Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Wind]

"In those moments when a mysterious stillness holds the heart of man, he has the chance to know that he is not limited to his little egoistic self."

"There is hope for all because there is Grace for all. No man is so sinful that he cannot find forgiveness, cleansing, and renewal." ~ PB

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[greybeard]

Jim Carey is Enlightened
read---and no surprise he is ridiculed.
https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/jim-carrey-explains-meant-bizarre-red-carpet-interview-sort-103130238.html

Part of what he said.
Jim Carrey spent time with Eckhart Tolle.

I’m not a part of it anymore. Dressing happens, doing hair happens, interviewing happens, but it happens without me, without the idea of a ‘me.’ You know what I’m saying? It’s a weird little semantic jump, and it’s not that far, but it’s a universe apart from where most people are.
“I’m not the continuum. There’s no me. It’s just what’s happening. It’s not personal.
“Things are happening, and they’re going to happen whether I attach myself as an ego to it or not. There’s grooves that are cut pretty deep from my entire life. There’s still an energy that wants to be admired and wants to be clever, and there’s still an energy that wants to free people from concern, and now it goes further.
“I want to relate what this is to people so they can also glimpse the abyss! It sounds scary, but it’s not. Everything still happens.”

[greybeard]

Mooji - 2nd Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview
Advaita Zen master Mooji is unlike anyone else you are likely to meet, for he compels one to question one’s very nature and existence. From the very first encounter, people from all walks of life are deeply touched by his indefinable presence, and perhaps for the very first time experience a natural sense of happiness and peace as they come to discover who or what they truly are.

Mooji (Anthony Paul Moo-Young) was born in Jamaica on January 29, 1954. As a teenager, he moved to London, UK, where he later worked as a street portrait artist and then as an art teacher in the local college. In 1987, an encounter with a Christian mystic inspired Mooji to ‘walk out of his life’—an expression he uses to convey the profundity of that meeting. In 1993, Mooji traveled to India, where seemingly by chance, he met his Master, Sri HWL Poonja, or Papaji, as he is affectionately known by his devotees. At Papaji’s feet, whatever still remained of an active ego was finally uprooted.

Recognizing Mooji’s radiance, people from various parts of the world soon began to approach him to simply sit in his presence and to ask questions regarding their search for Truth. The capacity to guide them arose spontaneously in him. While Mooji’s presence exudes compassion and devotion, his unity with Truth is also potently shared through self-inquiry—the unsparing light of wisdom which dispels the delusions and suffering common to human experiencing.

In his direct and open interactions, each one who meets Mooji with a genuine urge for freedom is pulled by his profound unconditional love and the power of his pointings into the recognition of the infinite Self we already are. Mooji presently resides at Monte Sahaja in Portugal and he continues to share Satsang worldwide with all who yearn to discover their true nature.

Website: mooji.org

Books:

Vaster Than Sky, Greater Than Space: What You Are Before You Became
White Fire: Spiritual Insights and Teachings of Advaita Zen Master Mooji
The Mala of God
Writing on Water
Before I Am, Second Edition
Breath Of The Absolute – Dialogues With Mooji

Discussion of this interview in the Batgap Community Group

Mooji’s 1st Batgap interview.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpQlgkAzJA0

[Helvetic]

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[Wind]

The mind is like an inner journalist
that attacks your self-image and then reports about it.
But all the time there is a higher seeing present
that is not caught in the bubble of this play.
It simply Is. It is pure non-dual awareness.
It has no conflict with anything.
It is what you truly are.
It is you. You are It.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

The ego imagines it has to give up everything,
but it is merely a drama queen.
In fact, it is the ego that has to be given up!
In the state of personhood, you imagine
you are giving up all your joy, freedom and fun
when you choose the Truth.
But fun, joy and freedom arise
from the true Self and not from the mind.
The common man's worldly pursuits
and enjoyment comes mainly
through the senses and mind
which are not the source of real joy,
but the sage's supreme joy
springs from his own effortless being
—free of attachment, imagination and fear
he lives in continuous peace, contentment and joy.
When you discover the Truth,
you do not give up anything—except delusion.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

Even if, at times, you feel you have done
the worst thing imaginable or that the whole world
is against you or rejects you,
even if you feel no one understands you,
loves you or accepts you,
do not entirely trust your mind.
Do not think it is on your side.
Know this: You never have to apologise
for your existence. You are not here by accident
but by the will and love
of the Supreme Lord of the universe.
You are not merely 'living' life;
you are Life itself and also the witness of life.
All challenges in life arise to motivate,
mature and direct your mind towards true wisdom.
Thus, by opening your heart to Truth,
they stimulate and inspire you to go beyond
the inhibited personal self and its projections,
misconceptions and false beliefs.
Ultimately challenges lead you, through Grace,
to discover your real nature and Self as Unborn Awareness.

~ Mooji

[GarethBKK]

Jim Carey is Enlightened
read---and no surprise he is ridiculed.


Hey Chris, Not everyone ridiculed him. Hope you enjoy this... :sun:

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[Wind]

You know you exist. This is so natural
not even your parents had to teach you that.
You instinctively know you are alive
and that you are perceiving somehow.
Not even deliberately, it is just happening.
And there is awareness of that functioning.
What more can you say?
The rest is entirely made up.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

If one recognises Truth as Truth,
from where does the power come
to discern the Real from the unreal?
And who or what is experiencing this discovery?
I am genuinely asking this. Contemplate.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

Just finished tidying a room---removing the clutter--no longer required.
Its amazing how empty it is--how still silent and peaceful to walk into.
This was always there--I just had to remove the accumulated "junk"
just a process of Neity neity---not this not this---discard, discard.
Only the "necessary" remains and there is dash little of that.
All I once considered important removed.
Never mind!!!

C

[Wind]

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[greybeard]

The prayer continues.
The late Dr David Hawkins--whom was a great influence on the early posts on this thread-- frequently quoted "Gloria in excels is deo"
( not the correct spelling) Glory to God in the highest.

The mind cant get "One without a second" and prayer--gratitude to God.
The books of Dr Hawkins are helpful.
He likened "energy" to the reading on a thermometer.
Extreem heat descending to no heat --all different degrees of heat but heat none the less.
So God in the highest is not different not separate just the highest expression of Love--without expressing as in human language--it just is.
So just a descending scale till there is an absence of love.

Hawkins developed a scale, a map of consciousness which attributed number to perceived levels of consciousness--for convenience sake, within this illusion.
The mystic sees life as it is without judgment.
There is love and respect for the mystics who share Truth.

Nothing is personal till we make it so is a very valid and helpful pointer.

Thought for today---now where did this come from--Lol
Ch

[Wind]

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[Wind]

As soon as you begin to sense
your unity with the real Self,
the psychological identity is going to rise up
for its biggest fight; a fight to protect its very survival.
It will not give up its illusory hold
on the beingness that easily.
It will use every trick to prevent you
from discovering your real nature.
But don’t be afraid.
You have the real power on your side
and it is important to remember this
when the mind attacks.
You can transcend its influence
by remaining as the formless and unmoving Seer.
This is righteousness, holiness and love.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

Sometimes God challenges you
to find strength you don’t have.
Only like this will you go beyond
your imagined limits.
You must be pushed so far
that you are forced to be humble.
Only then, when your pride
and arrogance are crushed,
will you discover muscles that are not yours.
You will find and use the muscles of God.
When you completely abandon yourself, your ego,
this miracle becomes possible.

~ Mooji

[Chester]

Hi Wind, I understand post #6516 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1183706&viewfull=1#post1183706). It points straight at the paradox. If asked, I will explain.

[Wind]

Everything is coming and going
just like clouds in the sky.
You cannot ask a cloud to stand still
or to hold its position in a certain way
while you attempt to paint it.
Every cloud is a movement.
Some are fast, some are slow,
but they are all a movement.
Is there not something which is unmoving?
What perceives That which cannot move?
What perceives That which cannot be seen?
What perceives That which cannot be known?
It cannot be known or grasped
as objective, phenomenal knowledge
and yet its reality cannot be refuted,
for the very attempt or act of refuting
will itself be perceived in It
—the one, immutable Being.

~ Mooji

[Foxie Loxie]

I think it was Greybeard who wrote, "we are at the movies & in the movies". Then Dr. RAM says, "We can change the movie!" Wish I had known that earlier in life! :bigsmile:

[greybeard]

I think it was Greybeard who wrote, "we are at the movies & in the movies". Then Dr. RAM says, "We can change the movie!" Wish I had known that earlier in life! :bigsmile:

This was taken from a quote attributed to Ramana Maharshi.
Im not convinced you can change your script in the movie --you can perhaps change how you play the part.

We make plans and God laughs---that has been my experience.

To be honest I dont know.

Much love C

[greybeard]

:idea:Enlightenment is the removal of ignorance.
Hence the suggested use of --not this not this (Neity Neity)
What is left is undivided consciousness
One without a second.

Ego is identification with the story of me.
I did this--I am this. This is what I am--all the labels
Fables you might say..
Yet you are This --all of it.
No subject no object---just consciousness in various disguises---condensed, restricted.
Formless consciousness has taken on form temporally.

The mystics have said that you are, form-formless both and neither--make what you will of That.

ch

[Wind]

Be true to Love, do not betray her.
Then, on the day that the forest of the mind
bursts into flames, you will not run.
You will remain silent and still;
for this is when Love bears her sweetest fruit
- untouched Presence.

~ Mooji

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[Wind]

Be aware of this persistent feeling
that there is something more to do
in order to attain the Self.
You have been brought to a stage
where you are encouraged to leave aside
all intentions, projections and fantasies,
and to simply keep quiet inside your being.
Mind is inclined to say this is not enough.
It is suggesting you take some action.
However, the master tells you to keep quiet
and to focus on the silence of your Heart
rather than the rush of the mind.
You are advised to avoid the sense
of waiting for something to happen.
There may arise a little tension
because of this advice to not go
with the movements of the mind.
Learn to bear your own silence
by observing the tensions encircling it.
Observe rather than react.
Again, keep quiet.
Stay only as awareness.

~ Mooji

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[Wind]

You are the peace in silence.
You are the silence in peace.
You are the light of consciousness revealing all.
You are the perceiving love, devoid of personal identity.
You are the wisdom and love
that shines from the source of existence.
You are Unborn Awareness Self.

~ Mooji

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[Zampano]

Hello everybody

Just wanted to add a very useful site called "Liberation Unleashed"

https://www.liberationunleashed.com/


Do you exist?

It is a strange question and it’s not something we normally ask. But what if the answer is no, there is no ‘you’.
There is no separate self in the way it’s thought to exist. Would you have the courage and curiosity to find out for yourself?

Liberation Unleashed is…

here to help you see through the illusion of a separate self;
a global internet-based community. Everyone is welcome to join;
an ever-growing movement of volunteer guides, here to Point you to no self.

All we do here is point. If you are a long-time seeker, or just curious about this, we invite you to investigate and explore what no self really is.
This service is available to everyone, for free. Join the forum and request a guide if and when you are ready to see this for yourself.
We use the Direct Pointing method, which consists of a dialogue between a guide and a seeker.

This is a process of looking at what IS; no prior knowledge or years of seeking are required.
The guide poses very specific questions in order to focus the attention on the experience of the present moment.
This triggers what we refer to as ‘crossing the Gateless Gate’: an instant in which the illusion of a separate self is seen through.
A shift in perception happens.

We guide because we are a community that openly and freely shares what we have been given by others that did the same for us.
We guide because we believe that questioning assumptions leads to freedom. You only need to bring your honesty and curiosity.
We ask nothing from you except your willingness to Look.


It helped me a great deal to go through the proccess...and it is for free. Of course, you can donate, because the guides do it all for free-like PROJECT AVALON.

[justntime2learn]

Words to LIVE by ...

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[Wind]

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[justntime2learn]

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Bless you for this Wind :heart:

Yes, He is one Mooji, that manifested another 1000 Mooji's, and so on ...

He is a catalyst of many effecting change one person at a time.

So much said in 5 minutes if you listen. I heard it :bigsmile:

" I am nothing " & " There's no 'me' " sounds like something Jim Carrey said ...

[Wind]

So much said in 5 minutes if you listen. I heard it :bigsmile:

Those who listen with their hearts will be able to truly understand.

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[greybeard]

Yogananda was asked if he got tired of Sat chit Anand--- (bliss)
He said "Its ever new"

I really appreciate Wind keeping the thread going.
There is nothing new to be said but the energy is ever new and as such assists collective consciousness.
Always rising --maturing -getting to realize itself.

Ch

[Foxie Loxie]

As there are always new members here, I would say it doesn't matter if things ARE repeated....we all need to hear things over & over!! :Music::Angel:

[greybeard]

The Pinnacle of Nondual Understanding: Rupert Spira

Science and Non-duality
Published on 2 Oct 2017

In a welcome return to the time-honored practice of teachers commenting on the sacred texts of the past, Rupert Spira weaves a masterful commentary between the lines of the little-known book Know Yourself by the 13th century Sufi Awhad al-din Balyani. With the clarity and insight we have come to expect from Rupert, he gives us a foretaste of his book The Nature of Consciousness, and reminds us that, as is true of the misunderstandings of other world religions, the popular mythology is far removed from the realization of the founder of Islam, whose teaching was always the oneness of being.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a78jhhXtXgI

[greybeard]

No More Fear - Sadhguru , Eckhart Tolle , Mooji ( Inspirational Video 2017

3 living prophets of our time, Great enlightened beings; Sadhguru, Eckhart Tolle, and Mooji shares their wisdom about fear. (A must watch!!)
Subscribe for more videos!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5KnNsbmdcw&t=179s

[justntime2learn]

[V. The Sphere: A Kind Of Dream]

"We can walk our road together
If our goals are all the same
We can run alone and free
If we pursue a different aim
Let the truth of love be lighted
Let the love of truth shine clear
Sensibility
Armed with sense and liberty
With the heart and mind united in a single
Perfect
Sphere"

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[Wind]

We keep God as 'other', and like this
we keep our 'I' as separate from Him.
But neither you, the Self, nor God are 'other'.
Better still, let all else be 'other' and you be nothing.
The awakened one says: I feel you in me as me
whenever I, as ego, am no more. Then ego is 'other'.
In fact, it cannot even be found.
Therefore, let your prayer be,
‘Let me effortlessly forget myself personally
and remember and be united in You alone, timelessly.’

~ Mooji

[Foxie Loxie]

Consciousness......that is all we ALL are....we must not allow there to be "divisions"! :sun:

[Wind]

The value of life will be determined
by the value you place upon yourself
which, in turn, depends on
what or who you believe you are.
Paradoxically, when you discover yourself
to be beyond name, form and conditioning,
life sparkles, from the inside,
like a celestial diamond.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

Don't be so fixated on the field of phenomena;
it is the realm of our dynamic expression,
but it is not our true abode.
Just as the tree is moving in the wind,
but the root is still—be in the root of Being.
Let your branches play in the wind of life.
That is okay, but at the root you must be strong,
otherwise you will be uprooted.
The Self cannot be uprooted.
Confirm your Self as one with the Truth.

~ Mooji

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[Wind]

Behind ‘the believer’ is a reality
that does not have to believe.
It just knows. It just Is.
It is that reality that is the divinity in you.
And it is that divinity
that I am always speaking to.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

Oprah’s SuperSoul Conversations Podcast - Eckhart Tolle: Free Yourself From Anxiety

Visionary thought leader and author of “A New Earth,” Eckhart Tolle explains his view of where we are in the state of the new Earth today. With a shift that has separated millions of Americans, Eckhart teaches us how to lift the pain that can show up f...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cFNX3aKUBo&t=122s


I tend to think of Eckhart as "User friendly" and thats a compliment.

In one talk I listened to he more or less said that there is only One consciouses (One without a second)--non-duality. He stated that there never was anyone out there to hurt you However he continued to say at another point in time "Thats not helpful"
So Eckhart is there for people in the early stages of awakening through to more advanced.
His talks on Pain body were really helpful to me--the Ah ha moments.
Same with ego.

For me the important thing is to realize when im starting to identify with an opinion or the story of me--self identification.
Where it is a little frustration is that the other does not get that any opinion voiced is not held to be a fact or even mine.
Why express it if you dont totally agree with the opinion?

