Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Guish]

The challenge is that the mind is still.
There nothing nagging me to do.
There is a thoughtless awareness, most of the time.
I was a very busy person, hobbies and projects in plenty.
Its a question of getting used to being a relative nobody.
Ego persists though even in diminished role.
Still some way to go even though its not a journey.

Love Chris


Is there no bliss in this state? You could start writing about spirituality, write songs, go more in nature and share your experiences with others.

[greybeard]

The challenge is that the mind is still.
There nothing nagging me to do.
There is a thoughtless awareness, most of the time.
I was a very busy person, hobbies and projects in plenty.
Its a question of getting used to being a relative nobody.
Ego persists though even in diminished role.
Still some way to go even though its not a journey.

Love Chris


Is there no bliss in this state? You could start writing about spirituality, write songs, go more in nature and share your experiences with others.

I appreciate what you are saying Guish.
Without going into the story of Chris
I wrote a short book on spirituality but could not get published. Wrote several songs, been a semi pro musician, share on this thread.
Much of my life was spent in nature, racing sailing dinghy’s, being in forests.
Basically I got the T shirt, no desire to revisit any of this.
Im content and neutral.
Dr David Hawkins said that there are flat periods in spirituality when nothing much seems to be happening but there is a lot going on subconsciously.
Kundalini is active at the moment.
Bliss has not visited for a while but that ok.
Its really just a question of passing time without forcing or pushing myself to do.

Much love
Chris

[Guish]

Dr David Hawkins said that there are flat periods in spirituality when nothing much seems to be happening but there is a lot going on subconsciously.
Bliss has not visited for a while but that ok.

Chris

At this point, you should not look for something. Just be there. Good idea.

[Innocent Warrior]

I've too had similar feelings. The mind (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emHAoQGoQic) with all it's aspirations, now that can be tricky...

"This, then, is the human problem: there is a price to be paid for every increase in consciousness. We cannot be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain. By remembering the past we can plan for the future. But the ability to plan for the future is offset by the "ability" to dread pain and to fear of the unknown. Furthermore, the growth of an acute sense of the past and future gives us a corresponding dim sense of the present. In other words, we seem to reach a point where the advantages of being conscious are outweighed by its disadvantages, where extreme sensitivity makes us unadaptable."

"Tomorrow and plans for tomorrow can have no significance at all unless you are in full contact with the reality of the present, since it is in the present and only in the present that you live. There is no other reality than present reality, so that, even if one were to live for endless ages, to live for the future would be to miss the point everlastingly."

Alan Watts , The Wisdom of Insecurity

"I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round".

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Indeed, mind and time are inseparable, so being fully in the present keeps us out of the mind paradigm.

Interesting that you are experiencing similar feelings. I haven't reached the state Chris has, not the same situation, but interesting to observe the similarities. Universals could indicate an environmental influence, with the differences coming down to our varying stages of development, hence understanding and perspective? Just throwing it out there, the planet is shifting too.

Great song btw.

[greybeard]

Paul Heddermans, new video.
We are the Dreamer of the Dream, We give it all the meaning it has For us.
Paul as Chris said "cusses up a storm"
A very good video

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With Love
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Thanks for this Barry
Listening as I type.

This thread is very helpful to "me"
Its all about sharing--where we find our self at that moment.

Basically whatever the situation/level--some one has been here before us.
Thanks to teachings of the late Dr David Hawkins, which are very in-depth regarding what to expect as one progresses and the sharing here I know that all is normal and just fine.

Mooji is very helpful, in that when you are ready he gets you out of notions of progress, you are That here and now, there is no journey to make, you are here.
My experience is that you hear when you are ready to hear and that Self gives you exactly what you need.

Much love
Chris

[Wind]

Interesting that you are experiencing similar feelings. I haven't reached the state Chris has, not the same situation, but interesting to observe the similarities. Universals could indicate an environmental influence, with the differences coming down to our varying stages of development, hence understanding and perspective? Just throwing it out there, the planet is shifting too.

As always, I can only trust my intuition and theorize. I think it has everything to with the evolution of the soul and attaining that state of harmony, but also about receiving Grace. I always felt that I had a purpose for being here, but that I had a higher calling. That calling conflicted with the earthly life and it didn't make much sense to me and I was always a bit estranged when it came to conventional ways of thinking, doing things and living. I felt that something was missing in this current society and perhaps in myself and maybe it was understanding which was missing.

Although I think that I still have a long way to go, I have "learned" or should I say remembered more and more about letting go and that has helped me. I can't say that I have been fully at peace all the time, because I still have the need to improve things, but then again I'm also someone who dreams and is a visionary so I do dream of a better world. I know that there is also a bigger shift occuring besides the individual one and I do think that it is exciting. We are where we are supposed to be and we are making progress, no doubt about it.

"It is the greatest good fortune to attain such serenity--to be lifted above passion and hatred, prejudice and fear, greed and discontent, and yet to be able to attend effectively and capably to one's worldly duties. It is possible to reach this state. The seeker may have had glimpses of it already. Someday, sometime, if he is patient, he will enter it to stay--and the unimaginably rewarding and perfect purpose of his life, of all his lifetimes, will be fulfilled."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Innocent Warrior]

Thanks for your reply, Wind. I'm certain you will see the world you dream of, I beleive we've been birthing it this whole time, just by being us.

It's pretty wild when you think about it, humanity is taking a quantum leap and we are the last of this kind. Whether (as individuals) our choices take us to the paradigm of the neo human (transhumanism) or homo galactacus (what I believe we're becoming), either way, we're the last ones. There's no stopping the great change, there's only the choice of which way to go.

http://kevinrobison.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/love-or-fear-its-your-choice.jpg

https://mariebliss.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/tumblr_m6xrfj24bi1qmlrx8o1_500.jpg

[greybeard]

Dr David Hawkins also pointed to a shift in human consciousness-- he called the new variety Homo-spiritus.
Who knows it may be happening---a may be so.
Simon Atkins thinks that this September will see a galactic wave doing exactly this.
Thanks to Transients for the info.
http://www.transients.info/2015/06/the-frequency-shift-into-september-2015.html

Thread on Avalon

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83226-Things-to-come.&p=973329&viewfull=1#post973329

Chris

[Guish]

The wise man looks into space,
and does not regard the small as too little,
nor the great as too much;
for he knows that there is no limit to dimensions.
- Lao Tzu

[Wind]

"The high moods created in meditation must be brought into contact with the personal daily life, must bear fruit there; and although this happens anyway quite automatically to some extent, it could happen to a much larger extent if turned into a conscious deliberate process."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Meggings]

From above quote - "to bear fruit there" -

This fruit was born at midnight last night:

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Which ripened into this fruit a few minutes ago:

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[Innocent Warrior]

From "Dissolving the ego, Realizing the self", by David Hawkins, a few quotes...


The ego is not the real “you”; it was inherited as part of being born a human. It basically originates from the animal world, and the evolution of consciousness happened through the primitive stages of mankind’s evolution, so it could be said that to seek enlightenment is to recapitulate the history of human evolution.


To the ego, abandoning the self-reward dynamic is looked upon as a loss. the ego does not trust god and thereby thinks it has only itself to turn to for sustenance, survival, and pleasure. The ego has faith in its own mechanisms and not in god. It should not be faulted for this error because it has no experiential basis for comparison. Its only way out is with faith that there is a better way. It hears a spiritual truth and begins to search for it when the mind becomes disillusioned with its own fallacies and failure to achieve happiness. It finally realizes that the grim satisfaction it squeezes out of pain is a poor substitute for joy.


On its own, the ego would never seek salvation . . . the mechanism for salvation is via the will, which invites the intervention of Divinity.

These quotes are from Part 1, "The “self” (ego/Mind)", PDF of this section here (http://promos.hayhouse.com/tools/blogs/pdf/hawkins.david_print_dissolving-the-ego_intro-ch1.pdf).

[Wind]

"The goodness which one man may express in his relation to another is derived ultimately from his own divine soul and is an unconscious recognition of, as well as gesture to, the same divine presence in that other. Moreover, the degree to which anyone becomes conscious of his true self is the degree to which he becomes conscious of it in others. Consequently, the goodness of the fully illumined man is immeasurably beyond that of the conventionally moral man."

"If the Infinite Being is trying to express its own nature within the limitations of this earth--and therefore trying to express itself through us, too--it is our highest duty to search for and cultivate our diviner attributes. Only in this way do we really fulfil ourselves. This search and this cultivation constitute the Quest."

"Resurrection--to die and live again--is a symbol.
It means to leave the ego and enter the Overself in full consciousness."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Guish]

"The goodness which one man may express in his relation to another is derived ultimately from his own divine soul and is an unconscious recognition of, as well as gesture to, the same divine presence in that other. Moreover, the degree to which anyone becomes conscious of his true self is the degree to which he becomes conscious of it in others. Consequently, the goodness of the fully illumined man is immeasurably beyond that of the conventionally moral man."

"If the Infinite Being is trying to express its own nature within the limitations of this earth--and therefore trying to express itself through us, too--it is our highest duty to search for and cultivate our diviner attributes. Only in this way do we really fulfil ourselves. This search and this cultivation constitute the Quest."

"Resurrection--to die and live again--is a symbol.
It means to leave the ego and enter the Overself in full consciousness."

~ Paul Brunton

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11659229_661369277332974_5017748856676759736_n.jpg?oh=b5c8d4e626f919b9a894ada904172b6c&oe=562B53BA

Very true. Spirituality is beyond moral values, beyond right or wrong. The further we go, the lighter we feel and the more light we give away.

[Guish]

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[Wind]

I used to have a big Buddha poster, although I would not say that I'm more Buddhist than a Christian, I've been both before. Now I am that I am.


"The core pointing is by every means to dis-identify from this construct called a ‘person’,
which is the belief that ‘I am my body’ and ‘I am my conditioning', my up-bringing…I am my thoughts and feelings..’ You MUST go beyond this!

The ‘person’ does not really exist. It’s just a belief – a state of mind that arises in Consciousness.

As you begin to discover yourself as Consciousness then your life becomes much more bright, much more alive,
much more transparent, much more true. And joy enters your heart, and peace and love. Real love.
Not the love that goes looking for love. The love that is like the sun’s light and radiance."

~ Mooji

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[Wind]

The mind will never run out of inventive ways to keep you running about chasing the wind.
But I have one medicine for everything: Stay as the unchanging Self.

Who has the intuition or courage to follow this?

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Be nothing and everything good can happen
Be empty so that you can be filled with joy
Be unshakable so that they can't move you
Do it till you realise that there was never anything to move you
There was never anything to harm you
Go beyond anything that can be perceived as something
Go far till you realise you never really had to move

[Wind]

The strength of the problems we feel we face are
directly in proportion to the strength of personal identity in us.
But you are neither of these things.
This is the simplest and the most crucial point and pointing,
but it is overlooked again and again.
Out of habit, we assume the position of a person who has such and such a problem and situation,
but we are only identifying with the idea and memory of an imagined someone who had,
have and may have a problem - past, present and future.
Everything and everyone on your path comes only for your freedom, to point you,
consciously or unconsciously, beyond the ever-changing realm of illusions.
Keep quiet, and discover the place in you which is unmoving.
It is the already perfect Self, untouched and unalterable.
Know: I am both that which shines as conscious presence and its root which is unborn Awareness.

~ Mooji

[bodhibeth]

Hi Matt,
I choose to view it from the animals side of things. For me, I'm a vegetarian. I can't and won't choose for anyone else.
To thine own self be true :)
Beth

[greybeard]

Welcome here bodibeth--thanks for your contribution
Love Chris

[bodhibeth]

Really good. Thanks for posting

[Guish]

I'll give a small kick to the thread. It's been dormant a bit.

The Egg
You have died.

You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident, nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that’s when you met me.

“What.. What happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”

“You died” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

“There was a.. a truck and it was skidding…”

“Yup.” I said.

“I.. I died?”

“Yup, but don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies.” I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”

“More or less.” I said.

“Are you God?” You asked.

“Yup.” I replied. “I am God.”

“My kids.. my wife,” You said.

“What about them?”

“Will they be alright?”

“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “..you just died and your main concern is your family. That’s good stuff right there.”


You looked at me with fascination.

To you I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

“Don’t worry.” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

“Oh,” You said. “.. so what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

“Neither.” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”

“Ah,” You said. “.. So the Hindus were right.”

“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “.. walk with me.”


You followed along as we strode through the void.

“Where are we going?”

“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “.. It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders.

“Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.”

“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for a long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”

“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”

“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your Universe. Things are different where I come from.”

“Where you come from?” You said.

“Oh sure,” I explained. “.. I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”

“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “.. but wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”

“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”

“So what’s the point of it all?”

“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You are asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

“Well it’s a reasonable question,” You persisted.


I looked you in the eye.

“The meaning of life, the reason I made this Whole Universe, is for YOU to mature.”

“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

“No, just YOU. I made this Whole Universe for YOU. With each new life YOU grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”

“Just me? What about everyone else?”

“There is no one else,” I said. “.. in This Universe, there’s just YOU and ME.”

You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on Earth…”

“All you. Different incarnations of YOU.”

“Wait. I’m everyone!?”

“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

“I’m every human being who ever lived?”

“Or who will ever live, yes.”

“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.

“And you are the millions he killed.”

“I’m Jesus?”

“And you’re everyone who followed him.”

You fell silent.

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “.. You were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by YOU.”


You thought for a long time.

“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”

“Because someday, YOU will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”

“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

“So the Whole Universe,” You said, “.. it’s just…”

“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

And I sent you on your way.

By: Andy Weir


Conclusion

The feeling you feel right now like you are levitating over yourself that’s your mind being blown. Elevated. You’ve Ascended to a whole new level.


I wish you have a mirror right now to see your face ��

And yes, it is inevitable to think about this when you meet someone else.

You will start questioning yourself “Can my mother, or my brother, my kid, my wife, my best friend, all be me?” You’ll think of this when you talk with them

You’ll start questioning even more, “Can this sexy waitress, or Leonardo DiCaprio, or Ghandi, all those terrorists, politicians, soldiers who died in wars, my boss.. could all of them be really ME?”

But that’s ok.

Question. Question everything and everyone.

Start seeing The Universe through this prism. Start seeing The World and everyone in it with this eye.

Imagine if we all saw each other like this. As one.

So what if this is just a story, it’s the story we believe in that matters. And maybe it’s time to change the story and accept new one. A story which will make The World a better place.

It’s not which story is true. ALL OF THEM ARE.

It’s which story makes YOU a better person. A GOD.
Source: http://www.wisethinks.com/2015/07/the-egg-warning-this-story-will-blow.html#sthash.UFLpAQGJ.dpuf

[Guish]

Besides the noble art of getting things done,
there is the noble art of leaving things undone.
The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials.
- Lin Yutang

[greybeard]

Thanks for bumping Guish
I was away at my Son's wedding.
Lovely American girl Erin now part of the family.
Her folks came over--they are great.
Was a wonderful day--sunny in every way.
A humanistic ceremony-- basically love,support each other, but allow each to be as they are.
Very moving vows.

So there you have it.

Love Chris

[Wind]

There is a gem rarely seen in this world.
This gem is one whose heart is free of desire
but is full of Love for Truth.
Such a being shines with the light and presence of the Supreme Lord.

Find him within yourself.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

O
Thanks for bumping Guish
I was away at my Son's wedding.
Lovely American girl Erin now part of the family.
Her folks came over--they are great.
Was a wonderful day--sunny in every way.
A humanistic ceremony-- basically love,support each other, but allow each to be as they are.
Very moving vows.

So there you have it.

Love Chris

That's excellent news. I'm very happy for you.

[Wind]

Some good and timely quotes here.


When mind tells you you're not there yet, it's hiding the fact that you're right where you should be.
When mind tells you you've arrived, you're not there yet.

Don't trust the mind.

~ Mooji


That He gave of old is as new today as it was in the beginning of man's relationship or seeking to know the will of God,
if ye will but call on Him within thine inner Self!
Know that thy body is the temple of the living God.
There He has promised to meet thee!

~ Edgar Cayce


Sometimes in order to help He makes us cry. Happy the eye that sheds tears for His sake. Fortunate the heart that burns for His sake.
Laughter always follows tears. Blessed are those who understand. Life blossoms wherever water flows. Where tears are shed divine mercy is shown.

~ Rumi


"He who has helped himself to inner strength and knowledge, outer health and spiritual energy, becomes a positive force in the world,
able to assist others instead of asking assistance from them. Self-salvation must come first."

~ Paul Brunton

[Guish]

Right thoughts and right actions should go together. Careful because it's not about morality. Intellectual spirituality or emotional devotion. Proper meditation to harmonise the two is very important as well. If one longs for spirituality, it's still the mind. Being spiritual just happens effortlessly. Even when hell breaks loose, tackle it by being effortless and calm. The world want a reaction and your ego wants a reaction. An action occurring on its own is a sign of salvation.

[Wind]

No one has the power to make you unhappy or miserable.
Mainly, we do this by ourselves. Happiness is our real nature.
Sadness comes mostly through habit and through identification with the personal self.
We can be happy every moment but mostly, due to habit,
we choose to focus on what makes us unhappy and so lose or hide our natural joy.
Develop the excellent attitude of gratitude to all of existence.
Overlook petty thoughts, worries and troubles—the bitter and the sweet.
Instantly, you will begin feeling uplifted in your spirit and in a short time you will begin seeing life through brighter,
wiser and more loving eyes.

