Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[greybeard]

Im always aware that guests visit this thread therefore I try to keep it simple and to my understanding of the moment which I dont claim to be correct.
There is a challenge as I have to go up and down levels to attempt at understandable posts.

Advaita police--sorry purists do not like the use of "I" me mine anything that denotes an individual person but we live in a world where this is normal communication

Its certainly not an elite "we" know place its not purist, in that various understandings of spirituality are welcome--many teachers are featured over the months.
Something I hope for every one who visits here.

Thats the thought of the moment. --I nearly said my thought Lol

All kind of things happen, the thing is not to claim ownership in as, I did this--or its happening to me,though these thoughts will ocur from time to time--thing is not own the thought--To whom did this thought arise--it arose to me, Who is this me?

Much love and good night
Chris

[Foxie Loxie]

I laughed out loud at the "shut up" phrase!! :highfive: Rather than to have to have to do that, I simply withdrew from a social circle I no longer am able to cope with!! My heart is at a point where I can no longer take stress of any kind, so I keep things simple! I always enjoy reading what is written on this thread. :star:

[jimrich]

Im always aware that guests visit this thread therefore I try to keep it simple ......--To whom did this thought arise--it arose to me, Who is this me?
I am either the self (ego) or the Self which is also known as: Oneness [which includes the ego], All that there is, Divinity, Awareness, Consciousness, Being, Knowing, Wholeness, Unity, Mind, This, That, the Absolute, the Ultimate Self, GOD and on and on.
The simple version: I am me or ME (without any 'me').
Dang, its already to complicated! :beer:

[jimrich]

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Some folks might enjoy this group and their free daily messages,
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[jimrich]

Here is something that some folks might like from Rupert Spira:

http://non-duality.rupertspira.com/subscribe

email: newsletter@rupertspira.com

A sample of the messages they send out each day:

"Just as steam, water and ice are all modulations of one substance, so the mind, body and world are all modulations of one Being – the ever-present light of pure Knowing."

:)

[greybeard]

Lake made me think as to why I tend to quote the Mystics
Its a bit like Henry Ford when asked a question that he did not know the answer to He said "I don't know but I know some one who does"
So in order to share a post that might be helpful I quote a teacher I found to be understandable on a particular subject, in that particular context--if you remove context, dont post the whole quote, you render it meaningless or prone to misunderstanding.

Some teachers will say empty awareness is end result and that may well be their experience--others will say that prior to that is The Absolute without the human characteristic of awareness--even Self awareness is just a description that Implies a witness state which is not it. The Absolute is not Self aware.
The Buddha said you might not even be aware of your own enlightenment Nasargadtta said sometimes he is not even aware that he is.
So if I make an authoritative statement, as though I know, I will quickly attribute the source of that statement because I don know.--I know about but that is not it.
I am not an authority on the subject of enlightenment.

The wave can not claim to be the Ocean though it is of the one substance--the enlightened can claim to be the totality, all of it--I cant, its not my experience.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

The late Dr David Hawkins who's teaching the early part of this thread was based on said that there are different levels of enlightenment which incidentally he measured energetically.
He claimed memory of past lives and said one time he ended up in the void which seemed complete but it was devoid of love so he had to come back for a further lifetime to go on beyond that.
He said that The Buddha Christ and Krishna had attained the highest level possible on this very dense earth environment.
His books are possibly the best I have ever read on transcending the ego becoming enlightened

http://veritaspub.com/about_us.php.


I was so impressed that I went to America to his lecture "Living the prayer" even though Icoul not really afford to go---every spare penny was spent on going to talks by the enlightened. Im not going into that as it has been mentioned way back.
Anyway as luck would have it I met him and he shook my hand--a long standing fear of hights was removed as I discovered later.
He claimed that meeting with an enlightened sage was beneficial as part of their aura was permanently attached to yours.
He also implied that he was at the highest level of enlightenment from time to time--thats a may be so.
He explained that as same energy but different voltages.

So what ever teacher move you at the moment out of whatever concepts you have thats the right one for you.
All concepts, belief systems have to be released as they are all obstacles.
The moment you think you know you are in trouble.---been there.

Going to go back to being quiet

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Lake I have taken the liberty of posting here a link to one of your posts which I feel is really suited to this thread enlightenment and related mtters
Please feel free to post similar on this thread

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74571-Quantum-Physics-the-Double-Slit-Experiment-and-the-Inseperability-of-Matter-and-Consciousness.&p=1036308&viewfull=1#post1036308

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Nothing comes from nothing
I have posted this before but if even the first twenty minutes are listened to intently several times it will give insight into Absolute beyond all concepts and belief systems.
It shook some of mine.
Much love
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgmjJ7eu5sA

[Clear Light]

Either way - "Enlightenment" should be your last option. Don't seek it and then you'll probably find it.

Find what?

If one finds it, it isn't it.

Ah, but who is the one who is Searching ?

The one who is Searching is the false illusory self, having heard of something called "enlightenment" that can apparently resolve all of its miseries eh ?

But what it cannot understand is its own "empty" nature, that is, the lack of any inherent substance whatsoever ... like a Dream !

How can "I" not exist it ponders ?

If "I" cease what then happens it wonders ?

-----

Now all of the above is the so-called "self" one has grown up as, through no fault of anyone's, it's just the way things seem to work !

>>> BUT BUT BUT <<<

What is Aware as all these "empty" stories and "transient" thoughts and "negative" emotions play over and over through one's mind / heart ?

ONLY IF "you" pay attention [1] to these inner processes will their "empty" nature be made apparent and thus is possible the disidentification with / as them !!! [2]

-----

Phew ! What a relief ! "I" am none of those things (collectively known as the "Ego") !!!

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[1] And in doing so you (if you're feeling brave enough) will likely be confronted with your own Behavioural, Moral, Ethical and other "personal issues" eh ?

[2] For example : "Who is the one who feels worthless" or perhaps "Who is the one who feels shame and regret" ?

[lake]

Hey Chris

If we are talking of interesting words to discuss....then this quote by Jiddu Krishnamurti posted by Carmody today, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93195-BURNING-MAN-Elites-get---burned---by-the-hooligans.&p=1097035&viewfull=1#post1097035


“Do not repeat after me words that you do not understand. Do not merely put on a mask of my ideas, for it will be an illusion and you will thereby deceive yourself.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organize a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organize it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallized; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others. This is what everyone throughout the world is attempting to do. Truth is narrowed down and made a plaything for those who are weak, for those who are only momentarily discontented. Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley. If you would attain to the mountain-top you must pass through the valley, climb the steeps, unafraid of the dangerous precipices. -Jiddu krishnamurti

I found worth reading twice! :clapping:

[greybeard]

Hello lake
Yes by coincidence Stephen Wolinsky has quoted that "I maintain that Truth is a pathless land," twice in his videos.
J Krishnamurti was, as you probably know, a good friend of David Bohm famous scientist.
I love when science and spirituality come together.
I dont have enough knowledge of that field to post much here---feel free to post anything of that nature here.
I never got into Krishnamurti because Im deaf and could not make out from poor quality videos what he was saying.

Much Love
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghaOldx8uM

[greybeard]

David Joseph Bohm FRS[1] (December 20, 1917 – October 27, 1992) was an American scientist who has been described as one of the most significant theoretical physicists of the 20th century[2] and who contributed innovative and unorthodox ideas to quantum theory, neuropsychology and the philosophy of mind.

Bohm advanced the view that quantum physics meant that the old Cartesian model of reality – that there are two kinds of substance, the mental and the physical, that somehow interact – was too limited. To complement it, he developed a mathematical and physical theory of "implicate" and "explicate" order.[3] He also believed that the brain, at the cellular level, works according to the mathematics of some quantum effects, and postulated that thought is distributed and non-localised


Mystics speak of non location---=omnipresent.

Chris

[Zampano]

The "Bohm and Krishnamurti Talks" are really a milestone...when Science meets Spirituality.

I have a good friend who is a researcher and theoretical phycisist and mathematician in quantum mechanics.
We go twice a year on vacation and help each other on our way for some years and its always fruitful.
Thanks for bringing it up, krishnamurti, carmody, lake and chris.
Realization can happen through lots of differents ways...neurobiology, meditation, self inquiry, philosphy, trial and error method, quantum science,...

[joeecho]

There is no one that knows no one like no one.

[Clear Light]

Oh, here's a little something I put together for your consideration vis-à-vis "No Self" :idea:


. : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : .

Our waking "sense of self" is like the endless appearance of waves upon the surface of the ocean ...

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But if in a moment of spontaneous clarity the conceptual mind recognises its own nature as being that of the ocean, then ...

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. : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : .

As a word of "Advice" if I may be so bold ?

For those who are perhaps Contemplating the above, please do not make the "mistake" of Reifying (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/reify) it all as it will then likely become a kind of intellectual Goal or Target for the selfsame Seeker to Achieve or Accomplish ... no, IMHO, it's far better to Relax as much as possible (while remaining Alert of course LOL) so as to allow for such Moments to naturally arise of their own accord ... I do not mean this in the sense of Meditation BTW !!! :)

[Clear Light]

There is no one that knows no one like no one.

Oh, says who ... ??? LOL :p

[greybeard]

There is no one that knows no one like no one.

Oh, says who ... ??? LOL :p

I looked but I could not see "who" anywhere.
Maybe I should go to Specsavers.

May be there is nothing going on here.

Much love
c

[joeecho]

There is no one that knows no one like no one.

Oh, says who ... ??? LOL :p

The obvious answer is: No one.

But then again, it's not obvious because there is no one to observe it.

Even no idea is an idea.
Knowing nothing is still knowing something, you know?

Silence is a sound if one is aware of its absence.

Escape is futile least we forget that that is its value.

https://theawakezone.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/lies.jpeg

[Clear Light]

There is no one that knows no one like no one.

Oh, says who ... ??? LOL :p

I looked but I could not see "who" anywhere.
Maybe I should go to Specsavers.

May be there is nothing going on here.

Much love
c

Ah, I hope you're enjoying your "Absence" as much as "I" am LOL ;)

[greybeard]

Its a difficult balance having a bit of fun--being true to the concept of Avaita and Self realization in general--and being our self- Nasargadatta of course said there is no self.
Ego is of course part of the illusion.
None of it is to be taken seriously.
The cosmic joke is on me.

Much love c

[greybeard]

Quiet is relevant---someone has to have a sense of order amongst all these schoolboys and I aint no teacher.
Much love and you are "all quiet", love able oops is that how you spell quite
I give up.
c

[Clear Light]

https://theawakezone.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/lies.jpeg

oh, Joeecho, I'm not sure what you're implying (if anything) with this image by the way ?

It does kind of raise one or two insinuations about who is and who isn't telling the "truth" and in the world of P.A. and some potential Conspiratorial entanglements I'm going to keep an open mind about it ... ;)

[greybeard]

Here is a thought--we are playing with words in Zen fashion the words have multi meanings

TRUST THE LIES___ARE ___NOT___THE TRUTH

Try that version for size..

Much love.
Chris

[joeecho]

oh, Joeecho, I'm not sure what you're implying (if anything) with this image by the way ?

It does kind of raise one or two insinuations about who is and who isn't telling the "truth" and in the world of P.A. and some potential Conspiratorial entanglements I'm going to keep an open mind about it ... ;)

Counter intuitive, no?

'Trusting lies' makes it impossible for something to slip so easily past one as truth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OckeCMNj7Lo


The Bigger the trick and older the trick the easier it is to pull. Based on two principles. They think it can't be that old. They think it can't be that big. -- Revolver (2007)

[Googol Plex]

Googol Plex I forgot to welcome you to the thread so I do so now.

You last post is interesting and helpful.
Enlightenment means simply the removal of ignorance, the ignorance being the belief that I am a separate individual entity.

I prefer the term Self realization---the True Self which, has ever been here, is revealed after the layers of not Self are removed.
Its true that only a tiny % are Self realized but that number, percentage, seems to be growing.
The advice is to make great effort until one gets it that nothing works---through this it seems that one has become accident prone--Self realization would seem to be almost an accident a random occurrence.

However as you said, more or less, dont expect or try for enlightenment--seems the effort gets in the way, yet another obstacle.

The paradox is that you are not doing anything.

None of it makes sense to "my" logical mind---yet I believe it to be so.
I tend to point people to Tim's thread as one of the most clear descriptions of awakening.

Much love
Chris

Thank you for the welcome, but I probably won't be staying.

The talk, the forums posts, the ideas, the never ending and perpetual cycle of paradoxical thinking and differing views (from "people" like us) seems to be shooting back at each other ("us"), creating more distance than it does help clarifying Truth.

I know well about all of this stuff - it's nothing new to me. But what all of this stuff really boils down to is for people to start doing the math for themselves, and not relying on posts like your or mine (or name whoever in this thread) to help them on their way : Are you just reading up on "Enlightenment" and "Truth" and "Self Discovery" on the internet, or are you actually learning about this within yourself, and going through the hard work?

The internet gives you whatever you want. If you want like minded people, just go look for them.

I don't know what "waking up" and "truth" means to anyone else. To some it may portray like a daily experience of just waking up and walking into the perfect picture world of (whatever wished for) reality that they have had in mind (before waking up).

Well, that's still fantasy. Why bother with the real thing? Because you already have that.

I don't really feel like I can contribute anything more to this space, so I will leave it at that. Please feel free to not like or make a reply to this comment so that whatever I have had to say on this matter is all over with.

Peace.

[greybeard]

The untrue points to the truth, process of elimination----not this neity neity.
Perhaps the untruth is therefore more valuable or just more helpful.

Nasargadarta All pointers point to that which does not exist.

Anyway Im tired, off to meditate, then sleep

Much love as ever
c

[lake]

@Googol Plex
Your being a tad harsh I feel....others need to find a semblance of balance within a new consideration or do you consider that stance as immature?

Time although a 'rounded' quantity has a emotional connection to wavering thoughts and these 'fields' of being can become vastly more than currents now projected.
Would you discard and 'trash' them all?

by the way 'Peace' is the angel of death!

[Clear Light]

oh, Joeecho, I'm not sure what you're implying (if anything) with this image by the way ?

It does kind of raise one or two insinuations about who is and who isn't telling the "truth" and in the world of P.A. and some potential Conspiratorial entanglements I'm going to keep an open mind about it ... ;)

Counter intuitive, no?

'Trusting lies' makes it impossible for something to slip so easily past one as truth


Hmmm ... it's certainly not "black and white" by any means, however it does beg the question, to my mind at least : Who's lies ?

[joeecho]

Googol Plex I forgot to welcome you to the thread so I do so now.

You last post is interesting and helpful.
Enlightenment means simply the removal of ignorance, the ignorance being the belief that I am a separate individual entity.

I prefer the term Self realization---the True Self which, has ever been here, is revealed after the layers of not Self are removed.
Its true that only a tiny % are Self realized but that number, percentage, seems to be growing.
The advice is to make great effort until one gets it that nothing works---through this it seems that one has become accident prone--Self realization would seem to be almost an accident a random occurrence.

However as you said, more or less, dont expect or try for enlightenment--seems the effort gets in the way, yet another obstacle.

The paradox is that you are not doing anything.

None of it makes sense to "my" logical mind---yet I believe it to be so.
I tend to point people to Tim's thread as one of the most clear descriptions of awakening.

Much love
Chris

Thank you for the welcome, but I probably won't be staying.

The talk, the forums posts, the ideas, the never ending and perpetual cycle of paradoxical thinking and differing views (from "people" like us) seems to be shooting back at each other ("us"), creating more distance than it does help clarifying Truth.

I know well about all of this stuff - it's nothing new to me. But what all of this stuff really boils down to is for people to start doing the math for themselves, and not relying on posts like your or mine (or name whoever in this thread) to help them on their way : Are you just reading up on "Enlightenment" and "Truth" and "Self Discovery" on the internet, or are you actually learning about this within yourself, and going through the hard work?

The internet gives you whatever you want. If you want like minded people, just go look for them.

I don't know what "waking up" and "truth" means to anyone else. To some it may portray like a daily experience of just waking up and walking into the perfect picture world of (whatever wished for) reality that they have had in mind (before waking up).

Well, that's still fantasy. Why bother with the real thing? Because you already have that.

I don't really feel like I can contribute anything more to this space, so I will leave it at that. Please feel free to not like or make a reply to this comment so that whatever I have had to say on this matter is all over with.

Peace.

It matters not where one engages or not engages, your story is not your story but that which is part of the whole story, never finished and always rewritten. Thank you.

Waves waved and eye sea, waved back.

[Googol Plex]

@Googol Plex
Your being a tad harsh I feel....others need to find a semblance of balance within a new consideration or do you consider that stance as immature?

Time although a 'rounded' quantity has a emotional connection to wavering thoughts and these 'fields' of being can become vastly more than currents now projected.
Would you discard and 'trash' them all?

by the way 'Peace' is the angel of death!

Precisely why I asked to not be quoted or asked about that post - I have no answers for you. Don't ask me, ask you.

[Clear Light]

Here is a thought--we are playing with words in Zen fashion the words have multi meanings

TRUST THE LIES___ARE ___NOT___THE TRUTH

Try that version for size..

Much love.
Chris

Oh, Chris, in the spirit of "playing with words", I do grok the "Zen" inference as in pointing to that which is beyond mere "Words" ... but I still feel that to have any real meaningful exchange, some sort of a shared Context is necessary that each of us "connects with" so-to-speak ... if you get my meaning ? :bigsmile:

[lake]

@Googol Plex ish
I didn't ask you nor quote you....I gave my thought on your posted words

really I want no answers from a being such as you.......but I find it funny reading your typed words then watching you watch others for your own ego

lol

[Googol Plex]

@Googol Plex ish
I didn't ask you nor quote you....I gave my thought on your posted words

really I want no answers from a being such as you.......but I find it funny reading your typed words then watching you watch others for your own ego

lol

400th post coming! Make it as destructive as you can!

