Cobra and Corey credibility question

[vanlakos]

Hello everyone! :)

I'am new here and I did search for a 30-60 min but haven't been able to find questions that I'd like to address here.
What do you think about Cobra and Corey credibility based on your experience and so on?

Thank you for all your answers in advance :)

[Zionbrion]

This is a good place to start, only 532 comments to read :)

I'm not sure the general consensus on Conra, but I know Goode is not received well here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock

[vanlakos]

Thank u very much! :) I will take a look!
I hope other people van share their opinion too :)

[DeDukshyn]

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I'am new here and I did search for a 30-60 min

30-60 minutes of searching on Corey Goode should turn up an awful broad range of discussion on Corey himself and what we generally think.



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but haven't been able to find questions that I'd like to address here.
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What exactly is it you want to address?? :confused:

[vanlakos]

30-60 minutes of searching on Corey Goode should turn up an awful broad range of discussion on Corey himself and what we generally think.

Cool... could you please post link? I wasn't able to find, the only thread I found was the one that posted by Zionbrion above but it doesn't say anything about Cobra...


What exactly is it you want to address?? :confused:

I'am not native speaker and maybe I wasn't correct but to I just have two questions:
1. What is your opinion about Corey credibility?
2. What is your opinion about Cobra credibility?

I haven't been on forums that much, so I don't know if I can ask this question? As I can see this thread has like 500+ views but only 2 replies :) does that mean that this question is stupid? or nobody has their own opinion about this subject? or this question shouldn't be asked because its rude? or?

[idiit]

corey used to interact ( I think he posted here iirc) with some projectavalon members and he has a s*** reputation here.

I really like cobra and think he's the real deal. here's the advanced search for project Avalon on "cobra":http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=12234527

[vanlakos]

corey used to interact ( I think he posted here iirc) with some projectavalon members and he has a s*** reputation here.

I really like cobra and think he's the real deal. here's the advanced search for project Avalon on "cobra":http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=12234527

Thank you for answering my questions! Appreciate it. I hope other people can take those questions seriously because people that are new to all this would like to know other well informed people about their opinion and this thread would help them.

I've clicked on that link and got result - "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

My own opinion about Cobra is the same as yours = positive, mainly because of:
1. the way he answers questions (direct answer without any junk words)
2. when he speaks, he doesn't have alot of "emmm.." or "eeee...." or "hmm..." in his answers. I mean that information flow is clear which makes me feel that he knows what he is talking about and his mind is focused on the topic so he is able to answer question clearly.
There is one BUT point that I have with Cobra and it is because of answer that he gave about food. The question was (I don't remember exact question) about food and what we supposed to be eating (vegetarian? meat? fruits?) and his answer was "I cannot answer that question because I'am not dietologist" or smth like that, BUT he was able to answer alot of other questions.... so that makes me feel that he is everyone except dietologist? He seem to know everything but when it comes to eating habits and questions about true food of humanity then he decided to avoid this question by answering that? :) what you think?

My own opinion about Corey is not yet clear, am not sure, because:
1. He doesn't answer questions right away, he is taking alot of time to think of answer and sometimes repeat what DW is saying (trying to help answer question? because answer to a question is sometimes in the question of DW?)
That doesn't makes him not credible, but it makes me little bit suspicious. I know that he might not be a great speaker and its not easy to filter info (maybe he is not allowed to say more than he wanted and that why he has to take all those periods in his speech?). Still info that he is sharing is interesting and the fact that his info is more helping than not, makes me feel that he is for us than against.

[idiit]

I've clicked on that link and got result - "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

the advanced search fuction here at projectavalon works pretty good imo. just go to advanced search (at the top of the page, right hand side) and enter search terms ( ie corey, or cobra) click the posts circle instead of threads circle and hit search now bottom right part of the search page.


My own opinion about Corey is not yet clear, am not sure,

^ me too.

corey has stated that the "blue avians" are pissed at him for past personal behavior on corey's part.

ppl at this forum are pissed at corey for past behavior on corey's part.

the whole corey saga is kind of a "no go territory" here at parojectavalon due to the drama being gone over so many times. the forum is pretty sick of even discussing corey anymore is my take and a possible explantation on why so many views/so few replies.

i'm still open minded on the content of what corey and wilcock are putting forth but i'm in a small minority here ( I might be the only member of said small minority). :)

I don't pay much attention to the corey material anymore until some other informed credible sources pop up and substantiate corey and wilcock's claims. there are a lot of other stories to follow and post on.



"I cannot answer that question because I'am not dietologist" or smth like that, BUT he was able to answer alot of other questions.... so that makes me feel that he is everyone except dietologist? He seem to know everything but when it comes to eating habits and questions about true food of humanity then he decided to avoid this question by answering that? what you think?



^ my take is that is not a big deal. he can't be informed on everything and his wording might not have been optimum.

I just sit back and watch the show progress. it sure beats watching sport shows or "sitcoms". :)

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[vanlakos]

I've clicked on that link and got result - "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

the advanced search fuction here at projectavalon works pretty good imo. just go to advanced search (at the top of the page, right hand side) and enter search terms ( ie corey, or cobra) click the posts circle instead of threads circle and hit search now bottom right part of the search page.