Start today.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

No one has the power to make you unhappy or miserable.
Mainly, we do this by ourselves. Happiness is our real nature.
Sadness comes mostly through habit and through identification with the personal self.
We can be happy every moment but mostly, due to habit,
we choose to focus on what makes us unhappy and so lose or hide our natural joy.
Develop the excellent attitude of gratitude to all of existence.
Overlook petty thoughts, worries and troubles—the bitter and the sweet.
Instantly, you will begin feeling uplifted in your spirit and in a short time you will begin seeing life through brighter,
wiser and more loving eyes.

Start today.

~ Mooji

Every time I read things like this, I think about my son. He's 2 years old and hasn't been corrupted by the outside world yet. He's so happy when he does very simple things. All children are zen masters.

[ThePythonicCow]

As suggested by an anonymous admirer of this thread, this thread has hereby been made sticky.

[Guish]

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Sufi songs have been created and sung and they are most of the time about love and god. This one is from a Pakistani Rock band and the music is awesome as well. Since I'm a drummer and Chris a singer, I think it's nice to put it up here.

[Wind]

"It's usual that people seek to avoid a broken heart, and live in broken-heartedness.
When you allow the heart to be broken over and over, there is living in love. Let the whole world break your heart."

- Gangaji

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[Guish]

"It's usual that people seek to avoid a broken heart, and live in broken-heartedness.
When you allow the heart to be broken over and over, there is living in love. Let the whole world break your heart."

- Gangaji

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A heart won't break if one loves with detachment. The soul can't be destroyed. Why feel pain, my Friend?

[Guish]

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[Wind]

Your drive for freedom will bring up whatever is hidden within you.
Resistances, doubts, egoic tendencies will come to the surface.
Look at them, and with the skill that you have aquired in satsang, you will transcend them.
You will see them for what they are, for your eyes see from the true position.
That's all.
Now you will come to a clarity.
It may take some time for your mind to stabilise in the heart's stillness, but this is also a sweetness.

Allow some time for this divine maturing.
It is a great joy.

~ Mooji

[Philaletheian]

A really good video from Sadhguru
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[greybeard]

Welcome to the thread Philaletheian and thanks for the video.

Chris

[Guish]

A really good video from Sadhguru
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The highlight of the video is identification with thoughts. Once one doesn't identify, one becomes still. The essence of spirituality is to not control. When you sit to meditate, you don't try to control and you don't set objectives. You simply exist. This state is the no mind state because you are not your thoughts there but something else. No thought can be achieved when one moves to higher planes of consciousness. The funny thing is one ends up controlling one's life while giving up control.

[Meggings]

A really good video from Sadhguru
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I enjoyed listening to that, Philalethian. When the video started I was feeling messed up from husband's irritation; before it finished I had a smile on my face seeing all the ego energies playing their games. His metaphor of enjoying traffic if you are high above it looking down, but not enjoying it when you are caught in traffic, is spot on.

[Wind]

"When you discover the self, it’s all purity, all joy, all light. Free of desire. The one who is free of desire is rich, is complete, is content, is happy. This is our final discovery, our ultimate truth. Our profound understanding, and this is the good news, I feel, to human kind and all beings. Our inmost truth.

May your heart never be shrouded by ignorance or arrogance, but be freed from the veils of delusion. And be happy."

~ Mooji

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[Guish]

Walking is Zen, sitting is Zen.
Then what will be the quality?
Watchfully alert, joyously unmotivated,
centered, loving, flowing, one walks.
And the walking is sauntering.
Loving, alert, watchful, one sits, unmotivated -
not sitting for anything in particular,
just enjoying how beautiful
just sitting doing nothing is,
how relaxing, how restful.
- Osho

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[Meggings]

Another thought I'd wanted to add to the "How Do You Stop The Mind's Chatter?" is to take up any sort of art or craft. The mind naturally goes peaceful, and for hours at a time. A triangular piece of cardboard, brush and paints became a little focused piece of heaven as the metallic paint reflected the lamp light just now.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82303-The-Share-Your-Art-Thread&p=976250&viewfull=1#post976250

[Guish]

Any activity done with full attention quiets the mind. I get those moments while driving, watering flowers or playing with my son.

[Wind]

"If humanity has not been gifted with divine consciousness by the sages, it is not only because such a free gift cannot be made. It is also because humanity prefers other things instead. When a questioner suggested to Buddha that he give Nirvana to everyone, Buddha sent him to ask at many houses what the people there wanted most. All desired some material thing or some worldly quality. Nobody desired Nirvana."

"The echoes of our spiritual being come to us all the time. They come in thoughts and things, in music and pictures, in emotions and words. If only we would take up the search for their source and trace them to it, we would recognize in the end the Reality, Beauty, Truth, and Goodness behind all the familiar manifestations."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Guish]

"If humanity has not been gifted with divine consciousness by the sages, it is not only because such a free gift cannot be made. It is also because humanity prefers other things instead. When a questioner suggested to Buddha that he give Nirvana to everyone, Buddha sent him to ask at many houses what the people there wanted most. All desired some material thing or some worldly quality. Nobody desired Nirvana."

"The echoes of our spiritual being come to us all the time. They come in thoughts and things, in music and pictures, in emotions and words. If only we would take up the search for their source and trace them to it, we would recognize in the end the Reality, Beauty, Truth, and Goodness behind all the familiar manifestations."

~ Paul Brunton

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The first time Buddha said that he attained Enlightenment on his own, he was insulted. Everyone thinks that only a master can make someone enlightened. People don't realize that a master helps people to enlighten themselves by being a guide. They do not transform people.

[greybeard]

People would be uplifted in the presence of Ramana--the mind would go quiet but unfortunately when they left it would seem that ego would come back and peace would leave. However there would be an improvement in their disposition as far as I know.
Time spent in Satsang is very important and an aid to "personal" spiritual evolution--time well spent.
Think Osho said three visits to him would make a lasting difference
He listed the possible outcome due to each time spent in his presence.
Cant remember the details though.
I know a lot less than I did years ago--laughing.
Well I don't need to do I---smiling
The pathless path gets narrower and narrower.

I went to see the Crickets Buddy Hollys Band and the singer said.
"We are going to play some songs and I hope you remember them---- I hope we do too."

I have to play and sing with the chords and words on a music stand in front of me know. Lol
Still living the teen dream
Chris

[Guish]

Every time I thought about having a master, something stopped me. Sometimes I see a crowd of people who'd just take anything the master says and I find this dangerous. I like the interaction here and this is why I share here. I know a lot of people who have masters. There are still stuck with their desires and ambitions. Guidance is important in difficult times though. During my Kundalini experience, TraineeHuman gave me valuable advice. There's an inner voice in everyone and this should be followed. The inner voice is heard when the mind becomes quiet. Just make your mind quiet and the world will unfold itself.

[Zampano]

The only guru is the inner guru.
He knows best! She knows best!

ReliokYsGwg

[Wind]

If your arm is cut off, can it run around doing things by itself without you?
So if you are cut off from God, separated from Him, how can you exist?
Your life is the evidence of the presence and reality of God. Why do you doubt this?
The doubter of this is what must be doubted.
He doesn’t exist except as a ghost imagined in the mind of consciousness.
What causes and sustains the feeling of separation
is the persistent perceiving of God as other and not as I, one’s own true Self.
The feeling of separation is only an idea, a seeming. It is dissolved through self-inquiry.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

“I’m not in this world to live up to your expectations and you’re not in this world to live up to mine.” ―Bruce Lee

[greybeard]

I think it great that we have many posts with quotes/videos coming from different teachers on the thread.
Nothing is discounted and there seems to be a commonality in these posts.
All are uplifting and pointing to Truth in their own way.
Much Love
Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

Every time I thought about having a master, something stopped me.

I have a master, my son. :) I'm in satsang mode whenever I'm around children. Out of the mouths of babes.

[Guish]

I have a master, my son. :) I'm in satsang mode whenever I'm around children. Out of the mouths of babes.

The same thing for me. Sidhant is 2 years old and he's empty of any social conditioning. Such a free soul.

[Wind]

My young nieces are like that, young and free. One could say that they are closer to God, because life has not conditioned them enough.

For the ego, self-inquiry is like being soak in sulphuric acid.
When you persistently and genuinely analyse the 'I' sense in the light of self-inquiry,
things cannot continue living in the dark.
As truth reveals itself, untruth will simply dissolve.
The common mistake that is made, even by so-called mature spiritual seekers,
is to become involved with and identified with what keeps arising in one’s consciousness.
But it is not about what keeps arising.
What matters is who you are, the one experiencing it.
In whatever form trouble comes, identity must be looked at first,
for it is here, in the realm of personhood, that the apparent 'becomes' the actual.
By inquiring into the nature of the one in whom all of life appears as a play of contrasts, and recognising that the 'person' is only the most intimately assumed thought arising from consciousness—you sieve yourself out of confusion by discarding the false self-image.
Whatever you perceive phenomenally and whatever you perceive yourself to be will now be seen in the great space of clear seeing.
See and verify: this space, the Self, cannot be stained or injured.
It cannot be troubled or acquire any type of sin or merit or demerit,
for it is formless, infinite and impersonal.
This twist or shift of perception from person to presence to Unborn Awareness,
will be recognised as the work and beatitude of the Supreme grace; the great gesture of the Self to Itself.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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A recent picture of Sid.

[Innocent Warrior]

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A recent picture of Sid.

Aw Guish, Sid is beautiful. :star: And nice rocking horse btw.

[Guish]

“The music is not in the notes but in the silence between them.” - Mozart

[greybeard]

“The music is not in the notes but in the silence between them.” - Mozart

Morcambe and Wise had Andre Previn on as a guest --the piano was played by Morcambe--the tune unrecognisable to Previn's dismay
(He was a conductor)

Morcambe said "Im playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order.

The interval between the notes is what makes the melody--timing is everything.
So is order

Everything comes from the silence

Chris

[Meggings]

I have a master, my son. :) I'm in satsang mode whenever I'm around children. Out of the mouths of babes.

The same thing for me. Sidhant is 2 years old and he's empty of any social conditioning. Such a free soul.

Here we have a granddaughter, one year and 11 months old, who is being raised to be freely in touch with her own inner desires and promptings. This is giving me much to reflect upon within myself as I see social conditioning overlays. It puts me in mind of my surprise years ago on reading a comment made by Dr. Edward Bach (creator of Bach Flower Remedies) who wrote that "health depends on being in harmony with our souls."

This link is to a 1932 paper Dr. Bach wrote called, "Free Thyself". www.bachcentre.com/centre/download/free_thyself_en.php I am going to try to put up a screen shot of an example he gives of healthy freedom. Hope it comes through readable.

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[Wind]

You don’t have to run away from your mind.
On the contrary, it is your psychological mind that has to run away from you.
This is the better perspective or position in this relationship.
And don’t spend a lot of time trying to train mind.
You just discover the truth of yourself and stay as that.

Imagining what we are or should be, we 'become' what we’re not—a 'person', which can be a mischievous entity.
And then, from this assumed and restricted identity, we try to gain clarity and peace, which is already here naturally present within us,
from where even the intention to ‘get it’ is perceived.

Whatever arises, observe without identity or attachment.
Instead of analysing or pursuing, recognise that you are right at the centre of your experiencing as a kind of formless witness.
Keep quiet. Don't combine this self-sense with anything, inwardly or outwardly. Without waiting or expecting anything to happen,
pay full attention to your unmixed presence.


The Truth of who you are is revealing itself as the single reality—the timeless Self.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

I have a master, my son. :) I'm in satsang mode whenever I'm around children. Out of the mouths of babes.

The same thing for me. Sidhant is 2 years old and he's empty of any social conditioning. Such a free soul.

Here we have a granddaughter, one year and 11 months old, who is being raised to be freely in touch with her own inner desires and promptings. This is giving me much to reflect upon within myself as I see social conditioning overlays. It puts me in mind of my surprise years ago on reading a comment made by Dr. Edward Bach (creator of Bach Flower Remedies) who wrote that "health depends on being in harmony with our souls."

This link is to a 1932 paper Dr. Bach wrote called, "Free Thyself". www.bachcentre.com/centre/download/free_thyself_en.php I am going to try to put up a screen shot of an example he gives of healthy freedom. Hope it comes through readable.

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That was beautiful, Meg. Thanks. As parents, we can just offer a stimulating environment and protect our children when needed.

[greybeard]

Conscious TV latest--Non duality interview

http://www.conscious.tv/



Non Duality - Traditions (loaded 13 July 2015)
Reggie Ray - 'Finding Realization In The Body' - Interview by Renate McNay (watch this programme)

http://conscious.tv/nonduality.html?bcpid=45947084001&bclid=46657464001&bctid=4350653936001

Dr. Reginald "Reggie" Ray is the Founder and Spiritual Director of the Dharma Ocean Foundation. He met Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche in 1970, a few weeks after his arrival in the US, and became one of his first American students. After spending time in India he moved to Colorado where he became the first full-time faculty member and chair of the Buddhist Studies. From the beginning of his study with Trungpa Rinpoche, Reggie held many roles in Rinpoche's lineage - student, scholar, meditation instructor, and teacher. Reggie has always combined his study and teaching with a strong meditation practice, including daily practice and annual solitary retreats of 1-3 months each year. He has accumulated some 6-7 years in solitary retreat, in which he has explored all of Trungpa Rinpoche's practice teachings. He has also explored somatic teachings east and west, traditional and modern, such as Yoga and Qi Gung (which he practices today) and traditions such as the work of Gerda Alexander, Rolfing, and Hakomi therapy and therapeutic techniques. He now incorporates much of the wisdom of these earth-based lineages and traditions into his teaching, because, as he says, Vajrayana is essentially an earth-based tradition already. Reggie has written extensively and is the author of several books including "Indestructible Truth", "Secret of the Vajra World" and "Touching Enlightenment - Finding Realization in the Body." "To be awake, to be enlightened, is to be fully and completely embodied. To be fully embodied means to be at one with who we are, in every respect, including our physical being, our emotions, and the totality of our karmic situation."

[Guish]

Renunciation brought immense peace and emptiness to me a long time ago. While I got into my routine(Job and family duties), I was once again contaminated with moods and stress. However, there are things which do not change after a certain spiritual level is achieved. Compassion and selflessness in actions do not leave me. A strong meditation routine is important for me.

[Innocent Warrior]

http://www.trans4mind.com/quotes/spirit-earth.jpg

[Wind]

You say you want to come close
But I am with you nearer than close—beyond close.
Before any beginning, where were you and I?
Before the idea of separation arose, we are one. This is truth.
And it is so beautiful, this unity of being. Why not enjoy together in oneness?
We are not in any competition so fear will not be here.
Enjoy the splendour of discovering the unity of God.

~ Mooji

[Meggings]

From a fellow I know, a college prof for 25 years.

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[Wind]

Someone may turn to you for help
and you think, ‘I don’t think I can do this.’
Then you may ask, ‘Why does the universe
send someone to me knowing I cannot handle it?’
You will not be able to handle it if you have been
claiming and thinking, ‘I can handle everything.’
On the contrary, you may find things get taken care of
in spite of you thinking, ‘I cannot do anything.’

Everyone gets tested in life, you see?
And so much will be drawn to the surface.
You will speak words and act in ways that are totally 'out of character'
or unpredictable to the idea you have of who you are.
Then you come to bear witness,
to see and confess that some greater power is here.
Let it be called Grace.
And it is That which has stepped in somehow and saved the day.
Not the person, not the mind.
And from this understanding and insight,
so much power flows out, so much true surrender.
Because surrendering doesn’t merely happen by saying, ‘I want to surrender,’
it happens when you are called upon to serve and you start to see your littleness,
your excuses and avoidances. But a great voice is calling
from the depths of your being though appearing as if outside.

Now you are encouraged to drop that personal garbage, the ‘I’ excuse.
Because someone in greater need is in front of you.
Then you must stand up and say, ‘Yes, if I fail then I must fail trying.’
That is surrender.
That is practical surrender.
When help is asked for, guidance is sought from you, and you don’t know anything —what a powerful Satsang.
You are compelled to admit: I knew nothing and yet a being responded,
‘Thank you for rescuing me.’ Where did this power come from, you see?
Therefore, don’t say what you cannot do or can do.
Just be empty and present.

Let God’s breath move through you.

~ Mooji

[Meggings]

"...if I fail then I must fail trying..."

Thank you, Wind, for the reminder to never give up - Winston Churchill's mantra to "keep sodding on".

[Wind]

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http://i.imgur.com/M7KvZgo.jpg

[Guish]

Someone may turn to you for help
and you think, ‘I don’t think I can do this.’
Then you may ask, ‘Why does the universe
send someone to me knowing I cannot handle it?’
You will not be able to handle it if you have been
claiming and thinking, ‘I can handle everything.’
On the contrary, you may find things get taken care of
in spite of you thinking, ‘I cannot do anything.’

Everyone gets tested in life, you see?
And so much will be drawn to the surface.
You will speak words and act in ways that are totally 'out of character'
or unpredictable to the idea you have of who you are.
Then you come to bear witness,
to see and confess that some greater power is here.
Let it be called Grace.
And it is That which has stepped in somehow and saved the day.
Not the person, not the mind.
And from this understanding and insight,
so much power flows out, so much true surrender.
Because surrendering doesn’t merely happen by saying, ‘I want to surrender,’
it happens when you are called upon to serve and you start to see your littleness,
your excuses and avoidances. But a great voice is calling
from the depths of your being though appearing as if outside.

Now you are encouraged to drop that personal garbage, the ‘I’ excuse.
Because someone in greater need is in front of you.
Then you must stand up and say, ‘Yes, if I fail then I must fail trying.’
That is surrender.
That is practical surrender.
When help is asked for, guidance is sought from you, and you don’t know anything —what a powerful Satsang.
You are compelled to admit: I knew nothing and yet a being responded,
‘Thank you for rescuing me.’ Where did this power come from, you see?
Therefore, don’t say what you cannot do or can do.
Just be empty and present.