No logical answer except that there is value in any interaction--its not about content but about context.

So basically I dont open my mouth as frequently as I used to.

We are fortunate in that there are many fine enlightened teachers out there---though they dont really teach --they point to what already exists within all.

Love C

[Michelle Marie]

Once total surrender is accomplished, you face your greatest fears head-on: all those buried fears that you did not have the capacity to face as a "child" (whether in age or in consciousness).

You live through them...and then you are FREE.

The Self replaces the sense of separate ego small self. Compassion and understanding expand. Then the soul bears the fruit of its shining diamond genius within, knowing God as doer, humbly in service to the all.

Let all souls be FREE!:flower:

The power in silence (Peace) is balanced with inspired expression (Joy).

Fascination with the ever expanding light and its myriad expressions is that ever new bliss.

Peace-Joy-Bliss to all,
MM

[greybeard]

Good to see you posting here Michelle.
Love Ch

[Michelle Marie]

Good to see you posting here Michelle.
Love Ch

You're quick. We are connected in real time here!

:heart: MM

[greybeard]

Good to see you posting here Michelle.
Love Ch

You're quick. We are connected in real time here!

:heart: MM

Yes I get an instant e mail when there is a post on the thread.
Love c

[Wind]

The wisdom in this thread has helped me in many ways.

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[Wind]

The minute you genuinely say Yes to Truth
inside your Heart, a subtle vibration is felt.
Don’t overlook it. If you are open,
it will guide you in subtle ways.
Day by day, you become increasingly aware of it.
Sometimes, it may just whisper. Why whisper?
You bend down to listen.
In the beginning you have to make an effort to listen,
because other voices are also talking inside your head.
You must engage your discerning power
to identify which is the true voice.
Basically, the less of ‘you’, the person,
there is in your life, the more Truth shows itself.
You begin to see things in such a light way.
However, the more one identifies with the ego self,
the more heavy life becomes.
There is a message in this: Relax. Trust.
Walk like this—observant. Move like this—empty.
Don’t wait for It to come.
Recognise: It is already here.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

As a child I went through a period of deep depression.
I lost my spleen through a sledging accident --got double pneumonia, nearly died--lost a lot of school time so was held back a year.

To make matters worse I am dyslexic--which was not recognized or diagnosed at that time.
The frustration of having an intellect but not being able to use it fully led to suicidal thoughts.
The first year doing science I was top of the class next year near the bottom--difference was second year many symbols in letters --equations.
I could not visualize to remember letter/symbols---it all got jumbled up.
I could not catch a thrown ball---lack of coordination can be part of being dyslexic.
(Much later I persevered and could play tennis reasonably well)

So I confided to mt Dad my frustration--my despair.

He said

"Reflect not upon your past misfortune of which you have had some, rather count your current blessings of which there are many"

So that was a bench mark --a crossroads--a turning point.

No matter your beginning there is always an opportunity to benefit from hardship.

With love
C

[Michelle Marie]

The minute you genuinely say Yes to Truth
inside your Heart, a subtle vibration is felt.
Don’t overlook it. If you are open,
it will guide you in subtle ways.
Day by day, you become increasingly aware of it.
Sometimes, it may just whisper. Why whisper?
You bend down to listen.
In the beginning you have to make an effort to listen,
because other voices are also talking inside your head.
You must engage your discerning power
to identify which is the true voice.
Basically, the less of ‘you’, the person,
there is in your life, the more Truth shows itself.
You begin to see things in such a light way.
However, the more one identifies with the ego self,
the more heavy life becomes.
There is a message in this: Relax. Trust.
Walk like this—observant. Move like this—empty.
Don’t wait for It to come.
Recognise: It is already here.

~ Mooji

Yes! Yes! Yes!

As we listen to the voice of truth, we follow our ever-developing conscience as we "walk in the light" and we become identified with that light of truth. I AM the light, I AM the truth, I AM the life...

You are a special gem, Mooji!

Thank you,
MM :star::heart::star:

[Michelle Marie]

As a child I went through a period of deep depression.
I lost my spleen through a sledging accident --got double pneumonia, nearly died--lost a lot of school time so was held back a year.

To make matters worse I am dyslexic--which was not recognized or diagnosed at that time.
The frustration of having an intellect but not being able to use it fully led to suicidal thoughts.
The first year doing science I was top of the class next year near the bottom--difference was second year many symbols in letters --equations.
I could not visualize to remember letter/symbols---it all got jumbled up.
I could not catch a thrown ball---lack of coordination can be part of being dyslexic.
(Much later I persevered and could play tennis reasonably well)

So I confided to mt Dad my frustration--my despair.

He said

"Reflect not upon your past misfortune of which you have had some, rather count your current blessings of which there are many"

So that was a bench mark --a crossroads--a turning point.

No matter your beginning there is always an opportunity to benefit from hardship.

With love
C

What we overcome gives us the wisdom and the strength to help others; to have compassion.

Wise words...gratitude and focus on the blessings.

Lots of love,
Mm :heart:

[Wind]

Often I hear people say,
'I am really fed up with the ego,'
so there clearly seems to be a 'someone'
who is fed up with the ego
and who is being quite dramatic about it.
However, it must be pointed out
that the real Self has no likes, dislikes, issues or dramas.
So the frustrated one who wants to kill the ego
must be more closely looked at,
rather than just believed unquestioningly.
Is this one's voice trustworthy?
Can it be actually identified?
Please try.
And, next thing: who or what is aware of all this?
Isn't it your Self?
Is this Self the same as the one who is fed up of ego?
Contemplate.

~ Mooji

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[Flash]

As a child I went through a period of deep depression.
I lost my spleen through a sledging accident --got double pneumonia, nearly died--lost a lot of school time so was held back a year.

To make matters worse I am dyslexic--which was not recognized or diagnosed at that time.
The frustration of having an intellect but not being able to use it fully led to suicidal thoughts.
The first year doing science I was top of the class next year near the bottom--difference was second year many symbols in letters --equations.
I could not visualize to remember letter/symbols---it all got jumbled up.
I could not catch a thrown ball---lack of coordination can be part of being dyslexic.
(Much later I persevered and could play tennis reasonably well)

So I confided to mt Dad my frustration--my despair.

He said

"Reflect not upon your past misfortune of which you have had some, rather count your current blessings of which there are many"

So that was a bench mark --a crossroads--a turning point.

No matter your beginning there is always an opportunity to benefit from hardship.

With love
C

Makes me think of the time when my daughter was diagnosed with severe partial aphasia, gross motor skills impairment and fine motor skills difficutlies as well. I was told that there were little chance she would ever finish primary school. She was promised a quite difficult life ( when she was 10 the pediatrician even told me to get her the vaccine for venereal disease because those disabled little girls often get raped, can you imagine!).

I was also divorcing when she got diagnosed at 41/2 years old, and had no jobs nor revenues, all at the same time period. I was outside myself literally, feeling A++ victim and a very heavy heart for my daughter.

I went to see an md, general practitioner, to ask for help and also relieve to be able to sleep, telling him of MY misfortune about my daughter and he answered: "she can talk a bit?" yes I answered "She can walk?" I answered yes "wow, you are sooooo lucky" - that is when I understood that with this misery I could do miracle, i WAS LUCKY because the solutions were within the problem (she was not beridden of mute). I had knowledge, intelligence, imagination, creativity and love. She had love, will, intelligence.

So a 12 year recuperation whole therapy program started (I elaborated it), day after day, months after months, years after years, often mixing work through play. It ended with a very special grown up adult, extremely steady and hard working young woman, whose disabilities have become difficult to detect. She may not be able to go to university (but who knows?) but she is finishing college, has a wonderful boyfriend, and will have a regular normal life (well, apparently regular because with what she went through, nothing is regular nor her mental make up).

So.... we are both blessed.

Had I listen to my victim and ego complaining instead to that general practitioner md, my daughter and I would not have achieved what we did. One has to get out of oneself (ego) in order to go further.

And I bet anything that if I were more advanced spiritually, letting go of ego, healing would have come yet more easily, like miraculously.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thank you for sharing this amazing story, Flash! I never cease to be amazed at the stories each of us have lived through! And, here we all end up on Avalon! :heart:
A good place for positive vibrations!

[Michelle Marie]

Thank you for sharing this amazing story, Flash! I never cease to be amazed at the stories each of us have lived through! And, here we all end up on Avalon! :heart:
A good place for positive vibrations!

So true, Foxie Loxie! :clapping:

Very inspiring, Flash. :highfive:Good job, Mom!!!:heart:

[Wind]

If you could look behind the thin veil
of what you call a ‘person’,
if you could truly look into the heart
of any or everyone,
you could not fail to love them.
Only our false projections from the mind
try to justify why it is not wise
to love a stranger, why it is risky.
The ego-mind says others
don’t deserve to be loved.
While hatred and suspicion divides,
Love brings all things together
in harmony and joy.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

That which watches your life unfolding,
that is aware of the changeful,
restless nature of the mind,
that is aware of any feelings of pride or insecurity,
or any of these things that come up with the sense
of the person we take ourselves to be,
all that is observed within the same body
—all this is seen.

A looking takes place in which even
the sense of yourself as a person is seen.
Your changing moods are perceived.
Wishful thinking is perceived.
The functioning of the intellect is perceived.
That which is perceiving all these movements,
is that itself moving?
Can that perceiver itself be perceived?

~ Mooji

[suzzycowgirl]

I'm reading a book by Victor Frankl who's ideas came from intense suffering in a concentration camp. He doesn't seem to need anyone to believe his words because they are just his attempt to explain how his consciousness was on a high enough level to overcome the horrid circumstances that he had to deal with. And so at some point in my life I decided to put my spiritual ideas to the test and prove to myself, if not anyone else, that we are indeed spiritual beings. I wrote down some of these experiences and here they are; https://cowgirlsue.wordpress.com/2015/08/07/autobiography-of-my-spiritual-life-2/

[greybeard]

I'm reading a book by Victor Frankl who's ideas came from intense suffering in a concentration camp. He doesn't seem to need anyone to believe his words because they are just his attempt to explain how his consciousness was on a high enough level to overcome the horrid circumstances that he had to deal with. And so at some point in my life I decided to put my spiritual ideas to the test and prove to myself, if not anyone else, that we are indeed spiritual beings. I wrote down some of these experiences and here they are; https://cowgirlsue.wordpress.com/2015/08/07/autobiography-of-my-spiritual-life-2/

Thanks for sharing this and the rest.

"The world did its’ best to make me believe in it’s illusions but I never lost sight of the truth. Finally after finding out that I could not be bought or scared into submission, the world decided to erase me. But by this time the seed of God had become my main reason for being and I fought a long hard battle to protect it. Alas I was overwhelmed by superior odds and was trampled to death.
But lo and behold I found out there is no death. And when I looked inside my being to the place where the seed of God was planted, in its stead was a magnificent, radiant tree. The minions of the world attacked the tree with their machines and weapons only to find out their weapons were useless and their machines broke down. So at the end of the siege the little egos of the world took their broken toys and left.
It was then I realized I was not the trampled ego lying in the dirt but the magnificent, radiant tree with roots sunk deep in Mother Earth for sustenance. I no longer needed the world but now the world needed me."
Love chris

[Flash]

I truly enjoyed your writing cowgirl. Lots of wisdom at the exact appropriate time for me. Thanks
For other members, her whole text is a gem, please read.


I'm reading a book by Victor Frankl who's ideas came from intense suffering in a concentration camp. He doesn't seem to need anyone to believe his words because they are just his attempt to explain how his consciousness was on a high enough level to overcome the horrid circumstances that he had to deal with. And so at some point in my life I decided to put my spiritual ideas to the test and prove to myself, if not anyone else, that we are indeed spiritual beings. I wrote down some of these experiences and here they are; https://cowgirlsue.wordpress.com/2015/08/07/autobiography-of-my-spiritual-life-2/

[suzzycowgirl]

I truly enjoyed your writing cowgirl. Lots of wisdom at the exact appropriate time for me. Thanks
For other members, her whole text is a gem, please read.


I'm reading a book by Victor Frankl who's ideas came from intense suffering in a concentration camp. He doesn't seem to need anyone to believe his words because they are just his attempt to explain how his consciousness was on a high enough level to overcome the horrid circumstances that he had to deal with. And so at some point in my life I decided to put my spiritual ideas to the test and prove to myself, if not anyone else, that we are indeed spiritual beings. I wrote down some of these experiences and here they are; https://cowgirlsue.wordpress.com/2015/08/07/autobiography-of-my-spiritual-life-2/

I'm glad this writing was a help for you. I didn't write it so much for entertainment as much as for food for the soul.

[suzzycowgirl]

You have made a great discovery, I'm very happy for you.

[greybeard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEtoaufYDbM

[Wind]

Why does complete discovery
of the Self take so long?
Perhaps because of arrogance.
Arrogance can emerge in such subtle ways,
maybe like, ‘I have finally done it!'
'Now that I am free, I can do pretty much
whatever I want. Nothing can touch me.’
'I just want to save everyone in the world.'
'Lord, thank you for making me so humble.’
In innumerable ways he can come.
And this arrogance is a poison.
It was said in the biblical scriptures
that Satan himself was of the heavenly kingdom
and was driven out because of his arrogance.
Arrogance brings in separation from the Oneness.
Yet we must never think that we are free of arrogance.
This is one of the ways to start transcending him.
In fact, freedom means to be free of arrogance.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

How rare it is in the human kingdom
that beings are aware of that silence,
that space that is unmoving, that does not age,
it does not grow, it doesn’t expand or contract,
and yet everything that moves, that appears or disappears,
take their birth from Here.
Your calling is to discover this consciously, powerfully.
Only then will you be able to face the storms
that come from the body-mind identity,
and the psychological noise that comes from personhood.
You will see through all of these things.
They will not overwhelm you anymore.
I want to remind you that it is possible
to be free of such states.
It is not difficult to awaken to the True.
What seems difficult is to overcome the reflex
to go back into the old regime of identity
—that will happen for a time.
The tendency to want to protect our projections and attachments will in fact create this feeling of separation
and will slow you down.
But don’t despair!
All of this is going somewhere very beautiful.
And where is that? To You. Right Here.
Sitting inside the heart of your own Being.
The drive, the natural evolution of conscious beings,
is to return to the Source.
Not out-out-out, but in-in-in…
there is no other place for you to be proven than Here.

~ Mooji

https://preceptaustin.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/hope-mountain-scene.jpg

[suzzycowgirl]

How rare it is in the human kingdom
that beings are aware of that silence,
that space that is unmoving, that does not age,
it does not grow, it doesn’t expand or contract,
and yet everything that moves, that appears or disappears,
take their birth from Here.
Your calling is to discover this consciously, powerfully.
Only then will you be able to face the storms
that come from the body-mind identity,
and the psychological noise that comes from personhood.
You will see through all of these things.
They will not overwhelm you anymore.
I want to remind you that it is possible
to be free of such states.
It is not difficult to awaken to the True.
What seems difficult is to overcome the reflex
to go back into the old regime of identity
—that will happen for a time.
The tendency to want to protect our projections and attachments will in fact create this feeling of separation
and will slow you down.
But don’t despair!
All of this is going somewhere very beautiful.
And where is that? To You. Right Here.
Sitting inside the heart of your own Being.
The drive, the natural evolution of conscious beings,
is to return to the Source.
Not out-out-out, but in-in-in…
there is no other place for you to be proven than Here.

~ Mooji

https://preceptaustin.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/hope-mountain-scene.jpg

This is beautifully written with a deep perception of reality. It's always nice to read the truth.

[greybeard]

Adyashanti - Feel Your own Presence (Eye Opening Talk)

This place (Thread) is dedicated to Truth--Keep bringing it on
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmA-JOtxE4

[Guish]

Good to see this thread still strong.

