Why do People have religion

[Bubu]

I can’t speak for every race but in the Philippines here is the case.

white men, Spanish came to town and try to conquer through religion and fake goodwill our ancestors those who opposed where disposed. Our great great great grandparents were recruited to religion, Christianity, under gunpoint and promise of favors. Great great grandparents in tow going to church every Sunday and doing various religious practices. Over time religion gradually became real to the young minds, "Lies repeated equals truth". Religion then was handed to next generation and each time becoming more real. My parents are devoted catholic’s when I was young we normally pray the holy rosary every day, doing the never ending hail holy mary over and over like a broken record. I don’t blame my parents they have the best intention for us they been brainwash. I was brainwash thankfully I woke up. I don’t have to brainwash my children to free them from these lies all I have to do is tell the truth and they immediately saw the logic, the truth, now they help in spreading the real truth without me asking them to.
In a nut shell, Its an inheritance. The children’s trust to loving, and brainwashed parents makes the download easy and foolproof.
As to why people continue to have religion despite the very obvious is because of fear of not being save of being burn in hell forever and ever. Its not about IQ or intelligence because religion is anchored on blind faith. I’ve seen very smart people and I mean very smart some of them family and friends who have an undying religious faith. They don’t see the truth because they don’t question they don’t want to. Even the very obvious contradictions in the bible are simply ignore and disposed off as divine mystery. That’s what "lies repeated" and fear can do, dumb down people steal their freedom.

[rgray222]

This is a very loaded question and there are many reasons why people have religion. Religions fill a psychological, emotional and physical need.

The bottom line is whatever gets you through the day and through your life is perfectly OK. If you have made a conscious decision to believe in a certain religion you should not be attacked or put down for it. If you choose to be an agnostic or atheist that should be perfectly OK with people of faith.

How you came to your religion or lack of it may be a fascinating story. It may even be offensive to some, it certainly has some historical significance but in the great scheme of things it is pretty meaningless.

There is an exception to this and that is, people that use religion to destroy humanity are neither religious nor atheist, they are psychopathological murders that hide behind the shield of religion.

[penhope]

Hello Bubu from The Philippines!

I have often wondered about this myself. I often feel confused about religion, perhaps because I come from a Jewish-Catholic background, sing in an Anglican choir, and have definite Buddhist leanings. I have come to the conclusion that human beings have an innate need to have some higher authority to look up to, someone we can beseech for help in times of need, someone who can protect us. Perhaps we are genetically coded for this. It does make you wonder, though, when you consider the "orderliness" of nature, if just maybe there is an all-powerful being out there who controls things.

[Jhonie]

I can only speak for myself. I no longer believe in religion. But as a child I was raised in the Mormon church but dumped that in my twenties. In my forties I started to question religion and realized it was not for me.

[Chip]

I was raised Catholic and have the same childhood experience as you. Many do as well.
I think religion is a control system. Jesus and all the greats spoke of things that were taken out of context and re-manipulated to create fear "of the end". It is this fear that keeps the religious from truly experiencing what Jesus and the many others wanted us to experience. It is up to the fearless to truly experience. Because I believe it's not about faith it's about experience. And all the things that they spoke of can be experienced.

[meeradas]

...it's about experience. And all the things that they spoke of can be experienced.

Yep. That's what it's all about.
And once you had one - yes, one tiny glimpse is fully sufficient,
any religion [=a certain set of organized rules to follow blindly] becomes what it always was: Superstition;
and thus, obsolete [which doesn't mean that there aren't folks who "stay true to their creed", even afterwards].
Once the experiencing sets in, that's it. One's awakened to the spiritual realm[s], and is lost to the mere book-following -
even if one keeps the 'religious garb' for a while longer [for whatever reasons]...

IMHO.

[Desrknelf]

Hello Bubu from The Philippines!

I have often wondered about this myself. I often feel confused about religion, perhaps because I come from a Jewish-Catholic background, sing in an Anglican choir, and have definite Buddhist leanings. I have come to the conclusion that human beings have an innate need to have some higher authority to look up to, someone we can beseech for help in times of need, someone who can protect us. Perhaps we are genetically coded for this. It does make you wonder, though, when you consider the "orderliness" of nature, if just maybe there is an all-powerful being out there who controls things.