Let God’s breath move through you.

~ Mooji

How true. I just realised that the last year or so people have been coming to me to seek spiritual guidance. There's even one lady who thinks that I'm her angel and she just keeps asking me all sorts of questions and I always seem to have an answer that satisfies her. It must me what Mooji is talking about.

[Guish]

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[Meggings]

Don’t belittle yourself nor raise yourself high.
Don’t say who you are, for you don't know even that.
Just remain empty of identity and intention.
Keep quiet.

Let Truth reveal who you are.

~ Mooji

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Does he not look endearing in this photo of him?
One wants to move quietly closer and sit beside him, sharing the silence.

[Guish]

Don’t belittle yourself nor raise yourself high.
Don’t say who you are, for you don't know even that.
Just remain empty of identity and intention.
Keep quiet.

Let Truth reveal who you are.

~ Mooji

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Does he not look endearing in this photo of him?
One wants to move quietly closer and sit beside him, sharing the silence.

The silence and presence seem to be intoxicating.

[Zampano]

The Absolute...its always right here.
Always accessible....doesnt matter what the circumstances may be!

[Meggings]

Some like me need reminding now and then...

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This I found in my partner's email the week he died; a musician had sent it to him from Los Angeles. My partner never gave up, never ceased caring, and never saw this email attachment.

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[Wind]

"The ego is a knot tied in the psyche of our inner being, itself being compounded from a number of smaller knots. There is nothing fresh to be gathered in, for b-e-i-n-g is always there, but something is to be undone, untied.

"Inside ourselves there is not one ego but several. We live in a condition of recurring feelings that successively contradict one another, deny each other, or shame each other. The "I" is really torn into pieces, each claiming ascendency but none holding it permanently. The animal, the human, and the angel jostle elbows in our hearts. We are degraded today, elevated tomorrow. The quest seeks to integrate all these different egos.

"So long as the ego's rule is preserved, so long will the karmic tendencies which come with it be preserved. But when its rule is weakened they too will automatically be starved and weakened. To start this process, start trying to take an impersonal detached view.

"Egoism, the limiting of consciousness to individual life as separate from the one infinite life, is the last barrier to the attainment of unity with the infinite life."

"The tightness with which we hold on to the ego and thus separate ourselves from the Overself's life and the tenseness with which we shut ourselves in the old miserably limited existence are the results of habit. If we are to escape from it into the free creativity of the greater life, we will have to break its vicious circle.

This may be enforced upon us by the shock of drastic events or it may be made possible for us by the grace of an illumined man or it may be achieved by us through the determined arousal of a desperate will. Whichever way it happens, it will be the beginning of the end for the ego and the beginning of the best for ourselves."

"The ego simulates some of the Overself's qualities and reflects some of its consciousness. But the image which is thus created is a false one."

"But why must the mind be stilled, it will be asked, to know God? Because God moves in and through the universe itself so silently and in such stillness that atheists doubt whether this divine power is really there. In the state of rapt mental quiet, the human mind approaches the divine mind and, as the quietness deepens, is able to make its first conscious contact with it.

"Meditation may begin as a dialogue between the meditator and his imagined higher self; it may pass beyond that into a real dialogue with his Overself. But if he is to go farther all dialogue must cease, all attempt to communicate must end in the Stillness."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Meggings]

ah, so sorry, see pic is chopped badly, but you get the drift I'm sure.

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[Innocent Warrior]

"If there were no eyes in this world the sun would not be light. You evoke light out of the universe, in the same way you, by virtue of having a soft skin, invoke hardness out of wood..."
~ Alan Watts (quote from video)

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[Wind]

Concerning the mysteries of the Self: better you don’t 'know',
presume or assume anything but instead, merge your being fully in Him and let Him, God, show you.

~ Mooji

[Zampano]

Hmm, it is all about seeing what you are...all relgions in the core say the same thing!
You are not the individual-you are what is in any single moment. Realising it, may takes practice....
And here we go back to the big question....what am I? Do the process, discover it, over and over.

Over and over until there is no thing left...it may seem boring, emptiness or nothingness
See and fee

Be honest in your practice...do it with the greatest dedication!l

[Guish]

Concerning the mysteries of the Self: better you don’t 'know',
presume or assume anything but instead, merge your being fully in Him and let Him, God, show you.

~ Mooji

There's no merging. No me and no him. The true nature was just convered with social conditioning, identities and mental confusion. There's no transformation, only realisation.

[Wind]

Emptiness is the greatest freedom.
No person can be in that.
And this is the best absence:
the absence of a person.
Only in this absence is God revealed.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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[Wind]

You say you want to know why your mind still says things to you like, ‘You are unworthy,’
or ‘You don’t deserve freedom and this path is not for you.’ Why does the mind say these things?
Because, quite likely, you are on the verge of an important discovery which could result in the mind losing its grip on you.
It is a though it senses this and gathers all its strength together.
As in the past, it seems to know you are likely to take the bait and respond as the identity you are not.
This bad marriage has been going on since the beginning of time. Like other bad relationships, the ego will not permit you to easily divorce him.
A thought, a spark from the ego-fire strikes, and something is triggered back into identity.
You, the self-doubting presence, log in and the tired old game continues.
All the psychological mind needs to do is to get you to identify as a person.
Though you are the pure Self, the formless and timeless consciousness, you will easily forget this when you become personally identified.
The ego-mind has done enough because from here on you will be 'fighting with yourself'.
But at some point you won’t be so easily deceived anymore.
As you continue to mature through perfect understanding and grace, the ego's voice will lose its influence and hold over you.
You discover you cannot be anything that appears and disappears.
You are the alive, constant and unchanging presence and space in which all phenomena are perceived as a play of transience.
You are the ever-perfect Self forever.

Bless you that this understanding deepens tremendously in your hearing it again today.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

The man who is awakened, lives in such a way
that he leaves no footprints.

[Wind]

Pay attention: when the heart is empty of intention, it is also empty of tension.
And a heart free of tension blesses the whole world.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Body senses can only bring limited happiness.
Everyone knocks against this truth most of the time.
Few people go far and try to find a solution.

[Wind]

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2hf5teg.jpg

[greybeard]

Walking--I notice that when I start a mantra it continues all by itself--even a complex one like the the Gayatri
Some times thoughts arise with out disturbing the mantra.
Awareness is aware of the thoughts and the mantra at the same time--sometimes I have a wondrous thought about this and this thought---all three continue in awareness.

This is proof enough for "me" that Awareness is prime/first/constant--without the need of anything to be aware of when silent awareness resumes independent of all the "traffic" in the head. Thought "traffic" comes and goes and is therefore separate from Self.

Ch

[Guish]

Thank you Chris. There are random thoughts thrown around because the mind is like a Zoo. However, there are thoughts which are uplifting and have a different vibration to them if I allow myself to use the word vibration. The quieter the mind is, easier it is for someone to differentiate between these low level and high level thoughts. The seeker will know the difference with practice. In my experience, I sometimes experience thoughts which give me a nice burning sensation in the body and fill me with bliss. I can't go wrong there. I also realised that it's important to keep the momentum. I spent the last few weeks not meditating and just going through the daily hassle. I found out that I lost the calming presence I had. Being someone who knows the real potential I had, I found it more stressful. I was on the verge of blowing out of anger/stress yesterday. The mind will always back stab.

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[greybeard]

Calibrations (Muscle tested) by the late Dr David Hawkins.
A very full list here.
Supplied by Nancy Bragin

http://nancybragin.com/2012/12/29/dr-david-hawkins-calibrated-reading-list/


Cn

[greybeard]

Dr David Hawkins - the Esoteric/Occult etc.
Hawkins tells it as it is.
Basically places not to go.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J8_P33VIhI

[Meggings]

Thank you, Chris, for the calibration link. I note this: "the production of beauty in all its forms" around 540. I cannot NOT create. Here is one, with the acrylic still clarifying to reveal further levels in it. It has no use, no intended purpose, but for the joy in seeing shapes and colours and forms combined to please in the doing of it.

I seemed to be born with a dislike of Freud and a like of Jung - even though a schoolgirl, I knew this. Only recently I've seen I had a lifetime in Vienna when they were there. (Freud < 500; Jung > 500)

Guish has spoken of being here: "Bliss intervenes at this level and worldly activities stop..." around 600.

Further at this level: "all is alive and radiant. Although this world is the same one that is seen by others, it has become ...a dance in which significance and source are overwhelming. There is an infinite silence in the mind, which has stopped conceptualizing." I would say the word choice of 'overwhelming' is not accurate. When I lived in the light for some years I was not overwhelmed. It is true that had my partner not fed me, I would never have thought of food. It is true that I sat and beamed, that everything radiated a slightly gold light, and that I did not converse, but did respond now and then to questions.

I have been in Christ consciousness at times. Bliss descends often and I must pause for it. Everyday acts become devotional, though not consciously so - it is that as I move my hands in some action or other I become aware that it is out of love, in love, for love, as if my hands are the hands of god.

"...the third eye opens, physically known as the Pineal Gland. Devotional acts calibrate at 540..."

Yet physical life is distressing. I move away from husband irritation without thought - I simply do not stay. This morning we set alarm to Skype with daughter in Australia. When I spoke to her my voice was too loud for husband and he expressed irritation by word, expression and body language, and I found myself simply walking out of the room. I examined that and saw I had no emotional reaction, but the body/mind/spirit complex that is me removed itself from his energy.

I do not function well in the physical world nowadays. I reach out with openness and find it not ... reciprocated, not understood perhaps. I am losing ability to speak because of teeth infections, which has numbed my nerves. Not having front teeth from last year's fall, coupled with inability to speak well, has made it easier to be brushed off by others. It is interesting to live inside a body and observe this with an inner love.

I read this thread, thoughts occur to me, I may start a response of my experience, but delete it because it seems unnecessary to speak, seeing you all finding your own ways. You are threads of glimmering shimmering colours weaving a dance that I greatly appreciate seeing and following. Though I do not contribute much here, I come here and hold you all within me. (...that does sound odd, but it is close to the way of it - I hold you within an impersonal loving feeling that as I write I sense is somewhere near the heart),

Words do not come as easily as making art does. It has taken a long time to get these words onto paper.

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As I scanned further Chris's link, and saw this: "[850] – The higher Self as Logos." I had to cease, pause, and let the energies settle in my head. Even now minutes later there is pressure on the crown. This is interesting, for I have come to assist the Planetary Logos in her ascension. I realize reading this that all Higher Selves are one. Love has washed me and lingers in faint eddies.

[greybeard]

Meggins thank you dearly for what you have expressed, much of which I experience as far as communication and being in this physical world goes.
I appreciate the gift of being in this world but not of it!!!

Im much less articulate and miss out words when speaking or writing

A prayer
"Beloved I am all alone
No one belongs to me
I belong to no one except you Beloved Lord of my Heart"

Alone is not lonely in this case now.

I read virtually every book by Dr Hawkins and went to a seminar of his at Longbeach.
"Living the Prayer" it was called.
About 500 attended.
I stayed in the conference room for a time afterwards and he came out and shook hands with some of the few remaining.
This self included.

Prior to that I had an extreme fear of heights--standing on a chair produced a cold sweat--anyway the fear dissolved to the point that I went up, the same day, on a carousel, quite a height and enjoyed this immensely. I have a sensible respect of heights now but not fear.

The first year at least of posting on this thread was heavily influenced by the books etc of Dr David Hawkins.
He remains in my heart as a way show-er for me.
His teaching very in depth/detailed.
I dont need that now--most of it forgotten but a lasting influence remains.

Partly because of former "pointers" I get the essence,depth and simplicity of Mooji videos.
This suits me fine.

Much love
Chris

[Meggings]

Dr David Hawkins - the Esoteric/Occult etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J8_P33VIhI

Thanks for giving us Dr. Hawkins to hear and see, Chris. When I was looking around the world eleven years ago for others who might help me understand transcendent experiences, Hawkins was the first person I found. The universe arranged for him to come to Toronto for me to find when I began looking. I comment briefly on his words: "Don't go to the lower astral; you are not equipped to go there."

I don't think I have any experience of lower astral, but I have been in higher levels of it. Let's say, as requirement for this discussion, that there are many levels, and that I had a series of experiences somewhere around mid-level 4D. My soul had me go there awake and awarely with my personality consciousness, and there I found a trapped soul fragment from another lifetime. Apparently (I am guessing), the act of doing so, of understanding, of processing over four days the intense fear that had trapped that aspect, was sufficient to release it. I have no knowledge of this beyond sharing the experience of it.

The point I wish to write about in this post is that I saw murder planned and take place there. The "me" that was observing had no emotional reaction, although I was aware of being in compassion. This experience disturbed me, for I saw ... oh, do I dare say this ... I did see the "head honcho" in-control guy who ordered that a lady be killed, who also tried to entice the aspect of me that was visiting that level to "join him" ... I did see him shape-shift into reptilian form. As Dr. Hawkins says, do not go there, for you are not equipped. In my case, my soul decided I could perform this task, and I felt no harm to me for understanding and love accompanied me, clothed me, in this visit.

That said, I have met one of my beloved cats in 4D. She came bounding up to see me, over grassy hills, and we took off together running along the pathways. But her joy was so great that after greeting me, she just bounded away off in her own little happy world. I knew it was to show me that this happens. Our loved animals can be found re-created in the vastness of 4D.

I have also attended countless meetings in 4D. I first met my beloved there - this was after I'd been called to participate in the first stage of his ascension, about 10 months after he'd died. The ascension process seemed to "release" him so that he could then meet me in 4D. An interesting meeting occurred with him just over a year ago - we'd gathered around a table on which scenes from another lifetime were shown. There were a few people gathered there around the table - one my beloved partner, one my daughter-in-law, one the "Leader" in charge of calling me there. The purpose was to show scenes from a WWII lifetime, and to discuss that other lifetime and some interconnections with the current life being lived here.

Another time I was meeting with some guys and someone walked into the room, said "Is someone burning cotton," and I promptly walked from that 4D place into my 3D body, picked up my pillow that had fallen in front of the radiant heater and was scorching, and then promptly went back into 4D to continue the meeting. It was a seamless transition between levels. But these latter experiences were not in lower astral, not in lower 4D. Indeed, I think/sense that the initial ascension event I was called to occurred in a high level of 4D.

Hoping these few word sketches help in understanding the never-ending vastnesses that exist, that we are part of although there is a veil laid across our minds. Long ago I realized that the veil between higher mind and personality mind is at times a LITTLE, only a very little, permeable in my configuration. In the early years I described myself to myself as having a split mind, but understanding came that it was not "split" but was more akin to being "whole". That the mind that is split for 3D experience was at times for brief instances joined and whole.

I would not want to confuse you, and hope this helps expand horizons.

[greybeard]

Dr. David R. Hawkins - The Principles of Devotional Non-Duality

Dr Hawkins covers a lot in this interview.
This includes how to tell Truth from Falsehood using kinesiology--muscle testing.
Im not able to do this and I suspect few are able to do this successfully unless they have completed a course of training.
However!!!
The main thing is transcending the ego
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIapZaqBrgY

[betoobig]

Dear Meggins, i can just feel unconditional love for you. Thanks button not enough, thanks for sharing and open up my eyes more. Please recive my love now.
BTW i love your paintings, what you do is exactly what i do with the paint... just free it.
LOVE
Juan

PD: coming back to this thread feels like coming back home.

[greybeard]

Welcome home Juan.
Much love
Chris

[Wind]

Meggings, thanks for sharing your experiences, I always love to read your posts with interest and your art is truly amazing!
I love all the contributions in this thread.

Chris, thanks for the David Hawkins video about the occult and lower astral, he knew what he was speaking about.

Also I find the muscle testing intesting, it said on the website;

"From this level [540+] upward, it is the domain of saints, advanced spiritual students, and healers. A capacity for enormous patience and the persistence of a positive attitude in the face of prolonged adversity is characteristic of this level. The hallmark of this state is Compassion."

George Harrison's music calibrates at [540] – which is quite high, no wonder that I like it!
If you see my signature and click Harrison's name, there's one of my favorite songs from him. I just love it.

Here is the full album, the first song is Give Me Love (Give Me Peace On Earth).

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[Guish]

George Harrison is awesome. Thanks windy. I'm not sure if I experienced lower astral but I was able to see shadows moving on the walls of my room after deep meditation. People who know me here know what I hardly talk about supernatural things. I never attracted these things. My theory is that even your spiritual experiences are affected by your soul or personality. Devdat who was Buddha's cousin meditated with Buddha pretending he wanted to be enlightened. He used the powers he got through meditation to kill Buddha but never succeeded. That's the real danger.

[Guish]

Guish has spoken of being here: "Bliss intervenes at this level and worldly activities stop..." around 600.

Further at this level: "all is alive and radiant. Although this world is the same one that is seen by others, it has become ...a dance in which significance and source are overwhelming. There is an infinite silence in the mind, which has stopped conceptualizing." I would say the word choice of 'overwhelming' is not accurate. When I lived in the light for some years I was not overwhelmed. It is true that had my partner not fed me, I would never have thought of food. It is true that I sat and beamed, that everything radiated a slightly gold light, and that I did not converse, but did respond now and then to questions.

That's a bold claim Margaret. I have been in self-denial when it comes to the level I have attained thinking it would be another attempt of the ego. At the same time, it makes perfect sense. There are a couple of people who have entered my life and they have taken me as their guru. It could be the universe's way of saying that it's time for me to alleviate the pain of others. One of the ladies completely changed under my guidance. Just like you, the pressure on the crown Chakra continuously come and I have to deal with it.

