Wake-Up Avalon....

[observer]

This is what the Global Elite are doing - among so many other things - while we endlessly debate our Hopes and Dreams....

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-detainees

Any member who agrees with the theme of this thread, please add your observations with a comment.

add text:

This thread is about so much more than what the Chacago Police are doing to the minorities in that single town. It's about what the Global Elite are doing all over the planet while a small minority try to voice a complaint.

It's about Guantanamo. It's about troop withdrawal from the Middle East. It's about the escalation of war all over the planet. It's about weaponizing scientific discovery, such as all the biological warfare clearly in progress. It's about what they are planning to do to the Human Race at CERN.

All this is being done with total indifference to the voice of protest.

The Global Elite are winning - Wakeup Avalon....

[TargeT]

Amazing use of visual information representation in that article.


As for it's topic... welcome to why I left the US (mostly). very sad.

ALL DRUGS should be decriminalized, the numbers in that article should tell us this if nothing else.

[Pam]

Both state and federal governments are using the working class to create revenue. In this incident they are talking about unjust imprisonment of the poor or people of color.

One thing that I don't think was mentioned in the article was that if you are arrested on a "drug charge" and there is even the remotest indication that you are a dealer, they can confiscate property. Things as simple as having some money, or a scale in your possession can be enough. My nephew had an addiction problem. He was arrested and a scale was found in his property and that was enough to confiscate his car and sell it. My son was pulled over with an invalid license. His car was impounded and was on "hold" for thirty days. If he could not come up with 500.00 within 5 day to pay for a part of the impound fee, that would total 1,100.00 dollars at the end of the 30 day hold, they were going to sell his car.

This is really nothing more than extortion. I used to look at those government confiscation sales and think that all those cars and boats that were for sale were from some drug kingpins. That simply is not true. The government continues to find more and more ways to profit off of the working class and those that have become addicts. That includes putting people in prison,which is turning out to be big business as well.

Why are their no confiscation tactics for bankers that bilk the public out of billions of dollars. In fact, there is barely any punishment for these so called "white collar crimes".

I am absolutely sickened by the corruption that is staring each one of us in the face.

[Lifebringer]

You know they are taking too long to do stuff to save African American Hebrews in this country. This sight, I reported on three mainstream sites and twitter viral. Back in Aug when I found the Congressman Posey MMR cdc vaccine fraud speech on c-span.org
Anyway it's taking a long time and I'm wondering if the distractions of more rampant shootings to take the article off front pages, is the reason. Seems every time they get caught being depraved volatile animals with a badge, the people get another domestic lone wolf event? There's a sickness in our police forces that permits "male sexual dominance behind a gun. We're tired of the: "What us gonna do stuff." 21st century and all that does not fit in with humanity's plan to rid the earth of evil. If they treat us like this hidden from you by media and politics, it's NOT AN ACCIDENT, therefore, genocide and torture on US soil again continuing. We must have the faith and patience of the saints to wait for God's command.
Just saying it's mighty convenient sometimes.

I got the word out as I've heard it discussed in various marches in DC by parents that are accusing "genocide" according to the "Meeting in Nicea" and agreement to wipe the Hebrew off the history of earth, so the "false ones" can claim the history for themselves.
We are in those times. Woe be to the evil doers.

As in the days of Noah, Creator does the Hebrews battle as He knows the plans against us.

[Sunny-side-up]

Frightening to say the least and a disgustingly blatant abandonment of Human Rights.
Really shows what they think of the population (Well those percentages of), we are nothing to care about (Care as in: look after as CITIZENS of EARTH)

[Lifebringer]

WE can't afford to take all our people back to our homeland, never could. When a black businessman in the 1890's built a ship for this separation, other transportation shipping businesses sunk or burned the ships. It's why Jim Jones (Jonestown Massacre 1967 or 68) was able to take so many of us fed up with oppression, using God, faith and cocaine, to sucker them and poison them. We've given it over to God since then.

Nobody loves this treatment daily.:thumbsdown:

[observer]

This thread is about so much more than what the Chacago Police are doing to the minorities in that single town. It's about what the Global Elite are doing all over the planet while a small minority try to voice a complaint.

It's about Guantanamo. It's about troop withdrawal from the Middle East. It's about the escalation of war all over the planet. It's about weaponizing scientific discovery, such as all the biological warfare clearly in progress. It's about what they are planning to do to the Human Race at CERN.

All this is being done with total indifference to the voice of protest.

The Global Elite are winning - Wakeup Avalon....

update:

The text of this comment was added to the OP.

[giovonni]

This thread is about so much more than what the Chacago Police are doing to the minorities in that single town. It's about what the Global Elite are doing all over the planet while a small minority try to voice a complaint.

It's about Guantanamo. It's about troop withdrawal from the Middle East. It's about the escalation of war all over the planet. It's about weaponizing scientific discovery, such as all the biological warfare clearly in progress. It's about what they are planning to do to the Human Race at CERN, All this is being done with total indifference to the voice of protest.

The Global Elite are winning - Wakeup Avalon....

Excellent opening statement.

[TargeT]

The Global Elite are winning - Wakeup Avalon....

are they though?

or are these the last gasps of a dying system?

There is a tool out there right now, a very popular one that is undermining the SINGLE most powerful manipulation tool we know of.

Money (and the "handling" of money).

Bitcoin alone will win the "war" for us; the Blockchain technology is built on transparency.

Alternate energy (the most basic form of control has always been access to energy) sources are unstoppably coming forward.

Information can spread in seconds, instead of weeks or months.

It's pretty damn sunny on my island, how about yours?

[betoobig]

**** is pooring all around, in other words, light is reaching darker and darker places... all this is just one piece of the puzzle...everything will come to light be prepared for this ugly digestions.
Much love

¤=[Post Update]=¤

i meant *popo*

[giovonni]

this might fit nicely here ...


today's going definition ...


Agorism is a revolutionary left-libertarian political philosophy that advocates the goal of bringing about a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics. Counter-economics is the sum of all non-aggressive human action which is forbidden by the state.

Solutions: Agorism

corbettreport


Many people have their own theory about the way the world should work, but few combine it with action. Today on The Corbett Report we explore the writings of Samuel Konkin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Edward_Konkin_III), and how his central idea, agorism, combines the theory and practice of freedom through counter-economic action. Agora! Anarchy! Action!

SHOW NOTES: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=16653


Published on Oct 19, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cynd4AINc70&feature=em-uploademail

[Shannon]

They've been doing this in Chicago and Detroit for decades upon decades. The intercept has a great article about this

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/14/detroits-hidden-crack-casualties-2/


I'm not a stranger to addiction and am an active harm reduction advocate. This is about money, arrests, closing cases and power.

Hopefully, cops will be indicted and some innocent peeps will go free

[Fanna]

https://lotteslifestyle.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/a9d66mxcuaa967o_large.png

RANDOM KID ON STREET GIVES TWELVE MIRACLES WHILE WE ENDLESSLY DEBATE OUR HOPES AND DREAMS!

[gripreaper]

This is about money, arrests, closing cases and power.

Yup. In a fiat system of currency, the only entities who have a charter to create money out of thin air are central banks, and municipal courts.

You see, when you are born, a bond is issued under your corporate name, and a line of credit is opened in your name. This line of credit has become a source of revenue for municipal courts to tap into, so they create statutory laws against all manner of behavior in order to "salvage" the untapped resources in your line of credit.

Once there is a charging instrument by the municipality, it is deposited and money is then transferred to the courts and the judges get their share of the take. Then, you are held a surety for the bond so that you will pay the interest.

That is why 95% of all cases, no matter what, go against the defendant in all civil and criminal cases. It's a HUGE money maker for the courts, judges and attorneys.

[observer]

^^^^
grip is correct. All of which he speaks has been occurring, unreported, right in front of us. Which lends further evidence, the Global Elite have no concern about our protest. It's all in vain.

[observer]

This thread is about so much more than what the Chacago Police are doing to the minorities in that single town. It's about what the Global Elite are doing all over the planet while a small minority try to voice a complaint.

It's about Guantanamo. It's about troop withdrawal from the Middle East. It's about the escalation of war all over the planet. It's about weaponizing scientific discovery, such as all the biological warfare clearly in progress. It's about what they are planning to do to the Human Race at CERN, All this is being done with total indifference to the voice of protest.

The Global Elite are winning - Wakeup Avalon....

Suggestion, add the above to the OP.

Perhaps you're correct giovonni. I originally added that comment as a way to 'bump' the thread. I edited the OP to include the text as you have suggested.

[Constance]

Breal suddenly stirs...She feels the dawning sunlight on her face.
It awakens her gently.
She sits up in bed, eagerly anticipating a new day.
She springs out of bed. Ready to go :dog:

[heyokah]

I think this belongs here as well.
Hope Songmuze won't mind me taking this action.

ITNJ Treaty


Signatures on this Treaty are the voice of the people mandating the establishment of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice. Please read and sign this historic document.


The International Tribunal for Natural Justice has just been launched. Sovereign individuals may now hold governments and corporations accountable for actions that do not uphold natural justice as the foundational tenet of human expression. This is pro-action at its best. No need to wait for those in "power" to implode.

To sign the Treaty of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice, to volunteer, and to learn more... http://www.itnj.org/itnj/itnj-treaty/

Date: 10/20/2015

Having awakened to the truth that since the moment of our birth We have been contracted to corporate institutions which by their very nature serve neither people nor planet, and in hereby revoking in earnest all such contracts which have blinded, encumbered, and sought to separate us from our most noble expression, We now claim a rightful place in this world which the Supreme Creator within has provided for us all, as equals amongst all, and will take such action as to ensure the restoration of truth and justice for all people of the world.

We have met with such a truth, as We have come to know it, understand it, and embrace it, and now choose to be ruled by it for the rest of our days.

We, according to the solemn duty as aforesaid, and per the dictate of conscience, ratify the present treaty with the earnest intention that truth and reason be restored to the delivery of justice in the world.

And so, recognising that in Truth:

i. Law in its purest form requires nothing more or less than that we each do no harm.

ii. Harm in any form is only ever caused by natural persons, regardless of whether or not the natural person may claim to be operating under corporate dictate, colour of law, or otherwise.

iii. Harm in any form is only ever capable of being suffered by natural persons, regardless of whether or not the harm suffered may have been so suffered through a natural person's artificial externalities.

iv. Neither corporate immunity, nor colour of right, can indemnify a natural person for harm caused to another.

v. No natural person is bound by the unlawful ruling of a de facto court where they are not a consenting party with full knowledge of the manner in which their consent is given.

We the natural men and women of the world, pursuant to the ultimate goal of realising equal rights and dignity for each member of the human family,

HEREBY MANDATE the International Tribunal for Natural Justice.

The Tribunal shall exist and function according to Constitution of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice as included by reference herein.

Let this message go forth from this time and place to all the peoples of the world that to right the wrongs done to them and in vindication of their rights and the enforcement of just causes and to hold accountable those responsible for breaches of human rights it is proclaimed that the International Tribunal for Natural Justice is hereby established pursuant to this Treaty and Constitution.

http://www.itnj.org/itnj/itnj-treaty/

[ZooLife]

As a subset on this matter:

It's interesting to note that the very system that creates drugs and prosecutes is also the system that creates the scenario where there is a need/ desire for them.

Insidious.

The system is found guilty of a multitude of crimes against humanity.

https://localtvktvi.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/guilty-verdict.jpg?w=400&h=225&crop=1

[Shannon]

As a subset on this matter:

It's interesting to note that the very system that creates drugs and prosecutes is also the system that creates the scenario where there is a need/ desire for them.

Insidious.

The system is found guilty of a multitude of crimes against humanity.

https://localtvktvi.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/guilty-verdict.jpg?w=400&h=225&crop=1

^^I love this so much...

Let's throw the book at the system, and throw away the key!

[betoobig]

@Heyokah, i signed. love it, thanks
much love

[heyokah]

Cross-posting this one here, as I still believe in protest and action.


Thank you sigma, for bringing this up, so I can get attention for this petition, for those in Australia:

The dirtiest deal you've never heard of

For years, there's been negotiations behind closed doors for a new trade deal that would span countries bordering the Asia-Pacific, including the US, Canada, New Zealand, as well as several countries in Latin America and Asia. The deal is called the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement – or "TPP" for short.

The TPP agenda is primarily being driven by big business, big pharmaceuticals and big tobacco – but its impacts will affect everyday Australians.

Between foreign corporations suing our governments over public health measures and environmental protection laws, higher prices for medicine, and surveillance of Australians' internet usage, there's a lot for citizens to be concerned about.

What we do know from leaked parts of the agreement is terrifying. But most Australians haven't even heard about the TPP. That's why we need to sound the alarm now, and sound it loudly.

Can you sign the petition calling on our politicians not to sign our rights away?

HERE (https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/tpp/tpp/the-dirtiest-deal-you-ve-never-heard-of)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ZFDpuiFUs

[observer]

In an attempt to keep this thread headed in the direction that I had intended, I cross-post a comment made in the, "Re: CERN Lied About The MAXIMUM POWER LEVEL!! 1000+ TeV In November 2015 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86275-CERN-Lied-About-The-MAXIMUM-POWER-LEVEL---1000-TeV-In-November-2015&p=1013136&viewfull=1#post1013136)" Thread:


I find an alarming number of individuals, still willing to accept the "official version" of any story, whether it's, "vacinations are safe for your children", or, "there's nothing to worry about regarding Chemtrails", or in this case, "what are they doing at CERN".

In order to make a significant change to our Common Reality, we must have a significant majority of aware souls affecting that Common Reality through individual affect on the Mass Consciousness of Humanity. This is how the Global Elite, and their hyperdimensional interlopers have been controlling the evolution of civilization - since the Dawn of Civilization.

Wake Up Avalon.... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86134-Wake-Up-Avalon....)

[Songmuze]

Thank you so much for sharing heyokah!!!

I know this is not the only solution for so many problems, but at least it is an organization of world citizens taking some sort of action towards righting so many wrongs...

Bless!
:bearhug:

[ThePythonicCow]

Two more recent threads focused more specifically on Homan Square:

Homan Square: How Chicago Police disappeared 7000 people. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86558-Homan-Square-How-Chicago-Police-disappeared-7000-people.)
Secret CIA Black Sites In American Heartland For 'Disappearing' Citizens (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86580-Secret-CIA-Black-Sites-In-American-Heartland-For-Disappearing-Citizens)

[gripreaper]

Is it just Avalon that needs to wake up? Can we look at the illuni-naughties and continue to claim victimhood because they came here thousands of years ago and brought the psychopathic gene which we all now carry?

Can we still say that we as humans have free will to choose an unlimited potential to evolve to higher consciousness, or did these psychopaths, who have laid claim to this earth, sever this potential from our consciousness, or did we just acquiesce to their prescriptive path for us and we got too comfortable and accepted slavery?

Because they are tenacious, and ground us into subservience over millennium, we no longer feel the need to be sovereign or to govern our own affairs? We no longer feel the urge to evolve to higher consciousness? We are too drugged up with Fluoride in our water and Aluminum in the air?

Are we sick and tired of war? Are we fed up with the fiat slave currency which sucks all of the energy out of manifestation? Are we sick and tired of the courts, judges and attorneys all being whores and mercenaries for the banksters? Are we tired of the schools teaching lies about our history, this planet and our origins?

Are we tired of all our institutions being institutions of fear, perpetuating scarcity, limited potential, and pounding into our consciousness the alleged inhumanity of humanity? Are we inherently evil, or is this just a meme we are fed every minute of every day to keep us in fear, to keep us looking outside ourselves for saviors and for parents to lead us?

Are we entertained with death, avarice, pornography and suffering? Do we continue to listen to the same old stories from the same old media who always tell us how bad things are and how bad we all are, and how we need to fight everything and how life is all about fighting? Wars on this and wars on that.?

Are we content to run on the treadmill of consumerism, trading all our energy for stacking up digital numbers in some database somewhere we call assets? Are we content to live in our little boxes, eat our GMO foods, and watch the Kardashians latest fashions, or the latest sports team win their latest game, which we will forget by tomorrow?

And what about our religions selling myths and lies, wars and divisiveness, and all manner of archetypes with which to do battle, all manner of lies to keep us fighting each other?

I think it is time to wake up. The whole scenario, the whole enchilada is bereft with lies and Bullsh!t and needs to be torn down. Each and every thought and every action we make needs to be conscious and needs to be in contravention to the current paradigm. All of it is bogus.

[idiit]

I think it is time to wake up.

^quite a noble sentiment that I used to share.

here's another take; time for a bunch of selfish cowards to quit hiding under their blankets and letting others fight their war for them.

[observer]

Two more recent threads focused more specifically on Homan Square:

Homan Square: How Chicago Police disappeared 7000 people. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86558-Homan-Square-How-Chicago-Police-disappeared-7000-people.)
Secret CIA Black Sites In American Heartland For 'Disappearing' Citizens (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86580-Secret-CIA-Black-Sites-In-American-Heartland-For-Disappearing-Citizens)


Thank you Paul, for having the wisdom to not merge those threads with this one.

I began this thread for reasons far-beyond the goings-on at Homan Square. On the day I posted the OP, the Homan Square Story was the most obscene act of Global Elitism I could find. However, on any given day, of any given year, one can find other stories just as obscene, demonstrating how, "sitting around and focusing on happy thoughts" is doing absolutely nothing toward putting an end to the obscenities.

I'm so frustrated at how so many members condemn the comments of just a few members, with accusations of creating fear.... with denunciation of their revelations.... with impeachment of the messenger.

Any investigation into what forces are really driving the abomination of our Common Reality will be seen by most as "Fear Porn".

It is my hope, there are enough warriors, here at Avalon, with the desire burning-within, to realize Humanity is loosing the war.

It's long-past-time for the rest of the members to wake-up to this reality....

[idiit]

Is it just Avalon that needs to wake up?

^ this is what me above post was responding to. I was not calling members with opposing perspectives cowards. I repeatedly state in my posts that I most often post to the 10/11 viewers that are not members here viewing threads. ppl here are informed. they got a right to their perspective.


ad hominem attacks from members appears to many of us to occasionally raise it's head here.


It's long-past-time for the rest of the members to wake-up to this reality....

project Avalon can be a catalyst for a larger group (non members viewing threads here). tackling one of the good guys carrying the ball does poor service to humanity fo sho.

[betoobig]

Let´s put the names on the table:

"Reptilians And The Council Of 13
They are as follows:
Rothschild (Bauer or Bower) - Pindar
Bruce
Cavendish (Kennedy)
De Medici
Hanover
Hapsburg
Krupp
Plantagenet
Rockefeller
Romanov
Sinclair (St. Clair)
Warburg (del Banco)
Windsor (Saxe-Coburg-Gothe)
Each of the 13 ruling families is given an area of the Earth and/or a particular function to fulfill on the Earth.

These particular functions include,
global finances
military technology/development
mind-control
religion
media
Each of the 13 ruling families has a Council of 13 as well.





The number, 13, has great significance to them. They know that there are 12 types of energies that pass through the 10 aspects of God-Mind. The totality of the 12 energies equals a 13th energy. This is considered the most powerful knowledge.

They also know that there are really 13 Zodiac signs, not the commonly acknowledged 12. They have kept the 13th hidden for centuries because it is the sign of the Dragon." this is part of the article..
more... http://in5d.com/reptilians-and-the-council-of-13-2/

MUch love

[seah]

They are not winning. They have a shelf life, and their expiry date is almost up in the scheme of things, and they know this.

[alh02]

They are not winning. They have a shelf life, and their expiry date is almost up in the scheme of things, and they know this.

What are you basing your assertions on here?

What evidence can you share with us that supports them?

What have you observed (in the world around you) that leads you to believe your conclusions reflect reality?

[idiit]

When Terror Victims Become the Hunters


“Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you’re not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. ‘Cause if you lose your head and you give up, then you neither live nor win. That’s just the way it is.” ~ from the movie The Outlaw Josey Wales, Clint Eastwood

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/07/neo-when-terror-victims-become-the-hunters/



yeah dat!

[turiya]

They are not winning. They have a shelf life, and their expiry date is almost up in the scheme of things, and they know this.
What are you basing your assertions on here?

What evidence can you share with us that supports them?

What have you observed (in the world around you) that leads you to believe your conclusions reflect reality?Cross posted on this thread. And on this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=748610&viewfull=1#post748610)
Yes, Avalon, please wake the hell up!

I don't mind stepping in to answer this...

I will show you the proof.
As for Reptilians - they don't exist.
Show the proof that they exist! And I don't think that all the delusionally gullible people claiming that they've experienced Reptilians is any evidence at all. If anything, it only proves that they've been disillusioned & fooled by the Annunaki into believing that they are Reptilians.

The proof is in the pudding...
What had existed up to 2002 was that there were entities from another Universe that attempted to extend their lives by creating a wormhole into another universe. This was because they knew quite well that their universe was in a condition of collapse, as they had the ability to read the Akashic of their universe for themselves. So, in an attempt to prolong their existence & the existence of their universe, they built a wormhole into another universe to have access to the energies of that universe - to suck as much energy as they possibly could. Unfortunately, that "other universe" they had broken into was this universe.

Yes, when that wormhole had opened into our Universe, it effected / infected some 33,000 souls that were on their way to this Earth to have the experience of physical life in a human form. These souls, after taking on physical human form, had the potential to use the dark energy that came from this other universe.

It took some time before the non physical guardian beings of this Universe found a way to resolve this situation & rid this Universe of these bazaar entities. The answer to the problem came much later. As of the Year 2002 it was finally accomplished. The proof comes in 2014, as Steven Hawking came out in a paper (http://etheric.com/stephen-hawking-rejects-idea-black-hole/) (See also Paul LaViolette's article: "Hawking Finally Sees the Light" (http://starburstfound.org/hawking-finally-sees-light-black-holes-exist/)) and had reversed his stand on the existence of "black holes". And since "black holes" only came into existence within this Universe due to the intrusion of these entities into this Universe. The Akashic has called these entities the "14th Faction". With the dissolving of the "Black Holes" within this Universe, it is proof that this Universe is free of these Reptilian entities.

What we have is that some of these infected / affected souls still have somewhat of a grip on positions of power. However, their power positions are quickly fading, as they are no longer able to receive 14 Faction energies. Its only a matter of time before these corrupted souls in positions of power will be completely gone.

And so, you may think that you can do something about the power elite & their global control over the masses, but there is really nothing anyone can do, as the major work has already been accomplished - and not by any human being.

This is explained fully in the following video...


Chris Thomas On Reptilians &
From Where This Concept Has Arisen


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOdFvukqtds

Related Article:


Milky Way's Giant Black Hole Spits Out Its Food (http://www.space.com/22586-milky-way-giant-black-hole-food.html)
by Clara Moskowitz

http://i.space.com/images/i/000/032/271/i02/sagittarius-a-star-composite.jpg?1377793951



The colossal black hole at the heart of the Milky Way galaxy is a messy eater. Of all the gas that falls toward the black hole, 99 percent gets spewed back out into space, new observations show, making the black hole akin to a toddler whose food ends up mostly on the floor, rather than his mouth.

The Milky Way's supermassive black hole, called Sagittarius A* (pronounced "Sagittarius A-star"), contains the mass of 4 million suns. Yet it's not getting much larger, according to the new findings, which help explain why the object is surprisingly dim.

Although black holes themselves can't be seen, their immediate vicinities usually emit strong radiation from the material falling into them. Not so for Sgr A*, though, which has prompted a rash of competing theories trying to explain its surprising lack of light. [Strangest Black Holes In the Universe]
more at the link (http://www.space.com/22586-milky-way-giant-black-hole-food.html)

Initially reported on this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=748610&viewfull=1#post748610)

And this just prior to Steven Hawking's reversal announcement on black holes through his related paper, there is the following...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jINHHXaPrWA

[seah]

They are not winning. They have a shelf life, and their expiry date is almost up in the scheme of things, and they know this.