My own opinion about Corey is not yet clear, am not sure,

^ me too.

corey has stated that the "blue avians" are pissed at him for past personal behavior on corey's part.

ppl at this forum are pissed at corey for past behavior on corey's part.

the whole corey saga is kind of a "no go territory" here at parojectavalon due to the drama being gone over so many times. the forum is pretty sick of even discussing corey anymore is my take and a possible explantation on why so many views/so few replies.

i'm still open minded on the content of what corey and wilcock are putting forth but i'm in a small minority here ( I might be the only member of said small minority). :)

I don't pay much attention to the corey material anymore until some other informed credible sources pop up and substantiate corey and wilcock's claims. there are a lot of other stories to follow and post on.



"I cannot answer that question because I'am not dietologist" or smth like that, BUT he was able to answer alot of other questions.... so that makes me feel that he is everyone except dietologist? He seem to know everything but when it comes to eating habits and questions about true food of humanity then he decided to avoid this question by answering that? what you think?



^ my take is that is not a big deal. he can't be informed on everything and his wording might not have been optimum.

I just sit back and watch the show progress. it sure beats watching sport shows or "sitcoms". :)

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Thank you for very detailed answer! (This is the kind answer I expected from other guys :))

I didn't know that people from this forum are so pissed off Corey... so want to apologize that I've asked smth that pissed you off.
There is still Cobra question that is up for discussion :)


my take is that is not a big deal. he can't be informed on everything and his wording might not have been optimum.
Yes, that is not a big deal I agree, but its smth that is doesn't add up... Anyway I've wrote several detailed questions for Cobra and I hope that those questions will be picked up and I'am looking forward to hear an answer from him in the future :)

[Sunny-side-up]

Corey has been trashed over the past few months!
But ill say this about him:
He put out a great deal of very interesting information, very thought provoking,
was it all BS?
I don't know? so I don't through all of the info out, some might be very real!

It was a great trip reading his posts, if these times where not so crucial, I would have said it had been fun!

[Frankie]

Hi,

David Wilcock has earned credibility and is very ethical and a humanitarian. Corey is also sincere. If there is any disinformation involved then it would be due to the potential mind control of Corey...who has been programmed extensively. In this case both Corey and David have been unwittingly manipulated. Who knows with any certainty whether there are blue Avians, but the story is a very hopeful one and plausible since the Blue Avians are not connected with any other groups and definitely may be a long overdue counterpoint to the Reptilians negative agenda. I myself hope that the story is true but Corey and David definitely believe it.

[Frankie]

Hi,

All three are sincere. Cobra is really on the front lines all the time. No one of course is totally infallible or has a monopoly on the truth. Corey has been programmed extensively and for this reason could be an unwitting tool of disinformation. David is very optimistic and positive...though he could be gullible because he assumes the Blue Avians are the Ra Group which he links to a very early incarnation and to 'The Law of One' which has been the foundation for all of his work. Whether or not this is true both Corey and David believe what they say. I hope that they are right because it is a very positive story and a counterpoint to the very negative Reptilian agenda.

[Matthew]

I'm very dubious here's why

We have the blue avians telling us we need to sort our own problems out, which they will do for us all except the last bit we can just about do ourselves. They're not here to be our saviours and we need their help because we can only manage the last bit. We can do it ourselves except we need them. Not very empowering. Then they're shielding us from cosmic waves because we're not strong enough to take it but we could but we need their protection. Saying one thing, but leaving me with the linguring impresion of the opposite.

Blue avians say we will get FULL DISCLOSURE. As a big data dump in one go. The start and end of all the disclosure. The implication is we stop searching for the truth because we have it all now.

But this is the bit that got me: why does the sphere being alliance (SBA) logo remind me of the UN flag? You can see it at the SBA gift shop.

I'm cynical about the info but not about the people. Peace and love to Corey and David you are beautiful.

So I am very dubious. The one certainty I have is I don't know. This is my current thinking. Now I ponder and ask... if it is a ploy who would benefit?

Peace and love

[Morbid]

Cobra seems legit to me at least. though you need to take into account that he is a spokesperson for one group only. there are many groups involved in earth's affairs. not all plans materialize.

[Mike]

Hey Vanlakos,

Welcome to the forum.

Its not really your fault my friend, as you are a new member here, but asking everyone here what they think of Corey is like asking 1000 people what they think of pizza had they been forced to eat it morning, noon n night for several months straight. We're a little sick of it.

There are quite a few Corey threads here. And they go on interminably. Your hair will either fall out completely or at least go grey before you finish reading it all. And then you can graduate to the Shane.material. Or you can save yourself a ton of time and just take my word for it: it's all bullsh!t.

;)

[Billy]

Hello Vanlakos and welcome to Avalon. With a bit of practice you will soon be able to navigate your way around.


I found this comment on a Corey thread from another new member quite inspiring.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=1007479&viewfull=1#post1007479

Like you have already been advised, use the advanced search option using different options. For example. GoodET as Corey was known when a member of Avalon.
Here is another under Blue Avians.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80400-Blue-Avians&highlight=Goodet

Hope this helps and enjoy.

[ThePythonicCow]

Like you have already been advised, use the advanced search option using different options. For example. GoodET as Corey was known when a member of Avalon.
My recollection is that Corey's forum name on Avalon was GoodETxSG (earlier capitalized as GoodeTXSG, but same spelling)

[lake]

Hi welcome to here .... I have no idea of who Cobra is and Corey never got a second look in my thoughts ....... so maybe i'm not the best to help with your research!
Although I must ask if you are actually researching or just finding alternative forms of relieving boredom?
Television not doing it for you anymore?
Main stream news not hitting the spot?
Constant slavery not being fulfilled by consumerism?
Dont worry, read Shane's blog .... same sh*t different hidden hand! (but dont listen to him as it will take you 15 seconds to look at the screen in a WTF face).