[Wind]

Life does not make decisions.
The universe is not planning itself.
It just unfolds.
Look at this plant.
It is without concern.
It does not say, 'I think in a few days I will put a new leaf just here to my left.'
The plant is not thinking.
Its life is a spontaneous unfolding.
Like this plant, our lives can unfold in effortless Grace and joy.
Be open to the spontaneous. Trust and you will expand in trust, intuitive wisdom and natural joy.

~ Mooji

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[greybeard]

Everything has potential
The flower needs a suitable environment to reach its full potential.
It is perfect moment by moment from seed to full growth or not as the case may be.
At any moment growth may cease but it is perfect in that moment.
Nothing is causing the growth but it needs nourished by its environment and flowers loved are more likely to reach their full bloom/potential in all its glory.

Are we not the same?

Surrender to Divine/Self Love and see what happens.

With love
Chris

[Guish]

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[Wind]

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[Innocent Warrior]

Excerpt from The Power of Now, from the section, Toward a different order of reality, by Eckhart Tolle.

Remember that your perception of the world is a reflection of your state of consciousness. You are not separate from it, and there is no objective world out there. Every moment, your consciousness creates the world that you inhabit. One of the greatest insights that has come out of modern physics is that of the unity between the observer and the observed: the person conducting the experiment - the observing consciousness - cannot be separated from the observed phenomena, and a different way of looking causes the observed phenomena to behave differently. If you believe, on a deep level, in separation and the struggle for survival, then you see that belief reflected all around you and your perceptions are governed by fear. You inhabit a world of death and of bodies fighting, killing, and devouring each other.

Nothing is what it seems to be. The world that you create and are through the ego mind may seem a very imperfect place, even a vale of tears. But whatever you perceive is only a kind of symbol, like an image in a dream. It is how your consciousness interprets and interacts with the molecular energy dance of the universe. This energy is the raw material of so-called physical reality. You see it in terms of bodies and birth and death, or as a struggle for survival. An infinite number of completely different interpretations, completely different worlds, is possible and, in fact, exists - all depending on the perceiving consciousness. Every being is a focal point of consciousness, and every such focal point creates its own world, although all those worlds are interconnected. There is a human world, an ant world, a dolphin world and so on. There are countless beings whose consciousness frequency is so different from yours that you are probably unaware of their existence, as they are of yours. Highly conscious beings who are aware of their connectedness with the Source and with each other would inhabit a world that to you would appear as a heavenly realm - an yet all worlds are ultimately one.

Our collective human world is largely created through the level of consciousness we call mind. Even within the collective human world there are vast differences, many different "sub-worlds," depending on the perceivers or creators of their respective worlds. Since all worlds are interconnected when collective human consciousness becomes transformed, nature and the animal kingdom will reflect that transformation. Hence the statement in the Bible that in the coming age "The lion shall lie down with the lam." This points to the possibility of a completely different order of reality.

The world as it appears to us now is, as I said, largely a reflection of the ego mind. Fear being an unavoidable consequence of egoic delusion, it is a world dominated by fear. Just as the images in a dream are symbols of inner states and feelings, so our collective reality is largely a symbolic expression of fear and of the heavy layers of negativity that have accumulated in the collective reality is largely a symbolic expression of fear of the human psyche. We are not separate from our world, so when the majority of humans become free of ego delusion, this inner change will affect all of creation. You will literally inhabit a new world. It is a shift in planetary consciousness. The strange Buddhist saying that every blade of grass will eventually become enlightened points to the same truth. According to St Paul, the whole of the creation is waiting for humans to become enlightened. That is how I interpret his saying that "The created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God's sons to be revealed." St Paul goes on to say that all of creation will become redeemed through this: "Up to the present...the whole created universe in all its parts groans as if in the pangs of childbirth."


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[greybeard]

Wow Rachael big thank you.

I had forgotten how good "The Power of Now" is.
It is quite predictive.

As I have posted before,
I saw Eckhart in London at St James Church--it holds a lot--they were queuing up at the door--many had just to stay outside, not enough room.
Anyway he said that humanity was on the verge of the biggest change in evolution since we left the sea and became land "Animals"
That was just after the "Power of Now" hit the no 1 spot on the New York Times best seller list.
A spiritual book hitting no ! is an event in itself.
Then there was the Oprah Show where he went through a chapter of his book "A New Earth" each week, on average 5 Million free videos of this were down loaded every week.--If I remember correctly.

The Collective Consciousness is evolving rapidly.
In a Holy instant--a blink of the eye we could see a New Earth
May this be so

Much love
Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

My pleasure Chris.

I was going through the book, looking for my favourite part (about the different portals to the now), came across that part (previous post) and shared that instead. It's a beauty. How cool that you went to see him, I'd love to sit with him for a while.


In a Holy instant--a blink of the eye we could see a New Earth
May this be so

This is a delicious thought, I hope so. :)

:heart:

[Wind]

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[Meggings]

From Rachael and Chris:

"Excerpt from The Power of Now, from the section, Toward a different order of reality, by Eckhart Tolle.

Remember that your perception of the world is a reflection of your state of consciousness. You are not separate from it, and there is no objective world out there. Every moment, your consciousness creates the world that you inhabit."

I have seen the world as it is dissolve in golden light.
I have seen my body become one of golden light.
I know the body is not real.
I have flown free as a thought through dimensions, past planets, past many suns.
I am not my body. I am unfettered awareness.

Yet still I am clothed in the illusion, still I live within the illusion, and still my body is attacked and my life force drained.

It is a perplexity that one can be high yet be brought low.
It is a beauty that one can be low and yet be brought high.

[Guish]

I am not my body. I am unfettered awareness.

Yet still I am clothed in the illusion, still I live within the illusion, and still my body is attacked and my life force drained.

It is a perplexity that one can be high yet be brought low.
It is a beauty that one can be low and yet be brought high.

If reality was an illusion, you'd not be attacked. While it's important to recognise that the spirit drives the body, the body should be in a good shape in order to let the spirit express itself. Tibetan monks developed exercises with a focus on deep breathing and stretching. This was because both the body and the spirit are important. The body is perishable but it's the temple of your soul at the same time.

[Meggings]

"It is a perplexity that one can be high yet be brought low.
It is a beauty that one can be low and yet be brought high."

Guish writes: If reality was an illusion, you'd not be attacked.

Paradox is a sign of truth.
The holding of both sides of duality is the synthesis of wisdom, it is divinity itself.

You say if reality were an illusion, I would not be attacked. Yet reality is a mind construct, and I have experientially risen higher and seen "what is" dissolve. Reality both is, and is not, illusion. It depends upon from what point of awareness you look upon things.

Forgive me, Guish, for not seeing how your response to what I wrote carries the thought further and expands on it. It seemed rather to put a kind of wall there, a disconnect. If I am not perceiving your meaning clearly, please clarify.

[Wind]

Attacks... I can relate to that. I know what drove and has kept me on the spiritual path, but I refuse to be a victim of my circumstances, as I am the world.
It's just that my experiences have made me see certain things. Have they made me a better person? I don't know, but slowly and surely they have eroded my ego... And yet I still have a long way to go.

"It is easy for troubled persons to fall into a neurotic self-pity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_4XHWau5J4), to brood tensely over the picture of their personal miseries. They are doing what is right in a way which is wrong. It is right to analyse troubles so as to understand how and why they have arisen. But this should be done casually, impersonally, and with special reference to the faults or weaknesses which have caused or contributed to the arising. The lesson should be learnt, the resolve to do better in future taken. Then the absorption in such a gloomy topic should be brought to an end. The light of hope and faith and surrender should be let in."

"The aspirant who depends solely on his own unaided efforts at self-improvement will nevertheless one day feel the need of an outside power to bestow what he cannot get by himself. The task he has undertaken cannot be perfectly done or completely done by himself alone. He will eventually have to go down on his knees and beg for Grace. The ego cannot save itself. Why? Because secretly it does not want to do so, for that would mean its own extinction. So unless he forces it to seek for Grace, all his endeavours will bring him only a partial result, never a fully satisfactory one. Those who say that the idea of Grace violates the concept of universal law do not look into it deeply enough. For then they would see that, on the contrary, it fulfils the law of the individual mind's effort, which they believe in, by complementing it with the law of the Universal Mind's activity inside the individual, which they ought also to believe in. God cannot be separated from man. The latter does not live in a vacuum."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Innocent Warrior]

Guish wrote;


If reality was an illusion, you'd not be attacked.

How about this, physical reality is illusory but the experience is real, your thoughts?

Meggings, I enjoyed your post (read it out to my friend actually), the same issue is yet to cease perplexing me.

You wrote this;


Forgive me, Guish, for not seeing how your response to what I wrote carries the thought further and expands on it. It seemed rather to put a kind of wall there, a disconnect.

Ah, it's neither an expansion on your thought nor wall, more like adding his view, which differs from yours, perhaps for discussion, he then flows on from his view into suggestions. That's how I took it, hope that clears it up a bit.

[Guish]

"It is a perplexity that one can be high yet be brought low.
It is a beauty that one can be low and yet be brought high."

Guish writes: If reality was an illusion, you'd not be attacked.

Paradox is a sign of truth.
The holding of both sides of duality is the synthesis of wisdom, it is divinity itself.

You say if reality were an illusion, I would not be attacked. Yet reality is a mind construct, and I have experientially risen higher and seen "what is" dissolve. Reality both is, and is not, illusion. It depends upon from what point of awareness you look upon things.

Forgive me, Guish, for not seeing how your response to what I wrote carries the thought further and expands on it. It seemed rather to put a kind of wall there, a disconnect. If I am not perceiving your meaning clearly, please clarify.

I agree with what you say but just wanted to put a warning. In ancient India, Sages used to starve themselves to death because the body was considered as the barrier of the spirit and they just were absorbed in spirit through meditation. While it's true that only the soul is non-perishable and real, rejecting the body or not taking care of it is not good because we express ourselves using the body. It's a duty to exercise the body and keep it healthy. There's so much talk about not being the body but the latter is vital to operate in the 3d world. Just like you, I had the phase where I had to force myself to eat to keep the body alive because there was no need for it or no desire to eat. So I can understand that.

[Guish]

How about this, physical reality is illusory but the experience is real, your thoughts?

Just like Matrix. Pretty much. The thing is if you believe something exists, reality will give it to you and this will make you believe it exists. If you believe that bad people exist, they will come to you. Hence, the importance of being empty when it comes to beliefs and just observe and know the eternal laws.

[greybeard]

Was listening to Adyashanti
He was saying, more or less, that the moment you identify with a spiritual experience--there is an "I" having it, then you are back on the wheel of misery.
He is also clear, there is no person, there never was.
Nothing is personal, if you go deep enough with Self Enquiry,"Who am I?" eventually you come to there is no I only "That"
That talk is called "Enlightenment Straight Up"
Some-One got it on Pirate Bay.

One definition that my be helpful. You are form, formless, both and neither.

Much Love
Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

How about this, physical reality is illusory but the experience is real, your thoughts?

Just like Matrix. Pretty much. The thing is if you believe something exists, reality will give it to you and this will make you believe it exists. If you believe that bad people exist, they will come to you. Hence, the importance of being empty when it comes to beliefs and just observe and know the eternal laws.

Oh, gotchya now, I completely agree.

[greybeard]

Like some others here I have experienced Kundalini awakening--ongoing and spontaneous.
However this is an experience, a distraction.
Mooji covers this fully in the video and I accept what he is saying.
He is firm and direct-- I think sometimes tough love is necessary to keep me on track.

Well worth listening to the whole video--I see the love in Mooji.

Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMkY3e7LNQ

[Wind]

"He is to try to be aware--first at specified times and later at all times--of his inner state, of his thoughts and feelings, his motives and desires. That is, he is to watch himself. There are two forms of this exercise. In the passive one he watches without passing judgement or making comment. In the other and active one, he measures his state against the ideal state--not, however, by intellectually formed standards but by a mind-quietening waiting for intuitive feeling."

~ Paul Brunton

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[greybeard]

It is Possible to Be in Both Worlds ~ Mooji

"It's like you're in this world, but you don't belong to it in quite the same way... you're not pulled into the dramas of life." (Mooji)
http://www.mooji.org



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKD6esDv1Fw

[Guish]

It is Possible to Be in Both Worlds ~ Mooji

"It's like you're in this world, but you don't belong to it in quite the same way... you're not pulled into the dramas of life." (Mooji)
http://www.mooji.org



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKD6esDv1Fw

The mountain doesn't move when the wind blows. Be the mountain.

[Guish]

Like some others here I have experienced Kundalini awakening--ongoing and spontaneous.
However this is an experience, a distraction.
Mooji covers this fully in the video and I accept what he is saying.
He is firm and direct-- I think sometimes tough love is necessary to keep me on track.

Well worth listening to the whole video--I see the love in Mooji.

Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMkY3e7LNQ

Chris,

I had to stop the video after 2 minutes. The lady talks about the need to invite the feeling again and I'm very uncomfortable with the way she behaves. Meditation is not about getting that "feeling good factor". Strangely, I found Mooji a bit annoyed by her too and he concludes really well when he said that what fills him with joy is the interaction with people. There's a lot of distractions on the path and staying selfless while discovering your true self/soul is the key.

[Wind]

I do have a temper too... I just try not to allow my emotions and thoughts control me, but sometimes I fail miserably.

"The problem of trying to control temper is one that is frequently presented. It can only be solved slowly under ordinary circumstances. During meditation, he should picture himself in a temper and then deliberately construct an imaginative scene wherein he exercises more and more discipline over himself. These mental pictures when sufficiently repeated and with sufficient intensity will tend to reappear before his mind's eye at the moment when he does actually fall into a temper."

~ Paul Brunton

[Guish]

I do have a temper too... I just try not to allow my emotions and thoughts control me, but sometimes I fail miserably.

"The problem of trying to control temper is one that is frequently presented. It can only be solved slowly under ordinary circumstances. During meditation, he should picture himself in a temper and then deliberately construct an imaginative scene wherein he exercises more and more discipline over himself. These mental pictures when sufficiently repeated and with sufficient intensity will tend to reappear before his mind's eye at the moment when he does actually fall into a temper."

~ Paul Brunton

I worked really hard to control my anger too. Anger causes pain to you and to your surroundings too. The roots of anger are expectations and desires.

[Wind]

I worked really hard to control my anger too. Anger causes pain to you and to your surroundings too. The roots of anger are expectations and desires.

That is true, brother. I've never been an angry person, I've always been a very calm person, but my inner world has been quite deep and I have deep emotions, as a very empathic person. I have always disliked arguments and arguing. I suppose frustrations in my own life have caused my temper to show up sometimes and perhaps they are indeed related to expectations and desires. The more you meditate and the less you have the ego means that you won't react so much to things.

[Guish]

Many events actually test our inner peace and stretch our spirituality. Meditation is indeed a powerful technique to operate from a harmonised mental state. Buddha reached such a level of compassion that he treated his cousin who tried to kill him without feeling any hatred or bad emotion.

[greybeard]

[QUOTE=greybeard;983110]Like some others here I have experienced Kundalini awakening--ongoing and spontaneous.
However this is an experience, a distraction.
Mooji covers this fully in the video and I accept what he is saying.
He is firm and direct-- I think sometimes tough love is necessary to keep me on track.

Well worth listening to the whole video--I see the love in Mooji.

Chris



Chris,

I had to stop the video after 2 minutes. The lady talks about the need to invite the feeling again and I'm very uncomfortable with the way she behaves. Meditation is not about getting that "feeling good factor". Strangely, I found Mooji a bit annoyed by her too and he concludes really well when he said that what fills him with joy is the interaction with people. There's a lot of distractions on the path and staying selfless while discovering your true self/soul is the key.

Yes Guish I agree.
We tend to think that the Sage should be a Saint--always of peaceful disposition and one level they are but sometimes a certain response is most helpful.
(Zen master stick)
Dr David Hawkins did not suffer fools gladly, Nasargadatta was famous for being fiery---shout one moment, laugh the next-- totally in the now.
Mooji is totally fixated to get you to be the same--he does not give an inch-- you are the Ultimate, here and now, no waiting more life times, you are complete, always have been, totally unaffected by the vicissitudes of life.

I learn a lot from his meditations--this one is slightly different

Chris


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[Blue Mobius]

I honestly believe ego has been vilified in the spiritual intellectual community. I personally feel ego is necessary and that balance is not found in eradicating it but in balancing it. Ego through love is legitement. If you get angry that someone is hurting innocents and you decide to engage in confrontation to protect that innocents that is a degree of ego acting as preservation of goodness for the sake of goodness. The point ultimately is that ego plays a significant role in our spiritual make up and eradicating it rather then balancing it is not actually an evolutionary spiritual progress but in my opinion counter productive. With respect, dignity, virtue, and valor ego is kept in balance. Being enlightened is not actually some kind of extraordinary experience that transcends some type of higher existence it is living as a full human being from day to day. Seek balance my friends.

[Guish]

I honestly believe ego has been vilified in the spiritual intellectual community. I personally feel ego is necessary and that balance is not found in eradicating it but in balancing it. Ego through love is legitement. If you get angry that someone is hurting innocents and you decide to engage in confrontation to protect that innocents that is a degree of ego acting as preservation of goodness for the sake of goodness. The point ultimately is that ego plays a significant role in our spiritual make up and eradicating it rather then balancing it is not actually an evolutionary spiritual progress but in my opinion counter productive. With respect, dignity, virtue, and valor ego is kept in balance. Being enlightened is not actually some kind of extraordinary experience that transcends some type of higher existence it is living as a full human being from day to day. Seek balance my friends.