What are you basing your assertions on here?

What evidence can you share with us that supports them?

What have you observed (in the world around you) that leads you to believe your conclusions reflect reality?

Hello alh02,

The world is full of illusions; constructs of power hungry humans, and others, each with their own agenda and sub plots.

You asking for "evidence" that supports my convictions brings to mind futile debates on forums of old where I learned a great deal. Foremost, is that your request is not a reasonable one. We clearly don't view the world the same way, so any information I might offer would not resonate with you.
If you're looking for assurances that the world will be alright in your future, I can not give you any.
If you disagree with my statement, that they are not winning, that is of course, your right.

I remain confident in my "assertions".

[observer]

^^^^

In the Greek mythology of Pandora's Box, Hope was the only evil that remained trapped within the box, after she released all the other evils of humanity. Hope is being portrayed as a form of evil, perhaps because it steeps humanity in delusion and unrealistic expectations that can never be met in full. Regardless of the interpretation applied to the myth, the fact remains, the promise of hope has always been the hypnotic mantra of dogma, since great antiquity. As we all should be aware, dogma is synchronistically associated to Artificial Telepathic Technology, directed at the Mass of Humanity, since the Dawn of Man.

[idiit]

a person without hope is a lost soul.

[observer]

a person without hope is a lost soul.

....dogma!

[turiya]

Hope... Politicians know very well how to keep the sheeple following behind them...
Traffickers of the drug called "hope-ium"...

[alh02]

They are not winning. They have a shelf life, and their expiry date is almost up in the scheme of things, and they know this.

What are you basing your assertions on here?

What evidence can you share with us that supports them?

What have you observed (in the world around you) that leads you to believe your conclusions reflect reality?

Hello alh02,

The world is full of illusions; constructs of power hungry humans, and others, each with their own agenda and sub plots.

You asking for "evidence" that supports my convictions brings to mind futile debates on forums of old where I learned a great deal. Foremost, is that your request is not a reasonable one. We clearly don't view the world the same way, so any information I might offer would not resonate with you.
If you're looking for assurances that the world will be alright in your future, I can not give you any.
If you disagree with my statement, that they are not winning, that is of course, your right.

I remain confident in my "assertions".


No worries seah, I'm happy to agree to disagree and move on if you'd rather not face reality.

The truth hurts, but eventually, one way or another, you're going to have to deal with it.

[seah]

what truth am I going to have to deal with, alh02? I haven't any idea what you actually disagree with that I said. In my understanding, forums are for communicating ideas, not for making assumptions on the personal reality of fellow members.

on a second note, I see your contribution to the thread was to basically pop in to ask me to provide "evidence", and now, to tell me that I have to deal with your imagined truth.

[alh02]

seah,

Your initial post on this thread was a direct contradiction of the underlying premise outlined in the OP (i.e. that TPTB are winning).

You made the following claims without providing ANY evidence or additional commentary to support them:


They are not winning. They have a shelf life, and their expiry date is almost up in the scheme of things, and they know this.

In essence, you trundled in here, made some very generalised statements about how you believe TPTB "aren't winning", made no effort to back those statements up with anything of substance... then simply walked away (or tried to).

All I did was ask you to provide some evidence, or at least offer some commentary on things you may have observed that would help to qualify your (for now at least) unsubstantiated claims:


What are you basing your assertions on here?

What evidence can you share with us that supports them?

What have you observed (in the world around you) that leads you to believe your conclusions reflect reality?

I offered you a chance to explain yourself before jumping in with both feet to discuss/debate the issue, but you flat out refused, citing that you felt there was no point engaging in a conversation with me, so I decided to back off and leave it alone.

In any case, now that the situation between us has been put into its proper context, if you feel like you want to discuss the topic further I'd be more than happy to do so.

But be aware, I could write pages about all the things TPTB are doing which suggest the exact opposite of everything you stated in your initial post, so be prepared to have your views and beliefs challenged to the Nth degree....

[observer]

^^^^

A great number of the Avalon Community believe the hypnotic mantra that, "if only one focuses on Happy Thoughts, one will create a new reality". This technique may have some effect on one's personal life, however, it has little or no effect on the Common Reality of Humanity. Throughout the historic record, it has never had any effect on the Common Reality.

For millennia there has been an hyperdimensional control mechanism synthetically tampering with the Mass Consciousness of Humanity using artificially implanted thought technology (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85728-ET-and-Black-Project-Tech-AI-Omnisense-w-Alfred-Lambremont-Webre&p=1005820&viewfull=1#post1005820). The greater majority of Humanity's Mass Consciousness has been subtly directed this way since the Dawn of Man. The only way to change the Mass Consciousness of Humanity is to have a majority of humanity all thinking in a similar fashion. How much effect does a small number of individuals thinking only Happy Thoughts have on the Mass Consciousness? The technique is an intentionally mis-directed focus.

Meanwhile, as this small minority go about life, ignoring the obscene reality outside of their own personal paradigms, nothing changes in the Common Reality. The numbers are far too great holding focus on the obscenities; even supporting that obscenity.

This is the real-world reality I'm certain alh02 is speaking to.

Hypnotic mantras have been a part of the control mechanism since the Dawn of Man. There has always been the promise of a, "bright new dawn, just over the horizon". Recognizing one is in a mesmerized state of mind is the point of this thread.

Few among us will get it....

[Fanna]

Few among us will get it....

Local forum battles over who knows that TPTB are not yet The Powers That Were.

Focus not on what you cannot do. DO what you can do. Action is infectious. So is argument. Both are ideas and WE spread them via our actions.

Sidenote on what Betoobig said earlier:

The number, 13, has great significance to them. They know that there are 12 types of energies that pass through the 10 aspects of God-Mind. The totality of the 12 energies equals a 13th energy. This is considered the most powerful knowledge.

I don't know how related this is, but do you remember the elongated skulls research thread some days ago? The really deciding factor on the distinction that these were of a different species (or genus) was that the skulls had 13 neural connections instead of the standard human 12.

[observer]

^^^^

I reiterate, Fanna, "few among us will get it".

Read the entire comment #43, then think about it....

add:

Regarding what betoobig had to say, did anyone go to the link offered in comment #30? (here) (http://in5d.com/reptilians-and-the-council-of-13-2/)

Take the time and read what Stewart Swerdlow has to say about the bloodlines that control this reality. What he is reporting has been going-on since great antiquity. How do a few members, believing only in Happy Thoughts, think they are going to put an end to this obscenity?

One's energies would be better spent on figuring-out how to get out of this matrix we are all eternally trapped within.

Research Reference:

"The Thirteen Bloodlines of the Illuminati": http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/index.htm

[observer]

Mythology is not what it has been represented. Mythology is an accurate description of historic events in great antiquity expressed in the best linguistic interpretations of the time.

In Sumerian Mythology, Enlil was the "god of the storm", and terror, who later morphed into aspects of the Hebrew god Yahweh/Jehovah, all are a representation of the Demiurge that controls this particular reality, or the Rex Mundi of the Cathar. No one has to take my word for this, any member can look it up for themselves.

These hyperdimensional [extra-dimensional] entities have been manipulating reality through a control over the Mass Consciousness of Humanity since the human species was created. The Common Reality of Humanity is created through the Mass Consciousness of Humanity.

More than one time, in great antiquity, a total restart of all time-lines was caused by this hyperdimensional Demiurge that controls this particular reality.

This mechanism exists for a reason. This reality is a place of the "fallen".

For a small group of individuals to believe they can make a change to what has existed for [possibly] several eternities by simply thinking Happy Thoughts is delusional, and indicative of an individual under an hypnotic trance.

With another Total Restart looming in the near future, it's time those among us who "get it", to begin considering an exit strategy from this matrix in which we are trapped.

There are billions of other realities within the complexity of the multiverse where Happy Thoughts prevail.

This reality exists to contain those who belong here. Stop believing you can, or should make a change to it....

[turiya]

A great number of the Avalon Community believe the hypnotic mantra that, "if only one focuses on Happy Thoughts, one will create a new reality". This technique may have some effect on one's personal life, however, it has little or no effect on the Common Reality of Humanity. Throughout the historic record, it has never had any effect on the Common Reality.

A very old story but of great importance …

A great but foolish king complained that the rough ground hurt his feet, so he ordered the whole kingdom to be carpeted with cowhide to protect his feet. But the court fool laughed at this – he was a wise man. Said he, “The king’s idea is simply ridiculous.”

The king was very angry and said to the fool, “You show me a better alternative, otherwise you will be put to death.”

The fool said, “Sire, cut out small pads of cowhide to cover your feet.”

And this is how shoes were born.


For millennia there has been an hyperdimensional control mechanism synthetically tampering with the Mass Consciousness of Humanity using artificially implanted thought technology (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85728-ET-and-Black-Project-Tech-AI-Omnisense-w-Alfred-Lambremont-Webre&p=1005820&viewfull=1#post1005820). The greater majority of Humanity's Mass Consciousness has been subtly directed this way since the Dawn of Man. The only way to change the Mass Consciousness of Humanity is to have a majority of humanity all thinking in a similar fashion. How much effect does a small number of individuals thinking only Happy Thoughts have on the Mass Consciousness? The technique is an intentionally mis-directed focus.

One has to start with oneself...
Before you have dropped your own problems, you cannot have the right perspective to understand the world problems. Your own home is in such a mess, your own mind is in such a mess, your own inner being is in such a mess – how can you have a perspective to understand vast problems?

How can one dictate what the masses should be doing, when one has not even understood himself; first start from there. Otherwise, every step will be a wrong step taken. The first step needs to be taken towards one's own self, toward one's own being, otherwise every other step taken will take you further away from yourself. This first step toward oneself can lead to the birth of a 'new' man, a 'new' woman, a 'new' paradigm. And out of it, a 'new' humanity can have its birth. Inner awakening is more contagious than any disease known to man.


Meanwhile, as this small minority go about life, ignoring the obscene reality outside of their own personal paradigms, nothing changes in the Common Reality. The numbers are far too great holding focus on the obscenities; even supporting that obscenity.

If enough individuals take the first step towards themselves, then a new collective consciousness will take root.



Hypnotic mantras have been a part of the control mechanism since the Dawn of Man. There has always been the promise of a, "bright new dawn, just over the horizon". Recognizing one is in a mesmerized state of mind is the point of this thread.


There are people who are in a tremendously confused state of mind & they start trying to help others, and they start proposing solutions. These people have created more troubles in the world than they have solved. They have always been there on the scene. These are the real mischief-mongers: the politicians, the economists, the so-called public servants, missionaries. These are the real mischief-mongers – they have not solved their own inner consciousness yet, and they are ready to bump into everybody else and to solve everybody else’s problem. In fact, in this way, they are avoiding their own reality: they don’t want to face it. They want to remain engaged somewhere else with somebody else – this gives them good occupation, it is a good distraction. And the masses follow along like the sheeple they have always been.

Remember: you are the problem, you are the world problem, and unless you are solved, whatsoever you do is going to make things more complicated. First bring your home in an order – create a cosmos there; at present it is a chaos - remove the chaos there, first.

And yes, few will get this.

[observer]

^^^^

How has this belief system been working for the Common Reality of Humanity so far, turiya? If this is what you truly believe, than go with it.

Don't shoot the messenger for pointing-out the inconsistencies in your convictions.

I reiterate:


"There are billions of other realities within the complexity of the multiverse where Happy Thoughts prevail.

This reality exists to contain those who belong here. Stop believing you can, or should make a change to it.... "

[turiya]

How has this belief system been working for the Common Reality of Humanity so far, turiya? If this is what you truly believe, than go with it.

Don't shoot the messenger for pointing-out the inconsistencies in your belief system.

I reiterate:


"There are billions of other realities within the complexity of the multiverse where Happy Thoughts prevail.

This reality exists to contain those who belong here. Stop believing you can, or should make a change to it.... "

Dear Observer

I must say, you are not a very good observer, as in observant of yourself, of the inner workings your own mind. Please don't take it personally, the 'you' is meant in the plural meaning of the word. As most all of humanity sits in this boat. Observation is not a belief system. It is purely a witnessing of the functioning of one's own thought processes. If you have taken what I've said as a shot at you (the messenger) then you have totally misunderstood what is said. You are trying to make what I said as an attack on your person. This is not true. By saying this, it shows you are merely running away from what is stated.

Like I said: Few will get this. Very few will understand this. Because very few are ever looking within, one's attention is looking outwardly for the reason why this world is in the mess it is. Its also called pointing the finger at others, other reasons for why things have fallen into such a state of disarray - since 'The Fall of Man'.

"Its everybody else's fault... has nothing to do with me." This is the mantra that's been in place, as you say: since the "Dawn of Man". I would rather correct that, to say, "Since the Fall of Man." Yes, this is the mantra that you are ignoring to point out. Rather, you would like it to be the Draco Reptilians, the global elitists, the 13 families, or some such other reason why man has not taken on the responsibility for his own undoing.

For the most part, blaming others is the psychological disposition of humanity.



How has this belief system been working for the Common Reality of Humanity so far, turiya?

Humanity has had a rich history of people that have been responsible for themselves - have taught others to be responsible for themselves. These people have been called the Enlightened Ones." People like Lao Tzu, Gautama Buddha, Mahavira, Jesus, Bodhidharma, George Gurdjieff, J. Krishnamurti, Ramakrishna, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Meher Baba, Atisha, Milarepa, Diogenes, Socrates, and many more. These people have been the backbone of the reality of humanity.

Observer, you have only chosen to "believe" that these people have not existed, that they have done nothing for this humanity. These people were the common people of humanity. They were not themselves seeking enlightenment, enlightenment happened to them because they were just responsible people, just being themselves. Not in any way trying to change this world, but the world changed because of who they were. You cannot deny that just one man - Gautama Siddhartha - changed this world. Not that it was his intent to do so, but it changed because he was one man that was authentically himself. And by doing so, just the presence of this man being on this Earth effected millions upon millions.

That is all that I am saying here. For large numbers of people to authentically be themselves will change this humanity tremendously.

You can choose to "disbelieve" that this is possible, that is okay for you. But I don't think that steering people away from being authentically themselves is a correct thing to do. It is a mis-direction, to say the least, that I don't think you are entirely aware of your doing so.

So, I really don't think that you can say that I am "shooting the messenger", when the message needs to be sincerely looked at. I understand that you think you're doing a good thing, here, but your message should be sincerely questioned. That is all that I am saying. I put to you, Observer, try to observe from where your thoughts & ideas have come from. Are they really 'your' thoughts? Or, are they borrowed from elsewhere, other books, what has been said by others?

I am only making this challenge to what your message is about.

[observer]

[....snip]

So, I really don't think that you can say that I am "shooting the messenger", when the message needs to be sincerely looked at. I understand that you think you're doing a good thing, here, but your message should be sincerely questioned. That is all that I am saying. I put to you, Observer, try to observe from where your thoughts & ideas have come from. Are they really 'your' thoughts? Or, are they borrowed from elsewhere, other books, what has been said by others?

I am only making this challenge to what your message is about.

Addressing your comments with the pronoun "you", and then denying that it was any sort of ad hominem attack is almost laughable.

Your quoted question, I have addressed in the past, and most synchronistically, just today in an off site exchange.

So I'll give you my best answer:

My conclusions are the result of extensive research into mostly objective evidence. Long ago, I rejected the testimonies of subjective sources. I subscribe to no Master who would fill my head with hypnotic mantra. I listen only to the conclusions I have discovered through my own personal investigation. And most importantly, a good bit of what I have concluded contradicts the hypnotists who would have one believe their agenda.

I'm aware, from past interactions with you, truiya, that you are a devotee of the Chris Thomas material. Is this testimony, in any way the conclusions from your own personal investigations? Or, are you subscribing to the hypnotic mantra of your chosen Master?

Among the many sources I have researched, I prefer to investigate historic records, especially from great antiquity, and listen to the personal testimonies of whistle-blowers, especially those whistle-blowers who have come-out of the intelligence community, offering their first-person experiences. These testimonies are much more objective than artificially channeled thoughts, passed-on over multiple interpretations.

There are, among those whistle-blower-individuals who would tell you, at the darkest circles of secrecy within the intelligence community, there exists a belief that a multi-species alien armada is waiting in the Kuiper Belt, watching like vultures for the outcome. Waiting for their own opportunity to take control, here on this planet. This is what the elite believe.

Perhaps the channelings of your Master, Chris Thomas, are artificially implanted telepathic thoughts from one of those waiting to pick the bones of humanity, after whatever event is looming just over the horizon. I can't say for sure, but no mysterious voices are talking inside my head. My conclusions are the result of many years of research.

I subscribe to no Master. My conclusions are my own. I ask no one to believe in me. I only offer alternate theses from the lies which have been told to Humanity since great antiquity.

Each individual has the free-will option to consider, or reject what I say.

Believe in whatever you harmonize with. I listen to the beat of my own drummer....

[alh02]

Reading the last few posts here reminds me why I stopped commenting in threads like this.

Unpleasant interactions with people who "think" they know what they're talking about, but who don't actually have a clue, is practically unavoidable.

Corrupted/co-opted new age philosophies and belief systems are destroying the minds of good people whose hearts are in the right place... and it's a damn shame.

Observer, good luck finding ways to get through to people, I admire your patience and determination.

Time for me to slink back into the shadows now.........

[observer]

^^^^

Ideologies, i.e. religions/theologies, for the most part, are constructs designed as a place for those of like-minded agreement to gather. New Age constructs are no exception.

The idea that all ideologies are corrupted with Artificial Telepathic Thoughts is a message no believer in the "faith" of their ideology will easily receive. Dogma is so hard to deny, once it is a part of your belief system.

Thank you alh02, above-and-beyond the "Thanks" icon, for acknowledging the difficult task of this mission.... observer

[seah]

seah,

Your initial post on this thread was a direct contradiction of the underlying premise outlined in the OP (i.e. that TPTB are winning).

You made the following claims without providing ANY evidence or additional commentary to support them:


They are not winning. They have a shelf life, and their expiry date is almost up in the scheme of things, and they know this.

In essence, you trundled in here, made some very generalised statements about how you believe TPTB "aren't winning", made no effort to back those statements up with anything of substance... then simply walked away (or tried to).

All I did was ask you to provide some evidence, or at least offer some commentary on things you may have observed that would help to qualify your (for now at least) unsubstantiated claims:


What are you basing your assertions on here?

What evidence can you share with us that supports them?

What have you observed (in the world around you) that leads you to believe your conclusions reflect reality?

I offered you a chance to explain yourself before jumping in with both feet to discuss/debate the issue, but you flat out refused, citing that you felt there was no point engaging in a conversation with me, so I decided to back off and leave it alone.

In any case, now that the situation between us has been put into its proper context, if you feel like you want to discuss the topic further I'd be more than happy to do so.

But be aware, I could write pages about all the things TPTB are doing which suggest the exact opposite of everything you stated in your initial post, so be prepared to have your views and beliefs challenged to the Nth degree....

thanks for your explanation. I don't feel that I "trundled" in, just offered my opinion. In any case, since it is observer's thread and he agrees with you, I apologize for my "generalized" statement.

One cannot provide material "evidence" for gnosis.

[turiya]

Among the many sources I have researched, I prefer to investigate historic records, especially from great antiquity, and listen to the personal testimonies of whistle-blowers, especially those whistle-blowers who have come-out of the intelligence community, offering their first-person experiences. These testimonies are much more objective...

Yes, I've come across some of your so-called "objective" research.
The following is a good example of what is truly laughable:


Statue of Inanna, the daughter of Enlil:

http://goddessinspired.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/inanna-descent.jpg

Take note to the reptilian toes and the wings depicted on Enlil's daughter, Inanna.


Totally absurd!
My reply on your previous Gerald Clark thread is as follows:


"Sorry, observer, but Inanna is not depicted with reptilian toes, but owl's feet. The owl wings are also prevalent. Also Note the two birds to the left & right. That's right - they are owls. But nice try. But no cigar!

Another thing, Inanna also has breasts. Reptilians don't have breasts. On the contrary, mammals have breasts to feed milk to their offspring. Its the human aspect of the owl depiction."



"The Sumerian word for owl is ninna and the name Nin-ninna given to the goddess in her owl form meant 'Divine Lady Owl'. The ancient texts also give the Akkadian word kilili for Nin-ninna, and this name was one shared by Innana and Ishtar. (Perhaps kilili is the original derivation of Lilith, who, much later, in biblical times, is called 'night-owl or screech-owl'."

They also note a possible connection to very ancient paleolithic (approximately 20,000 B.C.) symbols of the bird goddess.

Rafael Patai (The Hebrew Goddess 3rd ed. 1990) relates that in the Sumerian poem Gilgamesh and the Huluppu Tree, a she-demon named Lilith built her house in the Huluppu tree on the banks of the Euphrates before being routed by Gilgamesh. Patai then describes the Burney plaque:


"A Babylonian terra-cotta relief, roughly contemporary with the above poem, shows in what form Lilith was believed to appear to human eyes. She is slender, well shaped, beautiful and nude, with wings and owl-feet. She stands erect on two reclining lions which are turned away from each other and are flanked by owls. On her head she wears a cap embellished by several pairs of horns. In her hands she holds a ring and rod combination. Evidently this is no longer a lowly she-demon, but a goddess who tames wild beasts and, as shown by the owls on the reliefs, rules by night."
Source (http://analogicalplanet.com/Pages/ContentPages/Sidebars/BurneyRelief.html)


A grand example of your so-called "objective" research. Or, shall we have the "rubber-meet-the-road" and directly submit that this is what you call "objective" when in fact it is your buying into your own "subjective" interpretation... and the "subjective" research of others - i.e. Gerald Clark, oh really... and all the others that have their books to sell.


...I can't say for sure, but no mysterious voices are talking inside my head. My conclusions are the result of many years of research.

Autohypnosis - is self induced hypnosis.
Your "subjective" interpretations are quite possibly what you are calling your "objective" conclusions.



Each individual has the free-will option to consider, or reject what I say.
Believe in whatever you harmonize with. I listen to the beat of my own drummer....

As you should well know by now, I am one that certainly rejects what you say.
A Suggestion: You may have your own drummer change the rhythm on occasion, just to keep his beating from becoming too hypnotic.

[heyokah]

Just for the record, this was the complete post Turiya is bringing up here for some reason .




The point of this thread is to show that these Reptoid Anunnaki are still among us, and that they control every aspect of our social structure. Without listening to the earlier evidence presented within this thread, it is useless to move-on to what will be presented next:

Statue of Inanna, the daughter of Enlil:

http://goddessinspired.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/inanna-descent.jpg

Take note to the reptilian toes and the wings depicted on Enlil's daughter, Inanna.
Note:

Sorry, observer, but Inanna is not depicted with reptilian toes, but owl's feet. The owl wings are also prevalent. Also Note the two birds to the left & right - that's right - owls. But nice try.

Another thing, Inanna also has breasts. Reptilians don't have breasts. On the contrary mammals have breasts to feed milk to their offspring.



"The Sumerian word for owl is ninna and the name Nin-ninna given to the goddess in her owl form meant 'Divine Lady Owl'. The ancient texts also give the Akkadian word kilili for Nin-ninna, and this name was one shared by Innana and Ishtar. (Perhaps kilili is the original derivation of Lilith, who, much later, in biblical times, is called 'night-owl or screech-owl'."

They also note a possible connection to very ancient paleolithic (approximately 20,000 B.C.) symbols of the bird goddess.

