Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[skippy]

I love you skipping in with Pooh and Piglet, Skippy.
Brings back reading in bed under the blanket with a torch.
That was not a miss spent childhood-- smiling.

Chris

Great thread Greybeard. Keep up the good work Pooh!

My very best wishes to you Chris.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp4Anj_5658&feature=player_embedded

[greybeard]

The latest Conscious TV interviews
http://www.conscious.tv/

The latest programmes

Billy Doyle -'The Mirage of Separation' - Interview by Renate McNayUnder Non Duality - (loaded 16 March 2013) [watch this programme]
Advaita - Billy Doyle -'The Mirage of Separation' - Interview by Renate McNay
Billy is a Spiritual Teacher and Yoga Teacher in the Kashmir Tradition, and author of the book "The Mirage of Separation". He had a strong spiritual orientation early in life and started to explore non-dualistic teachings in his twenties. He met Jean Klein, a master of Advaita and Yoga who became his teacher for 14 years. He practiced 'Art of Listening' and self-inquiry and then one day, while on a silent retreat, "all identification with a separate Entity dissolved" and he then knew himself as Silence.

Camilla Carr and Jon James -'The Sky Is Always There' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 16 March 2013) [watch this programme]
Other - Camilla Carr and Jon James -'The Sky Is Always There' - Interview by Iain McNay
In 1997 Camilla and Jon drove to Chechnya to help set up a rehabilitation Centre for war-traumatized children in war-torn Grozny. Two months later they were kidnapped at gunpoint. For the next 14 months they were kept in basements with no natural light or fresh air. She was also raped. They tell their story, and how they survived by using meditation, Tai chi, Qigong and prayer circles. They wrote the book 'The Sky Is Always There' as a kind of cathartic healing for themselves. Camilla says, 'the captors could never touch my essence - my body is only a part of who I am. My spirit will always be free'.

Dr Imke Bock-Mobius -'Experiencing Cosmic Oneness - Qigong Meets Quantum Physics' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 16 March 2013) [watch this programme]
Science - Dr Imke Bock-Mobius -'Experiencing Cosmic Oneness - Qigong Meets Quantum Physics' - Interview by Iain McNay
Author of 'Qigong Meets Quantum Physics', Imke studied Nuclear Physics and Particle Physics and became interested in Qigong after she experienced a dramatic healing in Beijing. During her teens she had questions such as, 'What operates behind visible reality?' and 'How was the Universe Built?' She explains how Qigong and Quantum Physics meet, Non-local interactions, the Observer effect and Entanglement. 'All things only exist because they arise together with their complementary opposite'. 'There is no such thing as an isolated particle; can there be such a thing as an isolated human being?'. 'The oneness of emptiness and the world of apparent phenomena is the last secret on the path to understanding reality'.

Camille Carr, Jon James and Christine Jensen - 'Consciousness and Trauma' - Moderated by Iain McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 14 March 2013) [watch this programme]
Other - Camille Carr, Jon James and Christine Jensen - 'Consciousness and Trauma' - Moderated by Iain McNay
In 1997 Camilla and Jon drove to Chechnya to help set up a rehabilitation Centre for war-traumatized children in war-torn Grozny. Two months later they were kidnapped at gunpoint. For the next 14 months they were kept in basements with no natural light or fresh air. They talk about how they dealt with the trauma that came up for them after they were released and how they dealt with it. Christine Jensen works as a trauma therapist and is based in Bath, in Somerset. The three guests discuss the importance of recognizing and healing the many different types of trauma that we all face in life. How we are unaware of the layers of trauma hidden in our psyches, bodies and nervous systems and how this trauma is one of the barriers to discovering who we really are.

Scilla Elworthy -'My Life - Transformation Through Listening' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Life Stories - (loaded 14 March 2013) [watch this programme]
Authors - Scilla Elworthy -'My Life - Transformation Through Listening' - Interview by Iain McNay
Scilla is author of several books and important papers including 'Making Terrorism History.' She talks about her life and how at an early age she learnt to listen to people and how healing that was for them. After her daughter was born she contracted encephalitis and was ill for 6 years. After she was cured questions came up such as, 'Who AM I?', 'What AM I here for?' which changed the course of her life. She became very involved with the anti-nuclear movement and helped start Peace Direct and the Oxford Research Group. She learnt how to engage in real dialogue with the nuclear policy makers. 'Try to understand why people are seeing things differently'. 'Change must take place inside me'

[greybeard]

Wind sent me this----
Eckhart Tolle on face book.

Quote Dear Friends,

The philosopher Epictetus (AD55-135) wrote:

"People are not disturbed by things, but by the view they take of things."

If you look closely, you will find that by far the greater part of any unhappiness in you is created not by situations, but by what your mind is saying about them. It's created by the self-talk in your head. Such dysfunctional thinking strengthens the ego, but it weakens you. How to end it? Meet situations and people without judgment. Don't indulge in mental movies about past and future. Give your fullest attention to the present moment without mentally labeling it. This is the arising of Presence, a new state of consciousness that frees your mind from its old conditioning. This new consciousness will give rise to a new world.

With love
Eckhart.


Thanks Wind
I dont follow face book or twitter but the style of quote is classic Eckhart.
I posted recently a David Sereda video =its long but he explains singularity as a "place"where no force is opposing or resisting another--everything is Source.
Now thats true of Earth now but the ego has created duality so there is resistance and opposition.
When a high enough % of collective consciousness applies what is pointed to by Eckhart we will have New Earth.
Its down to us.

Chris

[greybeard]

This may or may not be helpful.

From a deep spiritual teaching point of view there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that in the enlightened state there is to time, no space, no linear time, therefore no sequence, everything (past present future) happened at the same eternal moment. The human mind, in order to experience, puts a seeming cause and affect and therefore sequence to everything.
The unenlightened cant get this, the mind cant, there is no reference point for it.

The enlightened state is testified to be non-locational-- where ever intention is focused that where the "experience" is.
In essence everything is of the same One. The I am That is everywhere.
The "I am That" is the space in which everything including the human experience occurs.
Within the "I am That" is contained everything and I am contained in everything--there is only One self and that Self is within every stone blade of grass the sparrow the Sun the Cosmos all One entity expressing It Self in billions of ways, each way unique.

The Mystic can truthfully say--I am the Totality all of it.

So Chris is the Ocean and the wave and so is everything else--the smallest atom within me which is 99.5% empty space (Dark Matter= God) contains absolutely everything---what can be separate from One without a second?

So that's my current understanding--- Im not saying Im right.

Chris

[greybeard]

Bruce Lipton talking about the future of the human race.



Published on 24 Mar 2013

Bruce H. Lipton, PhD is an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. Stem cell biologist, bestselling author of The Biology of Belief and recipient of the 2009 Goi Peace Award, he has been a guest speaker on hundreds of TV and radio shows, as well as keynote presenter for national and international conferences.

Dr. Lipton began his scientific career as a cell biologist. He received his Ph.D. Degree from the University of Virginia at Charlottesville before joining the Department of Anatomy at the University of Wisconsin's School of Medicine in 1973. Dr. Lipton's research on muscular dystrophy, studies employing cloned human stem cells, focused upon the molecular mechanisms controlling cell behavior. An experimental tissue transplantation technique developed by Dr. Lipton and colleague Dr. Ed Schultz and published in the journal Science was subsequently employed as a novel form of human genetic engineering.http://www.brucelipton.com/




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uhT0XRUX6Q

[Wind]

Now who wouldn't like Alan Watts? :)

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[greybeard]

Eckhart Tolle speaks at Google.
Well that's something
Chris

Ps Eckhart has a suit and tie ---well I never.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE1dWwoJPU0

[dsanders1980]

Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum. I have been seeking self realization for the last 16 years, being misled most of this time. I have read Eckhart Tolle, listened to Papaji, Mooji, Jonathan Adampants and so on.... I have tried Christianity but it didn't resonate with me. I have had brief moments of clarity and a few synchronistic events in my life but most of my searching has left me highly depressed and I became addicted to drugs to escape throughout my life. I always end up back at these questions: Who am I, What is all this and What am I doing here? I want to find my way back home more than anything. Currently I am searching but it seems like everytime I feel some progress I am met with a lot of resistance: physical fatigue, mental cloudiness and noise. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[greybeard]

Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum. I have been seeking self realization for the last 16 years, being misled most of this time. I have read Eckhart Tolle, listened to Papaji, Mooji, Jonathan Adampants and so on.... I have tried Christianity but it didn't resonate with me. I have had brief moments of clarity and a few synchronistic events in my life but most of my searching has left me highly depressed and I became addicted to drugs to escape throughout my life. I always end up back at these questions: Who am I, What is all this and What am I doing here? I want to find my way back home more than anything. Currently I am searching but it seems like everytime I feel some progress I am met with a lot of resistance: physical fatigue, mental cloudiness and noise. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Hello dsanders1980
Join the club.
I think most serious aspirants on the path of enlightenment, my self included, will identify with what you have posted.
Apart from including those you have mentioned Adyashanti is helpful---his talks can be found on piratebay
also here.
http://www.adyashanti.org/

Basically he was forced to the realisation that he could not make enlightenment happen----all the years of study under a Zen Master had not brought about the desired state.

The eventual realisation was that the very act of trying prevented it from occurring--it was as though the trying was a denial of the state being truly what you already are in your essence.
So its a question of surrender to what is---letting go--that does not mean doing nothing--obstacles are to be removed but there is a knowing that all in God's time, realisation will happen--its your destiny or you would not be on the path at all.
My search stated over thirty years ago and many a time I felt exactly like you but that passed.
Im not intense about it now but never the less effort to remove obstacles is made daily.
These obstacles are surrendered rather than determined will power.
Best wishes Chris

[greybeard]

Listening to Adya

Everything is ok when you walk into Satsang---you have let go of you.

Everything is allowed to be.

One challenge is that the me has to be centre stage-- it maintains that through believing its special.

In my struggle I am unique, separate and special.

No one has it as hard as me, I stand out, im separate unique and special.

So the struggle is let go of-- even struggling is not resisted, just acknowledged.

Its a so what !!!--- that's acceptance.

The ego hates to be told that it is not unique and special.

One with all that is---you must be joking.

When Im miserable there is a sense of security, I know who I am.
The me is strengthened.
Only the ego can feel misery and unhappiness only the ego takes everything personally.
No self/me no problem

Love is the end of unhappiness.

Chris

[Rich]

Hello dsanders, welcome.


Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum. I have been seeking self realization for the last 16 years, being misled most of this time.
how so?



I have read Eckhart Tolle, listened to Papaji, Mooji, Jonathan Adampants and so on.... I have tried Christianity but it didn't resonate with me. I have had brief moments of clarity and a few synchronistic events in my life but most of my searching has left me highly depressed and I became addicted to drugs to escape throughout my life. I always end up back at these questions: Who am I, What is all this and What am I doing here? I want to find my way back home more than anything.
happy to hear that.
I believe if that is what you want the most then you cannot fail.




Currently I am searching but it seems like everytime I feel some progress I am met with a lot of resistance: physical fatigue, mental cloudiness and noise.

I know this well, for me there was so much doubt because I was wondering if I was making any progress at all, I had bliss often, it had no value to me because I always fell back into suffering. I thought I am not interested in bliss itself, I only wanted to get out of suffering.
Some day much identification with thought started to drop fairly suddenly over the course of a month or so and with that most suffering did too (but I still get caught up in stories sometimes).
Suffering is only a memory (story) when we identify with it we suffer.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I think if you are sincere and have some trust then you will be guided to the right things that you need for you next steps. That's my experience.

some things that helped me... take what you feel is right for you:

Byron Katie,
did a few months of ''The Work'' and got a glimpse of thoughts/attitude being the cause and not the circumstances

20958 (there is an ad for 'the release technique' don't bother)
Lester Levensons story lead me to find out what Love is, I tried to copy him and soon I could change my feelings to Love it gave me a lot of healing.
I believe Love wants to do everything for us, its Its nature.

Also Lester Levenson said that a question with a strong interest to get the answer is very effective because we get absorbed into it and all other thoughts drop away if our interest is strong, then we can see the answer that was always there. I think that helps me a lot too, asking questions that I am interested in, without interest there is no motivation.

more of Lester:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54427-My-Friend-Lester-Levenson



Guidance from Christ
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55602-Christ-s-Way

Communication
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56253-How-to-understand-what-a-person-is-saying

Btw, what kind of meditation do you do?

[Rich]

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[greybeard]

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I have that very picture of Ramana looking at me just now.
The love just flows from it.
When he was dying his Devotees were most concerned about him leaving.
He said more or less "Where else could I go?"

A couple of my friends recently visited his Ashram and The Mountain---the energy is of course still there.

Thanks Tim for just being there.

Chris

[greybeard]

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[greybeard]

Anthony de mello calling us to wake up.
He has some sense of humour.
One of my first reads was Awareness written by him.
There are a few videos following on from this on u tube.

Chris




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y3Q7H2urto

[greybeard]

Gangaji is of the linage of Ramana Marharshi through her teacher Papaji,
She speaks of ignorance.
In a split second there is an opportunity to realise the truth of your self.

A lot of peace within this video.

I saw her at The Findhorn Foundation several years ago and the love that comes from her is palpable.

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPbYyhdwaBE

[Wind]

Just started to listen to Gangaji. Her energy is calm and loving, I instantly sensed it. Thanks for the recommendation, Chris.

[greybeard]

12 2012 Mayan Prophecy and the Shift of the Ages FREE MOVIE

Once you get past the usual opening disaster part it get really interesting.
Scientific research on the I Ching and much more---well worth taking the time to watch.
Happy Easter Sunday to You.
Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06G2LIZpQG8

[wolfgaze]

Hello all. I'm a new member. Great to see a subforum dedicated to the discussion of matters relating to spirituality & consciousness.

I spent most of my early childhood and then my adult life being a victim of my thoughts and a victim of my mind. I identified with whatever my mind (brain) threw at me. If I had depressed thoughts I just as well assumed I was a depressed person and that that was my nature/identity. My greatest victory in life was finally arriving at the realization that my true nature and identity is not that of the thoughts that my mind/brain/ego would generate. I slowly shifted my consciousness to internalizing a spiritual-based nature or identity and this helped me draw conscious energy away from my ego/mind/brain. This ultimately led to my conscious liberation. I control my mind (brain) now, it no longer has control over my conscious state.

It is nice to see some posters sharing the work of Eckhart Tolle because his book (The Power Of Now) played an important role in my journey in helping me to realize that there are different elements within our system that contribute to our conscious state. His conceptualization of the 'ego' as a formidable and often 'opposing' force to our well-being really helped me understand the nature of my conscious state better - which enabled me to regain control over it.


Along these lines and this theme of there being different elements or 'forces' that contribute to our conscious state that we experience, I wanted to share this fascinating article and research with you about the human HEART. Basically doctors/researchers have studied the heart and found that it is much more than an organ that pumps blood, it contains it's own network of neurons (40,000 of them) and is so sophisticated and complex in its functioning that it acts as its own 'mini brain' within the human body:

http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html
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"After extensive research, one of the early pioneers in neurocardiology, Dr. J. Andrew Armour, introduced the concept of a functional "heart brain" in 1991. His work revealed that the heart has a complex intrinsic nervous system that is sufficiently sophisticated to qualify as a "little brain" in its own right. The heart’s brain is an intricate network of several types of neurons, neurotransmitters, proteins and support cells like those found in the brain proper. Its elaborate circuitry enables it to act independently of the cranial brain – to learn, remember, and even feel and sense."
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"In our internal environment many different organs and systems contribute to the patterns that ultimately determine our emotional experience. However, research has illuminated that the heart plays a particularly important role. The heart is the most powerful generator of rhythmic information patterns in the human body. As we saw earlier, it functions as sophisticated information encoding and processing center, and possesses a far more developed communication system with the brain than do most of the body’s major organs. With every beat, the heart not only pumps blood, but also transmits complex patterns of neurological, hormonal, pressure and electromagnetic information to the brain and through-out the body. As a critical nodal point in many of the body’s interacting systems, the heart is uniquely positioned as a powerful entry point into the communication network that connects body, mind, emotions and spirit."
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I recommend anyone who is interested in this material/subject matter to at least spend 5-10 minutes reading through the Introduction on that first page contained at the link. The research shared in that article is backed up by real science and sourced accordingly.

I feel this article may help other individuals who are or have been struggling with the influence of their mind/ego to better understand that their physical brain is not the only source that affects/influences our consciousness and that the HEART plays a much more important and vital role in regulating their conscious state. The brain/mind is just a tool of the physical body and we can draw energy away from it and re-direct that energy to our HEART to promote an overall healthier state of being.

: )

[greybeard]

Welcome welcome welcome Wolfgaze.
Thanks for your contribution, which is much appreciated.
Keep it coming.

Chris

[wolfgaze]

Welcome welcome welcome Wolfgaze.
Thanks for your contribution, which is much appreciated.
Keep it coming.

Chris

Thanks very much Chris.

Cheers!

-wolf

[wolfgaze]

Here is an interesting video I had come across on another forum not long ago. It's a brief (9 minute) video by Dr. Frank Kinslow about stopping your thoughts. He walks the viewer through a practical example or exercise of how to do this by asking the viewer a few questions to try and answer:

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This video may be helpful for individuals plagued by compulsive & debilitating thoughts in that it demonstrates that you can find techniques & methods for exercising control over your overactive mind/ego and switch or turn it off. It appears Dr. Kinslow has his own model for trying to teach others how to learn to do this in their lives - I have not explored his work beyond this video though.

That being said, there are many individuals who speak on matters relating to consciousness who introduce their own unique conceptualizations and models/methods for working towards a higher state of awareness for the PRESENT moment and control over the mind/ego. I don't feel that any one method or conceptualization is necessarily any better than the others, but that it's about finding what works best for YOU. You may find yourself relating to different elements from various conceptualizations/models or even coming up with your own techniques & methods for regaining control over your conscious state and bringing your awareness into the PRESENT moment.

Eckhart Tolle has his own unique model whereby he encourages you to become a Watcher or Observer of your emotions. Rather than just being a victim of your emotional state and completely consumed by those emotions, he encourages you to take a step back and catch yourself in the act and to consciously 'observe' and 'watch' what is transpiring in you so that you have awareness of exactly what is happening. This act or process of Watching/Observing your emotional state serves to draw energy away from the portion of your brain/mind (ego) that is responsible for creating it. It is a technique/method for bringing your awareness back into the PRESENT or what Tolle likes to call the 'NOW' - ultimately it's about regaining control over your emotional state and control over the influence that your mind/ego has on your conscious state.

The goal is to work towards a state of consciousness or level of awareness where you are embracing/experiencing the present moment and not consumed by your perception of what has transpired in the 'past' and/or desperately looking towards the 'future' with hopes that it will bring relief or save you from your pain. I've found working towards this state can be slow-going at first but do not allow yourself to become discouraged or disappointed if you do not experience overnight success. While your progress may only seem gradual and incremental in the beginning, you may be surprised to find yourself making exponential gains/advances in your progress as you continue along. Perhaps a better term here is 'breakthroughs', they can arrive even when you least expect them to.

Remember, it's important to explore & experiment to find what ultimately works best for YOU. : )

[greybeard]

The reason why the pyramids were built also communication beyond the speed of light.
While its beyond my complete understanding David Sereda is good at explaining and he does back up what he claims with some experiments on the video.
Spirituality touched on lightly/ this is mainly scientific.
Enthralling.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP1A9oy0s9A

[greybeard]

Terence McKenna Dreaming Awake at the End of Time

Not that easy to understand but very amusing, wordy, brilliant, educational.
Well worth listening to repeatedly

Chris





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KboPUQ0xCDs

[greybeard]

From Global Coherence Initiative

Dear Chris,

Did you know that the earth’s magnetic resonances vibrate at the same frequency as the human heart?

Scientists at the Institute of HeartMath and Global Coherence Initiative are making exciting discoveries in their exploration of the energetic influences of solar and geomagnetic activity on humans.

This research is now in a critical phase as we examine more closely how these influences affect our emotions, collective behavior, health and well-being.

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[greybeard]

Scottish humour

White smoke coming from chimney of local job centre.
Passer by heard to say reverently.
They found some one a job.
Its a miracle.


Chris

[Rich]

Did you know that the earth’s magnetic resonances vibrate at the same frequency as the human heart?


I wonder about the consciousness of planets and stars maybe they're gods of some sort.
If we believe that humans are higher organisms than other earth animals, must planets/suns not be higher up the scale as well?

[greybeard]

Did you know that the earth’s magnetic resonances vibrate at the same frequency as the human heart?


I wonder about the consciousness of planets and stars maybe they're gods of some sort.
If we believe that humans are higher organisms than other earth animals, must planets/suns not be higher up the scale as well?

Thats a good question EmEx.
The late Dr David Hawkins had in his book Power vs Force a map/scale of consciousness where he calculated the consciousness/frequency of many things.

http://www.veritaspub.com/

The Komodo Dragon for example calibrated higher than some human dictators.
So not all humans calibrated the same---
You were safer with Ko Ko the intelligent gorrila than many humans.
Of course at the top of the human scale you have mystics saints etc
No doubt Mother Earth would calibrate highly as would the Sun.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmuu8UEi2ko

Chris

[DeDukshyn]

Did you know that the earth’s magnetic resonances vibrate at the same frequency as the human heart?


I wonder about the consciousness of planets and stars maybe they're gods of some sort.
If we believe that humans are higher organisms than other earth animals, must planets/suns not be higher up the scale as well?

I find the "Star Larvae" theory, an interesting one. It makes some sense from a consciousness evolution standpoint.

When spirit brushes matter gently and consistently, life is born. When spirit brushes matter with intensity, Stars are born -- paraphrased from one of my favourite authors.

[Rich]

Chris, we seem to have a different opinion on this.

To say that humans are more spiritually aware than other earth animals (or calibrate higher as you put it)
sounds unreasonable to me (seeing how the human consciousness [programming] makes body/world seem heavy and concrete).
From what I heard animal-psychics and some masters say most animals have
more awareness than humans and are awake to the game of consciousness.
They probably don't identify with the body like humans do.

But do other animals have the potential of human consciousness, expressing
the creativity of Source/Self/God?
Nityananda said something like; God being especially present in humans.

In the same way I thought that perhaps planets and stars are a
higher organism than humans, considering that earth is said to be our mother,
and the sun perhaps being the mother of the solar system.

[Rich]

Pay attention to what's not changing, and gradually, only what's not changing is there.
That even what is changing becomes what's not changing.
It may sound over-simplistic, even naive as an advice.
But it is the sage's secret, and it works.
Don't keep picking up thoughts; just stay Here.
Here is your monastery, your ashram, your temple, your home, your Self.
Know this and move wherever your Heart and the winds of life and existence takes you.
And even this day when your body shall fall, you'll be here to watch it also.

~Mooji


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[greybeard]

Chris, we seem to have a different opinion on this.

To say that humans are more spiritually aware than other earth animals (or calibrate higher as you put it)
sounds unreasonable to me (seeing how the human consciousness [programming] makes body/world seem heavy and concrete).
From what I heard animal-psychics and some masters say most animals have
more awareness than humans and are awake to the game of consciousness.
They probably don't identify with the body like humans do.

But do other animals have the potential of human consciousness, expressing
the creativity of Source/Self/God?
Nityananda said something like; God being especially present in humans.

In the same way I thought that perhaps planets and stars are a
higher organism than humans, considering that earth is said to be our mother,
and the sun perhaps being the mother of the solar system.

Respectfully EmEx I did not say that humans en-mass calibrate higher than anything---they calibrate higher and lower person to person.
Trees are probably enlightened and many other things--just a different kind of enlightenment.
Frankly I dont have an opinion im sharing what Dr Hawkins said---I have no way of knowing.
I will say, as said before some where on the thread, that I believe ---only God is and That expresses it self in many different shapes and forms of varying spiritual energy-- but regardless all is God.
So Sun and Earth are living expressions of God as we and everything else are.
That's as close as I can get.
Bet wishes Chris

[greybeard]

Now this brings to mind something from Eckhart Tolle.
As best I remember the essence of this is.
Humans were enlightened before in the same way that animals are--- a kind of just being in the moment.
We had to lose that level of awareness---call it the fall--- but in the recovering from the fall a higher level of enlightenment than the original is achieved.
I believe we are on our way to unity consciousness--- all word definitions just point to what can be experienced but not properly defined/described.

Chris

[greybeard]

Science meets spirituality. My favourite subject
thanks to Micjer

Published on 29 Dec 2012

The truth is here, not out there http://TopSecretWorld.com ! Mind Science Kept Hidden Documentary - The language of quantum communication:
This may be good for us all to keep in mind as we progress in our endeavours - the more science delves into it, the more potential it seems to show what our minds are capable of...
Covers so many topics, from secret research, remote viewing, energy chakras confirmed by Russian experiments, etc...
One guy was creating images on his camera (even when the cover was on!)
We have unlimited potential literally... We have the ability to communicate over almost infinite space... We can have a positive or negative influence on our physical bodies (and minds)...and on the bodies and minds of other people. Conscious mind exerts a force on other forces... Can penetrate any form of matter... Can transcend space and time.
Has been proven in many scientific experiments to affect ph of water, or change the random numbers on a computer generator... Has been calculated to travel from earth to Sun in 1/347 of a second (faster then speed of light) (secret societies call it "speed of thought")

Because this so clearly convinces me of the reality of this 'conscious energy' in a very odd way it makes it much more easier for me to both believe and understand why there would be evil forces using this too. But wreaking havoc for the sole purpose of disrupting this energy, to use choas to unbalance everyone elses energy, or energy stealing, creating 'fear campaigns' 'fear porn' propaganda, keeping us all in lower vibrations, separate from our own conscious power potential...

