Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Guish]

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[Wind]

"When he abandons further trust in his own nature and clings to no more personal hopes, he really lets go of the ego. This gives him the possibility of being open to grace."

"The first value of prayer is that it is a confession of personal inadequacy and, by consequence, an aspiration to personal upliftment. It is a self-humbling of the ego and the beginning of a detachment from it. It is a first step in obedience to Jesus' paradoxical proclamation, "He that loseth his life shall find it."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Innocent Warrior]

Link to Alan Watts speech here (projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69588-Surfing-with-Wind&p=963337&viewfull=1#post963337).

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[greybeard]

Beautiful, loving, moving.
Satsang with Mooji ♥ A Beautiful Confirmation of Grace


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfk9266BFw0

[Wind]

You just can't go wrong with Watts or Mooji.

Don't touch anything and mind cannot touch you.

~Mooji

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[bodhi.d]

Hello there Greybeard, when you stop and really look for an ego it,s not there. All there is are labels of what we beleive our selfs to be. are we our body,s,our minds, our name,nationality,sex,or profetion? or are they what we are expiriencing. where are we in our body,s? are we in our body,s?

[bodhi.d]

I like them both but what really was the end of the road for me was Tony Parson,s.

[greybeard]

Yes bodhi.d Tony Parson's, Open Secret was an eye opener for me, also his interview on Conscious TV
The u tube version of this was posted on this thread quite some time ago.

I will look and see if I can find the video

Good to see you here.

Love Chris

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Tony Parson interviewed on Conscious TV


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL3aIolKCmA

[Guish]

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One of the most powerful things ever said. Anything said by Buddha has an instant calming effect. He has been a blessing to the Earth.

[Wind]

Give me one good reason why you are not the Self.
To be honest, I have not heard one yet.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

Latest Conscious TV interview
Non Duality - Awakenings (loaded 22 May 2015)

Francis Bennett - 'The Key To Happiness' - Interview by Iain McNay (watch this programme)
http://conscious.tv/nonduality.html?bcpid=45947084001&bclid=46629186001&bctid=4245096270001

Francis Bennett was a Roman Catholic, Trappist monk for a number of years. He lived in two monasteries of the Trappist Order in the US and was also a member of an urban, contemplative monastic community originally founded in Paris, France in 1975. He has lived in France at several monasteries, and in Canada at a small monastic community in Montreal Quebec. He received a five and a half year monastic/spiritual formation with the Trappists before he made his vows as a monk at Gethsemani Abbey in 1983. He has worked in ministry in the area of spiritual Care in the hospice movement, as a hospital chaplain and in spiritual care of the sick and dying in parish settings. In 2010, while in the middle of a Church Service in his monastery in Montreal, Francis suddenly experienced what he has come to call, "a radical perceptual shift in consciousness", in which he discovered the ever present presence of spacious, pure awareness. He came to see that this awareness is actually the unchanging essence of who he really is and always has been; the Supreme Self. He also came to see simultaneously, that this vast, infinite sense of presence at the center of his being (and at the center of the being of everyone else on the planet) is actually not at all separate from the presence of God, which he had been looking for during his many years as a monk and spiritual seeker.

[greybeard]

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[greybeard]

Well the thread just made the 300.000 visits mark and is over two thousand a week.
What is important is that there is an ongoing, increasing interest in spirituality and in particular, enlightenment/non-duality.
Thanks to all who visit and those who contribute, without whom there would not be this long standing thread.

With love
Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

Well the thread just made the 300.000 visits mark and is over two thousand a week.
What is important is that there is an ongoing, increasing interest in spirituality and in particular, enlightenment/non-duality.
Thanks to all who visit and those who contribute, without whom there would not be this long standing thread.

With love
Chris

Wow, brilliant! A big thanks to you, Chris, for creating such an inspiring thread. A haven of love and expansion.


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[Guish]

Latest Conscious TV interview
Non Duality - Awakenings (loaded 22 May 2015)

Francis Bennett - 'The Key To Happiness' - Interview by Iain McNay (watch this programme)
http://conscious.tv/nonduality.html?bcpid=45947084001&bclid=46629186001&bctid=4245096270001

Francis Bennett was a Roman Catholic, Trappist monk for a number of years. He lived in two monasteries of the Trappist Order in the US and was also a member of an urban, contemplative monastic community originally founded in Paris, France in 1975. He has lived in France at several monasteries, and in Canada at a small monastic community in Montreal Quebec. He received a five and a half year monastic/spiritual formation with the Trappists before he made his vows as a monk at Gethsemani Abbey in 1983. He has worked in ministry in the area of spiritual Care in the hospice movement, as a hospital chaplain and in spiritual care of the sick and dying in parish settings. In 2010, while in the middle of a Church Service in his monastery in Montreal, Francis suddenly experienced what he has come to call, "a radical perceptual shift in consciousness", in which he discovered the ever present presence of spacious, pure awareness. He came to see that this awareness is actually the unchanging essence of who he really is and always has been; the Supreme Self. He also came to see simultaneously, that this vast, infinite sense of presence at the center of his being (and at the center of the being of everyone else on the planet) is actually not at all separate from the presence of God, which he had been looking for during his many years as a monk and spiritual seeker.

I watched the first ten minutes. It confirms what I know. Being in the moment is the way of knowing god. He talks about a presence which brings peace. This is what we all long for but this is what our nature is before we get corrupted by our surroundings.

[Wind]

Congrats Chris, this is has been and is a truly great thread.

Don't try and stop the mind.
Trying to stop the mind is like trying to stop the wind dressed as a kite.
Don't fight with mind.
Because the one fighting mind has also mind inside himself.
Simply remain present as Awareness.
You are the space in which the flapping about of the mind is seen.
Now you may say ' But I cannot hold the attention in the Awareness' but even the attempt to hold attention in Awareness or trying anything at all to reach the Awareness is itself seen inside the Awareness.
Now, can it be this simple?

I wonder who gets this!

~ Mooji

[Wind]

When I see you, I see the light of God.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

When I see you, I see the light of God.

~ Mooji

Even someone hurting you can be seen as an act of grace as it tests your inner peace. The story below was quoted by me before but it supports what I'm saying here.


The Buddha was sitting under a tree talking to his disciples when a man came and spat in his face. He wiped it off, and he asked the man, “What next? What do you want to say next?” The man was a little puzzled because he himself never expected that when you spit in someone’s face he should ask “What next?” He had no such experience in his past. He had insulted people and they had become angry and they had reacted. Or if they were cowards and weaklings, they had smiled, trying to bribe him. But the Buddha was like neither, he was not angry, nor in any way offended, nor in any way cowardly. But just matter-of-factly he said, “What next?” There was no reaction on his part.

But Buddha’s disciples became angry, and they reacted. His closest disciple, Ananda, said, “This is too much. We cannot tolerate it. He has to be punished for it, otherwise everybody will start doing things like this!”

Buddha said, “You keep silent. He has not offended me, but you are offending me. He is new, a stranger. He must have heard from people something about me, that this man is an atheist, a dangerous man who is throwing people off their track, a revolutionary, a corrupter. And he may have formed some idea, a notion of me. He has not spit on me, he has spit on his notion. He has spit on his idea of me because he does not know me at all, so how can he spit on me?

“If you think on it deeply,” Buddha said, “he has spit on his own mind. I am not part of it, and I can see that this poor man must have something else to say because this is a way of saying something. Spitting is a way of saying something. There are moments when you feel that language is impotent: in deep love, in intense anger, in hate, in prayer. There are intense moments when language is impotent. Then you have to do something. When you are angry, intensely angry, you hit the person, you spit on him, you are saying something. I can understand him. He must have something more to say, that’s why I’m asking, “What next?”

The man was even more puzzled! And Buddha said to his disciples, “I am more offended by you because you know me, and you have lived for years with me, and still you react.”

Puzzled, confused, the man returned home. He could not sleep the whole night. When you see a Buddha, it is difficult, impossible to sleep anymore the way you used to sleep before. Again and again he was haunted by the experience. He could not explain it to himself, what had happened. He was trembling all over, sweating and soaking the sheets. He had never come across such a man; the Buddha had shattered his whole mind and his whole pattern, his whole past.


The next morning he went back. He threw himself at Buddha’s feet. Buddha asked him again, “What next? This, too, is a way of saying something that cannot be said in language. When you come and touch my feet, you are saying something that cannot be said ordinarily, for which all words are too narrow; it cannot be contained in them.” Buddha said, “Look, Ananda, this man is again here, he is saying something. This man is a man of deep emotions.”

The man looked at Buddha and said, “Forgive me for what I did yesterday.”

Buddha said, “Forgive? But I am not the same man to whom you did it. The Ganges goes on flowing, it is never the same Ganges again. Every man is a river. The man you spit upon is no longer here. I look just like him, but I am not the same, much has happened in these twenty-four hours! The river has flowed so much. So I cannot forgive you because I have no grudge against you.

“And you also are new. I can see you are not the same man who came yesterday because that man was angry and he spit, whereas you are bowing at my feet, touching my feet. How can you be the same man? You are not the same man, so let us forget about it. Those two people, the man who spit and the man on whom he spit, both are no more. Come closer. Let us talk of something else.”

[Innocent Warrior]

I participated in an energy circle with 59 other people at a workshop today. We exploded a huge energy ball of unconditional love out to all living creatures on Earth.

https://lisagawlas.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/love-explosion.jpg

Enjoy!

[truthseekerdan]

Useful information for my friends visiting here... Enjoy!

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[Wind]

When you forget yourself, you find Him.
When you remember yourself, He hides.

~ Mooji

[truthseekerdan]

When you forget yourself, you find IT.
When you remember yourself, IT hides.

Much love and wisdom

[Guish]

When you forget yourself, you find Him.
When you remember yourself, He hides.

~ Mooji

Be selfless.
Without Form, without attraction, without repulsion.
The door to heaven will open on its own.
The mind will quiet
The smile will be effortless
You'd leave others speechless.

[Guish]

1. Everything changes

“Suzuki Roshi, I’ve been listening to your lectures for years,” a student said during the question and answer time following a lecture, “but I just don’t understand. Could you just please put it in a nutshell? Can you reduce Buddhism to one phrase?”

Everyone laughed. Suzuki laughed.

“Everything changes,” he said. Then he asked for another question.

Explanation: One of the foremost teachings in Buddhism is that everything in life is impermanent. Suzuki Roshi (Shunryu Suzuki of Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind) is referring to this impermanence by saying “everything changes”. This is a very deep teaching, but I’ll attempt to sum it up in a way that can be understood and immediately helpful in a few words.

Because it encompasses everything, you can contemplate for hours on end and not realize the full magnitude of the principle of impermanence. You are impermanent, your loved ones are impermanent, your home is impermanent, even our planet is impermanent.

Why is this important? Because it teaches us that grasping onto things is one of the major reasons as to why we suffer. We need to live being aware of the ever-changing nature of reality and appreciate the present moment. It’s not about letting go, it’s really about not grasping in the first place. If we can learn to live in this way, we can find peace in everyday life.

[greybeard]

Another short.
No self, no problem.

Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

We're already creating flawlessly, seamlessly. So perfectly that we're unaware of it. We create effortlessly. We are masters of creation by nature, creating is like breathing. Awareness returns to us our ability to direct what we create.

[Guish]

Hehe,

IW, you started to speak the language.

[Grizz Griswold]

1. Everything changes

“Suzuki Roshi, I’ve been listening to your lectures for years,” a student said during the question and answer time following a lecture, “but I just don’t understand. Could you just please put it in a nutshell? Can you reduce Buddhism to one phrase?”

Everyone laughed. Suzuki laughed.

“Everything changes,” he said. Then he asked for another question.

Explanation: One of the foremost teachings in Buddhism is that everything in life is impermanent. Suzuki Roshi (Shunryu Suzuki of Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind) is referring to this impermanence by saying “everything changes”. This is a very deep teaching, but I’ll attempt to sum it up in a way that can be understood and immediately helpful in a few words.

Because it encompasses everything, you can contemplate for hours on end and not realize the full magnitude of the principle of impermanence. You are impermanent, your loved ones are impermanent, your home is impermanent, even our planet is impermanent.

Why is this important? Because it teaches us that grasping onto things is one of the major reasons as to why we suffer. We need to live being aware of the ever-changing nature of reality and appreciate the present moment. It’s not about letting go, it’s really about not grasping in the first place. If we can learn to live in this way, we can find peace in everyday life.

I like this one Geerish,
But would add in time everything changes. To go another step, in time the only thing that
doesn't change is....Everything changes.
Enjoying Your posts!

With Love
barry

[Wind]

This is one of my favorite videos from Mooji, it's good and funny too. Watch until the end.

See What Cannot Be Seen

"What is here that cannot be abandoned? Leave everything for a while -
your thoughts, your feelings, your aspirations your memory or anything you can see in the objective world.
If all these things vanish, you will still know 'I am'.

What is 'I am' ? What is the 'I' that am? Am means 'to be'. Who is the 'I' to be?
Don't think. Feel and look. Let the question show you the answer."

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[Guish]

2. Empty your cup

Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.

Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on pouring. The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”

“Like this cup,” Nan-in said, “you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?”

Possible explanation by Geerish: One views the world through one's perception. If one is negative, one would see negativity, one would create negativity and one would attract negativity. If one is positive, one would see positivity in others. If one goes beyond positivity and negativity, one would see the world in a different way. One would see realities created by the dualistic perspective of people. So empty your cup and feel the presence.

[Jake]

Awesome post.. :) Like searching for the elusive Buddha Palm technique... Reminds me of this scene from Forbidden Kingdom. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVCvU-KKgJ0

Jake





2. Empty your cup

Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.

Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on pouring. The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”

“Like this cup,” Nan-in said, “you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?”

Possible explanation by Geerish: One views the world through one's perception. If one is negative, one would see negativity, one would create negativity and one would attract negativity. If one is positive, one would see positivity in others. If one goes beyond positivity and negativity, one would see the world in a different way. One would see realities created by the dualistic perspective of people. So empty your cup and feel the presence.

[greybeard]

Good to see you here Jake
Thanks for the post.

Much love
Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

Here is a video by David Hoffmeister, who has been involved in teachings from A Course in Miracles,
for quite a few years. ACIM uses Christian terminology, but it's message is one of Spirit. Listen with
Your heart and notice how Davids words (symbols) also agree with what most here believe.

This Video is about "Resigning as Your own teacher"

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barry

[Innocent Warrior]

Bashar mentions what is discussed in Barry's post in "the three aspects of you".

Adding to Barry's post (I use the same teminology btw and I'm not Christian, no probs, all good). Remembering that I am the creator of my own reality, understanding that my life is not the product of chance and chaos, brought me peace. Then remembering that this experiencer aspect of my being not only doesn't need to be concerned with the how, but is actually incapable of knowing how...how liberating.

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[truthseekerdan]

For my friends here... Enjoy! 💜

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[greybeard]

Good to see you posting again Dan.

Much love, from your old friend
Chris

[Guish]

Awesome post.. :) Like searching for the elusive Buddha Palm technique... Reminds me of this scene from Forbidden Kingdom. :)




That was so funny as well. There's one scene from the last Samorai that keeps inspiring me.

-DAWlspPiuI

[Wind]

The Last Samurai used to be one of my favorite movies. :)

"When Jesus declared that he was the Way, he spoke as the infinite Christ-self in every man, not as the finite person Jesus. He meant that whoever sought God, the Father, had to come through this higher self, could not find him by any other channel. This only was the Way."

~ Paul Brunton

[truthseekerdan]

This is a very cool original animation by Louis Lefebvre which chronicles the evolution of Consciousness from its inanimate state into human form and then back through spiritual seeking to Oneness. Its inspiration is the spiritual teaching of Wayne Liquorman and Ramesh S. Balsekar.

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[Rich]

I like them both but what really was the end of the road for me was Tony Parson,s.

I've watched a few Tony Parsons videos on youtube, he among others say there is no such thing as an I.
This is a common theme in the nonduality teaching.
''There is no I''.

What is the 'I' that supposedly does not exist? What is the definition of this 'I'?

[greybeard]

I like them both but what really was the end of the road for me was Tony Parson,s.

I've watched a few Tony Parsons videos on youtube, he among others say there is no such thing as an I.
This is a common theme in the nonduality teaching.
''There is no I''.

What is the 'I' that supposedly does not exist? What is the definition of this 'I'?


There are many definitions EmEx
The short answer is ego.
That is the claim to be the the author and the doer of everything
The love affair with the story of me.
An idea --a thought without any substance.

A quoted by quite a few teachers
" Events happens, deeds are done, but there is no doer there of"

Things happen in spite of "us" it seems

Everything is assuming its own potential.
Nothing is causing anything to happen
The flower requires an environment to grow, but you cant say the sun made it grow, or any other part of the environment was solely responsible for growth or non growth.
Sages say that the totality brings everything about---there is nothing separate.

However there is Maya, the appearance of a separate self because "God" wanted to experience this.
God became all without diminishing Self---you are that Self.

Tims thread tells it as it really is.

Hope this helps EmEx---assuming I understood the question properly.

Love Chris

[GarethBKK]

"See clearly that all we know is experiencing. However, experiencing is not known by someone or something other than itself. It is experiencing that experiences experiencing.

Where is the inside self and the outside world in our actual experience? Stay intimately with pure experiencing and see if you find such a self or world there.

Where is the line in pure experiencing that separates an inside from an outside? Search experience and try to find this line.

This absolute intimacy of pure experiencing is what we call love. It is the absence of distance, separation or otherness. There is no room for two there. Love is the experience of pure non-duality."

Rupert Spira Presence: The Art of Peace and Happiness

[Guish]

We are in essence empty. Hence, comes the urge to empty our cup to end suffering.

[Innocent Warrior]

I think there's something I'm still missing with the whole "I" subject. This confusion is what led me to misunderstand that quote Wind posted a little while back.


There are many definitions EmEx
The short answer is ego.
That is the claim to be the the author and the doer of everything
The love affair with the story of me.
An idea --a thought without any substance.

I thought this was of the physical mind?


" Events happens, deeds are done, but there is no doer there of"

Things happen in spite of "us" it seems

" Events happens, deeds are done, but there is no doer there of"

Things happen in spite of "us" it seems

Everything is assuming its own potential.
Nothing is causing anything to happen
The flower requires an environment to grow, but you cant say the sun made it grow, or any other part of the environment was solely responsible for growth or non growth.
Sages say that the totality brings everything about---there is nothing separate.

This I see and understand and agree.


However there is Maya, the appearance of a separate self because "God" wanted to experience this.
God became all without diminishing Self---you are that Self.

I can't imagine God ever wanted/wants anything, God is all that is, and this also seems to be a contradiction of the previous quote? God exists, God BEs (I am) and therefore everything is created (automatically?), simply by God's existence?

I either disagree or I'm missing something and I earnestly don't know which it is.

[Guish]

We are pure consciousness and we have forgotten we are it by getting entangled with matter; matter being the physical body and mind. With time, we realise we are something else and the quest for spirituality starts.

[greybeard]

I think there's something I'm still missing with the whole "I" subject. This confusion is what led me to misunderstood


However there is Maya, the appearance of a separate self because "God" wanted to experience this.
God became all without diminishing Self---you are that Self.

I can't imagine God ever wanted/wants anything, God is all that is, and this also seems to be a contradiction of the previous quote? God exists, God BEs (I am) and therefore everything is created (automatically?), simply by God's existence?

I either disagree or I'm missing something and I earnestly don't know which it is.


Hi innocent Warrior
Some times I go up and down levels from relative truth to Truth.

Its a little complex but the sages say look for the "I" as in Ramana's classic Self Enquiry (Who am I?)
You are looking for something that is permanent, unchanging.
The I/me is ever changing---concepts, ideas, notions so from the point of Truth, which by definition does not change, its un true and does not exist.
It needs an other, to self define it self, for example "I am a kind person"--well you cant be kind without another.
What looks through your eyes is ---awareness and unchanging. That's what you are.