Hi Friend,

It all depends how you're defining ego. No Ego doesn't mean to let others walk on us. There are many cases in Hinduism where fights were done for truth to triumph over evil for ex, Mahabaratta or Ramayana. Let me give you an example, let's say someone tries to hit your child with a stick. A person without ego will stop the action and do whatever is needed to protect the child. However, the person will not feel any hatred towards the other person or not feel a need for revenge and neither feel superior. Think about Samourais also. They were great disciples of Zen and practised no-mind. They still stood for truth. No Ego is empowering as one has full control without trying to control.

[greybeard]

Thought I would bump the first post on this thread.
Chris



Hi friends
To put it into context.
There are two kinds of ego.
One as defined by the Medical/ Psychiatric profession.
is Healthy self esteem.
It is good to take pride in the way we do things.
When one is comfortable with oneself and what one does then fear decrease and it is easy to be in this world with all its trials and tribulations at that point there is an over lap into the second definition of ego, the spiritual one.

The ego in spiritual terms could be defined as "Edge God Out"
Every spiritual teacher without exception says that to fully know one true self the ego must be transcended.


Namaste.

[greybeard]

I honestly believe ego has been vilified in the spiritual intellectual community. I personally feel ego is necessary and that balance is not found in eradicating it but in balancing it. Ego through love is legitement. If you get angry that someone is hurting innocents and you decide to engage in confrontation to protect that innocents that is a degree of ego acting as preservation of goodness for the sake of goodness. The point ultimately is that ego plays a significant role in our spiritual make up and eradicating it rather then balancing it is not actually an evolutionary spiritual progress but in my opinion counter productive. With respect, dignity, virtue, and valor ego is kept in balance. Being enlightened is not actually some kind of extraordinary experience that transcends some type of higher existence it is living as a full human being from day to day. Seek balance my friends.

Welcome to the thread Blue Mobius
I think Guish covered this well.

You could say that ego was a part of evolution--protecting " I me and mine" a survival mechanism.
Then there is spiritual ego--wanting to be a special enlightened "me"
Eventually that drops away too.
Its true that enlightenment is not being special---the me is transcended--there is no self serving--in fact there is no person left to claim enlightenment.

If a person has no interest in enlightenment or spiritual evolution but is a kind hearted soul, then I would say that self help books and developing a good healthy "ego" is a very valid way to go.

Best wishes

Chris

[Meggings]

Since this thread began with the term "ego", and it comes up often throughout, as it has in the preceeding few posts, I offer this view of it written by an Australian PhD, Dr. Tom Chalko. I found it in his book "Freedom of Choice". We are each individualized aspects of God. It seems our ego holds the individuality. It seems ego can run amuck and requires our intellect to reign in, teach, and love.

The Ego

You cannot eliminate the Self or the “ego”. I have tried it – and failed miserably every time.
In this book, I have clearly demonstrated why. We are INDIVIDUAL for a REASON.

Without our individuality there would be no point whatsoever making the Universe to start with.

Trying to suppress our individuality is a violent act against the Purpose of the Universe and as such it always results in experiencing misery.

The only way is to EDUCATE the ego. Study it. Bring it up. Convince it. Teach it Love.

Examine your Self. You will find that Everything is there :
Lust and Love
Hate and Tolerance
Violence and Kindness
Arrogance and Respect
Animal instincts and Intellect
Joy and Misery
Envy and Admiration
Wisdom and Ignorance
Deceit and Sincerity
Selfishness and Generosity
Filth and Innocence
Pride and Modesty
Cruelty and Tenderness

It is all WITHIN. And more...Everything HAS TO BE THERE at all times.
Otherwise how could you exercise your Freedom of Choice?

How else could you perceive things if you didn’t have a chance to experience a perpetual contrast of the opposites?
Do you see the logic and the beauty of the Design?
Examine the Self.
Study the Ego.
Bring it up.
Show it the beauty of your Intellect.
Show it the Potential.
Convince it to develop.
Show it all the choices.
Teach it to Choose consciously.
Convince it that your choices make all the difference.
Then teach it to Choose Love.

This particular attitude, however, requires a phenomenal amount of self-discipline. No one else in the Universe can do it for you. YOU have to find all the motivation WITHIN.

If you think that finding the motivation may be enough, think again. Finding the motivation WITHIN is extremely difficult, but maintaining it every day is even harder.

There are so many confusing distractions, obstacles and excuses. There are so many choices - and the easiest choice is always not to do anything about your conscious progress.
It is all about the Freedom of Choice...

[greybeard]

Thanks for this Meggings
Yes the thread was intially based on the work of the late Dr David Hawkins who had the biggest Psychiatrist practice in America.
He had turned away from God and was dying. In extreme despair he shouted "If there is a God I ask him for help." The result was enlightenment and full recovery. He wrote quite a few books, the main theme transcending ego.
He did not demonise the ego but was clear that the ego is a separation device and in order for permanent Self realisation to occur it had to be let go of.
The ego according to him is identification with the story of me.

Every "enlightened" one including Tim on Avalon says the same thing. There is no separate person---thats the illusion.
Ramesh Balsekar who translated for Nasargadatta before enlightenment said "At birth God starts to remove the ego of some"
"The big challenge is the thought I am the doer"
Eckhart Tolle, Adyashanti, Mooji saying the same.
There is a uniformity in what the enlightened point to.

All points of view, experiences are welcome on the thread.

Much love
Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

Excerpt from The Power of Now, section Other Portals, Eckhart Tolle.

The Now can be seen as the main portal. It is an essential aspect of every other portal, including the inner body. You cannot be in your body without being intensely present in the Now.

Time and the manifested are as inextricably linked as are the timeless Now and the Unmanifested. When you dissolve psychological time through intense present-moment awareness, you become conscious of the Unmanifested, both directly and indirectly. Directly, you feel it as the radiance and power of your conscious presence - no content, just presence. Indirectly, you are aware of the Unmanifested in and through the sensory realm. In other words, you feel the God-essence in every creature, every flower, every stone, and you realise: "All that is, is holy." This is why Jesus, speaking entirely from his essence or Christ identity, says in the Gospel of Thomas: "Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up a stone, and you will find me there."

Another portal into the Unmanifested is created through the cessation of thinking. This can start with a very simple thing, such as taking one conscious breath or looking, in a state of intense alertness, at a flower, so that there is no mental commentary running at the same time. There are many ways to create a gap in the incessant stream of thought. This is what meditation is all about. Thought is part of the realm of the manifested. Continuous mind activity keeps you imprisoned in the world of form and becomes an opaque screen that prevents you from becoming conscious of the Unmanifested, conscious of the formless and timeless God-essence in yourself and in all things and all creatures. When you are intensely present, you don't need to be concerned about the cessation of thinking, of course, because the mind then stops automatically. That's why I said the Now is an essential aspect of every other portal.

Surrender - the letting go of mental-emotional resistance to what is - also becomes a portal into the Unmanifested. The reason for this is simple: inner resistance cuts you off from other people, from yourself, from the world around you. It strengthens the feeling of separateness on which the ego depends for its survival. The stronger the feeling of separateness, the more you are bound to the manifested, to the world of separate forms. The more you are bound to the world of form, the harder and more impenetrable your form identity becomes. The portal is closed, and you are cut off from the inner dimension, the dimension of depth. In the state of surrender, your form identity softens and becomes somewhat "transparent," as it were, so the Unmanifested can shine through you.

It's up to you to open a portal in you life that gives you conscious access to the Unmanifested. Get in touch with the energy field of the inner body, be intensely present, misidentify from the mind, surrender to what is; these are all portals you can use - but you only need to use one.

Surely love must also be one of those portals?

No, it isn't. As soon as one of the portals is open, love is present in you as the "feeling-realisation" of oneness. Love isn't a portal; it's what comes through the portal into this world. As long as you are completely trapped in your form identity, there can be no love. Your task is not to search for love but to find a portal through which love can enter.


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[Guish]

Since this thread began with the term "ego", and it comes up often throughout, as it has in the preceeding few posts, I offer this view of it written by an Australian PhD, Dr. Tom Chalko. I found it in his book "Freedom of Choice". We are each individualized aspects of God. It seems our ego holds the individuality. It seems ego can run amuck and requires our intellect to reign in, teach, and love.

The Ego

You cannot eliminate the Self or the “ego”. I have tried it – and failed miserably every time.
In this book, I have clearly demonstrated why. We are INDIVIDUAL for a REASON.

Without our individuality there would be no point whatsoever making the Universe to start with.

Trying to suppress our individuality is a violent act against the Purpose of the Universe and as such it always results in experiencing misery.

The only way is to EDUCATE the ego. Study it. Bring it up. Convince it. Teach it Love.

Examine your Self. You will find that Everything is there :
Lust and Love
Hate and Tolerance
Violence and Kindness
Arrogance and Respect
Animal instincts and Intellect
Joy and Misery
Envy and Admiration
Wisdom and Ignorance
Deceit and Sincerity
Selfishness and Generosity
Filth and Innocence
Pride and Modesty
Cruelty and Tenderness

It is all WITHIN. And more...Everything HAS TO BE THERE at all times.
Otherwise how could you exercise your Freedom of Choice?

How else could you perceive things if you didn’t have a chance to experience a perpetual contrast of the opposites?
Do you see the logic and the beauty of the Design?
Examine the Self.
Study the Ego.
Bring it up.
Show it the beauty of your Intellect.
Show it the Potential.
Convince it to develop.
Show it all the choices.
Teach it to Choose consciously.
Convince it that your choices make all the difference.
Then teach it to Choose Love.

This particular attitude, however, requires a phenomenal amount of self-discipline. No one else in the Universe can do it for you. YOU have to find all the motivation WITHIN.

If you think that finding the motivation may be enough, think again. Finding the motivation WITHIN is extremely difficult, but maintaining it every day is even harder.

There are so many confusing distractions, obstacles and excuses. There are so many choices - and the easiest choice is always not to do anything about your conscious progress.
It is all about the Freedom of Choice...

Thank you for this. This will be very helpful for people wishing to deal with ego intellectually. However, the true self is beyond this duality of right/wrong. My main obstacle was my ego telling me how can one differentiate from right or wrong if one doesn't analyse. My realisation has been that while operating from the true self/pure consciousness, nothing can go wrong because the self knows the interconnected ness. There are also many ways of expressing the true self which gives the illusion of many but it's the same pure self in everyone.

[greybeard]

As said, Dr Hawkins stopped believing in god --the reason being that he could not believe in a god that allowed all the cruelty mayhem brutality wars to happen. On Self realisation it was seen that the human ego was responsible for all this,
My words --"I want--you have --I take",, this would seem to be basically the case.
That seems to be the motto of TPTB---your freedom ,your money.
Most wars are acquisition-al.

I could go on but simply "If they knew better, they would do better"
Love the other as thy self.

Its true that the ego can be trained "Ox herding Zen picture" but you have to be ever on guard.

Love Chris

Ps the "techniques" used in the search for Truth (enlightenment) will automatically begin to remove the ego's hold, It is seen through.
One can not remove the ego, this takes immense spiritual power.
Surrender to God, which is found to be Self, can result in Divine Grace.
In a holy instant removal of ignorance occurs, this is what happens,

According to the Buddha. Ignorance of Truth is the cause of all misery in this world. Self realisation is Truth revealed.

Chris

[Wind]

Life has been and always will be about the evolution of consciousness and what a marvelous thing that is!

"It is all like a gigantic dream, with every human inserting his own private dream inside the public one. A double spell has to be broken before reality can be glimpsed--the spell which the world lays upon us and that which self lays upon us. The man who has completely awakened from this spell is the man who has gained complete insight. This faculty is nothing other than such full wakefulness.

It is immensely difficult to attain, which is why so few of the dreamers ever wake up at all and why so many will not even listen to the revelations of the awakened ones. However, Nature teaches us here as elsewhere not to let patience break down. There is plenty of time in her bag. Life is an evolutionary process. Men will begin to stir in their sleep erratically but increasingly."

"It would be wonderful if everyone, everywhere, could slip so easily into the kingdom of heaven, and just as easily stay there forever. But alas! the facts of human nature forbid it. People require teaching, training, purifying, disciplining, and preparing, before they can do so. And the course needed is a lifetime's, the work needed much and varied. That is why the Long Path is needed."

"... Man began to think when he began to forget his Overself. However, the forces of evolution will so work that one day he will learn to remember his divinity and yet use his intellect at will without losing this remembrance."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Meggings]

Surfeit! Awash in so many jewels! Wind, your posts, Guish and Greybeard - yours too, so much to contemplate. So many thoughts arise that I sought the non-thinking of artwork or pie-making tasks.

Wind, your post #4137 excerpting from "Power of Now" - somehow I missed the import of that when I read it years ago, or perhaps on the current spiral it holds more meanings. I thank you especially for it. I savoured it.

This I will speak on: "As soon as one of the portals is open, love is present in you as the "feeling-realisation" of oneness. Love isn't a portal; it's what comes through the portal into this world."

The portal through which love flows in my experience is an INNER portal through my own being. This I've long known, but in this past day I have experiential substantiation for this knowing, for my inner portal was blocked.

I had a procedure during which a fair bit of anaesthetic was given me - I felt it with searing pain at the time of injection go throught the blood/brain barrier at the base of my skull, and felt its pain rise up within my skull, over the top, down the front, and inwardly into the corpus callosum and fornix areas of the brain. The pain was intense and did not leave for days, most of which I slept through. It was akin to heavy metal poisoning lodged in the brain.

Now the structures in our brain are delicate, and through the pineal, hypothalamus, pituitary (the "Crystal Cave") comes our connection to our own divinity. These were so disrupted by the poisoning that I could not feel the Father in me. I was like one walking and bumping along in darkness during those days. No inspired thought for action arose, no will. Memory was impaired (fornix handles memory recall).

Cilantro concentrate and chlorella powder were bought for me immediately the first day. I took it constantly. However during this past night enough poison left the brain tissues that I again could easily call the Christed energies into me, and felt love again come through my heart.

Two things appalled me this morning - dismay at the thought that so many people in this world have had the subtle functioning of their brains messed up with the pollutions on this world - dismay at wondering if this darkness I stumbled through for some days when I lacked inner connection to divinity is the common state of consciousness in many people.

The other was how vigilant we have to be to maintain the purity of our vehicles so they can receive the inflow of divine intuition, inspiration, and love, so that we can keep our inner portal functioning.

[dreamchaser]

I also believe this. ego IS the self! Learning, and understanding are key. Other parts of where humans on earth are going fast deeply disturbed me, and saddened me though. Just about all of what I read on that forum did make sense though.

Love and light to all! :heart:

[Wind]

I've been watching some of David Hawkins' videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/marikamarik/videos) lately thanks to Chris.
Besides being wise, it seems to me that he had a great sense of humor.

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[greybeard]

I also believe this. ego IS the self! Learning, and understanding are key. Other parts of where humans on earth are going fast deeply disturbed me, and saddened me though. Just about all of what I read on that forum did make sense though.

Love and light to all! :heart:

Welcome dreamchaser thanks for your post.

self/me/I is the ego----its down to linguistics----

Self is the Realised Self--true identity, it is Awareness which is prior to everything, there before thought, concepts belief systems and personal identity.
It witnesses all without reaction,comment etc and is eternal and unchanged by the ups and downs of life.
It does not do anything but everything stems from the emptiness which it is.
The emptiness is vibrant, alive and is the non doing source of unlimited potential.
That's what in essence and reality is your True Self.
Truth has many levels--well they all seem to be true but there is an ultimate reality.

All points of view are welcome here
With love
Chris

[greybeard]

If a person has time avail able they might just find the early lectures of Dr Hawkins on Pirate Bay.
They were a series of lecture weekends each month.
It really takes a lot of time and dedication to view them in their entirety.
Time well spent.

The earliest is best as Dr H slowed down a bit due to age of the body.
They are the fullest, in depth presentation of the intricacies involved in personal spiritual evolution that I have ever seen.

Even to have heard of Enlightenment in its fullest sense is a karmic blessing.

Dr H could remember details of his past lives.

When spirituality is explored in detail it gives added depth to simple statements that Mooji and others make.
Without context some things loose their original meaning.

Love Chris

[Guish]

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[greybeard]

David R Hawkins ~ Every Human Has Guardian Angels

Here he is in great humour.

If you look at this on u tube the automatic follow ons are very good.

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i_SRGh3YOk

[greybeard]

This gem is from September 25, 2004, from a talk given by Dr. Hawkins at the Unity Church in Marin, California.




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[gripreaper]

David Hawkin's: Why don't you make your life a prayer, and then you don't have to take the time to pray.

I love his humor.

[Wind]

As one recognises and experiences the naturalness of the Self, because there is no pride here, mind says 'But this is just too simple to be true.'
By simple it means naive, a sort of put-down.
But before the mind says, 'It is too simple,' you are already here.
Be aware of this.
And how many times have we purchased the mind's trickery which prolongs these states of ignorance and fear.
This is why the Buddha says, 'For so long I had been tricked by the ego, but now I have caught and broken him!'
How?
Because of the realisation: I am That which is before everything.
And what joyous discovery!
Even if mind was fast enough to move at a billionth of a second, you are already there before him - without moving.
Such is the perfectness of the Self.

As soon as you acknowledge and dwell in the fact of this seeing, suffering is dispelled.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

David Hawkin's: Why don't you make your life a prayer, and then you don't have to take the time to pray.

I love his humor.

Haha, at the same time, it's a profound truth. You have to become the path you preach.