No divine being has an innate need for a higher authority. You do not have an innate need for higher authority.

[Bubu]

This is a very loaded question and there are many reasons why people have religion. Religions fill a psychological, emotional and physical need.

The bottom line is whatever gets you through the day and through your life is perfectly OK. If you have made a conscious decision to believe in a certain religion you should not be attacked or put down for it. If you choose to be an agnostic or atheist that should be perfectly OK with people of faith.

How you came to your religion or lack of it may be a fascinating story. It may even be offensive to some, it certainly has some historical significance but in the great scheme of thing it is pretty meaningless.

There is an exception to this and that is, people that use religion to destroy humanity are neither religious nor atheist, they are psychopathological murders that hide behind the shield of religion.

As a young boy who live next to a church I went to church everyday for some years before heading to school. Now I see how religion wasted my time efforts and many peoples as well. I took petty in the devotees as I have known the experience. What I am trying to do is state my opinion maybe it will help others. If my awakening to this matter is good for me wouldn't it be nice to want others to have this as well. Should we consider stating an opinion an attack whenever it opposes someones belief. If this is the case then every opinion will be an attack since opinion differs.

[Bubu]

Hello Bubu from The Philippines!

I have often wondered about this myself. I often feel confused about religion, perhaps because I come from a Jewish-Catholic background, sing in an Anglican choir, and have definite Buddhist leanings. I have come to the conclusion that human beings have an innate need to have some higher authority to look up to, someone we can beseech for help in times of need, someone who can protect us. Perhaps we are genetically coded for this. It does make you wonder, though, when you consider the "orderliness" of nature, if just maybe there is an all-powerful being out there who controls things.

Hello penhope, from experience: the moment I shun religion that innate need to cry for help from someone also disappears together with the fear of being burn in hell.

[thunder24]

there is nothing wrong with opinion, when stated as such....
there is also much to gain from experience, and when one has stated it as such, to take heed...

brought up religious and am damn glad...because i know religion is but a step on the ladder... how can i discount where I came from, for I would not be where I am if it werent' for where I was...

what is wrong with having compassion for those that you saw where you were at one time? If intelligence means nothing, then always have a compassionate heart for those you converse with, always try to empathise from where they are coming from, and then you can real eyez the majority want the same thing regardless of color, sex, or creed... Just do you. ... and be cofident about it...

regardless of religion ... Jesus gave two commandments.... I see absolutly nothing wrong with either of them even as an atheist... remember an atheist "believes" in themself...peace

edit... i see kreagl in here . please jump in... where is rocky shorz

[meeradas]

Jesus gave two commandments....

... and these two are [actually one, totally grand, and] essentially rendering the rest of 'the book' to zero importance.

Thoroughly good stuff (once understood), regardless of creed.

And again, of course: IMHO.

[rgray222]

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As a young boy who live next to a church I went to church everyday for some years before heading to school. Now I see how religion wasted my time efforts and many peoples as well. I took petty in the devotees as I have known the experience. What I am trying to do is state my opinion maybe it will help others. Should we consider stating an opinion an attack whenever it opposes someones belief.

I think this is a very valid question and certainly worth exploring. Stating your opinion is not an attack even when it opposes someone's belief. There is no doubt in my mind that listening to an opposing view is one of the fastest and surest ways to grow spiritually.

Like you, I had a fairly strong religious upbringing, I never considered it a waste of time by any stretch of the imagination. I am thankful for it because it caused me to consider religion at an early age and solidify my feelings about religion. I also don't take petty on anyone that has strong religious beliefs. If they are getting what they want or need from religion that is their prerogative and they do it by choice. I am actually happy for them.

My point is, there are thousands of roads to travel on through life and all of them will get us to our final destination. Whatever a person's chosen road is the right one for them.

[thunder24]

Jesus gave two commandments....

... and these two are [actually one, totally grand, and] essentially rendering the rest of 'the book' to zero importance.

Thoroughly good stuff (once understood), regardless of creed.

And again, of course: IMHO.

one hundred percent....

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My point is, there are thousands of roads to travel on through life and all of them will get us to our final destination. Whatever a person's chosen road is the right one for them.