God is an over used word "Ultimate" perhaps is more helpful.

Its a step down principal.

God,Self,Ultimate as you say, has no desire, wants nothing, is complete perfect and One without a second and everything comes about without desire or intention.

So a step down from Ultimate is consciousness.
A further step down is limited consciousness.
That's duality.
Its some times spoken of as Divine hypnosis.
The hypnosis being that we believe we are a person.

So consciousness is evolving to know itself.

If I say any more it gets muddy and open to misunderstanding.

Enlightenment is the removal of ignorance.
The ignorance being that you/we are currently unaware of our true identity.
We may know or suspect intellectually but that's not it
Which brings us back to, we are Self (Singular) "we" is misleading--there is in reality only One here/everywhere.

Hope this is helpful I,W.
Im not saying I'm right but its my current understanding and that took years to get to.

Much love
Chris

[Jake]

You have all inspired me to join in.. This discussion is priceless. I am humbled. I havs always tended to be quite 'indian brave', with what I have experienced.. I am learning.. :) Thank you for this space, everyone....

My life has taught me that experience and creation are inseparable.. In the physical world, the artist does not get to jump into the painting and live its life,,, but on the canvas of consciousness,, that is exactly what we are doing! Except that creation and experience happen simultaneously... If it is God doing the creating/experiencing,, then I (I) am part of the unfolding experience of a living God... If this is all my (our) creation,, then someone needs to help me understand who is looking out from behind my eyes!!

I can imagine that God would long for the experience of its creation,, after all,, eternity is a long moment.. lol...

And if it is true that God never leaves its 'station' as the highest consciousness, , then I will be happy to experience my life and bring back those fruits as gifts!!! :) Either way,, creating and experiencing are inseparable,, if not the same thing...

I like to think that if there is a God,,, then each and every one of us is who God would be if it were to live OUR lives... It makes thing remarkably easier for me... It helps me to see something much more about folks when I look them in the eye!!



What if suddenly your big toe were to begin to become self aware? What would you do? Would you immediately stop it from doing so? Or would you let it experience its life as a self aware toe? Either way, wether or not it realizes it,,, the toe is an integral part of something much more profound than its individual ego...

(Though if yer toe starts wiggling on its own,,, id get it checked,,, lol...) ;);)

Ha! Sync,, there is a hole at the bottom of mee coffe cup,,, gotta go...

Thanks for just being who you are..
jake

[greybeard]

Silent Retreat with Sri Mooji at Monte Sahaja
29 July – 5 August 2015
Full info on the link.

http://mooji.org/msretreat/

[greybeard]

Baked beans
What's that got to do with anything?
Cooperation is essential in this duality.
How many people does it take to get this product to you?
Thousands.

I thought about this deeply---dont know why.

If you look first at the cultivation of the beans--how many to till the soil --harvest the beans?
Then there is the transport.
How many involved in constructing the truck?
Then there is the ship to ferry it across the water.
How many involved in that?
Then there is the petrol/fuels etc
How many involved in extracting producing the fuel?
Making the can
Finally of course there is the check out person.
I could go on

Its a question of appreciation of life as it is.
Gratitude is an essential part of the evolution of consciousness

Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

Its a question of appreciation of life as it is.
Gratitude is an essential part of the evolution of consciousness

Chris

Hi Chris,
Very much in agreement, also there is not seeing anyone as separate from
Our self. In Love and Gratitude/Appreciation, we receive truly what We give away. This really is essential in knowing Our true Reality.

With Love
b

[Wind]

Eckhart Tolle TV: What part does willpower play in awakening?

"Little to no part; instead, surrender to the moment."

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[Rich]

A few days ago it occurred to me that I do not know what the ''teachers'' mean when they say ''There is no I.''
I found this fascinating to contemplate, maybe it sounds silly to you but I asked:

What is the 'I' that supposedly does not exist? What is the definition of this 'I'?

I am not asking what the real I is or isn't, I am asking what they mean when 'they' say it.

a few shortened answers:


That is the claim to be the the author and the doer of everything
The love affair with the story of me.


the appearance of a separate self


experiencing is not known by someone or something other than itself.
It is the absence of distance, separation or otherness. There is no room for two there.

How about this explanation:

Identification with something is the ''I''.
The thought of being something - anything, is the ''I'' which does not exist?!

When we identify with something an I appears and when we don't there is no I?!

I think that is what the teachers mean with ''There is no I''?!

So another way of saying ''there is no I'' would be: ''You cannot be anything you can think of.''

Is that what is meant by it?

Any insights are welcome.

[GarethBKK]

My life has taught me that experience and creation are inseparable.. In the physical world, the artist does not get to jump into the painting and live its life,,, but on the canvas of consciousness,, that is exactly what we are doing! Except that creation and experience happen simultaneously... If it is God doing the creating/experiencing,, then I (I) am part of the unfolding experience of a living God... If this is all my (our) creation,, then someone needs to help me understand who is looking out from behind my eyes!!

I can imagine that God would long for the experience of its creation,, after all,, eternity is a long moment.. lol...

And if it is true that God never leaves its 'station' as the highest consciousness, , then I will be happy to experience my life and bring back those fruits as gifts!!! :) Either way,, creating and experiencing are inseparable,, if not the same thing...

I like to think that if there is a God,,, then each and every one of us is who God would be if it were to live OUR lives... It makes thing remarkably easier for me... It helps me to see something much more about folks when I look them in the eye!!

Bingo! Creating and experiencing are the same thing.

The 'I' in all of this is a veil that was created and prevented the clarity of truth. In the direct approaches to lifting the veil, the invitation is to explore this 'I' in experience. There is nothing to know. This is not a thing or a concept. The true reality of 'I' cannot be found in thought. Only in direct experiencing of all that arises (including the sensation that the big toe is in charge - LOL) can all of this be understood. Eventually, the exploration of 'I' will reveal that it never had any reality. There is no identity in experiencing.

We are often told of the importance of here and now. What is often not understood is that here is not a place. Now is not a moment between past and future. Instead, in direct experience of all of this, here is an awareness where space, objects and separateness have gone. It feels like home. Time, which was only based in thought, is replaced by timelessness. 'I' simply does not arise here.

Only when direct experience has removed the 'I' veil can all of this be understood. The question is how to explore direct experience.

[Guish]

How about this explanation:

Identification with something is the ''I''.
The thought of being something - anything, is the ''I'' which does not exist?!

When we identify with something an I appears and when we don't there is no I?!

I think that is what the teachers mean with ''There is no I''?!

So another way of saying ''there is no I'' would be: ''You cannot be anything you can think of.''

Is that what is meant by it?

Any insights are welcome.

We are our thoughts. We act on beliefs and attract situations. Thoughts can be flat or may have a certain vibration to it. Buddha said few words but had very profound effects. When you are in bliss, thoughts still pop up but they are automatic and free of any bias. Who are we? We can be anything we want but we were already something pure, a presence, a void that has an infinite number of possibilities.

[greybeard]

Conscious TV

http://www.conscious.tv/

Non Duality - Awakenings (loaded 29 May 2015)
Linda Clair - 'I Am Enlightened' - Interview by Renate McNay (watch this programme)
http://conscious.tv/nonduality.html?bcpid=45947084001&bclid=46629186001&bctid=4249207019001

Linda was born in Sydney in 1958. She had virtually no interest in meditation or spiritual matters until the age of 37, when she was introduced to Peter Jones, who became her first teacher. This meeting was an intense experience for her. There was a depth to the communication she had never experienced before, and it triggered a search for freedom, which was soon the major focus of her life. At this time she had two teenage children and was running a small business, but she managed to make time for intensive meditation. In 1997 she had a profound awakening during a ten-day retreat in northern New South Wales. She later described the experience as 'deeper than bliss'.There was a marked change in her after the awakening, which was really a very strong glimpse of enlightenment. She knew now what was possible, and she also knew that she would not be satisfied until that state became permanent. She maintained the humble attitude of a student and continued to practice.During this time she met the Japanese Zen Master, Hogen Yamahata, who also impressed her with his deeply enlightened presence and humility.In 2004 she travelled to Japan and spent six weeks at a Zen monastery with Hogen-san's Master, Harada Tangen Roshi, known as Roshi Sama. Her time with him was intense. She sensed she was close to the culmination of her journey. She returned to Australia in a deeply detached, peaceful state. Roshi Sama gave her the name Dai'an Jishin, which translates as 'deep peace, compassionate heart/mind'. Her search ended during a ten-day retreat with Hogen-san at Springbrook, in the mountains behind the Gold Coast in Queensland.'Everything changed. All fear disappeared. I was left with nothing and nothing to lose. The depth of peace and satisfaction overwhelmed me, and it continues to deepen every day. Life is immediate. There is no desire for anything more or different. This is enough.'

[greybeard]

A few days ago it occurred to me that I do not know what the ''teachers'' mean when they say ''There is no I.''
I found this fascinating to contemplate, maybe it sounds silly to you but I asked:

What is the 'I' that supposedly does not exist? What is the definition of this 'I'?

I am not asking what the real I is or isn't, I am asking what they mean when 'they' say it.

a few shortened answers:


That is the claim to be the the author and the doer of everything
The love affair with the story of me.


the appearance of a separate self


experiencing is not known by someone or something other than itself.
It is the absence of distance, separation or otherness. There is no room for two there.

How about this explanation:

Identification with something is the ''I''.
The thought of being something - anything, is the ''I'' which does not exist?!

When we identify with something an I appears and when we don't there is no I?!

I think that is what the teachers mean with ''There is no I''?!

So another way of saying ''there is no I'' would be: ''You cannot be anything you can think of.''

Is that what is meant by it?

Any insights are welcome.

Yes EmEx
The word identification covers this beautifully.
Its all what Paul Hedderman calls selfing.
The I, me and mine story.

Love Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

I think there's something I'm still missing with the whole "I" subject. This confusion is what led me to misunderstood


However there is Maya, the appearance of a separate self because "God" wanted to experience this.
God became all without diminishing Self---you are that Self.

I can't imagine God ever wanted/wants anything, God is all that is, and this also seems to be a contradiction of the previous quote? God exists, God BEs (I am) and therefore everything is created (automatically?), simply by God's existence?

I either disagree or I'm missing something and I earnestly don't know which it is.


Hi innocent Warrior
Some times I go up and down levels from relative truth to Truth.

Its a little complex but the sages say look for the "I" as in Ramana's classic Self Enquiry (Who am I?)
You are looking for something that is permanent, unchanging.
The I/me is ever changing---concepts, ideas, notions so from the point of Truth, which by definition does not change, its un true and does not exist.
It needs an other, to self define it self, for example "I am a kind person"--well you cant be kind without another.
What looks through your eyes is ---awareness and unchanging. That's what you are.

God is an over used word "Ultimate" perhaps is more helpful.

Its a step down principal.

God,Self,Ultimate as you say, has no desire, wants nothing, is complete perfect and One without a second and everything comes about without desire or intention.

So a step down from Ultimate is consciousness.
A further step down is limited consciousness.
That's duality.
Its some times spoken of as Divine hypnosis.
The hypnosis being that we believe we are a person.

So consciousness is evolving to know itself.

If I say any more it gets muddy and open to misunderstanding.

Enlightenment is the removal of ignorance.
The ignorance being that you/we are currently unaware of our true identity.
We may know or suspect intellectually but that's not it
Which brings us back to, we are Self (Singular) "we" is misleading--there is in reality only One here/everywhere.

Hope this is helpful I,W.
Im not saying I'm right but its my current understanding and that took years to get to.

Much love
Chris

Beautifully written, perfect. Yes, this is very helpful, got it, thank you! <3

[Rich]

We are our thoughts.
I think it was Nisargadatta that said: Love says I am everything, Peace says I am nothing.





Who are we? We can be anything we want but we were already something pure, a presence, a void that has an infinite number of possibilities.

Yes Guish, Bashar has said, anything we can imagine we can be and anything we can imagine we already contain. When we see that we are nothing then we can really be anything we choose.

I suspect it was a necessary step in our evolution to get lost in thoughts to learn how to identify with something.


In the direct approaches to lifting the veil, the invitation is to explore this 'I' in experience.

Interesting is that Tony Parsons and a few others speak out against meditation and contemplation.
While many other teachers encourage meditation and spiritual practices.
This has probably already been posted before since it's an old article, a dispute between Tony Parson and 2 other teachers:
http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/trad_neo/humanism_moller.htm

[Wind]

Experience the Shift that Ends all Fear (http://www.ewao.com/a/1-experience-the-shift-that-ends-all-fear)

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"Could fear be something that is only felt by our egos? What is the ultimate fear of the ego and how can I use that knowledge to free myself of all my fears through meditation?

The Ego is ultimately afraid of death. Not death of the body but death of itself. Death of the individual mind. All of our fears trickle down from that original fear.

Experiencing the death of the ego is often seen as a very scary event. Sometimes when you are extremely deep in meditation you find yourself in a oneness that is often referred to as the void. Once you are in the void the ego cannot comprehend it so it becomes full of fear.

The ego cannot experience oneness reality because it is the tool we use to understand and experience separation. The separation from each other, objects, the world around us, other thoughts, and anything else you can imagine.

Once you enter the realm of absolute oneness the ego will often freak out because it has no concept or ability to experience what it is going through. What we need to remember is that our consciousness goes far beyond the ego and even though the ego is experiencing fear our true self is not.

If you fractal this concept back down into every day life it is the same thing. Just because you are feeling fear doesn't mean your soul is feeling fear. You can tap into and shift your perception into that of the soul and although you will be aware of the fear that your ego is experiencing you will not be controlled by it.

The trick that Shunyamurti talks about in the video below is that we need to remember that we are not the "me" experiencing fear. We are the oneness or higher consciousness connected to everyone and one with the universe. We must surrender to that divine essence and know that we will be safe in order to bypass the egoic fear and observe it without attaching to it.

That is where we will find peace and be one again with our soul. We are all that is and the simple fears the ego has, such as about lack and separation, do not sway the ultimate soul. Although you will have a sense of compassion for the ego fear it will no longer control you."


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[Rich]

Bashar has said the personality is an artificial construct (but says there is nothing wrong with it).
Maybe this is a 'better' explanation of the ''There is no I.'' statement.

[greybeard]

The challenge is to meditate without looking for an outcome or even thinking that you are the one doing meditation.
We are back to identification and also attachment.
Its a very narrow pathless path.
Bart Marshall said nothing works but through "personal" endeavour that which is sought finds that which is seeking.
That's not a word for word quote.

I find the Mooji meditations helpful and they have restarted Kundalini activity in my spine.
There are four which I use in rotation.
Will post one and other videos that I find helpful.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0o0CFsIcGA



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKM4aVJXxo4



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stW9Qso-vZk

[greybeard]

Bashar has said the personality is an artificial construct (but says there is nothing wrong with it).
Maybe this is a 'better' explanation of the ''There is no I.'' statement.

That's true.
The personality is not what you are but it gets you through this world.
Dr David Hawkins said that the personality was like a pet dog that followed him around.
You can be quite fond of the personality and what it attracts into "your" life.
It certainly is not an enemy.
Its just not what you are.

Nasargadatts was quite fiery--he could seem to loose the temper with a person, then moments later laugh and joke with him.
It was a pure response to whatever presented in that exact moment--it was not carried over to the "next" moment.

Mooji suggests that you dont analyse just be aware---feel.
Its easy to get into trying to understand all the small stuff, which does seem important and miss out on just being aware.
The mind will keep you busy and that's a distraction.

I remember well having the opportunity to sit alone with an enlightened sage.
I had all the questions under the sun prepared, I even had them written down.
When he and I sat together all the questions disappeared, they were totally redundant.
All I asked was "Have I far to go?"
His response met me where I stood. "A little way yet"
Then we just sat in silence.
For several days after that I was in a state of bliss---in love with everyone on the ashram that I met.
It was not an enlightened experience in that I still saw others as separate from me.

When I got back to Scotland I started to look for reasons that it happened--the guru--environment--India.
Well next day it happened again.
It was like Self saying no its not down to anything exterior to you.
Its your True nature.

I'm a bit verbose---don't know why.

Love Chris

[Wind]

Sometimes there will be an intensification of your unfolding into the Self.
Be completely open in your heart.
Don't say, 'Okay, I would like to travel in first gear.
It's nice and I'm coming towards second.'
No. When you surrender, let God's hand be your gearstick.
Let him drive.
Don't try to control, in any way, the speed of your deliverance.
Don't suggest slowing down.
Don't say, 'I can only cope with this speed.'
And don't even bother about a seatbelt.
Be in full trust.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

When Paul Hedderman talks about selfing its not that easy to get until you have heard him a few times.

As I understand, basically he saying that anything that arises, we, a noun, claim ownership of a verb, something that is happening or happened.
It happened to a me.
As part of that you could say that the event is real before the mind gets in there and evaluates colours the experience, so we dont actually get the experience we get our personal take on it. We don't even realise its an interpretation of the event, we dont realise that in a fraction of a second the mind has altered the event to fit our concepts--mind set, the works.

If you can watch without using language then its real.

For example you can see a bird flying--so far so good--then the mind gets in there with --Oh yes its a black bird looks like one I saw here yesterday.
The moment you get into analysis of the event--naming--you are no longer seeing reality--you are in mind, in your filing system.

Perhaps Barry could explain better, he has listened to Paul more than I,

Love Chris

[Guish]

Agree Chris. That's why selflessness is important to understand reality as you'd put your beliefs in a corner. There are some universal truths which are not interpretations though.

For e.x, attachment leads to suffering.
Reality is not permanent

[Guish]

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If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.

[Wind]

"Once arrived [in the presence of the divine power], one is not to labour, only to let oneself be laboured through. One must have the uncommon sense to say: “I shall interfere no longer. I shall cease this endless calculation of ways and means. I shall put down my cares and duties on the ground beside me. I see now what I, in my blindness, refused to see before, that the Overself which supports and carries me, can perform all calculations, manage all affairs, bear all burdens in a manner infinitely better than I could ever do, simply because it is itself infinite in power and wisdom."

~ Paul Brunton

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[gripreaper]

The personality is not what you are but it gets you through this world. Dr David Hawkins said that the personality was like a pet dog that followed him around. You can be quite fond of the personality and what it attracts into "your" life. It certainly is not an enemy. Its just not what you are.

It is for those who are at the level of consciousness around 200 or below as per David Hawkin's chart here:

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At that level, as Jenny Wade has stated, one is still operating from the lower chakras and is polarized in the hemispheres of the brain. In Jenny Wade's chart, one reaches authentic consciousness when both hemispheres of the brain are in balance.

https://phulme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/levels-of-consciousness.jpg

As Jenny Wade states in her book "Changes of Mind":
Affiliative consciousness is not all sweetness and light, however. Turning now to what may legitimately be considered drawbacks of right-brain processing, Affiliative people often do not perceive inharmonious elements indicative of negative emotions and difference, particularly anger. . . . They avoid conflict and confrontation. . . Right-brain-dominant people tend to be much less verbal in response to stress then left-brain-dominant people, more prone to deny problems, hold in hostility, and develop an appeasing ‘peace at any price’ approach to personal conflict.

So, not completely satisfactory then. What she feels is better is a balance between the two hemispheres. Achievement Consciousness is the more left-brain mode and is definitely not without its problems either, as its motif is ‘get it while you can’ (page 147). To do this it figures out ‘the “rules of the game” in order to “cut corners”, “play the angles,” increase [its] “odds” and gain an advantage over less able . . . . members.’ Not a prescription for the ideal personality, then, either.

Balancing these two aspects moves the person to the level of Authentic Consciousness (page 157):

Authentic consciousness requires access to the non-dominant hemisphere, but not exchanging one hemisphere’s orientation for the other’s. It is “whole brain” thinking, in which both hemispheres organize consciousness, suggesting some entrainment of EEG patterns across the neocortex.

