Adjusting in life when things start to fall away

[Skyhaven]

Once I cared about things society wanted me to care about but now I just don't, they have tried to get me back on their tracks, and I do move along with them just to get by, but that's about it. The spell of fear and guilt seems to be broken.

I just want to be, let every one else run the rat race, and if that means I don't fit in anymore, so be it!

[greybeard]

There is a balance--the extreme being, people pleasing at a cost to ones own self.
However compassion remains --love --and sometimes tough love remains--in spite of others.

The is a French expression--"Hell is the other"

In duality that may well be partly true--"heaven" can also come through the other in many forms.

Nothing is lost--all is well--its just a learning curve.

Things/people --the not so necessary just falls away when one gets serious on the pathless path.
No need to try to sort one life by deciding this I need or dont need--its just happens.
Its all part of acceptance of what is.
All the necessary just appears all by itself--doors open but you have to walk through.
Doors close, others move on and you just have to let that be.

That my experience.

I liked the Film "Meet Joe Black" --one of the lines---the inevitable---Death and taxes.
Some things do seem inevitable--but are they?

Chris

[Skyhaven]

There is a balance--the extreme being, people pleasing at a cost to ones own self.
However compassion remains --love --and sometimes tough love remains--in spite of others.

The is a French expression--"Hell is the other"

In duality that may well be partly true--"heaven" can also come through the other in many forms.

Nothing is lost--all is well--its just a learning curve.

Things/people --the not so necessary just falls away when one gets serious on the pathless path.
No need to try to sort one life by deciding this I need or dont need--its just happens.
Its all part of acceptance of what is.
All the necessary just appears all by itself--doors open but you have to walk through.
Doors close, others move on and you just have to let that be.

That my experience.

I liked the Film "Meet Joe Black" --one of the lines---the inevitable---Death and taxes.
Some things do seem inevitable--but are they?

Chris

No to my experience thus far nothing is really inevitable, I have managed to discover a lot of holes in the matrix we call society, but reality can be rough though, especially when dealing with other human beings and their situations.

For instance I am still good friends with some one I know from college, but the relationship is wearing thin, because our paths are diverging. He's just recently become a father and is hooked on a mortgage and a stressing job, he's having a very hard time realising he can 't get out of this situation, at least not without being terribly irresponsible. Now there is just an awkward space between us, because I have spoken to him about it that I don't want to walk that path, I know it's a bit blunt to actually say this in his face, but I felt pressured because I sensed a little disapproval of me opting out of having a career.

Anyway I am not aligning with a lot of people who were in my life for a long time, and these awkward situations just keep popping up...

[Flash]

You might be learning detachment, he, your friend, might be learning love and sharing with his child and family. Each one his Learning.

By the way, things always fall away, change being the only constant it seems. Adjustment is therefore a steady necessity.



There is a balance--the extreme being, people pleasing at a cost to ones own self.
However compassion remains --love --and sometimes tough love remains--in spite of others.

The is a French expression--"Hell is the other"

In duality that may well be partly true--"heaven" can also come through the other in many forms.

Nothing is lost--all is well--its just a learning curve.

Things/people --the not so necessary just falls away when one gets serious on the pathless path.
No need to try to sort one life by deciding this I need or dont need--its just happens.
Its all part of acceptance of what is.
All the necessary just appears all by itself--doors open but you have to walk through.
Doors close, others move on and you just have to let that be.

That my experience.

I liked the Film "Meet Joe Black" --one of the lines---the inevitable---Death and taxes.
Some things do seem inevitable--but are they?

Chris

No to my experience thus far nothing is really inevitable, I have managed to discover a lot of holes in the matrix we call society, but reality can be rough though, especially when dealing with other human beings and their situations.

For instance I am still good friends with some one I know from college, but the relationship is wearing thin, because our paths are diverging. He's just recently become a father and is hooked on a mortgage and a stressing job, he's having a very hard time realising he can 't get out of this situation, at least not without being terribly irresponsible. Now there is just an awkward space between us, because I have spoken to him about it that I don't want to walk that path, I know it's a bit blunt to actually say this in his face, but I felt pressured because I sensed a little disapproval of me opting out of having a career.

Anyway I am not aligning with a lot of people who were in my life for a long time, and these awkward situations just keep popping up...

[Skyhaven]

You might be learning detachment, he, your friend, might be learning love and sharing with his child and family. Each one his Learning.

By the way, things always fall away, change being the only constant it seems. Adjustment is therefore a steady necessity.



There is a balance--the extreme being, people pleasing at a cost to ones own self.
However compassion remains --love --and sometimes tough love remains--in spite of others.

The is a French expression--"Hell is the other"

In duality that may well be partly true--"heaven" can also come through the other in many forms.

Nothing is lost--all is well--its just a learning curve.

Things/people --the not so necessary just falls away when one gets serious on the pathless path.
No need to try to sort one life by deciding this I need or dont need--its just happens.
Its all part of acceptance of what is.
All the necessary just appears all by itself--doors open but you have to walk through.
Doors close, others move on and you just have to let that be.

That my experience.

I liked the Film "Meet Joe Black" --one of the lines---the inevitable---Death and taxes.
Some things do seem inevitable--but are they?

