Road to world peace

[WhiteLove]

1. Identify all countries in the world
2. Identify the leader/president of each country in the world. Remove that person from power, replace that person by a peace maker defined by the people of the world. (these persons report the peace progress to the people of the world, a multi dimensional surveillance system is put in place to ensure the reporting and the peace progress happens 100% truthfully)
3. Identify all weapons contained in each military power
4. Group all weapons in each military power by destruction level and sort them by destruction level in descending order
5. Sort all countries by military power in descending order
6. Iterate all countries and destroy all weapons at the top destruction layer, so that the nation with the biggest capacity of most destructive weapons destroys their weapons first
7. Iterate through the rest of the weapons in the same manner country by country, always in a sequence by threat in descending order
8. When all weapons have been destroyed in all countries, close down all military activities in all countries, starting with the country that has had the most active military activities
9. When all military has been closed down, destroy the military facilities and other assets
10. Move on to intelligence agencies and neutralize those too, always country by country, always grouped by level of power and always iterating in descending order
11. Once all military powers and all intelligence agencies have been neutralized, move on to banks. The same here. Neutralize a bank at a time in capacity order, share the wealth evenly among nations. Then close them.
12. Bring down all borders and border control of all nations, as always in the right order
13. Move on to law enforcement. Identify all the laws in all countries, group them by order of destruction (e.g., death penalty, torture, cutting arms, fingers, legs etc.) and illegalize them in that order until all laws have been illegalized so that there are no laws left.
14. Close down all media, political parties...
15. Depracate the countries too so that no segregations are left in the world
16. Close down everything else that is desctructive, re-purpose assets towards that which brings peace, health and environment protection.

At this point the world is at peace and the people is free to do what their hearts desire and can do so because the world's resources are not funneled into black projects, corrupt banks, corrupt law enforcements, corrupt corporations, corrupt media, weapons and wars that destroy all those resources. At this point it's time to celebrate a future that had not been possible with the poison above left in the system.

I have experienced a world in peace and have full memory of it. It's utterly utterly emotional in a very very good way. What happens is that everything becomes light. The weight that comes with the evil is lifted off. What you have thought have been limitations the truth has debunked into non-limitations. Everything synchronizes and harmonizes. Your being is constantly experiencing the joy of unconditional love. It's amazing and it's something that once you have experienced that, it's something that always will remain in your dreams to experience again, because it is so wonderful and feels so good!

I wish all would have memories of such a beautiful place so that it would be easier to push for this change. But I think that we are making progress, the social media, the internet, forums like Avalon are contributing towards world peace. I believe that free energy exists and the sooner we reach peace the sooner we will also discover free energy. I think that the secrets of creation are protected by laws of unconditional love, such that in order to access certain power levels you need to master certain levels of unconditional love.

Focusing on world peace more so than all other aspects combined, is at this point in time what I think would be the most intelligent thing that humans can do.

[Skyhaven]

Changing the outside material world first is in my opinion not the way to go, their minds have to be changed first, I.E less ego more heart, after that the outside world will follow... When you change the outside world first, when the majority are still big egos, will only create more turmoil, in my opinion.

[WhiteLove]

Changing the outside material world first is in my opinion not the way to go, their minds have to be changed first, I.E less ego more heart, after that the outside world will follow... When you change the outside world first, when the majority are still big egos, will only create more turmoil, in my opinion.

The peace makers that are selected by the people of the world, must be at peace themselves. And the people that vote for those must also at least want peace. The thing is that if you are constantly bombarded with non peace keeping propaganda and beliefs in your surrounding, you will to some degree remain influenced by that. But I think that gradually as more and more peace is taking ground it becomes a positive loop of positive influence and this in turn helps that inner peace building process.

So yes, it is an inner peace building process as much as an external peace building process, but I have a hard time understanding how it is possible to experience full peace with all elements of destruction left in the outside context.

[Mu2143]

1. Identify all countries in the world
2. Identify the leader/president of each country in the world. Remove that person from power, replace that person by a peace maker defined by the people of the world. (these persons report the peace progress to the people of the world, a multi dimensional surveillance system is put in place to ensure the reporting and the peace progress happens 100% truthfully)
3. Identify all weapons contained in each military power
4. Group all weapons in each military power by destruction level and sort them by destruction level in descending order
5. Sort all countries by military power in descending order
6. Iterate all countries and destroy all weapons at the top destruction layer, so that the nation with the biggest capacity of most destructive weapons destroys their weapons first
7. Iterate through the rest of the weapons in the same manner country by country, always in a sequence by threat in descending order
8. When all weapons have been destroyed in all countries, close down all military activities in all countries, starting with the country that has had the most active military activities
9. When all military has been closed down, destroy the military facilities and other assets
10. Move on to intelligence agencies and neutralize those too, always country by country, always grouped by level of power and always iterating in descending order
11. Once all military powers and all intelligence agencies have been neutralized, move on to banks. The same here. Neutralize a bank at a time in capacity order, share the wealth evenly among nations. Then close them.
12. Bring down all borders and border control of all nations, as always in the right order
13. Move on to law enforcement. Identify all the laws in all countries, group them by order of destruction (e.g., death penalty, torture, cutting arms, fingers, legs etc.) and illegalize them in that order until all laws have been illegalized so that there are no laws left.
14. Close down all media, political parties...
15. Depracate the countries too so that no segregations are left in the world
16. Close down everything else that is desctructive, re-purpose assets towards that which brings peace, health and environment protection.

At this point the world is at peace and the people is free to do what their hearts desire and can do so because the world's resources are not funneled into black projects, corrupt banks, corrupt law enforcements, corrupt corporations, corrupt media, weapons and wars that destroy all those resources. At this point it's time to celebrate a future that had not been possible with the poison above left in the system.

I have experienced a world in peace and have full memory of it. It's utterly utterly emotional in a very very good way. What happens is that everything becomes light. The weight that comes with the evil is lifted off. What you have thought have been limitations the truth has debunked into non-limitations. Everything synchronizes and harmonizes. Your being is constantly experiencing the joy of unconditional love. It's amazing and it's something that once you have experienced that, it's something that always will remain in your dreams to experience again, because it is so wonderful and feels so good!

I wish all would have memories of such a beautiful place so that it would be easier to push for this change. But I think that we are making progress, the social media, the internet, forums like Avalon are contributing towards world peace. I believe that free energy exists and the sooner we reach peace the sooner we will also discover free energy. I think that the secrets of creation are protected by laws of unconditional love, such that in order to access certain power levels you need to master certain levels of unconditional love.

Focusing on world peace more so than all other aspects combined, is at this point in time what I think would be the most intelligent thing that humans can do.

Welcome to the NWO!!!
this not going to work only Righteousness is going to work!!
Every else fails ,because it does not shield you from the enemy spiritually

Let go of control , the enemy wants control.
it is his system we are born in it and that includes this physical body.