...again one hundred percent

[Bubu]

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My point is, there are thousands of roads to travel on through life and all of them will get us to our final destination. Whatever a person's chosen road is the right one for them.

yes to that and right now this is the road we are traveling.

cheers
PS

My main reason for wanting this discussion is because I wanted to post this on my facebook page so that family friends love ones will have a chance to listen to the opinion of people from around the world in regards, via Avalon forum. So thanks everyone for your participation in this discussion

[Jayren]

Because it was created for them to believe it.


I can’t speak for every race but in the Philippines here is the case.

white men, Spanish came to town and try to conquer through religion and fake goodwill our ancestors those who opposed where disposed. Our great great great grandparents were recruited to religion, Christianity, under gunpoint and promise of favors. Great great grandparents in tow going to church every Sunday and doing various religious practices. Over time religion gradually became real to the young minds, "Lies repeated equals truth". Religion then was handed to next generation and each time becoming more real. My parents are devoted catholic’s when I was young we normally pray the holy rosary every day, doing the never ending hail holy mary over and over like a broken record. I don’t blame my parents they have the best intention for us they been brainwash. I was brainwash thankfully I woke up. I don’t have to brainwash my children to free them from these lies all I have to do is tell the truth and they immediately saw the logic, the truth, now they help in spreading the real truth without me asking them to.
In a nut shell, Its an inheritance. The children’s trust to loving, and brainwashed parents makes the download easy and foolproof.
As to why people continue to have religion despite the very obvious is because of fear of not being save of being burn in hell forever and ever. Its not about IQ or intelligence because religion is anchored on blind faith. I’ve seen very smart people and I mean very smart some of them family and friends who have an undying religious faith. They don’t see the truth because they don’t question they don’t want to. Even the very obvious contradictions in the bible are simply ignore and disposed off as divine mystery. That’s what "lies repeated" and fear can do, dumb down people steal their freedom.

[Ikarusion]

when i was in cebu, i was very surprised to hear of santo niño, the holy boy. never heard of him, and i grew up catholic.
judging from all the paintings in the oldest church there (which actually display spaniards taking over with force etc.) it became quite clear to me, that this is an invented idol made in order to help the church gain power over the people there.

the paintings actually told me quite a disgusting story, even if many did so indirectly.
i wondered how that can just be on display there, to me it was very cheeky. like a slap to the face of all pinoys.

and then seeing how young and old stand in line to kiss the santo niños figure glass cage..

[kaon]

It is disturbing to hear about your experience from your "inheritance", but most of all your hatred towards same.

I am a Lutheran, but I don't disdain Catholics or even the atheists. Religion was not forced onto me as a child. It was not mandatory for me to go to church and I didn't attend much. In my case it took many years for the Holy Spirit to get through to me and I am far from being a perfect follower of Jesus, but I continue to grow in my spirituality. It has made me a better person, little by little.

In my opinion, you are having doubts about religion and turning towards negativity to releive your conscious. It may not work although you may find some like minded people here. I am sure you can also find some atheist forums to ease your pain, but I will pray for you and hope that you see the light. Once you rid yourself of the hate and fear, you can have a clear and open mind.

Good luck to you!

[ghostrider]

Earth humans would prefer illusions rather than face self responsibility for their thoughts, actions, feelings , and life ... It's easier to look to a higher power for answers,instead of looking in the mirror,and figure it out in your own mind... Every person is tiny piece of creation, capable of destruction and beauty... Old ETS came here long ago and used our weakness against us, we being less evolved took the easy road ... Knowledge is power, understanding is the path to wisdom ...

[TargeT]

This is a very loaded question and there are many reasons why people have religion. Religions fill a psychological, emotional and physical need.

The bottom line is whatever gets you through the day and through your life is perfectly OK.

I suppose it's ok if they never try and convert any one, ever.

It's "ok" sort of like having a disease is "ok". I'm perfectly fine knowing people that have Hepatitis; but I don't want them preparing food for me, or any physical contact..

I understand "religious tolerance" from the guilt trip point of view (just because people were brutally oppressed for their flavor of mental confusion we should allow them to do almost what ever they want (apparently)).

If someone want's to believe in purple fairies causing all the good in the world, or aliens that will save us, or that there is some angry old guy in the clouds that doesn't want you to masturbate; that's not really "fine" is it?

