If you are empty of an identity, nothing can harm you. How can someone affect Mr No one? Haha. I'd just add that once one is empty of the identity, everything unfolds on its own. Compassion, love, peace and bliss. This has always been our true nature but it was corrupted by social conditioning and ego.

[Wind]

There is this longing inside for something that you sense is a very powerful impulse for Truth, but every time you approach it, fear comes.
This door is in front of you and nobody tells you what is behind it.
This door is your personal mind. Your intuition and the master's voice and grace tell you to enter the room, which is your original place, your freedom and timeless being. But there is this hesitation inside also. You are told, ‘You must go through this door, don’t doubt, because you have come for Freedom and this is your chance. Trust.’

But every time you look towards this door, you hesitate—it seems to be on fire.
Will you go through?

In any authentic approach for Self-discovery you will have to fasten your seatbelt.
Strange things will come, not so much from outside, but from within.
Where do all these things coming from?
These fears like, 'Oh my God, I am going to die,' or, 'Life is so precious right now and I will lose all these wonderful things I have received in life.'

Show these wonderful treasures you are protecting so much!

The true seeker must be strong and courageous.
They have this strength, this resolve to say, ‘Yes, I am here only for this!’

You are here to come inside.
Come to the home which is not any distance from you.

A voice rises up, saying, 'Give me a guarantee.'
It tells you, 'Don't expose so much; protect yourself.'
Don't buy into this.
For the first time you are discovering and entering your own stillness, natural joy and being.

You realise how much these energies have been functioning in your life, keeping you blind to the Truth of who you really are.
They try to hide your completeness from your natural mind.
In Satsang you are rediscovering, through direct recognition and experience, the real Self.
It often takes a little time and repeated reminders before it becomes natural again.

When will it all end?

The mind will try and entice you with fool's gold, but the Self will also be leaving clues and signs here and there.
Sometimes she will also give you a kiss to show you she is the real one.
You must discern between these two gifts, which one to give yourself to.
You must discern and also trust.
When you eventually choose what is true,
every great power in the universe will come to support you.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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[Guish]

We seldom realize that our most private thoughts and emotions are not actually our own. For we think in terms of languages and images which we did not invent, but which were given to us by our society.” - Alan Watts

[Wind]

Discovering our true nature can feel difficult at first.
You must be persistent and trust in the voice that is calling you inside.
There will be arising within an urge to be free from the influence of the psychological mind.
Though doubts may arise you will sense that a greater power is on your side.

Recognise, acknowledge and welcome this sense or vibration.
Say 'yes' inside your heart to its calling and you will begin to find and follow the many clues and signs it is sending to guide you along the right path.
Whatever comes easy, we don't value. You know you have to win your Self back. You must search with all your mind and heart until you find the Real.

~ Mooji, Monte Sahaja 2015

[greybeard]

The Unimaginable----an awareness meditation



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0o0CFsIcGA

[Innocent Warrior]

Thank you for the documentary about NDEs, Chris. I used to read NDEs for years, for their spiritual insights and I appreciate the reminder of the simple yet important message about who we are and what's important in life - love.

I watched this remarkable interview with Anita Moorjani, who had a near death experience. Bob Olsen interviewed her and described the interview a the closest thing to interviewing a spirit and I agree. Amazing spiritual insights/confirmations, including how we become ill and how we can heal.

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A PDF of notes from Anita's book, "Dying To Be Me" here (http://msv-nhne.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Anita-Moorjani-Class-Notes.pdf).

[betoobig]

Thanks thanks thanks... I loved the Mooji meditation.As he mention the word "awareness" i felt no body and a sealike movement. Afterwords, even i had talk a lot about awareness, i´ve being pushed to look into the dictionary:
Awareness is the ability to perceive, to feel, or to be conscious of events, objects, thoughts, emotions, or sensory patterns.[1] In this level of consciousness, sense data can be confirmed by an observer without necessarily implying understanding. More broadly, it is the state or quality of being aware of something. In biological psychology, awareness is defined as a human's or an animal's perception and cognitive reaction to a condition or event.
And translated into spanish is coinciousness, no excatly a word for awareness.

I have to say sorry becouse i know there´s more than that for awareness after this meditation. Words just
can´t make it.
So, from awareness we should go to the heart and from the heart we should go into our minds to use them as a great tool, which it is.
Will it that be the third option??
Wouw my spine is going... no words my friends.
Did i mix it up all??? I just don´t know...

Thanks Inoccentworrior i just downloaded the pdf looking forward to read and see the interview.

Much LOVE
Juan

[greybeard]

Very happy for you Juan
Mooji suggests not analysing.
Trust your true Self to give you what you need.
Be Still be Quiet is standard advice.
Describe what is happening with your spine Juan.
You can Pm me if you like.

I suggest having a look at the other Mooji videos posted particularly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6fbT4vKGp0
This Is It! – The Final Satsang in Rishikesh - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO WATCH

Its posted a bit further back---noisy traffic at times but good

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Satsang with Mooji ♥ A Beautiful Confirmation of Grace


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfk9266BFw0

[Rich]

Thanks Juan

No effort to be what is. And no attention.

The ability to forget everything and remain detached is the highest state possible.
~ Nityananda

[Rich]

Bashar speaks about Oversouls


You have upon your planet at this time, approximately 6 billion people.......
.......but of all those 6 billions people, they are, the extension of only about 300.000 Oversouls.

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There are of course Oversouls for Oversouls, and Oversouls of Oversouls of Oversouls,
all the way back what you call All-that-Is and of course, all the way back to the One.
Now the One is the undifferentiated Oversoul of All, the One does not know itself,
there is no differentiation, no reflection, no self awareness in the One.

[Wind]

No, you are not good enough.
You are perfect and complete from before the beginning of time.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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