[joeecho]

..........playing with words....

Do you think playing with words is only playing with words? In my experience it is more then that in so many ways. It boggling the mind what words are capable of.

Ordinary example: Just saying the word 'fart' to a certain age/ type of person can make them smile or laugh. How can that connection be? It's just a word.

In non-enlightenment lingo, words are magical. I mean how can the sound of a words whether externally or internally heard create various degrees of a physical response? Words can act symbolically like puppet strings upon the populous and certainly religions know all too well of the power/ magic of words.

A thread about the power/ magic of words would be an interesting one.

[joeecho]

400th post coming! Make it as destructive as you can!

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/67346907.jpg

[greybeard]

Stephen Wolinsky speaks about words in one of his videos, at best they are one level down from the original.
What leads to misunderstandings is speaking from and about different levels.

I find Wolinsky's videos very clear but not for taking out of context--which I can do.
He founded Quantum Psychology so there is reference to that also.

If you stick with his talks there is no paradox---a clear "trail" from the Absolute to the "me"
Everything to be let go of as "Not this" Nisargadatta said "Everything is an illusion" that is without exception.

The Absolute has no awareness.
Absolute is prior to everything you can conceive or perceive---including awareness.

You can accept what Nisargadatta said or not.

Is any of this helpful? ----only perhaps when the stage you are at is identified and discarded as not this---speaking really of me.

Even the teachings eventually have to be discarded and you are back to "Be still, be quiet, remain in the Self"

In order to do this possibly you have to exhaust the need for teachings first

Any realized sage will tell you that nothing they did brought about the shift called Self realization---you cant make it happen.

A said way back you can prepare for it.
I hope this is helpful.

I really just, in the main, talk to my self address my own thoughts on this thread.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Here is a thought--we are playing with words in Zen fashion the words have multi meanings

TRUST THE LIES___ARE ___NOT___THE TRUTH

Try that version for size..

Much love.
Chris

Oh, Chris, in the spirit of "playing with words", I do grok the "Zen" inference as in pointing to that which is beyond mere "Words" ... but I still feel that to have any real meaningful exchange, some sort of a shared Context is necessary that each of us "connects with" so-to-speak ... if you get my meaning ? :bigsmile:

Oh yes Truth is beyond words but in order to have a meaningful conversation--there has to be shared context.

Fun stuff or even Zen where the mind can come up with answers or go blank is fine but open to misunderstanding.
The fact that most communicative, face to face, is non verbal is a challenge on a forum particularly where there are persons from different cultures, different conditioning--even different ages.
Which Is what I was meaning in a post a little way back---concerning visitors--we have a duty, smiling, to be at least attempting to use normal communication.
However there is a place for implying or having fun with words.

I was tired last night I had had a busy day and was perhaps unfair with school boy comment.
So if anyone is ever offended by anything I say I apologize---as said I try to keep the essence of the thread clear for all levels of visitors without being controlling.

Much love
Chris

[Wind]

In non-enlightenment lingo, words are magical. I mean how can the sound of a words whether externally or internally heard create various degrees of a physical response? Words can act symbolically like puppet strings upon the populous and certainly religions know all too well of the power/ magic of words.

A thread about the power/ magic of words would be an interesting one.

It depends especially how they are used and who is using the words. Even lies can become truths in the hands of the talented tricksters and deceivers. Most of our politicians speak a lot, but yet they say very little if anything. Just full of empty words. Then again, words can have a deep and meaningful impact if they come from the heart.

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-the-game-of-life-is-a-game-of-boomerangs-our-thoughts-deeds-and-words-return-to-us-sooner-or-florence-scovel-shinn-170270.jpg

[greybeard]

Stephen Wolinsky - Neuroscience, Free Will & The Self Illusion



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVHRRxUpog

[Wind]

"Where so many creatures are at early stages of descent into ego-experience and ego-development, it is foolish to expect them to respond to teachings suitable for advanced stages alone--where the need is for growing release from the ego. The first group naturally and inevitably has different, even opposing, outlooks, trends, ideas, beliefs, inclinations, and desires from those of the second one. It wants to fatten the ego, whereas the other wants to thin it down..."

"The source of wisdom and power, of love and beauty, is within ourselves, but not within our egos. It is within our consciousness. Indeed, its presence provides us with a conscious contrast which enables us to speak of the ego as if it were something different and apart: it is the true Self whereas the ego is only an illusion of the mind."

~ Paul Brunton

[greybeard]

Bruce Hood - "The Self Illusion: How Your Brain Creates You" - TAM 2012

Psychologist Bruce Hood explores how the brain creates the illusion of the self. Live on stage from TAM 2012.

With a special musical introduction from TAM emcee George Hrab.


Interesting talk---Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIDWcWn21gg

[joeecho]

Clarification:

Words are like an incarnation of spirit yet that too is an illusion because spirit in never carnal.

Words are temporally meaningful yet inherently meaningless.

[greybeard]

Nisargadatta Maharaj and Ramana Maharshi, part two
Published on Sep 11, 2016

He who is forgetful of the Self, mistaking the physical body for it, and goes through innumerable births, is like one who wanders all over the world in a dream. Thus realizing the Self would only be like waking up from the dream-wanderings. ~ Ramana Maharshi


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsivwG-yAUI

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Timothy Conway - 2nd Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview

Published on Sep 11, 2016

Also see https://batgap.com/timothy-conway/

Sheerly by Divine Grace, in 1971 Timothy woke up to nondual Reality, the Divine Reality or Self that is doing everything and being everybody. He has gratefully served ever since then as a simple “spiritual friend” (kalyana mitra) and since the 1980s as a satsang leader, counselor, healer, and author of over one hundred essays, as well as the book Women of Power & Grace: Nine Astonishing, Inspiring Luminaries of Our Time and forthcoming books (The Liberating Zen Sourcebook, the enormous 2-volume India’s Sages, and other works). His website Enlightened-Spirituality.org is a major resource on spiritual awakening, nondual wisdom and nondual devotion, engaged spirituality, illustrious sages and world religions, spiritual humor, and much more. After residing in the Santa Barbara region of the Great Dream from 1988 to mid-2016, Timothy and his wife Laura are residing in Vistancia, Arizona, for at least a year to be close to her family. Timothy continues to hold free satsangs and classes on a variety of spiritual topics and also see clients for psychological counseling services. His basic message: Your unborn TRUE IDENTITY is already complete, whole, and full as Absolute Awareness-Aliveness, and by the Grace-full Power of this Supra-personal Reality the personal consciousness “instrument” can be suffused with all sorts of beautiful Divine virtues.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DebLDHX9oCE

[greybeard]

Who Can Limit You? -- A Guided Meditation with Mooji

In the space of your Being
all manifest appearances
they appear
they arise
and dissolve
in the infinite space of Being.

This is witnessed in you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3CrZ7g3dyc

[greybeard]

Transcending the ego
This thread was founded on the works of Dr David Hawkins

Books like "The "I of The I"
"Discovery of the presence of God/Devotional non Duality"

I still have a bit to go with ego but at least there is an awareness when it is operating.

The books are wordy as you would expect of the intellect of the late Dr Hawkins but fascinating reads---starting with Power vs Force".
If you have a challenge transcending ego I can highly recommended the books.

http://veritaspub.com/product_info.php/discovery-the-presence-god-devotional-nonduality-p-158

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

You are a "personal" animation, emanation, manifestation of the Absolute.

c

[greybeard]

The reason for "Self inquiry" can be misunderstood.
Seemingly this leads to a revelation through this "Who am I?" that there is no "I" as in me.
No separate me.
The notion that there is a me is underpinned by belief that things happen to me---very personal.

I am this I am that etc.
I am the author of my actions
I am the doer.

"Event happen
deeds are done
there is no doer there of"

Attributed to Jesus this quote below.

"Of myself I do nothing it is the Father within"


The Truth is pointed to in simple statements like this.

The egoic mind does not wish to accept the simplicity of this.

Chris

[ZooLife]

You are a "personal" animation, emanation, manifestation of the Absolute.

c

If "you" say so. ;)

Something is manifested, that's for sure.

Don't blink, you might miss "me". If no one saw me manifest, did 'I' manifest? I better leave a clue that I was here just in case.

http://www.wineverygame.com/words/images/ephemeral.jpg

[lake]

Hi mate

You said to post in your thread anything which was related to "enlightenment or related matters"

Don't know if this would fit?
its a old thing but still relevant to me! It also is the manner which I interact with authority in this place! There is no set grammar in it as grammar in and of its self is a form of control....until the finish.......when it fully stops?

Don't know if you read it, nor what you consider regarding it....but I would like to? There are many questions in it.
Anyway if you have the time, have a read and let me know? I posted it here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59685-What-Does-Your-PA-Name-Mean&p=1093848&viewfull=1#post1093848



a true statement of being

on this date of 30-08-2012 according to your fiction

to assist all i will use your fiction of English language in its common usage so that you may better have comprehension

so that it helps whomever in physical form or fiction i will respond to a name chosen by that which is only of me and only for me
this name i will respond to verbally or in the written form of your fictional sounds and symbols called English in its common usage only

the symbol form in your fiction of English of this name is lake

for that which is i to be addressed by any other name apart as chosen by me will be incorrect because of the following

that which has being is not a name nor can be a fiction and is not required by divine creator to act as such nor have responsibility for such a name or fiction

that which is the minuscule spark given by divine creator which is i is not lake is not a physical form which exists in the reality you perceive nor a fiction given to the physical form

there is a fiction given the name MR XXXXXX by your corporate fictions which must comply to all given laws acts bills which have been created by fictions
this fiction i am not

there is a living body created of nature given the name xxxxxxx by the loving parents which has inalienable rights given by divine creation and which must exist by one law and one law only
this law is allow no harm
the inalienable rights given to this living body cannot be removed nor changed in any way except by divine creation
this living body i am not but this living body is created as a part of divine creation and has been granted to me to utilise only no others

there is that which i am
that which i am has been given the use of the physical form known by other physical bodies at this point of being as xxxxxxx by divine creation for the point of being which i have been tasked by divine creation in order to learn and experience for the divine creation
that which i am is not physical and not a fiction in your point of being
i became in being only as a minuscule glint of divine nature that created that which i am
i create in this reality as you have knowledge of such bodies do not fictions do not
i cannot be commanded nor confined unless by divine creation

you believe that you have authority over that which i am but your so called laws cannot have authority over that which has been created by the divine

you maybe believe you have authority over the physical form at this point of being called xxxxxxx but you cannot unless harm is caused by this physical form which will not occur as i lake am the spark of the divine which has control of said physical form

you believe you have authority over MR XXXXXXX a fiction in a world of fictions
this fiction was created by other physical forms acting as fictions at their point of being
then has been forced upon the physical form xxxxxxx without consent and now under duress
this fictional shadow cannot hold any rights over the physical form xxxxxxx the living body nor could it ever throughout eternity hold even the most infinitesimal right over that which is held in creation by the divine

i have been tasked to remind you not to confuse the 3 parts

the physical form xxxxxxxx unless by having caused harm in a natural reality created by the divine has no requirement of its equals to judge it

the physical form xxxxxxx is not an agent or employee of any of your fictional governments or agencys and is not required to consent to their fictional laws

the physical form xxxxxxxx is a natural part of this existence at this point of being and will be returned to this nature once i lake have completed the task set to me by divine creation

i lake state as right that the physical form xxxxxxx has been created for the purpose given to me and is in this point of being mine and mine alone to utilise

your wish to confine or enslave the physical form known as xxxxxxx by use of fictional pretensions may only create a disharmony for that which you truly are and make for that which you love a expansion of unwarranted harm so leading to your own judgement

i suggest that you remove your need for fictional authority over other parts of the divine as this want in your form can only hinder your own given work tasked by the divine

you cannot give any liability to me
i lake am fully responsible for all and any action of my given vessel
i relieve you and all other beings or thought forms of all and any requirement to limit the liability of any action by the physical living being known to you as xxxxxxx as the liability is mine and mine alone as charged by divine creation

the physical being known to you as xxxxxxx has no requirement of any benefits you wish to give nor will it be forced to be a member citizen person or any other form name you wish to give of any of your fictional society business corporations groups or the same by any other use of your fictional symbols

with regard to the complaint
the complaint being of a fictional nature holds no authority over the physical body xxxxxxx and has no contract which has been consented to by the physical body xxxxxxx
i know this to be the truth because i am the existence which is the control event of said physical being
any form of consent perceived by your personal fiction by the fiction MR XXXXXXX given by you to the physical living being known as xxxxxxx was under duress or and without equal consideration and even according to your own fictional maxims of your fictional law cannot stand and must be judged incorrect

i lake do not require your fictional monetary remedy

if you the being who reads this statement cannot understand the meaning of it and have self knowledge of it i suggest you find another whom may instruct you

what you create in this world becomes yours
what harm you create becomes yours
what suffering you create becomes yours
what turmoil you create becomes yours
you become that which you create


lake.

[greybeard]

Lake I have read and have an intuitive understanding of what is written.
What I am learning from Stephen Wolinsky is parallel to this
Basically he is saying that nothing exits and a name is pointing to that something which in reality does not exist----because there is a word we believe that it --the named exists.
The mind creates the thought that there is something to organize chaos------it does not let you see the emptiness which is 99.95% of the atom which makes up the object

The famous scientist said that Emptiness condensed becomes matter then the matter becomes emptiness again.

The Buddha said that formless is form and form is formless---everything pulses in and out of existence.

Before the "Big Bang" there was emptiness--Nothing.

I hope I have some grasp of what you are saying Lake.
It fits here.

We are the Rays of the Absolute.


(Audio Book) Originally released in February 2010 in both book and audio format
Rays of the Absolute : A Gita for Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, The Song of the Absolute
is now available on YouTube.
This audio book is offered at the feet of my Guru and Mentor Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.
Without question, having the opportunity to meet him was truly the ultimate “luck-out” of my life.
To put it bluntly, “He saved my ass”.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpo6UN66e50

[greybeard]

Rays of the absolute.

If the first ten minutes are listened to then you at least get a glimpse of what you really are without name or form.

Much love
Chris

[joeecho]

........glimpse of what you really are without name or form.


Ahhhh I know of this glimpse. The funny thing about a glimpse is that if one glimpse the glimpse too long it becomes form and no longer the glimpse one glimpsed. The experience, for me, is like a game of hide-and-seek. I don't know how else to explain it.

I know that which I glimpse is not a glimpse but a temporal experience of that which is beyond definition/ form.

[Clear Light]

Who Can Limit You? -- A Guided Meditation with Mooji

In the space of your Being
all manifest appearances
they appear
they arise
and dissolve
in the infinite space of Being.

This is witnessed in you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3CrZ7g3dyc

Oh, assuming that I'm not taking it out of context (as I haven't watched the video) BUT doesn't the use of the word 'Witnessed' imply Duality where there is none ?

As in a witness-er and some-thing witnessed i.e. A subject - object relationship  ?

Indeed, as there is no separation perhaps it is better worded as :

In the space of your Being
all manifest appearances
appear, arise and dissolve
in the infinite empty space of Being
AS "you" eh ?

IOW : In the absence of self-identity who is left to do such Witnessing ?

[ZooLife]

With all choice being completely equal, one has a 100% chance of choosing wisely and foolishly simultaneously no matter what.

So why do I put so much pressure on myself regarding what I choose?

There is one choice (not really a choice) for consciousness, to play the game over and over again win or lose.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9YOYTqN3us

[greybeard]

Who Can Limit You? -- A Guided Meditation with Mooji

In the space of your Being
all manifest appearances
they appear
they arise
and dissolve
in the infinite space of Being.

This is witnessed in you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3CrZ7g3dyc

Oh, assuming that I'm not taking it out of context (as I haven't watched the video) BUT doesn't the use of the word 'Witnessed' imply Duality where there is none ?

As in a witness-er and some-thing witnessed i.e. A subject - object relationship  ?

Indeed, as there is no separation perhaps it is better worded as :

In the space of your Being
all manifest appearances
appear, arise and dissolve
in the infinite empty space of Being
AS "you" eh ?

IOW : In the absence of self-identity who is left to do such Witnessing ?

Yes thats true.
Gurus take you as far as it is possible in that moment so they meet you where you stand and then move you stage by stage.
Mooji does mention there is no other in the video--there is no one to limit you. most might mis this.

Stephen Wolinksy does not stop short---There is no witness for the reason you mentioned---he also said there is no dualityand no non duality.
There has to be some one to witness these.
You are not a human---not someone.
Anthropomorphic---we are putting human traits on "Absolute"

Nisargadatta said more or less "When I am the Absolute I don't know I am" The Buddha said similar.

Wolinsky as said is very clear and takes you stage by stage from where you are to Absolute via the teaching of Nisargadatta.

Any video of his is well worth sticking with---bit by bit if necessary, a lot of repetition on purpose--you have to be ready for it.

Much love
Chris

[Clear Light]

Who Can Limit You? -- A Guided Meditation with Mooji

In the space of your Being
all manifest appearances
they appear
they arise
and dissolve
in the infinite space of Being.

This is witnessed in you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3CrZ7g3dyc

Oh, assuming that I'm not taking it out of context (as I haven't watched the video) BUT doesn't the use of the word 'Witnessed' imply Duality where there is none ?

As in a witness-er and some-thing witnessed i.e. A subject - object relationship  ?

Indeed, as there is no separation perhaps it is better worded as :

In the space of your Being
all manifest appearances
appear, arise and dissolve
in the infinite empty space of Being
AS "you" eh ?

IOW : In the absence of self-identity who is left to do such Witnessing ?

Yes thats true.
Gurus take you as far as it is possible in that moment so they meet you where you stand and then move you stage by stage.
Mooji does mention there is no other in the video--there is no one to limit you. most might mis this.