This level would be indicative of those above the 300 to 500 level on David Hawkin's chart. I would venture that most who visit this thread and who comment, are at this level of consciousness. When one has parity between the hemispheres, then Jenny writes:


The next stage after this is Transcendent consciousness, the last one before Unity consciousness. At this stage the synchrony of the two halves of the brain goes beyond intermittent entrainment (page 198):

During meditation, EEG measurements show that both hemispheres slow from beta level activity to alpha and theta waves. Theta is the characteristic brain wave pattern of long-term meditators. Not only does synchronisation of brain waves occur between hemispheres in advanced states, but this entrainment forms harmonic patterns called hypersynchrony

https://phulme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/waves.jpg

This is where the Siddhis senses and the psychic abilities emerge, and the realms beyond the five physical senses become prevalent. Very few reach this level, and is indicative of 500 or above on David Hawkin's chart. Many of us have what we call "peak" experience where we are able to go into the higher states above 500, but not as full time consciousness.

It all comes down to energy, the ability to hold more of it, husband it, amplify it, and emanate it. Most choose not to because of two factors:

One, our culture sells the dissipation of energy as passion and excitement and feeling good, and we are entrained to believe this is so. Secondly, your "crap" will come up for review, and the resistance to the truth of who you are and what your beliefs are, feels like pain, and we are taught to avoid anything uncomfortable. The energy increase is agitating if you do not face your shadow and come to terms with your discordant beliefs and ideas, and your ego will tell you that it is painful and you should move away from it. You should GO TOWARDS IT if you really want higher mind.

Also, helping us along with this awakening and raising of consciousness, are the universal energies increasing, so in a sense, we are all being forced to face our crap. That is why you see so much trauma/drama around you and why you are being compelled to face your own demons. Once you reach the authentic level and the neocortex is fully engaged, the view is much more spectacular and the trauma/drama ceases.

That's where the detachment from trauma/drama and the pathology of others is released.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbUHxC4wiWk

[greybeard]

Thanks gripreaper, that would have taken time and effort and not a little skill to put your post together.

The early pages of this thread were heavily influenced by the late Dr Hawkins work, in particularly the book
"Discovery of the presence of God/Transcending the ego."
Its all energy and his book "Power vs Force/ The hidden determinates of human behaviour" is an eye opener--Psychology, science and spirituality meet.


Love Chris

[gripreaper]

Thanks gripreaper, that would have taken time and effort and not a little skill to put your post together.

The early pages of this thread were heavily influenced by the late Dr Hawkins work, in particularly the book "Discovery of the presence of God/Transcending the ego."
Its all energy and his book "Power vs Force/ The hidden determinates of human behaviour" is an eye opener--Psychology, science and spirituality meet.


Love Chris

I do recall the early days of this thread and the influence of David Hawkin's seminal works. His thesis truly was groundbreaking in it's implications back when I read "Power v Force" almost 20 years ago now, and I've watched you continually reference his work over the years. I've tried to highlight Jenny Wade's work as a companion to David Hawkin's, as it really is helpful to see where we are in our own evolution, and it also helped me to keep proper context when discussing awakening and enlightenment, being cognizant that not everybody is above the 250 level.

As a matter of fact, David Hawkin's also stated that the collective consciousness is reaching the flash point where more people will soon be above the limbic survival consciousness and move to the authentic levels, and when this happens, great things are in store for earth.

To me, consciousness does not operate in a subjective vacuum, but emanates and vibrates all similar chords no matter what octave they are in. They do vibrate. It is hard for us to imagine how far reaching our very thoughts go out into the matrix and how we affect others, but it is true. Doing the inner work and bringing the discordant energies into balance within ourselves really is how we change the world. Until we reach the authentic stage of the neocortex and rise above the limbic survival state, we are not much help to anybody.

[greybeard]

Yes gripreaper
someone vibrating at the level of 540--un-conditional love, raises the vibration of millions.
The few who are at the top of the scale balance off all those below 200.
Only about 25% of the population are above 200.
Hence all the violence in the world.
It would be a lot worse if it were not for the effort of individuals to raise their personal spiritual vibration.
All that is according to Hawkins.

I see it simpler now.
I just do as best I can to be aware of awareness without agenda of any kind.
If I can do that the rest will just come about through Divine Grace.
Not for me to reason how or why.
Its not an opt out, just cant afford the distraction of thinking what I seem to do makes a difference.
Not easy to write about these things without ego getting in there
Hope that makes sense.

All you do is appreciated gripreaper

Love Chris

[gripreaper]

Yes gripreaper
someone vibrating at the level of 540--un-conditional love, raises the vibration of millions.
The few who are at the top of the scale balance off all those below 200.
Only about 25% of the population are above 200.
Hence all the violence in the world.
It would be a lot worse if it were not for the effort of individuals to raise their personal spiritual vibration.
All that is according to Hawkins.

I see it simpler now.
I just do as best I can to be aware of awareness without agenda of any kind.
If I can do that the rest will just come about through Divine Grace.
Not for me to reason how or why.
Its not an opt out, just cant afford the distraction of thinking what I seem to do makes a difference.
Not easy to write about these things without ego getting in there
Hope that makes sense.

All you do is appreciated gripreaper

Love Chris

Well Chris, if I may be so bold, you appear to have reached the level of authentic consciousness and transcendence, and this thread is a testimony to that! Should I muscle test it?

[greybeard]

Whatever comes to mind for you to do gripreaper that's fine.
There are quite a few on this thread whom I have the greatest respect for.
It was never "my" thread I just started it.
The fact that it is still going and growing is beyond my comprehension.
Its probably down to the quality and energy of the posts of those relatively new here.

Love Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

When Paul Hedderman talks about selfing its not that easy to get until you have heard him a few times.

As I understand, basically he saying that anything that arises, we, a noun, claim ownership of a verb, something that is happening or happened.
It happened to a me.
As part of that you could say that the event is real before the mind gets in there and evaluates colours the experience, so we dont actually get the experience we get our personal take on it. We don't even realise its an interpretation of the event, we dont realise that in a fraction of a second the mind has altered the event to fit our concepts--mind set, the works.

If you can watch without using language then its real.

For example you can see a bird flying--so far so good--then the mind gets in there with --Oh yes its a black bird looks like one I saw here yesterday.
The moment you get into analysis of the event--naming--you are no longer seeing reality--you are in mind, in your filing system.

Perhaps Barry could explain better, he has listened to Paul more than I,

Love Chris

Hi Chris,
You did a great job explaining, maybe a little can be added. When Selfing, I am the center of my universe, everything that happens rotates around me.
All thoughts rotate around me, analyzing/rationalizing how everything affects planet Barry. Paul doesn't mention Ego, but Ego is nothing more than
a thought claimed by the I, Me, or Mine. Problem is thought!!! is part of the problem!!! It is the guarantee that when reality comes close, We will analyze/ rationalized it until
it is claimed for the Self/Ego. Reality will always be dismissed and put off until the future, until
We realize these thoughts of Self/Ego are not Who We are.

A simple little quote from St Francis says it all...."What's looking, is what Your'e looking for"
Another is "it's closer than Your breath"
Reality is what You are and all You will ever be....You're it Period!!!
Humility accepts this, it is not arrogance to accept your true joyful reality.

Love
b

[Meggings]

I post this quote from Seth that someone just sent out. I post because it is an inner personal realization I have come to on my own through years of trying to "erase" myself so as not to offend others by being me.

1975.11.29 (ESP) You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity. Those who say "There is no meaning to my life. Where shall I look?" have become detached from the fountainhead of being, the biological and spiritual fountainhead of being.

The soul is not dead. It is not finished and done with and beyond desire. It is desire! It is vitality so strong that it gives birth to your being and grows you from a dream to a physical reality. That is desire! God is desire! A flower,or a dog or a frog is desire!

[Rich]

That's a fundamental message Meggings. Life is a desire, that's true.

Bashar has said we are neutral beings and that life is meaningless, we are to give it it's meaning.
He also said spiritual growth is a process of inclusion not exclusion. Perhaps spirituality is sometimes used to escape life experiences.

If we do not go to the point of being nothing how can we see our full potential of being everything/anything?

A related post on this subject from a few weeks ago:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=957776#post957776

How did you try to ''erase yourself''?
Do you see a difference between erasing yourself and letting go of identification?

[Wind]

When your heart and mind are searching for the Truth,
you become instantly beautiful.
You un-become the ugly.
Now, you don't need any make-up.
The one who has love for God, or searches for the Truth, becomes beauty itself.
And this company I so love.
We are all here for freedom but many may miss their chance by clinging to the transient.
All are children of God, not step children, not foster-children nor orphans.
We are ever One inside the kingdom of God Himself.
And as we meet, even without speaking and without mind's knowledge, our inner being radiates this unbound peace, love and joy.

~ Mooji

[GarethBKK]

You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity.

Sorry you went through this, Meggings. Losing desire is impossible. As Joey Lott would probably say, try letting go of the desire to not have your head smashed against a wall. Even if you have given up on life and want your head smashed against a wall it is still desire. That some try to forget desire as part of a spiritual path is unfortunate and unnecessary. There is no void. Any attempt to seek one is ego becoming stronger in hiding. Any teaching that points to nihilism has no truth and is misguidance.

In the natural state of enlightenment there is only an unbounded aliveness. This is bliss. God/Self/Consciousness/Awareness is immanent and transcendent. If this is not your experience, what is preventing it?

In Buddha's terms there is neither grasping nor pushing away. Desire is seen for what it is and attachment to it is let go. I would prefer to have more money, but my happiness is not going to depend on it. In this practice of not resisting what already is we eventually come to see the absolute glory of all that is. This is not nihilism, this is transcendence.

It's Vesak Puja (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesak) day. So I'm off to the temple to spend some time feeling grateful and looking into the mirror:

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[Innocent Warrior]

A simple brain gym exercise that balances the two hemispheres of our brain.
For anyone who isn't familiar with cross crawls, you don't have to have your palms facing up when you touch your knee, you can do it by touching your palm to the knee if that's more comfortable.

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Also, if you're sitting down watching a movie or whatever, you can also balance by simply having your ankles and arms crossed. This also helps if you're worried or frustrated about something, let whatever it is go and look at it again while you're in the whole brain posture. This allows us to see it in a balanced state of mind and we can receive a clearer view of the issue.

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[Wind]

"Praise that power which is in everything. To live with a heart of gratitude is the best attitude.

Thank you for the ability to say thank you.

Thank you."

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[Guish]

I post this quote from Seth that someone just sent out. I post because it is an inner personal realization I have come to on my own through years of trying to "erase" myself so as not to offend others by being me.

1975.11.29 (ESP) You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity. Those who say "There is no meaning to my life. Where shall I look?" have become detached from the fountainhead of being, the biological and spiritual fountainhead of being.

The soul is not dead. It is not finished and done with and beyond desire. It is desire! It is vitality so strong that it gives birth to your being and grows you from a dream to a physical reality. That is desire! God is desire! A flower,or a dog or a frog is desire!


The fundamental truth of spirituality is not to try to be anything or change anything. A desire leads to an outcome. If you want to find a good person inside you, you'll find it and the reverse is also true. No desire or no aim leads to discovering a presence which we are. In the that state of bliss, we feel complete and we are full of everything good without us willingly trying to create such phenomenon. Hence, the notion of emptiness is often used as I indeed do feel empty of any want but I find myself peaceful in this state. Emex quoted a conversation we had earlier where we explored how everything comes from the nothing. In my experience, as I became more selfless, better things popped up on their own. I usually say empty yourself and god will find you.

[Guish]

Annoying Emmy with the void again.

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[greybeard]

Awareness/Self, call it what you will---is neutral.
It does not mind.

The discussions here are really "good".

That's a judgement, is it not? laughing

Love Chris

[Guish]

Awareness/Self, call it what you will---is neutral.
It does not mind.

The discussions here are really "good".

That's a judgement, is it not? laughing

Love Chris

Haha, I'm sure we can be in each other's company and not say a word.

[Wind]

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[Innocent Warrior]

Check out what he says, beginning at the four minute mark...woah!

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[Guish]

The soul loves to meditate,
for in contact with the Spirit lies its greatest joy.
If, then you experience mental resistance during meditation,
remember that reluctance to meditate comes from the ego;
it doesn't belong to the soul.
- Paramahansa Yogananda

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Children are natural Zen masters;
their world is brand new in each and every moment.

[Rich]

Found this interview extremely interesting and mind expanding.

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Teal Swan, known to many as ‘The Spiritual Catalyst’ or the ‘Giggling Guide’ was born in Santa Fe, New Mexico on June 16th 1984. She was born with a range of extrasensory abilities including clairvoyance, clairsentience, clairaudience and claircognizance (examples?). Despite her young age, Teal is no stranger to extreme adverse circumstances. During her childhood Teal’s parents (who were both Wilderness Rangers), accepted a job in the Wasatch-Cache National Forest of Utah, unaware of the intensely religious climate of the location. Word of Teal’s unusual abilities got out and were not only frowned upon, but were also feared by many in the local religious community. Teal’s abilities attracted the attention of a family acquaintance who unbeknownst to Teal’s family was struggling with dissociative identity disorder and sociopathy.

When Teal was just six years old, the family acquaintance inducted her into a local cult, and Teal was ritualistically and sexually tortured for a period of thirteen years. Teal managed to escape from the cult when she was nineteen and began her process of recovery and transformation. Since her escape, Teal has become an internationally recognized spiritual leader and a powerful new voice in the field of metaphysics. She now travels the world as a spiritual luminary, using her abilities to remind people of the united, energetic nature of this universe and teaching people how to find bliss in the midst of even the most difficult challenges.

In 2012 Teal founded Teal Eye LLC. Along with an accompanying non-profit called Headway Foundation. The aim of both companies is to catalyze positive world change. The companies will achieve this by investing in programs, organizations and products that will revolutionize societal systems in many areas including justice, technology, education, agriculture and health care. Teal’s vision is to enable everyone on earth to live free, joyous and healthy lives and she is determined to make that vision a reality.

[greybeard]

While it is helpful to be aware that we are not the body, it is also good to realise that the body is the receptacle for our consciousness.
We all have a "personal" vibration and that rises or falls as the case might be.

What Im getting to, is that the frequency/vibration of the enlightened is somewhat higher than pre realisation.
So its good to prepare the body for this as best you can.
Yoga is the tried and tested method, that and meditation.
It helps to have a supple spine for the Kundalini energy to rise without restriction.

This is not absolutely necessary as some awaken without K rising.
Adyashanti in a Sounds true interview spoke of his experience of this, both pre awakening and post awakening.

Meditation and mantra change the nervous system to hold the heightened spiritual energy.
Practising the Micro Cosmic Orbit (breathing energy up the spine and down the front in a loop---up spine with in breath--down the front with out breath)
All this is very health giving and brings peace.
Qui Gong is also good.

I dont do all of this now.

Current practise.
Meditation and prayer ongoing with occasional maytra, the Gayatri and Om Nama Shevia.

Having said all this, listening to Mooji and others may be sufficient to remove obstacles in order that Self Realisation occurs.

Bart Marshall mentioned that nothing works and its as though enlightenment happens by accident-----but you can become more accident prone.

Love Chris

[Wind]

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[Guish]

While it is helpful to be aware that we are not the body, it is also good to realise that the body is the receptacle for our consciousness.
We all have a "personal" vibration and that rises or falls as the case might be.

What Im getting to, is that the frequency/vibration of the enlightened is somewhat higher than pre realisation.
So its good to prepare the body for this as best you can.
Yoga is the tried and tested method, that and meditation.
It helps to have a supple spine for the Kundalini energy to rise without restriction.

This is not absolutely necessary as some awaken without K rising.
Adyashanti in a Sounds true interview spoke of his experience of this, both pre awakening and post awakening.

Meditation and mantra change the nervous system to hold the heightened spiritual energy.
Practising the Micro Cosmic Orbit (breathing energy up the spine and down the front in a loop---up spine with in breath--down the front with out breath)
All this is very health giving and brings peace.
Qui Gong is also good.

I dont do all of this now.

Current practise.
Meditation and prayer ongoing with occasional maytra, the Gayatri and Om Nama Shevia.

Having said all this, listening to Mooji and others may be sufficient to remove obstacles in order that Self Realisation occurs.

Bart Marshall mentioned that nothing works and its as though enlightenment happens by accident-----but you can become more accident prone.

Love Chris

Enlightenment is not an experience as one had to make oneself empty for it to happen. We know we are getting closer when the mind becomes more quiet and more peace is experienced.

[Rich]

I post this quote from Seth that someone just sent out. I post because it is an inner personal realization I have come to on my own through years of trying to "erase" myself so as not to offend others by being me.

1975.11.29 (ESP) You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity. Those who say "There is no meaning to my life. Where shall I look?" have become detached from the fountainhead of being, the biological and spiritual fountainhead of being.

The soul is not dead. It is not finished and done with and beyond desire. It is desire! It is vitality so strong that it gives birth to your being and grows you from a dream to a physical reality. That is desire! God is desire! A flower,or a dog or a frog is desire!


I don't think those teachers mean 'being desireless' in the way Meggings and Seth mean, although I agree it can be misunderstood in such a way.

I think it is meant as being content with what is. Not in opposition of what is, which would only cause suffering.

To be what one Is is bliss and peace, this state of self fulfillment is what they mean by being desireless. To be our true self is the root desire, or more accurately put: it's the only desire, appearing in many different ways to the mind.

Obviously to be in peace and bliss does not mean being stagnant.

To know yourself as fully as you can, is to recognize you already contain everything your mind wants. ~Bashar

He is a real Sannyasi who has burnt desire to ashes. He is the universal teacher. The universe is in those who have renounced desire. ~Nityananda

He who is free from the delusion that he is the body, is nothing but bliss incarnate. ~Nityananda

[Wind]

Don't try to live God.
Let God live you.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

I post this quote from Seth that someone just sent out. I post because it is an inner personal realization I have come to on my own through years of trying to "erase" myself so as not to offend others by being me.

1975.11.29 (ESP) You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity. Those who say "There is no meaning to my life. Where shall I look?" have become detached from the fountainhead of being, the biological and spiritual fountainhead of being.

The soul is not dead. It is not finished and done with and beyond desire. It is desire! It is vitality so strong that it gives birth to your being and grows you from a dream to a physical reality. That is desire! God is desire! A flower,or a dog or a frog is desire!


I don't think those teachers mean 'being desireless' in the way Meggings and Seth mean, although I agree it can be misunderstood in such a way.

I think it is meant as being content with what is. Not in opposition of what is, which would only cause suffering.

To be what one Is is bliss and peace, this state of self fulfillment is what they mean by being desireless. To be our true self is the root desire, or more accurately put: it's the only desire, appearing in many different ways to the mind.

Obviously to be in peace and bliss does not mean being stagnant.

To know yourself as fully as you can, is to recognize you already contain everything your mind wants. ~Bashar

He is a real Sannyasi who has burnt desire to ashes. He is the universal teacher. The universe is in those who have renounced desire. ~Nityananda

He who is free from the delusion that he is the body, is nothing but bliss incarnate. ~Nityananda


It should be noted that one reaches this state after a lot of struggles but once in this state, there's no suffering at all. The enlightened knows that the divine kingdom is inside. I mentioned before that some Zen Masters would be living as beggars because it really doesn't matter what the external conditions are. Peace is inside.

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[Guish]

Besides the noble art of getting things done,
there is the noble art of leaving things undone.
The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials.
- Lin Yutang

[greybeard]

There is no person left to have a desire after enlightenment.
The unenlightened cant get it.
The persona of the enlightened operates just as before.

Adyashanti is clear on this---well as clear as is possible.
He states there never was a person--the one consciousness, in restricted state, is under the delusion that it is a person.

Enlightenment means the removal of ignorance--that is the lack of knowledge of Truth -- that Truth is that there is literally "Only One without a Second"

There seems to be preferences rather than desire and if the preference is not met that is perfectly al lright.

