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Delight

23rd October 2015, 06:05

I am very impressed by "newearth" whose name is Sylvie. This thread is an investigation of some ideas I first thought about because of watching "newearth"'s youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqLPTe6eEeBP10Zhu5p-0cQ). The investigator is Russian and has brought me very new information, especially the idea of a false chronology we have learned for the very recent past. timing was distorted and events made up and the Middle Ages was not a dark age. "Phantom reflections" of historic events were constructed.

Latest offerings from newearth show me that the Russian region was another GREAT megalithic civilization. Russian architecture and art and show that there was an advanced culture in Russia creating awesome beauty in the not so distant past but who and when? My impression from newearth is the idea that the "Survivor" legacy of high technology could have been present in Russia (that area) very recently. That region is called by Fomenko. "The Russian Horde"

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Has history been tampered with? According to the official version of history, Russia remained under the political and military yoke of the Mongols for many centuries on end.

The term "Mongol" is usually assumed to have always meant the same thing - however, this turns out to be incorrect. Bear in mind that Mongolia didn't exist as an independent state until the early 20th century! The word "Mongol" simply meant "Great One" - its association with the nomadic tribes hailing from the steppes north of China is a later invention!
:There was no such thing as the Tartar and Mongol invasion followed by two centuries of slavery. The so-called "Tartars and Mongols" were the actual ancestors of the modern Russians, living in a bilingual state with Arabic spoken as freely as Russian. The ancient Russian state was governed by a double structure of civil and military authorities. The hordes were actually professional armies with a tradition of lifelong conscription (the recruitment being the so-called "blood tax"). Their so called "invasions" were punitive operations against the regions that attempted tax evasion. Russian history as we know it today is a blatant forgery concocted by a host of German scientists brought to Russia in luggage of the usurper dynasty of the Romanovs.

But why did Horde have to be invented?

The reason is simple - the actual "Mongol conquerors of Russia" never existed. The yoke theory was created by the German court historians of the new Russian dynasty - the Romanovs. It has served the end of justifying the Romanovs' claims for the throne and demonising their longtime adversaries - the Horde, or the professional Russian army, which remained fiercely loyal to the old Russian dynasty. The savage Mongol and Tartar invaders and torturers of the Russian land that we read about in history textbooks were the protectors of the state in reality - and ethnic Slavs for the most part. Small wonder, historians still cannot find a single trace of the mythical Mongol capital - no such capital ever existed anywhere near the Gobi Desert.

The Mongol Horde identified as the Russian army are extremely hard to swallow for any Russian - yet they are just the tip of the iceberg called New Chronology, which is a radical reconstruction of world history in general and a brainchild of Anatoly Fomenko, one of today's leading mathematicians.

Sylvie criticizes the evolutionary theory of humans arising from apes. Intentional destruction of all the survivor culture of the Heathen is suggested. false history was deliberately implanted such as with attributing things to Peter the Great.

I live in Georgia USA and am interested in exploring Georgia USSR.

Was Vardzia (http://georgiantour.com/vardzia/) really built in the 12th century AD?

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Incredibly beautiful medieval cave city Vardzia, which was built in the 12th century by Georgia’s greatest ruler -Queen Tamar, is located in Georgia’s southern Samtskhe-Javakheti region, 60km from Akhaltsikhe.

Vardzia monastery is simply amazing and breathtaking, with unusual location. This city once used to have 30,000 inhabitants – now it’s a monastery where several monks live. Most of the city museum is open to the visitors and you can visit the caves and the main cave church with well-preserved frescoes, including the fresco of Queen Tamar and his father King George III) from the 12th century. It involves some walking on the steps, in the dark tunnels too. You should carry some water in the summer.

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Several thousand years old Megalythic fortresses Shaori and Abuli are located in Javakheti region in mysterious locations on the sea levels of 2752 (Shaori) and 2630 (Abuli).
The buildings owe their attractiveness and outstanding cultural historical importance to their impressive size, remarkable age, enigmatic architectural design, suggesting that many functions may have existed in connection with ritual (supposedly spiritual acts/star obeservation/sacrifice) acts and duties.

Some of the most impressive cyclopean fortresses and settlements in Javakheti Plateau such as Saro, Shaori and Abuli are constructed of 3-4-metre volcanic basalt blocks using dry masonry techniques. Megalith Menhir of Trialeti range is real mystery of the Caucasus.

Abuli fort's plan

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Kazbegi is a place that shows sophisticated Survivor technologies that reminded me of Peru in the first few seconds of the fountain segment IMO. The video is a travelogue to enjoy and shows some interesting architecture.....

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These videos are amazing IMO as sources of question.

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The number of videos on the newearth channel are a big committment but I think there is something in them that is very intriguing. Concerning the lack of knowledge we have of world wide events in the "dark ages" and our impoverished "western spin" on history, there is a lot more we don't know than we even know we don't know.

I am just putting this out there as this is an interesting question to me.

Here is a new conspiracy idea.

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According to New Chronology (Fomenko) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)), the traditional chronology consists of four overlapping copies of the "true" chronology shifted back in time by significant intervals with some further revisions. Fomenko claims all events and characters conventionally dated earlier than 11th century are fictional, and represent "phantom reflections" of actual Middle Ages events and characters, brought about by intentional or accidental mis-datings of historical documents. Before the invention of printing, accounts of the same events by different eyewitnesses were sometimes retold several times before being written down, then often went through multiple rounds of translating and copyediting. Names were translated, mispronounced and misspelled to the point where they bore little resemblance to originals. According to Fomenko, this led early chronologists to believe or choose to believe that those accounts described different events and even different countries and time periods. Fomenko justifies this approach by the fact that, in many cases, the original documents are simply not available: Fomenko claims that all the history of the ancient world is known to us from manuscripts that date from the 15th century to the 18th century, but describe events that allegedly happened thousands of years before, the originals regrettably and conveniently lost. For example, the oldest extant manuscripts of monumental treatises on Ancient Roman and Greek history, such as Annals and Histories, are conventionally dated c. AD 1100, more than a full millennium after the events they describe, and they did not come to scholars' attention until the 15th century.[citation needed] According to Fomenko, the 15th century is probably when these documents were first written.

Central to Fomenko's New Chronology is his claim of the existence of a vast Slav-Turk empire, which he called the "Russian Horde", which he says played the dominant role in Eurasian history before the 17th century. The various peoples identified in ancient and medieval history, from the Scythians, Huns, Goths and Bulgars, through the Polyane, Duleby, Drevliane, Pechenegs, to in more recent times, the Cossacks, Ukrainians, and Belarusians, are nothing but elements of the single Russian Horde. For the New Chronologists, peoples such as the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Mongols, and others who assert their national independence from Russia, are suffering from a historical delusion.[16]

Fomenko claims that the most probable prototype of the historical Jesus was Andronikos I Komnenos (allegedly AD 1152 to 1185), the emperor of Byzantium, known for his failed reforms; his traits and deeds reflected in 'biographies' of many real and imaginary persons.[17] The historical Jesus is a composite figure and reflection of the Old-Testament prophet Elisha (850-800 BC?), Pope Gregory VII (1020?-1085), Saint Basil of Caesarea (330-379), and even Li Yuanhao (also known as Emperor Jingzong or "Son of Heaven" - emperor of Western Xia, who reigned in 1032-1048), Euclides, Bacchus and Dionysius. Fomenko explains the seemingly vast differences in the biographies of these figures as resulting from difference in languages, points of view and time-frame of the authors of said accounts and biographies.

Fomenko also merges the cities and histories of Jerusalem, Rome and Troy into "New Rome" = Gospel Jerusalem (in the 12th and 13th centuries) = Troy = Yoros Castle.[18] To the south of Yoros Castle is Joshua's Hill which Fomenko alleges is the hill Calvary depicted in the Bible.