Chris

No to my experience thus far nothing is really inevitable, I have managed to discover a lot of holes in the matrix we call society, but reality can be rough though, especially when dealing with other human beings and their situations.

For instance I am still good friends with some one I know from college, but the relationship is wearing thin, because our paths are diverging. He's just recently become a father and is hooked on a mortgage and a stressing job, he's having a very hard time realising he can 't get out of this situation, at least not without being terribly irresponsible. Now there is just an awkward space between us, because I have spoken to him about it that I don't want to walk that path, I know it's a bit blunt to actually say this in his face, but I felt pressured because I sensed a little disapproval of me opting out of having a career.

Anyway I am not aligning with a lot of people who were in my life for a long time, and these awkward situations just keep popping up...

Yes I know, the last thing I want to do is interfere with other people's paths, but when others question mine because they don't get it, I decided I'm just going to tell it how it is, and not make things anymore mysterious by not explaining my chosen path

[Guish]

For instance I am still good friends with some one I know from college, but the relationship is wearing thin, because our paths are diverging. He's just recently become a father and is hooked on a mortgage and a stressing job, he's having a very hard time realising he can 't get out of this situation, at least not without being terribly irresponsible. Now there is just an awkward space between us, because I have spoken to him about it that I don't want to walk that path, I know it's a bit blunt to actually say this in his face, but I felt pressured because I sensed a little disapproval of me opting out of having a career.

Anyway I am not aligning with a lot of people who were in my life for a long time, and these awkward situations just keep popping up...

To create space for new things, one has to empty old things. I have lost a lot as well. People no longer invite me for a drink because I do not drink and I'm usually a boring person. Not interested in most things others care about except probably Football. Yet, there's great calmness being who I am.

[Skyhaven]

For instance I am still good friends with some one I know from college, but the relationship is wearing thin, because our paths are diverging. He's just recently become a father and is hooked on a mortgage and a stressing job, he's having a very hard time realising he can 't get out of this situation, at least not without being terribly irresponsible. Now there is just an awkward space between us, because I have spoken to him about it that I don't want to walk that path, I know it's a bit blunt to actually say this in his face, but I felt pressured because I sensed a little disapproval of me opting out of having a career.

Anyway I am not aligning with a lot of people who were in my life for a long time, and these awkward situations just keep popping up...

To create space for new things, one has to empty old things. I have lost a lot as well. People no longer invite me for a drink because I do not drink and I'm usually a boring person. Not interested in most things others care about except probably Football. Yet, there's great calmness being who I am.

I am calm too, very calm, a little too calm for the liking of many, I don't talk much in busy social situations , and because I don't talk much, everything I do say hits like a bomb, especially when being pressured into talking about something that has implications on other's lives too.

[Lifebringer]

Pretty much. When it comes time for us to make a difference, we do, but the more we see and hear of the revealings/veil lifting from deceitful actions of those who worship greed, the more we feel we must take a minute to "digest it." Its that thought after digestion, or thoughts after it, that must be carefully thought through, before speaking. Not because of what one thinks others will think, but a clean thought on the problems with facts, that will bring forth the answers. The secrecy of this has kept discussion of these things in small groups of manipulators.

But we're getting there. Yes, a quiet space to think, live and solve is necessary. Treat it like a satellite, when it's too negative, but never give up. The answ:thumbsup:er is out there, and it won't be found until all who matter in the issue are discussed. Pieces of the whole puzzle of what did this to us, is just around the corner. But will humanity be able to face it? The heart and mind will be read and balances used to move forward. JMO.
No harm in pacing ourselves.

[Guish]

For instance I am still good friends with some one I know from college, but the relationship is wearing thin, because our paths are diverging. He's just recently become a father and is hooked on a mortgage and a stressing job, he's having a very hard time realising he can 't get out of this situation, at least not without being terribly irresponsible. Now there is just an awkward space between us, because I have spoken to him about it that I don't want to walk that path, I know it's a bit blunt to actually say this in his face, but I felt pressured because I sensed a little disapproval of me opting out of having a career.

Anyway I am not aligning with a lot of people who were in my life for a long time, and these awkward situations just keep popping up...

To create space for new things, one has to empty old things. I have lost a lot as well. People no longer invite me for a drink because I do not drink and I'm usually a boring person. Not interested in most things others care about except probably Football. Yet, there's great calmness being who I am.

I am calm too, very calm, a little too calm for the liking of many, I don't talk much in busy social situations , and because I don't talk much, everything I do say hits like a bomb, especially when being pressured into talking about something that has implications on other's lives too.


It's never easy. No one said it was going to be an easy ride. Isn't it ?

[Skyhaven]

The path of least resistance would be, not to react at all when being pressured to get real... So it's down to empathy versus honesty which one is more important, I am going for honesty...

[greybeard]

Well we asked for it did we not!!!---smiling ruefully.