I won't accept self delusion as "ok" any more than I would accept other voluntary self destructive actions.

saying "religion is ok as long as it gets you through the day" is like saying it's "ok" for an alcoholic to drink themselves to happiness. Self medication (be it religion, drugs, or other form of escapism) is indicative of a problem, of a "hole" that needs to be filled; allowing a "symptom" treatment as the final step is wrong, cure the problem, don't just treat the symptom.

Tolerance of ridiculousness like religion for FEAR of backlash is another thing I won't stand for, this is a subtle form of "thought police" and in it's extreme it becomes the "safe zones" or other PC crap that we see today in the news.


I do NOT think it's ok for people to concretely believe in fairies, or alien saviors, or angry masturbation fearing old men in clouds; especially not if it causes them to waste their precious time on this wonderful and amazing world we inhabit.

Mind traps ARE real and religions are one of them (and there are many.. Patriotism, Nationalism... hell any "ism" honestly).

I will not idly stand by and "accept" this as ok, I also will not force this concept on anyone.

I WILL chase you off my property if you come over and try to push religion on my children (I've already had to do this several times, the last time the group called child protective services on us out of spite... THAT is what "religion" (sooner or later) leads to: egoistic behavior, Judgement & condemnation.


Now I see how religion wasted my time efforts and many peoples as well.

it may be hard to see, but this is one of the worst things that can happen in our lives; though at least you learned from the situation and gained something from it (understanding of religion and the nature of religions)

[Deega]

I think that people get into religion because they don't have enough faith in themselves. They believe that religion will bring them safety, peace, harmony, even heaven after death, and this is strong, it even have them accept many things even control over their family life. So after a while of control, usually, people come out of it. So I guess it has it uses in our World today, but tomorrow will be completely different!

[Bubu]

It is disturbing to hear about your experience from your "inheritance", but most of all your hatred towards same.

I am a Lutheran, but I don't disdain Catholics or even the atheists. Religion was not forced onto me as a child. It was not mandatory for me to go to church and I didn't attend much. In my case it took many years for the Holy Spirit to get through to me and I am far from being a perfect follower of Jesus, but I continue to grow in my spirituality. It has made me a better person, little by little.

In my opinion, you are having doubts about religion and turning towards negativity to releive your conscious. It may not work although you may find some like minded people here. I am sure you can also find some atheist forums to ease your pain, but I will pray for you and hope that you see the light. Once you rid yourself of the hate and fear, you can have a clear and open mind.

Good luck to you!

much the same as me it was never force on me and also the same its inheritance you just follow your parents footprints. The difference is that I had the chance to examine and the courage to go the opposite.
I have zero doubts about religion I am sure 100% its a form of control. Much of the pain h of being dumb/fooled is already gone. What motivate me in doing what Im doing in regards is to help evolve the collective for better. There maybe some disgust from time to time though Im trying not to have it but not hatred of religion its disgust of seeing people being fooled and used. There is a popular saying "mind your own business" in the collective sense though it does not apply. And the sad part of it most people do not see the collective part how it affect the individual much more than the individual affect itself perhaps or maybe on the same scale.

[moekatz]

Do we give a pass to folks who are religious based on a concept of tolerance? I've come to think that we all need to openly question the religious person when the time arises. Religious beliefs do great damage...unthinking, non questioning folks need the courtesy of our attention and honest inquiry. Religion is linked directly to war mongering and that is not a peaceful combination.

[Bubu]

Tolerance of ridiculousness like religion for FEAR of backlash is another thing I won't stand for, this is a subtle form of "thought police" and in it's extreme it becomes the "safe zones" or other PC crap that we see today in the news.

yes the dreaded thought police takes time before I muster the courage pass it. But I have a son who seemed to be not bothered by it. going against the tide like naturally and that the best part of it is he is very popular to all sort of people young old man woman. So it can be done I am trying to learn from him.

[penhope]

We may have a divine spark, but we are not yet completely divine. If we were divine, we would not die.

[TrumanCash]

As I discovered from working with other abductees and from my own past life contact experiences, religions were created by ETs masquerading as "gods" who demanded to be worshipped and obeyed.