[greybeard]

Good to see you Guish
Much love Ch

[greybeard]

Alan Watts Proves, You Don't Exist (A MUST LISTEN)

Please listen to this talk until the end because Alan Watts proves you that you don't exist, and shows you having a feeling of existing is just a hallucination. This channel tries to bring the best and most profound talks done by our intellects and best spiritual teachers. If you enjoyed this video, make sure to SUBSCRIBE to our channel for new daily videos :) Alan Wilson Watts (6 January 1915 – 16 November 1973) was a British philosopher, writer, and speaker, best known as an interpreter and populariser of Eastern philosophy for a Western audience. Born in Chislehursjt, England, he moved to the United States in 1938 and began Zen training in New York.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNKOUhx-7qk&t=107s

[Wind]

The Reality of the Illusory World

by Rupert Spira

Well over a hundred years ago the painter Paul Cézanne said, “A time is coming when a carrot, freshly observed, will trigger a revolution.” Cézanne meant that if we could see even a simple everyday object such as a carrot, as it truly is, our experience would be revolutionized. But what does it mean to see an object as it truly is? The key is in the phrase ‘freshly observed,’ which means to see clearly, unobstructed by the concepts that thought superimposes on our experience. In fact, most of us are completely unaware that our experience is filtered through a fine mesh of conceptual thinking that makes it appear very different from how it actually is.

As the Chinese sage Huang Po said, some 1200 years ago, “People neglect the reality of the illusory world.” The illusory world? Now that’s even more radical than Cezanne! It’s one thing to look freshly at a carrot, spade, house or world, but quite another to consider it an illusion. What did he mean?

We often hear phrases in the non-dual teaching such as, ‘The world is an illusion.’ But such phrases may create a rebellion in us, for we know that our experience is very real. So how to reconcile these two positions – one, ‘the illusory world’ and two, the undeniable reality of our experience?

Anything that appears must appear in or on something. For instance, an image appears on a screen; a chair appears in the space of a room; the words of a novel appear on a page; a cloud appears in the sky. What about the mind, body and world? Our only experience of them is what currently appears to us as thoughts, images, feelings, sensations, sights, sounds, textures, tastes and smells. In other words, all we know of a mind, body or world are appearances, and all these are continually appearing and disappearing. We may have a concept of a continuously existing mind, body or world, but we never actually experience such an object.

All experience arises within our self, this transparent emptiness. And the only ‘stuff’ present in our self, out of which all experience can be made, is our self itself. It is our direct, intimate experience that all we know of a mind, body or world is made out of and is identical to the transparency of our own Being.

Just as the screen on which an image appears is usually overlooked due to our exclusive focus on the image itself, so this open, empty, transparent presence of our own Being is usually overlooked due to our exclusive focus on the objects of the mind, body and world – that is, on thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions. However, just as it is not possible to see an image without seeing the screen so, although this Presence is usually overlooked, it is never truly unknown.

Love is the common name we give to experience when the ‘other’ is no longer experienced as ‘other;’ when the subject/object relationship collapses. It is to see the appearance of an image but to know it only as screen. It is to attribute the reality of the image to the screen. It is to know everyone and everything as one’s own self.

[suzzycowgirl]

Hey Wind, This is interesting to me for a couple of reasons. I do believe that if a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, then it doesn't make a noise. I never worked this idea out intellectually but it's great to see someone has, lol. Also I believe that love is the only reality and all else is illusion, so this post brings me closer to understanding this concept, intellectually.
But most importantly, if the world is a blank screen and your mind is the projector then you can project any kind of illusion you want on it or in it. I know this from experience.

[Wind]

Well said, Suzzy. :)

[greybeard]

Form and formless both and neither.
Self is beyond description---not a concept---cant be defined--labeled.
I tend to come back to Tim's thread for some of the best pointing that I have read.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

Much love Chris

[greybeard]

The Prevailing Silence

Dr. David R. Hawkins


God is Beyond Form

God is self-revealing and beyond all form, yet present and innate within all form. God is silence, still, serene, peaceful, unmoving, all-inclusive, everywhere present, all-knowing by virtue of being All That Is. God is total, complete, quiescent, loving, beyond time and space, without parts or partitions, nondualistic, and equally present in All That Is, not different from the Self. Only existence is possible. Despite translation errors, and misunderstanding, God is not nothingness or void. Nonexistence is not a possibility.

The Presence is beyond all thought, mentation, or even observation. The awareness is Self-awareness that stems from the knowingness of actually being All That Is; therefore, there is nothing to know 'about'. In the state of Oneness, the objective and subjective disappear into each other.

The Eye of the I, ch.10, pg. 210, 211

[Foxie Loxie]

I'll be truthful, greybeard....After all my journey, I dislike using the word, "God", because in Western Civ. that is equated with the "god" of the Old Testament. Perhaps the One True Source, The All, The Entirety of Consciousness of which we are a part???? Who knows! For me, there are too many negative connections to the word "God". Each person has their own "idea" about what that word means....

What I DO know is that I AM! That in itself was a great discovery! Appreciate all your postings here! :clapping:

[Helene West]

God is the only "I".

[greybeard]

I'll be truthful, greybeard....After all my journey, I dislike using the word, "God", because in Western Civ. that is equated with the "god" of the Old Testament. Perhaps the One True Source, The All, The Entirety of Consciousness of which we are a part???? Who knows! For me, there are too many negative connections to the word "God". Each person has their own "idea" about what that word means....

What I DO know is that I AM! That in itself was a great discovery! Appreciate all your postings here! :clapping:

Yes I agree regarding the misunderstanding of the word God.
That is God and you are That-- there is only "this"
I like the word "The Ultimate" --makes no difference really --Only One without a second.
So many ways to say the same thing.

Much love Chris

[Guish]

Nice discussion here. It is all a big game. Live it with a smile and don't take things too seriously.

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I like this.

[Foxie Loxie]

We each have lived through our unique circumstances & so we come at things from varied vantage points! Thankful for Avalon! :dance:

[greybeard]

We may form a circle but we are all looking at the center.
Or spokes of the wheel looking at the hub.

Round and round I go---(wheel of Karma) till I realize im going no where.

Much love Chris

[justntime2learn]

Why does complete discovery
of the Self take so long?
Perhaps because of arrogance.
Arrogance can emerge in such subtle ways,
maybe like, ‘I have finally done it!'
'Now that I am free, I can do pretty much
whatever I want. Nothing can touch me.’
'I just want to save everyone in the world.'
'Lord, thank you for making me so humble.’
In innumerable ways he can come.
And this arrogance is a poison.
It was said in the biblical scriptures
that Satan himself was of the heavenly kingdom
and was driven out because of his arrogance.
Arrogance brings in separation from the Oneness.
Yet we must never think that we are free of arrogance.
This is one of the ways to start transcending him.
In fact, freedom means to be free of arrogance.

~ Mooji

I mean this With all sincerity.

Is arrogance affected by ego or is it the other way around?

[greybeard]

Why does complete discovery
of the Self take so long?
Perhaps because of arrogance.
Arrogance can emerge in such subtle ways,
maybe like, ‘I have finally done it!'
'Now that I am free, I can do pretty much
whatever I want. Nothing can touch me.’
'I just want to save everyone in the world.'
'Lord, thank you for making me so humble.’
In innumerable ways he can come.
And this arrogance is a poison.
It was said in the biblical scriptures
that Satan himself was of the heavenly kingdom
and was driven out because of his arrogance.
Arrogance brings in separation from the Oneness.
Yet we must never think that we are free of arrogance.
This is one of the ways to start transcending him.
In fact, freedom means to be free of arrogance.

~ Mooji

I mean this With all sincerity.

Is arrogance affected by ego or is it the other way around?

Hi Just in time 2 learn.
Basically the ego is a separation device--- A Course in miracles says---specialness is the last resort of the ego.
So arrogance --says Im superior---this is an ego statement.
Hope this helps
Chris

[Flash]

To poster on this thread, Freeurmind and I started to comment on each other in another thread, but the topic was not pertinent to that thread.

If you do not mind (if you do please tell us), we could pursue the back and forth here, since I think this discussion could lead to the topic of enlightenment.



Quote Posted by FreeURmind (here)
I would agree. 🤗 I like the part where it says they must never know we are One. I didn't understand that when I read it years ago. Reading it again, it all makes sense. Ty for taking the time to read it. 😊

Comment from Flash:

Not only are we starting to know that we are one, but they-the dark ones - have severed their link to their soul and higher selves. This is why they have to heavily rely on magic.

We, the one, have not cut that link to higher self. Although contact with it may be ardeous to reach, it is feasible and once done, no expenditure of energy is necessary, on the contrary, we have the universe on our steps.

On the long run, (how long i do not know), we win

We however should not forget to look inside because there is darkness to expose to light in every one of us. This is what may make stumble slong the path

Answer and question from Freeyurmind:

I had not heard of them severing their link. Would you mind explainin that more? I had found through gnostic and other knowledge that they are parasites, a cosmo effect of Sophia.

I am very interested to hear your take.

P.S I love your avatars. 🌻
Thank you.

Answer from Flash:

thanks, I like my avatar too, but it is pretty much the time to change it somehow, since I am getting to be at a different inner place. Anyhow... Are you French or English Canadian? I am French from Montreal.

To continue on the previous comments, here is my take on the spiritual development of the cabal and of the rest of us. These views stem from many years of personal experiences (on a down to earth basis as well as on a spiritual one), and on a deep research within as well.

Here on Avalon, a few years ago, there was a mystic from a mystery school that pushed me to study further about Blavatsky, the Masters, and some other esoteric approaches etc. and the way we learn about spiritual development.

I started to read a bit about the gnostic also, since this is related to mystery schools (the real ones, not the cabal ones), from what I learned.

At the same time, I was in contact with someone else on this forum again, that was from the cabal hierarchy (in fact, 2 people), so they both said.

And I was in a dire situation with my child at the same time.

Both, the mystic and the cabal person tried to help me with my child. Therefore I could observe with magnifying glasses (due to proximity and to the situation) the similarities and differences.

In other words, this was a crash course that life brought on me.

Furthermore, I have been progressively slowly studying mysticism, then meditation, then esotericism and mystery schools for years and years and years (I am not that good at meditation still, despite those years - to understand later that some incarnation come with a profile of personnality that favours or not the abilities of meditating - I have a profile that does not, but it does favor spreading knowledge through commerce for example).

At the time, a few years back, I realised that the spiritual development was parallel with the magic development of the cabal, with very subtle differences at the starting point. So, up to a certain level of learning, the paths were almost identical. Learning to travel in the astral, to control the astral, to go higher in the lighter astral, to end up with the mental development (illusion phase). Both side go through these phases, with subtle differences.

Then comes a point where, on the higher astral and mental levels, one has to chose between obeying the matter based ego in order to get power on the astral and 3D levels, or chose to obey higher levels above the mental, with love and wisdom, not needing to have any power as such. This is the time where we built the bridge with our higher self. if we chose to remain in the ego for power, this bridge is never built and in fact fades away with less and less access with time.

However, some of the cabal will brake the bridge wilfully. They will make sure they can never cross again. They go that by killing the heart chakra, the heart where our primordial divine essence is located in our physical body. We usually say of these people "they have no heart whatsoever", and the truth, they don't have a heart. In some rituals they will specifically target the heart to kill it.

When you do that from generation to generation, then are born people without heart, it is genetically integrated, the absence of heart and therefore the absence of love. This does not mean they will necessarily do bad, but they will not be able to truly understand humans with heart and will have not much emotions except for thrill emotions. Quite psychopatic. And they will not be able to cross to the higher self anymore.

It is the absence of love that is their trademark, and absence of love is extremely painluf to humans. More than hatred.

Now, they are parasite because by cutting the link to higher self, which usually allows universal energies to naturally fill the human being, well, they do not have access to that pool of creative love/wisdom that we all have. Therefore, they have to become parasites on us (we are fed natural energies) in order to sustain their energie level sufficiently high, otherwise they will plummet to the bottom of the pool of human beings. So they designed all kinds of ways to make sure they maintain their power on us and have a continuous source of energies to fill them up (our loosh).

This goes for human cabal, reptilians, some greys, name it. It also tells us that they are extremely scared (albeit they do not feel it in themselves, having no emotions) of losing our loosh, if we grow to a point where we are sufficiently high that they cannot attain us anymore (when we are in the higher self). They then starve.

Now, it goes much further, like "all this is a dream" motto.

I hope this answers your request Freeyurmind.

[greybeard]

Flash I am very happy for you and FreeURmind to continue to post here.
The posts probably come under related matters
Chris

[FreeURmind]

I tried many times to show new information.

Have you seen any?
Out side of the box

[Flash]

Freeyurmind, to me you seem to answer to the question "what", what happens, and me to the question "why", why is it happening. Same topic, similar results, from two completely different angles.

Also, you answer, from my viewppoint, to the question with an external response - this is external to us, we are the victim, they separated us from our mother earth - kind of. While I answer from the inner training and decision making of each one of us, our own responsibilities, no victims here,

It does not matter what they want us to do, what matters is what we do - we do here means what we think, feel, do, which creates everything - . It all starts and ends with us. As long as we are not aware of this, we are universe's toddlers and create distorted thing, being influenced by the block bullies. Growing up and taking responsibilities is realising that we are in charge of ourselves, and if we do not give in to block bullies, the bullies are left with nothing to destroy. No energy left to them. All this in love and wisdom.

Now, if you come back to my previous post, it goes even much further. The bullies are within every one of us, and when we spiritually evolve, come a point where we have to chose, materiality power and destruction by inflating what holds us here, the ego, or continuous evolution by accepting our own bullies inside and letting go of the ego through inner forgiveness, wisdom and love. Usually we do not do the second, continuous evolution, because of fear, induced fear by oneself or others does not matter, it is fear. The ego fears death, which won't happen but that is what it fears.

So, some people will chose materiality, 3D power, ego, destruction (fear leads to destruction), and cut themselve from their higher potential, their higher self. By doing so, they will also cut all emotions, otherwise hey would feel their incredible fear.

With magic to cut the emotion and the love in themselves, and generations of inbreeding amongst themselves, they end up with no heart. It becomes impossible for them to love - believe me, some people have no cue about love, they do not feel the need for it, they have no cue how it exist. This impossibilite has entirely cut the link with their higher self.

Now, universal energies are from love and wisdom. This means they do not have access to these energies anymore yet, they want to become eternal beings. To do so, they will have to count on the energies of those who can still collect it from the universal. Namely us.

But we are all one, they are part of us as well. Cutting them off is like cutting one gangrened arm from us. Therefore, we are doing everything we can to redress the situation and cure the arm. It may become impossible in which case surgery will be needed.

The eternal US (collective higher selves including earth herself, universal side of US) may have chosen the small 3D human , so frail yet so powerful with wisdom and love when he accepts it, to redress the situation and save the arm. Therefore the importance of our planet and its inhabitants.

Yet this is all a game, we will shake hands at the end.


is the extent of my French- AB)

I couldn't understand more what you have stated. I first want to Thank You for replying. I will share my own thoughts with you.

My studies have shown me a war on Organic vs Inorganic.

Indigenious people's of Earth didn't need this system we have now; banks, government, school, health etc. They lived in harmony with Mother Earth they understand that she brings forth life and provides humanity with all it needs. They have a great respect for HER and HER creation.

When these parasites came in, those were the first peoples to be attacked and their culture ripped from them. When they were defeated this system was implemented heavily.

They can't do what we can do. They need technology. My train of thought is they can't create and have metaphysical abilities like us. So they use technology. An inorganic form of natural abilities.

I have also come to the conclusion that Ego is humanity's achilles heal and imagination is our freedom. We are in a dream. HER dream.
She gave us imagination. It's where we find her and the rest.

One other thing. I believe they are trying to become HER. To become the new SHE. To take over, to create their form of inorganic creation. Transhumanism, nanotechnology etc.

We are being pushed out of our Organic way of being and being pushed into the inorganic reality they need us to create and agree too.

They want us to relinquish our sovereignty.

Look forward to reading your response. I can't find people to have these discussions.

Thank you.

[Foxie Loxie]

Enjoying the sharing here! The one BIG awakening moment for me was when I realized that each of us is already an Eternal Being; that fact purposely hidden from us by The Controllers! There IS no death! That was like a Big WOW! :idea::clapping: Each of us is at a different point in our Journey. I am SO thankful for those who have helped me along here on Avalon!! :bearhug:

[greybeard]

Enjoying the sharing here! The one BIG awakening moment for me was when I realized that each of us is already an Eternal Being; that fact purposely hidden from us by The Controllers! There IS no death! That was like a Big WOW! :idea::clapping: Each of us is at a different point in our Journey. I am SO thankful for those who have helped me along here on Avalon!! :bearhug:

Foxie without doubt you have helped many--your attitude is up lifting.
We are fortunate, only a small % even get to realize there is no death.
Knowing that we are not the body takes away a lot of fear.

