Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it. [Archive] - Page 28

Shadowman

20th March 2018, 23:54

Ramana Maharshi says,
‘The ‘I’ removes the ‘I’ yet remains the ‘I’.’
It means the I-consciousness-presence
removes the I-person belief and thereafter remains
the unmixed and impersonal I-consciousness.
This is the paradox of Self-realisation.
This ‘I’ that removes the I-person
does not even have to touch the I-ego.
When a lion enters a room, he doesn't ask those there
to pack their things and leave.
There is only emptiness remaining.
Such is the power of true understanding.

~ Mooji

Yes, exactly. As Chris pointed out there are many ways of expressing the absolute,
however the tools of language/relativity/mind pale in comparison to the direct
awakening to the "Lion's Presence."

During an extended Satori the first term that came to mind was the American Indian
term Nagual - as in the unconditioned Absolute Reality. Hence my plagiarism of the
cover of Castaneda's book The Power of Silence for my Avatar image.

Ken Carey's book The Starseed Transmission's, or at least it's source, eloquently explains
the natural oscillation between the relative/Tonal/manifest and the absolute/Nagual/unmanifest.

It may also remind those whom are likely interested in most matters discussed in this forum
of the nature of their mission/contribution/service during the fast approaching, or if you prefer, increasingly
apparent wild ride of global awakening - and disclosure of "cognitive dissonance inducing" information
for the unprepared.

Our "fall" or "original sin" came about as focus of attention shifted from identification
with the Eternal Self to temporal forms exclusively. The paradox is that both the dreaming
subjective self as well as the dreams objective contents are actually illusions.

The return "journey" therefore requires a shift of focus back to Pure Awareness, to "repent"
(greek -> metanoia -> return to the Source) or to stop "sinning" (greek -> hemartia -> missing
the "point/centre/plenary reality")

I am <that, I am

"Be" <as you are - Ramana

Sammasati

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=ken+carey+starseed+transmissions&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=PpOxWqKwDMjN8ge_xJ_IDQ

http://www.osho.com/iosho/library/read-book/online-library-sammasati-mindfulness-mean-c5be6cc3-ec0?p=e887a211487bc57e82dcb72dda8fe2e0

xxoo
tim

O Donna

21st March 2018, 01:01

Our "fall" or "original sin" came about as focus of attention shifted from identification
with the Eternal Self to temporal forms exclusively. The paradox is that both the dreaming
subjective self as well as the dreams objective contents are actually illusions.

Greetingss tim,

Direct communication with the divine never broken. The dream-mind perceives the divine through perception/ conception leaving it following shadows believed real. "Fall" / "original sin" sits squarely on the shoulders of temporal forms and all that follows it.

(All said in the spirit of a fireside fellowship of sharing)

greybeard

21st March 2018, 18:00

Good to see you visiting here Tim
Much love c

greybeard

22nd March 2018, 10:16

over 800.000 visits and continuing at two thousand to this thread every week.
As Tim has pointed to there is an awakening going on .
Many times I have felt like retiring from this thread and get drawn back as there is perhaps a sense of responsibility to those that read the posts--view the videos.
Of my self I do nothing--there is an awareness of this

All credit to Wind who keeps this thread going.
His thread is going from strength to strength.

Much love to all who visit and partake here.

c

Wind

22nd March 2018, 19:40

Glad to have been part of this journey, Chris. This thread is a gold mine for the soul.

Foxie Loxie

22nd March 2018, 21:41

So glad you keep being "drawn back", greybeard.....Thank you, Wind, for this thread; it is, indeed, "soul food"!(To use a Southern American term) :bigsmile:

Catsquotl

23rd March 2018, 11:44

Felt right enough for sharing.

With Love
Eelco

Samādhi is capable of bringing much harm or much benefit to the meditator, you can't say it brings only one or the other. For one who has no wisdom it is harmful, but for one who has wisdom it can bring real benefit, it can lead to insight.

That which can possibly be harmful to the meditator is absorption samādhi (jhāna), the samādhi with deep, sustained calm. This samādhi brings great peace. Where there is peace, there is happiness. When there is happiness, attachment and clinging to that happiness arise. The meditator doesn't want to contemplate anything else, he just wants to indulge in that pleasant feeling. When we have been practising for a long time we may become adept at entering this samādhi very quickly. As soon as we start to note our meditation object, the mind enters calm, and we don't want to come out to investigate anything. We just get stuck on that happiness. This is a danger to one who is practising meditation.

We must use upacāra samādhi: Here, we enter calm and then, when the mind is sufficiently calm, we come out and look at outer activity. Looking at the outside with a calm mind gives rise to wisdom. This is hard to understand, because it's almost like ordinary thinking and imagining. When thinking is there, we may think the mind isn't peaceful, but actually that thinking is taking place within the calm. There is contemplation but it doesn't disturb the calm. We may bring thinking up in order to contemplate it. Here we take up the thinking to investigate it, it's not that we are aimlessly thinking or guessing away; it's something that arises from a peaceful mind. This is called 'awareness within calm and calm within awareness'. If it's simply ordinary thinking and imagining, the mind won't be peaceful, it will be disturbed. But I am not talking about ordinary thinking, this is a feeling that arises from the peaceful mind. It's called 'contemplation'. Wisdom is born right here.

So, there can be right samādhi and wrong samādhi. Wrong samādhi is where the mind enters calm and there's no awareness at all. One could sit for two hours or even all day but the mind doesn't know where it's been or what's happened. It doesn't know anything. There is calm, but that's all. It's like a well-sharpened knife which we don't bother to put to any use. This is a deluded type of calm, because there is not much self-awareness. The meditator may think he has reached the ultimate already, so he doesn't bother to look for anything else. Samādhi can be an enemy at this level. Wisdom cannot arise because there is no awareness of right and wrong.

With right samādhi, no matter what level of calm is reached, there is awareness. There is full mindfulness and clear comprehension. This is the samādhi which can give rise to wisdom, one cannot get lost in it. Practisers should understand this well. You can't do without this awareness, it must be present from beginning to end. This kind of samādhi has no danger.

You may wonder: where does the benefit arise, how does the wisdom arise, from samādhi? When right samādhi has been developed, wisdom has the chance to arise at all times. When the eye sees form, the ear hears sound, the nose smells odours, the tongue experiences taste, the body experiences touch or the mind experiences mental impressions - in all postures - the mind stays with full knowledge of the true nature of those sense impressions, it doesn't follow them.

When the mind has wisdom it doesn't 'pick and choose.' In any posture we are fully aware of the birth of happiness and unhappiness. We let go of both of these things, we don't cling. This is called right practice, which is present in all postures. These words 'all postures' do not refer only to bodily postures, they refer to the mind, which has mindfulness and clear comprehension of the truth at all times. When samādhi has been rightly developed, wisdom arises like this. This is called 'insight', knowledge of the truth.

There are two kinds of peace - the coarse and the refined. The peace which comes from samādhi is the coarse type. When the mind is peaceful there is happiness. The mind then takes this happiness to be peace. But happiness and unhappiness are becoming and birth. There is no escape from samsāra here because we still cling to them. So happiness is not peace, peace is not happiness.

The other type of peace is that which comes from wisdom. Here we don't confuse peace with happiness; we know the mind which contemplates and knows happiness and unhappiness as peace. The peace which arises from wisdom is not happiness, but is that which sees the truth of both happiness and unhappiness. Clinging to those states does not arise, the mind rises above them. This is the true goal of all Buddhist practice.

- Ajahn Chah

http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Path_in_Harmony1.php

onevoice

23rd March 2018, 12:57

Felt right enough for sharing.

With Love
Eelco

We must use upacāra samādhi: Here, we enter calm and then, when the mind is sufficiently calm, we come out and look at outer activity. Looking at the outside with a calm mind gives rise to wisdom. This is hard to understand, because it's almost like ordinary thinking and imagining. When thinking is there, we may think the mind isn't peaceful, but actually that thinking is taking place within the calm. There is contemplation but it doesn't disturb the calm. We may bring thinking up in order to contemplate it. Here we take up the thinking to investigate it, it's not that we are aimlessly thinking or guessing away; it's something that arises from a peaceful mind. This is called 'awareness within calm and calm within awareness'. If it's simply ordinary thinking and imagining, the mind won't be peaceful, it will be disturbed. But I am not talking about ordinary thinking, this is a feeling that arises from the peaceful mind. It's called 'contemplation'. Wisdom is born right here.

The upacāra samādhi is very much like the "Silent Illumination" method taught by my late Chan Master Sheng-Yen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheng-yen).

Using the "Silent Illumination" method one must first calm the mind, entering samādhi. Then one doesn't stay in samādhi, but keep observing the mind and have awareness of one's mind and the whole environment. The mind is not focused on any one thing. The mind in the peaceful state keeps observing the mind, letting go of any scattered thoughts that may arise. One is not attached to anything or repulsed by anything. One simply maintains awareness, illuminating the mind.

Master Sheng-Yen also admonished his disciples to not to be attached to the absorption samādhi. He also teaches that trying to just maintain absorption samādhi is an attachment without wisdom and we need to let go of this.

Love, onevoice

Alanantic

23rd March 2018, 16:54

tim! We miss you! Long time no hear!

greybeard

23rd March 2018, 16:58

tim! We miss you! Long time no hear!

With Tim its a bit like job done, but good to see him---we certainly can do with more visits from him.--agreed !!!

Chris

Ps I have the greatest respect for Tim on re reading my post it seems a little flipant --thats my weird sense of humor.

To quote a good friend I said to him--"You must admit I have a sense of humor---his response-- (With a sad face)" No Chris, but your parents certainly had!!" I laughed.

I got it.
C

Wind

23rd March 2018, 19:00

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Catsquotl

23rd March 2018, 20:03

The upacāra samādhi is very much like the "Silent Illumination" method taught by my late Chan Master Sheng-Yen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheng-yen).

Using the "Silent Illumination" method one must first calm the mind, entering samādhi. Then one doesn't stay in samādhi, but keep observing the mind and have awareness of one's mind and the whole environment. The mind is not focused on any one thing. The mind in the peaceful state keeps observing the mind, letting go of any scattered thoughts that may arise. One is not attached to anything or repulsed by anything. One simply maintains awareness, illuminating the mind.

In the vipassana style I practice.(Ajahn Tong) Access concentration is considered enough as a base for insight.
In fact absorption is considered dangerous because of the pitfalls..

I am still unsure about it as in most Pali texts Jhana is considered a pleasant abiding as long as we are here on earth. That said without having hours a day to spend meditating deep Jhanic absorption seems near impossible anyhow,

With Love
Eelco

Flash

23rd March 2018, 22:56

A Neuroscientist Explores the "Sanskrit Effect"

MRI scans show that memorizing ancient mantras increases the size of brain regions associated with cognitive function

I spent many years studying and translating Sanskrit, and became fascinated by its apparent impact on mind and memory. In India's ancient learning methods textual memorization is standard: traditional scholars, or pandits, master many different types of Sanskrit poetry and prose texts; and the tradition holds that exactly memorizing and reciting the ancient words and phrases, known as mantras, enhances both memory and thinking.

I had also noticed that the more Sanskrit I studied and translated, the better my verbal memory seemed to become. Fellow students and teachers often remarked on my ability to exactly repeat lecturers’ own sentences when asking them questions in class. Other translators of Sanskrit told me of similar cognitive shifts. So I was curious: was there actually a language-specific “Sanskrit effect” as claimed by the tradition?

What we discovered from the structural MRI scanning was remarkable. Numerous regions in the brains of the pandits were dramatically larger than those of controls, with over 10 percent more grey matter across both cerebral hemispheres, and substantial increases in cortical thickness. Although the exact cellular underpinnings of gray matter and cortical thickness measures are still under investigation, increases in these metrics consistently correlate with enhanced cognitive function.

Most interestingly for verbal memory was that the pandits' right hippocampus—a region of the brain that plays a vital role in both short and long-term memory—had more gray matter than controls across nearly 75 percent of this subcortical structure. Our brains have two hippocampi, one on the left and one on the right, and without them we cannot record any new information. Many memory functions are shared by the two hippocampi. The right is, however, more specialized for patterns, whether sound, spatial or visual, so the large gray matter increases we found in the pandits’ right hippocampus made sense:

accurate recitation requires highly precise sound pattern encoding and reproduction. The pandits also showed substantially thickening of right temporal cortex regions that are associated with speech prosody and voice identity.
...............

Does the pandits’ substantial increase in the gray matter of critical verbal memory organs mean they are less prone to devastating memory pathologies such as Alzheimer's? We don't know yet, though anecdotal reports from India's Ayurvedic doctors suggest this may be the case. If so, this raises the possibility that verbal memory “exercising‘ or training might help elderly people at risk of mild cognitive impairment retard or, even more radically, prevent its onset.

If so, the training might need to be exact. One day I was filming four senior pandit teachers demonstrating the different recitation speeds. Partway into one session all four suddenly stopped. “What’s wrong?‘ I asked. “One of us made a slight error," came the response. "I don’t mind," I said. "Yes, but we do," and they restarted the entire recitation from the beginning.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/a-neuroscientist-explores-the-sanskrit-effect/

In other words, all those hours of meditation on one hand, and of chanting complex mantras on the other ands help your brain and your ability to think, by increasing the brain physical capacity.

OMmmmm

Wind

25th March 2018, 11:35

My life is infinitely broad.
I can be in the dance, yet I am absolutely still.
You are not a one-coloured rainbow,
you can be all of this.
I can go into hell itself and have chai with the devil.
We can hug, because we know
he must do his work and I must do mine.
All this is part of the dance of existence.
Nothing exists independent of the Supreme Power.
Everything you experience, even the difficult things in life,
are your teachers.
The one who realizes the Truth blesses everything.
How can I be overwhelmed by anything that happens?
That is only an idea.
You are the untouched One.
Do not be afraid.

~ Mooji

betoobig

25th March 2018, 14:28

enlightment: being in sync with the wholeness of what you are. Abraham-Hicks
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Much love

greybeard

27th March 2018, 14:14

The knowing of our own being is infinite awareness - Rupert Spira
In this interview Rupert Spira answers questions related to realization, individual character, mistaken projections onto spiritual teachers and more. Some of the questions discussed are: Is personal development necessary for realization? and Does awareness need an individual mind to know itself? This interview is featured in the "Science and Nonduality Anthology Vol.4". From an early age Rupert was deeply interested in the nature of Reality. For twenty years he studied the teachings of Ouspensky, Krishnamurti, Rumi, Shankaracharya, Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta and Robert Adams, until he met his teacher, Francis Lucille, twelve years ago. Francis introduced Rupert to the teaching of Jean Klein, Parmenides, Wei Wu Wei and Atmananda Krishnamenon and, more importantly, directly indicated to him the true nature of experience. Rupert’s first book is “The Transparency of Things”, subtitled “Contemplating the Nature of Experience”. His second book, Presence Volume I The Art of Peace and Happiness and Presence Volume II The Intimacy of All Experience has been currently released by Non-Duality Press. To learn more about Rupert Spira please visit: http://non-duality.rupertspira.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLvjARsbBAI

shijo

27th March 2018, 14:42

Great video Chris,i like this man.

Wind

27th March 2018, 19:28

Just sink into the ocean of Being.
Sit with this.

Use this life intelligently.
Be fully your Self.
Then your love can embrace the whole world,
and not just your family and friends.
You will no longer pick and choose,
and you will not judge.

The Truth is already inside you.
The personality is but a mask.
The Self alone is real.

May the seeds of pure understanding
come into full bloom within your Being.
So be it.

~ Mooji

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28954544_10155787791013962_5959199281012153691_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=8df9266a6915393ccbe409feebf9b410&oe=5B374291

greybeard

28th March 2018, 10:13

The Gradual Rewiring of the Body
Liberating the body from the feeling of being a separate entity

Rupert sometimes speaks of things that some teachers dont.
Mooji is very single minded--no surplus information--you are That--end of story more or less.