Rafael Patai (The Hebrew Goddess 3rd ed. 1990) relates that in the Sumerian poem Gilgamesh and the Huluppu Tree, a she-demon named Lilith built her house in the Huluppu tree on the banks of the Euphrates before being routed by Gilgamesh. Patai then describes the Burney plaque:


"A Babylonian terra-cotta relief, roughly contemporary with the above poem, shows in what form Lilith was believed to appear to human eyes. She is slender, well shaped, beautiful and nude, with wings and owl-feet. She stands erect on two reclining lions which are turned away from each other and are flanked by owls. On her head she wears a cap embellished by several pairs of horns. In her hands she holds a ring and rod combination. Evidently this is no longer a lowly she-demon, but a goddess who tames wild beasts and, as shown by the owls on the reliefs, rules by night."
Source (http://analogicalplanet.com/Pages/ContentPages/Sidebars/BurneyRelief.html)


turiya :cool:

I would appreciate that you take note, turiya, in Comment #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=762151&viewfull=1#post762151) , the Inanna image was offered as a comparison to the Mothman image:



The Mothman legend is one of many contemporary legends that have a basis in eyewitness testimony:


http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/Mothman_statue_2005_zps43b745c4.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/POV_At_Exit_0/media/Mothman_statue_2005_zps43b745c4.jpg.html)

Note the reptilian toes and the wings of this contemporary statue of Mothman - just like Enlil's daughter, Inanna.

I might also add, turiya, your comment is all interesting stuff, but totally irrelevant considering this:


Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur): "The fossil record indicates that birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs [see definition below] during the Jurassic Period and, consequently, they are considered a subgroup of dinosaurs by many paleontologists.[ Some birds survived the extinction event that occurred 66 million years ago, and their descendants continue the dinosaur lineage to the present day."


Source (http://www.ehow.com/info_8467322_list-theropod-dinosaurs.html): "The theropod, or "beast-footed," dinosaurs range from small ferocious Velociraptors to the enormous Tyrannosaurus Rex. This group of dinosaurs is so diverse that many scientists believe that modern-day birds are descended from small nonflying theropods. Most theropods fall into one of two groups: Ceratosauria and Tetanurae. The Tetanurae group breaks into two classes: Carnosauria and Coelurosauria."

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/info_8467322_list-theropod-dinosaurs.html#ixzz2qVydV8xK

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/Dinosauroid_Reptoid_02_zpscd2f445f.png (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/POV_At_Exit_0/media/Dinosauroid_Reptoid_02_zpscd2f445f.png.html)


You can't get any more reptilian than that....

My (red) emphasis.

[turiya]

Just for the record, this was the complete post Turiya is bringing up here for some reason .

And an observer disciple speaks...
Neither dinosaurs nor any bird species have had breasts...LOL!!!.



Statue of Inanna, the daughter of Enlil:

http://goddessinspired.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/inanna-descent.jpg

Take note to the reptilian toes and the wings depicted on Enlil's daughter, Inanna.
Note:

Sorry, observer, but Inanna is not depicted with reptilian toes, but owl's feet. The owl wings are also prevalent. Also Note the two birds to the left & right - that's right - owls. But nice try.

Another thing, Inanna also has breasts. Reptilians don't have breasts. On the contrary mammals have breasts to feed milk to their offspring.



"The Sumerian word for owl is ninna and the name Nin-ninna given to the goddess in her owl form meant 'Divine Lady Owl'. The ancient texts also give the Akkadian word kilili for Nin-ninna, and this name was one shared by Innana and Ishtar. (Perhaps kilili is the original derivation of Lilith, who, much later, in biblical times, is called 'night-owl or screech-owl'."

They also note a possible connection to very ancient paleolithic (approximately 20,000 B.C.) symbols of the bird goddess.

Rafael Patai (The Hebrew Goddess 3rd ed. 1990) relates that in the Sumerian poem Gilgamesh and the Huluppu Tree, a she-demon named Lilith built her house in the Huluppu tree on the banks of the Euphrates before being routed by Gilgamesh. Patai then describes the Burney plaque:


"A Babylonian terra-cotta relief, roughly contemporary with the above poem, shows in what form Lilith was believed to appear to human eyes. She is slender, well shaped, beautiful and nude, with wings and owl-feet. She stands erect on two reclining lions which are turned away from each other and are flanked by owls. On her head she wears a cap embellished by several pairs of horns. In her hands she holds a ring and rod combination. Evidently this is no longer a lowly she-demon, but a goddess who tames wild beasts and, as shown by the owls on the reliefs, rules by night."
Source (http://analogicalplanet.com/Pages/ContentPages/Sidebars/BurneyRelief.html)




Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur): "The fossil record indicates that birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs [see definition below] during the Jurassic Period and, consequently, they are considered a subgroup of dinosaurs by many paleontologists.[ Some birds survived the extinction event that occurred 66 million years ago, and their descendants continue the dinosaur lineage to the present day."


Source (http://www.ehow.com/info_8467322_list-theropod-dinosaurs.html): "The theropod, or "beast-footed," dinosaurs range from small ferocious Velociraptors to the enormous Tyrannosaurus Rex. This group of dinosaurs is so diverse that many scientists believe that modern-day birds are descended from small nonflying theropods. Most theropods fall into one of two groups: Ceratosauria and Tetanurae. The Tetanurae group breaks into two classes: Carnosauria and Coelurosauria."

My (red) emphasis.

[heyokah]

Just for the record, this was the complete post Turiya is bringing up here for some reason .

And an observer disciple speaks...
Neither dinosaurs nor any bird species have had breasts...LOL!!!.

I have breast, just as Inanna .... and big ones! But what is your point?

If you quote you must quote the whole post. Not take some part out of context to suit your agenda.

[Apophenia]

Before adding my own reply into the mix here, I have taken the time to thank many posts here for certain points brought up, and then some. I wont cover it all, simply bring up relevant parts I wish to respond to as they crop up.



Yes, Avalon, please wake the hell up!

I don't mind stepping in to answer this...

I will show you the proof.
As for Reptilians - they don't exist.
Show the proof that they exist! And I don't think that all the delusionally gullible people claiming that they've experienced Reptilians is any evidence at all. If anything, it only proves that they've been disillusioned & fooled by the Annunaki into believing that they are Reptilians.

Zechariah Sitchin is ultimately responsible for at least incubating the reptilian meme in David Icke, Alex Collier, Jordan Maxwell, and everybody else using it at present. Simply put, Sitchin's work was grounded in mistranslations, quote-mining or misrepresenting ancient texts, and creating enormous claims with insufficient evidence about aliens being behind megalithic structures and civilizations. The fact Sitchin was a Free Mason is also something that has conveniently been ignored, because the Masons are implicated as being one secret society among many involved in the NWO, and their track record is far from honest or benevolent when it comes to understanding humanities ancient past.

That aside, I would agree to disagree on much of what Chris Thomas has brought up.


No worries seah, I'm happy to agree to disagree and move on if you'd rather not face reality.

The truth hurts, but eventually, one way or another, you're going to have to deal with it.

I'll only point out that your response highlighted reads as appearing quite rude and a little too self-assured in the context of what appears to be a basic exchange of differing views. Project Avalon as a website has always been a place where people can freely come in and voice any level of view that they wish, plenty of people chime-in threads where they simply state they agree with whatever the OP states and say little else, why should it be any different for those who disagree?



A great number of the Avalon Community believe the hypnotic mantra that, "if only one focuses on Happy Thoughts, one will create a new reality". This technique may have some effect on one's personal life, however, it has little or no effect on the Common Reality of Humanity. Throughout the historic record, it has never had any effect on the Common Reality.

While I agree there is too much of that around on alternative community websites, I would advise that its best not to be the person who embarks on the idea that if someone rejects a fear-driven worldview, then they must be living in denial or living in la-la land. In this context, it can read as a straw man argument, and a false dichotomy.



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add:

Regarding what betoobig had to say, did anyone go to the link offered in comment #30? (here) (http://in5d.com/reptilians-and-the-council-of-13-2/)

Take the time and read what Stewart Swerdlow has to say about the bloodlines that control this reality. What he is reporting has been going-on since great antiquity. How do a few members, believing only in Happy Thoughts, think they are going to put an end to this obscenity?

One's energies would be better spent on figuring-out how to get out of this matrix we are all eternally trapped within.

Research Reference:

"The Thirteen Bloodlines of the Illuminati": http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/index.htm

Interestingly, Stewart Swerdlow is related to Yakov Sverdlov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Sverdlov); a political leader in what became known as the USFR, or the Soviet Union. These bloodthirsty thugs managed to pull off a feat unprecedented in Russian history, that is to kill a number of people to a magnitude that was several times higher than Tsar Nicholas' family could have hoped in their wildest dreams, or any ruler has in its past, including Genghis Khan.

Now while I don't believe in the son having to suffer the sins of the father, as that is a very biblical notion, if people here ascribe a universal or species-level of blame to the ruling elite, or their claimed ET overlords; then not only does this narrative build itself up from potential liars, but people related to famous murderers and genocidal maniacs who are also claimed to have been put in place by the illuminati.

Wrap your head around that.


Mythology is not what it has been represented. Mythology is an accurate description of historic events in great antiquity expressed in the best linguistic interpretations of the time.

Could you expand on the mythological aspect, or at least point to a relevant thread/information? I am aware of what many here claim is in Gnostic texts, though that is one dimension relegated to one area of the totality of human mythology across the globe.

I would genuinely like to hear your take on this in the grand scheme of things. All I get is bits and pieces that appear to be all over the shop, or don't exactly mesh together appropriately.


For millennia there has been an hyperdimensional control mechanism synthetically tampering with the Mass Consciousness of Humanity using artificially implanted thought technology (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85728-ET-and-Black-Project-Tech-AI-Omnisense-w-Alfred-Lambremont-Webre&p=1005820&viewfull=1#post1005820). The greater majority of Humanity's Mass Consciousness has been subtly directed this way since the Dawn of Man. The only way to change the Mass Consciousness of Humanity is to have a majority of humanity all thinking in a similar fashion. How much effect does a small number of individuals thinking only Happy Thoughts have on the Mass Consciousness? The technique is an intentionally mis-directed focus.


With another Total Restart looming in the near future, it's time those among us who "get it", to begin considering an exit strategy from this matrix in which we are trapped.

In your view, how exactly would that be possible on leaving?

I'll at least credit you here in these replies, in that you are far more consistent in your overall worldview about what would actually need to be done if such 'hyperdimensional/extradimensional/transdimensional' beings ruled our reality, because there would be nothing one could do, but make your peace with that reality and leave it.

Too many people rely on the argument of something more powerful and benevolent will save us when if that was the case, we wouldn't be in this scenario to begin with.

Just to clarify, I am not stating what I find to be preferable, only following the logic of where this stuff leads.


There are billions of other realities within the complexity of the multiverse where Happy Thoughts prevail.

Well... we can agree to disagree here, but a reality predicated on one wavelength sounds like a New Age, cosmic version of Christian heaven, which to some appears all too much like hell.


This reality exists to contain those who belong here. Stop believing you can, or should make a change to it....

If it is true as you say, then definitely.

I'd be delighted if you could also point me in the direction of the other point you made about a group of ETs out at the Kuiper belt. Sounds interesting enough.


My (red) emphasis.

Any scientist worth their weight will tell you that evolutionary theory working here does not mean it works the same way elsewhere, not to mention that birds are not the only species who evolved from reptiles on this planet; almost every land-based species did, including humanity.

Even on this planet, you can find examples of where evolution does something completely unexpected, such as whales having common ancestors with wolves, etc... and if this law is applied on a universal scale, you can get virtually anything coming out of it, including a species who may evolve in another world who have similar traits to any species here, without sharing any DNA or even the same chemical base that makes up said life form. Anything goes, basically... though just because it can happen, doesn't mean it has happened. This difference is the kind that differentiates credulity from objective, scientific evidence.

If we are to accept the logic put forward, then you would also have to conclude on that level of evidence that we are reptilian then, which would have severe and radical implications on the ideas put fourth.

I may add a side-note to the Troodon part on the end of your post, as it was done by a scientist engaging in a hypothetical scenario on what an intelligent dinosauroid species would look like if it managed to survive and/or evolve when the dinosaurs were wiped out. His model came under scrutiny by other scientists for appearing too human-like, because it is incredibly implausible that a species who may evolve on our world has to automatically be upright, bipedal, possess a human-shaped skull, or be roughly our height in order to become intelligent and civilized. Each of these alone has a variability on it that throws the likelihood of that particular outcome happening as highly unlikely, though not impossible.

[bettye198]

I have to ask if Detroit was an experiment, a testing ground to see how far depravity could go to squash humanity. They removed the corporations, the American car business and then the poor got poorer.

[observer]

click-on the forwarding icon to see Apophenia's comment #58.

Thank you Apophenia for your diplomatic rejection of the hypothesis being presented. You're asking me to spend precious time explaining points that can be easily found by simply following the years of comments I've made, here on this website. My campaign has remained consistent, and nearly every one, of the over 1,500 comments I've made here, in nearly 6 years of posting, are well documented with links to sources. [hint: follow my "Started Threads" option]

I will say, I disagree with your analysis of Zechariah Sitchin's work. This debate has many supporters, as well as detractors. The debate over Stichin's translations all center around his interpretations regarding ancient alien involvement. Apparently, if one translates text using any other interpretation than the orthodox prescribed formula, one's translations are attacked by every sort of orthodox translator. This leaves no room for alternate ideas, that could shatter the established paradigm. Throughout the historic record, mistranslated text has led to the current state of our Common Reality. So, I strongly disagree with that part of your comment.

Sitchin's work may, or may not have any connection to a Masonic Agenda. Jordan Maxwell, a close associate of Sitchin, was also a close friend of Manly P. Hall as well. Much valuable information has been given by Jordan Maxwell. Would you also condem his research because of who he knew?

The same goes for Stewart Swerdlow. It appears to be "guilt-by-association" here as well.

To all commenting:
Avalon is a place where Whistle-Blowers are welcome to share their experiences. It takes great courage to stand-up against the machine. It saddens me to see individuals brave enough to make an exposé against established ideologies treated the way certain members have come into this thread and behaved.

If you reject the hypothesis, than I invite you to let it lay.

[observer]

I have to ask if Detroit was an experiment, a testing ground to see how far depravity could go to squash humanity. They removed the corporations, the American car business and then the poor got poorer.

An exercise in globalization - gone mad....

[Apophenia]

No problem.

The time taken to plow through these narratives is also highly time consuming, and it can read as an invitation down a path where one will not be appreciated, compromised with, or even subsequently attacked. In my experience on debating any given subject on forums, that has been the common theme, irrespective of what is discussed. In areas where the topic is familiar territory, this is all too easy an outcome.

While I don't want to give the impression of being black and white about what I put forward, i.e; that I am automatically rejecting Sitchin and others because of their secret society connections, I am more stating that the people claimed to be whistleblowers appear to be engaging in the spreading of possible disinformation or being connected with agencies that do this for a living, also appears too much like something overlooked in a narrative where having a connection to certain groups means they could be shills, plants, or misinformers of one strip or another. I'm not espousing convictions, merely highlighting ambiguities where necessary... and it appears that people are quick to believe something on one side of the equation, and not the other; AKA confirmation bias.

If Sitchin is at least on the right path, which is where all these claims sprung fourth; then it invites the reader to ponder the looming plausibility that all of human civilization, irrespective of what it is; would be the construction of non-human entities who could only be described as being amoral, and we were always the minor party in this exchange. Any benevolent group trying to claim a conflict or credit for the positive side only, immediately begins to look like controlled opposition, or at least failing to pass the Epicurean paradox, where 'God' is replaced by 'omnipotent good ETs' who appear to be deceivers, slackers, or collaborators in one respect or another.

May even be plausible that the physical planet we're standing on was subtly crafted by a being who's very nature and capabilities are forever elusive and unable to be ascertained; yet appear amoral. Consider the signature I am using, quoted in full:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=31799&cid=1&stc=1

Cosmicism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmicism) as a literary idea was well ahead of its time, and in this context it appears an inescapable conclusion. We may well be dealing with a cosmic predator (Demiurge) who arose out of a far harsher part of reality than we did, and our role may be more accidental or for an unpleasant, temporary purpose. The image of an old man descending from the heavens may have been a disguise, because the actual appearance may be more terrifying or even destructive to behold.

If this is true, escape may only be possible on the terms of these entities.

I'm now being reminded of those conversations where its stated "you need to make peace with the establishment / God" which made me burst out in laughter IRL. The basis of creation and its many onion layers are more profound than was initially thought. :bigsmile:

[observer]

I must apologize Apophinia.

In my first reading of your comment #58 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86134-Wake-Up-Avalon....&p=1018850&viewfull=1#post1018850). I had interpreted a rejection of the premise of this exposé.

The conclusions I've come to are void of any influence from the popular culture, therefore, I'm unfamiliar with Lovecraft's work. From what you've disclosed, it appears Lovecraft came to nearly the same conclusions.


Even with a cursory review of the record, one will have an epiphany: "that we've been lied to".
From this result, it isn't a great step to hypothesize that there's a macabre agenda behind the lying; for what other purpose does one create an agenda of deception?
From that, all one need do, is begin an examination of the obvious: the discovery of the mechanisms involved.
Simply stated, this is the purpose of this mission.

Few will resonate with what is being said. Tearing-down the walls of one's ideologies is never easy; especially when the antagonist is entrenched in dogma.

[observer]

turiya, my brother,

You are so lost in your delusion that you don't even recognize when you are personally attacking another member.

A long time ago, I was tricked, by another member, into making a comment in your thread, An Update On Our Evolution by Chris Thomas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas). Perhaps you've noticed that I've Never Returned!

It would be most harmonious if you would take your diatribe back to your Chris Thomas Thread, where those members who subscribe to that sort of delusion would most appreciate it.

Thank you - observer

[turiya]

Well Thanks, Observer, for the thread bump.

I can present an opposing view to a message presented on any thread on this forum.
Its the way ideas can be exchanged. The give & take of ideas is a good thing.
It keeps the energy in motion, and keeps a thread from being too stagnated. I would have thought that you would appreciate the added dynamic flow.

If the message you are attempting to convey is so deeply-rooted in truth, then why be so worried about a bothersome little gnat coming in and buzzing about the place?

But as it is, you are very much identified with your own message, to the extent that nobody can challenge your Reptilian diatribe, because you take it as a personal attack on your person.
Maybe just try a little deep breathing exercise. As nothing lasts forever.
And just perhaps, this little gnat will find some other head to buzz around, as even gnats are in search of something.




But what I sense in this question of yours is that are trying to make what I've said into a personal attack on your person, just like observer has tried to do. Nice try, but it just doesn't work! I guess you can say: "Like master observer, like disciple."

turiya, my brother,

You are so lost in your delusion that you don't even recognize when you are personally attacking another member.

A long time ago, I was tricked, by another member, into making a comment in your thread, An Update On Our Evolution by Chris Thomas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas). Perhaps you've noticed that I've Never Returned!

It would be most harmonious if you would take your diatribe back to your Chris Thomas Thread, where those members who subscribe to this type of delusion would most appreciate it.

Thank you - observer

[turiya]

I have to ask if Detroit was an experiment, a testing ground to see how far depravity could go to squash humanity. They removed the corporations, the American car business and then the poor got poorer.

An exercise in globalization - gone mad....

Well, I am absolutely with you on this, observer.

The downfall of Detroit automaker machinery was due to their own greed. "Fat & Sassy" are fitting descriptors for the fat cats in charge. Overly confident, thinking that the world was theirs & to keep filling their pockets.

But when the stomach gets too full, then more blood is needed to help with the digestion. That blood is taken out of the brain & put elsewhere. With the focus on gaining as much wealth as one can, the intuitive senses are dulled. Hence, the fat boys on top of the car industry were too preoccupied with their bloated bank accounts to see the oncoming onslaught of the foreign car makers.

The bigger impact was that the auto makers, lying in bed with the oil companies, conspired to prevent the Amtrak rail system from developing. Imagine, this vast country of America not having a speed rail system. Go to Japan, it is quite easy to get around that country via bullet trains, rail system & buses. The same can be said for Europe.

The auto companies got what they deserved - and I don't mean the bailouts that they received. They should have been allowed to go bankrupt, it would have served them right. It is the consequences of mankind's own undoing. Has nothing to do with Draco Reps, everything to do with greed - a psychological disorder related to the idea of not having enough. Yes, the root cause is greed.

In most things you have to look for the root cause... take poverty for example...
Poverty is not the root, greed is the root. Poverty is the outcome. You go on fighting with poverty – nothing will happen. Greed is the root; the greed has to be uprooted. War is not the problem, individual aggressiveness is the problem – war is just the total. You go on doing protest marches, and war is not going to be stopped.

You can enjoy protesting; it does not make much difference – war goes on. And if you look at these protesters you will see these are very aggressive people – you will not see peace on their faces. They are ready to fight. Peace-protest marches any moment turn into riots. These are aggressive people – in the name of peace they are showing their aggression. They are ready to fight: if the have power, if they have the atom bomb, they will drop the atom bomb to create peace. That’s what all politicians say – they say they are fighting for peace. Unbelievable - insanity at it worst.

The problem is not war, the problem is inner aggression in individuals. People are not at ease with themselves, hence war has to exist – otherwise these people will go mad.

Each decade a great war is needed to unburden humanity of its neurosis. You may be surprised to know that in the First World War, psychologists became aware of a very rare, strange phenomenon. When the war continued, suddenly the proportion of people who used to go mad fell almost to nil. Suicides were not committed, murders were not done, and people even stopped from going mad. That was strange – what has that to do with war? Maybe murders are not done because murderers have gone to the army, but what happened to people who commit suicide? Maybe they have also joined the army, but then what happened to people who go mad? – they have even stopped going mad? And then again in the Second World War the same thing happened, in a greater proportion; and then the link was known, the association.

Humanity goes on accumulating a certain quantity of neurosis, madness: each decade, it needs to be thrown out. So when there is war – war means when humanity has gone mad as a whole – then there is no need to go mad privately; what is the point? All are mad – then there is no point in trying to become mad privately. When one nation is murdering another, and there is so much suicide and murder, what is the point of doing these things on your own? You can simply look at the TV and enjoy, you can read it in the papers and have the thrill.

The problem is not war, the problem is individual neurosis.

[observer]

Earlier in the thread, one of the members asked for links to my suppositions. How does one link a lifetime of research?

I did some digging into my library and came-up with one trail of evidence well worth the journey. Please feel free to follow all the links one will discover at this page. Any pilgrim interested in discovery should find this worthy, although I doubt, those among us, immersed in the dogma of their belief systems, will even bother:

"Death and the Tunnel of Light:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_conscioushumanenergy41.htm

[Trust me, this journey is most-related to the Waking-Up Theme of this thread]

[observer]

To turiya's comment #67, one comment back ^^^^

Well spoken turiya. We finely agree on something.

Your comments read much like the pugnacious college student who just got on the bus, orating before a captive audience. Everything you say, here in this most recent comment, is old news, the subject of which has been the focus of many threads, here on Avalon, over a long period of time.

The theme of this exposé, here in this thread, is regarding an awakening to a topic very few investigators are speaking of. This is a cutting-edge awakening. Few will harmonize with the theme. Old ideologies are difficult to shed.

I most appreciate informed comments. Since this awakening being discussed here, is contrary to the belief systems of a good number of the Avalon Members, some foundational research would be appropriate prior to making comments.

Here are some research references to support the Awakening Theme of this thread. I list just a few:

"ET and Black Project Tech/AI ~ Omnisense w/ Alfred Lambremont Webre (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85728-ET-and-Black-Project-Tech-AI-Omnisense-w-Alfred-Lambremont-Webre)"

"One Ring to rule them all.... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84437-One-Ring-to-rule-them-all....)"