I feel I should add: this video doesn't talk about the "evil forces part
it is all about the positive scientific potential aspect...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up8pP51xO7U

[gripreaper]

Jenny Wade published her consummate work: "Changes of Mind" in 1996, and it is companion to Dr Hawkin's work. Jenny really takes development to the full extent, and her ability to walk the reader through it surpasses anything I have read on the subject. Her work was not as renowned as Aurobindo, Huxley, Watts, Wilber, Hawkin's, Tolle and others, but she takes all of these and all the rest of the developmental writers and distills it all down into a cohesive whole. Worth the time it takes to read. Here is one review:

http://www.primal-page.com/changejr.htm

[DeDukshyn]

Now this brings to mind something from Eckhart Tolle.
As best I remember the essence of this is.
Humans were enlightened before in the same way that animals are--- a kind of just being in the moment.
We had to lose that level of awareness---call it the fall--- but in the recovering from the fall a higher level of enlightenment than the original is achieved.
I believe we are on our way to unity consciousness--- all word definitions just point to what can be experienced but not properly defined/described.

Chris

Yes this is fully what is written in Ken Carey texts, that there was an idea to give power to the fall rather than resist it, for exactly the concept you say Eckhart relays. In this sense is where I have issues with some of my own "US" vs "Them" mindset. It sometimes looks to me, and I believe rightly so, that we are being put through this for our own benefit, and in the beginning it was our choice. The process is just taking a tad longer than expected, but things actually seem to be very on track, when you look at it from a point of view so big that it envelops time before the "fall", and the overall human "project" if one wants to call it that.

The only way to be a successful species (as in the extension of the Creator) in this plane of existence, going through the fall and coming out the other side was deemed the most likely method to work.

Thanks for the reminder. ;)

[DeDukshyn]

Chris, we seem to have a different opinion on this.

To say that humans are more spiritually aware than other earth animals (or calibrate higher as you put it)
sounds unreasonable to me (seeing how the human consciousness [programming] makes body/world seem heavy and concrete).
From what I heard animal-psychics and some masters say most animals have
more awareness than humans and are awake to the game of consciousness.
They probably don't identify with the body like humans do.

But do other animals have the potential of human consciousness, expressing
the creativity of Source/Self/God?
Nityananda said something like; God being especially present in humans.

In the same way I thought that perhaps planets and stars are a
higher organism than humans, considering that earth is said to be our mother,
and the sun perhaps being the mother of the solar system.

I don't see things in this sense. I see a single being that inhabits earth. The humans cannot live without many of the other expressions of life, so we are not separate from this being more than your head is separate from your body. The is no real distinction between "humans" and other life on earth more than you body has distinctive parts.

Tell me, is a brain more enlightened than a liver? Yet it is the brain that does all the guidance and sensing tasks - it has that value and in those tasks is far superior than the liver, but yet without a liver, the brain will grow toxic, cease to function and die. Each are important in their role - to give any further special status to one part of a body is pointless.

Thus the question of "enlightenment of humans vs ..." is completely irrelevant in my personal opinion, because we are one being, and when that one being has becomed enlightened as a whole, are has "sufficiently awoken", as Carey texts puts it, then all life on the planet will be affected, and will begin again to operate as the single Being it is, with all the life It creates, as His body.

I rather long for the day when humanity will work together with all the life on earth, once again. When we reach that point, we will then be ready to prepare for the next step: Interstellar travel -- as a single being, likely in a living ship, that will be an extension of our being. Maybe it'll be a while yet ... who knows, just thoughts to consider ;)

[greybeard]

Anita Moorjani in Sedona

Published on 1 Apr 2013

On Saturday, March 23, 2013, near-death experiencer and New York Times bestselling author Anita Moorjani spoke at the Creative Life Center in Sedona, Arizona. This special event was co-sponsored by NewHeavenNewEarth (NHNE) and The Mustard Seed Venture (see below for links). Special thanks to Bruce Fraser of Sedona Videos for filming this event for us:

http://www.sedonavideos.com/

Anita Moorjani was born in Singapore of Indian parents. At the age of two, Anita moved to Hong Kong where she grew up speaking English, Cantonese and Sindhi, an Indian dialect. In April of 2002, Anita was diagnosed with cancer (Hodgkin's Lymphoma). After four years of struggling with cancer, Anita's body, riddled with tumors the size of lemons, began to fail. In February of 2006, she slipped into a coma. Doctors gave her hours to live. As her body lay dying, Anita entered another dimension. In this otherworldly place, Anita experienced profound peace and love. She also learned many things about life, and the laws of life, including how she had caused her own cancer. Then she was given a choice: stay on the other side, or return to Earth. After being reassured that her body would heal itself if she returned, Anita chose to return and share with others what she learned. To the amazement of her doctors, Anita woke up from her coma and within weeks her body was fully healed. Anita's life is now filled with the depths and insights she gained while in the other realm.

World renowned author Dr. Wayne Dyer discovered Anita's story and encouraged her to write a book. Anita's book, "Dying to be Me," hit the New York Times Bestsellers List only two weeks after its release in March, 2012. Because of the power of her story, Anita regularly addresses sell-out crowds all over the world.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvmABrII35c

[truthseekerdan]

Dear Friends,

The philosopher Epictetus(AD55-135) wrote:
"People are not disturbed by things, but by the view they take of things."
If you look closely, you will find that by far the greater part of any unhappiness in you is created not by situations, but by what your mind is saying about them. It's created by the self-talk in your head. Such dysfunctional thinking strengthens the ego, but it weakens you. How to end it? Meet situations and people without judgment. Don't indulge in mental movies about past and future. Give your fullest attention to the present moment without mentally labeling it. This is the arising of Presence, a new state of consciousness that frees your mind from its old conditioning. This new consciousness will give rise to a new world.

With love and blessings


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[greybeard]

Eben Alexander MD at TMI Professional Seminar 2012.

Dr. Alexander, a renowned academic neurosurgeon, spent 54 years honing his scientific worldview. He thought he knew how the brain and mind worked. A transcendental Near-Death Experience (NDE), in which he was driven to the brink of death and spent a week deep in coma from an inexplicable brain infection, changed all of that -- completely. (from http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/author)

Later he sought to reconnect with the peace and understanding of that experience and found it through programs at The Monroe Institute. This presentation was made at the 2012 Professional Seminar at The Monroe Institute.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7TXtV5s9mw

[greybeard]

From the Sounds true web site
Adyashanti

Ego is nothing but a state of consciousness

All of the great spiritual teachings direct us to look within, to “know thyself.” Unless we know ourselves, we can never find our way beyond suffering. In fact, it’s because we don’t know ourselves that we’re so prone to suffering, that we’re so prone to misunderstanding the nature of who we are and reality itself. So this assumption that we are something separate, something other than everything around us, is the basis of what I call our “egoic consciousness.” Because, after all, what we are really talking about here is a state of consciousness, a way of packaging the world conceptually. When our mind starts to imagine that we are something separate and different from the world around us, it changes the way we perceive, which means it changes our state of consciousness. The thoughts that we believe alter and change our state of consciousness.

You can see this shift in consciousness in any given moment, as you become aware of the thoughts that are present. Take the following thoughts, for example: imagine a sunny day on the beach, where you’re lying in complete relaxation and you can hear the water lapping up against the shore. You can feel the warm sand supporting you from underneath. You can feel the rays of the sun across your face. You can hear the distant bird calls of seagulls. If you just think those thoughts, and allow yourself to really feel them, they’ll start to change your consciousness. You’ll literally start to feel different about this moment, even though nothing has actually changed, even though you’re not actually at the beach. Even though all of it is created in your mind through imagination, it can change the way you feel, and how you feel affects how you perceive yourself, others, and the world around you.

So to take it a step further, when our mind interprets our sense of self to mean that there actually is self, our consciousness changes. And before very long, our consciousness is such that everywhere it looks, it sees separation. Of course, it doesn’t tell you this. Most human beings don’t walk around saying to themselves, “I feel separate from everything around me. I’m distinct and different.” That’s because this change of consciousness, this egoic consciousness, becomes so integrated into the way you see and experience life that you don’t even have to remind yourself of it. You don’t even have to be consciously thinking about it because it is so deeply woven into the fabric of your perception. The truth is that, ultimately speaking, ego is nothing but a state of consciousness.

If this was fully understood in its deepest aspect, that the ego is just a state of consciousness, we wouldn’t be chained to it. We wouldn’t be weighed down by it. We wouldn’t feel isolated. Yet we see our egos, we see ourselves, as very separate entities; and everyone around us is doing the same thing. Everyone around us sees themselves as essentially different from others, and from life in general. So we move in a world where almost everyone we meet will be reflecting back to us this egoic sense of consciousness. To find liberation, we must wake up from this dream that our mind creates, that we’re something separate than everything around us. This is the only way we can begin to find a way out of suffering.

See Adyashanti live in August 2013. Visit WakeUpFestival.com for more information.

http://www.wakeupfestival.com/

[we-R-one]

Chris, you post such great stuff, thank you for your efforts. What Adyashanti explains, matches what I've come to know to be true through my own personal experiences, which is why I've posted these two defintions on "the solutions thread", as they align with much of what I have discovered and what's being said above.

DIMENSION- A dimension is a state of consciousness. When you look at what we know about dimensions, what we find is that each is about a unique set of beliefs. Our current 3D consciousness was not established until enough people began to believe the same way. And the current 5D consciousness will not be established until enough of the people existing there figure out how to live in unity. So we see that when enough people live a set of beliefs they create a dimension.

Going further, a state of consciousness/dimension vibrates at a certain frequency just as all physical matter has a distinguishing vibration or frequency. In our universe, the closer we get to the integration point of Light and Dark, the faster we vibrate (compassion being the integration point with the fastest vibratory rate). So, if a whole group of people acquire a particular set of beliefs, in this case, the understanding of how to live at the integration point between Light and Dark, then they all begin to vibrate at that particular rate. This vibratory rate is also known as a frequency. Continuing on, this group vibration creates a new consciousness, a new reality, and a new dimension by the individuals in the group expressing themselves emotionally, creatively, etc.
Source: Jelaila Starr

ASCENSION- On an individual level, ascension is the process of changing one’s consciousness from one reality, based on one set of beliefs, to another. On a group or planetary level, ascension is the collective expansion of a state of consciousness (set of beliefs) to the point where that consciousness creates a new reality—a new state of being or dimension (*The Hundredth Monkey Syndrome).

For example, 3D is about the belief that, this is the only life that we have and if you can’t touch it, taste it, see it, feel it or hear it, it doesn’t exist. 5D, is about Christ or Unity consciousness where we realize that we are all connected—we understand and live in oneness.
Source: Jelaila Starr

[skippy]

Terence McKenna Dreaming Awake at the End of Time

Not that easy to understand but very amusing, wordy, brilliant, educational.
Well worth listening to repeatedly

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KboPUQ0xCDs

Just, finishing watching this video of Terence. Thanks Greybeard for sharing. Absolutely brilliant and lot's of humor. Nobody is in control, what a very empowering thought..

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[greybeard]

Terrence McKennna's work, which is genius, features is this video here.
Im really glad you enjoyed his videos skippy.
chris
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=655716&viewfull=1#post655716

[wolfgaze]

A 10 minute clip from an interview with Gregg Braden where he speaks about how human emotions affect us and also our environment:

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[Rich]

A 10 minute clip from an interview with Gregg Braden where he speaks about how human emotions affect us and also our environment:

That video goes well with 2 videos posted on the http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3779-Meditating-simply&p=656390&viewfull=1#post656390 (meditation simply)thread (renaming link doesn't seem to work for some reason).

Here are the youtube links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPCVzminCFY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dHcOrNzIxU&feature=player_embedded

Christ has said that our ego thoughts (negative feelings) cause as much environmental destruction as the pollution we create through our technology.
With awareness of how our emotions can make us sick, we come to the same conclusion for this planet if we see earth as a single organism:

http://www.christsway.co.za/letters/article1.pdf

[greybeard]

Hi EmEx
thanks for your post.
There are quite a few Gregg Braden videos further back on this thread and reference to Heart Maths-- Global Coherence Initiative
http://www.glcoherence.org/

Gregg Braden is on that board.

Regards Chris

[wolfgaze]

A 10 minute clip from an interview with Gregg Braden where he speaks about how human emotions affect us and also our environment:

That video goes well with 2 videos posted on the http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3779-Meditating-simply&p=656390&viewfull=1#post656390 (meditation simply)thread (renaming link doesn't seem to work for some reason).

Here are the youtube links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPCVzminCFY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dHcOrNzIxU&feature=player_embedded

Christ has said that our ego thoughts (negative feelings) cause as much environmental destruction as the pollution we create through our technology.
With awareness of how our emotions can make us sick, we come to the same conclusion for this planet if we see earth as a single organism:

http://www.christsway.co.za/letters/article1.pdf

I feel like the negative emotions of the mind (brain) are a low frequency/vibration 'waveform' of energy and thus do not travel as effectively/efficiently when it comes to affecting the electromagnetic 'grid' - as opposed to positive emotions of the heart having a high frequency 'waveform' and thus having a much greater influence/impact on others as well as the grid.

[AwakeInADream]

Interesting Wolfgaze!:)

In a physical/scientific sense lower vibrations/frequencies contain more power/energy and can travel further(physically), but I think that in the spiritual/emotional sense the opposite is the case, in that higher vibrations have more impact and can travel further(spiritually), but still low vibrational negative emotional energy is still more noticeable in a physical sense in terms of atmosphere. It seems like the spiritual world and the physical world are like reflections of each other in a mirror, and act oppositely in some ways. (I'm not sure I'm making sense here:o)

Love can change the universe, but hate will mostly effect your immediate environment.

[greybeard]

Interesting Wolfgaze!:)

In a physical/scientific sense lower vibrations/frequencies contain more power/energy and can travel further(physically), but I think that in the spiritual/emotional sense the opposite is the case, in that higher vibrations have more impact and can travel further(spiritually), but still low vibrational negative emotional energy is still more noticeable in a physical sense in terms of atmosphere. It seems like the spiritual world and the physical world are like reflections of each other in a mirror, and act oppositely in some ways. (I'm not sure I'm making sense here:o)

Love can change the universe, but hate will mostly effect your immediate environment.


Hi AwakeinaDream
http://de.spiritualwiki.org/Hawkins/Teachings
Dr David Hawkins Power vs Force explains this well.
Force requires more and more "push" and runs out of steam--- Power is spiritual--higher frequency.
Gandhi vs British Imperial rule is classic.

The Map of consciousness from Power Vs Force
http://www.dharanipitaka.net/2011/2008/teachings/DavidHawkins-PowerVsForce.pdf

The PDF for the book Power vs Force /Hidden determinates to human behaviour

http://kgrd.8m.com/UPLOADS/Power-Vs-Force-David%20R.%20Hawkins,%20M.D.,%20Ph.D..pdf

Chris

[AwakeInADream]

Thanks Chris!:) I've looked for that book before but could never find a free version. It looks fascinating! and seems to cover a lot of areas. Definitely priority reading for me.:)

I wonder though... Is the bodies intelligence at the same level as the wisdom of the higher self? How much can the body really know?
Can the ego interfere with the bodies responses?

[greybeard]

Thanks Chris!:) I've looked for that book before but could never find a free version. It looks fascinating! and seems to cover a lot of areas. Definitely priority reading for me.:)

I wonder though... Is the bodies intelligence at the same level as the wisdom of the higher self? How much can the body really know?
Can the ego interfere with the bodies responses?
Hi AwakeinaDream
It takes time for old ideas to drop away particularly for me the one that i was the body rather than what is called The In dweller"
A later step was the realisation that there is only one consciousness--Higher Self.
I had to read this from different sources different teacher before I came to believe it.
God is like highly intelligent electromagnetic energy and were are in essence the same but of a lesser wattage.

Hope that helps
Chris

[greybeard]

Global Coherence Initiative

Commentary: Establishing the New Paradigm & Ongoing Global Earth Changes

Dear Chris,

Thank you to all of you for your ongoing support and participation in GCI and our mission to bring more peace and harmony to the world. GCI now has over 50,000 members; how exciting is this! For many people, 2012 was an incredibly intense year, bringing global changes on all levels: political, societal, economic and environmental. In this commentary, I want to address the ongoing global earth changes, what they mean to us and what we might expect in 2013.

GLOBAL GEOLOGICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE

At the World Forum, an international congress on GEOCATACLYSM held in 2011, extensive data from different earth science disciplines were compiled and discussed by various scientists. The goal was to gain a deeper insight into global environmental changes and their potential impact on civilization. The compiled data indicated that our planet is going through a great transformation. Many scientists realized that the changes not only affect our weather and climate, but they also affect the lithosphere (the ridged, outermost rocky shell of our planet), the hydrosphere (the combined mass of water found on our planet), the atmosphere and the magnetosphere (Earth’s magnetic field).

Prof. Dr. Elchin Khalilov, the Chairman of the World Forum, reported changes in the following areas, and some of the points below are directly quoted from the proceedings:

‘Magnetic poles’ drift acceleration

The explosive, more than fivefold growth of the North Magnetic Pole’s drift rate from 1990 to the present has been accompanied by a significant increase in Earth’s activity.

In 1998, the North Magnetic Pole’s drift rate approached its maximum value. From roughly 1998 on, there has been an observed sharp increase in the number of large earthquakes and earthquake fatalities, volcanic eruptions and tsunamis (catastrophic, medium sized and weak, see Figure 1).

Figure 1: Velocity of North Geomagnetic Pole movement
Figure 1: Velocity of North Geomagnetic Pole movement
(from N. Olsen and M. Mandea, 2007)

Large earthquakes

A comparative analysis of variations and the dynamics of numbers of large M> 8 earthquakes between 1980 and May 2010 revealed that starting from 1997-1999, there has been a surge in the number of large earthquakes and fatalities caused by them (see Figure 2).

Graph for M8 earthquakes
Graph for M>8 earthquakes

Increase in floods has been observed

Flood statistics from the US in Figure 3 below show a large increase in flood notifications between 2000-2008. In addition, the number of worldwide flood notifications for the period between February 2010 and late May 2010 is more than 2.5 times higher than the figures for the same periods from 2002 to 2006 inclusive.

Figure 3: U.S. flood statistics from 1980 to 2008
Figure 3: U.S. flood statistics from 1980 to 2008

Hurricanes, storms, fires

A surge was observed in the number of North Atlantic tropical storms between 1998 and 2007, and this tendency continues today. An increase in the total number of Atlantic Basin hurricanes from 1944 to the present was also observed. A recent super storm that is still alive in our memory is Hurricane Sandy. The dynamics of the annual number of U.S. forest fires from 1960 to 2007 reveals their increasing tendency, with a "surge" beginning in 1998. A similar pattern in the dynamics of forest fire statistics has been observed in other regions of Earth".

"An important role in climate change is attributed to global changes in the parameters of the geomagnetic field and magnetosphere; this refers in particular to the more than 500% increase in the North Magnetic Pole’s drift rate and reduction of the geomagnetic field intensity. Today, the impact of magnetospheric processes on Earth’s climate is considered a proven scientific fact."

As previously discussed in GCI commentaries, global climate change is also affected by solar activity and other solar variations, like the flux of solar radiation in particular, which is a proven scientific fact. "As a result of the studies conducted, a conclusion has been drawn about the beginning of the so-called global "energy spike" in our planet’s energy manifesting itself across all its strata: the lithosphere, hydrosphere, atmosphere and magnetosphere. The starting point for the global "energy spike" is roughly 1998. The global "energy spike" is explicitly reflected in the soaring statistical indicators for the vast majority of natural disasters most dangerous to humanity: earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, tornadoes, hurricanes, storms, floods and forest fires."

In maybe less scientific words, what does this global "energy spike" mean to us? Is the earth evolving to a different state of consciousness or frequency (along with humanity)? Can we learn to live with the earth changes, rather than being threatened by them? In mid-2013, the maximum of the present solar cycle is expected. So, this year we could expect more earth changes.

While we do not know what kind of earth changes to expect, we can take responsibility for our own inner well-being and help create more harmony in our energetic field environment. An example of how heart coherence can positively affect us can be found in the photographs below.

The first photograph shows a saliva sample from a person in an incoherent state; it doesn’t have any structure and looks like a blob. After five minutes of practicing heart coherence, saliva taken from the same person shows nicely formed crystals. Since we are composed of about 70% water, these saliva samples indicate that what we feel can have an impact on us.

Picture – saliva of person not coherent
Picture – saliva of a person not coherent

Picture – saliva of same person after five minutes of heart coherence practice.
Picture – saliva of the same person after five minutes of heart coherence practice.

We encourage you to practice heart coherence to increase harmony and well-being throughout 2013.

With appreciation for your continued support of the Global Coherence Initiative.

Annette Deyhle, PhD and GCI Research Team

P. S. To support the Institute of HeartMath and make a donation to our latest research project, Adopt a Scientist click here. Donate $50 or a monthly donation of $5 or more and receive a free Solar Revolution Movie DVD. In Solar Revolution, is a wealth of scientific evidence that shows a remarkable correlation between increase in solar activity and advances in our creative, mental and spiritual abilities. (We ship the DVD for free.) Donate Now.

Sorry I could not insert the pictures graphs etc--- this was pasted from an e mail to me.
Chris

[greybeard]

Nanci Danison speaks of creation from her Near Death Experience perspective.

In the second video she explains why and how we Light Being "souls" within humans can literally create the physical reality our human hosts experience.

Im not saying I take on board all that she says Its a may be so with me.

Comments of course welcome.

Chris









http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UlrWwli9Q0&list=UUyZtQvFp3khq7wmjPwRs3rw&index=10



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9G3hxtmg-8&list=UUyZtQvFp3khq7wmjPwRs3rw&index=4

[greybeard]

Dr. Alexander, a renowned academic neurosurgeon, spent 54 years honing his scientific worldview. He thought he knew how the brain and mind worked. A transcendental Near-Death Experience (NDE), in which he was driven to the brink of death and spent a week deep in coma from an inexplicable brain infection, changed all of that -- completely. (from http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/author)

Later he sought to reconnect with the peace and understanding of that experience and found it through programs at The Monroe Institute. This presentation was made at the 2012 Professional Seminar at The Monroe Institute.



Ps--- A raised conscious is out to get you----its inevitable -- surrender,----smiling.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7TXtV5s9mw



Questions and answers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axMDHBGtJMM

[zen deik]

To transcend the ego one must become humble .unfortunately it usually comes thru humiliation .You are only as sick as your darkest secret .selfishness and self-seeking are sure fire signs of an over inflated ego and getting it to the right size is usually a painful process but it is possible .no pain no gain

[greybeard]

Welcome zen delk
Thanks for placing your third post here.
All the best
Chris

[greybeard]

Conscious TV latest.
You have to go there to watch the interviews I cant down load them on to the thread.

Chris


Welcome to conscious.tv http://www.conscious.tv/

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John Rowan - 'The Centaur, Subtle, Causal and Non-Dual' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Non Duality - (loaded 18 April 2013) [watch this programme]
Awakenings - John Rowan - 'The Centaur, Subtle, Causal and Non-Dual' - Interview by Iain McNay
Started to work in the Transpersonal field in 1982 and wrote the book, 'The Transpersonal: Spirituality in Psychotherapy and Counselling'. John also co-wrote, 'The Therapist's Use of Self' arguing that the transpersonal has a unique contribution to make in the therapy field. He has been exploring the higher levels of mysticism since 2003, and has written several papers with detailed arguments, as well as leading transpersonal workshops in 25 countries.

In this interview we hear about John's fascinating history and explore the Centaur, Subtle, Causal and Non-Dual states and demonstrate the differences between these stages.

'In my daily work as a psychotherapist I attune myself to the client's way of being, in order to get on to the same wavelength, so to speak. I am what has been called 'an authentic trickster' in the sense that I can genuinely match the client's level of consciousness at all times. In other words I do not claim to be a dedicated mystic who is always at, say, the Non-Dual level of consciousness. I would rather claim to be able to enter that state at will or as appropriate.'

Robert Gebka and Kathy Monaco - 'Less Is More' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 18 April 2013) [watch this programme]
Other - Robert Gebka and Kathy Monaco - 'Less Is More' - Interview by Iain McNay
Robert Gebka is director of the Dorset Mindfulness Centre. He spent five years living and working at the Nan Hua Buddhist monastery in South Africa. He tells his story, including how he had to deal with many afflictions including anxiety, depression and drug addiction. He now works part-time within the mental health field for the NHS. He is passionately engaged in bringing mindfulness to the NHS and is the originator of the Mindful Recovery Project, a Mindfulness Based Recovery Support approach for individuals with severe mental health conditions.

Kathy Monaco was introduced to Buddhism to get answers to some of the questions that were always in the back of her mind. She lived as a nun both in South Africa and Taiwan before disrobing and constructing a simple life for herself using Buddhist tools.

Burgs - 'The Flavour of Liberation - Part 1' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Non Duality - (loaded 12 April 2013) [watch this programme]
Traditions - Burgs - 'The Flavour of Liberation - Part 1' - Interview by Iain McNay
Author of 'Beyond The Veil' and 'The Flavour Of Liberation - Volumes One, Two and Three.'

Has been teaching meditation in Europe and Asia since 1998. He initially trained as the main assistant to the Balinese meditation teacher and healer Merta Ada and helped him set up his Meditation school in Indonesia. The Healing meditation practices he learnt during this period, heavily influence Burgs' current teaching practice, which have a strong emphasis on the application of meditation in the maintenance and cultivation of physical and mental health. While learning from Merta Ada, he also trained in Chi Kung with a number of well-known Taoist teachers in Asia, and today integrates many of these practices into his teaching system. Went on to learn meditation from the Venerable Pa Auk Sayadaw in Burma. He was personally tutored by the Sayadaw, and became the first Westerner to complete the entire series of 40 Samatha meditation practices as described by the Buddha.

After disrobing as a monk in Burma, he was asked to visit the Tibetan Light Master, His Holiness Dodrupchen Rinpoche, who gave him the direct Dzogchen Mind Transmissions and subsequently recognised his attainment of some of the highest levels of Dzogchen practice. Since then, Burgs has been teaching both meditation and Chi Kung in the UK. He has a deep grounding and understanding in all aspects of meditation and energetic cultivation, and has a profound appreciation of how different spiritual practices and traditions fit together as a whole. He can directly perceive the mechanics of the mind and body, and can help elucidate the relationship between these aspects of ourselves.