One of my teachers Dr Goels (Guruji) was awakened through the movement of Kundalini which changes and strengthens the nervous system in order to carry the higher energy of the enlightened.
Some say this happens before or after enlightenment--Adyashanti speaks of this.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGo8-mSb21Q

greybeard

28th March 2018, 11:06

To See the Whole, You Have to Become Nothing

Satsang with Mooji In this profound Satsang excerpt, Moojibaba leads us through the power of self-inquiry to clarify our true position. Discover yourself as the ultimate witness, who is not disturbed by any of the things perceived. “Don’t ask your mind to cooperate, just look. Out of seeming nothing, something begins to manifest in a way that resonates inside your heart. Stay with it. Quickly, it deepens into an attraction. An urge, a joy—stay with it. It is indescribable, inscrutable. It is not too much for you to bear. You manifested in form in order to discover this.” This video is an excerpt from the Satsang, “To See the Whole, You Have to Become Nothing” https://mooji.tv/online-retreat/febru... Lisbon Satsang Intensive, 24 February 2018

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSfJNbp2fC4

Wind

29th March 2018, 21:23

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greybeard

31st March 2018, 22:24

Why am I not enlightened yet

Rupert has me pinned up against the wall with this
I plead guilty

Ch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVCeCqwAkFE&t=166s

Wind

31st March 2018, 22:45

Haha, it's good to surrender Chris. I surrender too.

greybeard

1st April 2018, 08:18

greybeard

1st April 2018, 10:50

OSHO: There Is No God, but I Have Found Something Far More Significant ...

Im not an expert, I have no intimate knowledge of Self, the illusion remains but not believed to be so, however. I can point to The Self Realized

Ch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQFUpOOINd8

Wind

1st April 2018, 19:00

"That which really is, as opposed to that which appears to be, behind all the countless objects of this varied universe, is one alone, beginningless, endless, the source of all, the parent of the "I"-consciousness. This truth provides the final hope for man. Somewhere along his way he will discover it, act upon it, and be redeemed. This will be his last conversion, his final salvation, his best quest. Then only will the horrors he has contributed to the race's history begin to fade out. All else is utopian chimera based upon wishful thoughts and fanciful imaginations."

~ Paul Brunton

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29512804_1208325895970640_9068006791563830797_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=7577993c9461132b0cd26231bf872fa2&oe=5B6E609D

Wind

3rd April 2018, 11:56

The ego is meant to be there
because without the ego,
there would be no such thing as transcendence of ego.
Therefore, maya is necessary and needed
for there to be self-realisation.
And if there was no ego to transcend,
there could never have been a Christ, or a Buddha,
or a Mohammed, a Ramana Maharshi, or an Anandamayi Ma.
They represent transcendence over ego.

~ Mooji

greybeard

3rd April 2018, 21:52

Tina Rasmussen ‘Living The Enlightenment Drive’ Interview by Renate McNay

conscioustv
Published on Apr 1, 2018
Tina Rasmussen ‘Living The Enlightenment Drive’ Interview by Renate McNay
Tina teaches Jhana Meditation and helps students recognise their deeper nature, both on the cushion and in daily life. She wrote the book “Practicing the Jhanas” with her teaching partner Stephen Snyder. She also worked as an organisation development consultant and coach for more the 25 years and published several books on humanistic business practices.
Tina learned to meditate at age 13 and had been attending long silent meditation retreats. For years she practiced in Buddhist and Non-Dual traditions. She had a natural talent for concentration meditation and undertook an intensive year-long solo retreat during which a profound awakening to true nature occurred. After life-changing experiences Tina felt the strong pull to become a “cave yogi” but as the awakening matured, it was compelling to her to function in the world from an awakened perspective. She was the first Western Women who completed the entire Samatha path including the eight Jhanas and was authorised to teach by Burmese meditation Master Ven.Pa Auk Sayadaw. She is also practicing the “Diamond Approach” by H. A. Almaas. http://www.awakeningdharma.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BbUVzmantU

Shadowman

4th April 2018, 03:07

Oh yes Im surrendered to what is--The serenity prayer.
Surrender to what?
To life--to this --to what is
Self is enlightened but regardless of giving up on enlightenment--its not an event--a shift occurs and to the best of my understanding, the me can not bring this about, cant earn it, cant make it happen.
The me that is the illusion must see that it does not exist.

Perception is flawed,-the, play of consciouses is not consciousness as such--the dance is not the dancer-yet I, as Self, am the totality all of it.
The dream the dreamer-all of it and none of it--form and formless both and neither.
All that I seem to know gets me nowhere.

It would be appreciated if Tim would comment on this post.

Ruperts video "Why am I not enlightened yet" lays bare the frustration felt by the lady.

In the ordinary waking state as well as the dreaming state we take the ego to be real. So habituated has this become it never occurs to us that we are taking this for granted. We then become so engrossed in the endlessly varied objective world, that our attention is always directed outwards, towards the secondary objective phenomena of the “experiences” of this primary, apparently separate “self”, without which, there could be no world (if a tree falls in the forest..., wave/particle duality in quantum physics where the observer alters the outcome)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality

However, once sufficiently “motivated”, we begin an investigation into this entity. Ultimately, what is discovered is that what was thought to be the subjective self, with a particular identity, generally located with the “body/mind”, which is in turn located in a time/space continuum, is in fact a conceptual objective construct, a matrix of thoughts/beliefs/experiences/memories/imaginations, or in summary - an objective creation of the mind masquerading as a “centre” of awareness.

Authentic, consistent practice of “re”turning our attention inwards (Lk 17:21), of “repenting” (Gk Metanoia - transcend or go beyond thinking/mind), ceasing “sinning” (Gk hamartia - To “miss” the “mark”, the real Self), leads to a genuine “apocalypse”, a direct spiritual realisation/revelation, which is immediate, profound and self evident. That realisation is, simply put, your True Self.

Now, whatever was illusory/false, need not be surrendered, for what was never real cannot be given up. We build a limited self with the cage of thoughts and beliefs and false identifications. But once the Self is realised, the mind is no longer our jailer and master, and never was in actuality. Now the unreal is not taken to be real.

Given the constraints and limitations of language, this is often described metaphorically or poetically as enlightenment (that which causes the light of sentience in men) or awakening from a dream, or moksha/freedom (from all illusion/dreams/relativity). Trying to describe the Absolute Self with words, is like trying to show inlanders the ocean by bringing them a cup full of seawater.

Best to find out for yourself.

Metanoia, a transliteration of the Greek μετάνοια, can be defined as "a transformative change of heart; especially: a spiritual conversion." The term suggests repudiation, change of mind, repentance, and atonement; but "conversion" and "reformation" may best approximate its connotation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metanoia_(theology)

meta-

1. a prefix appearing in loanwords from Greek, with the meanings “after,” “along with,” “beyond,”

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/meta

The term hamartia derives from the Greek ἁμαρτία, from ἁμαρτάνειν hamartánein, which means "to miss the mark" or "to err".[1][2] It is most often associated with Greek tragedy, although it is also used in Christian theology.

In tragedy, hamartia is commonly understood to refer to the protagonist’s error or tragic flaw that leads to a chain of plot actions culminating in a reversal of their good fortune to bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamartia

So in Christian terminology, the “original sin”, the eating from the tree of knowledge (identifying with the creations of the mind, including the ego) is what led to the expulsion from the “Garden of Eden”, our True Absolute Self, which is Heaven/Truth/Absolute Awareness/Bliss.

It is true that nothing the ego “does” can lead to awakening, including surrender,however it would be a mistake to interpret this to mean not selecting and practising a suitable/compatible spiritual practice, whereby attention is “shifted” from outer phenomenal appearances to the plenary reality or “Field of Pure Awareness” within (or “in your midst.”)...

Accordingly, the jiva which is mind, is in reality the pure Self;
but, forgetting this truth, it imagines itself to be an
individual soul and gets bound in the shape of mind. So its
search for the Self, which is itself, is like the search for the
sheep by the shepherd. But still, the jiva which has forgotten
itself will not become the Self through mere mediate
knowledge. By the impediment caused by the residual
impressions gathered in previous births, the jiva forgets again
and again its identity with the Self and gets deceived,
identifying itself with the body, etc.

Will a person become a
high officer by merely looking at him? Is it not by steady
effort in that direction that he could become a highly placed
officer? Similarly, the jiva, which is in bondage through mental
identification with the body, etc., should put forth effort in
the form of reflection on the Self in a gradual and sustained
manner; and when thus the mind gets destroyed, the jiva would
become the Self.

The reflection on the Self which is thus practised constantly
will destroy the mind, and thereafter will destroy itself like
the stick that is used to kindle the cinders burning a corpse. It
is this state that is called release.

Collected works of Ramana Maharshi - p 32-33

“Of all yogins, only he who rests his unwavering mind and love in me is dear
to me.” — Bhagavad Gita

“Of the means to release only bhakti (devotion) may be said to be the highest.
For, bhakti is constant reflection on one’s own Self.” — Vivekachudamani

Do not underestimate the power of the Great Wizard of Oz (oz=ounce=matter=mind=ego), you are like Dorothy sleeping in the opium field, or Neo lost in the Matrix, but it IS your destiny to awaken, you have incarnated at an extraordinary time of transition/awakening. It is time for those so inclined to take the Heroes journey, to take a stand in Truth, like Jesus and Buddha before you, unmoved by the temptations and threats of Satan/Mara/mind, to reclaim/return/remember the Source of all that is, and to live in Love. Make a commitment to take at least 20 mins a day for your chosen practice, to strengthen your connection/union with all that IS, for their are turbulent years to come, and those who "build their house upon a rock" will fare the storms easily.

If you have any questions regarding your practice, hit me up on my enlightenment thread, and I will respond as best I can, when I can.

Those who seek to OWN you with the NWO are gradually being exposed to the light of truth, the change is occurring, not instantaneously, as some expected on 21/12/12, but naturally and according to a higher plan. As more and more of you awaken, a hero will arise, and this time that hero may just be all of you who choose love and freedom, over fear and control,

Eternally yours,
tim

(time minus e for ego, lol :-) )

greybeard

4th April 2018, 11:22

Thanks, Tim, for your post which as ever is, appreciated and helpful.
Long may the finger point.
Much love
c

Wind

4th April 2018, 12:46

Thanks for your tim-e and pointings towards the truth, Tim! They are highly appreciated.

Wind

7th April 2018, 12:01

To love God
with all one's mind
and all one's heart
so there remains
nothing but radiant presence
emanating from Him
—unborn Awareness

To be so absorbed in Him
to die in Him while alive
is to be resurrected
in the immaculate presence
and glory of the living God

May our destiny be so

Amen

~ Mooji

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Shadowman

10th April 2018, 01:04

To love God
with all one's mind
and all one's heart
so there remains
nothing but radiant presence
emanating from Him
—unborn Awareness

Hi Wind,

I meant to add the highlighted quote above as a contextual equivalent to the other
quotes in my last post, but somehow I omitted to do so.

It was a nice synchronicity to see you post the very same quote so soon afterwards.

Your posts in this forum are much appreciated and enjoyed. Many thanks for your
consistent and insightful posts showing the "way",

Much Love
tim

greybeard

10th April 2018, 08:46

The paradox is that the One became the many without diminishing itSelf.
So we are That and yet can pray to That--the Ultimate which is what we are.

The mind, at least mine, will never get it
I take on trust, with gratitude, what is pointed to by Tim and others.

c

greybeard

10th April 2018, 18:17

Conscious TV Michael James ‘The Real Behind All Appearances’ Interview by Iain McNay

Michael James ‘The Real Behind All Appearances’ Interview by Iain McNay
Author of ‘Happiness and The Art Of Being -
An Introduction to the philosophy and practice of the spiritual teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana.

’ Michael travelled overland to India when he was 19 to help find some deeper meaning to his life. He discovered the book ‘Who Am I’ by Ramana Maharashi and went to Tiruvannamallai where Ramana had lived to find out more about him.

There he connected with Sri Sadhu Om who had been a student of Ramana Maharashi and ended up living there for 20 years.
He learnt Tamil and translated many books into English.

He is widely regarded now as the principle scholar of Ramana’s teachings and spends his time translating his work. www.happinessofbeing.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iImTYKeZ4wk

Wind

10th April 2018, 20:01

Shadowman

10th April 2018, 22:37

Well, thank you very much for your kind words Tim! It means a lot to me. I don't think I'm anywhere near being enlightened, but I have had my own mystical experiences and I seek freedom, truth & love more than anything. At times I feel great love and peace within my Self. I only follow the guidance of people and beings who are much wiser than I am and they show the path to me too. See my signature and click the name of George Harrison, there's something hidden there.

You are most welcome Wind. It is sensed that you are near beyond needing the advice of outer "wise beings" and will take the final steps with the guidance of the "inner guru" of the great peace and love you already clearly feel within you at times. I used to liken it to what I called walking into or "disappearing into" the "Ocean of Love". As you enter more and more of you becomes "submerged" until only the Ocean/Love/Peace is left.

Very much enjoyed the hidden link and especially the line "Om my Lord" in "Give me Love". George and the Beatles, in my humble view, heralded the beginning of the age of the "Inner Light" and the dawning of the age of Aquarius. An all time favorite growing up was the classic "My Sweet Lord"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP9wms6oEMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ttqE4Bd2fA

Many prophecies speak of the coming teacher of the age, be it the Messiah/Kalki/Maitreya/Mahdi. One can only wonder if the song "Here Comes the Sun" was alike John the Baptist declaring the coming of the Sun/Son. Whether that is an individual appearing or a global awakening remains to be seen - in what is sensed to be the "near future".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS30bEO2aEU

May Love guide you in these coming days my good friend...

1 Corinthians 13 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Way of Love

13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[b] 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

With Love
tim

Wind

11th April 2018, 15:29

That is very comforting to know and beautifully said, Tim. It gives me a lot of hope for the future.

Blessings,
Wind

"We complain that there is no response to our prayer for uplift or light. But that is because there is no propriety in our approach. The intellectually gifted comes with his arrogance and the artistically gifted with his vanity, while each man comes with his pride. The correct approach was described by Jesus: "Become as a little child"; for then we become humble, feel dependent, and begin to lay the ego aside. With that the door to the Overself opens and its grace begins to shine through."

~ Paul Brunton

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Wind

13th April 2018, 14:33

If you live only inside the idea you have of yourself,
you will lose contact with the actuality of life
and be out of synchronicity with the cosmic flow.
If you only live inside the opinions others have of you,
then you will not mature spiritually
and you will cultivate a very unstable or tamasic mind.
But if you reflect upon what you see, hear, feel and observe,
you develop a wisdom and power
to discern the real from the unreal
and awaken to the Self.

~ Mooji

Wind

20th April 2018, 08:30

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greybeard

22nd April 2018, 18:56

The Invitation Toolkit
~ Immediate Awakening for Everyone ~

An Invitation to Freedom is a profoundly clear and direct pointing leading to Self-realisation. This unique guidance arose spontaneously in Mooji during his open Satsang season in Rishikesh, India, 2017. Simple in its language but extraordinary in its capacity to reveal the Real - that is, the unchanging and unborn awareness we are - the Invitation has ignited inside the hearts of thousands of seekers worldwide.

The Invitation Toolkit is a selection of Satsang excerpts which address some of the questions, doubts, insights and experiences that may arise when following the powerful guidance offered in An Invitation to Freedom.
These videos serve to deepen and confirm the direct recognition of one’s timeless Being.

The Invitation

https://mooji.tv/invitation-toolkit/

Wind

22nd April 2018, 21:17

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greybeard

25th April 2018, 06:23

Stephen Snyder ‘The Transformative and The Transcendent’ Interview by Iain McNay Stephen is the co-author of ‘Practicing the Jhanas: Traditional Concentration Meditation as Presented by the Venerable PA Auk Sayadaw.’ He has been a Buddhist practitioner for over 40 years. In the 70’s he read ‘Three Pillars Of Zen’ which started him on his path of meditation and then a few years later he had a significant awakening experience which showed him the nature of reality. He discovered the Jhana path of meditation and found he strongly connected with that. He now works with Tina Rasmussen teaching meditation and is also a practicing lawyer. He has found that it is really important to work on the Transformative and The Transcendent and talks in detail about this in the interview. http://www.awakeningdharma.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXfycMZcEaw

Alberto Manni ‘The Forgotten Jewel of Self Knowledge.’ Interview by Renate McNay
After the sudden ending of an intimate relationship Alberto suffered greatly with painful thoughts and feelings. He saw no way out. This pushed him onto a spiritual path. He discovered the “Gnostic Movement” and dived headlong into this knowledge. After a time when he had found a new relationship he and his partner sold their house, resigned from their jobs, and left Italy to move to South America where the School was based. They devoting their lives to the deepening of their understanding of their inner nature and worked for the good of the School. They loved it. After a time though they discovered some inconsistency between the School’s doctrine and the leaders behaviour. Eventually they left and lost all their friends at the school as nobody would greet them anymore. They were treated like strangers and had to rebuild their lives. What Alberto brought out with him from the School was the teaching of "Self Remembering". When we do not remember ourselves we are asleep, we are not there. The only “real Life” we have during our day is what we do when awake; what is done from a state of Presence. Normally this is about 1%. We can live a whole day and perform most tasks that are required of us without being present or remembering our real selves. Alberto also developed the “Conscious Learning course" for University students of all Faculties. www.spaziosereno.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M504i64Rkfg

Wind

27th April 2018, 15:12

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Wind

28th April 2018, 11:18

Contemplate deeply what I am about to say now.
Grasp it and you will be out of the mind trap for good!