Stephen Wolinksy does not stop short---There is no witness for the reason you mentioned---he also said there is no dualityand no non duality.
There has to be some one to witness these.
You are not a human---not someone.
Anthropomorphic---we are putting human traits on "Absolute"

Nisargadatta said more or less "When I am the Absolute I don't know I am" The Buddha said similar.

Wolinsky as said is very clear and takes you stage by stage from where you are to Absolute via the teaching of Nisargadatta.

Any video of his is well worth sticking with---bit by bit if necessary, a lot of repetition on purpose--you have to be ready for it.

Much love
Chris

Ah, nicely said :heart:

[greybeard]

One of the reasons that I point to teachers that I have found helpful and quote them is.
Better from the horses mouth than secondhand.

I know about, but that is not it---may have some value as people can identify with this.

Even consciousness comes and goes--pulses.
Perception of the Absolute is not the Absolute.
Anything that comes and goes is not it.

Ch

[joeecho]

Even if one has a rock solid distinction between what spirit is and what it is not can get distracted for various lengths of time and temporarily lose touch with that distinction. At least that is what I have observed.

I suppose something like that needs to occur or practical functioning would cease because what would be the point?

The world of broad spectrum consciousness is in place to continuously distract one from their inherent nature and it normally does a damn good job of it.

Blessedly it's flawed otherwise there would be absolutely no clue of anything 'else'.

The consciousness within a show or infinite shows would only be consciousness within such, there would be no other. The show would be god to the individual participants.

[greybeard]

Was at a funeral this morning.
I have to say for a while it was nice to believe in a separate, loving, God.
There is a saying "Why be sugar when you can taste sugar"

Much love
c

[greybeard]

I am the Absolute
The Absolute is what I am.


Mantra recommended by Stephen Wolinsky

[joeecho]

I am
Dream am I
Dream inferred

http://i.quoteaddicts.com/media/q2/1375713.png


Was at a funeral this morning.
I have to say for a while it was nice to believe in a separate, loving, God.
There is a saying "Why be sugar when you can taste sugar"

Much love
c

Hi Chris. Sweet journeys onward for all that we know(n).

.....................................................

Sugar imagined what it tasted like, sweet!

[greybeard]

Self-Realization - Seeing from Another Place

Mooji is asked about his experience concerning his own Self-realization. "Let all the rivers flow like they do; all of them will come to this ocean... you cannot escape this recognition." (Mooji) http://www.mooji.org




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXrIqhPTMnA

[Clear Light]

Self-Realization - Seeing from Another Place

Mooji is asked about his experience concerning his own Self-realization. "Let all the rivers flow like they do; all of them will come to this ocean... you cannot escape this recognition." (Mooji) http://www.mooji.org




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXrIqhPTMnA

Oh, it must be some kind of Synchronicity but I read this (below) today and it's along the same lines, I reckon, as what Mooji says above about Recognition aka the illusion of some-one who apparently makes "progress" :)

The Nature of the Mind Has Never Changed ~ Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche

"Thoughts manifest themselves within emptiness and are reabsorbed into it like a face appears and disappears in a mirror; the face has never been in the mirror, and when it ceases to be reflected in it, it has not really ceased to exist. The mirror itself has never changed. So, before departing on the spiritual path, we remain in the so-called “impure” state of samsara, which is, in appearance, governed by ignorance. When we commit ourselves to that path, we cross a state where ignorance and wisdom are mixed. At the end, at the moment of Enlightenment, only pure wisdom exists. But all the way along this spiritual journey, although there is an appearance of transformation, the nature of the mind has never changed: it was not corrupted on entry onto the path, and it was not improved at the time of realization"

[greybeard]

I like to cross check things Clear Light and I find most times something will come up by coincidence to confirm or otherwise.
There is Absolute and relative truth there has to be a balance to see one through the world of mirage.
So many levels of perception and thinking it so.---all illusion

We may not be the doer but I suspect we are supposed to act as though we are.
If overnight every one was enlightened this play would come to an end and One would have to dream up another.

I think anyone who really thinks about it will realize that our core, the self (witnessing agent) does not change.
We see something and there is the pause of an instant before we make it personal, our experience,---name it, feel it, respond to it, or not.

Much Love
Chris

[greybeard]

Greatest Mooji wisdom meditation

Published on Jun 4, 2016

Music - Christopher Lloyd Clarke "Untold Depths"
Voice - Mooji


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX1ye72BjfM

[lake]

So many levels of perception and thinking it so.---all illusion

We may not be the doer but I suspect we are supposed to act as though we are.
If overnight every one was enlightened this play would come to an end and One would have to dream up another.

I think anyone who really thinks about it will realize that our core, the self (witnessing agent) does not change.
We see something and there is the pause of an instant before we make it personal, our experience,---name it, feel it, respond to it, or not.

Lots there I can remark as being true for me....thanks Chris

[ZooLife]

Whoops, posted here by mistake but since I am here.....

http://cradletograve.greatzane.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/under-construction-detour.jpg

Welcome.

[greybeard]

Mooji on the Concept of 'You Must Have a Purpose' (HD)

Published on Sep 15, 2016

If you seek reality you must set yourself free of all backgrounds, of all cultures, of all patterns of thinking and feeling.
Even the idea of being man or woman,
or even human should be discarded.
The ocean of life contains all, not only humans.
So, first of all abandon all self-identification,
stop thinking of yourself as such-and-such or so-and-so,
this or that. Abandon all self-concern, worry not about your welfare, material or spiritual, abandon every desire, gross or subtle, stop thinking of achievement of any kind. You are complete here and now, you need absolutely nothing.
- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In this talk Mooji is in great humor but not giving an inch a bit of tough love perhaps--the questioner may have been thinking he was enlightened but Mooji is very clear with him on this.
Well worth watching.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSIf6P0if1E

[greybeard]

Bank of America analysts claim there's a 50% chance we live in a 'Matrix reality simulation'
Top bank analysts claim there’s a 50% chance our world is a computer simulation and we're all plugged into a Matrix-style virtual reality.

And they also reckon if it's true - then there's no way we'll ever find out about it.

The Bank of America's Merrill Lynch made the astonishing claim in a research note citing comments by top scientists, astrophysicists and philosophers.

SpaceX founder Elon Musk is one of those who is almost certain our world is run by artificial intelligence developed by a future civilization.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/bank-america-analysts-claim-theres-8823425.amp?ref=yfp

Disclaimer

I post what is interesting to me I dont necessarily believe all of what I post

Chris

[greybeard]

Rupert Spira Don't Call off the Search Too Early
A discussion addressing the urge to realise the truth and end seeking.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBjZSq0pVEM

[ZooLife]

Rupert Spira Don't Call off the Search Too Early
A discussion addressing the urge to realise the truth and end seeking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBjZSq0pVEM

"Don't disparage seeking" but do put it in perspective.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d5/bd/8d/d5bd8d01fbdb56c49ecb445396f63850.jpg

[greybeard]

Nisargadatta Maharaj - Awaken To The Eternal

"The search for Reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings, for it destroys the world in which you live." N.M.
In this fascinating documentary, several people who had the opportunity to be with Maharaj discuss the impact of his teaching. Included are interviews with Jean Dunn, Jack Kornfield, Robert Powell, Allan W. Anderson, Stephen Wolinsky and others. It's a unique opportunity to peek at Maharaj's loft in Bombay and watch him in the midst of a spirited conversation (1995).

Part of the Nisargadatta Maharaj-Playlist here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...

Nisargadatta Maharaj (1897-1981) was an Indian spiritual teacher and philosopher of Advaita (Nondualism), and a Guru, belonging to the Inchgiri branch of the Navnath Sampradaya.

In 1973, the publication of his most famous and widely translated book, "I Am That", an English translation of his talks in Marathi by Maurice Frydman, brought him worldwide recognition and followers.

His teaching style may be summed up in the words of Advaita scholar and examplar, Dr. Robert Powell, "Like the Zen masters of old, Nisargadatta's style is abrupt, provocative, and immensely profound — cutting to the core and wasting little effort on inessentials.

His terse but potent sayings are known for their ability to trigger shifts in consciousness, just by hearing, or even reading them."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfR52Rx2X6o

[greybeard]

Infinite Love is the Only Truth - David Icke




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKEqhODNFGI

[greybeard]

I am only the Self - Nisargadatta Maharaj - short version complete


If you are really really short of time start at the 40.35 minute mark and there Stephen Wolinsky speaks of how light passed through him --

"Now you know the Nothing and now you can leave."
Said Nasargadattea

That part is very interesting with regard to what can happen to bring you to realization.



This is an abbreviated version of the documentary on Nisargadatta Maharaj 'Awaken to the Eternal'. The commentaries of his students have been edited out to create a pure 'Maharaj experience'. The full length version is here: http://youtu.be/_wuVIVMDOPc
Subtitles available in English, German, Finnish, and Serbian


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzd0txiRN2E

[greybeard]

John Butler ‘Discovering Stillness – Part 1’ Interview by Iain McNay.

Published on Sep 17, 2016

John Butler ‘Discovering Stillness – Part 1’ Interview by Iain McNay.
Author of ‘Wonders Of Spiritual Unfoldment’ and Mystic Approaches.’ His loves were farming and meditation.

Tells his story of spiritual unfoldment and how he discovered stillness. It was not always an easy path for him and he went through periods of depressions and hopelessness.
‘Realisation is not a personal attainment – it usually comes at times of deep prayer or quietness when the mind is clear of personal me…’

‘I’m just a quiet old man of regular habits going up and down the hill to church each day, sitting on a bench when the weather is warm.
I don’t speak much. Adventures are inside.’

‘From worldliness the absolute completion of Pure Being can seem out of touch, more theoretical than real. How can it be relevant to need? Once known however any return to ordinary worldly ways only seem to emphasise its loss.

Total longing brings its own reward but all feelings of achievement disappear. Incomparable gifts of Heavenly Grace instruct, inspire, save us from drowning in the world.’



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZXhPmHPoNo

[Wind]

Who is the ‘I’ that ‘Am’?
This inquiry is really using your life and your intelligence
to begin to understand the nature of Existence,
to begin to settle into the Truth of what you are
beyond mere assumption.
Even this simple question has a power.
Who gave you the feeling ‘I am’?
And who are you who received it?
It is simply here.
All that arises in the mind and the body
in terms of thoughts, feelings, memories, and so on,
all the cognitive functioning, all the biological functioning,
all the movement of time and space—appear in front of you.
That which perceives them is your very I-am-ness itself
—but is it merely a person?
The person is always changing,
but something is aware of those changes also.
That which is aware of the person's changefulness,
is That itself changing?
That which watches your life unfolding,
that is aware of the changeful, restless nature of the mind,
that is aware of any feelings of pride or insecurity,
or any of these things that come up
with the sense of the person we take ourselves to be;
all that is observed within the same body—all this is seen.
A looking takes place in which even
the sense of yourself as a person is seen.
Your changing moods are perceived.
Wishful thinking is perceived.
The functioning of the intellect is perceived.
That which is perceiving all these movements,
is that itself moving?
Can that perceiver itself be perceived?

~ Mooji

[jimrich]

Who is the ‘I’ that ‘Am’? ~ Mooji
It's me!


Can that perceiver itself be perceived?~ Mooji

Maybe not but I, Reality, can definitely be FELT! :flower:

[jimrich]

Rupert Spira Don't Call off the Search Too Early
A discussion addressing the urge to realise the truth and end seeking.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBjZSq0pVEM
It's quite comical how the Seeker doesn't get it that the nature of Awareness has to be FELT and not just "seen" or talked about. It's a FELT reality - not a mind game. Rupert tries to tell the Seeker this but the Seeker just can't get out of his mind/head and into his feelings to experience Awareness directly. He seems convinced that it's some kind of "thought" event or action to understand or contact Awareness! IMO, feelings are the main thing but so many Seekers are lost in their minds and non-dual cliches/concepts.
"It's the FEELING = I am, and no thoughts." ~ Ramana Maharshi
:heart:

[greybeard]

John Butler ‘Discovering Stillness – Part 2’ Interview by Iain McNay.
Published on Sep 17, 2016

John Butler ‘Discovering Stillness – Part 2’ Interview by Iain McNay.
Author of ‘Wonders Of Spiritual Unfoldment’ and Mystic Approaches.’ His loves were farming and meditation. Tells his story of spiritual unfoldment and how he discovered stillness. It was not always an easy path for him and he went through periods of depressions and hopelessness.
‘Realisation is not a personal attainment – it usually comes at times of deep prayer or quietness when the mind is clear of personal me…’
‘I’m just a quiet old man of regular habits going up and down the hill to church each day, sitting on a bench when the weather is warm. I don’t speak much. Adventures are inside.’
‘From worldliness the absolute completion of Pure Being can seem out of touch, more theoretical than real. How can it be relevant to need? Once known however any return to ordinary worldly ways only seem to emphasise its loss.
Total longing brings its own reward but all feelings of achievement disappear. Incomparable gifts of Heavenly Grace instruct, inspire, save us from drowning in the world.’


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXBV8IKtBYo

[jimrich]

After doing a lot of psychotherapy and therapy in general, I've often wondered how any of that fits in with non-duality or Advaita so this video pretty much explains it to my satisfaction. u9CaC_ukRGE

Where Rupert says a person's ego has to be healthy or strong enough to take on the teachings of "Who am I?" and other non-dual stuff, I completely agree since, when I first started therapy, none of the standard Advaitic concepts would have worked for me while I was so extremely angry, afraid, confused and lost at that time. I would have spat on anyone who suggested that I find out "Who is asking such and such?" or, worse, that there is no 'I'/me!
I had to wade through the ocean of bottled up painful/angry feelings and energies that made my 'I' so damaged and sick. My ego was both smashed to a pulp and yet as big as the sky! My very screwed up ego needed a lot of healing and a lot of taming but mostly healing and repair.
Then, later on, I went back to the question: "What am I?", that I was introduced to so many years ago, and it began to make some sense now that my personal self had a backbone and some power. I felt strong enough to inspect the ego and maybe even let my ego dissolve if that was what had to be done.
There were times, in therapy, when my ego did dissolve but it came right back again and stayed here for a long time after. I never knew, until just recently, that I am the ego when it shows up and when it leaves, its because I have either stopped being the egg or have stopped BELIEVING in it.
There is NO ego unless I bring it alive by unwittingly becoming it! It helped though to become a very strong and assertive ego for a while during therapy using Self Esteem techniques and concepts.
Have any of you ever been in therapy or are you a therapist? :heart:

[greybeard]

Repetition repetition I found very helpful

For example I went through the stage of repeating 108 Om Nama Shivia daily
Writing a page of Om Sri Sai Ram in countless jotters.
I asked the friend who suggested this "Why?"
Spiritual money in the bank was the response ---see I remembered all the advice given Heart2hearth.--thanks
Spiritual muscle is developed this way--mantra stills the mind

Mooji meditation is listened to every day --there is a spontaneous rotation--ie I dont know which one I will meditate to-it just happens I have about 6 in the laptop.

Todays one is below

There is no longer identification with the story of me through listening repeatedly to various sages all saying the same thing in their own way.
I found it helpful to mainly stay with one teacher till another one "arrived" that I was ready to listen to.
Many hours every day spent absorbing.

Hanging on to the story of me and all my successes and failures fed the ego.
Who am I without the story of me---no one. Nothing and everything

"I am not the doer"

Events happen
Deeds are done
There is no doer there of"

Much love
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2rxuowot88

[greybeard]

At the time of past events,I thought I was the doer and claimed authorship to all who would listen.
It is only in hindsight that it is now seen that of myself I did nothing.
It could not have happened otherwise.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

These are the words spoken by John Butler in closing stages of part 2 of the interview Discovering stillness.

You dont have to do anything just remove the obstacle of me
,

Which by coincidence it was I was alluding to in an earlier post.

I will have to go back and listen to the first part.

He is a lovely old man---oops he is not that much older than this form. Lol
Anyway the love just pours out of him.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

On listening to the first part of the interview and Ian does a superb job asking the right questions and bringing John Butler back to what he wrote in the books.

What comes out is that through his spiritual practices, mainly prayer and meditation he exposes the cancerous root of ego , the devil within (His phrase)

Also the similarity of his "experiences" in finding that there is only One, to Mystics from every tradition is amazing.
Words like emptiness and he is nothing could have been and is spoken by the Enlightened.

He went through depression--which seems almost to be a normal part of the spiritual path.

Well worth listening to both interviews--many gems pop out.

Much love
Chris

Ps if time is short I would recommend listening to the last ten minutes of part two.

Good advice in there.

C

[greybeard]

Healing happens when there is the realization that you are Self and as such there is no healing necessary--you are perfect.
Also there never was anyone doing anything to you.
Ultimately you are not the doer and that applies to the seeming other.

Mooji sometimes will say--"There is no other"
Eckhart Tolle quote "There never was anyone there to do anything to you"

Teachers meet you where you stand so perhaps the majority of "seekers" are not yet ready to hear that they do not exist--at least as the me they think they are, the separate individual.

Every one is exactly where they are supposed to be.
All pressure, which is self imposed, goes when there is the realization that nothing is down to you.

Surrender to what is--Thy will be done, not mine---that advice has helped me immensely.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Advaita ~ You Are Not In Time ~ Brilliant, Must See!!! (HD)

Published on Sep 18, 2016

If you seek reality you must set yourself free of all backgrounds, of all cultures, of all patterns of thinking and feeling.
Even the idea of being man or woman, or even human should be discarded.
The ocean of life contains all, not only humans.

So, first of all abandon all self-identification,
stop thinking of yourself as such-and-such or so-and-so, this or that.

Abandon all self-concern, worry not about your welfare, material or spiritual, abandon every desire, gross or subtle, stop thinking of achievement of any kind.

You are complete here and now, you need absolutely nothing.

- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjhgmEXFDGY

The Nisargadatta quote was with this video on U tube, as to why I do not know but it is relevant to the thread.