Burgs - 'The Flavour of Liberation - Part 2' - Interview by Renate McNayUnder Non Duality - (loaded 12 April 2013) [watch this programme]
Traditions - Burgs - 'The Flavour of Liberation - Part 2' - Interview by Renate McNay
Author of 'Beyond The Veil' and 'The Flavour Of Liberation - Volumes One, Two and Three.'

Has been teaching meditation in Europe and Asia since 1998. He initially trained as the main assistant to the Balinese meditation teacher and healer Merta Ada and helped him set up his Meditation school in Indonesia. The Healing meditation practices he learnt during this period, heavily influence Burgs' current teaching practice, which have a strong emphasis on the application of meditation in the maintenance and cultivation of physical and mental health. While learning from Merta Ada, he also trained in Chi Kung with a number of well-known Taoist teachers in Asia, and today integrates many of these practices into his teaching system. Went on to learn meditation from the Venerable Pa Auk Sayadaw in Burma. He was personally tutored by the Sayadaw, and became the first Westerner to complete the entire series of 40 Samatha meditation practices as described by the Buddha.

After disrobing as a monk in Burma, he was asked to visit the Tibetan Light Master, His Holiness Dodrupchen Rinpoche, who gave him the direct Dzogchen Mind Transmissions and subsequently recognised his attainment of some of the highest levels of Dzogchen practice. Since then, Burgs has been teaching both meditation and Chi Kung in the UK. He has a deep grounding and understanding in all aspects of meditation and energetic cultivation, and has a profound appreciation of how different spiritual practices and traditions fit together as a whole. He can directly perceive the mechanics of the mind and body, and can help elucidate the relationship between these aspects of ourselves.

[greybeard]

Earth GAIA 101 - Seminar by NDE Mellan-Thomas Benedict

Very recent talk by Mellen of Near Death Experience fame.

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV5EUHxVPVk


Survival and Breaking out of the system! Mellen Thomas Benedict & Vinny Eastwood 21Feb2013




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ympcy_NaGqs

In this touching "Bonus interview" for the movie AWAKE IN THE DREAM, Mellen Thomas Bendict talks about his near death experience.
www.awakeinthedream.net
www.awake-der-film.de


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VQiVQ4fa_4

[greybeard]

Mindfulness and transpersonal interviews Conscious TV

http://www.conscious.tv/


Our latest programmes

John Rowan - 'The Centaur, Subtle, Causal and Non-Dual' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Non Duality - (loaded 18 April 2013) [watch this programme]
Awakenings - John Rowan - 'The Centaur, Subtle, Causal and Non-Dual' - Interview by Iain McNay
Started to work in the Transpersonal field in 1982 and wrote the book, 'The Transpersonal: Spirituality in Psychotherapy and Counselling'. John also co-wrote, 'The Therapist's Use of Self' arguing that the transpersonal has a unique contribution to make in the therapy field. He has been exploring the higher levels of mysticism since 2003, and has written several papers with detailed arguments, as well as leading transpersonal workshops in 25 countries.

In this interview we hear about John's fascinating history and explore the Centaur, Subtle, Causal and Non-Dual states and demonstrate the differences between these stages.

'In my daily work as a psychotherapist I attune myself to the client's way of being, in order to get on to the same wavelength, so to speak. I am what has been called 'an authentic trickster' in the sense that I can genuinely match the client's level of consciousness at all times. In other words I do not claim to be a dedicated mystic who is always at, say, the Non-Dual level of consciousness. I would rather claim to be able to enter that state at will or as appropriate.'

Robert Gebka and Kathy Monaco - 'Less Is More' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 18 April 2013) [watch this programme]
Other - Robert Gebka and Kathy Monaco - 'Less Is More' - Interview by Iain McNay
Robert Gebka is director of the Dorset Mindfulness Centre. He spent five years living and working at the Nan Hua Buddhist monastery in South Africa. He tells his story, including how he had to deal with many afflictions including anxiety, depression and drug addiction. He now works part-time within the mental health field for the NHS. He is passionately engaged in bringing mindfulness to the NHS and is the originator of the Mindful Recovery Project, a Mindfulness Based Recovery Support approach for individuals with severe mental health conditions.

Kathy Monaco was introduced to Buddhism to get answers to some of the questions that were always in the back of her mind. She lived as a nun both in South Africa and Taiwan before disrobing and constructing a simple life for herself using Buddhist tools.

[Rania]

Thanks for discussing this , very helpfull topic

[greybeard]

I would suggest you go to this as Paula has done great work on transcribing part of a David Sereda video.


"David Sereda : Theoretical Physics & Spiritual Wisdom"


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch--James-Gilliland-and-Trout-Lake-&p=661917&viewfull=1#post661917

[Mark]

There are energetic portals that occur as a result of space weather. In these portals, the influx of cosmic energy directly from space and funneled through the sun affects consciousness levels on earth and the rest of the solar system. It is during these times of openness that the Elite often schedule their energy rituals. It is their attempt to marshal the power of lower emotional states which are required at high population levels in order to affect mass consciousness. That lower emotional energy in the form of fear, anger or hatred exists at a fractured and unstable frequency and cannot travel like the smoother more stable frequencies of higher emotional energies like love, joy and compassion.

During the journey of awakening, there comes a point where it becomes possible for each of us to attain the ability to make a choice in that matter. To chose to be affected by collective emotional trends, or not. Depending upon your connection with family and friends, compassion for the world in general and orientation toward individual or collective growth, a conscious decision can be made to either lend one's energy to certain emotional initiatives or not. The Heart-math institute and other meditation-based offerings are good examples of positive ways in which to direct these energies.

We are individuals but we are also a part of something larger. No matter how much individual work we do, we will always be a part of something greater than us. The Buddha did not want to teach Awakening but was coaxed to by a god. He didn't think there were enough people on the planet that would 'get it'. But because of that decision and those of others who have pierced the veil, the collective has benefited from the experience and initiative of individuals. While the journey towards individual awakening and heart-opening remains our individual goals, the process of doing so does result in a wave effect, whereby the immediate environment is affected and ripples of consciousness reverberate outwards from the awakened individual to transform the global consciousness as well.

Being awakened, one is therefore afforded a choice, which is also present for those who are more under the influence of theirs and others emotional states, but less clearly. A choice in how to direct personal energy. The longer the state is abided within, the clearer the synapses become, the more rarified the neural net of the mind, which begins to shine and emit purer and purer energy. Thought process clarifies and stills more and more as life becomes more a function of living in the now rather than over-thinking everything and dwelling in the past and future.

Taking advantage of the alignments of stars and planets and the solar system as it travels through the galaxy by aligning one's self with one's highest potentiality during times when this energy makes that potentiality easier is an intuitive way of coming into attunement with natural forces and one's body, both grounding one's self in the Here and Now and, seemingly paradoxically, freeing one's self from the limitations of the flesh.

These are exhilarating and bounteous times. I hope everyone is enjoying the ride!

[greybeard]

Willingness to be yourself authentically and vulnerably - Panache Desai
The key to changing the world, to changing your life, and to empowering those around you is authenticity - the willingness to be yourself - the willingness to be vulnerable - the willingness to feel - the willingness to live. I'm simply reminding you of who you truly are, supporting you into self-love and acceptance by eradicating the judgement that you've imposed on yourself and society has opposed on you. ~ Panache



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo2nRM-NdW0

[greybeard]

How electromagnetic energy---The Schumann Resonance and various other things are in harmony with our brain and consciousness.
A small change in these energies can foster an uplift of consciousness.
Not an easy documentary for me to fully understand but I get the essence of it and the message is encouraging.

Many thanks to Dan for sending this important video to me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ZeC5Qf6fQ

[greybeard]

http://www.glcoherence.org/templates/gcp/e-mail/e-broadcast/care-focus/2013/april/gci-synchronized-full-moon-2013-04-online.php?mtcCampaign=-1&mtcEmail=156261627


The most powerful solar flare of the year erupted on April 11th, sparking a temporary radio blackout on Earth. It coincided with an eruption of super-hot solar plasma known as a coronal mass ejection. As we have discussed in GCI commentaries and webinars, solar flare activity intensifies human excitability, which can affect our mental and emotional natures. It’s not surprising that the past few weeks have seen a ramping up of North Korean threats of war, terrorism at the Boston Marathon, a 7.8 earthquake in Iran, extreme weather changes, and more. It’s important to increase our global compassion. We can each radiate compassion and coherent heart energy into the earth’s fields to help ease and balance the effects generated by solar storms. Being in our heart and moving with ease helps us and others navigate more easily through these transitional Earth and consciousness changes.

April 22nd is Earth Day, and one of the greatest contributions we can give to our planet is to make a heartfelt commitment to work in harmony and cooperation with Earth and people to create a better world. Raising our personal vibration is our highest gift to Earth, others and to ourselves. We can do this, along with our normal Earth Day acknowledgments, activities and celebrations.

[Pharaohs Maze]

Looking at ourselves clearly and calmly, without violence or grandiose ostentation, without expectation or judgement, and with a committed resolve of non action is not easy thing to accomplish.

Our motivation, focus and commitment needs to be dedicated to even begin such a process.
the motivation for this type of practice is usually born out of a raw necessity, a genuine emotional or psychological, cultural or spiritual crisis. Since true intention require a personal sacrifice of some sort, people do not find there answers with out very much personal sacrifice a nd investment.

There are many who are merely window shopping when it comes to self realisation, but they have yet to make a serious committed investment. Often confined to the realm of ideologies, theories, philosophies, and creative thinking, the actual raw experience of looking at ourselves is an entirely different matter than to merely comprehend it.

I see a great dogma perpetuated within the communities of spiritual seekers…this constant babble about love and light and transcendence and living in a state of bliss and grace, contains a great contradiction if we mean to live purposefully.
Our lives and the world around us present us with a complex set of challenges, sometimes dilemmas and conflicts ensue. The advantages of self awareness is that it gives us a greater ability to engage more deeply with ourselves and our environment and ultimately makes us more capable of transformations.

Great iconic characters such as Mandela, Ghandi, Dr King etc did not carry out there missions in a state of serenity and bliss. They were as we are, highly emotive, greatly conflicted and contradictory characters who capacity for ruthlessness was as integrated as was there capacity for kindness and compassion.

There's a great misconception and self deception in believing all of our actions should, or ever could be benevolent. Our very existence depends on multitude of sacrifice within all kingdoms of life. That sounds like a grand poetic statement, but it is meant quite literally…Our need to eat for example requires life to be sacrificed.

I would like to point out that looking at oneself involves looking into darkness as much looking into the light. I would go so far as to say that we must become darkness in order to hold light.
The dualistic nature of our paradigm has never asked us to choose sides, yet so many are ready to pledge there alligence to the light or to the dark, to the right or to the left, to be active or to be passive etc.
I see only the necessity to be accountable.

It is not a case of moving beyond the ego, the very sentence is contradictory is it not? The ego needs to measure and compare things, contrast and analyse, Im very glad i have one since I would be somewhat impaired without one!

The real question is can we look at ourselves, facing our hypocrisies our evil our weakness our pain and repulsions... and yet do nothing?
Can we look at our strength and talents, virtues our bliss and yet do nothing?
What does this even mean?
This is the very act of moving beyond the dualistic paradigm of our own nature.
this is the first willed step toward self awareness…

Active non action, a simple technique to drop everything we think we are and discover what we really are…

A topic for another post.

PM

[lookbeyond]

There are energetic portals that occur as a result of space weather. In these portals, the influx of cosmic energy directly from space and funneled through the sun affects consciousness levels on earth and the rest of the solar system. It is during these times of openness that the Elite often schedule their energy rituals. It is their attempt to marshal the power of lower emotional states which are required at high population levels in order to affect mass consciousness. That lower emotional energy in the form of fear, anger or hatred exists at a fractured and unstable frequency and cannot travel like the smoother more stable frequencies of higher emotional energies like love, joy and compassion.

During the journey of awakening, there comes a point where it becomes possible for each of us to attain the ability to make a choice in that matter. To chose to be affected by collective emotional trends, or not. Depending upon your connection with family and friends, compassion for the world in general and orientation toward individual or collective growth, a conscious decision can be made to either lend one's energy to certain emotional initiatives or not. The Heart-math institute and other meditation-based offerings are good examples of positive ways in which to direct these energies.

We are individuals but we are also a part of something larger. No matter how much individual work we do, we will always be a part of something greater than us. The Buddha did not want to teach Awakening but was coaxed to by a god. He didn't think there were enough people on the planet that would 'get it'. But because of that decision and those of others who have pierced the veil, the collective has benefited from the experience and initiative of individuals. While the journey towards individual awakening and heart-opening remains our individual goals, the process of doing so does result in a wave effect, whereby the immediate environment is affected and ripples of consciousness reverberate outwards from the awakened individual to transform the global consciousness as well.

Being awakened, one is therefore afforded a choice, which is also present for those who are more under the influence of theirs and others emotional states, but less clearly. A choice in how to direct personal energy. The longer the state is abided within, the clearer the synapses become, the more rarified the neural net of the mind, which begins to shine and emit purer and purer energy. Thought process clarifies and stills more and more as life becomes more a function of living in the now rather than over-thinking everything and dwelling in the past and future.

Taking advantage of the alignments of stars and planets and the solar system as it travels through the galaxy by aligning one's self with one's highest potentiality during times when this energy makes that potentiality easier is an intuitive way of coming into attunement with natural forces and one's body, both grounding one's self in the Here and Now and, seemingly paradoxically, freeing one's self from the limitations of the flesh.

These are exhilarating and bounteous times. I hope everyone is enjoying the ride!


Hi Rahkyt and Chris, one of the reasons i dont frequent this thread a lot is that on a personal level i am finding it very challenging to put into practise the "feel good" info here, if it was only me, me me i think i could be so much more "evolved".However in this life ive ended up with a most challenging marriage and children ( who i love and would not want to live without),yet the toll on my "peace" is great.The conflict within relationships is hard to deal with on a practical level while trying to maintain the "headspace" of one striving for an awakened state of being.So im always looking around Avalon for tips on how to survive it all... sorry for the vent/whinge, its school holidays-lb

[greybeard]

Im smiling
Yoganada said
The darkness comes from the same place as the light.
A deep examination of this thread would find people sharing their darkest moments through Alcoholism and dark nights of the soul.
Also covered has been the action of non action and surrender the fruits of ones labour.
Topics like "Of my self I do nothing".
The search to find the Truth--- the real Self ---is the hardest, most difficult challenge anyone can face.
The 12 steps of AA , A Course in Miracles, Ramana eternal question "Who am I" the Work and many other self enquiry techniqies have been pointed to.
The thread covers a lot and many videos---spiritual and scientific included--- also a whole book that came to me.
Its all there for the diligent, but, it is an awesome task, as there is years of pages in here.

Best wishes
Chris

[greybeard]

The ego expects to be an enlightened ego -- however enlightenment is not a personal event as there is no person left after the event.
Jesus spoke of the need to die.
Some take that as "Be born again" nope, its the death of the identification with the story of me.
The small self dies and is replaced by SELF.
There is only one consciousness.
That consciousness pretends to be Chris and all seeming others---there is only one of us here.

St Teresa of Calcutta when asked how she could look after lepers, untouchables etc---She said--- "I see them as Jesus in disguise."

Not so long ago I would have been locked up in a mental hospital or burnt at the stake for what I believe to be so.

Its really simple--- only God is and we are That.

ch

[greybeard]

Gregg Braden Ancient Wisdom & Modern Science

Lisa Garr welcomed author Gregg Braden, who discussed the relationship between ancient wisdom and modern science, and how people are connected to one another and to the world around them.

Biography:

New York Times Best selling author Gregg Braden has been a featured guest for international conferences, and media specials, exploring the role of ancient wisdom and spirituality in science.

A former Senior Computer Systems Designer for Martin Marietta Aerospace, Computer geologist for Phillips Petroleum and a Technical Operations Manager for Cisco Systems, Braden is now considered a leading authority on bridging the wisdom of our past with the science and peace of our future. Through his journeys into the remote mountain villages, temples and monasteries of times past, Braden marries the wisdom of ancient traditions and modern science to benefit our lives today.

From his groundbreaking books, Awakening to Zero Point and Walking Between the Worlds, to his pioneering work in The Isaiah Effect, he offers meaningful solutions to the unique challenges of our time. In his newest book, The God Code, Gregg Braden ventures beyond the traditional boundaries of science and spirituality, revealing the words of an ancient and timeless message encoded as the DNA of all life!

Wikipedia
Consciousness is the quality or state of being aware of an external object or something within oneself. It has been defined as: subjectivity, awareness, sentience, the ability to experience or to feel, wakefulness, having a sense of selfhood, and the executive control system of the mind. Despite the difficulty in definition, many philosophers believe that there is a broadly shared underlying intuition about what consciousness is. As Max Velmans and Susan Schneider wrote in The Blackwell Companion to Consciousness: "Anything that we are aware of at a given moment forms part of our consciousness, making conscious experience at once the most familiar and most mysterious aspect of our lives."

Philosophers since the time of Descartes and Locke have struggled to comprehend the nature of consciousness and pin down its essential properties. Issues of concern in the philosophy of consciousness include whether the concept is fundamentally valid; whether consciousness can ever be explained mechanistically; whether non-human consciousness exists and if so how it can be recognized; how consciousness relates to language; whether consciousness can be understood in a way that does not require a dualistic distinction between mental and physical states or properties; and whether it may ever be possible for computers or robots to be conscious.

In recent years, consciousness has become a significant topic of research in psychology and neuroscience. The primary focus is on understanding what it means biologically and psychologically for information to be present in consciousness—that is, on determining the neural and psychological correlates of consciousness. The majority of experimental studies assess consciousness by asking human subjects for a verbal report of their experiences (e.g., "tell me if you notice anything when I do this"). Issues of interest include phenomena such as subliminal perception, blindsight, denial of impairment, and altered states of consciousness produced by psychoactive drugs or spiritual or meditative techniques.

In medicine, consciousness is assessed by observing a patient's arousal and responsiveness, and can be seen as a continuum of states ranging from full alertness and comprehension, through disorientation, delirium, loss of meaningful communication, and finally loss of movement in response to painful stimuli. Issues of practical concern include how the presence of consciousness can be assessed in severely ill, comatose, or anesthetized people, and how to treat conditions in which consciousness is impaired or disrupted




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFRrQ73EVM


Something Big is About to Happen Russian Meteor Crash
Published on 15 Feb 2013

Very insightful interview with Scientist Gregg Braden. Meteor hits Russia. Russia meteorite explosion: Zinc factory wall damaged, windows blown hundreds injured


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrl7DVCOce4

[lookbeyond]

Thanks Chris,yesterday was a hard day for me ,sometimes my load feels unmanageable (family/work/other) and i feel crushed under the weight of it, always the new day dawns and thankfully i can take a big breath and continue, ill persevere knowing that please god may i be able to change to make positive change happen around me because no one else is budging or likely to.What i find difficult is that the onus being on me to be the unwavering one when i dont always feel personally strong, there, did it, bared my soul for all to see

[Linda Joy Crutcher]

Hello brothers and sisters, and thank you all for your wisdom and contribution in the matter of the ego.

My view on this is that the ego is a beautiful thing.

While experiencing ourselves in the three dimensional plane, and while we remain in a consciousness of duality, the ego in fact is an essential part of what keeps us moving forward. It is a protective coat that we wear until we can see clearly and be safe to take it off. Taking it off doesn't mean resisting or denying it, but looking at the purpose it served while journeying toward clarity of self. When we can see it with loving, instead of judging eyes and thank it for its service, we integrate with that part of our experience and are able to embrace all of what we have been in every moment of our lives. There must be nothing separated from us if our goal is to love the whole self and each other. If we cannot find the love in all of what the human experience is, the doors that separate us from total love remain closed. The fact is we all have ego structures and those egos protect and defend us until we are ready to see ourselves clearly.

The human ego simply operates from its point of duality and serves to keep the small self safe. The varying ways people do this is merely a matter of consciousness. Man's ego is concerned with "me" while the central or 'I Am' self is concerned with "us". Because we release ourselves from the self-centered place where human ego lives, and find true freedom without its interference, it gets viewed as an enemy. We all know; a consciousness of Oneness knows no enemies.

Thanks for listening and give your shed ego a big hug and thank it for getting you through much of your life! It was very good to you when you needed it. . . remember?

Linda Joy Crutcher

[Mark]

Hi Linda, welcome to Avalon. Glad to see you posting in such a wonderful thread upon first arriving.

The ego is a beautiful thing. Beauty as a condition and artifact of Incarnation, of that 3D world and existence that we all have chosen to experience.

From the perspective of Awakening, you're very much on point:


While experiencing ourselves in the three dimensional plane, and while we remain in a consciousness of duality, the ego in fact is an essential part of what keeps us moving forward. It is a protective coat that we wear until we can see clearly and be safe to take it off.

The paradox of the enlightenment idea is in that it is thought of a journey, as a process, as a movement from one state of consciousness to another. When it is in actuality a cessation of movement, a stilling of process, an ending of a journey at the point at which we first began. This is the experience of Kensho, of Satori, when one has become immersed within that eternal and infinite sea of Becoming only to realize one has never really left it.

Upon returning to the state of waking and normal consciousness, we then often re-embark upon that journey, begin some process, create internal and external movement from one state or another in the attempt to return to that space. Meditation, yoga, prayer, all become tools that we employ attempting to capture starlight in a palm-full of sea-water, to hold effervescent bubbles of froth in shaking hands. Eventually the journey back is seen as a releasing of all concepts of movement, of going from here to there, of becoming. It is letting go, clearing the mind of the detritus of past and future, of wants and needs, until nothing is left but the clarity that existed in the beginning.


Thanks for listening and give your shed ego a big hug and thank it for getting you through much of your life! It was very good to you when you needed it. . . remember?

Thank you for sharing and providing this wonderful reminder of self-knowledge and gratitude, appreciation for being and spiritual growth. Bless.

[Linda Joy Crutcher]

Beautifully said. . . thank you.

[Rich]

When it is in actuality a cessation of movement

They say awakening is a process of 'remembering' of course that is correct depending on what
words we like to use (where we look from), but I prefer the word 'forgetting' because it makes it
very clear that there is nothing to do except stop doing.
In other words we are That and our concept of time covers it up.



The ability to forget everything and remain detached is the highest state possible.
~ Nityananda

[greybeard]

Adyashanti said that Ego is a verb---- as in doing---movement--obtaining--rejecting and so forth.
What is not commonly known is that all these things just happen perfectly without ego getting in the way.
Of myself I do nothing.
Ramesh Balsekar said The biggest obstacle to enlightenment is the thought that "I am the doer"
Try stopping breathing for a few moments and see what happens.
Breath happens perfectly all by itself

Thanks to all contributing to this discussion.

Thanks to Look beyond for sharing.

This was a reminder to me.

In order to be fully here and experience we have to have humility and be vulnerable.
Without this love will perhaps be denied
Being open to give and receive love can seem to leave one vulnerable.

Help will only be asked for with a degree of humility and the risk of the request being denied.
It takes humility and yet self worth to ask for something knowing full well it may be denied.
It takes maturity and strength to risk refusal.
I ask anyway--- refusal is not taken personally.
I learned a lot in AA--- We never get sent more in one day than we can handle albeit sometimes we need help.

Hope my wandering is helpful to someone.

Chris

[greybeard]

"Making a living is about what you get. Making a life is about what you give." -- Winston Churchill
"It was a high counsel that I once heard given to a young person, 'Always do what you are afraid to do.'" -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Take calculated risks. That is quite different from being rash." -- George S. Patton

[lookbeyond]

Just a few more years, then it will be a calculated risk to make a life and not be afraid

[greybeard]

Topics for discussion
Though I started the thread I have always been happy for others to start any discussion on spirituality or self help.
Tony was very good at coming up with new topics and I miss that.
Jenci good at sharing her experience--- I miss her.
Another Bob, the expert, I miss his clarity.
So if anyone wants to start a topic on this thread to open it up im more than happy.
I realise that some spiritual topics are perhaps better debated in their own threads of course.
However a person may have a single question or wants something clarified that could be answered here.

Chris

[Linda Joy Crutcher]

Hello again, Rahkyt.

I reread your brilliant words again this morning and have already come to understand in a new way. Thank you very much for the awakening!

Blessings and thanks.

Linda

[Mark]

You're very kind, Linda, I appreciate the sentiment.

When I write, it often comes off in my mind as barely adequate, as the words are only remnants of experience inexpressible, I express it though as best I can given my, our, continuing traversal of Samsara. Until my last Kensho I watched a lot of videos of people attempting to describe the indescribable. On that journey. Filled with movement, meditations, desires. How it's not necessary. But once I returned, I also 'remembered', as EmEx put it so clearly, and now the challenge is the Age-old one, how to express it clearly, and there are so many out there now who do it as well as anybody can. It is all helpful. This thread is a treasure for all seeking resources along the 'journey'.

I miss them too, GB. Bless.

[greybeard]

You're very kind, Linda, I appreciate the sentiment.

When I write, it often comes off in my mind as barely adequate, as the words are only remnants of experience inexpressible, I express it though as best I can given my, our, continuing traversal of Samsara. Until my last Kensho I watched a lot of videos of people attempting to describe the indescribable. On that journey. Filled with movement, meditations, desires. How it's not necessary. But once I returned, I also 'remembered', as EmEx put it so clearly, and now the challenge is the Age-old one, how to express it clearly, and there are so many out there now who do it as well as anybody can. It is all helpful. This thread is a treasure for all seeking resources along the 'journey'.

I miss them too, GB. Bless.

Hi Rahkty
It is you and people like you sharing as you do that make this thread the resource that it is.
I think I will start re reading a page or so at a time.
If I had the skill an index at the front would be a good thing.
Anyway people express what they need to express and find the relevant answers instantly in most cases.

Thanks Chris

[Mark]

Hi Greybeard, I am amenable to spending time in this thread and interacting on this topic with folks.

One thing that I have been wondering about are others experiences in Awakening.

I'm not talking about political or conspiratorial awakening, but instead, the Awakening described by the Ancients and Mystics. The awakening of spirit.

What I have found to be quite disconcerting and unexpected is the way that others in your life interact with you once you've had an experience that marks a clear before/after point in your life. These are some the characteristics I have noted:

1) They act as if nothing has happened.