Fomenko claims the Hagia Sophia is actually the biblical Temple of Solomon. He identifies Solomon as sultan Suleiman the Magnificent (1494–1566). He claims that historical Jesus may have been born in 1152 and was crucified around AD 1185 on the hill overlooking the Bosphorus.[19]

On the other hand, according to Fomenko the word "Rome" is a placeholder and can signify any one of several different cities and kingdoms. He claims the "First Rome" or "Ancient Rome" or "Mizraim" is an ancient Egyptian kingdom in the delta of the Nile with its capital in Alexandria. The second and most famous "New Rome" is Constantinople. The third "Rome" is constituted by three different cities: Constantinople (again), Rome in Italy, and Moscow. According to his claims, Rome in Italy was founded around AD 1380 by Aeneas and Moscow as the third Rome was the capital of the great "Russian Horde".[20] Similarly, the word "Jerusalem" is actually a placeholder rather than a physical location and can refer to different cities at different times and the word "Israel" did not define a state, even not a territory but people fighting for God, for example French St Louis and English Elizabeth called themselves the King/Queen of Israel.

He claims that parallelism between John the Baptist, Jesus, and Old-Testament prophets implies that the New Testament was written before the Old Testament. Fomenko claims that the Bible was being written until the Council of Trent (1545–1563), when the list of canonical books was established, and all apocryphal books were ordered to be destroyed.

Fomenko also claims that Plato, Plotinus and Gemistus Pletho are one and the same person - according to him, some texts by or about Pletho were mis-dated and today believed to be texts by or about Plotinus or Plato. He claims similar duplicates Dionysius the Areopagite, Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite and Dionysius Petavius. He claims Florence and the House of Medici bankrolled and played an important role in creation of the magnificent 'Roman' and 'Greek' past.

Delight

23rd October 2015, 06:57

If The Russian Horde is the latest and greatest civilization based on its Survivor lineage, it was a source of present day Russia (I am using that word loosely to stand for the whole region). It may be important for us to recover our re- connection to wisdom arising within that region.

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Why did Edgar Cayce call Russia the Light of the World. Maybe there is a reason we will learn much from reuniting the East and West as personified by US and USSR?

Several disparate things stand out of that source of possible wisdom...the Anastasia books; GI Gurdjieff; exploration of how Russian science seems more whole brain (logic+intuition), more incorporating of what western science still avoids (psychic energy study and acceptance of the quantum field).

Was the Sarmoun Brotherood real? Was it a legacy of the Survivor culture?

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Going along with the idea that Russia was a possible collective holder of the sacred wisdom and high culture of the Survivors, there is encoded information in symbols. One is the enneagram that GI Gurdjieff used. Gurdjieff stated the enneagram came from the Sarmoun Brotherhood. The symbol was known in the Sufi tradition and could inform us?

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Anthony Blake provides an introduction to the Enneagram, a diagram with nine elements first made public by G.I. Gurdjieff in pre-revolutionary Russia. Now an icon of Gurdjieff's followers, it was originally a cosmological model for all processes that complete to make something new, on a higher level than the activities and resources involved within them. Anthony Blake has continued to develop the symbol's meaning, and here brings a new level of simplicity to its exposition and its universality. The example of the kitchen is used but in a fresh way. A full DVD of this talk can be bought at www.matrixofcreation.co.uk, all funds to support the author's further productions. Anthony Blake is a major contributor to Systematics.org and DUVersity.org.

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Not trying to derail with enneagrams BUT I have always thought there is a huge mystery there (3,6,9.....)

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meeradas

23rd October 2015, 08:52

Great stuff, Delight.
Thank you!

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24th October 2015, 03:20

Sylvie criticizes the evolutionary theory of humans arising from apes.
impressive collection of data... I've always maintained this idea being anti-scientific, impossibly superficial and politically motivated... with one of it's major architects managing it's rise and introduction into the public school system being the Jesuits... that this is confirmed from yet another historical angle got my attention right away... I have heard about this mathematician author... but never followed it up, because it sounded so fantastic... you know what they say... re: the bigger the lie... time for a rethink...

the "dark" ages... of course... that fits right up there with "occult" (i.e. Latin for "hidden")... hmm...

and 25 miles of books? ...supposedly in the (Roman) Vatican's Library... never revealed to the public...

- has anyone reached that point where you feel the more you learn, the more that is out there that you don't know?

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24th October 2015, 03:24

Sylvie criticizes the evolutionary theory of humans arising from apes.
impressive collection of data... I've always maintained this idea being anti-scientific, impossibly superficial and politically motivated... with one of it's major architects managing it's rise and introduction into the public school system being the Jesuits... that this is confirmed from yet another historical angle got my attention right away... I have heard about this mathematician author... but never followed it up, because it sounded so fantastic... you know what they say... re: the bigger the lie... time for a rethink...

the "dark" ages... of course... that fits right up there with "occult" (i.e. Latin for "hidden")... hmm

The more you dig the deeper it goes eh?

I'll give this some time, I'd not be surprised at all that this was the case.

Delight

24th October 2015, 16:15

The more you dig the deeper it goes eh?

- has anyone reached that point where you feel the more you learn, the more that is out there that you don't know?

there is a lot more we don't know than we even know we don't know.

Yes indeed.

Delight

25th October 2015, 05:40

The following are some thoughts I have had about some historic influences and also where valuable continuing threads of information may be stored.

Everything about the Russian information is new to me. I think there may have been the greatest concentration of advanced Pre Flood culture in the far North after the catstrophe of 12,800 years ago

THE FINGERPRINT OF A GLOBAL CATACLYSM 12,800 YEARS AGO

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The graphic shows the vast swathe of our planet that geologists call the Younger Dryas Boundary Field. Across this huge “fingerprint” spanning North America, Central America, parts of South America and most of Europe, the tell-tale traces of multiple impacts by the fragments of a giant comet have been found. Some of these fragments, were TWO KILOMETRES or more in diameter and they hit the earth like a blast from a cosmic scatter-gun around 12,800 years ago.December 4, 2014 at 1:36 pm
The Fingerprint of Global Cataclysm 12,800 Years Ago – Graham Hancock – Magicians of The Gods Preview (http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/magicians_of_the_gods_graham_hancock_preview_fingerprint)

"Atlantis". I think MAYBE, there was a whole "Atlantis" period after the 12,800 years ago and separate scattering of kinds of daughter civilization after 3100 BC in Egypt and Peru and Africa and Europe.

There are so many pockets of culture that resemble one another...such as in this video: Berbers or Slavs? So much culture in common that they could not really be independent.

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I think that after 3100 BC, the offspring (several) of a magnificent civilization started over again with help from Survivors. After the flood people still used the hydrologic works, megalithic structures and produced some beautiful and amazing works of art we have seen. But there was a difference in capacity and what we could do was less than before. perhaps the great Survivor culture remained in the Russian Horde until wiped out by by ignorance as the Kali Yuga turns.

Atlantis/Lemuria is what I will call the culture dating to before the precession time period of Taurus. Plato dates the destruction of Atlantis as being around 12,000 years ago as does Graham Hancock. I think the culture itself survived globally in pockets. Then we have something about the Age of Taurus that is not fully assessed.

There was a flood. It flooded all but high places where suddenly we have agriculture arise.
Bull veneration (Taurus) takes place among a high but IMO NOT megalithic culture after that period. I wonder if there is a link to the Taurid meteors in veneration of bulls?

"I THINK": We have the daughter cultures of after the flood in around 3100 BC. I think that that is "our recorded history" Examples all over the world share common roots that are related to the remnants of the GREAT civilization from before the Great Flood. First we had the event 12,800 or so years ago, there was a sancturary in Hyperborea perhaps? Life continued and thousands of years passed....THEN I think we had the "Flood" that was a wipeout. In dating events, I think astrology/astronomy and geology will help us.

The Taurean Age was the time of the "flood" we read about in our bibles. It was 5,000 years ago for the latest "catyclysm", not 12,000 years ago.

The Age of Taurus
Symbol for Taurus: Sacred bull

Zodiacal sign: the vernal equinox (northern hemisphere) is occurring in Taurus;

Timeframes
Zodiacal 30 degrees:
Neil Mann interpretation: began ca. 4300 BC and ended ca. 2150 BC
Patrick Burlingame interpretation: began ca. 4006 BC and ended ca. 2006 BC
Constellation boundary year:
Shephard Simpson interpretation: began ca. 4525 BC and ended ca. 1875 BC

Overview
"The Age of Earth, Agriculture, and the Bull" This age is claimed to have occurred approximately around the time of the building of the Pyramids in Egypt.