[WhiteLove]

1. Identify all countries in the world
2. Identify the leader/president of each country in the world. Remove that person from power, replace that person by a peace maker defined by the people of the world. (these persons report the peace progress to the people of the world, a multi dimensional surveillance system is put in place to ensure the reporting and the peace progress happens 100% truthfully)
3. Identify all weapons contained in each military power
4. Group all weapons in each military power by destruction level and sort them by destruction level in descending order
5. Sort all countries by military power in descending order
6. Iterate all countries and destroy all weapons at the top destruction layer, so that the nation with the biggest capacity of most destructive weapons destroys their weapons first
7. Iterate through the rest of the weapons in the same manner country by country, always in a sequence by threat in descending order
8. When all weapons have been destroyed in all countries, close down all military activities in all countries, starting with the country that has had the most active military activities
9. When all military has been closed down, destroy the military facilities and other assets
10. Move on to intelligence agencies and neutralize those too, always country by country, always grouped by level of power and always iterating in descending order
11. Once all military powers and all intelligence agencies have been neutralized, move on to banks. The same here. Neutralize a bank at a time in capacity order, share the wealth evenly among nations. Then close them.
12. Bring down all borders and border control of all nations, as always in the right order
13. Move on to law enforcement. Identify all the laws in all countries, group them by order of destruction (e.g., death penalty, torture, cutting arms, fingers, legs etc.) and illegalize them in that order until all laws have been illegalized so that there are no laws left.
14. Close down all media, political parties...
15. Depracate the countries too so that no segregations are left in the world
16. Close down everything else that is desctructive, re-purpose assets towards that which brings peace, health and environment protection.

At this point the world is at peace and the people is free to do what their hearts desire and can do so because the world's resources are not funneled into black projects, corrupt banks, corrupt law enforcements, corrupt corporations, corrupt media, weapons and wars that destroy all those resources. At this point it's time to celebrate a future that had not been possible with the poison above left in the system.

I have experienced a world in peace and have full memory of it. It's utterly utterly emotional in a very very good way. What happens is that everything becomes light. The weight that comes with the evil is lifted off. What you have thought have been limitations the truth has debunked into non-limitations. Everything synchronizes and harmonizes. Your being is constantly experiencing the joy of unconditional love. It's amazing and it's something that once you have experienced that, it's something that always will remain in your dreams to experience again, because it is so wonderful and feels so good!

I wish all would have memories of such a beautiful place so that it would be easier to push for this change. But I think that we are making progress, the social media, the internet, forums like Avalon are contributing towards world peace. I believe that free energy exists and the sooner we reach peace the sooner we will also discover free energy. I think that the secrets of creation are protected by laws of unconditional love, such that in order to access certain power levels you need to master certain levels of unconditional love.

Focusing on world peace more so than all other aspects combined, is at this point in time what I think would be the most intelligent thing that humans can do.

Welcome to the NWO!!!
this not going to work only Righteousness is going to work!!
Every else fails ,because it does not shield you from the enemy spiritually

Let go of control , the enemy wants control it is his system we are born in it and that includes this physical body.

"The enemy" is not a definition coming from unconditional love, hence if you have "the enemy" left it is a destructive thought/definition that needs to be put in the light of unconditional love, so that it can be debunked. When you start on the road towards peace, in the beginning yes the peace counter force will be the greatest. But the key to overcoming that force is to collectively be at peace and focused on peace, then transform that into peace making actions.

In the beginning when the leaders of the world must step down to pave way for a peace maker, then any leader that won't do so, the whole world will focus on. It will become very obvious where the world peace is being damaged. So establishing peace is as much about becoming able to perceive the truth.

[Mu2143]

1. Identify all countries in the world
2. Identify the leader/president of each country in the world. Remove that person from power, replace that person by a peace maker defined by the people of the world. (these persons report the peace progress to the people of the world, a multi dimensional surveillance system is put in place to ensure the reporting and the peace progress happens 100% truthfully)
3. Identify all weapons contained in each military power
4. Group all weapons in each military power by destruction level and sort them by destruction level in descending order
5. Sort all countries by military power in descending order
6. Iterate all countries and destroy all weapons at the top destruction layer, so that the nation with the biggest capacity of most destructive weapons destroys their weapons first
7. Iterate through the rest of the weapons in the same manner country by country, always in a sequence by threat in descending order
8. When all weapons have been destroyed in all countries, close down all military activities in all countries, starting with the country that has had the most active military activities
9. When all military has been closed down, destroy the military facilities and other assets
10. Move on to intelligence agencies and neutralize those too, always country by country, always grouped by level of power and always iterating in descending order
11. Once all military powers and all intelligence agencies have been neutralized, move on to banks. The same here. Neutralize a bank at a time in capacity order, share the wealth evenly among nations. Then close them.
12. Bring down all borders and border control of all nations, as always in the right order
13. Move on to law enforcement. Identify all the laws in all countries, group them by order of destruction (e.g., death penalty, torture, cutting arms, fingers, legs etc.) and illegalize them in that order until all laws have been illegalized so that there are no laws left.
14. Close down all media, political parties...
15. Depracate the countries too so that no segregations are left in the world
16. Close down everything else that is desctructive, re-purpose assets towards that which brings peace, health and environment protection.

At this point the world is at peace and the people is free to do what their hearts desire and can do so because the world's resources are not funneled into black projects, corrupt banks, corrupt law enforcements, corrupt corporations, corrupt media, weapons and wars that destroy all those resources. At this point it's time to celebrate a future that had not been possible with the poison above left in the system.

I have experienced a world in peace and have full memory of it. It's utterly utterly emotional in a very very good way. What happens is that everything becomes light. The weight that comes with the evil is lifted off. What you have thought have been limitations the truth has debunked into non-limitations. Everything synchronizes and harmonizes. Your being is constantly experiencing the joy of unconditional love. It's amazing and it's something that once you have experienced that, it's something that always will remain in your dreams to experience again, because it is so wonderful and feels so good!

I wish all would have memories of such a beautiful place so that it would be easier to push for this change. But I think that we are making progress, the social media, the internet, forums like Avalon are contributing towards world peace. I believe that free energy exists and the sooner we reach peace the sooner we will also discover free energy. I think that the secrets of creation are protected by laws of unconditional love, such that in order to access certain power levels you need to master certain levels of unconditional love.

Focusing on world peace more so than all other aspects combined, is at this point in time what I think would be the most intelligent thing that humans can do.

Welcome to the NWO!!!
this not going to work only Righteousness is going to work!!
Every else fails ,because it does not shield you from the enemy spiritually

Let go of control , the enemy wants control it is his system we are born in it and that includes this physical body.

"The enemy" is not a definition coming from unconditional love, hence if you have "the enemy" left it is a destructive thought/definition that needs to be put in the light of unconditional love, so that it can be debunked. When you start on the road towards peace, in the beginning yes the peace counter force will be the greatest. But the key to overcoming that force is to collectively be at peace and focused on peace, then transform that into peace making actions.

Righteousness creates unconditional love within the soul and body
all other things I have tried!! and it failed.
So I tell you this from experience!!It is like a shield for the soul.
If there was no enemy then there should be peace , but if that is not the case then that should be obvious that it is not.

[WhiteLove]

1. Identify all countries in the world
2. Identify the leader/president of each country in the world. Remove that person from power, replace that person by a peace maker defined by the people of the world. (these persons report the peace progress to the people of the world, a multi dimensional surveillance system is put in place to ensure the reporting and the peace progress happens 100% truthfully)
3. Identify all weapons contained in each military power
4. Group all weapons in each military power by destruction level and sort them by destruction level in descending order
5. Sort all countries by military power in descending order
6. Iterate all countries and destroy all weapons at the top destruction layer, so that the nation with the biggest capacity of most destructive weapons destroys their weapons first
7. Iterate through the rest of the weapons in the same manner country by country, always in a sequence by threat in descending order
8. When all weapons have been destroyed in all countries, close down all military activities in all countries, starting with the country that has had the most active military activities
9. When all military has been closed down, destroy the military facilities and other assets
10. Move on to intelligence agencies and neutralize those too, always country by country, always grouped by level of power and always iterating in descending order
11. Once all military powers and all intelligence agencies have been neutralized, move on to banks. The same here. Neutralize a bank at a time in capacity order, share the wealth evenly among nations. Then close them.
12. Bring down all borders and border control of all nations, as always in the right order
13. Move on to law enforcement. Identify all the laws in all countries, group them by order of destruction (e.g., death penalty, torture, cutting arms, fingers, legs etc.) and illegalize them in that order until all laws have been illegalized so that there are no laws left.
14. Close down all media, political parties...
15. Depracate the countries too so that no segregations are left in the world
16. Close down everything else that is desctructive, re-purpose assets towards that which brings peace, health and environment protection.