Nasargadatta was a big influence for me---his question--find out where you were before you inhabited the body ie before birth.
He followed that up by saying--- you are the unborn--no birth, no death--these really made me think---What am I?

Much Love Chris

[Wind]

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[Valerie Villars]

I believe it was Mooji who helped me gain a sense of humor about all of this. There was a video, sent by my cousin, of a satsang (I believe that's what it is called) where this fellow had been standing in the ocean and realized the eternalness and oneness of his being and became overcome with the beauty of it.

Of course, society swooped in and had him locked up in a mental institution twice. He was understandably confused and upset by this and asked Mooji about it. The fellow was from California.

Mooji looked at him and said "If you had been in India, it would have been no problem."

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"When a true genius appears on the scene, he will be known by this. All of the dunces will be in a confederacy against him." Jonathon Swift

[Wind]

Mooji has helped me greatly too, but in my case the humorous philosophy of Alan Watts has made me not to take life so seriously whereas before I took everything so seriously. Many people see life as a competition, but it really isn't so. It's just a cosmic play, all of it.

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[Valerie Villars]

Wind, I really only saw part of that one video, and watched it out of respect for my cousin and her path. I'll take a look at the video you posted.

It's amazing how much garbage we are fed. I bought into so much of it for so long and even when shown things like God has a sense of humor or angels aren't all holy with wings, etc. I had a hard time fitting it in with my paradigm of garbage fed b.s.

Ah, there's nothing like a good old Catholic upbringing to muddy the waters of truth.

[greybeard]

Adyashanti - The Return to The Absolute (Great Talk)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH6N_bNFapE&feature=em-subs_digest

[Foxie Loxie]

Villival....or a good old Baptist upbringing!! :doh: It's all the same thing! Avalon is where I got my answers! Thanks Bill! :llama:

[Wind]

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[Valerie Villars]

Foxie, I suspect you, like I, thought there was something wrong with what we had been fed, but I know I still had a hard time letting go of some things.

Wind, I love George Harrison.

[Wind]

https://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/who_am_I.pdf

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Wind. There was an Indian man at the store around the corner, who was tickled pink when I learned to say his full name, having written it down phonetically and practicing one evening.

His name was Sai Rama Krishna Poochakayala (phonetic). He told me after I learned it that saying it out loud was a spiritual thing. I can't remember how he put it.

But, whenever I see Indian names, it makes me wonder.

[Wind]

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[Wind]

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[Flash]

Taken from Star Tsar thread - thanks Tsar Tsar - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=1194667&viewfull=1#post1194667

At 28:20 about, Daniel Lizt talks about the tree of life, which has been presented as animal, human, mineral in terms of evolutionary progression (while usually it would be mineral, vegetal, human, supra human in traditional esotericism).

His invitees responses are: this mineral in the tree of life actually presented would be technology and the transhumanism, linking human biology to silicon based technology (ex dowloading your brain into a computer), in order to make the human more resistant - they do not like the human body she says. The other invitee says that technology is neutral, it all depends on who is using it for which purpose (intent). I agree with both.

My take on it is that we are actually presented with a false tree of life in order to make us accept transhumanism. This is the left hand path in esoteric schools. The right hand path would tell us that the actual human body has all what is needed to pas to supra human evolution, it is already in us to become like gods. No need of technology.

My take: it is all a game, up to us to decide what we want: life and become who we are, universal energies (god energies) or plug in inert energies. And like any learning, either path is not for the faint of heart - however, the inert one may seem easier at first glance, but it is not - this is the tromperie (falsehood)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCU6eeJK0Bs

Alexandra Bruce & Gigi Young | UFO Secrecy Media Censorship & False Light!

Published 6th December 2017

Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt, Intuitive Coach Gigi Young and Forbidden Knowledge TV's Alexandra Bruce go deep into the Wall of Official Secrecy around topics that are shrouded in mystery.like UFOs, Spirituality and our Ancient Past The complete lack of transparency from Mainstream Media on these important issues is designed to perpetuate a state of limited consciousness and keep the general populace subjugated to false narratives.
Alexandra Bruce & Gigi Young | UFO Secrecy Media Censorship & False Light!

[Wind]

The mind is like an inner journalist
that attacks your self-image and then reports about it.
But all the time there is a higher seeing present
that is not caught in the bubble of this play.
It simply Is. It is pure non-dual awareness.
It has no conflict with anything.
It is what you truly are.
It is you. You are It.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

You are peace
You are love
You are compassion
You are unbounded
Make life a celebration.

[greybeard]

Wishing all who post and visit here a peaceful. loving, Christmas and a wonderful 2018

Much Love
Chris

[greybeard]

Crystal snow - great illustration of the meditation "Latihan"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdhqMSHvkes

From my friend Mudra

[Valerie Villars]

Chris, thanks for that. We got 6 inches of snow on December 9th, here in southern Louisiana. It was unheard of and stunningly beautiful.

Peace to you brother,

Valerie

[Innocent Warrior]

https://iremit.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/The-Outback-Uluru.jpg
Uluru

Perfect for meditation -


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Intro to some of the animal sounds played on didgeridoos -


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[greybeard]

Christopher J. Smith ‘Discovering My Secret Self’ Interview by Iain McNay

Author of 'The Secret Self - A Practical Guide to Spiritual Awakening and Inner Freedom.' From an early age Chris had a sense that society didn't feel right and felt strange how people believed and identified with things which were not real. As a child he had subtle experiences of 'no identity.' He left school and joined the army where he learnt the true meaning of conditioning, he felt it was like a prison within a prison. A Corporal said to him. 'we want to break you down and rebuild you as we want you.' After leaving he started to have paranormal experiences and then his first real breakthrough occurred when he was 21 after being hospitalised with food poisoning. It looked like he wasn't going to recover so he completely let go of the struggle and allowing death to happen and then a great sense of peace, calm and clarity came which allowed his mind began to rest for the first time. Life was up and down for a time until he found the following online: 'As you look at a tree, see the tree and not the thoughts about the tree. When you look at it observe the shape, colour and presence of it without thinking about the shape, colour and presence of it. Just look quietly and then you will see the reality of this thing called the 'tree', as you will see the reality of any object'. Contemplating on this shifted him into an experience of complete oneness with the tree and everything else; any filter dropped away. There was no longer a watching or watched, just one in the same. 'I could not say what was me and what was not me. It was like floating in an ocean.'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUF-sXt0X7Q


http://conscious.tv/single.php?vid=5687710250001

[greybeard]

The undeniable Truth within everybody

I have watched all of this video and the Truth within is undeniable, even if you dont believe in spirituality.
Its long but even if you have to listen in segments it will, I believe, clear up any misunderstanding of what your true nature is.
If I could give you a Christmas present --it would be this talk by Rupert Spira.

Chris

Meditation: 'I Am That I Am' Is the Highest Truth
In this meditation, it is seen that knowing, being aware or awareness itself is the ever-present and unchanging background of all knowledge and experience. From the seven day retreat in Tuscany - August 2017. For access to the full recording see link: http://non-duality.rupertspira.com/wa...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r3YvgImnBA&t=145s

[Wind]

The ‘person’ itself is just a state,
a movement in the greater Self that you are.
This is why you can observe it.
You know its energy, its limitations,
its passions, its fears,
but you who perceive this, who are you?
It is not the person. It is away from the person;
it is a much purer state of consciousness,
and it is becoming more and more pure,
more and more empty of association
with the constructed, imagined self until finally,
it loses the lower state
and shines inside its own glory and perfection
as unborn awareness.

~ Mooji

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[Guish]

Story of a drowning merchant. Translated in English.

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[greybeard]

Conscious.tv News Winter 2017/18

Dear Friends of conscious.tv

Renate writes:

Hopefully this will find you well and peaceful after Christmas. With the New Year approaching I remember so well a New Year’s eve 11 years ago when we were staying in La Gomera in the Canary Islands catching up with some sunshine. Over a glass Champagne Iain and I were talking about our lives and all the things we would still like to explore and do and it was then that the idea of conscious.tv was born. It took a year or so to take form but since then it has been a major part of our lives. What a journey it has been for us from that moment of creation to now, we have recorded around 400 programs, nearly all of them interviews by either Iain or myself. We’ve also learned a lot about ourselves on many different levels and it is such a delight for us to know that some of our conscious.tv friends have been through a major part of that journey with us as well. Thank you all for your support and all your messages of gratitude and appreciation during that time. Hearing about your journeys and your Life changing experiences and Awakenings make our Hearts happy and keep us going because as you know conscious.tv is a “labour of love,” there is no business to keep going as such.

You may have realised that we didn’t make any programs for a few months and the reason for that is that Iain had an accident in the Summer while we were hiking in the Dolomite mountains. On a difficult stretch where we had to cross some sheer Rocks he slipped and started rolling down the mountain in front of my horrified eyes gaining more and more speed. I just screamed and screamed, I had never felt so helpless before. He finally stopped at a pile of Rocks and I climbed down to him not knowing if he was alive or maybe had some live changing injuries. I found him in a pool of blood but still conscious. After a time somebody passed by and were able to call the mountain rescue service and two guys carried Iain on a stretcher down to the next hut where an ambulance was waiting. In the Hospital we found out he had a fractured back, broken shoulder and a broken finger. He looked a real mess but all the other injuries were reasonably superficial. He has recovered really well but it has taken time. I still feel it is a Miracle that he survived that fall.

Three days earlier I was almost hit by lightening on another hike when a flash of lightening suddenly hit the ground 20 metres in front of me. Having said that it was an amazing holiday but conscious.tv needed to take a rest afterwards! Life is a Mystery and the only thing we ever know is that “I AM HERE” in this moment and nothing could ever be other then it is.

We recorded two new programmes a couple of weeks ago but technical gremlins meant that we were only able to broadcast the interview Iain did; I have to redo mine hopefully in the New Year.

So, where will conscious.tv go from here? It is still our intention to record new interviews from time to time but there will be less programmes in the future. When we started all those years ago we were pretty much the first channel doing these kind of interviews. Now there are several, and, also, nearly every teacher has their own Youtube channel with their own programmes. And that’s great because there are so many good interviews out there. When we do conscious.tv interviews in the future we want to try and cover ground that we have not covered before; there isn’t much point in just repeating the same thing. So please let us know if there is somebody you would like us to interview that you feel is different and maybe covers an area that we haven’t covered so far. We do check out all of your recommendations. Any guest does need to be able to get to London as that is where our interviews are recorded.

BROKEN LINKS
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BOOKS
Some of you will know that we have in the past released two books which consisted of transcripts of some of our interviews. They were ‘Conversations On Non-Duality’ and ‘Conversations on The Enneagram.’ We will have a third book out around Spring time called, ‘Conversations On Awakening’ which will consist of the transcripts of another 24 programmes. It will be released by White Crow Books as both a paper and an ebook. Watch out for it!

POTENTIAL INTERVIEWEES
We are still interested in your suggestions for potential interviewees. Please bear in mind that we don’t do interviews on SKYPE so the person needs to be available at some point in London in person. They also need to have something original and interesting to say as we don’t want to keep repeating the same subjects.

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Our programmes are currently being shown between 3am and 5am on Information TV which is Channel No 212 on SKY and 161 on FREESAT. We do realise that this is rather late, but you can always record them to watch at a more civilized time!

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TRANSCRIPTS OF PROGRAMMES
Many of our programmes have been transcribed and you can view the transcripts. This is an on-going process and is done on a volunteer basis. We are very grateful to those of you who have helped already with this project. We would like to increase the number of transcripts available. Do you think you may be able to help? If so, then please email: info@conscious.tv

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[Wind]

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[greybeard]

You can not help but love that smile.
I do.
Much love
Chris



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[Guish]

You can not help but love that smile.
I do.
Much love
Chris



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Oh yes, and without using fancy words, I would say that the whole perception of reality is just perception and we can experience things by going beyond the senses.
We can smile at the maya and have fun with all the problems that do exist.

[Guish]

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[greybeard]

The Zen Monk
Mooji in great story telling form.
I think even if your not interested in spirituality you would have a good laugh at this.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mV2Yq896NM&t=292s

[Guish]

The Zen Monk
Mooji in great story telling form.
I think even if your not interested in spirituality you would have a good laugh at this.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mV2Yq896NM&t=292s

That's indeed very good. That's why we see people losing it once their religion or something they identify to is criticised. We are all attached to something and we need to work on it.

[greybeard]

A friend asked if I knew what my twigs are---my response
"Twigs"!!! Its a Forrest. Ha ha!

Love C

[Wind]

"There is no single path to enlightenment. Yoga has no monopoly. Life itself is the great enlightener. I met a man once who, after the shock of hearing his wife tell him that she had ceased to love him, that she had for some time had a secret lover, and that she requested a divorce so as to be able to marry him, felt a collapse of all his hitherto confidently held values and beliefs. For some days he was so affected that he could not eat. But his mind by then had become so extraordinarily lucid concerning these matters and himself, that he experienced moments of truth. Through them he came into a great peace and understanding, an inner change. What was the morning sun which awakened him? He did no yogic exercises, entered no churches, was too intent on his worldly business to read spiritual books. This brings me back to the theme: do not submit to the pressure of those who say there is only a single way to salvation (the way they follow or teach) do not let the mind be trammelled or narrowed. The truth is that the ways are many, are spread out in all directions, are individual."

~ Paul Brunton

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[greybeard]

Yes different paths.
Mooji gave a woman a slightly difficult time because she had a Kundalini wakening--he more or less dismissed it as an experience in awareness--therefore not Self.
Adyashanti had Kundalini experiences after Self Realization--said that the body needed this in order to adapt to the increased energy of enlightenment.
The late Dr David Hawkins had similar.
Rupert Spira speaks of it.
The late Dr Goels who's Ashram I spent time on , was known as the Kundalini guru "Guruji" He wrote books on the subject, as did other Indian teachers.
Dr Goes said that if Kundalini was awakened Enlightenment was guaranteed in this life time or the next.

His book is advertised at £129.00 on Amazon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kundalini-Liberating-Force-Dr-Goel/dp/8120732669

However Mooji is correct --experiences come and go--Self is unchanging and eternal.

Chris

[greybeard]

I dont want to give the wrong impression or take away from advice from the Self realized as though I could.

As far as I can see most who crossed the river did not make it happen--no ritual --no spiritual practice guarantees anything --nothing you can do works. an accident almost
Seems you can become accident prone and thats where the advice is helpful.

Mooji is very basic --be still--dont try--be silent.

Ramesh Balsekar--" God gave you an ego--let Him take it away." He was fond of saying "You are not the doer"

its different levels--what appears to be true at one level is not Ultimate Truth.

So in this realm its wise to abide by the "law of the land"
Yet--at another level you do not exist as an individual person--there is no other.

The best way I can attempt to explain is. The left hand is "you" the right hand Is "you" same blood flows through both--yet they have different functions.
Would the left had harm the right?
The body functions perfectly without any conscious input from the in-dweller.

As far as I can see, its best just to go through life in a spirit of gratitude and acceptance of what is.

With love
C

[ThePythonicCow]

A friend asked if I knew what my twigs are---my response
"Twigs"!!! Its a Forrest. Ha ha!

Love C

So ... when you say that you still carry water and chop wood ... is this the wood you speak of :) ?

[greybeard]

A friend asked if I knew what my twigs are---my response
"Twigs"!!! Its a Forrest. Ha ha!

Love C

So ... when you say that you still carry water and chop wood ... is this the wood you speak of :) ?

No Paul its a follow on from the Mooji Zen Monk video.
The Twig is the one thing that unsettles the peaceful mind---the Achilles heel.

I was just fooling---very little gets to me now but I still have a few buttons than can be pushed notquite a forrest oftwigs---a massive over exaggeration--I hope--smiling.

My sense of humour is a bit over the top at times.