C

[greybeard]

Mooji ♥ Die Before You Die ◦ From Samsara to Nirvana

One translation of Nirvana is annihilation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWaxZGrkqaI

[ZooLife]

Die Before You Die

It's like facing your worst fear first, rendering any other fear pale in comparison.

I remember when I static line parachuted from a perfectly working airplane (and survived), it made all rides at the fairgrounds far less intimidating.

Isn't that what they say you should do if you should have to fight a group of people? Pick the biggest, baddest most intimidating person to go after first?
Okay, I don't know if that one works because I have no first hand experience with it. lol


Know your enemy and know yourself and you will always be victorious.

- Sun-tzu

[greybeard]

Hi Sara
amazing post----Im not that brave--smiling
The late Dr David Hawkins spoke of going through the final door.
More or less he said only God walks though the door--he felt tremendous fear as its the only time you really die so to speak, but felt that those who had gone through before silently suported him.
He also said that if you are in close proximity to an enlightened sage in this life time their energy attaches to you auric field and remains through lifetime times till you go through that door.
He said there are stages of awakening, energy levels of enlightenment before the final door is gone through at the level of Christ The Buddha or Krishna.
He implied that he was at that level. Of course thats a metaphor as there is no me left to claim anything.

Im not sure that I believe the claim but for sure he was enlightened as best I can tell--not saying im right either way.
He also said that each level of enlightenment seemed complete.

As said the thread was initially based on his books and the thread was mainly about transcending ego to realize the Self.

Some day I will wander through the thread but its massive--Ive posted virtually every day for years--not that I did it.
A look randomly might be an idea.
Buried in there is a book I wrote some years back God only know where it is located.
It just came to me line by line every day till it was done --cant claim I wrote it.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Ev, a friend sent me a PDF of the book "I "wrote
Who know I might get round to posting it page by page.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Paul Hedderman
For the brave--those who like in your face Truth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww49VgH0mXs

[ZooLife]

When I face the truth it always kicks my butt
There is no face to truth

The truth can never be told but through the myst of a myth

[greybeard]

Ev, a friend sent me a PDF of the book "I "wrote
Who know I might get round to posting it page by page.

Much love
Chris

Part of the book on first post here.
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19804-Relationships&p=211066&viewfull=1#post211066

[greybeard]

Stephen Wolinsky - Neuroscience, Free Will & The Self Illusion

I have posted this before --It has taken me a long time to get my head round what he is saying and other videos of his that I have posted.
I started with the belief there is only One --only God is and I am That but was not ready for the full implication of that--in avoidance perhaps.
Some times I wish that posters here would comment specifically on this video and similar.

I dont know what is true for sure.
My personal experience says " No way is it true, I exist as a separate individual "
Yet many enlightened teachers are saying more or less the same.

With love
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVHRRxUpog

[Calz]

Thank you Chris for this wonderful thread!

Never posted before after all these years.

Never felt "qualified".


Always loved your posts.


Cal

[greybeard]

Thank you Chris for this wonderful thread!

Never posted before after all these years.

Never felt "qualified".


Always loved your posts.


Cal

We are all qualified Calz--see I spelt it right smiling.
Your humility serves you well.

This is not an elitist thread we are all finding our way here---all posts are welcome.

Much love
Chris

[Wind]

I'm sure most of us here have our ego's still intact very much. :)

Different thing is to know that you are not your ego.

[ThePythonicCow]

I have posted this before --It has taken me a long time to get my head round what he is saying and other videos of his that I have posted.
I started with the belief there is only One --only God is and I am That but was not ready for the full implication of that--in avoidance perhaps.
Some times I wish that posters here would comment specifically on this video and similar.

I dont know what is true for sure.
My personal experience says " No way is it true, I exist as a separate individual "
Yet many enlightened teachers are saying more or less the same.
It's layers, all the way down :).

One cannot wrap one's head around the paradox of free will until one realizes that "we" are manifesting beings within several layers of all that is. The layers are each deeply complex, self-organizing and self-propagating. One might think of some (just some) of these layers as the aetheric field level, manifest in electrical-magnetic fields,
the physical layer, manifest in atoms and matter,
the cellular level, manifest in our human biological cells and in the many bacteria we co-exist with,
the organ level, manifest in such organs as our feet, brain, eyes, intestine, hands, heart, glands,
the body level, manifest in that which dies and is buried, after four score and some years, give or take,
the emotional level, manifest in our feelings and shaped by our heart's fields and our gut bacteria and our hormones,
the mental level, of our thoughts and understandings, expertise and concepts, shared with humanity, and
and one or more spiritual levels, of which I am less articulate.
"Freedom" is the sense we get of self-determination, which occurs when the highest level within which we are entangled and of which we are aware, is substantially and powerfully self-organized rather than externally coerced.

Likely the famous Russian author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was more free while in the gulag, than Bill Gates is free, while in his mansion.

My cat is free when I open doors and cat food cans, as she requests.

I disagree with what I took Stephen Wolinsky to be saying, in my brief effort to listen to him. What we are, the "you" he repeatedly spoke of, is not a single one of these layers, entangled with and inseparable from all else of being, where all else is but a figment of our limited imagination.

We're layers, all the way down, and I suppose also all the way up, past where I am aware. The layers are deeply self-organizing, but not free from the constraints imposed by the layers below them either, nor independent of organizing principles shaping them from the layers above them.

[greybeard]

Thanks Paul welcome to the thread--

Spiritual has a language all of its own.

What you call layers I call levels-- same thing more or less.

Im not fond of the word God but if there was such a thing separate from us or not, voltage might be a good way of describing

Source would be a million volts, Angels forty thousand and the enlightened one thousand lesser mortals 250 volts.

All one energy just different levels/voltages/energy.

What is true? Well to certain degree I have to go by cross checking what various teachers say.

What Tim says is clear I dont disbelieve him but have no way of knowing "absolutely" that this is true, but I suspect it is, = educated guess that it is.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

Best wishes
Chris

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks Paul welcome to the thread--

Spiritual has a language all of its own.
Yes - not a language I am fluent in - and not how I have come to articulate my thoughts - sorry.

My current way of articulating things began with my reading of the first two volume's of Susanne Katherina Langer's "Mind: An Essay on Human Feeling", back in the 1970's. The third and final volume was published posthumously, in the 1980's, which I eagerly read then.

[greybeard]

Thanks Paul welcome to the thread--

Spiritual has a language all of its own.
Yes - not a language I am fluent in - and not how I have come to articulate my thoughts - sorry.

My current way of articulating things began with my reading of the first two volume's of Susanne Katherina Langer's "Mind: An Essay on Human Feeling", back in the 1970's. The third and final volume was published posthumously, in the 1980's, which I eagerly read then.

Your thoughts are as valid as anyones Paul glad to have them.

Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Now" and Dr David Hawkins Power vs Force" eve openers for me.
The latter is good as it attempts to combine Psychology Quantum Physics and Spiritual--done well.

Dr Hawkins biography is impressive to say the least.
http://veritaspub.com/about_us.php

Best wishes
Chris

[lake]

It's layers, all the way down :).

One cannot wrap one's head around the paradox of free will until one realizes that "we" are manifesting beings within several layers of all that is. The layers are each deeply complex, self-organizing and self-propagating. One might think of some (just some) of these layers as the aetheric field level, manifest in electrical-magnetic fields,
the physical layer, manifest in atoms and matter,
the cellular level, manifest in our human biological cells and in the many bacteria we co-exist with,
the organ level, manifest in such organs as our feet, brain, eyes, intestine, hands, heart, glands,
the body level, manifest in that which dies and is buried, after four score and some years, give or take,
the emotional level, manifest in our feelings and shaped by our heart's fields and our gut bacteria and our hormones,
the mental level, of our thoughts and understandings, expertise and concepts, shared with humanity, and
and one or more spiritual levels, of which I am less articulate.
"Freedom" is the sense we get of self-determination, which occurs when the highest level within which we are entangled and of which we are aware, is substantially and powerfully self-organized rather than externally coerced.

Likely the famous Russian author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was more free while in the gulag, than Bill Gates is free, while in his mansion.

My cat is free when I open doors and cat food cans, as she requests.

I disagree with what I took Stephen Wolinsky to be saying, in my brief effort to listen to him. What we are, the "you" he repeatedly spoke of, is not a single one of these layers, entangled with and inseparable from all else of being, where all else is but a figment of our limited imagination.

We're layers, all the way down, and I suppose also all the way up, past where I am aware. The layers are deeply self-organizing, but not free from the constraints imposed by the layers below them either, nor independent of organizing principles shaping them from the layers above them.

Bloody hell Paul....normally I try not to quote a whole post but that is worth re-posting!
With out 'blowing smoke up your ar*e' as some say.......I have always found your knowledge of the financial system and status, along with your experience considering computers very informative and very helpful....but if you are now going to sort out the 'spiritual' side as well.......well damn....

What are you going to leave the rest of us to work out?

Good post mate

:clapping:

[ZooLife]

I'm sure most of us here have our ego's still intact very much. :)

Different thing is to know that you are not your ego.

There is a misconception floating around that ego is a better than thou when it's also a less then thou. As long as there is a 'thou' in there somewhere.

................................................................... Says Thou.

P.s. Thou prefers to shoot self in foot then to let ego do it. ;)

Are we having fun or is it academic?

https://rl-resources.cms.ama.uk.com/img/res_4014063_fun.jpg

[greybeard]

Sitting in a box thinking your steering it and going some where--ha ha.

Technical You dont exist as me till fluids in the brain come together.
You dont exist as a separate entity till parents give you a name---the repository of identification with thoughts.

"Be still, be quiet"--Mooji

Watch life unfold having fun.
No need to do anything--plenty happening anyway.
Potential is manifesting spontaneously.

Thoughts of the moment

C

[greybeard]

The problem is that the me wants to be some one.
It is already the One

"Anything you can know, or know about, you cant be.
Anything you can think about your self you are not"

"Anything that can be conceived or perceived is not it" ---(so discard it)

Narsagadatta Maharaj

Not this not this (Neity neity)--process of elimination
In order to find out what you are you have to find out what you are not. (Discard it)

Chris

Published on Jun 1, 2016

"Your own self is your ultimate teacher. The outer teacher is merely a milestone. It is only your inner teacher that will walk with you to the goal, for he is the goal." - Nisargadatta Maharaj
Nisargadatta Maharaj - "Awaken to the Eternal", distilled version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkdPikNRV70

[greybeard]

Eckhart Tolle on Nisargadatta Maharaj


See also the portrait "Nisargadatta Maharaj - Awaken To The Eternal (Full)" here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfR52...
Part of the Nisargadatta Maharaj-Playlist here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...
Nisargadatta Maharaj (1897-1981) was an Indian spiritual teacher and philosopher of Advaita (Nondualism), and a Guru, belonging to the Inchgiri branch of the Navnath Sampradaya. In 1973, the publication of his most famous and widely translated book, "I Am That", an English translation of his talks in Marathi by Maurice Frydman, brought him worldwide recognition and followers



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY31Z2KGrOs

[Guish]

Tao (道) - The Way of Nature ~

“Simplicity, patience, compassion.
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and thoughts,
you return to the Source of Being.
Patient with both friends and enemies,
you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself,
you reconcile all beings in the world.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

[joeecho]

you return to the Source of Being.


Source always, only
No leaving, no returning

[greybeard]

A wave of the ocean can not change the flow of the ocean/direction of current----unless it becomes the ocean---and then there is no reason to.

Ch

[greybeard]

Radhanath Swami - 2nd Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview
BuddhaAtTheGasPump
Published on Sep 25, 2016

A Bhakti Yoga practitioner for more than 40 years, Radhanath Swami is one of today’s most beloved and respected spiritual teachers. He is a guide, community builder, activist, and acclaimed author. Rooted in his study of ancient India’s mystic devotional tradition, Radhanath Swami’s message is as profound as it is simple: by cultivating a rich inner life of self-awareness and a genuine practice of service, we can become instruments of compassion and agents of sustainable change in the world.

Today, Radhanath Swami is the founder and coordinator of multiple spiritual communities throughout the world, the most prominent of which is the Radha Gopinath Ashram located in Mumbai, India. Under his inspiration and guidance, the project has grown to include missionary hospitals, orphanages, eco-friendly farms, schools, temples, emergency relief programs, and a food distribution program that feeds more than 250,000 indigent children in downtown Mumbai every day. In spite of his many responsibilities, he also travels widely, teaching Eastern philosophy and spiritually throughout Europe, Asia, and America.

Books: The Journey Home: Autobiography of an American Swami The Journey Within: Exploring the Path of Bhakti

Website: http://radhanathswami.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZg3kUUvWdg

[joeecho]

Imagine nothing

http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/ligo-g-waves/en/imagine-nothing-lrg.en.jpg

That's not nothing

I would imagine

[Clear Light]

Imagine nothing

http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/ligo-g-waves/en/imagine-nothing-lrg.en.jpg

That's not nothing

I would imagine


Oh, that sounds like make believe to me LOL ;)

[greybeard]

Is that dark thoughts? Laughing.
Chris

[joeecho]

Just thinking outside the box and finding another box. Rinse, Later, Repeat

https://1388058624.rsc.cdn77.org/monthly_2016_05/cardboard-boxes-inside-cardboard-boxes-2.jpg.9bee27bbeb7825b2fc364d671c50d910.jpg

[greybeard]

Yeah but!! The important thing is --The boxes are all empty are they not? Nothing in them as far as eye can see !!!!!!!!

Ch.

[joeecho]

Nothing in them as far as eye can see !!!!!!!!


Would that include the box?

There is nothing in the environment except the environment which makes the word 'in' an illusion.

Does one mentally extract, say a bird, from the environment and then go on to say the bird is IN the environment? No, the bird is one with the environment.

[Sueanne47]

'Outside' the box!

34260

[joeecho]

'Outside' the box!

34260

Ironically the picture itself is a (picture) box.

Perception is a stylized box, a monopoly if you will.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FqPYdwSBD0

This video goes way beyond traditional material goods. For example, it also includes the ideas, memories, emotions we collect/ store in the mind.


So you have to ask yourself, what matters?

So you have to ask yourself, what box?

[greybeard]

'Outside' the box!

34260

Good to see you posting here sueanne47

Much love your friend.
C

[greybeard]

Nothing here but you.
Mooji guided meditation


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuVCFEqv1AY

[greybeard]

Jiddu Krishnamurti, Rupert Sheldrake, David Bohm (subtítulos en español) 1/4

Published on Jan 2, 2014

Jiddu Krishnamurti (12 May 1895 – 17 February 1986) was a speaker and writer on philosophical and spiritual subjects. In his early life he was groomed to be the new World Teacher but later rejected this mantle and disbanded the organisation behind it. His subject matter included psychological revolution, the nature of mind, meditation, inquiry, human relationships, and bringing about radical change in society. He constantly stressed the need for a revolution in the psyche of every human being and emphasised that such revolution cannot be brought about by any external entity, be it religious, political, or social.

Rupert Sheldrake is an English author and researcher in the field of parapsychology. See more videos with him - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghaOldx8uM

[greybeard]

Stand strong in love, even if others are not
Anita Moorjani

During a recent interview I was asked: 'How can we manage to keep loving, laughing, and shining our lights while we feel the suffering of others around the world?'

This was my response:

'That is really the biggest challenge. If we feel guilty because they are suffering while our life is good, we won't be bringing healing into the world. I like to explain it as follows: If you imagine that you are a light bulb, the brighter you shine, the more you illuminate the room, including for the people who are lost and who are in darkness. The only way that you can bring light into the world is by shining your light brighter, not by dimming your own light. Your very presence is all that matters.


So if I just bring my presence into the world, it needs to be a presence full of joy, and full of upliftment, because the person you take out into the world is the person you are inside. If you feel stressed because of all the fear, poverty and terrorism, and so on, if you feel anger and fear, that is the person you are taking out into the world. You will then be adding to the energy that is already out there while trying to change it. To take revenge on what you don't like, you have to become what you are taking revenge against.

If we get sucked into the fear and start fighting it with more fear, we will never get rid of the problem. The only way we can eliminate it is to be reaching deeper for more love.


The only way to actually change things is to be the change, like Gandhi said. Darkness is the absence of light. This is also true for fear. Fear is not a substance in itself. Fear is the absence of love.

The only way to fill the world with love is by filling yourself with love first.'

That was just one of many questions I was asked.



Until next time, please fill yourself with Love, and keep shining your light!

Big Hugs,

Anita


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgVdFKgajBY&feature=youtu.be

[betoobig]

I missed you all. Today the box hited me in the head.... Coming for recovery.
I am really tired...
Big hugh to all.
Much love

[greybeard]

I missed you all. Today the box hited me in the head.... Coming for recovery.
I am really tired...
Big hugh to all.
Much love

Sorry you are so tired.
Relax chill out.
We miss you when you disappear, good to have you back.
Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Why Do You Keep God Waiting? Mooji audio

Published on Aug 29, 2016

"Where is the perfect Self until it is discovered? Where is the Christ Consciousness, the Buddha Nature, the Krishna Consciousness, the Shiva Being, until it is discovered?

Who will come to emptiness first? Come to emptiness, and see if there's 'after emptiness.' Come to emptiness, and see if any doubts stay in your mind. Who will take the darshan of emptiness? Every day, the invitation of Satsang is to drop all things, or to see from the place of the unassociated Being. How long it will take you?"

An excerpt from the Satsang "He Sees Only the Infinite Sky of Your Being"
Recorded in Lucknow, India
April 1st, 2016

Watch the full Satsang
"He Sees Only the Infinite Sky of Your Being"
on Mooji.tv: http://mooji.tv/freemedia/he-sees-onl...
or YouTube: https://youtu.be/KpqOhqN5wm0



Taken from the Audio Podcast
http://www.mooji.org/audio.html

Find this and other audios and videos here:
http://mooji.tv/freemedia/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr6OQqB5OHA

[Clear Light]

'Outside' the box!