In duality there seems to be someone having a desire.
In order to self realise anything that is identified with is to be released.
As in-- I have a desire for--my desires are that---
Desires also tend to relate to repeat past fulfilment--present and future wants and needs.
Ego can be so subtle--I, me, and mine crop up quietly all the time.

Take this story--A friend says to me. "There was an accident round the corner and a car was damaged."
I express interest.
My friend describes the car and all of a sudden I realise its the car I bought today.
All of a sudden everything changes--Its MY car.
That's not subtle.

I try to be aware every time I’m selfing-- I can express an opinion--if that’s disagreed with and I don’t have an emotional response,, that's fine.
If I have an emotion to the degree I want strongly to prove I'm right--then I have a choice.
I can become aware what's going on--ego reaction-- and just easily let it go---or react.

Its not being a door mat--I can also qualify the opinion disagreed with in a non emotional conversational voice.
If disagreement continues I can just say "Fair enough"
I dont have a desire to prove Im right.
So there you go that's my take on desire and related mater.

Chris

Ps Wear the world like a loose garment.

Be in the world but not of it.

[truthseekerdan]

enlightenment = no attachments whatsoever...

Love = Everything

[Guish]

Great acts are made up of small deeds.
- Lao Tzu

[Wind]

Beloved,
don't be a warrior, just be yourself.

Don’t waste energy preparing for this mind-battle.
You are sharpening your sword
to kill dragons that don’t exist.
The more you think about them,
the more you empower illusions
and become deluded by them.
And then you are compelled to do battle
with an imagined enemy;
one created by your own projection,
arising out of your own fear and
appearing inside your mind alone.
In truth, man can only fight against himself.
So the way is not to fight,
rather, be in the fullness of your Peace
—the Peace that exists before duality arose.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Beloved,
don't be a warrior, just be yourself.

Don’t waste energy preparing for this mind-battle.
You are sharpening your sword
to kill dragons that don’t exist.
The more you think about them,
the more you empower illusions
and become deluded by them.
And then you are compelled to do battle
with an imagined enemy;
one created by your own projection,
arising out of your own fear and
appearing inside your mind alone.
In truth, man can only fight against himself.
So the way is not to fight,
rather, be in the fullness of your Peace
—the Peace that exists before duality arose.

~ Mooji

That's the essence of meditation brother.

[Guish]

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[Wind]

You say you want to get rid of the noise,
but you and the noise go together.
You have to be you without ‘you’ and all noise will stop.
The real You is the formless witness within.
The person, the noisy one, is only imagined.
To recognise this is Freedom.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

You won't be able to receive if you are full
You won't be able to know peace if you're always thinking
you won't be able to understand everyone if you're someone
You won't be able to be happy when others are sad
You won't be able to love when you're in pain

Geerish.

[Guish]

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[Wind]

"The Overself is not merely a transient intellectual abstraction but rather an eternal presence. For those who have awakened to the consciousness of this presence, there is always available its mysterious power and sublime inspiration.

"At some mysterious moment a higher power takes possession of him, dictates his thoughts, words, and acts. Sometimes he is amazed by them, by their difference from what he would normally have thought, spoken, or done."

~ Paul Brunton

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[greybeard]

Conscious TV latest interview

Consciousness - Transformations (loaded 06 June 2015)
Debra Wilkinson - 'Awake And Ready' - Interview by Iain McNay (watch this programme)
Debra was the child of an alcoholic Mother who started seeking because she could not live with her mind's conditioning anymore. She was a mass of anxiety, hurt and plagued by the past and terrified by the future. She started to meditate which helped to lift the heavy energies she had acquired. She developed a very painful nerve condition and learnt to be with the pain. Found that a dreadful curse became a true blessing. She would spend 5 hours a day in meditation and got to the point where, 'I was done.' 'I thought I knew who I was but suddenly I wasn't that anymore. So I sat with it and asked 'Who Am I?' 'Who or what is that?' And the answer came 'I am God!' I realised in that moment I am God in expression and now my mind was free. Now there is just me and God and me knowing that I am God.'

http://conscious.tv/consciousness.html?bcpid=2439355001&bclid=18673093001&bctid=4248954153001

[Wind]

As your mind re-enters your heart,
you are no longer a keeper of identity.
No need to set up an immigration desk for thoughts and feelings.
You become like a land without name, without boundary—limitless.
Like space, you are infinite, complete, immeasurable.
Effortlessly abiding in your own stillness.
Silent in the vast ocean of the Self.
Beyond need or desire.
Perfectly content in the single bliss of Being.

~ Mooji

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[Guish]

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[Innocent Warrior]

There is another me, in another reality, who is aware of me.
This other me created me, by choosing this physical experience.

I was born, and the higher me was now the higher me and me.

I, the human consciousness, forgot I was the higher me.
One stream of consciousness, two states of being, and now two realities; the reality of the higher me, which contained me and my reality, and my reality, the physical experience.

The me who was cut off from the higher me, through forgetting when entering the physical dream, became as a separate consciousness, in a separate reality.
So the higher me could perceive this me, but this me couldn’t perceive the higher me.

The higher me knew this would happen, and therefore had chosen a physical experience, which contained events, that would cause me to become aware of the higher me.

I became aware of the higher me, and grew to understand how it chose this experience, and created me.
The higher me imagined a reality, chose to experience it, fell asleep, and then there was me.

Within the awareness of all that is me, my consciousness is becoming a conduit, through which Source can flow freely.
Allowing the flow gives rise to the higher me, in full awareness, inside the dream.

The higher me is a lucid me, so that’s how I live my dreams.

[Wind]

Recognise the natural silence of your own Self.
Silence is not a behavior.
Silence is not a practice.
It is the natural perfume of being.
Trying to be still is not stillness.
Find that stillness inside, which simply Is.
There is no one to practice it.
It can only be recognised.
It is here.
It is not hiding.
It is not hurried.
Simply stop identifying with the past, future, present
or with any self image.
Be open to being nothing.
No thing. So that internally you are simply like a space.
But this is not an inert space, but a space full of aliveness.
Still don't define yourself as aliveness.
Don't define yourself at all.
Simply remain in natural self-awareness.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

The master Bankei's talks were attended not only by Zen students but by persons of all ranks and sects. He never quoted sutras not indulged in scholastic dissertations. Instead, his words were spoken directly from his heart to the hearts of his listeners.

His large audience angered a priest of the Nichiren sect because the adherents had left to hear about Zen. The self-centered Nichiren priest came to the temple, determined to have a debate with Bankei.

"Hey, Zen teacher!" he called out. "Wait a minute. Whoever respects you will obey what you say, but a man like myself does not respect you. Can you make me obey you?"

"Come up beside me and I will show you," said Bankei.

Proudly the priest pushed his way through the crowd to the teacher.

Bankei smiled. "Come over to my left side."

The priest obeyed.

"No," said Bankei, "we may talk better if you are on the right side. Step over here."

The priest proudly stepped over to the right.

"You see," observed Bankei, "you are obeying me and I think you are a very gentle person. Now sit down and listen."

[greybeard]

Darryl Anka (Bashar) - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview

After experiencing two, close, broad-daylight UFO sightings, Darryl's path led him to become a channel for an extraterrestrial entity called Bashar. Darryl has channeled Bashar internationally for the past 30 years, providing powerful methods by which people can change their lives in positive ways. Bashar's information has been published in over 20 books in the U.S. and Japan and hundreds of CDs and DVDs have been distributed worldwide by April Rochelle, CEO of Bashar Communications.

In addition to his channeling career, Darryl also has over 30 years of experience in miniature effects, storyboards, sets and designs on three Star Trek films, Iron Man, The Aviator, Pirates of the Caribbean 3: At World's End, I Robot, Live Free or Die Hard and Flags of our Fathers among several others. Darryl is now writing, directing and producing his own films, including "Dearly Departed" - a fictional documentary shot as if the crew took a camera into the afterlife and interviewed the spirits of people who've passed on to get their insights on life after death.

Darryl is developing a number of other feature film projects along with his wife and coproducer, Erica Jordan, at their Los Angeles production company, Zia Films, and is
currently going into production with April at Bashar Communications on a documentary
called "First Contact" that chronicles his encounters with Bashar and how the UFO
sightings set him on the path to become a channel.

Books: Bashar: Blueprint for Change : A Message from Our Future Quest for Truth: 100 Insights That Could Change Your Life Dearly Departed Contact Cards: An Extraterrestrial Divination System Tuning In The new meta-physics

Website: bashar.org


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[Wind]

"Until it is brought to his attention, he may not know that the idol at whose feet he is continually worshipping is the ego. If he could give to God the same amount of remembrance that he gives to his ego, he could quite soon attain, and become established in, that enlightenment to which other men devote lifetimes of arduous effort."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Guish]

Be - don't try to become.
Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.
- Osho

[Troy Martin]

Be - don't try to become.
Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.
- Osho

Jesus taught to hunger for truth, to transform yourself from falsehood into truth and that is becoming something you weren't before. A seed becomes a plant.

[greybeard]

Be - don't try to become.
Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.
- Osho

Becoming suggests a journey to a future acquisition and almost adding something you are not already, in modern terms a "bolt on".
All is enlightened just living in ignorance of this--until Self is realised.

Mooji is good---"You are here now"

Thanks Guish you post some short beauties.

Love Chris

[greybeard]

Be - don't try to become.
Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.
- Osho

Jesus taught to hunger for truth, to transform yourself from falsehood into truth and that is becoming something you weren't before. A seed becomes a plant.

Yes that is true too Troy.
The seed needs nourished.
However the Truth would seem to be that nothing you do works (Ultimately you are not the doer--The Father within is)
So enlightenment is a gift--an act of Grace.

There are many paradoxes in spirituality.
If you don't hunger for truth nothing happens--but you cant make it happen.

Good to see you posting here Troy

Chris

[Wind]

HeGi5jKri1Y

[Guish]

Be - don't try to become.
Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.
- Osho

Jesus taught to hunger for truth, to transform yourself from falsehood into truth and that is becoming something you weren't before. A seed becomes a plant.

I have a Friend who is a priest and he believes the same thing. Our true self is perfect and pure. Look at small children. They are very happy and free from any social conditioning. Hate, greed or any other aspects of false self aren't experienced at a tender age. Becoming is an illusion. In fact, you cease to be. For example, you realise you are not your thoughts, not your name and not your social status. With time, you realise you are nothing. It's not a transformation. It's knowing your real self. You have to know who you are not to be aware of who you are.

[Guish]

More short quotes for Chris.

When you are eating, eat totally -
chew totally, taste totally, smell totally.
Touch your bread, feel the texture.
Smell the bread, smell the flavor.
Chew it, let it dissolve into your being,
and remain conscious - and you are meditating.
And then meditation is not separate from life.
- Osho

[Wind]

That's very well said, Guish.

"What am I? is such an ancient and perennial question only because it has to be answered by each individual for himself. If he finds the true answer, he will find also that he cannot really transfer it to another person but only its idea, its mental shadow. That too may be valuable to others, but it is not the same."

"Ordinary meditation exercises aim in their earlier phases at rendering the mind concentrated and undistracted, and in their higher phases at resting in the Spiritual Self or in God--which usually means in a concept of God. Philosophic meditation exercises do this too but refuse to stop with a concept and seek to exclude all preconceptions from the mystical experience. They go farther still because they also expand the aim into contemplation of the infinity of being, the universality of consciousness, and the illusoriness of ego."

"... When Buddha brought to an end the meditation which culminated in final enlightenment, dawn was just breaking."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Guish]

The Zen Master Hoshin lived in China many years. Then he returned to the northeastern part of Japan, where he taught his disciples. When he was getting very old, he told them a story he had heard in China. This is the story:

One year on the twenty-fifth of December, Tokufu, who was very old, said to his disciples: "I am not going to be alive next year so you fellows should treat me well this year."

The pupils thought he was joking, but since he was a great-hearted teacher each of them in turn treated him to a feast on succeeding days of the departing year.

On the eve of the new year, Tokufu concluded: "You have been good to me. I shall leave tomorrow afternoon when the snow has stopped."

The disciples laughed, thinking he was aging and talking nonsense since the night was clear and without snow. But at midnight snow began to fall, and the next day they did not find their teacher about. They went to the meditation hall. There he had passed on.

Hoshin, who related this story, told his disciples: "It is not necessary for a Zen master to predict his passing, but if he really wishes to do so, he can."

"Can you?" someone asked.

"Yes," answered Hoshin. "I will show you what I can do seven days from now."

None of the disciples believed him, and most of them had even forgotten the conversation when Hoshin called them together.

"Seven days ago," he remarked, "I said I was going to leave you. It is customary to write a farewell poem, but I am neither a poet or a calligrapher. Let one of you inscribe my last words."

His followers thought he was joking, but one of them started to write.

"Are you ready?" Hoshin asked.

"Yes sir," replied the writer.

Then Hoshin dictated:

I came from brillancy
And return to brillancy.
What is this?

This line was one line short of the customary four, so the disciple said: "Master, we are one line short."

Hoshin, with the roar of a conquering lion, shouted "Kaa!" and was gone.

[greybeard]

Here you are Guish.

"Food is God--don't waste it!

That and other short, dont waste it, statements were on the walls of the food hall of an ashram I visited.

In short "Only God is"

I like the long stories too Guish--keep them coming.

The thread now has on average over three thousand guests a week.

This pleases me for one reason--more people are interested in reading about Truth.
I suspect/hope, the collective consciousness is rising,

Love to all who post here

Love Chris

[Troy Martin]

Be - don't try to become.
Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.
- Osho

Jesus taught to hunger for truth, to transform yourself from falsehood into truth and that is becoming something you weren't before. A seed becomes a plant.

I have a Friend who is a priest and he believes the same thing. Our true self is perfect and pure. Look at small children. They are very happy and free from any social conditioning. Hate, greed or any other aspects of false self aren't experienced at a tender age. Becoming is an illusion. In fact, you cease to be. For example, you realise you are not your thoughts, not your name and not your social status. With time, you realize you are nothing. It's not a transformation. It's knowing your real self. You have to know who you are not to be aware of who you are.

I disagree with most of the teachings of enlightenment primarily because they totally ignore the existence of the soul and act as if the mind/spirit body is the soul. The soul contains your memories and the anatomy of a memory contains a belief in so that every memory has an associated belief with it. Each experience creates a new memory/information module (I suppose you could call it) and so the totality of your soul consistently grows as it accumulates memories. Those memories are not in the mind. A memory that has a false belief associated with it is the source of all suffering. To transform it back into truth is to resolve the suffering but that doesn't make the memory disappear. Transforming the belief makes your behaviors and choices change where they are based in sanity. So when people become enlightened they don't disappear from existence. If we were truly nothing then to become "enlightened" is to essentially cease to exist, to commit suicide, and that doesn't have any realistic logic to that theory because we know we don't ever cease to exist. To become enlightened in the real sense we only need to transform our beliefs back into a state of truth (if you understand the temporal physics and anatomy of what you may call Karma) and this alters or changes (aka becomes) the soul into a state or condition of bliss vs. suffering and this allows for the dimensionally split consciousness to reintegrate back into a state of oneness, where each dimensional body's will is identical to the other body. When this is achieved, we've become enlightened which is really to return to our original condition or state prior to having been infected with false beliefs. So you were perfect (without false beliefs because you had none in the beginning), were damaged by false beliefs and became perfect again. If you cannot become and we do not grow then nothing would ever change but change is an absolute truth about the nature of our existence and the universe so we know that's not a truth. And once you do become enlightened you can continue to grow into something more than what you are. That would be higher teachings. In order to become anything you only have to have gone through a change of any kind. Part of you dies when you change and part of you is reborn and that reborn part is what you become.

[Innocent Warrior]

I seek the source of my being and sense a stillness.
Energy pours from this stillness.
My form is the manifested form of this energy.
I cannot see past the energy and feel resistance when I try.
I decide to feel the source and close my eyes.
I watch the darkness.
Images and sounds emerge.
And I realise.
I am being as the source.
Energy arises from me and forms.
And I realise.
I can feel the source.
I can feel the stillness.
Because I am the stillness.
It's the same stillness.
I open my eyes.
I watch the form.
Emerging from the source.

[greybeard]

For me spiritual language/terminology can be confusing.
Ramana Maharshi and others say there is only One soul.
Ive come to the conclusion that the words dont matter that much---the essence does but even then all I have to do is find the answer to the question "Who am I?" That who is no where to be found.

Love Chris

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Guish]

Be - don't try to become.
Being is enlightenment, becoming is ignorance.
- Osho

Jesus taught to hunger for truth, to transform yourself from falsehood into truth and that is becoming something you weren't before. A seed becomes a plant.

I have a Friend who is a priest and he believes the same thing. Our true self is perfect and pure. Look at small children. They are very happy and free from any social conditioning. Hate, greed or any other aspects of false self aren't experienced at a tender age. Becoming is an illusion. In fact, you cease to be. For example, you realise you are not your thoughts, not your name and not your social status. With time, you realize you are nothing. It's not a transformation. It's knowing your real self. You have to know who you are not to be aware of who you are.

I disagree with most of the teachings of enlightenment primarily because they totally ignore the existence of the soul and act as if the mind/spirit body is the soul. The soul contains your memories and the anatomy of a memory contains a belief in so that every memory has an associated belief with it. Each experience creates a new memory/information module (I suppose you could call it) and so the totality of your soul consistently grows as it accumulates memories. Those memories are not in the mind. A memory that has a false belief associated with it is the source of all suffering. To transform it back into truth is to resolve the suffering but that doesn't make the memory disappear. Transforming the belief makes your behaviors and choices change where they are based in sanity. So when people become enlightened they don't disappear from existence. If we were truly nothing then to become "enlightened" is to essentially cease to exist, to commit suicide, and that doesn't have any realistic logic to that theory because we know we don't ever cease to exist. To become enlightened in the real sense we only need to transform our beliefs back into a state of truth (if you understand the temporal physics and anatomy of what you may call Karma) and this alters or changes (aka becomes) the soul into a state or condition of bliss vs. suffering and this allows for the dimensionally split consciousness to reintegrate back into a state of oneness, where each dimensional body's will is identical to the other body. When this is achieved, we've become enlightened which is really to return to our original condition or state prior to having been infected with false beliefs. So you were perfect (without false beliefs because you had none in the beginning), were damaged by false beliefs and became perfect again. If you cannot become and we do not grow then nothing would ever change but change is an absolute truth about the nature of our existence and the universe so we know that's not a truth. And once you do become enlightened you can continue to grow into something more than what you are. That would be higher teachings. In order to become anything you only have to have gone through a change of any kind. Part of you dies when you change and part of you is reborn and that reborn part is what you become.

There has been a long discussion on nothingness in TH's thread. You'd like to go there. Nothingness relates to vastness. From the nothingness, there is an infinite number of possibilities. Basically, we are all possibilities. We are all pure consciousness but got entangled with matter. The transformation process or evolution is actually a disentanglement process where people start realising their true nature and are getting back to the pure consciousness. When you are operating from the "self", all actions are selfless and contribute to a higher cause. The actions are not based on beliefs, right/wrong.

[Troy Martin]

For me spiritual language/terminology can be confusing.
Ramana Maharshi and others say there is only One soul.
Ive come to the conclusion that the words dont matter that much---the essence does but even then all I have to do is find the answer to the question "Who am I?" That who is no where to be found.

Love Chris

Or perhaps that part of you hasn't been found or discovered yet. As newborn babies, they are not self aware of what they are as a baby/homo sapien, not knowing that they have a beating heart, eyes, hands, etc. I believe we are the same as souls, once we grow up physically, we are not self-aware as what we are as souls and how it operates, but that doesn't mean we don't exist or that we're nothing. More experience and experimentation is necessary. It is my personal understanding that the soul does not exist in the universe and that anything in the universe, made of energy/light, cannot see anything outside of itself, which is one possible explanation as to why people say "we are nothing" or that they cannot find the actual body of what we truly are. I feel that many who teach use this kind of terminology from a perspective vs. absolute truth kind of like how a black hole is black, not because it is black but because it cannot be seen from the physical body or mind's eye. So is true with the soul, I feel.