Love Chris

[Felicity Collins]

Graybeard is right, Love is the answer albeit sometimes Love means having to walk away and letting others live their own reality. No matter what you call it, enlightenment, waking up..or just learning some hard truths its not easy, but I have also learned there are also unexpected joys if you just let them happen. Be happy in the fact that your eyes are open. Your pains are not the pains of a slave..but more like *growing pains* Like growing pains this too shall pass :)
Peace

[WhiteLove]

There is a balance--the extreme being, people pleasing at a cost to ones own self.
However compassion remains --love --and sometimes tough love remains--in spite of others.

The is a French expression--"Hell is the other"

In duality that may well be partly true--"heaven" can also come through the other in many forms.

Nothing is lost--all is well--its just a learning curve.

Things/people --the not so necessary just falls away when one gets serious on the pathless path.
No need to try to sort one life by deciding this I need or dont need--its just happens.
Its all part of acceptance of what is.
All the necessary just appears all by itself--doors open but you have to walk through.
Doors close, others move on and you just have to let that be.

That my experience.

I liked the Film "Meet Joe Black" --one of the lines---the inevitable---Death and taxes.
Some things do seem inevitable--but are they?

Chris

No to my experience thus far nothing is really inevitable, I have managed to discover a lot of holes in the matrix we call society, but reality can be rough though, especially when dealing with other human beings and their situations.

For instance I am still good friends with some one I know from college, but the relationship is wearing thin, because our paths are diverging. He's just recently become a father and is hooked on a mortgage and a stressing job, he's having a very hard time realising he can 't get out of this situation, at least not without being terribly irresponsible. Now there is just an awkward space between us, because I have spoken to him about it that I don't want to walk that path, I know it's a bit blunt to actually say this in his face, but I felt pressured because I sensed a little disapproval of me opting out of having a career.

Anyway I am not aligning with a lot of people who were in my life for a long time, and these awkward situations just keep popping up...

If you read my "Love unconditionally" thread you should be able to extract from it the knowledge that to achieve the ultimate experience is a process towards a state of being and that state of being is unconditional love, which equals to love God unconditionally. Even having infinite physical resources and successes would only translate into a dust of joy compared to the joy I am talking about. So yes, the rat race, the conditioning, the control has nothing to do with real joy. What you must think of for a while when you read this post is the significance of what I'm reveiling to you. If you marginalize the societal chaos, rat race etc and focus on being unconditional love like Christ, you have just made the best investment you will ever make. Think also of what true success should be defined as. I define it like being in unconditional love at every moment in life, so that at the moment of death when the witness in you shows your life journey in the light of unconditional love, it feels like a moment of spiritual victory having gone through this lifetime.

[Guish]

The path of least resistance would be, not to react at all when being pressured to get real... So it's down to empathy versus honesty which one is more important, I am going for honesty...
There's no need to prove anything. In my experience, you share only with those who can understand. Helping someone who tries to shoot you down has been a spiritual transformation for me. A gift sent from the sky to uplift me. I have always been blunt and harsh having grown as a metalhead. I remember offering my ex flowers when she said she wanted to break off and I totally erased her after that...Honesty is a major force.

[Skyhaven]

Not trying to prove anything guish, let's leave it at 'adjusting' to letting things be, and not taking control, even if that means growing apart.

[Skyhaven]

There is a balance--the extreme being, people pleasing at a cost to ones own self.
However compassion remains --love --and sometimes tough love remains--in spite of others.

The is a French expression--"Hell is the other"

In duality that may well be partly true--"heaven" can also come through the other in many forms.

Nothing is lost--all is well--its just a learning curve.

Things/people --the not so necessary just falls away when one gets serious on the pathless path.
No need to try to sort one life by deciding this I need or dont need--its just happens.
Its all part of acceptance of what is.
All the necessary just appears all by itself--doors open but you have to walk through.
Doors close, others move on and you just have to let that be.

That my experience.

I liked the Film "Meet Joe Black" --one of the lines---the inevitable---Death and taxes.
Some things do seem inevitable--but are they?

Chris

No to my experience thus far nothing is really inevitable, I have managed to discover a lot of holes in the matrix we call society, but reality can be rough though, especially when dealing with other human beings and their situations.

For instance I am still good friends with some one I know from college, but the relationship is wearing thin, because our paths are diverging. He's just recently become a father and is hooked on a mortgage and a stressing job, he's having a very hard time realising he can 't get out of this situation, at least not without being terribly irresponsible. Now there is just an awkward space between us, because I have spoken to him about it that I don't want to walk that path, I know it's a bit blunt to actually say this in his face, but I felt pressured because I sensed a little disapproval of me opting out of having a career.

Anyway I am not aligning with a lot of people who were in my life for a long time, and these awkward situations just keep popping up...

If you read my "Love unconditionally" thread you should be able to extract from it the knowledge that to achieve the ultimate experience is a process towards a state of being and that state of being is unconditional love, which equals to love God unconditionally. Even having infinite physical resources and successes would only translate into a dust of joy compared to the joy I am talking about. So yes, the rat race, the conditioning, the control has nothing to do with real joy. What you must think of for a while when you read this post is the significance of what I'm reveiling to you. If you marginalize the societal chaos, rat race etc and focus on being unconditional love like Christ, you have just made the best investment you will ever make. Think also of what true success should be defined as. I define it like being in unconditional love at every moment in life, so that at the moment of death when the witness in you shows your life journey in the light of unconditional love, it feels like a moment of spiritual victory having gone through this lifetime.