2) They get angry.

3) They do not believe you.

4) They continue to act as if you are the same as you were before even if your energy, personality and bearing is markedly different.

In all of the old societies when someone would awaken to the extent that they were no longer the same person they were before, they would always leave. They always spent time in the Desert or the Forest, their shift in behavior and focus was done during a period of aloneness, time away from others. Therefore, when they returned to the space of community, they were fully ensconced within their new personality matrix and were able to make a clear distinction between who they were before and who they had then become.

And yet, there are the numerous tales in the Buddhist tradition where Awakening would occur to numerous people, sometimes individually, sometimes in pairs or trios, other times in the hundreds, or the thousands. But there are no tales about how they dealt with the Awakening experience and reconciled it with the lives they lead thereafter.

I have come to conclusions and also have developed strategies in dealing with this but would love to hear other people's accounts, if there are still any around the forum who have experienced Kensho/Satori events.

Bless.

[greybeard]

Adyashanti has addressed this subject on quite a few of his talks.
http://www.adyashanti.org/

Thanks for starting the discussion Rahkty

I will see what I can come up with myself.

Anyone else is welcome to contribute or ask questions.

Chris

[greybeard]

On one occasion I was with my future wife sitting on a bench and I noticed a woman making her way in our direction---all of a suden I saw "God" in her every movement I was in awe. I was mesmerised---some what bug eyed. I was brought back with a comment on me staring at this woman.
I did not even attempt to explain.
Chris

[lookbeyond]

On one occasion I was with my future wife sitting on a bench and I noticed a woman making her way in our direction---all of a suden I saw "God" in her every movement I was in awe. I was mesmerised---some what bug eyed. I was brought back with a comment on me staring at this woman.
I did not even attempt to explain.
Chris

Well Chris that is beautiful, if only the lady knew (both actually) thx -lb

[greybeard]

I agree very much with you Rahkty and Im not enlightened though drifting in and out of awake would probably be accurate.
A friend on Avalon at one point in time could not see how I did not take sides and could see the others point of view. It looked like I was being two faced but no I could easily make a solid case for both points of view.(but for the grace of God there go I)
It gets increasingly difficult for me to interact with others.
I feel compassion yet im divorced from the situation.
I see it as a cosmic joke yet Im aware of the others suffering.
How can I explain what I dont understand?
I can voice an opinion but there is no energy behind it--I dont mind being wrong and an opinion is not set in concrete.
To others that looks like all kind of things that it is not--- there is no agenda on my part.

Chris

[greybeard]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdneZ4fIIHE&feature=youtu.be

[Rich]

It gets increasingly difficult for me to interact with others.

why?......

[Chester]

try this on for size... I agree with Tim Freke about this "ego."

uIkQusGq3II

[greybeard]

It gets increasingly difficult for me to interact with others.

why?......
Good question EmEx
To put it in context From a somewhat shy solitary childhood I started winning sailing races and playing in a successful local rock band-- a nonentity became popular--I liked that.
Several successful self employed businesses followed on
When I got immersed in the spiritual search all that began to fall away-- the number of people I could share spiritual insights with got fewer and fewer.
There was a personality change --- what was so important, no longer was of any concern.
The mind became virtually silent.
I could see clearly the cause of others difficulties but had to keep my mouth shut as sometimes that would have been an unpalatable "truth"
I have to be very specific in what I say as If I let right brain dominate as it does then people really would think id lost it.
I think in essence and context rather than detail.
I mainly keep myself to my self, apart from a couple of musician friends I play with---I dont discuss anything other than music or the weather with them.
The forum is invaluable to me as here I can interact in a positive way.

So there you go.

Regards Chris

[GarethBKK]

It is a fact that very few talk about what happens after awakening, apart to suggest that living in a monastery may be necessary. This misses the point. At a Damma talk recently, a venerable teacher was talking about the need to keep practicing. My comment was that the more I practiced the fewer friends I had. The response (after the laughter) was that we change our friends with our change in awareness. Here's my observation:

Self makes the decisions about where to go, who to meet, what to say and what to do. Allow Self to guide. Put thoughts into their proper perspective and act from Heart. Allow the surprises to arise. Some old acquaintances think the person they see is now serious and dull. Some become wary. But, many more begin to seek the most intimate of exchanges in the interest of helping themselves. Near strangers will approach and start taking about marital problems, for example. This is the power of allowing awareness to speak.

When launching into all contexts accepting, free of attachment to outcomes, with no need for self-gratification or reward, and only a willingness to project love, the fascination with life becomes an enchantment. This is purpose.

[lookbeyond]

Funny Gareth i wrote a post and deleted, ive found that i do the above with work and feel authentic, no need for self gratification/rewards/approval.The hardest test is Family Life!!where outcomes are important, people get offended and gossip-shish!I wish to be a nun in a monastry sometimes!Real life is super challenging especially when you have to engage where you dont want to anymore in the interests of your children.For me, enchantment is when im on my own in the backyard,a coffee in hand, sun on my back, birds singing in the trees, our bunny nuzzling my feet- solitude, peace,washing blowing gently in the breeze, just here and now, no later- but then life calls,oh well

[Rich]

greybeard, I can relate I don't have anyone on my 'level' that I could talk to about these things so I talk about practical, mundane things.



I have to be very specific in what I say as If I let right brain dominate as it does then people really would think id lost it.

Have you heard of Non violent communication?
I am far from an expert in it but it has still helped in situations:
non violent communication (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56253-How-to-understand-what-a-person-is-saying&p=640602#post640602)

[GarethBKK]

Funny Gareth i wrote a post and deleted, ive found that i do the above with work and feel authentic, no need for self gratification/rewards/approval.The hardest test is Family Life!!where outcomes are important, people get offended and gossip-shish!I wish to be a nun in a monastry sometimes!Real life is super challenging especially when you have to engage where you dont want to anymore in the interests of your children.For me, enchantment is when im on my own in the backyard,a coffee in hand, sun on my back, birds singing in the trees, our bunny nuzzling my feet- solitude, peace,washing blowing gently in the breeze, just here and now, no later- but then life calls,oh well

Thank you for the reminder. I have no idea how I would cope if I were looking after little ones. My wife and I both know that neither one of us needs the other, but we love each other anyway. I haven't the experience of having children dependent on me. Perhaps projecting love at others' children in a detached way will give insights into approaching your own?

Life calling me is what I crave now, rather than solitude. I never know what great adventure lies in wait. By way of example, this morning I saw a guy setting up a sandwich stall on the street I hadn't seen before. We exchanged smiles. I'd just had breakfast but I wished him success as I as I passed. He thanked me. The thought arose that I should have bought a sandwich from him. Two hours later my wife came home and surprised me with a sandwich bought from a new guy she had seen on the street. This sounds a simple thing, but it is not coincidence. The amazement of good intention manifesting itself again and again has become what life is all about. I follow my Heart and let experience happen.

[lookbeyond]

Just re read my post, i wasnt actually meaning not wanting to engage with my children, i meant the engaging with others that comes from having children, this is most challenging for me,eg the pettiness and power games of the school canteen which i had to avoid, school committees etc.All these types of things wear me down.

Gareth, thankyou for your example re the sandwich man,i live this way too,i smile when i make eye contact with people.Most recently we caught a bus and on the way home an obviously mentally/slightly physically disabled young man boarded the bus.He gently and cautiously made eye contact with the older lady next to him who warmly smiled at him, then he ventured to look across at me and we exchanged smiles, later he looked again and i smiled again and what i received in return was one of the most magnificent smiles i have ever been privileged to receive,these are treasured moments in a harsh world.

[Chester]

Hi, a friend of mine wrote the following. I know him well and understand his words as a metaphor... not meant literally. I found these words very helpful so I printed it up and taped it to my fridge where I am able to read it often -

from Mark Pinkham


Taming the Dragon

For a Gnostic Templar all the sacred symbology associated with the spiritual warrior represents his or her inner principles and characteristics. According to this Gnostic Templar perspective, St. Michael and his Dragon represent the inner Soul/Spirit (St. Michael) and the material parts (the Dragon) of a spiritual warrior, including his or her physical, emotional and mental bodies, as well as mind, ego, etc. The challenge of the warrior's inner Soul/Spirit is to tame those parts of self represented by the Dragon and then use them as vehicles to achieve enlightenment - an accomplishment represented by the motif of a warrior riding his or her Dragon to other worlds, and ultimately to "Heaven." In this regard Heaven denotes both a dimensional realm as well as the ascended Gnostic Consciousness. Thus, from a Gnostic Templar perspective, to "slay" the Dragon - which is the accepted interpretation of St. Michael's interaction with his Dragon - is tantamount to slaying yourself.

[greybeard]

If you sign up for Tim Freeke's free news letter on this link you will get a free two hour talk which is brilliant.

http://www.themysteryexperience.com/

He was also in the film "Who is driving the dream bus."

Thanks to Chester for reminding me of Tim.
and yes the individual self dies to make room for the Self.
Tim is quite clear in the talk----ultimately there is only one of us here.
At first the thought that I am the body has to be seen through--then the idea that I am the doer-- then finally knowing there is only "One without a second"
Chris

[Chester]

If you sign up for Tim Freeke's free news letter on this link you will get a free two hour talk which is brilliant.

http://www.themysteryexperience.com/

He was also in the film "Who is driving the dream bus."

Thanks to Chester for reminding me of Tim.
and yes the individual self dies to make room for the Self.
Tim is quite clear in the talk----ultimately there is only one of us here.
At first the thought that I am the body has to be seen through--then the idea that I am the doer-- then finally knowing there is only "One without a second"
Chris

Could not be said better, Chris, and done so in 40 words. Man, its good to know you, Sir!

[greybeard]

Your no half bad your self Chester.
That's a Scottish compliment.
Love Chris

[Shadowman]

Hi Greybeard, I am amenable to spending time in this thread and interacting on this topic with folks.

One thing that I have been wondering about are others experiences in Awakening.

I'm not talking about political or conspiratorial awakening, but instead, the Awakening described by the Ancients and Mystics. The awakening of spirit.

What I have found to be quite disconcerting and unexpected is the way that others in your life interact with you once you've had an experience that marks a clear before/after point in your life. These are some the characteristics I have noted:

1) They act as if nothing has happened.

2) They get angry.

3) They do not believe you.

4) They continue to act as if you are the same as you were before even if your energy, personality and bearing is markedly different.

In all of the old societies when someone would awaken to the extent that they were no longer the same person they were before, they would always leave. They always spent time in the Desert or the Forest, their shift in behavior and focus was done during a period of aloneness, time away from others. Therefore, when they returned to the space of community, they were fully ensconced within their new personality matrix and were able to make a clear distinction between who they were before and who they had then become.

And yet, there are the numerous tales in the Buddhist tradition where Awakening would occur to numerous people, sometimes individually, sometimes in pairs or trios, other times in the hundreds, or the thousands. But there are no tales about how they dealt with the Awakening experience and reconciled it with the lives they lead thereafter.

I have come to conclusions and also have developed strategies in dealing with this but would love to hear other people's accounts, if there are still any around the forum who have experienced Kensho/Satori events.

Bless.


Hi Rahkyt,

After awakening, 1-4 are perfectly OK.

There is only awakened being, but from the point of view of the distorted ego state, it is confusing, as they still see you as just another ego, possibly making outrageous or deluded claims.

Without them having at least some direct experience or kensho or satori, they have no frame of reference.

As you pointed out, putting the “experience” into words is difficult, and even the most eloquent descriptions have been misunderstood throughout the ages.

Still, the totality has it’s own way, be it beyond logic or comprehension. Those who are sufficiently “ripe” or mature will be drawn to an awakened one. And just as there are a myriad of seekers, so the totality creates a myriad of apparent awakened beings to suit different temperaments and circumstances.

This again leads to some confusion, as seekers tend to imitate the outer manifestations of a Buddha or Christ without comprehending their “inner” transformation or transcendence. As ego’s, they see an enlightened one as a very special ego, not as a being whom has gone totally beyond relative or individual identity;

Foxes have holes and birds have their nests, but the son of man has nowhere to lay his head and rest. - Jesus

If anyone should say that the Tathagata comes or goes, or sits or reclines, he does not understand my meaning. - Buddha

gone gone, gone beyond, gone altogether beyond, O what an awakening, all hail! - Buddha



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWr0XW9w7JA

To the rare ones with ears to hear, offer clear guidance, without creating dependence. To those who are not ready, do not be drawn into lengthy discussions or debates. Allow them complete freedom to be as they are, until their yearning for truth overrides their worldly pursuits, conceptual attachments and interests.

As long as one has not attained Awakening, or Nirvana, or Rigpa, or Buddhahood, one is subject to repeated assaults by the illusory power of the mind (metaphorically symbolized by Jesus's temptation by Satan in the desert, or Mara's assault on Buddha under the bodhi tree). In Satori, it is like the clouds clear for a little while, and the clear sky of pure awareness is experienced. But then the clouds return. As long as there remain traces of identification with forms - mental, physical or otherwise; simply notice it and continue with your preferred technique. Eventually the state of non-duality will stabilize. Until then, it is wise to attend to your own “poison arrow” before being too concerned about removing the poisoned arrows of others;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_arrow

The mind’s (or Satan’s, or Mara’s) greatest trick is to imitate the Self, with a thought construct, or matrix, known as the self or ego.

Awakening is simply discriminating between the thinking self and the Self;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xV8xgWlZy0

With Love/ In Lak’ech
tim

[greybeard]

One thought I had to battle with is pointed to in "A Course in Miracles"
"Specialness is the last resort of the ego"
It was very easy to think that I had found something that others were in ignorance off. Then there were certain gifts that came with Kundalini awakening.
Some mystical experiences occurred.
Me liked the feeling of specialness and being the story teller.
Me as the ego is scared of not being.
I as I realise that death is a fallacy.
There is still a tug of war going on though it is now seen as "Of no importance"
I do what I do as best I can and leave all to "God"--- the fruits/end result are His.
Thanks Tim for your input.

Chris

[greybeard]

Quantum Communication

This documentary film by Producer, David Sereda, Quantum Communication, attempts to teach us how communication really works from the Quantum level and how this is connected to the Universal Laws of Attraction. How do we manifest our future Soul-Matches, Business Partners, Teachers, and how do we communicate with God? What is actually happening when we pray? How do we create an intelligent dialog with the creative force of the Universe to allow us to experience a Quantum leap in our own intelligence?

The way we manifest abundance in our lives is to awaken the genius within each one of us so that we can excel in our relationships, careers and super-learning to transform our lives and those around us. Discover how to master this in your life! This awakening of intelligence happens when we understand how Quantum Communication actually functions within each of us. Learn techniques to open this awareness within yourself to become a Fully-Actualized human being.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb_BN0ITDPQ

[greybeard]

David R. Hawkins - What Kind Of Principles Can I Apply To My Life




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0fzsiddr94




Sir David Ramon Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D., affectionately called "Doc," died peacefully at home in Sedona, Arizona, on September 19, 2012, at the age of 85. He was born on June 3, 1927, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin; he had been a resident of Sedona since 1979.




He is survived by his wife Susan J. Hawkins of Sedona, step-daughter Sarah J. Humphrey (Josh Spradling), and step-granddaughter Evren L. Spradling of Peoria, Arizona.




Dr. Hawkins was renowned as a physician, author, lecturer, and researcher of consciousness. After serving in the U.S. Navy during WWII, he graduated from the Medical College of Wisconsin in 1953. For the next 25 years, he lived in New York, where his pioneering work as a psychiatrist brought major clinical breakthroughs, especially in the treatment of schizophrenia and alcoholism. His research findings were published widely in medical, scientific, and psychoanalytic journals. As Medical Director of the North Nassau Mental Health Center (1956--1980) and Director of Research at Brunswick Hospital (1968--1979) on Long Island, he had the largest practice in New York. Dr. Hawkins also served as a psychiatric advisor to Catholic, Protestant, and Buddhist monasteries. In 1973, he co-authored Orthomolecular Psychiatry with Nobel Laureate chemist Linus Pauling, initiating a new field within psychiatry and leading to appearances on The Today Show, The Barbara Walters Show, and The Mcneil/Leher News Hour.

Dr. Hawkins spent the last three decades of his life in Arizona, working to correlate the seemingly disparate domains of science and spirituality. In 1983, he established the Institute for Spiritual Research, a nonprofit organization dedicated to consciousness research. During the 1980s, his lectures at such events as the First National Conference on Addictions and Consciousness (1985) and Whole Life Expo (1986), both held in California, re-contextualized addiction by illuminating the underlying spiritual drive for inner peace and how to cultivate it apart from substances. During the 1990s, he served as the Chief of Staff at Mingus Mountain Estate Residential Treatment Center for adolescent girls in Prescott Valley and was the consulting psychiatrist for several recovery houses in Arizona.




In 1995, at the age of 68, he received a Ph.D. in Health and Human Services. That same year saw the publication of his book, Power vs. Force, translated into 25 languages, with over a million copies sold and evoking praise from such notables as Mother Teresa and Sam Walton. The book presents his trademarked "Map of Consciousness," now used by health professionals, university professors, government officials, and business executives worldwide. Many other books followed: The Eye of the I; I: Reality and Subjectivity; Truth vs. Falsehood; Transcending the Levels of Consciousness: The Stairway to Enlightenment; Discovery of the Presence of God: Devotional Nonduality; Reality, Spirituality and Modern Man; Healing and Recovery, Along the Path to Enlightenment; and Dissolving the Ego, Realizing the Self.

[greybeard]

"There is no 'you' that is watching and witnessing" ~ David R Hawkins

Dr Hawkins has been my main teacher for years
Chris

This segment is from the "Positionality & Duality: Transcending the Opposites" 2002 Lecture....The Way to God series
This is one of my favorite series....the 9th lecture of this particular series "Devotion" was actually the one lecture that had me head over heels in Love with Dr Hawkin's Heart.

You can grab yourself a copy of this particular lecture at the following source:

http://www.veritaspub.com/product_inf...








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww1jt7hd2gk

[Mark]

Thank you Chris and Tim for your direct responses and everybody else for sharing your experiences and thoughts.

There is so much to consider when addressing this topic but the core of it seems clear. Attend to process and let life guide the way, as Gareth pointed out. Chris's comment on drifting in and out of consciousness typifies a large part of my experience in regards to mindfulness and what amounts to making the conscious decision, in the moment, to take on some of the old personality quirks and patterns in order to appear as if one is indeed the same person. Whether this is done to put others at ease or to slowly make manifest outwardly the inner shifts in perception I would guess are dependent upon each individual. For those, like me, who are in intimate relationships and who have small children still, relating to close family remains one of the primary considerations, while, at the same time, gently expressing core truths and living according to this most intimate of spiritual experiences becomes more and more the primary expression of the publicly accessible persona.

In consideration of Tim's comments regarding the experience of Satori/Kensho/Nirvana and the inability of those who have not experienced it to be able to relate to those who have seems to be the greatest barrier. It plays out everywhere and in everything. As Gareth also said, some friends tend to drift away once they determine that there has indeed been a fundamental shift in perspective and carriage. But also, the quality of conversation and interaction shifts and other friends and even strangers seem to be able to sense this difference and make their approach at a level of intimacy usually reserved for close or long acquaintance. This is an energetic awareness, a manifestation of a 6th sense, of auras interacting. Tim's comment in regards to making certain there is no attachment to outcome when engaging in these spur-of-the-moment discussions/sessions is one that I find paramount as well.

In American culture and perhaps Western culture in general there is a stigma in regards to the idea of Guru. Or even Teachers, as they are among the lowest-paid profession in our societies. Those who may 'have' something that others do not have that can in some way place them above others at least in the minds of those observing them acts to make them social martyrs of a sort, especially in extremely materially-oriented societies. Since those who have awakened in this way know intimately they are no better than others and that what they may have is what everyone can have, the recognition and realization that openly expressing their conscious awareness can make them targets - even in the Awake and Aware community - makes it regrettably necessary for some of them, especially those who wish to continue to lead relatively 'normal' lives, to continue to cultivate a measured silence, or as the old saying goes, "the lips of Hermes are closed".

The truth cannot be hidden for long. The auric output of the awakened seems to be palpable to energetically sensitive people. They can sense each other, immediately upon field interaction. Those oppositional to this state of being some of whom also possess empathic ability also seem to possess the capacity to know who to stay away from.

I find it important to be able to share these aspects of our shared reality in the spirit of openness and communal understanding. Consciousness is an infinite scale, we are all variable outputs along it, but the fact that we all traverse it simultaneously makes it both an individual and collective endeavor. I'm happy to share consciousness and quantum entanglement, and experience, as we co-create a record of a particular form of variegated consciousness evolution as exemplified by the Terran West at a very special time and space of becoming for the entire human family.

[Zampano]

King Salomon, one of the top most wealthy people ever existed (at that time) said: "I have seen all the things that are done under the sun;
all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind." One of many translations...

King Salomon was a very rich man, I mean very rich...huge amounts of all that bling-bling stuff. I assume that he was able to buy, hmmmm a lot!!
And he bought everything money could buy...

and wasnt satisfied!

So, there are many translations from one of his popular sayings...

I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

I observed every activity done on earth. My conclusion: all of it is pointless—like chasing after the wind.

I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

What is left?

[greybeard]

Good to see all this wisdom being presented and shared with humility.
Keep it coming, you do my heart good
Chris

[Zampano]

To get to your post rakhyt...


In consideration of Tim's comments regarding the experience of Satori/Kensho/Nirvana and the inability of those who have not experienced it to be able to relate to those who have seems to be the greatest barrier. It plays out everywhere and in everything

Yes...and it happens daily, at least what I can tell from people arround me, folks that are not interested in spirituality and stuff,
are experiencing individual events, which make them thinking.

They experienced it before, but didnt put too much value to it.
Whether you call it spiritual or not...there is something in the hay

[Rich]

The auric output of the awakened seems to be palpable to energetically sensitive people. They can sense each other, immediately upon field interaction.
I don't know if that is true, would they immediately recognize each other?... I never met anyone after my spiritual awakenings or I simply wasn't aware of it!? I wonder what it would be like. (never been to any satsangs either).

I once met a master in a dream I was excited like a little kid, that man was so simple/humble yet I was awestruck.

[Mark]

Hi Zampano, the awakening events that a lot of people experience kind of follow an order.

I wrote quite a bit about it in a blog I wrote that I just posted here in support of this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58724-So-You-Think-You--re-Awakened-What-next&p=668256#post668256), rather than going the long route of laying out the entire discussion here. Awakening seems to follow after disenchantment occurs. Disenchantment with life as lived. With the daily grind, perhaps with Self and its expression in the world, maybe with family, friends, culture, politics, economics, etc. As knowledge is gained, there are two routes that one can go: on one route, some go the total cerebral path and become automatons of a sort, with a lot of knowledge of worldly realities, perhaps conspiratorial streams of reality, and get an overall sense that they are not privy to all that is truly going on. This path is marked by a lack of compassion, an intellectual detachment that sends the individual embarked upon it further down the road and even unto the esoteric place of spiritual awakening, but, because they lack compassion, it results in a dark awakening. Those who go the other way experience it in much the same order, but instead of being detached about it, they feel the compassion of the bodhisattva, their love and empathy take them to the spiritual road, but their heart-centered perception results in a light awakening instead. Two roads that are really the same roads, but perhaps you can say that they lead in different directions. There is "something in the hay", indeed. How it manifests will be different for those who bend down to smell it.

Hi EmEx, in my experience, they recognize levels of awakening in each other. It can be a meeting of the eyes or a verbal exchange, some form of connection that entangles two minds and souls in that instant in which it becomes immediately clear that there is a resonation between the two people. This is another thing that is difficult to describe, but perhaps it can be called a form of 'love at first sight', it can occur between all combinations of people. It may be as simple as an offhand comment that results in two people discovering they're both interested in conspiracies or ghosts and then going further to find out they share other interests as well, all of which are vibratory signs of a similar frequency shared in two bodies, interacting together like tuning forks.

That dream you had as a kid might have been more than that, EmEx. Do you remember more about it?

[greybeard]

The auric output of the awakened seems to be palpable to energetically sensitive people. They can sense each other, immediately upon field interaction.
I don't know if that is true, would they immediately recognize each other?... I never met anyone after my spiritual awakenings or I simply wasn't aware of it!? I wonder what it would be like. (never been to any satsangs either).

I once met a master in a dream I was excited like a little kid, that man was so simple/humble yet I was awestruck.

Hi Em Ex
Ive been lucky to meet a few enlightened beings-- they were very ordinary till they began to convey spiritual Truth.
The energy that they transmit also comes through their cds books etc.
Sometimes I find a particular post uplifting and that's it too.

Chris

[Rich]

That dream you had as a kid might have been more than that, EmEx. Do you remember more about it?

I was not a kid, I had that dream less than a year ago, not sure who it was, either way I felt I knew him.
It had the same reality as this 'here' it seemed.

How real something is always depends on where we look from doesn't it?!

[JohnEAngel]

according to Eckhart Tolle we cannot evolve or transcend without the ego. it is the challenge set before us in each life time. it is a game that we must play. we are stuck in this loop, and i respectfully say that in acknowledgement to The Source. until we do transcend our imperfect disposition we will continue on until we do.

[greybeard]

The Experience of No Self

What is this thing called "self"? Does it actually exist? In this deeply penetrating satsang on the central teaching of the Buddha, Adyashanti invites a direct investigation and experience of who we are. By recognizing our impersonal nature, we can discover the one reality that is beyond the imaginary self.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQT6FWOmkOU

[greybeard]

Adyashanti-shift of perception



Beautiful satsang about shift in perception-from mind to heart...







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRpD3-RXfoQ

[truthseekerdan]

Will share this "enlightening" documentary here with my dear friends...

