Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[greybeard]

Thanks Stan.
I knew it was full version some place.
I use download helper and that way I can watch later.

We have a sharing community on the thread and never in my experience a cross word, differing points of view yes and that helps us all to grow.
Im getting lazy --- laughing --- so the more you guys contribute the less I do nd thats a good thing, keep it coming.

Regards to all who contribute and also visit.

All are very welcome

Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks Stan and Chris,

It was a thought provoking movie. It reminded me of the moment of great realization that I had a long while ago. It is also the premier revelation that drove my next three books. And it is this: zero equals infinity. Not a week after I had this thought I gave up on scientific dogma completely. No longer did I buy science magazines and books. I stopped following the so-called advances in science. And I began a journey that as it went along diverged more and more from the contemporary understandings of the modern world.

Eventually, I reprioritized my understandings. I am still working on reinventing or integrating who I am in relation to those new understandings.

That is also why I do not publish my growing list of books. When I read them now they seem naive and overly simplistic. I believe these works of mine are for me and maybe only for me. I understand that these books represent a gradual learning process and that what I thought was true in the first book may have become false by the third. This could be seen as evidence of a personality that cannot decide on what to believe. And I do not want to confuse others so I do not publish.

Nothing is the great unmanifest, the ineffable. Everything is the manifested world and all it contains. Nothing does not grow into everything, it is the everything but without materialization or manifestation. Nothing is infinite potential. Everything is that potential realized.

Gotta love it!

[greybeard]

Hi Ernie
Thank you for this keep contributing please.
Massim Haramein seems to have it right He claims the vacume is full of energy that the space in the atom dictates what form the atom takes.
What I have said is not an accurate reflection of Nassim's work but close enough.
We are the field of consciousness in which materialization seems to occur.
I posted this some time back but worth re post.

Regards Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y5bXdx5UrE

[Ernie Nemeth]

Really good video.

Are you somehow playing with me, Chris?

I have not this man's credentials, nor do I claim to have gone into such detail, but my first book is focussed primarily on exactly this topic. I call the fractal nature of the universe fundamental archetypes that undergird reality. Many have realized the repeating patterns in the universe and have understood the role scale plays in the manifestation of form. I like how he links this new physics to the teachings of spiritual masters. Although he arrives at a different conclusion than I did, I believe that is only because I already had the answer I was trying to prove. He concludes that everything is a black hole of varying scale, and I sum it up by stating everything is an illusion. The flickering between individual and the Godhead is also an aspect I include in my work but I define it as the authority problem. Humans have mistakenly usurped the role of the Creator and therefore must push the Creator out beyond our ken. Only with the Creator safely placed beyond reach can man then reinvent himself and imagine he has a self-image that he must defend against assault from outside forces.

Maybe my books aren't so crazy after all...

[greybeard]

Hi Ernie
My friend I did not know what your books were about, so definitely not playing with you.
I dont know enough about the subject to form an opinion so appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
Here is another video that might interest you.
First part here but 2nd available U tube

Best wishes
Chris






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFhlPdZ15Cs&feature=player_embedded

[Zampano]

Hello everybody


I started to write a response to Earnies post, but I ended up somewhere else and the end...

It is always good to hear from people with courage who are able to live their lives far away from the mainstream society. I can refer to your choice of lifestyle because I had a similar experience,
but just temporary for nearly a year. I lived in Italy in an old mouldy stone house, but surrounded by beautiful nature with orchard, woods and beautiful mountains in the background.
I stayed there with like minded spirits we just lived from the land and spend our days talking, working, debating, hiking, eating, celebrating and playing music.
We didnt work, neither we had insurances or a car or other commitments. Oh boy, that was a great time.

We took ourselves out of the game. When you stop playing the game, the rules dont apply to you anymore. This simple lifestyle, where lots of people met and inspired each other,
made the people in town suspicious and eventually they called the police, because they felt that there was somthing going wrong at our place. They saw happy foreigners in the streets
and they assumed that we were on drugs. The police came they were looking if something is wrong here and of course, they didnt find anthing which was against the law. It amused me,
that they were looking so desperately to find something. I wasnt even angry at them, because they just did their job. A policeman hopefully chose this job to do good and help the community
and bring justice into our world. Of course, people can be mislead, but they started out with good intentions I think-at least.

I cant blame the policeman nor the villagers, it is a problem of our society. They are in the machine and they have to keep the machine going, otherwise they wouldnt survive very long.
This was a turning point for me to go back to our society with all the good and bad stuff which is happening in this world. Because ultimately, we are part of this society, whether its the
natural evolution of society or orchestrated. I could have lived this life happily until my they would have come, but I decided to go back and try to make a change.

After this great experience I felt the urge to tell everybody how they have to live their lives to become free or happy, because I was so overwhelmed from my experiences.
But then I realised, that I cant push people into something. It was my experience, my great time, my knowledge and understanding I gained in this couple of months and I decided
for myself whats good and whats not. So the best way, is just to be an example and do your thing. Back home when I talked to other oeople about my experience, they were more like:
"Oh really...you did that?. I wanna do the same, but I cant afford it/dont have the time/the circumstances which I am in doesnt allow it. They felt pity about me.

I learned more there, than what I can adapt for my life here. My life standards are not the same anymore-you just fulfil your basic needs. And we were discussing things, where the majority
doenst even know that these topics can be discussed and ultimately changed. How to change our environment to be beneficial for everybody. They take the rules and laws as granted without
knowing that they do great damage to them. They dont even feel the need to change them, because they feel powerless. On the other hand they see their politicians or former politicians caught up in
corruptiom-ministers and members of the parliament full of greed and power. And yet they dont wanna do something about it.

As I said, I could have lived this life happily until my day has come, but now I feel the urge to change something to make our society more liveable. Maybe thats not the reason why am here, but its natural to
improve your environment to make it more suitable for me. Now I come to the point in life, where I think about having children and of course I want to raise them in a society which feels good to me.
Not only my future children, also every soul and every human being.

I think to change a society can be made in 2 ways: One is a wise dictator which takes radical steps to enforce the one system.

The other one which I like better is to give the people time to think who they are and whats best for them to make the best out of their life.

Unfortunately most of the people in our society dont have the time to think about such important things, because they have to work their 40 plus hours a week, kids, hobbies,...you name it.
I had the great opportunity to put myself in a place where I had time to think and to exchange with other people from all over the world. I would say it was my sabbatical year.
The second choice needs decades to evolve and will progress very slowly. And it needs people with integrity.

I was really impressed by Bills quote about integrity, where one's beliefs, actions and statements are all in alignment.

It needs people who say NO! Or YES!


Sometimes I think that our ego is also a present or a good tool to reach our goals, because it keeps us going to one direction, but it needs an open mind to also change ones ways of thinkings.
There is not one truth, there are many points of observation. And to change them makes you sometimes feel better.The problem is the same but from another angle it is easier to solve it.
People get easily caught in their ways of thinking by the lack of knowing how to change their perspective. Sometimes it needs a good friend to suggest you another possibility how to solve a problem.
Sometimes it needs a godlike human in a white doctors coat to tell you that everything is gonna be fine. Or ultimately you know for yourself whats good for you and whats not.


On my opinion this is for example a good and healthy help in your life on earth. Sometimes I get the feeling that I am dealling with a self destructive society on our planet. Exploitation of natural ressources,
unethical behaviour with humans, animals and nature causes lots of sickness which are preventable...heart attacks, strokes, psychological problems, back pains, headaches...you name it.
You can prevent things like that with the right knowledge. But this for example isnt thaught at school. They dont tell you this things which are important to manage your life and become independent.
They dont teach you how to learn things on your own-where you are interested in. You dont have to learn everything-you just have to know how to learn. On my opinion thats true education.


For me I started to work as a gardener 30 hours a week. I decided to grow my own food on a property owned by my family. It is a garden right in the village center and lots of the neighbours are curious
about what I am doing and why I am doing that. And I have already 2 people who want to share the garden for growing food and flowers. I know not everybody has the opportunity to do that with a
garden or a property , but you can express yourself in other ways to contribute to your perfect community.

I just wanted to write down my thoughts on Earnies post, but at the end it led me somewhere else. And I think its good...finally I wrote down lots of my thoughts I had in my head in the last couple of months.

[greybeard]

Zampano
Thanks for sharing so eloquently.
We all learn so much from each other here.
Best wishes
Chris

[Some Bloke]

There is a big difference between the psychological Ego and the occult or mystic Ego, the first is to do with the dynamics of the personality, the other is far more complex , and is to do with elements within the person that are autonomous , that want to relive events , physical or mental or emotional , over and over , they are parasitic in nature and have an aspect of the persons essence within them that gives them life.
They are created by a mistaken will and desire.
This type of ego can be destroyed ,and the essence liberated through the light of understanding and prayer

[greybeard]

Welcome
If you are new to the subject please start page one there are lots of valuable contributions and video throughout..

Namaste

[greybeard]

Pated from Magna Carta

"Friction has its uses as without it the diamond would not shine
Vini and Emma are shining.

The first revealing of the magnificence of the diamond may require some hard polishing but the final polish is done with a soft cloth.
me.

Now going to make Sots broth which requires intense heat/rapid boil to burn of impurities then simmer to bring out the full flavor when it has cooled some it is very palatable and healthy.

Regards Chris"

it is of great worth to examine every personal thought and action, to be aware of ones own agenda--- we all have one.
I ask my self "Where is that thought coming from" and trace it back to see what pay value I may get if I act on it.

if it is self interest, attention seeking, looking for respect even admiration, then it is of the ego.

If it is of the highest good any action coming from it may be of benefit to all.

Chris

[Teakai]

Carried over from the thread: Fraud? Deception? Speak!


Sorry Teakai its tomorrow here12.50am Im to tired for intelligent reply --am I ever lol

I believe the soul is pure and does not need to evolve.
What is moving from self to Self evolves to know itself.
The Self of the "other" is the same divine energy as inhabits this Self and I acknowledge the Divinity in the other.
Self is egoless -- self has varying degrees of ego depending on how far the self has evolved.
When enlightenment happens there is no "person" left to claim that state
Best I can do
Good night may your life be filled with joy

Chris

No worries, Greybeard - I know what you mean. It was 9am-ish and I was awake and on the go :) Now I'm winding down.

But now I have another question altogether.
If we are soul and soul is pure (which I agree with to a point) What do you think it's doing this human game plan for? What point is this earthly life if soul is complete and requires nothing and must know itself already?

I also think that the trips are about shedding the identity and uniting with the whole - only I don't see the earth incarnation as being even nearly close to that stage.

This is quite possibly a question better asked in the ego/enlightenment thread. So, I'll go and pop it there, also. :)

[greybeard]

I dont know is the short answer Teakai.
but I know some one who does.
That I means that I dont have subjective experience of enlightenment.

However
From what I have read over the years and some personal experience I would say that there is only one consciousness which we all share.
So assuming this to be correct duality is an illusion.

Our perception is flawed so we dont see things as they really are.
I am learning to see things in a different way.

Much has been written on this allready here by various contributors and some videos as well
Who is driving the dream bus? is good

You could use a sliding scale like a thermometer.
So that cold is not seen as an opposite to heat just less of it

Same with light --- extremely bright down to dim then absence of light.

Dark has no existence, it can not be shone but light can be.

Enlightenment is a change in perception that happens when duality is transcended -- that is not easy.

It is my belief that unity consciousness already exists we just are not aware of it.

A Course in Miracles says "The moment you take up a position know that you are identifying with an illusion"

Ramana Maharishi quote " Creation and dissolution never happened"

Eckhart Tolle "There was never anyone out there to do anything to you"

There no enemy
There is only ONE here.

So its a question in our world of what is appropriate action to any perceived event.
even then non duality can be applied --- very appropriate all the way down down to lack of being appropriate.

So this would not be appropriate to say on some other threads Its a question of what is helpful there.
What is helpful to one is not to another "person"
With enlightenment there is no person left-- no individualism only unified consciousness.

Where would the ego be with out its dearly held opinion on everything????? LOL

Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

For the more science-minded, I like the following equation.

¥ - N = ¥ , where ¥ is infinity , and N is any finite number

I always wondered, what is this N-thing, this something more than everything? How can you have everything and something more to take away from everything? If infinity is God, then what is this impossible speck doing in the equation ? Could that be the willful ego, the impossible stance by an impossibility? ... Always struck me as odd is all, and a fine way to see clearly the thing I made.

[edina]

Greybeard asked me to post this link here in the Enlightenment Thread, I imagine it is because he feels it has something to do with the Enlightenment. ;)

The Healing Choir (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19661-Healing-Choir)

Thank you, my friend greybeard, for being who you are! :grouphug:

[Jonfen]

So I've been a window-shopper around Avalon for awhile and finally got a chance to register and become a member. There has been an overwhelming amount of stuff I've been wanting to talk about and participate in but I don't really know where to begin, so I thought I'd share some of my thoughts on enlightenment, or some questions of its nature...

1) In seeking the higher (enlightened) self, does the higher self have a higher self?
2) To transcend to me sounds like a form of movement, so the desire to transcend the ego is the desire to move out of it, but I contest that the ego is just as much a part of everything as anything else, which is to say, what is outside of the universe, and when you get out, where will you be? Is not the desire to move out of the ego as a game of the ego.
3) How deep can one go? How far out can one go? Where does that end, and are we not already there?
4) And this one is more a question of definition, it seems from reading there are many different definitions of the ego, what are some of the more common ones?

Sorry for posting having not read the entire post, and I probably have more to ask/talk about but I have to go for a tiny interview. So nice to be here, thanks for existing!

[greybeard]

Good questions jofen
(1) No there is one Higher Self shared by all/ call it the life force within-- very intelligent.
(2) Not a movement but words wont cover it. Uncovering that which is all ready present but well hidden.
(3) define infinity-- smiling (we are already the totality all of it)
(4) Have a look at the first few pages

Who is Driving the Dream Bus is a good video- - its several pages back.
Regards Chris

[Jonfen]

Thanks Greybeard, I quite enjoyed Driving the Dream Bus, I feel it sums up a lot of my feelings on the subject very much. I especially enjoyed the woman's perspective of figuring it out on your own, I often find myself wondering though if my knowledge on zen is not fully integrated in my being. Is there a difference in knowing vs. feeling? I guess I've felt as though if I figured out this one mystery, the others would follow in suit, but then again I suppose it isn't really understanding the mystery but more understanding that it is infinitely mysterious and the parts will never fully understand the whole. How does one align to God's will, playing the part given? Not worrying? Feeling a desire to have a direction but not having one (that is readily noticeable) has left me rather fatigued...I don't know what you can say to that, but...thanks for your response. I shall go through and have a look at more of the thread.

[sepia]

It is my belief that unity consciousness already exists we just are not aware of it.

Chris

----

Chris -

Let me take a tiny space to express the huge respect and love I have for you.

Your light is constantly shining here and there -

and we both know it is the result of a long and honest journey.


Sincerely, Sepia

[greybeard]

It is my belief that unity consciousness already exists we just are not aware of it.

Chris


----

Chris -

Let me take a tiny space to express the huge respect and love I have for you.

Your light is constantly shining here and there -

and we both know it is the result of a long and honest journey.


Sincerely, Sepia

Sincere thanks for your kind thoughts Sepia.
Yes the road is long and honest is the journey but the destination is the same.
Much love and respect for you
Chris

[manny]

chris
i purposly avoid this thread.
the reason ,i don,t want to be influenced on my journey.
by this thread.
as you know i am reading a couple of books and listening to cds.
when the time is right,i will start at page one.
i think you know where i am coming from.
regards manny

[greybeard]

Manny
I think you are one of the brightest sparks.
Yes I understand and I know where you are coming from.
More important I know where your destiny is taking you.
We are heading for the same destination in our unique ways.

The moment you start to read anything about enlightenment-- the end result is a done deal.
Just takes time and as you say the time has to be right.

Best wishes
Chris

[manny]

thanks Chris i appreciate all the advice and help you have shown me.
some people connect when the time is right.
i thank you for your guidence .
but still need more.:p
to the viewers this is personal.
but will make sense when your time is right;)

i have a saying that i believe in.
if you live your life,and speak to millions of people,but only one person hears you.
then you have fullfilled your mission..

but i hope that many more people will learn and put into use greybeards advice.

thats just my opnion.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Manny,

I know where you are coming from, I think, saying you don't want to be unduly influenced.

I too have had this thought many times in the past. I often suspend judgement and interfering related commentary until I have come up with my own ideas on the matter. Once you are influenced by the thoughts of others, those ideas "stick" in your mind and some other concepts might not be explored because of it.

My most memorable topic in this regard is philosophy. I would not read anybody's philosophies until I had developed my own. I spent countless hours and many years walking mostly and thinking about the deepest things in my late teens, putting together my personal philosophy. After I had developed my theories to some degree I wrote a rough draft of the ideas. Then I began an earnest study of the topic and its great philosophers. I was surprised to see how similar were the basic questions and the general explanations oferred seemed to fall into only two camps, just as I had discovered on my own. And of all the philosophers I was amazed that Emmanuel Kant came closest to my own views. Him and the sophists and their "ineffable quality" of the divine.

So all the power to you, my friend. May you find what you seek!

[greybeard]

"Change your thoughts and you change your world." -- Norman Vincent Peale

"We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey." -- Dr. Stephen Covey

[Zampano]

Thank you Ernie and Manny for your last comments

I really can identify with the things you wrote

and greybeard is doing an awesome job here, without a doubt

I saw this thread some months before I started reading it...when the time was ready
My brother finished his philosophy studies at university and he would lend me some of his books I was interested in. But I had the same feeling like you Ernie...
This are thoughts from another person...not mine, And surprisingly, lots of my thoughts ad theories and beliefs are getting close to Kants, as well as Aristoteles and Thomas Aquinas.

When you discover your thoughts on your own, it is much more precious than reading it from another persons view. Becasue then you found your way to understand it.
As my mother tongue is not english, it is hard to put my thoughts here in words.

Once you are influenced by the thoughts of others, those ideas "stick" in your mind and some other concepts might not be explored because of it.

Quote from Ernie

I agree with that completely...I use to say you get programmed...
You read something you enjoy reading and you resonate with that-it becomes your truth
and you act like this is your truth
until you read something else about is and you like it more and it turns in another truth for you

Small example:
You are 9 years old and you try to hammer a nail into the wall and you need some time to figure it out how to do it
Mom says: "Ok, leave it you cant do it on your own."
You get programmed that you are not good at hammering nails into the wall.

So this happens a lot in your life-whether there are other people telling you what you can do or not, or yourself.
I liked the quote from John Locke from the TV show LOST: " Dont tell me what I cant do"!

[Teakai]

I dont know is the short answer Teakai.
but I know some one who does.
That I means that I dont have subjective experience of enlightenment.

However
From what I have read over the years and some personal experience I would say that there is only one consciousness which we all share.
So assuming this to be correct duality is an illusion.

Our perception is flawed so we dont see things as they really are.
I am learning to see things in a different way.

Much has been written on this allready here by various contributors and some videos as well
Who is driving the dream bus? is good

You could use a sliding scale like a thermometer.
So that cold is not seen as an opposite to heat just less of it

Same with light --- extremely bright down to dim then absence of light.

Dark has no existence, it can not be shone but light can be.

Enlightenment is a change in perception that happens when duality is transcended -- that is not easy.

It is my belief that unity consciousness already exists we just are not aware of it.

A Course in Miracles says "The moment you take up a position know that you are identifying with an illusion"

Ramana Maharishi quote " Creation and dissolution never happened"

Eckhart Tolle "There was never anyone out there to do anything to you"

There no enemy
There is only ONE here.

So its a question in our world of what is appropriate action to any perceived event.
even then non duality can be applied --- very appropriate all the way down down to lack of being appropriate.

So this would not be appropriate to say on some other threads Its a question of what is helpful there.
What is helpful to one is not to another "person"
With enlightenment there is no person left-- no individualism only unified consciousness.

Where would the ego be with out its dearly held opinion on everything????? LOL

Chris

Thanks for your response, Greybeard. I have only just become aware of it.

Just asking - have you read Michael Newton? If you haven't I think you'd really enjoy him. He regresses people to talk about their lives between earthly (or otherwise) lives and has collated all the info he has amassed over something like 10 years.

He can also be found on you tube.

[greybeard]

Thanks Teakai
I will look on u tube
As you possibly know I was a professional Hypnotherapist and have read some of the books on past life regression and certainly there is a common thread running through regarding past life -- in between incarnations-- and also future as put out by Dolores Cannon.

its all very interesting and valid but for all that part of illusion.

God is One without a second.
You could say that we are the thought of God
We are form, formless, both and neither
Beyond the understanding of intellect/mind/rational thought.

Consciousness needs content --- Awareness is beyond consciousness.

We can be aware that we are without anything else.

Regards Chris

[greybeard]

Controversial teaching

There is no this causing a that



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45LuPQUUEAI


I believe it


Chris

[MariaDine]

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v20141472AycK4zjF

Namasté

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v20141472AycK4zjF

[greybeard]

Thanks KM is excellent
All enlightened sages say more or less the same thing but in their unique way.

Namaste

[truthseekerdan]

"It is ego-absorption that colors everything in terms of good and evil. The pain-ridden idea of hellfire as a place of punishment for sin is man's own morbid idea; evil is man's own morbid idea; disease and suffering are man's own morbid ideas. God does not know of the existence of these things. Since He created man free, He has left it up to man to conceive his own situations. And man has thought into existence all evil!