Yes that sounds wonderful WhiteLove, unconditional love may seem like the answer to everything, and it probably is, but we're not all incarnated Christs, we all need some work, and that's probably why we are living through these things in the first place.

[moekatz]

I've come to appreciate numerology's personal year concept. The cycle runs 9 years. On the 9th year, one thoughtfully releases ties to those elements of life that were carried along for the prior 9 years. Cleansing one's life in the 9th year allows for a new beginning on the 1st year with unencumbered spirit and drive. It seems that our shoulders just get bent over with the weight of carrying so much baggage (people, beliefs etc) from the prior 9 years. Being in a 9th year myself, I can appreciate the determination and sometimes sorrow that is required to clear out my life so that I can begin again. When we let loose of anchors carried for 9 years it can leave us dizzy and unsure but this is where HOPE comes to the rescue.

[Michelle Marie]

"Death and taxes.
Some things do seem inevitable--but are they?"

NO!

"Seem" is the projection of deception...create "appearances" and see who will fall for it. Not those attuned to Truth.

DEATH: Illusion
TAXES: Pay a private corporation for a corporate war-based economy -- NO THANKS!!

GENIUS: Yes. Solutions exist. This is what we are moving toward. NO DECEPTION -- GENIUS SOLUTIONS

Take heart...we are getting there.

Love,
Michelle Marie

[Michelle Marie]

I think that the pioneers that are entering the new paradigm can expect to not be understood. I've had to come to terms with this myself.

Yes, from their standpoint, I'm weird. It's because I'm different. I don't follow the norm. I follow my heart.

I've come to ignore and not defend my reasons for my choices, more and more, but not totally. By explaining that my life is perfect for me, then sometimes the judgment is diminished. If not, oh well. I'm not hurting anybody. Hopefully, I'm helping, just like you are...to pave the way into a higher state of being.

And you are right, WhiteLove. It's all based in Unconditional Love. BEing it is different than knowing about it or talking about it. You learn to "take it in the shorts" and just show up in the higher state of being. Forgive instantly. Understand. Have compassion. Love anyway. It's a process. We are becoming masters together.

This change of being sounds like a graduation to me, Skyhaven. Out of the rat race. So wise...CONGRATULATIONS!!!

You are not alone. We are with you and support you in LOVE! :heart:

Lots of :heart:
Michelle Marie

[Bubu]

Once I cared about things society wanted me to care about but now I just don't, they have tried to get me back on their tracks, and I do move along with them just to get by, but that's about it. The spell of fear and guilt seems to be broken.

I just want to be, let every one else run the rat race, and if that means I don't fit in anymore, so be it!

Yes so be it, what will be will be, But nothing could be nicer than to be completely unfit to the unreal world. where nobody give a heck to take a glance at me, I dont have to look good dont have to prove anything. Were getting there.

[Skyhaven]

I think that the pioneers that are entering the new paradigm can expect to not be understood. I've had to come to terms with this myself.

Yes, from their standpoint, I'm weird. It's because I'm different. I don't follow the norm. I follow my heart.

I've come to ignore and not defend my reasons for my choices, more and more, but not totally. By explaining that my life is perfect for me, then sometimes the judgment is diminished. If not, oh well. I'm not hurting anybody. Hopefully, I'm helping, just like you are...to pave the way into a higher state of being.

And you are right, WhiteLove. It's all based in Unconditional Love. BEing it is different than knowing about it or talking about it. You learn to "take it in the shorts" and just show up in the higher state of being. Forgive instantly. Understand. Have compassion. Love anyway. It's a process. We are becoming masters together.

This change of being sounds like a graduation to me, Skyhaven. Out of the rat race. So wise...CONGRATULATIONS!!!

You are not alone. We are with you and support you in LOVE! :heart:

Lots of :heart:
Michelle Marie


I think that is what unconditional love is about; realising that any state of being is not better or more valuable than a perceived lower or higher state of being. Simply because we are all growing all the time and we all hold the same potential. Every perspective in this process of evolution is just as valuable as a perceived higher perspective. :heart:

[Skyhaven]

Once I cared about things society wanted me to care about but now I just don't, they have tried to get me back on their tracks, and I do move along with them just to get by, but that's about it. The spell of fear and guilt seems to be broken.

I just want to be, let every one else run the rat race, and if that means I don't fit in anymore, so be it!

Yes so be it, what will be will be, But nothing could be nicer than to be completely unfit to the unreal world. where nobody give a heck to take a glance at me, I dont have to look good dont have to prove anything. Were getting there.

Great expression, love it!

This is one of my favorites:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f101/BeyondtheOsiris/2B436E67-3800-4E30-BD4C-4195165E6D91_zpsgpnfjnhn.jpg

[Skyhaven]

I've come to appreciate numerology's personal year concept. The cycle runs 9 years. On the 9th year, one thoughtfully releases ties to those elements of life that were carried along for the prior 9 years. Cleansing one's life in the 9th year allows for a new beginning on the 1st year with unencumbered spirit and drive. It seems that our shoulders just get bent over with the weight of carrying so much baggage (people, beliefs etc) from the prior 9 years. Being in a 9th year myself, I can appreciate the determination and sometimes sorrow that is required to clear out my life so that I can begin again. When we let loose of anchors carried for 9 years it can leave us dizzy and unsure but this is where HOPE comes to the rescue.