You say you are trying very hard to be the presence.
But that which observes the effort to be the presence,
is that making any effort? The flip side of the ego
is pure awareness. Flick over into the awareness
position in which the effort to be the presence is
seen in much the same way as you would watch
a movie of yourself. The one watching the movie
is separate from the image of himself which is
unreal. There is a natural detachment present.

That which is observing the effort, can it be other
than your Self, the living, unchanging source?
Pay attention to yourself as the serene and formless
seer instead of identifying with the frustrated seeker.
Do you feel the difference?

Confirm your reality here as the formless observing.
You are already the 'somewhere' you are trying
to get to. Be clear about this in your heart.
That's it— job done.

~ Mooji

Wind

30th April 2018, 10:45

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Wind

30th April 2018, 15:05

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greybeard

1st May 2018, 23:02

I use this mantra daily
Ch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SarlTxrAbIY

Wind

2nd May 2018, 10:06

Recognise the natural silence of your own Self.
Silence is not a behaviour. Silence is not a practice.
It is the natural perfume of being.
Trying to be still is not stillness.
Find that stillness inside, which simply Is.
There is no one to practice it.
It can only be recognised.
It is here. It is not hiding. It is not hurried.
Simply stop identifying with the past, future, present
or with any self-image.
Be open to being nothing—no thing
—so that internally you are simply like space.
This is not an inert space,
but a space full of aliveness.
Even don’t define yourself as aliveness.
Don’t define yourself at all.
Simply remain in natural self-attention.

~ Mooji

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greybeard

4th May 2018, 10:45

Mooji Meditation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaWzi16xrl4&t=469s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmpaKkL7pjw

greybeard

4th May 2018, 12:17

Where Do Our Thoughts Come From?
Rupert Spira
Published on Apr 6, 2018
A woman who has noticed that she has no control over her thoughts wants to know where they come from.
From the weekend in Amsterdam - September 2017. For access to the full recording see link: http://non-duality.rupertspira.com/wa...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeCvA15cVOc

turiya

6th May 2018, 01:41

Where Do Our Thoughts Come From?
A woman who has noticed that she has no control over her thoughts wants to know where they come from....

All thoughts come from outside of one's being.

From my experience, the thinking mind is a deep-seeded habit. When one attempts to sit silently in meditation, instantly one can observe that the automaton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automaton)-like nature of this intellectual habit.

From the moment that a child enters into this world, the non-stop programming begins. The child is encouraged to continuously move the mind - a mode of constant thought processes - to continuously move one's mind. This instills within the intellect a deeply seeded habit of continuous, non-stop movement of the intellect. It goes deep. Dreaming in one's sleep is a continuation of this habit.

I refer it to as being automaton-like because the intellect is what can be considered to be one's very own bio-computer. A very useful tool. A bio-computer is a device that accumulates data. Mind is very good at analysis, dissection, categorizing such data. As one lives life, more & more data is assembled, categorized & accumulated as one's own knowledge. Identification of such data as being one's very own knowledge is the basis in the creation of ego.

Language is just one aspect of one's own accumulated knowledge. Hence, all knowledge is accumulated from outside of one's being, and does not arise from within.

Intuitive sense is insight. Insight is exactly what it means. It is seeing which arises from within. Seeing is not a thought. But, that which arises from intuitive insight. Insightful observation transverses through the mind before being expressed in the form of a thought, or thoughts.

When one sits down to meditate, what is first encountered is the seemingly undisciplined habit of the intellect. Constant movement of mind. It will resist being put aside. That's why it is considered analogous to an untamed bull.

It is the veil that covers over one's being-ness. And one's being is the treasure found within. Breaking this habit, ceasing the incessant intellectual movement of thought, and one will experience satori. Moving deeper into meditation, and intuitive knowing through insight becomes more accessible. However, having this as a thought-driven goal to achieve, will result in dead-end frustration.

greybeard

6th May 2018, 09:52

Turiya
Thank you for your post.
Same thing happens with dream--we are not the author of them.

Chris

Wind

6th May 2018, 14:53

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Icare

6th May 2018, 20:27

Excellent post, Turiya, and I quite agree with it.

I think it has become even harder in this day and age, because we all suffer from information overload in some form or other.
One can see it especially in children, many of whom can't even concentrate for more than a few minutes any more and some of them even consider silence as something that needs to be overcome straight away. They actually feel uncomfortable if there isn't anything going on anywhere.

This makes it even harder for them to meditate.

Unfortunately I have also noticed it has become harder for me since I'm
"awake". I find it very hard to find peace within myself right now.

greybeard

6th May 2018, 22:00

Excellent post, Turiya, and I quite agree with it.

I think it has become even harder in this day and age, because we all suffer from information overkill in some form or other.
One can see it especially in children, many of whom can't even concentrate for more than a few minutes any more and some of them even consider silence as something that needs to be overcome straight away. They actually feel uncomfortable if there isn't anything going on anywhere.

This makes it even harder for them to meditate.

Unfortunately I have also noticed it has become harder for me since I'm
awake'. i find it very hard to find peace within myself right now.

Thanks for your post Icare
Yes a lot going on and WiFi waves, Bluetooth everywhere.
To keep my mind still I listen to a Mooji mediation --or some other every day.
Mindless activity that needs some focus also helps --concentration on doing the dishes --walking being aware of surroundings--focused.
The mind cant really hold two thoughts at the same time so focus single minded helps me--I dont talk to the thoughts --dont give them attention--just let them come and go.
They are pretty quiet now.

Chris

Wind

6th May 2018, 22:35

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greybeard

7th May 2018, 00:09

I sometimes use Sacred Acoustic meditation
They have a good free trial download.
Chris

On video
discuss binaural beats and how they can help us with awakening and expanding our consciousness.
Also, talk about NDE's and how we can have the same experience with meditation as well as binaural beats.

Their website: https://www.sacredacoustics.com/

Their book is: Living in a Mindful Universe: https://goo.gl/MpmRhH

Other interview I did with Eben Alexander: https://goo.gl/oRjHWx

My website is: http://www.jeremymcdonald.net/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov4jP4JCm_c&t=36s

Wind

7th May 2018, 17:30

The light within us is there as a potential.
The darkness within us is there as a potential.
Beyond light and darkness is the Reality that we are.
That dark-sided potential can only intimidate
the idea you have of who you are.
It cannot infest or affect your true Self.
What you are cannot be possessed;
what you think you are could be,
for that is weak, not stable.
This is where we become psychologically weak.
This is where fear lives, where resistance thrives,
where insecurity, pride and arrogance sprout from.

These forces will play in the aspect of consciousness
that is its self-portrait as a person.

As your mind continues expanding
beyond the limited, psychological self
back into the brightness of the true Self
—in this crossing over
—the fiercest resistance will likely come.
Strange as it may seem, it is just after
a bright and beautiful insight awakens within
that our deepest fears manifest.

In the moment, you may forget
these are merely clouds passing:
but observe that your Self,
the witness of all,
is unmoving.

~ Mooji

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greybeard

8th May 2018, 19:10

Eben Alexander: Consciousness & Sacred Sound

Neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, MD, author of "Proof of Heaven," talks about the reality of consciousness, following a near-death experience that forever altered his beliefs about life. A presenter at the Near-Death Experiences and Life-After-Death Conference held in March 2014, Dr. Alexander spoke of the importance that sacred sound played in his experience and emphasized that love is what connects us to All That Is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xiRAnYiTQY

greybeard

9th May 2018, 09:36

Exploring the Soul Revelations of Eben Alexander, MD...

Wisdom he brought forth from his 2008 Near Death Experience. Neurosurgeon Dr. Eben Alexander answers questions about consciousness and how the world in it's view point of only seeing an individuals 3 dimensional body keeps us from seeing the vastness of consciousness. By going within through meditation we can begin to explore our own lives and release the shackles of bondage that our 3D mind can put upon us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nknUeK0ios&t=68s

greybeard

9th May 2018, 11:39

ENLIGHTENMENT - Most EPIC SPEECHES Of All Time By Enlightened Beings - Mooji, Eckhart Tolle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mV7LMnZ1kw

Rupert Spira - Your Whole World Appears in Awareness (Beautiful Talk)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raGmx4e2rDE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl1cpf1oCLU

greybeard

9th May 2018, 12:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXuTt7c3Jkg&t=123sSamadhi Movie, 2018, Part 2 - (It's Not What You Think)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQL6qcGqQ0Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIMoxXO0XvM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXuTt7c3Jkg&t=123s

greybeard

9th May 2018, 15:45

Last days- Saibaba speaks about leaving body soon

Follow any teaching---not the one pointing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_o2lsrnN0o

greybeard

9th May 2018, 16:13

Ramana Maharshi

Find Some Time to Watch This because It WIll Help You For the Rest of Your Life!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPmhA-3a5DU

greybeard

9th May 2018, 16:22

Mark

9th May 2018, 19:44

greybeard

9th May 2018, 20:24

Good to see you Rahkyt.
Thanks for your Post.

C

greybeard

11th May 2018, 09:20

Sri Ramana speaks on how to gain will power

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykQIt0VKqsY

greybeard

11th May 2018, 18:42

How to be Calm, Relaxed and Even-minded in all Situations of Life? (Stay Calm in Any Situation!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf7900Zo86A

Shadowman

12th May 2018, 01:55

There seems to be a raising of consciousness in this one--for which I have gratitude.
All of a sudden there is a change of attitude -priorities.
Its subtle but there is a feeling of peace--joy even-- bliss.
Not overwhelming but there.

Less time spent on the usual --my hobby recording, mixing music.
Just content to do simple household tasks--be still, being quiet.

Not by choice---just happening.

Just sharing with love

Ch

That's wonderful Chris, thankyou for sharing...

It's not so much about doing, but getting out of the way and letting our Being flower naturally.
After all, we are Hu man Beings...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/e5/46/dde5464ecf0ed5c76a1724e584a9e5b6.jpg

https://blog.serenataflowers.com/pollennation/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/honey-bee-5.jpg

O Donna

12th May 2018, 06:01

Indetermin-ality

It's an odd thing when outward communication is inward communication (as well)
That talking to you is talking to me.
As Above, So Below
As outward, so inward

Thanks for talking
Thanks for listening

(excuse me while I put another log on the fire, outdoor campfires are the best... bonus point near water)

https://i.imgur.com/AKluAfR.gif

greybeard

12th May 2018, 09:49

Enlightenment Experience - Ramana Maharshi's Enlightenment Experience (As explained by Himself)

Ramana is probably the most respected Guru of modern times

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFzI_ofV4c8

Wind

12th May 2018, 14:46

I'm glad to share this campire with y'all, namaste.

O Donna

12th May 2018, 15:05

I'm glad to share this campire with y'all, namaste.

That's a definite....

https://i.imgflip.com/w878d.jpg

greybeard

12th May 2018, 17:22

Kundalini Awakening - What Will Really Happen if Kundalini Energy is Awakened? (kundalini shakti)

Truth about kundalini awakening! What will really happen if kundalini energy is awakened in a man? The great yogi and Self-realized master Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa explains about the reality of kundalini energy awakening! If you find this video helpful to you, Please SUBSCRIBE to get latest video updates: https://goo.gl/GHCWEi For more spiritual inspiration: facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Supreme-Yogi... instagram: https://www.instagram.com/supreme_yogi/ twitter: https://twitter.com/supremeyogigod Google plus: https://goo.gl/azBHno About Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa (1836 - 1886), one of the most prominent religious figures of India during the nineteenth century, He was a mystic and a yogi who translated complex spiritual concepts into lucid and easily intelligible manner. He was the guru of the famous legendary monk Swami Vivekananda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zvYxw_rikQ

greybeard

12th May 2018, 21:56

Alan Watts ~ Transcending The Ego Illusion

In This Lecture Alan Watts explains on how we can dissolved the Ego Illusion by strict discipline of Spiritual dedication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ7_AFig15s&t=234s

greybeard

13th May 2018, 10:14

Enlightenment Truth - The Most Important Advice Ever! (Enlightenment Advice from Adi Shankara)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZBcAdxjm80

greybeard

13th May 2018, 10:20

We have it easy compared to seekers of yesterday.

Even if enlightenment is not realized there is enormous benefit in listening to the "teachers" of today on a regular basis.
Nothing is wasted on the pathless path.

Chris
Ps best to do it out of love for Truth--not looking for benefits.

Wind

13th May 2018, 12:36

Ps best to do it out of love for Truth--not looking for benefits.

Indeed, my friend. The seekers of Truth are in it for the love of it.

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greybeard

13th May 2018, 20:17

Cidersomerset

13th May 2018, 22:49

everything is made of electricity; that's the same electricity that
makes cold also makes heat and the water itself is nothing more than a
manifestation of electrical energies.

The light of God had come over me as I refused to accept the sensation of
cold and reaffirmed the truth that everything is made of divine electricity

Thanks mate that certainly hit a cord and funny how synchronicity works
I was just listening to a couple segments from Bob Dobbs sat12/sun13/5/18 show
as I do not listen to it as much as I used to for no reason other that there
is so much to research/learn & enjoy and there shows are around 12 hrs long.
Ion the environment that comes through JW says that 'they' are electricity squared
and science does not understand what electricity really is......I cannot find a clip about it.

greybeard

14th May 2018, 07:19

Yes Cidersomerset
Science knows not.
Everything is atoms in movement -even that which appears solid--like a stone.
The question is What holds it in shape?
The un manifest becomes the manifest and at some point returns to the un manifest
Just different vibration of the same energy.

Chris

greybeard

14th May 2018, 19:52

Carolyn Cowan ‘The Mantle Of Grace’ Interview by Renate McNay

Carolyn Cowan ‘The Mantle Of Grace’ Interview by Renate McNay

Carolyn is a Kundalini Yoga Teacher, Teacher Trainer and Psychosexual Therapist specialising in Addiction & Trauma Recovery.
Dramatic early Childhood experiences led her into addiction to Smoking, Drugs & Alcohol. Whatever she tried nothing could kill her pain.
She became a body painter and worked with many famous Artists such as Bryan Ferry, Freddie Mercury, David Bowie and Elton John.

When doing the make-up for David Bowie one day her life changed dramatically.
David took one look at her and told her she was in trouble.
He was at the time himself in recovery and wanted her to get well too.
He encouraged her to attend AA and stay sober.

Soon afterwards she found Kundalini Yoga and started to meditate which has brought great transformation for her.

She says: ‘Sometimes the pain comes on so suddenly and that can be devastating.
When you stay with it ‘The Mantel of Grace’ can descend and you realise that you have taken a step through a door and nothing will ever be the same again.

You can then see how divine Life is here on this Planet.

In the interview Carolyn speaks about Addiction, Trauma and the abstractness of the spiritual journey, and how healing began when she became bored with her own story of suffering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_rjZp0YoWU

greybeard

15th May 2018, 15:23

There are quite a few short videos of various Indian Mystics on the web page linked below--several I have posted

Chris

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCytQ5_IeFYxSpTmUhk2h8HQ?sub_confirmation=1

Wind

15th May 2018, 19:30

Divine Mother
Like the heavens at night
silent and vast
merge my being
in your timeless immensity

~ Mooji

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O Donna

16th May 2018, 00:35

There is nothing more immense then that which knows not its full magnitude, imagination itself cannot reach.

greybeard

16th May 2018, 14:15

Daily talks Ramana Maharshi
Questions and answers

http://inner-quest.org/Ramana_Talks.htm

greybeard

16th May 2018, 16:47

Enlightenment | How to Attain Enlightenment | Self Realization as taught by Lord Sri Krishna!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5pHEXBnRxg

greybeard

16th May 2018, 18:00

If you have watched the Video above "Self Realization as taught by Lord Sri Krishna!"
You will see why I have said that we have it easy.
Not many today could follow faithfully the guidance given by him.
Though it is still valid.

Basically while it is with doubt helpful to go and sit with a Master or any "qualified" teacher,
all that is really necessary is follow the advice of Jesus "Be still and know that I am God"
You are the I am---so Mooji expands by suggesting "Be quiet"
Not easy, but through stillness the nature of the Persona changes--the ego weakens.