Evil is the great illusion of all mankind. Religious thought of all ages has seldom offered more than a stumbling solution to this enigma, for nearly all religions offer a kindly and loving God who yet has created evil and is tempting man with it. Now, it is obvious that there is nothing kindly or loving about a God who visits disease and pain and poverty and suffering upon his children, any more than there is anything beneficent about a deity who creates evil so that he can burn in hell those he manages to tempt with it. The very plain fact is manifest. If God is a God of love, He did not create evil!

And so with the entire hideous conception of the devil and hell. If God created the devil and hell, He would have to know that He was going to send some of His children there, and it even follows that He would have a pretty good idea who they would be. So that would give us a God who created the temptation, who created persons unable to resist it, and who precondemned them to an eternal residence in the furnaces of Satan.

It is ridiculous, of course. Yet the extremely important point is this: as far as man's earthly life is concerned, if he believes in evil, he experiences evil; if he believes in disease, he experiences disease; if he believes in hell and the devil, he suffers all the tortures they offer each time he falls from what his own mind considers to be grace. All these things man creates into reality in his life on earth—evil, disease, poverty, hell and devil—but God has nothing to do with them!"

Book Excerpt from Three Magic Words by Uell S. Andersen

[Jeffrey]

I wrote this one year ago...

"The mind can navigate beyond the confines of this feeble skull of mine. On the ship of will power with an idea at the helm, the winds of imagination fill my sails, and I travel afar while sitting still. This body is anchored to the world, but my spirit is ever free. The soul has a unique language of it's own - one of silence. The heart understands this unspoken language and attempts to establish a dialogue with the mind. This is felt as intuition. Some sense it more than others, and some not at all (and many ignore it). I'm not sure to which of those I belong. Too often I identify myself with the puppet. I seek things that pleasure the body, or quell the fiery ego that all of us have within our minds. I think that the ego is the Devil - a psychological chameleon of sorts. Subtlety working selfish motives into our life's agenda. He is a twisted falsity disguised as our best interests. The ego whispers to our conscience in a confused tongue distracting us from our Divine heritage. My heart patiently longs to be heard, but I busy myself listening to other things; running towards dead ends - temporary relief. It hurts to go against the will of the Spirit, but it's not punishment. It is natural for pain to ensue when I neglect that which is Truly Good. Thinking for an answer only leads me to more questions. I will think myself all the way to the the grave! I know Goodness is in my heart because my heart knows my Spirit, and my Spirit conspires with the Divine. Enough thinking. It's time to put forth the effort to live righteously."

Reading it now the end reminds me of a quote:

"The almanac forecasts the rain fall of the year, but not one drop of water will you get by squeezing the almanac—not one drop." -Sri Ramakrishna

Anyways, this is where I am now. Trying to transcend the ego can lead me to denying an aspect of myself. This leads to inner-conflict which is counterproductive to what I aspire to. Instead, maybe I should work with the ego to transform it. I am the ego. Isn't the ego just a mechanism for the Infinite to experience the finite? Sri Aurobindo, from what I understand, did not try to transcend the material plane, but spiritualize it (transform it). Maybe we are just describing two sides of the same coin here? Words can be tricky.

Much Love and Thanks,

Vivek

[truthseekerdan]

The ego is personality. Personality is the body. The body is how we experience intuition. Intuition is a particular way in which we perceive, think, and feel physical experience. The ego is no more than contrast when in check and perversion when in control. It is natural for the ego as a perversion to try to preserve itself. Ego’s can conflict in any situation but our metaphysical identity cannot be in conflict. An inflated ego always tries to capitalize on all situations, congratulating it self continuously to overcome any doubt. The real us (divine spark), is part of a reality that stands unchanged and beyond the reach of any inflated ego (our own or someone else's).

Namaste ~ Dan

[greybeard]

I call upon the broken words
be one again!
Heal this pain that we feel for eons.


Deep in the past where time was not
We sang a tune of love.


Creating worlds and renewing hope for
all the glory that has ever to be!


So let it be!
I call upon myself from the highest instance
to the very last remnant of remembrance,
Wake up now and be love.


Stars were shining in your eyes
And your voice of divine love
was filling my heart
soothing my soul.


I call you now Tinuviel
Let us be, my love.

By Beren

[truthseekerdan]

Our body alone is a symbol of an inflated ego. An inflated ego is a symbol of separation. Separation limits communication. Communication must be unlimited in order for us to be satisfied with meaning. If we are deprived of meaning, we will never be satisfied with life.

Have a great day everyone. :)

Namaste ~ Dan

[Seikou-Kishi]

Controversial teaching

There is no this causing a that



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45LuPQUUEAI


I believe it


Chris

When I was doing philosophy at college we had to argue in favour of causality. I don't believe causality can be established :D

[greybeard]

Good to see your regular contributions Dan.
All fear is related to the body-- most vanity also.
The ego goes with the body.

Welcome also to Seikou-Kishi

When you explore Dr Hawkins work the mists clear.
Logic, rationality, science, spirituality, enlightenment and love all to be found in his books.

Devotional non-duality.

Chris

[greybeard]

The strange thing is that the more we accept our uniqueness the more we are truly together.

Its the very opposite of the saying " if you are not for me you are against me"
That mentality, that thinking, is very divisive as it forces people to take sides.

When you accept people as they are, there is no judgment, people are free to be as they are.
You dont take sides.
You might agree with or disagree with that point of view but you may agree with or disagree with the other on another issue.
That is true freedom.

There is one proviso respect for the other and your own self.
When there is respect, appropriate behavior always follows.

Chris

[greybeard]

Kundalin

Salutations to the Mother Kundalini the Divine Cosmic Energy! You are present in every existing being. You are the supreme knowledge, maya, intellect, memory and delusion. O Devi! You are the mind, the sky, the air, the fire, the water and the earth. Nothing is outside You. You are the Shakti of Shiva. Your Own blissful conscious form gives the shape of the world.

Kundalini Yoga is the most archaic form of spiritual sadhana practiced by Indian sages and saints to achieve Oneness with the Supreme Reality. Kundalini, the serpent power or mystic fire, is the primordial energy that lies sleeping or in dormant state at the base of the spinal column in all human beings. It is also the cosmic power in individual bodies. It is the spiritual potential of cosmic power. It has no form. But the mind has to follow a particular form in its initial stage. From this grosss form, one can easily understand the subtle formless Kundalini. Prana, ahamkar, buddhi, indriya, mind, nerves and all the five gross elements are all products of Kundalini.

Kundalini becomes active, when it is awakened. There are many methods to awaken the sleeping Kundalini, like Pranayama, Asanas, Meditation, etc. all such methods may sometimes lead to complications. One may also become a psychic patient. It can also prove fatal as one feels the urge to attempt suicide without any reason.

To awaken Kundalini Shakti, the safest way is to receive the grace of a blessed Siddha-Guru, who have already merged his identity with the Supreme consciousness, the Shiva, and have become one. When Kundalini Shakti gets active by a Siddha-Guru it automatically starts functioning. Kundalini becomes the master of jiva, whose goal is Shiva, the source of existence.

In this world, despite all that we achieve, we never feel contented and never attain permanent peace, happiness or bliss. Complete fulfillment is only possible when we realize our own self, when the Kundalini Shakti gets aroused in our bodies and the backward journey towards Shiva gets initiated, till one day, with the mercy of Kundalini, the jiva gets liberated from all the attachments with the world.

As this Kundalini Shakti is very powerful, no one else other than Shiva can control this Kundalini Shakti, when it is awakened. Under the guidance of a Guru, the movement of the Kundalini is controlled, the six spiritual centres get slowly pierced, the nervous system gets cleansed and the individual becomes transformed completely. He realizes his own Self at the sahasrara, the seventh spiritual centre and becomes One with the Supreme Consciousness, the Shiva. The main principle is that when awakened, Kundalini Shakti ceases to be a static power, which sustains world consciousness. Once set in movement, she is drawn to its other static centre in the thousand petalled lotus (sahasrara), by merging Herself and the jiva with Shiva consciousness or the consciousness of eternal ecstasy beyond the world of form. When Kundalini sleeps a man is awake to the world, when she wakes up, he sleeps, that is, he loses his consciousness of the world and enters his causal body. In this Yoga he passes beyond to the formless consciousness.

This is the glory of Mother Kundalini who through Her infinite grace and power gently leads the sadhaka from charka to charka and illumines his intellect and makes him realize his identity with the supreme Brahman!

Sadgurunath Shri Siddeshwar Baba was a God-realised Siddha-Guru. Thousands of seekers got their Kundalini Shakti awakened by His Divine Grace. He used to awaken the Kundalini Shakti by the divine touch of His right thumb at the Trikuti of His devotee and sometimes by His gaze. He had even initiated some sadhakas in their dreams.

The book on Kundalini enables aspirants and spiritual seekers as well as those interested in the phenomenon of Kundalini to understand the deeper implications of Kundalini awakening.

Link to the book
http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDK142/

[truthseekerdan]

An older post that I believe is worth bringing to the surface. Enjoy! :angel:


A False Self Image.

• The ego is one's false-self-image.
• Its not something real that one can hold in hands or take a picture of.
• It is just like a reflection to which one is made to identify with.
• In this sense...it can be compared to a reflection on a mirror.

One's Emotional Goalkeeper.

• The ego does the job of allowing only some emotions to pass through while labeling the others as bad and resisting them.
• The ego-cares for you. It thinks that had it not been for its resistance, interference, manipulations and so on...one would be nowhere.
• The result...the ego tries to resists some emotions which according to the popular opinion i.e. social conditioning is considered as "bad".
• According to the ego life is going to be ideal/perfect only when ABC happens and that anything other, let's say XYZ should not happen.

MOMENTS when the ego takes roots.

• "If you do this you are a good boy or else a bad boy."
• "Look at JOHN, does he trouble his parents (like you)?"
• "I wish you were like him."
• "You are lazy." (an absolute statement)
• "You are stupid."
• "You are brilliant" (as compared to others).
• "You should be like this." (you are not good enough the way you are now)
• "Life should be lead like this." (Life is not perfect the way it is right now)
• "You are a good boy."
• "I don't know when you will be matured."
• "It is good you are not like him."
• "Thank GOD you are not like the other boys/girls in this society."

Survival strategies for the ego.

Resistance to what is:
• The present moment is not at all perceived as good by the ego.
• It has to be manipulated, changed, moved away, escaped and so on for the ego.
• The ego actually cannot survive for long under the rays of "What is".
• And so...it constantly denies and resists the "What is".
• For the ego...life is all about the past and the future.


Brooding over the past.

• I guess this is self-explanatory.
Strategising for the future. This may not always be planning which is an intelligent activity. It involves living in a dream-world built up of its own thoughts. Thinking, Thinking, Thinking. Thinking is the favorite game as well as the life-blood of the ego. Believe it or not...without thinking...the ego may not be able to survive within one, even for a single week. Thinking shields a person from the exposure to "What is".

THE EGO HATES.


Allowing things to be just as they are.
It only understands manipulation and tampering with stuffs, be it relationships or a journey or your present moment etc.
BEING. The ego doesn't even understand being. (Yet the moments that one truly cherishes in life are the moments in which there was no doing but just being. It may be during a first kiss, or first love or during a sexual orgasm and so on).
Surrender.The ego wants a confirmation to everything. It may play a victim to life, but surrender? Nope!
The NOW moment. The food of the ego as well as its structure consists of time i.e past and future(this has got nothing to do with the clock time).
The thought of being in the NOW also strikes terror for the ego.
Time, thinking, doing, achieving thats all it wants.
Silence. The ego wants constant chatter, something to chew always, some clatter, some noise, some activity and so some noise. It cannot tolerate silence even for a minute.

[9eagle9]

I hadn't seen that post but it emphasizes the roles that are imposed on us at an early age that we are left to deal with as adults. Not having a parents that instilled a sense of self value in me that was a major challenge in life overcoming that role of not being skinny, pretty, smart enough. Or good. That's a tough one sort of unconsciously viewing yourself as a good person and when people tell you that you are, you wonder whose leg they are trying to pull. Until you stop and think one day "what did I do that was soooo BAD?"

I wonder what sort of ego challenges people have whose parents did instill a sense of self value in them.

[greybeard]

I hadn't seen that post but it emphasizes the roles that are imposed on us at an early age that we are left to deal with as adults. Not having a parents that instilled a sense of self value in me that was a major challenge in life overcoming that role of not being skinny, pretty, smart enough. Or good. That's a tough one sort of unconsciously viewing yourself as a good person and when people tell you that you are, you wonder whose leg they are trying to pull. Until you stop and think one day "what did I do that was soooo BAD?"

I wonder what sort of ego challenges people have whose parents did instill a sense of self value in them.


I would think that every upbringing is an opportunity to overcome the programing inherent in it.
A Course in Miracles which I know you studied, my friend. is good

"I want to see things differently"

"I want to see things as they are"

The ego is a filter it does not let you see things as they are--- in a fraction of a second it analyses, judges, sorts files and selects what you hear and see.
its main sorting criteria "Does this lead to pain or pleasure"

With practice it is possible to be fully aware of every thought, to observe, it to distance one self from it and investigate the accompanying agenda.
Believe me you will be in for a big surprise if you take time to do this.
All kinds of programming and belief systems come up for examination-- you cankeep what seves you and let go of tat which does not.
The important thing is you ar not running programmed--- you run the program.
Of course after a while you realize there is no need for any program.

Thanks to 9eagle9 and Dan

[HelenOsborn]

I love the work of Eckhart Tolle and his "Power of Now" teachings.

This quote is from “The Power of Now” by Eckhart Tolle: pages 92 – 94

"To become conscious of Being, you need to reclaim consciousness from the mind. This is one of the most essential tasks on your spiritual journey. It will free vast amounts of consciousness that previously had been trapped in useless and compulsive thinking. A very effective way of doing this is simply to take the focus of your attention away from thinking and direct it into the body, where Being can be felt in the first instance as the invisible energy field that gives life to what you perceive as the physical body.

Connecting with the inner body

Please try it now. You may find it helpful to close your eyes for this practice. Later on, when “being in the body” has become natural and easy, this will no longer be necessary. Direct your attention into the body. Feel it from within. Is it alive? Is there life in your hands, arms, legs, and feet – in your abdomen, your chest? Can you feel the subtle energy field that pervades the entire body and gives vibrant life to every organ and every cell? Can you feel it simultaneously in all parts of the body as a single field of energy? Keep focusing on the feeling of your inner body for a few moments. Do not start to think about it. Feel it. The more attention you give it, the clearer and stronger this feeling will become. It will feel as if every cell is becoming more alive, and if you have a strong visual sense, you may get an image of your body becoming luminous. Although such an image can help you temporarily, pay more attention to the feeling than to any image that may arise. An image, no matter how beautiful or powerful, is already defined in form, so there is less scope for penetrating more deeply.

The feeling of your inner body is formless, limitless, and unfathomable. You can always go into it more deeply. If you cannot feel very much at this stage, pay attention to whatever you can feel. Perhaps there is just a slight tingling in your hands or feet. That’s good enough for the moment. Just focus on the feeling. Your body is coming alive. Later, we will practice some more. Please open your eyes now, but keep some attention in the inner energy field of the body even as you look around the room. The inner body lies at the threshold between your form identity and your essence identity, your true nature. Never lose touch with it."

Eckhart Tolle: Enlightenment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdgO4UDrwm8)

[truthseekerdan]

"The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way." -- Mayan

[Teakai]

Thanks Teakai
I will look on u tube
As you possibly know I was a professional Hypnotherapist and have read some of the books on past life regression and certainly there is a common thread running through regarding past life -- in between incarnations-- and also future as put out by Dolores Cannon.

its all very interesting and valid but for all that part of illusion.

God is One without a second.
You could say that we are the thought of God
We are form, formless, both and neither
Beyond the understanding of intellect/mind/rational thought.

Consciousness needs content --- Awareness is beyond consciousness.

We can be aware that we are without anything else.

Regards Chris

Hi Greybeard - sorry - I only just realised you had replied.

I'm afraid I can't discuss God or what God is or isn't because I have no idea. Same with discerning the difference between awareness and consciousness, it is above my head and beyond my realm of understanding at this time.
:)

[ruisatriani]

just wanted to share this AMAZING site with free downloadble documentaries and Books.. its a GOLDEN archive! http://www.theoccult.bz

[greybeard]

A long time ago a friend of mine Heart2Hearth advised putting money in the spiritual bank by doing a simple spiritual practice
I wrote lines of a mantra into a notebook one page a day, Any mantra will do. 108 repetitions per page is good
That helped me to a peaceful quiet mind.
I did it for 6 month.
Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi folks,

Thanks Dan and Chris. Always a good word here.

9eagle9,
my parents constantly joked I broke everything I touched. To me it was no joke. They just didn't get it, I took things apart to figure out how they worked - I just wasn't interested in how they went back together...hehe

[greybeard]

A young child speaks on ego and meditation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hynAE-7gMOg&feature=player_embedded

[greybeard]

Hi folks,

Thanks Dan and Chris. Always a good word here.

9eagle9,
my parents constantly joked I broke everything I touched. To me it was no joke. They just didn't get it, I took things apart to figure out how they worked - I just wasn't interested in how they went back together...hehe

Always a good word when you leave one Ernie.
That applies to 9eagles9 as well.
Dan is much appreciated as he has contributed to this thread as long as Grey B

Chris

[transitionalman]

Wow, this little girl must have had tremendous experiences.

[aranuk]

Chris that wee girl was truly amazing!

Stan

[greybeard]

Forgiveness


From a spiritual perspective it really has nothing to do with the other except that they have given you an opportunity for spiritual growth.

As long as you think you are a person, a body, then it js hard to forgive because there is a fear that if you dont take action the same could happen again.
Forgiveness raises your spiritual vibration the lesson is learned and if you dont learn to forgive you will find plenty of new opportunities to forgive coming at you.
In fact you may have to incarnate on earth yet again and again till you do get it.

You are not a person -- not human -- you are having a human experience--- if there is something to be learned here it is simply that.
You are spirit-- formless-- temporally in embodiment.

[9eagle9]

This comes so naturally to children, doesn't it? and at times I can recall being a child and having that complete unconditional state. Just brief little glimpses where everyone, and myself was just A-okay. Kids are so easy to forgive and accept until the world starts messing with their minds. My kidlet is going on 16 and its hard for her because she still retains that sort of accepting innocence but at the same time is so hurt and put upon because she is so forgiving. She amazes me because when she greets a person for the first time her whole being lights up and it shows in her eyes. And she just gasps HI!! as if every person she meets is some great unexpected suprise gift.

I confess that is entirely her, she didn't get it from me....lol.





Chris that wee girl was truly amazing!

Stan

[Someoneson1]

As I understand it, ego is mis-creation from what was pure. Mis-creation meaning a mistaken thought which, once voiced was experienced as separate from god. From one, to duality. Seems our common goal is to over come through remembering just who we are and accepting it.

And that reminds me of a quote; "the ego is a question without an answer. The holy spirit is an answer without a question"

[greybeard]

As I understand it, ego is mis-creation from what was pure. Mis-creation meaning a mistaken thought which, once voiced was experienced as separate from god. From one, to duality. Seems our common goal is to over come through remembering just who we are and accepting it.

And that reminds me of a quote; "the ego is a question without an answer. The holy spirit is an answer without a question"

Love your quote
Thanks
Chris

[greybeard]

The biggest battle you will ever have is the internal one removing the obstacles to enlightenment and that requires transcending the ego.
You will not do this without the humility to ask for Divine assistance.

Advaita says the biggest obstacle is the notion that you are the doer, the vanity which leads you to believe the me does things-- unaided..

Jesus said "Of myself I do nothing it is the Father within who is the doer"--- you could call that Higher Self.

C

[greybeard]

“I am dancing in the Mind of God. God is meditating, I am the meditation, experiencing the Mind of God.


Thanks for this "realeyes" it says it all


Chris

[greybeard]

Anger and frustration achieves very little and are qualities of the ego.

In fact only the ego can feel threatened, hurt etc.

Being forceful has much less energy behind it than Power.
Power comes from Higher Self -Divinity

History proves it----- Nelson Mandela, Gandhi and others had ever reason to be angry but they achieved much, not by being passive, but through non violence.
Non violence is rational and very powerful, because the goal that is being pursued has no selfish personal agenda but is for the greater good.

The moment one starts expressing angrily the content of what is being said is submerged by the energy of anger.
You wont convince people of the validity of your argument by being angry, forceful or combative.

St Teresa said you wont find me at an anti war demonstration but you might find me at a peace rally.
Nothing with anti in the expression has ever been successful--- anti drug campaign for example.

c

[Ernie Nemeth]

I have always believed in God.
My thoughts have never strayed too far from spiritual matters since my early teens.
For the last thirteen years, there has not been more than a few hours in any given day when my thoughts are not of God.
I'm not saying I'm a saint, or even a pious human being. My thoughts about God have not always been positive.
I have layed blame at the feet of various supernatural beings for many decades. First it was my own fault because I was a flawed, incomplete human specimen. Then the blame found its way to the devil and his insidious nature. That turned to God as I began to see that He did not seem to care. Then, at age forty it became the ego - he was to blame.