Round and round ....... different voice, different face, different problem, different need, different want and on and on .... same is same is same.

Idea for ya ....... look at the existence YOU have and are a part of, then stop and think about it for yourself. Yes read everything, consider everything but only follow your self.

Hope this helps .... if not then a subscription to my 'inner circle' will certainly book YOUR PERSONAL seat on the bus to eternity.

All are welcome ....... subject to contract of course :amen::amen:

[Maia Gabrial]

I discovered that there are 2 males who portray Cobra. I've heard 2 different voices on 2 separate interviews a couple of years ago.

I know that Cobra is from a negative faction from Orion. Take that for what it's worth....

[quiltinggrandma]

Mike,i agree.But i ask myself what DW would do if halfway through,he found out corey was full of it?

[Mike]

Mike,i agree.But i ask myself what DW would do if halfway through,he found out corey was full of it?

Boy, good question.

He's so heavily.invested at this point...if he does suspect fraud, he's likely thinking of a dignified way to back out of this. However, many people in his position don't see that way out, so instead of eating a little crow, they plow forward ..defending the original narrative in a hopeless attempt at saving face...not realizing that theyre just digging themselves a bigger hole.

Theres no shame in getting it wrong! Especially in this business of alt media. Half the time youre grasping at shadows. Youll never be entirely certain, so a certain "leap of faith" is required. And beyond that, it takes courage to present your leap of faith to a community with an.endorsement attatched. That takes some guts, and I respect that..

But it takes even more courage to admit you'd been had...and I dont.think Wilcock's ego will allow him to make that admission. I mean, this has been a circus sideshow for some time now, and from what I understand the guy is still sticking to his guns

[araucaria]

There are quite a few Corey threads here. And they go on interminably. Your hair will either fall out completely or at least go grey before you finish reading it all. And then you can graduate to the Shane.material. Or you can save yourself a ton of time and just take my word for it: it's all bullsh!t.

;)
Well, I don’t disagree, Mike, but this reminds me of the student who heard that So-and-so had been debunked and so was pleased to have another author they didn’t need to read. You may graduate after this process, but what do you have in your head, I wonder? Since you are only ever going to read stuff that you can pick holes in, do you just stop reading altogether?

Take philosophy. If you read A History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell, who was a scientist, not a philosopher, he debunks to a greater or lesser degree every philosopher that ever was. You then have a choice between two courses of action. You can either reject the entire field of philosophy, defined as “the study of the nature of knowledge and existence and the principles of moral and aesthetic value”. Or you can accept both sides of William James’s description of the subject: “at once the most sublime and the most trivial of human pursuits”, and set about debunking Bertrand Russell.

[Morbid]

imho we have to be equally suspecious to those that give us info as well as to those that shout that its fake. go figure..

[FinallyNow]

IMHO. He (Corey) lost credibility with me on the first and only interview I listened to. It was the first that he gave after coming out I believe. He was asked something of the nature of what to do against various negatives and when he got to Reptilians he just laughed and said "good luck." That was after giving ok answers to a few other scenarios. That answer, well, he knew something right? He didn't want to say. That actually may not be a good reason. I may have stockholm syndrome but the issue is with any being that chooses to hurt seen or unseen humans included.

[PurpleLama]

For some of us, Corey lost all credibility long before he came out of the whistleblower closet. He got mad at TargeT and donk one day, and started a thread about psychopathic, narcissistic trolls, and then proceeded to display every single behavior he ascribed to the psychopathic, narcissistic trolls. His stint at Avalon was little more than a data mining operation.

[Mike]

There are quite a few Corey threads here. And they go on interminably. Your hair will either fall out completely or at least go grey before you finish reading it all. And then you can graduate to the Shane.material. Or you can save yourself a ton of time and just take my word for it: it's all bullsh!t.

;)
Well, I don’t disagree, Mike, but this reminds me of the student who heard that So-and-so had been debunked and so was pleased to have another author they didn’t need to read. You may graduate after this process, but what do you have in your head, I wonder? Since you are only ever going to read stuff that you can pick holes in, do you just stop reading altogether?

Take philosophy. If you read A History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell, who was a scientist, not a philosopher, he debunks to a greater or lesser degree every philosopher that ever was. You then have a choice between two courses of action. You can either reject the entire field of philosophy, defined as “the study of the nature of knowledge and existence and the principles of moral and aesthetic value”. Or you can accept both sides of William James’s description of the subject: “at once the most sublime and the most trivial of human pursuits”, and set about debunking Bertrand Russell.


Agreed! I was just being a little tongue in cheek there;)

[Debra]

For some of us, Corey lost all credibility long before he came out of the whistleblower closet. He got mad at TargeT and donk one day, and started a thread about psychopathic, narcissistic trolls, and then proceeded to display every single behavior he ascribed to the psychopathic, narcissistic trolls. His stint at Avalon was little more than a data mining operation.

Hear hear Lama :waving: I had my own experience with Corey as mr GoodeTXSG way back too.

He was pretty arrogant I thought. I was a little shocked one day how he 'spoke' to a member who was using the forum to explore her own life as an abductee and possibly as a hybrid. Nasty is the only word I had for the way he treated her - yes she was high maintenance I thought, very defensive, but that told me also that she was a mess. Yet, Corey was really goading her and it was not nice in my books. It was taunting, and yet nothing was said about his behaviour toward her at the time, which worried me a little but I didn't voice it either as then I was fairly new at the time and thought it better to just let it wash over.