At this point the world is at peace and the people is free to do what their hearts desire and can do so because the world's resources are not funneled into black projects, corrupt banks, corrupt law enforcements, corrupt corporations, corrupt media, weapons and wars that destroy all those resources. At this point it's time to celebrate a future that had not been possible with the poison above left in the system.

I have experienced a world in peace and have full memory of it. It's utterly utterly emotional in a very very good way. What happens is that everything becomes light. The weight that comes with the evil is lifted off. What you have thought have been limitations the truth has debunked into non-limitations. Everything synchronizes and harmonizes. Your being is constantly experiencing the joy of unconditional love. It's amazing and it's something that once you have experienced that, it's something that always will remain in your dreams to experience again, because it is so wonderful and feels so good!

I wish all would have memories of such a beautiful place so that it would be easier to push for this change. But I think that we are making progress, the social media, the internet, forums like Avalon are contributing towards world peace. I believe that free energy exists and the sooner we reach peace the sooner we will also discover free energy. I think that the secrets of creation are protected by laws of unconditional love, such that in order to access certain power levels you need to master certain levels of unconditional love.

Focusing on world peace more so than all other aspects combined, is at this point in time what I think would be the most intelligent thing that humans can do.

Welcome to the NWO!!!
this not going to work only Righteousness is going to work!!
Every else fails ,because it does not shield you from the enemy spiritually

Let go of control , the enemy wants control it is his system we are born in it and that includes this physical body.

"The enemy" is not a definition coming from unconditional love, hence if you have "the enemy" left it is a destructive thought/definition that needs to be put in the light of unconditional love, so that it can be debunked. When you start on the road towards peace, in the beginning yes the peace counter force will be the greatest. But the key to overcoming that force is to collectively be at peace and focused on peace, then transform that into peace making actions.

Righteousness creates unconditional love within the soul and body
all other things I have tried!! and it failed.
So I tell you this from experience!!It is like a shield for the soul.
If there was no enemy then there should be peace , but if that is not the case then that should be obvious that it is not.

Righteousness, when it means being in truth and being in unconditional love, then yes it will work. Righteousness, when it means putting conditions on love, then no it won't work, it will just limit and confuse. And yes, making peace is a process towards the death of the negative ego. Your creative force becomes one dedicated to others.

[Mu2143]

1. Identify all countries in the world
2. Identify the leader/president of each country in the world. Remove that person from power, replace that person by a peace maker defined by the people of the world. (these persons report the peace progress to the people of the world, a multi dimensional surveillance system is put in place to ensure the reporting and the peace progress happens 100% truthfully)
3. Identify all weapons contained in each military power
4. Group all weapons in each military power by destruction level and sort them by destruction level in descending order
5. Sort all countries by military power in descending order
6. Iterate all countries and destroy all weapons at the top destruction layer, so that the nation with the biggest capacity of most destructive weapons destroys their weapons first
7. Iterate through the rest of the weapons in the same manner country by country, always in a sequence by threat in descending order
8. When all weapons have been destroyed in all countries, close down all military activities in all countries, starting with the country that has had the most active military activities
9. When all military has been closed down, destroy the military facilities and other assets
10. Move on to intelligence agencies and neutralize those too, always country by country, always grouped by level of power and always iterating in descending order
11. Once all military powers and all intelligence agencies have been neutralized, move on to banks. The same here. Neutralize a bank at a time in capacity order, share the wealth evenly among nations. Then close them.
12. Bring down all borders and border control of all nations, as always in the right order
13. Move on to law enforcement. Identify all the laws in all countries, group them by order of destruction (e.g., death penalty, torture, cutting arms, fingers, legs etc.) and illegalize them in that order until all laws have been illegalized so that there are no laws left.
14. Close down all media, political parties...
15. Depracate the countries too so that no segregations are left in the world
16. Close down everything else that is desctructive, re-purpose assets towards that which brings peace, health and environment protection.

At this point the world is at peace and the people is free to do what their hearts desire and can do so because the world's resources are not funneled into black projects, corrupt banks, corrupt law enforcements, corrupt corporations, corrupt media, weapons and wars that destroy all those resources. At this point it's time to celebrate a future that had not been possible with the poison above left in the system.

I have experienced a world in peace and have full memory of it. It's utterly utterly emotional in a very very good way. What happens is that everything becomes light. The weight that comes with the evil is lifted off. What you have thought have been limitations the truth has debunked into non-limitations. Everything synchronizes and harmonizes. Your being is constantly experiencing the joy of unconditional love. It's amazing and it's something that once you have experienced that, it's something that always will remain in your dreams to experience again, because it is so wonderful and feels so good!

I wish all would have memories of such a beautiful place so that it would be easier to push for this change. But I think that we are making progress, the social media, the internet, forums like Avalon are contributing towards world peace. I believe that free energy exists and the sooner we reach peace the sooner we will also discover free energy. I think that the secrets of creation are protected by laws of unconditional love, such that in order to access certain power levels you need to master certain levels of unconditional love.

Focusing on world peace more so than all other aspects combined, is at this point in time what I think would be the most intelligent thing that humans can do.

Welcome to the NWO!!!
this not going to work only Righteousness is going to work!!
Every else fails ,because it does not shield you from the enemy spiritually

Let go of control , the enemy wants control it is his system we are born in it and that includes this physical body.

"The enemy" is not a definition coming from unconditional love, hence if you have "the enemy" left it is a destructive thought/definition that needs to be put in the light of unconditional love, so that it can be debunked. When you start on the road towards peace, in the beginning yes the peace counter force will be the greatest. But the key to overcoming that force is to collectively be at peace and focused on peace, then transform that into peace making actions.

Righteousness creates unconditional love within the soul and body
all other things I have tried!! and it failed.
So I tell you this from experience!!It is like a shield for the soul.
If there was no enemy then there should be peace , but if that is not the case then that should be obvious that it is not.

Righteousness, when it means being in truth and being in unconditional love, then yes it will work. Righteousness, when it means putting conditions on love, then no it won't work, it will just limit and confuse.

Righteousness is a action! Not many have been told that it is required for us to do this daily if you can.
This information is lacking in does who do understand that world is not what it is .
Meaning is that all I needed to focus on , Yep that was what I was missing!! The other is speaking about it which I am doing.

If some one asked for food because they don't have it and you give that is a righteous action.
There are many forms of righteous actions you can do then we have chance otherwise the programmed reality keeps repeating the past.