Life becomes tranquil yet full, the beauty of life once passed by not -noticed, is now vibrantly alive, easy on the eye, a joy to behold.
Just take time to smell the flowers so to speak.

Priorities change, the feeling of having to--no longer present---no longer being driven to do.
Things happen and are quietly enjoyed.

Chris

O Donna

17th May 2018, 03:33

greybeard

19th May 2018, 17:51

Is Babaji still alive and does Babaji carry a human body?
How can Mahavtar babaji be alive even after 2000 years?
Is the Kriya Yoga that he teaches real and is the kriya yoga lineage authentic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9OThVe92GI

greybeard

19th May 2018, 18:44

Is there a path to awakening an interview with Adyashanti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXl-BMUotwo

greybeard

21st May 2018, 09:43

Understanding your true nature Rupert Spira

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yjvwh7VHLc

Michelle Marie

21st May 2018, 18:49

This Video will Intensify Your Love for God! (The Only Relationship that will Satisfy You!)

Yogananda was my introduction to spirituality with his book" Autobiography of a Yogi" "Divine romance followed"

At that time there were very few books written by Western people and even those few were about Indian Sages.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrGMNWoTKGc

My grandmother introduced me to SRF and "Autobiography of A Yogi" when I was 19 years old. We went to the Hollywood SRF temple. She was the brightest star in my whole life! :star:

His literature and lessons continue to inspire me and enrich my life even to this day (and now I'm a "senior" LOL; our souls are united in sweet communion. My heart is full of love and eternal gratitude to Yoganandaji. I love these messages that you post.

:heart: near and dear :heart:
MM

greybeard

21st May 2018, 19:32

Hi MM way back in time when this Avalon started there was a thread by Kriya ? all about Yoganana--you might like to visit there or even restart--it was a great thread.

For myself I really appreciate your comments and even more so that you visit this thread.
It may seem that I started the thread but im not at all sure that I instigate "my" posts now.
I have had every intention of leaving this thread several times then I see something on u tube and virtually without intention I find myself "automatically" posting it here.
There might be an intention to share but but there does not seem to be a feeling of being driven to do it.
No got to no pressure no desire to keep the thread going---there used to be.

Anyway
Thanks again Michelle your post is most appreciated.
Chris

O Donna

23rd May 2018, 06:32

I call this "If Enlightenment Were"

If Enlightenment were a noun everything would be a verb.

greybeard

23rd May 2018, 10:26

I call this "If Enlightenment Were"

If Enlightenment were a noun everything would be a verb.

Yes an no!!--- smiling.
If you take it to Ultimate.
There is no subject nor object.
No separation--no individual to do anything to no thing seperate.
Beyond my mind to understand.

Eckhart Tolle tends to be a bridge between here and there---few outright statements but he did say
Quote.
" There was never anyone there to do anything to you"

So there you go--smiling.

Love Chris

greybeard

23rd May 2018, 12:34

Enlightenment Experience - Paramahansa Yogananda's Enlightenment (Autobiography of a Yogi)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSRoFfBAzr4

O Donna

23rd May 2018, 21:56

Eckhart Tolle tends to be a bridge between here and there---few outright statements but he did say
Quote.
" There was never anyone there to do anything to you"

Yes, affirmed by:

There is no subject nor object.

But you may have missed my use of 'were' in the analogy.

In fact, 'Enlightenment' is a short analogy onto itself. Neither subject nor object except by way of the mind to assign it as such.

There is no enlightenment (subject) of..........

.........the enlightened (object).

I was being creative with enlightenment as IF it were play-doh in my hands.

P.s. When did the play-doh turned to sand? ;)

https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5777/31137200552_91e7a3b9e3_b.jpg

greybeard

24th May 2018, 14:30

Caverly Morgan - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview

Also see https://batgap.com/caverly-morgan/ Caverly Morgan is a meditation teacher, nonprofit leader, and visionary. She is the Founder and Guiding Teacher of Presence Collective, dedicated to igniting personal transformation and collective awakening. She is also the Founder and Guiding Teacher of Peace in Schools — a nonprofit which created the nation's first for-credit mindfulness class in public high schools. Peace in Schools is pioneering new depths in mindfulness education through teaching youth as well as training educators. Caverly blends the original spirit of Zen with a modern nondual approach. Her practice began in 1995 and has included eight years of training in a silent Zen monastery. She has been teaching contemplative practice since 2001. Prior to her pioneering efforts with Peace in Schools, Caverly formerly worked for nonprofits serving people with special needs. An artist and educator, she brings insight, passion, warmth and humor to her transformative work with students of all ages and experience levels. Caverly leads meditation retreats, workshops, and online classes internationally. She has been a visiting teacher at Open Circle, the Science and Nonduality Conference, Insight Meditation of Seattle and Charlottesville, Against the Stream in San Francisco, MNDFL, and the New York Zen Center of Contemplative Care. Caverly also speaks publicly at conferences on topics including contemplative practice, social entrepreneurship, authentic leadership, and mindfulness education, and has been featured in publications such as Mindful Magazine and The New York Times. She is dedicated to actualizing possibility, serving love, and embodying the truth of interconnection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgXZxMifWao&t=148s

greybeard

24th May 2018, 16:11

I call this "If Enlightenment Were"

If Enlightenment were a noun everything would be a verb.

Got it
Finally the penny dropped.
Thanks as ever.

Chris

greybeard

25th May 2018, 20:59

Conscious TV

Shawn Nevins ‘The Way Of Subtraction’ Interview by Iain McNay
Shawn is author of four books including ‘Subtraction: The Simple Math Of Enlightenment.‘ In the foreword he says, ‘This book answers the question of how to find out the answer to who and what you are beyond any shadow of a doubt.’

His spiritual search ended on December 28th 1999 having started 7 years earlier. During that time he meditated for thousands of hours, fasted, prayed, retreated, met spiritual teachers, and never gave up.

His primary teacher was Richard Rose but he also spent time with Bernadette Roberts, Douglas Harding and others.
His breakthrough came when he read through a transcript of a talk by Franklin Merrell-Wolff.

Shawn’s story has many ups and downs. His sincerity during his search shines through and his many realisations on his path are tangible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDZXZGxsTY

greybeard

27th May 2018, 17:20

Stephen Wolinsky
One of my favorite teachers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87DmQkTvj0Y

Wind

30th May 2018, 12:09

71yjXgUpLWw

O Donna

31st May 2018, 22:08

71yjXgUpLWw

Recognition of silence need not apply.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMLdkulWkAASDs0.jpg

greybeard

1st June 2018, 11:45

Exploring the Soul Revelations of Eben Alexander, MD...

Wisdom he brought forth from his 2008 Near Death Experience.
Neurosurgeon Dr. Eben Alexander answers questions about consciousness and how the world in it's view point of only seeing an individuals 3 dimensional body keeps us from seeing the vastness of consciousness.
By going within through meditation we can begin to explore our own lives and release the shackles of bondage that our 3D mind can put upon us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nknUeK0ios&t=274s

Eva2

1st June 2018, 15:27

Bumped into this on the internet and felt this thread would be a good fit for it. I really liked the simplicity of it.

' A Simple View' Rev. Safire Rose and Ernest Holmes

She Let Go
She let go. Without a thought or a word, she let go.

She let go of the fear. She let go of the judgments. She let go of the confluence of opinions swarming around her head. She let go of the committee of indecision within her. She let go of all the ‘right’ reasons. Wholly and completely, without hesitation or worry, she just let go.

She didn’t ask anyone for advice. She didn’t read a book on how to let go. She didn’t search the scriptures. She just let go. She let go of all of the memories that held her back. She let go of all of the anxiety that kept her from moving forward. She let go of the planning and all of the calculations about how to do it just right.

She didn’t promise to let go. She didn’t journal about it. She didn’t write the projected date in her Day-Timer. She made no public announcement and put no ad in the paper. She didn’t check the weather report or read her daily horoscope. She just let go.

She didn’t analyze whether she should let go. She didn’t call her friends to discuss the matter. She didn’t do a five-step Spiritual Mind Treatment. She didn’t call the prayer line. She didn’t utter one word. She just let go.

No one was around when it happened. There was no applause or congratulations. No one thanked her or praised her. No one noticed a thing. Like a leaf falling from a tree, she just let go.

There was no effort. There was no struggle. It wasn’t good and it wasn’t bad. It was what it was, and it is just that.

In the space of letting go, she let it all be. A small smile came over her face. A light breeze blew through her. And the sun and the moon shone forevermore.'

greybeard

1st June 2018, 15:51

Thanks Jill
Yes very appropriate--simple and the Truth.

Chris

O Donna

4th June 2018, 01:55

From the world of analogies comes....

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/38/44/eb384467d9fc7e85f4b420d4aab1a187--geeks-geek-stuff.jpg

Who deletes the delete-er?
No one.
That is as far as consciousness can go, consciously speaking.

Michelle Marie

4th June 2018, 05:53

Stephen Wolinsky
One of my favorite teachers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87DmQkTvj0Y

Some of the premises early on seem faulty to me. Spiritual practice is not necessarily to "get" something. While still and quiet one may "surrender" one's ego, or personal will, or sense of separate self. It could just be practicing the sense of oneness while contemplating purpose, or wondering about personal purpose or unfoldment. One may consider, personal objectives aside, "What does Life want to do through me?"

At least that's my perspective at this time.

MM :) :heart: :star:

Michelle Marie

4th June 2018, 06:02

Exploring the Soul Revelations of Eben Alexander, MD...

Wisdom he brought forth from his 2008 Near Death Experience.
Neurosurgeon Dr. Eben Alexander answers questions about consciousness and how the world in it's view point of only seeing an individuals 3 dimensional body keeps us from seeing the vastness of consciousness.
By going within through meditation we can begin to explore our own lives and release the shackles of bondage that our 3D mind can put upon us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nknUeK0ios&t=274s

I loved his book, "Proof of Heaven"!

38041

...and this quote.

MM :)

greybeard

4th June 2018, 11:06

Dear Michelle
Spirituality is full of paradox.
On the one hand you already are That--nothing needs be done.
Then the practice of Neity Neith (not this not this) is recommended to reveal this Truth.

The best explanation I read is.
"Enlightenment is like and accident but you can become accident prone"

Hence the advice to meditate and perhaps some other practices.

Stephen Wolinsky maintains that you are not the doer and quotes studies where the action occurs before the the thought and then ego claims I am the author of this.
The statement that "There is no one left to claim enlightenment" is very revealing.
Eckhart Tolle said " There never was anyone there to hurt you" this says a lot.
The separate individual is an illusion

Its all levels.
Eckhart ,on the whole, gives advice to help see you through the day.
He tends to bridge levels.

Nasargadatta did not mess about, very direct, yet again depending who he was talking to the response was subtly different
Ramesh who translated for Nasargadatta was very direct---you are not the doer.
He was fond of quoting
"Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer there of"

Its not an exact science so the mind, always looking for solid answers, cant get it.

As usual--this post is a maybe so--smiling

Much love ch

O Donna

4th June 2018, 17:32

Consciousness OR nothing at all, which oddly enough looks the same. Same same but different but still same.

Just ‘saying’…… :sun:

greybeard

5th June 2018, 18:54

Advaita is Vedanta
Part I of the Trilogy aims to dissolve or deconstruct, (neti neti) all states, stations and experiences.
States of meditation oftentimes become “stuck” points that both “spiritual practitioners”as well as "teachers" unknowingly and habitually nest in.

Zen Saying:, (You never want to nest in any state”). T

he second half on this YouTube focuses and delineates the vibrations "Prior to Consciousness" which both forms and solidifies the illusion of being, through what in Sanskrit is called Samskaras.

If you wish to download the Meditation CD, and/or the Corresponding Booklet and Notes from this film to use as a reference or guide, visit www.miragelibrary.com.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZ4zjeHZAg&t=638s

greybeard

7th June 2018, 22:47

Self Inquiry.
The method I use

Thought comes--- I say
Who had that thought?
I now say --- I did.
Then the response
Which I is this?

Then I be quiet till the next thought appears--then same technique is used.

Im not looking for an intellectual answer
The reason I say "Which I is this?

The (this) I is constantly changing---it is identification with the story of me---ego.
It is the illusion.
The real "I" is constant---silent and aware.

Chris

greybeard

7th June 2018, 22:55

Rays of the absolute

Stephen Wolinsky
Published on May 14, 2015
In November 2007, I left for India with Maurizio and Zaya Benazzo, Philip Safarik and Fred Good to film the legacy of my Guru and Mentor Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. The intention was to interview Maharaj’s closest Indian disciples and his translators. We wanted to check in with them and discuss what for them was the most important teachings and what had happened to them since Maharaj left his body in September 1981.

Words cannot express my love, gratitude and devotion for Maharaj, as, to put it bluntly, “he saved my ass”. Jai Gurudev Maharaj Ki Jaya!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iODc-kIADUI

greybeard

7th June 2018, 22:59

Nothing Comes From Nothing
Excerpts From Advaita Is Vedanta Part 2: Nothing Comes from Nothing.

Over the last three decades, hundreds of questions have been asked which have never been “publicly” answered.
After sorting out all the questions which inevitably repeat themselves again and again, only about 100 questions remained.

Excerpts From Advaita Is Vedanta Part 2: selected about twenty of the one hundred Most Frequently Asked Questions to both explore and clarify.

This video is offered at the feet of my Guru and Mentor Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, whose meetings with him were truly the ultimate “luck-out”.
May Maharaj’s grace and clarity blanket your heart and mind.

Stephen (Narayan) The Complete and Unedited One Hundred Most Frequently Asked Questions from Nothing Comes from Nothing is now available for Kindle at Amazon.com

. All of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj’s books are available through the devotion of Acorn Press (www.acornpressonline.com) or at Amazon.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgmjJ7eu5sA&t=191s

greybeard

7th June 2018, 23:13

Advaita is Vedanta Part 3
Stephen Wolinsky
Published on Jun 17, 2016
Excerpts from Part 3 of the Advaita Is Vedanta Trilogy represents 20 of the 50 Older and Less Frequently asked questions. Advaita is Vedanta Part III begins upon returning from India in 1982 and teaching Kashmir Shaivism and Self-Enquiry. Part 3 concludes with the Absolute Prior to Consciousness, The Absolute Prior to Awareness and The Absolute Prior to the Absolute Nothingness.
Once again, as you watch this YouTube or read the book please keep tucked away somewhere;

“All that is heard, (or that is about to be read, seen or heard)
is non-existent”
- Shankara

Much Love,
Your Mirage Brother
Stephen (Narayan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4JzomejobU&t=14s

Stephen tends to answer questions that other teachers do not.

Any person who is really interested in "I am That" the book on the teaching of Nasargadatta--will appreciate Stephen Wolinsky's devotion to Nasargadatta and the Truth.

Its no small undertaking to listen to and watch these videos but well worth the time taken.

Then I became aware on some level that "I am That"---still work in progress, but the questions have now gone, having been answered from various sources and now it is "be quiet be still" as best I can.

Ch

greybeard

8th June 2018, 08:21

Nisargadatta Maharaj "I Am That" Quotes (Energetic Reading)

Nevillution
Published on Dec 22, 2016
To know more deeply about what Neville Goddard was pointing to when he spoke of the unconditioned "I Am" and fulfilling "The Promise" and Waking from the dream of life. I don't know if Neville knew Nisargadatta.

The world appears to you so overwhelmingly real because you think of it all the time; cease thinking of it and it will dissolve into thin mist.

There is only one mistake you are making: you take the inner for the outer, and the outer for the inner. What is in you, you take to be outside you, and what is outside you take to be in you. The mind and feelings are external, but you take them to be intimate. You believe the world to be objective, while it is entirely a projection of your psyche. That is the basic confusion.

This [helping people] is mere imagination. In truth you do not help others, because there are no others.

In reality there are no others, and by helping yourself you help everybody else.

The real is simple, open, clear and kind, beautiful and joyous. It is completely free of contradictions. It is ever new, ever fresh, endlessly creative. Being and non-being, life and death, all distinctions merge in it

We love variety, the play of pain and pleasure, we are fascinated by contrasts. For this we need the opposites and their apparent separation. We enjoy them for a time and then get tired and crave for the peace and silence of pure being.

All waiting is futile. To depend on time to solve our problems is self-delusion. The future, left to itself merely repeats the past. Change can only happen now, never in the future.

Earnestness is not a yearning for the fruits of one's endeavours. It is an expression of an inner shift of interest away from the false, the unessential, the personal.

Your first task is to see the sorrow in you and around you; your next, to long intensely for liberation. The very intensity of longing will guide you; you need no other guide.