"Artificial Intelligence, High Technology and Robots: the Salvation or Damnation of Humanity? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86632-Artificial-Intelligence-High-Technology-and-Robots-the-Salvation-or-Damnation-of-Humanity) "

The Common Reality of Humanity has been systematically manipulated using advanced Artificial Telepathic Technology since the creation of our species. This manipulation has been directed by an hyperdimensional [extra-dimensional] species capable of technologies far beyond the imagination of the smartest among us. Some of these technologies have fallen into the hands of the Global Elite, and are now tools available to them.

Take the time and educate yourselves to these possibilities, before putting all your faith in the words of Channeled Sources.


"Intelligence is present at birth, wisdom comes with age" - old proverb

[turiya]

Thanks for your initial comment, observer.

Funny how it goes.
The more that you say, the less I agree with you...
Words are often used to hide one's own ignorance.

I can only imagine... that if we would find ourselves in the same room together, not saying anything,
we just may be in total agreement. :silent:




To turiya's comment #67, one comment back ^^^^

Well spoken turiya. We finely agree on something.

Your comments read much like the pugnacious college student who just got on the bus, orating before a captive audience. Everything you say, here in this most recent comment, is old news, the subject of which has been the focus of many threads, here on Avalon, over a long period of time.

The theme of this exposé, here in this thread, is regarding an awakening to a topic very few investigators are speaking of. This is a cutting-edge awakening. Few will harmonize with the theme. Old ideologies are difficult to shed.

I most appreciate informed comments. Since this awakening being discussed here, is contrary to the belief systems of a good number of the Avalon Members, some foundational research would be appropriate prior to making comments.

Here are some research references to support the Awakening Theme of this thread. I list just a few:

"ET and Black Project Tech/AI ~ Omnisense w/ Alfred Lambremont Webre (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85728-ET-and-Black-Project-Tech-AI-Omnisense-w-Alfred-Lambremont-Webre)"

"One Ring to rule them all.... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84437-One-Ring-to-rule-them-all....)"

"Artificial Intelligence, High Technology and Robots: the Salvation or Damnation of Humanity? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86632-Artificial-Intelligence-High-Technology-and-Robots-the-Salvation-or-Damnation-of-Humanity) "

The Common Reality of Humanity has been systematically manipulated using advanced Artificial Telepathic Technology since the creation of our species. This manipulation has been directed by an hyperdimensional [extra-dimensional] species capable of technologies far beyond the imagination of the smartest among us. Some of these technologies have fallen into the hands of the Global Elite, and are now tools available to them.

Take the time and educate yourselves to these possibilities, before putting all your faith in the words of Channeled Sources.


"Intelligence is present at birth, wisdom comes with age" - old proverb

[observer]

The possibility still exists that I can salvage this thread from the disruption of interlopers-with-little-understanding, who seem bound and determined to silence any disclosure of revelation. There still remains, both members and guests, those who are interested in what this thread is all about, excluding the disrespect of members who disagree with the theme.

Revisiting comment #68 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86134-Wake-Up-Avalon....&p=1019126&viewfull=1#post1019126), I offer a few more links from the journey that was proposed:

"The Gatekeeper" - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons57.htm

Another excellent source of information, filled with links of relevance to the Wake-Up Theme of this thread.

[Be sure to visit and explore the "Matrix Index".]

[jaybee]

.


this thread looks like fun - - - :unsure:


can I play..?...:idea:


can we laugh at ourselves..?...this video cracks me up..


quote...

I can't wait to be the King of the World.

Yeah, so what's the plan when we've killed them all?

We all jerk off to the power we've obtained.

Oh yeah, sorry. I forgot our mission was so mind numbingly retarded.

end quote


I kind of thought this fitted in with the elite winning - like - winning what?


_02fCIMDjFY


:P

[heyokah]

[....snip]

Revisiting comment #68 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86134-Wake-Up-Avalon....&p=1019126&viewfull=1#post1019126), I offer a few more links from the journey that was proposed:

"The Gatekeeper" - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons57.htm

Another excellent source of information, filled with links of relevance to the Wake-Up Theme of this thread.

[Be sure to visit and explore the "Matrix Index".]

Thanks, that's a good article, with not only information about 'the parasitical, spiritual hit-man of our species', but also with a brief solution....

Here's the link to the "Matrix Index', the Matrix game (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_matrix.htm)

From "The Gatekeeper" article:

"Many of us still believe that direct action and confrontation with the status quo, can facilitate change for the betterment of all.

But nothing has changed since time began. Humanity is still selfish, brutal and unthinking, and nothing will change in this abyss of opposites, for our reality is a construct governed by the parasitical ego mind.

We can point to this or that success but taking the world as a whole, it has never been so satanic, polluted and debased."

------

"Humanities problem is the gatekeeper, the parasitical, spiritual hit-man of our species. The Watcher at the threshold of our immortality. The fearful ego 'I', that keeps us locked into the abyss, and the game of 'us and them'.

The Watcher is the servant of the enemy of life, and the third dimension is its playground."

.....

"It is the chattering voice of distraction, the guard at the gate that leads to the All, the reptilian implant that has usurped our divinity. Only the foolish think the Law of Duality: The Law of Polarity can change. There can be no utopia in duality, in the world of the predator there is only "I", me and mine.

Human beings are all action and reaction [duality] and the way the game is rigged, we pile up energetic debt that draws us back life after life into the brutal game of the abyss. The pendulum swings back and forth, age after age, and man the farm animal comes out of the caves and goes back in… ad infinitum and ad nauseam.

We don't realize we have a mind parasite, and the cause of the problems in the world are energetic.

The conflict is spiritual, and the manifested world is a reflection of ourselves; our impostor consciousness of hereditary entitlement to scar and rape the living world."

-------

"Once we leave the energy of the 'game of us and them' and take our power back, with vigilance and introspection, we can overcome the parasitical dictates of the reptile mind."

.....

In the quietude of mind when the storm is no more, we will once again be sovereign, and realize That We Are The All. Then when we act upon reality, we have clarity, and the power of the multiverse behind us to affect the frequency of our world.

This is the way of the warrior magician."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons57.htm

[heyokah]

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:P

Funny, but don't forget, in 1967, the CIA created the label "Conspiracy Theorists", to attack anyone who challenges the "official" narrative.....


Conspiracy Theorists USED TO Be Accepted As Normal

Democracy and free market capitalism were founded on conspiracy theories.

The Magna Carta, the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and other founding Western documents were based on conspiracy theories. Greek democracy and free market capitalism were also based on conspiracy theories.

But those were the bad old days …Things have now changed.

Read more :
(http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge)
Or this:
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-cias-invention-of-the-conspiracy-theorist-smear-campaign-to-discredit-dissenters/5403876)

[RunningDeer]

This is what the Global Elite are doing - among so many other things - while we endlessly debate our Hopes and Dreams….
…It's about what they are planning to do to the Human Race at CERN.

Here’s a one minute visual of what the Global Elite are doing all over the planet.


Magnetopause and CERN - November 15 2015
ELPuUCA3GnM

Published on Nov 15, 2015
This is the Earth's Magnetopause on Nov 15th, 2015- I have set the time lapse to show the time stamp when CERN fired off it's first Lead Particle bunches.

For more information go to: Paris, CERN and Earth's Geomagetic field (http://www.un****ersunite.com/removing-the-shackles/paris-cern-and-earths-geomagetic-field)

[observer]

^^^^
Thank you Running Deer. I've been alerting the membership to this Distortion-In-The-Magnetosphere-Related-To-CERN Issue in several threads. (begin reading, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29825-Sun-Stuff-What-s-up-&p=1018486&viewfull=1#post1018486) and read thru to, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29825-Sun-Stuff-What-s-up-&p=1018658&viewfull=1#post1018658)), and also, (begin reading, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77253-Should-Humanity-Be-Con-CERN-ed&p=1017889&viewfull=1#post1017889)). This CERN-generated-phenomenon is most assuredly related to the Global Master Agenda.

There's no doubt it's all related to a Master Plan of Depopulation that appears to be moving-forward, unchecked - while so many of the Masses chant mantras of, "everything's going to be O.K."

Jim Marrs is one of our most respected researchers, dealing only in objective trails of evidence. I've been a subscriber to Jim's work since the early "Cross-Fire" days. Anything Jim has to say, I take the time to listen.

I offer this latest Jim Marrs interview relating directly to the theme of this thread - Wake-Up Avalon!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJmuqh2ztiY

[turiya]

Living Hell


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTa51lIB8g8

[observer]

^^^^
turiya,

Your continued nuisance comments conjure-up images of the spoiled child demanding candy from his mother, in a check-out line at a Walmart store.

You've already been asked nicely to take it somewhere else.

[turiya]

turiya,

You've already been asked nicely to take it somewhere else.

Must have missed the "asked nicely" part of what you've written.
Because, all that I've seen in your writings is only belittling jabs in an attempt to rise upon a 'more learned-than-though' platform.

One should keep handy their sense of humor, is what is suggested. As it is what distinguishes a human being from the horizontal life of an animal.


Seriousness is illness; seriousness has nothing spiritual about it. Spirituality is laughter, spirituality is joy, spirituality is fun.

If you can laugh when you are ill you will get your health back sooner. If you cannot laugh, even if you are healthy, sooner or later you will lose your health and you will become ill.

Laughter brings some energy from your inner source to your surface. Energy starts flowing, follows laughter like a shadow. Have you watched it? When you really laugh, for those few moments you are in a deep meditative state. Thinking stops. It is impossible to laugh and think together. They are diametrically opposite: either you can laugh or you can think. If you really laugh, thinking stops. If you are still thinking, laughter will be just so-so, it will be just so-so, lagging behind. It will be a crippled laughter.

When you really laugh, suddenly mind disappears. And the whole Zen methodology is how to get into no-mind. And laughter is one of the doors that will open to get to it. A state of deep relaxation.

Try it some time. You might like it.

[observer]

....and the offensive continues.


"The flak is always heaviest, right over the target" - military axiom

[turiya]

click-on the forwarding icon to see Apophenia's comment #58.

Zechariah Sitchin is ultimately responsible for at least incubating the reptilian meme in David Icke, Alex Collier, Jordan Maxwell, and everybody else using it at present. Simply put, Sitchin's work was grounded in mistranslations, quote-mining or misrepresenting ancient texts, and creating enormous claims with insufficient evidence about aliens being behind megalithic structures and civilizations. The fact Sitchin was a Free Mason is also something that has conveniently been ignored, because the Masons are implicated as being one secret society among many involved in the NWO, and their track record is far from honest or benevolent when it comes to understanding humanities ancient past.


Thank you Apophenia for your diplomatic rejection of the hypothesis being presented. You're asking me to spend precious time explaining points that can be easily found by simply following the years of comments I've made, here on this website. My campaign has remained consistent, and nearly every one, of the over 1,500 comments I've made here, in nearly 6 years of posting, are well documented with links to sources. [hint: follow my "Started Threads" option]

I will say, I disagree with your analysis of Zechariah Sitchin's work. This debate has many supporters, as well as detractors. The debate over Stichin's translations all center around his interpretations regarding ancient alien involvement. Apparently, if one translates text using any other interpretation than the orthodox prescribed formula, one's translations are attacked by every sort of orthodox translator. This leaves no room for alternate ideas, that could shatter the established paradigm. Throughout the historic record, mistranslated text has led to the current state of our Common Reality. So, I strongly disagree with that part of your comment.

Sitchin's work may, or may not have any connection to a Masonic Agenda. Jordan Maxwell, a close associate of Sitchin, was also a close friend of Manly P. Hall as well. Much valuable information has been given by Jordan Maxwell. Would you also condem his research because of who he knew?


So, observer, you would not attribute Jordan Maxwell to also being a part of the pushing of the Zecharia Sitchin / Reptilian meme?

Please note: Jordan Maxwell said on his Project Camelot interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJKue2Ff6o#t=1h43m20s) that he knew of certain inside information about Zecharia Sitchin. Kerry Cassidy pressed him to come out with this information, but he refused to come forth and say exactly what it was. I would say that Jordan Maxwell definitely played a part in covering up what he knew about Zecharia Sitchin's channeling of information.

With respect, Bill Ryan had posted what he was told by Jordan Maxwell, that Zecharia Sitchin actually was having some help with the translations of the Sumerian cuneiform tablets via receiving channeled messages through the method of automatic writing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing).

Here is a recent quote (from one of the Shane threads) by BR in response to a comment I made regarding Jordan Maxwell's hidden secret regarding Zecharia Sitchin's receiving help with his translation through channeled messages. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85125-Shane-The-Ruiner-s-interview-with-Kerry-Cassidy-8-Sept-2015&p=1000768&viewfull=1#post1000768)Channeled messages received directly from an Annunaki entity!





Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy were both told by a close associate of Zecharia Sitchin's (looks like this could very well be the one & only Jordan Maxwell), and that Zecharia Sitchin did not actually translate the Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets, but was fed that information from an Annunaki entity through the method of channeling known as Automatic Writing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing). Source found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55543-The-Anunnaki-their-history-on-earth-where-are-they-today&p=632871&viewfull=1#post632871).



I confirm that.

(Note: I was told this personally, btw, in 2010. Kerry was not there at that time.)

A clarification, however. It's not that Sitchin didn't translate anything. He did know Sumerian, and he wasn't just taking dictation. :)

But when translating an ancient text, there are so many nuances and unknowns that each time he encountered something that wasn't very clear, or in which the context was ambiguous, that's when he got his 'interpretative advice'.

In my own words: Sitchin took the original text, did the best academic translation he could, and then it was 'spun'.

This doesn't imply any deception on Sitchin's part. I believe he felt he was being 'assisted'. But in my very strong personal opinion, not everything in Sitchin's books can be taken as factual.

With the above, I would submit that any & all information received through channeled messages would in itself be highly suspect of being rooted in any kind of truth, especially if the source were to come from the Annunaki, themselves.

In his original posted message, BR does suggest that Sitchin was provided with a stipend from the NSA to provide what he knew regarding the Annunaki.


We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time.

In other words, Sitchin was paid (by the NSA) to receive channeled messages (via automatic writing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing)).

One could only see that anything that Sitchin had written regarding his translation is highly suspect of having any legitimacy, let alone the notion that his work has any scientific base. But this is exactly what most "believers" & writers of their own books tend to do - claim Sitchin's work as scientific fact!

Absurd, to say the least.

Bill Ryan wrote (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55543-The-Anunnaki-their-history-on-earth-where-are-they-today&p=632871&viewfull=1#post632871)):

"According to Zecharia Sitchin (recently passed) - who 'translated' many ancient Sumerian texts - and whose work has been dismissed by conventional archeologists but widely accepted among the alternative community - one reason the Anunnaki came to Planet Earth was to mine gold, which they had a strong desire for and attributed a great deal of value and importance to. It's possible that our own love and value and fascination for gold in the present day is a throwback to the attitude introduced by the Anunnaki.

One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true." (Underlined emphasis is mine.)

Bill Ryan
Project Avalon
April 2011


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The following video would seemingly bring down the hammer onto any information that individuals are using to justify whatever had come from the Zecharia Sitchin translations or found within any of his books.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wWxqXashBo

[RunningDeer]

Post deleted. Off topic.

[observer]

Bill Ryan - "(Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true." - emphasis by observer

Although very interesting, I don't particularly see the significance of how these Sitchin revelations have any effect on the exposé of this thread, other than this thread is about "Waking-Up". It has long been a foundational assertion that, "we have been lied to".

You've gone to great lengths, truyia, to show how the controversy over Sitchin's work is more than his "Alien Interpretation", which is so objected to by orthodoxy, as I had earlier asserted.

Discovering there is also a "channeled element" involved, only makes me wonder why you would want to use this aspect as any support to your argument that Chris Thomas' channeled material is any more accurate than what Sitchin was reporting. Other than you seem determined to prove me wrong, which only suggests some sort of vendetta.

Thank you for your comment.

[turiya]

Bill Ryan - "(Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true." - emphasis by observer

Although very interesting, I don't particularly see the significance of how these Sitchin revelations have any effect on the exposé of this thread, other than this thread is about "Waking-Up". It has long been a foundational assertion that, "we have been lied to".

You've gone to great lengths, truyia, to show how the controversy over Sitchin's work is more than his "Alien Interpretation", which is so objected to by orthodoxy, as I had earlier asserted.

Discovering there is also a "channeled element" involved, only makes me wonder why you would want to use this aspect as any support to your argument that Chris Thomas' channeled material is any more accurate than what Sitchin was reporting. Other than you seem determined to prove me wrong, which only suggests some sort of vendetta.

Thank you for your comment.

Observer

You seem to have an unconscious motivation to take anything that is said by me & make it into a Chris Thomas affair.

Note: It is entirely your "belief" that CT gets his information from channeling entities. This is not true. He has categorically said that he doesn't get his information from external guides or entities. His claim is that he was born with a "hard-wire" connection to the Akashic.

You are the one that seems to have a fetish regarding channeled material.

I submit the following video as an example of how some of the ancients received some profound information.


The Art of Knowing


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG-P94UaN6s

[observer]

This has gone-on far enough, turiya.

I object, you have consistently misrepresented my intentions. Throughout our several years of interaction, I have consistently stated my position regarding objective evidence vs. subjective testimonies. My "obsession" is with objective evidence, not against channeled material, as you are construing.

This is a website where, "science and spirituality meet". No orthodox scientist will ever look at any presentation that includes subjective testimonies. That's why I reject Chris Thomas' speculations.

Additionally, please enlighten the membership as to how Artificial Telepathy (channeling) differs in any way form a claim to being "hard-wired-into-the-Akashic-Records". It's all subject to Artificial Manipulation.

[Sierra]

Turiya has been sent on a two month vacation.

I am unsure how much to clean up this thread...

Any suggestions Observer?

[observer]

Avalon is a learning experience for all of us. I recall a time, in my early days here on the website, when my comments could have been construed as obnoxious by some of the members. Heck, there are even today, those members who find my comments offensive. I try my best to be civil about it, however.

When a member makes slanderous accusations, and then denies the tone of his actions, then it's time to put an end to it. Thank you Sierra, for intervening on behalf of those members who were truly offended by his comments.

I advised you in a Private Message what comment to delete. I'm in favor of allowing the remaining exchanges between myself and turiya to remain as a testament to how a member should not act.

[Clear Light]

Turiya has been sent on a two month vacation

That seems a bit harsh to me, wouldn't a warning have sufficed ?


I am unsure how much to clean up this thread...

Why not leave it as it is, as an example for future Contretemps ?

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Note : I'm still the new kid on the block so-to-speak so perhaps my understanding of P.A. Forum Etiquette is incomplete thus far :yield:

[Sierra]

Turiya has been sent on a two month vacation

That seems a bit harsh to me, wouldn't a warning have sufficed ?

Apparently not. :facepalm:

The two month vacation is standard length once a member has sequentially run through the usual one day/three days/one week/two weeks/one month vacation cycle... (Sometimes we come down faster depending on the severity of the offense. Turiya due to persistent rudeness, has already worked his way through a one month vacation previously.)


I am unsure how much to clean up this thread...


Why not leave it as it is, as an example for future Contretemps ?

Per Observer's request, I deleted one post insulting another member.


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Note : I'm still the new kid on the block so-to-speak so perhaps my understanding of P.A. Forum Etiquette is incomplete thus far :yield:

No problem. :)

If you read the guidelines, you will understand where Turiya crossed the line...

Sierra

[heyokah]

This is a critical time for humanity.

To get everything back on track again on this thread, I will ask attention for someone whose mission is to wake-up humanity to the atrocities of the powers in control and to free them from the claws of the few, powerful self-serving "ruling class"

This is Ole Dammegård's presentation "Light on Conspiracies – how they are all connected" , given at the Open Mind Conference 2014.

He is an author, inventor, former journalist and investigator, who has dedicated the last 30 years of his life to researching many of the global conspiracies.

His main focus has been to find out the truth about the assassinations of the Swedish Prime minister Olof Palme, JFK, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon and Lady Di, plus the terror attacks of 911, Oklahoma City and the Boston Marathon etc.

Ole Dammegård has discovered strong links between them all and has come to the conclusion that the same people were involved in both the JFK and Olof Palme murders, as well as many of the other major “events”.

The same Global Elite seem to have used the same skilled mechanics for decades to do their dirty jobs.


Ole Dammegård has been a guest on many programmes, including The People’s Voice, Red Ice Creations, Project Camelot and Veritas Radio.


"These are scary times to not wake up"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueVMZMh-pqw

A good one to awake your sleeping, ignorant friends as well....

[Clear Light]

Turiya has been sent on a two month vacation

That seems a bit harsh to me, wouldn't a warning have sufficed ?

Apparently not. :facepalm:

The two month vacation is standard length once a member has sequentially run through the usual one day/three days/one week/two weeks/one month vacation cycle... (Sometimes we come down faster depending on the severity of the offense. Turiya due to persistent rudeness, has already worked his way through a one month vacation previously.)


I am unsure how much to clean up this thread...


Why not leave it as it is, as an example for future Contretemps ?

Per Observer's request, I deleted one post insulting another member.


. : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : . : .

Note : I'm still the new kid on the block so-to-speak so perhaps my understanding of P.A. Forum Etiquette is incomplete thus far :yield:

No problem. :)

If you read the guidelines, you will understand where Turiya crossed the line...

Sierra

Ah, I guess I can't have read that one, thanks :)

[heyokah]

Excellent analysis with a brief summary in the beginning for the ones that haven't followed the Paris event much.

"In a tour de force analysis of the Friday 13th False Flag synthetic terror operation, author Ole Dammegard once again deconstructs an organized intelligence operations group that carries out False Flag operations employing crisis actors using a methodology very much like film crews at a movie set.

This False Flag Group attempts to drive global policy using the now out-dated formula Problem + Reaction = Solution."


Ole Dammegard gives his view, to Alfred Webber:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN89lVPkli0#t=363

I posted this video before I watched it, but, let me tell you, he's picking all kinds of holes in the official story !

[Shannon]

This was an important thread in my opinion, not that my opinion means anything though lol.

You don't have to believe in reptilians or the anunaki to believe that we've been lied to. And they arent cute white lies meant to protect us, they are lies that have changed the path of our evolution and our true selves. The amount of control put upon our everyday lives is insane...insane!!!! But we all actually work harder at fitting perfectly into their expectations of behavior. We have all been, and are, Slaves.

Look at the death and disease in this world and then look at the powers that be with all their money and their resources. Now, you tell me if those people are human?


good work, observer. Props

[observer]

This thread was created to show an objective trail of evidence, directing those interested enough, toward the conclusion: our belief systems are not working. I knew when I started this exposé, I would be overwhelmed with resistance from those members locked within the walls of their individual ideologies.

Emerging out of thousands of years of social engineering, these belief systems are designed to keep the Masses hypnotized into divided camps; each group unwilling to see how their ideology is controlling their ability to see any Big Picture.

The belief that "one's focus creates reality" is just such a belief system that isn't working. The Common Reality of Humanity is not affected by the focus of any single individual. It is affected by the overall manipulation of the Mass Consciousness of Humanity. This manipulation has been orchestrated, over thousands of years of Social Engineering, by an hyperdimensional interloper.

The results are all-in-the-numbers. Allowing that, there are perhaps several hundred million individuals riding on the focus-bus-of-delusion, this number pales in comparison to the 7.5 billion individuals, all dwelling in the effect of thousands of years of our Common-Socially-Engineered-Reality.

It's time for the Masses to wake-up to this perception.

[Constance]

Hi Observer :wave:

I see countless websites and even individuals like yourself here on PA devoted to helping people see the big picture.

What they are doing to help people understand the big picture is amazing and I give them absolute credit for their tenacity and their work, however, I have come to the conclusion that what they are doing is not working either, otherwise ultimately, it would have been self-evident to all of humanity by now.

The sheer scope of what we are up against is truly mind-boggling. I feel that is why people just settle for less and suffer their lot in life because the odds do appear to be stacked against us. I felt the morphic resonance around the Earth plummet to ground zero on the day of the shootings in Paris.