As I moved my viewpoint sideways, I saw the ego as "not me". That war still rages on. Meanwhile I have tried to find super-natural allies to aid my cause but to no avail. I have tried to make contact, and have managed a few successes but I have still not eased the blame of an unfulfilled life. I declared God dead a few years back. Oddly, that eased the guilt somewhat. I could not understand why but somehow the concept of a dead God seemed reassuring. Later, I asked for God's forgiveness for such blasphemy. I need Him for my sanity, I am lonely without Him. I pine for Him. This and more I confessed to Him. And He answered. I just didn't hear...

Years have passed since then. I am now convinced that God simply does not care what happens in my life just as a parent does not worry about the fantasies their child might contemplate in the sandbox while playing. And today I understood something I've never realized quite this way before. It is not God who died a handful of years ago in my mind. It was my concept of God that shattered. If there is only One, then I am that One. With such an idea an externalized, all powerful God is not tenable - there was not enough room in my concept of God any more to contain Him! Now I understand that I let God go that day. I removed all the ancient taboos of tradition, undid the falsehoods of millenia of conditioning, and the tiny box holding my idea of God became too small.

After over five years of contemplation since that time I have expanded this box to such an extent that it has wrapped itself around everything! The box that holds my concept of God is my reality. It always has been, but there was a time when my day to day reality was far removed from God - had no place in God's reality.

I foresee many new avenues of contemplation to consider in light of this conscious discovery.

I did not want to forget and let this sink back into my subconscious so I have taken this opportunity to publicly chronicle this event.

I have only barely managed to offer the slightest glimpse into what I mean. I hope it is sufficient.

Peace

[RedeZra]

Self is One and All

why are we so many then ?


it's just a Spell of Self

else we would not be


Maya is no Mistake ; )

[greybeard]

Thanks to Helen for pointing me to this one



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bAXwBbCtHg

[sirac]

time to spoil the party,

you are all wrong.....
you guys are all so wrong it is startling and unsettling
(and please challenge me, i am of heritage 'knowing of these things', its not that i am merely 'banal')

the ego is the garden, to be maintained,
and feed, ... so-that it with its charge of desirers may drive our -interactosome-{high chinese pitch}
{positing back to french}that is the point were we are actually driven by our energies & we perform the task.


bounce the ball back,
& i'll bounce back too.

[9eagle9]

You didn't spoil the party, the ego is notorious for assigning designations of wrong and right so thusly we are all incorrect and you are right.

If someone has a particularly dense ego is it best to be maintained? Why? What does maintenance provide to the spirit?

Or mastered? Ego is present but able to be mastered, one learns to respond rather than react?

While we are in the physical existence an ego of some sorts will remain but maintaining it simply keeps in a physical realm of existence.

I suppose it depends on what your goals are.

Achieving other levels of existence that the ego will be challenged by ... or maintaining your state of existence here?

If one chooses to maintain their level of existence here in what manner does one existence improve? How does ego maintenance provide a better quality of life?

[greybeard]

time to spoil the party,

you are all wrong.....
you guys are all so wrong it is startling and unsettling
(and please challenge me, i am of heritage 'knowing of these things', its not that i am merely 'banal')

the ego is the garden, to be maintained,
and feed, ... so-that it with its charge of desirers may drive our -interactosome-{high chinese pitch}
{positing back to french}that is the point were we are actually driven by our energies & we perform the task.


bounce the ball back,
& i'll bounce back too.

Sirac you obviously have a sense of humor.

Do not collect £200 go straight to jail or alternatively pick up the chance card and start page one or roll the dice pick any page. (monopoly board game)
I think you will find that your question has be answered many times in these pages and answers are 1000s of years old.
Every single enlightened one says it is an ego less state and if you dont get that you reincarnate till you do.
With enlightenment you are fee of the bondage of illusion-- concepts, belief systems and fear.
You are who you really are unrestricted by ego then

The book "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" is an amazing example of enlightenment.

Hope you get my Scottish Humor

Best wishes Chris

[sirac]

yo 9eagle9

sorry,
i don't have a dual personality
or a soul spirit matrix that codes dually,
i beleive these aspects should be integrated

(notice the hidden Inelia clause, ..we code reality.....you guys are some of/or hate your own stock, that u want to get rid of your body, where-as my stock has been synergizing...............its nice to scare a crowd by sounding and coding in an illuminati code form.....but seriously, i read a gnostic text once after a teaching period and it confirmed my suspicion, the Paulian Christian Inspired Deviation set out to destroy the ego as the clay vessel....i.e. smash the pot.....{u guys are obviously on e-mail notification, so c ur reply 2morow, gotta work}...but it is obvious by the note trends on Moses that presence with 'god' lifts the physical aspect, some call this Noir......the ego is validated at the end of ones life when Christ says...so whats been done with that investment i gave u)

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oh i'm reading u now grey beard, hold for reply

[sirac]

i think i see what u mean, your aspect but i don't recant my words,

tell me if u'v not meet a friend in the path, but

the aspect u speak of is the trapping of characters in their ego bodies,
becoming trapped by mechanisms that hold them here to reincarnate

no i am not of this breed,
i am above
i am of those high enough to stand and shout between generations that is how rare the aspect of man is tha t we talk to

i hope u get my twisted nietszcharian humour,
i do smile always johnie walker

[Solphilos]

time to spoil the party,

you are all wrong.....
you guys are all so wrong it is startling and unsettling
(and please challenge me, i am of heritage 'knowing of these things', its not that i am merely 'banal')

the ego is the garden, to be maintained,
and feed, ... so-that it with its charge of desirers may drive our -interactosome-{high chinese pitch}
{positing back to french}that is the point were we are actually driven by our energies & we perform the task.


bounce the ball back,
& i'll bounce back too.

Some wish to cast themselves into oblivion, to destroy the ego entirely and fuse with that which is above.
Some wish to ascend straight up through the middle pillar and enter into the no-thingness. Many fail to realize that there is another choice, to rise above the ego, to recognize it as a tool of experience, and to bring the knowledge of the higher planes down into the material world and use it to accomplish their own true Will. The path of the Serpent and the path of the Mystic are both equally valid, though personally I choose to move forth in perpetual expansion, MY Will be done. Free to choose Power, or submission, that is the beauty of duality.
On this point, many will come to understand why the 'Elite' are the Elite.

[sirac]

thank-you Solphilos,

and so what is this way of the Serpeant and the Mystic,
have my decisions subsumed me in one of those categories?


or convince me

[9eagle9]

Sirac are you obtusely admitting to being of a bloodline perhaps the serpent line.

[Solphilos]

As per my previous post, I was speaking Kabbalistically, sorry for ambiguity.
The path of the Serpent is the path of the Magician, one who seeks to accomplish his Will through the manipulation of natural forces. The mystic chooses the contrary, to ascend back to source leaving the material world far behind. Some of us thoroughly enjoy this experience and wish to play around here a bit longer, knowing that we can ascend at any time of our choosing, if we choose.
As for your decisions, only you can interpret what path you choose. Knowing your Will, you will find your place on the Tree of Life.

Notice your number of posts. Giggle.

[9eagle9]

A magick that was no doubt replicated from the line of the serpent which, basically, only the line of the serpent can master.

[truthseekerdan]

time to spoil the party,

you are all wrong.....
you guys are all so wrong it is startling and unsettling
(and please challenge me, i am of heritage 'knowing of these things', its not that i am merely 'banal')....

The key to a clear and uncomplicated mind is to temporarily set aside the censoring role of an inflated ego and know that there are no polar-opposites (good-evil, right-wrong, win-lose). There is only difference. Once we fully embrace and understand the meaning of difference, we start to remember more of our source design or archetypal patterns and their meaning. When we recognize these inherent patterns as the prime factors in our existence, we are able to transform and align our lives with them.

Much Love

[sirac]

I don't see much difference to the Magician and the Serpeant, both try and master a field, one from bellow and other from above,
i can say that both are true for me at various times,
or that this function is cyclic to -personality attack mode-(or something of this sort)

notice number of posts?giggle:giggle....33?
whats that to giggle about?

Wise reader 9eagle9,
but i'm plotting a higher heuristic.
my outlier functions are the charles material of the 33masters, i.e. that all lines persons individuals would ascend now to their highest function (i.e. the purpose of creation, to explore different models)
and the other outlier being the Inelia material, which is more of the same...just different absolute reference
but i don't belong to an illuminati line,
i'm merely showing we can plot with those mindsets,
and if it suits a particular expression....why not....i'm not bias;

i like the myth of the creator or creators son /savior
coming down, and with the breath of his nostrils nullifying all,

i'm sure many really evil people fear this day, as then they'd dissolve
all there power and strength by evil means,
achieved within pure framework by the Weigher,
and then they'd dissolve in his breath


and what magik is this 9eagle9,
does your line master another majik?

[sirac]

actually my main concern against GreyBeard
was alterance of the timeline

imagine people believing according to the egoless heuristic he proposes

it would erase everything of other type in this timeline and we'd be poorer for it

[greybeard]

actually my main concern against GreyBeard
was alterance of the timeline

imagine people believing according to the egoless heuristic he proposes

it would erase everything of other type in this timeline and we'd be poorer for it


You are entitled to your concept.

In mine there is only the eternal moment -- no time line-- no "person" to change anything

If we stick to this illusory world ---- I cant change anyones time line.

I only share what works for me and what I believe to be so.
I dont even declare I am right.

So there!!!

Chris

[sirac]

thank-you GB,
i think the area within which we deal is the Strategics, versus other effects which come as collaries to these, or are merely technical, i.e. dimensional beings paracitizing off us.
this work deals with how a person aligns their centre to the highest being __God

[sirac]

perhaps it was in dealing with a Creator entity,
i.e. an ego beyond our own

so-that in the mire, we shift our own ego-block down, and evaluate functions another higher ego would give us,
but i have a view of the holy texts which actual down-grade the value of such functions, inthat it is given to the being who requires it,
the face of god as an unseen is still a million miles above us

[greybeard]

perhaps it was in dealing with a Creator entity,
i.e. an ego beyond our own

so-that in the mire, we shift our own ego-block down, and evaluate functions another higher ego would give us,
but i have a view of the holy texts which actual down-grade the value of such functions, inthat it is given to the being who requires it,
the face of god as an unseen is still a million miles above us

We speak a different spiritual language.
Mine traditional and coming from Indian enlightened sages in the main.

Ramesh Balsekar the Advaita sage said -- God gave you an ego let Him take it away.

I go with that and the expression that we are waves of the Divine Ocean.
The Ocean is a million miles wide the wave infinitesimal but still water.

I am wary of a lot of words to explain what is essentially simple.

Ultimately only God is. The One without a second.

Im not disagreeing with you sirac but I cant converse in your style.
I dont have the knowledge of your discipline.

Chris

[greybeard]

Enlightenment is very practical powerful state.

"Anger and frustration achieves very little and are qualities of the ego.
In fact only the ego feels threatened, hurt etc
.
Being forceful has much less energy behind it than Power.
Power comes from Higher Self -Divinity

History proves it----- Nelson Mandela, Gandhi and others had ever reason to be angry but they achieved much, not by being passive, but through non violence.
Non violence is rational and very powerful, because the goal that is being pursued has no selfish personal agenda but is for the greater good.

Nelson Mandela forgave big time

The moment one starts expressing angrily, the content of what is being said is submerged by the energy of anger.
You wont convince people of the validity of your argument by being angry, forceful or combative.

St Teresa said you wont find me at an anti war demonstration but you might find me at a peace rally.

Look how much these people achieved then tell me spirituality is not relevant or effective in this world

Nothing with anti in the expression has ever been successful--- anti drug campaign for example."
Anti means against and you will never win anyone over by being against them.
A war on crime is very successful is it not? Laughing.

Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

[RedeZra]

I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

[felixq78]

It's a figment of its own imagination. It thinks that it is "the self" but it is no more than layers of experience day by day piled up on top of itself. Like yesterday's newspapers sitting in a pile, the daily record of experience isn't what we are it's merely what we've done.
It doesn't really exist but it will go to all lengths to prove that it does, even to the point of destroying the physical body. The ego at its extreme is absolutely "insane".
I think I read something like this in "A Course In Miracles" and it stuck with me.
Just look around our planet everything that is evil sprang from human folly, from the Ego.

[greybeard]

It's a figment of its own imagination. It thinks that it is "the self" but it is no more than layers of experience day by day piled up on top of itself. Like yesterday's newspapers sitting in a pile, the daily record of experience isn't what we are it's merely what we've done.
It doesn't really exist but it will go to all lengths to prove that it does, even to the point of destroying the physical body. The ego at its extreme is absolutely "insane".
I think I read something like this in "A Course In Miracles" and it stuck with me.
Just look around our planet everything that is evil sprang from human folly, from the Ego.

Very astute felix
Thanks for your contribution.
Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

Thinking is a journey of ideas about the self until the self rememebers itSelf; Mastery is the journey of the unknown to the known.


The ego at its extreme is absolutely "insane".


Yet in that insanity the ego's thought system is convincing and follows an apparently coherent string of logic. Its major premise is the reality of the body and the body's eventual demise: materiality and death.
It is what happens when that which is everything pines for something more...

[greybeard]

Everything happens for a reason there are no accidents, the whole history of the universe brings what it will into this moment, into this happening.
It is a vanity to think we can change any thing or anyone, particularly event that have already happened.
It is as it is-- we can learn from it -- change it no.

Its a vanity to think we can change anyone by anything other than example, kind words, encouragement and very rarely tough love..

C

Ps thanks Ernie your posts promote much positive thought within me.
C

[Shadowland]

I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

Perhaps Unconscious Incompetence comes from arrogance of thinking that thinking is not needed,
whereas, Unconscious Competence comes from enlightened knowing that thinking is detrimental to that competence.

[greybeard]

I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

Perhaps Unconscious Incompetence comes from arrogance of thinking that thinking is not needed,
whereas, Unconscious Competence comes from enlightened knowing that thinking is detrimental to that competence.

Thinking is detrimental to competence is a fact.

There is the working mind and the emotional mind.
The working mind is extremely competent. the emotional mind is a distraction to that competence.

One can be focusing totally on the job in hand in the present moment--- THEN-- the emotional mind puts pay value/agenda into the situation.
Self talk --- this is a very difficult job and its essential it gets done correctly, your promotion/hapiness/well being depends on the result.
Thats looking to the future -- unconscious to the moment-- awareness of the task is lost.

Self talk part two-- remember the last time you did this, you screwed up, it was a disaster-- you got reprimanded for your incompetence- the boss was on your case!!!!

So do you think you are unaffected by this emotional voice in the head ? (its ego)

Of course you are, you got pulled from the moment into future and past. You lost it!!!! You became unconscious to the moment.

The ego requires past and future to survive.

When you are fully focused in the NOW are very alive and getting the most out of the moment--- not distracted.

Chris

PS the working mind has no need to speak--- it just does what it does with brilliance,.

[greybeard]

“What the ego cannot lift with all its might is like a feather to the Grace of God.” (Transcending the Levels of Consciousness, p. 56) David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

“Straight and narrow is the path … waste no time.” David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

[Shadowland]

I am told there are four stages to mastery:
1) Unconscious Incompetence
2) Conscious Incompetence
3) Conscious Competence
4) Unconscious Competence

the similarity between Unconscious Incompetence and Unconscious Competence is striking since neither need the agency of thinking

still thinking is required on the journey from self to Self ; )

Perhaps Unconscious Incompetence comes from arrogance of thinking that thinking is not needed,
whereas, Unconscious Competence comes from enlightened knowing that thinking is detrimental to that competence.

Thinking is detrimental to competence is a fact.

There is the working mind and the emotional mind.
The working mind is extremely competent. the emotional mind is a distraction to that competence.
.......
Hm?
Certainly emotions such as anger, rage, jealousy, guilt, etc. are distractions to the working mind, however, the notion of the working mind devoid of emotion as extremely competent raises warning bells.

Firstly, emotions such as fear may remain unexpressed and slither in the crevices of memory distorting thoughts which are then presented to the working mind without a hint of their toxic distortion. An example would be say; a thought of defending something as a brilliant prudent strategy. However, defense presupposes attack and attack is based on fear.

On the other hand, when the working mind is coupled with heart centered emotions; gratitude, compassion, forgiveness, humility, etc., the mind becomes inspired rather than just competent. I suggest that only by harnessing the ego with this combination can the ego take its rightful place in steering humans in this 3D reality.

There is now substantial scientific research claiming that the heart is the real center of intelligence, sending signals to the brain in advance of thought. It has been demonstrated that when a person is frustrated, the heart send distorted signals to the brain. Whereas the heartwave of accomplished meditating monks is smooth and results in a sense of peace and harmony.

After the working mind reaches a decision, a practical application of this concept is to specifically check in on how we 'feel' about the decision. If we feel at peace then it will be a wise decision.

[sirac]

Just look around our planet everything that is evil sprang from human folly, from the Ego.

this is very true, every evil sprang from the muddle of consciousnesses active until now.(i just put an extender on that, unintentional, but then i move with the felicity of a snake)

but it is also true that an organ of religion was used to suppress the masses by getting them to self-critique their ego.....(catholocism & the poverty conscious it maintains in 3rd world countries is a notorious example)

It is also true as the man above in post, above mine,
comes to the phase decisions that if we have more logic then naturally we won't bring harmful influences within thee driving mechanisms known as the ego

[jimbojp]

I have some questions.
As far as I can see, all problems in the world are caused by ego, is that a fact?

The buddhas have trancended their egos they came to the conclusion, I am not ego, there is no seperation we are all one or something along those lines...Therefore we share the same conciousness of the buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, is that true?

So if we were not our egos, what was?

What is the source of ego? What was the source of ego?

Does the ego originate outside of myself?

What is it?

all the best
jim. :confused:

[sirac]

I have some questions.
As far as I can see, all problems in the world are caused by ego, is that a fact?

The buddhas have trancended their egos they came to the conclusion, I am not ego, there is no seperation we are all one or something along those lines...Therefore we share the same conciousness of the buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, is that true?

So if we were not our egos, what was?

What is the source of ego? What was the source of ego?

Does the ego originate outside of myself?

What is it?

all the best
jim. :confused:

see underlined
i'd say {*} this is encompassed therewithin, cause....
*the phase consciousness i describe
cause .. at the moment what we observe is that the phase consciousnesses are trying to break forth (, or something along this line)
there is some form of seeking integration.
this line is cross intersected by what Inelia suggests of consciousnesses agreeing to change the game.

what was it,...the soul
Nietzsche discussed soul within the context of Zarathustra, describing phase characteristics (know to that he Freud counted N. as a teacher),
in a much deeper work -i forget where
he discusses soul as a thin membrane stretched,
a reactor of sorts perhaps,..one never knows were N. analytical method was bound to touch.

so this soul is what i posit as 'ego taken care of'

[jimbojp]

Sirac,

"*the phase consciousness i describe
cause .. at the moment what we observe is that the phase consciousnesses are trying to break forth (, or something along this line)
there is some form of seeking integration.
this line is cross intersected by what Inelia suggests of consciousnesses agreeing to change the game."


Are you saying that at this point in time there is an urgent need to change the timeline, if so I'd agree completely.
Do you think that we are trying to remember something, what is it?

Thanks,
jim :)

[greybeard]

I have some questions.
As far as I can see, all problems in the world are caused by ego, is that a fact?

The buddhas have trancended their egos they came to the conclusion, I am not ego, there is no seperation we are all one or something along those lines...Therefore we share the same conciousness of the buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, is that true?

So if we were not our egos, what was?

What is the source of ego? What was the source of ego?

Does the ego originate outside of myself?

What is it?

all the best
jim. :confused:


All the problems of world are caused by an inflated ego.
The ego is acquisitional
Enough is not enough
More land, more women, more power, more wealth. more control.
So there lies the problem
The ego was necessary as a seperation device, it helped us to tell the diference from edible and in edible, what led to pleasure what led to pain.
Trouble was it became very judgmental willful and greedy hence the fall of consciousness in The Garden of Eden
The fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

Eventually we are so dependent on the Ego that we imagined that we are separated from God.
So thats just a story but it illustrates where the ego took us.

The Buddha is of the same consciousness as us but ours is "diluted, watered down" by the belief that we are separate from God and everything else.
If we follow of the teachings of any enlightened sage then we get closer and closer to the LIGHT which burns of the ego and leaves us free of the bondage of ignorance,
Then we no longer reincarnate on earth--- karma is also burned of in the process.

The source of the ego is God but it is but the "me" thought which we identify with.
We are also thoughts of God "WE ARE GOD."
You could say Maya and illusion are both products of the ego.

There is nothing outside of us-- in that we are interlinked, joined with and affected energetically, with the most distant star.

Hope this helps Jim

Regards Chris

[jimbojp]

I have some questions.
As far as I can see, all problems in the world are caused by ego, is that a fact?

The buddhas have trancended their egos they came to the conclusion, I am not ego, there is no seperation we are all one or something along those lines...Therefore we share the same conciousness of the buddhas or whatever you wish to call them, is that true?

So if we were not our egos, what was?

What is the source of ego? What was the source of ego?

Does the ego originate outside of myself?

What is it?

all the best
jim. :confused:


All the problems of world are caused by an inflated ego.
The ego is acquisitional
Enough is not enough
More land, more women, more power, more wealth. more control.
So there lies the problem
The ego was necessary as a seperation device, it helped us to tell the diference from edible and in edible, what led to pleasure what led to pain.
Trouble was it became very judgmental willful and greedy hence the fall of consciousness in The Garden of Eden
The fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

Eventually we are so dependent on the Ego that we imagined that we are separated from God.
So thats just a story but it illustrates where the ego took us.