Religious similarities
Bull worshiping cults began to form in Assyria, Egypt, and Crete during this mythological age.

Ankh: thoracic vertebra of a bull - Egyptian symbol of life
Worship of Apis, the bull-deity (see also Bull (mythology)), the most important of all the sacred animals in Egypt, said to be instituted during the Second Dynasty of the Early Dynastic Period of Egypt and worshipped in the Memphis region until the New Kingdom (16th century BC).
When Moses was said to have descended from the mountain with the ten commandments (c. 17th – 13th century BC, the end of the Age of Taurus), some of his people or followers were found by him to be worshipping a golden bull calf. He instructed these worshippers to be killed. This represents Moses "killing" the bull and ending the Age of Taurus, and ushering in the Age of Aries, which he represents.

In 3100 BC, during the age of Taurus serious catyclysmic events may have occurred from meteors known as the Taurid meteors.

"The outrageous suggestion that I am going to make is that the Taurid Complex was producing phenomenal meteor storms between 4,500 and 5,000 years ago, accompanied by multiple Tunguska-class atmospheric detonations, and that Stonehenge I was designed to allow the (awestruck, terrified) culture of southern England to make observations of the Phenomena and to perhaps predict their recurrence. Peter Lancaster Brown, in his book on megalithic sites, wrote that "Eclipses, comets and meteorites were astronomical phenomena widely observed by the ancients. But probably only eclipses were predictable." (Steel means to imply that Stonehenge I was needed to make observations because meteorite falls are far more unpredictable, but and at the same time may be long-lasting and recurring. - TN.)

Steel continues this theme in Peiser et al.: Natural Catastrophes (Oxford, 1998) by commenting that he sees no connection between the original Stonehenge I (built in 3100 BC) and the thousand year later Stonehenge II and Stonehenge III except the place. The original one was a scientific observatory, not for Sun, or Moon, or eclipses, but for watching dangerous meteorites, asteroids and comets. The later Stonehenges with their stones (the image of Stonehenge that we have of it today), was more that of a ritual and sanctuary than for any practical/scientific purpose. Of course it could be used for some trivial astronomical calculations (solstices, eclipses), but its original purpose was hardly known for the later builders. The world's first scientific astronomical observatory changed to a ritual place, because it was not anymore needed for its original purpose when the Taurids did not at that moment bother mankind, in fact the Taurids lived only in legends. Today the legends are coming part of a serious scientific study. What a change in paradigm!

Rogue Asteroids: "Comet Encke is associated with the Taurid Complex. If we follow the orbit of P/Encke backward, we find that it intersected that of the Earth around 1,800 and 5,000 years ago (ascending) and 2,100 and 4,700 years ago (descending)."

The Taurid complex is a comet/meteor swarm complex, whose main body is the periodic comet Encke with an unknown number of meteoroid swarms plus possibly some small body pieces. When the Taurid complex intersected Earth 5000 years ago, maybe around 3100 BC, it may have caused a 100 year long period of tunguskans and mini-tunguskans.

Clube and Napier have already in their legendary "The Cosmic Winter" (Oxford (UK), Cambridge (US), 1990) told the Taurid story:

"It seems clear that we are looking at debris from the breakup of an extremely large object. The disintegration, or sequence of disintegrations, must have taken place within the past twenty or thirty thousand years as otherwise the asteroids would have spread around the inner planetary system and be no longer recognizable as a stream.

"The second discovery, due mainly to the Czechoslovakian astronomer Stohl, is that enveloping the Taurids, Comet Encke and these particular asteroids is a broad tube of meteoric debris. ... The Stohl stream is apparently double due probably to an exceptional fragmentation... The mass of the meteoric material within the Stohl stream is 10 or 20 billion tonnes. ... Adding in the mass of gas and very fine dust ... we find that the original body must have been about 100 kilometres across. ... Backtracking the orbits of Encke and Oljato, we find that 9500 years ago their orbits were nearly identical. It is possible there was a major disintegration of the prime body then, with much debris created of which Comet Encke and Oljato are the largest known bodies ... Oljato itself is in an orbit which brought it virtually into the Earth's orbital plane for some centuries around 3000-3500 BC."

Was it Oljato's tail that swarmed Earth around 3100 BC? Did it have a partner or is Swift-Tuttle a part of a parent body of both or did the parent body disintgrate into three parts: Oljate, Swift-Tuttle and a third part that rained on Earth 13 August 3114 BC, the Mayan day zero?

Darwin was not wrong while saying that evolution is the survival of the fittest, but today we must add that evolution is the survival of the fittest of the luckiest. The Third Millennium BC (3100-2100 BC) (http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/tilmari/tilmari2.htm#edda)

To understand as much of the threads as we can of the Survivor cultures on every continent together IMO could really help us reconnect to our human will. There are themes we can decipher that empower us.

This interview with Klaus Dona is a classic (thank you Bill Ryan). I think he is showing artifacts maybe even dating to BEFORE the 12,800 event.

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I am not attached to what Fomenko and others think are specific events but I think the history we learned has ignored the true global state of the world in the recent millenium. I think we can look to the same"kind" (BUT NOT AS GLOBAL OR INTENSE) of issues as with the cataclysm of 3100 BC.

Woodcut commemorating 4TH CENTURY cometary evets from Stanilaus Lubienietski's Theatrum Cometicum (Amsterdam, 1668)
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/69319main_comets_woodcarving-lg.jpg

I have a post here about the comets.

MAYBE ITS COMETS COMETS COMETS all the way down?? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72458-Atlantis-off-the-Americas&p=933623&viewfull=1#post933623)

I consider this source of earth changes to be important because they were not always catastrophic but influenced people.

Italy, 345 BCE: A ‘shower of stones rained down and darkness filled the sky during daylight’ (Livy 7, 28) and Rome contemplated the omen with considerable apprehension. In crucial matters of state such as this there was only one thing to do. They consulted the Sibylline Books, or Libri Sibillini, a collection of oracular utterances acquired by Tarquinius Superbus, the last king of Rome. The sacred texts were acquired from a sibyl, a Pagan priestess who prophesied at sacred sites while under the influence of drugs and the divine influence of a deity, often a woman of established social order, known reverently as a ‘bee goddess’..........

................Nearly one hundred and fifty years had passed since the last ‘shower of stones rained down’ on Rome, but return they did. The year was 205 BCE and the Second Punic War, known as the War Against Hannibal, was coming to a close. Reports were widespread of ‘frequently falling rocks’ in the region and the phenomenon was creating religious fervour throughout the land. The meteorites had returned.THE GODDESS WHO FELL TO EARTH
(http://andrewgough.co.uk/goddess/)

Along with the Bull, there is also veneration of the Bee in the ancient Taurus time frame. The myths show that after the Flood, we had "ark"s and life ensuring qualities and technology were taught by holy people.

I think that REAL and healthful spiritual veneration and connection to God/Goddess (meaning reverence, not necessarily worship) is of an earth based natural kind. Medicines, knowledge of agriculture, hygiene, animal husbandry was all a SACRED lifestyle of the Wise Ones. This was SYSTEMATICALLY attacked by the rulers. The Heathen world was destroyed.

What about this legacy of evidence of veneration of the Bee? IMO there are sources to investigate that look at the way that the Bee and agriculture informed the remnants of Survivor cultures. I want just share some things that interested me about the bee and veneration across the world.

LOST TRADITION OF THE SACRED BEE (http://dev.atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/lost-tradition-of-the-sacred-bee/)
Incredibly, bees over 100 million years old have been discovered in amber, frozen in time, as if immortalized in their own honey. The Greeks called amber Electron, associated with the Sun God Elector, who was known as the awakener, a term also given to honey—which resembles amber—a regenerative substance revered across the ancient world. This association led to the bees’ illustrious status amongst ancient man, exalting their fossilized remains over the preserved vestiges of all other insects.