And yet there is one small perpetual glimmer of hope that constantly resides within me. It never diminishes.

It is the idea that if we were to inspire people to see the kind of life that could be possible, how much happiness they could potentially experience in life, that we could all move towards this, and this alone. This is what we would be living for.

There would be no room to entertain anything else because the possibilities would be so great. I have for so long now, imagined in my minds eye what we are potentially capable of; it is so magnificent, so truly spectacular.

Nothing else would matter but the pursuit of fulfilling our highest potential, not just for ourselves but for each other too. And in doing so, everything else would just fall away leaving us with only the highest truths.

If people could only see their way to start putting their heads together to collaborate on how we could begin to make a start in working towards how we could head in a direction that would benefit all, we could potentially be an unstoppable force.

[observer]

Thank you breal, for the kind words of your opening statement.

For over 40 years (give-or-take) of my adult life, I subscribed to messages that sounded exactly like that "glimmer of hope" you are holding onto. Although much of what I write doesn't sound like it, I still retain the hope that there will someday be a "Happy Place" to reside, for the wandering aspect of the separation, that I identify as "self".

I just don't think this is the place for that to happen. All the dots I have collected, in my life-long investigation, indicate this place, here where we all reside, is a place of the fallen. What we are all doing here, is irrelevant. Why some among us might choose to depart is most relevant. Surely, in the multiverse of infinite possibilities, such a Happy Place does exist. My hope-and-faith is tied to figuring-out an exit strategy.

Few speak of getting-out of this prison matrix. It's a taboo topic. I'm anticipating a profusion of denial comments regarding what I'm saying. The evidence for these conclusions is overwhelming.

Awakening to the insight that our belief systems are not working is the first step.

Constructing an exit strategy includes, recognizing all the traps that have been erected to keep us locked within this matrix. Our belief systems are a major contributor to the trapping mechanism.

Beyond that I have many other components to my own personal exit strategy, There's not enough room in a single comment to include them all.

Thank you for participating in the dialogue.

[triquetra]

Why not try, even still? I have no shame in exceptionally long posts, spilling across multiple messages if need be. Not here or the other forum I spent most of my years on.

We have to do whatever we can.

I'd like to discuss something that someone might call a "Plan A" and "Plan B", and the plan B sounds a lot like your exit strategy.
But let me tell you, no one is going to have much of an easy time exiting all on their own. That's not how this reality was designed.

And also, they are not plans, they are parallel futures, that exist with varying degrees of probability which are always changing.

The effort visible around you is towards a plan as well, a plan I would never have anything to do with of course, but again as each piece of the plan takes place, the probability of the future path it leads to shoots up directly after the event.

The good news is that this dark path is gradually being squeezed out of the probability matrix for the future even though it does not look like that at all right now.

What everyone is seeing is actually moves of increasing desperation to keep that plan afloat. Things are not as calculated as they might appear - a big reason for this is because some of those who can see further along that future path now than they could before, are beginning to realize that the future this path leads to is not even in their best interests at all (they were lied to, as was everyone else, but just different kinds of lies).

Pretty much all of the very most powerful "people" (the ones still technically human) were lied to as well, and they are as late to wake up to this as the most dormant of the masses out there scooping up the mainstream news like its their daily bread.

As they too wake up to the truth, there will be a sudden rush for alternatives.

I was in a much darker place around 2008 or 2009 because like you I went extremely deep into finding the truth, but at the time I had no idea about what solutions I could help provide. I saw the beginnings of those solutions in the steps I had taken in the previous decade or so, but they were not advanced enough to provide any real solutions at all.

This has changed quite a bit in the past 7 or 8 years, because I had spent that time focusing almost exclusively on developing the solutions. I am now very solution-focused and very much not problem-focused anymore (I still try to keep up on what's happening, but that's about it).

Now, if we use again the terms "Plan A" and "Plan B" (though again, they are really things that really did already happen in specific future paths, in the cases of us experiencing either of those futures, they are not a "maybe", they have already happened), then it seems like you don't believe the Plan A is even possible, and it seems like you have a very personal concept for Plan B.

Let me tell you that no one here is going to be able to get out on their own. Reality does not work this way. Any Plan B would be a group effort and should only be necessary if Plan A is indeed not an option (and the only reason for this would be if the most powerful humans were too slow to wake up, and decided they would rather help to destroy everything than allow Plan A to go ahead).

So you kind of have to plan for Plan A and Plan B at the same time.

So let me stop with the labels and explain exactly what they are. Plan A is of course reclaiming our planet and restoring the intended direction of a deserved transformation into a relatively "utopic" society made possible by enough human mental evolution.

Plan B then, by my definition, is a coordinated group effort to get out of the matrix using fairly specific techniques.

The good news here is that preparing for one can be preparing for the other as well. This is something I hope to discuss at length on the forum in the coming months, and then actually develop in the coming years.

I make some pretty big claims and I am willing to back them up, including in depth discussion on my sources of information.

The long story short for me at this stage, is that I firmly believe that the vast majority of entities on this planet would be in agreement with the Plan A if they were able to explore far enough down the avenues of alternate future timelines for themselves and see what winds up happening - and how different and how much worse it is in reality than what they expect from their perspective today.

If you need some explanation about how I can claim the above, then I should say at this point I had been training very seriously in remote viewing and remote influencing for over 15 years, and wound up specializing in remote viewing the past and future.

This had begun with something alike a near-death experience in 99, but was more like a direct interaction with the same group that is reached in the cassiopaea experiment (or a group like them), after which some kind of permanent information bridge was established from that moment afterwards.

Finally, there was the years of trying to gain as deep as possible an understanding into the underlying science of remote influencing in order to use the techniques as best as possible - to know exactly by which means the future timeline is diverted from one possible future to another.

We don't have to be nearly so fatalistic as you might feel observer, and the fatalistic vibration may not belong on this forum beginning soon.

With a name like "Avalon", and a motto something like "where spirituality and science intersect", this really should be a forum that not only "chronicles" the human awakening, but directly facilitates it.

If seeing the first seeds of a kind of an end game were the catalyst for this, then so be it, because it is impossible to wait any longer to start this initiative.

There are still very powerful people who really need to wake up themselves and realize the lies that even they are being told - there is no happy future for any human at all on this dark path we are still being led on by current events.

But there is still time to correct course. The way of facilitating this is by beginning to methodically lay out the information needed to clearly define the scope of and route to the Plan A I am talking about.

It could only have been possible with some significant outside influence to enable something like this kind of a Plan A, a plan that benefits everyone involved regardless of what role they played in the past dark times. We will have to let all of that go.

Long story short - all of humanity has had a boot to its throat from the very beginning. We exist to solve problems for other entities that were here long before us. And so the only real way out that doesn't make serious sacrifices is by doing exactly that - providing the solution to a problem so complex, it was not solvable by other entities existing in the universe before us.

I hope this makes some sense - it relies a lot on some basic knowledge of the scope of reality beyond planet earth as it exists - and not everyone has found that information out yet even here, even now by the end of 2015.

We can bring this information into the discussion as well, if you are willing to have it here, in your thread, observer.

[Constance]

Why not try, even still? I have no shame in exceptionally long posts, spilling across multiple messages if need be. Not here or the other forum I spent most of my years on.

We have to do whatever we can.

I'd like to discuss something that someone might call a "Plan A" and "Plan B", and the plan B sounds a lot like your exit strategy.
But let me tell you, no one is going to have much of an easy time exiting all on their own. That's not how this reality was designed.

And also, they are not plans, they are parallel futures, that exist with varying degrees of probability which are always changing.

The effort visible around you is towards a plan as well, a plan I would never have anything to do with of course, but again as each piece of the plan takes place, the probability of the future path it leads to shoots up directly after the event.

The good news is that this dark path is gradually being squeezed out of the probability matrix for the future even though it does not look like that at all right now.

What everyone is seeing is actually moves of increasing desperation to keep that plan afloat. Things are not as calculated as they might appear - a big reason for this is because some of those who can see further along that future path now than they could before, are beginning to realize that the future this path leads to is not even in their best interests at all (they were lied to, as was everyone else, but just different kinds of lies).

Pretty much all of the very most powerful "people" (the ones still technically human) were lied to as well, and they are as late to wake up to this as the most dormant of the masses out there scooping up the mainstream news like its their daily bread.

As they too wake up to the truth, there will be a sudden rush for alternatives.

I was in a much darker place around 2008 or 2009 because like you I went extremely deep into finding the truth, but at the time I had no idea about what solutions I could help provide. I saw the beginnings of those solutions in the steps I had taken in the previous decade or so, but they were not advanced enough to provide any real solutions at all.

This has changed quite a bit in the past 7 or 8 years, because I had spent that time focusing almost exclusively on developing the solutions. I am now very solution-focused and very much not problem-focused anymore (I still try to keep up on what's happening, but that's about it).

Now, if we use again the terms "Plan A" and "Plan B" (though again, they are really things that really did already happen in specific future paths, in the cases of us experiencing either of those futures, they are not a "maybe", they have already happened), then it seems like you don't believe the Plan A is even possible, and it seems like you have a very personal concept for Plan B.

Let me tell you that no one here is going to be able to get out on their own. Reality does not work this way. Any Plan B would be a group effort and should only be necessary if Plan A is indeed not an option (and the only reason for this would be if the most powerful humans were too slow to wake up, and decided they would rather help to destroy everything than allow Plan A to go ahead).

So you kind of have to plan for Plan A and Plan B at the same time.

So let me stop with the labels and explain exactly what they are. Plan A is of course reclaiming our planet and restoring the intended direction of a deserved transformation into a relatively "utopic" society made possible by enough human mental evolution.

Plan B then, by my definition, is a coordinated group effort to get out of the matrix using fairly specific techniques.

The good news here is that preparing for one can be preparing for the other as well. This is something I hope to discuss at length on the forum in the coming months, and then actually develop in the coming years.

I make some pretty big claims and I am willing to back them up, including in depth discussion on my sources of information.

The long story short for me at this stage, is that I firmly believe that the vast majority of entities on this planet would be in agreement with the Plan A if they were able to explore far enough down the avenues of alternate future timelines for themselves and see what winds up happening - and how different and how much worse it is in reality than what they expect from their perspective today.

If you need some explanation about how I can claim the above, then I should say at this point I had been training very seriously in remote viewing and remote influencing for over 15 years, and wound up specializing in remote viewing the past and future.

This had begun with something alike a near-death experience in 99, but was more like a direct interaction with the same group that is reached in the cassiopaea experiment (or a group like them), after which some kind of permanent information bridge was established from that moment afterwards.

Finally, there was the years of trying to gain as deep as possible an understanding into the underlying science of remote influencing in order to use the techniques as best as possible - to know exactly by which means the future timeline is diverted from one possible future to another.

We don't have to be nearly so fatalistic as you might feel observer, and the fatalistic vibration may not belong on this forum beginning soon.

With a name like "Avalon", and a motto something like "where spirituality and science intersect", this really should be a forum that not only "chronicles" the human awakening, but directly facilitates it.

If seeing the first seeds of a kind of an end game were the catalyst for this, then so be it, because it is impossible to wait any longer to start this initiative.

There are still very powerful people who really need to wake up themselves and realize the lies that even they are being told - there is no happy future for any human at all on this dark path we are still being led on by current events.

But there is still time to correct course. The way of facilitating this is by beginning to methodically lay out the information needed to clearly define the scope of and route to the Plan A I am talking about.

It could only have been possible with some significant outside influence to enable something like this kind of a Plan A, a plan that benefits everyone involved regardless of what role they played in the past dark times. We will have to let all of that go.

Long story short - all of humanity has had a boot to its throat from the very beginning. We exist to solve problems for other entities that were here long before us. And so the only real way out that doesn't make serious sacrifices is by doing exactly that - providing the solution to a problem so complex, it was not solvable by other entities existing in the universe before us.

I hope this makes some sense - it relies a lot on some basic knowledge of the scope of reality beyond planet earth as it exists - and not everyone has found that information out yet even here, even now by the end of 2015.

We can bring this information into the discussion as well, if you are willing to have it here, in your thread, observer.

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

Love your ideas :sun:

:idea: Ready to go whenever you are :happy dog::dog:

Eyes and ears and everything else open and attentive.:bowing:

[observer]

^^^^

Shew, a lot of text there triquetra, but thank-you for not coming in here and attacking the messenger.

I'd like to offer a caveat to my reply, straight-up. It should be noted, everything I report is from my own personal perspective. To my best ability, I'm not being influenced by artificial telepathic messages. I've spent my entire adult life collecting data, and it is from this data that I draw my conclusions.

With that said, your Plan A reminds me of just what I began this thread to warn the readers to be weary-of.

Regarding how you have described Plan B, the death experience is a very personal journey. Even if we are looking at a Mass Extinction (which I believe is looming, just over the horizon), we all go through the death journey as individuals - not as a group-effort as your analysis would suggest.

It is what we do during that journey, that determines whether we are recycled back into the birth-death-rebirth-loop, or whether we journey-on to that Happy Place we are all seeking.

Recognizing the traps - and I assure everyone, there are traps - determines how we progress along that journey.

To add to an earlier comment regarding my own personal Exit Strategy; the color gold has a lot to do with it. Throughout the historic record, the color gold has always been associated to Love. This is a reoccurring template, and reoccurring templates in the record, should be paid attention to.

As I've so often stated in my commenting, here in Avalon, "we've been lied to". Among the long list of lies I would include the artificially implanted idea that the heart chakra color is green. Every indication suggests the color associated to the heart should be gold. The obscurity exists - in my opinion - to distract the individual from the exit-gate.

It is for this reason, I personally believe, I should follow the golden light, and not the white light, as has been the hypnotic mantra of most theologies.

So, to keep it short, this is another bullet point in what I would include, for my own Personal Exit Strategy.

[Sierra]

Snip...

It is what we do during that journey, that determines whether we are recycled back into the birth-death-rebirth-loop, or whether we journey-on to that Happy Place we are all seeking.

Two points I am thinking of...

1. When there is a mass die-off (Indonesian tsunami) or someone many people have a connection to dies violently (Princess Diana), it has been proven there is a mass mental or emotional reaction BEFORE the event actually occurs. We are connected, all of us, in some strange quantum way.

So death *can* change the collective attitudes of the human race. I know when a beloved cousin died young in a car accident, her loss resolved me to step in her place as best as I could, that we/I could compensate for the loss of a loving genius with a very bright light. There is something about death that gives us heightened awareness for a time.

2. Death as an "escape" doesn't work, at least I don't think it does. My father committed suicide, and many of my family members are convinced he was returned to Earth as my severely, extremely low functioning autistic nephew with an IQ of 50.

I've also heard say from those who survived their own suicide attempts, that while falling to their supposed deaths they realized in mid descent their problem(s) was/were not unsolvable.

I don't think there is either a white or golden light beckoning those who commit suicide. I think it is do not pass go, do not reap and analyze what you've learned in your last life time, back to earth you go and for this lifetime we will make you helpless, and remove your ability to commit suicide.

It is not that I consider suicide a sin or terminating a painful and fatal illness a sin, it's that this is MY plan that I am here, and I will have to try again if I deliberately flunk and fail myself this time around so I will trust that I knew what I was doing when I set up the parameters of this lifetime.

Not to mention the pain and cost, suicide causes to those whom you are karmically connected...

G*d knows I've been tempted at times to check out early, but the older I get the easier it gets to stick it out, and I cross my fingers I'm making progress...

So many people have come to Earth to be here in this most (again dammit) perilous of times, to witness what it is we will do as a quantum collective, and each contribute their bit to the whole.

Observer, thank you for the information on the golden light. I also have heard the heart chakra emits golden not green light. Maybe it has to do with intent. If I join a healing, I visualize green. If I am sending love, I visualize gold. Since I always use high selves as proxy (both mine, and the one who requests healing), I just put the whole thing in my HS's lap, to do or not do, to modify and perfect the request to what is willed and needed, to request permission to send healing to another, asking above all, no harm.

Um... The last was probably off topic, not sure, I apologize if I am...

[heyokah]

[....snip]

To add to an earlier comment regarding my own personal Exit Strategy; the color gold has a lot to do with it. Throughout the historic record, the color gold has always been associated to Love. This is a reoccurring template, and reoccurring templates in the record, should be paid attention to.

As I've so often stated in my commenting, here in Avalon, "we've been lied to". Among the long list of lies I would include the artificially implanted idea that the heart chakra color is green. Every indication suggests the color associated to the heart should be gold. The obscurity exists - in my opinion - to distract the individual from the exit-gate.

It is for this reason, I personally believe, I should follow the golden light, and not the white light, as has been the hypnotic mantra of most theologies.



The color of the heart chakra goes from green to glowing gold.

Green signifies the lower or gross emotional body functioning of the heart, the love on a personal level, which includes family, friends and our partner.

When the heart centre has been fully opened, it gets its glowing golden color and becomes the channel for Universal Love. Then the Higher Self or Immortal Soul is able to work through this centre.

This is probably why in so many cultures the heart is said to be the seat of the soul.

http://i67.tinypic.com/vd0s91.jpg

“Your essence is gold hidden in dust. To reveal its splendor, you need to burn in the fire of Love.” - Rumi

[observer]

click-on the forwarding icon to see Sierra's comment #99.


Thank you Sierra.

Please allow me to point-out, at no time have I ever advocated suicide. I agree completely with your analyses on the suicide issue. Throughout the historic record suicide has been viewed as a taboo. This is another one of those repeating templates that needs to be paid-attention-to.

There is also much wisdom in your observation that there is a quantum connection. This becomes apparent, once one recognizes, at some level, we are one whole-eternal-soul, having separate free-will experiences.

However, I firmly believe, the separateness that I recognize as "myself", when I begin the eventual death-journey, will make that journey void of any common assistance, from any other dis-incarnated soul. I'm of the opinion many of these dis-incarnated souls, roaming around in the Astral Plain, are the archons the Gnostics Nazarenes spoke of in the Nag Hammadi Texts, and are more related to the trapping-agenda we should all learn to recognize.

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click-on the forwarding icon to see heyokah's comment #100.

Also thank-you heyokah for the green/gold clarification. I wonder, however, why the image you chose shows the gold mutating into violet? I've, for a long time, been suspicious of the Violet Flame Agenda. It's all a construct generated from artificial telepathic communications - something I've been very suspicious of, for some time.

[bettye198]

It was quite entertaining catching up on five pages of conversation just now. I stand with Observer and I, like him, detest slanderous acts against my persona, my beliefs or thoughts. We are together on this thread to share ideas and can agree to disagree without prejudice. This, I believe was Bill's intention.

Just a comment about "Waking Up". I run two successful practices with my husband and see all kinds of people with their fears and disregards and desperations and brain fog. Very few are ready or willing to wake up. It is a lonely spot to be in making all the observations and hoping for resolve. But if you all, like myself, know you came with angelic warriorship, you muddle on and do what you can. I studied metaphysics in a "approved" Metaphysical Univesity in the 70's because accreditation was unheard of in that category. So I taught and I studied and graduated with a PhD after 10 years. That means really nothing to me, but what it did offer me was how ridiculous my studies were. Thinking the Sumerians were the great ones to honor, as example. Then after 40 years of studying and reading everything I could get my hands on, my husband as well, every book, video, website, you come to the conclusion that the elite is winning and we are still just trying to keep our awareness and sanity before we launch to greater realms. And the best conclusion we made above all is to maintain contact and solidarity with our higher selves so that we can discern truth. If you have ever been face to face with pure evil, you develop chutzpah. If you can separate the woo wah of new age disinformation and what YOU yourself can resonate with, you have made it farther than you thought. If Sitchin did automatic writing as Jordan Maxwell said or alluded to ( I have met Jordan, he walked into our office one day) then anything could have walked into that intelligence. I learned not to hold to my heart any piece of automatic writing. I believe in cause and effect. Swerdlow says we have reptilian brains and reptilian DNA hybridized within which is why we age, we shed our skin, we have the lower form of emotions. The Dracs did a good job of messing with our consciousness by separating higher, conscience and subliminal so that the Ego would take reign.

I relate to Atlantis big time. I actually knew someone who had a past life there who did the surgeries mixing all the alien and animal and human lifeforms up. She knew it. This life, she is back in surgery. I think all of us can know or remember someone that they sense had fallen into the beginning of our angelic demise 10,000 years ago. Historical cause. There is far too much support for believing in Reptilian ancestory. Kerry Cassidy's recent three interviews with Captain Mark Richards on Secret Space Program is worthy. WORTHY. He talked about the Raptors and the Reptilian hierarchy here on Earth. Swerdlow saw Reptilians face to face. Many have. It is wise to say, keep that open mind. You cannot fight or win but you can move out of the repetitive fallen agenda reincarnational wheel that keeps them fed.

P.S. Swerdlow also mentioned something I found interesting. The fight among aliens is ongoing. We are monkeys in the middle. But he said one nation of alien beings destroyed dinosaurs because the Reptilians used them for food. The war is ongoing!

[RunningDeer]

On the topic of gold, I have two points:

1) I did a couple of implant readings where I saw gold angel wings and not just an auric field. What I picked up is it’s a part who they were/who they are. Also, the wings seem to be another meta-tool like the clair senses: clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, clairscent, clairtangency, clairgustance and clairempathy.

2) I know the reading is finished when I see gold surround and infiltrate their fields and body.

Since September, 2014, I’ve not focused on my individual chakras. It’s on the whole body and fields beyond. My current thinking is that the chakras are AI technology.

This past September 9th and 30th, I got ‘hit’ by technology or energy in the heart region, between the shoulder blades and it radiated out through the back muscles. It happens two to three times a year. September's felt like a one-two punch because it takes days to right myself.

What I did different the last time was I put all my concentration on the body-whole and powered up the gold essence. I immediately felt the pain lessen as I dropped off to sleep. Whereas in the past, I’d put focus on the heart charka until I got knock out by the pain and pain meds. (But not before I’d tell the entity to ‘F-off”, cuz I wanted it to know that I know.)

[heyokah]

click-on the forwarding icon to see heyokah's comment #100.


Also thank-you heyokah for the green/gold clarification. I wonder, however, why the image you chose shows the gold mutating into violet? I've, for a long time, been suspicious of the Violet Flame Agenda. It's all a construct generated from artificial telepathic communications - something I've been very suspicious of, for some time.
There are even more colors involved with the heart chakra, but I didn't want to bring too much confusion. But since you noticed.... :)

Once we have freed ourselves from all burdens, our heart can grow bigger and we can start to feel Magenta in our hearts. Merging red (the Earth color) and violet (the Heaven color),
Magenta shows us pure, universal and selfless love. A soft version of Magenta is Pink. Both Pink and Magenta are colors of unconditional love and tenderness.

Being able to feel Magenta in our hearts means we are not far from reaching the highest possible state of our heart chakra: The connection to the divine golden ray.

So it''s more or less an "in between" color, which was shown on the picture.

[heyokah]

.,....snip

Since September, 2014, I’ve not focused on my individual chakras. It’s on the whole body and fields beyond. My current thinking is that the chakras are AI technology.



Here's Wes Penre's view on it.
Read chapter 5 "More on the Chakra Manipulation and the Entrapment in the 4% Universe"

http://wespenre.com/5/paper16-the-destiny-of-a-royal-species.htm#5

[observer]

It was quite entertaining catching up on five pages of conversation just now. I stand with Observer and I, like him, detest slanderous acts against my persona, my beliefs or thoughts. We are together on this thread to share ideas and can agree to disagree without prejudice. This, I believe was Bill's intention.