The Buddha is of the same consciousness as us but ours is "diluted, watered down" by the belief that we are separate from God and everything else.
If we follow of the teachings of any enlightened sage then we get closer and closer to the LIGHT which burns of the ego and leaves us free of the bondage of ignorance,
Then we no longer reincarnate on earth--- karma is also burned of in the process.

The source of the ego is God but it is but the "me" thought which we identify with.
We are also thoughts of God "WE ARE GOD."
You could say Maya and illusion are both products of the ego.

There is nothing outside of us-- in that we are interlinked, joined with and affected energetically, with the most distant star.

Hope this helps Jim

Regards Chris

Thanks for you reply Chris,

Yes that makes sense to me.

It all gets a bit confusing to me, when conspiracy theory comes into it,
I mean if it was my choice to eat the apple in the garden of Eden then I should take responsibility for everything that follows, right?

Maybye conspiracy theories are a blind alley in that respect.

Do you think the tree of knowledge thing was part of the original plan of God?

Maybye I'm just going round and round in circles here...

All the best,
Jim

[greybeard]

Conspiracy is conspiracy is conspiracy.
I dont go for any of it.
Its a can of worms.

The ego, loves to get its snout into anything and everything.

If the powers that be really wanted to take our mind of our true nature, Divine nature, than what better way than to distract us with conspiracy theories?

Conspiracy is the fertile soil for separation.

People get busy looking for the enemy, and coupled with that, something is wrong, we have been cheated we have been controlled by the enemy.
Victim mentality--- then there is hate, betrayal, get even. FORGIVE them!!!! you must be joking!!! All aspects of the ego.
All totally contrary to the teachings of Jesus or any enlightened sage.

Trouble is the good people fall into the trap of wanting to expose the wrong doers and make everything right.

I realize that statement wont prove popular but you wont cure the alis of the world by fighting.

It been tried--- Yesterdays freedom fighter todays Dictator.

You wont change anything by using the same energy that created it.

You can see clearly from history that egoic energy does not work, it creates as many challenges as it purports to solve.

All is an illusion but unconditional love.

God gave us free will along with the ego so you cant blame God if we allowed the ego to do what it does.

Chris

[jimbojp]

Cheers Chris,

Yep, sounds good to me, I've certainly put to much attention in searching for an outer enemy, hasn't helped me much or anyone else!

Kind regards,
jim.

[greybeard]

Cheers Chris,

Yep, sounds good to me, I've certainly put to much attention in searching for an outer enemy, hasn't helped me much or anyone else!

Kind regards,
jim.

That is very astute Jim
It took me a long while to realize that while I was looking "out side" trying to sort the World I was actually in avoidance of personal issues, family situations that needed to be lovingly worked out.
If everybody sorted their own self and own backyard then all would be well.
The ego of course does not want to accept responsibly for personal mistakes.
Being found out is a killer to the ego, which will it fight against, deny to the bitter end, all that shows it up to be lesser than it claims to be.

One small cover up lie, leads to another, till the whole of ones existence becomes a cover up.
You have lost your self in the lie.
We have all been there--- small time or big time.

Chris

[sirac]

Great last 3 series of posts Greybeard,
they are certainly lieing in my stores for energetic consideration on another date.

i either came upon this from my own path, or a learnt this from Kabala,
but they say that the Maya, or the world at large, is merely a parable for our internal state,
& i know to from my own readings of history, that i've sort of applied a cleanser on myself to get rid of those tendencies within myself, that are seen displayed in history....
...cause if i am in this consciousness state, then certainly too the world around me will be in this state.

Hi Jimbojp
be careful of my words, many times they come forth in what might be called a bombastic format,
but i am just adjectivizing most of my sentences and saying we say, when it is merely my observation.
but other than this...
i have thought of ego/soul in the same context as timelines,
interesting statement you make in
"are we trying to remember something"
I know what ties with this, are the parables from some saying we agreed for a split consciousness from each other and to manifest in this time,
so if we as Inelia says, as a pool of consciousnesses we'd have to agree to change the game,
then I think this is what our soul tries to deal with.
you see that Greybeard has more experiences of our tries and failures, for him, and i'd tend to agree, this is not a now thing, and has probably been so from the first time such an era of ours was instantiated, say at Eden,
i just wonder what is the next step,
certainly i can give a record in my soul of all my intentions but would then have to see the ball game on the ground to see how it actually works out

[Ernie Nemeth]

What is the next step: stop worrying about ego, stop worrying altogether. Simply be in the moment. And try to reintegrate personal reality to include everything in the universe: for that is your true self. IMO, of course.

[greybeard]

What is the next step: stop worrying about ego, stop worrying altogether. Simply be in the moment. And try to reintegrate personal reality to include everything in the universe: for that is your true self. IMO, of course.

Agree Ernie
You did the spade work first to get the weeds out of your spiritual garden.
Kundalini awakened within you and that is a great blessing and "curse"

Nothing is the same after that happens.
My late Guru Dr Goels said that when K awakens you are in the taxi being driven home by Shakti the Female aspect of God.
Relationships dissolve-- security thats a laugh.
You have what you need coming effortlessly to you.
Wants and expectation disapears.
Various spiritual powers arrive to be released-let go of-- the ego loves to think it is special.
There is less and less of a person left.
You become aware of what is left of the personality as almost a separate entity.

Link to a book about Kundalini
India is the cradle of spirituality, we in the West endeavor to understand in our own way and thats valid too.


http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDK142/

Namaste

[greybeard]

from Dr. Hawkins’s newest book, “Dissolving the Ego, Realizing the Self”


Here are a few inspiring quotes from the book:

“There is absolutely nothing in ordinary human experience to compare with the joy of the Presence of the Love of God.

No sacrifice is too great, nor effort too much, in order to realize that Presence.”

--- “If, in the exact passing moment of each instant, there is a complete willingness to totally surrender to it, one can suddenly transcend the ego in a flash. And then the way opens for Realization, wherein the Light of God as Self reveals the Source of all existence and Reality.”

--- “If the ego has neither past, present, nor future to focus on, it falls silent and is replaced by the silence of the Presence. Thus, the way to sudden enlightenment is available at all times.
It occurs naturally when the fascination with the story of the ‘me’ of the past, present or future is relinquished.
The illusion of ‘now’ is replaced by the reality of ‘Always’.”



Namaste

[greybeard]

For Atheists

You never know the day nor the hour.

Laughing

We can get too serious.
Best wishes Chris


An atheist was walking through the woods.

'What majestic trees!
'What powerful rivers !
'What beautiful animals!
He said to himself.

As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him.

He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly bear charge towards him.

He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him..

He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer.

He tripped & fell on the ground.

He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him.

At that instant the Atheist cried out,
'Oh my God!'

Time stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was silent.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky.

'You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident.
'Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament?

Am I to count you as a believer?'

The atheist looked directly into the light, 'It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask you to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps you could make the bear a Christian'?

'Very well,' said the voice.

The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed.. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head and spoke:



'Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord, Amen'.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

LMAFAO !!! Priceless hahahaha !

[Ernie Nemeth]

Good One!

Thanks Chris.

[truthseekerdan]

My dear friends and more... Love is everything. Ego alone is nothing. Love has no conditions. Ego is diluted with conditions. No one who has love wants an unchecked ego for an unchecked ego represents delusion. If truth is complete, then untruth cannot exist and reality cannot be unreal. As long as we have fear, we cannot love. As long as we have anger, we cannot love. As long as we have a self-seeking inflated ego, we cannot love. To receive love, we must first give love. To learn to love others, we must first accept and love our self. The only thing that can separate us from love is untruth (illusion). The only thing that can separate us from untruth is our self.

Much Love

[truthseekerdan]

The longer an inflated ego keeps us on the hunt for love, the longer it stops us from finding love. The longer the ego stops us from finding love, the more frustrated we become with the world. The more frustrated we become with the world, the more judgmental we become. The more judgmental we become, the further away we are from love. An inflated ego cannot love for it does not know how to love. An inflated ego leads us to believe we are searching for love only because it is afraid we will realize that love can only be found when the ego is not in control.

Love always

[sirac]

i see no purpose for mass regulation in any direction (either ego on or off)
i think this is one of those things that should be actively regulated.
one has to be able to move freely.
i just think and agree that the momental () ego strain when it should no-longer be on or active (i.e. when we act in a unified consciousness) is harmful as you describe.

u describe an exhausion model in your first post
& your second post is definitely the maxim of the mode state we should be in when 'unified'in-love''integrating'
but it cannot be said that there will always be those to integrate with.
much of the path is solitary, and within that we stand the danger of stagnating unless we stimulated by our ego aims. (with greater understanding of ego aims..mine are more spiritual now then they were initially)

[greybeard]

In India, elephants are used for manual labor. When an elephant is small and weighs approximately 200 pounds, it is securely tied with a heavy-duty rope. In between 'jobs' the elephant tries to break through its limitation. The calf whines, tugs, and even tries to chew through the rope, but it is unable to break free.

Finally, the elephant gives up its will and accepts his circumstances. The elephant believes there is absolutely no chance to free himself and overcome his limitation. In doing so, he misses out on his defining moment.

A defining moment is the exact moment one adopts or accepts a new belief that drastically transforms their life. They accept this new belief as a new truth, regardless if it is true or not. Because the brain accepts repetition of thought and deduction as 'the truth,' the rope reigns sovereign not only in the calf's immediate environment, but in his mind as well.

With this belief deeply embedded in the elephant's mind, his handler came up with an ingenious idea to permanently disempower him. He realized all that was needed was to tie the four ton animal up with extremely small ropes and he would remain tied. You see in the elephant's mind, any size rope would keep him securely confined.

Don't act like an elephant. Size up and break through the confining ropes in your mind. When you're faced with change, change your perspective. When you're overwhelmed with something new; change your view. Use affirmations, to eradicate limitations and nothing will be impossible for you!

The ego is but a small rope that imprisons us.
It can however severely limit us.
Such is the mind.
Chris

[sirac]

Chris!
you've again hit me with something i can't answer. (i wonder where your comparitive reg points are for/from mine),
i see my rope in how i define the solitary path. i should just describe...not implement a prophecy that affects my path

[greybeard]

Jesus said
"Even the wisest of my disciples enter the Kingdom of Heaven by faith alone"

Intellect - rationale will only take one so far.

Ramana said, "Use a thorn to remove the thorn then throw both away."

So the mind is used to remove the ego then both are dispensed with.

Thinking is downright dangeous--- but dont quote me Laughing.

"I investigated various philosophies and religious teachings but cheerfulness kept breaking through".
Leonard Cohen

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Ego likes spirituality too... Especially the 'one(s) that comes with rules and regulations'. A dominant ego is without conscience when it comes to telling us what we need. It urges us repeatedly to do and get things but in the end, whatever we do or get, it will demand more. A dominant ego seeks its own victory and with it separation. The salvation of a human being is through love and in love. Inner balance can only be realized when a person knows freedom and understands love, a love that embraces and transforms all experiences equally and unconditionally.

There are no degrees or levels to love. We love or we do not love. There are no exceptions to love. We choose love or we do not choose love. We must love ourselves before we can love others. The more our love reaches out, the more our human being expands. The more people we honestly love, the more we realize we are part of a unified consciousness. A mind that sees a world without love sees a world divided. As long as we perceive the world as divided, we are in conflict. When we want only love we will see nothing but love. The only thing we are able to give to anyone is love. The only thing we can receive from anyone is love. If we believe we have received anything else, it is because we thought we had the ability to give something else. We alone make the decision on what we give and on what we receive, real or unreal, of value, without value, just or unjust, meaningful or meaningless.


Much Love to All

[truthseekerdan]

Jesus said
"Even the wisest of my disciples enter the Kingdom of Heaven by faith alone"


Jesus said: “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

"You'll know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free."

Love is the answer

[greybeard]

Jesus said
"Even the wisest of my disciples enter the Kingdom of Heaven by faith alone"


Jesus said: “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

"You'll know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free."

Love is the answer

Thanks Dan for both posts.
Sometimes my quotes are essence rather than accurate.
The full version is powerful
thanks

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Hi Chris, my post was in regards to the actual "essence" which is Divine Unconditional Love, and that everything else is just detail which might not help if the previous condition is not 'satisfied'. Most of us know that scriptures texts (not only the Bible) are actually poorly translated due to language barriers, and or edited to confuse, etc. Many will interpret these verses not with the meaning that they originally conveyed, therefore will not be applied in one's life accurately. The only true value anything can have is the value given to it through love.

We may not see love but we know its effects. By perceiving what love can do, we recognize that it does exist. By knowing that it does exist, we can understand its meaning. By knowing the meaning of love, we are enabled. By being enabled by love, we become love. Love is the one thing that cannot be divided by an inflated ego because of its integrity. Where there is integrity, there is completeness. Where there is completeness, there is wholeness. Where there is wholeness, there is reality. When something is real, it is truth.


Namaste

[greybeard]

There is a middle path where left brain and right brain meet.
There is a way for heart and mind to work in balance it is called compassion.
The heart goes out to another regardless of their actions, there is however discernment which comes from the third eye.
You will note the third eye is in the center of the forehead it balances the left and the right, the upper and the lower.
It is biased toward the upper it is not in the middle of the body it is near the crown.

No secret I am biased towards higher truth because that is eternal.
When the body drops away so does all the truth of this life except for one thing.
How did I treat my seeming fellow man?
Jesus taught Love God and Love thy fellow man--- without exception.
Even those who crucified him he loved.
Surely we can attempt to do the same.

Chris

[sirac]

There is a middle path where left brain and right brain meet.
There is a way for heart and mind to work in balance it is called compassion.
The heart goes out to another regardless of their actions, there is however discernment which comes from the third eye.
You will note the third eye is in the center of the forehead it balances the left and the right, the upper and the lower.
It is biased toward the upper it is not in the middle of the body it is near the crown.
Chris
You mentioned earlier that thinking can be dangerous.
in thinking there are always two streams which are antipode to each other....i.e. they abrogate each other...
or merely within thinking regulatory terms we know not to go 'all full' in 'one stream'...... or combine the approaches as the situation justifies.
the third eye as you put it,
would similarily in my system be described as the subconscious part of the conscious part (typically they say, conscious is to unconsciousness as ice-berg seen portion is to actual portion; within this context to...the stream or 2 streams are laid-out by the conscious aspect [in drawing on..])
or by another system {when approximating the 3rd eye}, the Mayan Dreamspell system, a leader function {over the base function, which is responsible for the conscious branching of the 2 streams}.

i think the spirit reaches into many dimensions, and that the proper place of the mind is only within a certain plain,....
if the combined system works well....the mind falls silent every now and then, to be placed on another plain that the spirit would have it at

[truthseekerdan]

There is a middle path where left brain and right brain meet.
There is a way for heart and mind to work in balance it is called compassion.
The heart goes out to another regardless of their actions, there is however discernment which comes from the third eye.
You will note the third eye is in the center of the forehead it balances the left and the right, the upper and the lower.
It is biased toward the upper it is not in the middle of the body it is near the crown.

No secret I am biased towards higher truth because that is eternal.
When the body drops away so does all the truth of this life except for one thing.
How did I treat my seeming fellow man?
Jesus taught Love God and Love thy fellow man--- without exception.
Even those who crucified him he loved.
Surely we can attempt to do the same.

Chris

Compassion is empowerment to help others discover a community of hope, forgiveness and love. If we are able to enter the mind and heart of another, to share their sorrow, to know them from within, we are able to manifest love not only for others but also in our self. Once compassion is active, all barriers and their damaging effects begin to vanish, leaving a sense of real identity and satisfaction within the embrace of love for all parties involved.

Much Love

[greybeard]

Marcel Messing
One of the best interviews I have ever watched.
It covers it all--- conspiracy -- past-- future.
Enlightenment.

Namaste



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwys0gDTqrI&feature=player_embedded

[truthseekerdan]

There is nothing sacred about the use of words or definitions. We can use or define words how we like for our own purposes, provided we do so in a clear fashion. We know that words are far from complete when trying to relate what we think, especially when we are trying to express something unique, original or formless. The true power of words is not in their literal meaning but in the qualities or intentions that they conceal from our view. We use words because even in their shallowness, they can be a turning point to cause a person to look deeper within their being.

If a belief were true, it would be true even if no one believed it. Beliefs are agreements about reality, which in turn form the structure and parameters that envelop the world we choose to live in. The world we choose to live in is self-created and protects us from the essential uncertainties and paradoxes of existence. When we are fully aware of the present, we have access to all that is real.

Much Love

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hopefully, this is taken as on topic.

ACIM lesson 132: excerpt.

I who remain as God created me would loose the world from all I thought it was. For I am real because the world is not, and I would know my own reality.
(this is what I meant by re-integrating reality)

Peace

[truthseekerdan]

Just wanted to share this quote with you all. :)

"A person does not have to be behind bars to be a prisoner.
People can be prisoners of their own concepts and ideas.
They can be slaves to their own selves." ~ Maharaji

Much Love :love:

[greybeard]

Seek and ye will find.
The 18 years unaccounted for in the life of Jesus.
No wonder the powers that be wanted him crucified.
He taught the same truth as Krishna including reincarnation, meditation and the truth is within you.

Chris


http://vimeo.com/24497948

[JoshuaM]

This is a great topic to bring into focus and for that I thank you greybeard. A book I use is A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle. This book goes into great detail about the ego and generating PRESENCE and the more you read this book, the better it gets. I've read it 6 1/2 times and the only reason I'm not reading it now is because I let a friend borrow it.

[greybeard]

Thanks JoshuaM
Quite a few Eckhart Tolle videos in these pages.

You might like this video too

Regards

Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tC3Al3-t1s&feature=player_embedded

[Butterfly Heart]

I am new here and its my honor to connect with you all at this forum.

The Ego, in my opinion, is not to be tamed but befriended and comforted. There is an existential 'egoic' personality that develops within us as we are born and continue to grow in a world we dont understand, a world that transmits a constant threat to the spirit subtly through a simulated environment designed to attack our bodies and spirits through systematic strategic experiential infiltration. The Ego, which may have originally just been an element of individuated creative awareness of Self, grew to be a paranoid, insecure and frightened prisoner trapped in the mind, drowning in the sludge of truths and lies, illusions and realities, information and technology, wars and peace negotiations... one could go on and on with the pattern of conflict and separation that is programmed into every concept or idea we perceive, hence seeding the conflict in our own reality. The Ego need not be pandered to but nurtured and kept assured. It is as is... it is We who transcend the Ego.

I am not trying to validate or object to anyone's theory on this with my thoughts... just answering the question the best i could. Thanks for having me here. Love and smiles to All.

[truthseekerdan]

Once our state of being begins to break free of its illusions through increased knowledge and love, it starts to live in complete separateness and fulfillment knowing reality beyond a mental concept or vague series of images. It begins to experience the presence of something beyond itself that dwells in a place where there is no need to pursue more or be anything other than self (within the physical body). When does this happen? When we face the oneness of our existence and recognize there is no other joy that can exist except the joy of being an active part of the whole. This joy of oneness allows us to truthfully experience the freedom of our own individual existence, and with the highest realization that all that really maters is our love for one another.

8Rbg_VdRSYE

[ocean]

I agree with you sir. As a traditional shaman we are taught to tame the ego...and that the origional use of the ego was a survival mechanism in the human psychie. Thus we learned to make fire because we refused to be cold etc. We are also taught that the ego is the part of the spirit that we see as ghosts. This is a very interesting conversation that I teach my initiates about so that we can do our best to remain humble in our service to our people. Thank you for bringing up this timely subject.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I was raised as a Roman Catholic. I easily understood The Golden Rule as espoused by Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ. But I could never accept Jesus as God. If Jesus was God then his teachings shrink and shrivel and become small. For when Jesus the man says "Love thy neighbour" I can appreciate the great capacity to empathize. But when Jesus as God says "Treat your neighbour as you would have them treat you." I do not understand the concept because I Am Not God. These thoughts ran through my young mind and I renounced the paradoxical teaching altogether by the age of 14.

This dichtomy has made it difficult for me to love Jesus, my brother, with the grace that is my right - as I now understand it.

There was a time when I loved Jesus and could see myself following in his footsteps. But his teachings have been perverted and, it seems, I along with them.

I wish to love Jesus again, my brother, and to recognize The Christ he represents. He is the road to my salvation only because he has been my role model since I was a child. I need him to be a man, to be my brother, so that I can look into the eyes of the Created and see the Source of its Love.

Peace

[truthseekerdan]

I wish to love Jesus again, my brother, and to recognize The Christ he represents. He is the road to my salvation only because he has been my role model since I was a child. I need him to be a man, to be my brother, so that I can look into the eyes of the Created and see the Source of its Love.

Peace

The strength of skepticism and ignorance on Earth is extraordinary. Priests, officials and media continuously manipulate information, so people are scared and confused and therefore easier to control and exploit. Today teachings of Christ are perverted beyond recognition, far from what they actually represent.