As long as you are engrossed in the world, you are unable to know yourself: to know yourself, turn away your attention from the world and turn it within.

Most of the people vegetate, but do not live. They merely gather experiences and enrich their memory. But experience is the denial of Reality, which is neither sensory nor conceptual, neither of the body nor of the mind, though it includes and transcends them both.

Unless you know yourself well, how can you know another? And when you know yourself, you are the other.

There is nothing in the world that you cannot know, when you know yourself. Thinking yourself to be the body, you know the world as a collection of material things. When you know yourself as a centre of consciousness, the world appears as the ocean of the mind. When you know yourself as you are in reality, you know the world as yourself.

So many words you have learnt, so many you have spoken. You know everything, but you do not know yourself. For the self is not known through words, only direct insight will reveal it. Look within, search within.

How can an unsteady mind make itself steady? Of course it cannot. It is the nature of the mind to roam about. All you can do is to shift the focus of consciousness beyond the mind.

See everything as a dream, as a show, as a film.

Stop hurting yourself and others, stop suffering, wake up. When you begin to question your dream, awakening will be not far away

You are like a child with a lollypop in its mouth. You may feel happy for a moment by being totally self-centered, but it is enough to have a good look at human faces to perceive the universality of suffering. Even your own happiness is so vulnerable and short-lived, at the mercy of a bank-crash, or a stomach ulcer. It is just a moment of respite, a mere gap between two sorrows. Real happiness is not vulnerable, because it does not depend on circumstances.

Weak desires can be removed by introspection and meditation, but strong, deep-rooted ones must be fulfilled and their fruits, sweet or bitter, tasted.

Whenever a thought or emotion of desire or fear comes to your mind, just turn away from it. I'm not talking of suppression. Just refuse attention.

Nothing dies. The body is just imagined. There is no such thing.

What is going on is a projection of your mind. A weak mind cannot control its own projections. Be aware, therefore, of your mind and its projections. You cannot control what you do not know. On the other hand, knowledge gives power. In practice it is very siple. To control yourself, know yourself.

Nisargadatta Maharaj "I am That" http://www.anandavala.info/miscl/I_Am...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djwe0pYR_h4

greybeard

8th June 2018, 09:57

Eckhart Tolle on Nasargadatta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY31Z2KGrOs&t=57s

Wind

8th June 2018, 11:58

The password into this game of existence is
'I am the body'.
All beings purchased this idea first
and the intuitive sense of 'I' became
mere flesh, blood and conditioning.
The belief, 'I am the body, the actions
and the thinker of thoughts,'
is the most costly concept in existence
because it exchanges freedom for bondage.
The concept and feeling of being bound
was then introduced through the mind,
and we bought it.
But you can come out of this.
A quick and direct way out of this game is
through the path of self-inquiry.

Who or what arises here in this body as the feeling 'I am'?
Really try to identify what this 'I' is
so that you become very clear about this.
The sense 'I', which is natural to you,
can it really be an object?
And if so, what is perceiving it?
Can this also be perceived?
Ponder deeply over this.

This is the door that all sages went through into freedom.

~ Mooji

Wind

8th June 2018, 12:48

kCc2LiymHi8

O Donna

8th June 2018, 20:51

greybeard

8th June 2018, 20:58

Ah well O Donna, shades of The Hotel California.

Much love ch

O Donna

8th June 2018, 21:45

Ah well O Donna, shades of The Hotel California.

Much love ch

Speaking of throwing shade, I found the following quote from Dorian Corey interesting:

... when you are all of the same thing, then you have to go to the fine point. In other words, if I'm a black queen and you're a black queen, we can't call each other 'black queens' because we're both black queens.

Peace.

greybeard

9th June 2018, 07:10

Heres one for you in broad Glaswegian (Glasgow)
Gona na do that or similar
Aye youl no
Yes you wont (do that)
means Are you "Going to not do that".

People think Billy Connoly is a comedian--no he is bog standard Glaswegian.

http://www.wow247.co.uk/2015/06/26/things-youll-hear-in-glasgow/

Nothing to do with enlightenment or is it.

Ch

greybeard

9th June 2018, 07:16

kCc2LiymHi8

Premise: Consciousness is an actor.

An actor is never not acting. (double negative)

“You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!” (Check out? ‘who’ leaves?)

Not acting is a sub-title of act.

An actor never leaves; it simply transits to another stage.

It takes a strong person to live/ love a gifted actor. After all, how would one know for sure their actions were/ are not an act? (another double negative)

'Conscous' and 'conscious of' are entangled. Where does one begin and the other end?

“Truth is not an act”, that is a story in itself.

Yes were does it start.
Rupert gave a very well thought out plausible answer but!!!
Bearing in mind there are levels of Enlightenment (different energetic vibration)

Assuming Nasargadatta to be at the Ultimate level
His take is.
There is prior to consciousness---no aware of being aware.

Again definitions of consciousness vary.

Ch

O Donna

9th June 2018, 18:23

Shade does not give light, color. Light is light.
Take it with a grain of salt for it is rumor amongst the shade.

greybeard

10th June 2018, 18:43

David Thomas - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview
David Thomas is a self-realization teacher, speaker, and writer living in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

Through the practice of Jnana yoga and meditation, he has acquired a deeper understanding of the inner self and true liberation.
David now seeks to support individuals in their pursuit of self-realization through his writing and speaking.
The insights he shares within his videos, quotes, and poems are created to help nurture the healing of individuals seeking release from their pain and suffering.

All of his teachings come from his personal experience, so he gives an inside perspective on being lost in ignorance to finding the truth within and experiencing narvikpa samadhi. One conversation with him truly has the power to change the way you see and experience life.
The love and wisdom he radiates is a blessing to all seekers of truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjh0vZnvbo

O Donna

11th June 2018, 04:02

Title: The Game of I am Nothing and Everything. In short, The Game of Everything.

When ‘nothing’ benefits in a practical way it is good thing (e.g. NO death). However, when the opposite occurs, as in a bad thing (e.g. NO Life), few want anything to do with it :bigsmile: ‘Nothing’ is a contradictory term when attachment is applied. Apparently, nothing is good or bad but never both at the same time. What does enlightenment say about them apples? Nonattachment? It is the same in structure as NO attachment/ attachment to nothing.

Paradox, ‘who’ can shake it?

If I am nothing, ‘I’ does not apply and all words erased of the premise. Attachment to I is I-I with shorthand being I.

Nothing changes (things).
(i.e. no everything = nothing; no nothing = everything)

Thoughts?

No thoughts?

No thoughts is at least one thought. :wink:

Wind

13th June 2018, 16:51

We search for God, but He is
behind the very seeker, the seeking and the sought
—the single Being awaiting recognition, but not waiting.
Who will catch this clue?

~ Mooji

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35159194_10155966367583962_8851144860741140480_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=647361c08c4fdd04beba13b7cf3e65b9&oe=5BADA220

O Donna

13th June 2018, 17:30

Catching clues.....
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1287/1481/products/yin-yang-dream-catcher-dreamcatchers-18986449665_2000x.jpg

....with a clue.

greybeard

13th June 2018, 18:00

Freedom Is Our Essential Nature
A man wants to know what becomes of good and bad, free will and coincidence if everything is awareness.

From the seven day retreat in Tuscany 2017. For access to the full recording see link: http://non-duality.rupertspira.com/wa...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeExE-Bmjk4&t=9s

greybeard

14th June 2018, 08:52

What Remains After the Invitation? — Skype Satsang with Brazil
In this profound Skype Satsang with Brazil,
Moojibaba shares in depth the subtle tricks of the mind that can come up after the Invitation, and the importance of being aware of this.
Moojiji reminds us that in following the heart of his guidance, we come to experience unbroken happiness and see that we are already complete
. “It’s very important to really take a little time to reflect on what I’m speaking, because the mind will come up again to remind you that you are a person.

Just stay in the natural experience of the Self. Just stay in the grace of that seeing, that is your loyalty.
I am very happy today, having shared this moment with you
. Keep it inside your heart, this attitude and this resolve, 'I am born for freedom.'
Now you’re beginning to discover the fullness of your true nature.”

This and many other videos can be viewed on Mooji.TV: http://bit.ly/moojitv and http://bit.ly/sahaja-express #Mooji #satsang #spirituality #advaita #nonduality #awakening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwGhYsQsasY

greybeard

14th June 2018, 13:49

11 DEFINITE SIGNS OF KUNDALINI AWAKENING!

Kundalini energy is the energy of your being which sits at the base of your spine, in the root chakra.
It wakes up when you start meditating, visualizing or doing other spiritual activities.
Right before this energy is activated, people usually dream of serpents or goddesses which are the signs of this energy becoming activated.

Many kundalini awakening symptoms result from changes to the nervous system
. It is easy to confuse symptoms from a neurological or biological condition as being due to kundalini awakening.
In either case, symptoms are a sign of healing and of your body trying to maintain homeostasis or to increase your energy.
Kundalini awakening can be overwhelming and terrifying, also it’s very primal and incredibly powerful.
As the energy moves up your spine, like a coiled snake, the experience can be very blissful or it can be very frightening, intense and feel awful.
One thing we can be sure about is when the kundalini is awakened, the life we know will never be the same again.

Kundalini symptoms happen all along the awakening process, before pre-awakening, at spiritual awakening and afterward leading to full-blown kundalini transformation.
Symptoms are produced as signs of physical changes manifesting in the body after each event of quiet mind happens, no matter how long that interval was.
Today we at Spirilution.com discuss 11 Signs That You Are Experiencing A Kundalini Awakening

1. PHYSICAL AILMENTS
During a Kundalini Awakening many individuals suffer from many physical ailments.
Certain Individuals will experience physical and energetic symptoms at this point.
Prana or vital energy moves through the body and clears out physiological blocks, a person may experience intense involuntary, jerking movements of the body, including shaking,
vibrations, spasm and contraction.
As deeply held armouring and blockages to the smooth flow of energy are released, the person may re-access memories and emotions associated with past trauma and injury. Sometimes our nervous system is unable to handle the amount of energy that is attempting to move, and this can show up in a myriad of ways.
Certain symptoms include Muscle twitches, cramps , Energy rushes, immense electricity circulating the body, intense heat or cold and Involuntary bodily movements which occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep.

SPIRILUTION.COM A Kundalini awakening often generates unusual physiological activity as intense movement of energy releases toxins in the body. Other Symptoms include apparent heart problems, pains in head and spine, gastrointestinal disturbances and nervous problems. For certain individuals the experience is slow and steady, for others it’s intense and immediate. The important thing is not to obsess over the symptoms, but find ways to allow the energy to move by healing the body and opening up the channels of energy.

2. KUNDALINI PSYCHOSIS WITHOUT GROUNDING,
Individuals may experience many negative side effects in the beginning stages of Kundalini
. Among the many possible side effects, Kundalini psychosis also known as Kundalini syndrome is one of the most common.

Kundalini psychosis occurs when too much hot or Yang Chi rushes up the spine to the brain and gets stuck there.
Symptoms include intense heat and/or pressure in the head or heart, visual and auditory hallucinations, paranoia, disorientation, obsessive thinking, and insomnia.
These symptoms can persist for days, weeks, or even longer.
Many individuals have been institutionalized in psychiatric hospitals and treated, usually unsuccessfully, with strong medication and psychotherapy during this stage of Kundalini.

READ ENTIRE ARTICLE! CLICK HERE! http://spirilution.com/quad-blog/11-d...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s-v1_8aQeg

Happy to say my K awakening--was spontaneous and still ongoing after twenty years of it starting and stopping.

Chris

O Donna

14th June 2018, 20:53

Most often the simple expression speaks volumes. Flight unencumbered. It's as if 'things' are collected in flight that consequently brings flight closer to the ground. 'Things' and 'ground' attract.

Wind

14th June 2018, 22:05

Due to the light of your own Satsang,
mind may be bringing every demon from hell
to stop you from going through the gate to Nirvana.
Don't worry.
Everyone who has attained freedom experienced this.
Remember and know that God is with you.
There is a passage in the Bible.
In the Psalms of David it says,
'Though I walk through the valley of the shadows of death,
I will fear no evil knowing you are with me;
your rod and your staff, they comfort me.'
Your attitude should be to offer everything up
to the Heart of life, to God, to the inmost Being,
and to hold firm in your resolve for Truth.
This is a mighty existence. Your spirit is mighty.
It will transcend everything.
Rumi, a great saint, once said,
'Whoever brought me here must take me Home.'
Trust this!

~ Mooji

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Wind

20th June 2018, 08:50

Becoming accustomed to identifying strongly with form,
and developing a deep sense of stability and security
from the belief, ‘I have a body, this is me,’
we rarely question if this is belief or assumption.
It is amongst the earliest of impressions
to embed itself in consciousness.
Therefore, in the beginning it may feel ungrounding to find
that the ultimate Self is not a thing, not an object.
Because all objects appear through thought,
belief, time and space;
they have a beginning and an end.
But the Source is timeless and formless.
You are the timeless appearing as time,
the formless appearing inside form,
the unmoving at the core of all movements,
the invisible within the visible.
The Self is closer than intimacy.
In fact, close is false,
because close means some distance
and the Self is distanceless.
In the beginning, we may feel a frustration
because we seek Truth with the conditioned mind,
and the mind only knows, compares or measures activity.
Mind interprets variety, change and objects.
It cannot find or recognise the formless Self,
though the Self alone is stable and real.
Give up trying to find it with the mind.
Be open and receptive.
It is being introduced to you.
Accept this grace.

~ Mooji

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greybeard

21st June 2018, 19:50

Prior To Consciousness - Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj - Part One - Lomakayu

"My earlier talks anybody could understand, to some extent, but my present talks are very difficult to understand.
To become qualified to understand, stay put at that source of your birth.
The talks are spontaneously flowing out. I am not framing them.
I myself am often amazed as to why these types of profound expressions are emerging, and people who listen to my talks are also nonplussed because they are not able to frame any questions based on my talks."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W67Y5tvIZ88

I quite often watch these videos on u tube and use the subtitle facility there.

Chris

Wind

22nd June 2018, 20:54

There must be a direct way to Truth,
because if Truth is only to be found
at the end of some practice, it cannot be true.
It means Truth is limited. It has a condition.
But Truth must always be Truth.
At any moment, under any circumstances,
wherever you are, whichever place you find yourself,
when you really look within,
It, Truth, is always present and the same,
for Truth is timeless and unchanging awareness.
'You' the one checking in will always be different,
for the 'seeker' is himself a manifestation of consciousness
and, therefore, not the Ultimate.
But that which is sought is not in time.
It is timeless. That is You.
Understand that you are already the awareness-Self,
aware of its imagination as a 'separate self' seeking it.

Reflect deeply upon this.

~ Mooji

greybeard

23rd June 2018, 12:47

Georgi Y Johnson ‘The Psychology of Awakening’ Interview by Renate McNay (conscious TV

There are new interviews on Conscious TV site

Georgi is a spiritual teacher and with her partner Bart ten Berge runs an international teaching and healing practice in Nondual Therapy and Spiritual Psychology.
She is the Author of “I AM HERE”, Opening the Widows of Life and Beauty, “Nondual Therapy” The Psychology of Awakening and “Stillness of the Wind” A Collection of Nondual Poetry.

In this interview Georgi talks about Nondual Therapy.
She was involved with her team and students in a shared evolutionary project where they used themselves as guinea pigs to discover the immense healing power of Nondual Qualities of our True Nature.

Nondual Therapy, which Georgi is pioneering around the World is a process which supports the release of energetic contractions in the Psyche which are frozen forms of those Nondual Qualities.

She also talks about the purpose in our suffering, that it is NOT private and inseparable of the suffering of the whole.
Every moment we live the Universe is experiencing itself and how to be free within an experience or feeling.
The Art of living this Life and that Individuality is a precious manifestation of Source in motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BQdbwxWUXc

greybeard

23rd June 2018, 19:00

Two excellent videos.

Eckhart Tolle - The Journey Into Now - BEST SPEECH OF ALL TIME By Eckhart Tolle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR_MY_Oy8Uw

The Work: A Two Hour Intensive | Byron Katie | Wisdom 2.0 2018 Breakout Session

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzYz9CEhuXE

greybeard

26th June 2018, 09:19

Eckhart Tolle Be Still and Know You are God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohq2pPUPCOo

greybeard

4th July 2018, 18:32

For me Spirituality is very practical.
The understanding
I am not the body.
That which brings pleasure can bring pain.
Form comes and goes---nothing is permanent.
Nothing is personal (that idea takes some getting used to)
Everything that happens in life is beneficial
Life just does what it does.
We live in a world of dulaity.
Everything seems to hav an opposite.