Just a comment about "Waking Up". I run two successful practices with my husband and see all kinds of people with their fears and disregards and desperations and brain fog. Very few are ready or willing to wake up. It is a lonely spot to be in making all the observations and hoping for resolve. But if you all, like myself, know you came with angelic warriorship, you muddle on and do what you can. I studied metaphysics in a "approved" Metaphysical Univesity in the 70's because accreditation was unheard of in that category. So I taught and I studied and graduated with a PhD after 10 years. That means really nothing to me, but what it did offer me was how ridiculous my studies were. Thinking the Sumerians were the great ones to honor, as example. Then after 40 years of studying and reading everything I could get my hands on, my husband as well, every book, video, website, you come to the conclusion that the elite is winning and we are still just trying to keep our awareness and sanity before we launch to greater realms. And the best conclusion we made above all is to maintain contact and solidarity with our higher selves so that we can discern truth. If you have ever been face to face with pure evil, you develop chutzpah. If you can separate the woo wah of new age disinformation and what YOU yourself can resonate with, you have made it farther than you thought. If Sitchin did automatic writing as Jordan Maxwell said or alluded to ( I have met Jordan, he walked into our office one day) then anything could have walked into that intelligence. I learned not to hold to my heart any piece of automatic writing. I believe in cause and effect. Swerdlow says we have reptilian brains and reptilian DNA hybridized within which is why we age, we shed our skin, we have the lower form of emotions. The Dracs did a good job of messing with our consciousness by separating higher, conscience and subliminal so that the Ego would take reign.

I relate to Atlantis big time. I actually knew someone who had a past life there who did the surgeries mixing all the alien and animal and human lifeforms up. She knew it. This life, she is back in surgery. I think all of us can know or remember someone that they sense had fallen into the beginning of our angelic demise 10,000 years ago. Historical cause. There is far too much support for believing in Reptilian ancestory. Kerry Cassidy's recent three interviews with Captain Mark Richards on Secret Space Program is worthy. WORTHY. He talked about the Raptors and the Reptilian hierarchy here on Earth. Swerdlow saw Reptilians face to face. Many have. It is wise to say, keep that open mind. You cannot fight or win but you can move out of the repetitive fallen agenda reincarnational wheel that keeps them fed.

P.S. Swerdlow also mentioned something I found interesting. The fight among aliens is ongoing. We are monkeys in the middle. But he said one nation of alien beings destroyed dinosaurs because the Reptilians used them for food. The war is ongoing!

Thank you for your comment, bettye.

In this single reply, you have corroborated a good deal of what I've been commenting about since I first joined the Avalon Forum, nearly 6 years ago.

[RunningDeer]

.,....snip

Since September, 2014, I’ve not focused on my individual chakras. It’s on the whole body and fields beyond. My current thinking is that the chakras are AI technology.



Here's Wes Penre's view on it.
Read chapter 5 "More on the Chakra Manipulation and the Entrapment in the 4% Universe"

http://wespenre.com/5/paper16-the-destiny-of-a-royal-species.htm#5

Thanks, heyokah. It fits with what works for me. I'd encourage others to check out the article.

The last one is new. Not about gurus and teachers, but how the information will not disappear because of amnesia if it’s discover from within, i.e. the organic, the limitless, rather than from the false light which is inorganic and limited.


Knowledge from heart is different from heart chakra.


…he is using his heart to gain knowledge from inside his own body!


…Third Eye (the sixth chakra). He knows that the “knowledge” he receives through the sixth chakra is only knowledge accessible to him from the “Synthetic Universe,” which is his term for the 4% Universe. Instead, he is “listening to his Heart!” I intentionally excluded the word “chakra” after Heart because he is not using the Heart chakra in the way many others are using it— he is using his heart to gain knowledge from inside his own body!


…with are just a synthetic system, built by technology, and the chakras, as well as a Kundalini experience, is an “energetic technical implant”—the foundational based energies of the synthetic dark and the synthetic light.


…we should never do exercises that require from us to download light from outside. Instead, we use the heart area to explore the light within only!


except for a very few people in the history of mankind, everybody who felt enlightened were only enlightened by the 4% Universe!


As we can see, there is nothing “out there” from which we can truly expand ourselves. The true Expansion must come from within! If it doesn’t, it’s not true expansion but a simulated expansion built on advanced technology! This entire concept is something that needs to be pondered upon because it’s deep!


…we don’t need gurus or teachers to teach us about enlightenment because the only thing they can teach us is about the false light….The goal, however, is for the teacher to get to the point where the student can see this clearly enough to start practicing it. That part is not easy. Most people read something, find it relevant, but don’t practice it. Then it’s just useless information. It’s when the person starts practicing it to a point where it becomes a part of that person’s beingness and daily life that success has been gained. Then it wouldn’t even matter if the student dies and decides to come back to teach, for example. He or she practiced in the previous life, and that affects all that person’s lifetimes. In the “next” incarnation, it remains a part of the beingness—it will not disappear because of amnesia.

[triquetra]

observer - interesting point with the trapping-agenda,
bettye198 - not all of us are necessarily caught in the middle, but then, not all of us could be defined as human in the usual sense anymore, either!

observer - what i am trying to build here is a case for the way out, a way that is cooperative. it seems that it was thought impossible. or instead, that it could only happen on this planet, and only with the right "coaxing" (which i will say now is the explanation for a lot of this)

let me put it this way - in wave systems (for example in music), when you create a dissonance (a tension, an inharmonic ratio), it creates momentum towards a resolution, a shifting of the frequencies either further apart, or further together, to reach stability again - to reach harmony, consonance, stability.

now when you see the human civilization as a gigantic analog computer that was programmed using DNA and set into motion, you might wonder what are all the possible goals of such a thing.

a perpetual cycling for feeding on dissonant energy? is that all?

perhaps not. being stuck in the 4th dimension doesn't seem all that pleasant. it is out of the fibonacci sequence. the best bet is to find a way back into the 3rd dimension and correct the course.

so there you have it. if we were to just try and escape on our own, to evolve away and disappear completely, like your exit strategy, i'm sorry, but it's not going to happen.
i don't want to be the bearer of bad news here, but in that case the simulation within the simulation would just be reset. it's no problem to destroy everything on the planet and start over if there is no point continuing this experiment (to them).

but we haven't reached that point yet. and this time, the circumstances are different. a portal has indeed been cracked open to the outside, and information has been filtering in that can be the solution to this mess (a mess that did not involve our civilization, but one that we were dragged into).

so in a way, humanity will be getting directly involved, as a part of the solution. that is the Plan A. the Plan B results from the stalemate that comes with putting Plan A on the table - everyone wants Plan A to succeed, and everything up until now has been about putting the dissonance into the reality enough that the conditions were created such that enough information would leak out of the layer above to make it be possible.

it's all a very curious predicament, because nobody wins if Plan A were to be prevented, things will be allowed to keep going on this planet long enough to see it carried out, to see it to the end, to see if it really works as promised.

Plan B would come into effect in a flash of an instant if it didn't, it is the failsafe, because we wouldn't be taking the time and energy to build the Plan A solution if there weren't a backup, a failsafe for the ones involved, so part of the agreement is to let us work on both at once. but i'm telling you, Plan B is a group effort as well.

You can individualize as much as you please but it will just put you back into the soul pool and you will be right back here again. you're not going anywhere on your own.

evolution out of 3d is at least a partial immersion into the collective consciousness in 5d

[observer]

Thanks again triquetra, for your insights, although I still disagree. Here are what I see as the flaws in your logic.

Regarding your Plan A:


Throughout the (known) written history of humanity, there have been multiple mass extinction events reaching-far-back into great antiquity. Theological interpretations of these events reference the work of some 'god'. This is a reoccurring template. Even though Humanity has been continuously lied to, reoccurring templates should be paid-attention-to.

Next, you are ignoring the volumes of evidence that point to this prison matrix as being some sort of Feeding Operation. In any feeding operation, when the crop becomes fallow, a reseeding process is begun anew. This is what mass extinctions are all about, here within this matrix.

So much for your Plan A options. Humanity is waking-up to the program, and when enough of us are awake, the Farm Managers will simply "plow-us-under", and begin anew. A resetting of all the time-lines of sorts. History has a way of repeating itself.


So, now onto your Plan B observations.

Here is a link to a very informative page on "Breaking The Endless Cycle Of Reincarnation" -
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_conscioushumanenergy34.htm

Note: Wes Penre refers to this soul harvesting program as a "Sirian Operation". He is referring to entities from Sirius B. I don't believe this is any different from what I interpret as "Reptilians from the Draco/Orion Network". It's all a function of the same agenda.

I hope the readers will take the time to review this short paper, before they make any comments on its content.

[heyokah]

^^^^
"Breaking The Endless Cycle Of Reincarnation"
by Wes Penre
extracted from "The Dark Road Towards Extinction"
October 21, 2012

We can just as well face it; we are all going to die one day, and our life force will leave the body.

• So how do we carry the information with us and remember it the next time we reincarnate?
• What is the use in learning all these things if we are to forget it in the amnesia implant station?
We'll see if we can answer these questions to some extent in this section.

In the New Age and 'Spiritual Movement', people often think we need to reincarnate to eventually evolve to the 'next level', i.e. the next density or dimension. They believe that we have a lesson or two to learn each lifetime, and it builds up and we become wiser and wiser.

The 'Between Lives Area' (BLA) then becomes a resort where you rest in between incarnation, and mingle and have a happy reunion with dead relatives.

Although there seems to be some truth in this, it's not at all the purpose with reincarnation and the BLA. It's all set up to trap us, like we have discussed in these papers. We don't even necessarily get wiser by accumulating life events that carry over.

Because we usually don't remember them, instead they become unresolved and unfinished business which build up ridges of energy around our light-body, just to transfer over to the next physical body, which in its turn carries genetic memories from the bloodline, including unresolved issues as well.

This creates inner conflicts in individuals, who find themselves having issues in the present lifetime which they can't explain where they come from.

Of course, resolved problems and carried over completed learning lessons can be relatively helpful and in a sense helps the person evolve under the circumstances of our earthly existences.

But overall, reincarnation is severely halting the evolution of a being, who could, if amnesia hadn't been implemented on them, had learned their lesson many times faster.

But aside from these arguments, it's all a trap and can't be beneficial for any of us.

However, the only reason the Sirians can keep us trapped in their System (which does not only include the earthly System, but expands out to include the Afterlife as well) is because we are ignorant of what they're doing. Once we are aware, their System falls apart and can no longer be sustained.
And they can't keep us trapped here, either, if we refuse to do what they want us to do.

When we die, one of several things, or a mix of them, can happen to an individual.

• One scenario is that the deceased is being helped with the crossover by their so-called 'spirit guide' (or guides), who lead them to the tunnel, which sucks them into the Light.

The deceased often feels joy and increased awareness during this process, relieved from not having the physical body with all its programming to carry around anymore.

On the other side of the tunnel awaits them either deceased friends and relatives, or 'Jesus', who will carry them further to 'Heaven'. Others, on rare occasion, have told a darker story about going to 'Hell', seeing demons and dark spirits. It seems pretty much that people go where their belief system take them.

If they have very strong religious beliefs, for example, they may go to a place that corresponds to that. In part, they make it up themselves, but there are versions of the Afterlife which already corresponds with Jesus, the Devil, Mother Mary, or whatever it may be.

Still, it's only make believe, and the person ends up being recycled anyway.

Although exactly where people go after body death may differ, they all have one thing in common:

◦ the Tunnel, leading to a bright light on the other side.

The Sirians want everybody to go through the Tunnel.
Whatever people want to be or do, and whom they want to meet, can to a certain degree be arranged, but the common denominator is the Tunnel.

Few are those, of all humans who have died over and over again, who escaped the Tunnel. Even if no spirit guide is there to greet them and they are all alone, they almost always find their way to the Tunnel.
Only times I know of that they don't is when they don't realize they are dead and hover around the Earth plane in the astral, confused and lonely.

Others don't want to leave because they hang on to something, be it friends, relatives, or material things; they don't want to let go. But in the end, whether it takes a week (in our terms) or a thousand years, the spirit sooner or later finds her way to the Tunnel and is absorbed by the Light.

Why is that? How come even lonely spirits, without guides are drawn to the Tunnel? I think the answer is relatively simple.

First of all, the Tunnel may have an electromagnetic pull to it, which pulls the spirit in, but also, if a spirit is lost and confused, finding out that they actually are dead, they want to go somewhere. When everything is dark around them (or hazy at best), a tunnel with a bright light may seem like a good idea.

The alternative seems less attractive. And when the spirit gets closer, she is sucked in like into a vacuum cleaner (which it basically is - a gigantic mega vacuum cleaner), and the rest goes by itself and the spirit can only go along with the ride.

The Tunnel with the Light is how the Sirians keep us trapped through the afterlife, until a new body is found that we can get recycled into. They know that if they can only get us to enter the Tunnel, they have us for yet another ride; there is no way back!

Once in there, we are at their mercy; there is very little we can do; it's like being blown into a balloon, where after somebody ties the string around the opening.

Whatever is in there stays in there until the Sirians, with help from technology, shoots us down into a new body.

The existence in the afterlife, if we are to believe the 7,000+ witnesses in Michael Norton's books, who from regression therapy were able to tell a similar story of what happens from when we die until we get recycled, is not necessarily negative.

The great majority of case studies show that people have quite a good time seeing old familiar 'faces' and having a chance to rest and feel healthy, and at ease.

If so, all is fine and dandy thus far, but those who take this route are definitely going to be recycled again, although there allegedly are those who stay in the afterlife for quite some time (or so they think, because time is different there).

Now, from knowing what we know, we have three choices as I see it.

The first one we have already discussed, but here they are, all three of them:

1. We go towards the Light and into the Tunnel and get trapped in the recycling process once more.

2. We avoid the Light and the Tunnel all together and take a new body without going through the Sirian implant station in the BLA.

3. We turn our 'back' to the Light and hurry up heading in the opposite direction; out through a hole in the Grid and escape out into the Universe.

• We covered number one, so let's take a look at number two.

This option is of course available to us, and if a Sirian spirit guide is coming to guide us, we tell them we don't want to be part of their entrapment system anymore. The guide may be nice about it and try to manipulate us for a while (and with all this knowledge, we will think it's pretty transparent, I'm sure), but we persist.

The guide will leave us alone, because they can't go against the Law of Free Will or they'll be in deep trouble. They will let us go.

Then, at our convenience, we take a new body and reincarnate again, this time with full memory of our past life (although not necessarily the ones before that, as these are hidden under veils of amnesia from previous visitation to the Implant Station).

When we're born into baby bodies, memories will not return until we reach a certain age (I would think around 2-5 years old. Some suggest 12 years old, or during adolescence).

The reason, perhaps, that we want to take this route is because we want to stay on Earth and be part of creating the New Earth and become Guardians of the Living Library again.

Things to look out for...!

First of all, when we choose to take a new body, we most probably have to fight off non-physical beings, who want the same body we do - bodies are a scarcity, in spite of 7 billion of them on Earth.

There are many non-physicals, who for different reasons want to experience the material worlds.

When we go through the Tunnel, we get 'help' from the Sirians to make sure we get the body we are supposed to be shot into.

Other aspirants are fought off beforehand. Now, when we're not within the System anymore, we have to do the job ourselves. Another thing to be aware of is that our new parents may not welcome our ability to remember our past existence and wave it off as fantasies.

As we grow older, our friends, and the school System are going to do the same thing. In an environment where we are constantly invalidated for our past life memories and our relatively extraordinary knowledge, we may think we are the ones who are crazy and start believing what they're saying and begin to suppress our memories.

This is a serious threat to ourselves, because if that happens, we may once again become trapped in the System.

Most likely, however, if we are born without amnesia implants, sooner or later in life we are going to realize that what we are remembering is actually real, because we're going to be drawn towards information which helps us revalidate who we are.

• Lastly, we have the option to find a hole in the Grid and just disappear.

No one is likely going to stop you, but if they do, it will most possibly again be in form of spirit guides, or even dead relatives, who are going to tell you how wonderful it is in the Afterlife. Just because it comes from someone we have loved, and still love, it could be hard to resist, but then we need to keep in mind what we know.

Once we are outside the Grid, we are going to see the Universe in a new light, free to explore the different dimensions, and now we're talking about perceiving 100% of the Universe, not only 4%.

By just thinking a thought, we can move from one place, or dimension, to another.

Things to look out for!

The only problem I know of when choosing this option is when we run into other star beings.

At a first glance, it may be hard to know if they are benevolent or not, although they all have a signature to them which will tell us if we're perceptive enough (which we should be when out of the trap system, I would think).

They may be convincing and act friendly when in fact they are anything but. Best way to find out is to ask if they are of the Light and if they endorse the Divine Feminine.

If they say yes, we should be relatively safe. If we're still uncertain, we can either ask them more questions, or just say we want to be left alone, until a new opportunity shows up when meeting other star beings.

We have to remember to respect other civilizations, so if we explore a planet, we need to leave the beings there alone so they can evolve undisrupted, and if the civilization is more advanced, ask for permission to get to know them.

If they're friendly, this should not be much of a problem. Time is irrelevant when we travel the stars, so we are not limited by 'lifetimes'. We can browse as long as we want, until we find a place that can be our new home and settle down there.

These two last options are the ones I see can help us to get out of the Sirian control system after we have experienced body death.

In the meantime, while still in a body here on Earth, and to help raising the vibrations of self and others, a good idea is to disagree being part of the System as much as possible, and perhaps join others who are like minded.

Keep in mind that the soulutions are often simple - so simple that we haven't thought about them. Isn't that how life is, after all?

What I have suggested here doesn't require more than a decision and an action on our part and we will be our own masters. It's just a matter of taking the step and do it!

All it takes is courage, and the realization that nothing bad will happen if we break our patterns.

After all, it's the System which has taught us that it's dangerous to think and act on our own. We just need to understand that it's all a lie in order to keep us trapped.

It's called 'mind games'...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_conscioushumanenergy34.htm

[triquetra]

I guess that's the difference then, It must be hard to know what to do so that each person can do their part in a coordinated effort to move on from this. So then there is this feeling of resignation, and from there I guess the feeling is that one might as well try and share that feeling of resignation with others so that everyone can have the appropriate and most accurate attitude given the evidence collected about the hopelessness of the situation.

But that's the difference. On the other hand, to be directly involved in the solution, to be continuing on from a previous lifetime the exact same work as though the lifetimes are a part of a single whole, to be negotiating actively and being provided the opportunity to show more elaborately what the proposed solution is, what the Plan A is, then, it is pretty impossible to feel resigned, to feel like the situation is hopeless.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pleyades/pleyades_message.htm

The heart of the matter lies in whether one's understanding of why the civilizations are grown and destroyed is accurate or not. To feel adamantly about one particular reason why over another, hopefully a fair amount of evidence is accumulated. In such areas of discussion, the evidence is almost always anecdotal, so it can be more difficult to move forward in a discussion with differing ideas as one individual/group's anecdotal is as good as another's, is it not? We are both simply linking out to a gigantic compendium of information that has been gathered from all over the internet onto a single site.

I'll be clear - there is no artificial information streams incoming here. What would "artificial" mean anyhow? It is a fairly pessimistic approach to believe that there are absolutely no benevolent entities out there trying to work together with humans to move on from this.

In fact I would go on to say that no entities are particularly interested in perpetuating the existing system indefinitely, because it would become equally routine and boring for those overseeing the long cycles, perhaps even more so. How much would actually change from civilization to civilization? Civilization theory argues that not much would change - civilizations tend to grow and fall under the same types of patterns.

A much more plausible explanation is that these are in fact simulations, designed to try and synthesize an unlikely combination of variable inputs to achieve something on a much grander scale - and in fact this has worked.

By breaching out of the simulation that all of these simulations are ran within, a kind of new stream of information exchange was made possible that allows for a meta-universal perspective to be achieved. It is also possible to visit outside of the entire thing - this has been already done.

We can't bring back a picture of a flag on the moon, so to speak, but what should make the proof evident is the steady flow of incoming information that will be incredibly consistent and focused in its objective - to move on from any further needless perpetuations of the experimental civilization cycles as they have been conducted up to this point.

There was a point to all this, beyond simply cycling things over and over. To create the conditions for a spark. Perhaps other entities had found the limitations of this reality long before we ever could, but could not penetrate beyond them. This will no longer be an issue. But it is essential that a specific kind of work be done on this planet in the coming years.

It will have the effect of putting an end to all of the madness. The guidelines are simple if understood in terms of mathematically reinforced undiscovered patterns in wave physics, and how these patterns lend themselves to specific kinds of construction, of combination of sensory stimulation in a way that is not unlike synthesthesia, giving way to a kind of total synesthesia that creates a very measurable state known as the Awakened Mind.

Any person can achieve this state but currently conditions are not such that it would be easy for anyone to do this on their own.

Together however, it is possible to reach this state en masse and this will have a tremendous effect once it is synchronized across the planet with very large global populations participating.

Seem unlikely? Of course it does, from a late 2015 perspective. Travel the streams of the future timelines for yourself and you will see the path that leads in this direction, that can be the path we walk if only a few simple seeds are planted back in time at various points (as they have been up until now).

Some entities interact with time and the fractal dimension (4th and 5th dimensions, respectively) differently. Rather that move linearly "forward" in time, it is very much possible to navigate the timestream freely. It is also possible to shift awareness along the zoom-scale and interact with phenomena at tiny and massive scales, such as influencing planetary and galactic alignments, biosynchronization, and various other things as they are needed to achieve the objectives mentioned above.

It is even possible to explore parallel timelines and to understand retroactively which choice points allow for "wave function collapse" in such a way that a specific timeline/parallel reality is the one measured (locally experienced).

There is nothing to be pessimistic about if you are actively part of the solution. Please join, or else at least provide an explanation for what might otherwise seem like an intention to bring the collective consciousness here to a lower vibration.

It is a bit of an oxy moron to recommend "waking-up" if the advice is to realize the futility of the situation?

If you were to follow the pleiadian library article copied on your behalf above literally, perhaps you would then feel a bit guilty for abandoning everyone else? You'd also be playing into the idea that reality is ultimately an individualistic experience.

Anyhow, the site is anything but a consolidated vision or guide of how to interpret the state of reality - it is a labyrinth of unreferenced speculation and channelling. Statistically and probabilistically speaking, it is likely to be wrought with ambiguous information at best, and disinformation at worst. How can any of us claim that one part of it is true and another is not? We have both linked to the same site to support our perspectives, and the links appear to offer totally different guidelines.

Perhaps they are both true after all - and simply offer two alternative potential "solutions" depending on whether you interpret reality as being an individualistic experience, or a quasi-collective experience, and perhaps both are equally valid.

The counterargument to my "argument" is that it is perhaps unfair to others to accelerate their soul development more quickly than is natural for them - if your soul is evolving quickly and the souls of everyone else around you seemingly aren't, who are you to try and "educate" them to catch up with you, right?

But then the counterargument to that counterargument is that if people are manipulated as much as they seem to be, then their soul evolution (or even regression) is in no way natural, and so it is invalid to categorize the assisted acceleration of the soul development of others as being "inappropriate" to "free will zone" when by the same token, the manipulation should not be taking place either? That it's not a fair game from either perspective anyhow?

In the end, it all depends on how this "Game" is played. If the truth of this matter is only singular, and lies somewhere in the middle, then we can neither approach reality too individualistically, nor can we put too much emphasis on the collective at the expense of the individual - the truth must be somewhere in between(?) ; )

[observer]

Allow me to first point-out, triquetra, the website http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net, is in no way connected to those genera of alien entities, calling themselves Pleiadians. The website is nothing more than a library of collected work. It is not any sort of springboard to promote the Pleiadian Message. In fact, Wes Penre's work is quite contradictory to that alleged Pleiadian Message.

With that said, allow me to address, what appears to be the conclusion of your long dissertation:


"There is nothing to be pessimistic about if you are actively part of the solution. Please join, or else at least provide an explanation for what might otherwise seem like an intention to bring the collective consciousness here to a lower vibration."