[greybeard]

The purpose of Self Enquiry(Who am I?) as set out by Ramana Maharshi was for the devotee to find that the me could not be found--non existent.
Through this questioning the aspirant had a realisation of the True nature--wordless, direct understanding/awakening --everything that was not Self, as in Self realisation, was seen to be not true. Bit like neity neity --not this not this. What is left is One without a second.

Love Chris

[Meggings]

I met Abdy Electriciteh and was immediately taken by him. Love recognized love. He wrote this a few days ago:

"The most important tasks are not the ones that can be prioritised. They are the ones that consume our attention.

"Our attention creates an impact on our reality and the reality of others. When someone or something needs to be impacted, it draws us to attend to that something less logical or practical. When I go deeper, I realize that everybody’s life is just about that. Our souls direct us to attend what we need to attend, regardless of the degree of importance that our mind has categorised it with. There are so many belief systems regarding why you are where you are in life. You are simply where you are to channel your attention to where it is needed. The journey of your life is designed by your soul path, and you are just attending it."

A slightly odd coincidence is that I wrote to my daughter yesterday about attention, and how it connected her to me. Nothing is ever by accident; all makes a perfect wholeness.

[Wind]

You say, 'On one hand, I am not anymore a person.
On the other hand,' you say, 'I am also not yet fully established as the Self.'
Now you ask what to do.
I say: Don't touch any hand, neither left nor right.
Even the highest mind within the realm of phenomenon, the sattvic mind, don't touch it.
Don't contact even 'I' and tell me what remains?

~ Mooji

[Rich]

So many interesting posts but not much time on my hand to contemplate it all.

Innocent Warrior;
what impact has knowing your higher self made on you and your life?

Troy; good point, now that you mention I notice that the advaita teachers don't seem to talk about soul or higher self or maybe even deny their existance. There are enlightened ones who do speak about the higher aspects thou.

cryptoguru; I would like to hear of your meditation technique, I too mostly use the neutral meditation nowadays.



It is my personal understanding that the soul does not exist in the universe and that anything in the universe, made of energy/light, cannot see anything outside of itself, which is one possible explanation as to why people say "we are nothing" or that they cannot find the actual body of what we truly are.
I was thinking the same thing maybe nothingness is only nothing to a human because it cannot be touched or understood by the human consciousness. The question could be asked ''what am I beyond this dream?'' but apparently the higher self wants to experience this so there is no point of denying the dreamer IMO but to dive into the experience the higher self has planned for us.

IMO nothingness or void must still exist but not in opposition to existence, so in a sense you could say it is not nothing, but at the same time it has to be since only that which has no quality can contain everything.

[Rich]

The purpose of Self Enquiry(Who am I?) as set out by Ramana Maharshi was for the devotee to find that the me could not be found--non existent.

Even if you say something does not exist you must have an idea what that something is.
If someone says the me is nonexistent they must point to a me that does not exist, there must be an idea about it.
We already discussed this but that's how my question arose.

[greybeard]

The purpose of Self Enquiry(Who am I?) as set out by Ramana Maharshi was for the devotee to find that the me could not be found--non existent.

Even if you say something does not exist you must have an idea what that something is.
If someone says the me is nonexistent they must point to a me that does not exist, there must be an idea about it.
We already discussed this but that's how my question arose.
Hi Em Ex
Yes its an idea laughing.
The me idea is changing all the time is unsubstantial.
The will of the wisp.
The ego needs all kind of things to claim existence--the story of me.
"Events happen, deeds are done, there is no doer there of"
So when all that is identified with is no longer there what remains?
Why--you do!!!
The Self.

The essence is in Wind's most recent Mooji post.

Love Chris
.

[greybeard]

AnitaMoorjani


Unconditional Love



After a hectic time of traveling, and moving from Hong Kong to the US, I am finally settled down in my new home in California. I'm sorry I've been away for so long, but I'd like to get back to answering questions from some of my lovely readers, in the form of a newsletter. This week, I'd like to respond to the following questions:

QUESTION: I'd like to know whether you can reproduce the state of unconditional love you encountered during your NDE, and if so, is there any special technique that you use to recreate that state?

Anita: For me, reproducing that state is easier when I'm alone.

So I can actually stay in that state for long periods of time when I'm out in nature or when I'm living somewhere where it is reasonably quiet and I can view the ocean or if I'm at home alone. There can also be periods of time when I'm not completely alone, yet I don't need to deal with things like business, money and time. Things that really ground us in life can bring me out of that state.

Let me see if I can explain this a little better. In other words, I can recreate this state and I can stay in this state for long periods of time when I'm fully engaged with something I find interesting...like when I'm writing or when I'm creating material for my workshops.

But, as soon as life starts to challenge me—like when I have to go to the city and have to deal with the public transport system—then it's hard to be in that state. And, if somebody says "Oh you better watch your wallet, there are many pickpockets around here," then suddenly I have to become very cautious and watch my surroundings and look out for pickpockets, you know, get into what we sometimes call the negative sides of life. That's when I lose that all-encompassing feeling of love.

When I have to think about things like money and I have to pay the rent, and we have to make sure that we get the work we want, or we have to move ourselves from one place to another…or when trying to get somewhere on time and I become aware of "Oh my God I'm late", or when I'm in a rush and stuck in traffic…all these things are the "real" world. It's what we call "normal life." And "real life," unfortunately, does not seem conducive to being in that state of unconditional love that was so overwhelming to me and other NDErs.

Yet, normal life is when we need a sense of love the most. But it's hard to maintain. All these kinds of things pull me out of that state, that state of unconditional love that is really a magical space. Sadly, "normal life" is the way we have set up our societies and cultures. Most of us have to go to work; we have to be there on time, we have to finish our projects before we can go home from work. We are constantly in a state of stress. We have to get home, we have to cook, we have to take care of our families, and so we are constantly stressed out trying to beat the clock, trying to earn money, trying to watch what we have. All this puts us in a state of anxiety and fear. This fear is: "What if I don't make enough money?" "What if I don't get to work on time?" What if I don't get this project done in time?" Fear and anxiety let us know we are out of the state of unconditional love.

Question: Can you explain more about the technique to get in this state of love?

Anita: My technique means that I live in this world but not of this world. It means to actually live in a way where I don't have to deal with lots of the activities and tasks many other people find indispensable. So when I find myself stuck in a negative mindset, and feeling stressed out and anxious, then I remind myself: I always have the option to work at something else. I have the choice of where to live, the choice of who to have as friends, the choice of when and where to shop, and so on. If only we made all those choices out of love instead of out of fear, it would make a huge difference in our life.

There is only one reason to do anything in this life, and this one reason is love. Any other reason for doing something means living outside the state of unconditional love. So since my near-death experience, my task has been to constantly be in that state of unconditional love.

When I came out of my NDE, I knew that every decision I would make from then on had to be made out of love. What I have done in these past few years since my near-death experience is to remove myself, as much and as often as possible, from any situation where I have to go to work every day at a job I hate, or sit in an office, or commute, or wait in traffic, or do anything else that I hate doing. I have removed myself from what we call the rat race. When we follow the rat race we definitely fall out of that love space, that NDE space I experienced. Nothing will make me do loveless things again. No matter how much money is offered, nothing will make me go back into that life because it kills you inside. That's my technique, if you can call it a technique.

Until next time, I send you much love and big hugs!

Anita


First some news that has everybody buzzing! Dying To Be Me is coming to a big screen near you! The legendary producer, Ridley Scott (Blade Runner, Gladiator, Thelma and Louise, etc.) has teamed up with Giannina Facio and Colet Abedi to purchase the rights to the book, which will be produced as a full length feature movie! The ink on the contract is barely dry and the wheels behind the scenes are churning with scriptwriters, directors, studios, etc, having conversations about the thousands of elements that go into making a multi-million dollar movie. We at Anita's Team are thrilled that the lessons she brought back about self-love, living fearlessly, and remembering your magnificence, will soon be shared with moviegoers throughout the world! (And more than a few conversations are taking place about which famous star should play Anita. Natalie Portman seems to be the team favorite!)

[greybeard]

This meditation has a lot of information and relates to quite a few points raised recently on this thread.
Its very specific.
Love Chris


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[truthseekerdan]

So many interesting posts but not much time on my hand to contemplate it all.

Innocent Warrior;
what impact has knowing your higher self made on you and your life?

Troy; good point, now that you mention I notice that the advaita teachers don't seem to talk about soul or higher self or maybe even deny their existance. There are enlightened ones whyo do speak about the higher aspects thou.

cryptoguru; I would like to hear of your meditation technique, I too mostly use the neutral meditation nowadays.



It is my personal understanding that the soul does not exist in the universe and that anything in the universe, made of energy/light, cannot see anything outside of itself, which is one possible explanation as to why people say "we are nothing" or that they cannot find the actual body of what we truly are.
I was thinking the same thing maybe nothingness is only nothing to a human because it cannot be touched or understood by the human consciousness. The question could be asked ''what am I beyond this dream?'' but apparently the higher self wants to experience this so there is no point of denying the dreamer IMO but to dive into the experience the higher self has planned for us.

IMO nothingness or void must still exist but not in opposition to existence, so in a sense you could say it is not nothing, but at the same time it has to be since only that which has no quality can contain everything.

This might help understand with the "human mind" some concepts and ideas... Enjoy! 💜

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[Guish]

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[Wind]

You're always sitting at the feet of God. You're always sitting at the Heart of God. It's all Him.
He baptised the mind, took it out of its seat of delusion, awakened it to the supreme.
This is how I want to talk about my father.

~ Mooji

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A Buddha

In Tokyo in the Meiji era there lived two prominent teachers of opposite characteristics. One, Unsho, an instructor in Shingon, kept Buddha's precepts scrupulously. He never drank intoxicants, nor did he eat after eleven o'clock in the morning. The other teacher, Tanzan, a professor of philosophy at the Imperial University, never observed the precepts. Whenever he felt like eating, he ate, and when he felt like sleeping in the daytime he slept.

One day Unsho visited Tanzan, who was drinking wine at the time, not even a drop of which is suppposed to touch the tongue of a Buddhist.

"Hello, brother," Tanzan greeted him. "Won't you have a drink?"

"I never drink!" exclaimed Unsho solemnly.

"One who does not drink is not even human," said Tanzan.

"Do you mean to call me inhuman just because I do not indulge in intoxicating liquids!" exclaimed Unsho in anger. "Then if I am not human, what am I?"

"A Buddha," answered Tanzan.

[Wind]

You have not acknowledged your Presence.
You made your well feel dry, and you rely now on logic and rationality,
which are limited forces within you.
You must own your Self, love your Self, because by loving your Self,
your power returns and you find your well is no longer dry.
When this power is revived in you again,
all powers you need come spontaneously into play again.

There is a bush found in the desert.
They call it a desert rose.
It is dry just like tumbleweed,
but if you spray water on it and put it into a moist place,
it becomes the most beautiful flower.
Your Heart can seem dry, but it is never dead.
It is only dry when you turn your attention
towards your mind and your person.
That is the quickest way to dry up.
And when you become dry like that,
you don't attract the beautiful things of this world.

Quickly you must find God, but you must also proof your worth.
You always have this power, but you must honour it.
It never left you; it is you who seem to leave it,
even though it cannot leave you, for you are One wholeness.
You, the 'person', are trying to work things out with your own mind,
but the personal mind is totally inadequate to perceive the things of heaven.
It is just not enough, always falling short.
What I am pointing to now is never too late to see,
but you must turn to your Heart again.
You must turn and cry and moisten your Heart again
so that the Lord's flower opens inside you.
Too much thinking. Too much person.
Your well, which is the spring of life, seems to have dried but it is not dead.
But it seems difficult to bring things across to you.
It is as though you are ignoring me.
Jesus said to some of the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees,
the religious authorities of the day: 'You sieve out a flea, yet you swallow a camel,
'meaning that you pay attention to tiny, stupid things, but the big things you miss altogether.

The big thing is You.
You are missing from You.
You are the main thing missing from your life.
You think other things are missing but it is You that is missing.
Don't avoid your Self.
The whole word suffers because we avoid our Self.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

Conscious TV Latest interview.

http://www.conscious.tv/

Consciousness - Transformations (loaded 12 June 2015)
Heath Thompson - 'Returning To The Source Is Stillness' - Interview by Iain McNay (watch this programme)

http://conscious.tv/consciousness.html?bcpid=2439355001&bclid=18673093001&bctid=4291498717001

Heath's spirituality began by joining a Buddhist practice under the teachings of the Vietnamese Zen monk Thich Nhat Hahn. He joined a two-year distance learning course called Foundation of Buddhism but quit believing that if there is an Absolute Truth it would be simple and not require academic discussion to find it. His Realisation occurred over two, perhaps three 'moments'; the first happened the day he quit the course, 'I was sitting in the garden absent-mindedly watching bees and insects flying around while drinking tea and I suddenly noticed a feeling appear in my stomach that vanished the moment I witnessed it, and an inner voice said to me "you will never feel that again." So he decided to simply sit without a real reason and just be silent and see if it returns - and it did, long enough for him to realise what was being expressed; an endless pool of stillness. 'My life totally changed a month later when getting out of bed I glanced through the window at the sky and saw, felt, heard the same Presence I had felt on the inside and I knew at once all is One, there is no inside or outside, no here or there, no birth or death, nowhere to go, nothing to do - all is as it is. I laughed at myself for even though I suspected the Truth to be simple I had not expected it to be ablaze wherever I looked. This happened in October 2009 and I spent until February 2011 feeling unable to express what I knew as my sangha had people with over 20 years experience of practice who didn't like my attempts to question some of the teachings. In the end I decided to leave and spend my time learning from nature.'

[Innocent Warrior]

Innocent Warrior;
what impact has knowing your higher self made on you and your life?

A lot less fearful. Expanded awareness. Accelerating rate of expansion. Losing interest in seeking, becoming more interested in just being me and experiencing. I'm still curious but it's becoming a discovering, instead of searching. I'm progressing with doing a job I believe in. I think it might also have something to do with an increase in paranormal experiences. Pretty sure it's doing something to the veil, like shining through it and it manifests as paranormal. Like a couple of nights ago, a bright white light just manifested/burst into my room and then disappeared. I was sitting on my bed with the lights off, wild. The nature of the paranormal stuff indicates it's an effect but I'm not sure. There's a lot I don't understand.

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Innocent Warrior]

There is a simple explanation to all paranormal events and entities.

We all exist in parallel universes,with each individual existing spiritually in it's own self created universe at the time of conception of consciousness.

Our mortal body is however completely unaware of this and this includes our brain and mind and we fathom living in a unified universe.

Once a person is able to awaken their spiritual self and become a "neu spirit", they do not need a body or a material object to feel conscious and are not trapped in their individual self created universe.

Those entities that have mastered the way to become a "neu spirit" can appear and disappear in any dimension, space time or the universe of another entity and spiritually less developed entities such as ourselves attribute these events as paranormal and it seems all exciting or horrific to some.

I have experienced this and anyone can experience this. I have also confirmed the scientific and rational reasoning behind this and hence for me most paranormal events are attributed to "neu spirits" with the except that are created as a result of our brain hallucinating.

If you want to learn more and experience this feel free to join and explore the neu energy spiritual science where I have posted a wealth of information.

Also feel free to ask any other questions you may have.

Love and Peace



Innocent Warrior;
what impact has knowing your higher self made on you and your life?

A lot less fearful. Expanded awareness. Accelerating rate of expansion. Losing interest in seeking, becoming more interested in just being me and experiencing. I'm still curious but it's becoming a discovering, instead of searching. I'm progressing with doing a job I believe in. I think it might also have something to do with an increase in paranormal experiences. Pretty sure it's doing something to the veil, like shining through it and it manifests as paranormal. Like a couple of nights ago, a bright white light just manifested/burst into my room and then disappeared. I was sitting on my bed with the lights off, wild. The nature of the paranormal stuff indicates it's an effect but I'm not sure. There's a lot I don't understand.

Interesting, thanks.

I'm connecting an increase in paranormal experiences with an increased awareness, hence ability to perceive it. So not so much that I'm having them, more that they've increased. Like I said, the nature of them seems like an effect but I don't know anything about the neu spririts you write of, so I can't say. Even events like the light in my environment abruptly shifting from gold to blue and then shifting back after a couple of minutes could be seen as an effect of neu spirits I suppose.

[Guish]

I discovered my path in an ashram in India when engaged in "Silent Meditation". And it was simple and straight forward I could not believe it would work.

Most people love to meditate for hours, I did not require to meditate more than 7 minutes everyday.

What is important though is the importance one gives to every infinitesimally small fraction of a second as it is an universe in itself.



Very true. However, the number of minutes required for the mind to calm down is proportional to the amount of mental distortion or level of consciousness one experiences. The more detached one is, easier it is to be in bliss. Any activity can be done with a meditative mind.

[greybeard]

Progress can be measured by how quiet the mind is.

The video "Remain as you are" may be a meditation but you can just listen to it, as phenomena is covered and many other things of interest.

It comes back to what is aware of the event.--The event can not happen without awareness,
You are within the Universe and the Universe is within you.
The video is worth taking the time to listen to several times, each time I have I hear something I did not notice before.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IdtGGVUmmA

[Innocent Warrior]

Progress can be measured by how quiet the mind is.

The video "Remain as you are" may be a meditation but you can just listen to it, as phenomena is covered and many other things of interest.

It comes back to what is aware of the event.--The event can not happen without awareness,
You are within the Universe and the Universe is within you.
The video is worth taking the time to listen to several times, each time I have I hear something I did not notice before.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IdtGGVUmmA

Very powerful, thank you.

[greybeard]

Light appearing within and without can be seen as an encouragement and can result in an illumined consciousness.
As long as one does not go into ego mind as being special, because the thought comes that this is happening to a personal me.
The light is there because you are the awareness.
It is a manifestation in consciousness by consciousness, which is a step down from awareness.
Awareness is not moving-- does not do anything--everything happens within it.

Love Chris

[greybeard]

Paraphrasing Mooji
"If God is infinite He must be here now.
How can he escape from here? "

That brought a big smile to this face.
How can God escape from me?
He is locked in my heart

With Love
Chris

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Rich]

Chris... Mooji tells you to go to awareness and stop there he does not tell you to go beyond it.

Maybe you will find this video of interest it explains why everything is a concept
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[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Rich]

To become detached, one has to detach from the material lifestyle and engage in a neutral lifestyle that does not require to do anything positive or negative, willingly or unwillingly.

Denying the physical life does not lead to detachment, in fact it can lead into the opposite, the nothing is not opposed to the everything as I already mentioned previously.

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[greybeard]

Chris,

Forgive me if my question seems to be from an ignorant mind.

When you say "God is locked in my heart" does it mean God escapes when your heart stops working?

Also,if God is locked in our hearts, then why some of us engage in such negative actions and thoughts and cause misery to our own and others around us.

God being a symbol of positive energy should only bring out positive attributes with us.

I believe the minute we depend on an external entity such as God to delivery us our spiritual attributes, we fail ourselves in realizing our own potential as a source of infinite energy.

Once again, forgive me if my question seems that from an ignorant mind and if you can please offer me an answer to my question.







Paraphrasing Mooji
"If God is infinite He must be here now.
How can he escape from here? "

That brought a big smile to this face.
How can God escape from me?
He is locked in my heart

With Love
Chris

God is in the spiritual heart of everyone cryptoguru-- Ramana said that's located to the right of physical heart.
That God is within all is not known to all.
We are fortunate to be called to investigate--to look for the Self within.

While we are in duality then there is the contrast of good and evil.
Duality is also known as the play of consciousness.
When we realise Self then non-duality is seen to be the case.

With the death of my small self/ego or the body dies then there is the realisation that God, which is what we are, is omnipresent, that's is everywhere not just within the heart.