Enjoy! :nod:

VmoRy7r-4Uw

[greybeard]

Thanks Dan
Wayne was a devotee of the late Ramesh Balsekar.
One day they both went to the races and never won a penny--- They both were of the opinion that enlightenment was not ll it was cracked up to be as they had not won anything.
Ramesh said another time that "If you have the choice to have a £million or enlightenment take the money as at least there is some one left to enjoy it."
At one point in time he was the President of the Bank of India.
However he loved to joke.
He was eluding to the fact that enlightenment is not a personal state as there is no individual left at the end of it.
You cant have Non duality and separate individual personages----What is left is "One without a second"
There is a unique awareness which is never lost but there is the knowing that in essence you are the same as the seeming other.
Hence Jesus advice to treat others as you would treat yourself.
Spiritualiity is full of paradox.
The enlightened say that "You are form and formless both and neither--- you are beyond definition in your true nature, which is God"

chris

[Rich]

"If you have the choice to have a £million or enlightenment take the money as at least there is some one left to enjoy it."


Dear Chris,

If you read what Masters have said that have been enlightened for 'lifetimes'
or those who have reached very high states, they talk quite differently
(of course this is based on my opinion about how high a state they have reached and you might not agree).

Enlightenment means (imo) coming close to the zero point
(when consciousness has become so subtle that it is barely noticable),
but after that we are free to experience anything.

Christ said, there are greater states of Illumination after we leave this
earth and he also said, no one can enter the void.
Only logical because if that was to happen life would cease to exist.

Ramana called it 'Ocean of Bliss'.
Nityananda said, to a devotee; all you need is inside of you in its fullness, meditate,
it is so beautiful so interesting.
Papaji said, beyond enlightenment there is Love.
Lester Levenson said to go free means not just to be free of the world, but
the freedom to do whatever you want IN the world. Furthermore he said you
will not lose anything, only gain.
Bashar said, 'I am' is the closest you can come to non-existence but you can
never not exist.
Bashar talks a lot about being yourself by following your excitement.
Jac O'Keffee said, subtle concepts are being refined after enlightenment.
Byron Katie said, even if we speak of beyond mind it is still mind
(we can contemplate what is beyond [a great meditation btw!]
but we can never know or experience what is beyond.)

All just loosely paraphrasing from memory.

The way I see it is: Enlightenment is the first step after that we creatively
and consciously create the most beautiful individual expression of the
Self/God/Source that we can come up with, which will then be based on Love.


I wanted to express a different point of view, because the idea that life is
over after enlightenment might scare people off. :)

[greybeard]

Hi EmEx
Actually I agree with you 100% as far as is possible in the dream state.
Over the life time of the thread I have said that enlightenment is Kindergarten again however the paradox is that it is a complete state.
You are Godrealised but a lesser voltage than the Creator.
Ramesh was joking in the quotes.

The moment the natural state is realised--life is seen as it really is and enjoyed to the full.
There is an enormous capacity for compassion yet there is also an awareness that the ignorance of the true state (Unenlightened Mind) is causing identification with the suffering/pain.
Ramana like Nasargadatta when dying of cancer said "There is pain" they just did not identify with it.
Because of the nature of spiritual work miss understandings occur --Dr Hawkins was perhaps the best at clearing these up, for me, being enlightened in our time and English speaking--- he was enlightened before this incarnation and had to come back as he ended up in the non existent void due to the misunderstanding of nothing as opposed to, no--thing.
As you said existing in a void is not possible--- however emptiness is filled with potential.
We are the field in which everything arises and subsides.
Enlightenment matures--- Ramana was i such a state of bliss that he was incapable of looking after himself--- Eckhart Tolle was only able to work for a brief period after the event, then--- two years spent sitting on a park bench in London.
Please keep contributing EmEx its appreciated
Best wishes Chris

Ps Tim is one who comes from the enlightened perspective /state
Please check this/thread

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

[truthseekerdan]

What is enlightenment? It depends on how one is interpreting the word and from what perspective. It really is a human mind concept that comes from two joined words; enlighten = illuminate & ment = mind. So here you have it "illuminated mind" (human mind). Many "believe" or interpret "enlightenment" as a state that one has to attain in order to achieve liberation from i.e. suffering, reincarnation, etc.

From my current understanding (perspective), enlightenment is not a "static state of existence" however, it is a state of becoming more aware (awkened) to a greater reality most of us never perceive. It has nothing to do with knowledge or intelect, nor living in an otherwordly state of being like "nirvana" having visions or supernatural experiences. It is "simply" being aware of your own multi-dimensionaly state of beign or existence, and to realize that "you create your own reality" -- based on your beliefs, thoughs, emotions and desires. That is one's true 'Universal Nature' or 'enlightenment'. You may call it by many names, but for the person who "has it", it is nothing, and it is something.


Much love and blessings

[Chester]

according to Eckhart Tolle we cannot evolve or transcend without the ego. it is the challenge set before us in each life time. it is a game that we must play. we are stuck in this loop, and i respectfully say that in acknowledgement to The Source. until we do transcend our imperfect disposition we will continue on until we do.

YES!

And I wonder... well, I can only speak for myself, but I love life and in all its experiential realms, not just this waking state, 3D reality I appear to be anchored in at this time.

I see this as a gift that only the "child" can have.

I see it as a role I play with "the unmanifest" in being the experiencer (thus conduit - thus the messenger/experiencer) that is privileged to be the "one" who sends back the info to that from which I came... that which on its own, could never experience anything.

It is known as "the mystery" and I simply love it.

[Chester]

Hi All – I sent a PM to greybeard and I received this reply –

Morning Chester
You should post what you have written here, its spot on.
The only constant is the field in which all arises and subsides--- you are That.
The emptiness is full of potential.
Real glad you are sober and here Chester.
Love Chris

so here is what I wrote to Chris



Hi Chris - I am really enjoying David R. Hawkins now.

I am so down with this "devotional non-duality" as it allows me to embrace the false reality as if it were real, but I am able to drop it like a hot potato the instant things go weird.

I see this too now... Yes, Tim {Tim Freke} has a cool view... "both / and" but I have thought more about it all... emptiness can exist all on its own, but we can never see it that way unless we are immersed in form.

Yet "form" always suggest "not form" because form cannot exist without contrast... thus for me, what is actually real, even though it can only be pointed to, is this emptiness and all else is illusory.

I find that "knowing" this... meaning when I let my "ego" melt away and I am in that strange, almost trance state... before the mind starts to think about it... before it begins to think, "wow, this is so still... so peaceful" which makes it unpeaceful at that very flicker of a thought... I realize that I am "that"... that pure unmanifest... and that’s all I actually know (and all I actually can know).

That is REAL but I also destroy the realness the moment I think that thought or say or write those words.

I think this is really starting to sink in because of the evidence - that evidence being that my life has become consistently peaceful.

Sure glad you are here (and sober) and I am sure glad I am sober and here.

Take Care
Chester

[Mark]

Hi, EmEx:


Christ said, there are greater states of Illumination after we leave this
earth and he also said, no one can enter the void.
Only logical because if that was to happen life would cease to exist.

This paraphrase caught my attention. The Hermetists say that void is the ALL, they also call it LIVING MIND to encompass the two aspects which typify experience, life and consciousness.

"No one" can enter the void because the little "one" is submerged within the Big "One". Sense of self disappears. For those who experience non-abiding awareness, who do experience the voidness, their life remains, but while they are there, their sense of self dissipates and only returns by degrees once their consciousness re-enters the body.


I wanted to express a different point of view, because the idea that life is
over after enlightenment might scare people off. :)

People should enjoy their lives. This path should not be embarked upon until one is ready. If there is still life to enjoy, if you still want to go out and party, visit all parts of the world in the flesh, enjoy the delights of culinary dishes and revel in the senses, to include the emotions and all that entails, then perhaps it is not time yet to pursue non-abiding awareness. Once the experiences that reveal the true nature of reality occur, there is no going back. All of those things can still be experienced, but the way the experience is processed is different. Qualitatively, there remains no "one" defined in a purely worldly, sensate manner, to continue to enjoy them.

With that said, for some people, it happens due to past life progression. They come here ready from an early age. For those folks, they may go through the motions but always stand apart in observational mode, aware that they are not experiencing the same immersion within pleasure that others are. For them, the non-abiding awareness and events and the sidhis appear early but without cultural reference here in the West, they do not know why they are experiencing things others do not.


And I wonder... well, I can only speak for myself, but I love life and in all its experiential realms, not just this waking state, 3D reality I appear to be anchored in at this time.

I see this as a gift that only the "child" can have.

The innocence of a child. Yes. Jesus spoke of that also. The only way to enter the Kingdom of God. Children accept life as it is presented to them in each instant. They live more in the Now moment than most of us do until they are weighed down by the burden of culture, taught by family, friends and society. Being able to regain that trust that everything is ok always and look at things as if they are new again is an act of freedom. A clarity that emanates, radiates from those who live it. Peace, joy, contentedness whatever the circumstances.

[Chester]

Hi Greybeard, I am amenable to spending time in this thread and interacting on this topic with folks.

One thing that I have been wondering about are others experiences in Awakening.

I'm not talking about political or conspiratorial awakening, but instead, the Awakening described by the Ancients and Mystics. The awakening of spirit.

What I have found to be quite disconcerting and unexpected is the way that others in your life interact with you once you've had an experience that marks a clear before/after point in your life. These are some the characteristics I have noted:

1) They act as if nothing has happened.

2) They get angry.

3) They do not believe you.

4) They continue to act as if you are the same as you were before even if your energy, personality and bearing is markedly different.

In all of the old societies when someone would awaken to the extent that they were no longer the same person they were before, they would always leave. They always spent time in the Desert or the Forest, their shift in behavior and focus was done during a period of aloneness, time away from others. Therefore, when they returned to the space of community, they were fully ensconced within their new personality matrix and were able to make a clear distinction between who they were before and who they had then become.

And yet, there are the numerous tales in the Buddhist tradition where Awakening would occur to numerous people, sometimes individually, sometimes in pairs or trios, other times in the hundreds, or the thousands. But there are no tales about how they dealt with the Awakening experience and reconciled it with the lives they lead thereafter.

I have come to conclusions and also have developed strategies in dealing with this but would love to hear other people's accounts, if there are still any around the forum who have experienced Kensho/Satori events.

Bless.

It seems to me that in most cases of awakening, there might not be a solid line one crosses where one is full blown (stark raving) awakened. So, in retrospect, I can see how, once I discovered the depths of the mystery and had moved past the initial pink cloud stage... new doubt started to creep in. So yes, I found I experienced much of #2, was resentful a bit that I experienced #1, realized #3 was because I expected them to believe my words that I am this amazing new man (instead of allowing my supposed newly transformed being to be the thing "speaking") and #4 because I had to accept that in truth, I had not actually (fully) awakened.

Instead I had tasted awakening and indeed it had a profound initial effect, but only now can I see that there is a great deal of continuous work needed to anchor consistently this Higher Self.

If I had to rate what stage of full blown, completely transformational awakening I am at on a scale of 1 to 10, I would say I am around level 2.

But to be at level 2 in a world where 99.9% of the rest are either asleep or at level 1... and that even though there are folks who are subconsciously at a much higher level, until one connects the conscious with the subconscious so they can have the types of conversations we are having in this thread I place them in the "asleep" category, then to be at level 2 is quite amazing.

I find getting past those 4 frustrations to be so freaking amazing as I seem to be founded by a peace that knows deep, deep down... every spirit has their moment and the time keeper is not me.

Another thing I found that helps a lot is (again another wisdom I learned via AA) - "Keep it Simple (stupid)." The "stupid" part works well for me as I have, for most of my life, thought I knew it all or at least could know it all... but as we know, that rabbit hole goes quite deep... probably eternally deep.

and as to the innocence of a child - right on bro. I might add that at this level 2 stage of my own awakening, I am beginning to see how others who are awakening so often reach places of comfort in their exploration and then, quite innocently, think that their experiential paradigm is the one and only. I am beginning to see those folks as children and that my ability to allow, honor and support their exploration is perhaps showing signs of true, spiritual maturity. Of course, the minute I say that... my ego says (hahaha - "Got ya right where I want ya, boy") and I fall back down again.

[greybeard]

Thanks Chester for the sharing.
My awakening started with getting over the horrors of alcoholism (suicidal and delirium tremors included) through AA.
The late Dr David Hawkins who had a close relationship with Bill W said "If you want to make fast spiritual progress become an alcoholic and join AA"

Bill W had a full spiritual awakening---- It is the spiritual energy of unconditional love that gets through to hardened alcoholics.

The basic ingredients for recovery are, that, you are helpless over this illness, you need help, you must ask for it and surrender is ongoing.
The ego--strong will is the downfall--- strong willpower just does not work on this one.

A heart felt prayer for all still suffering alcoholics --- you don’t have to ---go to an AA meeting.
Im not often in your face-- but on this --that’s the way it is.

Chris

[Rich]

Is something going on or is it just me?

[greybeard]

What do you feel is happening with you EmEx?

Regards Chris

[Rich]

Lots of Bliss lately. Thought maybe something is happening globally or collectively, but maybe just me because I meditated more lately.

The other day I was in town and people were angels and glowing.

[greybeard]

Hi EmEx thanks for sharing your experience.
I certainly would not in anyway minimise what happened with you.
Dr Hawkins said we would have a change of perception and that seems to be what you are having.
There is a thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53342-This-Energy-is-Intense-&p=602255&viewfull=1#post602255
where a quite lot of people share their experiences.

Chris

[Rich]

Thanks Chris, I am touched by your kindness!

to clarify:

What I meant was, if there is new energy coming in that we here seem to experience, the spiritual threads seem to be buzzing with energy.

It's hard to say; like when I had an awakening... my family seemed kinder and more understanding, I didn't know whether they had changed or I was simply seeing them more for their true being, probably some of both.

Of course the individual experience is different, but when I read this thread it looks like many of us experience something.

[greybeard]

Does God Control Our Lives?

Spiritual Author Nanci Danison's
BACKWARDS Glimpse
© 2013

Nanci Danison news letter

I recently read a near-death experience book that portrayed the author's life as a series of events directed and controlled by God--a traditional religious belief. That got me thinking about how seeing the same events from a different perspective can make a world of difference. It can literally turn a victim into a powerful spiritual force.



Many of us believe that God micromanages our daily lives. God decides what good events we will experience and punishes us for transgressions or omissions with bad events. This viewpoint is chock full of beliefs that we are cut off from our Creator, isolated, controlled by a being outside ourselves, and powerless to change our lives because they are dictated by someone else. In essence, we are victims of God's whim. While in the afterlife, I learned that such beliefs are the result of human fear and superstition. And they can be corrected through enlightenment.



The "knowings" I received while living in the afterlife taught me a new model of our relationship with our Creator. I was shown that Source is an all-loving, and not controlling, immense intelligent energy field with emotions, imagination, and life of its own. Source has an innate personality or set of character traits that are immutable and constitute its "core" consciousness. In addition, Source has created within its own mind all of the personalities/characters that we call "souls." We are those souls within Source's mind; we are parts of Source. And we have been given complete free will to pick and choose the events of the physical lives of the creatures we inhabit. We either allow the host body to lead its animal life with us just going along for the ride, or, we manifest into physical reality what we truly and deeply believe about human life and ourselves within it.



So, because we are parts of Source's mind, and we have the ability to control the actions and lives of the human hosts we inhabit (whether we exercise it or not), Source in a very limited sense does control human lives through us. The difference between this model of life, and the religious model, is who has the power. In the religious model, God is all powerful and we are powerless. The religious model assumes that the core consciousness of Source directs and controls everything in the physical world. In the model I was given in the afterlife, we ARE parts of God and are therefore powerful spiritual forces ourselves. We direct and control our own lives as Source.



Thank you for being open to the messages I have returned from the afterlife to share.



Nanci


Nanci L. Danison, JD, afterlife experiencer, attorney, and author of BACKWARDS: Returning to Our Source for Answers, BACKWARDS Guidebook, BACKWARDS Beliefs: Revealing Eternal Truths Hidden in Religions, and the Light Answers to Tough Questions series of CDs and DVDs (A.P. Lee & Co., Ltd., Publishers). Visit me at www.BackwardsBooks.com or watch me on YouTube.

Subscribe to this newsletter at www.BackwardsBooks.com.

[skippy]

Following a video from the French-Jewish philosopher, Emmanuel Levinas (1906-1995). In this video Levinas is posing questions on (the ambition to attain) the state of beingness from a self-interested, self-centered point of view. As an alternative, he's discussing the accomplishment of "dis-interestedness" as an alternative state of being human.

-1MtMzXNGbs

[greybeard]

Hi Skippy
Im happy for you and anyone else to post videos in any language, particularly if they have English sub titles (for my benefit)

Spirituality knows no boundaries, in fact one of the differences between religion and spirituality, is that with spirituality, there might be difference of opinions but not to the point of being out right divisive. Religion tends to be decisive, WE GOT IT RIGHT the rest are wrong to varying degrees.

Chris

[greybeard]

Gregg Braden - The Deepest Truth of Our Existence - Interviewed by Nathan Crane


Gregg Braden shares his wisdom on the new world that is emerging and how our current existence is directly related to the future of the planet.

Nathan Crane interviews Gregg Braden about his transformational book Deep Truth, Igniting the Memory of Our Origin, History, Destiny, and Fate on Conscious Intuitive Living.

Nathan Crane is a personal growth teacher and author and founder of The Panacea Community, an organization dedicated to spreading consciousness around the planet.

Nathan Crane http://www.nathancrane.com

The Panacea Community http://www.thepanaceacommunity.com







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57TYlz1Qpc

[greybeard]

We Are The Creators Of The Universe


Outstanding video which depicts that consciousness is what drives and shapes everything. This means ultimately everything in the universe and that even matter is consciousness in the most subtlest and dense form.

This video has Grant Morrisson, David Lynch, David Icke, Gregg Braden, Michael Talbot, David Wilcock, Wayne Dyer, Neil Kramer and Bill Hicks in it.

Like us @ www.facebook.com/EducateInspireChange







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP7XALC_V6c

[truthseekerdan]

We Are The Creators Of The Universe



The issue is that the Universe does not even exist the way most believe...

Remember this, " that thought is real -- everything else is an illusion".

vnvM_YAwX4I

[greybeard]

Not The Wind, Not The Flag

Two monks were watching a flag flapping in the wind.
One said to the other, "The flag is moving."
The other replied, "The wind is moving."

Huineng overheard this. He said, "Not the flag, not the wind; mind is moving."

Of the two monks, Wumen says they were trying to buy iron; Huineng, out of compassion, gave them gold instead.
This kōan demonstrates the realization that in naming an object one may cloud one's understanding of the true nature
of mind by falling into externalization and believing that the true nature of the flag, the wind, and the mind are different.
Hui Neng always taught the One Vehicle Buddhism of One Mind which teaches that wisdom (Sanskrit: prajna) comes
from the Essence of Mind and not from an exterior source.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateless_Gate


Thanks to Tim for sharing this

[truthseekerdan]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420871_515324651846823_1760616828_n.jpg

VmoRy7r-4Uw

[greybeard]

The Film based on the life of Dannion Brinkley Near Death Experiencer
Its very well acted and got critical acclaim.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77lc0yasjYc

[greybeard]

Nassim is proving that all is interconnected,science is catching up with spirituality.
The secret is in the so called empty space.
In my words--that's where ultimate potential lives.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn35qoCjLYA&feature=player_embedded

[Rich]

The secret is in the so called empty space.
In my words--that's where ultimate potential lives.
An effective meditation [I find] is withdrawing ALL attention that is also pretty empty :p
(no experience) but as you said (Chris) 'emptiness holds potential'.
Thoughts seem to manifest fast when the ''controller/ego'' takes a back seat,
hmm some of my observations but I still have doubts.

[greybeard]

Nassim Haramein ; New Era of Space & Time Travel

Nassim Haramein has spent years researching the geometry of hyperspace, theoretical physics, cosmology, chemistry, as well as anthropology and ancient civilizations. He presented his concept about the structure of space & time, and suggested that if it was fully utilized, it could usher in a new era of space and time travel. The vacuum between atoms is not empty, but is a fluctuating energy that is the source of everything, and has discrete, quantifiable elements that could be thought of as very tiny pixels, he explained. These fluctuations are all around us, permeating everything, and organized into vortices of different sizes, he continued.

Fusing macro and micro-systems, Haramein studied fundamental aspects of these pixels, and found them to be part of a holographic universe, in which each point represents the entire system. Further, the tiny pixels in one proton represent the mass of the universe, and the relationship of the pixels inside the proton to those outside the proton yield a solution to gravity, which can be applied to an object of any size, he said. Such findings in quantum gravity "would give us the information necessary to start being able to engineer very advanced drive propulsion systems that could bring us to the stars literally," he declared.

The pixels could be considered little capsules of information, and you could think of time "as the memory of the structure of the vacuum," as things move through the vacuum, he noted. "In fact, this model may actually predict that memory is not a function of the brain directly but is a function of the brain accessing the information in the vacuum-- so the brain is like a radio," and if this held true, a person might be able to displace themselves anywhere in the universe, or access any time period, he suggested. "It opens doors that we can't even fathom today," Haramein commented, adding that he believes we're extremely close to a complete transformation in our energy production, transportation, and control of gravity.

Biography:

Nassim Haramein has spent most of his life researching the geometry of hyperspace, theoretical physics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, biology, chemistry as wells as anthropology and ancient civilizations. Combining this knowledge with a keen observation of the behavior of nature, he discovered a specific geometric array that he found to be fundamental to creation, and the foundation for his Unified Field Theory emerged. Mr. Haramein founded a non-profit organization, the Resonance Project Foundation, where, as the Director of Research, he continues exploring unification principles and their implications in our world today.







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0F1V3U54Mc

[greybeard]

BBC Horizon 2011 What is Reality

There is a strange and mysterious world that surrounds us, a world largely hidden from our senses. The quest to explain the true nature of reality is one of the great scientific detective stories.
Clues have been pieced together from deep within the atom, from the event horizon of black holes, and from the far reaches of the cosmos. It may be that that we are part of a cosmic hologram, projected from the edge of the universe. Or that we exist in an infinity of parallel worlds. Your reality may never look quite the same again.



http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkvoa0_bbc-horizon-2011-what-is-reality-hdtv_tech#.UZqG7M70E6u


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkvoa0_bbc-horizon-2011-what-is-reality-hdtv_tech#.UZqG7M70E6u

[greybeard]

A good site for Dr Hawkins teachings and others.


http://de.spiritualwiki.org/Hawkins/Teachings

[greybeard]

Tim Freke - Stepping into the mystery experience of life - recorded in Glastonbury UK
Lilous Juicy Living Tour


Timothy Freke (born 1959) is a British author of books on religion and mysticism.[1] [2] Freke is perhaps best known for his books, co-authored with Peter Gandy, which advocate a Gnostic understanding of early Christianity and the Christ myth theory,[3] including The Jesus Mysteries: Was the "Original Jesus" a Pagan God? and The Laughing Jesus: Religious Lies and Gnostic Wisdom.

Tim is the standup philosopher -- a concept he developed from the ancient idea of a philosopher as a travelling 'spiritual entertainer' who transformed people's consciousness. He is pioneering an accessible new way to experience a profound spiritual awakening, which fully embraces our tender, vulnerable, flawed humanity. He has spent his life exploring the awakened state he often simply calls the 'mystery experience' and is able to guide others directly to it.

In his latest book, The Mystery Experience, Tim presents a revolutionary approach to spirituality. He creates a new language of awakening, which makes profound ideas simpler to understand, so it's easier to experience a real transformation of consciousness. During his Mystery Experience Retreats he personally guides participants directly to the deep awake state.

http://www.themysteryexperience.com

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nejlthea-rM

[greybeard]

Awakening from the illusion of me.
One of our finest spiritual teacher Adyashanti on 6 discs available if you look at this one on utube

Its just a question of what do you really want?
What is the most important thing in you life?

These talks are brilliant.

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPG4MMkkb9U

[greybeard]

GCI May 2013 Full Moon Synchronized Care Focus

http://www.glcoherence.org/templates/gcp/e-mail/e-broadcast/care-focus/2013/may/gci-synchronized-full-moon-2013-05-online.php?mtcCampaign=-1&mtcEmail=156261627



Welcome to the Global Coherence Initiative’s May 25, 2013 Full Moon (04:25 GMT/UTC) synchronized Care Focus. Thank you for being with us. In order for GCI members around the world to participate at a convenient time, we have chosen 4 a.m., 12:00 p.m. (noon), and 8 p.m. Pacific Time (GMT/UTC minus 7 hours ) when GCI members in the Global Care Room can do the Care Focus together.* (The following website – www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html – is a time conversion site for determining the exact time the Care Focus will take place in your Local Time Zone. Select time: 8 p.m. (date optional). Convert from: Location: U.S.A. – California – San Francisco. Convert to: Location: Select your Country/City.)

Let’s start by connecting in the heart with everyone participating in the Global Care Room and radiating love and appreciation to each other.

Global effects from solar flares, terrorism, ecological and climate issues, systemic breakdowns, increased overwhelm, anxiety and more – these obvious symptoms of the Shift have accelerated and this calls for more compassion and care, along with holding a higher vibration that helps to reduce the fear that can accompany the intensity of change and uncertainty.

Research has shown that alpha brain waves synchronize to the heart’s coherent rhythm, enabling us to maintain balanced perspectives and inner stability through challenges. Collectively radiating heart coherence helps to create an easier transition through the ongoing Earth changes and their effects on humanity’s energetic fields. Though coherent love can be helpful beyond understanding, we’ve already seen that there are certain planetary changes and situations that we can’t change and have to adjust to. That’s always been so – it’s just more intensified through this transitional period. This is where compassion is especially helpful for supporting and comforting the individual and collective humanity through these changes.

Also, practicing coherence helps to align us with our heart’s intuitive intelligence for guidance and solutions to personal and global challenges. We are all connected through the heart, as well as through the internet and social media. With collective, heart-focused care, we can ease some of the hardships of these changes and help each other adjust to the situations that we can’t change. These intensities won’t last forever, but we can move through them more gracefully if we don’t put a timer on them.

Care Focus – Coherent Love and Compassion

Relax and breathe in love and appreciation for a few minutes to increase your heart coherence.
Now see yourself connected in the heart with Global Coherence Initiative participants and all caring beings, while aligning with the increased love and compassion that’s radiating from universal source through this full moon period.
From a place of inner-stillness, see and feel this coherent love and compassion streaming like sunshine throughout the consciousness of humanity.
Now direct the focus of love and compassion to the highly stressed areas on the planet that you are aware of, connected with, or to wherever your heart guides you.
Close by seeing and feeling the increase of our hearts’ collective and personal intuitive guidance for meeting our challenges effectively while moving into the next vibration of consciousness, peace and the space "to breathe out."