34260

Ironically the picture itself is a (picture) box.

Perception is a stylized box, a monopoly if you will.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FqPYdwSBD0

This video goes way beyond traditional material goods. For example, it also includes the ideas, memories, emotions we collect/ store in the mind.


So you have to ask yourself, what matters?

So you have to ask yourself, what box?

Ah, exactly :highfive: There is no "box" (a concept) except as *Imputed* by one's (karmic) Mind upon that which has no characteristics whatsoever ... in fact, you could say (assert) ALL things only Appear because of being designated / labelled / conceptualised as such eh ?

Furthermore : "I" maintain (conventionally speaking that is) "non dual Reality" is what remains in the absence of ALL Concepts [1] ... like the "Emptiness of Emptiness" perhaps ? But this is not to imply some kind of nihilistic "nothingness" BTW ;)

[1] Including the Concept of Non-Duality !!!


34288

[greybeard]

'Outside' the box!

34260

Ironically the picture itself is a (picture) box.

Perception is a stylized box, a monopoly if you will.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FqPYdwSBD0

This video goes way beyond traditional material goods. For example, it also includes the ideas, memories, emotions we collect/ store in the mind.


So you have to ask yourself, what matters?

So you have to ask yourself, what box?

Ah, exactly :highfive: There is no "box" (a concept) except as *Imputed* by one's (karmic) Mind upon that which has no characteristics whatsoever ... in fact, you could say (assert) ALL things only Appear because of being designated / labelled / conceptualised as such eh ?

Furthermore : "I" maintain (conventionally speaking that is) "non dual Reality" is what remains in the absence of ALL Concepts [1] ... like the "Emptiness of Emptiness" perhaps ? But this is not to imply some kind of nihilistic "nothingness" BTW ;)

[1] Including the Concept of Non-Duality !!!


34288

If you can conceive or perceive it---that aint it.
Duality and non duality are concepts--concepts arent it.

So clear light you are correct

Im spending time listening to Stephen Wolinsky speaking on the teaching of Nasargadatta Maharaj

The Absolute has no human characteristics in fact no consciousness no awareness--nothing we can speak of yet It is.
Definitely not Nihilistic

Nasargadatta said more or less" If you get what I am saying it will destroy all concepts"

If you think you have got it you haven't and so on and so forth.

So you may say whats the point?

You have to have something to let go of--"not this not this"
When you get the point of realising that you cant bring about Selfreaization and give up but perhaps still enjoy being in the moment and any spiritual etc
No desire for Enlightenment or non enlightenment.
There is no reason for what "I"seem to do, it just is, as it is.
The posts etc just happen.

Hope Im making sense.
Who!!!!!!!cares---- laughing

Ch

[joeecho]

Agreed. Thanks Clear Light and Chris.

What is interesting is that that is against everything many of us were 'taught' during a great deal of our lives. Even after having this understanding, my mind wants to assert back to the status quo. Especially if I am doing routine tasks or in an intellectual learning mode.

You know, we uses a computer to access this site and other things but sometimes I forget that a computer (my mind) is very much a part of this whole accessing of this site and indeed.....the whole of material perception.

[Wind]

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-source-of-wisdom-and-power-of-love-and-beauty-is-within-ourselves-but-not-within-paul-brunton-41-79-85.jpg

[ZooLife]

Everything pretends (something).

http://i.quoteaddicts.com/media/q3/1480776.png

[greybeard]

Everything pretends (something).

http://i.quoteaddicts.com/media/q3/1480776.png

There is the One taking the picture

Thanks Sara

C

[ZooLife]

We think we know the whole world because we know words/ images about it and FORMulate it from them but that it isn't the whole world. That which is not the whole world is unknown by definition.
We don't know the whole world and that not knowing inspires the spiritual.

[greybeard]

Ric Weinman - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview

ublished on Oct 1, 2016

Ric Weinman is the founder of VortexHealing®, a healing art that he re-discovered in a profound ‘vision’, November 26, 1994.

Ric grew up in Queens, NY. He went to Columbia University as an engineering student, and in his sophomore year he transferred into its liberal arts college, majoring in English and getting his BA in 1971. From there, he hitchhiked around Europe, going wherever the wind took him, mostly sleeping in farmers’ fields. He was trying to escape from a deep emotional trauma, and so he barely ate and got very far ‘out of body’. But in his ‘out there’ and starved state, although he lost a lot of his body mass, his nervous system went into a different state, and he rediscovered his spiritual connection. This began the slow journey back in, taking this new inner connection with him.

Ric lived ‘at the edge’ for many years, working odd jobs and day jobs, moving about but living mostly, in Tucson, AZ. During that time he did a lot of meditation and writing. Some of his short stories were published, as well as two books (Your Hands Can Heal, printed in 7 languages, and Breaking the Illusion). It was in Tucson that his ‘psychic’ abilities started to activate, and he began to practice healing. He studied Jin Shin Jyutsu®, cranial-sacral therapy, and practiced his own methods of working with energy, consciousness, and fascia. At that time, he also started to connect inside to various Divine beings, both alive and no longer in the body. His connection to the Divine became his main lifeline.

Ric took a short detour into a Masters program in Computer Science at the University of Arizona, attempting to move into a more secure, mainstream existence, but his heart wasn’t in it, so he left it and returned to his healing work. At one point he began to teach his own healing workshops, which became the basis of his first book, Your Hands Can Heal.

Then, in 1994, his path took a radical turn when, in a profound ‘vision’, he found himself standing in a huge inter-dimensional vortex, and the divine presence within that vortex re-activated his past-life connections to VortexHealing® and the Merlin Lineage. People quickly noticed how powerful this healing art was, and they asked him to teach it to them. In September 1995, he taught the first VortexHealing® Basic Training, in Tucson.

Almost 7 years later, meditating in a hotel room in Colorado, on vacation with his wife and son, his core sense of ‘I’ suddenly disappeared. He had been moved into spiritual awakening by the Divine source of his lineage. This began a new phase for both his personal life and for VortexHealing®. As his own awakening deepened, he realized he was being shown an awakening map that could be used to take VortexHealing® students, step by step, through the same stages that he was being guided through. When the map seemed complete, he wrote Awakening Through the Veils, to share the map with the general spiritual world, along with guidelines for making its journey.

Today, Ric lives in Amherst, Massachusetts.

Books: VortexHealing® Divine Energy Healing: A Magical Path of Healing and Awakening Awakening through the Veils: A Seeker's Guide

Website: http://vortexhealing.org


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0xRN4UI_-k

[joeecho]

Non-Duality otherwise known as: What does it matter or the unimportance of importance.

[joeecho]

Is all that is thinkable, all?

Think.

[greybeard]

Is all that is thinkable, all?

Think.

The reason it appears to be, is, because it is thought.

ch

[greybeard]

Enlightened Beings share their awakening, mystical experiences
Published on Oct 3, 2016

In this video spiritual teachers of different traditions share their mystical, awakening experiences. And everyone has his own interesting, fascinating story.

Eckhart Tolle: 0 - 7:15
Adyashanti: 7:20 - 16:50
Mooji: 16:55 - 23:22
Rupert Spira: 23:25 - 28:00
Sadhguru: 28:02 - 32:22



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f54jAzYawZk


Eckhart Tolle's Homepage:
https://www.eckharttolle.com/

Eckhart Tolle's Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/EckhartT...

Full Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M00VL...

CCARE at Stanford University:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzno...

-----------------------------------

Adyashanti's Homepage:
http://adyashanti.org/

Adyashanti's Youtube Channel:
http://adyashanti.org/

Full Video Adyashanti Pt. 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dULls...

Robert Cowart Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkpf...

Full Video Adyashanti Pt. 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUTF8...

Conscioustv Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/conscioustv

-----------------------------------

Mooji's Homepage:
https://mooji.org/

Mooji's Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Moojiji

Full Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX7aN...

-----------------------------------

Rupert Spira's Homepage:
http://www.rupertspira.com/

Rupert Spira's Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/rupertspira

BuddhaAtTheGasPump Homepage:
https://batgap.com/

BuddhaAtTheGasPump Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/BuddhaAt...

Full video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdMW...

-----------------------------------

Sadhguru's Homepage:
http://isha.sadhguru.org/

Sadhguru's Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/sadhguru

[joeecho]

Is all that is thinkable, all?

Think.

The reason it appears to be, is, because it is thought.

ch

I thought you would think that.

Thought whisper in silence ever ringing.

[greybeard]

Is all that is thinkable, all?

Think.

The reason it appears to be, is, because it is thought.

ch

I thought you would think that.

Thought whisper in silence ever ringing.

Some times Im thoughtful
C

[joeecho]

Is all that is thinkable, all?

Think.

The reason it appears to be, is, because it is thought.

ch

I thought you would think that.

Thought whisper in silence ever ringing.

Some times Im thoughtful
C

Times is the operative word.

X marks the spot.

I am thoughtful all the time but that isn't really true.

[greybeard]

If you have time I will tell you my story.

Without time I don't have a story but I am One.

C

[joeecho]

It takes time, however brief, to proclaim I am One and thus the story.

One story tall in which all stories arise.

Let me tell you my story, it is finished.

[ZooLife]

I found you, yes you! That point where all of diversity is identical which gives the illusion that said point is everywhere. (While 'we' are here it may as well be everywhere)

Yes, this is where you found me as well.

You say you haven't found you or me? That is the illusion talking. (It's pretty noisy you know)

I'd scold it and tell it to be still but you know, that would be an illusion.

http://sobadsogood.com/uploads/stories/2015/02/28/Dazzling-Optical-Illusions-Will-Melt-Your-Mind-.jpg

[Wind]

If the Truth is what you are searching for,
complex theories and practices are not required,
because what you are searching for is not apart from you.
It may appear to be hidden, but it is not hiding.
It is not in the Himalayas more than it is here with you now.
It is not something outside of yourself.
It is always the core of your very own existence.
You must come to see the simplicity of this
beyond mere intellectual discovery or conviction.
Real discovery must be rooted in your own irrefutable experience.
I remain totally confident that this is possible,
because I know it is not something that you have to create.
It is not more available to those who are very educated.
It will not come soon because you have been a good person.
You are already completely That.
It cannot go away from you because of your opinion or belief.
It cannot go anywhere because it is infinite.
Where can the infinite go?
May you come to know you are fully That

~ Mooji

[joeecho]

Duality, a machination first of the mind followed by and in conjunction with experience.

http://img.picturequotes.com/2/4/3673/so-you-think-you-can-tell-heaven-from-hell-quote-1.jpg

Experience tells you you can tell.

Can you trust what it tells?

[greybeard]

In duality heaven can not exist without hell.
All polarities are co-dependent.
Hence the saying--"That which brings you pleasure brings you pain."
Two sides of the same coin.

Ch

[joeecho]

Two sides of the same coin.

Ch

A coin with no sides but one edge.

https://67.media.tumblr.com/cd3efb4b00280c23b5116be94d4d5660/tumblr_mm148in1Dq1spas7uo1_500.gif

Find the edge and one will find the centre.

[greybeard]

Two sides of the same coin.

Ch

A coin with no sides but one edge.

https://67.media.tumblr.com/cd3efb4b00280c23b5116be94d4d5660/tumblr_mm148in1Dq1spas7uo1_500.gif

Find the edge and one will find the centre.

Toss the coin and hope it does not come up heads.
Head seems to be the problem.

I love your signature.

I thought and it was all over. so true.

ch

[joeecho]

Toss the coin and hope it does not come up heads.
Head seems to be the problem.

I love your signature.

I thought and it was all over. so true.

ch

Nice catch on the coin showing heads, I did not consciously realize that when I chose the gif.

I guess you could say that was a bonus. Kind of like the head is a bonus to spirit.

As for the signature, when I wrote that line in a post quite some time back I reflected on it and it said to me, "That's it!"
I like how it says so much or, depending on perspective, too little.

Sometimes I will find something succinct in something much longer winded and that is always fun to discover. What do they call those, Easter eggs? I have gotten pretty good at finding Easter eggs, those little kids don't stand a chance. (just a little silliness there)

Much of what I write comes from a place that has no name/ definition and when I read it afterwards I think, wow, where did that come from?
It's like I have a guru in my head. :bigsmile:

[joeecho]

Language alludes to the truth, one just has to figure out how it is doing it. That is why there is truth within a lie. There might be an attempt to throw off the scent by some means but the scent is always there. One simply needs to develop a 'knows' to sniff it out.

I don't know what difference my posts make for anyone, that is for them to sniff out for themselves.

I remember reading spiritual favored books, music and the like when I was young and thinking a lot of it made little sense to me, now I know where they were coming from so I have to assume that there are people that read what I write and think the same thing. Perspective never ceases to both entertain and inform. It's one of the best lessons I've learned in life and still learn from, especially when I forget it's significance in the world of experience.

[greybeard]

I have no answers and few questions if any now.
Sometimes I wonder why I am still posting on this thread.
After all I have been saying much the same thing for years here.
I have tried to stop many time and then something fires my attention and I want to share it.
Its not an addiction or compulsion to post--it just happens--I know not why.

I agree with you Joe --all things point---to what though?
My take is, to nothing--the great emptiness, full of potential.

C

[greybeard]

Rupert Sheldrake - Sun's Consciousness & Divine Universe


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zle7zMUi1h0


Alan Watts - Being God Q&A Session

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmX8HZuhNXE

[Clear Light]

Oh, I hope no-one minds (lol, pun intended) if I add a little something to this thread from Nisargadatta Maharaj's “I am That” which I feel seem to be more "Buddhist" than "Advaita Vedantian" ?


[Page 200] "The ‘I am’ is a thought, while awareness is not a thought; there is no ‘I am aware’ in awareness. Consciousness is an attribute while awareness is not, one can be aware of being conscious, but not conscious of awareness. God is the totality of consciousness, but awareness is beyond all – being as well as non-being"


[Page 224] "All hangs on the idea ‘I am’. Examine it very thoroughly. It lies at the root of every trouble. This ‘I am’ idea was not born with you. You could have lived very well without it. It came later due to your self-identification with the body. It created an illusion of separation where there was none. It made you a stranger in your own world alien and inimical. Without the sense of ‘I am’ life goes on. There are moments when we are without the sense of ‘I am’, at peace and happy. With the return of ‘I am’, trouble starts"


[Page 224] "It is because the ‘I am’ is false that it wants to continue. Reality need not continue – knowing itself indestructible, it is indifferent to the destruction of forms and expressions. To strengthen and stabilize the ‘I am’ we do all sorts of things – all in vain for the ‘I am’ is being rebuilt from moment to moment. No ambition is spiritual. All ambitions are for the sake of ‘I am’. If you want to make real progress you must give up all ideas of personal attainment"


[Page 269] "Immortality is freedom from the feeling: ‘I am’. Yet it is not extinction. On the contrary, it is a state infinitely more real, aware and happy than you can possibly think of. Only self-consciousness is no more. Who would remain even to say ‘I am the witness’ ? When there is no ‘I am’, where is the witness ? In the timeless state there is no self to take refuge in"

Now ... perhaps this may help to illumine from a slightly different angle for all those who are interested in such matters eh ? :heart:

[greybeard]

Nisargadatta was not that happy with THAT book as it was a transcript of answers to individuals questions and aimed at that person only.
Stephen Wolinsky explains fully in the the three videos and others that I posted some time back.

It has to do with where the person addressed is "nesting" the idea being to move that one on to the next "level" then on again--each level (nest) seeming to be relatively real.

What gets me in a way, though explained by by Mooj,i is free will.
You have it till you are happy with the realization that there is no free will.

It takes subject and object to express free will.

(If) You dont exist as an individual--only one substance, yet the Guru gives you things to do to find the Self within.
If you are not the doer why give "you" things to seem to do when you do nothing --- laughing hysterically.

You have freewill within the play BUT you and the play are a mirage---nothing is real, nothing separate, nothing happened, no creation no dissolution.
So they, the Mystics say, at least Nisargadatta and Ramana Maharshi do.
Nisargadatta was suggesting find out what you are not--Neity neity.

All beyond the mind to understand>
Ch

[Clear Light]

Nisargadatta was not that happy with THAT book as it was a transcript of answers to individuals questions and aimed at that person only.
Stephen Wolinsky explains fully in the the three videos and others that I posted some time back.

It has to do with where the person addressed is "nesting" the idea being to move that one on to the next "level" then on again--each level (nest) seeming to be relatively real

Oh, it may be that Nis would have preferred that "conversation" had not seen the light of day in print, however I find it quite illuminating in that he most probably would have had to answer questions from some who were already grappling with Buddhist concepts and theories in their "search for enlightenment" eh ?

So, how to deconstruct their ideas unless you have already done so yourself eh ?


:fencing:

[greybeard]

Nisargadatta was not that happy with THAT book as it was a transcript of answers to individuals questions and aimed at that person only.
Stephen Wolinsky explains fully in the the three videos and others that I posted some time back.

It has to do with where the person addressed is "nesting" the idea being to move that one on to the next "level" then on again--each level (nest) seeming to be relatively real


Oh, it may be that Nis would have preferred that "conversation" had not seen the light of day in print, however I find it quite illuminating in that he most probably would have had to answer questions from some who were already grappling with Buddhist concepts and theories in their "search for enlightenment" eh ?

So, how to deconstruct their ideas unless you have already done so yourself eh ?


:fencing:

Yes but!!
He said that he had not read books --everything he said came from personal "experience"
He was out to destroy all concepts So whatever was said to him he would say " That not it"
Anything that you can perceive or conceive, is not it

He did not have to deconstruction anything "personally" all he had to do was tell others to stay in the "I am" and in order to find out who you are, you had to first find out what you are not, hence Neity neity.

None of this my personal experience just getting--I hope--the essence of what Stephen Wolinsky was saying..
I think Stephen steers a straight and understandable course through the paradoxes.
Ch

[Clear Light]

Nisargadatta was not that happy with THAT book as it was a transcript of answers to individuals questions and aimed at that person only.
Stephen Wolinsky explains fully in the the three videos and others that I posted some time back.