Fear of God is preached and people continue to torture and kill one another in the name of God and religion. The Universal Law of “Loving one another” seems much too advanced for the great majority of people on Earth. We need to wake up, before time runs out...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ij-vViGcY


Much Love ~ Dan

[greybeard]

I was raised as a Roman Catholic. I easily understood The Golden Rule as espoused by Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ. But I could never accept Jesus as God. If Jesus was God then his teachings shrink and shrivel and become small. For when Jesus the man says "Love thy neighbour" I can appreciate the great capacity to empathize. But when Jesus as God says "Treat your neighbour as you would have them treat you." I do not understand the concept because I Am Not God. These thoughts ran through my young mind and I renounced the paradoxical teaching altogether by the age of 14.

This dichtomy has made it difficult for me to love Jesus, my brother, with the grace that is my right - as I now understand it.

There was a time when I loved Jesus and could see myself following in his footsteps. But his teachings have been perverted and, it seems, I along with them.

I wish to love Jesus again, my brother, and to recognize The Christ he represents. He is the road to my salvation only because he has been my role model since I was a child. I need him to be a man, to be my brother, so that I can look into the eyes of the Created and see the Source of its Love.

Peace

Ernie have a look in the mirror, focus on your eyes for a moment.
That which looks through your eyes is the same Divinity that looked through the eyes of Jesus your brother.
You and the Father are One you just dont fully know that yet!!!!
You are a great example to us all, thank you for sharing with us.

Chris

[greybeard]

Karma.

If you look at self as a vibration attractor field and that we are in a university for personal spiritual evolution, then when we have evolved sufficiently, raised our vibration enough, then we graduate from the university of Earth to a new school which is suitable and concordant with our raised spiritual vibration, then we do not need to reincarnate here.

Jesus pointed the way by teaching devotion, humility, love, forgiveness and Thy will be done not mine.

Thats as best I can explain.

Not saying I am right but thats my understanding of the moment.

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Jesus pointed the way by teaching devotion, humility, love, forgiveness and Thy will be done not mine.

Thats as best I can explain.

Not saying I am right but thats my understanding of the moment.

Chris

Dear Chris,

Jesus did not teach devotion because devotion is a religious (mind) concept. Also humility is a negative word, what Jesus taught was acceptance and love to one another. However, the main teachings of Jesus' were love, compassion, and service to others. Hope this helps.

Namaste ~ Dan

[greybeard]

Jesus pointed the way by teaching devotion, humility, love, forgiveness and Thy will be done not mine.

Thats as best I can explain.

Not saying I am right but thats my understanding of the moment.

Chris

Dear Chris,

Jesus did not teach devotion because devotion is a religious (mind) concept. Also humility is a negative word, what Jesus taught was acceptance and love to one another. However, the main teachings of Jesus' were love, compassion, and service to others. Hope this helps.

Namaste ~ Dan

Respectfully Dan
Jesus on various ocasions said They will be done which is a form of humility also he was against being put on a pedestal.
He said "You will do greater things than these" my words.

Humility is not weak it releases the power of God.
The miracle of recovery in AA comes from the belief in a "Power greater than one self"
That humility, faith in the power of God works, not theory but fact.

The ego hates humility.
It thinks it is the author of ones life and the sole authority.
It keeps the alcoholic thinking that it can through self will stop one drinking.
Self will is weak compared to the will of God/ the Holy Spirit which resides in all.
The meek will inherit the earth,

There are degrees of devotion and different meanings to the word devotion.
I am devoted to the search for spiritual truth, my life for the last 35 years has been devoted to, given to, that search.
That has been the priority.
"God" is spiritual Truth.

I agree that the words of Jesus were probably "adjusted" to suit religion.
Being devoted to a dogma is a big mistake--- I dont see that devotion to the love of God is.
Yogananda was a classic example of that as portrayed in his book "Divine Romance"

There are examples of Christian Saints levitating and Eastern sages bi-locating through the power of devotion/love of God.
Through that power they became "light".

New age teaching very cleverly demoted God with the concept of co-creator.
The ego love that though.
At present we tend to create through ego.
When we become a clear channel, when we are enlightened, God creates through us, yet we are God

Thats why the sages say enlightenment can not be spoken of it can only be experienced.
It is beyond debate. Words are not sufficient to describe that state.

Eventually on the spiritual path there comes a moment when the door of enlightenment opens and one is faced with the temptation to be all powerful, that temptation is to be resisted and "To Thee oh Lord I surrender my very life"
That is the death of the false sense the ego. Then only God walks through the final door.
--- not a religious concept but as described by Dr David Hawkins.
He faced the temptation and surrendered his life through devotion to God.
Eckhart Tolle in the "Power of Now" also talks of a moment of dread where he had to surrender-- he heard the unspoken words "resist nothing"

Every account of the moment of full enlightenment that I have read speaks of this moment of great fear, surrender then unconsciousness, then awakening to a different state which is our true Self.
With some a bliss state persisted for some time then "normal" life resumed but with a state of ongoing peace and stillness.

There is also a bliss state which occurs just short of enlightenment which is similar to enlightenment but not the full merging with source not full oneness or Christ Consciousness.

Chris

Namaste

[truthseekerdan]

Dear Chris,

I understand where you're coming from. As I mentioned in one of my previous posts (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it./page57) language and its semantics are a barrier especially when trying to relate what we think. (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Cor.%203:6&version=NIVUK) Add to that the English language which is not necessarily a 'rich language'. Hope I did not offend anyone. ;)


"Jesus on various ocasions said They will be done which is a form of humility also he was against being put on a pedestal."

Even though Jesus was at a higher level of awareness and understanding than anyone else at that time, including the so called masters, gurus, etc. -- he never saw himself above anybody else (arrogant or prideful), but treated everyone with love and kindness as his equals. This is what it means to do "God's Will"...

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone". (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2010:18&version=NIV) Here Jesus gives us an example that many will interpret it as 'humility', however, it actually shows he was very much aware that each human being is a living embodiment of God, experiencing a different level of spiritual understanding and awareness.

Therefore God is All There Is, and at a higher level of perception "good & evil" don't exist because we're all One. IMHO, 'humility' is a tool that TPTB use to keep humanity in a state of authoritative 'fear of God', where it's easily controlled and manipulated. That kind of 'humility' has nothing to do with 'true spirituality'.


"New age teaching very cleverly demoted God with the concept of co-creator. The ego love that though."

A dominant ego loves itself, and wants you to believe that you have no potential -- you are not your 'true Self; God'. It likes to limit yourself to a false identity through traditional beliefs, dogmas and mind concepts.


"Thats why the sages say enlightenment can not be spoken of it can only be experienced. It is beyond debate. Words are not sufficient to describe that state."

We alone make the decision if we want to achieve enlightenment by 'breaking free of the false identity veil' (ego mind). We all have free will, and the freedom of choice... When does this happen? When we face the oneness of our existence and recognize there is no other joy that can exist except the joy of being an active part of the whole. This joy of oneness allows us to truthfully experience the freedom of our own individual existence, and with the highest realization that all that really maters is our love for one another.

As you mentioned Chris, enlightenment can not be spoken, it has to be done. Jesus taught us what the "enlightenment state" really is, to love unconditionally, to have compassion and be kind, and to be of service to others without discriminating. When we realize this enlightenment, and come together in Unity of Love Consciousness, then greater things are possible while we enter a new paradigm in a New Earth.

Much Love to All

[greybeard]

Well said Dan.
I dont think any one honestly seeking spiritual truth would be offended by anything you post.
Language does not do truth justice as you say.
The closest one can get is as said "Only God is"
Chris

Namaste

[truthseekerdan]

"Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:10&version=KJV)

In other words God's Will is to be done "As above so below". As we come from Unity (Oneness) to experience this 'illusion' of separation and divisiveness with all its differences and diversities in the physical below. We learn through this amnesia with its limitations to eventually progress and awaken to our true spiritual nature. To know our true nature we need to make 'an effort' to connect to our higher self ('oversoul above') for spiritual guidance, understanding and knowing the truth beyond sensory perception. We then are ready to 'evolve' to something beyond our physical being by knowing that through our finite existence, the infinite expresses itself. This awareness is the impulsive nature of love. Love without conditions is the heart of universal unity in consciousness.

Much Love

[truthseekerdan]

As a human being, you will make mistakes in arriving at truth. Do not allow remorse to become a Prompter. Be joyful that error has disclosed truth. To err is human. Evil is human. But evil is illusion, nothing more. It dissipates in front of good almost magically, and every error in your life is for the purpose of revealing truth to you and not to stultify your divinity in shame and remorse and fear. There will be evil in the world until man completes his progress to a oneness with God (All That Is).

For there will be error until all truth is known. You will make mistakes. You cannot live and not make mistakes. But this you can do. You can suffer the consequence of each mistake only once and no more. Find a man who has suffered a score of defeats and you will find a great soul. He may know more of truth than the man who has won a half dozen victories. The man with the half dozen victories knows a half dozen truths. While the man with a score of defeats may know twenty truths!

Much Love and Unity

[sirac]

Dan, Chris greetings and thank-you for a lively and enlightening thread,
this is for Nameth:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
---Quote (Originally by Ernie Nemeth)---
I wish to love Jesus again, my brother, and to recognize The Christ he represents. He is the road to my salvation only because he has been my role model since I was a child. I need him to be a man, to be my brother, so that I can look into the eyes of the Created and see the Source of its Love.

Peace
---End Quote---
The strength of skepticism and ignorance on Earth is extraordinary. Priests, officials and media continuously manipulate information, so people are scared and confused and therefore easier to control and exploit. Today teachings of Christ are perverted beyond recognition, far from what they actually represent.

Fear of God is preached and people continue to torture and kill one another in the name of God and religion. The Universal Law of “Loving one another” seems much too advanced for the great majority of people on Earth. We need to wake up, before time runs out...
Much Love ~ Dan

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This is indeed so, religion having being used to suppress the masses. a probable mechanistic is that they use the ego and ego ulterification to affect this. a healthy eog therefore being important, but ego regulation is more important as we would see by greybeards steps that they are controlled in the path to enlightenment {never knew that Greybeard was so aware of the effects of the New Age setting of ego which is pathologic}.
But few of these religious would have known that they could have effected enlightment of an initiate class by their teachings. i also evolved up from the stockade of catholic educated youths. Nietzsche perhaps cause he shared this same setting writes powerfully [so-that we can understand by our tool sets] to break this mold and set it[/us] up for a new thing.
Actually it is my latest field of exoteric studies which lead me to beleive that the religious orders never wanted to effect enlightenment of the masses. I believe the Manichaeans had an initial understanding of this i crave to find out....

[truthseekerdan]

"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken." (Mark 13:24-25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2013:24-25&version=ESV))


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5U1FTP-D1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5U1FTP-D1E

[truthseekerdan]

Thought into the great creative Universal Subconscious Mind plus faith can equal only one thing and that is physical reality. It matters not whether the thought is good or evil, if the faith is there it will manifest, for that is the law. Thought plus faith creates!

Believe you will fail and you will. Believe you will succeed and you will. Believe you will be well and you will be. Believe you will be sick and you will be. Believe you are unloved and you are. Believe you are unattractive and you are. Jesus said: "Verily, I say unto you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say unto this mountain move hither, and the mountain shall move."

Evil could not be anything other than the result of man's belief. Observe the triad of the orient, "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil," whence it follows like the night the day, there then can be no evil.
We must see evil as it really is, simply illusion, simply pain response, a wrong track taken, an experiment toward truth, but always illusion, a wraith-like ephemeral thing that dissipates like the fog at morning when it is denied.

Much Love

[Ernie Nemeth]

In one of my books I declare: God is dead. Long live God!

There is no escaping the intrinsic in the metaphysical realm, for it is the same in the physical universe. In the universe it is called the vacuum, the nothingness, zero. In metaphysics it is called The Source, All that Is, the infinite.

Emmanuel Kant seemed to sum this up in the Critiques as thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis. Did he imply the intrinsic in that discourse? To be honest, I am not sure.

The absolute surrounds us and suffuces us and enfolds us, there is no escaping it.

We did not create ourselves.

Only our image of self.

Peace

[greybeard]

In one of my books I declare: God is dead. Long live God!

There is no escaping the intrinsic in the metaphysical realm, for it is the same in the physical universe. In the universe it is called the vacuum, the nothingness, zero. In metaphysics it is called The Source, All that Is, the infinite.

Emmanuel Kant seemed to sum this up in the Critiques as thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis. Did he imply the intrinsic in that discourse? To be honest, I am not sure.

The absolute surrounds us and suffuces us and enfolds us, there is no escaping it.

We did not create ourselves.

Only our image of self.

Peace

Yes Ernie that is the paradox
Nothing has the ability to create it self yet we are God.
We created the false self --ego---.
Big mistake ----laughing

Seriously the ego has served its purpose, time to move on

Thanks again
Chris

[truthseekerdan]

We did not create ourselves.

Only our image of self.

Peace

Dear Ernie,

Let me share my understanding in regards to your thought, if I may. If you're referring here to 'our spiritual self', then that spirit or consciousness is or was not created. It has always been in existence as part(s) in unity of the whole Universal Consciousness that we humans call God. This 'Universal Consciousness Mind', projected (created) all the energy that we as humans form see and experience in this Physical Universe. Now, this physical body that is still energy at a lower vibration, is 'inhabited' by a fragment (spark) of 'your spiritual self' that is also known as 'your higher self', to experience this 3D reality.

Since the 3D realm is a holographic projection, you can say that this is a creation of our collective 'spiritual self consciousnesses', pretty much like a virtual game with characters and in this case human beings with egos. This is just a metaphorical comparison in order to be understood with the human mind. This is 'my shared truth' at this time, however, I totally understand if you don't agree with me on it.

Blessings and Much Love

[Eternal_One]

First I would meditate seriously on David hawkins insights on the subject:

- It is not an enemy to be attacked and defeated, nor is it an evil to be vanquished. It is dissolved by compassionate understanding.

- The ego confuses wants and needs and is impatient. It is constantly demanding and wanting. The very focal point and source of the ego […] is focused on survival. It's desires and wants are deemed to be essential because of the ego's beliefs about survival. The ego therefore has to 'get' or 'keep' and acquire because it views itself as separate and therefore dependent on external sources of supply. These may take the form of energy, attention, possessions, status, security, protection, image, money, gain, advantage, and power. Its primary view is lack, and with lack comes fear, need, greed, and even homicidal rage and threats. Fear is its motor.

- The real you is not the ego. Refuse to identify with it.

- The core of the ego is a rebellious anarchist, atheist, and exhibitionist that expects life to be an endless Roman orgy,

- The ego's basic illusion is that it is God and that without it, death would occur.

- See the ego as your pet. Befriend and understand it.

- Survival is me, ego, the animal is driven by hungryness, never enough, the core of the ego is wantingness. It wants more of everything, is greedy, desiring, insatiable, you cannot satisfy it. The average person is driven by this instinct, this primitivism. This is the basic nature of the ego, survival. Once you know that, you can have compassion for it [the ego] and treat it like a pet.

- The ego has an endless storehouse of prizes on which to feed. It greedily pounces
on sentimentality,
on the virtue of being right,
on the prize of being the victim, or
on the martyrdom of loss and sadness.
It also offers the excitement of winning or gain as well as the pain of frustration.
It offers the ego inflation of getting attention or sympathy. One can see that each emotion is, in and of itself, its own payoff

- The crux of the ego is its addiction to the juice of positionalities. You only have to focus on that one point. If you want to understand the ego, you have to understand the amoeba. The amoeba needs to get. The non-linear has a probe in linearity, and that's your ego. It's checking: Is this molecule good, is this one good? It's information processing. Before it gets invested in something, it checks it out. When we find out what about the ego is it that we need to surrender? It’s the experiencer. It's only the experiencing that matters ? it isn't even just the juice, it’s the experience of the juice.

- There's really only one thing you have to let go of. You don't have to give up any particular negativity or positionality. You just have to give up the payoff, the juice.
Could you? Of course ? but would you? It's then a matter of will, but not human will, which is only as strong as your level of consciousness. It's only by surrender; now it's spiritual, Divine will.


Then on this:

"No want" is the greatest bliss. It can be realised only by experience. Even an emperor is no match for a man with no want. The emperor has got vassals under him. But the other man is not aware of anyone beside the Self. Which is better?

Become a no want person.

Overcoming the ego’s hold:
1. Stop being offended.
2. Let go of your need to win.
3. Let go of your need to be right.
4. Let go of your need to be superior.
5. Let go of your need to have more.
6. Let go of identifying yourself on the basis of your achievements.
7. Let go of your reputation.

So to tame your ego, you need to stop relying on it. Don't give him any chance to get a hold on you. Let go everything.

The key is divine surrender : Leave everything in the hand of the creator. Not My Will, but Thine, Be Done. Let "it" decide for you, let the creator ink write thru you. Do not concern yourself with what you know or what you do not know.

Do not think about the past or the future; merely allow the creator's hands to write the surprises of the present on each new day.

Become a divine instrument, where the creator is just playing thru you.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Dear Dan,

The self image I was referring to is the idea of self that we are all encouraged to manufacture. In this way we create ourselves and never realize that our Self is not ours to define. We are what we are, despite our best efforts to disguise our true selves under the cloak of the self image.

Peace

[truthseekerdan]

Dear Dan,

The self image I was referring to is the idea of self that we are all encouraged to manufacture. In this way we create ourselves and never realize that our Self is not ours to define. We are what we are, despite our best efforts to disguise our true selves under the cloak of the self image.

Peace

Dear Ernie,

I did indeed realized that, however, my post was more generalized for all. :)
Below is a quote that I saved some time ago from a blog, because it resonates with my understanding and heart intuition. Hope it will enlighten at least a few that read here. ;) Much Love

"In spiritual work, we hear a lot about the so-called 'false self'. We may then decide, based on our new found information, to distance ourselves from this 'self', and look for something else we have heard of : the real 'Self'. This splitting of our 'selves', sad to say, becomes just another trap of the mind to keep us lost in the realm of thought. After some honest self-observation, we may see that we have invented a problem so that we might continue unabated in our love affair with thought. Fearing a loss of continuity of thought, which we equate with death, we enter a new 'spiritual' realm in which we can become lost for years, perhaps lifetimes. Let us take a look at this realm of thought and its various selves, and see why we worship it so, this paradox, this trap of mind and fear from which few escape."

[greybeard]

Devotion is the corner stone to all spiritual practice
Dr Hawkins spent a life time in devotion and the desire to serve others
A fine example to all.
Even though he is in his 80s he has not lost his sense of humor as is evident from the video clip.
He jokes about the state of enlightenment being non locational. (everywhere)
He has said often that he his not actually in the body.
That takes some believing but all accounts of that state that I have read, say the state is omni potent, omni present, time less and formless, eternal.
We tend to believe that enlightened ones are pious saints, that is not the case as far as I understand it--- but they are Love.
If all you see in the video is an old man than you are of course right.

Chris

Thanks Muz for the video-- any more that you fin feel free to post here.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmGwe5bZa8o&feature=player_embedded#at=46

[truthseekerdan]

Not to disappoint you Chris, but Dr. Hawkins reminds me of some charismatic religious preachers (that I wont mention here), that also have PhD's, and are very schooled into the mental stuff...
Asking, "What is the Truth?" is a demolition project. Most of spirituality is a construction project. We're ascending and ascending.... It just keeps building, and a person feels, "I'm getting better and better." But enlightenment is a demolition project. Many people ask, "How do I integrate my spirituality into everyday life?" You don't. You can't. How could you integrate it? You can't stuff the infinite into your limited life.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25018-Consciousness-Calibration-Spiritual-Personal-Growth-inside&p=261563#post261563

[greybeard]

Not to disappoint you Chris, but Dr. Hawkins reminds me of some charismatic religious preachers (that I wont mention here), that also have PhD's, and are very schooled into the mental stuff...
Asking, "What is the Truth?" is a demolition project. Most of spirituality is a construction project. We're ascending and ascending.... It just keeps building, and a person feels, "I'm getting better and better." But enlightenment is a demolition project. Many people ask, "How do I integrate my spirituality into everyday life?" You don't. You can't. How could you integrate it? You can't stuff the infinite into your limited life.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25018-Consciousness-Calibration-Spiritual-Personal-Growth-inside&p=261563#post261563

Sorry Dan but you have a very limited knowledge of Dr H teachings.
He is about removing obstacles- belief systems all concepts must go..
Enlightenment is your true Self obstacles must go--- the teaching is not about adding it is about removing.
The teaching is in line with Nasargadatta-- Ramesh -- Ramana-- Tolle and others that I have read over a thirty year period.
You are welcome to your thoughts Dan for as you know in ultimate Truth there is only God which is unconditional Love that is why Hawkins starts and ends his talks with Gloria in Excelsus Deo.
With humility and devotion Hawkins acknowledges God as Creator,

Chris
Namaste

[greybeard]

This is a short resume of Dr Hawkins Career.
It speaks for itself.
He is very clear that the mind will take you so far then the intellect is a barrier to further progress.

I dont follow a particular teacher but I am indebted to various teachers
Chris

Dr. Hawkins entered the field of medicine to alleviate human pain and distress, and his work as a physician was pioneering. As Medical Director of the North Nassau Mental Health Center (1956-1980) and Director of Research at Brunswick Hospital (1968-1979) on Long Island, his clinic was the largest practice in the United States, including a suite of twenty-five offices, two thousand outpatients, and several research laboratories. In 1973, he co-authored the ground-breaking work, Orthomolecular Psychiatry with Nobel Laureate chemist Linus Pauling, initiating a new field within psychiatry.