Please note: We just finished writing this Care Focus when we were informed that one of the strongest tornadoes ever to strike the United States just hit near Oklahoma City with winds over 200 mph giving it a preliminary F5 rating – on the scale that measures tornado intensities. Since it just has happened, we don’t know the full extent of the damage, but let’s also direct our love and compassion to the people caught in this disaster.

After 15 minutes

You can continue to do the Care Focus in the Global Care Room, if convenient, after the full moon period, as this will help raise the vibratory rate of the personal and collective field environment.

Thank you for your participation in this Care Focus.

The GCI Steering Committee and Staff
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[Rich]

I once told a friend (to make it more clear to me as well)(don't remember the exact words):
''When you were a child you saw that you were a child, and now you are grown up you see that you are an adult.
Therefore you cannot be the body but that which sees its development.'' He thought for a second and said: ''That's true actually''.

[greybeard]

I once told a friend (to make it more clear to me as well)(don't remember the exact words):
''When you were a child you saw that you were a child, and now you are grown up you see that you are an adult.
Therefore you cannot be the body but that which sees its development.'' He thought for a second and said: ''That's true actually''.


Simply brilliant EmEx

[greybeard]

Dr. Eben Alexander Shares What God Looks Like - Super Soul Sunday - Oprah
Former skeptic Dr. Eben Alexander says he saw God during his near-death experience. Watch as he describes the experience—and reveals what God looks like.

The introduction that he saw God is misleading---he saw God as Totality--- that is there is no place that God is not.
God is everything.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQH_X1JByks

[giovonni]

Dr. Eben Alexander Shares What God Looks Like - Super Soul Sunday - Oprah
Former skeptic Dr. Eben Alexander says he saw God during his near-death experience. Watch as he describes the experience—and reveals what God looks like.

The introduction that he saw God is misleading---he saw God as Totality--- that is there is no place that God is not.
God is everything.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQH_X1JByks

thanks Chris ...

even on this forum ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00136-giggle.gif

[greybeard]

Mindfulness proven as effective at treating depression as medication

Mindfulness proven as effective at treating depression as medication
Via naturalnews.com, 29 May 2013 - People who suffer from symptoms of depression have yet another way to deal with it that does not involve taking dangerous antidepressant drugs. A new study published in the journal Archives of General Psychiatry has found that practicing mindfulness, a meditative routine that involves focusing on the present and relishing the moment, is at the very least just as effective as antidepressants when it comes to alleviating depression symptoms - and mindfulness causes no harmful side effects!

mindfulness

Specifically those in remission from depression are said to benefit from the alternative therapy, which can be achieved in as little as 30 minutes a day. Participants who learned how to practice mindfulness on their own, and who faithfully did it every day in conjunction with regular meetings with a therapist, were found to benefit just as much as, if not more than, those who took antidepressants in accordance with the conventional model.

Because of the immense dangers associated with antidepressants, which include suicidal and homicidal tendencies, not to mention worse depression symptoms, many people are now shying away from taking them. According to the latest statistics, nearly half of all people who come out of depression do not end up taking their prescribed antidepressants, many out of concern that they will further damage their health by doing so. A better option, it appears, is to naturally release the trapped emotional energy that keeps many people enslaved to depression by utilizing mindfulness therapy.

"It's kind of like going to the gym and working a muscle, except in this case you're not working a muscle in your body, you're working the muscles in your brain that help you understand and control your emotions," says Zindel Segal from the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, Ontario, about the benefits of mindfulness therapy.

Mindfulness therapy can also alleviate anxiety, chronic pain

A similar study recently published in the journal Frontiers in Human Neuroscience found that mindfulness therapy can also benefit those who suffer from mild depression symptoms, frequent and infrequent anxiety, and even chronic pain. As it turns out, certain unhealthy patterns of thinking have been shown in neuroimaging scans to actually fuel the brain activity associated with depression and even pain, which means new ways of thinking have the potential to undo these patterns in a positive way.

"Mindfulness Therapy is, in some ways, like a cat-and-mouse game in which you develop the finely tuned attention of a cat, forever watchful and patient, as it sits in front of a mouse hole, waiting for its prey to emerge," explains Dr. Peter Strong, Ph.D., in a piece for Psychology Today. "In our case the prey are not mice, but the countless negative thoughts and emotional reactions that emerge from the shadows of our conditioned mind."

Though it admittedly takes more time out of each day to effectively employ the benefits of mindfulness therapy as opposed to popping an antidepressant, the benefits of the treatment and the avoidance of side effects are well worth it, say its advocates. And the good news is that it is becoming easier to learn and engage in mindfulness therapy as online resources are increasingly able to deliver its benefits without the need to visit a therapist in person.

Sources for this article include:

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com
http://www.guardian.co.uk
http://www.psychologytoday.com


I got this from http://www.transients.info/

It is a very good daily ongoing resource.

Chris

[greybeard]

Solar Revolution is an enlightening and award-winning movie that explores the remarkable correlation between escalations in solar activity and human achievement.

World-renowned German biophysicist Dieter Broers and distinguished scientists and experts present compelling evidence of a stunning correlation between escalations in solar activity and human achievements. See what Global Coherence Initiative (GCI) Research Coordinator and Institute of HeartMath (IHM) Director of Research Dr. Rollin McCraty, featured in Solar Revolution, say about the shift in global consciousness and the heart’s critical role.



http://www.glcoherence.org/templates/gcp/email/e-broadcast/2013/scientist/scientist-online.php?mtcCampaign=-1&mtcEmail=156261627

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Global Coherence Initiative

Our Shared Purpose

From the start, everyone at the Global Coherence Initiative and Institute of HeartMath has maintained a shared purpose: raise people’s coherence and consciousness; improve their lives; and create a planet where individuals and families can live peacefully and happily and realize their dreams.

Our shared purpose and commitment have led to exciting discoveries, humbling achievements and a desire to strive for more.
Rigorous scientific studies show greater interconnectedness of things than commonly believed. Intuition is accessible to everyone via sincere expression of qualities of the heart.
Our intuition motivates us to be kind, caring and responsible, for each other and the planet.

trailer


http://www.glcoherence.org/adopt-a-scientist.html?mtcCampaign=-1&mtcEmail=156261627#solar-revolution-trailer

[Napping]

Hi Chris,

In acknowledgement that there are many ways to skin a cat when it comes to practicing mindfulness 101, what is an effective technique/practice that an ill disciplined depressed/anxious novice like me can do for 30min on a daily basis?

I've been on anti depressants in the past and benefited enormously, but have never wanted to rely on them and thus have been without them for several years. In general, I've coped, but far too often I find myself trapped in thoughts of fear, envy/jealousy and a relentless anxiety that can spike nastily, particularly under stress.

Cheers,

Napping

[greybeard]

Hi Chris,

In acknowledgement that there are many ways to skin a cat when it comes to practicing mindfulness 101, what is an effective technique/practice that an ill disciplined depressed/anxious novice like me can do for 30min on a daily basis?

I've been on anti depressants in the past and benefited enormously, but have never wanted to rely on them and thus have been without them for several years. In general, I've coped, but far too often I find myself trapped in thoughts of fear, envy/jealousy and a relentless anxiety that can spike nastily, particularly under stress.

Cheers,

Napping

Thanks for sharing Napping, that takes some courage at times.

What worked for me I got out of Eckhart Tolle "Power of Now"

I went into the nearby park which had a pond with ducks and swans.
I allowed myself to be totally absorbed in watching one duck or swan at a time without any comment in the head. It took a little practise but only a few days really. Then when I meditated I watched/felt the breath coming in and out at first then just allowed what ever came up to come up without entering into internal dialogue---then I started pulling the mindback to silence if there was an urge to talk to myself. One voice I could control--mine---thoughts were not mine they just arrived without permission. So I just let them be--I did not energise them by trying to push them away--just focused on the quiet part of mind or breathing.
Now the mind is virtually silent ---no need to buy into or interact with any thought or situation.

If I can do this so can you Napping
I had a very stressful life and several time ulcers flared up/burst and led to me being hospitalised.
My mind is now peaceful even though life can bring challenges.
I dont wander into past and future except when essential- I stay in the moment.
Love Chris

[greybeard]

Bruce Lipton and Tom Campbell Summit


Chuck and Karen Robison bring you Bruce Lipton and Tom Campbell in an unprecedented interview of historic importance. These well known highly credentialed scientists will leave you with hope for the potential of positive evolution for the human race through science with Love at it's core.

www,whatifitreallyworks.com On June 26, 2012, in association with MBT Events, we took Tom and Pamela Campbell to the home of Bruce and Margaret Lipton for an historic discussion between these two giants of New Science. Bruce Lipton is an Epigenetic Biologist and Tom Campbell is a NASA Physicist and each has stepped outside the box of their respective disciplines to bring to us what we believe will be the future where Biology and Physics share the same concepts and understandings and will bring us much closer to a unified scientific interaction with our whole cosmos.

http://vimeo.com/whatifitreallyworks/...
http://www.whatifitreallyworks.com
http://www.mybigTOE.com Tom Campbell
http://www.brucelipton.com
http://www.mbtevents.com

Music by "Bolex, Hans-Sheik And Sultan", sound recording administered by:
APM Music obtained from iMovie royalty free.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eujDxDpISXw



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9VnZL5Jm8k

[Delight]

Solar Revolution is an enlightening and award-winning movie that explores the remarkable correlation between escalations in solar activity and human achievement.

World-renowned German biophysicist Dieter Broers and distinguished scientists and experts present compelling evidence of a stunning correlation between escalations in solar activity and human achievements. See what Global Coherence Initiative (GCI) Research Coordinator and Institute of HeartMath (IHM) Director of Research Dr. Rollin McCraty, featured in Solar Revolution, say about the shift in global consciousness and the heart’s critical role.



http://www.glcoherence.org/templates/gcp/email/e-broadcast/2013/scientist/scientist-online.php?mtcCampaign=-1&mtcEmail=156261627


I already ordered the documentary on amazon.
here it is on youtube. I think this is very well done.

VPn1SW6t6Bk

[greybeard]

Thank you very much Delight
I really appreciate that
Chris

[greybeard]

David R. Hawkins - A Lesson On The Heart, Dedication,The World & More

In looking at the Map of Consciousness, we can track what happened. The snake would have instantly sensed the fear, which has a negative energy field, along with my anger and desire to strike at it. However, his responses through his energy system were so fast that the strike would have happened before I could have moved my shin out of the way. Instead, because of the severe threat of the circumstances, I really, really let go. Did I ever! I moved right through the willingness to let go, right through the acceptance, love, and joy, and right into a state of profound peace. If we calibrate the energy field of that experience, it started out at 100, but almost instantly, it moved up to 600. Then a Presence prevailed—an Infinite, profoundly still Presence whose essential nature is one of peace, whose power is infinite—that controlled the whole experience. Thus, both the snake and I transcended fear, and we moved to a timeless silence. The snake was as though enchanted. We looked at each for minutes, and I was reluctant to break the spell by leaving. The snake then slithered away and never rattled its tail. This is valuable because it illustrates the falsity of another one of the mind's belief systems that we have to learn to release, which is the idea that fear is the source of our safety. We will notice that the mind seems to worship fear as though it is some kind of a demigod. The mind has a program that says, "The reason I'm alive is due to my fears. I am alive because I allow fear to decide what I am going to do." A little introspection will show that this belief system is going on. A person says, "Well, if I wasn't afraid of being poor in my old age, I wouldn't get insurance. If I wasn't afraid of an automobile accident, I wouldn't drive safely." So the person begins to ascribe the source of their aliveness, the source of their life, to fear, which is the god of their life. They really begin to worship fear. We can see from the above example that just the opposite is true. What insures our survival is the absence of fear and its replacement by caution and realistic common sense. We have managed to survive in spite of our fears, not because of them. We can make decisions based on rational choice, on our knowledge, and on value coming from the beingness of that which we really are without fear entering the picture at all. All day long we make decisions based just on our awareness of reality, with no fear particularly involved. Fear is not necessary. There is the idea that fear is good for us, that it is beneficial and has all kinds of hidden, mysterious values. People will look back and rationalize how fear got them to do this and do that, and all I can say is, "Too bad." Too bad they did not do it out of love for themselves or for their fellow human beings. Too bad that they did not do it out of love for life itself, love for their own aliveness, and love for their body. Why not do things for our body out of love for it instead of out of fear of the consequences? Why not keep it healthy and happy because we love and value it, not because we are afraid of a heart attack or something else?

Hawkins M.D. Ph.D., David . Healing and Recovery


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF4jdr-tyRI

[greybeard]

Ramana--What is having this thought?
(not his voice but his teaching)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epWYcYHj07A

[greybeard]

Sri Ramana Maharshi ◦ Abide as the Self ◦ Full Movie

Ram Dass speaks of Ramana.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdtruuWEaA

[greybeard]

Bruce Lipton, Ph.D - Revolution of the Evolution & Emergence of Cultural Creatives

An exciting talk

Dr Bruce Lipton interview by Lilou Mace http://www.facebook.com/liloumacewebTV recorded under the rain and sun in Honolulu Hawaii at the Quantum Medicine Congress

Bruce H. Lipton, PhD is an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. Stem cell biologist, bestselling author of The Biology of Belief and recipient of the 2009 Goi Peace Award, he has been a guest speaker on hundreds of TV and radio shows, as well as keynote presenter for national and international conferences.
In 1982, Dr. Lipton began examining the principles of quantum physics and how they might be integrated into his understanding of the cell's information processing systems. He produced breakthrough studies on the cell membrane, which revealed that this outer layer of the cell was an organic homologue of a computer chip, the cell's equivalent of a brain. His research at Stanford University's School of Medicine, between 1987 and 1992, revealed that the environment, operating though the membrane, controlled the behavior and physiology of the cell, turning genes on and off. His discoveries, which ran counter to the established scientific view that life is controlled by the genes, presaged one of today's most important fields of study, the science of epigenetics. Two major scientific publications derived from these studies defined the molecular pathways connecting the mind and body. Many subsequent papers by other researchers have since validated his concepts and ideas.

Dr. Lipton's novel scientific approach transformed his personal life as well. His deepened understanding of cell biology highlighted the mechanisms by which the mind controls bodily functions, and implied the existence of an immortal spirit. He applied this science to his personal biology, and discovered that his physical well-being improved, and the quality and character of his daily life was greatly enhanced.
http://www.brucelipton.com/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y46XtnZTFAU

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A.H. Almaas - A.H Almaas - 'Endless Enlightenment' - Interview by Iain McNay
A.H. Almaas is the pen name of Hameed Ali, who is the creator of the Diamond Approach to Self Realization. The Diamond Approach is a contemporary teaching that developed within the context of awareness of both ancient spiritual teachings and modern depth psychological theories. He has authored several books about spiritual realization, including The Diamond Heart Series, The Pearl Beyond Price, The Void, The Unfolding Now and The Point of Existence. He founded the Ridhwan School, an inner work school devoted to the realization of True Nature. The goal (orientation) of the school is directed toward helping students to become aware of and embodying their 'essence' or essential nature. In this interview he talks about his life, his experiences, and how he feels 'Enlightenment' is never ending.

Emilie Conrad - 'Continuum: My Story' - Interview by Renate McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 03 June 2013) [watch this programme]
Healing C - Emilie Conrad - 'Continuum: My Story' - Interview by Renate McNay
Emilie Conrad is the founder of "Continuum" and the author of 'Life on Land - The Story of Continuum.' In this interview she talk about her traumatizing Brooklyn childhood and discovery of Dance with the psychic and physical collapse that led to the development of Continuum and to her ground-breaking movement and self-realization technique.

Karen Johnson - 'The ALIVENESS of Presence' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 03 June 2013) [watch this programme]
Transformations - Karen Johnson - 'The ALIVENESS of Presence' - Interview by Iain McNay
Karen is a co-founder of The Ridhwan School/Diamond Approach with A.H. Almaas (Hameed Ali). She talks about her life, her meeting with Almaas and how their friendship lead to the creation and the on-going development of the school. She also shares her own remarkable expression of presence in its many manifestations.

Lothar Schafer - 'The Infinite Potential of Quantum Physics' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 03 June 2013) [watch this programme]
Science - Lothar Schafer - 'The Infinite Potential of Quantum Physics' - Interview by Iain McNay
Author of 'Infinite Potential' and 'In Search of Divine Reality' talks about 'What Quantum Physics reveals about how we should live our lives.' Retired Professor of chemistry he spent a large part of his life in a laboratory looking at quantum-chemical computations and electron diffraction studies of molecular structures. He says, "You need to first understand the order of the universe and your place in it - you can't find happiness in your personal life if you are not living in harmony with the universe. The constituents of real things are found not to be real - these findings show that the quantum phenomena make it possible to establish a new covenant between the human mind and the mind-like background of the universe - one that provides a home again to the homeless and meaning to seemingly pointless life. The universe must be assumed to have a moral as well as a physical order, and facts and values derive again from a single source."

Pim Van Lommel - 'Consciousness and The Near Death Experience' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 02 June 2013) [watch this programme]
Other - Pim Van Lommel - 'Consciousness and The Near Death Experience' - Interview by Iain McNay
Pim worked as a cardiologist in the Netherlands and in 1986 became interested in near-death experiences in patients who survived a cardiac arrest. In 2007 he published his book 'Endless Consciousness: a scientific approach to the near-death experience.' He looks in detail into what actually happens in people's experiences during a NDE, and how it can dramatically change their lives. It raises such fundamental questions as: 'Where is Consciousness located?' 'What Happens when we die' 'Who am I?'

James David Parker - 'The Magic Of Philosophical Illusion'Under Consciousness - (loaded 31 May 2013) [watch this programme]
Other - James David Parker - 'The Magic Of Philosophical Illusion'
James Parker is a master of the mysterious magic arts who has created the phenomenal 'Philosophical Illusion'. He is a former teen prodigy and has now developed into an internationally respected virtuoso of his craft. Here he performs a unique show for conscious.tv.

Rhea Powers - 'My Journey Unfolding My Soul' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Life Stories - (loaded 10 May 2013) [watch this programme]
Spiritual - Rhea Powers - 'My Journey Unfolding My Soul' - Interview by Iain McNay
Author of 10 books including 'Riding The Dragon,' 'Unfolding The Soul, 'Past Lives' as well as her first novel 'Beads On A string.' Rhea talks about her life, her work as a Past Life therapist; her experiences channeling, and how she used these experiences to find a deeper level of who she really is.

These are the latest interviews from Conscious TV

http://www.conscious.tv/

Chris

[greybeard]

Jeff Foster 'The Waves are the Ocean' Interview by Renate McNay


Jeff is author of 5 books including, 'The Deepest Acceptance: Radical Awakening In Ordinary Life,' 'An Extraordinary Absence: Liberation in the Midst Of A Very Ordinary Life,' and 'The Wonder of Being.' In this Interview he gives us the Metaphor of the Ocean and the Waves and invites us to discover the Ocean of who we are: an Awareness that has already allowed every Wave of emotion and experience to arrive, they are our beloved children. Jeff explains how we can stop running from "the mess of our life" into the deepest Acceptance of the moment and radically Awaken in Ordinary Life. He also shares with us in depth his own process.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq0uE2nK-qg

[greybeard]

Free webinar Saturday, June 15 Three Keys to Increasing Personal and Global Coherence webinar.

http://www.glcoherence.org/templates/gcp/email/Webinar/2013/three-keys/webinar-online.php?mtcCampaign=-1&mtcEmail=156261627

[greybeard]

Dr David Hawkins---The final doorway- the highest level of enlightenment possible on earth.
He was very frail when this video was made but the final door happened many years previous.
Ch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnYJS5lg72w

[greybeard]

Science, Planet Changes & World Crisis - Gregg Braden


Red Ice Radio interview.

Published on 27 Mar 2013

Gregg Braden is known as a pioneer in bridging science and spirituality. For more than 27 years, Gregg has explored high mountain villages, remote monasteries, and forgotten texts to merge their timeless secrets. His discoveries inspired books as: The God Code, The Divine Matrix, Fractal Time, and his newest, Deep Truth. In the first hour, we begin on 2012 and the Mayan perspective on cyclic changes. Gregg talks about how changes on our planet will force changes within ourselves. He shares what he believes will be a miracle manifested soon. Then, he explains how our modern worldview has brought us to a crisis in thinking which threatens our lives today. He says most of the world's problems stem from a worldview based upon the false assumptions of an incomplete science. We'll identify the five key false assumptions science has made and talk about new discoveries that can solve problems.

http://www.redicecreations.com/
http://www.greggbraden.com/






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX9tasS_iBU

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An Enlightened Woman's story
Men take a back seat---smiling.

Awakenings - Mukti - 'The Embodiment of Enlightenment' - Interview by Renate McNay
The Feminine Face of God - Part 2. Mukti, whose name is translated as "liberation" is a teacher in the linage of Adyashanti, her husband. In this interview she talks about her spiritual path of Faith and Trusting, her longing to have a spiritual marriage with Adya and her experience of "True Stillness" which lead into her profound Awakening where Reality completely shifted. Mukti also points out that Women need to listen to their direct experience in their bodies and explains with such beautiful clarity how Enlightenment is felt and manifested through the 3 Centers - Mind, Heart, Belly - in the body

On conscious TV
find here

www.conscious.tv

[AwakeInADream]

Dr David Hawkins---The final doorway- the highest level of enlightenment possible on earth.
He was very frail when this video was made but the final door happened many years previous.
Ch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnYJS5lg72w

The terror of non existence is something I used to feel when I had a panic attack (much worse than death). It was most severe when it first started (the breakdown), I thought of it as a dark night of the soul, now I'm thinking it was more of a Kundalini awakening. I became physically crippled for a time and couldn't eat anything at first, but it gradually got easier. It took me seven years in all to stop having those attacks, but I finally beat them by getting connected with HS and also surrendering (in a way) to the terror, by simply allowing it to be.

Of course I'm by no means enlightened, which is where I want to be. I just don't know if I'll ever be ready enough in this lifetime to suffer such agony again. Well, maybe if it only lasts a few minutes....

Great video Chris!:) Has Dr Hawkins written any good books you would recommend?

[greybeard]

Hi Awake in a Dream
http://www.veritaspub.com/product_info.php?cPath=47_48&products_id=157

Discovery of the Presence of God: Devotional Nonduality
This, the sixth book in a progressive series by the author, finalizes and further clarifies the true nature and core of the condition termed “Enlightenment.” Although it draws on consciousness research for explanation and contextualization, it is primarily an instruction manual for the serious spiritual devotee and reveals information that is known only by those who have transcended the ego to reach Divine Realization.

This is the inner route from the self to the Self, and the descriptions of the progressive states are devoted to the reader’s own Illumination.

The subjective states of the mystic have been of great interest but historically never have been clarified to the degree presented in this semi-autobiographical account that also provides the means by which to identify their rare occurrence and thus describe the core characteristics of Spiritual Truth.

Devoid of ecclesiastical doctrine or religious belief systems, the pristine essence of all spiritual Truth is revealed in its purity with unprecedented clarity. It becomes clear that to truly “know” is to “be” rather than to “know about.” Why all of Dr. Hawkins’ books begin and end with “Gloria in Excelsis Deo!” becomes apparent.

You can get the book from Amazon I think.

This is a resume of Dr Hawkins life
http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about

Best wishes
Chris

[AwakeInADream]

Thanks Chris!:) I didn't realize it was the same guy that wrote 'Power V's Force'(a bit dumb of me), I'm terrible at remembering names. I feel really drawn to David Hawkins work though, so I will remember his name from now on.:)

[greybeard]

Thanks Chris!:) I didn't realize it was the same guy that wrote 'Power V's Force'(a bit dumb of me), I'm terrible at remembering names. I feel really drawn to David Hawkins work though, so I will remember his name from now on.:)

Hi AwakeInADream the video in post 2162 is great.
Also the Ramana one post 2164 is a root of spirituality for me.
I virtually started the quest with him and keep returning back.
However I have all of Dr Hawkins books and quite a few of his lectures on the hard drive.
If you have space http://proxybay.net/search/dr%20David%20Hawkins/0/7/
The 2002 lectures are amazing
By coincidence Dr Hawkins mentions Ramana in the video.
Virtually every western enlightened sage and quite a few Indian ones quote Ramana.

Happy days

Chris

[Rich]

Ramana
I virtually started the quest with him and keep returning back.

Same, imo he guided me before I was even aware of it.


First time I went to a Satsang today http://www.muni-satsang.de/pag/home.htm.
The woman host told me on the phone that he was enlightened.
My attitude was more like ''we'll see'' a bit skeptical.
When he walked into the room I could immediately feel it, the energy became more subtle.
Things he said; if you are on a path you're going away from yourself. But not to deny the energy in us that wants to do.
I didn't listen much to the words, but the consciousness felt like,
Beingness and the forms in it are a dream - imagined...kind of like that if I had to put it into words.

[greybeard]

Ramana
I virtually started the quest with him and keep returning back.

Same, imo he guided me before I was even aware of it.


First time I went to a Satsang today http://www.muni-satsang.de/pag/home.htm.
The woman host told me on the phone that he was enlightened.
My attitude was more like ''we'll see'' a bit skeptical.
When he walked into the room I could immediately feel it, the energy became more subtle.
Things he said; if you are on a path you're going away from yourself. But not to deny the energy in us that wants to do.
I didn't listen much to the words, but the consciousness felt like,
Beingness and the forms in it are a dream - imagined...kind of like that if I had to put it into words.

Yes EmEx--Once you make a commitment you are led to the teacher & life situation that is right for you.
Its a pathless path, that's an Adyashanti quote. as is "You cant find what you already have",

Its subtle, there still has to be work done, but its a question of removing obstacles and Self Enquiry (What am I?)

The energy of Satsang can be very helpful, yet the teacher and the taught are identical---the same consciousness--there is only the One.
So many paradoxes.

Of course you know all this.