It has to do with where the person addressed is "nesting" the idea being to move that one on to the next "level" then on again--each level (nest) seeming to be relatively real


Oh, it may be that Nis would have preferred that "conversation" had not seen the light of day in print, however I find it quite illuminating in that he most probably would have had to answer questions from some who were already grappling with Buddhist concepts and theories in their "search for enlightenment" eh ?

So, how to deconstruct their ideas unless you have already done so yourself eh ?


:fencing:

Yes but!!
He said that he had not read books --everything he said came from personal "experience"
He was out to destroy all concepts So whatever was said to him he would say " That not it"
Anything that you can perceive or conceive, is not it

He did not have to deconstruction anything "personally" all he had to do was tell others to stay in the "I am" and in order to find out who you are, you had to first find out what you are not, hence Neity neity.

None of this my personal experience just getting--I hope--the essence of what Stephen Wolinsky was saying..
I think Stephen steers a straight and understandable course through the paradoxes.
Ch

Oh, perhaps until such time as its unreality is made self-evident ?

Or, in other words, the (false) one who is searching has a moment of clarity and is directly exposed to its utter lack of inherent substance aka "Emptiness" (though not nothingness) eh ?

[greybeard]

Cant say as this one is searching--given up on that.
Im into what works Lol
Just passing time my friend.

ch

[betoobig]

Today i found him, love it
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Sorry if it been posted allready.
Much love

[Clear Light]

Cant say as this one is searching--given up on that.
Im into what works Lol
Just passing time my friend.

ch


34355

"Time" ... "What time ?" he says laughing :bigsmile:

[greybeard]

Alan Watts - Being God Q&A Session

Though I would bump this as it is amusing yet full of valid information from the perspective of "God realized"--thats the same as Self Realization

Ch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmX8HZuhNXE

[greybeard]

Alan Watts Interviews God (I recommend this one, it's a very interesting lecture)

Published on Jan 1, 2015

Alan Wilson Watts (6 January 1915 -- 16 November 1973) was a British philosopher, writer, and speaker, best known as an interpreter and popularizer of Eastern philosophy for a Western audience. Born in Chislehurst, he moved to the United States in 1938 and began Zen training in New York. Pursuing a career, he attended Seabury-Western Theological Seminary, where he received a master's degree in theology. Watts became an Episcopal priest but left the ministry in 1950 and moved to California, where he joined the faculty of the American Academy of Asian Studies.
Living on the West Coast, Watts gained a large following in the San Francisco Bay Area while working as a volunteer programmer at KPFA, a Pacifica Radio station in Berkeley. Watts wrote more than 25 books and articles on subjects important to Eastern and Western religion, introducing the then-burgeoning youth culture to The Way of Zen (1957), one of the first bestselling books on Buddhism. In Psychotherapy East and West (1961), Watts proposed that Buddhism could be thought of as a form of psychotherapy and not just a religion. Like Aldous Huxley before him, he explored human consciousness in the essay, "The New Alchemy" (1958), and in the book, The Joyous Cosmology (1962).
Towards the end of his life, he divided his time between a houseboat in Sausalito and a cabin on Mount Tamalpais. His legacy has been kept alive by his son, Mark Watts, and by many of his recorded talks and lectures that have found new life on the Internet. Critic Erik Davis notes the freshness, longevity, and continuing relevance of Watts's work today, observing that his "writings and recorded talks still shimmer with a profound and galvanizing lucidity."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AaRZnnKt4w

[joeecho]

Alan Watts, an interesting cats. Books could begin with a single sentence we writes or utters.

[greybeard]

Alan Watts, an interesting cats. Books could begin with a single sentence we writes or utters.

Hi Joe
He has a way of pointing that is unique but the moon is still the moon ----laughing.
Different finger pointing is all.

However he has a clarity that some teachers don't have.
I think it is great to cross check info.

Ch

[joeecho]

Alan Watts, an interesting cats. Books could begin with a single sentence we writes or utters.

Hi Joe
He has a way of pointing that is unique but the moon is still the moon ----laughing.
Different finger pointing is all.

However he has a clarity that some teachers don't have.
I think it is great to cross check info.

Ch

Oh, ALWAYS! That goes without saying.

I could have agreed without saying but where is the fun in that?

On a separate note, what if the big bang was just a cosmic child playing with his toy cannon?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8f/0a/80/8f0a804963b3b33388ba7295480aab4a.jpg

Just kitten.

[greybeard]

I used to wonder if God was just a kid playing with matches.

If I knew a little of the little I know--I would know----- Nothing.

There was "Nothing" before the big bang--everything comes out of That.

Ch

[joeecho]

I used to wonder if God was just a kid playing with matches.

If I knew a little of the little I know--I would know----- Nothing.

There was nothing before the big bang--everything comes out of That.

Ch

It's all play if not why all the room? The big bang is just an attempt to explain why the room appears to still be expanding.

Do I need another room to step out of it? Apparently the other room is a room of One, no play there.

[greybeard]

James Eaton - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview

Whilst growing up James had a deep sense that something about life didn’t add up. Unsure about what exactly that something was he tried to ‘fit in’ and graduated in Maths from Oxford University. It didn’t work.

He then began seeking a resolution to a lingering sense of unfulfillment by writing songs, singing and playing in bands, then as an actor, then as a school teacher, but that didn’t work either.

On recognising that no matter what his outer circumstances were the feeling of longing and dissatisfaction still remained, the nature of seeking turned inward and James found himself following a variety of spiritual and therapeutic paths. Despite providing many insights along the way these too ultimately failed to satisfy. He felt drawn more and more to the question that no one seemed to be asking: “Who is doing all this?”

Finally James came across the Non-Dual message with which there was an instant resonance. He met with many different teachers and seeking came to an end when the true nature of reality was clearly seen.

James now holds meetings and retreats in the UK and abroad, and lives in Totnes with his partner and two sons.

Website: http://jameseaton.org


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vwVs100mA

[ZooLife]

That last video you posted, Chris, is shown as 'Private' on YouTube.

[greybeard]

Paul hedderman 10/9/16 recovery
Zen BitchSlap

Recovery surrender



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCPzmvan6-0

[Clear Light]

[Snip]

What gets me in a way, though explained by by Mooj,i is free will.
You have it till you are happy with the realization that there is no free will.

It takes subject and object to express free will.

(If) You dont exist as an individual--only one substance, yet the Guru gives you things to do to find the Self within.
If you are not the doer why give "you" things to seem to do when you do nothing --- laughing hysterically.

You have freewill within the play BUT you and the play are a mirage---nothing is real, nothing separate, nothing happened, no creation no dissolution.
So they, the Mystics say, at least Nisargadatta and Ramana Maharshi do.
Nisargadatta was suggesting find out what you are not--Neity neity.

All beyond the mind to understand>
Ch

Ah, on the subject of free will this may or may not be of interest but I remembered making a reply to Avalon some time ago (October 2015) on this very Concept ... here it is from The Frustrating search for Free Will - Article (projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86087-The-Frustrating-search-for-Free-Will-Article) :


Ah, now thinking about "Free Will" I remembered this Video, which, while not providing any Definitive Answers to what so-called "Free Will" is, does highlight (from a Scientific POV) *how* our Subconscious is certainly playing its part !

It's hosted at LiveLeak and shows part of a BBC video called "The Secret You" on this very Subject matter : Brain Scans Can Reveal Your Decisions 7 Seconds Before You “Decide” (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c5_1377891062)

Quote : In a kind of spooky experiment, scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences reveal that our decisions are made seconds before we become aware of them.

My current "working hypothesis" is that our "Sense of Self" is itself a Subconscious Projection hence my interest in Meditation and methods of Self-Enquiry !

Now, I can't seem to embed the actual (six minute) video into this reply but what it is basically saying is that our typical Waking Consciousness (including probably ALL of our "thoughts") IS NOT WHO we all Truly are !!!

You see, as the Subconscious ceases to Project our "sense of self" (or IOW it "dissolves" or "dissipates" most likely due to some form of "Meditation") what REMAINS IS who we all Truly Are ... thus WHY what is commonly referred to as "Free Will" is simply an Untenable Proposition eh ?

Just Saying BTW :idea:

. : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : .

P.S. Here's a link to the 11Mb Video if you need it at WeTransfer (https://we.tl/QuT07UI1Rj) (available for seven days from the time of this post)

[greybeard]

[Snip]

What gets me in a way, though explained by by Mooj,i is free will.
You have it till you are happy with the realization that there is no free will.

It takes subject and object to express free will.

(If) You dont exist as an individual--only one substance, yet the Guru gives you things to do to find the Self within.
If you are not the doer why give "you" things to seem to do when you do nothing --- laughing hysterically.

You have freewill within the play BUT you and the play are a mirage---nothing is real, nothing separate, nothing happened, no creation no dissolution.
So they, the Mystics say, at least Nisargadatta and Ramana Maharshi do.
Nisargadatta was suggesting find out what you are not--Neity neity.

All beyond the mind to understand>
Ch

Ah, on the subject of free will this may or may not be of interest but I remembered making a reply to Avalon some time ago (October 2015) on this very Concept ... here it is from The Frustrating search for Free Will - Article (projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86087-The-Frustrating-search-for-Free-Will-Article) :


Ah, now thinking about "Free Will" I remembered this Video, which, while not providing any Definitive Answers to what so-called "Free Will" is, does highlight (from a Scientific POV) *how* our Subconscious is certainly playing its part !

It's hosted at LiveLeak and shows part of a BBC video called "The Secret You" on this very Subject matter : Brain Scans Can Reveal Your Decisions 7 Seconds Before You “Decide” (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c5_1377891062)

Quote : In a kind of spooky experiment, scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences reveal that our decisions are made seconds before we become aware of them.

My current "working hypothesis" is that our "Sense of Self" is itself a Subconscious Projection hence my interest in Meditation and methods of Self-Enquiry !

Now, I can't seem to embed the actual (six minute) video into this reply but what it is basically saying is that our typical Waking Consciousness (including probably ALL of our "thoughts") IS NOT WHO we all Truly are !!!

You see, as the Subconscious ceases to Project our "sense of self" (or IOW it "dissolves" or "dissipates" most likely due to some form of "Meditation") what REMAINS IS who we all Truly Are ... thus WHY what is commonly referred to as "Free Will" is simply an Untenable Proposition ...

Just Saying BTW :idea:

Its all in the video below,-free will does not exist.
I have to hear this over and over to keep it "Real"

The late Dr David Hawkins also gave examples of "The action has started or occurred before we are aware of this--then we claim authorship"
.
Thanks, my friend, the complementarity --confirming information.

I posted this video a wee while back.

Ch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVHRRxUpog

[joeecho]

Double vision is a distortion of one as is sound to an echo. ;)

Would 'someone' here like to echo that vision?

[greybeard]

Echo needs something external to bounce off, to be heard.
Trace the sound back to its source--the original unchanging.

Ch

[greybeard]

The Open Secret with Tony Parsons


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=824XLXzz7fg

[Wind]

"Everything, every experience, good or bad, pleasant or unpleasant, may be turned into a pointer towards our true nature, a reminder of the high quest which all human beings are here on earth to follow, whether consciously or not."

"Knowing that his reaction to whatever happens is even more important than the happening itself, he watches for hidden tests of his character and capacity. Whether he is coping with the problems of his work or moving in the circle of his family, he uses each episode or situation to prove himself worthy or to discover a weakness. In the latter event he will not become discouraged but will probe, analyse, plan, and resolve until he turns it into a new strength."

~ Paul Brunton

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14563431_871591296310770_5712578756292660014_n.jpg?oh=a36f9395114def86b53f7b11cd9384cd&oe=589BD5D3

[Clear Light]

[Snip]

(If) You dont exist as an individual--only one substance, yet the Guru gives you things to do to find the Self within.
If you are not the doer why give "you" things to seem to do when you do nothing --- laughing hysterically.

[Snip]

Ah, I reckon it's probably because He or She (aka the Guru) can't Predict how you'll React to their Pronouncements in their attempt to "Unblock your Blind spots" with regards to Non-Conceptual Non-Duality eh ?

[greybeard]

[Snip]

(If) You dont exist as an individual--only one substance, yet the Guru gives you things to do to find the Self within.
If you are not the doer why give "you" things to seem to do when you do nothing --- laughing hysterically.

[Snip]

Ah, I reckon it's probably because He or She (aka the Guru) can't Predict how you'll React to their Pronouncements in their attempt to "Unblock your Blind spots" with regards to Non-Conceptual Non-Duality eh ?

Well I suppose thats as good an answer as possible in a illusion.
Thank you.
Ch

[Clear Light]

[Snip]

(If) You dont exist as an individual--only one substance, yet the Guru gives you things to do to find the Self within.
If you are not the doer why give "you" things to seem to do when you do nothing --- laughing hysterically.

[Snip]

Ah, I reckon it's probably because He or She (aka the Guru) can't Predict how you'll React to their Pronouncements in their attempt to "Unblock your Blind spots" with regards to Non-Conceptual Non-Duality eh ?

Well I suppose thats as good an answer as possible in a illusion.
Thank you.
Ch

Oh, thanks, but I have to say that any "Guru" who is "worth their salt" (or on the money so-to-say) is coming from "Reality" to remove your illusions (delusions) from before your Eyes eh ? ;)

[greybeard]

[Snip]

(If) You dont exist as an individual--only one substance, yet the Guru gives you things to do to find the Self within.
If you are not the doer why give "you" things to seem to do when you do nothing --- laughing hysterically.

[Snip]

Ah, I reckon it's probably because He or She (aka the Guru) can't Predict how you'll React to their Pronouncements in their attempt to "Unblock your Blind spots" with regards to Non-Conceptual Non-Duality eh ?

Well I suppose thats as good an answer as possible in a illusion.
Thank you.
Ch

Oh, thanks, but I have to say that any "Guru" who is "worth their salt" (or on the money so-to-say) is coming from "Reality" to remove your illusions (delusions) from before your Eyes eh ? ;)

Yes its all levels though.
All concepts must go even that there is enlightenment--illusion or me.
The witness is part of the illusion, as is awareness--What is there to be aware of?--Subject and object are part of illusion.

The Absolute does not know it is. Nasargadatta quote.

Im just talking aloud --I dont really need to know--but I appreciate communication.

We were not put here to be alone--so while in illusion enjoy and appreciate it, as I'm sure you do.

Ch

[greybeard]

Sri M - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview

Sri M - spiritual guide, social reformer and educationist – was born into a Muslim family on November 6, 1949 in Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala. His transformational journey, from a young boy to a living yogi, is a fascinating story symbolized by single-minded discipline and dedication.

Entranced by mystical stories of Sufi saints and a brief encounter with a numinous Swami at a relatively young age, he was not only drawn to the ‘truth’ but also the compelling landscape of the snow-clad Himalayas. At the age of nine, his spiritual transformation was initiated by his future Master, Babaji (also known as Maheshwarnath Babaji), who miraculously appeared under a jackfruit tree in the compound of his house in Thiruvananthapuram. Though only fleeting, this meeting definitively set the stage for their future reunion in the Himalayas at Sri M’s age of nineteen.

The next three and half years, he lived and travelled extensively through the Himalayas with his Master. Maheshwarnath Babaji guided him right through his initiation, his Kundalini awakening, the grueling journey to Tholingmutt and, the eventual meeting with the Grand Master, Sri Guru Babaji also known as Sri Mahavatar Babaji.

Few years after his Master passed away, he received the spiritual go-ahead to commence his mission. In 1998, he started his teachings, eventually leading to formation of the Satsang Foundation.

In response to a query on the spiritual progress of a person and the path to that evolution, he responds, “Though, my parampara is kriya yoga, I don’t think it suits all aspirants. I propound satsang even between two people. It cuts across barriers of caste and creed. Spiritual evolution is not diverse from regular living. Intervals of solitude are necessary but you cannot shut yourself totally. The world around you is your touchstone to spiritual practice.” Conversant with teachings of most major religions, Sri M says: “Go to the core. Theories are of no use.” His message seeks to transcend the outer-shell of all religions, by exploring their mystical core to nurture the innate goodness in every human being.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ8mflDpY98

[joeecho]

I am more......or.........less enlightened every day.

Just some existential en-lighten-ment humor.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GO42vP_qNmM/V_6vSj1Ey9I/AAAAAAAAG6A/mO7WeQVitz80RjQdJIQRXhuEWJ-okB-qACLcB/s640/Enlightenment.JPG

[greybeard]

James Eaton - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview

Whilst growing up James had a deep sense that something about life didn’t add up. Unsure about what exactly that something was he tried to ‘fit in’ and graduated in Maths from Oxford University. It didn’t work.

He then began seeking a resolution to a lingering sense of unfulfillment by writing songs, singing and playing in bands, then as an actor, then as a school teacher, but that didn’t work either.

On recognising that no matter what his outer circumstances were the feeling of longing and dissatisfaction still remained, the nature of seeking turned inward and James found himself following a variety of spiritual and therapeutic paths. Despite providing many insights along the way these too ultimately failed to satisfy. He felt drawn more and more to the question that no one seemed to be asking: “Who is doing all this?”

Finally James came across the Non-Dual message with which there was an instant resonance. He met with many different teachers and seeking came to an end when the true nature of reality was clearly seen.

James now holds meetings and retreats in the UK and abroad, and lives in Totnes with his partner and two sons.

Website: http://jameseaton.org


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vwVs100mA


There was a challenge with this video now resolved--hence the reason for bumping it.

Ch

By coincidence

He is having a three day retreat here
Sat 22 Oct to Tues 25 Oct 2016 Findhorn Scotland

[greybeard]

Alan Watts ~ The Eye Of I From Which Nothing Is Hidden

Published on Sep 6, 2016

Human appearance has taken on a whole new aura.
The One Self shines forth through everyone’s eyes. A radiance shines forth from everyone’s face; everyone is equally beautiful.
Most difficult to describe is the interaction among people that moves onto a different level of communication.