The ETs that are most obvious were the human-looking, bearded ETs in recorded history that authors such as Zecharia Sitchin, et al, have researched. Other ET groups are also involved such as the Mantids and to a lesser degree Grays. Reptilians also play a part in this grand deception. They also established secret societies.

The purpose in this extremely elaborate deception is to manipulate mankind, cause wars and chaos and keep mankind in spiritual darkness--to keep us from discovering the real truth about what is really going on.

I cover this subject in a lot more detail in THE EYE OF RA. However, other people have read about this in top secret documents. Bob Lazar reported reading that ETs created religions in top secret documents. Also, Bill Cooper said that he read that ETs created religions and secret societies in top secret documents.

TLC

[Shannon]

As I discovered from working with other abductees and from my own past life contact experiences, religions were created by ETs masquerading as "gods" who demanded to be worshipped and obeyed.

The ETs that are most obvious were the human-looking, bearded ETs in recorded history that authors such as Zecharia Sitchin, et al, have researched. Other ET groups are also involved such as the Mantids and to a lesser degree Grays. Reptilians also play a part in this grand deception. They also established secret societies.

The purpose in this extremely elaborate deception is to manipulate mankind, cause wars and chaos and keep mankind in spiritual darkness--to keep us from discovering the real truth about what is really going on.

I cover this subject in a lot more detail in THE EYE OF RA. However, other people have read about this in top secret documents. Bob Lazar reported reading that ETs created religions in top secret documents. Also, Bill Cooper said that he read that ETs created religions and secret societies in top secret documents.

TLC

Add mr x who bill and Kerry interviewed. He saw some documentation that confirms the above as well.

:)

[sigma6]

wow hot thread Bubu and as a Filipino good for you... that is one vice grip of mentality they have imposed on the your culture... I think it is good to hear someone (like yourself) speak out and question it... but it is not a completely fake book, it is just being "sold" in a completely false fashion... we are not being told the truth of what it really is... All the university professors of religion know the real story, but depending on their political position either support the lie (based on some interpretation of higher good '; o and others like Bart Erhman are trying to break that stranglehold and get us to see the bigger picture... Still others are trying to show the clearly cryptic and hidden meanings that were purposely incorporated into it... (a true awakening?)

Personally I separate the institution (Roman Vatican as self imposed authority and essentially literally replacing Jesus with themselves... Like who do they think they are?! ... (oh I just answered that!)) from the philosophy and knowledge that is in the book itself...

As for the history, that requires a study of 'interpretation'... there are clear and unmistakable hidden elements to it... i.e. we should start treating it for what it is, and not what we are told we are supposed to see... never give up your reason and logic because a higher authority told you it's for your good... that, by definition, can only be a lie... in fact this principle (of discernment) is a Bible based truism and principle... a perfect example of how people are criticizing the false teachings (dogma) and missing the real content of the book itself...

All because of this bizarre interpretation that the Bible is clear and unequivocal because it was written by the influence of God (that statement alone is not to be taken literally!) it is not easy to understand and is not the only ultimate source of truth... it is not clear, it has many interpretations (largely because of the agendas of different institutions) it is not the only ultimate source of truth, but it has to the potential to be one way to it... Jesus might not be the only way to salvation, but he is surely one way... (if you understand the hidden meaning again...)

It's all in how you interpret it... this might sound flaky, but the "mystery" has to be worked on, wrestled with, dug into, i.e. analyzed, dissected, reasoned out... It has the potential to be a great exercise tool for the mind (in this I think the Jews have it right... they treat it like philosophy... and discuss and argue interpretation all day long, because they see it for what it is... philosophy... and this is definitely one of the biggest things missing in man's world today... and the cause of so much misinformation, suffering, misunderstanding...

i.e. a lack of a universally accepted truth that establishes man's true nature and place in the universe.

