A strange metaphor between homeopathy and the out of body human spirit

[ThePythonicCow]

A simple idea is forming in my mind ... but not an idea I've ever seen elsewhere, and involving a couple of subjects I am no expert in.

So the risk of the following making no sense to any reader is high :).

A combination of ideas, actually.

I propose that:


Homeopathic preparations work by capturing in the structure of water the properties of some primary substance, and then removing (by multiple dilutions) that primary substance, but still retaining the interesting structure in the water.
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The universe, at its various levels, is a partial ordering of self-organizing layers. Quarks form from the ether, sub-atomic particles form from quarks, atoms form from them, chemical molecules in turn; and so on, to the immense galaxy clusters and space faring civilizations. No level can violate the rules of the lower levels, but each level has its own rules of being and self-organizes and propagates its ordering throughout the universe in its own ways.
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The human spirit that animates our carcasses is at one of these levels, and will remain for the forseeable future a key difference between smarter, faster, stronger robots, and humans.
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The key integration of the above ideas: Perhaps the presence that some notice of the spirit outside of the presence of any meat carcass host is like the structuring of the water in a homeopathic preparation, outside of the presence of the primary substance used to form it.


Such a spirit presence could have subtle, but real world, effect, in other places, and other times, perhaps over the life of multiple meat carcasses.

[mosquito]

Absolutely right.

You have expressed in modern language a lot of the things which Samuel Hahnemann spoke of, or could only alude to, in 19th century language.

Over the last 200 years homoeopathy has suffered from an incomplete scientific understanding of its' principles. Owing in turn to science's incomplete understanding of the nature of reality and our place in it ! Things are changing though, and with the increasing number of free thinkers within the scientific and medical communities, I hope to see homoeopathy given a new lease of life, not unchanged though.

I'm sure you'd enjoy Hahnemann's "Organon of Medicine", it's full of simple common sense that is so often lacking in so called medical science.

Another book that would be worthwhile reading for you would be "The science of homoeopathy" by George Vithoulkas.

[idiit]

I propose that:
1.Homeopathic preparations work by capturing in the structure of water the properties of some primary substance, and then removing (by multiple dilutions) that primary substance, but still retaining the interesting structure in the water.




What are Infopathica?

Therapists applying the system assume that infopathica are substances which carry a stable informational pattern and which are able to transfer this informational pattern to the human body. These informational patterns are supposed to carry information of different kinds. They could be lingual (radionics), mathematical (SUMplus, Celani-code) or physical (like homeopathy). Infopathica are not recognized by the state authorities and by the medical system.

As to the underlying understanding of nature: Therapists applying infopathica assume that life is self-organized matter. This self-organization is based on waves of differed frequency and quality. To start with, one could mention the beat of the heart or the different brain frequencies, it covers the vibrational patterns within the cluster-structures of the cell-water, and ends with the visible light exchanged within the DNA-clusters, aka as bio-photons.
From the field of homeopathy we know how physical information works on the body. Homeopathy is about healing a disease by inserting the informational pattern of the disease itself. This is supposed to enable the body to recognize the disease and thus activate the immune system in a way that enables the body to fight it.
The mathematical patterns aim - according to the people who have developed such patterns - onto a more abstract level of self-organization. Hey are supposed to have more integrating character, they include natural resonance frequencies as well a universal system like the golden ratio. They are supposed to help the body to adjust to natural frequency patterns, to synchronize itself with the cosmic order. According to Eckhart Sirian Scheller once connected to such a cosmic order all sub-systems within the body tend to be in harmony. Things that have been blocked start to flow again. Apart from this, single informational patterns, that are part of a complex remedy, are much more stable when integrated by such a mathematical pattern. This also concerns questions of chronology within a complex process of healing.
The lingual patterns are not as easy to understand. They form the core of what nowadays is known as radionics. Research is still going on. One important aspect of the self-organization of the human body is the DNA-cluster, i.e. genetics. According to recent Russian findings the 95% of the DNA that are classified as "junk", carry the same structural patters and the human language and grammar. As it seems there are still a few fundamental things to discover: concerning the interaction of formulated thoughts, i.e. information encoded in sound, and the DNA, which is exactly the matter that is responsible for the morphogenesis of the human body. Even if this interconnection is not understood to the last detail... Therapists using radionics would agree that certain spoken affirmations, that have some miraculous effect during psychotherapy, would have the same effect when the information of these affirmations is applied-on and stored-in water. Such a classical affirmation could be a sentence like "I am worth to be loved". However, even single words show some effect on the informational patterns within water. Masaru Emoto could show, that a drop out of a glass of water with the word "respect" on it shows beautiful crystalline patterns when frozen, whereas a drop from a glass with the words "you must" will show an amorphous grey spot. The possibility to transfer a "vibration", i.e. the informational pattern of affirmations and single words, onto a probe by using number codes associated with the single letters is utilized in radionics.