There is obvious love among everyone.
Their speech, however, has changed so that all conversation has become loving and peaceful.
The meaning of the words that are heard is not the same as others hear. It is as though there are two different levels of consciousness going on, coming out of the same scenario of form and movement; two different scripts are being spoken via the same words.

The meanings of words themselves have been transformed onto a different plane by the higher selves of the people involved with each other, and the communication of understanding is on a higher plane.
At the same time, it is clear that the lower selves of the people are unaware of the communication simultaneously going on with their higher selves.
People are as though hypnotized into believing the reality of the ordinary selves, which is merely the unwitting acting out of scenarios or roles, as in a movie.
By ignoring the lesser selves, the higher selves address each other directly, and the persons’ ordinary selves appear to be unaware of this ongoing higher level of conversation. At the same time, people are sensing intuitively that something different from the ordinary is happening.
The conscious presence of the Self creates an energy field that people find extremely pleasurable. It is this energy field that performs the miraculous and brings occurrences into harmony, along with a sense of peace to all who experience it.
Visitors who had traveled many miles to ask questions suddenly knew in the presence of that aura the answers that came about through an inner understanding that made the original question irrelevant. T
his occurred because the Presence recontextualized the illusion of a ‘problem’ and thus caused it to disappear.

The Eye of the I from Which Nothing is Hidden (Kindle Locations 345-362).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQHRM4z2-6Y

I had not realized that Allan Watts had done so many talks.

I think his relatives have taken on the task of making his "work" available now.

I may be wrong in that assumption but its great that this is appearing at this time.

Ch

[greybeard]

Seems a bit quiet and peaceful here at the moment.
Much the same in the head.

Ch

[greybeard]

Alan Watts - From Ego to the Divine (Lecture)
"The ego is nothing other than the focus of conscious attention." - Alan Watts


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i0r7fP1E-w

[joeecho]

"The ego is nothing other than the focus of conscious attention." - Alan Watts


That is an excellent quote. Even if, for example, one was unable to focus on anything, the focus would theoretically be on everything. Focus on everything is still focus on something.

Say one couldn't focus and became overwhelmed by it all, then that would be the focus....being overwhelmed.

The diversity of ego is without limits, particularly when it comes to focus/ attention.

The feeling of being alive is at it's height with a razor sharp focus, emphasis on 'feeling'.

[joeecho]

That which underlies perception is the Truth and as such I cannot perceive it. Even now I think that by trying not to perceive it, I perceive it. Logic can be such a bitch.

Perception is built on the Truth but it cannot stand on it's own. Of course, that too is a perception....

.......end transmission.

[Wind]

FT219WdRCUA

[Guish]

https://doninmass.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/flow-with-whatever-may-happen.jpg?w=760

Nothing needs to be complicated.

[greybeard]

https://doninmass.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/flow-with-whatever-may-happen.jpg?w=760

Nothing needs to be complicated.

Good to see your post Guish.
I realize your life is very busy just now.

The words on the image suggest you are not personally the doer.

Ch

[Guish]

Ah Yes, Chris.
It has been very hectic lately.
I did come from time to time.
Good to see all of you doing well.

[greybeard]

Alan Watts has a unique way of explaining the unexplainable.
If find his talks enthralling even though I have heard the same Truth many times from a variety of mystics.
His in-depth knowledge of different languages from a spiritual perspective is truly amazing.

Any video of his is well worth viewing.

Ch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Watts


Alan Watts - Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZTxiDmme_s

[greybeard]

Alan Watts - We Are Just Vibrations (everything is moving ... constantly )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioJQIlfcAw4


Alan Wilson Watts (6 January 1915 – 16 November 1973) was a British-born philosopher, writer, and speaker, best known as an interpreter and populariser of Eastern philosophy for a Western audience. Born in Chislehurst, England, he moved to the United States in 1938 and began Zen training in New York. Pursuing a career, he attended Seabury-Western Theological Seminary, where he received a master's degree in theology. Watts became an Episcopal priest in 1945, then left the ministry in 1950 and moved to California, where he joined the faculty of the American Academy of Asian Studies.

Watts gained a large following in the San Francisco Bay Area while working as a volunteer programmer at KPFA, a Pacifica Radio station in Berkeley. Watts wrote more than 25 books and articles on subjects important to Eastern and Western religion, introducing the then-burgeoning youth culture to The Way of Zen (1957), one of the first bestselling books on Buddhism. In Psychotherapy East and West (1961), Watts proposed that Buddhism could be thought of as a form of psychotherapy and not a religion. He also explored human consciousness, in the essay "The New Alchemy" (1958), and in the book The Joyous Cosmology (1962).

Towards the end of his life, he divided his time between a houseboat in Sausalito and a cabin on Mount Tamalpais. His legacy has been kept alive by his son, Mark Watts, and many of his recorded talks and lectures are available on the Internet. According to the critic Erik Davis, his "writings and recorded talks still shimmer with a profound and galvanizing lucidity."

[joeecho]

Nothing needs to be complicated.

That is apparently what started it all, nothing's need to be complicated. ;)

[joeecho]

Alan Watts - We Are Just Vibrations (everything is moving ... constantly )

If I were to identify with vibration then I would agree that 'we' are just vibrations though I would amend that to say that vibration is a first layer illusion. In fact, it is the basis for all subsequent illusions.

https://67.media.tumblr.com/f469106e4e25cd80ab147f535e13b08a/tumblr_n9g1diJzs21s46p8ao1_500.gif

[greybeard]

Alan Watts - We Are Just Vibrations (everything is moving ... constantly )

If I were to identify with vibration then I would agree that 'we' are just vibrations though I would amend that to say that vibration is a first layer illusion. In fact, it is the basis for all subsequent illusions.

https://67.media.tumblr.com/f469106e4e25cd80ab147f535e13b08a/tumblr_n9g1diJzs21s46p8ao1_500.gif

Yes thats true, Consciousness/awareness is also part of the mirage---What is there to be aware of?
We put human characteristic on the Divine the Absolute (Anthropomorphism)--I looked up the big word--Lol
Teachers meet you were you stand and move you on one level at a time till you realize there are no levels.
Don't nest in any station--Stephen Wolinsky is very direct and explains how Nisargadatta operated --removing concepts--one layer at a time.

Anyway you know what I mean.

Ch

[joeecho]

Alan Watts - We Are Just Vibrations (everything is moving ... constantly )

If I were to identify with vibration then I would agree that 'we' are just vibrations though I would amend that to say that vibration is a first layer illusion. In fact, it is the basis for all subsequent illusions.

https://67.media.tumblr.com/f469106e4e25cd80ab147f535e13b08a/tumblr_n9g1diJzs21s46p8ao1_500.gif

Yes thats true, Consciousness/awareness is also part of the mirage---What is there to be aware of?
We put human characteristic on the Divine the Absolute (Anthropomorphism)--I looked up the big word--Lol
Teachers meet you were you stand and move you on one level at a time till you realize there are no levels.
Don't nest in any station--Stephen Wolinsky is very direct and explains how Nisargadatta operated --removing concepts--one layer at a time.

Anyway you know what I mean.

Ch

I couldn't agree more, Chris.

[greybeard]

Alan Watts (2 FULL HOURS) - The Most Shocking thing EVER is THIS MOMENT (Oh, & btw..YOU ARE GOD)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZEfUCMESs

[Clear Light]

Ah, I hope anybody watching this video (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154122878714895&id=583269894) of Paul Hedderman will thoroughly enjoy it as much as I did :clapping:


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[A screenshot of Paul from the Video]

Why ? Because it is chock-full of useful pointers about HOW the I-of-Self-Centeredness can NEVER "get it", that is "the it of enlightenment" LOL LMAO :tongue1:

IMHO, it utterly exposes the "root of our ignorance" and the "base" from which ALL of our *many* illusions / delusions "develop" :bigsmile:

Indeed, I'd suggest he is Energetically "expressing" as some-one (now no-one ;) ) who has had such a "Shift" in their own Mind and is seeing the Absurdity of the "search for Enlightenment" !!!

It's on his Facebook page here (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154122878714895&id=583269894) but for those Avalonians (and others) who do not use such Social Media Platforms, here's a WeTransfer link to the video (available until the 26th October) : Paul_Hedderman_Live (https://we.tl/j7fHxzTMGQ)

Great Stuff eh ?

[joeecho]

Why ? Because it is chock-full of useful pointers about HOW the I-of-Self-Centeredness can NEVER "get it", that is "the it of enlightenment" LOL LMAO :tongue1:


Here is a good analogy to the 'get it' ideology: Imagine yourself a ghost and trying to GET a glass of water as like the self gets a glass of water in this 'reality'. The ghost goes to grab the glass of water and the imagined ghost hand passes right though the glass as if it didn't exist. Another example would be for one in the physical realm to try to grasp a hologram of a glass of water. Either way one doesn't GET the glass of water. A twist would be if your hand was ALSO a hologram, it would grasp the hologram glass. This is another application of the 'as above, so below' ideology.

Matter matters to matter. If one did not subscribe to matter in some way, matter would not matter to ......... because it is not really 'there'.

[Clear Light]

Why ? Because it is chock-full of useful pointers about HOW the I-of-Self-Centeredness can NEVER "get it", that is "the it of enlightenment" LOL LMAO :tongue1:


Here is a good analogy to the 'get it' ideology: Imagine yourself a ghost and trying to GET a glass of water as like the self gets a glass of water in this 'reality'. The ghost goes to grab the glass of water and the imagined ghost hand passes right though the glass as if it didn't exist. Another example would be for one in the physical realm to try to grasp a hologram of a grass of water. Either way one doesn't GET the glass of water. A twist would be if your hand was ALSO a hologram, it would grasp the hologram glass. This is another application of the 'as above, so below' ideology.

Matter matters to matter. If one did not subscribe to matter in some way, matter would not matter to ......... because it is not really 'there'.

Ah, indeed, and that's probably why those who subscribe to such a Materialistic "belief system" must find it almost impossible to "entertain the idea" that "Spirituality" isn't just a lot of "Mumbo Jumbo" eh ? :sun:

[picloud]

The ego in spiritual terms could be defined as "Edge God Out"
Every spiritual teacher without exception says that to fully know one true self the ego must be transcended.

Hi greybeard,

Had a read of this quickly and I'll admit that I have not read the follow-up replies because I was caught by the above sentences. Could you break the "Edge God Out" down for me in say a sentence or few?
I also would like to raise maybe what I'd call an idea that differentiates transcendence of ego to realise your truest potential... it's not that transcendence is unimportant (of the ego) but that would not be the final step in my opinion.
I believe that one most coerce the ego into working for one's self, and maybe that is what you have highlighted in the part where you say "It is good to take pride in the way we do things."
But on the semi-contrary as I'm eluding to, working with one's ego is better than working against it.
I can elaborate, but I don't want to get too carried away at first in case someone (even yourself) has already come on board with this idea - and perhaps I've misunderstood something.
Let me know what you think, this would make for an interesting discussion I believe.

Regards,

picloud.

[joeecho]

Why ? Because it is chock-full of useful pointers about HOW the I-of-Self-Centeredness can NEVER "get it", that is "the it of enlightenment" LOL LMAO :tongue1:


Here is a good analogy to the 'get it' ideology: Imagine yourself a ghost and trying to GET a glass of water as like the self gets a glass of water in this 'reality'. The ghost goes to grab the glass of water and the imagined ghost hand passes right though the glass as if it didn't exist. Another example would be for one in the physical realm to try to grasp a hologram of a grass of water. Either way one doesn't GET the glass of water. A twist would be if your hand was ALSO a hologram, it would grasp the hologram glass. This is another application of the 'as above, so below' ideology.

Matter matters to matter. If one did not subscribe to matter in some way, matter would not matter to ......... because it is not really 'there'.

Ah, indeed, and that's probably why those who subscribe to such a Materialistic "belief system" must find it almost impossible to "entertain the idea" that "Spirituality" isn't just a lot of "Mumbo Jumbo" eh ? :sun:

Yes. At one point in the story of my spiritual adventure I was deep in the Mumbo Jumbo pool but slowly but surely I worked my way to the shallow end. Now I mostly splash around in the shallow end since I'm not ready to get out.

Okay, it's just a story but it's making a splash in 'my' mind. :bathbaby:

[greybeard]

The ego in spiritual terms could be defined as "Edge God Out"
Every spiritual teacher without exception says that to fully know one true self the ego must be transcended.

Hi greybeard,

Had a read of this quickly and I'll admit that I have not read the follow-up replies because I was caught by the above sentences. Could you break the "Edge God Out" down for me in say a sentence or few?
I also would like to raise maybe what I'd call an idea that differentiates transcendence of ego to realise your truest potential... it's not that transcendence is unimportant (of the ego) but that would not be the final step in my opinion.
I believe that one most coerce the ego into working for one's self, and maybe that is what you have highlighted in the part where you say "It is good to take pride in the way we do things."
But on the semi-contrary as I'm eluding to, working with one's ego is better than working against it.
I can elaborate, but I don't want to get too carried away at first in case someone (even yourself) has already come on board with this idea - and perhaps I've misunderstood something.
Let me know what you think, this would make for an interesting discussion I believe.

Regards,

picloud.

First welcome to the thread picloud

Edge God Out is a play on words or rather letters E--G---Out

Taming the ego is good way to begin--being aware of what it is doing --ie judging comparing--being superior --inferior--special.--separate.
So simply the ego is a separation device--if you believe you are part of God--Unity Consciousness--Oneness or similar labels then the ego will keep you thinking you are only a unique separate person.

As you are aware there are hundreds of posts --if you just chose one on each page even that would take a while--most of your questions are covered fully.
But keep asking.

Chris

[The Freedom Train]

This is a fantastic thread! Thanks so much for starting this discussion Greybeard! Wow if only I could sit down and read and digest every post in the whole thread right now (so says my mind).

I have had some serious shifts happening over the course of the past few days, and I would like to share my experience of amazement at how much density is being cleared simply through my surrendering to the process - ie not trying to make anything happen. That has to be one of the biggest challenges for me - since I am an aries and so eager to serve and please - this desire to act and manifest the freedom we all seek and endeavor to share is very strong in me.

I have been doing a lot of lying down in bed (much to my mind's chagrin - apparently being unemployed currently has its benefits). I'm not really trying to do anything, just watching it all go down. And there is a lot going down.

This seems to be related to my recent epiphany of the transformative power of love I had the other day. Not that I didn't already rationally understand that, but I KNEW it the other day. And the whole hydra/chinese handcuff phenomenon made so much sense to me. They say whatever you resist persists, and the Borg on Star Trek say: resistance is futile. So I would then say to them (the archons) gee you know what you're right. Love is the answer.

Love thyself, love each other. Love love love. This awakening is freeing me from so much density thats been trapped on the spin cycle of my soul for who even knows how long.

Inside and out, cycling through layers and levels of my inner and outer worlds. The density is being transformed. I feel lighter, freer.

"Don't nest in any station--Stephen Wolinsky is very direct and explains how Nisargadatta operated --removing concepts--one layer at a time."

Such a great quote, because I see this happening in myself now. Rather than turn to my desire to "make" something happen in my life I am letting go and ALLOWING whatever wants to BE MY LIFE happen. And this process seems to have very little to do with my input - at least now. Maybe I had to go through a period where I strove mightily, yearning and pushing with every fibre in my being. But at least for now, the name of the game seems to be all about letting go for me. I've even stopped my regular meditations (which has been, for me, a scary thing to do. What if I am being misdirected? But I am sending this whole crazy thing I'm going through love, and the results are an exponential growth of something new inside of me).

Thanks to everyone here for your loving support, your friendship, and your engaging discussion. It has certainly helped lead me to where I am now - and I have only been active on this forum for - what? A couple weeks? How fantastic it is to have so many awakened people to commune with, to share questions and insights, to let it all hang out and truly be ourselves together. What a blessing. :)

[greybeard]

Are you still thinking? - Alan Watts

In this talk he touches on ZEN.
He sure knows a lot about language--spiritual terms in various languages.

Well worth listening to.
Ch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za0w00HxHbk

[greybeard]

The Freedom Train
Welcome to the thread and thanks for your enthusiastic post.
Its good that you listened to Stepen Wolinsky and quoted him.
Its great that Love is very much your life.
Please keep posting here, your input is appreciated.

Ch

[Guish]

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13177785_1246575402036816_5238038896931443725_n.png?oh=4c1eafd7e186732c34303cfda61b2cee&oe=588FEE34

[joeecho]

If we could pass through every and any thing in existence would that convince more of an illusion?

There are things science has said can pass through the hardest objects on the planet and indeed the planet itself. Perceptually we are condition to believe that most 'solid' things have other things go around them, not through them. For example, there are particles that pass right through us, physically, like we are not even here. Should we call them god particles? (just joking, maybe)

Can't pass (though) this post/ idea, it has already passed through you. Catch it if you can or should it fancy you.

[Wind]

Your mind loves things,
but your being just loves to be.

~ Mooji

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14542485_870503993086167_5626320300245067028_o.jpg

[Sueanne47]

I love that picture Wind!

[greybeard]

Good to see you here Sueanne

Chris

[Sueanne47]

If only everyone in the world would get along like these two :

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[joeecho]

Your mind loves things,
but your being just loves to be.

~ Mooji

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Beautiful post, Wind.

Idk, the mind loves to be as well, be 'alive' that is.

In the realm of form, 'to be' is the first pretender.

[Wind]

The mind is at work again, isn't it? ;)

[joeecho]

The mind is at work again, isn't it? ;)



Yep, just like yours and Mooji's that figured that out.

MIND your own business! ;) (playing with words, I don't actually mean that)

Hope you don't MIND that I let it outside without a leash. I scoff at the leash laws as you know.