Prehistory is full of clues that hint at ancient man’s obsession with bees. In the Cave of the Spider near Valencia in Spain, a 15,000-year-old painting depicts a determined looking figure risking his life to extract honey from a precarious, cliff-side beehive. Honey hunting represents one of man’s earliest hunter / gatherer pursuits—its very difficulty hinting at the genesis of the bee’s adoration in prehistory. And, of course, it was the bee that led ancient shamans to the plants whose hallucinogens transported their consciousness into the spirit world of the gods. Curiously, recent research has revealed that the sound of a bee’s hum has been observed during moments of change in the state of human consciousness, including individuals who have experienced alleged UFO abductions, apparitions, and near death experiences. Was this phenomenon known by the ancients and believed to have been one of the elements that made the bee special?

Honey Hunting in Spain

In Anatolia, a 10,000-year-old statue of the Mother Goddess adorned in a yellow and orange Beehive-style tiara has led scholars to the conclusion that the Mother Goddess had begun to morph into the Queen Bee, or bee goddess, around this time. At the Neolithic settlement of Catal Huyuk, rudimentary images of bees dating to 6540 BC are painted above the head of a Goddess in the form of a halo; and beehives are stylistically portrayed on the walls of sacred temples. Not surprisingly, it was the Sumerians who soon emerged as the forefathers of organized bee keeping. Mesopotamia—modern day Iraq—flourished from the early sixth century BC and is known as the cradle of civilization; and it is here that the Sumerians invented Apitherapy, or the medical use of bee products such as honey, pollen, royal jelly, propolis, and venom.

Sumerian reliefs depicting the adoration of extraordinary winged figures have often been interpreted by alternative history writers as proof of extraterrestrial intervention. In the context of the benefits of beekeeping, it is more likely they depict the veneration of bees. Significantly, the Sumerian images gave rise to the dancing goddess motif, a female dancer with her arms arched over her head that scholars believe represents a bee goddess priestess or shaman. The motif, which would become central to Egyptian symbolism, appears to allude to the bee’s unique ability to communicate through dance, the waggle dance as it is known, or the ability to locate food up to three miles from home and return to communicate its whereabouts to the hive through dance, sort of prehistoric satellite navigation.

So, society had discovered the immense value that bees provide, ten thousand years ago or more, back in the mist of prehistory. As life along the River Nile evolved and Dynastic rule in ancient Egypt slowly developed, the seeds of bee veneration had already been sown. But the tradition was about to be embraced like never before, or since.

The Bee Goddess in Ancient Egypt

Egyptologists, such as David Rohl, believe that Sumerian culture migrated across the Eastern Egyptian Desert and into the Nile Valley. This desolate expanse of Wadis is renowned for its pre-dynastic rock art depicting exalted-looking figures with exaggerated plume-like decorations. The unusual lines extending upwards from the main figures’ heads recall the antenna of the bee while hinting at the shape of the plumes that would characterize the headdress of Egyptian Kingship for thousands of years to come. The images also depict the Dancing Goddess motif, a woman with her hands bowed over her head just as the ‘dancing’ bee Goddess had been depicted in Sumerian and Central European reliefs thousands of years earlier. The icon is widespread in Egyptian mythology and appears to have originated from an understanding of the bee’s unique ability to communicate through ‘dance.’

Another clue to the bee’s artistic influence can be found in ceremonial Egyptian dress, which has certain stylistic similarities with the bee, namely the headdress, or nemes, which consists of alternating yellow and dark horizontal stripes. This visual synchronicity is discernible in many reliefs and sculptures but is perhaps best illustrated in the death mask of the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh, Tutankhamen, which famously depicts the Pharaoh adorned in alternating black and yellow stripes or bands, just like a bee.

The Egyptian Death Mask

Egypt’s fascination with bees stems from the earliest of epochs. Northern Egypt, or the land stretching from the Delta to Memphis, was known as “Ta-Bitty,” or “the land of the bee.” King Menes, founder of the First Egyptian Dynasty, was bestowed with the office of “Beekeeper”, a title ascribed to all subsequent Pharaohs, and an image of the bee was positioned next to the Pharaoh’s cartouche.

The Egyptian God Min was known as the ‘Master of the Wild Bees’ and dates to 3000 BC or earlier. Similarly, the Egyptian Goddess Neith was a warrior deity also possessing fertility symbolism and virginal mother qualities, all attributes of the Queen bee. In Sais, Neith was regarded as the Goddess of the ‘House of the Bee’ and the Mother of RA, the ‘the ruler of all’. Egyptian mythology contains countless references to bees, including the belief that they were formed from the tears of the most important god in its pantheon, RA. The bee is even featured on the Rosetta Stone.

Bees are portrayed on the walls of Egyptian tombs, and offerings of honey were routinely presented to the most important Egyptian deities. Indeed, honey was the ‘nectar of the gods,’ and like the Sumerians before them, Egyptian physicians relied on its medicinal value for many important remedies and procedures, including early forms of mummification.

One Egyptian monument that exhibits a peculiar form of bee symbolism is the Saqqara step pyramid, which recalls the six-sided shape of a bee’s honeycomb, with six levels above ground and one very special level below—the Apis bull necropolis known as the Serapeum. Egyptologists believe that the Apis bull was bestowed with the regenerative qualities of the Memphite god Ptah—the Egyptian god of reincarnation. They also believed that those who inhaled the breath of the Apis bull received the gift of prophesy; and perhaps most importantly of all, the Egyptians believed that the bull was transformed into Osiris Apis, after death. ‘Bee’ in Latin is ‘Apis’, which may have derived from Sipa / Asipa in Mesopotamia; Sipa meaning ‘Great Shepherd in the Sky’ and Apis meaning Osiris. This relates to the belief that after death, the Pharaoh’s soul joined Osiris as a star in the constellation of Orion.

Legend tells us that an Apis bull produced 1000 bees, and that the bees represented souls. Intriguingly, the Egyptian Goddess Nut was the goddess of the sky—the domain of bees—and keeper of the title She Who Holds a Thousand Souls, which appears to refer to the 1000 bees—or souls—that are regenerated from the body of an Apis bull.

Similarly, the Hebrew letter Alef | Aleph carries the meaning ‘thousand’ and both the Proto-Sinatic Hieroglyphic and its Pro-Canaanite symbol depict a bull’s head, alluding to the fact that 1000 bees—or resurrected souls, are produced by the sacrifice of an Apis bull. Additionally, Christ—the saviour archetype of Osiris, renowned for his resurrection, is written in Hebrew as ‘QRST’ and carries the value 1000.

The ancient belief that bees were born of bulls leads me to think that the underground necropolis known as the Serapeum may have been a ritual center of regeneration designed to recycle souls from the heads of bulls, and not simply a mausoleum for bulls. Might the rituals carried out in the Serapeum represent the earliest form of Mithraism, the Roman mystery religion involving the ritualistic slaughter of bulls?

Another ancient culture influenced by the ancient Egyptians was the Minoan, a civilization with close ties to the ancient Egyptians who were experts in beekeeping, a craft they later imparted to the Greeks. This leads us to another fascinating aspect of Egyptian bee symbolism; the Sphinx, the famed rock-hewn statue known by the Egyptians as Hun nb, but re-named Sphinx by the Greeks. How does all this relate to the bee? Quite simply, the Minoan word for bee was ‘sphex’ (Hilda Ransome, The Sacred Bee P64, 1937).

So what can we conclude from this revelation? The civilization that educated the Greeks in the craft of beekeeping used the word ‘sphex’ to describe the bee—and the Greeks named the goddess-like rock statue ‘Sphinx’. Was the Sphinx already present when Menes first established Kingship and was it known that the Sphinx represented a bee goddess, hence the Pharaoh’s title, Beekeeper? The possibility is tantalizing, and given the Egyptians fascination with bees, not altogether far-fetched.

The Lost Tradition

The influence of Sumerian and Egyptian bee veneration spread to Greece, where Greek mythology depicted bees on the statues of their most important gods and goddesses and evolved the notion of bee Goddesses into the honored position of female bee shamans called Melissa’s, which later morphed into the sacred status of Sybil’s. In fact, the second temple at Delphi is said to have been made entirely by bees, and the great oracle stone resembling a hive encircled with bees.

The Omphalos and Bee Veneration?