Following these basic ideas infopathica are substances carrying information that integrates an intelligent combination of physical, mathematical and lingual in"form"ation, designed to help the body to optimize its self-organization.


What different ways are known to apply infopathica?

Generally spoken one could say that water, naturally grown crystals and metals are the most common materials used to carry informational patterns and transfer them to the environment. Thus informed isotonic salt-water sprays, gemstones & chains worn close to the body and drinking cups or plates to place drinkable liquids in or on have established in practice. One can state, that when a process of transformation is triggered and the body starts to detox, there is the possibility to help the body detox by taking zeolite and/or drink a lot of water of a good quality. Zeolite is a potent ion-exchanger and can deliver minerals needed as well as help to transport toxins and heavy metals out of the body. Among the consortium the idea arose to associate those little helpers by imprinting information directly onto zeolite and drinking glasses or other utilities to prepare or serve water. This way the risk to trigger the release of toxins stored within the body without associated detoxing is reduced.


more at link:

http://www.timeloopsolution.com/english/faq_e.html

this is kautz-valla stuff

if you want to play with structured water ( after learning what it means and applications) the water vortex magnetizer works great from my own experiences and research. cheap; $35.

http://www.dancingwithwater.com/products/vortex-magnetizer/

I place a couple tbs. of sea-crop into the wvm and run it for 4 times. the magnets activate the ormus in the sea-crop,

[ThePythonicCow]

I wondered for a few minutes why the first two replies to this thread focused on the first of my four ideas, not on the (more interesting and original, in my estimation) remaining three proposals.

But then I realized I had done much to cause this, with my overly cryptic and somewhat misleading thread title.

So I have changed the title of this thread from

Homeopathic spirits
to

A strange metaphor between homeopathy and the out of body human spirit
By "out of body", I don't just mean short little day (or night) trips away from one body, but also extended trips, after the life of one body has ended, perhaps visiting places and people familiar to the previous life, and perhaps animating yet another body, sometime later.

[Selene]

Your suppositions here are actually very good, Paul, for one who professes to have little understanding of this topic. Your modesty is endearing.

Per your second premise, if I may, I would offer one subtle but significant alteration. You suggested that:


No level can violate the rules of the lower levels, but each level has its own rules of being and self-organizes and propagates its ordering throughout the universe in its own ways.

In my understanding and experience, it is precisely the opposite dynamic: No lower [i.e. more physical] level can violate the rules of the higher levels.

It is the more subtle, high frequency levels of reality that form the matrix within which progressively more physical frequencies take their form and expression. The lower cannot violate the higher. There are more degrees of freedom expressed in the higher level frequencies than in the lower.

I realize this is fodder for an extended metaphysical discussion to which I am probably not equal, but I applaud your initiative here.

Cheers,

Selene

Further thought: What I mean here is that while your statement is "true", the physical, lower level cannot be seen as a constraint upon the higher level, if that makes sense.