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Yo Yo Yo

[Wind]

I would mind my business, but you are my minding my business too!
Did the cat stay in the bag or was it killed by curiosity? Joking.
The mind is a good servant and a bad master. Isn't it? :happy dog:

[joeecho]

I would mind my business, but you are my minding my business too!
Did the cat stay in the bag or was it killed by curiosity? Joking.
The mind is a good servant and a bad master. Isn't it? :happy dog:

Not only does it serve but it expects one to buy it. I am not buying it but I will pick through it. Apparently that can be upsetting to one whose favorite food it is.

Oh, Wind, your mind is my mind or are you under the illusion that we are separate?

Okay, I won't mind 'your' business anymore. A few more annoying posts and I'll go dark for the greater good.

[Sueanne47]

Sonia is a Cancer patient dreaming of visiting the Kremlin, here she meets Mr Putin :

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[greybeard]

"Everything is emptiness and form is just condensed emptiness."
Einstein quote, perhaps I got the quote right this time. Smiling
Anyway!!! Science proves "spiritual concepts" but many people, unfortunately, do not make the connection.
Spiritual says
"Form -formless both and neither"

Ch

[greybeard]

Graham Hancock Interview at The Common Glastonbury 2016





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLoZFLFyBvg

[greybeard]

What is God? According to 13 year old genius physicist - Max Loughan

Now hear this!!!
Was I not saying science is proving spiritual principals to be true.

This kid has got it right.
Wise up adults, laughing.
Never mind my sens of humor.

Quote "God created us and is us" and much more.
Ch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuH0gqxKaY

[Sueanne47]

My he's a little genius isnt he? quantum physics, unreliable monks, fibonacci sequence/spiral, nikola tesla, electrostatic pulses! dimensions, googleplex of an atometer? ......he talks sooo fast I cant keep up

he is definately incarnated from someone quite brainy..

[greybeard]

My he's a little genius isnt he? quantum physics, unreliable monks, fibonacci sequence/spiral, nikola tesla, electrostatic pulses! dimensions, googleplex of an atometer? ......he talks sooo fast I cant keep up

he is definately incarnated from someone quite brainy..

Or spiritual--look at the eyes.

Ch

[joeecho]

Though you have been and continue as many things in relationship to many things, you have and remain unchanged through it all.

To be changed all the while unchanged, now that defies all worldly logic.

(As an example) Max Loughan is one in a long line of changes still unchanged.

Still one of the best questions ever posed is, "What is real and what is an illusion?"

[Guish]

Though you have been and continue as many things in relationship to many things, you have and remain unchanged through it all.

To be changed all the while unchanged, now that defies all worldly logic.

(As an example) Max Loughan is one in a long line of changes still unchanged.

Still one of the best questions ever posed is, "What is real and what is an illusion?"

Anything that changes isn't real or
Reality is that everything changes!

[joeecho]

Though you have been and continue as many things in relationship to many things, you have and remain unchanged through it all.

To be changed all the while unchanged, now that defies all worldly logic.

(As an example) Max Loughan is one in a long line of changes still unchanged.

Still one of the best questions ever posed is, "What is real and what is an illusion?"

Anything that changes isn't real or
Reality is that everything changes!

Yes

Sometimes I like to restate things and then connect them into a circle, a mantra if you will. Maybe that is why I keep talking and sound like a broken record to some.

Change is illusion, illusion is change.

Change is like the most captivating shiny trinket ever devised. It has the ability to hold attention indefinitely.

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[joeecho]

Some have this feeling, this thought, that they want to get off the wheel.

The wheel? Getting off? There is no getting off.

Where is the point?

Wheel, what wheel?

I can imagine getting off the wheel but I will have to be to do it, though to be fair, I am just take the wheel with me in the process.

Wheels creating wheels creating......

Are we having fun yet?

[greybeard]

Infinite Love is the Only Truth - David Icke
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Well in a few words David told the whole truth.

Ch



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKEqhODNFGI

[greybeard]

I posted this else where however what struck me in particular was one sentence--Only one substance.
Now thats what Stephen Wolinsky also said in his videos about the teachings of Nisargadatta.

There is an enormous amount of "spiritual" information in the video it will take several viewings for me to really get the essence of it.

Anyway well worth getting into
Ch



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaKOHmEenEk

[Clear Light]

:heart:
I posted this else where however what struck me in particular was one sentence--Only one substance.
Now thats what Stephen Wolinsky also said in his videos about the teachings of Nisargadatta.

[snip]

Oh, but isn't "one substance" an Abstraction, a Conceptual Designation, a Label or Description of what is essentially Form-less eh ?

Thus with regards to non-duality, what I'm suggesting is you have to go "beyond" both the ideas of Unity as well as that of Oneness to see the "underlying reality" !!!

Even though, according to Quantum Physics, there is no such thing as an "underlying reality" because it is all in "super position" until it is "observed" or conceptualised by Mind !

Much better, I'd say, to recognise the Emptiness of one's own Mind beyond ALL concepts, and rest as the Knowingness that never changes irrespective of ALL states-of-consciousness eh ? :sun:


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[joeecho]

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[greybeard]

I posted this else where however what struck me in particular was one sentence--Only one substance.

[snip]




Oh, but isn't "one substance" an Abstraction, a Conceptual Designation, a Label or Description of what is essentially Form-less eh ?

Thus with regards to non-duality, what I'm suggesting is you have to go "beyond" both the ideas of Unity as well as that of Oneness to see the "underlying reality" !!!

Even though, according to Quantum Physics, there is no such thing as an "underlying reality" because it is all in "super position" until it is "observed" or conceptualised by Mind !

Much better, I'd say, to recognise the Emptiness of one's own Mind beyond ALL concepts, and rest as the Knowingness that never changes irrespective of ALL states-of-consciousness eh ? :sun:
Yes and thats what Wolinsky says in one of the videos--He calls the process de construct--through neity neity everything must go even beyond consciousness The Absolute has no awareness or human facility --no mechanism for knowing it exists.
The one substance is what everything in the illusion is made off--now isnt that a weird.contradiction.
All levels of perception till there is none..
This dream sure feels real
David Icke in the video talks of us being the dreamer within the dream--the voice told him everything without exception is unreal--if I remember correctly.
Anyway we are here for the moment --enjoy it.
Ch.

Ps it like saying "Nothing" is possible Lol

[Clear Light]

I posted this else where however what struck me in particular was one sentence--Only one substance.

[snip]




Oh, but isn't "one substance" an Abstraction, a Conceptual Designation, a Label or Description of what is essentially Form-less eh ?

Thus with regards to non-duality, what I'm suggesting is you have to go "beyond" both the ideas of Unity as well as that of Oneness to see the "underlying reality" !!!

Even though, according to Quantum Physics, there is no such thing as an "underlying reality" because it is all in "super position" until it is "observed" or conceptualised by Mind !

Much better, I'd say, to recognise the Emptiness of one's own Mind beyond ALL concepts, and rest as the Knowingness that never changes irrespective of ALL states-of-consciousness eh ? :sun:
Yes and thats what Wolinsky says in one of the videos--He calls the process de construct--through neity neity everything must go even beyond consciousness The Absolute has no awareness or human facility --no mechanism for knowing it exists.
The one substance is what everything in the illusion is made off--now isnt that a weird.contradiction.
All levels of perception till there is none..
This dream sure feels real
David Icke in the video talks of us being the dreamer within the dream--the voice told him everything without exception is unreal--if I remember correctly.
Anyway we are here for the moment --enjoy it.
Ch.

Ps it like saying "Nothing" is possible Lol

Oh, LOL, you mean it's like saying "no-thing" is possible eh ?

Which I infer to mean "don't confuse the Map with the Territory" or "don't mistake Concepts about Things to be the Things in themselves" :p

Here's an Image with this very theme ...


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Now who's "Map" is more Representative of the "Truth" than others eh ? :wink:

[greybeard]

Frogs into Princes book on NLP was the first time I heard the expression The map etc
Its true at that level--your world/map, because of concepts and the whole brigade of labels, life history, the works, is different from everyone else--the challenge of understanding the words is just that,
So my understanding is that beyon everything that human minds, consciousness can come up with--its not that--"Not conceivable or perceivable" Nasargadatta part of quote. when he was asked to describe what he is. Not a state.

Enjoying our discussion, which is enhanced by words and is not.

Ch

[greybeard]

I have to say I have gotten as far as my intellect, language skills, understanding, can take me on this subject.

I enjoy this debate we have, it makes me think--perhaps that is not dangerous to the me--smiling.
As in--- Who exactly debating? To whom does this debate arise? What I is this?
and so on and so forth..
No end to perceived cleverness which keeps me --me.
Oh well.

Ch

[greybeard]

Most teachers stop short of ultimate Truth or rarely mention it, most are not ready to hear it--why put them off before they even get started?

Nisarhadatta as explained by Stepen Wolinsky did not

Eckhart Tolle said "The ego thinks its going to be an enlightened ego"

I spend quite a bit of time on Stephens videos--some down loaded from Pirate Bay.

So Stephen explains how Nisargadatta kept moving you from "station" to station--till he got you to see that even consciousness or even awareness is not it.
The golden rule, anything you can think of is not it, discard that.

Stephen talks about other gurus he had--his knowledge of various spiritual disciplines is great.

Anyway if you have loads of time the talks by Stephen can be found on Pirate bay but be warned it is 27.4G
The ones on you tube are probably enough.

Ch

[Akasha]

.....The golden rule, anything you can think of is not it, discard that.....

Sure, it's not it, rather an exoteric vehicle, but discard it? Why? Afterall, it's suitably aligned. A kind of non-duality guideline for the uninitiated, a recognition that I am you, we are that and thus I/you/we should act as such as it were.

Chris, can you share your thoughts or elaborate on what you've gleaned from Wolinsky? How do you define absolute truth?

[greybeard]

Hello Akasha--welcome here.
All I can give is opinion.
Ultimate Truth is beyond comprehension but what is important here and now is relative truth as that appears very real and as such has to be dealt with.
So be kind to all life including your own kind of sums it up from my current perspective.

Stephen covers quite a bit of territory, the discard it is only for those wanting to beyond present state to Self realization.
If you go back a few pages here you will find three videos by Stephen on Advaita --Vedanta, not to everyones taste.

Hope this is helpful.

Your own opinions thoughts if you care to give will be appreciated---this is not a one modality thread--far from it.
I never claim that my opinion is right--just best guess and current understanding

Chris

[Clear Light]

I have to say I have gotten as far as my intellect, language skills, understanding, can take me on this subject.

I enjoy this debate we have, it makes me think--perhaps that is not dangerous to the me--smiling.
As in--- Who exactly debating? To whom does this debate arise? What I is this?
and so on and so forth..
No end to perceived cleverness which keeps me --me.
Oh well.

Ch

Ah, yes, but isn't the whole point of "Inquiry", as I'm sure you know already, to kind of "Induce" or "Facilitate" the "falling away" of the illusory "self-identity" ?

Because when / if it happens (most unexpectedly I have to say) what remains is beyond any shadow of doubt as ALL questioning / grasping has ceased by itself as there is no longer any-one for whom "doubt about it" is now an issue if this makes any sense at all ?

What needs to happen, IMHO, is for a Recognition to occur of Mind's true "empty" nature and as unpalatable as this may seem for any "seeker" what I am implying is the Recognition of the "emptiness" of one's "self-identity" !!!

But it *does* happen, although it can't be "made to happen" as I have seen you mention many times in your Posts to this thread :heart:

[greybeard]

I have to say I have gotten as far as my intellect, language skills, understanding, can take me on this subject.

I enjoy this debate we have, it makes me think--perhaps that is not dangerous to the me--smiling.
As in--- Who exactly debating? To whom does this debate arise? What I is this?
and so on and so forth..
No end to perceived cleverness which keeps me --me.
Oh well.

Ch

Ah, yes, but isn't the whole point of "Inquiry", as I'm sure you know already, to kind of "Induce" or "Facilitate" the "falling away" of the illusory "self-identity" ?

Because when / if it happens (most unexpectedly I have to say) what remains is beyond any shadow of doubt as ALL questioning / grasping has ceased by itself as there is no longer any-one for whom "doubt about it" is now an issue if this makes any sense at all ?

What needs to happen, IMHO, is for a Recognition to occur of Mind's true "empty" nature and as unpalatable as this may seem for any "seeker" what I am implying is the Recognition of the "emptiness" of one's "self-identity" !!!

But it *does* happen, although it can't be "made to happen" as I have seen you mention many times in your Posts to this thread :heart:

Yes total agreement.
Its not unpalatable to this one.
The seeking has come to an end--no question left---enough is known.
There is a prayer asking for the removal of ignorance and gratitude for what is---its like either way is ok, Remain as is--or annihilation of the me.
Not my choice--you know what I mean, my friend.

Chris

[Akasha]

Hello Akasha--welcome here.
All I can give is opinion.
Ultimate Truth is beyond comprehension but what is important here and now is relative truth as that appears very real and as such has to be dealt with.
So be kind to all life including your own kind of sums it up from my current perspective.

Stephen covers quite a bit of territory, the discard it is only for those wanting to beyond present state to Self realization.
If you go back a few pages here you will find three videos by Stephen on Advaita --Vedanta, not to everyones taste.

Hope this is helpful.

Your own opinions thoughts if you care to give will be appreciated---this is not a one modality thread--far from it.
I never claim that my opinion is right--just best guess and current understanding

Chris

Thanks. Here's an excerpt I from an interaction he had with Baba Prakashananda which and aligns with what you just said.


When I first met Baba Prakashananda, I was sitting with him and I said to him, “I want liberation”.
He said “What’s liberation?”, and i gave the tradition answers, merging, oneness, enlightenment and each time it came out of my mouth, I realised it was absolute and total bull****, and he looked down at me said “you don’t want liberation because if you had liberation you won’t be there to appreciate it”, and this is why Nisargadatta Maharaj, when he referred to the absolute, he said “in the absolute state, I don’t even know that I am”. (@ 11.30 in the vid' below)

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[greybeard]

Hello Akasha--welcome here.
All I can give is opinion.
Ultimate Truth is beyond comprehension but what is important here and now is relative truth as that appears very real and as such has to be dealt with.
So be kind to all life including your own kind of sums it up from my current perspective.

Stephen covers quite a bit of territory, the discard it is only for those wanting to beyond present state to Self realization.
If you go back a few pages here you will find three videos by Stephen on Advaita --Vedanta, not to everyones taste.

Hope this is helpful.

Your own opinions thoughts if you care to give will be appreciated---this is not a one modality thread--far from it.
I never claim that my opinion is right--just best guess and current understanding

Chris

Thanks. Here's an excerpt I from an interaction he had with Baba Prakashananda which and aligns with what you just said.


When I first met Baba Prakashananda, I was sitting with him and I said to him, “I want liberation”.
He said “What’s liberation?”, and i gave the tradition answers, merging, oneness, enlightenment and each time it came out of my mouth, I realised it was absolute and total bull****, and he looked down at me said “you don’t want liberation because if you had liberation you won’t be there to appreciate it”, and this is why Nisargadatta Maharaj, when he referred to the absolute, he said “in the absolute state, I don’t even know that I am”. (@ 11.30 in the vid' below)

oNZ4zjeHZAg

Thanks for the this Akasha--yes takes a bit of believing but I do because Ive heard similar, hinted at, said by most of the enlightened sages I have had the pleasure of listening to on DVD

Chris

[WildOrchid]

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[The Freedom Train]

I have had a wild ride since my latest satori opening last monday. I do not understand the process really, but I would like to share my latest leanings.

I seem to be called to fully experience and acknowledge the pain and suffering that we humans experience as wage slaves in this society. As a painfully aware individual, I find the rat race difficult to swallow, although of course I will do what I have to do in order to survive, whether I feel "fulfilled" by my job or not. There is also a lot of pain and suffering around the fracturing of the family as both men and women are expected to leave the home and enter the corporate workforce, or to step in line amongst the millions of minimum wage dredges that didn't have the financial springboard, personal contacts, or left brained brilliance to perform the desired duties of the white collar. I feel I am bridging a gap between two worlds.

I feel so much pain here. It is really overwhelming. It leaves me feeling like a deer in the headlights.

I have realized that my salvation does not lie in running away from these feelings, but in facing them and allowing them. No more chinese handcuffs. This is a harsh reality here. It seems to me now that the thing is not to counter-ACT in ways that the self important ego deems morally right and superior (thus multiplying the many headed hydra) but to allow and be. I see somehow a glimmering of freedom found, not through "right action" - but by the simple act of allowing, dissolving densities (such as resistances and blockages) and imbuing more flowing energy into all that which it faces. This could also be considered a form of love.

If "god" is energy according to a 13 year old genius, then could it not be said that allowing energy is the first step in transforming it? To disallow or fight causes blockage and tensions - an energetic imbalance that leads to illness and dis-ease. I feel, rather: Supple. Fluid. Allowing. Feeling. Being.

[greybeard]

The Freedom Train --I think you have a good understanding of non action--just letting things take their course.
Its natural to have fluctuations as it settles into a different level of perception.
All is good.
I think the young lad has it right as far as his understanding goes and that far enough.
Another helpful way of looking at is Restricted consciousness is evolving to know it Self.
What you truly are is perfect, improvement not possible---you/we just dont know that yet.
Relax---smiling

Chris

[betoobig]

we all have to release control. As chris says , all is good. that is the perspective. We tend to judge everything, but you release control, no judgments arised and you let the flow go. not even control your breath, just be.
Much love

[RunningDeer]

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FYI: the video maker credits Omniverse (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?3906-Omniverse), an Avalon member, for the music used.

Renaissance Circle (http://coeo.cc/circle/1343/)

UPDATE: this is the 6000th post. Congratulations Chris and All on the information shared.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/clap_zpspp7oeh2v.GIF

UPDATE 2: WildOrchid, I dropped a message on Omniverse's board only to notice that you did the same.


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