Religion teaches that God is out there in heaven waiting to judge us.
That is in spite of Jesus being quite clear that the Father and I are One and that the Father is within.
That is why the "search" for enlightenment is based on meditation--contemplation.

The true master does not teach but points to the Truth within.
Teacher implies teacher and student--which does not point to One without a second.

It is helpful to listen to teaching which flows through the form of a master but he is not the teacher Self is.
There is only Self.

It takes time to get your head around this---ego resists.

The reality is as you have said, we are infinite energy and that is God
God is not a separate entity.

When I said God is locked in my heart I did not mean it literally--I meant He is the Love of my life.
That is the love of SELF.

Love Chris

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Meggings]

A dear friend just sent me these links.
I listened and find them very good, thus I share them here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkz6kPOGYKU&list=PL3658937435976928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFnYsf5PGWg&list=PLF90ACE7561D0BEDA

Both these short YouTubes resonate with me and give clear simple understandings. Some here may enjoy them as well.

Having never heard of this British gentleman, I went further and found this:


In Josephs own words:- My reason for coming back - my reason for contacting the Earth plane again - is a simple one: I care. Hundreds, thousands, millions like me care and we are worried. Things cannot continue in your world as they are. You are still killing each other; you are strangling the planet, and you are ignoring your spirituality your Source. You are dreamers and you dont know it. You are tied into the dream to the extent that you have forgotten your heritage. My intention is to turn things on their heads, to bring an argument for Light into the darkness and to give you some indication of your abilities as a child of God. You are being given knowledge which will change your view point, forever.

For more information on Joseph and his teachings visit:
www.josephspeaks.com

EDIT: Just going back to relisten to one of the "Joseph" YouTubes, I was surprised to find that what got linked to above is not what I'd listened to earlier. This is the one I'd so enjoyed, along with a few quotes from it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwRjuNvTTkE&index=2&list=PL3658937435976928

(around 7 minute mark)
If you want things to change, they will not change via the ballot box. They will not change via the rifle and the sword. They will not change through physical revolution. they will only change through spiritual revolution.
...
Slowly you will invest every single action and thought with Light. You will retreat from those thoughts that are argumentative that seek a difference in people rather than the seeing we are the same in light, in brotherhood, in creation.

[Guish]

I too thought meditation would give detachment. Not necessarily so. Calming down is different from becoming "nothing", feeling "nothing", engaged only in connecting with your "neu" or "inner spirit".

To become detached, one has to detach from the material lifestyle and engage in a neutral lifestyle that does not require to do anything positive or negative, willingly or unwillingly.

Once you have reached this "neu" state of consciousness, one can reach the state of "nothingness" wherein even if there is an earthquake you will not be moved and continue meditating.







I discovered my path in an ashram in India when engaged in "Silent Meditation". And it was simple and straight forward I could not believe it would work.

Most people love to meditate for hours, I did not require to meditate more than 7 minutes everyday.

What is important though is the importance one gives to every infinitesimally small fraction of a second as it is an universe in itself.



Very true. However, the number of minutes required for the mind to calm down is proportional to the amount of mental distortion or level of consciousness one experiences. The more detached one is, easier it is to be in bliss. Any activity can be done with a meditative mind.

I like what you say. If nothing/void is not realised, the meditation hasn't been deep enough yet. Equanimity in all actions was taught by Krishna and this is a way of achieving the middle way taught by Buddha. I am saying taught but these things are realised and not learnt.

[greybeard]

Yes Guish the middle way which I know little of except that it teaches neither attraction or revulsion---a neutral acceptance of what is.

Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

"To define yourself is to confine yourself." ~ Mooji

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[Wind]

"To look steadily at Nature's own artwork for a while--be it mountain, valley, or moving waves --
with growing deep feeling until the self is forgotten, is also a yoga practice.

"It is true that God dwells in no particular Nature-made place, no special kind of man-made buildings, being everywhere yet nowhere. But it is also true that in certain places and buildings one can retire more deeply into one's own heart, and thus feel more closely God's ever-presence there."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Guish]

I confess that there is nothing to teach:
no religion, no science, no writings
which will lead your mind back to Spirit.
Today I speak this way, tomorrow that,
but always the Path is beyond words and beyond mind.
- Lao Tzu

[Rich]

In A Course in Miracles, the Real World is equated with the State of Enlightenment. It is a state of mind that is an actual experience, resulting from an acceptance of our Self as a pure Creation of a Loving God. The Course offers a very direct and radical path towards Awakening to this Truth, which involves releasing the belief in separation.
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Excerpt from lesson 132

There is no world apart from what you wish, and herein lies your ultimate release. Change but your mind on what you want to see, and all the world must change accordingly. Ideas leave not their source. This central theme is often stated in the text, and must be borne in mind if you would understand the lesson for today. It is not pride which tells you that you made the world you see, and that it changes as you change your mind.

But it is pride that argues you have come into a world quite separate from yourself, impervious to what you think, and quite apart from what you chance to think it is. There is no world! This is the central thought the course attempts to teach. Not everyone is ready to accept it, and each one must go as far as he can let himself be led along the road to truth. He will return and go still farther, or perhaps step back a while and then return again.

But healing is the gift of those who are prepared to learn there is no world, and can accept the lesson now. Their readiness will bring the lesson to them in some form which they can understand and recognize. Some see it suddenly on point of death, and rise to teach it. Others find it in experience that is not of this world, which shows them that the world does not exist because what they behold must be the truth, and yet it clearly contradicts the world.
Source: http://acim.org/Lessons/lesson.html?lesson=132

[Gurudatt]

Love and Peace

[Meggings]

Thanks for the reminder above, EmEx:

There is no world apart from what you wish, and herein lies your ultimate release. Change but your mind on what you want to see, and all the world must change accordingly.

[Innocent Warrior]

I enjoyed your original post Meggings. Your imagination is awesome, creativity supercharged, and I love your painting.

[Wind]

You say a tremendous Peace is felt but sometimes the person appears.
Yes, the 'person' amongst other things.
And when the person appears its appearance is observed.
Its apparent presence and absence is observed.
That space now, from which both the presence and absence of the person is seen, can It be disturbed by anything?
No.

That - is your Self.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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[Meggings]

A little light-heartedness...a little smile...

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[Wind]

"The fact of Grace being an unpredictable descent from above does not mean that we are entirely helpless in the matter, that there is nothing we can do about it. We can at least prepare ourselves both to attract Grace and to respond aright when it does come. We can cleanse our hearts,
train our minds, discipline our bodies, and foster altruistic service even now. And then every cry we send out to invoke grace will be supported and emphasized by these preparations."

"The feeling of a sacred presence during meditation is important in every way.
It provides a channel whereby Grace can be given, ideas communicated, and character uplifted."

"When he has achieved the capacity or gotten the Grace of sitting in the unbroken stillness of a perfect contemplation,
he will feel a loving sweetness indescribable by human words and unmatched by human joys."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Joe Akulis]

"You will retreat from those thoughts that are argumentative that seek a difference in people rather than the seeing we are the same in light, in brotherhood, in creation."

I've been thinking a lot about this sort of thing lately. Yes, we can meditate our way back to Source, but won't part of our journey eventually involve the gradual rejoining of myself to everyone else? When you think about things that way, and then look at the people around you in your life, it can make you think, "I ain't joining with that guy, he's an a-hole."

We must realize how judgments create a barrier that you place between yourself and someone else, prohibiting unity. Examine these judgments and make them your next task.

That person IS who they ARE. That needs to become the very reason why we should be fascinated at the prospect of rejoining with them on our journey back to the Creator. But somehow, it all gets turned upside down.

[Rich]

Question: As the bodies and the selves animating them are everywhere actually observed to be innumerable how can it be said that the Self is only one?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: If the idea 'I am the body' is accepted, the selves are multiple. The state in which this idea vanishes is the Self since in that state there are no other objects. It is for this reason that the Self is regarded as one only.

Since the body itself does not exist in the natural outlook of the real Self, but only in the extroverted outlook of the mind which is deluded by the power of illusion, to call Self, the space of consciousness, Dehi (the possessor of the body) is wrong.

The world does not exist without the body, the body never exists without the mind, the mind never exists without consciousness, and consciousness never exists without the Reality.

For the wise one who has known Self by diving within himself, there is nothing other than Self to be known. Why? Because since the ego, which identifies the form of a body as "I" has perished, he (the wise one) is the formless existence— consciousness.

The jnani (one who has realised the Self) knows he is the Self and that nothing, neither his body nor anything else, exists but the Self. To such a one what difference could the presence or absence of a body make?

It is false to speak of realisation. What is there to realise? The Real is as it always is. We are not creating anything new, or achieving something, which we did not have before.
http://www.adishakti.org/_/self-atma_the_teachings_of_sri_ramana_maharshi_part_one.htm#sthash.iGp48OIZ.dpuf

[greybeard]

"You will retreat from those thoughts that are argumentative that seek a difference in people rather than the seeing we are the same in light, in brotherhood, in creation."

I've been thinking a lot about this sort of thing lately. Yes, we can meditate our way back to Source, but won't part of our journey eventually involve the gradual rejoining of myself to everyone else? When you think about things that way, and then look at the people around you in your life, it can make you think, "I ain't joining with that guy, he's an a-hole."

We must realize how judgments create a barrier that you place between yourself and someone else, prohibiting unity. Examine these judgments and make them your next task.

That person IS who they ARE. That needs to become the very reason why we should be fascinated at the prospect of rejoining with them on our journey back to the Creator. But somehow, it all gets turned upside down.

Welcome to thread Joe
Thanks for your post

Yes not that easy.
Mother Teresa said to her helpers that she saw everyone as Jesus in disguise.
Easier said than done---one way is to separate the person from what they do/have done.
You can continue to love some one close to you without condoning their actions.

Love Chris

[Guish]

"You will retreat from those thoughts that are argumentative that seek a difference in people rather than the seeing we are the same in light, in brotherhood, in creation."

I've been thinking a lot about this sort of thing lately. Yes, we can meditate our way back to Source, but won't part of our journey eventually involve the gradual rejoining of myself to everyone else? When you think about things that way, and then look at the people around you in your life, it can make you think, "I ain't joining with that guy, he's an a-hole."

We must realize how judgments create a barrier that you place between yourself and someone else, prohibiting unity. Examine these judgments and make them your next task.

That person IS who they ARE. That needs to become the very reason why we should be fascinated at the prospect of rejoining with them on our journey back to the Creator. But somehow, it all gets turned upside down.

While it is a very beautiful thought, it may not always work like that. People with very big ego who believe in manipulation, arrogance and violence will still exist. However, their influence on yourself will decrease till it becomes insignificant. You will no longer attract these people. You wouldn't mind staying close or away from them because you transcended duality. You will see them suffering behind this false showing off of power and you will feel compassion. What I experienced is that these people will change their behavior towards you-that's something Emex also experienced.

[Innocent Warrior]

"And since you know you cannot see yourself,
so well as by reflection, I, your glass,
will modestly discover to yourself,
that of yourself which you yet know not of."
~ William Shakespeare

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[greybeard]

Science and spirituality
Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds - Part 1 - Akasha

All 4 parts of the film can be found at http://www.innerworldsmovie.com.
Music from the film can be found at http://www.spiritlegend.com.
Your donations and purchases will help to support the "Awaken the World Initiative" so that future films can be released for free for the benefit of humanity. http://www.innerworldsmovie.com/index...

Sacred geometry posters and products can be found at: http://www.zazzle.com/awakentheworld

Please help us to translate and caption the film at: http://www.amara.org/en/videos/ZhFyV5...

Part one of the film Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds. Akasha is the unmanifested, the "nothing" or emptiness which fills the vacuum of space. As Einstein realized, empty space is not really empty. Saints, sages and yogis who have looked within themselves have also realized that within the emptiness is unfathomable power, a web of information or energy which connects all things. This matrix or web has been called the Logos, the Higgs Field, the Primordial OM and a thousand other names throughout history. In part one of Inner Worlds, we explore the one vibratory source that extends through all things, through the science of cymatics, the concept of the Logos, and the Vedic concept of Nada Brahma (the universe is sound or vibration). Once we realize that there is one vibratory source that is the root of all scientific and spiritual investigation, how can we say "my religion", "my God" or "my discovery".


This is well worth taking the time to view
The ancients sitting in meditations learned so much that science is now coming to confirm.
Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXuTt7c3Jkg

[Guish]

Science and spirituality
Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds - Part 1 - Akasha

All 4 parts of the film can be found at http://www.innerworldsmovie.com.
Music from the film can be found at http://www.spiritlegend.com.
Your donations and purchases will help to support the "Awaken the World Initiative" so that future films can be released for free for the benefit of humanity. http://www.innerworldsmovie.com/index...

Sacred geometry posters and products can be found at: http://www.zazzle.com/awakentheworld

Please help us to translate and caption the film at: http://www.amara.org/en/videos/ZhFyV5...

Part one of the film Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds. Akasha is the unmanifested, the "nothing" or emptiness which fills the vacuum of space. As Einstein realized, empty space is not really empty. Saints, sages and yogis who have looked within themselves have also realized that within the emptiness is unfathomable power, a web of information or energy which connects all things. This matrix or web has been called the Logos, the Higgs Field, the Primordial OM and a thousand other names throughout history. In part one of Inner Worlds, we explore the one vibratory source that extends through all things, through the science of cymatics, the concept of the Logos, and the Vedic concept of Nada Brahma (the universe is sound or vibration). Once we realize that there is one vibratory source that is the root of all scientific and spiritual investigation, how can we say "my religion", "my God" or "my discovery".


This is well worth taking the time to view
The ancients sitting in meditations learned so much that science is now coming to confirm.
Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXuTt7c3Jkg


Thanks, Chris. Very interesting.

[Meggings]

Since the opening post of this thread deals with ego, I thought you'd enjoy this Eckhart Tolle clip on "Silly Ego".

https://www.eckharttolletv.com/p/pesxe4

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[greybeard]

Thanks Meggins
In a way we are still dealing with transcending ego.
I learned a lot from Dr David Hawkins on who's teaching the early posts were based on.

Much love
Chris

[Rich]

You don't have to be perfect, you don't have to have good health, you don't have to do it before your body dies,
it's got nothing to do with anything: it's right now, place your attention behind any stories, any concepts.
From there, freedom arises, beauty arises, love arises.
~Jac o'Keeffe

[Grizz Griswold]

You don't have to be perfect, you don't have to have good health, you don't have to do it before your body dies,
it's got nothing to do with anything: it's right now, place your attention behind any stories, any concepts.
From there, freedom arises, beauty arises, love arises.
~Jac o'Keeffe

Yes EmEx,
You're it, Right Now!

I like this quote also, so simple, no need to make it complex.

“What we are looking for is what is looking.”


― Francis of Assisi

With Love
barry

[Guish]

It's between inhalation and exhalation
It's between the thoughts
It's what cannot be described
It's you
It's me
It just is.

[betoobig]

Brothers and sister i am so happy of being here, now, with yourself with myself, thanks to all.
MUch Love
Juan

[Wind]

The moment you genuinely say, 'Yes, I am here for Truth,' something magnificent begins to introduce itself from inside your heart.
A pure Presence begins to reveal itself.
Like a gentle tingling, a soft voice within. And, it begins to grow.
As you become more aware of it you will want to give it your full attention, your love, your very life.
It will keep growing stronger and stronger. Gradually, it will wash away all your noise, distractions and false beliefs.
It will become so big that eventually it will swallow 'you', the person, and change you into Itself.
Don't be afraid. This is the presence and spirit of the living God who is Truth itself.

~ Mooji

[Innocent Warrior]

Information about affecting physical reality with consciousness: the holographic universe.

The video below is an interview with Michael Talbot, the title reads "part one" but it is the full interview and there is no part two (not that I can find anyway). Talbot authored, "The Holographic Universe". The text below the video are some notes I took when watching the interview.

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How the model developed.

The model was developed by two men who were working independently; David Bohm, a physicist and Karl Pribram, a neurophysicist. Bohm was studying subatomic physics and how the fabric of reality possesses properties reminiscent of a hologram, and Pribram was studying memory and found evidence that suggests the brain operates holographically. Putting the two ideas together, suggests the universe is like a hologram.

Seeing the universe as a hologram.

Characteristics

Everything in the universe is connected and one.

Every portion of the universe contains the whole.

There are two levels of a hologram; the energy level which appears as a blur of energy/interference patterns, and the projected holographic image/form.

Quantum potential: waves of potential at the energy level of reality.

Perception: the mathematical language involved in making a hologram is "Fourier Transforms". The brain also uses fourier transforms to translate information from the outer world, received through the senses.

Implications

Reality is plastic.

There are two drastically different levels of reality; the energy (blurred) and physical (formed) levels.

The way we define reality has a real effect at the quantum level.

Uncertainty principle: the act of observing alters that which is being observed.

Examples, discussed in the interview, of how observing the universe as a hologram can explain various phenomena.

The placebo effect.

We're thinking with holograms in our minds, while the outer reality exists as waves. What we think of reality, as we look out, is really just an image in our minds and doesn't actually exist "out there". Placebos work because we appear to respond to the reality in our mind, not the outer reality, we only think we're responding to the outer reality.

Extra Sensory Perception (ESP)

When observing two subatomic particles, separated by distance, what is done to one can be seen to instantaneously affect the other. This (no time lapse) defies the existing physics model of reality, according to the theory of relativity, it is impossible for communication between two distanced particles to be instant. With the holographic model, rather than the behaviour being seen as communication at a distance, it is seen as an instant effect on the other particle, from affecting the first particle, simply because there is no division in the universe.

Psychokinesis

Psychokinesis is moving objects with thought alone. Again, this is possible through the there being no division. Rather than the act being to send thought energy to the object, to move it, it's a matter of resonance, and the act of realising there is no division may give rise to the ability to do it.

Near Death Experience (NDE)

Experiencers report instant manifesting of thoughts, eg. they are instantly clothed once they observe and are concerned that they are naked. This can be explained by them being in a non-physical reality, hence no time lapse between thought and manifesting, however, the manifesting still behaves according to the holographic model.

[Wind]

That's a good interview and I have his book next to me. 23 years after mainstream science still hasn't got a clue about those things,
except for a few great revolutionary scientists...


"The effortless state of being is always here.
Once we see there is nothing to figure out and that the universe has never relied on you for anything, you are just here.

We are all giving birth to ourselves in some way, giving birth to what has always been here.
And this birth can be very easy, or perceived as difficult, but "the baby has to come at some point, the baby is you."

~ Mooji

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[Rich]

When the ego-sense is abandoned, there arises that perfect state of equilibrium in which the turiya manifests itself.

Hence I tell you O Rama, there is nothing but the turiya. The turiya is the unmodified consciousness, and that alone exists.

Waking, dream and sleep are a state of the mind. When they cease, the mind dies. Satva alone remains - which the yogis aspire to.

-The Concise Yoga Vasistha

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[greybeard]

The latest Conscious TV interview

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Transformations (loaded 19 June 2015)
Rory O'Connor - 'I Can't Do This Anymore' - Interview by Iain McNay (watch this programme)
Rory was the youngest of 8 children and raised in the Catholic tradition. 'I remember looking at my parent's life and thinking that it seemed like a kind of hell, a trap that they 'believed' they could not get out of. From where I stood, frustration seemed to dog their lives.' He became a drummer in a heavy metal band but became very depressed and stopped playing music. But he kept searching, reading, started TM, and openings started to appear. 'At some point in my late thirties I had a real moment of clarity, a paradigm shift. I realised that what I understood of quantum science and the eastern traditions was essentially describing the same thing ie. the concept of everything appearing out of nothing through the observer. From then on 'reality' seemed a lot less 'solid'. 'Concurrent events in my personal life had also conspired to create an actual 'breakdown' moment where the pain of trying to keep everything 'together' caused me to smash the kitchen table to pieces with my bare hands only to find myself sitting in the rubble saying repeatedly "I can't do this anymore". It may not sound like it but this 'moment of surrender' was the best thing that ever happened to me.' 'When you know that you know nothing then you are free to consider anything and believe nothing. It doesn't matter how you describe it or label it life simply is what it is and the description/label is meaningless'

[Skyhaven]

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[Wind]

Sometimes in the midst of your inquiry, you sense a boundary or even an opening of grace.
In both cases you stand a real chance, a real opportunity to attain perfect understanding and freedom.