I would suggest, you are projecting my intentions through the filter of your own understanding. This thread is about waking-up to the obvious conclusion one would reach, should one investigate all the evidence that we (the Mass of Humanity) are all being played in an intricately clever Artificial Mind Control Program. The documentation for a contemporary Mind Control Program is so extensive, I need not even give references to that trail of evidence.

The fact the Global Elite have usurped the technology for those contemporary programs from research into the ancient records, and through reverse engineering, and additionally through, ritualistic extra-dimensional contact, goes to the argument that this Artificial Mind Control Program is a common denominator of this Holographic-Free-Will-Program we are all individual avatars trapped within.

Instead of making assassinating statements like, "for what might otherwise seem like an intention to bring the collective consciousness here to a lower vibration.", I would suggest it might be prudent to look at the mountain of evidence this thread was intended to address.

Waking-up to the Artificial Telepathic Technological Program, running in the background, overriding any possible "breaking-free-scenario", has nothing to do with "lowering the collective vibration". It is a tool we all must include in any collective action in the breaking-free-agenda.

Persoanlly, I still feel, when it comes to that moment where one enters the passing-over experience, one will be doing it alone. At that particular moment in time, it is well advised to have a comprehensive understanding of what all the traps look like in order to be successful in the anticipated release process.

Unless, of course, one is content to remain trapped within the matrix.

[Constance]

It doesn't matter how much you try to appeal to people's reasoning or logic or their hearts, people are either going to wake up, or they aren't.

We need stop worrying about how we are going to "wake up" people and focus on sincerely setting aside our differences with each other and sincerely looking at how we are going to provide an overall solution to the crisis we face.

If someone drinks fluoride on a daily basis, watches T.V, engages in bad company, doesn't get any sunlight, eats junk and processed foods, works as a wage slave, goes to bed late, lives in an artificial environment away from nature, the chances are very high that they are not even going to want to wake up.
You could hit them over the head with a baseball bat and they are still not going to get it. They will fight you. If someone is under heavy programming, whatever that may be, all the words in the world will not wake someone up.

I have come to the conclusion that until we take away ALL that has been unnatural/artificial for the whole of humanity - all the dross - it is a complete waste of time trying to appeal to people to wake up - so we have to work with what we have got for now. Just get on with that and see what happens.

There isn't any more time to be wasted.

All the debating in the world is not going to change the reality we face right now. It is all just a war of words and a clash of intellect.

It really is.

It is such a complete waste of precious time.

For those who are awake: If we can't set aside our differences here on PA and start looking at what is the bleeding obvious and that is, finding an overall solution to humanities plight, what hope has humanity got?

and it all goes back to the "HOW" of it again...sigh...

Exactly HOW we get together. Exactly HOW we put aside our differences and work TOGETHER.

Most people think that looking at all the "whats" is going to lead us to the "How". In my observation, it couldn't be further from the direction we need to head in.

If the best minds are here - and I truly believe they are - we can start collaborating together. We can start putting the jigsaw puzzles together. We can start to get creative, start to improvise, start to really get to the heart of the matter.

We need to start addressing the possibilities of looking at what we can do together right now.


How we can empower each other and ourselves is written in a thousand books, it is everywhere around us...The synergy of all the joined dots together will empower us..The synergy of a thousand ideas will build and take on a life of its own.

We just have to try it out with what we have here and now.

with much love,

Breal

[heyokah]

^^^^

This was posted on the " Paris Attack" thread by Meggings.
I felt the passion of the woman in my whole body.... and it's still resonating.

A real Wake-Up call.


Ole Dammegard posted this video of a French woman telling the world, somewhat passionately, that the Paris attacks were false flags. She becomes quite eloquent as she says "WE are responsible because WE are allowing it."

She says this is the time for us to come together as one, and to say STOP to this insanity of the "new world order". I found her powerful words uplifting in the face of so many getting depressed at the insanity deliberately manufactured around us, in the air and water and soil, in our bodies, our thoughts, our emotions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfMLwybzgf4

[joeecho]

I don't know, I feel I have been reading the same page over and over again. How many times does one need to re-read the same page until the page is turned?

[Constance]

I don't know, I feel I have been reading the same page over and over again. How many times does one need to re-read the same page until the page is turned?

well then, let us start a fresh new page :bigsmile:

[heyokah]

[.....snip]
Most people think that looking at all the "whats" is going to lead us to the "How". In my observation, it couldn't be further from the direction we need to head in.


I agree that all the debating in the world is not going to change the reality we face right now and that it would be great to find an overall solution to humanities plight.
But that "it all goes back to the "HOW"" , "When we've put aside our differences and work TOGETHER".....? How do you see this "TOGETHER"?
This kind of calls always sound a little vague to me.... As if just THAT will take "all our troubles away"....

I think everybody should first be facing and taking his own responsibility. Let's start there. And then, not everybody is in the situation to work together, or even wants to work together.

I do think the "WHATs" **(the things really going on behind the scenes of deception) are still very essential and will lead us eventually to the "HOWs". But then, we have to figure-out the best way and if it's even possible.......

All this has to start with the individual, in one's own life, in one's own way.
I expect that eventually the ENERGY of our intentions and actions will get together and could start making a change ..... perhaps.

But as we Dutch say.... "never having taken a shot means you've missed anyway"


Just to call-up everybody to forget the "What" (is really going on) and focus on the "HOW'", while not having figured-out a concrete plan yet, is just as unproductive as only pointing out the "WHAT".

** added for clarity.

[observer]

A common-sense observation:

In the Real World, professional drivers, or machinery operators are a dime-a-dozen. The best operators are the ones who know everything about the mechanical configuration of the machine they operate; the ones who know how to tear-the-equipment-down, and rebuild it, as well as operate it. Those are the ones who are the true Master Operators. For without a sound knowledge of how the equipment really works, one is fooling one's self into believing they are real operators.

[triquetra]

observer, you do realize that by this point, we have each only played "roles" here in this discussion. to form a construction of polar opposites, for the "sake of discussion", shall we say.

breal has stepped in and showed the middle ground. I had hinted at this already in my previous post.

this is the way forward. hekoyah has stressed the "WHAT" needs to come next. i am ready to provide the "WHAT". it has been my life duty to provide this, if anyone will listen.

establishing myself organically here has been difficult mostly because here we are more aware of the terrifying nature of our reality than just about anywhere else, in the real world or online.

that's fine - if it was too easy, something would be wrong.

as you have kindly provided, a portrait of the potential hopelessness of the situation is evident. but that is only one possible future.

already, the groundwork for a better future has been laid. it may seem impossible, but indeed, those mapping the probable future matrix with enough skill would themselves be aware that a very different future is becoming more and more probable with each passing moment.

we are not victims here if we find the way out - what we are debating, i suppose, is what the way out really is. is it an individual sort of thing?

is it individual at first, and then a collective effort after that? it would seem so.

it is important to stress at this time that the information about to be brought forward was certainly not obtained in any "usual" manner.

it was not collected by traveling through time in the linear sense.

it all begins with belief, belief that it is actually possible to be in the company of those experiencing reality in a very different manner than what is considered "orthodox".

from there, the understanding that it is in fact very much possible that a bridge can be constructed between modes of experiential realities can be achieved.

all that is left from that point forward is, indeed, to provide the "WHAT", the "HOW", and so forth. it will all be done.

but first the vibrational groundwork must be laid. we need not be victims if we choose not to be. you can get out and come back again - it has already been done by many.

to choose to return after leaving hits the nail on the head of the point i am trying to make here - a basic need, or desire, to help others even after one has "escaped" on their own.

this is where we now stand.

i am ready to proceed with your permission. it is your thread.

[heyokah]

^^^^

Dear triquetra, as your post was partly directed at me I would like to give a reaction and I have some questions.


"hekoyah has stressed the "WHAT" needs to come next".....

- Well, my "WHAT" was actually, "what is really going on behind the scenes of deception". I am all ears about your "WHAT needs to come next" though.



"already, the groundwork for a better future has been laid. it may seem impossible, but indeed, those mapping the probable future matrix with enough skill would themselves be aware that a very different future is becoming more and more probable with each passing moment."

- What is the groundwork and by whom was it laid? And what kind of different future do you see?



"it is important to stress at this time that the information about to be brought forward was certainly not obtained in any "usual" manner."

- In what unusual manner was it obtained then? By channeling? Remote viewing? Lucid dreaming?


it all begins with belief, belief that it is actually possible to be in the company of those experiencing reality in a very different manner than what is considered "orthodox".

- What entities do you mean by "those experiencing reality in a very different manner than what is considered "orthodox"." and where or how did you accompany them? In real, dreams or imagination?


from there, the understanding that it is in fact very much possible that a bridge can be constructed between modes of experiential realities can be achieved.

- What are these "modes of experiential realities" exactly?


all that is left from that point forward is, indeed, to provide the "WHAT", the "HOW", and so forth. it will all be done.

- By whom? Some benevolent species? God?


it all begins with belief, belief that it is actually possible.......

- Yes, it all begins with BELIEF, .....

[observer]

In reply to triquetra's comment #119.

Yes, triquetra, please offer your "belief system" for those still interested in the topic of this Thread. I only ask that you keep it to the point, so as not to take-up pages with dialogue.

[Constance]

[.....snip]
Most people think that looking at all the "whats" is going to lead us to the "How". In my observation, it couldn't be further from the direction we need to head in.


I agree that all the debating in the world is not going to change the reality we face right now and that it would be great to find an overall solution to humanities plight.
But that "it all goes back to the "HOW"" , "When we've put aside our differences and work TOGETHER".....? How do you see this "TOGETHER"?
This kind of calls always sound a little vague to me.... As if just THAT will take "all our troubles away"....

I think everybody should first be facing and taking his own responsibility. Let's start there. And then, not everybody is in the situation to work together, or even wants to work together.

I do think the "WHATs" **(the things really going on behind the scenes of deception) are still very essential and will lead us eventually to the "HOWs". But then, we have to figure-out the best way and if it's even possible.......

All this has to start with the individual, in one's own life, in one's own way.
I expect that eventually the ENERGY of our intentions and actions will get together and could start making a change ..... perhaps.

But as we Dutch say.... "never having taken a shot means you've missed anyway"


Just to call-up everybody to forget the "What" (is really going on) and focus on the "HOW'", while not having figured-out a concrete plan yet, is just as unproductive as only pointing out the "WHAT".

** added for clarity.

Hi Heyokah :)

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself very clear. When I wrote that post, for clarities sake, I probably needed to add that if we don't know what direction we are going to need to head in, how are we ever going to get there? We need to work out what we want for ourselves and each other first and then head in that direction and that direction alone.

I have talked about how I feel about all of this in previous threads here...


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85651-Is-the-counterculture-today-doing-a-better-job-than-the-counterculture-in-the-60s-and-70s&p=1006480&viewfull=1#post1006480

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86936-banning-a-thread&p=1021954&viewfull=1#post1021954

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85436-Whatever-gifts-you-have...-USE-them&p=1001887&viewfull=1#post1001887

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85125-Shane-The-Ruiner-s-interview-with-Kerry-Cassidy-8-Sept-2015&p=1002436&viewfull=1#post1002436


I guess, in essence, what I am really just trying to share is that there are plenty of "whats" out there and not enough "hows".

I'm not asking people to ignore "what" is going on, nor, sweep it under the carpet. I don't want to see people suffering any more than yourself. It is just that all the "whats" are a bottomless pit.
They truly go on forever.

As for people being able to take responsibility for themselves first...I wrote about this in a post here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86532-Simon-makes-the-news&p=1016651&viewfull=1#post1016651



I constantly hear people talking about how they need to be "responsible" for themselves or that people need to take responsibility for themselves and that is all well and good but first up, we have to be in a state where we can be truly response-able.
With everything that we are up against, for most, it is potentially not possible so I am imploring those on Avalon who are ready/willing/able to make a start...

[triquetra]

^^^^


"hekoyah has stressed the "WHAT" needs to come next".....

- Well, my "WHAT" was actually, "what is really going on behind the scenes of deception". I am all ears about your "WHAT needs to come next" though.


I'm happy to discuss on both aspects. Coming out now of a major Remote Viewing campaign spanning 15 years. Trained in a system that works.
Behind the scenes of deception is something many here would probably expect. There are internal struggles occurring as well, always have been.
There have been lies which have cascaded all along the "chain of command", and in a way, all entities involved along the chain are in some way seeking simply to survive.
Whether it's literal survival, survival of lifestyle, what I see is a chain of victims. Victims with greater power casting oppression onto those below them, and so on and so forth, all the way down. Even at the very top of the power chain, there are still victims.

At the very top, it's victims of the nature of reality as it exists way beyond the planetary scale. The idea then is to determine the "malleability" of reality, not dissimilar to the way a mason works with materials to the best of their ability to re-create reality in the image of what they have in their mind.

It's a study of cause and effect, and some degree of understanding that the accumulation of a progressively large amount of tension inside a portion of reality has a direct effect, it builds momentum. Causing a wash of confusion in the many creates the circumstances for achieving great clarity for the few who recognize what is happening and struggle against it.

The intention is to create the conditions to pierce through a kind of barrier in the "outermost" layer of reality itself. To force reality to adapt itself in a way that will allow for ongoing evolution, for the ones who are stuck. Permitting the right kinds of adaptations in how the "key is fit into the lock", it will work. The result will be a major cleansing of the harmonic conditions within the universe, this will be a great contrast to the previous tensions of which our entire civilization has only been an infinitessimal part of the ongoing chronology beyond our planet..

Now, as for what needs to come next, it's pretty simple. A convergence, an achievement of consensus opinion, and the construction of the solution(s) that will allow what I've mentioned above to proceed. I've followed the developments on forums such as this one for their entire existence, looking for patterns in the data, to see if it would be possible to achieve consensus opinion without forcing it. It needs to be achieved naturally, such that the majority can agree on a breakdown of everything that has happened, how we need to adapt our personal lives, and from there, yes, how we can work together to take the next steps (if we've taken care of ourselves first, then and only then can we be valued and consistent contributors.. everyone has their own unique talents to contribute, after all).

The first major step, I believe, is the establishment of a new codex. Why use that particular word? We are looking for something that can codify a reduction of the most needed progressive information in a way that is as permanent as possible. Something which represents the ascension to higher dimensional experiences. If you think about it, a document like the "bi-ble" is in a way indicating that it is focused on duality (the "bi" in bible). It has indeed worked to that effect, putting into the most "authoritative" terms possible an outline of two opposing elements or forces, and conditioned the population to think in this manner. That manner of thought has popularly persisted for 2000 years now. It is no longer working. We know much, much better now, that reality is on a grayscale, and also there can be 3 or more axiomatic elements of a notion - 2 is no longer enough.

therefore, geometrically speaking, the triquetra serves as an appropriate symbol for firmly progressing to the next mode(s) of consciousness. A 3D experience understands things in terms of 2D... a 4D experience understands things in terms of 3D, and a 5D experience understands things in terms of 4D.

this is one side of things - the theory side. there are ways of representing the unity of all aspects of the arts, the sciences, and spiritual studies, in a way that interweaves the three "pillars" of thought into a continuum - and this is exactly that symbol - the triquetra.

the other side of things, the implementation, is the way of leveraging the theoretical knowledge in order to build our own means of progressing our reality itself. there are ways of constructing structures in specific geometric dimensions and proportions, ways of combining sound, light, and vibration to induce experiences which are powerful enough to show windows into higher realities.

this is the full extent of the WHAT.





"already, the groundwork for a better future has been laid. it may seem impossible, but indeed, those mapping the probable future matrix with enough skill would themselves be aware that a very different future is becoming more and more probable with each passing moment."

- What is the groundwork and by whom was it laid? And what kind of different future do you see?

The groundwork has been laid behind the scenes of reality by several of us since 2001 - since it was seen what the intention was and the knowledge was that it must not come to pass. It has been a quiet work, using techniques in Remote Influencing that make remappings to the temporal matrix (the future timeline matrix) in a subtle enough way so as to often go completely undetected. The big advantage here is that we having been working to restore what is *natural* - it is totally natural for humankind to evolve beyond this mode of reality, particularly at the moment of the singularity - and what has been ongoing for many thousands of years has been a kind of re-engineering away from that natural evolution - towards something very different. We are undoing that, and helping out with other things at the same time.

The different future has been hinted at quite a bit already above - but to be even more clear - what is seen is the empowerment of the awakened masses by way of achieving consensus opinion (no longer wasting time arguing on minor details if we agree on the vast majority of most important issues), and the provision of much more practical information to allow teamwork to occur on an unprecedented scale - to build our own solution, so to speak. There will be a kind of achievement of a "parallel internet", a "human internet", in fact this already exists - information exchange is occurring on a constant basis - some of us are like relay stations - major nodes receiving and sending information constantly.

We are cracking open the channel to the source - the energy stream that allows composers, authors, artists, scientists, etc - to make their masterpieces, their discoveries, and so forth - and we are keeping it open. It's no longer a matter of finding that miracle moment - it's a 24/7 connection to source - and this is incredibly empowering. This is going to be provided for everyone - along with a clear guide on how to keep one's own channel open all the time too - warning, it takes a complete transformation - the awakening must be complete - all the internal blocks removed - all the dirty laundry from the past washed, all the residual trauma gone - like a phoenix rising. There are walking examples of this now - it is absolutely possible for us to help one another towards this end - everyone simply helps the ones who are a little less further along than they are, and so on and so forth, all along the ascension chain.




"it is important to stress at this time that the information about to be brought forward was certainly not obtained in any "usual" manner."

- In what unusual manner was it obtained then? By channeling? Remote viewing? Lucid dreaming?

What began as Remote Viewing has now progressed to a constant connection - the definition is invalid in a way, because it suggests actively going out of one's way. After a point it becomes a constant connection - all needed information is always accessible. The key is knowing that one has access to only and exactly what one really needs to know. Remote Viewing is on a leisure sport - in training, many less successful trainees were so focused on materialism "I want to get this or that". Few understood that they could get the things that they truly needed, and the focus is supposed to be on the intangible. Even when you need a lot of tools and get them all, the tools are not the end goal - it's what you build with them - the experiences those new things allow for, and what those experiences deliver.

So it's a bit strange to accumulate so many years of data and keep it mostly contained (was only ever shared on the RV forum, a very very tiny site with small community that did not have a lot of overlap with any other sites). Now it's time to let the dam burst.



it all begins with belief, belief that it is actually possible to be in the company of those experiencing reality in a very different manner than what is considered "orthodox".

- What entities do you mean by "those experiencing reality in a very different manner than what is considered "orthodox"." and where or how did you accompany them? In real, dreams or imagination?

I am one of those entities. It's all about how you identify with your reality. There is something known as an X-Dream. There are ways of getting a glimpse of what an X-Dream is when certain spiritual endeavors are undertaken (not common in the West). An X-Dream is a crossing over of selfs, so that the self that is "inside" goes on the "outside" and vice versa. Once you have had an X-Dream (these occur in a non-instantaneous way, you can be in transition for years and then finally you see that it is complete), the aspects of yourself internal to the single life and external to it have effectively traded places. But, because you identify most with the aspect of yourself that knows itself in terms of a single life, you feel like you are watching your own life from outside of it - that everything has already happened, and you are watching a movie starring yourself, etc. This has been detailed by the RV system I had trained in far better than I ever could.

You feel as though you have escaped from linear time because exactly what has happened at different time points is now accessible to you, as well as what will happen along various possible future timelines, where the major branching points in these timelines are, why they are there, etc.

That is kind of a way of representing a 4D experience. But it was not enough for me. The decision was made to continue on to obtain a 5D experience, which has more to do with fractal zoom and understanding what happens when you zoom deeper and deeper down inside of a sub-atomic particle, what happens when you zoom all the way out so that the entire universe is a tiny spec, and so forth. 5D was much, much more interesting for me.

There are entities which also exist in both of these dimensions, some are progressing as usual, some are stuck, etc. There are even higher dimensions but somehow going too far would definitely mean that you are not going back. Since we understand the 1st dimension but not the 0th, conversely the 5th dimension is about as far away from the 3rd as it is probably safe to go. I think the higher dimensions are kind of like with beings of light, but not very sure what their priorities are, etc. It's incomprehensible.



from there, the understanding that it is in fact very much possible that a bridge can be constructed between modes of experiential realities can be achieved.

- What are these "modes of experiential realities" exactly?

Now I've started to cover this - this has been detailed above. Ascension doesn't have to be a passive activity. It can be pursued actively. I, and many others, are here specifically to ensure that if needed, the "ascension dial" can be turned up higher to ensure that we don't head into some kind of dystopian future that of course leads into a time loop.

The modes of experiential reality are exactly as detailed - the dimensional experiences. Living in a higher dimension is just as natural as living in 3D. What's very, very important to explain, is that these modes of experiential reality are not discrete - you do not experience 3D in a solid chunk and then "snap" into 4D suddenly - you flow from one to the next. We are flowing away from 3D, and how far we go, how much we "stop to smell the roses", so to speak, will have everything to do with how willing other entities are to cooperate and allow everyone to benefit mutually, while also unentangling the dependency chain between the well-being of some life forms from others - so that we can all be free and not be oppressed in our own respective ways.

The idea here is to complete the operation in a way that allows for the greatest good for the greatest majority - because choosing favorites would only keep things as they already are. The universe is kind of in a galactic mess in terms of interactions between entities and this needs to be over with - it's a stalemate and of course then it would take some outside influence to get things going again.

Long story short - we could end up in 4D, we could end up in 5D, it all depends. In a way, to "smell the roses" and go into 4D would be better, but this would only happen if things were completely worked out, because otherwise, 5D would be better.



all that is left from that point forward is, indeed, to provide the "WHAT", the "HOW", and so forth. it will all be done.
- By whom? Some benevolent species? God?

Ah, "God". Here's a little secrete I'd like to share. Study the mathematics of a fellow by the name of Georg Cantor. Even if you can't understand them, try to understand "of" them. Or, understand why he was driven mad in his pursuit of the infinite. All the answers lie there.

Gnosticism had it right - the demi-urge makes much more sense mathematically than a "God" that is directly "one level above" our own, so to speak. In other words, the "bi-ble" notion of "God" is much too simple, it makes way too many assumptions on how small reality is, mostly because 2000 years ago, there was absolutely no way that humans could comprehend just how incredibly vast reality really is.

Let's paint a picture here. I am here, in my copy of reality. You are there, in yours. When we interact, our copies of reality interface, they become the same reality for as long as we interact. After we stop, they part ways again.

There are as many copies of reality in simultaneous existence as there are *individuals* experiencing them *individually*. What really messes with this system is collective consciousnesses. These apply what I mentioned above to force the copies to merge in much larger multiplexes. This has incredible power.

Now, multiply that by all of the probable futures in the matrix. Each one can potentially exist, and must be computed to exist ahead of time. Why? Because the entire time cycles are all constructed ahead of time. They are based on development cycles with resets for failure to develop.

That not big enough yet? Try navigating 5D, where you zoom all the way out of the universe or all the way into a sub-atomic particle, and you keep going.. and going.. and going. Your universe is inside of a sub-atomic particle of another universe - and so it that one, and the next one, and the next one. All of the sub-atomic particles in your universe have universes inside of them, and so do all the sub-atomic particles in those universes, and so on, and so on.

There are mobius strip / klein bottle / etc loopbacks so that the sheer vastness of these scales of infinity are contained, but still, can you imagine?

This is all before even starting on simulation theory, which argues that what is "natural" and what is "artificial" dovetail with one another infinitely as well - all realities can be treated as simulations inside higher "layers" of reality - to have things play out in order to learn something new from then...

- can all these "different" kinds of humans learn to get along on this planet? even if we mess with them?
- can all these "different" entities in this universe learn to get along? even if we mess with them?
- can we learn from how the simulation has gone in order to solve our own problems better?