In non duality---its a sliding scale --like a thermometer
Extreme heat to absence of heat.
Divine love--absence of love. etc

chris

greybeard

5th July 2018, 13:31

The clue is in the sliding scale of non-duality
Voltage a good way of expressing this.

Dr David R Hawkins expressed in a logarithmic scale of consciousness.
1000 being the highest energy that the human body is capable of containing (in-dweller)

Jesus and the Buddha being of that energy level
Enlightenment is 500 and upwards.
450 is unconditional love

Archangels 40.000 "god" beyond measure.

Yet all of these being of the same energy---just different degrees of it.
Every level of enlightenment feels complete

These figures are from memory which may not be accurate but the principal is to be found in Dr Hawkins scale of consciousness.

This thread was basically started with Dr Hawkins teaching in mind.
His work still valid.

Chris

I found this after writing the post--very interesting

https://nancybragin.com/2012/12/29/dr-david-hawkins-calibrated-reading-list/

greybeard

6th July 2018, 18:29

Chris Bache ‘Diamonds From Heaven’ Interview by Iain McNay

Chris is author of several books including ‘Lifecycles – a study of reincarnation in light of contemporary consciousness research’; ‘
Dark Night, Early Dawn – a pioneering work in psychedelic philosophy and collective consciousness’; and ‘The Living Classroom,’ an exploration of teaching and collective fields of consciousness.’

He is currently completing his new book, ‘Diamonds from Heaven:

A 20 Year Journey into the Mind of the Universe.’ This latest book is a detailed account of 20 years of discovery initiated by taking 73 high doses of LSD. T
his journey was inspired by Stan Grof’s book ‘In Realms of the Human Unconscious’ which convinced him that the entire intellectual tradition he had absorbed was based upon a superficial experience of the human psyche.
He felt he couldn’t turn down the invitation of extending his experience of his mind to have first-hand knowledge of these domains.
In this interview Chris shares some of the boundaries crossed, lessons learned and the experiences he had during this 20 year psychedelic journey.
Categories include: crossing the perinatal plain, the ocean of suffering,
Deep Time and the soul, the Greater Real of archetypal reality, the birth of the Future Human, Diamond Luminosity, and integrating the Infinite.

This really is a very unique interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yewNM9smrqo

O Donna

6th July 2018, 19:15

Everything, a persistent hint.
A perfect cover for which this is one.

As above, so below.

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Wind

10th July 2018, 19:55

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greybeard

14th July 2018, 18:12

Meditation: Our Essential Nature Is Prior to Experience

Rupert Spira
Published on 13 Jul 2018
This meditation explores the empty, loving and unconditionally fulfilled aspects of our true nature.
From the seven day retreat at Garrison, April 2018. For access to the full length recording see link: https://non-duality.rupertspira.com/w...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiTUwJhlwhI

Wind

16th July 2018, 21:33

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greybeard

17th July 2018, 17:12

Reincarnation Explained By Alan Watts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2JShY7d53U

greybeard

17th July 2018, 17:45

Jim Carrey On "Awakening"

Jim Carrey candidly discusses his encounter with authentic Awakening. Recorded at the 2009 Inaugural GATE Event (Global Alliance for Transformational Entertainment) Video was Shot and Produced by Eckhart Tolle TV. Eckhart Tolle TV is an online video network offering of transformational video content featuring Eckhart Tolle & Kim Eng.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIaY0l5qV0c

greybeard

17th July 2018, 18:10

'The Power of Consciousness' - Jim Carrey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2xZe4YBkk

Wind

19th July 2018, 08:08

The light within us is there as a potential.
The darkness within us is there as a potential.
Beyond light and darkness is the reality that we are.
That dark-sided potential can only intimidate
the idea you have of who you are.
It cannot infest or affect your true Self.
What you are cannot be possessed;
what you think you are could be,
for that is weak, not stable.
This is where we become psychologically weak.
This is where fear lives, where resistance thrives,
where insecurity, pride and arrogance sprout from.
These forces will play in the aspect of consciousness
that is its self-portrait as a person.
As your mind continues expanding
beyond the limited, psychological self
back into the brightness of the true Self
—in this crossing over—the fiercest resistance
will likely come. Strange as it may seem,
it is just after a bright and beautiful insight
awakens within that our deepest fears manifest.
In the moment, you may forget
these are merely clouds passing:
but observe that yourself,
the witness of all, is unmoving.

~ Mooji

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Wind

22nd July 2018, 15:18

That which watches your life unfolding,
that is aware of the changeful,
restless nature of the mind,
that is aware of any feelings of pride or insecurity,
or any of these things that come up with the sense
of the person we take ourselves to be,
all that is observed within the same body
—all this is seen.
A looking takes place in which even
the sense of yourself as a person is seen.
Your changing moods are perceived.
Wishful thinking is perceived.
The functioning of the intellect is perceived.
That which is perceiving all these movements,
is that itself moving?
Can that perceiver itself be perceived?

~ Mooji

Bo Atkinson

22nd July 2018, 22:40

I’m reading through many contexts which insist unity is the ultimate, actual enlightenment state, while any trace of ‘selfhood’ will still impart illusory scripts, in part, even if just as microscopic parts, of ‘repulsion’, (the given, primal antonym of unity). This both makes sense and also raises some disappoints, slightly. In as much, that the emotional side of life is so complexly subdivided in highly refined details and obviously not a 100% unified. Also, humans of the past 70 years in my observation, have been very absorbed in emotional energies for the physical plane, such that frankly, human vitality is very unlikely to explore these ideas as an adventure. As i’m older now, it is getting easier to see these ideas and at the same time see much better possibilities for humans to develop emotionally, mentally and spiritually. ( If advanced in an enlightened world of tommorrow).

These source books have been criticized in various ways such as containing too much repetition, but i find the many contexts of unity, as worthy to hear out, through added contexts. Besides the depths are so moving that i remain attentive. These are based on the Pythagorean order of life and beyond. Almost all of these lengthy books discuss aspects of unity, as combined with other deep subjects. I’m finding some reactions to Laurency very mistaken with misquoted or mistaken assumptions, along with offense taken, concerning some of the untraditional information. Besides that, my human style is limited, as all humans are, (as told by laurency.com). Here again, an astounding assertion, that humans actually gravitate, only towards things already touched upon, during previous incarnations, (involving thousands or millions of previous lives). Humanity has evolved so painfully slowly.

The word ‘enlightenment’ is little referred to, as contained in historical criticisms, mostly of the west, but also of the far east, in surprising ways. Sticking out in my mind, is the example of active meditation beyond stillness alone, (though crediting stillness as an important historical step). The source which remains partly anonymous describes a common association of sorts, with Theosophy, except saying that all such presentations, (including others), are all independent experiments, to reach out, to help unify humanity. An endeavor necessitating east-west unity, without authoritarian overlording. An endeavor requiring the free will of man, without spiritual or material interference by lawful- beings, or devas, or gods. (That humans of lower development have just one internal guide who does not flatter the human).… The presentation of law above materiality is riveting. It fascinates my search of things. It is said that only the dark lodge or satanists take the liberty, against cosmic law, to trick or cajole humans.

Chris, If this generally Pythagorean-Hylozoic reference is somehow offensive to your thread, i could delete this post for you. It is a large system with countless contexts, where the the joy is not especially immediate, for fun threads. I offer this with all due respect, while expecting that you welcome diverse profundity, for possible consideration. I cannot imagine how ‘unity’ would clash with a thread on Enlightenment. Yet i am open to further enlightenment on these delicate intricacies. ^__^

greybeard

23rd July 2018, 08:27

wavydome
First thank you for your post.
I have no objection to further posts on the subject.

For myself, my get up and go has got up and gone--my intellect with it--so my ability to hold meaningful debate is no longer sharp and focused.
Perhaps some others would benefit from your continued posts and discuss with you here.

Enlightenment is not fully understood ---mind does not get it.
Some on being enlightened have declared "I am the totality all of it."

Compassion and love are hallmarks of the enlightened.
There is nonjudgmental acceptance of what is.

The late Dr Davis Hawkins and some others have stated that Enlightenment may be seen as Kindergarten there are degrees of enlightenment.
However as far as I can see awareness remains the same regardless of spiritual vibration.
Enlightenment may be ultimate for this world---but not necessarily so ultimately.
Nasargadatta said that some times he is not aware that he exists--that may be a clue.

Regardless in this world the play of consciousness continues---the duality remains at least time being.

Perhaps a look at Tim's thread, initial post, might be worth a visit wavydome

Anyway you are free to post here.
The thread lacks debate and perhaps your posts will provide, inspire this.
Chris

greybeard

23rd July 2018, 12:08

No dimensions and no location........Rupert Spira

I must admit that Ruper Spira has me thinking
The video posted prior is so clear and logical http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1235370&viewfull=1#post1235370

I cannot deny the the rationale of it--one of the clearest I have had the pleasure to post.

No dimensions and no location........Rupert Spira

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpiFIKrk9M8

greybeard

23rd July 2018, 12:48

Thi is possibly a good introduction to the subject

http://www.esotericlaw.com/esoteric-studies-online.html

Chris

greybeard

23rd July 2018, 17:43

Thirty years or so ago I went regularly to Theosophical Meetings---there was a fair interest locally.and we had guest speakers regularly
I found it all very interesting after several years attendance dropped away and we closed the meetings.

Khrishnamurti was the rising star around this time and then enlightenment dawned.
I have a challlenge hearing his words on the u tube videos but a classic from him was whan asked on his secret he said "I dont mind what happens"
There is a lot in that statement.

Anway a video of his

Does God exist? | J. Krishnamurti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjYL448-yY

AutumnW

23rd July 2018, 17:55

Greybeard, Helloo!!

Nice to see you here! I have been thinking about 'the now' and how when you get there, it vanishes. All of our ways of describing it use language and concepts that are still time related.

Those who theorize about a 'timeless space' where things are actually happening 'all at once' are STILL using language and concepts that originate with a concept of linear time.

Kind of sad being trapped this way, with brains that construct reality in the linear. We can't communicate reality to each other any other way, so we can't help but be philosophical fumble bums.

greybeard

23rd July 2018, 18:23

Good to see you here Autumn W
See even thats languaging---
Good to see your written thoughts.
All valid.
We do as best we can.

Chris

Bo Atkinson

23rd July 2018, 20:21

Thirty years or so ago I went regularly to Theosophical Meetings---there was a fair interest locally.and we had guest speakers regularly
I found it all very interesting after several years attendance dropped away and we closed the meetings. . . .

Does God exist? | J. Krishnamurti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjYL448-yY

Yes :)

Krishnamurti provided sort of a liberator’s call. This fits: “Does God exist?” Was he not challenging an ultimate authority, fairly consistently? If my limited recollection of earlier decades serves me. I was gathering just summarized ideas before the internet, going for the greater impacts. Now, with instant computerized reading, with many books and many sources on demand, with freedom to explore widely and far… I see this as the (my) “vital emotional self”, in the making, of the greater self. I was drawn to compelling ideas, with more glitz and perceivable wisdom, which sorts out holographic reality, for my mind.

Esoteric* mapping of “the self”, actually zones out humans into charted ‘selves’, (plural, RE my mentioned source). The math seems to disassociate the selves more like vehicles, which the real self, (remotely), drives around, or borrows or rents(?) for life times. Such that a person thinks his world-bound-awareness is a real, complete self, when it is more like an instrument or car. Where we drive around life’s avenues. The most authentic self, is here said existent, beyond the daily reality. While driving three main car types, the mental, the emotional and the physical, (on earth). I am substituting formal words with crude metaphor, to speed up communication.

I barely began to count the math , unified into it all. There are higher and lower of each of the three self types, plus the three types function in combinations, as triads (threesomes). The main point of which, is the differing types of ‘matter’, of the persons reality— I take this akin to the holographic reality, but radically so. Perhaps the self types are like different holographic aps. Instead of an assumption that it is about “solid matter”. No it is human perception of “matter in motion” or compelling 3d animation, with 5 senses. Which varies according to the triad configuration and the progress a person has made, up to date.

There is more, but Krishnamurti drove me to distinguish how just the matter of being-ness, might transport us, among enlightenments of sorts. I’m thrilled and calmed at the same time…. (Oh, another subject there : )

greybeard

23rd July 2018, 20:51

I tend to just let things be--happen now wavydome.
There was no intention to look for a KM video
This just popped up and seemed appropriate in view of your post.
Glad you got a lot from KM.

Love c

greybeard

24th July 2018, 19:23

What Happens to Awareness after Death?

Rupert Spira for me really clarify s and removes some of my missundertandings.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwRDCj2Qgyw&t=301s

O Donna

24th July 2018, 20:39

Consciousness is infinite in nature as far as it's concerned.
There is nothing that mimics infinity better than consciousness.

A couple nice bread crumbs:

"Patience mimics the power of infinity. And nobody can win a staring contest with infinity. No matter how long you last, infinity is just getting started." - Brandon Mull, Rise of the Evening Star (Fablehaven, Book 2)

“You can’t go on “seeing through” things forever. The whole point of seeing through something is to see something through it. To “see through” all things is the same as not to see.” ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

Bo Atkinson

25th July 2018, 13:21

What Happens to Awareness after Death?

Rupert Spira for me really clarify s and removes some of my missundertandings.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwRDCj2Qgyw&t=301s

If the mind, like a whirl of water, a spirit living in the water framework of human life. If at the end of life collapses. As that funnel narrows and merges. Each water molecule relaxes together. Merged back into the current of the water eddies. Next, slowly returning to the river, like Siddhartha, merging back into the greater whole. (??)

Are we hereby just free of causes and effects? Are lifetimes lessons, of eons reincarnating? Does the subconscious contain just one lifetime of lessons? Or is it not full of kernels from past lives roiling? There to be mastered, if the individual partakes. Somehow gifted by guides, past the societal idiotization?

This thread contains so many approaches which may have spurred a mind to wonder. Yes, after aging past the 60’s the human mind may wind down it’s initiative explorations. Slows the searching for new grounds of adventure. But then, what of the accrued memories, of lifetimes past and the collected memories of the human race? If as such, we are gifted to learn past a 100 years of aging, if we work to manage something more than relaxation.

http://www.aboutorchids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Dendrobium_lasianthera_hybrid_800px.jpg

greybeard

25th July 2018, 15:21

The thread is an evolution of understanding---not claiming to have got it.
Seemingly different approaches but essentially all saying that only consciousness exists.

Thousands of years ago there were teachings saying the same thing
The cosmic dance---Isra's dream--Maya--Samsara The play of consciousness--all words pointing to One without a second.
"Events happen
deeds are done
but there is no individual doer there of."

We are form-formless, both and neither.
There is no way the limited mind (condensed consciousness)will get this/

I tend to point to Tim's thread
you cant beat direct knowing.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

O Donna

25th July 2018, 15:40

Beautifully written, wavydome, and fitting to your namesake.

Tending to express towards analogies of the lofty, what follows comes after reading your post:

Analogy: Thaumatrope cardinal

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/0a/f2/020af28c3eca0b1c6b34352cebddf2bf.gif

Cage: Everything (apparent). Everything, everything, even THAT which thinks of what 'everything' includes.

Cardinal: The indescribable/ ineffable/ ungraspable

greybeard

25th July 2018, 16:10

I think Ramana Maharshi said--more or less--we are at the movies and in the movie.
(all thats real--relatively speaking, is the screen)
We are that screen--the movie could not happen without our presence--awareness.

Every where and no where baby thats where its at.
The words taken from a song seem to point to "that"

Love c

greybeard

25th July 2018, 16:32

Its all different energy levels different vibration of consciousness.
Cause and effect seems very real at one level--the laws of Karma to be respected--what you sow you reap.

At a higher vibration this does not apply--everything is just accepted as what is, and the realization--I am this.
Hence I dont mind what happens --KM quote.

Chris

O Donna

28th July 2018, 03:20

“In the middle of the journey of our life I came to myself within a dark wood where the straight way was lost. Ah, how hard a thing it is to tell what a wild, and rough, and stubborn wood this was, which in my thought renews the fear!” – Dante Alighier

greybeard

29th July 2018, 22:48

Anthony Hopkins Says Religion Saved Him from Alcoholism: 'I Should Have Died Drunk'

Although Sir Anthony Hopkins has won dozens of awards for acting, he recently admitted that his chosen career was almost an accident — and that it was almost derailed by alcohol addiction.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Hopkins opened up about his struggles with alcoholism during a guest talk on behalf of student leadership organization the LEAP Foundation (Leadership, Excellence and Accelerating Your Potential), and revealed that religion saved him from himself.