Best wishes
Chris

[Delight]

Pim Van Lommel - 'Consciousness and The Near Death Experience' - Interview by Iain McNayUnder Consciousness - (loaded 02 June 2013) [watch this programme]
Other - Pim Van Lommel - 'Consciousness and The Near Death Experience' - Interview by Iain McNay
Pim worked as a cardiologist in the Netherlands and in 1986 became interested in near-death experiences in patients who survived a cardiac arrest. In 2007 he published his book 'Endless Consciousness: a scientific approach to the near-death experience.' He looks in detail into what actually happens in people's experiences during a NDE, and how it can dramatically change their lives. It raises such fundamental questions as: 'Where is Consciousness located?' 'What Happens when we die' 'Who am I?'

These are the latest interviews from Conscious TV

http://www.conscious.tv/

Chris

I want to bump this interview...really thought provoking

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And this one is excellent and not as long

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[greybeard]

Oprah interviews Dr David Hawkins
There is an enormous amount of information and love flowing in the video.
Parts one and three on U tube as well as links to other Dr Hawkins videos

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBu9DbPQr30

[greybeard]

Tremendously clear spiritual advice from Sri Ramana Maharshi. Be inspired to continue your efforts to see the One Identity. Creative Commons video for you to use and inspire others.

A silent read only video.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDp8UwNWin8&feature=endscreen

[Rich]

Thanks for that excellent talk of Dr. Hawkings, Part 1 at 6:25... just bliss.


Since this is probably the most visited spiritual thread on Avalon, I'm posting
the Lester Levenson books here for those who haven't seen the other thread.

Lesters Story
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Keys to Ultimate Freedom
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Lester and Me
[ Mod-edit: Link removed due to copyright infringement. - Paul. ]

Original post [with table of contents]:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54427-My-Friend-Lester-Levenson&p=684498#post684498

[greybeard]

Hi EmEx
Im happy for you to post Lester material or anything else for that matter.
At least here, the thread having a sticky, its accessible for a long period of time.
Regards Chris

[Youniverse]

Dr David Hawkins---The final doorway- the highest level of enlightenment possible on earth.
He was very frail when this video was made but the final door happened many years previous.
Ch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnYJS5lg72w

The terror of non existence is something I used to feel when I had a panic attack (much worse than death). It was most severe when it first started (the breakdown), I thought of it as a dark night of the soul, now I'm thinking it was more of a Kundalini awakening. I became physically crippled for a time and couldn't eat anything at first, but it gradually got easier. It took me seven years in all to stop having those attacks, but I finally beat them by getting connected with HS and also surrendering (in a way) to the terror, by simply allowing it to be.

Of course I'm by no means enlightened, which is where I want to be. I just don't know if I'll ever be ready enough in this lifetime to suffer such agony again. Well, maybe if it only lasts a few minutes....

Great video Chris!:) Has Dr Hawkins written any good books you would recommend?

I had an experience quite similar to what you're sharing here, several years ago. The doctors diagnosed it as some sort of severely overactive hiatus hernia. They saw that I had a pretty bad hiatus hernia from the gastroscopy procedure. Perhaps the hiatus hernia was acting up, but I have a persistent feeling that something much more happened to me back then. I had several panic/anxiety attacks, as you mentioned, a couple of which were pretty rough. I didn't really identify the panic attack at the time as "the terror of non-existence," but there was a great deal of fear and terror involved. I also had a feeling at times like something was trying to 'take me over' and that something was not welcome. But since the 'terror of non-existence' idea was mentioned here, I thought about my panic attacks and that element may very well have been a part of it. However, when I reflect on that now I kinda find it amusing because now I KNOW it is impossible for who I really am, not to exist. I have zero fear of non-existence now. So perhaps we had to face that sort of feeling before we could transcend it. I don't care to experience those attacks again either, though I get the sense that I would handle it differently now. I did experience a great deal of fear of dying back then, and now I genuinely feel that death is an illusion. So now it would be like, "ok you're coming for me, here I am, and I will always be!"

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I definately feel like something 'not of this world' happened to me back when I had those panic attacks.

[greybeard]

Thanks for sharing guys.
Dr Hawkins said that every fear, no matter how small, investigated fully will lead to the the fear of death, non-existence.
The question is "What then?"
The car is broken I cant afford another.
What then?
I wont be able to get to work?
What then?
I will lose my job?
What Then?
I will have no money?
What then?
I will be home less?
What then?
I will be destitute?
What then?
I will starve to death.

You can start with any negative thought and follow it on from there with What then?

A fashion model---Im getting older
What then?
You can fill in the rest.

Any fear is ultimately related to the body and the fear of the death of it--the fear of the unknown.

The upside is that fear can lead to the spiritual search--- and yes dark nights of the soul as part of that.

Chris

[Rich]

Plus, fear is always about the future never about what is.

[AwakeInADream]

I had an experience quite similar to what you're sharing here, several years ago. The doctors diagnosed it as some sort of severely overactive hiatus hernia. They saw that I had a pretty bad hiatus hernia from the gastroscopy procedure. Perhaps the hiatus hernia was acting up, but I have a persistent feeling that something much more happened to me back then. I had several panic/anxiety attacks, as you mentioned, a couple of which were pretty rough. I didn't really identify the panic attack at the time as "the terror of non-existence," but there was a great deal of fear and terror involved. I also had a feeling at times like something was trying to 'take me over' and that something was not welcome. But since the 'terror of non-existence' idea was mentioned here, I thought about my panic attacks and that element may very well have been a part of it. However, when I reflect on that now I kinda find it amusing because now I KNOW it is impossible for who I really am, not to exist. I have zero fear of non-existence now. So perhaps we had to face that sort of feeling before we could transcend it. I don't care to experience those attacks again either, though I get the sense that I would handle it differently now. I did experience a great deal of fear of dying back then, and now I genuinely feel that death is an illusion. So now it would be like, "ok you're coming for me, here I am, and I will always be!"

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I definately feel like something 'not of this world' happened to me back when I had those panic attacks.

Thanks Youniverse!:) I think You're right, we did need to go through hell in order to transcend it. I wouldn't change a thing about it since it's made me so much stronger than I would ever have been without having suffered. I was still afraid of death when I first joined Avalon, but now I think I can safely say (99.9%) that "I am not afraid to die!". Just being on Project Avalon amongst some of the finest minds and hearts humanity has to offer, has gotten me to this stage of fearlessness, courage and confidence. Having a few OBE's has helped too, and also realizing that I am the Higher Self. There's still a long way for me to go before I realize who/what I really am ultimately, but I think it's going to be plain sailing from here(or at least no more than I can handle). This place sure has been a catalyst for my spiritual development.:)


Thanks for sharing guys.
Dr Hawkins said that every fear, no matter how small, investigated fully will lead to the the fear of death, non-existence.
The question is "What then?"
The car is broken I cant afford another.
What then?
I wont be able to get to work?
What then?
I will lose my job?
What Then?
I will have no money?
What then?
I will be home less?
What then?
I will be destitute?
What then?
I will starve to death.


You hit the nail on the head there Chris!:) This is exactly how it happened with me. Small fears and worry's revealed to me larger underlying fears which eventually lead me to the ultimate and only fear I had. Now that's gone, it's Love, Love, Love all the way from here on in.:)


Plus, fear is always about the future never about what is.

Yup. Why worry about something that will never happen. I choose to stay positive about everything now, because even if a situation doesn't work out ideally as I'd hoped for, I have still benefited from feeling great about it before hand(even if it doesn't happen). Plus I don't feel disappointed when things go wrong because, there's always next time, and my peace is unshakable anyway since problems don't even exist in the moment, only peace.:)

I'm not putting on 'rose coloured spectacles' either, there really always is a genuine 'reason to be cheerful' (blissful even) when I just pause and decide to look at what really is (and what was there all along).:)
(that's something else I've learned on Avalon, that true feelings really are an extra sense perception, that tell it like it is. Becoming aware of these feelings has made my world so much larger than it was before, and much more truly alive:))

[greybeard]

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Who's Driving the Dreambus

Thanks to absent friend Jeanette for this.


http://www.dreambuslive.com/

[greybeard]

Whos driving the Dream bus? trailer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AVQFWkfSls


Tony Parsons----The open Secret.
He is one of the first Non-duality teachers in UK and on the film Who's driving the dream Bus
He has a great sense of humour a really inspiring teacher --who seems to get results.

The full film (Dream Bus) is in this thread some where----an index of videos would be a great thing but I dont have the ability.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL3aIolKCmA

[wind in the stone]

I have been dealing with this question for a while.I used to hate myself because i thought the ego was me.I have found that to transend the ego(which i must do daily.). I must know that i am not the seeker of the truth,i am that which is being sought.I watch my body and mind and see as they play the game of life.but if i can attain this view,i can have some control over me and my mind.i can discard the ego like crumbs on my leg.this view is difficult to renew every day,but it is so very worth it.set aside some time each day,to see you(the thing that hold your name) and watch what he/she does,watch where they hurt,watch where they are joy,and marvel at closeness that comes when you realize that;you are the thing that fills every gap and crack.you are the love that the artificial you longs so much for.you are the living water that if you drink of it,you shall never thirst.

[greybeard]

I have been dealing with this question for a while.I used to hate myself because i thought the ego was me.I have found that to transend the ego(which i must do daily.). I must know that i am not the seeker of the truth,i am that which is being sought.I watch my body and mind and see as they play the game of life.but if i can attain this view,i can have some control over me and my mind.i can discard the ego like crumbs on my leg.this view is difficult to renew every day,but it is so very worth it.set aside some time each day,to see you(the thing that hold your name) and watch what he/she does,watch where they hurt,watch where they are joy,and marvel at closeness that comes when you realize that;you are the thing that fills every gap and crack.you are the love that the artificial you longs so much for.you are the living water that if you drink of it,you shall never thirst.

Welcome wind in the stone.
Yes you have to consistently be aware of what is going on with the ego.
After a while it gets easier and actually happens all the time---its non critical awareness-- not trying, pushing or shoving.
The light of awareness dissolves the identification with the thoughts and actions.

Thanks for your Post here---the first of many I hope.

Chris

[Rich]

an index of videos would be a great thing but I dont have the ability.
Not sure what you mean, isn't it just about going thru the posts and getting the links?


and watch what he/she does,watch where they hurt,watch where they are joy


Look at your mind. That in itself is a good practice. It
puts you apart from it. You are looking at it. Watch your
thoughts. It's a wonderful practice. If you examine
thoroughly the mind, you will discover that it isn't, it's an
illusion. Let it go it's way, just watch the mind. The
ultimate witness is the Self. It's a tremendous thing to
watch the mind. Not only does it quiet it, it makes the
mind not you. If you trace the source of the mind, you
find it is nothingness. This whole world is a dream
illusion, which means that it isn't. ~Lester Levenson


Mind (thought) cannot be said to exist apart from it's claim that it does.


It takes another thought to tell you that you've had a thought. ~Byron Katie

Does what is Real have to announce it's existence? Does mind not always cancel itself out?
Not saying that I know the answer, just something to contemplate.


i am not the seeker of the truth
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[greybeard]

Hi EmEx
Thats a well thought out post.
First Im dyslexic so making a list is not easy for me.
It more like the contents of a book list.
There must be hundreds of really good videos.
Such and such a video is on post no-- kind of.
It would have to be on page one or it would be lost in days.

As to mind---its temporary-- it dies with the body---its not what you are.
The sages recommend you work towards a silent awareness.
If the mind is silent you don’t die--you are not the mind.
It would seem that events happen deeds are done without a personal self---mind is useful up to a point but not needed.
To give an example --You can be spell bound by a peak moment -- a beautiful sunset--not a word in the head distracting from what is really happening.
Every moment can be a peak moment in silent awareness--fully present.
Depends what you mean by mind of course.
Some speak of the Mind of God which is somewhat different.

Chris

[Rich]

Quite possible to do but would probably take a few days of work. You could simply edit your first post.

The list could be based on key words like:

-Love
-Mother Earth
-Mind
-Ramana Maharshi
-Science
-Self Inquiry
etc...

Some videos would be under more than one topic for example
''Ramana--What is having this thought?'' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epWYcYHj07A
would be under 'Ramana Maharshi' and 'Self Inquiry'



Depends what you mean by mind of course.
To be honest I'm not sure.

[greybeard]

Thanks EmEx
I doubt if I will get round to producing a list, its too time consuming and I would not impose on any one else this task.

Now and then I suggest that new people start at the beginning and work through.
There is a progression of my understanding from first post to current posts, however the kind of posts and interactions found on the thread are never dated, they will always be relevant to some one reading or viewing videos.

Chris

[greybeard]

David Sereda on Giza Plateau & Quantum Entanglement

Published on 1 May 2013

David Sereda is back to tell us of his latest findings about the Giza Plateau and quantum entanglement. Two objects that are quantum-entangled communicate with one another in an unknown, instantaneous mannr that Einstein called 'spooky action at a distance.' It has recently been discovered that this doesn't just apply to subatomic particles. Two diamonds have been entangled, and not only that, they weren't brought together at all, but rather encoded with identical vibrations.

This implies the possible existence of a powerful new tool, and here David Sereda makes the leap that the structures on the Giza Plateau might actually BE such a tool, capable of connecting us to distant parts of the universe in a whole new way.

Quantum entanglement occurs when particles such as photons, electrons, molecules as large as buckyballs, and even small diamonds interact physically and then become separated; the type of interaction is such that each resulting member of a pair is properly described by the same quantum mechanical description (state), which is indefinite in terms of important factors such as position, momentum, spin, polarization, etc.

Quantum entanglement is a form of quantum superposition. When a measurement is made and it causes one member of such a pair to take on a definite value (e.g., clockwise spin), the other member of this entangled pair will at any subsequent time be found to have taken the appropriately correlated value (e.g., counterclockwise spin). Thus, there is a correlation between the results of measurements performed on entangled pairs, and this correlation is observed even though the entangled pair may have been separated by arbitrarily large distances. In quantum entanglement, part of the transfer happens instantaneously. Repeated experiments have verified that this works even when the measurements are performed more quickly than light could travel between the sites of measurement: there is no slower-than-light influence that can pass between the entangled particles. Recent experiments have shown that this transfer occurs at least 10,000 times faster than the speed of light, which does not remove the possibility of it being an instantaneous phenomenon, but only sets a lower limit





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Jf2Z9-XXY

David Sereda Explains Crystal Energy, Chakras & Auras


Published on 12 Sep 2012

http://www.americanantigravity.com - David Sereda applies solid-state physics research to explain crystal energy and describes how crystal energy interacts with chakras in the body and nervous system.

David Sereda lives in Sedona - a city filled with vendors selling all types of crystal energy products - and he became intrigued by the idea of developing a scientific basis for crystal energy and the chakras. Research led him into solid-state physics, and as he retraced the history leading to the development of solid-state transistors, he formulated a model for crystal energy that he has developed into a series of crystal energy pendants.

He uses Kirlian aura photos to demonstrate how pendants he's designed based on this research enhance the body's aura, and also demonstrates high-resolution aura photos that demonstrate how crystal energy interacts with the chakras.

To learn more, please read: http://www.americanantigravity.com/fi...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vyr-nLQXT0


Disclaimer
Some of what David Sereda says takes some believing.
However even though its a may be so ie Princess Diana visiting him the day after she died for example. I post things that may be of interest without claiming they are true in their entirety or part.

Chris

[greybeard]

Gregg Braden on consciousness


Gregg Braden takes us on a short trip through consciousness that connects our feelings and our mass reality.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYntzEMnLF8

[greybeard]

David R. Hawkins - The Experience Of Experiencing




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVTQcdKk41M

"...You avoid the lower astral" ~David R Hawkins


This is another segment from the 2002 lecture: Positionality & Duality

The late Dr Hawkins in fine humorous form


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02OJVj1SVqw

[greybeard]

David Hawkins - How To Transcend Cause Effect & Past life

Potentiality become actuality.
Intention a very powerful factor.
Depends upon the spiritual vibration.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIGvVMdG3HU

[greybeard]

Jeff Foster - pointers on Nonduality (Advaita) and Oneness - Audiobook
A clip from the audio book version of "An Extraordinary Absence" by Jeff Foster, available here:
http://www.non-dualitypress.com/produ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdL7VMSOLI



Jeff Foster - Oneness Meeting Itself - Nonduality


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkAIlKuqt6I


This is Jeff in the early days probably before the state fully matured.
He is struck by the wonder of it all---even though there is no Jeff left as a person. There never was a Jeff in fact is the message of Advaita.
There is no individual, never was never will be.
One Consciousness is pretending to be separate individuals.

Chris
Chris

[greybeard]

Eckhart Tolle - Opinions Of Others Is A Self Judgement



Eckhart Tolle was born in Germany and educated at the Universities of London and Cambridge. At 29, he says a profound inner transformation radically changed the course of his life. He spent the next few years devoted to understanding, integrating and deepening that transformation, which he says marked the beginning of an intense inward journey. While in London, he also began to work with individuals and small groups as a counselor and spiritual teacher. Since 1995, he has lived in Vancouver, Canada. The Power of Now made its American debut in 1999 and has since been translated into 33 languages.

Eckhart is not aligned with any particular religion or tradition. Through his writing and seminars, his simple yet profound teachings have already helped countless people throughout the world find inner peace and greater fulfillment in their lives.

At the core of his teachings lies the transformation of consciousness—a spiritual awakening that he sees as the next step in human evolution. An essential aspect of this awakening consists of transcending our ego-based state of consciousness. This, he says, is a prerequisite not only for personal happiness but also for the ending of violent conflict endemic on our planet.

A sought-after public speaker and teacher, Eckhart travels throughout the world. Most of the talks are given in English, but occasionally Eckhart speaks in German and Spanish. Many of his talks, intensives and retreats are published on CD and DVD.

Read more: http://www.oprah.com/oprahsbookclub/E...










http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y-ttuK5sSE

[Eram]

David Hawkins - How To Transcend Cause Effect & Past life

Potentiality become actuality.
Intention a very powerful factor.
Depends upon the spiritual vibration.

]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIGvVMdG3HU

I enjoyed watching this youtube Chris.
As I did several others for the last few days.
When I read about him first, here in this thread, I had mistaken him for Steven hawking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking) and thought to myself... "Was this dude enlightened, I didn't know that". lol

One of the points that he makes in this youtube, is that it is possible to pray for forgiveness, for parts in you that seem to cause negative effects in your life, even if this is for instance the experience that all people treat you rude. you can then search into yourself for the part that is rude to other people and find forgiveness for that.

Another method to do this, that I just recently started working with is the method that katie Byron (http://www.thework.com/index.php) teaches.
Her methodology doesn't use forgiveness to start with, but more a form of applied logic to come to the understanding that everything we feel is wrong with a certain event or person is just a story that we make up on the reality that is presented to us.
Reality (that what happens here on earth) is God (in her logic) and whatever we make up about it in our mind is a false story about this reality (ego).
She teaches 4 questions to use as a tool of inquiry to come to the understanding that everything that you thought about a certain topic (that causes you suffering) was in the end only false stories that you made up with flawed logic.


If applied properly (with sincere experiencing the attached emotions and feelings) you can end the suffering in your life with it.
It is extremely powerful to me and I'm actually a bit surprised that I haven't read about her all over the spirituality section here on Avalon before :).

Where many forms of spiritual work tend to come to a point where the house of the ego is slowly fading away into thin air, her 4 questions seem to take that house apart brick by brick.
The nice thing about it is, once you have learned to work with this to some degree, you can work with it just through the day, while mowing the lawn or cooking diner.
You just scan yourself for anything that you feel resistance to at that moment and you let every emotions attached to it rise and then apply the 4 questions to it.

Have you heard of her before Chris?

[greybeard]

Hi Eram in the darkest reaches of this thread there might be mention of Byron Katie

http://www.thework.com/index.php

I have two of her books and as you say the process is very useful.
I suppose like everything else people have to be ready to honestly ask and answer the questions.
Every enlightened teacher in their own way says the same thing.
Eckhart says "Dont take your thoughts too seriously" he kind of leads people gently before occasionally saying things like.
"There was never anyone there to do anything to you."

Some times people have to be led gently to the truth.

If I say "Only God is" that scares the Sh## out most seekers in the early stages.
In truth the ego starts the search because it wants to be an enlightened ego---it does not realise it has signed its own death warrant.
You have to die to your Self--- to know your true nature.

Thanks for your great post

Chris

[Eram]

I agree, but from my own experience I have observed that some teachers are more compatible to some then others.
meaning.... Every teachers teaches a methodology that seems to fit certain people more easy then others.

For instance the statement from Tolle: "Don't take your thoughts too seriously" and the whole explanation behind it, is true of course, but for some reason that seems to be embedded in my personality, I tend to end up in the woods with it and start ignoring my thoughts and emotions and that is exactly the opposite of what I am supposed to do hahaha.

For me personally the nice thing about Katie Byron's "the work", is that I willfully search for the emotions and thoughts that create suffering and then dissolve them with proper logic and releasing.
"Using a thorn to remove a thorn" in "optima forma" in my opinion.

[greybeard]

The Ascension Study Guide
As this thread is devoted to all paths I have included a link to this.
Its not my path but certainly those who enjoy the work the Law of One will find this interesting.

http://www.transients.info/

http://www.transients.info/2013/06/the-ascension-study-guide.html#more

If you follow the links on this web page you will be able to read the guide on line.
There is also a link top right on the guide page which will download a free PDF.

I read part of this and it is well constructed and not trying to sell you anything or say that there is only one way to develop spiritually.
If you have the time and interest its one of the best of its kind I have looked at, though I have not read beyond the first ten pages.

Chris

[AwakeInADream]

Hi Chris!:) Firstly, Dr David Hawkins was the coolest guy on the planet IMO. Great videos!:)

On another note, some of that Ascension stuff is pretty interesting too (a lot of discernment required though). I read a lot about it years ago but it was way over my head at the time. Here's a book I've read on Ascension that is kind of hard to get hold of (for free): 'The Complete Ascension Manual' by Joshua David Stone:
http://awakenvideo.org/pdf/Inner%20Sanctum/Collection%20Vol%20II%20H-N/Joshua%20David%20Stone%20-%20%20Complete%20Ascension%20Manual.pdf

Here are a load more hard to find free books A-Z by author:http://awakenvideo.org/pdf/Inner%20Sanctum/

I stumbled across this rather hidden place whilst searching Google for 'filetype: pdf', and there seems to be a lot of very good books there(and bad), but also lots of author's I've never heard of before.(No David Hawkins though:()

Chris. Will you let me know if you see any real gems in these directories that I absolutely must read?
(I've downloaded 5 years worth of reading material already:o)

Here's a good one. Itzhak Bentov: Stalking The Wild Pendulum

http://awakenvideo.org/pdf/Inner%20Sanctum/Collection%20Vol%20II%20H-N/Itzhak%20Bentov%20-%20Stalking%20The%20Wild%20Pendulum%20-%20On%20the%20Mechanics%20of%20Consciousness.pdf

Cheers:) Awake

P.S. Thanks Eram!:) I'm going to be reading through this little book from Byron Katie's site too, it looks quite good!: http://www.thework.com/downloads/little_book/English_LB.pdf

[greybeard]

Hi AwakeInADream
Happy you are getting so much from the thread.
Dr Hawkins sure had some sense of humour yet a very in depth teaching.
I will have a look at the links you thoughtfully shared.
I dont read much now.
The energy of enlightenment is contained in books by those who are,, that's just a figure of speech--
A joke is They held a conference for enlightened people but no-body turned up.


Please keep contributing here, every post helps raise collective consciousness.
Every word thought and deed that is kind, positive, up lifting is benefiting the collective.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Thanks
Chris

[Rich]

Complete text of I AM THAT (http://www.scribd.com/doc/118280841/I-AM-THAT-Nisargadatta) by Nisaragadatta.
Thanks to tim for link.

[greybeard]

The biggest obstacle to enlightenment is the thought “I am the doer” so said Ramesh Balsekar the Advaita Sage.
He was a translator for Nasargadatta who told him to go and teach.

Its very subtle.
Perhaps you feel that you are being kind to others but there is nothing coming back.
That means you have a subtle agenda to get recognition.
Its short of unconditional love, which just is—it happens with no conditions whatsoever
Ramana would suggest “Who is it that wants recognition? Find what it is that requires respect, recognition etc.”

Nasargadatta said that until you are enlightened there is always an agenda.
Do gooders have an agenda but at least its a positive act.

Literally things happen and we claim authorship.

The Bagahvad Gita says

Events happen
Deeds are done
There is no doer there of

We are the witness observer yet there is a state beyond that--Awareness

Awareness is non volitional it happens all by itself.
Awareness does not need anything to be aware of, it is Self aware.


Chris

[markpierre]

God I love this thread. The world's all-time most tenacious. It ends when everyone wakes up
and can't talk about what just happened to them.

[greybeard]

God I love this thread. The world's all-time most tenacious. It ends when everyone wakes up
and can't talk about what just happened to them.

May that be soon im about out of concepts--smiling.
However here is another one or two.

At birth begins God waking some up.

God gave you an ego, let Him remove it.

If you think God does not know what your going to do next, think again.

We make plans and God laughs.

Thanks for being you Mark I love your direct, no nonsense attitude.

Chris

[markpierre]

God I love this thread. The world's all-time most tenacious. It ends when everyone wakes up
and can't talk about what just happened to them.

May that be soon im about out of concepts--smiling.
However here is another one or two.

At birth begins God waking some up.

God gave you an ego, let Him remove it.

If you think God does not know what your going to do next, think again.

We make plans and God laughs.

Thanks for being you Mark I love your direct, no nonsense attitude.

Chris

Thanks Chris. I loved those comments. God hits us on the back of the head with a shovel until we go kind of senseless.
Then He slips into bed with us.

I'm just gonna sit here and look at you.

[Chester]

Is not non duality an extreme of a duality? A duality of a.) non duality and b.) everything else?

I mean, let's be honest here... Before the "I" arises.... then after the "I" and the world has arisen.

YET! "gno"ing that nothing is the absolute everything puts that lovely ego thing on the back burner a bit, yes?

But also then allows that fictitious "I" to jump into the deep waters of life with courage, gusto, wild abandon, risk and lots, lots more.