The Romans practiced Mithraism, a secret religion predicated on the ritualistic slaughter of bulls that is reminiscent of Egyptian bull / bee rituals that were performed in the underground temple known as the Serapeum. Curiously, the practice appears to have been preserved in modern times in the controversial sport of Bullfighting, and many of Spain’s oldest bullrings are built on or near Mithras temples, confirming the association.

Mayan culture venerated the bee and depicted gods in its image in their most sacred temples; and as far away as India religions adopted bee gods and goddess into their mythology. Even the Catholic Church incorporated the bee as a symbol of the Pope’s authority; evidence of which can be seen in Vatican City today.

Beehive-styled stone huts were constructed in antiquity from Ireland to Africa, and many places in-between, such as Germany, where Heinrich Himmler, the most powerful man in Germany after Adolf Hitler, constructed the SS’s most sacred ritual chamber in the shape of a beehive in the basement of the 17th century Wewelsburg Castle.

Political movements, such as Communism, drew upon the altruistic behavior exhibited in a beehive as a blueprint for their ideologies;while rulers such as Napoleon followed the tradition of their ancestors, in this instance, the long-haired Kings of France known as the Merovingian’s—believed by some to represent the bloodline of Christ—whose famous King Childeric was discovered buried with 300 bees made of solid gold.

Precursor to the Fleur-de-lys

Not only did Napoleon ensure that the symbol of the bee was infused in the decor and style of the royal court, and greater society, he adopted ‘The Bee’ as his own nickname. It is also believed that the bee was the precursor to the fleur-de-lys, the national emblem of France. The theory is supported by many, including the French physician, antiquary, and archaeologist Jean-Jacques Chifflet. In fact Louis XII, the 35th King of France, was known as ‘the father of the pope’ and featured a beehive in his Coat of Arms.

And then there is the strange tale of Pierre Plantard, a Frenchman who in the later half of the 20th century promoted his association with the Merovingian’s and was regarded by some as the last direct descendant of Jesus Christ. Plantard claimed to have been a Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, a controversial society with considerable interests in the Merovingian lineages commissioned by Napoleon. Curiously, Plantard’s family crest featured both the fleur-de-lys and the bee, and he is purported to have written, ‘we are the beekeepers’ in his private correspondences.

French Freemasonry soon spread to the United States of America, aided by early American forefathers such as Thomas Jefferson, who wrote passionately about the importance of bees, while others such as President George Washington featured the beehive on his Masonic apron. In no uncertain terms, early American society borrowed many of its philosophical principles from Freemasonry, which had incorporated bee symbolism and themes into its rituals, and established its government on the orderly, stable and altruistic behavior exhibited in a beehive, like societies and movements before them had for thousand of years.

An indication of the bee’s importance to early American forefathers is expressed in the fact that the entire Western Region of the United States was originally named Deseret (honeybee). Not surprisingly, folk culture embraced the bee, and the concept of ‘telling bees’ about the death of a loved one became common practice. The Austrian philosopher and esotericist Rudolf Steiner (1861 – 1925) wrote and lectured extensively on the bee and predicted its demise in just under a 100 years time, right about now. So too did Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955) predict the demise of the bee. The famed physicist is attributed with having said;

“If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man.”

Archaeologist Marija Gimbutas (1921 - 1994) writes of this passage by Porphyry: “...we learn that Artemis is a bee, Melissa, and that both she and the bull belong to the moon. Hence both are connected with the idea of a periodic regeneration. We also learn that souls are bees and that Melissa draws souls down to be born. The idea of a ‘life in death’ in this singularly interesting concept is expressed by the belief that the life of the bull passed into that of the bees.”

How did these titles of Melissa for the Great Mother and her priestesses as Melissae come about? The Melissae may have inherited their title from an old order of nymphs - to this day the larva of bees are called nymphs! Priestesses of the Bee: The Melissae (http://mirrorofisis.freeyellow.com/id576.html)

The Bee featured prominently in another ancient culture – the Dogon, a tribe from the West African region of Mali whose Nommo ancestors and Sirian mythology were made famous by Robert Temple in his book, The Sirius Mystery. The Dogon belief system is ancient, and until approximately 140 AD, its zodiac featured the Bee as the symbol of the constellation presently occupied by Libra. The Bee’s position in the Dogon Zodiac is significant to esoteric thought leaders such as Cabalists, who recognize the Bee’s role in establishing balance and harmony in the zodiac – and in life. Curiously, two of the most common Dogon symbols resemble schematized figures identified by Marija Gimbutas as Bees; one is associated with vital food supplies and the other with reincarnation. Together, the Dogon images reflect the essence of the Bee’s perceived value in ancient times.THE BEE: PART 1 – BEEDAZZLED (http://andrewgough.co.uk/articles_bee1/)
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Goddess wearing a beehive tiara from Turkey, circa 8000 BC
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Pythia – the ‘Delphic Bee’ sitting on the Delphic Tripod Cauldron
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Minoan Bee Goddess laden with honey
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Beekeeping in Russian Forests (http://beelore.com/2010/01/19/beekeeping-in-russian-forests/)

We think in this age of beekeeping as a small time pursuit for either the small business or for some form of esoteric pass-time. In the past bee-keeping was anything but that. As an industry in Eastern Europe it probably reached a climax around 1200-1400. The reason that Eastern Europe was probably much better at producing honey than the west was simply that it had larger relatively undisturbed forests…. Or at least the forests had a smaller head of both human and domesticated animal population. Large quantities of grazing will eventually produce grass, whereas a smaller quantity of grazing will induce flowering ground cover and ideal areas for bees.

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The Germans in classical times used to venerate their beekeepers (this reference I can not find) and they achieved a priest like significance within their tribes. I could never quite get my head around this until I understood the economic significance of honey as well. Most of the following comes from Studies in Historical Geography (1983 Volume 1 (Academic Press) edited by Bater and French). The particular essay is Russians and the Forest by R.A. French p23-44.

French talks of the vast quantities of berries that could be picked by the peasants of Russia with productive areas producing up to 100kg/hectare of berries (bilberries and cowberries) per year as well as up to half a ton of mushrooms etc. However the honey was the most impressive with one village in 1599, Oreshenko in Belorussia having 1044 “bee-trees” listed in their records. 94 were oak and 950 were pine. 99 swarms were counted with an occupancy of roughly 10:1. In other parts the occupancy got as high as 6:1.

Bees made it into the Russian law books in the 12th century when the law codes, Russaya Pravda, were produced. In 1529 Lithuanian statutes also laid don laws against bee-tree destruction, determining that you could not go too close when ploughing or damage the tree by fire. In economic terms bees provided the most valuable forest resource and was one of the key drivers to eventual Russian expansion into Siberia.

Just how important was this industry? It was a major trading commodity in both Russia and Lithuania. As an example one nobleman, one Prince Suyatoslav of Kiev, had a honey store, in 1146, that totalled 500 berkovtsy, or 80 tonnes. At some times peasants were supposed to give half their honey takings to the crown in Russia, so honey became the business of everyone from peasant to csar.

In some areas peasants were employed to look after the crown’s bee-trees, and even in making new ones. (This was done by hacking out appropriate hollows in the trees.) The volume of honey produced was one thing but also beeswax was bought and sold as well. In the sixteenth century Customs Rolls of boats going down the river Neman to Konigsberg 600tonnes of beeswax was recorded as having passed by in just 6 weeks. Even in the 18th century the trade continued with the expansion towards the south and east and prime honey lands were moving east and south with the expansion. At that time the Province of Voronezh was exporting 900tonnes of honey per year. It was thus not really difficult to see why both the peasant and the aristocracy were interested in bees.

With the expansion of Russia in the 16th to 20th centuries one finds the forest quality of the interior diminishing and thus the bee-farming being pushed more often than not towards the frontiers. Here the “natural” (I am not a fan of this word as it implies no human interference, which is rubbish) forest was less disturbed and the berries still proliferated and thus was the perfect bee place. The more livestock the less bees I am assuming.

Delight

26th October 2015, 06:10

The survivor culture existed IMO in the culture of the Druids.