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[Meggings]

Wind and Chris, thanks for the Hawkins videos. Couple days ago I listened to all Wind posted in #4143 above, and meandered off into others on youtube. In his summation given below, he missed a big one - I would add ARROGANCE. Arrogance justifies using others for self.


If we examine much of what the world traditionally calls "evil," what we discover is not evil, which is an abstraction, epithet and label. Instead, we see behaviors that could be described as primitive, infantile, egotistical, narcissistic, selfish, and ignorant, complicated by the psychological mechanisms of denial, projection, and paranoia in order to justify hatred.

From: “I: Reality and Subjectivity” (2003), Chapter 11: Transcending the World, p. 174

[greybeard]

David R Hawkins - The Quest for Spiritual Truth

http://DrKoni.com - Dr. David R. Hawkins discusses the quest for Spiritual Truth in the 2010 lecture. Learn from this great teacher how you can advance along the journey of spiritual enlightenment in a simple straightforward way.

Ps the main part is related to calibration of various things in life.
Basically what you buy into, read, listen to affects positively or negatively your spiritual progress.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jco0qyIUN1Y

[Meggings]

Chris, I hope to find time to listen to the 1.5 hour talk above. Thanks for posting it - we are lifted up merely by listening to one radiating a higher frequency than ourselves.

I hope you will indulge me in posting this rather long discussion below about FEAR. It is in the interest of our individual enlightenment to understand those things that we hold within ourselves, and I felt this has merit to contemplate.

(Note that since this is translated from French, some phrases may be a little awkward.)

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Work on Oneself
Recognizing fears

“We would like for you to focus for a moment on your fears.

We have heard some people say that they are never afraid. Just by saying that you have no fears causes you never to advance; if you say this it is because you are so crushed by your fears that you do not even have the consciousness to see them.

How do you wish to work on what you cannot perceive? How do you wish to get rid of the weight that is crushing you if you do not see it?

There are fears coming from childhood, coming before the present incarnation; there are fears that you create everyday with your behaviors. All of this impregnates itself in you. The vibrations of a high level impregnate themselves in you and the vibrations of a low level impregnate themselves in you in the same way.

You are essentially energy and vibrations, all impregnates itself in you, and then you must work to cleanse it. At that level, everyone, depending on what he is, has his own methods, valuable or not valuable; it is not up to us to judge if such and such a method is better than another.

We would like you to better perceive your fears. They also come due to the fact that you have difficulties cutting with preceding experiences, that is to say with all that you may have experienced before today. From the moment that you remember some fears and some suffering and that you feel badly, more or less deeply besides, it is because these fears are still impregnated in you. It is absolutely necessary to cleanse them!

How do you cleanse a fear? Simply by recognizing it! You can look at your past, to see the events of your life and the experiences that may have generated some fears, bring them up into your consciousness and look at them squarely in the face.

When you recognize a fear, speak to it and simply say: ‘You are an illusion, you are a fear because I give you the energy to exist, but I no longer believe in you, therefore because I no longer believe in you, you have no power over me. I am freeing myself from the power that you have over me.' Fears, once again, are illusions.

Of course, once you have done this work, you can project Love and Light on your fears; sometimes you are so indulgent towards yourself that in order not to be afraid you deny your own fears.

The worry that you cause yourself for whatever reason is a fear. You will generate that inferior vibration and you will nourish it, it will keep you from flying, it will keep you from attaining the higher parts of your being, and you could do everything you wish to, if you do not look your fears in the face, they will remain!

Of course, with certain techniques your fears will be less encompassing, maybe less destabilizing, but if you eradicate them by looking at them, by recognizing them, by simply telling them that they no longer exist in relation to your life, that you no longer fear them, they will crumble to dust; you must always send them Light and Love so that the work can truly be effective.

Human beings, through their emotions, their anguish, their lack of confidence in themselves, in us and in Life, often generate fears. Sometimes, these are fears that are almost insignificant; however, a fear that is associated with another fear, and another one, creates that inferior energy that keeps you from finding the path of Light that leads you to the summit of yourself.

If we are speaking to you once again about fears, it is because we want you to make a much more rapid advancement.

Do this exercise, renewing it several times. Plunge deep inside yourself and try to drive out a fear, no matter which one, small or great. We repeat, fears can be worries, a behavior of doubt in relation to Life; therefore you need not search for very long. If you descend a little into your past, you will find a multitude of fears.

Bring up a fear, look it in the face and simply tell it: “You are an illusion, you do not exist. Therefore, since you do not exist, you are going to disappear'; then send it much Light and Love (do not forget that fear is a vibration, an energy).

Bring to the surface of your being, to your consciousness, one, two, three, or four fears, in order to be able to look them in the face, to speak to them of their non-existence, to see them disappear and to project Light and Love onto this energy and onto this vibration.

…

The goal is not to bring up too much at a time, it is to bring up one or two, and each time that you work on a fear, give it all of your energy and your comprehension in order to be able to eradicate it definitively; if you do not do the work, a little energy from this fear will still remain and you will nourish it again unconsciously.

Take your fears one by one, look them in the face, tell them that you have absolutely no fear of them, that they are illusions and that they will disappear automatically. Always do this exercise by putting the Love Light on this inferior energy.

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Try to see another fear, just simply the fear of not having been loved in your childhood. Try to see a similar fear coming up, and if this is the case, tell it: ‘I was mistaken, I imagined that I was not loved but the beings who surrounded me loved me in their way; therefore you have nothing more to do, you are just an illusion and I no longer am afraid of not having been loved when I was a child (or adolescent) and now that I am an adult I am no longer afraid of not having been loved. That fear no longer exists, you are only an illusion, I am lighting you up and I annihilate you with Light and Love.

…

Let's look in more detail at this vibration of fear.

The vibration of fear brings violence; the vibration of fear goes just to the destruction of a life or even your own. There is a scale of fears that goes to infinity, and it is for this that from the moment that you succeed in recognizing them within and annihilating them, destroying them, you liberate yourself.

Imagine that along the road that leads you to your own summit not only do you have a full knapsack but you still have the fear of not being up to the task, the fear of not being loved, etc…All these fears pop up along your path.

From the moment that you recognize them, you make them fall like a game of ninepins and they no longer exist. However, sometimes they are tenacious and they can reveal themselves, so you must start all over again.

The true path of Love is punctuated with vibrations of fears, with your own fears. From the moment that you are aware of this, you totally liberate the path of Love, the one that will open wide the doors to your heart and that will lead you towards the summit of yourself. At that moment the path will only be Light and it will be so easy to travel!

…

During the course of your future life, (we are not saying tomorrow or the day after) many human beings will be confronted not only with their own fears but probably confronted with the fears of all that will happen in your world.

If you have already sufficiently liberated the energy of fear that is in you since your childhood, if you have succeeded in seeing, understanding and eradicating that vibration, you will be much stronger in relation to certain events of your life and you will be much more useful to those who are near you or even those who come towards you.

Do not forget, Children of the Earth, that fear is contagious, just as Love is, just as joy is, so do not communicate your fears to others, manage this and once again, consider them as illusions, that you have every power upon them from the moment that you look them in the face and that you recognize them.”

You can replicate this text and give copies under the following conditions :
that it is not cut, that there isn't any modification of its content, that you refer to our web site http://ducielalaterre.org, and that you mention Monique Mathieu's name

[Wind]

"The Soul is always there but he has to use prayer, meditation, and moral self-discipline to become aware of it. He should pray for its Grace, meditate on its presence and reality, and purify his thoughts and emotions by disciplining them. To turn away from human desires is hard. So to speed the process, the Soul puts him through agonizing ordeals, tragic bereavements, or great losses. Only after a deep melancholy falls on the mind and a thorough disgust for the unsatisfactoriness of earthly life settles on the heart, does he really yearn for the Soul. This is the mystic death. Only after it comes the second birth."

~ Paul Brunton

[greybeard]

The early videos of Dr Hawkins are good.
What did it for me however are the books---in particular
"I--- Reality and Subjectivity" ; "The Eye of the I" and "Discovery of the presence of God--Devotional Non-duality"

They can be found on Amazon or here

http://veritaspub.com/index.php/books-c-47

Love Chris

[greybeard]

Dr. David R. Hawkins - The Principles of Devotional Non-Duality
This is a good audio----particularly towards the end where he talks about how AA came about--he also promotes ACIM
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIapZaqBrgY

[Guish]

https://www.dailyzen.com/images/uploads/Companions_on_the_Way.jpg

[Meggings]

This helped me today, made me feel better in a down period after being attacked...it's a song about gratitude and love. The Dalai Lama is there.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idvk9k8gaR8#t=108

[Innocent Warrior]

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https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/6/005/076/091/295d05b.jpg



* * * * *

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Free, full PDF of The Power Of Now here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4oii8xKGHA).

[greybeard]

(God) alone
is real, the universe is unreal, the individual soul (Jiva or Atman) is no other than
the Universal Soul (Brahman)".This is actually what all Indian yogis like Swami
Vivekananda try to remind us again and again: "There is no you or me; all variety
is merged into the absolute unity, the one infinite existence -- God".

Brahman is one, without a second.
Brahman is the supreme knowledge
That absolute reality is the essence of what you really are
You are divine, that is the truth.
You and the Absolute are one.
You and the eternal are one.
You are not the individual, the particular, the temporary.
Feel this. Know this. Act in conformity with this."

Pasted from http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84274-Is-our-universe-FAKE-Physicists-claim-we-could-all-be-the-playthings-of-an-advanced-civilisation&p=986036&viewfull=1#post986036

[Wind]

"Life itself is today the hierophant who tests his character and mentality, his power and endurance and responsiveness to intuitions. Life itself will sooner or later provide its square and compasses whereby his character may be measured, his earnestness proved, and his aims known. It does this for all men in a general sense, but it does this for disciples in a special sense. Whoever engages himself to tread this path, in our own times, will find that every important event becomes a sign of the activity of either good or evil forces. He must be forewarned that, at certain stages, he will be examined by his higher self and tested by the beneficent forces or tempted by the adverse ones.

From this epoch-making date, the major episodes of an aspirant's life are purposely sent into it. Both good and evil powers pay special attention, within his personal karma, to his affairs. Once he has committed himself to this quest, he will find that events so arrange themselves as to indicate his sincerity, examine his motives, display his weaknesses, and find out his virtues. His devotion to the philosophic ideal will be tested, his loyalty to the goal will be tried."

~ Paul Brunton

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[greybeard]

Thanks for the Paul Brunton post Wind.
Yes its true for me.
I find my weaknesses highlighted by life.
At the moment I seem to get a memory re run of this life---times and events that were cross roads where I could have chosen otherwise and the outcome would have substantially different. Sometimes it was a decision that only took seconds to make or a spontaneous word and my course through life was completely altered. For better or worse I can not say.

Im learning a new song "Chris de Burgh Missing you" and the words are relevant.

  "  C                                            A         
2.     There is no reason to the things that we do,
Dm                                                     G
    you can break a heart with just a word or two,
C                                      Am "
    and take a lifetime to apologise,

Life is the ultimate Guru

Love Chris

[Wind]

Then let thy prayer ever be, "Here am I, O God! Use me, send me; that I may be a channel of blessings to someone today."
This attunement brings the awareness of thy relationships.

- ‪Edgar Cayce‬

A philosopher's prayer: "That which is the ever-living presence in man: to That I turn when in trouble;
on That I meditate when at rest; may That bless with its grace my entry into the other side of death."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Guish]

There are no precepts to follow,
No practices to engage in.
From the outset
There are no passions;
From the beginning we are
Enlightened.
We eat when we are hungry,
Rest when we are tired.

[greybeard]

There are no precepts to follow,
No practices to engage in.
From the outset
There are no passions;
From the beginning we are
Enlightened.
We eat when we are hungry,
Rest when we are tired.

I suspect it is that simple Guish---all else is the "intellect" being "right"
All else is some thing trying to be what we already are.
The ego thinks its going to be an enlightened ego.
Its the ego that is transcended by the grace of our very own "Self"
Even that statement is saying too much.
I dont claim to be an authority or right.
I just share my current understanding, which is flawed, because it is an intellectual understanding.

Much Love
Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

“Remember that wherever your heart is, there you will find your treasure.”
― Paulo Coelho

http://zanaelf.comxa.com/digitalart/Art/Originals/fractalheartstockies.jpg

[Wind]

"Don't give so much importance to the diminishing of the 'I'-sense but rather to That which observes it."

"We think it is we as persons who will create this change within ourselves.
Human beings cannot change or transform human beings into the Self.
Only God can change human beings in this way.
He changes you from the inside, because the inside of human beings is God.
Outside of human beings is also, only God, and the human being is a 'mask' of God."

~ Mooji

[Guish]

There are no precepts to follow,
No practices to engage in.
From the outset
There are no passions;
From the beginning we are
Enlightened.
We eat when we are hungry,
Rest when we are tired.

I suspect it is that simple Guish---all else is the "intellect" being "right"
All else is some thing trying to be what we already are.
The ego thinks its going to be an enlightened ego.
Its the ego that is transcended by the grace of our very own "Self"
Even that statement is saying too much.
I dont claim to be an authority or right.
I just share my current understanding, which is flawed, because it is an intellectual understanding.

Much Love
Chris

Complete detachment as nothing is permanent.

[Innocent Warrior]

Ego...

http://41.media.tumblr.com/b5a4b38b2a402f879ef7bd90d92aa5d8/tumblr_ndjmhykK5w1sz8z7wo1_400.jpg

[Guish]

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/4SbHijSfjnktLnjw0ECA1w--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9MzExO3E9OTU7dz00NTc-/http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/86/6a/71/866a714afaf9aa4b73381a3bd239bb04.jpg

[Guish]

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[Wind]

"How beautiful, how comforting, and how profitable are those minutes of withdrawal from the world into the blessed stillness in the deeper layers of the mind and heart. Here one can enjoy oneself, one's self, one's inner self, one's Overself.

"However dark or blundering the past, however miserable the tangle one has made of one's life, this unutterable peace blots it all out. Within that seraphic embrace error cannot be known, misery cannot be felt, sin cannot be remembered. A great cleansing comes over the heart and mind.

"The more he gives himself up to this element of stillness within and lets it work on him, the less destructive will his character and tendencies be."

~ Paul Brunton

http://oi59.tinypic.com/igclr8.jpg

[Guish]

This just popped out during meditation. The closest man can get to reality is nature. Nature was there before mind created everything else. The sky has everyone in his arms. The trees give air to everyone. It rains for everyone. Nature is vast, beautiful and different. Yet, it exists peacefully. There's no separation in nature. Has man forgotten his nature?

[gripreaper]

This just popped out during meditation. The closest man can get to reality is nature. Nature was there before mind created everything else. The sky has everyone in his arms. The trees give air to everyone. It rains for everyone. Nature is vast, beautiful and different. Yet, it exists peacefully. There's no separation in nature. Has man forgotten his nature?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf5TgVRGND4

[Wind]

This just popped out during meditation. The closest man can get to reality is nature. Nature was there before mind created everything else. The sky has everyone in his arms. The trees give air to everyone. It rains for everyone. Nature is vast, beautiful and different. Yet, it exists peacefully. There's no separation in nature. Has man forgotten his nature?

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[greybeard]

Conscious TV has a new look opening page well worth a visit
And a new interview, detail below.

http://www.conscious.tv/

» Arjuna Ardagh - 'Waking Up and Changing the World' - Interview by Iain McNay

Arjuna Ardagh - 'Waking Up and Changing the World' - Interview by Iain McNay Author of 'The Translucent Revolution - How People Just Like you are waking up and changing the world,' Better Than Sex - The Ecstatic Art of Awakening Coaching' and 'How About Now' talks about his life and work. In 1991, after returning to India for a prolonged period of meditation, Arjuna met H.W.L. Poonja, a direct student of Ramana Maharshi. With Poonja's help, Ardagh went through a radical shift of perspective. Rather than attaining what he had imagined, he had the profound realization that what he had been seeking for was what he already was, and always had been. He realized that it was in the abandonment of all seeking and wanting that the heart found its fulfillment. In 1992 Ardagh to return to the West to "share this secret with his friends." He returned to Seattle and began to work with people one-on-one and in groups, facilitating a dramatic shift in awareness with thousands of people throughout the United States and Europe. He quickly discovered that this same realization was easily accessible to anyone who was willing to look in the right place, and that this had a profound effect on simple day-to-day life.

http://conscious.tv/consciousness.html?bcpid=2439355001&bclid=18673093001&bctid=4404521036001

[joeecho]

We are to 'be' strangers to travel through a strange land......strangers even onto ourselves.

https://terryburridge.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/strange-land.jpg

[joeecho]

This just popped out during meditation. The closest man can get to reality is nature. Nature was there before mind created everything else. The sky has everyone in his arms. The trees give air to everyone. It rains for everyone. Nature is vast, beautiful and different. Yet, it exists peacefully. There's no separation in nature. Has man forgotten his nature?

Nature whispers of reality. A whisper that ebbs and flows through ones consciousness teasing the edges of perception.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5svg0QCUj1r47bczo1_500.jpg

[joeecho]

Ego...

http://41.media.tumblr.com/b5a4b38b2a402f879ef7bd90d92aa5d8/tumblr_ndjmhykK5w1sz8z7wo1_400.jpg

A wall that falls in the light of Love like it is nothing at all.