Love c

[ThePythonicCow]

So ... when you say that you still carry water and chop wood ... is this the wood you speak of :) ?

No Paul its a follow on from the Mooji Zen Monk video.
Ah - it seems that my sense of humor was a bit even further over the top, and falling off the other side.

I was recalling some old line about still carrying water and chopping wood, even after being enlightened.

I was then responding to your "forest" response to Mooji's twigs, asking, with a wry look on my face that you couldn't see, if you were still chopping wood, from that forest.

[Foxie Loxie]

That's what is missing from these internet "conversations" is the being able to "read" another person's facial expressions or body language. :gaah:

[greybeard]

So ... when you say that you still carry water and chop wood ... is this the wood you speak of :) ?

No Paul its a follow on from the Mooji Zen Monk video.
Ah - it seems that my sense of humor was a bit even further over the top, and falling off the other side.

I was recalling some old line about still carrying water and chopping wood, even after being enlightened.

I was then responding to your "forest" response to Mooji's twigs, asking, with a wry look on my face that you couldn't see, if you were still chopping wood, from that forest.

Well I'm still doing dishes and fetching groceries---does that count for normality? I wonder

Humour is so Important.

Keep smiling

Ch

[Wind]

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[Guish]

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His voice is very soothing.

[Guish]

"Zen is you, Zen is life. If all you do is practice Zazen, without being aware of the rest of your life, you don't understand Zen. Zen is also understanding this machine we call our body by keeping it effective, flexible and strong. Zen is understanding how your body functions: what and how to eat, when and how to sleep. Learning the natural way to be in every action and every situation is Zen."

- Kodo Sawaki

[Mark]

As far as I can see most who crossed the river did not make it happen--no ritual --no spiritual practice guarantees anything --nothing you can do works. an accident almost
Seems you can become accident prone and thats where the advice is helpful.

There is the idea in the east of the "grace of the Guru". According to this tradition, a Guru can assist devotees that he or she believes are well on the path by energetically supporting enlightenment experiences. Also, within the idea of karma there is the implicit understanding that we cannot really know at what point we have arrived at any particular level of spiritual understanding, and so an enlightnment event might sneak up on you all unawares, which makes perfect sense.

[Guish]

As far as I can see most who crossed the river did not make it happen--no ritual --no spiritual practice guarantees anything --nothing you can do works. an accident almost
Seems you can become accident prone and thats where the advice is helpful.

There is the idea in the east of the "grace of the Guru". According to this tradition, a Guru can assist devotees that he or she believes are well on the path by energetically supporting enlightenment experiences. Also, within the idea of karma there is the implicit understanding that we cannot really know at what point we have arrived at any particular level of spiritual understanding, and so an enlightnment event might sneak up on you all unawares, which makes perfect sense.

There is also another school of thought which suggests that we are all enlightened and it's just that we identify with the ego and don't know it.

[greybeard]

As far as I can see most who crossed the river did not make it happen--no ritual --no spiritual practice guarantees anything --nothing you can do works. an accident almost
Seems you can become accident prone and thats where the advice is helpful.

There is the idea in the east of the "grace of the Guru". According to this tradition, a Guru can assist devotees that he or she believes are well on the path by energetically supporting enlightenment experiences. Also, within the idea of karma there is the implicit understanding that we cannot really know at what point we have arrived at any particular level of spiritual understanding, and so an enlightnment event might sneak up on you all unawares, which makes perfect sense.

Good to see you here Rahkty.
Yes enlightenment can "dawn slowly" or in a Holy instant.
I suspect that when the pupil is ready the right teacher arrives.
Love Chris

[Wind]

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[Wind]

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[Guish]

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Realising that reality is your own doing is the path to salvation.

[Guish]

Loosen your grip. It has never been your nature to hold on to things. The clouds move freely in the sky and thoughts move freely in your vast mind. You are not your name, nor your status, nor your caste nor does your belongings represent you. You are beyond this. Let go and breathe. The only thing real is the breath.

[Wind]

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[StandingWave]

By what possible process can one become what One already is?
None.

How long does it take to become what One already is?
No time at all.

Nothing changes yet
everything is transformed.

Now.

[Foxie Loxie]

We just have to perceive & realize it, correct? :confused:

[greybeard]

We just have to perceive & realize it, correct? :confused:

In essence this is true Foxie
However its not that easy---its really down to consciousness which is what we are.

Ramesh Balsekar said "God gave you an ego let Him remove it"
Also "At birth God begins removing the ego of some"

Now that was not literal--there is no separate distant God.

One part of it is that --if everyones ego was removed-if Self realization happened to everyone, then duality would come to and end and this chapter in the play of consciousness would come to an end.

Thats my thoughts on it--so not necessarily so.

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

"In God I trust"
The paradox is that there is only one without a second--one consciousness and yet the power of prayer is phenomenal.
This apparent separate persona, life, has been saved on a least four occasions.
My ego would like to tell you all about it but the temptation passed.

So in small and large matters --all is left alone to providence.
The prayer of gratitude is a nightly occurrence.

With love
Chris

[Wind]

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[O Donna]

If I had to sum up what enlightenment means to me it would be encapsulated in this meme.

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https://sundayisforlovers.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/laughing-buddha-elightenment.jpg

Parent meets the child and remembers.

[greybeard]

Feel and Be the Space of Being
Mooji


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMjbz_oDR9I

[Wind]

Mooji Live on London Real:
https://www.facebook.com/moojiji/videos/10155608711248962/?notif_id=1516640282144046&notif_t=live_video

[moshiya]

dear greybeard,
i like to thank you for lighting up this tread, perhaps you could elaborate on taming the ego, while i do agree that life might seem a lot easier when the ego is docile, which seems to look that way with many, but isnt it when it flares up, has come to life so to speak , it often takes control, or better, we start identifying again, its the soft or low as you call it energy that can be seen for what it is and diverte from it, "" able not to identify with it""

perhaps it would be good to talk about emotions, their root, and attchments to which we attach and identify and their link to the feeling and mind and external influences that trigger it.
to know thy enemy makes it a battle that can be won.
moshiya

[greybeard]

dear greybeard,
i like to thank you for lighting up this tread, perhaps you could elaborate on taming the ego, while i do agree that life might seem a lot easier when the ego is docile, which seems to look that way with many, but isnt it when it flares up, has come to life so to speak , it often takes control, or better, we start identifying again, its the soft or low as you call it energy that can be seen for what it is and diverte from it, "" able not to identify with it""

perhaps it would be good to talk about emotions, their root, and attchments to which we attach and identify and their link to the feeling and mind and external influences that trigger it.
to know thy enemy makes it a battle that can be won.
moshiya

Thanks for your post moshiya
I agree with what you say.
If you go back to the earliest posts on this thread you will find quite a bit on transcending the ego.
There is nothing new in spirituality.

I had a lot of challenges with the voice in the head.

I went on a course to be come a hynotherapist--I asked our teacher about this.
Best advice ever he said "Stop Talking to Your self!!" Basically see the thoughts as separate from your Self---They come, they go---I did not invite them--I did not ask them in for tea.
So at first these thought were loud and demanding attention--I just starved them--did not give them energy.
I did not enter into conversation with them.
Within a short period of time they got quieter and quieter-- They still arrive as a background sound but I pay no heed.
If I need to think thats different.

Hope this helps.

Basically ego is identification with the story of me.

Best wishes Chris

[moshiya]

dear greybeard,

thank you for your reply, perhaps you presumed that i needed quidance, but i merely wanted to bring it up as it is ,not as easy as it might seem, yet is is true that it will raise awareness and quite it down to some exstent, but as said in my reaction, when emotions run high due to some attachment, it will reason to justify itself, and as measure we have only our collected limited points of view we "" it"" have"gathered along the way, yes ignore these thoughts, one might say, do not give them an ear, but an emotion is narrow minded, it sees the world only Through its eyes and will fight for its survival, we may not invite them for tea, but there are moments they simply kick in the door and bring their own tea.
like you said, ego had its function, and if we can see it within our selves in action, and gain Knowledge on how it operates then we can get the much needed experience of it not being you, the I it made you "" think was you. not a theory but experience, thats where strenght/willpower can grow enough to let go. true this is not enough , but as we come to see it at work and the struggle to detach we also grow compassion, knowing how difficult it is ""was"" for us we become more forgiving to others, and so also lessen its stronghold over us. but i will leave it at this for now ne thank you again.
moshiya

[greybeard]

Eckhart Tolle speaking on pain body was an eye opener for me.
Thats in his book "The Power of Now"
Emotions are not easy to deal with particularly if they are "justified"

Chris

[moshiya]

and this jusification is often done by the emotion itself, while it reasons from a limited point of view.
moshiya

[greybeard]

An invitation to freedom


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5_sbzSXs0E

[Wind]

You have to find the place of no-mind
and no effort within yourself.
But don't employ the mind for this.
Your mind itself implies effort
and it will try to 'do' no effort—and to 'be' nobody.
This itself takes great effort and, in fact, is impossible.
'Great effort' and the one apparently making it
are seen in a space of no effort.
In that 'no-effort' place—you are.
Observe, know and confirm:
I am That which is synonymous with no-effort.

~ Mooji

[onevoice]

You have to find the place of no-mind
and no effort within yourself.
But don't employ the mind for this.
Your mind itself implies effort
and it will try to 'do' no effort—and to 'be' nobody.
This itself takes great effort and, in fact, is impossible.
'Great effort' and the one apparently making it
are seen in a space of no effort.
In that 'no-effort' place—you are.
Observe, know and confirm:
I am That which is synonymous with no-effort.

~ Mooji

The above quotation by Mooji is without a doubt coming from sublime wisdom. I have been practicing the Chinese Zen (known as Chan) for more than two decades. I have studied under world renowned Chinese Chan master, Shen Yen, who was in direct lineage that can be traced back to the Buddhist original contemporary teacher/master, Shakyamuni Buddha, also known as Gautama Buddha. My Buddhist master passed away many years ago, however many of us still follow his teachings. The original Buddhist teacher, was born in 563 BCE and reached supreme enlightening or awakening. He did not consider himself to be creator or lord, but simply a teacher who wanted to share his experience of supreme enlightenment or awakening.

Ever since that time, Buddhist and others have followed his teachings to become enlightened. And great masters since that time have tried many different ways to carry on that teaching to make it relevant to the people at that time.

My Buddhist master/teacher has taught two different methods - "Huato" and "Silent Illumination". I have studied both methods extensively for many years and practiced them through many grueling 7 to 10 day meditation retreats. The method of "Silent Illumination" is most consistent with the the above quote by Mooji. The ultimate way to become enlightened is to totally silence the continuous streams of thoughts arising from the ego mind. Silencing the mind does not mean suppressing the scattered thoughts that constantly arises, but rather being aware of these scattered thoughts as being inconsequential and just letting them go without paying any attention to them. When one tries to either suppress the thoughts or ignore the thoughts, these scattered thought acquire more energy and later get harder to let go.

The "Silent Illumination" method can be broken down to two aspects - one of silencing the mind and the 2nd of illuminating the mind. So to practice this, one has to first quiet the onslaught of thoughts. To do this, can take many years of practice of first concentrating mind on simpler methods such as:

counting the breath
following the breath

Counting the breath method is continuously counting the exhalations from 1 to 10, then repeating it over and over. If one loses the count, one simply starts again from the count of 1.

The following the breath method is a deeper and more advanced method of just focusing on the exhalations.

There are other basic methods of concentrating the mind, however, they all serve to concentrate the mind. For most meditation beginners, our mind (thoughts) is like an incandescent light bulb where the light (thoughts) shines (scatters) in all directions. For advanced meditation practitioner, the goal is to concentrate the mind, like a laser, where all the light waves are coherent and vibrating in harmony together and tightly focused toward a single point.

So in the earlier stages, an advanced practitioner will focus on a single point of thought. Whenever stray thoughts arises to distract the practitioner, that thought is simply acknowledged and the focus is returned back to the single point.

In the later advanced stages, the practitioner will be focused on a single point and then begin to observe and be aware of the mind/ego. As the observation and awareness of the mind increases, the single point of focus disappears into pure awareness. The awareness is maintained until the ego mind disappears and one experiences the True Pure Mind that gives arises to all the phenomena that one experiences. In the intermediate stages, one may experience varying intensity of energy and light.

So the everyday reality that we experience is simply projections that our True Pure Mind makes and the ego mind (self) interprets that as the reality in a duality that there is a self (ego) which it perceives as subject and the all other objects (everything else in the universe) as objects that are perceived.

It is rather tricky to reach the state of no-mind as various thoughts and emotions are continuously arising in our mind. Best approach to getting to the state of no-mind is to relax the mind as if one is on vacation without a worry or care. That of course is very difficult to do, however it can be reached with diligence, patience and compassion. Our everyday thoughts and actions are continually contributing to the development and state of our mind/self, so we need to become mindful of our thoughts and actions. It is very helpful to know and understand highly ethical and moral behavior, because any selfish (service to self) thoughts or actions will deter us from reaching the state of no-mind. In Buddhist teaching, it is not enough to reach state of no-mind. That also has to be let go to reach state of emptiness.

[greybeard]

Thank you for your valued contribution onevoice.

Chris

[Wind]

Just observe that all objects of perception
are movements occurring in you.
They have a beginning and an end.
But you—that which is observing
and simultaneously aware
of the observing and the observer
—are without beginning or end.

~ Mooji

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[greybeard]

This is a complete Interview of Mooji--from childhood till now
Very interesting.
I watched in three sessions to get the benefit of it.
There is no need for special meditation or spiritual practical according to Mooji
Ch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd8l4D4VAQk


Ps the video The invitation posted above really covers all you need to know


This is life story and more.

https://www.facebook.com/moojiji/videos/10155608711248962/

[Wind]

That London Real interview of Mooji was really good, I watched it live when it came.

Mooji told a lot about his personal life too.

[Wind]

Behind ‘the believer’ is a reality
that is beyond belief and believer.
It does not need to believe.
It cannot even be said to know,
for nothing exists apart from it.
It just Is.
It is that reality that is the divinity in you.
And it is that divinity that I am corresponding with.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

Mooji's Birthday--silent sitting.

Quite long silent beginning but a very in your face message.
There seems to be a change --a sense of urgency in recent Mooji talks.
He is more or less saying --you know all you need to know--now get on with it.
Thats my perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuitMUqUM5o

[onevoice]

Mooji's Birthday--silent sitting.

Quite long silent beginning but a very in your face message.
There seems to be a change --a sense of urgency in recent Mooji talks.
He is more or less saying --you know all you need to know--now get on with it.
Thats my perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuitMUqUM5o

Great video from Mooji, thanks for posting it, greybeard. My essential quote by Mooji in the above video:

...to escape from the wheels of samsara matters.
And yet we still cling to seeds that will cause you to perish, to suffer. These must be rooted out. Our true nature is imperishable, timeless. We are obliged to understand the functioning of the egoic mind and not support it.

I agree that Mooji is urging people to not waste time; to let go of our egoic mind, to experience our true nature. We have been here so many times, and yet we forget and come again.

[Michelle Marie]

Feel and Be the Space of Being
Mooji


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMjbz_oDR9I

I really enjoyed this meditation.

Thank you!
MM :heart: :sun:

[greybeard]

The logic cannot be denied.
Even a person not particularly interested in spirituality could not disagree with most of what Mooji says.

Yet the % genuinely interested in Self Realization is small yet rising.
When the percentage gets to a certain point then we will have the longed for peace, love and respect throughout the world.

Every increase in "personal" spiritual vibration raises the collective.
Its that important.

With love
Chris

[Wind]

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[greybeard]

We are God disguised as man Allan Watts


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEnOJpO05F0

[greybeard]

Wayne Dyer - You Are God - Your Are Consciousness - Your Wishes Fulfilled



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0NLEomOgDg

[Valerie Villars]

I used to love to watch Wayne Dyer's presentations on public t.v. Good stuff.

[onevoice]

I used to love to watch Wayne Dyer's presentations on public t.v. Good stuff.