[WhiteLove]

1. Identify all countries in the world
2. Identify the leader/president of each country in the world. Remove that person from power, replace that person by a peace maker defined by the people of the world. (these persons report the peace progress to the people of the world, a multi dimensional surveillance system is put in place to ensure the reporting and the peace progress happens 100% truthfully)
3. Identify all weapons contained in each military power
4. Group all weapons in each military power by destruction level and sort them by destruction level in descending order
5. Sort all countries by military power in descending order
6. Iterate all countries and destroy all weapons at the top destruction layer, so that the nation with the biggest capacity of most destructive weapons destroys their weapons first
7. Iterate through the rest of the weapons in the same manner country by country, always in a sequence by threat in descending order
8. When all weapons have been destroyed in all countries, close down all military activities in all countries, starting with the country that has had the most active military activities
9. When all military has been closed down, destroy the military facilities and other assets
10. Move on to intelligence agencies and neutralize those too, always country by country, always grouped by level of power and always iterating in descending order
11. Once all military powers and all intelligence agencies have been neutralized, move on to banks. The same here. Neutralize a bank at a time in capacity order, share the wealth evenly among nations. Then close them.
12. Bring down all borders and border control of all nations, as always in the right order
13. Move on to law enforcement. Identify all the laws in all countries, group them by order of destruction (e.g., death penalty, torture, cutting arms, fingers, legs etc.) and illegalize them in that order until all laws have been illegalized so that there are no laws left.
14. Close down all media, political parties...
15. Depracate the countries too so that no segregations are left in the world
16. Close down everything else that is desctructive, re-purpose assets towards that which brings peace, health and environment protection.

At this point the world is at peace and the people is free to do what their hearts desire and can do so because the world's resources are not funneled into black projects, corrupt banks, corrupt law enforcements, corrupt corporations, corrupt media, weapons and wars that destroy all those resources. At this point it's time to celebrate a future that had not been possible with the poison above left in the system.

I have experienced a world in peace and have full memory of it. It's utterly utterly emotional in a very very good way. What happens is that everything becomes light. The weight that comes with the evil is lifted off. What you have thought have been limitations the truth has debunked into non-limitations. Everything synchronizes and harmonizes. Your being is constantly experiencing the joy of unconditional love. It's amazing and it's something that once you have experienced that, it's something that always will remain in your dreams to experience again, because it is so wonderful and feels so good!

I wish all would have memories of such a beautiful place so that it would be easier to push for this change. But I think that we are making progress, the social media, the internet, forums like Avalon are contributing towards world peace. I believe that free energy exists and the sooner we reach peace the sooner we will also discover free energy. I think that the secrets of creation are protected by laws of unconditional love, such that in order to access certain power levels you need to master certain levels of unconditional love.

Focusing on world peace more so than all other aspects combined, is at this point in time what I think would be the most intelligent thing that humans can do.

Welcome to the NWO!!!
this not going to work only Righteousness is going to work!!
Every else fails ,because it does not shield you from the enemy spiritually

Let go of control , the enemy wants control it is his system we are born in it and that includes this physical body.

"The enemy" is not a definition coming from unconditional love, hence if you have "the enemy" left it is a destructive thought/definition that needs to be put in the light of unconditional love, so that it can be debunked. When you start on the road towards peace, in the beginning yes the peace counter force will be the greatest. But the key to overcoming that force is to collectively be at peace and focused on peace, then transform that into peace making actions.

Righteousness creates unconditional love within the soul and body
all other things I have tried!! and it failed.
So I tell you this from experience!!It is like a shield for the soul.
If there was no enemy then there should be peace , but if that is not the case then that should be obvious that it is not.

Righteousness, when it means being in truth and being in unconditional love, then yes it will work. Righteousness, when it means putting conditions on love, then no it won't work, it will just limit and confuse.

Righteousness is a action! Not many have been told that it is required for us to do this daily if you can.
This information is lacking in does who do understand that world is not what it is .
Meaning is that all I needed to focus on , Yep that was what I was missing!! The other is speaking about it which I am doing.

If some one asked for food because they don't have it and you give that is a righteous action.
There are many forms of righteous actions you can do then we have chance otherwise the programmed reality keeps repeating the past.

You can be righteous without being unconditionally loving. But when you are unconditionally loving then you are automatically everything else you need to be, including whatever definition put into righteous. Christ was unconditionally loving in the purest form as a human being here, then forced onto that state of being and that message, were all of the conditions coming from the outside and all of the misinformation about Christ's state of being and message. It is the force of manipulation and conditioning to suppress the truth that has led to the lack of peace in this world. Without Christ we would in this world not have a reference point into what being in true unconditional love is. Christ is our way, our truth and our life.

[Mu2143]

If you have mist it


The only way out of the Matrix (Good Vs Bad) VS (The tree of Life)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86697-The-only-way-out-of-the-Matrix--Good-Vs-Bad--VS--The-tree-of-Life-


The Antichrist is a SPIRIT, and it is one AGAINST CHRIST, meaning that one is opposed to righteous living. The mouth becomes a sword of division and destruction.

[betoobig]

I like it simple. IMO the perfect formula is:
increase in conciousness plus free energy
Much love

[Marikins]

WhiteLove is in righteous service to illustrate what peace on earth would look like and ideas for how to get there. Being righteous is not being inactive but rather acting in a godly way. What is more godly than restoring peace and freedom?

[21g]

I would love to see the Reset Button Movement given a go.

A rabble rouser such as Russell Brand, could well have pushed this approach
recently in the U.K. and gained some real traction. Sadly did nt materialise.

I reckon most western countries would be quick to follow suit.

Hopefully then, most countries would see the need to cooperate and share resources
rather than compete for finite resources. The gameshow approach to the sanctity of life
would quickly fade to be replaced with a grown up competitive spirit. One that competes to serve
their community and fellow man.

A United Nations with teeth, having turfed out the current lot, could be well placed to manage disputes
that arise, that currently, result in destroyed lives and line the pockets of the Arms trade.

I doubt their will be any real peace without justice for everybody. Food, water, shelter, medicine and education
as a basic human right. Then the foundations are in place, a fair crack at life for everybody.

If we competed for resources (well, our governments do ) at a local / family level, the way we do at a national level
it would not be pretty, yet nationally, its currently acceptable.

A Reset Button Movement style approach worldwide, Would remove the elite, create trust ( sorely lacking at the moment ) and
would drastically reduce tensions internationally. I believe this will have to happen eventually or humanity and Gaia will go to
wrack and ruin.

[Bubu]

Changing the outside material world first is in my opinion not the way to go, their minds have to be changed first, I.E less ego more heart, after that the outside world will follow... When you change the outside world first, when the majority are still big egos, will only create more turmoil, in my opinion.

agree 100% peace starts with how people think, Ill go for a brainwashing system. wash the dirty minds and replace with a mind with a heart

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Changing the outside material world first is in my opinion not the way to go, their minds have to be changed first, I.E less ego more heart, after that the outside world will follow... When you change the outside world first, when the majority are still big egos, will only create more turmoil, in my opinion.

The peace makers that are selected by the people of the world, must be at peace themselves. .

absolutely not, it takes a genius to spot a genius

[ghostrider]

Hand a sword and shield to the leader of each nation , say if you cannot or will not get along, meet on open ground, in an open field away from communities , duke it out old school ... Then war might become the last resort ... It would keep warmongers from being in charge for years and years... Problem is they have no skin in the game... Easy to send others off to battle while you get three hot meals, a bed off the ground and no bullets flying over your head while you sleep... I say disarm the entire planet, and return to swords and shields...