I mean, if one day you "wake up" and see there is a world... why not at least enjoy it?

Back to Tim Freke again - Its "both / and" not "either / or" for justthisone"man"... but admittedly, this view is a view of already swimming in the deep end. Yet, But, And, more words... more is less?

Thus less is more? I think I'll shut up now... hahaha (timer starts).





EDIT and ADDED:

You know these comments are simply meant to stir the pot - not meant maliciously

[greybeard]

You dont have a malicious bone in your body Chester.
Its all levels and each level is true for the level a person is at----as long as one doesn’t think this is it.
Tim Freke is probably in what is called non abiding enlightenment.
Adyashanti was there for a while---about seven years later the full abiding enlightenment happened.
His story is on the end of the spontaneous awakening talks Try pirate bay.
God is form, formless, both and neither.
Hawkins addresses the various levels.
From a higher perspective enlightenment is kindergarten.
You are safe with Ramana or Nasargadatta teachings of course.
Nasargadatta says "Ask where you were before birth of this incarnation."
Ramana --Hawkins-- Adyashanti et all are clear--self/me is the illusion---only one consciousness.

Regards to you my friend
Chris

[greybeard]

Tim perhaps you would like to contribute re Chester's valid question.

Chris

[Chester]

Tim perhaps you would like to contribute re Chester's valid question.

Chris

WoW! You suggest "Tim" is a member here... but if he is, odds are that he is only a lurking member because I would spot him through his words in a heartbeat.

Timmy??? You there?

[greybeard]

Hi Chester not Tim Freke
Here you go Chester
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...

[Eram]

Is not non duality an extreme of a duality? A duality of a.) non duality and b.) everything else?

I mean, let's be honest here... Before the "I" arises.... then after the "I" and the world has arisen.

YET! "gno"ing that nothing is the absolute everything puts that lovely ego thing on the back burner a bit, yes?

But also then allows that fictitious "I" to jump into the deep waters of life with courage, gusto, wild abandon, risk and lots, lots more.

I mean, if one day you "wake up" and see there is a world... why not at least enjoy it?

Back to Tim Freke again - Its "both / and" not "either / or" for justthisoneclown... but admittedly, this view is a view of already swimming in the deep end. Yet, But, And, more words... more is less?

Thus less is more? I think I'll shut up now... hahaha (timer starts).





EDIT and ADDED:

You know these comments are simply meant to stir the pot - not meant maliciously

Do you mean non duality as in ... unity?

I would say that it is nothing like extreme duality.
It is the end of something where after the clarity and bliss begins that was always there, but was clouded by the suffering that arises from judging, resisting, pulling and pushing, which are all features of duality thinking.

[Fred Steeves]

Tim Freke is probably in what is called non abiding enlightenment.
Adyashanti was there for a while---about seven years later the full abiding enlightenment happened.


Hi there Chris. I've never heard of "non abiding enlightenment" before so I looked it up. Couldn't find that exact term, but did find "non abiding awakening", is that what you're referring to by chance?
http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/moving-beyond-the-pitfalls-of-non-abiding-awakenings/

[greybeard]

Tim Freke is probably in what is called non abiding enlightenment.
Adyashanti was there for a while---about seven years later the full abiding enlightenment happened.


Hi there Chris. I've never heard of "non abiding enlightenment" before so I looked it up. Couldn't find that exact term, but did find "non abiding awakening", is that what you're referring to by chance?
http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/moving-beyond-the-pitfalls-of-non-abiding-awakenings/


Yes. Thats a good find Fred
You will have noticed that the Adyashanti talk "The end of your world" is mentioned and liked at the end of that page.
It can be bought there or found on Pirate bay.
Adyashanti is the only teacher I have heard use that phrase.
It makes sense.
Many have a brief experience of enlightenment and that is ok too.
Regards Chris

[Shadowman]

Is not non duality an extreme of a duality? A duality of a.) non duality and b.) everything else?

I mean, let's be honest here... Before the "I" arises.... then after the "I" and the world has arisen.

YET! "gno"ing that nothing is the absolute everything puts that lovely ego thing on the back burner a bit, yes?

But also then allows that fictitious "I" to jump into the deep waters of life with courage, gusto, wild abandon, risk and lots, lots more.

I mean, if one day you "wake up" and see there is a world... why not at least enjoy it?

Back to Tim Freke again - Its "both / and" not "either / or" for justthisoneclown... but admittedly, this view is a view of already swimming in the deep end. Yet, But, And, more words... more is less?

Thus less is more? I think I'll shut up now... hahaha (timer starts).

EDIT and ADDED:

You know these comments are simply meant to stir the pot - not meant maliciously


Hi Chester,

Is not non duality an extreme of a duality? A duality of a.) non duality and b.) everything else?

This is sophistry. Superficially it may appear reasonable, but in actuality it is not. Attempting to apply concepts to the non dual state ie the Self/ God/ All that is/ Nirvana/ Tathagata is inappropriate. It is like saying a rainbow (a metaphor for a transient illusion) is the opposite of light (a metaphor for abiding reality). The rainbow is an unreal appearance dependent upon the real light. But it is still an illusion.

The Self is entirely beyond all concepts, beyond all descriptions and can only be truly known by experience ie gnosis ;-). However, here experience does not mean a subjective experience in the mind, so a more appropriate term is realization.

Hypothetical assertions, philosophical or metaphysical discussions and theological debates may stimulate the intellect, but they do not bring Self or God realization. On the contrary, all subjective thoughts perpetuate the matrix commonly known as the ego, which is why I often emphasize silence as both the way and the goal, even so far as my choice of avatar (from the cover of The Power of Silence, by Carlos Castaneda)...

My response to Bill's floccinaucinihilipilification concerning solipsism in the thread below is also relevant, in particular Seng-Ts'an's quotes from the Hsin Hsin Ming ;

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59941-Solipsism-the-biggest-spiritual-Con.&p=686080&viewfull=1#post686080

Be still and know that I am God. - Psalm 46:10

The more you talk about it, the more you think about it, the further you are from it - Seng-Ts'an

To seek Mind (here the buddhist term Mind with a capital M is synonymous with the Self) with the (discriminating) mind (ie the intellect/ego) is the greatest of all mistakes. - Seng-Ts'an


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNfS9Ywb2Cc

I mean, let's be honest here... Before the "I" arises.... then after the "I" and the world has arisen.

The subject and object ie duality are appearances only. They do not actually arise. It is like your waking and dreaming states. Both the subjective observer and the observed environment appear to arise together. But they do not in deep sleep. That in which they appear, and which is present in all three states is eternal and real. Sat, or Being, or Awareness is often confused with mind consciousness.

I mean, if one day you "wake up" and see there is a world... why not at least enjoy it?

As long as there is still an individual subjective observer, an observed world, and the act of observing, duality and the veiling power of Maya or illusion still hold sway, and you have not awakened in the context used by the awakened One(s).

Chris has linked my thread above for those who seek realization above all else. My style is direct, simple and some may say blunt. Just like the techniques which most appealed to me, ie zazen, vipassana and vichara. It is not for everyone. Ultimately awakening is your own choice, but you may end up sacrificing every thing to gain everything...

In Lak’ech / With Love
tim

[johnf]

Is not non duality an extreme of a duality? A duality of a.) non duality and b.) everything else?

I mean, let's be honest here... Before the "I" arises.... then after the "I" and the world has arisen.

YET! "gno"ing that nothing is the absolute everything puts that lovely ego thing on the back burner a bit, yes?

But also then allows that fictitious "I" to jump into the deep waters of life with courage, gusto, wild abandon, risk and lots, lots more.

I mean, if one day you "wake up" and see there is a world... why not at least enjoy it?

Back to Tim Freke again - Its "both / and" not "either / or" for justthisoneclown... but admittedly, this view is a view of already swimming in the deep end. Yet, But, And, more words... more is less?

Thus less is more? I think I'll shut up now... hahaha (timer starts).

EDIT and ADDED:

You know these comments are simply meant to stir the pot - not meant maliciously


Hi Chester,

Is not non duality an extreme of a duality? A duality of a.) non duality and b.) everything else?

This is sophistry. Superficially it may appear reasonable, but in actuality it is not. Attempting to apply concepts to the non dual state ie the Self/ God/ All that is/ Nirvana/ Tathagata is inappropriate. It is like saying a rainbow (a metaphor for a transient illusion) is the opposite of light (a metaphor for abiding reality). The rainbow is an unreal appearance dependent upon the real light. But it is still an illusion.

The Self is entirely beyond all concepts, beyond all descriptions and can only be truly known by experience ie gnosis ;-). However, here experience does not mean a subjective experience in the mind, so a more appropriate term is realization.

Hypothetical assertions, philosophical or metaphysical discussions and theological debates may stimulate the intellect, but they do not bring Self or God realization. On the contrary, all subjective thoughts perpetuate the matrix commonly known as the ego, which is why I often emphasize silence as both the way and the goal, even so far as my choice of avatar (from the cover of The Power of Silence, by Carlos Castaneda)...


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59941-Solipsism-the-biggest-spiritual-Con.&p=686080&viewfull=1#post686080

Be still and know that I am God. - Psalm 46:10

The more you talk about it, the more you think about it, the further you are from it - Seng-Ts'an

To seek Mind (here the buddhist term Mind with a capital M is synonymous with the Self) with the (discriminating) mind (ie the intellect/ego) is the greatest of all mistakes. - Seng-Ts'an


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNfS9Ywb2Cc

I mean, let's be honest here... Before the "I" arises.... then after the "I" and the world has arisen.

The subject and object ie duality are appearances only. They do not actually arise. It is like your waking and dreaming states. Both the subjective observer and the observed environment appear to arise together. But they do not in deep sleep. That in which they appear, and which is present in all three states is eternal and real. Sat, or Being, or Awareness is often confused with mind consciousness.

I mean, if one day you "wake up" and see there is a world... why not at least enjoy it?

As long as there is still an individual subjective observer, an observed world, and the act of observing, duality and the veiling power of Maya or illusion still hold sway, and you have not awakened in the context used by the awakened One(s).

Chris has linked my thread above for those who seek realization above all else. My style is direct, simple and some may say blunt. Just like the techniques which most appealed to me, ie zazen, vipassana and vichara. It is not for everyone. Ultimately awakening is your own choice, but you may end up sacrificing every thing to gain everything...

In Lak’ech / With Love
tim

Um, if that post doesn't dissolve the last thought, well.

" ", says I

I earnestly stated reading Bentinho Massaro recently.

His stuff all revolves around the idea that any trouble, any division, any body pain or otherwise, already exists in the larger
sweetness of pure awareness,

My head felt all swollen and painful a few days later, so I put the reading aside, and just remember that every once in a while.

Fool on the hill in the light of reminders like this thread is truly powerful.

The cat disappears, leaving it's smile till someone else wears it, then even the smile is gone, it's previous wearer resting in silence.

Thanks again (Entire Thread)

jf

[greybeard]

The encouragement and direction that comes through Tim is greatly appreciated.
Namaste
Chris

[Chester]

thanks ya'll

assimilated... jom

[Chester]

The Self is entirely beyond all concepts, beyond all descriptions and can only be truly known by experience ie gnosis ;-).

Good, "gn"own and agree - and then what next?

"Teach?"

or jump into the deep end?

[Shadowman]

The Self is entirely beyond all concepts, beyond all descriptions and can only be truly known by experience ie gnosis ;-).

Good, "gn"own and agree - and then what next?

"Teach?"

or jump into the deep end?



Upon realization, next no longer applies. Ditto with teaching and jumping. These apply to the ego, not to your true Self. To onlookers Siddhartha continued to apparently occupy his body/mind after attaining Buddhahood, and expound the Dharma, but from his “perspective” this was not the case, hence his use of the term Tathagata.

Since (and, in actuality, prior to) awakening I have not taken a single step, nor eaten a single morsel, nor uttered a single word. (nor cracked a single joke, although you may agree the irony of advocating silence whilst apparently simultaneously utilizing the longest word in the English language in my last post was kind of amusing, no? T’was an inside joke for the astute reader.)

It is initially in silence that one realizes what they thought was real is just an illusion, Club Silencio anyone?....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1ZGvnGTn0U

Really though, the best advice is to attain realization first, then see if these questions are relevant, seek first the Kingdom and all else will be added unto you, hence my suggestion that in sacrificing every thing (body/mind/ego/beliefs/memories/etc) you gain everything (Totality/All That Is/Unity/I-Am/8 sideways), capice?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a28s_wyqkyc

PS Note the interesting synchronicity at (sideways) 8 secs, in the above vid. When you can just say I-AM the "light" comes on, lol. Then; you are everything, and everything is you...

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTI2mXa42EQQJ_r1Tq-Uhv7YrJkmsq97cIkFwdwmWj2UCQExoAxTw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR4Gg4Gf_3A

Namaste / With Love
tim

[Fred Steeves]

the irony of advocating silence whilst apparently simultaneously utilizing the longest word in the English language in my last post



floccinaucinihilipilification


Well son of a gun Tim, I always thought antidisestablishmentarianism was the longest word in the English language, but it's indeed shorter by one letter. AND,,, you actually figured out how to appropriately use it in a sentence as well! (LOL)

Hats off brother, :yo:

Fred

[Shadowman]

the irony of advocating silence whilst apparently simultaneously utilizing the longest word in the English language in my last post



floccinaucinihilipilification


Well son of a gun Tim, I always thought antidisestablishmentarianism was the longest word in the English language, but it's indeed shorter by one letter. AND,,, you actually figured out how to appropriately use it in a sentence as well! (LOL)

Hats off brother, :yo:

Fred



Impressive, no? Although I think Kathie / Tarka was hoping for something more along these lines, ;-) lol,

(See here for context http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=471487&viewfull=1#post471487 )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAKkRtSnOoQ

I trust you foamed suitably from the mouth upon realizing your misplaced faith in antidisestablishmentarianism ;)

Cheers Fred
tim

[greybeard]

Well Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch

It is one word more or less, poetic license. and it means.

"St Mary's Church in the hollow of the white hazel near a rapid whirlpool and the Church of St Tysilio of the red cave".


http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch.info/scripts/index.php

Now you know why Welsh singers are so good and can hold notes longer than most.

Chris

[greybeard]

GCI May 2013 Full Moon Synchronized Care Focus

http://www.glcoherence.org/templates/gcp/e-mail/e-broadcast/care-focus/2013/june/gci-synchronized-full-moon-2013-06-online.php?mtcCampaign=-1&mtcEmail=156261627

[Jetsam]

A long time since I've a seen a post that mentions Krishnamurti...
Here are is an interesting 'book', the last one (Nr. 8), I found the most interesting.
http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-text.php?tid=50&chid=257&w=conversations

A little excerpt:
Krishnamurti: In that case you will abandon all hope of finding a solution by simply changing the outer environment of your life, by simply changing from B back to A, for you will know that A and B are the same; in both of them is the desire to achieve, to attain, to gain the ultimate pleasure, whether in so-called enlightenment, God, truth, love, a fat banking account or any other form of security. Questioner: I see this, but what am I to do? I am still dying, still destroying myself. I feel sucked dry, empty, useless. I have lost all I had and gained nothing in return.

7 Krishnamurti: You have not understood then. When you feel and say that, you are still walking the same road we have been talking about - that road of self-fulfilment in either A or B. That road is the self-killing, that road is the factor of dying. Your feeling that you have lost all and gained nothing in return is to walk that road; that road is the destruction; the road itself is its own destination which is self-destruction, frustration, loneliness, immaturity. So the question now is, have you really turned your back on that road?

8 Questioner: How do I know whether I have turned my back on it or not?
Krishnamurti: You don't know, but if you see what that road actually is, not only its end but its beginning, which is the same as its end, then it is impossible for you to walk on it. You may, knowing the danger of it, occasionally stray on to it in a moment of inattention and then catch yourself on it suddenly - but seeing the road and its desolation is the ending of that road, and this is the only act. Don't say, "I don't understand it, I must think about it, I must work at it, I must practice awareness, I must find out what it is to be attentive, I must meditate and go into it," but see that every movement of fulfilment, achievement or dependence in life is that road. Seeing this is the abandonment of that road. When you see danger you don't make a great fuss trying to make up your mind what to do about it. If, in the face of danger, you say, "I must meditate about it, become aware of it, go into it, understand it," you are lost, it is too late. So what you have to do is simply to see this road, what it is, where it leads and how it feels - and already you will be walking in a different direction.

9 This is what we mean when we speak of awareness. We mean to be aware of the road and all the significance of that road, to be aware of the thousand different movements in life which are on the same road. If you try to see or walk on the "other road" you are still on the same old road. Questioner: How can I be sure that I am seeing what to do? Krishnamurti: You can't see what to do, you can see only what not to do. The total negation of that road is the new beginning, the other road. This other road is not on the map, nor can it ever be put on any map. Every map is a map of the wrong road, the old road.

[johnf]

Tim mentioned "Sat" in a recent post.
I am familiar with Satsang.
I don't think I ever looked it up before, here is what I get from it now.
Sat = Truth Sang = Company.

Being in the company of the truth.

jf

[Shadowman]

Tim mentioned "Sat" in a recent post.
I am familiar with Satsang.
I don't think I ever looked it up before, here is what I get from it now.
Sat = Truth Sang = Company.

Being in the company of the truth.

jf


Yes John,

Sat/Chit/Ananda are the three attributes of God/Brahman in Hinduism corresponding (roughly) to Being/Awareness/Bliss. Of these Sat may also be taken as Reality/Truth/Eternal existence.

Being in the "Buddhafield" of an awakened one can help quieten the mind and precipitate samadhi/satori.

In the beginning it seems like being with you (ie the sage/guru/avatar), ultimately yoga/union is attained, then it is just being you (The I AM/Brahman/Yahweh/etc)...

Your love feels
Like trumpets sound
I said your love feels
Like trumpets sound
Your life is like a mountain
Yes, your life is like a mountain
And your heart is like a church
With wide open doors
And to be with you
Is to find myself in the best of dreams
Your love feels like trumpets

Your love feels
Like high summer
Your love feels
Like high, high, summer
Your life is like an ocean
Yes, your life is like an ocean
I want to dive in naked
Lose myself in your depths
I want to be with you
To find myself in the best of dreams
Your love feels like trumpets

Please don’t wake me
No don’t shake me
I want to be with you
When being with you is the same
The same as being you
Your love feels like trumpets



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgjuCsIbBRc

With Love
tim

[johnf]

Thanks Tim,

When I read that I dropped the idea of a master, and thought just sit and be with the truth.
I was going to add something about if something else shows up, we can look at it and know
it only appears to be not truth, and maybe, we have some desire or something that is making ripples in the truth.
But hey, that just falls short.
And it seems like I can read your words and agree fully with them and feel like I am disolving into THAT,
or self, or something. I have read a bit about self inquiry, did some formal Scott Kiloby's unfindable inquiry,
those seem to start with some idea of I and end with less I , or a complete relaxing of some big "evidence" of it.
You just present the SELF. Oh, and songs like the fool on the hill.
I will keep reading.

jf

[greybeard]

Hi Jetsam please keep posting on KM or anything you wish to put here.
I have difficulty in making out what KM says on video--Im quite deaf.
Best wishes
Chris

[greybeard]

I am a hole in this flute that the Christ breath is moving, through-listen to the music.
Hafiz quote

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Hafidhhttp://www.allgreatquotes.com/hafiz_quotes.shtml.

I wish I could show you,
When you are lonely or in the darkness,
The Astonishing Light
Of your own Being!
Hafiz

This sky where we live is no place to lose your wings
So love, love, love.
Hafiz

Ever since Happiness heard your name
It has been running through the streets
Trying to find you.
Hafiz

Even after all this time
The sun never says to the earth,
"You owe Me."
Look what happens with
A love like that,
It lights the Whole Sky.
Hafiz

One regret, dear world,
That I am determined not to have
When I am lying on my deathbed
Is that
I did not kiss you enough.
Hafiz

Chris

[johnf]

Hafiz, :o
That was too short to be posted?

Webware can not hold enlightenment.

jf

[greybeard]

Hafiz, :o
That was too short to be posted?

Webware can not hold enlightenment.

jf

Sorry I dont understand what you are saying John.
Please say more.
Best wishes
Chris

[johnf]

Ok, lack of sleep, plus coffee = fail.

I meant I enjoyed the Hafiz quotes.
um, thanks for posting.

jf

[greybeard]

I am very happy with the way this thread is going.
It was never meant to be anything other than a place where people can share and interact.
Keep it coming my fellow "seekers"
I learn so much from every post.

Chris

[greybeard]

Ramesh Balsekar I had the good fortune to spend time with as did many others.


The renowned advaita master and teacher, Ramesh Balsekar in his first ever interview. In English w/ Spanish sub-titles

Conducted by Advaita Fellowship co-founder Rifka Hirsch. Recorded in 1988 in Hermosa Beach, California




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fByNIZWwm4&list=PL936953DBF9AD3BDD




From "The Kovalam Happening", A beautiful 2 hour DVD that is really worth owning because It lays out in such a clear way Ramesh's teaching of non-doership. Also very practical because he explains in a simple way how to flawlessly apply it to your life, and what will happen if you do. He de-mysifies everything.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYMVTGWl83g

[johnf]

In my earliest followings of this thread, there was a chain that included these links.
Chris posting a Scott Kiloby video > other videos > Lisa Cairns videos > Ramesh Balsekar vids, then a realization that:
The people whose message I resonated with usually traced back to Ramana Maharishi.
And his work pointed to the silence which was allways the goal.
Still can't get over the finger pointing to the moon, is not the moon, thing.
I was shown a picture of Ramana Maharishi almost 20 years ago, and it continues to be a good pointer for me.
Can't wait to see how it shows up next.

jf

[greybeard]

In my earliest followings of this thread, there was a chain that included these links.
Chris posting a Scott Kiloby video > other videos > Lisa Cairns videos > Ramesh Balsekar vids, then a realization that:
The people whose message I resonated with usually traced back to Ramana Maharishi.
And his work pointed to the silence which was allways the goal.
Still can't get over the finger pointing to the moon, is not the moon, thing.
I was shown a picture of Ramana Maharishi almost 20 years ago, and it continues to be a good pointer for me.
Can't wait to see how it shows up next.

jf

Yes John this is true.
Every spiritual teacher that I was drawn to mentioned Ramana.

Even though Ramesh Guru was Nasargadatta he had a picture of only Ramana at the seminar.
He said that Ramana was the Gurus Guru.
Thats a paradox of course because --you are the taught and the teacher---there is only the one consciousness, as of course you know.
Everything is impersonal.
God witnesses through your eyes.
Best wishes
Chris

[Shadowman]

thanks ya'll

assimilated... jom

Two cowboys for my new Texan friend (lol, one black hat, one white hat). When you realize there is only One driver of the buggy and drop all judgement, including self judgement, you can just enjoy the ride.....

(ignore the smart aleck comment, it doesn’t apply to you, my good man)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNjX3tQMygk



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlrKW7fh_Bo


Namaste
tim

[greybeard]

Journey to Perfection
This site has many valuable insights.
Well worth a visit.
Chris


http://www.journeytoperfection.com/

[greybeard]

Merging with Infinity
When a Loved One Dies - Finding Meaning In the Light of Death
Robin Johnson with Tim Freke



http://greatmystery.org/video/TimFreke.mp4

[greybeard]

The vacuum defines your reality. If we created our reality separate from each other we would never meet. So that means that we create a common reality because we are all connected to the same point. The center of the earth ..

Nassim Haramein



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXUyQy2RWr8

[greybeard]

Adyashanti explains the deeper meaning of the Middle Way.

"Adyashanti (Sanskrit word meaning, "primordial peace") is an American spiritual teacher from the San Francisco Bay Area who gives regular satsangs in the United States and also teaches abroad. He is the author of several books, CDs and DVDs and is the founder of Open Gate Sangha, Inc. a nonprofit organization that supports, and makes available, his teachings." Webopedia



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoaAGBoy09c



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkG2k7Smmeo

[Eram]

It's always a delight to watch Adyashanti explain it all so clearly.

I have a question related to what he is talking about in these two youtubes ie the consciousness that arises from the balance between the two duality viewpoints that encompasses all (ideas of duality) and the recognition that there is no "self" as a result of the emerging consciousness through that balance.

I have worked with this for some time (meditating etc) last year and I "think" I have observed that in an attempt to "do it right", I actually started to oppress thoughts instead of letting them pass freely.
Especially when not meditating.

Whenever I engage in the enlightenment ....thingy, I think I observe this tool of oppressing my emotions, thoughts etc at work.

That's why I like to do the work of Katie Byron so much.
It makes me extremely aware of my thoughts and emotions.

but.... I also think that energy flows where attention goes.

What I'm trying to say is:
whenever I try to find balance/neutrality in my life, I automatically seem to suppress thoughts and emotions, and that is almost the opposite of what I'm trying to do isn't it?
How do I solve this problem?

All I can come up with so far is trying to become more and more aware of this mechanism.

[greybeard]

Via The Watchers, 24 June 2013 - Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson reminds us in the video that we’re a part of the Universe… each one of us an inexorably inseparable part of the big picture, a connection between past, present, and future in the most elemental sense possible. Tyson gives us true cosmic perspective.

http://www.transients.info/

A lot of good information on that web site.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3sPsbv3fnY&feature=player_embedded

[greybeard]

Multidimensional Man
New Frontiers of Consciousness - Part 1
from Multidimensional Man Plus 6 months ago /



Jurgen Ziewe reports about his peak experiences which gradually lead towards a state of consciousness of direct reality awareness without the filters of conditioning, prejudgements, the likes and dislikes of the ego. He delves into the phenomena of "Awakening", what it "feels" like and how it differentiates from normal everyday waking consciousness. He points to what we can do to shift our attention from the tyranny of our internal commentator to an awareness of what actually is by paying attention to a far superior wisdom awareness of the heart. May be the heart does a better job at living than our thoughts.




http://av.vimeo.com/03854/340/132636983.mp4?aktimeoffset=0&aksessionid=a15a72baf7cfe1f4b1958e6d2bc720fc&token=1372455202_b0a26ed06e71d2f726642a584ea74029