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Note: Someone is going to need to call a plumber or I am going to end up posting excessively! :P

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[Guish]

Various kinds of lights manifest during meditation owing to deep concentration. In the beginning a bright, white light, the size of a pin’s point will appear in the forehead at the space between the two eyebrows which corresponds tentatively to the Ajna Chakra. You will notice, when the eyes are closed, different coloured lights, white, yellow, red, smoky, blue, green, mixed lights, flashes like lightning, fire, moon, sun, stars and sparks. These are Tanmatric lights. Each Tanmatra has its own specific colour. Yellow and white lights are very commonly seen.

More here:

https://yachnayoga.wordpress.com/2012/02/15/mystical-experiences-during-meditation/

[greybeard]

As said elsewhere
Keep the flood coming Joeecho
You can never post too often here.

Much love
Chris

[Wind]

New videos from Mooji, Tolle and Gangaji.

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[greybeard]

Thanks as ever to Wind and Guish for your long time contributions to this thread and Surf with Wind which are up lifting and inspiring.
I get so much from these.

Much Love
Chris

[Guish]

Thanks as ever to Wind and Guish for your long time contributions to this thread and Surf with Wind which are up lifting and inspiring.
I get so much from these.

Much Love
Chris

I just got the thought of quitting Avalon last week and came back..

[Wind]

I'm glad that you didn't quit, Guish. You've been a great contributor here.

[Guish]

I guess I'm still attached to you all. Haha. Need to work on this....

[Fanna]

Guish, the Buddha is there in your heart, but is he frequenting you because he is attached to you? Being attached and being drawn are two different calls. Take a look deep inside, listen to the Wind, and ask yourself again if you are attached here or if you are being drawn here.

[greybeard]

Welcome to the thread Fanna and thank you for the post.
As a parallel, as far as "enlightenment" goes we are being pulled by our future not pushed by our past.
I know I was drawn to spirituality---I had friends who were briefly interest but fell away.

Much love
Chris

[Guish]

Guish, the Buddha is there in your heart, but is he frequenting you because he is attached to you? Being attached and being drawn are two different calls. Take a look deep inside, listen to the Wind, and ask yourself again if you are attached here or if you are being drawn here.

It was a joke Fanna. One doesn't get drawn to it. One is it.

[Zampano]

I found myself in a despair, where nothing makes sense anymore.
Go into the nothingness, stay there and lets see whats coming.
Chris, you started this thread and I am very thankful for it...how about your silent time?
Let go and see what happens...this thread will go on and on. So much information, but at the end, everybody has the work to do.

Do this self-enquiry over and over again. And then, again. Make it your daily practise. Be that, what you are can not be.

[Fanna]

It was a joke Fanna.

My bad. I guess I got intimidated this time and didn't read through the previous 4189 posts to get the backstory :P
And I think I'm gonna have to start saying

One doesn't get drawn to it. One is it.

[greybeard]

I found myself in a despair, where nothing makes sense anymore.
Go into the nothingness, stay there and lets see whats coming.
Chris, you started this thread and I am very thankful for it...how about your silent time?
Let go and see what happens...this thread will go on and on. So much information, but at the end, everybody has the work to do.

Do this self-enquiry over and over again. And then, again. Make it your daily practise. Be that, what you are can not be.

Hi Zampano
It has been my intention several time to let go completely of the thread and Avalon----I managed a few time for very short periods--just a few days.
I keep getting drawn back---I learn from others here and they trigger what I post.
If I disappeared tomorrow Im sure the thread would do just fine--there is a high quality of posts here coming from all contributors.
I dont see it as my thread.
Even if it died a death-- Surfing with Wind is vibrant fresh and very much alive.

Love to you
Chris

[Zampano]

I did not say it is your thread, you have started it.
I feel myself just in the situtation, were nothing is needed.

There are no questions and no answers for me. And I feel compassion with you, hence another attachement.
Con passion. At the end...my whole point doesnt come from the absolute, but from the human being

All the best
Guenther

[greybeard]

I did not say it is your thread, you have started it.
I feel myself just in the situtation, were nothing is needed.

There are no questions and no answers for me. And I feel compassion with you, hence another attachement.
Con passion. At the end...my whole point doesnt come from the absolute, but from the human being

All the best
Guenther

Its true nothing is needed Guenther but compassion is and it is not an attachment
Being a human is just fine for me most of the time but there is awareness.
Nothing needs to make sense--I gave up on that long ago.

Much love to you Guenther
Chris

[Zampano]

But the act of striving for enlightenment is the most egoistic way in Life. And not, yes.
Awareness of the "I thought" is the best practice for me now.

Someone can post a hundreds beautiful pics with quotes, but I think it is distracting.
We have to do pratrice to come closer to the truth.
Some more, some less.

When you know, that you are everything, logically you will not hurt yourself.
That is the human upgrade, what I think the whole thing is about and I am quite sure about it.

[greybeard]

I think striving is there in the start of the "search" Yes the ego thinks it is going to be an enlightened ego Ha Ha.
Then bit by bit comes the realisation that the searching is an obstacle.
To quote Bar Marshall--"Nothing works" However whilst enlightenment can be likened to an accident--you can become more accident prone.
Basically whatever works for you is best practice, a balance to everything.

Much love
Chris

[ZooLife]

Yes the ego thinks it is going to be an enlightened ego Ha Ha.


This is a good one!

The ego speaks (of course, 'who' else would it be?): "What do you mean? But of course I am an enlightened ego!"

Then a faint whisper is detected at the periphery of the egos mind. "That may be so, but it doesn't matter much".


http://inspirably.com/uploads/user/19419-if-you-have-love-you-dont-need-to-have-anything-else-if.png



Someone can post a hundreds beautiful pics with quotes, but I think it is distracting.


That may be true for some so follow your heart, all one needs is all around them.....it is there (here) for the taking! <3

[Zampano]

What is your last obstacle?

You know, you tried everything and there is still an attachement.
What is the last attachement for you?

[ZooLife]

What is your last obstacle?


That obstacles are not what they seem.

http://d.justpo.st/media/images/2013/02/0569ff19d5e01c28e4d5b4356a161d23.jpg

Coach says I still need practice.

Is it that obvious, coach? :)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b7/97/58/b7975815ed3ac070cf5ad4745da6baa9.jpg

[ZooLife]

Apparently I do not venture out much because I just found this beautiful place (thread) in the forrest.

https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/forest-shrine-in-takamori-machi-kumamoto-japan-hotarubi-no-mori-es-real-location-6.jpg?w=800&h=533

http://www.fingerwind.com/wp-content/uploads/black-forest-2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Kaxzv2QSLnE/UusyJ1THlQI/AAAAAAAAE24/zcTy-UckQ2k/s1600/amazing+natural+scene+in+pink+color.jpg


http://khongthe.com/wallpapers/animals/beautiful-place-77425.jpg

[greybeard]

What is your last obstacle?

You know, you tried everything and there is still an attachement.
What is the last attachement for you?

Possibly the story of me even though I know its a story, or sometimes the thought that I am the doer.
these ideas dont last any time before I see them for what they are.

Good question but I dont really know the answer

Sleep time--Bye Bye

Much love
chris

[Guish]

What is your last obstacle?

You know, you tried everything and there is still an attachement.
What is the last attachement for you?


You are attached to the idea of detachment. That's the last obstacle.

[Guish]

But the act of striving for enlightenment is the most egoistic way in Life. And not, yes.
Awareness of the "I thought" is the best practice for me now.



Self discipline and search for one's enlightenment is not egoistic. You should light your own candle so that you can light others. Feeling proud of being the light will be the trap but you'll know that you're the light. God is in us and out of us. Once the veils of ignorance are taken out, we'll see everyone as our own and that's a wonderful feeling. Love is infinite and it doesn't finish the more you spend. The more you spend, the more rich you become...

Cheers,
G

[greybeard]

Helpful advice abounds in this video
Attachment mentioned and pointed out that you are your Self.

ॐ Awake to the Reality - That
Your Soul, the Self, Atman, Awareness, the Witness,
Brahman and your Existence are all your True Self. ॐ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmxveclgTUI

[Wind]

Let no man say what God is or what God is not.
Let him instead keep quiet inside his heart until he find his Lord Here.

He alone knows Himself.

~ Mooji

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' Sahaja Buddha' - Painting by Mooji

[Guish]

Chris, you are very fond of these guided meditations.

[greybeard]

Chris, you are very fond of these guided meditations.

Its not so much the guided meditation but the information therein Guish
Most time I continue in silent awareness there after.
There also seems to be an energy within Mooji's talks, meditation, in that Kundalini was quiet for a period of time then re awakened listening to him.

Kundalini strengthens rewires the nervous system in order that a higher spiritual vibration can be held within the body/container.
The Shakti Im not identifying with, just aware of
Awareness is prior to all. That's what I am---give it any name--it is beyond description as you no doubt know.
Identification/labelling is a major obstacle.

Dr Hawkins was clear that it is down to Divine Grace--yes that comes from Self.
He recommends surrendering the obstacles to That Divine energy, as the me does not have the hight spiritual energy required to do this.
Of myself I do nothing etc.
There are unseen obstacles that we are not consciously aware of too.

Ramesh Balsekar said that at birth God begins to dissolve the ego in some.
Seems the efforts just get in the way of Divine providence.

However I am beyond understanding all this ---I used to think I knew---but its only knowing about--its not the indescribable, which is the True reality.
There is nothing to know, to be no-thing
The me just passes time here and watching the video. but there is awareness of that.
There is awareness too that the "I" pronoun is in use.

Much love
Chris

[Guish]

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[Zampano]

I think striving is there in the start of the "search" Yes the ego thinks it is going to be an enlightened ego Ha Ha.
Then bit by bit comes the realisation that the searching is an obstacle.

And what I meant with saying...


But the act of striving for enlightenment is the most egoistic way in Life.

One starts on the journey to realise the Self or the big I or the...going somewhere, which is better then now.
I want to become enlightened, I want truth, I want the end of suffering and so on.

And then the realisation comes, that there never was an I.


You are attached to the idea of detachment. That's the last obstacle.

I think so too :-)

The initial strive comes from an egoistic view...and is afterwards realized as a tiny tiny tiny part of you. But you are the Whole

[Wind]

"His destination is also his origin. But to say that he was born in the eternal Spirit starts the question, "How can time, which is placed outside eternity, bring him to eternity?" The answer is that it does not bring him there; it only educates him to look for, and prepares him to pass through, the opening through which he can escape. Need it be said that this lies at the point where ego surrenders wholly to (Over)self?"

~ Paul Brunton

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[RunningDeer]

New book by Mooji


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Dear Friends,
 
We are delighted to announce the release of The Mala of God (http://www.satsangshop.com/mooji-s-books/812-the-mala-of-god.html) ~ a book of prayers, blessings and drawings by Mooji.
 
The Mala of God is a spiritual gift, an expression of the grace-filled heart brimming with prayer, devotion, love and gratitude to the Supreme, yet it is imbued with the unsparing clarity and power of non-dual wisdom. With profound simplicity, Mooji unveils the intimate mystical ways of the praying heart and directly introduces the Formless to those yearning to discover their true nature and unity with the Awareness God-Self. Even one prayer fully absorbed is enough to set your heart free in the infinity of Being. 
 
In celebration of this new book, we have included a beautiful writing by Mooji ~ The Power of True Prayer (http://mooji.org/pdf/the_power_of_true_prayer.pdf). You are also welcome to download a preview of The Mala of God here (http://mooji.org/pdf/The_Mala_of_God_sample.pdf?nc=01).
 
The Mala of God is available from Mooji.org shop (http://www.satsangshop.com/mooji-s-books/812-the-mala-of-god.html).


RunningDeer ♡

[Guish]

The Last Poem of Hoshin

The Zen Master Hoshin lived in China many years. Then he returned to the northeastern part of Japan, where he taught his disciples. When he was getting very old, he told them a story he had heard in China. This is the story:

One year on the twenty-fifth of December, Tokufu, who was very old, said to his disciples: "I am not going to be alive next year so you fellows should treat me well this year."

The pupils thought he was joking, but since he was a great-hearted teacher each of them in turn treated him to a feast on succeeding days of the departing year.

On the eve of the new year, Tokufu concluded: "You have been good to me. I shall leave tomorrow afternoon when the snow has stopped."

The disciples laughed, thinking he was aging and talking nonsense since the night was clear and without snow. But at midnight snow began to fall, and the next day they did not find their teacher about. They went to the meditation hall. There he had passed on.

Hoshin, who related this story, told his disciples: "It is not necessary for a Zen master to predict his passing, but if he really wishes to do so, he can."

"Can you?" someone asked.

"Yes," answered Hoshin. "I will show you what I can do seven days from now."

None of the disciples believed him, and most of them had even forgotten the conversation when Hoshin called them together.

"Seven days ago," he remarked, "I said I was going to leave you. It is customary to write a farewell poem, but I am neither a poet or a calligrapher. Let one of you inscribe my last words."

His followers thought he was joking, but one of them started to write.

"Are you ready?" Hoshin asked.

"Yes sir," replied the writer.

Then Hoshin dictated:

I came from brillancy
And return to brillancy.
What is this?

This line was one line short of the customary four, so the disciple said: "Master, we are one line short."

Hoshin, with the roar of a conquering lion, shouted "Kaa!" and was gone.

[Wind]

"Eckhart unpacks a word he rarely uses—power—exploring the evolution from egoic role-playing to the direct realization and unique expression of our true identity."

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[greybeard]

Thanks Paula for posting this
I did get it in the news letter but don't have the ability to do a paste job of the quality that you have produced.

Really like the balance of Mooji Love of the Divine yet being in non-duality.
Ramana Maharshi had a similar disposition.

Much love
Chris


New book by Mooji


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Dear Friends,
 
We are delighted to announce the release of The Mala of God (http://www.satsangshop.com/mooji-s-books/812-the-mala-of-god.html) ~ a book of prayers, blessings and drawings by Mooji.
 
The Mala of God is a spiritual gift, an expression of the grace-filled heart brimming with prayer, devotion, love and gratitude to the Supreme, yet it is imbued with the unsparing clarity and power of non-dual wisdom. With profound simplicity, Mooji unveils the intimate mystical ways of the praying heart and directly introduces the Formless to those yearning to discover their true nature and unity with the Awareness God-Self. Even one prayer fully absorbed is enough to set your heart free in the infinity of Being. 
 
In celebration of this new book, we have included a beautiful writing by Mooji ~ The Power of True Prayer (http://mooji.org/pdf/the_power_of_true_prayer.pdf). You are also welcome to download a preview of The Mala of God here (http://mooji.org/pdf/The_Mala_of_God_sample.pdf?nc=01).
 
The Mala of God is available from Mooji.org shop (http://www.satsangshop.com/mooji-s-books/812-the-mala-of-god.html).


RunningDeer ♡

[greybeard]

The Power of True Prayer

Mooji

The highest form of prayer becomes a praise and a contemplation—a unifying, a communion,
declaring and singing from the harmony with the Supreme. True prayer has never been so much
about attaining personal desires or acquiring spiritual techniques. It is not soaked in duality. If
duality has any meaning here, it is to venerate the Supreme, which in the highest sense is the
Supreme in praise of itself. Ultimately, there are no dialogues in the world; it is a divine
monologue, for in reality there are not two, but only the single reality in its appearance as many.

From the mind of a mystic and from that place of pure being, prayers and hymns to the Supreme
are no different from non-dual contemplation. What I call a mystic is one whose behaviour defies
the personal mind’s understanding because they are functioning in the higher altitude of divine
harmony. The personal mind does not understand the workings of the Self-mind; it cannot grasp
it because it is steeped in duality.

A Self-realised being never feels apart from God, and therefore his prayers are spontaneous
utterings arising inside the Boundless. The surrendered heart never feels abandoned. One has to
become a separate ‘I’ or person to feel abandoned. But the true sense of ‘I’ is not separate, you see.
It is the first-born, the son of God, the dynamic consciousness that is experiencing existence and
the world but is at the same time totally absorbed in its source. It is like one facet of a divine gem,
but the facet is not separate from the full gem. They are one.
In a way, it is a challenge to put aside our projections and fantasies about prayer. However, the
sincere seeker must leave them aside and come empty, thereby invoking these prayers to arise in
the heart and just sing themselves inside one’s being. If there is within you the urge to discover
the Truth, and the sense of intimacy or belief in God grips you, prayer arises spontaneously and
you may find yourself saying, ‘All that I conceive myself to be I leave here at Your Feet. Absorb me
in You.’ This is where inquiry and prayer meet, and the power of such a request is undeniable.
You will spontaneously come to understand and thus be transported into the presence of God.

When the intellect is present, then we speak of ‘I’ and God. But when the intellect is itself seen,
the seeing itself arises from the place of the Unborn. Here, there is no you and there is no God in
any way that the mind can truly fathom. There is not even any mind as such. Nothing is there at
all and yet there is a total completeness. This is the place where nothing lives and nothing dies.

Only the one who has met God in the heart has the recognition, the confidence, freedom and joy
to be nothing. God imparts this freedom and joy to be nothing—empty of identity—the natural
state. We talk about God while we still have this touch, this taste of duality. The feeling of ‘I’
creates the feeling of a separate God. But beyond that, when you have sieved yourself to nothing,
‘I’ shines as the seedless Truth. Meaning it is not a product, not secondary; but rather
synonymous with the Absolute. Thus there remains no duality of you and God, only the perfect
Harmony, the Unspeakable—the immaculate, unborn Awareness God-Self.