I did too Villival, he is a great philosopher/teacher/master. I have one of his book, "Wisdom of the Ages: A Modern Master Brings Eternal Truths into Everyday Life". I remember him on one of the PBS show talking about an experience where he was walking along a beach and encountered a butterfly. The butterfly decided to light on his finger, and stayed with him for more than 2 hours. Not all that time was on his finger, but it hanged around him for many hours. Wayne Dyer said it was as if the butterfly was trying to talk to him.

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On one of my meditation retreat, while my late Chan master was alive and still directing/teaching the meditation retreat; I once rescued a butterfly that had strayed into the meditation hall. I took it outside in my cupped hands and opened my hands to release it once outside. Even though my hands were open and it was free to go, it stayed on one of my hands for about a minute before taking off. I felt that the butterfly was thanking me for the rescue. And I in turned thought "You're welcome". I wouldn't for the moment consider that it was anywhere as special as Wayne Dyer's experience; however, I thought it was special to me. I was honored to rescue many insects and other critters during that retreat, there were many occasions to do that as the meditation hall is in the middle of natural surrounding where critters come into the meditation hall all the time.

At the time of the above experience, I didn't think I was enlightened or that it was an enlightened experience, just a special time shared between two sentient beings. Nor do I consider myself enlightened now. It is a long journey, however it has been interesting one so far.

[Valerie Villars]

onevoice, that is a beautiful story. Animal do speak to us.

About two weeks ago I was feeling inordinately sad for no particular reason. I was out at my barn in the evening and tears just started pouring out of me. My horse, Frysta, put her head on me against my chest and just stood there for about ten minutes until I quit crying. She was so still and quiet and would not move her head. If I moved a bit she moved her head to stay on me.

It was a very profound moment in time for me. I knew she felt my sadness.

[greybeard]

From the caterpillar to the butterfly.
Once upon a time--at this is true.
I was in the kitchen and a butterfly alighted on my chest--it stayed there a long while--I opened a window ro let it out but no it was quite happy where it was.
I have never seen that type of butterfly before or after.

Not wanting to make too much of it but I dont see how it got in the kitchen in the first place as door was shut as was th window.
I left it on the window which I had re closed and went to bed.
In the morning it had gone--how I dont know.

However it was a beautiful uplifting experience, which I appreciated greatly, then and now.

Chris

[greybeard]

Just a wee note. (well I am Scottish)
Avalon has been kind to me and I have got a lot from the members--management.
I would like to remind visitors that you dont have to be a member to donate.
Thanks for the support

Chris

[Valerie Villars]

How do Scottish people say "I second that motion"?

Hear, here.

[greybeard]

How do Scottish people say "I second that motion"?

Hear, here.

Might say "Im One with you Jimmy" smiling.

[onevoice]

onevoice, that is a beautiful story. Animal do speak to us.

About two weeks ago I was feeling inordinately sad for no particular reason. I was out at my barn in the evening and tears just started pouring out of me. My horse, Frysta, put her head on me against my chest and just stood there for about ten minutes until I quit crying. She was so still and quiet and would not move her head. If I moved a bit she moved her head to stay on me.

It was a very profound moment in time for me. I knew she felt my sadness.

When I was growing up in Texas, my foster dad was into raising/breeding thoroughbred horse and racing them in many racetracks in Texas and Louisiana.

One morning, I went down to feed the horses. When I went to one of the mare's stall, I balled my eyes out. She was laying down, and I knew she was lifeless. After a long while, I headed back to the house, and told my dad that the mare had died. He called the animal truck to have it hauled away, and I was devastated the whole day.

In those years, I was able to train and ride horses that others said were too tempestuous and would buck off any rider that tried to ride him. After stroking the horse's neck and showing him that I really cared for him, I had no problem riding him. I've had great relationships with all the horses we had. You can't fool a horse, they are very intuitive, they can read any human's character very well as well as one's mood. We had other animals on the farm - chickens, cows, and once a pig. Being around those animals were very special.

[Wind]

You can only come to the final recognition
that you are the Heart itself.
Heart and yourself are one reality.
That alone will end your quest
and give unending satisfaction to your heart.

~ Mooji

[Valerie Villars]

I believe the way we treat animals is indicative of our real character. What we do when "no one" is watching. Beautiful onevoice.

I'm one with you Jimmy.

[greybeard]

Wayne Dyer - You Are God - Your Are Consciousness - Your Wishes Fulfilled


Ooops I posted this already
Ch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0NLEomOgDg&t=208s

[greybeard]

One of my favorite Mooji meditations.
The figure, often shown, is to represent the cosmic dance--or play of consciousness.

Love C



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaWzi16xrl4&t=20s

[Wind]

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[Wind]

In our world we know that for most of us,
one of the strongest pulls in life
is to have someone who you can spend your life with.
Someone whose heart resonates with yours,
someone who has love for you as much as
you have love for them.
This is the way that love is often expressed in
the human kingdom.
But love has much broader implications also.
As you come to discover the truth of your own self,
you come to the very source of love.

When you come to the source of love,
your being begins to merge there in that love.
And that love is a universal love,
it is not merely a personal love.
It continues to expand and radiate until it embraces and
encompasses the whole world.

This is not merely spiritual fantasy.
You grow in this love because wherever
ego has become redundant or absent,
universal love shines right there, from there.
And it never stops, it never meets a point
beyond which it cannot go.
It is this love that is in the core of every living being
and certainly within every human being.

And this love and truth are not different.
This love and wisdom are not different.
This love and trust are not different.
This love and life are not different.

This love never runs dry.
Outwardly, it may change its form,
but inwardly it is unchanging.

May this love so flower in us all and radiate so powerfully
because, if the world needs something,
it needs to taste this love again.
And every one has this love in you.
If you pray for one person, the power and love that goes into this prayer can be spread for the whole world
and it will not drain you. In fact it will energise you.

This love has many different aspects and facets,
the love we see expressed here is within the great love,
as is the love for your children and for your friends,
the love you have for the things you do in life,
the love for your work, the love for God,
all of this springs from the great love, from the great Source.

~ Mooji

https://www.catholicfaithstore.com/Inventory/CatholicFaith/10/PicmKouhw.jpg

[Valerie Villars]

I love Jim Carrey. The Truman Show. We are all living it.

[Wind]

I love Jim Carrey. The Truman Show. We are all living it.

In many ways we indeed are living in it.

[greybeard]

Know your life purpose in 7 minutes | Neale Donald Walsch | Motivational Video |Reminder who you are

Conversations with God has come a long way


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIBIW6eT8I

[Wind]

No one has the power to make you unhappy or miserable.
Mainly, we do this by ourselves.
Happiness is our real nature.
Sadness comes mostly through habit
and through identification with the personal self.
We can be happy every moment but mostly, due to habit,
we choose to focus on what makes us unhappy
and so lose or hide our natural joy.
Develop the excellent attitude of gratitude to all of existence.
Overlook petty thoughts, worries and troubles
—the bitter and the sweet.
Instantly, you will begin feeling uplifted in your spirit
and in a short time you will begin seeing life
through brighter, wiser and more loving eyes.
Start today.

~ Mooji

[Wind]

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-world-is-so-unhappy-because-it-is-ignorant-of-the-true-self-man-s-real-nature-is-ramana-maharshi-88-21-11.jpg

[greybeard]

For sure Mooji and Ramana are coming from the same place.
Thanks for the ongoing poss Wind--much appreciated

Much love
Chris

[O Donna]

It is not for me to decide if enlightened or not.

I'd like to share a experience with enlightenment through imagery. Enlightenment (as I understand it) is like the rarest of gem that when I go to explain it to myself and especially others I see it disintegrate right before my eyes. It's 'there' but senses see it degenerate leaving me wondering and searching for words.

I can imagine it being like knowing one is in a dream and trying to bring like a lamp stick from the dream world into reality. It all disappears along with the rest of the 'physical' things in dreamworld upon waking.

I don't know if this is a thread to share such thoughts but there it is. :)

I have such a wonderful thing to share but it doesn't come out as beautiful as the beauty it truly is. I think, maybe next time....

[greybeard]

O Donna
Thanks for your post.
Feel free to continue to share your experiences.

Chris

[O Donna]

Whatever is not yours, let go of it.
Your letting go of it will be
for your long-term welfare & happiness.

-Buddha


I find the above quote useful.

[O Donna]

An insight I just had about the quote I just posted. I reread the quote and thought, why do I have such a hard time with the words 'let go', I feel they shouldn't but they do. The words confuse me and then an idea inserted suggesting 'put aside' instead of 'let go'.

Goes like this

Whatever is not yours, put it aside.
Your putting it aside will be
for your long-term welfare & happiness.

Any opinion as to whether it leaves the spirit of the Buddha message intact or not?

What I get as an interpretation was that the Buddha was hinting at the true nature of things/ putting things in perspective.

[greybeard]

One way of looking at it is that ownership is at best temporary--its a concept.
All concepts to be released to reveal truth.
Truth not being a thought or an opinion.
One definition of enlightenment is.
There is no longer an identification with the story of me--hence the statement--On enlightenment there is no one left to claim enlightenment--the illusion of a separate person has gone.

One more thought on the Buddha quote is the saying "That which brings you pleasure will bring you pain" Different sides of the same coin.


My disclaimer is that any post of mine is not necessarily true--its a may be so.

Love Chris

[onevoice]

An insight I just had about the quote I just posted. I reread the quote and thought, why do I have such a hard time with the words 'let go', I feel they shouldn't but they do. The words confuse me and then an idea inserted suggesting 'put aside' instead of 'let go'.

Goes like this

Whatever is not yours, put it aside.
Your putting it aside will be
for your long-term welfare & happiness.

Any opinion as to whether it leaves the spirit of the Buddha message intact or not?

What I get as an interpretation was that the Buddha was hinting at the true nature of things/ putting things in perspective.

Hi O Donna. Your interpretation of the Buddha's message quite certainly does detract from the original intent of the Buddha. When Buddha advised to "let go" that is precisely what he meant. Our sense of self arises from the 7 consciousness that we have (we have 8 consciousness according to the Buddha). These are the eight consciousnesses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Consciousnesses) we have:

eye consciousness
ear consciousness
nose consciousness
tongue consciousness
body consciousness
mental consciousness
deluded awareness
All encompassing consciousness

The first 5 consciousnesses are associated with the five sensory organs we have. The 5th consciousness of the body processes the sense of touch and other physical sensations of the body. The first 5 consciousness forms the outer layers of our consciousness that we use to interface with our environment. Picture 5 segmented outer ring. The 6th consciousness are associated with the ordinary thinking mind that we use every day in our every day thought, speech and actions. It is the aggregator of the lower 5 consciousness. The 6th consciousness forms the next inner ring of consciousness. The 7th consciousness is the foundation/source of our ego. It is the consciousness of the self -- it exists to always try to preserve oneself above the needs of the others. The 7th consciousness forms the next inner ring. The 8th consciousness it the "permanent" memory, what is usually referred to as soul in western metaphysical teaching. It stores all of the experiences and memories of all our past lives. It also serves as the seed for our next life, if you haven't become enlightened and choose to reincarnate. The 8th consciousness forms the central core of our consciousness.

So for most of us, letting go of things in our life that we hold dear is very difficult. Our memories of past enjoyable experiences as well as the ones we like to forget, we continue to hold onto. These are commonly referred to as attachments. Holding onto both pleasurable and not so pleasurable experiences both causes us to suffer.
We also have goals and status that we are striving for and obtain - such as wealth, fame, recognition, etc. These are commonly referred to as grasping. Together, all of our attachments and graspings forms the foundation of the sense of our self.

We can easily see that when we remember the past painful experiences, we suffer. What is not so obvious is that when we reminisce about pleasurable moments of our past, we long for it, so we create a sort of "void" in our consciousness. Also we want pleasurable experiences to last, so we sometimes do self-serving things to maintain this.

My Chinese Chan Master told me there are three basic steps to enlightenment:

Let go of all attachments
Let go of all graspings
Let go of self


The first two are very difficult but may be doable. The last one is the hardest one. There are many levels of letting the self go as well. One of the most advanced method my Master taught is the "Silent Illumination" - wherein the primary process is just letting go of whatever thoughts and experiences we sense during the meditation. I hope this has help to shed some light on the meaning of "letting go". It is like when we have something in our hand, just open the hand and let it go. This way, the hand (mind) is empty and open to infinite possibilities. When we try to do other actions such as "putting it aside" we are involving the ego as the ego is deciding to put it aside for later consideration.

[O Donna]

Very helpful, thanks much!!

Isn't there also the illusion of letting go? Is there such a thing as letting go of letting go?

Letting go implies there is something to let go of.

It is like something placed in our grasps at birth, holding it the entire life only to loosen the grasp to find that all this time there was nothing in the grasp. A magic trick if you will.

[greybeard]

Very helpful, thanks much!!

Isn't there also the illusion of letting go? Is there such a thing as letting go of letting go?

Letting go implies there is something to let go of.

It is like something placed in our grasps at birth, holding it the entire life only to loosen the grasp to find that all this time there was nothing in the grasp. A magic trick if you will.

Yes O Donna
Its all levels and what seems true and is appropriate at one is no so in another.
If you want absolute Truth--nothing ever happened --no Creation no Dissolution--- Thats according to Ramana Maharshi and Nasargadatta.
But its not helpful for most with the every day vicissitudes.

So there is no letting go--no free will. (at that level)
Nothing t0 let go of --no subject nor object--one consciousness.
One without a second.
You are not the doer.

Acts happen deeds are done but there is no doer thereof

Christ quote " Of myself I do nothing , it is the Father within"

Tim's thread has the best explanation of enlightenment--from my perspective.

Hope this helps--not that there is a you to need it--smiling
Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

[Wind]

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[O Donna]

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Wow. After hearing Mooji I felt like he is like a relative in the sense of harmony while listening to him in just the first 2 minutes.

I can just picture him at a fireside chat speaking with everyone as equals sharing as they do in return.

[Wind]

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[Wind]

Mooji - An invitation to freedom Part 1/2 London Real

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Full video can be viewed here (https://londonreal.tv/e/mooji/).

[Wind]

"It is true that every happening in the outer life can be accepted as being good for the inner life, that the most calamitous situation can be taken as God's will for us. But it is also true that unless we ask--and correctly answer--in what sense it is good and why it is God's will, we may fail to seek out and strive to correct the fault in us which makes it good and providential. For each situation presents not only the need and opportunity of recognizing a higher power at work in our life, but also a problem in self-examination and self-improvement."

"The region of real power, real knowledge, is not in duality, not in the contrast of good and evil, light and dark, but in THAT which transcends them. Can we gain access to it?"

"We live in the Real--all of us--but only few know it."
"This is a paradox of existence: that the Real is beyond the illusory and yet the illusory is derived from the Real."

"Grace is here for all. It cannot be here for one special person and not for another. Only we do not know how to open our tensioned hands and receive it, how to open our ego-tight hearts and let it gently enter."

~ Paul Brunton

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[greybeard]

Adyashanti best video (and I've watched many). It's about no self


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXKWJpBCpaE

[greybeard]

There is No Choice in Eternity



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXiD89R71WY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6maAy9ZwtJc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyVwfqpKxrM

[greybeard]

Meditation: 'I Am' Is the Way, the Truth and the Life


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl1uTkXOFqA

[greybeard]

God Is the Very Self of Each of Us

Once upon a time people got burned at the stake for such utterances.

Ch



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQWIcYbtsEc

[Wind]

You are the sage whom you seek.
You are the treasure trove of wisdom
that cannot be defined or described.
The wind blows, but no one knows
from where it comes, nor where it will go.
It is the same with the sagely presence—
unpredictable, auspicious and untraceable.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

Meditation: 'I Am That I Am' Is the Highest Truth

Rupert Spira
Published on 29 Sep 2017
In this meditation, it is seen that knowing, being aware or awareness itself is the ever-present and unchanging background of all knowledge and experience.
From the seven day retreat in Tuscany - August 2017. For access to the full recording see link: http://non-duality.rupertspira.com/wa...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r3YvgImnBA&t=825s

[suzzycowgirl]

LOSING CONTROL

I was running my team of horses into the woods to pick up firewood for my stepdad with a two wheeled cart and trailer hitched to the cart. I stopped the horses at a pile of wood my stepdad had cut and split and I filled up the trailer. But before I could get back into the cart, the horses started running. I ran to the cart and threw myself onto the floor as the horses galloped across the field. I tried to grab hold of the reins to stop them from running but I was being bounced around so badly that I couldn’t even stand up to get hold of them. Then as I felt myself being being thrown from the cart, everything slowed down and came to a complete stop. I got up from the floor of the cart to see the horses had turned into the woods and were caught up in the trees. I wasn’t hurt and the horses were alright as well.
I became aware of the fact that my life, as I knew it, was taken out of my control and in that split second was given back to me by God. I had eaten all my negative karma and was able to continue to be who I am. I believe that when circumstances get out of the control of your personality, like this event, you materialize your good or bad karma. Most people seem to avoid losing control at all costs. I guess maybe we all know what kind of karma is waiting for us.