For the record I did attempt to engage with him in a later thread that he had started on the Myer Briggs personality calculator/ profiler, which I am not overly married to. I do not care for the way that Myer Briggs profiles, putting limits on who a person is and not what they can become, and I opened this up. Oh boy I was given the chill treatment. So, that little 'run in' marked another event when I thought, to myself, that this guy has tickets on himself. He was a broadcaster IMHO not open to real dialogue.

So I just kept my eye on him as a member to be careful of, and certainly not one to come out with any of my own experiences, let me assure you. And I was flabbergasted when I find out later (when he was lauded during 2014 as a rising whistleblower) that he had set himself up as the go to man for people coming out of programs. WTF ! This had to be WRONG.

Welcome Vanlakos, this might give you some earlier context of what it was like to deal with this guy. I did go onto read more of his posts as I keep an open mind but his style to me was always of the machine he came from. Who is Corey Goode?

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Vanlakos I forgot to say hi to you :)

All I can say for sure is the Rabat keeps on rolling that Big-Ball-Of-Confusion down the hole but never plugs it Doh!

I seem to see things in time lines, the particular one I'm on reaches a Light-Bulb-Point and all of a sudden Blows, then a new Bulb lights up ?

Is it a higher start point of view or going around the circle under new rules, confusion till it starts to illuminate!

Jump view points if the scenery starts to hurt your eyes :)

[Hervé]

Mike,i agree.But i ask myself what DW would do if halfway through,he found out corey was full of it?

... if he hasn't already done so, he would start auditioning for his next lead performer.

[TargeT]

For some of us, Corey lost all credibility long before he came out of the whistleblower closet. He got mad at TargeT and donk one day, and started a thread about psychopathic, narcissistic trolls, and then proceeded to display every single behavior he ascribed to the psychopathic, narcissistic trolls. His stint at Avalon was little more than a data mining operation.

I hate to say it, but really.. until that point my (often very skeptical brain) was sort of giving him a chance... I will admit, I can be a bit of a bull dog when I disagree with a topic and feel that one side is being "unfairly represented" (maybe under-bull-dog?) so I'm sure I did irritate Corey, though really we "should" have been friends (if he was legit) we both work (worked for him, currently work for me) in the same fields in the military (assuming that wasn't also a fabrication)... once trust is lost it's so hard to see anything he wrote as truthful honestly...

I've proudly bore the brunt of a few "fake messiahs" so far on this forum, I'm not sure why they find it so easy to turn on me.. who was the guy that said I was a military plant or some crap... that one really had me cracking up.


Honestly his first interview was enough for me to close the book on Corey. I feel sorry for him, that level of delusion, or possible sociopathy, or greed based motivation (I'm not really sure honestly, is he making money off his "interviews" ?) Him and a few other things did lead up to me walking away from the forum for a few months, but I got a lot of stuff done in the "real world", and a few things un-done (shattered my knee, I guess the universe wanted me to have a nice slow summer, with a backdrop of constant pain (which really has done wonders for my empathy for chronic pain sufferers and the trap of opiates)).

anyway...

Summary:

Corey: entertain your self if you find it entertaining (I don't) but otherwise it's pure fiction.

Cobra: See above.



Mike,i agree.But i ask myself what DW would do if halfway through,he found out corey was full of it?

... if he hasn't already done so, he would start auditioning for his next lead performer.


hahaha, my thoughts exactly (or maybe couching him into more credibility?)

if it's not clear

B. Fullford = Fabricated nonsense

D. Willcock = Fabricated Nonsense with a very savvy business backing.


it SUCKS that these "personalities" who come across as genuine and seem to have such good stories are all just bull**** artists.

But then, isn't that basically the definition of a sociopath?

[Sunny-side-up]

Off topic: Ha TargeT hope your knee makes a fast, full recovery.

[Nasu]

Welcome to the forum.. I like the way you've just jumped right in! Carry on!!

As sad as this report card reads on Corey, how amazing is it that we have collectively had this chance to hone and sharpen our discernment skills as a comunity of disparate souls. No doubt we will be tricked again, or scr##ed like the Karma Sutra, whichever you prefer. Interesting going back about the whole troll thread thing, with Corey, that was the point I turned off from him too. Not because I had any clues to his later performances, or indeed doubted his claims, simply put his style of being was not magnetic to me. I find out later, through others frustrations, how beyond extraordinary his story became, but as many have pointed out, his content mirrors many if not all of the discoveries in this forum, coincidentally!!

As for the others, B. Fullford et al. Personally I don't spare much time for these "alternative media" types, channels or presentations. For me, it all smacks of being simply "alternative TV" or "alternative news" for alternative thinkers. I didn't climb out of this limiting box of understanding just to climb into another, but this time marked - secret do not enter, TS/SCI or above eyes only....

It's our search for understanding that matters, IMHO, not in finding any gurus on the path, or if we do, we listen politely then carry on our way...

Discernment is a tough path, paved with wannabees, who have led dreary, non eventful lives.. Those that know don't talk, those that talk don't know... We are Ff'ed if we listen and Ff'ed if we ignore.. The irony of our collective path is not lost on me, the universe has a wonderful sense of humor, at least we can all agree on that..??..x... N

[TargeT]

Off topic: Ha TargeT hope your knee makes a fast, full recovery.

Apparently I am unable to do things by half measure.
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(yes, it does resemble a broken bottle, kind of you to notice!) It's actually not the break that's causing issue, it's the dislocation that went along with the break.