After admitting that he started acting because he “had nothing better to do,” Hopkins, 80, said his drinking became a problem while working in theater, “because that’s what you do in theater, you drink.”

The Oscar winner conceded that he “was very difficult to work with, as well, because I was usually hungover,” and that the turning point for him came courtesy the advice from a woman at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in December 1975.

“[She said] why don’t you just trust in God?” Hopkins recalled, and that his desire to drink virtually dissolved right then and there, “never to return.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anthony-hopkins-says-religion-saved-194129958.html

Anthony Hopkins - What's The Meaning Of Life | One Of The Most Eye Opening Speeches

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuR5OhK5B_U

greybeard

30th July 2018, 18:40

AWAKENED MAN - THIS SPEECH WILL CHANGE YOU - Russell Brand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l__WLzzR7E

greybeard

31st July 2018, 22:44

I Am............Rupert Spira

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RtAeOf1-Qs&t=41s

greybeard

1st August 2018, 06:15

Top 10 Spiritual Teachers on Youtube (Vol. 3)

Each to their own

Ch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FysGqLHrvNQ&t=236s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p5wo6WTO6o

greybeard

1st August 2018, 06:21

Enlightened Beings Share Their Awakening, Mystical Experiences

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f54jAzYawZk

Wind

1st August 2018, 17:06

"Different terms can be used to label this unique attainment. It is insight, awakening, enlightenment. It is Being, Truth, Consciousness. It is Discrimination between the Seer and the Seen. It is awareness of That Which Is. It is the Practice of the Presence of God. It is the Discovery of Timelessness. All these words tell us something but they all fall short and do not tell us enough. In fact they are only hints for farther they cannot go: it is not on their level at all since it is the Touch of the Untouchable. But never mind; just play with such ideas if you care too. Ruminate and move among them. Put your heart as well as head into the game. Who knows one day what may happen? Perhaps if you become still enough you too may know--as the Bible suggests."

~ Paul Brunton

http://thetravelingdutchman.com/assets/img/banner-alt.jpg

greybeard

2nd August 2018, 10:01

Consciousness is all.......Rupert Spira

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LrPpHUvmVU

Wind

2nd August 2018, 16:12

Don’t know anything at all.
Meet everything in the moment as it arises.
Meet life like this and you are on the road
to true and pure existence
—everlasting joy and contentment.
Then your life is not a series of events,
but more a quality of being.
Start with being empty before you make your first step.
Then, when you make your first step,
see if you leave this beautiful emptiness or not.
When you are so grounded in and as the source,
it won’t matter if you make one, ten or a hundred steps
—in any direction, they will still be steps made
in the silence of being. The one who follows my advice
will find something truly worth discovering:
Discovering yourself as you truly are
is discovering life as It truly Is.

~ Mooji

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36843123_1283304598472769_4217769794339864576_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=15d8e269b5ff0bd71a2fbc38c43848ac&oe=5BCE105A

Wind

4th August 2018, 17:15

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greybeard

4th August 2018, 17:17

As always I appreciate your posts Wind --here and Surfing.
Chris

Wind

4th August 2018, 17:52

Your messages are very appreciated too, Chris. :)

greybeard

4th August 2018, 18:10

I would like to point out that its quite some undertaking for one person to keep this thread going and without the contributions of Wind and several others it would have ceased long ago.
The answer to "Why its long levity?" is probably in my signature.
Thanks for all contributions there too.
Chris.

greybeard

5th August 2018, 21:38

Karma, Destiny And Free Will - Ramana Maharshi - Audiobook - lomakayu

Well worth listening to.
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34TFZItBjA

O Donna

6th August 2018, 05:26

Isn't it 'something' how the consciousness can seem so limiting at one moment and the next it is everything. There are names for something that has that kind of range. The list of names is endless.......

greybeard

6th August 2018, 07:26

Consciousness has no limits--can not be defined--not put in a box constructed by mind.
Form-formless --both--and neither.
Restricted/condensed and totality--and nothing describable.

C

greybeard

6th August 2018, 07:40

I like logic.
Our essential nature is prior to experience.
That's undeniable.
Awareness is consistent--always there --unchanged by that which comes and goes.
Persona is ever changing and is seen to be influenced by events.
Anything that is ever changing can not be truth.
Your essential nature is Self.

Chris

Wind

6th August 2018, 19:33

In the Avadhuta Gita it says:
'The mind is formless like the sky,
yet it wears a million faces.
It appears as images from the past
or as wordly forms, but it is not the supreme Self.'
Then it continues further: 'I am One. I am all of this,
yet I am undifferentiated, beyond all forms.'
You have to have a certain understanding to be able to say
that I am both manifest, and also the unmanifest
and even beyond any category - I am.
Listen as though you yourself are speaking these words
and then see what happens inside you.
Words like these are pushing you back into a place
from where you cannot divide.
A place earlier than mathematics,
earlier than proportions or size,
a place earlier than change and differences.
What within you comprehends the utterances of this?
The ultimate goal of all spiritual striving is
to come into the full recognition of the timeless Truth
and to merge our own individualized sense of self
into the supreme unity or totality.

~ Mooji

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38504061_10156096002123962_4151505539953590272_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=9dc81e43a4ca6ee48a775ef20a6f2772&oe=5C09C162

O Donna

6th August 2018, 20:15

Enlightenment uncontained:

Levity has it's application

Fun with Anagrams:

Mooji - I mojo or in the world of iphones and ipads comes imojo. :)

http://www.garybertwistle.com/uploads/6/3/6/9/63691941/mojo-manifesto-final.jpg

P.s. It's a wonderful thing to be introduced to the works of Mooji, particularly at certain stages of awareness.

greybeard

7th August 2018, 10:20

WHO AM I GUIDED MEDITATION BY THE WORLD'S GREATEST SAGE

Who am I Meditation by the World's Greatest Sage.Close your eyes and surrender all the worries to Bhagwan. Focus on the Self Enquiry guides given in the video. Gain clarity with this meditation technique.Watch all your anxieties wash away, and be centered with the One in you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4t5FquwZCM

Shadowman

9th August 2018, 22:27

Some interesting information on Kundalini, biblical metaphors and associated biology at the following link,

http://www.ontheroadtofindout.ca/fire-and-water.htm

O Donna

10th August 2018, 03:16

The coolest thing about enlightenment is that hypothetically, I could know academically EVERYTHING there is to know about enlightenment and still be unenlightened.

Sometimes I completely get it and then other times I'm left scratching my head; eventually leading to laughing at this crazy thing call I. (I just received a image of 'I' saying to 'me', "it is my pleasure to entertain you" <tipping hat>) :happy dog:

P.s. What can I say? I decided to take the mind on a 'spin'. :)

greybeard

11th August 2018, 19:34

Some interesting information on Kundalini, biblical metaphors and associated biology at the following link,

http://www.ontheroadtofindout.ca/fire-and-water.htm

Thanks Tim
I spent time on Dr Goels ashram 20 years back ans Kundali was awakened spontaneously. prior to that
This the preface to one of his books
They sell for over a £100 now.

Kundali The Liberating Force --which I have.

https://www.exoticindia.com/book/details/kundalini-liberating-force-discourses-questions-and-answers-and-views-IDK142/
Salutations to the Mother Kundalini the Divine Cosmic Energy! You are present in every existing being. You are the supreme knowledge, maya, intellect, memory and delusion. O Devi! You are the mind, the sky, the air, the fire, the water and the earth. Nothing is outside You. You are the Shakti of Shiva. Your Own blissful conscious form gives the shape of the world.

Kundalini Yoga is the most archaic form of spiritual sadhana practiced by Indian sages and saints to achieve Oneness with the Supreme Reality. Kundalini, the serpent power or mystic fire, is the primordial energy that lies sleeping or in dormant state at the base of the spinal column in all human beings. It is also the cosmic power in individual bodies. It is the spiritual potential of cosmic power. It has no form. But the mind has to follow a particular form in its initial stage. From this grosss form, one can easily understand the subtle formless Kundalini. Prana, ahamkar, buddhi, indriya, mind, nerves and all the five gross elements are all products of Kundalini.

Kundalini becomes active, when it is awakened. There are many methods to awaken the sleeping Kundalini, like Pranayama, Asanas, Meditation, etc. all such methods may sometimes lead to complications. One may also become a psychic patient. It can also prove fatal as one feels the urge to attempt suicide without any reason.

To awaken Kundalini Shakti, the safest way is to receive the grace of a blessed Siddha-Guru, who have already merged his identity with the Supreme consciousness, the Shiva, and have become one. When Kundalini Shakti gets active by a Siddha-Guru it automatically starts functioning. Kundalini becomes the master of jiva, whose goal is Shiva, the source of existence.

In this world, despite all that we achieve, we never feel contented and never attain permanent peace, happiness or bliss. Complete fulfillment is only possible when we realize our own self, when the Kundalini Shakti gets aroused in our bodies and the backward journey towards Shiva gets initiated, till one day, with the mercy of Kundalini, the jiva gets liberated from all the attachments with the world.

As this Kundalini Shakti is very powerful, no one else other than Shiva can control this Kundalini Shakti, when it is awakened. Under the guidance of a Guru, the movement of the Kundalini is controlled, the six spiritual centres get slowly pierced, the nervous system gets cleansed and the individual becomes transformed completely. He realizes his own Self at the sahasrara, the seventh spiritual centre and becomes One with the Supreme Consciousness, the Shiva. The main principle is that when awakened, Kundalini Shakti ceases to be a static power, which sustains world consciousness. Once set in movement, she is drawn to its other static centre in the thousand petalled lotus (sahasrara), by merging Herself and the jiva with Shiva consciousness or the consciousness of eternal ecstasy beyond the world of form. When Kundalini sleeps a man is awake to the world, when she wakes up, he sleeps, that is, he loses his consciousness of the world and enters his causal body. In this Yoga he passes beyond to the formless consciousness.

This is the glory of Mother Kundalini who through Her infinite grace and power gently leads the sadhaka from charka to charka and illumines his intellect and makes him realize his identity with the supreme Brahman!

Sadgurunath Shri Siddeshwar Baba was a God-realised Siddha-Guru. Thousands of seekers got their Kundalini Shakti awakened by His Divine Grace. He used to awaken the Kundalini Shakti by the divine touch of His right thumb at the Trikuti of His devotee and sometimes by His gaze. He had even initiated some sadhakas in their dreams.

The book on Kundalini enables aspirants and spiritual seekers as well as those interested in the phenomenon of Kundalini to understand the deeper implications of Kundalini awakening.

The first part of this book contains discourses of Shri Guruji delivered between 14 October 1992 and 15 March 1997 during the Meditation Camps held at Siddheshwar Ashram.

The second part contains queries from devotees about Kundalini Shakti and the answers/clarifications given by Shri Gurudev.

The book ends with salutations offered to the Guru who is established in knowledge and power, who grants both worldly prosperity and liberation, who has made it possible to realize Him and by Whom all this world animate and inanimate, movable and immovable, is pervaded.

I pray to Shri Gurudev and Goddess Mother Kundalini to shower Their blessings on all their loving children, so that Their inner paths open and their search for the final goal, the Supreme Truth, comes to an end, and they achieve birthless and deathless eternity.

Back of the Book

Despite being successful in life and having all the material comforts, individuals constantly crave for the feeling of complete fulfillment. This is only possible when we realize our own self and merge with the source of our existence. This journey towards Shiva (the source) only gets initiated with the arousal of the Kundalini, the primordial energy that lies in a dormant state at the base of the spinal column.

This book is divided into three parts. The first part contains discourses on Kundalini by Shri Siddeshwar Baba delivered between 1992 and 1997 during the meditation camps held at Siddheshwar Ashram. The second part contains clarifications given by Gurudev to the queries raised by his devotees and the third part offers salutations to the 'Guru' who makes the awakening of the Kundalini and the attainment of liberation possible.

This book will be of immense help to spiritual seekers and psychic sufferers. It will interest the lay readers who will gain solace and peace of mind with the knowledge of Kundalini, the liberating force.

greybeard

12th August 2018, 10:38

O Donna

12th August 2018, 15:16

Foxie Loxie

12th August 2018, 15:29

"Yeah, Man!!" :highfive:

greybeard

12th August 2018, 19:52

Sharing is very important.
The worst thing is to think "This is only happening to me"
That leads to all kind of negative thoughts.

Thankfully the spiritual "happenings" in pursuit of Truth are well documented and of benefit

Just about everything that can and does happen is to be found shared in a book, video, even on this thread, which is a resource for fellow aspirants.

Even the shortest post here is of benefit to some one, some where.

Chris

O Donna

13th August 2018, 02:35

Kundalini awakened is a mixed blessing.

On the one hand there have been times for no apparent reason, when I have been tempted to "Take a long walk off a short pier"
Other times just filled with joy of living--extreme highs and lows---much more balanced now.

Ego thinks it can awaken Kundalini then control it---not advisable.

Chris

So I was thinking (something I do on occasion ;) ), and the extreme(s) and balanced examples you cite, Chris, are analogous rides. Both can be extrapolated to a circle with each equal distance from an unobserved 'center'. One can choose to think of one being better then the other and yet they are equal distant.

One could say that jumping out of airplanes (skydiving) and climbing Mount Everest is 'truly living' while another might say gardening and contemplating the miracle of it all as 'truly living'..... and yet........ they are both equal distant.

So in closing, there is no right or wrong answer to questions like, "What does it mean to truly live?" and other deep questions. But I have found amazing adventure within that rival adventures from with out.

greybeard

15th August 2018, 06:49

You could say that everything is a thought in the mind of God
It dosent have to be real to be real.

Dreams are so real...

So the un-manifest becomes manifest and returns to the un-manifsst,
The ocean appears as the wave the wave subsides .
Conscious contracts --condenses is limited--returns to its fullness.

The ebb and flow. of life That which is.
Is-ness This.

C

greybeard

15th August 2018, 10:16

The "I" can't be found as an object......Rupert Spira

When I started the spiritual quest I thought that there would be an enlightened me at the end of it--oh foolish thought --laughing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFS3BWQNt5c

greybeard

15th August 2018, 12:26

Over the years there has been deep investigation of Truth.
At the moment the teaching of Rupert Spira is greatly appreciated.
Rupert gives very clear and to my mind, logical answers to spiritual questions.
It would be very hard to disagree with what he says -points to.
The simplicity of what he says is overwhelming in a very positive way.

However --regardless--- identification with what is done in this life is not that easy to stop claiming authorship for, at least some of it.
It seems obvious the I as the me does the posting --yet I have no real idea what I am going to write.
It just seems to happen--the one finger typing moves acrossthe key board--I can see that Im not making that effort--yet there is a pride in stating this thread and that amazingly it is still surviving--readership continues.

Much love c

greybeard

16th August 2018, 18:01

Gayatri Mantra, Radical Devotion with Sri Mooji

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpLrJBNIoKU

greybeard

16th August 2018, 18:04

Hari Om namah Shivaya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K2yIIE0i08

Wind

16th August 2018, 19:12

No one has ever succeeded in
conveying Truth through words alone,
for Truth is beyond words, learning,
imagination and language. It is unfathomable.
Words like God, consciousness, emptiness,
the Self, the great void, the Supreme Being
inspire and evoke a contemplation, and perhaps,
herein lies their real purpose and service,
but in truth there are no words for that which alone Is.
When and where words come to an end,
It, the What Is, does not begin.
It is there in the space between two thoughts,
but it is also there during the appearing of thoughts.
Contemplate this.

~ Mooji

greybeard

17th August 2018, 18:29

Rays of the Absolute (the Legacy of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)

I posted this before but worth a revisit.
Love C

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugK51abLMtI

greybeard

17th August 2018, 21:04

And
Nisargadatta Maharaj - Awaken To The Eternal (Full)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfR52Rx2X6o

greybeard

20th August 2018, 15:31

Who Wants To Know What? - Ramesh Balsekar -- Courtesy of advaita.org

The reknowned advaita master and teacher, Ramesh Balsekar in his first ever interview. In English w/ Spanish sub-titles Conducted by Advaita Fellowship co-founder Rifka Hirsch. Recorded in 1988 in Hermosa Beach, California

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fByNIZWwm4&pbjreload=10

Wind

20th August 2018, 17:30

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ArchAeon

20th August 2018, 18:28

Greetings,

To be bold and simple, the "Ego" is just self awareness; there is nothing wrong with the "Ego". We became self aware the moment we learned that we loved ourselves as apart of source, this occurred from the highest dimension/s; however, this is also where free will does exist. In fact, the great story of the fall of "angels" is actually the creation of free will. Choosing anything besides the path of perfection means to choose to live in a lower vibration, thus not being directly apart/on the same vibration of perfect love/source. This is also why, if you happen to reach a state of perfection in a physical existence, you will, quite literally, ascend off of the planet. This is what happen with Enoch/Elijah.

greybeard

20th August 2018, 18:47

greybeard

20th August 2018, 19:50

"Everything Is Predetermined" Einstein and Ramana Maharshi - Gary Weber

Gary Weber
Published on 21 Dec 2010
Both Einstein and Ramana Maharshi made almost identical statements that "everything is predetermined".
Nobel Laureates Eugene Wigner and Francis Crick (co-discoverer of DNA) made similar statements.