The group of people known as the Druids, their practices, beliefs, and lives are shrouded in a great deal of mystery and misconception. Many people are fascinated by Druidism, and the tales of clandestine powerful wizards-quietly working their magick under the velvet cloak of night. Thus the truth is often overlooked, and not well understood. But who were they? Where did they come from? To truly understand them, it is imperative to examine what linguistic studies have taught us about their origins.

Virtually all languages spoken today and throughout time- save for Finnish- stem from early forms of dialect called Proto Indo-European (PIE) Languages. Though it is impossible to discern the exact date that these first forms of communication were created, Latin, Sanskrit, and Greek all owe their origins to this early form of dialect. These PIE's as they are called and the people who spoke them influenced culture and society the world over as they spread from their origins in the area that is now Southern Russia. It was these early tribes of people that we know as The Celts. They first appeared as migrants from the Eastern Mediterranean to Britain in two waves- the first around 2300B.C., and the next around 2000B.C. From their ranks, arose the Druids.

People such as Max Mueller- the creator of "The Science of Religion" during the 1880's, (Which later became what we now know as the field of Comparative Religion), were pioneers in discovering so much about how the Celtic and Druidic culture spread throughout Europe. Georges Dumezil's extensive research, which resulted similarly in the birth of Dumezilian Comparative Mythology, achieved similar ends. These men's work paved the way to later research by countless others who realized these early people served as key influences in the political and social development of Europe and other world cultures via language and religious custom- among these were the Romans, Christianity, and both Witchcraft and Wicca.

The Druids established themselves as a spiritual class of healers, teachers, and rulers. They were a group that observed and worshipped the patterns and elements of nature around them, viewing these patterns as reflections of themselves and Man's world. Ritual practices and beliefs were constructed that sought to bring Man into a closer harmony with nature, and build a relationship that assisted Him in living daily life, with everything
from herbalism and holistic medicine, to rites that celebrated birth, death, and marital unions.

For centuries, they flourished and were revered and respected by the Celtic peoples, as well as other races and groups later on, such as the Jews and early Romans. The Druids were viewed by their own people as the equivalent of a clergy, or ruling class. There existed within their ranks a hierarchy as well, consisting of the following: The Arch-Druid- the wisest or eldest ranking Druid in a particular Grove- or group- equivalent to a
king. The Druids, who were equivalent to the clergy class. Sacrificers- the name being somewhat of a misnomer- who were of a warrior-type class. The Bards, the equivalent of an artist or trade class, and new initiates or followers, who were like serfs and assisted with the menial or mundane duties of the order. The garments and robes they wore reflected their status: Gold, White, Red, Blue, and Brown/Black respectively. They possessed a very sophisticated system of order for their peoples' time, and it is this type of order that is reflected in many of their rituals and workings.

The Druids are responsible for many occult systems and religious symbolisms used today by practitioners of many beliefs and traditions- among them Christianity, Judaism, and Wicca. Among them are the uses of the number three, and of tripods or trinities as evidenced by one of the Druids' chief symbols, The Triscale, a swirling image of three lines coming together to a circle in balance. Also the use of the trees and their different energies and properties in folk magic practices that survive even to this day, as well as countless other ideologies on polarity, balance, meditation, and macro/microcosmic cycles within life. They have contributed immensely to the foundation of society in Europe, and the world over.The Druids- A Brief Cultural History (http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/d/druids_the_a_brief_cultural_history.html)

Apparently, the bee was an intrinsic symbol in the culture of the Druids.

The bee is symbolic of fertility, community, prosperity, diligence and work ethic. Some cultures view bees as messengers of the Gods. Their honey has also been compared to ambrosia or nectar of the Gods, thus elevating bees to the status of royalty. The ancient Egyptians often depicted bees in hieroglyphics when referring to royalty or people high standing. Many ancient and elite families even included bees as part of their family crests.

The bee has also been associated with the Sun and the Goddess according to Druid beliefs. The position of the queen bee that bears so many offspring illustrates this. Fertility is part of the bee’s symbolism and reminiscent of the Goddess and her reproductive power.The Spiritual Power of the Humble Bee (http://www.psychicsuniverse.com/articles/spirituality/living-spiritual-life/spiritual-power-humble-bee)

Druids, bees and trees form a golden triad, each sharing in a
relationship of vital mutualism, cooperation and symbiosis. Bees
pollinate trees, and trees feed and house bees. Druids interpret,
protect and nurture both trees and bees as sources of health,
wealth, wisdom, and access to the faerie world. Alan Watts, in
the Tao of Philosophy, asks us to see beyond our ‘skinsacks’ to
the outside which is part of our inside. I believe we need to apply
that to our understanding of the natural world and our ancestors
in interpreting the natural world, the Druids.
This interaction between bees and Druids is preserved in the
Scottish adage: “Ask a wild bee what the druids knew.” In Celtic
society, bees were thought to have secret knowledge, and
transmit communications between ours and the otherworld.
Bees, with their secret language, were traditionally the
messengers from the faery world. In some of the earliest know
literature of Ireland, bees hold a prominent position. Bee
references appear twice in Song of Amergin: (1) “I am a tear the
Sun lets fall”, a metaphor for bees and honey that also was used
in ancient Egypt, and (2) “I am the queen of every hive”. Among
the natural wonders of Ireland to which Amergin was laying claim,
no other receives two mentions.
In all of the social functions of Druids: artist, mystic, scholar,
healers, advisers, magicians, poets, seers, leaders, teachers,
historians, jurists, shaman or priest, and most importantly truth
seekers, bees demonstrate their relevance, as Druids mediate
our knowledge of this world and the next. The literature on the
association between Druids and trees is highly developed, but the
final leg of the golden triad, the druidic consanguinity with the
golden honey bee and her many golden gifts are not as well
developed.
A G O L D E N T R I A D: DRUIDS, BEES AND TREES (http://www.druidry.org/sites/default/files/pdf-uploads/A%20%20G%20O%20L%20D%20E%20N%20%20%20T%20R%20I%20A%20D.pdf)

Woman gathering honey, watercolour copy by F. Benitez Mellado of a painting in the Cueva de la Arana, near Bicorp, Spain; the Museum of Prehistory, Valencia, Spain.
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The Bee was associated with the Merovingians, rulers who dated their beginnings to The Fisher kings. I suspect that this could be a Survivor culture.

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From “Bloodline of the Holy Grail” by Laurence Gardner:

The Merovingian kings were noted sorcerors in the manner of the Samaritan Magi, and they firmly believed in the hidden powers of the honeycomb. Because a honeycomb is naturally made up of hexagonal prisms, it was considered by philosophers to be the manifestation of divine harmony in nature. Its construction was associated with insight and wisdom – as detailed in Proverbs 24:13-14: “My son, eat thou honey, because it is good… So shall the knowledge of wisdom be unto thy soul…”

To the Merovingians, the bee was a most hallowed creature. A sacred emblem of Egytian royalty, it became a symbol of Wisdom. Some 300 small golden bees were founded stitched to the cloak of Childeric I (son of Meroveus) when his grave was unearthed in 1653. Napoleon had these attached to his own coronation robe in 1804. He claimed this right by virtue of his descent from James de Rohan-Stuardo, the natural son (legitimized in 1667) of Charles II Stuart of Britain by Marguerite, Duchesse de Rohan. The Stuarts in turn were entitled to this distinction because they, and their related Counts of Brittany, were descended from Clodion’s brother Fredemundus – thus (akin to the Merovingians) they were equally in descent from the Fisher Kings through Faramund. The Merovingian Bee (http://beelore.com/2007/12/23/the-merovingian-bee/)

Now, let's THINK a minute. What institution declared the Lucifer was a bad guy?????

Much has been wrote on the Holy Grail Blood lines and the magic Power of the
blood in reality they deal with the powerful Aryan Monarchs or Priest Kings who
maintained the power of the Grail “Serpent energy” as the “blood” is the energy
of the Kundalini and also the DNA Helix carries the level of enlightenment or
Serpentine Power which is passed down generation after generation, this also
means the Grail Blood Line is the literal living blood line of Satan and the
Demons as each White person is of direct descent from a living Nordic Demon or
God and we are of Satan’s blood line. These blood lines upon study go back to
the East, the homeland of the Aryan Race. Many of the beings mentioned in the
later Grail Legends are actual humanized Gods and Goddesses.