But thank you :) this is just another challenge.

Corey has a new video up (watch out ladies, apparently the interviewer is quite the eye candy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86261-New-Video-Interview-With-Corey-Goode-Secret-Space-Program))

I watched about half of it, nothing new (for me), just affirmation that sociopaths are EXTREMELY charismatic and "quick" on their feet with questions.


Welcome to the forum.. I like the way you've just jumped right in! Carry on!!

As sad as this report card reads on Corey, how amazing is it that we have collectively had this chance to hone and sharpen our discernment skills as a community of disparate souls.

A rare opportunity indeed, as these types of individuals are truly hard to spot with out a lot of time invested.

[Sean]

After all that BS with Shane, I'm not believing ANY of these stories..

[Mike]

what happened TargeT? how'd that happen???

[TargeT]

what happened TargeT? how'd that happen???

I drive an electric motorcycle.... they can be.... unpredictable when compared to "normal" motorcycles (which I've ridden for close to 2 decades). The above break happend at about 15 mph and was totally my fault due to poor judgement (too much throttle sent the front end into the sky, which acted like a pivot which I tried to stop with one leg (bad idea)).

I feel like "reality" occasionally tosses us challenges to see how we react. Listing the complete of this situation would not only be boring to those not involved in it, but too long to make the point. Regardless, I think I was suppose to have a slow summer, which eventually lead me back to reading and posting on avalon.. so, win win?

[Bill Ryan]

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I'd like to copy this post over from my recent thread, The black world: what it's like working under great secrecy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86316-The-black-world-what-it-s-like-working-under-great-secrecy) (The original post is here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86316-The-black-world-what-it-s-like-working-under-great-secrecy&p=1013935&viewfull=1#post1013935).)

It may offer an indirect answer to the excellent question posed by new member vanlakos on this thread. (Welcome, btw!)