"God" is only Prime Creator, and has no real affairs in any of this - there are demi-urges all along the meta-dimensional walkway, the "ladder to heaven". Meta-reality is so, so, so, so vast, any desire to "reach God" is simply to go with the flow, "Vers la Flamme".



it all begins with belief, belief that it is actually possible.......

- Yes, it all begins with BELIEF, .....

And after belief, knowingness. We WILL turn the tides. 2016 is the beginning.

[observer]

^^^^

Hallelujah triquetra!!! Raise my hands to the heavens and praise the lord!!! Another savior has been delivered....

Perhaps when one approaches their seventh decade living on this planet, one will come to realize everything being suggested is all another way of repeating the same old mantras.

For the past [at least] 15 thousand years there have been small groups of pilgrams attempting to create just such a reality as you are suggesting. It hasn't worked yet. Why? Because something beyond our perception is maintaining an absolute control of the Common Reality. That's what this thread is about waking-up to.

But thanks for your effort....

[ulli]

Observer, I believe your Capricorn moon is showing.

All you can see is a gym room with an exit to an underground car park.
And the blood, sweat and tears of those who go there to build muscle.

I have this hunch that you would like the basement gym to turn into an icecream parlor with a view, but have given up hope.

Your vision of hell is just as old as other people's vision of heaven, so nothing new there.
I'd say it's time you start questioning your own Saturnian trap.

Infinity goes into all directions, and choosing a direction leads to the first step.

[heyokah]

[..... big snip]

And after belief, knowingness. We WILL turn the tides. 2016 is the beginning.
Thank you triquetra, for the effort you took in trying to answer my questions.


After having been brought-up by parents without any religion or dogma,

after having been the pain-in-the-ass of my all my school teachers, for questioning everything that didn't make sense to me,

after having had a NDE at age 24 (1971), when 3 weeks in coma, during which I travelled the dimensions and "met with light beings",

after joining the Society for spiritualists for over 6 years to find the answers to my questions,

after studying all kinds of religions and philosophies, from Buddhism to Gurdjieff, from Gnosticism to Steiner,

after 5 years of studying to become a Raja Yoga teacher,

after practicing Zen meditation, studying shamanism and Native American wisdom.......

I can now only sigh.... and say, I can't wait to see you and your friends turn the tides in 2016,.....
But excuse me if I will remain that same pain-in-the-ass of all the "teachers" that I always was and will always be.

Amor, the Prime Creator, will watch us and smile.

[Flash]

Observer, I sincerely do think that Triquetra is making real, worthwhile efforts for the betterment of others and of this planet. That he could be side tracked, as we all are at time, is a possibility.

Each one his own step towards real freedom, with some traps on the path, it would not be interesting otherwise.

I would not call his ideas as Halleluia I am the savior kind, although he may have the feeling sometimes. And to tell the truth, even me I have that feeling about my own posts at times, or about Carmody's, or about Ulli's, or about Finefeather, or about.... you see where I am going right?

So yes, a heartfilled thank for your efforts Triquetra.

See, SEE, with an open heart Observer, and only then process with the brain. At heart levels, Triquetra is fine. At brain levels, well, we all have to process.

I must add that I truly enjoy your thread, precisely because of these vast and sometimes seemingly opposite views (they are not in fact, believe me)



^^^^

Hallelujah triquetra!!! Raise my hands to the heavens and praise the lord!!! Another savior has been delivered....

Perhaps when one approaches their seventh decade living on this planet, one will come to realize everything being suggested is all another way of repeating the same old mantras.

For the past [at least] 15 thousand years there have been small groups of pilgrams attempting to create just such a reality as you are suggesting. It hasn't worked yet. Why? Because something beyond our perception is maintaining an absolute control of the Common Reality. That's what this thread is about waking-up to.

But thanks for your effort....

[observer]

Observer, I believe your Capricorn moon is showing.

All you can see is a gym room with an exit to an underground car park.
And the blood, sweat and tears of those who go there to build muscle.

I have this hunch that you would like the basement gym to turn into an icecream parlor with a view, but have given up hope.

Your vision of hell is just as old as other people's vision of heaven, so nothing new there.
I'd say it's time you start questioning your own Saturnian trap.

Infinity goes into all directions, and choosing a direction leads to the first step.

ulli,

I do my best to follow the trails of evidence.

Other's choose to follow their hopes, dreams, and fantasies - most often the result of Artificially Suggested Thoughts.

In no circumstance, have I ever suggested that the topics I comment-on, should be believed as the gospel word. The information is simply being presented as an alternate interpretation to what is predominately believed in the Common Reality.

We are all free to choose the direction in which we travel. Have a pleasant journey....

[heyokah]

****

When we have the bad guys to blame, we let ourselves off the hook. Then we don't have to give our best.

The only thing the predator class fears is a clear thinking human being. That's why they spy on us and want to dumb us down.

Hope and believe is only there to help us cope with evil.... It's keeping us on their side.

The question is "are we on our OWN side"....?

What's needed is a new infusion of energy and that energy comes from clear coherent use of our intelligence.

Think as a human being first.

It's all about energy.


This comes from John Trudell's video "Ï'm Crazy?"
See Delight's post on the "Put Another log On The Fire" Thread.


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[.....snip]

http://gnosticwarrior.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/john-trudell.jpg

Here is John Trudell again.

ctUecTdPEO0

[observer]

Allow me to cross-post a reply I made to Delights comment #800 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84653-Put-Another-Log-On-The-Fire&p=1024963&viewfull=1#post1024963) in the "Put Another log On The Fire" Thread . I believe my reply in that thread will shed some light on the nature of my comments on this website.


I too have been a long supporter of John Trudell's work, see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48662-American-Indian-John-Trudell-on-the-word---HOPE--&p=539492&viewfull=1#post539492), and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48662-American-Indian-John-Trudell-on-the-word---HOPE--&p=544517&viewfull=1#post544517).

These comments were replies to a video posted in the OP of a thread titled "American Indian - John Trudell on the word-- “HOPE”, some time ago. Here's the video posted in that OP:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mI22587QAE

If you go to around the four minute mark of the Trudell video that Delight posted, below, you will hear John begin talking about an "energy-feeding/mining-process".



Here is John Trudell again.

ctUecTdPEO0

I like my idea that there is no enemy for me, not me, not anyone. I feel this is so relaxing and I am feeling energy move through me that is organic, healing and reviving as I allow all the butterflies of all my intense relationships fly free.

This feeding/mining-process is not limited to the "global industrialists", as John describes them. This mining-process goes into other-dimensional-domains through the continuous ritualistic practices of those global elite. A ritualistic practice designed to gain and hold power through the influences of other dimensional entities.

Knowing how this feeding/mining-process is working on our intelligence/consciousness, is not about creating-a-boogieman to blame, just as John doesn't blame those "global industrialists" in his lecture. The knowledge is about understanding a process that has been hidden from the Mass Consciousness of Humanity since this holographic-free-will-game began.

Using this knowledge correctly is all about, "showing respect to our Spiritual Creator in a healthy, clear, coherent, and respectful way"

So you see, my work here is not about "having bad guys to blame, and letting ourselves off the hook", it's about Waking-Up to the mechanisms operating out-of-sight and doing something about it, out of my respect for our Creator, Amor, the God of Unconditional Love....

[Flash]

Yes observer, we see it, what your target is, you just do not go far enough in my views. Once we know those dark énergies are feeding off what we emit, called sometimes loosh, once we know how the beliefs systems work and are kind of mind controlling us, once we know bits about the dark technologies and how it is used against us, which many if not most avalonians are already aware of, once we know all this, what do we do with it?

You want to give us the WHAT, which is commendable, why not have the WHY and HOW as well, to get to potential solutions, individual and collective. And while we are at it, why not have the when and where?

For all of it, we have to go much further than what has ever been posted before. It also has to go further than our 3D vision, actual world paradigms and beliefs systems. If we present only the what and basic surface why (to feed themselves), we do not go far enough. This thead is interesting because some members are trying this exercise of going much further with some precisions.

If you want to stick to the what at any price, let us know, so that we take the deeper and magnifying views to other posts and threads.

However, if you want to keep posting the whats, as you have just done in the below section, for those who lack this information, while getting the rest too, WOW, you would have my admiration for it, this is a more difficult task.


Allow me to cross-post a reply I made to Delights comment #800 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84653-Put-Another-Log-On-The-Fire&p=1024963&viewfull=1#post1024963) in the "Put Another log On The Fire" Thread . I believe my reply in that thread will shed some light on the nature of my comments on this website.


I too have been a long supporter of John Trudell's work, see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48662-American-Indian-John-Trudell-on-the-word---HOPE--&p=539492&viewfull=1#post539492), and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48662-American-Indian-John-Trudell-on-the-word---HOPE--&p=544517&viewfull=1#post544517).

These comments were replies to a video posted in the OP of a thread titled "American Indian - John Trudell on the word-- “HOPE”, some time ago. Here's the video posted in that OP:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mI22587QAE

If you go to around the four minute mark of the Trudell video that Delight posted, below, you will hear John begin talking about an "energy-feeding/mining-process".



Here is John Trudell again.

ctUecTdPEO0

I like my idea that there is no enemy for me, not me, not anyone. I feel this is so relaxing and I am feeling energy move through me that is organic, healing and reviving as I allow all the butterflies of all my intense relationships fly free.

This feeding/mining-process is not limited to the "global industrialists", as John describes them. This mining-process goes into other-dimensional-domains through the continuous ritualistic practices of those global elite. A ritualistic practice designed to gain and hold power through the influences of other dimensional entities.

Knowing how this feeding/mining-process is working on our intelligence/consciousness, is not about creating-a-boogieman to blame, just as John doesn't blame those "global industrialists" in his lecture. The knowledge is about understanding a process that has been hidden from the Mass Consciousness of Humanity since this holographic-free-will-game began.

Using this knowledge correctly is all about, "showing respect to our Spiritual Creator in a healthy, clear, coherent, and respectful way"

So you see, my work here is not about "having bad guys to blame, and letting ourselves off the hook", it's about Waking-Up to the mechanisms operating out-of-sight and doing something about it, out of my respect for our Creator, Amor, the God of Unconditional Love....

[observer]

Thanks Flash for your analysis, where you conclude that, "we see it,"and "I just do not go far enough".

I would have to counter-point with, "you just haven't gone deep enough into what I've been saying over the past five years, on this website".

Among the bullet points of my conclusions, one will discover:


Most channeled messages are the result of Artificially Implanted Telepathy.
This reality is not broken, it is working exactly how it was designed to operate.
Minority groups of individuals cannot change the system; change requires a majority consensus.
We find ourselves dwelling among the fallen.
This Reality is a farming operation.
We exist here in a Prison Matrix.
This Prison Matrix has been operating with designed efficiency since the Dawn of Humanity.
At certain points, and in great antiquity, a total restart of the system has been triggered.
This triggering mechanism has always occurred when enough elements of the population have begun to figure-out the system.
The only way to change the system is to develop an Exit Strategy.

This is just a short list of the points I'm suggesting the readers of this thread Wake-Up to.

Throughout my tenure, here on this website, I have encountered a wall of human opposition to the points listed above - in addition to many other points which I didn't list. Allow me to suggest this reaction is an example of self-imposed-compliance to the system.

I didn't come to these conclusions through any conditioning filters, rather, these conclusions are the result of years of investigation through the study of countless subjects. I'm approaching my seventh decade on this planet, and there is much to be said regarding the experience-factor.

Additionally allow me to suggest, hardly anyone in our Common Reality are discussing these points, making the very mention of them a taboo subject.

When you say I don't offer any "how" to the dilemma, I would suggest, you are really not considering the Waking-Up-to-these-considerations, as an integral part of the "how".

Finely, I would suggest a caveat:

These conclusions are my own personal observations. I'm seeking no reward for suggesting them, nor am I imposing them on anyone. Every individual is free to accept or reject these analyses as they see fit. Anyone is free to move-on to other threads of interest.

As a general statement, I simply ask not to be personally attacked for offering my opinion.

[triquetra]

I don't think anyone is attacking you?

But this is good. Don't you find the discussion good?

We are seemingly in agreement on almost all aspects. I too believe that developing what you call an "Exit Strategy" is of the utmost importance.
However we may differ in our opinions of how to go about designing and executing on the strategy. Whether it is an individual or collective process.
Perhaps it's best to try both approaches at once, and see which one works best?

I even agree with your statistics about channeled messages, but I don't understand much about your definition of the source of where the messages are coming from. Would you be able to elaborate?

I am extremely serious about my information sources and like hekoyah have studied in a fairly wide range of areas for a fairly large number of years.

hekoyah - I also had an NDE, and also communicated most memorably with indescribable beings. The difference for me was receiving a large burst of information in exchange for a promise to do the work, to fulfill a role. It is why I am here now...

observer, I think the heart of the matter is a discussion of whether those controlling the real origins of the system we are trapped in have particular motives for what they are doing, whether they are willing to negotiate, and whether they are willing to entertaining the offer of improved solutions. I would like to know more about the sources you had obtained for the theory you currently believe in.

my information is probably extremely similar, the differences in my opinion come exclusively as a result of the work i've been doing for about 15 years to try to change things.

in other words, if i had been sitting idly by, i'd probably be in complete agreement with you on all parts - this cycle had failed again, it would be soon time to hit the reset button and start up another civilization. the idea is to let humans believe it is their own fault, to bake that understanding into the ends of various religious texts.

to let the humans make the documentaries about how everything is their fault, despite the fact that they were routinely led into ways of developing society that would be unsustainable. to be provoked into aggressive attitudes, to be encouraged to do coldhearted experiments and believe it is for the greater good, to train parts of humanity to be far less human.

however it is my belief that whether consciously, or more likely subconsciously, those responsible do not themselves want to be maintainers of what is effectively a time loop, repeating the same process over and over again. the only reason for going through the process again and again is to be looking for an answer, a ghost, perhaps, to emerge within the system, to lead the way out.

what i'm saying is that this has worked, the ghost has appeared this time around, and the way out is before us.

but it will be the responsibility of the ones in control to slow the pace of destruction down, to reduce the amount of escalating global conflict and destabilization of climate long enough for us to carry out what needs to be carried out in the years to come.

i cannot go into too much detail in this post/thread because you will be upset if my post is too long, but the process involves some fairly specific mathematics in conjunction with a great many details, including construction of structures with specific acoustic resonances, and the kind of things that take place in these structures. when combined with modern technologies such as networking, it can have a tremendous global impact and then a riptide of harmonic energy sent outward from the earth at a time of specific alignment in the cosmos.

that is enough for now.

[observer]

The comment about being, "personally attacked", was a general statement, triquetra, and was not directed at you.




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I even agree with your statistics about channeled messages, but I don't understand much about your definition of the source of where the messages are coming from. Would you be able to elaborate?


Keeping the explanations simple, and to-the-point helps with the communication process.

From the Nag Hammadi Library, we discover the Nazarene Christians, A.K.A. the Gnostic Christians, believed there is a "demonic" presence (Archons) patrolling the "afterlife", A.K.A. The Astral Plane. There are specific text dealing with how to escape the traps of these Archonic Gatekeepers.

The evidence indicates Telepathic Messages have been a foundational part of the Human Experience since the Dawn of Man. After nearly fifty years of research into possibly hundreds of seers, clairvoyants, oracles, prophets, transmitters, channelers, and a myriad of other names one might apply to the phenomena, I've come to trust very little information implanted in the mind of another individual through the process of telepathic communication. Very little of it is void of Artificial Telepathic Technology - ancient or contemporary.

Which begs the question, how do you see Remote Viewing as anything different from the list?

My Exit-Strategy conclusion is that, absolutely NOTHING can be done to fix the problem. This reality is working with design efficiency - FOR THE PSYCHOPATHS/HYPERDIMENSIONAL-ENTITIESrunning the program. The best thing any individual, seeking a change to this reality can do, is figure-out how to get out of the matrix - leave it behind. We can address Exit Strategies, but I'm still convinced the death experience is a very personal adventure.

I hope this addresses your concerns.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

My own experience-
Belief creates reality, and there are as many realities as there are beliefs. Many people are determined to believe there is some commonly experienced external reality. So, for them this is true. For others, another reality exists.Take a moment to examine your present and accept it as a manifestation of the beliefs you hold. It is your reality, not necessarily mine. Indeed there are multiplicities of realities contained in this moment and you are free to choose. Material abundance, health and personal joy are available within ANY larger belief matrix. Creating a personal reality is simple, our birthright as humans. From there, our group realities flow and coalesce. We find ourselves here, now. The "now" stretches to encompass eternity. The choice is yours.

[triquetra]

observer - with Remote Viewing... you are not being fed in information. you are going out there and getting it for yourself.

we need to construct together a picture of how everything has come to be the way it is. I too have studied Gnosticism extensively and also believe considerably in the principles of this branch of the faith, and also saw why it was pushed out of the way at the Council of Nicaea.

There has been a problem that has remained unsolved for a very long time, relating to ascension. The problem is with the 4th dimension. It is out of step with the Fibonacci series and as such no entity is supposed to evolve into it, because they become stuck there.

The problem with this dimension is that a life form becomes doomed to repeat cycles of time over and over again, there is nothing new to experience, just the same cycles in increasingly extraordinary lengths of time.

The 5th dimension on the other hand is the intended destiny for evolving out of the third dimension. In the 5th dimension you can explore along the fractal zoom axis, and gain a more diverse kind of experience by understanding that not only do the three dimensions of space and fourth dimension of time extend "indefinitely" in either direction, but so does the dimension of zoom.

You don't have to sit there accelerating particles to find tinier things, or ponder about the borders of the universe, because in the 5th dimension you can go beyond these limits easily.

So the problem here is that no one has found a solution to assist these beings in getting out of the 4th dimension and ascending along with other entities. It is seemingly a very difficult problem to solve.

So they have created these kinds of civilizations such as our own all over the universe, in order to farm the solution. To find the exact pattern of planetary analog computer simulation manipulation that yields the result - the formula that solves the equation.

Guess what - it was found right here, on planet Earth. This is why there was prophecy that what happens here will have an effect that ripples out to other solar systems and galaxies - it will free not only us, but many other similar planets from the never ending civilization cycles that you can practically build a calendar from (which the Mayans did...)

So I'm telling you, you could go and drift off through the archon gates but you will be missing out on something pretty amazaing that is going to start happening here very soon, just as the climate is destabilizing, the "promised ones" are finding out that what they were promised was not exactly all true (though the part of the planet they are so interested in really IS very important), the masses finally coming around in realizing that the perpetuation of conflict "by any means necessary" is all a part of an appeasement program that has a lot more to do with satisfying the energy needs of entities we can't even see (in this dimension), etc.

Just as this civilization would be getting shut down, eased via the pre-programming that "humans did it to themselves, they should accept the end of their civilization because they brought it upon themselves", etc., that's not going to happen this time. It's going to pivot, suddenly, because a clear answer is emerging about the structure of a solution based off of a precise sequence of input variables.

Code has been obtained to break out of this system, it will be gradually broken down and organized and built back up right here, on this forum, because it has got to be the best place on the internet for this kind of work.

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

I have been learning a lot from reading your posts and the posts of others despite being a bit quiet on the forum for the past few weeks.

I can't wait to see what 2016 brings and am really looking forward to see where these discussions lead us and getting a first hand experience of 5d.

What you said about collective consciousness messing with the system, was a big lightening bolt for me, as I can see how this can tilt reality in a different trajectory, especially if some powerful creators on this forum can agree on the situation we are in and the best way to get out of it. It will create some powerful ripples.

I never mastered the RI/RV technique to view timelines in the probability matrix, if you have any hints on how to do this, or outline what worked for you after doing the course I would be interested in your thoughts.

When you use these specific wave based devices to reach a 5d state, do you have trouble interacting in a 3d environment again when you come out of their electromagnetic influence?

Cheers

Scott

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

I read this quote from your last post and was interested to know more about the part of the planet of interest you mention.

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So I'm telling you, you could go and drift off through the archon gates but you will be missing out on something pretty amazaing that is going to start happening here very soon, just as the climate is destabilizing, the "promised ones" are finding out that what they were promised was not exactly all true (though the part of the planet they are so interested in really IS very important), the masses finally coming around in realizing that the perpetuation of conflict "by any means necessary" is all a part of an appeasement program that has a lot more to do with satisfying the energy needs of entities we can't even see (in this dimension), etc."

I suspect it has something to do with the Middle East, I imagine the conflicts playing out in Iraq and Syria are a manifestation of other higher dimensional spiritual conflicts. These lands are so riddled with war and negative energy, maybe they have just been inhabited for such a long period of time so that there is a lot of negative entity pollution which stirs these kind of things into action. I guess there are high vibratory places in the world and low ones.

If you have ever been to an old prison or other place where bad things have happened, I have often got the feeling that I just want to get out of there as quickly as possible. There are a few places like that in Australia but not many, as most of our landscapes are free of this sort of historical contamination, unlike other parts of the world like Europe and the Middle East.

I am not too sure how the energy appeasement program works, but our society does seem to be designed to create anxiety and fear, I am still unsure how these human emotional energies are a snack for something in the 4d realm and how these entities organise themselves at this level to achieve this.

I am looking forward to hearing more about breaking out of the system and doing the work so I can do this and help others in the process over the next few years too.


Cheers Scott

[triquetra]

The ARVARI system, if you used it, had one RV session on the future (I wore out the tape nearly).

This was something I did on my own I guess, after doing that RV session so many times. It was possible to map out the timelines.
There are key frequency combinations, that is all. How reality plays itself out, in its entirety beyond how basic nature would behave without humankind, has everything to do with the frequencies we absorb and emit just before reality takes place.

We will be in a particular biostate at a particular "choice point", a point where the future forks depending on a decision we have to make. Based on that biostate we will more likely choose one way of going over another.

By confronting choice points actively, rather than passively, we can begin to (with practice), "feel out" the future by instantly evaluating the vibrations of different choices at the moment just before we have to choose.

This allows you to choose all choice points with the better vibration, and in a sense you optimize your life within your means - you make the biggest improvement from day to day that you can.

Eventually this leads to more and more ambitious choice points, where you begin to make choices well out of the old scope of a simpler life, and suddenly you are combining RV with RI - seeing the future constantly but at the same time realizing what you want by "feeling" your way to it.

When you reach this pivotal moment where you see RV and RI as a single entity that twists and dovetails like a DNA pair, you are well on your way to reinterpreting reality in terms of the 4th and 5th dimensions, the illusion of 3D reality just sort of gives way, once you clearly see how interacting with others is more a matter of temporarily "merging" each of your "copies" of reality together, as it is going and meeting them in a certain 3D location, for example.

The wave devices are not needed necessarily to reach a 5th dimensional interpretation of reality, but they do greatly assist those who did not have the time to spend in years of meditation training.

Just as people learned to spend most of their life in a high beta and low gamma brainwave state, they can so too learn other, much healthier brainwave states which will greatly ease and accelerate the mental transition out of something that can go back to the illusion and accept it any longer.

This is the idea to rescue the masses - we cannot hold them accountable for the situation they find themselves in, as it has been forced upon them over the decades and generations. People definitely want and need something better than this, if it can be provided.

So the answer is yes, absolutely, it is harder and harder to interact with the 3D environment again, but only in terms of mental preference.

We don't want to necessarily "go back" to a way of thinking that twists emotions and attempts at logical discussion together in a way that is any less than seamless....

The best thing about the "future" (5d) is that harnessing of the emotional band of frequencies as a means of communication and signal transmission is complete.

You see evidence of this kind of communication in whales and dolphins, for example.

But once everyone begins to make the transition, there will be no need to worry about going back to 3d interaction any longer. We will be able to move on, even as some other entities might wish instead to continue this 3d and 4d experience