[GMB1961]

I was born in 1961, in all my years on this little blue ball, I have been bought up not knowing a world that wasn't it conflict , it is my belief that peace will never happen. It will escalate at the hands of evil doers. I weep for the world and its sense of priority's. I say for prayers for some kind of intervention from the stars or God or some one who would tell us the truth, protect every person and let us live on peacefully. Not to much I thought, what say you?
gLeNn

[greybeard]

I was born in 1961, in all my years on this little blue ball, I have been bought up not knowing a world that wasn't it conflict , it is my belief that peace will never happen. It will escalate at the hands of evil doers. I weep for the world and its sense of priority's. I say for prayers for some kind of intervention from the stars or God or some one who would tell us the truth, protect every person and let us live on peacefully. Not to much I thought, what say you?
gLeNn

I was born 1945
And I can say that there is an uplifting of consciousness --this is the only way to bring peace--an evolution of man kind is under way.
Proof you say??
There are spiritual threads on this forum getting over 2000 guests visiting every week.
Books on self help--enlightenment -non duality are selling in their millions.
This is bound to affect the collective consiousness.

When I first got interested in spirituality the books I bought were not by Westerners but mainly Indian authors, with Indian culture.
Now The English speaking are well catered for
Gandhi said "Be the change you want to see"

I am optimistic.

Chris

[observer]

from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War) - "The earliest evidence of war belongs to the Mesolithic cemetery Site 117, which has been determined to be approximately 14,000 years old. About forty-five percent of the skeletons there displayed signs of violent death. Since the rise of the state some 5,000 years ago, military activity has occurred over much of the globe. The advent of gunpowder and the acceleration of technological advances led to modern warfare. According to Conway W. Henderson, "One source claims that 14,500 wars have taken place between 3500 BC and the late 20th century, costing 3.5 billion lives, leaving only 300 years of peace."

A total of three hundred years of peace, projected over the past 5,500 years. Quite a record to be optimistic over!

Awaken to the realization that we exist in a feeding operation. No amount of positive thinking will make a change, the mechanism is too powerful, and the motivation for that power is too consuming - a feeding operation.

Historically, and into great antiquity, whenever the Mass Consciousness of Humanity reached a point where the Common Reality was about to make a difference, a total restart was triggered, and all timelines were begun anew.

Instead of focusing on a bright new dawn - that has never arrived in the past - those among us who really seek change should be focusing on an exit strategy out of this matrix.

[greybeard]

Its true Observer the only time there has been a lasting peace, apart from the rumoured golden age, is when people were too ill to fight due to disease.
However I think more "individuals" are at peace within.
I do agree with you that for some an exit plan is the best idea.
It is probable that there is a reset periodically.

I watched a BBC Horizon programme years ago about Yellowstone Super Volcano mainly---what I found interesting is that there have been numerous near extinction of humans. They proved this through studying female DNA etc---seemingly they were able to track bottle necks in civilization where the gene pool was greatly reduced. Figures, estimates of population sizes were given and these were in their thousands rather than millions as best I remember.

Im ok with whatever happens and thats possibly down to age and the belief that I am not the body and life is eternal.

Im not head in the sand or indifferent--just do my best to be the change I want to see.

Regards Chris

[observer]

I don't see a great divide between your optimism and the optimism I project, Chris.

I simply have no faith in fixing a system where there is zero possibility of repair. This reality is the way it is for a reason. This is a place to contain the fallen, and keep their psychopathy away from the rest of the multiverse. No individual wishing a change should focus their energies on changing something that can't be fixed.... that shouldn't be fixed.

Rather, it's my suggestion, those among us who are weary of this existence, it's those individuals who should be focusing on returning to the 'Happy Place' from whence we came.

[Clear Light]

I don't see a great divide between your optimism and the optimism I project, Chris.

I simply have no faith in fixing a system where there is zero possibility of repair. This reality is the way it is for a reason. This is a place to contain the fallen, and keep their psychopathy away from the rest of the multiverse. No individual wishing a change should focus their energies on changing something that can't be fixed.... that shouldn't be fixed.

Rather, it's my suggestion, those among us who are weary of this existence, it's those individuals who should be focusing on returning to the 'Happy Place' from whence we came.

Oh go on then I'll bite ... How ?

[observer]

[....snip]
Oh go on then I'll bite ... How ?

If I could tell you the "how", Clear Blue, I wouldn't have spent the past (nearly) 6 years posting about the "why", all the while, suggesting an informed dialogue regarding the "how" be launched.

All I ever get are members regurgitating their "fear porn" mantras. It's obvious to me, most of Humanity is mesmerized in a self perpetuating hypnotic spell.

My message is intended for those among us who can see through the smoke-and-mirrors.

[Clear Light]

[....snip]
Oh go on then I'll bite ... How ?

If I could tell you the "how", Clear Blue, I wouldn't have spent the past (nearly) 6 years posting about the "why", all the while, suggesting an informed dialogue regarding the "how" be launched.

All I ever get are members regurgitating their "fear porn" mantras. It's obvious to me, most of Humanity is mesmerized in a self perpetuating hypnotic spell.

My message is intended for those among us who can see through the smoke-and-mirrors.

Yes it does seem that way however 'you' and 'I' have radically different views as to why that might be eh ?

[araucaria]

There are some major problems with the idea of an “exit strategy from the matrix”, which explains observer’s endless focus on the “why” with nothing to deliver on the “how”.

If this is a place for psychopaths, then this means that anyone here is a fallen psychopath. But if they want out, then they are either not, or no longer, a psychopath. If you are not a psychopath, then you must have a reason for being here; you are not here by accident. An exit strategy would then not be an appropriate response, unless you plan on taking others with you. If you are no longer a psychopath, then that implies that psychopathy is curable, and the little-advertised curability of the disease would be a likely explanation for the presence of non-psychopaths: they/we are working towards getting others out of here.

It is probably a mistake to take the view that a single place can be separated from the rest of the cosmos to accommodate a category of trouble-makers. Separation is the cause of their problem; it is hardly going to be a solution. In other words, supposing it ever served its purpose, the prison planet model is no longer a viable proposition. The idea that nuclear explosions have been disturbing the neighbours is one indication that we are facing a universal problem requiring a universal solution. That would explain the presence on Earth of entities who have possibly never been psychopathic: in Bill Ryan’s words, to “take back the planet”. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85651-Is-the-counterculture-today-doing-a-better-job-than-the-counterculture-in-the-60s-and-70s&p=1004730&viewfull=1#post1004730

Psychopathy is not a monolithic all-or-nothing condition; it is contagious and produces various degrees of contamination from individual to individual. The evil “matrix” is a local, monolithic misconception of something benevolent and nonlocal. See here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material&p=1009380&viewfull=1#post1009380

There is no other place to escape to. That idea is born from the illusion of separation, the same illusion that leads one to believe in an individual solution. We are all in this together, and that includes non-earthlings, which is why they/we are here; here is the only place to be. There is a whole universe to explore, but some people want to be someplace else that doesn’t exist. They are trying to create that place and of course it ain’t going to work.

When someone is clinically depressed, they are physically here, but mentally somewhere else. You can tell them to cheer up and enjoy the sunshine; they don’t even notice that the sun is shining; for them it is all doom and gloom. Imagine a whole bunch of clinically depressed people taking over the planet: they may have their heads in a place “where the sun don’t shine”; but they are the ones who are unaware of the reality all around them. Too many people are listening to their inverted view of reality, and that is what has got to stop. No need for anyone to be going anywhere: this is going to be sorted out right here and right now. More and more people are cheering up.

[greybeard]

I see it really simple.
In my world there is peace--If I can help just one other to find peace then perhaps they will find another to bring peace to and so on.
Im defining peace by lack of violence and a peaceful mind.