His clinical breakthroughs brought appearances on The Today Show, The Barbara Walters Show and The Mcneil/Leher News Hour. In the 1970s, he co-founded several psychiatric organizations, including the Editorial Board of the Journal of Schizophrenia and the Attitudinal Healing Center in New York.

Many awards followed, such as The Huxley Award for the "Inestimable Contribution to the Alleviation of Human Suffering," Physicians Recognition Award by the American Medical Association, 50-Year Distinguished Life Fellow by the American Psychiatric Association, the Orthomolecular Medicine Hall of Fame, and a nomination for the prestigious Templeton Prize that honors progress in Science and Religion. In 1995, in a ceremony officiated by the H.H. Prince Valdemar of Schaumburg-Lippe at the San Anselmo Theological Seminary, he became a knight of the Sovereign Order of the Hospitaliers of St. John of Jerusalem (founded in 1077) in recognition of his contributions to humanity.

[truthseekerdan]

Chris, with all due respect you sound like worshipping D. H. He wont get you into "Heaven". ;)
Get rid of all of your illusions and what’s left is the truth. You don’t find truth as much as you stumble upon it when you have cast away your illusions. It is so important to be more hooked on the truth than on wanting to get rid of identity. So if you want to find out how openness relates to each moment, just go inside. Be that openness. Be that emptiness.


Sorry Dan but you have a very limited knowledge of Dr H teachings.

I know, however, some have more knowledge, and are letting others know how to protect themselves. Somebody posted this link in another thread:

http://www.spiritualteachers.org/david_hawkins.htm

Much Love and wisdom

[greybeard]

The Self of the Master is the same Self as the spiritual aspirant.

The Master knows this and even though they could leave this world
remain to serve the ignorant (lacking knowledge of Truth) self.

The traditional teachings tended to have a linage as do the Red Indians

Hawkins says that a teacher may be respected but only God is to be devoted to.
Devotion is the corner stone of traditional spiritual teaching.
The God within the Guru was worshiped not the Guru--- there is a subtle but major difference,

In actual fact it is the search for Spiritual Truth that one devotes ones life to.
Not a personage.
The teacher is the conduit through which the teaching comes.
Eckhart Tolle confirms this also as does Rumi and all other sages I have read.
The God with in the Guru, Sage, Master is the same God that is within all.

The teacher is respected.
Respect is a form of love.
The teacher serves the spiritual aspirant not the other way about.

Chris

[greybeard]

You could compare the energy of God to electricity and the person to a light bulb.
Some light bulbs shine exceedingly bright some are dim.
Same electricity.
Whats the difference?
In the 40watt bulb there is a lot of resistance.
In the brilliant light bulb there is very little.

So we can resist the power of God or let it flow through.
The enlightened one who is ego less is a clear channel for that power to flow.
The ego sets up the degree of resistance.
The enlightened light up the life of all (collective consciousness.)
Yet Eckhart Tolle has likened enlightenment in this heavy density world to "graduating into kindergarten", it is only a start, yet seems complete.
Eckhart also says that the ego begins the spiritual search because it thinks it is going to be an enlightened ego, there is no ego left at the end of it, and the ego being the person-- there is no person left to claim enlightenment.
Chris

[greybeard]

Mooji tells a joke





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O6RizcAigs&feature=player_embedded

[greybeard]

Science explaining M fields and human hierarchy
Fits in with the various fields of consciousness.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4105824266525326404

[greybeard]

Papaji
one of Ramana's "students" is some what reluctant at first however!!!!

http://www.avadhuta.com/

[Star]

Dear Chris,

I met Dr. Hawkins in 2003 while living in a spiritual community in Sedona near him. I was exposed to a video he made and one woman there was his secretary. Unfortunately, I had to leave and could not get to meet him in person. I did, however, order most of his books, in which he details the story of his enlightenment experience as a young child. It is in all the books I have. He has pioneered Kinesiology and the fact the the body/true Self does not lie and knows when lies are being told by his simple formula.

I think he was called to be a Teacher, who lives a very real life, has a sense of humor, and knows who he is. I like the way he talks about raising one's level of Consciousness and his books all have a tremendous amount of information on ego and ego transcendence among so many other things. I believe we are led to those teachers/teachings that speak to us individually. I believe the teachings of Eckhart Tolle in the Power of Now, which is really a way to transcend the ego, also taught by Krishnamurti, who taught without reference to God/Deity, but was saying the same thing. Thinking is the ego! Meditation is the key to entering the Void where all Truth lies and all Guidance. The still small voice that is not the ego which only reaches us through stillness/silence of the mind.

Thank you for all the fine posts here and for starting this thread. I have been busy on so many other threads, but I finally got here and wanted to add my 2 cents worth. Inevitably, IMHO, I need to let go of my teachers/teachings/training wheels/ and be still and listen to my own guidance. We are all part of the same Source, although there are many paths.

Love & Light,
Star

[truthseekerdan]

Inevitably, IMHO, I need to let go of my teachers/teachings/training wheels/ and be still and listen to my own guidance. We are all part of the same Source, although there are many paths.

Definitely when we understand ourselves, we understand truth. It is the personal psychological depths and meaning of reality that reveals the inner self to be at the center of non-self. Through non-self, the inner self and a broader universal state of consciousness are in complete and cooperative union.

Seek balance not perfection. Work for the good of the whole. Desire little and fear nothing. Everything we know is within us. Everything we are is within us. Everything we will be is within us. All that awaits us is within us right now in the present moment.

Love & Wisdom

Dan

[greybeard]

Even seeking balance must go Lol
Balance could be seen as a judgment-- an arbitrary point of view.
One mans ceiling another mans floor and so on
Seeking implies future gain.

Thats the problem with words they are incapable of describing the essence of the state called enlightenment.

I used to be pulled this way and that way depending on what book I was reading so eventually I realized that if I was serious about the path of enlightenment then it made sense to focus on the teaching of those in that state.
The stories are remarkably similar.

Fear and apprehension as the ego finally died, was common.
Then various states of bliss, unio mystico (cant spell)
Then the mystic settled into a state of peace, timeless formless, omni present, omni potent.

The Mystic can truly say "I am the totality all of it"

The mind cant conceive that, the ego wants it but fears it.

The state of enlightenment has been well documented for thousands of years, it is our destiny.
It is the ultimate human condition, we then do not need to incarnate on earth again, we have spiritually evolved beyond it

The caterpillar becomes the butterfly, two different states entirely.

Our essence is Formless (the "soul" can not be seen-measured or any of that)

We are form, formless, both and neither, try explaining that.

Until the state of enlightenment happens by the Grace of God then it is a concept not a reality.
Every mystic is in union with God yet accepts that God is to be loved and devotion shown.
Lack of humility is a major obstacle.
The wave is not the Ocean.

Chris

[sirac]

Greetings Chris/Greybeard,
haven't followed your thread for a while but coming here i stepped across a few gems,if i was here, hawking here, u may have grown tired of me already.

i come to your post above.
i decided that you guys don't know, neither does anyone accurately know what is referred to in the ego.
(acknowledging seeming regulation points that seem to come out of your work...i did that acknowledge, but i've kept my distance)

"
Fear and apprehension as the ego finally died, was common.
Then various states of bliss, unio mystico (cant spell)
Then the mystic settled into a state of peace, timeless formless, omni present, omni potent.

The Mystic can truly say "I am the totality all of it"

The mind cant conceive that, the ego wants it but fears it"

i've experienced that, but i'm scared of it, is it not the same as dying,
having our interests so completely removed from this world,
what would it have to sustain it if it does not have the conscious of our desire pushing it.
this death of the thing i encountered on the path.
..how easy is it....easy.....one soon realizes they have no hope,
then they have abstracted themselves from the situation, removed their offensed emotions from the interaction...getting the overpespective,
then removing oneself.
yes bliss, one is now in the eternal,
but what of crying...that things could be so in the first placee.
i hope i have not forgotten how to kill, ..a new enemy i seek

[Carmen]

Actually you can think of the ego as a pet. One that you need to train so that its not out of control. Some egos need to be taught not to bite!! These Pets/egos of ours need to be patted frequently and reassured, especially when other pets growl at them or bite them. Some pets are quite ferocious and others are wee scared things. I had great fun this morning thinking of my ego as a pet, one that I was training to be a good boy/girl. Must have been bored!!!!!

[sirac]

Actually you can think of the ego as a pet. One that you need to train so that its not out of control. Some egos need to be taught not to bite!! These Pets/egos of ours need to be patted frequently and reassured, especially when other pets growl at them or bite them. Some pets are quite ferocious and others are wee scared things. I had great fun this morning thinking of my ego as a pet, one that I was training to be a good boy/girl. Must have been bored!!!!!

this is purely research:
any output of the soul can said to be ego.
i think the soul puts out a design, and the design becomes animated with desire leading to something we call the ego.

there is a moment beyond breadth (or with some exercise of breathing that my dad used to unconsciously do)
inwhich the soul can be identified.
the best piece on soul {by my classifications} on the forum is the last post of 9eagle9 on the inelia thread at the moment

[sirac]

Chris, aren't we talking about vessel making here,
what do they say about it. (i'm taking as your node function the repository of knowledge of this)

[Jayke]

Actually you can think of the ego as a pet. One that you need to train so that its not out of control. Some egos need to be taught not to bite!! These Pets/egos of ours need to be patted frequently and reassured, especially when other pets growl at them or bite them. Some pets are quite ferocious and others are wee scared things. I had great fun this morning thinking of my ego as a pet, one that I was training to be a good boy/girl. Must have been bored!!!!!

I turned my ego into a pet dragon, he loves a good game of fetch, always have it digging around for new insights and inspiration...flying off into distant lands to bring back the treasures of the inner mind. Also makes a great guard pet, any other egos intruding on our sacred space tend to get rudely awakened with a baptism of fire lol we make a great team. :)

[Carmen]

Mine sometimes gets out of control and I have to reprimand him and apologise to other pets. You dont have to apologise to Gods/enlightened beings, cos they dont bat an eyelid at pet antics.!!! They sometimes have the same problem with their pets.:rolleyes:

[Jayke]

Mine sometimes gets out of control and I have to reprimand him and apologise to other pets. You dont have to apologise to Gods/enlightened beings, cos they dont bat an eyelid at pet antics.!!! They sometimes have the same problem with their pets.:rolleyes:

Or they've just mastered the art of forgiveness so no apologies need be given, it's all water under a bridge as far as they're concerned...even enlightened beings incur a bit of bad karma on themeslves but then they know how to wash it off again right away so they never really let it bother them lol

[greybeard]

Good to see the humor here.
Love Chris

[The Mad spirtualist]

When conscious awareness rules the ego takes orders!

[Ernie Nemeth]

From Sheldrakes explanation I see his morphogenic fields as thoughtforms. Since no thought leaves the mind of the thinker, we must reside within a Mind. Morphic resonance could then be viewed as moments of revelation, when truth of the One Mind dawns on the individual, ego mind. If morphic fields are more like habits than laws as he claims, that only further supports my contention that morphic fields are thoughtforms. Thoughts are habit-forming and draw like thoughts unto themselves. Finally, the extended mind idea is only valid if there are more than one mind, which is a false interpretation or a perception of reality. ESP is natural because we all share One Mind - like in a nested hierarchical structure.

His lines of inquiry are very provacative.

[sirac]

From Sheldrakes explanation I see his morphogenic fields as thoughtforms. Since no thought leaves the mind of the thinker, we must reside within a Mind. Morphic resonance could then be viewed as moments of revelation, when truth of the One Mind dawns on the individual, ego mind. If morphic fields are more like habits than laws as he claims, that only further supports my contention that morphic fields are thoughtforms. Thoughts are habit-forming and draw like thoughts unto themselves. Finally, the extended mind idea is only valid if there are more than one mind, which is a false interpretation or a perception of reality. ESP is natural because we all share One Mind - like in a nested hierarchical structure.

His lines of inquiry are very provacative.

Great Nemeth, i was wondering this recently,..."how is Nemeth so preeminent amongst us". & now i see some indication of your base structure. Indeed i trust your operatance!
we must move onto the subject of Hive Minds very carefully, like thin ice.....we do not want to go the route of the greys. ((if one wonders how they got to that routing...i.e. cause it very pathological to a human specie to go that direction.. its worthwhile remembering of them[greys] that some say they plants. then there is the supercollective of the Repitilians, i wonder how we can set about analysing their hive structure. But it may not fall on such ends. i think humans and reps are absolute posits of reality. they will destroy each other unless they in their highest form,,& so we know we are not their yet)){{greatings for this day, see you'all Monday}}

[Ernie Nemeth]

I have no direct knowledge of aliens of any kind, so I cannot comment from that perspective.

Thoughts are like little vortexes of energy and intention that cannot leave the mind of the thinker. But they can extend to other minds and thereby increase the energy of the original thought. As more minds share the idea, more energy is added to the thought. If an idea catches on like that it is said to be in morphogenic resonance. It explains how belief systems and structures of authority gain power and exhert control over its believers.

But if there is only One Mind, One Heart, One Spirit, One Reality then there must be only One Thought as well. The mystery is that this is not what we experience. The miracle is those moments when we do.

What sort of Creator gives All to all? Only the Source, The Godhead, The Absolute.
The rest are demi-gods playing games of fantasy.

As to my preeminence, I am flattered. But you must not have read some of my earlier posts on this thread. No, I am a humble student, merely offering to teach in order to learn.

Peace

[Ernie Nemeth]

Was surfing the net and came upon this little video. It explains vortexes in light of new understandings in physics and cosmology.

http://www.starseeds.net/video/ftf-films-spacetime

[ocean]

Love is the only reality.

[sirac]

yes ernie, i realize u have no direct knowledge of aliens, just as i, just as jordan maxwell,
yet this is what makes us central man of this node....all phase energies we have dealt with are those of our fellow men,
& we are to sort out the nebulous thoughts and orientate the whole,...that way all of us would move to the point where we meet aliens

[Ernie Nemeth]

Okay Sirac,

Yes, I believe that aliens from other worlds exist and that they are here now. But that level of "operance" is not my pervue. I wish to deal with the level where my Self benefits and where this drama gets its energy. The physical, material realm is where our beliefs are enacted. I wish to engage that level where those beliefs are formed and from which change begins.

[greybeard]

Okay Sirac,

Yes, I believe that aliens from other worlds exist and that they are here now. But that level of "operance" is not my pervue. I wish to deal with the level where my Self benefits and where this drama gets its energy. The physical, material realm is where our beliefs are enacted. I wish to engage that level where those beliefs are formed and from which change begins.

Agree Ernie
For me the bottom line is that I believe in a loving God.
When I eventually depart this world all that is really meaningful is how many people did I help?

I dont have the slightest problem with there is or is not, other realms, aliens and the rest of it, but all came into being through the grace of The One.
I see a problem if I put any being before the God of my understanding.
In the words of The Buddha " Put no head above your own"
There seems to be a tendency for people to look for salvation in all kinds of places.

Love
Chris

[sirac]

Okay Sirac,

Yes, I believe that aliens from other worlds exist and that they are here now. But that level of "operance" is not my pervue. I wish to deal with the level where my Self benefits and where this drama gets its energy. The physical, material realm is where our beliefs are enacted. I wish to engage that level where those beliefs are formed and from which change begins.

Agree Ernie
For me the bottom line is that I believe in a loving God.
When I eventually depart this world all that is really meaningful is how many people did I help?

I dont have the slightest problem with there is or is not, other realms, aliens and the rest of it, but all came into being through the grace of The One.
I see a problem if I put any being before the God of my understanding.
In the words of The Buddha " Put no head above your own"
There seems to be a tendency for people to look for salvation in all kinds of places.

Love
Chris

greetings...you respond both with the right spirit..be very careful of sirac..propaganda is what his voice spreads..a mode of being relative to the world.
yet you have treated me banally (no big thing amongst friends for I've only communicated with you two in two way most often)..{oh we have a spell check now, its dictionary is still too limited}
did i greybeard imply any head above my own?(& in so doing imply that u should have a head above your own).
Greybeard..let me tell you of the single post ramblings of my here recently within your thread.
if ego can be said to be any output of the soul, and ego normally abrogated, then..what we need is a vessel creation not subject to change or degradation...a vessel so to speak made from the soul (ego therefore perhaps) but that we don't need broken..how do we go above that
i thinks you's being banal to me, for your spirit has moved against the implications i have made..
that that one should have node functions (& sirac speaks of high society of one day)..assigning a node function to approach this problem i said..Greybeard, have node function of repository of knowledge on this..put forth the knowledge to us, and let us consider how to make a vessel.
how Nemeth responded to this subtle propaganda of me assigning him a node function of those who {by my words}'systemize knowledge' is apparent.
but..you's seem not to know that i take the voice of many audiences in consideration {{& some of these audiences would tend to move us}}..i have therefore perfected a dance in the middle abrogating or scaring them..over-awareness of them (but now i have tendency to speak in riddles,..let me see if i can address Ernie specifically)
all i can say is still, you have treated me banally, but i know your response, no use to waste time, i must run without

[sirac]

treated me banally how... yes necessarily you must do this now to abrogate the touch i have had on you.
but the implications of what you have done..
aliens would look to see what they can see of spirit and high society within us..and by us. the aim is that they cannot subdefine us by any one thing and so leave us aside.
everything of everytime, every strength and every emminence is ours

[greybeard]

Hi sirac
I was speaking in generalities regarding putting others on pedestal.
You are not being treated banally.
You are welcome to post on this thread.
Just because I dont understand where you are coming from or going to, does not make you wrong or me right for that matter.
My path is traditional devotional non-duality--advaita--- my knowledge of other paths is very superficial so I cant comment on yours.

Regards Chris

[sirac]

no need to worry Chris, i'd invite myself to where-ever my interest leads me, & most often it leads me here.
point/communication taken ((thanx))

[sirac]

very interesting,
you've given me a-bit of something to hook into...and where better to find 'dealers in interesting stuff' than avalon [?]

non-duality--advaita

advaita...thats a very deep path by what i'm wiki'ing
but why couple 'non-duality' in that statement?...non-dual about what?

"Advaita) is unmatched (with other schools) for its metaphysical depth and logical power"...within or among schools of hinduism.

wow,..i think when i was still a lurker on avalon i came across you describing something of perhaps for you Travels or Learning..or training from masters...(is it not?)

Kind Regards
(as they always fakingly say on business e-mails, but truely i mean it here)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sirac,

I will agree I have treated you banally. But with good reason. Your words are choppy, slightly disjointed and non-conventional. I was trying to be polite and respect your point of view. Are you using the tanslator function? That is what I wanted to ask from the outset. And I regret not having done so.

Otherwise, I feel your input here has much potential. Not that I'm in any position to judge except for myself.

Respectfully,(And I mean it too)
Ernie

[Seikou-Kishi]

I agree with Ernie; Sirac, your responses to the various posts don't show a great deal of lucidity. I am not really certain how Ernie and Greybeard have managed to discourse with you, because I for one haven't a clue what you might be getting at; it seems full of thoughts that lead nowhere and ideas that aren't even remotely connected.

[sirac]

cool point taken,
regards ernie nemeth & oliver S

[sirac]

24hour processing time...standard. I don't use a language translator {though i'd take any excuse ignorance can give me}, mod would know this,..unless it was from his personality it came from [--statement structure], so lucidity axis [on data] is well taken and should be addressed. I dispose over two germanic languages, one being english, & the other {one can't expect that we localize each other} being a reverse structure on english. So it could be said that i have access to the central germanic language german, & thats nice for me, cause of all european languages it is the best for philosophy. life chance has had for me, that while i don't use it, i do have a deep knowledge of the structures of english (the stuff normal speakers use but don't know, i do know them but don't use them ...kind of thing :{{ah, now i see why my writing gets confused, for i almost write like a speak, and at other times i write prose......unrelated for you, but still illuminating is that i can systemize language structure so much that if i write a line describing something..it can be said to be computer generated....these things...well there is not a name for it, so i select visual names...like rotate ..except not said as rotate, ro-at the first part truncated. Okay lets finish while we near..(such a line is narrative style, & way of dealing with audience)...all english words can shift freely between adjective adverb verb and noun...merely by changing the ending...only a few of these are 'english languagely' recognised, but i tend to do it on all words. Okay, then i admit, i do impose alot of other sh*t in my writing systems,...cause i tend toward exploration..so point taken, don't explore overly}})
Final point [before lucidity], thanx Nemeth for engaging, merely being polite to engage a point of view. but understand why i was impressed, here was a man laying there own system of values, though they did not understand as much as the masters, yet still they had base instincts about what is right {take that base instinct..it means bad instinct, but the axis i normally make on such a line is to ..'mean exactly what i say'..so for me base instinct is simply 'deep as from core instinct'}
lucidity. i thought if mods can do anything...wondering to themself..em...this is some Russian spy, let me read his application letter again... well, then i thought the jigg is up. Names i see are pretty big here. Everybody can be called on a name basis in addition to their nick. i'll say my initials are FA, and the 'clan name' to separate us from those with same surname at FA TA TF (JH) and SJ. I'll give the name of the partriach.. only name which is not english.. Sybrandt Johannes. (let me not give the interpretation of that, if u cannot deduce, cause i don't want to subject myself to the judgements of another group of people who if i take on their name would judge me for coherence within/or from their output, but i'm not only from this culture group, my mother gives me access to an eastern tribe that had a maternal hierachy base..a good thing if i think about it, cause in a male heirachy base, one is a small dog before one plays with the big dogs, but in a maternal hierachy base one can skip to being a lion. my mum is also catholic, so i do not see catholicism as central to our house. If i speak of a cohort, i mean something like N.Hills master mind principle. i have had two friends which have served as teachers to me. one during school, & he will become a high level priest, black though his learnt in German {i read that was the catholic churches preferred switch/path to abrogate the tradition of scholarship that came from the germans that was threatening to break the catholic church}, & i trained in mind and disposition in uni with a guy who will become a pre-eminent physicist. myself, the professional base which enriches my writing is writing systems which come from within biology, research biology). And the final thing about "I for one haven't a clue what you might be getting at; it seems full of thoughts that lead nowhere and ideas that aren't even remotely connected"...well i know that i can come across as this. my 1st study system, & the one i took in expression of 'myness' & to reach my father more throughly {{{life is a series of hungers which predispose u to a path, it was so in my mind once that i needed to reach him}}} was psychology, & i got to know many typing systems of psychology. i broke with most of them, would control & be able to type with them, but let go because of processing time and weakness it predisposed me to; finally i settled in peace on processing systems related to personality as described in Mayan Chart Systems. in one Mayan chart system (the most basic one) i'm wind...i.e. that one that knows many things superficially (i.e. versus the order system where one knows one thing indepth). finally though its not asked, my original nick was sirach son of dirach. Sirach was my favorite apocrypha book (it has a E name, but one sees in the subtitles sirach son of ..). in university i encountered for a period the spirit of the mathemetician Dirac. so i said, since i am not comprehended but for my father, so i will call myself sirach son of dirach

[greybeard]

Talk by "me" on "Wash your brain" a new web site to help and support people waking up.