Do read this carefully, particularly wnlight's fascinating personal story which I quoted.

~~~~~~~~~







Bill. Let me confirm what you wrote. It is a very accurate description of working in the black world. From 1977 on, I was working in the black world on two different projects. For four years at the Nuclear test site measuring the yield of thermal nuclear devices and their effect on 'space' hardware. They kept me out of the space hardware for the most part. It was the compartmentalism policy.

Then I worked on a military project at a place that does not exist. For a fictional company, on activities that never happened. I will not tell where because the military spent (and is spending) huge amounts of money to keep the location secret. This place has not been in the news or any literature that I have ever seen. I had the math and computer background to support orbital calculations and more. We had annual 'life style' lie detector exams by the NSA. Those 'tests' were fierce. They could use my own mind against me. I was not allowed to leave the country. We only knew the names of the people that we closely worked with. The IDs were picture cards - no names. For five years I put up with all that. Some of the technology we used in the 1980s is beyond what I will talk about today. Then, in 1985, I made a major career change and took a simple, Top Secret job for the Navy, and it was so nice to have windows sometimes, work for a real (not fictional) company. I felt a lot of relief of pressure. One problem was my resume had gaps in it that I could not explain when job hunting. I would not ever go back into the black world - no matter how exciting the secrets are.


:bump:

Thank you for this important personal testimony! http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0802%20Sun.gif

Just about every word of wnlight's post needs to be considered carefully. Yes, this is how it really is. The pressure being on the 'inside' is relentless.

People who leave certain programs are often regularly checked up on from then on out, as well. You can't just calmly resign one day, and then go traveling around the world talking to anyone you like on the plane seat next to you. Security is often MUCH more of a concern once someone's left. They much prefer to keep people on the inside, even if they transfer from program to program for years.

It's fascinating stuff. I've talked to quite a few people who did work on 'very interesting' things — but the more interesting they are, the more compartmentalized everything is.

Someone who starts talking about everything one can think of, and is never even gently leaned on to be quiet (let alone being silenced forcibly), is not a threat... because they'd be inventing most if not all they're saying.

This is whistleblowing 101. :) Anyone who's really worked in this extremely tight, lock-down environment will confirm.

Hence the dictum, quoted in the YF-23 video in my post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86316-The-black-world-what-it-s-like-working-under-great-secrecy&p=1013552&viewfull=1#post1013552):
"People who know don’t talk, and people who talk don’t know."The challenge of black-world researchers is to piece together fragments, like so many paper shreds collected from a trash can. And, because the black world guardians understand this very well, those fragments are also laced with false information and false trails.

It's never easy, and never has been... anyone who insists otherwise, and is contracted to go on TV with their stories, is living in (literally) a fantasy world. Either that — or knowingly or otherwise, they're part of the black world guardians' huge array of defensive assets.

[Mike]

what happened TargeT? how'd that happen???

I drive an electric motorcycle.... they can be.... unpredictable when compared to "normal" motorcycles (which I've ridden for close to 2 decades). The above break happend at about 15 mph and was totally my fault due to poor judgement (too much throttle sent the front end into the sky, which acted like a pivot which I tried to stop with one leg (bad idea)).

I feel like "reality" occasionally tosses us challenges to see how we react. Listing the complete of this situation would not only be boring to those not involved in it, but too long to make the point. Regardless, I think I was suppose to have a slow summer, which eventually lead me back to reading and posting on avalon.. so, win win?


Awesome to have you back...but thats a hell of a trade off:)

I agree entirely with the universe throwing us a curve once in a while. I once broke my tibia n fibia clean thru (tho not as dramatically as you)...and it was the beginning.of a profound change in my life. But like you say, the story is a little.boring to the uninitiated.

I feel like I should say something useful here: for what it's worth, ive heard Noni juice is effective in expediting bone healing.

I recall the worst part being standing up after being supine for a while. The blood would rush to the site of the break ..and it was just murder!

Hope you heal up quick brother!

[DeDukshyn]

imho we have to be equally suspecious to those that give us info as well as to those that shout that its fake. go figure..

The movie "Mirage Men" (which has a cameo of Bill in it) tells a good story of one way how given information is used against us ... and has been for a very long time.

[TargeT]

Anyone who's really worked in this extremely tight, lock-down environment will confirm.


I worked for 4 years in a TS SCIF (Top Secret Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) handling certain levels urgency and classification as messages came and went.. most of it seemed boring, occasionally it was jibberish (to me anyway). I found out later what i was doing while contracting for the air force and only then because some of the same "jibberish" was used in conjunction with the systems I worked on/with (it wasn't anything cool, just bland DoD stuff that you'd expect). but it's funny how you can spend over 1000 days working somewhere and not really understand why or what you are doing.

I consider that as my "compartmentalized" time, everything since has been much more relaxed (and even more "boring" compared to Mr Goode's accounts). Even my deployments had less informational control than in that SCIF.


so I would wholeheartedly agree with Mr Ryan; when you can answer every question on any topic and you supposedly were working at THOSE levels of secrecy (something that makes my experience seem infantile I'm sure) big strobbing red flags pop up for me.

I spent 2 years on night shift not knowing exactly what I was doing (at least the ultimate, over all picture) and two more "in the light" (as we called it in Alaska.. haha, when you were on night shift you didn't see the sun for 5+ months unless you woke up at a weird time) with not much more understanding; compartmentalization works very well in this sense.

[Bill Ryan]

imho we have to be equally suspecious to those that give us info as well as to those that shout that its fake. go figure..

The movie "Mirage Men" (which has a cameo of Bill in it) tells a good story of one way how given information is used against us ... and has been for a very long time.


Downloadable here, till 3 November (it's really very good)

http://we.tl/h9QDX82BA8 (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwe.tl%2Fh9QDX82BA8&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGg32aoTullU8YaVhWZoAtNXYav0g)

:focus:

[TargeT]

imho we have to be equally suspecious to those that give us info as well as to those that shout that its fake. go figure..

The movie "Mirage Men" (which has a cameo of Bill in it) tells a good story of one way how given information is used against us ... and has been for a very long time.


Downloadable here, till 3 November (it's really very good)

http://we.tl/h9QDX82BA8 (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwe.tl%2Fh9QDX82BA8&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGg32aoTullU8YaVhWZoAtNXYav0g)

:focus:

Awesome!

downloading it now (can't wait to see the Bill cameo... haha, is the Hat involved too?)

I've got a Hat too, but I don't wear it nearly as well as Bill does (mines one of those reclaimed canvas deals, I figured if I'm a "cruzan cowboy" I gotta at least have a hat to look the part!)

[DeDukshyn]

....
Awesome!