Kundalini and the DNA are connected as the main Serpentary network is the marco
of the DNA helix, the DNA. On the spiritual or quantum level is a vibrational
information code that as higher amount of vibration floods the body the
vibration changes thus the code changes morphing the individual to a higher
level of transformation. DNA is an vibrational information code when a higher
current goes thought you, the DNA literally morphs as the infomation code
changes to correspond to the new vibration. This is the origin of bio-morphic
field it’s the light body part of the infomation field that is connected into
the DNA and extended from it and the ancients called it the Ren. When you look
at DNA on the quantum level it’s vibration and light energy.

Such energy and abilities being passed down via the blood is why the Catholic
Church would wipe the whole family of the one tried for Witchcraft out, to
remove the power transmitted in the blood line [blood is from an ancient
Germanic term meaning “Sacred”] and can be still viewed today as many people
born with spiritual abilities had close family members usually a Parent with
them.
A famous Serpent ruling family was the Merovingians who where wiped out by the
Vatican and replaced with a Papal backed psychopath and proxy:

“The Mevrovingians also apparently revealed their affiliation to Lucifer…the
name of one of their capital cities, Satanicum the “Place of Satan.” The
Mevrovingian link to Lucifer was also implicit in a curious royal birthmark in
the shape of a red cross, the ancient Mark of Cain, which a Merovingian would
proudly display over his heart.

Merovee which means “Born from the Sea”. Has also been written as Merovach
meaning “Born from a Bull” as well Merovie, meaning Sea of Life or Water of
Life. The name Merovee thus designates first Fisher King of the Merovingian line
to be the vessel of the Water of Life.”

The references to water are allegory for the “Waters of Life” of the Kundalini
Power. One of the Merovingian castles has the Black Sun upon the floor just as
Himmler SS Castle would have later on. Another blood line famous in Europe from
the ancient world was the Danaans.

It is my belief the Cathars and Templars where formed out of these aristocratic
lines, the Cathars openly held Lucifer to be Lord of the Grail and worshipped
him. The Church destoryed the Cathars in a 30 year crusade that killed half a
million and more innocent human beings.Origin and Truth Of The Grail Mytho (https://astarothsite.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/origin-and-truth-of-the-grail-mythos/)

Delight

26th October 2015, 06:57

Lucifer:

Lucifer is the word meaning 'light bearer' (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star" the planet Venus. The word Lucifer was the translation of the Septuagint Greek heosphoros, ("dawn-bearer"; cf. Greek phosphoros, "light-bearer"; itself the translation of the Hebrew Helel ben Shahar, Son of Dawn), used by Jerome in the Vulgate, having mythologically the same meaning as Prometheus who brought fire to humanity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

So Lucifer represents knowledge. Knowledge of fire is symbolic of practical knowledge.

"Fire in its physical appearance can do for you what the sun itself does for the whole world - it provides you with light and warmth and can serve you as heat source to cook upon."

I think it is not farfetched to claim the problem was that HUman's lost their bicarmal mind. This was desperation incarnate. We were coping with a change in consciousness.

Julian Jaynes suggests Consciousness-Breakdown-Bicameral-Mind (URL="http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Consciousness-Breakdown-Bicameral-Mind/dp/0618057072") suggests the minds of many were severely altered.

His theory, in simplest terms, is that until about 3000 years ago, all of humankind basically heard voices. The voices were actually coming from the other side of the brain, but because the two hemispheres were not in communication the way they are now for most of us, the voices seemed to be coming from outside. The seemed, in fact, to be coming from God or the gods.
So far, so good. That is certainly imaginable to most of us, because we know that schizophrenics and some others still hear voices in apparently this manner today.
But he also posits that many sophisticated civilizations were created by men and women who were all directed by these godlike voices. What is not very clearly explained (a serious gap in his theory) is how all the voices in these "bicameral civilizations," as he calls them, worked in harmony. But his theory is that ancient Greece, Babylon, Assyria, Egpyt, and less ancient but similar Mayan and Incan kingdoms were all built by people who were not "conscious" in our modern sense.

he calls the shift from bicameral (two houses) to modern consciousness a "breakdown." He sees the shift as happening in response to crises and threats in the environment, but he doesn't present it as necessarily positive, and certainly not as pleasant to those living in its shadow. He sees the cries of the Jews and many other people for God to "rend the heavens and come down," to "not forsake them," as cried from people who no longer hear the "voices" that seemed to be the gods, and who desperately miss them.
In view of individuals such as Mother Teresa, who at one point had a clear inner sense of being directed by God (not necessarily actual auditory voices) and then lost that sense of presence and had to walk blindly thereafter (or silently would be a better metaphor), perhaps we would agree that the experience of the gods or God going silent not only happened at large in human history but is often recapitulated in individuals' personal history as well.

That indicates to me that some did NOT lose their minds?
IMO the rapid recovery and rise of post flood civilization may have been through a kind of mental/energy healing as in Egypt? I suspect help and healing meant many recalled their collective coherence??

The wise ones were renowned healers.

My answer is that a desperation inspired people to followa fear based system of superstition/ religion. This succeeded in cementing human attention away from seeking inner knowing to following orders of an Outside God. IMO, a traumatized group became superstitious as they tried to make sense of this disaster and their great loss.

I think that part of the survivor culture was what we would say looked like magic. The ability to interact from a multidimesional perspective was an energy tuning. The survivor culture had an inner technology, an inner spring of creativity as seen in just the art work of the Russian Horde.

IMO religion was the way to capture the heart of man. Some people did lose heart and some did not.

And who is to say WHO Adam is, except Adam sinned against "god" by knowledge. The heathen, the pagan, the elders were murdered.
Wipe out the the sinner and no more problem with knowledge.

And WHO is the real pre-Adamite?

ANTEDILUVIAN
Could a Pre-Flood world, or Pre-Adamite world have existed, if so is there any evidence of such a time?

Pre-Adamite or Pre-adamism is the belief that a civilization existed before Adam, the first human being named in the Bible.

Perhaps one of the most extraordinary theological concepts in the Bible is the proposition that God created and destroyed an ancient civilization on earth eons before the time of Adam and Eve. Although the Bible says nothing about how long ago all of this took place, it does seem to indicate that a Pre-Adamite society did exist at one time in the distant past.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Gen 1:1-2)

Whenever it is stated that God “made” the earth and the heaven, or any part thereof, it is referring to the restoration of the immediate heavens and earth sometime after the Pre-Adamite destruction portrayed in the second verse.

Isaiah gives us additional information:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? (Isa 14:12-17)

This passage indicates that there were nations of (people, pre-humans, angels?) inhabiting earth at the time Lucifer rebelled. The phrase, “which didst weaken the nations,” gives credence to this thought.

Jeremiah gives us additional information:

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. (Jer 4:23-26)

Jeremiah refers to the earth immediately after a Pre-Adamite destruction. This account of the destruction of the Pre-Adamite Earth, where its inhabitants dwelt in cities, must have been to destroy most evidences of the sinfulness of its occupants.ANCIENT PRE-ADAMITE HIGH TECHNOLOGY (http://www.fallenangels-ckquarterman.com/pre-adamite/)

YES, somethings TERRIBLE happened on the earth apparently. Then there was fear and the wish for "safety". People clung necessarily. I am so grateful for the survival of HUmans.

Murder, genocide was wrought by many sources of post flood systems that took on lives of their own as "Safety". Mankind experienced mental catastrophe(s). We are not so removed form the terror that occurred before present history. It is part of an imprint and it has been a continued battle of scarcity.

Alienation from self is a thoughtform condition that created the systems that humans further amplified and that continue EVEN though they always work against the humans in them.

IMO the human mind had shattered in the wake of catyclysm and a large portion split off the intuitive, the connection to earth science by Participation with a sentient world. Those who lost their balance created the need to categorize and logically engage abstractions...the matrix of artifice was the result of the splinters.

IMO the survivors were the lineage from Hyporborea the land of magicians that never were disconnected. They had the grail within them. The rest needed to make a grail.