But often, right there and then something inside reacts by resisting any opportunity for liberation from the grip of the ego mind.
Consciousness, identified as a person, backs away and like this you take away a very small prize - self preservation.
You have missed a good chance and will have to fight this battle again another day for you cannot win a fight when it is over.
This is why it is highly beneficial to be in the energy field of a true master and Sangha.
You will not be able to get away with hiding or protecting your ego here.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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[Guish]

Sometimes in the midst of your inquiry, you sense a boundary or even an opening of grace.
In both cases you stand a real chance, a real opportunity to attain perfect understanding and freedom.

But often, right there and then something inside reacts by resisting any opportunity for liberation from the grip of the ego mind.
Consciousness, identified as a person, backs away and like this you take away a very small prize - self preservation.
You have missed a good chance and will have to fight this battle again another day for you cannot win a fight when it is over.
This is why it is highly beneficial to be in the energy field of a true master and Sangha.
You will not be able to get away with hiding or protecting your ego here.

~ Mooji

While I do agree, it's essential that there is no blind following but instead sharing. I'm uncomfortable when I see certain followers who'd just take anything the master says. That's why there have been cases of molestation and manipulation by certain masters. Not all of them are trustworthy. Buddha himself said not to believe what he says unless it makes sense to you. In certain places, you have to listen blindly to the master because he/ she is enlightened.

[GarethBKK]

I'm reminded of this wonderful scene from the movie V for Vendetta. I think this may illustrate what Mooji is driving at by suggesting support is necessary to prevent a turning away from the moment you, yourself, have been waiting for.

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[greybeard]

Mooji is not consistent in what he says about being in the presence of a Master (Jani)
There is no doubt about this being helpful.
He says there is only One alive---the master awakens the master within.
I liken it to having a flat car battery and along comes another and the engine is jump started.
The late Dr David Hawkins said that being in the presence of an enlightened sage permanently affects your aura, even to the last life time assuming you come back. However there is an energy in the videos of Mooji and similar pointers.
So I dont feel that it is necessary to sit in the Presence or go to Satsang but it is beneficial.

Eckhart Tolle had not read spiritual books--not been interested in spirituality and when awakening spontaneously happened, he had no idea what it was.
Then he investigated and on asking a Buddhist monk to sum up Buddhism the monk said "Simple. No self, no problem"
Enlightenment ripens matures after the event.
It took two years at least in the case pf Eckhart before teaching/pointing happened with more than a few people.

Love Chris

[Guish]

Mooji is not consistent in what he says about being in the presence of a Master (Jani)
There is no doubt about this being helpful.
He says there is only One alive---the master awakens the master within.
I liken it to having a flat car battery and along comes another and the engine is jump started.
The late Dr David Hawkins said that being in the presence of an enlightened sage permanently affects your aura, even to the last life time assuming you come back. However there is an energy in the videos of Mooji and similar pointers.
So I dont feel that it is necessary to sit in the Presence or go to Satsang but it is beneficial.

Eckhart Tolle had not read spiritual books--not been interested in spirituality and when awakening spontaneously happened, he had no idea what it was.
Then he investigated and on asking a Buddhist monk to sum up Buddhism the monk said "Simple. No self, no problem"
Enlightenment ripens matures after the event.
It took two years at least in the case pf Eckhart before teaching/pointing happened with more than a few people.

Love Chris

Spiritual people affect their surroundings with just their presence. i spent the last ten years practising being selfless. It wasn't something I learnt but my mind kept saying to me, if you do something good, why should you expect something back, it's greed and not good. I started to meditate as my grandfather was a pure Brahmin and lead a very disciplined life. When he died, it had an impact on me and the way I look at things changed. While I was inspired by people, I never had a formal teacher. I had experiences with Kundalini, the void, Non breathing and there was alwAys a voice telling me to be calm. It's just another phase. I believe your words are powerful when they come from direct experience.

[Wind]

Guish I agree and your concern is warranted. Some "masters" certainly have not had the best intentions and they have actually had a spiritual ego which has dominated their actions. Blind following is never a good thing and I've never been someone to follow anyone, but I have enjoyed Mooji's and Tolle's guidance, of course there are many more highly spiritual people like them. Mainly I try to follow the voice of my higher Self, instead of the voice of the ego.


You say you are meditating to reach the Awareness,
but the apparent one meditating with the intention to merge with Awareness is already watched from Awareness.

My pointing is so simple but you cannot grasp it,
because it is too simple for the personal mind
whose tendency is to complicate what is natural and simple.
Only when you are free of personal identity,
are you able to hear and confirm what is effortlessly and timelessly present.
But, if you have investment in even a little trace of identity,
you cannot fully hear and follow my guidance because,
although the identity seems to be working for liberation,
at the same time is also working for self-preservation.
It wants liberation but it wants liberation to include itself, the ego.
But liberation is not for the ego; it is from the ego.

A very subtle thing.

~ Mooji

[Innocent Warrior]

The true spiritual masters remind us of how we ourselves are spiritual masters, that we always are, always were, and can never not be. A blessing in this illusory world, for the illusory nature of this world is nothing more than the effect of an old program, and the program can be rewritten.

[greybeard]

Its all in the Buzz


There is no need to try and imagine what is witnessing all of this; it's enough to know and to confirm that it is witnessed. That witnessing place is your Absolute space.

This exercise is a physical and practical metaphor for the functioning of the universe, for the ground of Being -- which is Unmoving -- and for the witnessing of both of them. This is not a pranayama exercise, but simply is a kind of window in which your are able to see the functioning around your Inmost Being, and what it is that is inmost, but cannot be seen.
The buzz is the waking state and its activities, witnessing of the buzz is taking place without any effort; it is coming from the ground of the being itself. The sense of presence is there, but even the sense of presence is also witnessed.

By the time you try and analyse any movement, it's already gone. So the best is when you come to the state of that inner emptiness where your actions become spontaneous. When you don't think about that but simply observe that, you will feel very happy that there is a harmony unfolding in life that is not sourced from your mind. It is simply the harmony of existence.




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[Guish]

Wow, did I not talk about spontaneous actions when Emex asked me to describe the void? Amazing.

[greybeard]

The true spiritual masters remind us of how we ourselves are spiritual masters, that we always are, always were, and can never not be. A blessing in this illusory world, for the illusory nature of this world is nothing more than the effect of an old program, and the program can be rewritten.

Yes Eckhart Tolle said more or less "Can you be sure you are not a master?"

Love Chris

[Skyhaven]

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[Innocent Warrior]

The true spiritual masters remind us of how we ourselves are spiritual masters, that we always are, always were, and can never not be. A blessing in this illusory world, for the illusory nature of this world is nothing more than the effect of an old program, and the program can be rewritten.

Yes Eckhart Tolle said more or less "Can you be sure you are not a master?"

Love Chris

Yeah. :) And they all do, in their own way, they never tell us they are more special than us. Look at Mooji, he points to our true Self and encourages us to see it for ourselves.

[gripreaper]

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[Rich]

You are not the victim of the world you see because you invented it. You can give it up as easily as you made it up. You will see it or not see it, as you wish. While you want it you will see it; when you no longer want it, it will not be there for you to see.
~ACIM


This is something not many teachers seem to talk about, Lester Levenson also said it's possible to let go of the world altogether.

[greybeard]

You are not the victim of the world you see because you invented it. You can give it up as easily as you made it up. You will see it or not see it, as you wish. While you want it you will see it; when you no longer want it, it will not be there for you to see.
~ACIM


This is something not many teachers seem to talk about, Lester Levenson also said it's possible to let go of the world altogether.


HI EmEx some scientists are now saying that time is an illusion, therefore no time no experience--nothing can happen without time.

Eckhart Tolle has said that "There never was anyone there to do anything to you"

Mooji says similar-- "you dont have brothers mother father etc--these arise in your awareness"

Others say "Nothing every happened"
Ramana "Neither creation or dissolution"

Idra's dream implies the same

Its an absolute view point though.

Love Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

You are not the victim of the world you see because you invented it. You can give it up as easily as you made it up. You will see it or not see it, as you wish. While you want it you will see it; when you no longer want it, it will not be there for you to see.
~ACIM


This is something not many teachers seem to talk about, Lester Levenson also said it's possible to let go of the world altogether.

Mmmm no one to blame!
ACIM also says, only the Ego blames

Good one...EmEx

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[Rich]

Yes Chris, but those statements don't make it clear that you can let go of the dream permanently.
ACIM says, not only can we see that it is unreal but also that we can let go of the world if we so choose.

[Guish]

You are not the victim of the world you see because you invented it. You can give it up as easily as you made it up. You will see it or not see it, as you wish. While you want it you will see it; when you no longer want it, it will not be there for you to see.
~ACIM


This is something not many teachers seem to talk about, Lester Levenson also said it's possible to let go of the world altogether.


Why let go of the world though? The world is beautiful and it's only through expression that we can experience our higher selves and rise our consciousness.

[greybeard]

Yes Chris, but those statements don't make it clear that you can let go of the dream permanently.
ACIM says, not only can we see that it is unreal but also that we can let go of the world if we so choose.

The quotes were only part of the talk so there is no context.
The enlightened tend to tell you what is relevant to where you are and what you can believe or can aim for.

Self Realisation which the ones quoted say you already have but are unaware of,clears up the misunderstanding.
They all strongly point to the Truth, up till Enlightenment occurs we are the dreamer of all this.
Hard to believe but there you are.
The challenge is that we want to awake and enjoy the dream too, we keep going yes/no.
The ego thinks it is going to be an enlightened ego--no we transcend ego---on enlightenment there is no individual left to claim this.
So all fully enlightened have let go of the dream permanently.
Its all in Tim's thread opening post, I visit there from time to time.

Love Chris

[Guish]

Yes Chris, but those statements don't make it clear that you can let go of the dream permanently.
ACIM says, not only can we see that it is unreal but also that we can let go of the world if we so choose.

The quotes were only part of the talk so there is no context.
The enlightened tend to tell you what is relevant to where you are and what you can believe or can aim for.

Self Realisation which the ones quoted say you already have but are unaware of,clears up the misunderstanding.
They all strongly point to the Truth, up till Enlightenment occurs we are the dreamer of all this.
Hard to believe but there you are.
The challenge is that we want to awake and enjoy the dream too, we keep going yes/no.
The ego thinks it is going to be an enlightened ego--no we transcend ego---on enlightenment there is no individual left to claim this.
So all fully enlightened have let go of the dream permanently.
Its all in Tim's thread opening post, I visit there from time to time.

Love Chris

This is so true.

Who are you?
No idea

Do you love yourself?
No. Love just happens.

What's your identity?
Nothing and everything at the same time.

What do you like?

Everything but not really anything.

What do you want to do in life?
Be nothing.

Since there's no one left, there's nothing to say. Things just happen.

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Birth is suffering, decaying is suffering and death is suffering. This is applicable not only to the physical body, but also to every moment. Suppose you are enjoying something. Like everything else, it won't last long. Therefore, when it comes to the end and dies off you feel sad. You are left with the 'missing' feeling. 'That' wouldn't have been there if it all didn't begin in the first place. That's why it is said, birth is suffering, decaying is suffering and the death is suffering. When you realize this, the suffering will not be there any more.

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[GarethBKK]

You are not the victim of the world you see because you invented it. You can give it up as easily as you made it up. You will see it or not see it, as you wish. While you want it you will see it; when you no longer want it, it will not be there for you to see.
~ACIM


This is something not many teachers seem to talk about, Lester Levenson also said it's possible to let go of the world altogether.


Why let go of the world though? The world is beautiful and it's only through expression that we can experience our higher selves and rise our consciousness.

Indeed. No need to let go of the world. The world is perfectly understood following the search for 'I am'.

We have this belief that there is an inside 'me' and an outside world. Through exploring direct experience we come to understand/remember. Direct experience is to look at what is coming and going in all 5 senses, without looking to thought for labels. In this way, we see that all that is directly experienced is all experienced in the same place. It is unbounded. If we look for the experiencer, we cannot find one.

We can learn to see emotions, feelings and thoughts arising in addition the sensory perception. We see that all of these experiences are all experienced in the same place, and yet there is still no evidence of an experiencer.

With practice, all the boundaries between experiences break down. There is the experience of foot on floor, but without thought providing labels there are not two experiences from two objects, only one experience with no object and no subject.

Eventually the idea (it was only ever an idea) that there is a 'me' inside dissolves. When this idea dissolves so does the idea of an outside world. There becomes all of this, whatever it is, experienced as experience by experience. All of this becomes one unbounded aliveness. You are now free.

Peace, love and joy.

[Wind]

I find these quotes to be interesting. Like most of us, I know that I am person with an ego (possibly not as strong as some have), but I also know that there is a distinction between my personality/ego and my higher self/soul. When Paul Brunton or Bashar talk about the higher/overself, I think they are referring to the same Self as Mooji. Instead of letting our ego's control ourselves, we should surrender more to the guidance of the intuition/higher Self for it knows best. It may not always be easy because there is that emotional body which reacts to certain things and I know that I'm not immune to such things yet.

I guess when you have attained a certain state you won't react to things like that anymore, and for a reasons many call it a journey. Because that's what life is, a spiritual journey and different people have different kind of journeys even though the end goal is ultimately the same. More acceptance and less resistance, that's what it's all about. Listen to the voice of your heart.

"Despite all the talk disparaging the ego, it is not wrong but praiseworthy to develop the best personality one can and then use it. Its character can be purified, its passions controlled, its weaknesses overcome, its ignorance dispelled. New virtues can be introduced and new power developed. One can then make better use of such a personality--for one's own advantage and for service of others--and one should."

"When the consciousness of true and real primary being is finally discovered, thought out, and felt as himself, the secondary being need not be disowned, denied existence and suppressed, as so often taught. But because of its tyranny, its usurpation certainly must be stopped and its proper secondary place imposed upon it; and because of its ignorance a re-education into mentalism must also be imposed upon it."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Innocent Warrior]

Bashar talks about this too, that we're manifesting our version of everything and everyone. Still a bit over my head but I've experienced the truth of it.

Edit: Decided I didn't like the rest of my original post (this post and my previous post). It didn't feel accurate and it was dull anyway. I'm sick with the flu and feeling a bit down.


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[Skyhaven]

Bashar talks about this too, that we're manifesting our version of everything and everyone. Still a bit over my head but I've experienced the truth of it.

Edit: Decided I didn't like the rest of my original post (this post and my previous post). It didn't feel accurate and it was dull anyway. I'm sick with the flu and feeling a bit down.


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And actually the scientific leading edge is shifting towards this idea :

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... and quantum theory also implies that it is the observer who creates reality.

[Rich]

ACIM says the world does not exist and is not created by God. That we have the choice of letting it go.

[Guish]

ACIM says this world does not exist and is not created by God. That we have the choice of letting it go.

I'd say the contrary. We create our reality with our thoughts but the universe had been created by something intelligent so that everything is in harmony. The stars do not crash with the planets, there's a perfect balance on the earth till humans start to mess up with it. Everything is really perfect till the ego starts to mess up with it.

[Meggings]

I've been away from this thread; coming back I find I've missed interesting posts. A girlfriend from Japan sent this today:

"You search for the ‘Self’ you will find only the Soul. You search for truth and you will find only the Soul. You search for the God you will find only the Soul.
Thus, the Soul is the Goal. The Soul, which is present in the form of the consciousness, is the ultimate truth or Brahman or God. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar"

Wind says: "When Paul Brunton or Bashar talk about the higher/overself, I think they are referring to the same Self as Mooji." Though we lack hard and fast definitions of what SOUL is, through long experience I have come to equate my Soul with my Higher Self, with my larger Oversoul which sends personalities into 3D life throughout time.

When ACIM says, "You can give it up as easily as you made it up. You will see it or not see it, as you wish. While you want it you will see it; when you no longer want it, it will not be there for you to see..." there is STILL the observer that sees the world dissolve. The Observer is independent of time and space, for I have been Observer - seemingly as a point of awareness flying through the black void, or as an orb travelling timelines connected to this earth.

Yet though I have seen the world before me dissolve a number of times through the years, I have not found the "button" to push to make it do so. It does not come from me as personality, but seems to result from a rising up into high vibrational frequencies of love. It is in that state, Wind, that what you write of occurs: "...that emotional body which reacts to certain things...when you have attained a certain state you won't react to things..." This is true.

A few times in such a state of unconditional love I have been under severe attack and felt no reaction. Indeed, I felt the perfection of all things. There was enough of my personality self present that my Margaret self marvelled, while my Higher Self/Soul was acting through my physical vehicles. Words cannot be well fashioned to describe this.

SOUL is slowly coming to be more present through me. It appears to be the path humans are on. At times I have entered into my soul and been aware of holding many strands of energy to other lifetimes, with me touching on awareness of being the soul in the centre. I do absolutely know that at times I enter INTO the soul and see through the eyes of other personalities in other times and places.

So I concur with ACIM that the world as we see it can dissolve. I have marvelled to see my body disappear once. But one continues as freed awareness that ... that is clothed in glory and rises up. As corny as that sounds, I have experienced this. "Trailing clouds of glory" are the words that first came to me to describe this passage between much higher and here. (not to the astral, but much much higher levels)

Wind is quite right - "we should surrender more to the guidance of the intuition/higher Self". I think this is a good path.

[Rich]

From Talks with Ramana:

The ego makes you aware of others and in its absence there are no others to be
seen. The Self is beyond the ego and is realised after the ego is
eliminated. The elimination of the ego makes one unaware of
others.


D.: How can we deny the world and the people therein? I hear some
music. It is sweet and grand. I recognise it to be Wagner’s music.
I cannot claim it to be mine.
M.: Does Wagner or his music exist apart from you? Unless you are
there to say that it is Wagner’s music, can you be aware of it? Without
being aware of it, can it be said to exist? To make it more clear, do
you recognise Wagner’s music in your deep sleep? And yet you admit
that you exist in sleep. So it is clear that Wagner and music are only
your thoughts. They are in you and not out of you.

pdf here: http://selfdefinition.org/ramana/Talks-with-Sri-Ramana-Maharshi--complete.pdf

[Rich]

ACIM says this world does not exist and is not created by God. That we have the choice of letting it go.

I'd say the contrary. We create our reality with our thoughts but the universe had been created by something intelligent so that everything is in harmony. The stars do not crash with the planets, there's a perfect balance on the earth till humans start to mess up with it. Everything is really perfect till the ego starts to mess up with it.


Guish, it depends how we use the word ''God'' I simply state what ACIM says, it explains that things of time and space are not real because God only creates like himself; eternal, limitless and formless.

A Course in Miracles pdf:
http://pc.sinus.cz/ACIM/pdf/ACIM.pdf

ACIM Lessons:
http://acim.org/Lessons/lesson.html?lesson=32

[Guish]

ACIM says this world does not exist and is not created by God. That we have the choice of letting it go.

I'd say the contrary. We create our reality with our thoughts but the universe had been created by something intelligent so that everything is in harmony. The stars do not crash with the planets, there's a perfect balance on the earth till humans start to mess up with it. Everything is really perfect till the ego starts to mess up with it.


Guish, it depends how we use the word ''God'' I simply state what ACIM says, it explains that things of time and space are not real because God only creates like himself; eternal, limitless and formless.