downloading it now (can't wait to see the Bill cameo... haha, is the Hat involved too?)
...


You will enjoy it (and yes the hat has a cameo as well), unfortunately it doesn't give away too many secrets, except how the "PTB" work in using info against people who get too close to the secrets and how effective their methods are. They only use the power of the masses and automated responses in almost all their endeavours .. in a sense it shows how the use us, almost as a weapon against us (once again indicating that unless we as a mass consciousness learn to shift that consciousness, nothing will change, but I digress, maybe just choose the gold light instead? :P).

It may not open up any new concepts for you, but it provides solid evidence with a well researched specific example that this is how they work ...



I recommend anyone who hasn't seen it, to download it at the link Bill provided, if nothing more than for later viewing. I searched for "convenient" viewing opportunities on the net and found nothing at all, so do take advantage of this.

Enjoy!

[Bill Ryan]

....
Awesome!

downloading it now (can't wait to see the Bill cameo... haha, is the Hat involved too?)
...


You will enjoy it (and yes the hat has a cameo as well), unfortunately it doesn't give away too many secrets, except how the "PTB" work in using info against people who get too close to the secrets and how effective their methods are. They only use the power of the masses and automated responses in almost all their endeavours .. in a sense it shows how the use us, almost as a weapon against us (once again indicating that unless we as a mass consciousness learn to shift that consciousness, nothing will change, but I digress, maybe just choose the gold light instead? :P).

It may not open up any new concepts for you, but it provides solid evidence with a well researched specific example that this is how they work ...



I recommend anyone who hasn't seen it, to download it at the link Bill provided, if nothing more than for later viewing. I searched for "convenient" viewing opportunities on the net and found nothing at all, so do take advantage of this.

Enjoy!


Yes, do. :sun: It's really very well done.

Both I and the hat have a few cameos, as do some other names we all know, like Linda Howe and Richard Doty — the Mirage Man par excellence at the heart of it all.

I got to know John Lundberg and Mark Pilkington quite well during the filming. They did a good job with this, though they're debunkers (and may very well be paid to be).

Astonishingly, while the film is all about UFO disinformation, how and why it works, and who does it (Rick Doty is the arch-disinformer of them all, ufology's version of Batman's Joker to haunt and taunt everyone with his tricks), Rick bent over backwards to help them make the film, and throughout comes over like some kind of genial uncle. Go figure. It really is worth watching.

[Matthew]

Hi Vanlakos I forgot to say hi to you :)

All I can say for sure is the Rabat keeps on rolling that Big-Ball-Of-Confusion down the hole but never plugs it Doh!

I seem to see things in time lines, the particular one I'm on reaches a Light-Bulb-Point and all of a sudden Blows, then a new Bulb lights up ?

Is it a higher start point of view or going around the circle under new rules, confusion till it starts to illuminate!

Jump view points if the scenery starts to hurt your eyes :)

Vanlakos, I was so busy putting down my words I totally forgot to say Hi too. Please excuse the wrong order.

Hello!

[Selene]

Astonishingly, while the film is all about UFO disinformation, how and why it works, and who does it (Rick Doty is the arch-disinformer of them all, ufology's version of Batman's Joker to haunt and taunt everyone with his tricks), Rick bent over backwards to help them make the film, and throughout comes over like some kind of genial uncle. Go figure.

It really isn’t that hard to figure, in my view: Doty was still up to his old tricks in this film. He was still lying, maneuvering and steering an agenda here as usual. Different costume, same script. He still wants us to believe there isn’t – and never was – any such thing as a UFO, Roswell never happened and it’s only us here.

He’ll smile as he says it, of course and be Mr. Congeniality, indeed.

But he’s still lying. Just like Shane: he’ll even admit he’s lying, but continue to do so. It’s his nature.

One of the best tricks of a compulsive liar is to admit that he lies all the time – but, hey, he’s going to be honest with you, you lucky sot. And if you buy that, well, it’s open city, isn’t it? You’ve just given them full permission to screw you over completely.

Never trust a smiling snake. “Nice” does not equal honest.

Cheers,

Selene

[Bill Ryan]

Astonishingly, while the film is all about UFO disinformation, how and why it works, and who does it (Rick Doty is the arch-disinformer of them all, ufology's version of Batman's Joker to haunt and taunt everyone with his tricks), Rick bent over backwards to help them make the film, and throughout comes over like some kind of genial uncle. Go figure.

It really isn’t that hard to figure, in my view: Doty was still up to his old tricks in this film. He was still lying, maneuvering and steering an agenda here as usual. Different costume, same script. He still wants us to believe there isn’t – and never was – any such thing as a UFO, Roswell never happened and it’s only us here.

He’ll smile as he says it, of course and be Mr. Congeniality, indeed.

But he’s still lying. Just like Shane: he’ll even admit he’s lying, but continue to do so. It’s his nature.

One of the best tricks of a compulsive liar is to admit that he lies all the time – but, hey, he’s going to be honest with you, you lucky sot. And if you buy that, well, it’s open city, isn’t it? You’ve just given them full permission to screw you over completely.

Never trust a smiling snake. “Nice” does not equal honest.

Cheers,

Selene

:star::star::star::star::star: for this post. :thumbsup:

I met Doty a number of times, on a few of those occasions for several hours, and even to this day I don't know for sure if he was straight with me or not. All I can say is that (with some things) if he was lying, he's such a good actor he deserves an Oscar. But maybe he DOES deserve an Oscar! (Linda Howe might agree :) )

Even at the end of the Mirage Men movie, the film-makers clearly don't know what to make of him, or how to conclude their presentation. It's very well done, but also a fascinating study. It says a lot about the entire subject... that we're being lied to all the time (or at least often!), sometimes, as you say, by the most utterly convincing people.

[vanlakos]

Hello and thank you everyone for your posts and information that you've collected here! Appreciate it!

I want to apologize for my English as it is not my tongue language but I hope you understand me.

Its not easy for me to find local people in my country to speak about stuff that you are discussing here... Sometimes truth revealed in discussion with other people and since there are no people around who I can discuss things with, I have to filter and think of everything myself (Or find forum like this one :) sad that I can't speak but I can at least write my thoughts and read other people thoughts)

In our informational world I've come to conclusion that there are three type of information:
1. False: You don't agree with information completely as it is 100% lie. (For example: "Killing billions of animals around the world for meat industry is smth we can't live without because we need to eat meet to survive")
2. Neutral: You neutral to information which you take into consideration only if it has been proven true or false (For example: "That there are age regression technology according to Corey info")
3. True: Info resonates with you and you 100% sure its true! (For example: "We are not alone and ETs are out there")

So alot of info goes from neutral to true and to false over time when you connect the dots and you realize that neutral info was actually true! Sometimes I don't have dots to connect to form TrueOrFalse opinion.
I'am here to collect more "dots" to be able to connect them and identify TrueOrFalse information. So thank you again for all your answers!





imho we have to be equally suspecious to those that give us info as well as to those that shout that its fake. go figure..