Not familiar with this concept, I am very interested in numerology though.

For me a very significant number in terms of long term experience is number 13. I,ve been dealing with periods of severe depression since the age of fifteen for over thirteen years, and then it just ended, while the pattern up to then was that it was increasingly getting worse. So this left me fascinated with thirteen, later on I found this bit of text on the web describing number 13.

The Number 13 is a karmic number and is the number of upheaval so that new ground can be broken. The number 13 has great power. If this power is used for selfish purposes, it will bring destruction of the self, and in turn, this will bring dis-ease and illnesses. Adapting to change gracefully will bring out the strength of the 13 vibration, and decrease any potential for the negative.

[Asyloth]

Most people reeding these lines would say it is kind of pathetic.
I think that what most people call pathetic is just an overflow of a particular feeling (of any kind).

I do understand what you're saying very well, as I have been incredibly reluctant to go with the system as it is structured today.

But then I realized, after fighting all my worth against it, what else can I do?

I have always thought that one single man could change the world, and I still believe it today, but what if most people don't really want the world to change in any way?

Do we have the right to force them? Just because we know better? (And we surely do know better)

So I am now starting to fall for the "rat race" as you are calling it, trying to be the top dog where I work so I can be rewarded best out of it.

Investing my money into specialized banks so I can get even more money out of money.

Even thought I've known for a long time that life really isn't about money at all, but still the world is as such today, and that I understand that absolutely not conforming to it would probably mean my own death since without money you're more or less bound to nothing in this world.

On that you'd probably say "but are you really meant to be bound to anything"? I could have said it myself.

That would be an extreme and I believe that extremes are always bad no matter the situation. So I try to find an equilibrium.

Between living my life knowing the importance of spiritual evolution (growth) and yet still playing the game along with the others (and being almost too good at it, thanks to all the things I've learned).

[Guish]

Not trying to prove anything guish, let's leave it at 'adjusting' to letting things be, and not taking control, even if that means growing apart.

The only thing you can control is your mind. We can't hold on to things that change.

[Skyhaven]

Asyloth,


Not pathetic at all, I considered the exact same things, and I have trying to use my talents too in effort to be 'on top'. But I found that the world acts like a mirror. When you already deep down feel the money game isn't the way to go, and choose to go against that because the majority out there are doing it seemingly with some degree of success, then the world is going to reflect back to you the dis-alignment you feel deep down, and that means resistance.

You see many out there who are successful doing the money game or rat race, didn't have that feeling deep down that tells them it is not the right way to go, so they don't face resistance going down that road, eventually though when they are at their peak of success they learn the hard way, it is not the way to go.

But then the next time in an another life maybe when they are tempted again to enter the money game, they too have this deep down feeling inside that it's not the way to go, just like you have now, if they proceed to go on that path again they too will face immediate resistance, in reality this is a reflection to their sub conscious self.

I believe the world is like a multi faceted stone, it has experiences for everyone at any level, but it does make it clear when you have been somewhere before. At least this is my believe.

[Guish]

The world needs true leaders. There's nothing wrong in earning money and having a comfortable life. Getting attached to money would drift oneself from the true human nature which is full of compassion. No one would trust someone who thinks only about oneself. In every working place, there's a need for supportive, collaborative and "human" employees. Being true to oneself is not about living as a hermit but staying true to oneself as the road gets harder. In my experience, doors open on their own once one stays true to oneself. The world does reflect your self. That's why it's important to look at one's thoughts carefully and choose the constructive ones.

[Skyhaven]

Not trying to prove anything guish, let's leave it at 'adjusting' to letting things be, and not taking control, even if that means growing apart.

The only thing you can control is your mind. We can't hold on to things that change.

Not sure if one can even really control the mind, I personally like to only identify with the role of watcher, or awareness, the rest I want to give up to a higher power, the higher self, or whatever one may call it.

[Guish]

Not trying to prove anything guish, let's leave it at 'adjusting' to letting things be, and not taking control, even if that means growing apart.

The only thing you can control is your mind. We can't hold on to things that change.

Not sure if one can even really control their mind, I personally like to only identify with the role of watcher, or awareness, the rest I want to give up to a higher power, the higher self, or whatever one may call it.

If you can choose your thoughts, you're already taming the beast, Brother. The higher self is you....

[Skyhaven]

The world needs true leaders. There's nothing wrong in earning money and having a comfortable life. Getting attached to money would drift oneself from the true human nature which is full of compassion. No one would trust someone who thinks only about oneself. In every working place, there's a need for supportive, collaborative and "human" employees. Being true to oneself is not about living as a hermit but staying true to oneself as the road gets harder. In my experience, doors open on their own once one stays true to oneself. The world does reflect your self. That's why it's important to look at one's thoughts carefully and choose the constructive ones.