[Wind]

When not being your Self becomes far too painful,
Self-discovery becomes vital.
It seems we can live in exile
from our own true nature for a while.
It is the play of life after all.
Actually, we cannot do it.
We can only dream it, or believe it into existence
and suffer our own projection.
Such exile would be akin to saying
that space has forgotten itself
and imagines that it is only the wind.
Space imagining itself to be blowing
when actually it is only the wind that is blowing
—what delusion.
When the wind is not blowing,
does space ‘become’ space again?
Is space not always unchanging?
Wind or no wind, what concern is that to space?
Likewise, you are only a person
when you imagine you are a person.
When you cease believing you are a person,
there is no person and no confusion.
When the wind is not blowing, who speaks of the wind?
You are none of this, O Divine Awareness.

~ Mooji

[Catsquotl]

WDGk73I8LM4

Having had my all to human look on spirituality teachings handed back to me once again in forum land. I stumbled upon this video.

Enjoy..

With Love
Eelco

[Catsquotl]

we have:

eye consciousness
ear consciousness
nose consciousness
tongue consciousness
body consciousness
mental consciousness
deluded awareness
All encompassing consciousness


It may be possible the last 2 are later additions
According to the Pali canon there are only 6.(well in the translated parts I studied anyway)
I think it is said that the various consciousnesses only arise based on specific causes, meaning they aren't permanent conscious things, but arise and pass as needed.


My Chinese Chan Master told me there are three basic steps to enlightenment:

Let go of all attachments
Let go of all graspings
Let go of self



This is a tricky list when out of context.
The Budha didn't actually teach there was no self.
Only that what you think it is, is not it..

With Love
Eelco

[Catsquotl]

Any opinion as to whether it leaves the spirit of the Buddha message intact or not?

What I get as an interpretation was that the Buddha was hinting at the true nature of things/ putting things in perspective.

In my understanding Buddha' s main message is get to know your reality really really well.
Letting go becomes natural when you pierce the characteristics of whatever you get to know.
Because you see that what you hold on to is subject to impermanence, suffering and therefore not yours.

With Love
Eelco

[greybeard]

What is it Like to be Awake? Great Talk by Adyashanti



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmPTDEvzIM8

[greybeard]

What Does It Mean To Be Egoless?
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Moojiji
Published on 11 Mar 2018
Satsang with Mooji

During a morning walk in Monte Sahaja the question is asked of Moojibaba: "what does it mean to be egoless?" Moojibaba responds: it means LIFE.

In this life-changing and definitive talk Moojibaba explains that what it truly means to be egoless is to transcend the ego and move into the vibration of the God-field. To be without ego is the most powerful thing in the whole world. The one who abandons the ego and plunges fully into the God ocean—this one rises up and becomes a guide in the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmH8SIM4A1g

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Thanks for the video Eelco. The gap between fragmentation and integration, the polarization of people towards either end is growing day by day. It is very true that fear is driving most individuals towards the fragmentation-side. And any spiritual teacher that does work in this way is not helping the world very much I think. The path of integration has much in common with Gnosticism. There are a few good threads on Gnosticism on this forum.
Are you in the Netherlands? If so, "een goede dag uit Vlaanderen!"

[Wind]

Seeker of Truth,
Whatever is born out of time,
you need not be concerned about.
Let life take care of that. Let life take care of life.
Keep quiet and let your mind rest inside your heart.
Don't worry. Right now belongs only to now.
Just be now.
There are no demands, requirements or conditions.
You are simply here.
As you confirm this,
and pay attention to this simple fact,
the whole world becomes a harmony
right in front of you.

~ Mooji

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[greybeard]

It is Possible to Be in Both Worlds ~ Mooji

"It's like you're in this world, but you don't belong to it in quite the same way... you're not pulled into the dramas of life." (Mooji)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKD6esDv1Fw

[O Donna]

In my understanding Buddha' s main message is get to know your reality really really well.
Letting go becomes natural when you pierce the characteristics of whatever you get to know.
Because you see that what you hold on to is subject to impermanence, suffering and therefore not yours.

With Love
Eelco

Agreed.

To further expound on the subject is to quickly realize that 'getting to know' reality is infinitesimal compared to reality itself.


It is Possible to Be in Both Worlds ~ Mooji

"It's like you're in this world, but you don't belong to it in quite the same way... you're not pulled into the dramas of life." (Mooji)



Drama has no life of its own though it appears to mimic it through propagation.

[Catsquotl]

In my understanding Buddha' s main message is get to know your reality really really well.
Letting go becomes natural when you pierce the characteristics of whatever you get to know.
Because you see that what you hold on to is subject to impermanence, suffering and therefore not yours.

With Love
Eelco

Agreed.

To further expound on the subject is to quickly realize that 'getting to know' reality is infinitesimal compared to reality itself.



That's why I stated it's about getting to know your reality really really (really) well.
I think getting to know all of reality is not doable.
That's why he suggests keeping a goal in mind.. There's a lot we know, but not all we know is beneficial to reaching the goal.
The Buddha's teaching are a subset of what he knew, but enough to get us there...

Simsapa Sutta (https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn56/sn56.031.than.html)

With Love
Eelco

[onevoice]

we have:

eye consciousness
ear consciousness
nose consciousness
tongue consciousness
body consciousness
mental consciousness
deluded awareness
All encompassing consciousness


It may be possible the last 2 are later additions
According to the Pali canon there are only 6.(well in the translated parts I studied anyway)
I think it is said that the various consciousnesses only arise based on specific causes, meaning they aren't permanent conscious things, but arise and pass as needed.


My Chinese Chan Master told me there are three basic steps to enlightenment:

Let go of all attachments
Let go of all graspings
Let go of self



This is a tricky list when out of context.
The Budha didn't actually teach there was no self.
Only that what you think it is, is not it..

With Love
Eelco
Catsquotl, perhaps for what you are willing to accept for your spiritual path may be what is only taught in translated Pali canons. I am trying to reach as many people as possible. Learning only Pali canon maybe helpful in an academic sense, but I don't think it has broad applications for the public at large. All the modern Mahayana Buddhist teaching available teaches these 8 consciousness. These 8 consciousness are not permanent of course, but only exist during the lifetime of a person. Even if we don't consider the modern Buddhist teachings, there are considerable research in the psychology field that points to the presence of subconscious mind or unconscious mind. Most people are familiar with the concept of the subconscious mind. The 7th consciousness is that subconscious mind which provides the foundation for the experience of self that most of us strongly identify with. Do you deny the existence of the subconscious mind?

You also said: "I think it is said that the various consciousnesses only arise based on specific causes, meaning they aren't permanent conscious things, but arise and pass as needed." For the first 6 consciousness, I don't agree with your assessment that these are not permanent conscious things. It may be that they are not activated or in use all the time; however, I would say that they are dedicated consciousness aspects that make up who we are while we are alive. For example the 6th consciousness is normally deactivated during our sleep, but I would not say that the 6th consciousness only arise and pass as needed. Similar argument for the first 5 consciousnesses. Perhaps our differences may be in semantics;. so I'm elaborating it further here.

And there are thousands of modern literature that speaks about the soul. The 8th consciousness is equivalent to the western concept of the soul. It is the soul that remembers the experiences of each lifetime, and survives death to become the "seed" for the next incarnation of self. As a simple analogy, the soul can be thought of as the hard drive of a computer that retains programs and data between each power up cycle of a computer. For Buddhist, we strive to even transcend the power of the soul so that the power of the soul is transcended so that we no longer need to be reincarnated again. We can stop reincarnating if we realize that we can let go of the attachments to all these consciousnesses.

In the 3 item list of things to let go, "letting go" does not mean to deny what is let go of. Letting go of self does not mean to deny the existence of self, it is only meant that we need to let go of the attachment to the self in dualistic view. We often experience the world as in "I see a flower", "I am watching a movie."

You said that "The Budha didn't actually teach there was no self." I am not aware that Buddha taught that, so perhaps you could do all of us a favor and cite a reference for this. All the modern Buddhist masters teaches that there is no self. When the Buddhist masters teaches that there is no self, they are not necessary saying that each individual self does not exist. What is taught by modern Buddhist masters is for us to not to attach to the notion that each of exist as an independent permanent self. In the words of the world renown Buddhist Master, Thich Nhat Hanh:


Every authentic teaching of the Buddha must bear three Dharma Seals: impermanence, non-self, and nirvana.

Thich Nhat Hanh also said:


The second Dharma Seal is non-self. If you believe in a permanent self, a self that exists forever, a separate, independent self, your belief cannot be described as Buddhist. Impermanence is from the point of view of space. When we look more and more deeply at the notions of self, person, living being and life span, we discover that there are no boundaries between self and non-self, person and non-person, living being and non-living being, life span and non-life span. When we take a step on the green earth, we are aware that we are made of air, sunshine, minerals and water, that we are a child of earth and sky, linked to all other beings, both animate and inanimate. This is the practice of non-self. The Buddha invites us to dwell in mindfulness in the concentrations (samadhi) of interbeing, non-self and impermanence.

These quotes were extracted from:
http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism/G%20-%20TNH/TNH/The%20Three%20Dharma%20Seals/The%20Three%20Dharma%20Seals.htm

The concept of no-self is one of the central tenet of modern Buddhism. However the concept of no-self can be easily misunderstood. How my Buddhist Master explained the concept of no-self is that there does not exist a self that is permanent and never changes. In fact there is not a physical thing in this universe that is permanent for all eternity. All physical things in this universe is subject to change. In other words, all physical things or phenomena in our world is impermanent and subject to change. Because each of us is changing all the time, there is no permanent, independent self that can exist independent of all causes and conditions.

My objective here is to share my understanding of Buddhism and especially as how it has benefited me in my spiritual path. All of the above are all concepts that hopefully will symbolize and point to the end goal of our spiritual awakening. Buddha taught to not to mistake the finger pointing to the moon for the moon. Zen (Chan) are very difficult to explain and at the highest level not really describable.

With Mettā.

[Catsquotl]

I am pressed for time at the moment.
So will have to get back on some of the finer points.

If we take just the first 6 consciousness. They arise only when a sense base comes in contact with a phenomenon the base perceives.
So with the eye as a sense base and something that makes contact with that base. (color, shapes etc) eye consciousness arises creating a mental formation.
Same with the others. The 6th being mind as base and thought it's realm of contacts..

Also I don't agree with the concept of no self and (at least in the Pali canon) There isn't a sutta to be found (that I am aware of) where the buddha states there is No self.

I have an interest in theravadan buddhism that exceeds a merely academic interest and some personal observations that lead me to think that most of the Mahayana path is a later addition.
Somewhere down the road the clear and concise practices to pierce the 4 noble truths has been enhanced with the idea of the Bodhisattva as the higher goal.

I don't necessarily agree that that is what the Buddha thought.

With Love
Eelco

[Catsquotl]

For an outlook of the self no-self question I have adopted..
Look here (https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/notself2.html).

I will do a search for the relevant sutta's when I find the time..

With Love
Eelco

[greybeard]

It does my heart good to see you guys discussing the teachings of The Buddha, of which I am fairly ignorant..
Much Love
c

[petra]

For an outlook of the self no-self question I have adopted..
Look here (https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/notself2.html).


I was overjoyed to read this part:


In fact, the one place where the Buddha was asked point-blank whether or not there was a self, he refused to answer.

Refused to answer. Awesome.

I'm having an unusually hard time trying to "be myself" and this is already helping me, Thank you!

In regards to enlightenment in general, I've found Ouspensky's "fourth way" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Way_(book)) to
be really helpful too.



The 'Fourth Way' to which the title refers is a method of inner development - "the way of the sly man," as Gurdjieff described it. This way is to be followed under the ordinary conditions of everyday life, as opposed from the three traditional ways that call for retirement from the world: those of the fakir, the monk, and the yogi, which Gurdjieff maintained could only result in partial, unbalanced development of man's potential.


The way of the sly man kind of made me chuckle too. I'm not trying to be sly! I just don't understand the way of the fakir, or of the monk, or of the yogi.

[O Donna]

Self no Self

Language can be such a tricky animal for both the writer/ speaker and the reader/ listener. It's no wonder, to me, that the Buddha refused to answer. Sometimes an answer can unintentionally (or intentionally) validate the invalid and invalidate the valid in the realm of thought.

Self, no self, one is impenetrable, unalterable, while the other is.

I know myself (maybe too well) but that pales in comparison to Self itself.

[greybeard]

Self no Self

Language can be such a tricky animal for both the writer/ speaker and the reader/ listener. It's no wonder, to me, that the Buddha refused to answer. Sometimes an answer can unintentionally (or intentionally) validate the invalid and invalidate the valid in the realm of thought.

Self, no self, one is impenetrable, unalterable, while the other is.

I know myself (maybe too well) but that pales in comparison to Self itself.

Thats right O Donna.
Some need complex--been there.
Now I see its simple.

As you said and implied---SELF is Eternal, unchanging--self is the persona--always changing.
Even before the Buddha Truth was known.
One without a second.
"Events happen
Deeds are done
But there is no doer there off"

The question in the post was addressed to the Buddha as a person--there was no person left to answer. (Thats my thought--not claiming to be right)
One definition of ego is identification with the story of me.
Enlightenment is the removal of ignorance--the ignorance being the though that I am an individual, separate person.

Im inclined to point people toTim's thread as he is alive here and now--so there is no second hand information--his initial post is straight from the horses mouth.
He continues to work. has family.
He is open to answer questions on the thread he started-----just saying.

Love c

[onevoice]

Self no Self

Language can be such a tricky animal for both the writer/ speaker and the reader/ listener. It's no wonder, to me, that the Buddha refused to answer. Sometimes an answer can unintentionally (or intentionally) validate the invalid and invalidate the valid in the realm of thought.

Self, no self, one is impenetrable, unalterable, while the other is.

I know myself (maybe too well) but that pales in comparison to Self itself.

Thats right O Donna.
Some need complex--been there.
Now I see its simple.

As you said and implied---SELF is Eternal, unchanging--self is the persona--always changing.
Even before the Buddha Truth was known.
One without a second.
"Events happen
Deeds are done
But there is no doer there off"

The question in the post was addressed to the Buddha as a person--there was no person left to answer. (Thats my thought--not claiming to be right)
One definition of ego is identification with the story of me.
Enlightenment is the removal of ignorance--the ignorance being the though that I am an individual, separate person.

Im inclined to point people toTim's thread as he is alive here and now--so there is no second hand information--his initial post is straight from the horses mouth.
He continues to work. has family.
He is open to answer questions on the thread he started-----just saying.

Love c

Well put, both O Donna and greybeard. So the self that I was describing as being "no self" in the modern Mahayana Buddhism teaching is that persona of ever changing individual self that most people often identify with.

Love, onevoice

[Wind]

Your Self is like space, but it is not inert like space;
it’s not sterile or dead. It is subtler than space.
The highest intelligence is functioning there,
but it is not personal.
All of manifestation took form inside the great space,
and that fluid dynamic consciousness is a breath arising
also from the great space itself.

Let’s say that the Great Space, being ever only Itself,
wished to taste experiencing, but in order to experience
there must be at least two—the experiencer
and the thing experienced or perceived.
You need a body in order to have ‘two’,
because if there is nothing, there is not even one.
Then, when there is something, there can be one and two.

When you start counting, where do you start?
‘One, two, three…’ You start at one, not zero.
Zero you don’t count.
This place, this space of zero is there before any counting.
‘Counting’ here means any concept, any perceiving,
anything tangible, anything moving. Anything that comes
through the senses or the mind, that is a number
—one, two, three, four, five, six, seven—and you are zero.