The late Dr David Hawkins in "Power vs Force /The hidden determinates of human behaviour" maintained that we have the rulers that equates with the consciousness level of the people of that country. Change of leader is therefore "same old, same old"
Each person that evolves spirituality to the level of enlightenment has a profound affect on the human collective--the spiritual energy at that level is immense--according to Hawkins. He was not naive and was well aware of the negative influence of th lower atral through the media and some forms of music and other "entertainment"

Eckhart Tolle's book "The Power of Now" is well worth a read---it pulls no punches.
We are evolving in consciousness because that's what the "Totality" wants--according to Eckhart.

All is not lost by any means-----in duality.
Nothing to lose in non-duality.

Chris

[Shadowself]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ9gZLW1kvM



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buswvJrO-f8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5-80kZvW60

Just a thought

[Delight]

from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War) - "The earliest evidence of war belongs to the Mesolithic cemetery Site 117, which has been determined to be approximately 14,000 years old. About forty-five percent of the skeletons there displayed signs of violent death. Since the rise of the state some 5,000 years ago, military activity has occurred over much of the globe. The advent of gunpowder and the acceleration of technological advances led to modern warfare. According to Conway W. Henderson, "One source claims that 14,500 wars have taken place between 3500 BC and the late 20th century, costing 3.5 billion lives, leaving only 300 years of peace."

A total of three hundred years of peace, projected over the past 5,500 years. Quite a record to be optimistic over!

Awaken to the realization that we exist in a feeding operation. No amount of positive thinking will make a change, the mechanism is too powerful, and the motivation for that power is too consuming - a feeding operation.

Historically, and into great antiquity, whenever the Mass Consciousness of Humanity reached a point where the Common Reality was about to make a difference, a total restart was triggered, and all timelines were begun anew.

Instead of focusing on a bright new dawn - that has never arrived in the past - those among us who really seek change should be focusing on an exit strategy out of this matrix.

There is already an exit plan. It is called by people here in this experience: death.
I have not had any NDEs to tell me that this experience of "earth" is a very contracted one where it is dense, tight and cramped.
I just know that because I feel it.

I also know from MY experience that there are so many different ways to act every day.
One can look around and see that YES, there may be a matrix but it does not determine us.

War IS a state of mind. I will dare say it: People who are at this moment relishing in any way the pain and suffering of ANY others are in hell on earth. They have severed the root that reaches heaven themselves. There is no way to escape the inner landscape where one loves suffering except by changing one's being.

When the worst thing that can happen to each of US is losing connection to the very roots and ground of our whole being, IMO one should not worry about escaping the matrix and focus on resuming connection. That which is US at a larger level which people without doubt bring back from "near death" is the Same connection we can all make... but it cannot be realized when one is is barricaded behind the defencse of "ever present" war.

[Shadowself]

I once had a blog I used to write called Paradise Road. Given all the turns and twists along the path to peace.

Several years ago, I ran across someone who wrote something and claimed, all of our problems are because of [fill in the blank]. I got angry. I then made a statement in tears and anger. Here it is.

Who am I? I’m a mother of three sons, and two grandchildren. I’m a musician, I’m the one you pass at the market when shopping. I cry at sad movies, and happy endings. I’m the one you honk at while at the traffic light, because I’m changing the radio station and not paying attention to the light. I’m the one who can’t stand to see the starving children in deprived countries. I’m the one who stood by and watched the twin towers fall in disbelief. I’m the one who watched the United States go to war for the sake of oil and power. I’m the one who woke up to the fact that it is all an illusion. One created to use us against each other.

I’m the one who want’s to wake up and find that the illusion is over. That mankind stood up and said , we are through with your lies, we want only the truth and nothing else will be acceptable. We will stop working your war machine, we want nothing to do with your power agendas. We want to see the starvation and suffering ended. We want the children to be nothing but loved. We hold our future dear to us and will not accept your blatant lies. We don’t care about your boarders, we care about our neighbors. We send them love. We bless them with kindness and giving. We will rebuild our future with strength of compassion. Hate is not a word we use in our vocabulary. Giving is our key to success.

Then and only then will the tears I shed turn tears of joy. Then mankind can collect the grand prize. The universal prize of humanity shedding it’s mask of animal behavior. Then we will be able to join the ranks of Sharing universal love of humanity and creation throughout the universe.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdP9zLNuHuM

[observer]

^^^^ To all those commenting above,

Yes, this is just a wonderful place to enjoy one's lifetime, if you aren't that mother sitting in the bombed-out rubble of her home, holding her dead infant, over in Syria right now.

Everything all of you are saying is perfectly accurate, with the exception of one mitigating circumstance. The mantras you are all chanting are the result of Artificial Telepathy. Artificial Telepathy has created our Common Reality since our species' prehistory.

I needn't refresh any of you with the evidence for a program of Artificial Telepathic Technology, dating all the way into great antiquity. What I'm reporting goes against your belief systems. That's the reason all of you follow my comments around the website and denounce what is being reported. None of you are willing to look outside of your comfortable paradigms and wake-up from the trance. You are all chanting mantras that are designed to keep all the doors and windows of your reality shut to the obscene horror going-on just outside of your comfortable boxes.

I will stop responding to your accusations, now. There are others who are willing to investigate the possibilities being offered.

[FinallyNow]

from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War) - "The earliest evidence of war belongs to the Mesolithic cemetery Site 117, which has been determined to be approximately 14,000 years old. About forty-five percent of the skeletons there displayed signs of violent death. Since the rise of the state some 5,000 years ago, military activity has occurred over much of the globe. The advent of gunpowder and the acceleration of technological advances led to modern warfare. According to Conway W. Henderson, "One source claims that 14,500 wars have taken place between 3500 BC and the late 20th century, costing 3.5 billion lives, leaving only 300 years of peace."

A total of three hundred years of peace, projected over the past 5,500 years. Quite a record to be optimistic over!

Awaken to the realization that we exist in a feeding operation. No amount of positive thinking will make a change, the mechanism is too powerful, and the motivation for that power is too consuming - a feeding operation.

Historically, and into great antiquity, whenever the Mass Consciousness of Humanity reached a point where the Common Reality was about to make a difference, a total restart was triggered, and all timelines were begun anew.

Instead of focusing on a bright new dawn - that has never arrived in the past - those among us who really seek change should be focusing on an exit strategy out of this matrix.

I actually, yes actually believe that we are living in the Exit right now. The strategy is rising consciousness in a gradated fashion to trigger latent human traits to slowly become front and center. Another way to see it might be Jungs four stages of life. Athlete, warrior, statement and then spirit are the final stage. Consciousness drives physicality and by jump starting just a percentage beyond the norm the wheel will turn faster and already is. A much higher percentage will be in the 4th stage of spirit even as they perhaps embody the others. It's happening. I can't help but feel it and see it. The time frame is one of the big questions in my opinion. The proposed idea of this thread is a great contribution. It sure isn't pretty but the awakening hearts are.

[greybeard]

Observer Not everyone on the thread is close minded and not everyone has had a cosy, feet at the fireside, TV watching, life.
In fact I doubt any one at Avalon has had a cosy life.

As for the pathless path of Enlightenment--that is so far out of the box and bizarre to many.
Some would say blasphemous, deluded.

You dont seem to want anyone who is not wholly in agreement with your take, to side with any of it.

I have no doubt that there are those that use all kinds of devices to control us---I dont agree that this is 100% effective.

We can agree to disagree.

Regards Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

Observer:

I don't see a great divide between your optimism and the optimism I project, Chris.

I simply have no faith in fixing a system where there is zero possibility of repair. This reality is the way it is for a reason. This is a place to contain the fallen, and keep their psychopathy away from the rest of the multiverse. No individual wishing a change should focus their energies on changing something that can't be fixed.... that shouldn't be fixed.