There is nothing wrong with any path, one has to do what aligns with their true selves, if one feels there is nothing wrong with their path then that's precisely where they need to be. Feeling is the ultimate compass. Wrongs and rights don't really exist, they are about people interfering with other people's paths.

[Guish]

Wrongs and rights don't really exist, they are about people interfering with other people's paths.

True. There are some universal rules though.

You get what you give.
Impermanence of reality.
Power of love over pain, fear or other low level emotion.

[Skyhaven]

Wrongs and rights don't really exist, they are about people interfering with other people's paths.

True. There are some universal rules though.

You get what you give.
Impermanence of reality.
Power of love over pain, fear or other low level emotion.


Yes of course, but these rules are only learned by experience, not by other people telling other people what is wrong and what is right, this only delays the learning process. People need to be able to live out every aspect, the good and the bad.

[greybeard]

Many will know this prayer

"God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference."

Let go let God!!!


I wonder how much free will we really have.
Who is there to have free will?

What gave us the idea to start on a path?

To me there seems to be a guiding hand in everything--from the little to the large ---decisions--events.

If so why worry??

We may be the actor on the stage and bring our personal style to the part, but beginning, middle and end are writ.
Ultimately we wrote the play--it would seem.
Love Chris

[Guish]

Something for you, Danny.

Nkgv3LoQY2o

[Guish]

Wrongs and rights don't really exist, they are about people interfering with other people's paths.

True. There are some universal rules though.

You get what you give.
Impermanence of reality.
Power of love over pain, fear or other low level emotion.


Yes of course, but these rules are only learned by experience, not by other people telling other people what is wrong and what is right, this only delays the learning process. People need to be able to live out every aspect, the good and the bad.


I understand but I do not fully accept this. I'd not want my son to endure as much pain I had to endure. Also, if we know something is bad in an objective manner, after doing research, we wouldn't try it. I never felt the need to try drugs to know it's bad, for example. I understand that society emphasizes on right or wrong rather than giving information in an objective manner.

[Skyhaven]

Many will know this prayer

"God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference."

Let go let God!!!


I wonder how much free will we really have.
Who is there to have free will?

What gave us the idea to start on a path?

To me there seems to be a guiding hand in everything--from the little to the large ---decisions--events.

If so why worry??

We may be the actor on the stage and bring our personal style to the part, but beginning, middle and end are writ.
Ultimately we wrote the play--it would seem.
Love Chris

Wonderful prayer Chris. Free will is indeed very relative, on a higher level everything is completely under control, but all too often people suffer from a god-complex, they think they have to fulfill the duties of god, which ofcourse is too much to bare, but they do this because they banished God from their lives, and they now need to take over the job of god.

[Skyhaven]

Wrongs and rights don't really exist, they are about people interfering with other people's paths.

True. There are some universal rules though.

You get what you give.
Impermanence of reality.
Power of love over pain, fear or other low level emotion.


Yes of course, but these rules are only learned by experience, not by other people telling other people what is wrong and what is right, this only delays the learning process. People need to be able to live out every aspect, the good and the bad.


I understand but I do not fully accept this. I'd not want my son to endure as much pain I had to endure. Also, if we know something is bad in an objective manner, after doing research, we wouldn't try it. I never felt the need to try drugs to know it's bad, for example. I understand that society emphasizes on right or wrong rather than giving information in an objective manner.

But still at the bases of your decision lies experience, you intuitively know that eating inedible things makes you sick...

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Something for you, Danny.

Nkgv3LoQY2o

Thank you, been a Pearl Jam fan for a long time!

[Sunny-side-up]

Not quite the OP's line but:

I was thinking this morning that I really didn't want to be part of all this any-more.

I was thinking/seeing that one half of the world is attacking and the other retaliating, year after year, century after century etc, etc, on and on!

Thing is both sides while in the game are happy with it!

But there is a large chunk of the worlds population that dose not wan't this and they try to keep out of it, above it.

I can say though, I'm very happy to know/see that I am in the large chunk, stuck in the middle with all you great beings :)

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

In my own experience, a certain degree of detachment is necessary. The real key for me has been the ability to watch and monitor my thoughts, control those thoughts and then watch reality shift. We are enormously powerful beings on many dimensional levels. You do not change the world, you change yourself. Bringing yourself into alignment is a very personal journey and if you are too concerned with the opinion of others or too immeshed into "group"dynamics it is easy to lose direction. Thanks for the thread! Nice to read the variety of responses. Peace.

[Bubu]

Not trying to prove anything guish, let's leave it at 'adjusting' to letting things be, and not taking control, even if that means growing apart.

The only thing you can control is your mind. We can't hold on to things that change.

At times yes but the fact that one is in the matrix could mean that somebody is controlling his mind most of the time

[Skyhaven]

Not quite the OP's line but:

I was thinking this morning that I really didn't want to be part of all this any-more.

I was thinking/seeing that one half of the world is attacking and the other retaliating, year after year, century after century etc, etc, on and on!

Thing is both sides while in the game are happy with it!

But there is a large chunk of the worlds population that dose not wan't this and they try to keep out of it, above it.