IMO, we ARE preAdamite and all phases of life. As all earth changes scenes, we alter also. The CONSCIOUSNESS that directs all life is of lets say Aether. IMO humans lost touch with the original way we communicated with consciousness in Aether.

Many many millenial periods died off and we continued to alter and this has been a saga. So I agree with newearth that we were NEVER in the family of Apes.

We were pre-Adamite and then are moving to POST Adamite as we are NOW doing. (Just words but we are consciousness also...we are what we are and have to take responsibity) The quick response of epigenetics allowed us to remain here as conditions on earth were severely altered.

IMO the war has only ever been the war within man. IMO this "forgotten" is part of some GRAND condition in the cosmos. The experience of US is vastly more dramatic than the artifice would say (the citified man) and we are in reclamation now. HUman who innately has such amazing capacity of the body when connected to the Earth willingly follow the artifice. Then HUman regains consciousness and returns to the natural inheritance I Am.

The survivor culture is all around us in bits and pieces to pick up and When the Survivors (as Sylvie says) wake up, we restore the pattern. This is a trick of consciousness itself sending insight. The knowing is whole brain and the inner technology awake. The mind is no longer split. That is when we paint the whole picture.

Levitation Tumo, and consciously interacting with matter is a state of mind.

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Elixer

3rd November 2015, 09:22

I've watched the entire series and then some. Great work by 'newearth', fabulous.

In episode 40 she mentions her intention to set up a Remote Viewing project.
She will make blind targets in the context of her work, for volunteer-viewers to investigate.

I think it would be great if Avalon could get organized and contribute to this effort.
Recent developments here, suggest that the community might be ready for some realistic research into the nature of our world,
rather than following another story-teller with fanciful tales, that can never be verified. (Is RV realistic though?...)

So I hope we can get a small group of Avalonians together to help her in this project.
Since it seems 'newearth' has enough work to do already, maybe we can even help her get this RV project off the ground.

Cidersomerset

3rd November 2015, 10:12

( I just realised this is rather earlier than the Dark ages , but the point in my
head at the time of posting was on the lines that civilisation may have had
origins in Russia migrating down into the middle East region )

Andrew Collins was on about this he thinks that the builders of Gobekli Tepi come
from a region of southern Russia and he names them in his research of the area ,
which I cannot remember off hand. He has many longer interviews and
presentations , but I have found a short one that gives the basics of his latest
research below....

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Lost World Of The Human Hybrids: Watchers, Giants and the True Founders of Civilization

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Published on 17 May 2015

Presented by ANDREW COLLINS. Full DVD & MP4 at
http://www.megalithomania.co.uk/colli.... Andrew is co-organiser of the Origins
Conference and author of Göbekli Tepe: Genesis of the Gods. He demonstrates how
the Watchers and Nephilim of the book of Enoch, and the Anunnaki of
Mesopotamian mythology, are the memory of Neanderthal-human hybrids called
Swiderians who entered eastern Anatolia from the north at the time of the Younger
Dryas mini ice age, ca. 10,900-9600 BC. Andrew reveals the much wider impact
these Neanderthal-human hybrids had on the rise of civilization. He examines also
our ancestors relationship to the newly discovered hominin species called the
Denisovans, showing that the giant skeletons found at numerous mound sites in
the United States are the result of hybridization between Denisovans and Homo
sapiens. He looks also at the Denisovans presence in southeast Asia, showing how
in Java the Denisovans are perhaps remembered as the Raksasas, a giant race said
to have been the earliest inhabitants of the island. Did they also leave behind as a
legacy the breathtaking megalithic complex of Gunung Padang in West Java, which
new geological surveys suggest could be as much as 24,000 years old? For more
information on the subject matter of this DVD presentation see Andrew Collins's
upcoming book on Denisovans, Neanderthals, and the search for the lost world of
the Human Hybrids, published by Inner Traditions/Bear & Co. in 2016 . See Andrew
at the Origins Conference 2015: http://bit.ly/1IArx37

Andrew Collins is a historical writer and explorer living in the United Kingdom. He is
the author of more than a dozen books that challenge the way we perceive the
past. They include From the Ashes of Angels (1996), which establishes that the
Watchers of the book of Enoch and the Annunaki of the Sumerian texts are the
memory of a shamanic elite that catalyzed the Neolithic revolution in the Near East
at the end of the last Ice Age; Gateway to Atlantis (2000), which pins down the
source of Plato’s Atlantis to the Caribbean island of Cuba and the Bahaman
archipelago; and The Cygnus Mystery (2007), which shows that the constellation of
Cygnus has been universally venerated as the place of first creation, and the
entrance to the sky-world, since Paleolithic times. In 2008 Andrew and colleague
Nigel Skinner Simpson discovered a previously unrecorded cave complex beneath
the Pyramids of Giza, which has brought him worldwide acclaim. It is a story told in
his book Beneath the Pyramids (2009). Gobekli Tepe: Genesis of the Gods (2014)
is to be published by Bear and Company. http://www.andrewcollins.com

ThePythonicCow

3rd November 2015, 16:26

According to New Chronology (Fomenko) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)), the traditional chronology consists of four overlapping copies of the "true" chronology shifted back in time by significant intervals with some further revisions.
It appears that the first four volumes of the English consolidation of Fomenko's seven volume work, "History: Fiction or Science?", are available online, as a collection of pdf's, at http://chronologia.org/en/seven/

This is the "Official WEB-project of the scientific direction NEW CHRONOLOGY", at http://chronologia.org (Russian), or http://chronologia.org/en/ (English), or a few other languages accessible from the top page http://chronologia.org, and more, related, information is available at this site regarding this project, in addition to Fomenko's "History: Fiction or Science?" work.

(Aha - I see bsbray briefly mentioned http://chronologia.org/en/ a few weeks ago, in his Less known ancient megalithic archaeological sites -- Post #7 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81207-Less-known-ancient-megalithic-archaeological-sites&p=1002633&viewfull=1#post1002633).)

Delight

3rd November 2015, 17:03

Delight

3rd November 2015, 19:23

Delight

3rd November 2015, 19:39

Sylvie has a segment on star shaped "medieval" forts/city layouts.

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It is so hard to date stone and sometimes stone structures last and are continuously used to the present day.
Sylvie noted later that she had a response form a viewer mentioning star shaped towers in medieval China/Tibet.

The Himalayan Towers are a series of stone towers located mostly in Tibet. Carbon dating (of timbers) shows they were built approximately 500 to 1,100 years ago. Since they are generally located in prosperous villages, it is believed that their primary function was as a demonstration of a family's prestige within the community. For strength, many of the towers use a star pattern of walls as opposed to a strictly rectangular method. Heights can exceed 60m. For more information see the work of Frederique Darragon.

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Himalayan towers and star forts are both an example of lasting stability of structure and continued usage. The star shape was associated with stability in the face of earthquakes.

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Among many Chinese mysterious structures, are star-shaped towers. Some of them are more than 100 feet tall. Not much is known about their origin. Their age is also very disputable.

According to what the locals say, the enigmatic unknown towers withstand the force of earthquakes!

What did make them to resist an earthquake? An explorer, Martine “Frederique” Darragon has spent much time to investigate these old stone structures, widespread across the lower slope of the Himalaya Mountains.

Living in the area monks were not able to shed light on these puzzling structures that in some way, do not fit the landscape of the Himalayas.

The star-shaped towers have never been mentioned in centuries-old monastery documents.http://www.messagetoeagle.com/never-explained-mystery-of-star-shaped-towers-of-the-himalayas/

ThePythonicCow

3rd November 2015, 21:37

It appears that the first four volumes of the English consolidation of Fomenko's seven volume work, "History: Fiction or Science?", are available online, as a collection of pdf's, at http://chronologia.org/en/seven/

Sylvie has a segment on star shaped "medieval" forts/city layouts.

Here's an hour long video on Fomenko's analysis comparing the construction of Jerusalem, as described in the Old Testament, with the construction of the Kremlin, the greatest fortress construction of its time. It's well produced and a pleasure to listen to ... perhaps an excellent introduction to Fomenko's work. Apparently it is the 11th episode in a series on Fomenko's "History: Fiction or Science?" work, but I've been unable to find the rest of the series.
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