Rather, it's my suggestion, those among us who are weary of this existence, it's those individuals who should be focusing on returning to the 'Happy Place' from whence we came.

Parent Post

Delight:
There is already an exit plan. It is called by people here in this experience: death.

I'm thinking this too much lately. Everything is nostalgia. Everything's been done. Each generation gets sucked in with the, "I'm different than my parents attitude.", only to end up exactly how and where they were. I see everyone busy with their own concerns, blind to everything else. Why keep going? There is no use. I won't sell out so there is no point to all this.

Then I come home after being away just one night and I see the happiness my presence brings my lady, or even my cat! They are over-joyed I'm back. Or when I see my friends, last meeting could have been years, and we pick up right where we left off, happy as spit to have a chance to hang out together, however briefly. Or when I can do a solid for a customer and they can say, "Wow, you sure are a helpful person.", and then not pay me because a person like me just lives on love, and I get to shrug it off and change my dinner plans to hot dogs again. Those moments when you realize that you are needed, that you are loved and missed are the only thing that keep me going now.

I do not live for me anymore. I live for them. And I wait at home staring at my computer screen, waiting for my next chance to make someone's day so I can feel like I'm alive.

World peace seems like a long way off to me. And it had better be world peace and fair play filled with happiness and abundance or I still don't want any of it.

[Innocent Warrior]

Physical reality is not at all as it seems, not at all. It appears different realities are in conflict but in truth they are not. Two people can have two apparently conflicting views and yet they are both true. We only error when we say what's true for any other.

[Clear Light]

[...]

I needn't refresh any of you with the evidence for a program of Artificial Telepathic Technology, dating all the way into great antiquity. What I'm reporting goes against your belief systems. That's the reason all of you follow my comments around the website and denounce what is being reported. None of you are willing to look outside of your comfortable paradigms and wake-up from the trance.

[...]



Observer : Perhaps it would help the discussion to describe how it is that you have apparently Woken-up whereas others are still Tranced-Out ... by which I mean how were you personally affected by such Technology ? What has been your experience and how did you overcome it (if you have) ?

[Added Note: Ah, I apologise if you have already done so in some other thread]

Now while there's no compulsion to answer these questions, nonetheless, in sharing your own Experiential Insight it may make more of an impression than repeatedly stating what are your own Beliefs again and again ?

I mean no offence and am merely trying to help move the debate on !

[Sungazerer]

These are all metaphors aren't they, useful pointers. I have noticed many now questioning the presentation of our World on their news and asking themselves 'What World do I want to live in?' It is a question of intention, point of focus, and whatever floats your boat the whole conundrum will be encapsulated within. Peace.

[Michelle Marie]

Re: original post...

This is a great vision to hold together in our inner world. The inner is causative and creates the outer. I've spent a lot of time holding the intention and vision of our perfected world-- with the feeling of the essence of being there. This detail helps. Many of us are on the same page. Knowing the power of our inner world, our newly recognized authority, and a firm foundation in the Light. Fear is abolished.

It's restoration time. Genius expression time. Letting go of chemical corporations' and media's attempted control of our minds. Psssssst....they are missing a key ingredient and can NEVER take control. The Light of awareness is outpacing the deeds cloaked in lies and secrecy.

Holding THE vision with love while praying for ALL.
:heart: MM

[observer]

I will not subject myself to an interrogation that includes accusations of being "blasphemous" and "deluded". From my conclusions, based on a lifetime of investigation, I could make similar accusations toward all those who are advocating the channeled philosophies being promoted by so many of my accusers. I will not subject myself to any inquisition, that's the reason I stated in a previous comment, "I will stop responding to your accusations, now. There are others who are willing to investigate the possibilities being offered."

Just for the edification of those who find it so easy to denounce my intentions, here's a reply to a comment I made to Bill Ryan back in July of 2010, over five years ago:



It may very well be. I'd be interested to know what word the Buddhists actually used (i.e. how it was first translated into English). If you do know, please share it... I'd be intrigued.

As best I know, the English word 'Ascension' has Christian origins. Again, I don't know in what version of the Bible the term first appeared.

The problem with the word 'Ascension' as currently used (and misused!) in the New Age community is that if you ask 100 people, you'll get 101 different answers. This is a joke, but you get what I mean.

I buy the following ideas/ concepts:


Enlightenment / nirvana / samsara
Existence as a liberated spiritual being after body death
A general present-time raising of consciousness among people here on Planet Earth.

I do not buy:


Transcendence to another dimension (what dimension, and why?)
People suddenly physically disappearing (can anyone see how silly this is?)
The Earth 'dividing into two' - one Ascended Earth, and another not (again, why?)

I'd invite anyone here to identify the actual sources of these notions. (At least then we could look at who first suggested these ideas, and why.)

From my perspective: in 1961 I was exposed to the work of Edgar Cayce. After nearly fifty years of research into possibly hundreds of seers, clairvoyants, oracles, prophets, transmitters, remote viewers, channelers, and a myriad of other names one might apply to the phenomena, I've come to trust very little information implanted in the mind of another individual through the process of telepathic communication.

Bill, I think the sources of these notions has come to the Mass of Humanity - through the ages - in the form of dogma that has had one ultimate source. The evidence will show all forms of religion dating back into antiquity have been proposed by "prophets" and adopted by the Kings (at any given time in history) as a means to control the Masses. This template can be traced all the way back to Sumer.

The Containment of the Human Species has cleverly continued throughout the known recorded history of the Human Species. Through Sitchin's work, we discover it could possibly go back to the creation of Homo Sapiens some two hundred and fifty thousand years ago.

Through Maxwell and Icke (and many other "hard" researchers), we learn that a draconian reptilian species has controlled this planet since before the Dawn of Man. They have always controlled civilization here on this planet. They continue to control the Mass of Humanity. The evidential trail will lead one only to this conclusion.

They are very clever at what they do....


Re the Giza Pyramids (all three of them, presumably), I'd like to state on record here that I don't feel I know what their function was. I've read many theories, and am not yet definitively convinced by any of them. (It seems self-evident that they are far older than most Egyptologists believe.)

The Great Pyramid at Giza is the one I'm specifically speaking of in this Thread. I know very little about the other structures on the Giza plaza.

There is little, or no evidence (that I'm aware of) to show the Great Pyramid was used for the "ascension" process of individuals, or as a space launch pad, or any of the other preposterous proposals that have appeared in this Thread. The evidence will show it was a "machine" of some sort. I think the conclusions I've made about the properties of that machine are worth looking into....

This is all I care to reply to this interrogation. I have every right to believe the way I do, and I have never denied any other member his right to believe the way they do. You have never seen me making comments in the Spiritual Forums.

Let's all of us just agree to disagree, and allow our comments to one another to go to history.

[greybeard]

Observer Not everyone on the thread is close minded and not everyone has had a cosy, feet at the fireside, TV watching, life.
In fact I doubt any one at Avalon has had a cosy life.

As for the pathless path of Enlightenment--that is so far out of the box and bizarre to many.
Some would say blasphemous, deluded.





You dont seem to want anyone who is not wholly in agreement with your take, to side with any of it.

I have no doubt that there are those that use all kinds of devices to control us---I dont agree that this is 100% effective.

We can agree to disagree.

Regards Chris

Observer you have misunderstood

Its my path "highlighted" that could be seen in that light.

You are not the accused, but I could be for having out of the box beliefs.