Chris

http://www.washyourbrain.org/Wash_Your_Brain/home/Entries/2011/7/27_WAKING_UP!.html

[The Mad spirtualist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvF3pOlx3Qg&NR=1

[greybeard]

David Sereda claims that what is happening with Sun just now will affect our evolution.
He is a much respected astrophysicist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmETSpZs99U

[Ernie Nemeth]

Well, thanks for clearing that up Sirac. lol :p

Seriously, I appreciate.

I'm not sure I like the idea of making a deal with the ...er... ego. But it could be a good preliminary method of introducing truth to the ego without threat - even if such a thing is a contradiction at higher levels of understanding.

David Sereda is onto something. The sun contains over 96% of all the matter in the solar system, you betcha its important! What happens to it, happens to us.

What exciting times to be alive.

[sirac]

Well, thanks for clearing that up Sirac. lol :p

Seriously, I appreciate.

I'm not sure I like the idea of making a deal with the ...er... ego. But it could be a good preliminary method of introducing truth to the ego without threat - even if such a thing is a contradiction at higher levels of understanding.

David Sereda is onto something. The sun contains over 96% of all the matter in the solar system, you betcha its important! What happens to it, happens to us.

What exciting times to be alive.

laughing this side too, ..knew it was there-in to surmise...'deal with the ego'.
well if that's what it seems as, u've said it, not i, my ideas would be more structured, but to exercise a thing like that without call is folly considering i have to spend so much energy at other places. a quicky, is that in my path of spiritual enlightenment i was schooled/tutored for a time in some japanese writings, in-which the writer saw that many young shogun/samurai (i forget now) were learning the religious arts,..yet the treatise was to instantiate that they wouldn't regard themselves as past or over the spirit of their fathers. perfect flavour for each age i call it, if familial line infatuation must be brought in to bear witness of its aim

[Ernie Nemeth]

If I understand correctly: my father cut our ties to a title of some sort from the homeland, Hungary. In Hungarian it is spelled Ur. It is similar to the British, Sir. Anyways my father did not want the title and passed it on to his sister instead. When I first heard I was upset that he had not consulted me but now I am happy we made that break with the old ways. I believe they do limit you in a certain, unseen fashion. Fashion is a good word because most of the traditions are not based in truth but custom. Still, there is much to be said for the humbling experience of contemplating the long line of ancestors upon whose successes and failures we stand today.

[sirac]

yes fathers fear correctly when some form of riches are based on blood*. once some philosophers of the near age (ca50years ago) said aesthetics was dead within the culture set,..the culture set as we see in the arts. correctomondo. but i believe we may have come within a unique time where aesthetics can said to be alive again in the expression forms of art..they certainly say more than intended. there is this japanese anime tale . let me not say more, this is a world of wonder. certainly it can be said that we can always live and draw and draw from the strongest, of any person culture or time. it is merely to take as they say in that gospel parable,..the x-denarai and sow it, by whatever small amount till it becomes more. knowing like this i can see why a class longs for battle.(but take my last sentence, i said sirac would be steeped in propoganda_ this is because he cannot give the proper systematic for want of space and attention, so he installs a stumbling block instead). *this may be banal of me to imply, but i am in no way applying correctude to myself

[Ernie Nemeth]

Well if you will not apply correctitude, far be it for anyone else to dissuade you. Why should that be banal?

Aesthetics in this sense meaning beauty versus function of form? Cannot the functional aesthetic of a form be beautiful? And expression art meaning multi-media like videos and animes? They do say a picture is worth a thousand words.

Perhaps the proper systematic is the one that unfolds in the course of time - in its own time, in its own way. To the delight of all involved.

Till then we but grope in the dark...

[greybeard]

A fun video that may have it right.
Whatever that is!!!!
Well worth watching.

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDMzvJOu9vQ&feature=related

[sirac]

thanx greatly Greybeard, your position occupies a couth on this forum.
hope u will tell us many phase parables in

hear this one.
i returned to a laundromat to return another mans jean; i merely returned to find a missing sock pair

[greybeard]

The true nature of reality
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYX-UDLr6q0&feature=related

[greybeard]

"In spiritual work there is no tangible worldly gain to be acquired, but there is instead an inner reward of pleasure, satisfaction, delight, and even joy.
Goals replace gains as motives.

Spiritual reality is a greater source of pleasure and satisfaction than the world can supply.
It is an endless and always available in the present instead of the future. It is actually more exciting to live on the crest of the current moment instead of on the back of the wave, which is the past, or on the front of the wave which is the future. There is greater freedom from living on the exciting edge of the moment than being a prisoner of the past or having expectation of the future.

If the goal of life is to do the very best one can do at each unfolding moment of existence, then, through spiritual work, one has already escaped the primary cause of suffering. In the stop-frame of the radical present,there is no life story to react to or edit. With this one pointedness of mind it becomes obvious that everything is merely “is as it is” without comment or adjectives.

If in the exact passing moment of each instant, there is a a complete willingness to totally surrender to it, one can suddenly, in a flash, transcending th ego, and the way opens for Realization wherein the Light of God as Self reveals the Source of all Existence and Reality. If the ego has neither past, present, nor future to focus on, it falls silent.
It is replaced by the Silence of the Presence, and thus, the way to sudden enlightenment is available at all times. It occurs naturally when the fascination with the story of the “me” of the past, present, or future is relinquished. The illusion of “Now” is replaced by th reality of “Always”

Question If that strict spiritual practice was followed exactly, wouldn't the “me” die?

Answer Yes it would, When it occurs, there will be no funeral because in Reality, there never was a “me”; it was simply an illusion all the time. When the “me” dies then the real “i” is born into awareness, which is the Unborn----the source of consciousness and existence."


Copied from page 94, I. Reality and Subjectivity by Dr David Hawkins


Chris

[greybeard]

Relationships


Men, some women too, tend to get fixated on “The Project” The project can take on many forms, it could be or a hobby or work or both.
The me is always reaching out for something in the future its goal orientated and looking for something to complete me to make me happy, to be some one. Its never happy in the present moment so rarely is the me content with what is.

There is the thought that when I find the right partner I will be fulfilled, she or he will make me happy. That’s an unreal expectation and besides if the source of your happiness is external to you, then in a very subtle way you are giving that outside source control over you through your emotions wants and needs. You meet the seemingly ideal partner you can tick all the boxes on your desire list. That called falling in love.

At the start you only have eyes for the other half, no time for projects, then after a while the projects start to beckon, the relationship starts to be routine, the aliveness, freshness, diminished, a pattern established.

When the realisation comes that love we feel for another is not actually dependent on the other but love that emerges within ourselves and is inherent within all human form then there is no sense of loss of identity if the relationship goes through a difficult patch.
There is no longer a feeling of being wronged to carrying the poor me story to anyone who will listen.

There can be a very strong love affair with the me story, “Look what happened to me” Our whole identity seems taken up with the story of what happened.
Looking in from the outside it can be seen that most relationships are dysfunctional but they survive.
Why?
Because there is pay value in that kind of a relationship.
The people involved in it would not see it or agree that they are getting something out of the constant bickering fighting making up cycle.
This is why.
There is the addiction to the adrenalin high from the argument, the opportunity to prove im right your wrong and if all else fails I might hit you. “Well he or she deserved it” is the justifying of it.

With every addiction there is a low after the high and of course its so unbearable to be in the low that the high is once more sought.
That might be through the seeking to make love after a fight.
The ego is very cunning and will go to great length to get its own way even to the point of seeming to apologizing, saying “im sorry dear it was my fault it wont happen again”

Of course after the high of the make up, the love making, then of course it all happens again, it could not be otherwise.
Life has got flat in the routine of it, no sense of being alive, of being me, no enemy to make me feel strong.
There is need of the adrenalin high and things have got kind off quiet, boring even. It’s a bit like the expression used by Nurses “Flat liners” that’s when the peaks and troughs on the heart monitor cease and all that’s left is a flat line, the patient is deceased.
So the cycle begins gain. The little me feels big and powerful when filled with adrenalin during the fight.
There is a strong egoic sense of identity in any drama.

Yes there are times when your spouse may not even like you far less love you. How do we best handle that situation?
By allowing it to be, that’s how.
There is enormous power for change in allowing.
Our partner has every right to express any emotion that she or he may have.
By accepting that right and allowing that emotion, freedom arises, for its ok not to be liked or loved for that matter.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The moment that we accept that, not everyone or anyone can love us or like us all of the time then we are free of the pain that all kinds of relationships can cause.
We are no longer dependent on the external to prove to us that we are lovable.
When this is known peace of mind follows, you are laid back, you are easy to be with, and on the level of form you become very attractive, not that that matters.
You are also happy to be with you no reaching out for the next moment “to make me happy” Happiness comes from within.

We have a preconceived notion of what the role of our spouse is and of course what our role in the relationship is too. If our strongest role models ie our parents had a good relationship then chances are good that we will too.
Men see themselves as the bread winners and their woman as the bread maker.
There are boundaries “You do that, this is what I do.”

We all need our partner to be there for us to listen fully, to be present.
The biggest thing you can do for another is to be fully present, particularly when you are with your partner, leaving your own agenda aside.
Couples rarely really listen intently to each other. When the relationship ceases to meet your need to be fulfilled as a person then an obsession with work or hobby might start to take up so much time that there is little space is left for your partner.
“Well at least I know who I am when I’m at work” How often have we heard people say that.
So quarrels arise, both feel that they are neglected.
The male feels that he deserves better treatment and after all dosent he work hard to support the family.
The female is not too concerned about the money her man makes only that she works hard in the house and he is never there to give a helping hand.
“Wouldn’t it be nice if he cooked the evening meal once and a while?” she says to her friends who are in a similar situation.
The good thing is that when we are open it becomes possible to see our partner and their actions and attitudes in an entirely different context. NLP calls this reframing.
We could say we picture it differently.
See the other person’s point of view as if we are them.

It is also said that the other reflects back, mirrors part of us. So if our partner has aspects to their personality that we are none to fond of.
Could it be that we have similar character traits that we deny?
Our partner may push our buttons and we then say things and do things that we regret or justify later.
“That’s not like me” may be a passing thought. Whatever arises come up to be recognised accepted and let go of.
Without the buttons being pressed this blessing could not happened. So in a way our partner is to be thanked for bringing this into our awareness.

You will know that you have made real spiritual progress when a button is pressed and there is no knee jerk reaction from you.
You are immune but not indifferent. It’s not a “I couldn’t care less what you say or do” attitude.
It’s a state of non-judgmental love.
The situation is as it is.
As this begins to emerge in you the amazing thing is that your partner begins to change, if they are ready for change.
Through total non judgmental acceptance of your partner and others the energy of love can bring about a raising of spiritual vibration and with that occurrence, their perspective changes, they see things including you in a different light.
Let “You’re not the person I married” be a compliment rather than an observation of decline.

The Divine can be brought into all aspects of your relationship including love making.
The path of Tantric is valid. It’s not within the scope of this book to go into that, there are many spiritual books on the subject but you have to be selective in what you buy.

Everything in this word from the plant realm to the human realm came into being through interaction between male and female of the species, God created it that way.
Having a partner who is on the same spiritual or similar path to yours is a blessing. Having one who is not is also a blessing, they will be better at pushing your buttons perhaps.

The most important relationship of course is your personal relationship with Source/God and that is not an easy one at times either.
There comes a moment when awareness of Divine Love happens, it is not really describable but you will know it. Then the spiritual search starts in earnest, it’s as though you have tasted amirit the wine of the gods and nothing else will do. Human love is wonderful and of course has its very important place in the scheme of things but it is rarely unconditional or completely fulfilling. We will wander off into unconditional love for a moment.

A friend, a woman spoke of her unconditional love for her son, it came to mind and mind loves a story.
What if there had been a mix up at the maternity ward soon after birth and by mistake her child was given to another and vice versa. What then if years latter the accident was discovered and her “real” son appeared into her life, what then.
I think the lady in the story would have been big enough to accept and love both “sons”.
Children all belong to God we are just the the channel through which they materialse in to form.
So yes we have responsibility for them but we don’t own them.

So what is unconditional love.
If there is any sense of ownership, attachment, mine me in there agenda then there is a condition to that love no matter how small its there therefore it is not unconditional.

A well known story told to the best of my memory. Two Indian squaws claimed this particular infant as their offspring. The council said, well take an arm each and pull the child towards you and the stronger of the two will win. The women started to pull and the child began to howl as though he was being physically torn apart with these women pulling in opposite directions. In moments one could stand the child’s pain no more and gave up the struggle and just let go.
The council members decided she must be the real mother as only such love could put the child before her desire to have him. Is that unconditional love? I don’t know but it comes pretty close. When you love another enough to let them go that’s an indicator of uncondional love. Sel-ish is the opposite because self is involved.

In the bible it says that God is a jealous God, what does that mean?
It may be that what God said to have said meant “Get your priorities right” put no one ahead of your relationship with God, beside you yes. An equal partner yes.

So, one challenge that can arrive related to and in the relationship with God.
Commonly referred to as the “Dark night of the Soul”
On finding God as an experience not second-hand, not completely describable, there is quite often a period of bliss, that may last moments or days, however when it, this feeling, goes there is a vacuum created, (this may no happen for some time) a great emptiness, a sadness, sense of great loss, grief.
These are only words but when it happens it is unbearable, you just want to be home with God.
This has to be overcome too and can take time. It may recur from time to time but it is a sign of growth, painful though it is.
A stepping stone if you will.
At this time it is good if you have a partner or friend capable of unconditional love and understanding.
You may be temporarily incapable of accepting or giving human love at this time but this too shall pass.

Something also that needs to be addressed is that having experienced the love of God then human love can/may seem pale and lacking by comparison.
All I can say is that all love is of God and to let go of comparing.
Just be in the moment and whatever form love takes be happy for that.
Could be your pet showing even more affection than usual, they know.


Chris

[greybeard]

David Sereda out of body experience visiting the 6 heavens-- in the universe.
The description is very similar to Yoganda's experience as described in Autobiography of a Yogi
Its in the second part of the film voice
You need to be able to download torrent
Link here

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5918810/David_Sereda_-_The_Voice__The_Cosmos_and_the_Quantum_Universe


Chris


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Mudra found for me the u tube one



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPahkBLAqY&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kQKozu8u2o&feature=related

[greybeard]

Near death experiences.
Lessons to be learned
Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31LkbXGnuJI

[Ernie Nemeth]

Great to hear from you again, Chris.

Your posts are always enlightening.

Thanks

[greybeard]

Eckhart Tolle on Karma

http://dev.redwerks.org/ettv/2011/07/eckhart-on-karma/

Thanks Ernie the feeling is mutual

Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

"Timely" post, Chris.

Was just pondering how time just clicks lazily by, bringing me slowly closer to my moment of, what? - surrender, realization,...death. And how "understanding" is not enough - I need to "know", to be it. Ya, that moment is all I want, all I live for, all I wait for. I try to be as patient as possible - since there seems to be no choice in the matter...I've learnt that the hard way.

So, yes, I get the reference to timelessness. I've been there, I think, in my greatest moments, we all have IMO. I understand it but I do not know it and live it and that is what I strive for. It is what I yearn for and pine for.

Thanks again.

[greybeard]

Some interesting clips here


http://www.eckharttolletv.com/free/#/087008766/Current-Issue-Preview--Evolution-of-Awareness-A-Conversation-With-Neale-Donald-Walsch-Eckhart-Tolle

[Ernie Nemeth]

Nice.

When I first read The Power of Now, I was so taken with it I bought and gave away several copies of it to some friends and family members.

[greybeard]

Three days of darkness
A Spiritual perspective,
Some of this spoken of in the link has happened already.
For example today the whole earth was experiencing Siesmic activity-- this happened once before a few month back
Chris


http://esoterickat.wordpress.com/2007/11/21/the-shift-three-days-of-darkness/


http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml

http://earthquakestoday.info/

[greybeard]

Conscious TV interviews Peter Russel
The great awakening.

Science and spirituality--- I love it

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irFpxlXNSYI

[greybeard]

Buddhism and Christianity
Beautiful talk
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpBKG2Lz8lQ&feature=related

[greybeard]

Young and enlightened



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOcLLNkzy8Q&feature=relmfu

[natnic]

Very well said! Thank you for that. There's this website http://www.lenonhonorfilms.com/ where he discussess humanity and provides his analysis on its downfall. He reveals the three main things that have enslaved humanity; 1-workship, 2-prayer, 3-sacrfice. Lenon explains that when we do these 3 things (or any one of them) we are in essence giving away our power to this "force" while weakening ourselves and perpetuating this cycle. So what you say absolutely makes sense. It is truth.

[greybeard]

Dr Hawkins in good humor

Thanks to Beren



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOW6-dHPtc&feature=player_embedded#!

[starsha]

One of the best descriptions i have ever heard :)


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[sirac]

hehe, hehe; at one hundred and one thanx now; ascension 101 it would seems to me , as in a correlative fit of orientation subrelative to many systems. hehe

[starsha]

I just found another awesome one :)

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[sirac]

post 1214,vid2:
its hard to say anything immediately from this, for any shortcoming windows are immediately roled up into the person (know not relative to u the rest, u may view me as decrepit to ...{when naming something would spoil it, leave it unnamed:Wittgenstein})
the danger with these things is that they would become a first school.
seperate thought:....its only in story telling that we need to make correlations... really seperate time of my mind: the vid is a freeing tool for adults (if children view it, it is likely that this dynamic would follow: 90% would be spoilt by the gospel, and 10% would gather enough of these gospel windows to eventually become useful...we know, we were the children of yesterday)
..this is thought... supercontext thought of aborgating windows is missing....but i can't unlock these yet till i take the freeing mantra's of those:llama:
text to this statement is this: i think all of us here have built up enough instinct to know which reality windows should go, but a stable viewing reality then becomes a problem,...but i think this is something provided by the horde,...this may either be a mistake, or it may be a lore which should fall into being a law. it would seems we not as powerless as thought{hate being prophet of the chandra, or in any near way being associated with them; chandra, as i understood and heard from a friend, is that hindu word for defining the mass, and the mess it gets itself into naturally..their bloddy/bloody[dad's word there] spirits attenuating and confusing each other. indeed it is so that may have not passed the World Test of the 5 kabalic world orders, which if u pass the test of the World, u get to move up to another world, where all objects the same, but then orientate, and move up to next test,pass to next world, continously...... scared to say a sort of myth/dream/something i worked up.... from many laws/lores i developed this: the path opens up before me, and closes up behind me.. in a way it makes me scared,for how am i to be assured off.....to much logistics on my part .. nows not time to be worrying, from a gospel time is to be:flame:}

[Ernie Nemeth]

My girlfriend spent the rent money. She spent it on food, non-perishable food. Why did she do that? I don't know - and neither does she. Something made her do it, she says, but she didn't realize it until it was too late. My girlfriend is not at all into this stuff I spend so much time at. So, it's not like she knows or cares about the coming earth changes...

Anyways, I laughed. Wondering where the rent'll come from now. Don't care much myself...

It'll work itself out one way or another.

The end

[Ernie Nemeth]

Well, the story gets even better.
Turns out, she did not buy that much food. Instead, she gave her rent money to the father of her children. And it turns out he has been living in his car with his three cats and a dog for I don't know how long.
So my girlfriend gave her rent to a homeless person. The poor giving everything they have to the poor...
I am pissed, yes.
But give everything away, everything you have, to another? I'm flabergasted.
I will have to thank her for this lesson in altruism. And I don't want to. I want to be mad at her. But I will thank her. So that the lesson (the gift) is acknowledged as recieved.
What else can I say? The rent will be late but so what? We saved another from an even worse fate!

[greybeard]

Well if that doesn't take the biscuit Ernie I don't know what does.
Thats an old English expression but it sure fits.
I think it is great that you can see it the way you do Ernie--- I am sure you will be looked after.
You are an example to us all.