The idea that we have to be lied to because the world "would collapse into chaos" if we were told the truth has always been a complete load of sh** in my opinion... a Satanic lie (turn it around 180 degrees to see the hidden truth... i.e. they are using it to CREATE chaos, a chaos they control...) The only thing that would collapse are these control systems of war mongering, pederast, satan worshipping, money managing, organized crime syndicates, that use institutionalized "religion" to manipulate the uneducated (...in philosophy in particular...) masses... and the fault has been ours... because we never picked up the book ourselves... just like we never picked up the highway traffic act, or any book larger then 1000 pages, and maybe it was the fault of our teachers and the school system, which ultimately becomes the fault of the common people, because they (we?) had (and still have... ) the power to make these changes...

philosophy is the first knowledge, and always will be, it is at the root of all other knowledge, the legal system, religious systems, political systems... without philosophical understanding there is no revelation... and of course what is the knottiest, most gnarled and twisted bodies of knowledge on the planet... philosophy, religion and politics... is it any wonder?

there is a war on, and it is for our hearts and minds.... (Alex Jones has got that title nailed... infowars.com)

Ephesians 6:12 KJV
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The "Bible" (or any philosophy) was never meant to be taken over and taught by a singular (fascist) institution. That was what the Romans did, and put Jesus' name on it, his (supposed) birth date to set a new era and took on the responsibility (trust obligation) to manage it all... and this the world we have today as a result... a world of corruption managing a philosophy of truth.... how much more dysfunctional could it be?...


Law, science, politics do not create philosophy... it is philosophy that creates these ideologies instead...

man cannot live on bread alone...
there is nothing new under the sun...

[Sith73]

I was raised a Roman Catholic when I was growing up and was too young to understand, but I questioned everything which really bothered family and friends who where connected to the church. I can remember my first time going to church with my parents and grand parents and didn't understand why we had to get on our knees to pray to a God and those collection baskets where they wanted your money. Something just didn't add up in my mind. At this time in my my life I was very connected to nature and very grounded to the Earth and the answers started to surface slowly. I was forced to go to Sunday School and i didn't agree with what was being put out by the teachers. I questioned and was punished because of that to where my mom got involved and I was kicked out of Sunday School. I was also forced to go to confession and when I was in there with the priest he asked me all sorts of questions and I asked him "who do you serve"? Again I caused problems and the priest thought I had a demon in me...lol I just said I'm spirit nobody controls me. No bible nor priest will ever control me. My grandparents where very upset with me and my mom accepted my beliefs but my step dad though there was something wrong with me so my parents split up because I caused problems. My beliefs caused problems for those around me. Just wild to believe even to this day how my beliefs caused such havoc. Then around the age of 13 is when I had my out of body experience and it changed me forever. Made me more spiritual, made me whom I am today. Dont get me wrong I think there are some dam good people connected to the church and they are trying to help others which is very noble, but thats be real here, I know and alot of you know the true reason about religion and me personally I will never have anything to do with it. Religions have divided people, caused wars,rape and mass killing and for what.......My God is better than yours...... I respect everybody beliefs no matter what it is but just don't force it onto me. Forcing is just wrong.

Religion is just that a belief system and until you fully understand what you truly are Religions will keep controlling people. They are just not needed........................ :wizard:

[penhope]

I find it interesting that most world religions accept the fact that there are alien intelligences out there.

I did an on-line course, Astrobiology and the Search for Extraterrestrial Life, with Coursera through the University of Edinburgh, which I believe is still running, if anyone is interested. In the last module, Extraterrestrial Intelligence-The Social Dimension, Prof. Charles Cockell quoted from the Koran: "And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and of whatever living creatures He has spread forth in both." So it would appear that Islam, for one, does not have a problem with alien intelligence. He had much else to say about the subject, and the possibility of aliens being religious (or not).

Neither does the Anglican Church have a problem. At every Sunday service they recite the Apostles' Creed, which begins: "We believe in one God, the Father, the almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.......". The present Pope has also openly admitted to believing in extraterrestrial life.

In the Millennial Hospitality series, Charles Hall, who is a devout Catholic, spoke about a time when he was shown to a group of new Tall White arrivals from their home planet. One of their number who had lived on Earth for years, known as The Teacher, explained to these new arrivals that Charles' God would defend him if any of them tried to harm him. And they had no problem accepting that concept of a God rushing to his defence. In actual fact they were terrified of him because that was the first time they had seen a human.

[Foxie Loxie]

You are RIGHT ON! ;-) Childhood brainwashing is the key in ANY belief system. From my own personal experience, I can definitely say it ruined my entire life. I was so encouraged to begin finding out what is REALLY going on in this world & others, thanks to Project Camelot & Project Avalon.