A Course in Miracles pdf:
http://pc.sinus.cz/ACIM/pdf/ACIM.pdf

ACIM Lessons:
http://acim.org/Lessons/lesson.html?lesson=32

We are the soul and it cannot be destroyed. The key of spirituality, for me is to appreciate the beauty of things and not get attached to them. Once we lose our self to discover our true self, there's nothing or no one left to interpret things. We just move effortlessly through things.

[greybeard]

I think in Genesis it says more or less (memory memory) God became everything without diminishing Himself.
The memory may be faulty so I don't mind being corrected.

My take is that, only God exists and I am That.
Only "One without a second."
Debate is good.

Love Chris

[Rich]

My take is that, only God exists and I am That.
Only "One without a second."

Chris, I think so too but ACIM uses the word God differently
(my theory and I may be wrong; the first cause of existence, that which is before [self] awareness).

[Wind]

Thanks for your thoughts, Margaret. It's nice that we have these discussions in this thread.

The instant you genuinely say Yes to Truth inside your Heart
a subtle vibration is felt. Don’t overlook it.
As you become open, it will guide you in subtle ways.
Day by day, you become increasingly aware of its presence.
Sometimes, it may just whisper. Why whisper?
So you bend down to listen and develop more sensitivity to truth.
In the beginning you have to make an effort to hear and to listen,
because other voices are also talking inside your head.
The more one identifies with the ego self, the more heavy life is felt to be.
The one who calls you is with you. Trust.
You must engage your discerning power to identify which is the true voice.
Basically, the less of ‘you’, the person, there is, the more Truth reveals itself.
The one who grasps this begins to see things in such a calm and light way.
Stay like this—observant. Move like this—empty.
Don’t wait for the Real to come.
Recognise, inside your heart - I am already here.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

My take is that, only God exists and I am That.
Only "One without a second."

Chris, I think so too but ACIM uses the word God differently
(my theory and I may be wrong; the first cause of existence, that which is before [self] awareness).

The Dr David Hawkins book "Power vs Force" explains it all as a step down principal each level having a descending energy,frequency. vibration.
You could liken it to electricity Massive voltage is then reduced by a transformer to power fitting etc in a house--your laptop may require even reduced voltage but its all electricity.
You could liken it also to a thermometer Extreme heat, less heat less heat till we get to what we call freezing. In no-duality its all heat--not described in terms of opposites like hot and cold--just less of the same thing till there is an absence of heat.

So ultimately there cant be creation as a separate event--that would be duality--there is no time for creation to occur.
However you could have God Dream---dream and dreamer are not separate.
So we are the dream and the dreamer as far as existence goes but on awakening we realise ther is only Self which is Self aware without need of a second to confirm this.
Not saying im right.
Love Chris


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[Guish]

My take is that, only God exists and I am That.
Only "One without a second."

Chris, I think so too but ACIM uses the word God differently
(my theory and I may be wrong; the first cause of existence, that which is before [self] awareness).

The Dr David Hawkins book "Power vs Force" explains it all as a step down principal each level having a descending energy,frequency. vibration.
You could liken it to electricity Massive voltage is then reduced by a transformer to power fitting etc in a house--your laptop may require even reduced voltage but its all electricity.
You could liken it also to a thermometer Extreme heat, less heat less heat till we get to what we call freezing. In no-duality its all heat--not described in terms of opposites like hot and cold--just less of the same thing till there is an absence of heat.

So ultimately there cant be creation as a separate event--that would be duality--there is no time for creation to occur.
However you could have God Dream---dream and dreamer are not separate.
So we are the dream and the dreamer as far as existence goes but on awakening we realise ther is only Self which is Self aware without need of a second to confirm this.
Not saying im right.
Love Chris


G

I like the way you explain. We are all different forms of the same thing-consciousness. However, some are more trapped into matter and some less.

[greybeard]

Well Guish "one" might be a 100 watt bulb or a 40 watt bulb, or less. How bright is the light you shine on the world?
Is your energy uplifting, illuminating?

It matters how you treat people.

Thankfully all posting on Avalon are on the up and up and even if not everyone is positive, that's ok too.

Love Chris

[Guish]

Well Guish "one" might be a 100 watt bulb or a 40 watt bulb, or less. How bright is the light you shine on the world?
Is your energy uplifting, illuminating?

It matters how you treat people.

Thankfully all posting on Avalon are on the up and up and even if not everyone is positive, that's ok too.

Love Chris

Beautiful thought. I'll go to sleep with that. 10.30 p.m here.

[Meggings]

From another girlfriend, this one in Florida.I cannot vouch if the anecdote is true, but it is cute enough to share.

Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2015 4:36 pm
Subject: Mahatma Gandhi

Gandhi ... A lovely little anecdote about one of life's more interesting characters ...

When Mahatma Gandhi was studying law at the University College of London, a professor by the name of Peters disliked him intensely and always displayed animosity towards him. And because Gandhi never lowered his head when addressing him, as he expected, there were always "arguments" and confrontations.

One day Mr Peters was having lunch at the University dining room when Gandhi came along with his tray and sat next to him. The professor said,"Mr Gandhi, you do not understand. A pig and a bird do not sit together to eat." Gandhi looked at him as a parent would a rude child and calmly replied, "You do not worry, professor. I'll fly away," and he went and sat at another table.

Peters, red with rage, decided to take revenge on the next test paper, but Gandhi responded brilliantly to all questions.

Unhappy and frustrated, Mr Peters asked him the following question: "Mr Gandhi, if you were walking down the street and found a package, and within was a bag of wisdom and another bag with a lot of money, which one would you take?"

Without hesitating, Gandhi responded, "The one with the money, of course." Mr Peters, smiling sarcastically, said, "I, in your place, would have taken the wisdom."

Gandhi shrugged indifferently and responded, "Each one takes what he doesn't have."

Mr Peters by this time was fit to be tied. So great was his anger that he wrote on Gandhi's exam sheet the word "idiot" and handed it back to him. Gandhi took the exam sheet and sat down at his desk, trying to remain calm while he contemplated his next move. A few minutes later, Gandhi got up, went to the professor and said to him in a dignified polite tone, "Mr Peters, you autographed the sheet, but you did not give me the grade."

[Skyhaven]

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[greybeard]

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Nobody has to teach it how to fly free.

Great picture ---the moment of awakening to True nature.

Thanks Skyhaven

[Wind]

When you think, ‘All is Brahman, all all all, everything is Brahman,' you are free, you are fine.
If you have that bhavana, that inner attitude, the feeling, 'All is Brahman' will unify your powers, harmonise everything.
You don’t have to do any other practice, if you have that bhavana, that attitude inside.
Similarly, when you drop the 'I'-dentity, the person, unity is found.
Because It is here already. Even the ego is held inside the great unity actually.
Even disharmony is part of the great harmony.
But few see or understands this.
Ego has a very important part in the play of life.
The consciousness has to taste ego until it becomes tired of its limitations.
When consciousness become tired of ego, e-goes and He remains.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

When you think, ‘All is Brahman, all all all, everything is Brahman,' you are free, you are fine.
If you have that bhavana, that inner attitude, the feeling, 'All is Brahman' will unify your powers, harmonise everything.
You don’t have to do any other practice, if you have that bhavana, that attitude inside.
Similarly, when you drop the 'I'-dentity, the person, unity is found.
Because It is here already. Even the ego is held inside the great unity actually.
Even disharmony is part of the great harmony.
But few see or understands this.
Ego has a very important part in the play of life.
The consciousness has to taste ego until it becomes tired of its limitations.
When consciousness become tired of ego, e-goes and He remains.

~ Mooji

That's a wonderful quote.

[greybeard]

Thanks Wind for the Mooji post
There is an energy in the words of Mooji.
They are perfect concise and to the point
So much said in a few lines.
You only have to read the short post to see the Truth in this.

Much love
Chris

[Napping]

Hi guys,

I've no doubt this has been discussed tirelessly in the past, but would love a quick revisit if I may.

I've had a couple of good mates recently turn vegetarian and this has triggered some intrinsic moral discourse. I've chosen to ignore what an animal had to go through to end up on my plate - ignorance is bliss. However, like most of you who visit this thread I'm on a quest of self improvement - spiritual conquest if you like.

How important do you guys feel is it pay close attention on what we eat on your own spiritual progress. I've been posting on a vegan thread with lovely people who clearly feel it's essential for any number of reasons, but interested in this groups thoughts.

Cheers,

Matt

[GarethBKK]

Hi guys,
How important do you guys feel is it pay close attention on what we eat on your own spiritual progress. I've been posting on a vegan thread with lovely people who clearly feel it's essential for any number of reasons, but interested in this groups thoughts.

Cheers,

Matt

Hi Matt,

Great question. I'd love to hear what others think on this topic, including your own ideas.

I've been a vegetarian for over three decades. Originally, this was an economic decision i.e. a reaction to the insanity of consuming food which required more energy to produce than delivered, and the non-sustainability, in a world where people were starving.

In recent years, following glimpses of reality, my need is to simply nourish the body. I avoid eating anything unnecessary or counter to this purpose. I avoid eating anything that may give rise to feelings of guilt, worries over health, etc. I basically eat that which will make me happy, and not eating meat or fish is what makes me happiest. I also try to eat for less than US$3 a day.

I don't believe there is any prescription to this, and I wouldn't feel the need to give instruction, beyond 'eat for the body's sustenance not the mind's greed.'

Cheers,

Gareth

[greybeard]

Thanks for the question Matt and welcome here to this thread

I dont know if being a vegetarian is helpful as far as spiritual "progress" goes.

Red Indians and may indigenous people thanked their prey and were spiritually evolved.

However as a fairly young child I would not eat meat --then in my teens did for a while, then reverted to being vegetarian.
My thought as a child was If that could happen to an animal it could happen to me and I would not want that.
I seemed to be able to put myself in the shoes of anything living from insects upwards.

My mother, though a meat eater, said "If you are going to eat something that lived then you also have to be prepare to personally kill it."
I wasn’t.
Each to their own---I would not get hung up on being vegetarian or otherwise.

Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

The Robert Lanza video conveys a brilliant and revealing perspective but I disagree with a part of his theory. He says that objects don't exist when we're not observing them because the observer needs to be present for them to go from waves of potential (with a probability - observer) to particle form. It is true that the observer must be present for it to exist but he's missing that everything is made of consciousness and that everything is aware and perceiving, therefore everything always exists. If I as an individual observer perceives something, I experience it and make it a part of the reality I'm experiencing, but everything always exists. Some argue that nothing other than the awareness exists and in a way that's true, because the fabric of everything is consciousness, which in reality is not solid. I argue that it all exists but has different qualities.

[Guish]

Hi guys,

I've no doubt this has been discussed tirelessly in the past, but would love a quick revisit if I may.

I've had a couple of good mates recently turn vegetarian and this has triggered some intrinsic moral discourse. I've chosen to ignore what an animal had to go through to end up on my plate - ignorance is bliss. However, like most of you who visit this thread I'm on a quest of self improvement - spiritual conquest if you like.

How important do you guys feel is it pay close attention on what we eat on your own spiritual progress. I've been posting on a vegan thread with lovely people who clearly feel it's essential for any number of reasons, but interested in this groups thoughts.

Cheers,

Matt

As your level of consciousness increases, you develop more compassion towards all living beings. The need to consume meat goes on its own. Even your body adjusts itself. In my experience, I couldn't digest meat and felt nauseous. I always felt bad when I saw animals being caged so that they can be sold for consumption. I used to go to the market and felt really bad when I saw chicken in cages to be sold and killed. I ate from time to time because my parents ate till a day came when my body couldn't stand the meat at all.

[Napping]

Hi guys,

Thanks for your responses. I tend agree that the feelings of compassion I've gradually started to feel have perhaps been an indication of a steady awakening. It's more or less happening organically. Since being a dad, I feel like i've been given a booster shot of compassion in general. It's actually made reading the paper or listening to the news or even scrolling through my Facebook newsfeed harder and harder to manage.

I'm not sure if the amount of bad news and the level of its graphic content has increased in recent years, or I've simply become more sensitive....probably a bit of both. I feel it's a good thing nonetheless. I also feel myself become more and more of a recluse as I find I am becoming increasingly frustrated and irritated by people's selfishness and lack of morality.

So it's going to be a huge step heading towards being vegetarian as I just love meat, chicken, fish etc. However, if my inner compass continues to steer me in that direction, I won't get in it's way.

Cheers,

Matt

[Meggings]

On the topic of eating meat, I have some personal observations. There was a period of a couple of years I had a hard time staying in body - I'd just sort of slip upward. I ate meat deliberately to ground myself and keep more in body. But I did not WANT the meat - I chose it as a way of staying more 3D.

For years my beloved - a great believer in meat being needed for the body, because of he was socialized that way - my beloved would BBQ steak and always give me the choicest tenderloin. Meal after meal over the years that perfect gift was on my plate untouched, not eaten by me, and never a word of comment or censure or urging me to eat it did my beloved give.

When he died in 2008 and I passed with him from 3D to something higher, when the room became golden light and all the people there dissolved to my sight, I seemed to accompany him up towards 5D. And less than a year later I was called to be present at a stage of his ascension.

And so my experience shows me that eating meat does not have to interfere with becoming ascended. My experience also shows that eating meat keeps you more in 3D than in higher states. Is there not a passage somewhere that says it is not by what enters the mouth that man is defiled, but by what comes out of his mouth?

Listen to your own body and soul. If you do not want meat, simply do not eat it. Over this long life I have spent years with no meat and have returned to meat, and then drifted away again. These years I give it no thought. The kids had lamb the other night and I followed the delicious aroma into the kitchen and was given a bite. It had been years since I'd had lamb, and yet I found I could not taste it. I think memory was stirred more by the aroma than that the body desired to have meat.

[greybeard]

I have found desire for many things have just gone.
I rarely read and even watching the spiritual videos has decreased to great extent.
I meditate more just listening to the Mooji ones.
Mindless activities prevail, like washing dishes, cutting grass, making soup, going for short smokie walks, some shopping, frankly just passing time.
The only mental activity is playing bass and singing with friends--once a week.
Even that is a thoughtless activity really --it just happens and is enjoyed in the moment but if it never happened again that would be just fine
Most of my day is spent alone and Im ok with that
The challenge is passing time.
This is possibly a transitory stage--who knows where it is going.

Love Chris

[Guish]

I have found desire for many things have just gone.
I rarely read and even watching the spiritual videos has decreased to great extent.
I meditate more just listening to the Mooji ones.
Mindless activities prevail, like washing dishes, cutting grass, making soup, going for short smokie walks, some shopping, frankly just passing time.
The only mental activity is playing bass and singing with friends--once a week.
Even that is a thoughtless activity really --it just happens and is enjoyed in the moment but if it never happened again that would be just fine
Most of my day is spent alone and Im ok with that
The challenge is passing time.
This is possibly a transitory stage--who knows where it is going.

Love Chris

Give full attention to everything. Aim for perfection and a still mind.

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[greybeard]

The challenge is that the mind is still.
There nothing nagging me to do.
There is a thoughtless awareness, most of the time.
I was a very busy person, hobbies and projects in plenty.
Its a question of getting used to being a relative nobody.
Ego persists though even in diminished role.
Still some way to go even though its not a journey.

Love Chris

[Wind]

I believe that in his time Jesus ate at least fish occasionally and possibly lamb too, he was a highly evolved soul like Buddha in human form. Then again, factory processed meat didn't exist then. This July I have been a vegetarian for three years due to ethical and spiritual reasons, or a pescetarian who eats fish every now and then. I had aversion to some meat all my life, but did enjoy eating chicken and some beefs due to their taste. I had an awakening and followed the guidance of my Self, but everyone has to follow their inner guidance. It knows best, always.


I see your form. Who lives inside this form?
It can only be the Presence. Only the Supreme is here,
but inside the form, there is something that is taking the form to be what it is
and it is taking itself to be a person living inside —this is imagination, thought.
And whatever is being believed inside the body,
that is the perfume you are going to be experiencing.
What we experience is whatever we believe and the strongest belief is self-belief.
When you meet someone, you are meeting and experiencing their self-belief.
If they believe they are a person, then this is what they present to the world as their self.
Now, one need not understand this intellectually or analytically
but energetically something inside here knows:
'You are a stranger to me, because, seriously, you take yourself to be a personal tenant in this house.
And because you think you are this person, you think you don’t know me.'
And something inside me is saying: Why you pretend this distance,
like you don’t know me when we are one even before the world began?
Why are you pretending? Wake up!
I don't usually say this, but I may say this to trigger a recognition and an Awakening in you, if the capacity is there to receive it.

~ Mooji

[Innocent Warrior]

I have found desire for many things have just gone.
I rarely read and even watching the spiritual videos has decreased to great extent.
I meditate more just listening to the Mooji ones.
Mindless activities prevail, like washing dishes, cutting grass, making soup, going for short smokie walks, some shopping, frankly just passing time.
The only mental activity is playing bass and singing with friends--once a week.
Even that is a thoughtless activity really --it just happens and is enjoyed in the moment but if it never happened again that would be just fine
Most of my day is spent alone and Im ok with that
The challenge is passing time.
This is possibly a transitory stage--who knows where it is going.

Love Chris

I'm going through a similar experience. I was having a hard time with it for the past couple of weeks. I've lost interest in everything, even my project of becoming lucid in this dream. Or whatever it is, don't even know what to call it anymore.

I actually felt panic about it for a few days. I felt I'd lost interest in life and didn't know what to do with myself. A bit of a problem seeing as how I'm clearly not leaving anytime soon. It left me feeling like I'm doing time just by being here. Then I was talking to a friend on Skype, we were talking about mysterious things and I felt my heart come alive. Cool, there's something, I still love mysteries and magical things. Then I saw that it's not life I've lost interest in, just this outer world.

I've been letting go of the world for a few years now and seem to have had some major success with it this year, especially the past few months. I think it freaked my ego out. I've been thinking things like I'm not of this world, I'll most likely never be anyone of any importance in this world. That made me feel sad. I believed I would do something special when I grew up, since I was a little girl I believed that. I may or may not, either way I will most likely remain a nobody in the world, I'm good with that but my ego isn't. It's mostly quiet but it's still there and that's where the panic came from.

I ended up calming myself by realising my life can be about whatever I want it to be about, who, other than my ego, says it has to have anything to do with this world? So, I tend to my self, work, health and all that, but my life is not about any of that anymore. I raise my son and marvel at his beauty. I love my boyfriend and thank God I get to share life with him. I explore my inner world, the magic, the unknown, and I feel wonder again.

My awareness of the suffering of Earth and her inhabitants never leaves me and my mind fears that letting go is giving up, but I never strayed from the path of my heart (not far anyway) and this is where it has led me. I have faith that I am and always will be doing all I can for Earth, by being the true me.

We knew we'd have to let go of the old to allow the new. Maybe this is just that, this is what it feels like to live in a world we've let go of? I do know the new is already here, manifesting a bit here and there. Maybe this emptiness, created by the absence of interest in this world, is the canvas from which the new arises? Time will tell.

[Wind]

I've too had similar feelings. The mind (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emHAoQGoQic) with all it's aspirations, now that can be tricky...

"This, then, is the human problem: there is a price to be paid for every increase in consciousness. We cannot be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain. By remembering the past we can plan for the future. But the ability to plan for the future is offset by the "ability" to dread pain and to fear of the unknown. Furthermore, the growth of an acute sense of the past and future gives us a corresponding dim sense of the present. In other words, we seem to reach a point where the advantages of being conscious are outweighed by its disadvantages, where extreme sensitivity makes us unadaptable."

"Tomorrow and plans for tomorrow can have no significance at all unless you are in full contact with the reality of the present, since it is in the present and only in the present that you live. There is no other reality than present reality, so that, even if one were to live for endless ages, to live for the future would be to miss the point everlastingly."

Alan Watts , The Wisdom of Insecurity

"I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round".

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[Grizz Griswold]

Paul Heddermans, new video.
We are the Dreamer of the Dream, We give it all the meaning it has For us.
Paul as Chris said "cusses up a storm"
A very good video

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With Love
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