The highest prayer is like a mantra. These are not things that can be easily explained in a way that
makes complete sense to the mind. It is like when you are dreaming, an alarm clock will wake
you and so bring you out of the dream state. Both the clock and the ringing are inside the dream
state itself, but they will still awaken you from sleep. Similarly, the true prayer has the power towake you up from the phenomenal waking state into timeless Awareness, a space where seeing,
being and the ultimate are one.
This, the natural state, is the unmoving inside the moving, but it is also the moving. It is the
moving and the unmoving. This is what I call the God-Self. It is the unmixed consciousness and
alone is the face of the Real. It is the one who is called Allah and the one who is called Jehovah
and the one who is called Ishvara and the one who is called Siva. It is all of these, and beyond
these also. It is unborn, limitless and timeless Awareness. This is the ultimate Truth.

This is from the link regarding Mooji's book

Chris

[Guish]

Got a picture of Devadatta trying to kill Buddha. I mentioned about it some time ago.

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[Wind]

People ask me, ' How did you wake up?
How did you do it?'
I say, I didn't do it, it did me.
Actually, it undid 'me'.
And the same one that undid me is now inside this body trying to undo 'you'.

~ Mooji

[BenzSolo]

"No Attachments No Aversions" and "The Power of Love" by Lester Levenson are about one mans journey into a state of enlightenment, very nice reading, much I could add here, but am on a time crunch at the moment. For anyone interested in the subject of enlightenment I recommend these books as you get an idea of what it is really like. Nice books. As an added last side note a woman named Mother Meera lives about three miles down the road from me, she is enlightened and then some, no point in reinventing the wheel, if people want to become rich associate with and learn from rich people, if you want to become enlightened then associate with those who are, read about them and their experiences, as learning from those who are is the best way to go about it. To paraphrase someone I met who has actually achieved enlightenment (a man here in Germany), "Too many Buddhists are trying to be Buddhists, no one is trying to be the Buddha.". Thanks for bringing up the subject of enlightenment, best regards.

[greybeard]

Welcome to the thread BenzSolo and thanks for the post.

Best wishes
Chris

[Guish]

"Too many Buddhists are trying to be Buddhists, no one is trying to be the Buddha."

You can't try to be what you already are. Buddha showed methods to tackle the ego and transcend it. He never said to imitate him.

[greybeard]

One of the best sayings attributed to the Buddha is

"Put no head above your own"

Much Love
Chris

[ZooLife]

One of the best sayings attributed to the Buddha is

"Put no head above your own"

Much Love
Chris


That would put one A-HEAD above the rest and A-HEAD of the game.

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Which one is A-HEAD?

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[Wind]

The greatest disciples of a master like Christ were not necessarily his contemporaries.
They may not have been among the renowned twelve.
The twelve had to be who they were for the story to bring about what it should according to God's will.
But the best disciples may not have been there at the actual time of the historical Christ. It is the total trust,
obedience and belief in the power of his words and spirit that produces a true disciple.
'The best one' means one who disappears or merges in the Master due to the perfect understanding and surrender -
one in whom the concept of separation has perished.
Perhaps his greatest disciples are yet to be born, and through them he will come again.
However, from the highest standpoint, Christ is ever present within us as the light of life.

We only need to wake up to this recognition inside our heart.

~ Mooji

[Innocent Warrior]

"Life is a balance of holding on and letting go." ~ Rumi

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[ZooLife]

We are never apart but what brings us together through the illusion of separateness are core / common experiences.

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[Guish]

The greatest disciples of a master like Christ were not necessarily his contemporaries.
They may not have been among the renowned twelve.
The twelve had to be who they were for the story to bring about what it should according to God's will.
But the best disciples may not have been there at the actual time of the historical Christ. It is the total trust,
obedience and belief in the power of his words and spirit that produces a true disciple.
'The best one' means one who disappears or merges in the Master due to the perfect understanding and surrender -
one in whom the concept of separation has perished.
Perhaps his greatest disciples are yet to be born, and through them he will come again.
However, from the highest standpoint, Christ is ever present within us as the light of life.

We only need to wake up to this recognition inside our heart.

~ Mooji

True but this has been overplayed and so called masters abused many people. I'd never advise surrender to the master. As Budha said, don't believe anyone's words unless it makes sense to your heart, not even mine.

[Wind]

I agree, Guish. I don't personally have any "master" and have always had a distrust towards authorities. Too many stories of the abuse of power and respect has to be earned. With great power comes great responsibility, as they say. I just have huge appreciation for some teachers, such as Buddha and Christ. Also the teachings of Tolle, Mooji and Paul Brunton have helped me greatly. I always tell people to listen to the voice of their hearts instead of the mind, at least that's what I try to do.

"To be born again, in the sense that Jesus used this phrase when speaking to Nicodemus, means to leave the ego's limited and outward awareness for the Overself's infinite and inward awareness.

The eventual trend of evolution is through and away from personality, as we now know it. We shall find ourselves afresh in a higher individuality, the soul. To achieve this, the lower characteristics have slowly to be shed. In this sense, we do die to the earthly self and are born again in the higher self. That is the only real death awaiting us.

Buddha swore an oath under the sacred banyan tree, where he came to know himself, that he would not pass from our sphere of evolution until he had been reborn again and again, to help laggard humanity reach what he himself had reached. So Jesus keeps ever in inner contact with those who need him--and that means millions. He is not dead, cannot die. And the love which brought him here from afar keeps him here."

~ Paul Brunton

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[Wind]

Don't try and fathom God. He is inscrutable.
Disappear as ego and you will find the Supreme Lord
sitting inside your Heart; initially, in the form, 'I Am', then finally, as Absolute and Limitless Awareness Being.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

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[Wind]

Few people can grasp the Truth as it really is.
They grasp it intellectually,
but when it is grasped in the Heart or It grasps you in the Heart,
then It grasps you so fully that there are no longer two.
There is no ‘you’ and It, there is only Truth.
Truth suffocates the ego.
The grip of God suffocates the ego.
It cannot breathe, and merges into the One.

~ Mooji

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[Grizz Griswold]

Few people can grasp the Truth as it really is.
They grasp it intellectually,
but when it is grasped in the Heart or It grasps you in the Heart,
then It grasps you so fully that there are no longer two.
There is no ‘you’ and It, there is only Truth.
Truth suffocates the ego.
The grip of God suffocates the ego.
It cannot breathe, and merges into the One.

~ Mooji

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Additions to the above.
For those who would remember.

Few people can grasp the Truth as it really is.
They grasp it intellectually,
( For they struggle so hard to forget that which is unforgettable)

but when it is grasped in the Heart or It grasps you in the Heart,
then It grasps you so fully that there are no longer two.
There is no ‘you’ and It, there is only Truth.
(Now it is remembered)

Truth suffocates the ego.
The grip of God suffocates the ego.
It cannot breathe, and merges into the One.
( For it could never exist, without Your forgetting, all illusion is now clearly seen)

With Love
b

[Innocent Warrior]

The path of enlightenment is clear to me, but I wonder how attaining enlightenment plays out. Elkhart Tolle had that event where his ego died and was in bliss after that. Is that how it happens for everyone? Or can it be gradual and much longer? I wonder what the record is for the longest time taken before attaining enlightenment, I think I'm going to break it.

[Guish]

There's peace/bliss on the face of the one who knows truth
Truth needs no proof
Truth is simple
Let the veils of ignorance fall
Let illusion dissolve

[Guish]

The path of enlightenment is clear to me, but I wonder how attaining enlightenment plays out. Elkhart Tolle had that event where his ego died and was in bliss after that. Is that how it happens for everyone? Or can it be gradual and much longer? I wonder what the record is for the longest time taken before attaining enlightenment, I think I'm going to break it.

It took Buddha many lifetimes to be enlightened. Buddha's enlightenment is different to what others think enlightenment is. His face was complete bliss. I think others have a glimpse of truth. Starting the path is important sister. The rest will fall into place on its own.

[Wind]

“The vast universal suffering feel as thine:
Thou must bear the sorrow that thou claimst to heal;
The day-bringer must walk in darkest night.
He who would save the world must share its pain.
If he knows not grief, how shall he find grief’s cure?
If far he walks above mortality’s head,
How shall the mortal reach that too high path?
If one of theirs they see scale heaven’s peaks,
Men then can hope to learn that titan climb.
God must be born on earth and be as man
That man being human may grow even as God.”

– From Savitri by Sri Aurobindo (http://www.writespirit.net/authors/sri-aurobindo/biography-sri-aurobindo/)

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[Innocent Warrior]

The path of enlightenment is clear to me, but I wonder how attaining enlightenment plays out. Elkhart Tolle had that event where his ego died and was in bliss after that. Is that how it happens for everyone? Or can it be gradual and much longer? I wonder what the record is for the longest time taken before attaining enlightenment, I think I'm going to break it.

It took Buddha many lifetimes to be enlightened. Buddha's enlightenment is different to what others think enlightenment is. His face was complete bliss. I think others have a glimpse of truth. Starting the path is important sister. The rest will fall into place on its own.

You're right Guish. Ok, so can we just stay in the peaceful place inside us while the illusion dissolves? Or are we bound to experiencing suffering until we are enlightened?

Meaning, am I doing it wrong, and can aim to stay in that peaceful place or is suffering par for the course?

[Guish]

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The path of enlightenment is clear to me, but I wonder how attaining enlightenment plays out. Elkhart Tolle had that event where his ego died and was in bliss after that. Is that how it happens for everyone? Or can it be gradual and much longer? I wonder what the record is for the longest time taken before attaining enlightenment, I think I'm going to break it.

It took Buddha many lifetimes to be enlightened. Buddha's enlightenment is different to what others think enlightenment is. His face was complete bliss. I think others have a glimpse of truth. Starting the path is important sister. The rest will fall into place on its own.

You're right Guish. Ok, so can we just stay in the peaceful place inside us while the illusion dissolves? Or are we bound to experiencing suffering until we are enlightened?

Meaning, am I doing it wrong, and can aim to stay in that peaceful place or is suffering par for the course?

Knowing your pure state is important because you know there's something else but don't get attached to it because everything changes. Suffering makes one think about the meaning of life. Hence, it can be important. The ego will play all sort of tricks and you are bound to suffer mentally. There's another suffering which also comes once one realises the inter connectedness with everything. You won't dare kill even mosquito and seeing others suffer will shatter you down as well. Everyone will become your own but you won't be attached to them. You can give peace to others only if you are peaceful.. Hence, you are doing well. However, if you just keep your peace for you and live as a recluse, it's not beneficial and defies the cause.

[Innocent Warrior]

Knowing your pure state is important because you know there's something else but don't get attached to it because everything changes. Suffering makes one think about the meaning of life. Hence, it can be important. The ego will play all sort of tricks and you are bound to suffer mentally. There's another suffering which also comes once one realises the inter connectedness with everything. You won't dare kill even mosquito and seeing others suffer will shatter you down as well. Everyone will become your own but you won't be attached to them. You can give peace to others only if you are peaceful.. Hence, you are doing well. However, if you just keep your peace for you and live as a recluse, it's not beneficial and defies the cause.

Well that's encouraging. I'm doing pretty good with inter connectedness too then.


However, if you just keep your peace for you and live as a recluse, it's not beneficial and defies the cause.

Hmm, I'm totally doing this. I'll have to address this.

* * *

Chris, do you have a good link for the stages of enlightenment, if I remember correctly, you said Hawkins is good for that, is that right? I had a look but couldn't find anything comprehensive, just bits and pieces.

[Wind]

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[greybeard]

Hi Rachel
Hawkins intimated that he was at the highest level of enlightenment---who knows!!!
The full description is in Power vs Force
In the 700 to 1000 calibration range there are several level of enlightenment not mentioned here but it gives an overview
Its a logarithmic scale so there is an enormous spiritual power range from 700-1000
He calibrated Archangels at 50.000---so we have a bit to go. lol

Love Chris

There is more on the link--a search for Dr Hawkins map of consciousness on a search engine will pull up a few and there might be more info to be found.


http://happyvibes.net/the-hawkins-scale.html
Enlightenment 700-1000
This is the highest level of human consciousness where one has become like God. Many see this as Christ, Buddha, or Krishna. These are those who have influenced all of mankind.

Peace 600-700
Peace is achieved after a life of complete surrender to the Creator. It is where you have transcended all and have entered that place that Hawkins calls illumination. Here, a stillness and silence of mind is achieved, allowing for constant revelation. Only 1 in 10 million (that’s .00001 percent) people will arrive at this level.

Joy 540-600
This is the level of saints and advanced spiritual people. As love becomes more unconditional, there follows a constant accompaniment of true happiness. No personal tragedy or world event could ever shake someone living at this level of consciousness. They seem to inspire and lift all those who come in contact with them. Your life is now in complete harmony with the will of Divinity and the fruits of that harmony are expressed in your joy.

[ZooLife]

Enlightenment 700-1000
This is the highest level of human consciousness where one has become like God. Many see this as Christ, Buddha, or Krishna. These are those who have influenced all of mankind.

Peace 600-700
Peace is achieved after a life of complete surrender to the Creator. It is where you have transcended all and have entered that place that Hawkins calls illumination. Here, a stillness and silence of mind is achieved, allowing for constant revelation. Only 1 in 10 million (that’s .00001 percent) people will arrive at this level.

Joy 540-600
This is the level of saints and advanced spiritual people. As love becomes more unconditional, there follows a constant accompaniment of true happiness. No personal tragedy or world event could ever shake someone living at this level of consciousness. They seem to inspire and lift all those who come in contact with them. Your life is now in complete harmony with the will of Divinity and the fruits of that harmony are expressed in your joy.


I forgot my score card at the gate.

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[Wind]

"The ideas in a man's mind are hidden and secret until he expresses them through actions, or as speech, or as the visible creations and productions of his hands, or in behaviour generally. Those ideas are neither lost nor destroyed. They are a permanent part of the man's memory and character and consciousness and subconsciousness, where they have been recorded as automatically and as durably as a master phonograph disc records music. Just as a wax copy may be burnt but the music will still live on in the master disc, so the cosmos may be annihilated or disintegrate completely but the creative idea of it will still live on in the World-Mind. More, in the same way a man's body may die and disintegrate but the creative idea of him will still live on in the World-Mind.

More, in the same way a man's body may die and disintegrate, but the creative idea of him will still remain in the World-Mind as his Soul. It will not die. It's his real Self, his perfect Self. It is the true Idea of him which is forever calling to be realized. It is the unmanifest image of God in which man is made and which he has yet to bring into manifestation in his everyday consciousness."

~ Paul Brunton

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[greybeard]

I have to say is, that I think Dr H went overboard on calibration.

For me his books that focused just on spiritual progress were for me superb.
However, there is a lot of good work in Power vs Force/The hidden determinants of human behaviour.
The fact that there are hidden determinates was an eye opener for me.
Have you watched a flock of starlings flying as one or a shoal of fish?
They are at one with an energy field.

Humans are virtually the same--we gravitate to the same energy as we have--"Like to like" we recognise ourselves "unconsciously" in the other.
So the scale of consciousness makes sense when we see what attracts us and what/whom we are lead to associate with.

We have higher ideals (a higher spiritual vibration) or not as the case might be.
We mix with people who have the same belief system, social values as we have.

So in order to move forward we have to become aware of all of the aforementioned and be prepared to let these go.
We become empty of all these notions--we just no longer identify with whatever is happening--without judging.

Love Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I70hVAEs-o

[ZooLife]

You know, Chris, when you speak of these things I think of the title to a song by Jimmy Buffet:

Changes In Latitudes, Changes In Attitudes


Equator: Zero degree latitude

Latitude: Elbow room


Equator: No room for error.


(A little abstract so here is a picture.... :) )


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[truthseekerdan]

For my friends here, another NDE well "worth the time" to watch... Enjoy!

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[greybeard]

Good to see you here Dan.
Great video--we are just here to learn to love each other and God is everything.

Much love
Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Hi Rachel
Hawkins intimated that he was at the highest level of enlightenment---who knows!!!
The full description is in Power vs Force
In the 700 to 1000 calibration range there are several level of enlightenment not mentioned here but it gives an overview
Its a logarithmic scale so there is an enormous spiritual power range from 700-1000
He calibrated Archangels at 50.000---so we have a bit to go. lol

Love Chris


My intuition tells me that the following are less distorted views on "en~lighten~ment"...

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[Guish]

I have to say is, that I think Dr H went overboard on calibration.

For me his books that focused just on spiritual progress were for me superb.
However, there is a lot of good work in Power vs Force/The hidden determinants of human behaviour.
The fact that there are hidden determinates was an eye opener for me.
Have you watched a flock of starlings flying as one or a shoal of fish?
They are at one with an energy field.

Humans are virtually the same--we gravitate to the same energy as we have--"Like to like" we recognise ourselves "unconsciously" in the other.
So the scale of consciousness makes sense when we see what attracts us and what/whom we are lead to associate with.

We have higher ideals (a higher spiritual vibration) or not as the case might be.
We mix with people who have the same belief system, social values as we have.

So in order to move forward we have to become aware of all of the aforementioned and be prepared to let these go.
We become empty of all these notions--we just no longer identify with whatever is happening--without judging.

Love Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I70hVAEs-o


He has a good sense of humor. Only knowledge can wipe out ignorance and ignorance is one of the causes of suffering. As knowledge increases, there's more awareness. Intellectually understanding this does not weaken the ego. That's where Spirituality is a good tool. One can't think clearly when the mind makes noise. Hence, one is automatically less aware. The root is the mind....

[Guish]

Zen poetry is the closest that describe enlightenment to me. Words are limited....

In complete silence words are forgotten,
Total clarity appears before you.
When you reflect it, it is boundlessly vast,
And your body becomes numinous.

Numinous it is illuminated without relying on anything,
In illumination, you return to the transcendent.
The dewy moon on the Milky Way,
The snow-clad pine on the cloudy peak.

Hongzhi Zhengjue (1091-1157)