The ground-breaking experimental work of Libet and many contemporary cognitive neuroscientists support these statements.

This is the first part of a presentation at the Science and Non-Duality Conference in San Rafael, CA in October 2009.
The second part is covered in the video "Intelligence Choice is Impossible"; the third and last part is covered in "You Are Not In Control".

There is a new video "Predestination, free will, control and the illusion of time" which explains much on these concepts.

There is a blogpost "The impossibility of 'free will'...scientifically and logically" @ http://happinessbeyondthought.blogspo... which gives the latest science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqLDWyk1uLQ

greybeard

20th August 2018, 20:03

Intelligent Choice Is Impossible - Gary Weber
Employs contemporary genetics, complex systems mathematics, and current cognitive neuroscience studies on problem solving to demonstrate that intelligent, meaningful, conscious choice is impossible and is an illusion.

Second part of presentation on "Ramana Maharshi and Einstein on Free Will" from the Science and NonDuality Conference in October 2009 in San Rafael, CA.
The first part is covered in the video "Everything is predetermined: Einstein and Ramana Maharshi",

The third part is covered in "You Are Not In Control".
There is a new video "Predestination, free will, control and the illusion of time" which explains much on these concepts.

Useful links for more information: Gary Weber Website: http://www.happiness-beyond-thought.com Blog: http://happinessbeyondthought.blogspo... YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/gudakesh... MP3 Downloads: http://happiness-beyond-thought.com/d... Soundcloud Channel: https://soundcloud.com/gary_weber Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gary.weber.528 See http://happiness-beyond-thought.com/a... for more links to interviews and articles and information. Books 1) Happiness Beyond Thought: A Practical Guide to Awakening Free Scribd.com version: http://www.scribd.com/doc/113131786/H... Paperback version available on amazon.com 2) Dancing Beyond Thought: Bhagavad Gita Verses and Dialogues on Awakening Free version: http://happiness-beyond-thought.com/d...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tijbWiTPHg

Obviously the ego wants none of this.
Is it true?
I can only say "May be so"

Chris

Wind

20th August 2018, 21:46

"To practise living in the world and yet not being of it involves becoming a spectator not only of the world but also of oneself. To the extent that he gets lost in the world-experience, to that extent he loses this deeper self-awareness."

"To say that he becomes a detached spectator of the world is not wholly true, for a part remains there but he keeps a certain distance from it. This is not possible for the materialistic man, as his personal involvement with the world is complete. I use the term "materialistic" here as referring to one who has not awakened to the truth or once experienced a glimpse. The situation is plainly to be seen in most theatrical actors. They become the part they play during the time of a performance but they do not wholly forget who they really are."

~ Paul Brunton

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37147507_1289784317824797_4079028267481300992_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=a08ecdc6b4fdf31d872d381cb25ca081&oe=5C00AE98

O Donna

21st August 2018, 05:08

There is no we without consciousness, without ego, and subsequently this post.

The best thing about all of this is discovering (like the most brilliant sunrise ever) what the best thing really is. It can only truly be given out in clues. As I finished the last sentence while lingering on the words 'clues', I realized that this is yet another example of a 'game'. And remember, a game is defined by its parameters and anything can be turned into a game it seems, not just the traditional game play.

(I hope the spirit of the message arrives as intended)

https://dreamingwithdolphinsdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/twin-soul-heavely-hug-3.png?w=700&h=700

Franny

21st August 2018, 05:23

Another version of Gyatri Mantra with Deva Primal - I like leaving it on and listening as well as meditation with it. Enjoy...

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This one is nice for listening in the background, so peaceful. The picture is misleading, it's not boys singing :)

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greybeard

21st August 2018, 08:10

Good to see you here latte
I recite the Gayatri every night before sleeping.
Here is one translation--there are numerous

"The earth the sky the heaven
That Divine effulgence that we all adore.
I contemplate on your Divine glory
Please help me illumine my intellect."

Much love
c

greybeard

21st August 2018, 08:44

Gary Weber - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview
Also see http://batgap.com/gary-weber/

Biographies seem to be of intense interest to many folk. It is not clear what purpose they serve, positive or negative, but as others include them, here is one. It is important to remember that a biography is only one version of the story, always remembered incorrectly, even if the intent is "total" honesty. Recent brain studies have shown that the brain modifies long-term memories and that they are not what was actually recorded by the mind, which was already highly subjective and selective. It is in the third person as it really didn't happen to "me". The author was raised in a devout Methodist home and through early adolescence was involved in religious affairs, giving annual religious talks. From early adolescence until late twenties, he went through a secular life with marriage, two children, undergraduate school, military service, and then graduate school. Following a near-death experience in the military, he became intent on deeply exploring what was possible to bring understanding to life, to personally experience "enlightenment", and to end the mental turmoil and suffering he experienced and saw in those around him. One day, reading what turned out to be a famous Zen poem that he had happened upon "by accident", the normal world fell away and he was in a state never before experienced and beyond any context he knew. After some time the state passed, but he was left with a burning desire to return to whatever it was that he had experienced. He went deeply into Zen meditation, and then various yogas, first so that he could sit for longer periods and then to work with the body to further inquiry. When he finished graduate school and became a scientist at a national research center, he continued to take teachers' training courses and studied with different yoga and Zen teachers and philosophers. Arising daily, hours before work, he would meditate and do yoga asanas, and at night would meditate, do yoga and read philosophy. Several times, he taught yoga and meditation wherever he was, but, despite the interest of the students, he would ultimately stop as he knew that he had not achieved full understanding. This process continued for over 25 years through a series of jobs in different industrial companies eventually reaching the senior executive level of a major company with 1000 folk, 4 research laboratories and a budget of $260M; children were raised, went off to college, etc. During this time, there were many experiences and "enlightenments", but nothing that was lasting, that really touched the core of reality or that ended the suffering brought about by thought. One day, after having consciously surrendered every attachment, and given up completely on being able to reach the final understanding "by his efforts", doing an asana done thousands of times before, a complete shift in consciousness occurred in which self-referential thought fell away and all that happened, happened in stillness and presence. He realized that he was not this body, nor these thoughts, but the undying consciousness behind them. He saw that everything was perfect as it was and that all was somehow within him, and that simultaneously everything was God. This shift was so complete and radical that he soon left his executive position, did many silent retreats and visits to Zen masters, and yoga teachers in the U.S. and India to confirm and deepen his understanding. To further test his understanding, and to see if it was possible to function successfully from an awakened state, he took other complex, high responsibility, upper-level management positions in fields in which he had no previous experience, and was successful. During this last period, at the urging of students, other yoga teachers, and a Zen master, he began teaching again. Since then, he has taught, authored two books, a blog, several articles, numerous videos, interviews, and presentations on nonduality and neuroscience at various conferences and universities. He has been a subject and/or collaborator in cognitive neuroscience and meditation studies at Baumann Institute, IONS, CSNSC, Yale, Johns Hopkins, and Penn State. All of these experiences really happened to no one, and they ultimately really mean nothing. The events were created out of the control of any "I" and arose from nothingness and went into nothingness. Attaching any importance, ownership, or personal causation to these events is incorrect. However your spiritual path unfolds, it will certainly be different from this one. As one of his Zen teachers said frequently, "Whatever happens to you is none of your business". Or, as the poet Rumi has said, "Your life is not your own". Books: Happiness Beyond Thought: A Practical Guide to Awakening Dancing Beyond Thought: Bhagavad Gita Verses and Dialogues for Awakening" (in publishing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvQ-QvWsu_o

greybeard

21st August 2018, 12:02

What is difficult to understand is this paradox.
The mystics tend to say that all is predetermined--no free will--no time--no subject nor object.
Yet they encourage one to meditate, as though there is choice.

The author of "The Open Secret" gave up the search and went off playing golf.
One day whilst walking--enlightenment just happened.

Many "cases " appeared spontaneously.

Definitely spiritual practise is best done-in the moment -without looking for an end result.
Just for the joy of it.

Chris

Zampano

21st August 2018, 14:41

Thank you Chris for the Gary Weber stuff...nowadays I watch this kind of videos just for entertainment purposes.

I like the presentations from him you posted...very interesting approach via "there is no free will"...understanding that (which may seem quite hard for some people) is already a big piece of the cake.

greybeard

21st August 2018, 16:44

Franny

22nd August 2018, 08:08

A version of 'chop wood, carry water, hit golf balls".

greybeard

23rd August 2018, 22:55

A new paradigm.....Rupert Spira

Rupert excels--clarity is in this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll1gwXljW9c&t=51s

greybeard

28th August 2018, 17:58

There is nothing "new" to post--there never was
One could open any page on this thread and there will be a pointing to Truth via video or otherwise and
the Truth has been known since the dawn of ages.
An open secret.
I know about but that's not quite the same as knowing.
With love
Chris

Wind

29th August 2018, 18:48

The inherent wisdom is within.
With the urge for Truth you will discover it.
It will destroy all delusion.
But in order for it to blossom and bloom,
you must place your head at the feet of God,
or dissolve your identity in unmixed consciousness.
Your heart has to become wide and open,
filled with devotion, surrender and
the urge for freedom.
Then that mighty power will arise.
It does not destroy;
just in its presence all delusions disappear.

~ Mooji

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justntime2learn

29th August 2018, 19:05

greybeard

29th August 2018, 23:19

I AM THAT - Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj - Audiobook - Chapters 1-10

I Am That, talks of Nisargadatta Maharaj. I have a previous Video that contains only the first chapter. Due to the popularity I have uploaded through chapters 1 - 10. So Far I have completed 75 chapters. I have formatted 1-35 into an m4b file as an Audiobook. This can be downloaded free from this website page: https://www.medicineofone.com/sri-nis...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjoGzmwUn8U

Wind

30th August 2018, 07:46

"In this talk from Orlando, FL in 1975 Ram Dass discusses how a person is just pulled into their spirituality and will receieve the transmission by any means necessary. He discusses many stories in relation to his connection to Ma Jaya and Maharaj-ji's consciousness being present in that space."

"The forms are not what it's about. What you are receiving is a transmission of the Living Spirit through a lineage and you don't have to know all of the words to receive the transmission." - Ram Dass

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Wind

30th August 2018, 07:50

Thank you for this Wind !

May I share it with my children?

Of course, share by all means. It's from Mooji's daily quote page.

greybeard

31st August 2018, 12:36

The caterpillar is becoming the butterfly.
There appeared in the bathroom, about a week ago, a caterpillar--- never seen one in the house before,
Its on the ceiling--it must have had some journey to get there--up the outside wall --in the window and to were it now resides.

So its changing under its skin--you see it getting fatter.
The reason I put the story on this thread--its that the caterpillar into butterfly is a metaphor for the awakening into enlightenment.
I await the emergence with interest.

Chris

Wind

1st September 2018, 10:00

For the one whose consciousness has matured
through marinating in Self-contemplation and inquiry,
just to hear my guiding words is enough.
Their minds become easily merged with the heart.
In a flash all is brought back to silent awareness
—the one Source of all.
It all depends on the depth of one's internal hearing.
In the case of a highly developed soul
such as Sri Ramakrishna of Kolkata,
just in hearing the name of the goddess Kali uttered
with reverence, his mind would immediately enter the heart.
He would remain in that state unaware of the outer world,
returning gradually to the normal state of consciousness
only after long periods of time. So, in just hearing,
'O Mother Kali, enchanting Mother of all,'
his entire being would become absorbed in the Supreme.
What would it take to let your mind live inside your heart?

~ Mooji

greybeard

4th September 2018, 16:36

Shawn Nevins ‘The Way Of Subtraction’ Interview by Iain McNay
Shawn is author of four books including ‘Subtraction: The Simple Math Of Enlightenment.‘ In the foreword he says,

‘This book answers the question of how to find out the answer to who and what you are beyond any shadow of a doubt.’ His spiritual search ended on December 28th 1999 having started 7 years earlier.
During that time he meditated for thousands of hours, fasted, prayed, retreated, met spiritual teachers, and never gave up.
His primary teacher was Richard Rose but he also spent time with Bernadette Roberts, Douglas Harding and others.
His breakthrough came when he read through a transcript of a talk by Franklin Merrell-Wolff.
Shawn’s story has many ups and downs. His sincerity during his search shines through and his many realisations on his path are tangible.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDZXZGxsTY&t=199s

greybeard

4th September 2018, 21:10

Illusions.. The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah (Audio-book)
Written and Narrated by Richard Bach.

This is a "find" revisited.
The story brings tears to my eyes.
Can I suggest you download it and take your time to listen.

With love
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX8vp_nW0OU

greybeard

5th September 2018, 19:05

Chris Bache ‘Diamonds From Heaven’ Interview by Iain McNay

Chris is author of several books including ‘Lifecycles – a study of reincarnation in light of contemporary consciousness research’; ‘Dark Night, Early Dawn – a pioneering work in psychedelic philosophy and collective consciousness’; and ‘The Living Classroom,’ an exploration of teaching and collective fields of consciousness.’

He is currently completing his new book, ‘Diamonds from Heaven:
A 20 Year Journey into the Mind of the Universe.’
This latest book is a detailed account of 20 years of discovery initiated by taking 73 high doses of LSD. This journey was inspired by Stan Grof’s book ‘In Realms of the Human Unconscious’ which convinced him that the entire intellectual tradition he had absorbed was based upon a superficial experience of the human psyche.
He felt he couldn’t turn down the invitation of extending his experience of his mind to have first-hand knowledge of these domains. In this interview Chris shares some of the boundaries crossed, lessons learned and the experiences he had during this 20 year psychedelic journey.
Categories include: crossing the perinatal plain, the ocean of suffering
, Deep Time and the soul, the Greater Real of archetypal reality, the birth of the Future Human, Diamond Luminosity, and integrating the Infinite.
This really is a very unique interview.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yewNM9smrqo&t=373s

greybeard

5th September 2018, 20:36

Mooji - 2nd Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpQlgkAzJA0&t=450s

greybeard

7th September 2018, 07:38

Joe Dispenza and Gregg Braden [London TCCHE 2018] - Consciousness & Human Evolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmCsLeO5my8

Wind

7th September 2018, 15:48

Without the intrusiveness of the personal mind,
life is observed to be unfolding in a natural
and harmonious way. Do not waste time
merely wishing for things to get better.
The whole world is doing this
and so no one is really happy.
We miss the true life.
In fact, happiness arises
when you stop chasing for something other
than your own pure nature.
And this happiness remains with you.
The universal tendency in human beings
is to seek lasting happiness
in the field of names and forms—a transient field.
This is really a form of avoidance
and a distraction from what is timelessly present
and ever perfect within us—our divine nature and Self.
Ignorance of the Truth is the main cause of misery.
Avoid expectations and especially be aware of
the tendency to wait for 'next' as a promise to happiness
—the next good feeling, the next adventure
or invitation from the mind—in short,
the next experience that, in fact, does quite the contrary:
it pulls your attention away from pure presence,
the seat of joy.
No one has ever experienced 'the future'.
Reflect. It is all imagination.
How to transform these tendencies?
Simply, begin by paying attention to the natural
thought-free state, the pure sense of existence,
the feeling ‘I Am’ that is naturally present in you.
Shift the attention away from the mind-traffic
and let it rest in impersonal awareness.
Keep doing this each time the attention goes out towards
sense objects or obsessive self-interest.
Self-attention is the beginning of real Self-discovery.
It returns the attention time and again
to its source—the one Self.
Get used to staying in your natural
and neutral state of being.
It is a state of emptiness. Do not be afraid of this.
In fact, get increasingly used to being empty.
This emptiness and joy are synonymous. They are one.
This is really what is meant by the saying,
‘to enjoy one’s Self. It is a state of unfading contentment,
wisdom, love and happiness.

~ Mooji