I can say though, I'm very happy to know/see that I am in the large chunk, stuck in the middle with all you great beings :)

I don't even follow the news any more, it is all the same stuff over and over again. I don't need the news to tell me bad stuff is happening, the worst stuff isn't even been remotely touched by the news, it goes on in people's hearts. But that's the way of the world, there is just as much darkness as there is light... People sometimes say the world is a dark place, because of what is presented by the news, but I still believe it's a balance and there is just as much light.

Glad to be stuck in the middle with you brother! :)

[greybeard]

Yogananda said "The darkness comes from the same place as the light"

That only makes sense to me, taken in this context.
Eckhart Tolle described duality as "Limited consciousness evolving to know it self"
So limited consciousness perhaps creates light and darkness in its illusory journey home-it is in reality allready home --just in ignorance of this.
Seems that beyond consciousness is awareness--which is not personal and is the Ultimate---That which you are.

This me is stuck in the middle too.

With Love
Chris

[Skyhaven]

Yogananda said "The darkness comes from the same place as the light"

That only makes sense to me, taken in this context.
Eckhart Tolle described duality as "Limited consciousness evolving to know it self"
So limited consciousness perhaps creates light and darkness in its illusory journey home-it is in reality allready home --just in ignorance of this.
Seems that beyond consciousness is awareness--which is not personal and is the Ultimate---That which you are.

This me is stuck in the middle too.

With Love
Chris

But if the darkness comes from the same source as the light, could it then maybe be, that when the light increases the darkness increases with equal strength, to hold the equilibrium?

This then may mean, the outside world is only seemingly looking worse, because it tries to keep up the increased light in the world, and of course, the news only reports about the increased turmoil.

[greybeard]

Skyhaven I can only quote Eckhart Tolle to the best of my memory when he was asked very similar to your question.

The world is becoming more dysfunctional --this happens before change.
The bad is getting worse and the good is getting better --the bad is more noticeable because it makes more noise.
Its not an exact quote but I think the essence is correct.
His feeling is that the good is winning and that we are going to see the biggest change since we became mammals (left the water)--not that we are the body anyway.

Equilibrium is only important in duality.

To my mind its like a spiral moving upwards---consciousness is not stationary --it is evolving.
All is well.
Hope my thoughts are helpful.

Love Chris

[bettye198]

Thank you Skyhaven for your honesty. That is basically all we have. Being authentic connects us to our higher selves and that is where the direction and wisdom comes from. I often think the same thoughts, as I see my physical manifest betraying me. I believe the only sensible thing to do is walk in nature and which I do, just authentically speak out affirmations to my body as I walk, commanding it to be healthy and supportive. Then there is the drama which is wholly immature and irresponsible that occurs in families. or in a workplace and tries to pull you in. Here is where you let things fall away. I cannot get a sense of your age, but I have already lived a good many years with much experience. Those in their senior years can more easily let go. Then there is the health picture and the visit to review one's own immortality. Again a trap for the angelic being. Living in a higher state, higher frequencies of positivity will broadcast to your DNA that you are better than all that worry, fear, despondency. That you are viable and able to radiate your wisdom to someone of worth. Even a child or a troubled teen. I have always believed when you are thinking about self you tend to bear down into a narcissistic state and when you think about others and what you can give to them, you radiate love in its highest form. Thus, you get the love too as you are only an instrument. If you can, volunteer to those people or teens and believe we are nothing without a piece of our soul shared with others. God Bless, B

[3(C)+me]

I have noticed for several years now things just falling away, if I don't resist it makes it easier. I stopped watching MSM several months ago and I feel so much better when I do get a glimpse of it, like this weekend, all the screaming and doom and fear mongering is so clear to me that I literally can take it for a few minutes. I do want to be here as an observer, as someone who chooses what I want to participate in, pro-life, pro-human pro-nature and I know it does have an effect on my surroundings and with people I deal with. But these times are so intense, the extremes in polarity, it is not easy and now we have this false flag, and I really do not get use to it but I can see that in a few days we pretty much know what is going on, and others are getting it too, so I think we as a group are making progress.

[Skyhaven]

Thank you Skyhaven for your honesty. That is basically all we have. Being authentic connects us to our higher selves and that is where the direction and wisdom comes from. I often think the same thoughts, as I see my physical manifest betraying me. I believe the only sensible thing to do is walk in nature and which I do, just authentically speak out affirmations to my body as I walk, commanding it to be healthy and supportive. Then there is the drama which is wholly immature and irresponsible that occurs in families. or in a workplace and tries to pull you in. Here is where you let things fall away. I cannot get a sense of your age, but I have already lived a good many years with much experience. Those in their senior years can more easily let go. Then there is the health picture and the visit to review one's own immortality. Again a trap for the angelic being. Living in a higher state, higher frequencies of positivity will broadcast to your DNA that you are better than all that worry, fear, despondency. That you are viable and able to radiate your wisdom to someone of worth. Even a child or a troubled teen. I have always believed when you are thinking about self you tend to bear down into a narcissistic state and when you think about others and what you can give to them, you radiate love in its highest form. Thus, you get the love too as you are only an instrument. If you can, volunteer to those people or teens and believe we are nothing without a piece of our soul shared with others. God Bless, B


Thanks for writing Betty. I am not in my senior years, although I feel I am. I like to walk in nature too, just letting thoughts come to me, other than that I feel empty, and I want to keep it that way. I am not out looking for new experiences, while I should be given my age. Many things my friends want to explore I don't even feel the slightest urge for. Still surprised though about the things that come to me by keeping things simple. Doing seemingly nothing is very valuable to me, because a great deal of things seed from it, things that come from a place beyond my control. I have fought many 'silent' wars over this with parents, friends, an pretty much every institution of society. The strange thing is that I just in recent years started to connect the dots as to why I did what I did, or more why I did not do what I did not do.