The movie "Mirage Men" (which has a cameo of Bill in it) tells a good story of one way how given information is used against us ... and has been for a very long time.


Downloadable here, till 3 November (it's really very good)

http://we.tl/h9QDX82BA8 (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwe.tl%2Fh9QDX82BA8&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGg32aoTullU8YaVhWZoAtNXYav0g)

:focus:

I will download this movie for sure! Thank you for sharing!

[promezeus]

I haven't seen any fact-based posts here about cobra credibility yet. I was quite taken by him in the beginning which was many years ago, but I can tell you that his 'victory of the light is near' bs has been going on for all those years. In fact, years ago he kept saying how the timeline for the 'event' was open during this or that few months near term period. Of course , the 'event' never occurred and since then he's started giving excuses why 'event' cannot occur until such and such is taken care of.

So how come 'such and such' didn't matter years ago?? :cantina:

[vanlakos]

I haven't seen any fact-based posts here about cobra credibility yet. I was quite taken by him in the beginning which was many years ago, but I can tell you that his 'victory of the light is near' bs has been going on for all those years. In fact, years ago he kept saying how the timeline for the 'event' was open during this or that few months near term period. Of course , the 'event' never occurred and since then he's started giving excuses why 'event' cannot occur until such and such is taken care of. So how come 'such and such' didn't matter years ago?? lol

You are correct, all discussion was somewhere near Corey and almost no info about Cobra, but you have added your 5 cents and I agree with you about "The Event" procrastination.

Last Q&A with Cobra on 21.10.2015 he said that everything is done for preparation to the event except last step which is completely remove all nuclear weapons that are everywhere around the world (as I understand are protecting Cabal from disclosure and if such happened then they will blow everything up). He said that 90% of those A-Bombs are already deactivated (if I recall % number correctly... so correct me if I'am wrong :)) and they have to deactivate remaining 10% and then the even will occur. So as you have already stated it always around the corner since 2012 when he started his blog.

So what do I think about his procrastination? I think that it might be because:
1. of the difference between our time and their cosmic time (for them its few days but for us its few years)
2. They are not operating with time but with events, as soon as certain event happened, then next event happened which would activate another event which would lead us to the event :)
3. It is not as easy as it may sound to us and it is aloooot more complicated giving the fact that some things might have changed that makes other things worse and therefore time consuming and therefore procrastination occurs.
4. of hoax and Cobra is just another guy who wants to be in the center and hes ego wants all of attention -> Which I doubt because:
4.1. he is not revealing himself
4.2. he gives info without any interruption in his voice like other humans usually do (I like the way he speaks, so inhuman-like without any junk-words)
4.3. he seem to not have ego... impressed me (At least I can feel ego in other people voice or the way they look like and so on but Cobra... I don't see ego there)
4.4. He answer question without going to offtopic like other humans usually do (I'am not saying he is not human, I'am just saying that he is kinda developed which is rare)

Based on all those info I've written I feel like this guy is the read deal :) This is why I've started this thread to hear people opinions to be able to see what I haven't been able to see with my one-sided-vision.

Its like on the picture I've attached, different people see things differently and I want to hear their opinion to be able to collect all parts and form the whole picture :)

https://sourcemaking.com/files/sm/images/uml/img_3.jpg

[promezeus]

A year ago, strangelet bombs of the chimera group were only issue left before event.
http://2012portal.blogspot.com/2014/08/short-planetary-situation-update.html

I think the following site is very good :
http://redefininggod.com/2014/08/cobra-the-snake-strikes-again/


now you got me remembering all the nonsense from cobra, like the brics saviour program. Remember china and russia represent two of the most repressive regimes on the planet and goldman sachs is running the new brics bank.

[Morbid]

Remember china and russia represent two of the most repressive regimes on the planet...
is that a fact, or your opinion?

[promezeus]

all supposed facts are only perceptions of reality and opinions are usually personal interpretations including those supposed facts right. so facts and opinions are both interpretations, so isn't honest sharing the best we can do?
so I gave my opinion based on facts which I can enumerate, but first lets hear your opinion which I assume will be based on something you call fact right.?
and if we are both trying to be honest, then maybe we will learn something from each other?
and if one of us is NOT honest, then maybe that will come out in the wash too. :cantina:

[DeDukshyn]

In our informational world I've come to conclusion that there are three type of information:
1. False: You don't agree with information completely as it is 100% lie. (For example: "Killing billions of animals around the world for meat industry is smth we can't live without because we need to eat meet to survive")
2. Neutral: You neutral to information which you take into consideration only if it has been proven true or false (For example: "That there are age regression technology according to Corey info")
3. True: Info resonates with you and you 100% sure its true! (For example: "We are not alone and ETs are out there")

So alot of info goes from neutral to true and to false over time when you connect the dots and you realize that neutral info was actually true! Sometimes I don't have dots to connect to form TrueOrFalse opinion.
I'am here to collect more "dots" to be able to connect them and identify TrueOrFalse information. So thank you again for all your answers!
...


My method of evaluation is even simpler: Believe nothing, and consider everything. This is powerful because a belief is reductive by nature, and creates a rigidity that restricts view or perspective. Belief is a Boolean - either you believe or you do not; there is no quantitative evaluative measure to be had. However, a consideration still leaves room for error or a broader view, a value system; and allows "blocks" to be in place to help form a larger picture, and allows blocks to be, moved, removed, and added as information and new ideas are learned to help form a cohesive larger picture; it allows the concept to grow and change (or be dismissed) and allows one's learning to grow and change along with it. Beliefs are like a static conclusion and they do not fit in a dynamic, ever changing Universe.

I hope that translates as intended :)

[Morbid]

all supposed facts are only perceptions of reality and opinions are usually personal interpretations including those supposed facts right. so facts and opinions are both interpretations, so isn't honest sharing the best we can do?
so I gave my opinion based on facts which I can enumerate, but first lets hear your opinion which I assume will be based on something you call fact right.?
and if we are both trying to be honest, then maybe we will learn something from each other?
and if one of us is NOT honest, then maybe that will come out in the wash too. :cantina:

cant speak for china through personal experience, but calling russia a "repressive regime". you would be surprised how much more freedoms they can exercise in comparison to the western "democratic states". it could be hard to believe pass everything you've ever heard about it on the news/hollywood etc where portraying evil soviet image is still being heavily bashed into the public..

i also follow that blog and like the ideas being exercised there, though sometimes find the author a bit opinionated regarding other researchers in the field.

peace and love.