[ThePythonicCow]

In my understanding and experience, it is precisely the opposite dynamic: No lower [i.e. more physical] level can violate the rules of the higher levels.
In my estimation, it is very definitely both. One cannot make carbon based organic molecules using sodium, chlorine or xeon instead of carbon ... doesn't work. But the carbon atoms in an organic molecule are guided, under the control of in essential ways, the structure and dynamics of the molecule.

The higher levels take over and assume the control of the lower levels, to some degree, depending on the "energy and focus" of the higher level, but always constrained by the essential properties, capabilities and limitations of the lower levels.

[Selene]

Exactly.

:thumb:

[mosquito]

I wondered for a few minutes why the first two replies to this thread focused on the first of my four ideas, not on the (more interesting and original, in my estimation) remaining three proposals.


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My reply, which started with the words "Absolutely right" applied to all 4 of your points :bigsmile:

As Selene points out - your thoughts on the subject are extremely astute, despite your belief that you know little about the subject.

[ThePythonicCow]

My reply, which started with the words "Absolutely right" applied to all 4 of your points :bigsmile:

As Selene points out - your thoughts on the subject are extremely astute, despite your belief that you know little about the subject.

Thanks :)

[mosquito]

In my understanding and experience, it is precisely the opposite dynamic: No lower [i.e. more physical] level can violate the rules of the higher levels.
In my estimation, it is very definitely both. One cannot make carbon based organic molecules using sodium, chlorine or xeon instead of carbon ... doesn't work. But the carbon atoms in an organic molecule are guided, under the control of in essential ways, the structure and dynamics of the molecule.

The higher levels take over and assume the control of the lower levels, to some degree, depending on the "energy and focus" of the higher level, but always constrained by the essential properties, capabilities and limitations of the lower levels.

I think you're both right (not that it's an argument) more refined levels of existence permeate and therefore influence the less subtle ones, often without our knowing. But the physical can put a damper on the spiritual, the clearest example of which would be how our own spiritual evolution often seems to be held back by our needs to survive in the system. Of course, another way to look at that would be to say that the physical challenges end up by aiding our spiritual development and evolution, just not necessarily in the way we'd like.

I like your idea of the homoeopathic style imprint of our being remaining between meat suits. It's one explanation of past life memory. Your thinking is very much along the same lines as my own ponderings over the last 25 years ! I'm just not 100% certain that it's the only, or indeed the right explanation....

In the last few years, I've been more drawn to the notion that we don't actually posess an individuated soul (which is basically analogous to your idea expressed in point 4). The physical, dualist world exists, and it is underpinned by the infinite, zero point, quantum potential, vacuum, 无极 （wuji - a Daoist term, meaning "no limits") whatever you want to call it. When we die, our awareness simply melts back into the infinite, much like a drop of water simply descends and becomes one with the pond/ocean from which it arose. For there to be a trace of soul left hanging around would mean there needs to be something bridging the ethereal and the physical, the sub-atomic level and the atomic. And seeing as there are many people who DO have past life recall, there must be a neat and beatiful explanation for it. Suffice it to say, I don't know what this is but I'm working on it ! (Don't hold your breath).

[ThePythonicCow]

When we die, our awareness simply melts back into the infinite, much like a drop of water simply descends and becomes one with the pond/ocean from which it arose.
Perhaps our spirit is neither wholly individuated when animating our (present) bodies, nor wholly melted back into a larger spiritual ordering after we die ?

(Just me playing guessing games with words ...)

[greybeard]

When we die, our awareness simply melts back into the infinite, much like a drop of water simply descends and becomes one with the pond/ocean from which it arose.
Perhaps our spirit is neither wholly individuated when animating our (present) bodies, nor wholly melted back into a larger spiritual ordering after we die ?

(Just me playing guessing games with words ...)

Its a good guess I suspect Paul
We are never totally only in the body and until enlightenment occurs there is seeming separation even on the leaving of the body.
There is always an awareness--dead or alive--smiling.
Guessing games are good as they are a process of elimination, as each idea is discarded you closer to spiritual truth.
Chris