It is the most powerful, this zero.
If it was one, then maybe everything would take
their meaning in relationship to that one,
but zero is before relationship.

Your starting place is in zero
beyond the concept of zero-ness.
Everything is born in front of you and you can perceive it,
yet none of it can alter what you are.
The only way it can affect you is that aspect of yourself
that entered into manifestation through this body sense
and began feeling, ‘I am, I exist,’ and became a 'thing',
a number.

The sense of being inside the body, this is also you,
but this one gave birth to the millions, trillions.
This one who feels the sense of ‘I’ and ‘you’
gave birth to millions,
but where it came from, there is no number there.
And it is always connected to the absolute nothing
through some umbilical cord that cannot be seen.
It is one with the One, but this One is also zero.

Through this expression ‘I am’
came the millions of things to be perceived,
but the perceiver, actually, should know itself as zero.
But if not zero, it must know itself as one.

I wonder if you follow?

Because of the zero, the one came.
Because of the one, the billions came.
And the one must be swallowed in the zero
—in fact, the one is the zero appearing as one and billions.
This is the great mystery, but for whom?

If you understand somehow in your heart
my strange mathematics,
it will explain and reveal everything.
All these things are revealed through waves of illumination
arising spontaneously from inside you.
Without effort the awakened one comes to know.
This knowing is the fruit of the primal mind.

~ Mooji

[greybeard]

I am only the Self - Nisargadatta Maharaj -
This is an abbreviated version of the documentary on Nisargadatta Maharaj 'Awaken to the Eternal'. The commentaries of his students have been edited out to create a pure 'Maharaj experience'. The full length version is here: http://youtu.be/_wuVIVMDOPc Subtitles available in English, German, Finnish, and Serbian


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzd0txiRN2E

[O Donna]

self is the persona--always changing.


Persona? Who are you calling a persona?

https://www.fluentu.com/blog/french/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/04/french-idiomatic-expression.jpg

Oh yeah....right. Nevermind....

:ROFL:

[Catsquotl]

As long as I remain in this body I have memories which will always color my perception as if it happens to a self.
Whether that sense of self is illusionary or even non-existent doesn't change that fact.

The knowledge existence is always changing and nothing is beyond decay does not excuse me from acting as if this self-sense doesn't have some kind of worth at this time and place to some living beings who, even though they have their own perception of me rely on my sense of self to remain somewhat stable.

What is it that enters nibanna when all is said and done?
Does piercing the veils of illusion clear all karma?
Who is it that accumulates kamma in the first place..

My ego, my soul, my true self.
Just wider and wider constructs of the illusionary perception that the void at their core is somehow One.
Whilst the very definition of void is emptiness. A vacuum, with nothing at it's center.

A vast open space, which van be experienced, but never understood so we call it god.
We set our selves apart from it. Duality, dvaita
We come close to it. Feel it. limited non-duality vishtadvaita
we merge with it experiencing the void as self... Advaita.

What we control is the way we relate to our experience.
From the ignorant and suffering being, to the gladdened equanimous mind of the sage..
We are That all of That. From whichever point of view we perceive it.

With Love
Eelco

[greybeard]

The content of your mind is not your choice. Sadhguru



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0btJHqGY0l8

[greybeard]

From my own experience its possible to go up and down levels.
So at one level there appears too be choice and certain actions are appropriate and there seems to be cause and affect --therefore karma.
At another level it is seen that life goes on and there is no personal choice--it is as it is.
True I am the totality all of it--but there has to be another also timefor there to be choice.
There is no free will in eternity which is not time endless but no time.

We either accept what the mystics of our time say or not.

Much love
C



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6maAy9ZwtJc&t=908s

[greybeard]

Being as I am in a posting mood--then "back to obscurity"
Followers of Eckhart Tolle will know where that part quote came from.

There was a long period spent following various paths---all sorts of exercises, processes, mantra, yoga, time spent on ashrams--going to talks, meetings with like minded.
Eventually the realization that the path, the search was taking me further way from what I was seeking.
I dident get what the Self realized were pointing to--I was developing a very healthy spiritual ego.

In fairness I made good friends along the way and it was probably all necessary.
The path got narrower till there was no path.

The mind no longer questions, analyses.
The videos still enjoyed but more from the point of the"energy" of the consciousness coming through the speaker.

Ramana said that as long as a seperation was seen then enlightenment would not happen except in rare events of spontaneous awakening.

When dying of cancer he was asked about the pain which was obviously there.
he said "There is pain" The body was not owned neither was the pain.

So as said the standard advice is to let go of all that is not Self.

I am speaking to myself of-course--smiling

With love
c

[Catsquotl]

So as said the standard advice is to let go of all that is not Self.

I am speaking to myself of-course--smiling

With love
c

Yes.. Isn't that paradox just the best.
Letting go of all that is not it..
However. Giving it all away one comes to a center-less center.
A process of self making from one moment to the next.

With Love
Eelco

[Wind]

"The ego may have to be broken to bits, if necessary, to let the Grace enter in, to open a way through passivity replacing arrogance."

~ Paul Brunton

[O Donna]

Eternal return mirrors what it cannot be.

[O Donna]

There is no free will in eternity which is not time endless but no time.


Conceptually, at least, this is true. Free will requires time to function. An event that takes infinitely long to occur simply never happens.

There is no in or out of eternity.

[greybeard]

There is no free will in eternity which is not time endless but no time.


Conceptually, at least, this is true. Free will requires time to function. An event that takes infinitely long to occur simply never happens.

There is no in or out of eternity.

hi O Donna
The challenge is the different levels of consciousness (perception)
To my mind whatever get you (persona) through the day is at least relatively important.
Now and the Eckhart Tolle would let something drop and then qualify--thats true but not helpful.
In the main he is there as a bridge between this level of life and enlightenment.

Now if we go to the gurus guru, Ramana --he said that "There is neither creation nor dissolution" ---
I assume all indras dream.

All is beyond this human mind.

I hope the chat between all here goes on.
This can be a lonely place--smiling

Love C

[O Donna]

What is helpful or not helpful is assumed by the observer.
Is that somehow decided by a guru alone?
If that is the case then the mind as a dangerous master bears fruit.

[greybeard]

What is helpful or not helpful is assumed by the observer.
Is that somehow decided by a guru alone?
If that is the case then the mind as a dangerous master bears fruit.

True O Donna
Nothing is right or wrong till thinking makes it so --William Shakespeare.
Maybe he knew more than the average playwright

The late Dr Hawkins, who was a profound influence on me, said "There is no causality"
Nothing is causing anything else to happen --basically there is potential but the end result is not predetermined.

An enlightened teacher could help to speed up the "process"
Seems the "shift" is a bit like an accident but you can become accident prone.
The ripe fruit so to speak.

C

[Wind]

Paul Brunton E-teaching #58 - A Search in Secret India- Ramana

Chapter IX, “The Hill of the Holy Beacon”

While on the boat-train to Arunachala, Paul Brunton questions whether there is such a thing as destiny as he finds himself strangely guided towards the Marishee. He muses, “Past experience has taught me full well that seemingly unimportant happenings sometimes play an unexpected part in composing the picture of one’s life.” (p.134) From the seat in the bullock cart in which they are riding, the mountain comes into view and PB finds a feeling of awe arising in him.

As his companion guides him into the hall of the Maharishee, he perceives a seated figure upon a long white divan: the Maharishee, in a trance, gazing rigidly through the window. The reception is characterized by complete indifference. (pp.140-141) As the second hour passes, PB becomes aware of a steady stream of quietness, and PB asks himself, “Does this man, the Maharishee, emanate the perfume of spiritual peace as the flower emanates fragrance from its petals?” Questions disappear from PB’s mind.

Later PB has the opportunity to voice his concerns as he asks, “Is there anything beyond man’s material existence.? If so, how can I realize it for myself?” He continues, “Can you assist me to experience spiritual enlightenment? Or is the search a mere illusion? I have questioned the sages of the West; now I have turned my face towards the East. I seek more light.” The Maharishee nods his head, as if to say, “Yes, I quite understand.” At last his lips open, and he says gently, “You say I. ‘I want to know.’ Tell me, who is that I?” (p. 144) After assuring PB that the I is not the body, the Marharishee continues, “Know first that I and then you shall know the truth. Through deep reflection on the nature of one’s self, and through constant meditation, the light can be found.”

PB replies, “I have frequently given myself up to meditation upon the truth, but I see no signs of progress.” “How do you know no progress has been made? It is not easy to perceive one’s progress in the spiritual realm.” “Is the help of a spiritual master necessary?” “It might be.” “Can a master help a man to look into his own self in the way you suggest?” “He can give the man all that he needs for this quest. Such a thing can be perceived through personal experience.” “How long will it take to get some enlightenment with a master’s help?” “It all depends on the maturity of the seeker’s mind. The gunpowder catches fire in an instant, while much time is needed to set fire to the coal.” “Will the Maharishee express an opinion about the future of the world, for we are living in critical times.” “Why should you trouble yourself about the future? You do not even properly know about the present! Take care of the present; the future will then take care of itself.”

PB’s questions continue. "Will the world soon enter a new era of friendliness and mutual help, or will it go down into chaos and war?" “There is One who governs the world and it is His lookout to look after the world. He who has given life to the world, knows how to look after it also. He bears the burden of this world, not you.…. As you are, so is the world. Without understanding yourself, what is the use of trying to understand the world? This is a question that seekers after truth need not consider. People waste their energies over all such questions. First, find out the truth behind yourself; then you will be in a better position to understand the truth behind the world, of which yourself is a part.” Paul Brunton senses that the interview has come to an end.

[Catsquotl]

What is helpful or not helpful is assumed by the observer.
Is that somehow decided by a guru alone?
If that is the case then the mind as a dangerous master bears fruit.

True O Donna
Nothing is right or wrong till thinking makes it so --William Shakespeare.
Maybe he knew more than the average playwright

The late Dr Hawkins, who was a profound influence on me, said "There is no causality"
Nothing is causing anything else to happen --basically there is potential but the end result is not predetermined.

An enlightened teacher could help to speed up the "process"
Seems the "shift" is a bit like an accident but you can become accident prone.
The ripe fruit so to speak.

C

So can we say that some practices are helpful in becoming accident prone while others are "bad" as in that they keep you from having a happy accident?
If there is no causality whatsoever we would never experience the fruits of our labour.
There would not be a difference in trying to live in a somewhat morally accepted way or as a rampage serial killer.

I belief some practises we do can be helpful and therefore consider them as good. Taking a vow of non harm or non killing for instance.
It will help not to see my victims when trying to meditate. And as some forms of meditation make one more accident prone not-killing is good.
As a side effect those close to the supposed victim who now live probably suffer a little less in life.

What a guru does in my humble opinion is that he is a crutch. an object where one can project ones enlightening ambitions and ideas onto.
When the time is ripe.. The Guru will show he or she is not what you think he or she is and in that understanding you will see that you are what you thought the Guru was..

Does that make sense?

With Love
Eelco

[greybeard]

Hi Elico
Its the challenge of language.
Every practice has the potential to bring a result or not, but the results can vary.
The way Hawkins put it.
The seed has the potential to grow given the right environment--ie water soil sunlight warmth--none of these "make" the seed grow.
Even in ideal conditions the seed may grow into full bloom or not as the case might be.

As a criminal I may get caught may get convicted, some one else might geet tried and found guilty when in fact they are innocent--thus Hawkins is saying there is no causality as there is no definite out come. There may be exceptions--I could hit my thumb with a hammer--for sure it would hurt but how much--permanent injury, not a mark--on it goes.

The problem is my quoting out of the context of a whole page or chapter qualifying.

[Catsquotl]

I see...

Language is challenging indeed.
Out of context, when I read causality I immediately think Karma.
A law of causality. Now I am unsure if kamma extends across lifetimes as popular beliefs seem to think.

I do believe in causes and there effects..
The fact that I have working eyes causes mee to see color and shapes for instance.
The fact that Dr Hawkings had ALS when he was alive caused him to be clustered to a chair most of the time.
The cause that computers were already invented made it possible for him to share his idea's more easily.

I see what you or he are trying to say though..
Causes can bring different and unexpected results. As in that a particular cause will not always yield a predictable result.
More often though I think they do..

When you build a house from wood.
Chances are you hit your thumb with that hammer.
Chances are your rood will leak.
Windows can break.. etc..

In the end though you will possibly have a structure that resembles a house and can be entered for a while.

Take the serial killer.
I think there are people out there who meditate and will not suffer seeing the faces of their victims when they have killed.

I think there is a cause and an effect as to why that is..
With Love
Eelco

[greybeard]

When I said Dr Hawkins I meant Dr David R Hawkins Self Realized author of Power vs Force and other books on spirituality (very detailed)
https://veritaspub.com/

Its all levels --one consciousness.

Love c

[Catsquotl]

Ah..

Never heard of him before..

With love
Eelco

[Alanantic]

In the few times I've had "the experience", it was like I was having a lucid Dream. For a moment, I woke up, but was still dreaming. The first time, I was 4 years old. I thought about telling my parents, but I knew I'd be wasting my time. They thought Life was REAL.

[greybeard]

In the few times I've had "the experience", it was like I was having a lucid Dream. For a moment, I woke up, but was still dreaming. The first time, I was 4 years old. I thought about telling my parents, but I knew I'd be wasting my time. They thought Life was REAL.

Good to see your post Alanantic.
Feel free to contribute.

Chris

[Wind]

I have nothing to give you.
I only point to that which has been overlooked
though, in truth, it is the womb of this universe.
It is the resting place, the dying place
and the birthplace of all life.
It is the giver, the creator, the sustainer,
the destroyer, and beyond the dream of all such play.
To humanity, this should be a great news,
a real chance to find lasting happiness,
because it’s not merely news
but an invitation to look within
and discover the one true Self
—the non-dual pearl of ultimate Truth.
Man’s latent desire is to discover that which, in fact,
he can never not be, but yet he remains asleep to this
—a sleep that robs him of his inherent joy.
Let each man come to know
that his true heart is the light of this world.
He must strive to prevent his mind from hiding this.
When he succeeds, his earth will become heaven.

~ Mooji

[Michelle Marie]

When I said Dr Hawkins I meant Dr David R Hawkins Self Realized author of Power vs Force and other books on spirituality (very detailed)
https://veritaspub.com/

Its all levels --one consciousness.

Love c

I LOVE :luv: Dr. David R. Hawkins! :bearhug:

I like to make "message posters" with my pictures I've taken with quotes that are enlightening and inspiring.

Here is one :

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**Click on image to make it bigger.**

I went to a workshop he had years ago in Marin County in California. I love his books, too! They are worth reading over and over. I refer to them a lot.

Lots of love, :heart:
MM

[greybeard]

Hi Michelle
A friend gave me some of his cds on the highest level of enlightenment, that "caused" me to go to America Longbeach California to a seminar of his.
I and several other stayed on in the venue --minutes later he came out from behind the stage and came amongst us, I was fortunate--he shook my handand asked where I was from--he loves the bagpipes I heard.
Seems, so I'm told, that there is a transfer of energy when this happens--this energy stays in the recipients aura---that's a maybe so in my book.
Anyway a long term intense fear of heights disappeared there and then.
I was able to go up in a carousel that evening

All very strange and wonderful.
I read most of his books repeatedly.
He also had a whole years lectures on video, which I got.

All helpful at the time
Understanding of the topic of spirituality is not it--smiling.

Love C

[Wind]

Although personally I'm not into guru worship really, I do see the guidance of certain people as very helpful and important. That's why I post their quotes and watch their videos. I can see and feel if their energy is worth paying attention to and I suppose many people would likewise too. All the sages of the past have shared the same message which our soul yearns to realize. Why does it seem so unusual to the modern man?

I do find it fascinating that most people can feel the aura and presence of certain people who have attained a certain kind of enlightenment or should I say a new profound level of consciousness. Energy can be transmitted too and those holy people have the power to awaken something in people. It's not of their own doing, but if the recipient is ready to be healed and transformed then perhaps an energy exchange can somehow occur through auras. As Chris said, the seed planted in a fertile ground will start to bloom.