Love Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

Update:
Tax money came in yesterday - all is well.

[greybeard]

Ernie I m so happy for you.
Much love Chris

[starsha]

another one for you Greybeard :)

Pq5UcAoH0LE

"There is vulnerability at the core of our experience that is completely wide open and loving, it’s just love. But every time I try to trump you, or call out what you are saying as ‘bull****’ so that my particular way of seeing things prevails, there is a closing off that happens between us and a lack of intimacy as we separate each other through these ideas."

[greybeard]

Q one hears the statement that everyone is already enlightened. How is that to be understood?

A It means that the Self is present and potentially discoverable as the basis and essence of ones existence.
The statement is actually an impossibility because it incorrectly defines the understanding of enlightenment, and it also presents the the fallacy of the hypothetical.
To be enlightened is to know the Truth; consequently the the statement that there is a knowingness of Truth in that which does not know the Truth is an incorrect statement .
What could be said to be realistic about the statement is that ultimate Truth awaits within to be discovered.
If seen for what it really is, all languaging is a paradox because nothing can be as it I said to be.
Revelation is a revealed knowingness . It is understood without words or concepts, such as meaning or significance which are merely abstractions.
Neither the Universe or anything in the Universe means anything
Its existence is its meaning

The mind is accustomed to obtaining, getting, deriving, or discovering meaning or information.
In the state of enlightenment all is self revealing of its essence as its existence.

Everything is already what it means.

Truth is the radical solution to epistemology. Ultimately everything is knowable only by virtue of the identity of being it. The conundrums of epistemology can be solve only by elimination of thought because all language is a paradox.
One can take any word and trace it to its roots. How does the the word originate? From where? Is the word the same thing as its meaning? By asking such questions, one is eventually confronted with the ultimate paradox of duality. The radical Reality is that to understand the essence of anything is to know God.
One might say that all languaging is a substitute for God.

Copied from "I" By Dr David Hawkins page 347

[timk89098]

I really can't say what initiated my own ego-transcending, but i know that i have been basking in it ever since it did happen to me. Not to sound as if i have completed this task by any means, but i know i am somewhere along the way and its a beautiful thing. As for the two ways/requirements of attaining such enlightenment and transcending the ego - i've always made sure to keep a clear distinction between confidence and cockiness. This has helped me much in gaining the right amounts of self esteem as well as instilling it in others that i bear influence on. I don't believe (although it would be nice) that there will be a moment of singularity when i realize i have fully transcended the ego, but i do notice a better feeling in myself every time i do take a step in the right direction. An excellent notion - i appreciate the though and sentiment of this thread

[folotheflo]

if "i" know "i" have transcended the ego, then "everyone" else knows "i" have not, but when "we" know "you" have transcended the ego, then "you" know "i" am "you". hello !

[greybeard]

if "i" know "i" have transcended the ego, then "everyone" else knows "i" have not, but when "we" know "you" have transcended the ego, then "you" know "i" am "you". hello !

Laughing
There was a joke about a conference for enlightened beings, there was no one there.
There is no one left to claim enlightenment.
It can happen instantly or a slow process with rapid end but it is a completely different state.
The caterpillar become the butterfly.

Chris

[raymond]

Do you need a human soul mate in order to reach enlightenment? I think the buddha, jesus christ and monks of various orders around the world show this not to be true.

One does not need a human soul mate in order to reach enlightenment. In fact a human soul mate is the biggest obstacle to reaching enlightenment as it is a misnomer, a delusion, a lie.

As far as I understand, Lord Buddha achieved enlightenment all on his own after leaving his wife and children. That will tell you something.

[greybeard]

Do you need a human soul mate in order to reach enlightenment? I think the buddha, jesus christ and monks of various orders around the world show this not to be true.

One does not need a human soul mate in order to reach enlightenment. In fact a human soul mate is the biggest obstacle to reaching enlightenment as it is a misnomer, a delusion, a lie.

As far as I understand, Lord Buddha achieved enlightenment all on his own after leaving his wife and children. That will tell you something.

Yes thats so however some are claimed to have achieved enlightenment through the Tantric path, there is no record of two becoming enlightened at the same moment through this union.
Nasargadatta and Ramesh were both married at the time of enlightenment.
I dont think you can put it in a box but I see that attachment in a relationship is an obstacle to enlightenment.
Its a mistake to love a particular form according to one teacher.
However it is only by the grace of God that enlightenment happens--- so no worries.
Thanks for posting here raymond.
Regards Chris

[raymond]

Grace of God indeed :cool:

It is the Grace of God which determines everything in our lives.

[greybeard]

Best Speech You Will Ever Hear - Gary Yourofsky


Animal rights.

I have no views on the video but it is well presented.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

[Ernie Nemeth]

I am speechless.
I love animals, why am I eating them/causing them pain and misery?

[christian]

Plants are consciousness, too. I'd rather not eat animals these days anyways though, considering all the medication they have to take and the conditions they are raised in and the way the are mass-slaughtered.

[greybeard]

Blue Spiral

It occurred to me that the blue spiral over Norway a year ago might have been the blue "star" of the Hopi.
I have read that there would be a year between the blue and the red.
That would fit in with Oct 28th this year being the end of the Mayan calender.

A new heaven and new earth in the twinkling of an eye.
It seems far fetched but miracles are normality for God.

Who knows but It cant come soon enough.
We need the Love to manifest in this world for everyone.

Chris

[markpierre]

I don't know, I've had dozens of experiences where I thought 'this is it', or 'ah, this is what that meant'. But they were all different experiences, and felt spontaneous. Moments of sublime stillness that thoughts can't even penetrate. Moments of unseemly bliss for no reason. Moments where the inside of your head literally lights up like a fluorescent tube and you can observe it from any angle you like. Moments where everything is you, or every scrap of fraud in the environment goes black and white, and you can read it like a newspaper. And some so subtle I recognized them only in retrospect. Only the very first one really qualifies in my account as what I would be searching for, the frame of mind I'd call 'Heaven'. But all of them contained some element of the tone of that one.
I tried for a long time to express it but it couldn't be done. I think that's the dagger that a lot of teachers face, that if I try to describe an experience, there's some danger that you'll think you understand what I've said. That's assuming you don't, or why would I be telling it? Yet nothing is more 'clear' than a teacher who hasn't experienced what he's teaching. I think its better to be quiet about that stuff.
I was never searching for anything before that experience so it wasn't like an attainment, and that experience was all I ever searched for after. You can't not. But I rarely experienced anything until I'd exhausted searching. Sorta defies conversation about methods. But I did practice a discipline for a lot of years during that search. It must have 'done me' somehow and been a help. You can't honestly search for something if you don't already know what it is. And you can't not know what it is if you're so sure you don't have it.
Its interesting, I know a few guys like myself and we all know we 'know something' because we've experienced it directly, but no one is talking about it because there's nothing to say. And we get around waring these cartoon character costumes and carry on with the wood and the water. Part of the 'knowing' is that everyone else really knows it too. It's like a play being performed for the sake of someone who doesn't seem to even be there.
I don't think such a shift in the entire collective mind is such a difficult proposition to grasp. It may be as easy as everyone simply 'coming out of the closet' at once.

That was a bit loopy, but I'm going to post it anyway. Cheers!

[greybeard]

October 28th awakening as one



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JV86gpR-gQ&NR=1

[starsha]

I don't think such a shift in the entire collective mind is such a difficult proposition to grasp. It may be as easy as everyone simply 'coming out of the closet' at once.


I think a lot of people are coming out of the closet right now, so to speak. It will be interesting to watch it all play out.

Your post made me think about teachers, and enlightenment. i think a lot of time in the 'old way' people had an 'awakening' or an enlightenment experience and were then 'told' to teach. That seemed to be the tradition. The criteria to teach enlightenment was to be enlightened. The thing is though, no matter how 'awake' you are, or how solid a realization one has had, being a teacher is actually something different. Not everyone can teach, and for the reasons you pointed out above. I have friends who are deeply realized, and have no interest in teaching at all, in fact they have no interest in anything at all, and no needs what so ever. But the point is, they would be lousy teachers becasue that is not the role they are supposed to play out, they have a different way of contributing to the whole, even though they are deeply awake.

Being a teacher or a guide isn't about simply being enlightened. The teacher role is something different. It is a skill, an ability to articulate something that is impossible to put into words. It is also about having 'people skills', insight and intuition, and knowing how to talk to people, what to say and when. It is also a skill to point people to that (indescribable thing) in a way where they can realize it directly for them-self.

I think the 'new way' is going to be a deeper appreciation for the uniqueness of human skills and roles of contribution becasue we are getting less and less identified with these roles now. Teachers will just be teachers, nothing special or 'better than' anyone else, or any other role.

When you think about it, if everyone is free, who can overpower who? The hierarchy is gone, and the idea that one role is more special than another will be gone. I think the new way of spiritual teaching is one of total equality. Because it will just be seen as another role, or a way to contribute to the whole.

[markpierre]

In a nutshell. Thanks Greybeard. Any idea who produced that?

[greybeard]

In a nutshell. Thanks Greybeard. Any idea who produced that?

At the end of the video there is a web site.
Im a bit wary of production videos--- ie it takes money to produce a video of quality-- money tend to have an agenda.

So I just post videos that have something that appeals to me and people can make up their own minds.

I personally would not align with any group or person.

Regards Chris

[markpierre]

Hi Starsha,

I was asked to teach often in a learning environment. The premise is the teacher teaches to learn. Fair enough. But I've seen a lot of teacher identities who had to crash and burn to escape those identities. I prefer the suggestion to teach by example. I guess we can't not do that. Its like in healing,
its not really whats being said in a session, but the energy transfer. I sat with a Master for a few years, and the words were just a way to keep conceptual minds engaged and not running off to the toilet every few minutes. What was really occurring and communicated was out of time.
It has its purpose, and there are some really good teachers.
I was told once by someone I really trust, that the most powerful tool we have for transformation is simple human kindness. I think he authored the 'Golden Rule'.

[markpierre]

Thanks Greybeard,
There was a bit of anti New-Age propaganda in there that felt a bit off. Those guys have their role in the entirety. Maybe someone lost a girlfriend to a New Age guru.

[greybeard]

Thanks Greybeard,
There was a bit of anti New-Age propaganda in there that felt a bit off. Those guys have their role in the entirety. Maybe someone lost a girlfriend to a New Age guru.

Yes I felt that too.

I feel that you cant have it both ways-- unconditional love is unconditional.
Discernment yes judgment no.
Be kind to all life including your own no matter what.

There are a lot of very good videos posted here on the thread.

I agree that teacher is a label not to be stuck with--- sharing and live life with gratitude is for me.

Regards Chris

[greybeard]

I dont think anyone really knows what is going to happen.

I like science coupled to spirituality and give David Wilcock and for that matter Dolores Cannon their due they have as much chance of being right as anyone.

Of course evolution can be a very slow progress and a year from now we might be looking at the next date or just given up on the notion that people are going to change over night, or that there is going to be a separation, or any kind of event


Love Chris

[starsha]

I agree that teacher is a label not to be stuck with--- sharing and live life with gratitude is for me.

Regards Chris

Me too Greybeard ... and also, yes, i have no idea what will happen. But i do look forward to watching it all play out moment by moment. One thing i do know is that life is precious, i couldn't agree more with being grateful and sharing. For me it comes down to (or at least right now) embracing uniqueness without being identified with it.

Love
Starsha

[markpierre]

Well I will have to admit, I could never have anticipated what has already happened. I wouldn't fancy myself clever enough to write a script like this. I could piece something together from all the concepts I've gathered along the way, but Will Smith would still have to burst out of the pressure chamber suited up to save the day. Well, its gotta have some sex appeal. We're all the 'hero' of our own dreams.
I can only anticipate more of the same as I've experienced. Complete surprise. And along with that is an occasional realization that what seems 'new' at any point in the chronology of all of this, is really
somehow familiar. Like retracing your steps to find your way home. Ah, I remember this clearing....I'm on the right track.
I DO know this; its not my personal will that's organizing this. That guy will hang on to a burning rope until it breaks before he makes that swan dive into the void. Even though he says he knows that that's where his safety lies.

Cheers. You guys are great.

[truthseekerdan]

Jesus said, "Come unto me, all ye who are burdened and heavily laden, and I will give you rest. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

Can you now gain an inkling of what this great man so thoroughly understood?

He said, speaking of his miracles of healing, "It is not I who doeth the works, but the Father who dwelleth within me."

He knew the responsibility of creation was not his. He knew that a power far greater than he would resolve into actuality any thought which he was convinced of. He did not stand at Lazarus' grave and restore Lazarus to life by a process of effort. He knew that Lazarus would rise. Beyond that, the responsibility was no longer his.

There can be little doubt but that the same power that responded to Jesus and restored Lazarus to life would, if approached with the same conviction, cause Lazarus to die.

This power manifests evil as well as good for it does not differentiate between the two. It simply creates according to image and conviction.

Thus with all evil. "God sendeth his rain on the just and unjust alike," for evil befalls the righteous and the unrighteous, but it cannot visit him who sees and is convinced of nothing but good.

[starsha]

This video is so funny, two people trying to talk about enlightenment ... lol :)

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[greybeard]

One love/ playing for change.

Beautiful video

If you go to you tube you will find a series of songs by singers and musicians from all parts of the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xjPODksI08





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xjPODksI08

[greybeard]

In the Land of Two Suns…


Arrow http://mayasoma.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/in-the-land-of-two-suns/

“For over 25 years, I heard the Elders talk about a Day with Two Suns which would signal the start of the new planetary consciosness.” Mary Thunder

Well, the internet is abuzz with stories planet wide from various people claiming to be seeing two suns. I never knew I’d live to see the native prophecies fulfillment. Many articles back, I mentioned that the Maori were going to perform a dance that hadn’t been done in over 500 years. Well, if that wasn’t interesting enough, the Maya are now taking center stage to perform a highly secretive ceremony that hasn’t been done for 26,000 years. “Hunbatz Men, Mayan Daykeeper and Elder Priest of the Mayan Itza Council, and Pedro Pablo Chuc Pech, President of the Mayan Council of Elders, have announced their plans to lead a group of Mayan Elders on a ceremonial pilgrimage that will carry the Thirteen Crystal Skulls from one coast of the United States to the other. The journey will begin in Manhattan on the 27th of October, 2011; it will culminate in Los Angeles on November 11th, 2011.

On 11:11:11, another group of thirteen Elders will arrive in LA from the Mayaland to come together in a Gateway Event that will be highlighted by the performance of the Mayan Crystal Skull Ceremony. The Elders, whose traditions have always been kept within their inner circle, have been instructed to perform all of their ceremonies in public from this point on; for this reason, the Ceremony of the Thirteen Crystal Skulls, a ceremony that was last performed 26,000 years ago, will be open to the general public.

“Unify Earth, the organization that is sponsored by the people who gave us ‘Live Aid’, ”We are the World’, and other mega-events with a humanitarian purpose, has gotten behind Hunbatz Men, Pedro Pablo Chuc Pech, and the Mayan Council and they want to provide a vehicle for the Elders’ message to be spread to every corner of the Earth. In collaboration with Cirque de Soleil, ‘Google’, NBC, Santana, Elevate Films, and others, all of the above have come together to sponsor a series of spectacular performances that will carry the seeds that are sown in the soon to be actualized Crystal Skull Ceremonies to hearts and minds all over the planet.” http://www.spiritofmaat.com/oct11/crystal_skull_pilgrimage.html

If you had any doubt to the times we live in, let them go and open your personal gateway to the elevated energies that seek to pour forth over the next moons. If the sweet, quiet and somewhat shy Maya are going public with their ceremony, rest assured, a new day is defintely dawning!

One night in the year 2001, I had a very vivid dream…
A Medicine man came to me. Actually, at first, a cloudy and rainy grey, night sky rolled into my dream and then a voice which said, “My name is Rolling Thunder, come talk with me. I have much to tell you about the coming times.”

I took it literally. I woke up telling my husband, I must go see this medicine man. After some computer research, I realized he did actually exist, I could find him in Northern Nevada. Away I travelled, as quick as I could manifest it, bearing gifts befit any medicine person of high rank, only to be informed along the way (from Belize to Nevada) that Rolling Thunder had died many years prior. I was so dismayed, and confused. Now, what did my dream intend to convey?

All I could do at this point in time was learn Rolling Thunder’s message. He had spoken to me, he had called me, he was dead and so I had an obligation to learn of his life and his words. I have heard it said again and again that in the new earth energies, we shall return to the old ways, so in this article all I can convey is the laws of the old ways, somewhat akin to the Ten Commandments, these laws are the way of the indigienous spirit and into the future, the Laws as set forth by Great Spirit for all humanity. These are the simple laws we must follow in the land of two suns…

Rolling Thunder Speaks a Message for Turtle Island
The Seven Laws of the Great Spirit

“We have seven laws to guide us and advise us in our daily lives. The whites have ten called “commandments,” another example of English as military language, and it doesn’t sound good in song. Our languages are soft and musical, but we do the best we can to make things clear and to educate people in English.
We were given the code, the seven laws, by the Great Spirit himself a long time ago. An old Indian man who’s been gone for many years gave it to me a long time ago. I’d almost forgotten it, but then as I thought about it, it came back to me slowly but surely.

Number one is respect for proper authority. Our Native way of life teaches us respect for grandparents, chiefs, medicine people, and for Grandmother Moon, Mother Earth, and everything that has life. We are a law abiding people; I’ve sat on a few of our courts, In a small case there would be one judge reaching agreement with both parties in the contest. In a big case like murder or rape, three judges would reach agreement with both parties in contest. There was no appeal except going to the chief’s council, but because everything started out with an agreement for justice, the appeal didn’t usually do any good because the intent was to avoid having to put up with somebody wanting to overrule or destroy their own.

Number two is to preserve and promote the beauties of nature. I don’t believe there is anything like this in the books of Christians, Buddhists, or Muslims, but there should be.

Number three is to judge with kindness and wisdom. The white man’s bible tells you not to judge. Our law is to judge but with kindness and wisdom. Even a little baby starts to judge when it’s born about whether it’s hungry or wants a diaper change, and it will let you know. Great Spirit gave us a brain to use to exercise good judgment, whether it’s about a job or a relationship. We should use judgment in our daily lives so that we are not gullible or taken advantage of.

Number four is moderation in all things. We say that if it helps, it is good. We’re not told don’t do this or don’t do that, but rather to exercise moderation, and that covers a lot. We don’t want to be extremists, and this takes us out of the category of being fanatics.

Number five is to play fair in the game of life. It is not fair to take advantage of old people, women, or children. It is not fair to invade someone else’s land or home and demand that they fight you for it. Beating up your neighbors is not fair. Filling food with preservatives and drinking water with chemicals is not fair.

Number six is that a person’s word of honor is sacred. The United States government doesn’t make treaties with counties or states, only with sovereign nations. There were three hundred and ninety-seven treaties in the United States with Indians. All were broken by the government. We are asking these people to be honorable, to stop lying and stealing and breaking treaties. We have to be honorable ourselves if we wish for others to be honest. We have always kept our word, kept our treaties, because it was in our teachings.

Number seven is respect for differences, the basis of Indian teachings. Everything we do in our way of life has to be based on respect for other people and all living things. The Great Spirit made people of different colors like flowers. There are red flowers, white flowers, black flowers, and yellow flowers. These flowers all make us feel good when we look at them, and this is the way it is supposed to be when we walk among other people—we should walk with courtesy and respect, and never with aggression or lies because of their color or nationality. We should only think of beautiful things when we look at other people. People are not all the same, maybe someday we will be, but in any event that’s the white man’s propaganda. don’t believe it. The Creator made us in different colors, different nationalities, and that is the way he intended us to be. The same force put all of us here; all of us are supposed to live and bloom just like the flowers. We know that we all belong here in all our differences, and that we must get along with each other. It would be mighty boring if everyone looked alike.”

What magnificient times…the Mayan Calendar comes to its natural completion of 16.4 billion years of evolution, the Mayan Elders come out of their villages to offer the world highly private initiatory ceremony, the Crystal Skulls are activated, viewed by the world at large and offered to all creation, the Sun and the Comet and the Galaxies are dancing thier way into our lives with magnified energies, the masses worldwide are awake as never before…and 2012 smells like the promised land, is anyone else tasting the nectar yet? Keep the faith, we have almost arrived in full scope and breadth.

Yesterday I was gifted (from the Spirits who guide me) a larger than life lepidolite (the peace stone) purple heart-shaped stone. Remember the significance of the purple heart? It is awarded to soldiers as they return from war for either being wounded, dead or for acts of bravado. Yes, in many ways, all lightworkers have all come out of a war zone and soon it is our time to just sit back and smell the roses and so in the land of two suns, I extend to you, child of the light, your very own purple heart!

Fully decorated then, I am off to Bend, Oregon to stand in awe of those fourteen white buffaloes whose birth heralded this New Age,

Navajo Jaguar Woman

[starsha]

Enlightenment is like deciding to throw a great big party for your 50th birthday. You get all excited about how it's going to be, order a cake, invite your friends, your co-workers and start telling everyone about it. You put up posters and fliers and get your friends to spread the word and you start to think about and anticipate the big day. When the big day comes you end up stuck in traffic and realize that no matter what you do, you wont get to be there for your big party. After all that planing, hype and anticipation, you don't even get to be there for the big event. The party just goes on without you, and no one even notices your absence.