[Skyhaven]

I have noticed for several years now things just falling away, if I don't resist it makes it easier. I stopped watching MSM several months ago and I feel so much better when I do get a glimpse of it, like this weekend, all the screaming and doom and fear mongering is so clear to me that I literally can take it for a few minutes. I do want to be here as an observer, as someone who chooses what I want to participate in, pro-life, pro-human pro-nature and I know it does have an effect on my surroundings and with people I deal with. But these times are so intense, the extremes in polarity, it is not easy and now we have this false flag, and I really do not get use to it but I can see that in a few days we pretty much know what is going on, and others are getting it too, so I think we as a group are making progress.

I often contemplate this verse of the tao te ching, it helps me to stay away from certain things:


Give up sainthood, renounce wisdom

and it will be a hundred times better for everyone.

Throw away morality and justice

and the people will do the right thing.

Throw away industry and profit

and there will be no thieves

All of these things are outward forms alone;

They are not sufficient in themselves.

It is more important

to see the simplicity,

to realize one’s true nature,

to cast off selfishness

and temper desire.

[Skyhaven]

Talking about 'doing nothing' this comedy sketch I find funny:

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[Skyhaven]

Skyhaven I can only quote Eckhart Tolle to the best of my memory when he was asked very similar to your question.

The world is becoming more dysfunctional --this happens before change.
The bad is getting worse and the good is getting better --the bad is more noticeable because it makes more noise.
Its not an exact quote but I think the essence is correct.
His feeling is that the good is winning and that we are going to see the biggest change since we became mammals (left the water)--not that we are the body anyway.

Equilibrium is only important in duality.

To my mind its like a spiral moving upwards---consciousness is not stationary --it is evolving.
All is well.
Hope my thoughts are helpful.

Love Chris

Well at least things will become less dull and more exciting!

[Guish]

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[Skyhaven]

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[Guish]

You are who you are
Whether with a glass or without.

[Skyhaven]

What is Missing

You’ve spent your whole life trying to complete yourself
but nothing has ever filled that sense of lack –
the craziest adventures, the most ecstatic love
the most prized possessions, the most satisfying success –
but none of them could take away the gnawing discontent.

There were times when you thought you’d done it,
when you thought your life was perfect
all ambitions satisfied and all problems solved –
you told yourself, ‘That’s it! I’m there! Happiness at last!’

But you woke up the next morning and it was back,
that familiar grasping feeling, that sense of ‘it’s not enough!’
like a background hum, a high-pitched screech of emptiness
that can be masked, but never stopped.

But who told you there was something missing from you?
A fragment is always broken, no matter what you add to it
unless you can bring it back into union.

YOU are what is missing
from the vast, deep oneness of Being.
The lack you feel is your separation
There’s no hole inside you – the whole is around you.

You can’t make yourself whole by gaining or collecting
but only by letting go.

~Steve Taylor

[greybeard]

Thanks Skyhaven

That Steve Taylor post really charts this experience.
Yes to the good the ego or whatever got me off my backside to accomplish but there was always the sense of not enough--not finished.
I now realise that the discomfort was caused by ego--doing past and future.
Time has moved on the priority has shifted.
Im ok with things being removed that I once worked hard for--happy with the simplicity that comes with this.
Not always easy to let go initially, but adjustment happens.

Great thread.

Chris

[Skyhaven]

Thanks for being on the same page with me Chris, literally and figuratively!

Steve Taylor has a great website with lots of interesting essays and poems, for all those interested:

http://www.stevenmtaylor.com

[greybeard]

Easy to be on the same page.
Thanks for the link Skyhaven

I pasted this from it.
Chris


About Steve Taylor

Steve Taylor is the author of several best-selling books on psychology and spirituality, and is a senior lecturer in psychology at Leeds Beckett University. For the last four years he has been included (this year at no. 62) in Mind, Body, Spirit magazine’s list of the ‘100 most spiritually influential living people.’ His books include Waking From Sleep, The Fall, Out of the Darkness, Back to Sanity, and his latest book The Calm Center. His books have been published in 19 languages, and Eckhart Tolle has described his work as ‘an important contribution to the shift in consciousness which is happening on our planet at present.’

Steve has a PhD in Transpersonal Psychology and teaches on ITA professional’s on-line MSc in Consciousness, Spirituality and Transpersonal Psychology. His articles and essays have been published in over 40 academic journals, magazines and newspapers. He writes the popular blog ‘Out of the Darkness’ for Psychology Today magazine. Steve lives in Manchester, England with his wife and three young children.