Best wishes

Chris

[Shadowself]

Everything all of you are saying is perfectly accurate, with the exception of one mitigating circumstance. The mantras you are all chanting are the result of Artificial Telepathy. Artificial Telepathy has created our Common Reality since our species' prehistory.
Nothing I said came from any form of artificial telepathy. It was a sincere desire expressed on a humane level of coexistence that drew such a desire.

So when you decide to group peoples ideas and opinions and formulate your own...just realize that is exactly that...your own formulation.

I live in a world of reality that is stark and it does indeed need to change. Where do you live? Artificial reality? I'm well aware of the reality of war. So don't use a paint brush when generalizing such ideas. You don't know me or my reality enough to determine if it artificial or not.

On that note war has a huge mantra of freedom and thus a generalized form of struggle and death goes with it.

What have you done about War and Freedom?

Ahhhh...Knowing Freedom

To know freedom..one must understand bondage. Because how active will you be coming from complacency?....Sitting in front of your computer..looking for the next new best thread. This is not to say you are not trying to do your part...however

With Freedom comes responsibility;

Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

Are you waiting for the next best man, or political figure to come along and make another dead promise?

The power to choose Freedom and Utopia

"Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom." We have heard that many times. What is also the price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections. If everything that is wrong with the world becomes a reason to turn more power over to some political savior, then freedom is going to erode while we are mindlessly repeating the catchwords of the hour, whether "change," "universal health care" or "social justice."

What we strive for , a "utopia" society structure with perfection...how to create perfection?

Let's go back to square one. The universe was not made to our specifications. Nor were human beings. So there is nothing surprising in the fact that we are dissatisfied with many things at many times. The big question is whether we are prepared to follow any politician who claims to be able to "solve" our "problem."

If we are, then there will be a never-ending series of "solutions," each causing new problems calling for still more "solutions."

Therein lies the never-ending quest, costing ever increasing amounts of the taxpayers' money and ever greater losses of your freedom to live your own life as you see fit, rather than as presumptuous elites dictate, driven by power and greed ..don't forget where the power elite play their game..Ultimately, our choice is to give up Utopian quests or give up our freedom. This has been recognized for centuries by some, but many others have not yet faced that reality, even today. If you think government should "do something" about anything that ticks you off, or anything you want and don't have, then you have made your choice between Utopia and freedom.
You have given your power to choose away to the very people who have taken it away.

Food for thought...the illusive utopia does exist..where does it exist?
Think harder...it the mind of every one...in the KNOWING it does exist...but for who..and where..and when is the choice we must decide

BE the Change you to see in the world! (now there's a mantra)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ9gZLW1kvM

[araucaria]

Dear observer, you are here among friends, and you don’t even notice! You may not be suffering from personal depression, but you certainly appear to be suffering from the existential variety that comes from spending too much time down the rabbithole. We have all been there and recognize the symptoms. It is very laudable for you to claim you have been down there for a lifetime, but the longer it has been the more worrying it becomes. As I have said before, conspiracy research is bad for one’s health. See http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86341-The-Final-ET-Message-to-Earth-by-Jon-Rappoport&p=1014214&viewfull=1#post1014214 . Why? Because one tends to become like a prosecuting attorney amassing evidence to corroborate his client’s story (corroboration is good and scientific, right?), while ignoring copious evidence to the contrary that the court will also be weighing up before possibly dismissing the case.

But I also know a little from experience about personal depression, which is related to grief, i.e. coming to terms with an irreparable loss. Let me tell you something about that. As I’ve mentioned before, I encountered personal loss at a very early age when my mother died. Such things happen, no evil conspiracy required. As a teen I suffered bouts of depression, probably because it is a time when you are learning to live without mother, so I was getting a double ration of that. Someone understanding reached out and as a result I first came to live in France when I was still only 17. You can imagine that for a young student working a 45-hour week as a manual labourer in a foreign country was no walk in the park, and it took some time and effort and imagination to get from there to the “happy place” I eventually found. This was all before I discovered how forbidding a place this planet really is in many ways. How I made that discovery and how it relates to the personal matter is recounted in this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84692-Proof-of-time-travel-by-Jane-Tripp&p=1014637&viewfull=1#post1014637

How one comes out of depression I’m not sure, but of this I’m certain: the original circumstances and cause remain unchanged (from our current perspective, the loss is truly irreparable); what changes is one’s outlook: a form of optimism, meaning making the best of a “bad job”. If one has contemplated suicide, however briefly and distantly just from a philosophical standpoint, this is the choice that has to be made in some shape or form. Simply, “To be or not to be” has changed from being one individual’s issue to a collective issue for humanity. When Hamlet talks of “rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of”, you may think that my above experience was a nonlethal form of suicide, a kind of NDE from which one is sent back. This is what I meant by saying there is no place to go (yet). One’s reality is here and now: you just have to deal with it. Anything else is escapism.

In other words, the change of outlook I was talking about comes through adding a whole new dimension or perspective, which is to “step outside of” or “above” one’s “reality” of the moment and see it for a “fiction” within a greater “reality” – using quotes around words that are only roughly adequate. This is how “serious” becomes “laughter”, and an evil situation becomes just a bad dream. You are no longer cut off in your own private hell. Hell is not “other people”; it is separation from other people. The biggest myth about the “cabal” is that “evil” people get on with each other in any meaningful way; they do not. “Hell is other people” is true for them, but they are not talking about people in the sense that we do; they themselves are not/no longer people to our understanding of the word. They are entities more or less entirely consumed by a non-living “archontic” contagion. That is all that holds the “cabal” together, giving an illusion of concerted action. “They are very clever at what they do”, you have been saying for six years? No sir, they are totally dumb zombies, which is why one cannot get through to them – like suicide bombers on a mission.

You have a point about certain love-and-lighters, who are talking the talk, but likely haven’t gone through the long painful process of walking the walk. Last night on TV, there was a restaurant-owner whose wife died in his arms and who lost several staff and friends in the attacks as well. He was saying he had his daughter and business to look after, and all was well. His psychologist was with him and explained how this showed he was in a bad state of shock. http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2015/11/17/video-la-belle-equipe-charonne-patron-gregory-reibenberg-13-novembre-paris-_n_8579930.html So that was a statement, not of where he is, but of where he ultimately needs to be. The grieving process is the unavoidable path from where he’s at to where he needs to be, from just saying to doing. When Greybeard denies the cosy life, he is talking for himself and for others from a standpoint of having been through personal experience, as opposed to simply learning to make the right noises. Actually, as a Jew married to a Muslim, I think this man was probably doing more than just making the right noises and knows what he is talking about…

I’d be very surprised, observer, if you thought this concerns you in any way; coming round to that idea is the hard part. It is only natural when one feels alone to… feel alone; the only way out is to accept contradiction from someone telling you you are not alone. This difficulty is why places like Avalon are so useful: people here reach out indiscriminately to anyone and everyone, and so it is easier to break down that barrier. If not you, some reader will surely find this useful; so please take it from me, I am not talking about you at all. Let’s just thank you for this opportunity to put this out for whomever it may concern.

[Rusalka]

Offering an alternative to all the false flag claims and non stop watching of the news from Paris, analyzing every detail. Let us divert our attention and therefore manifestation a little bit, shall we?

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[observer]

Yes araucaria, how perfectly silly of me; a fool such as I. Of course, you must be right.... it's depression.... and possibly because my mommy didn't properly potty train me. I should listen to all those calming voices of reason. How could I ever consider walking into a crowded room of peaceful souls, yelling "fire" - never mind the exit doors are all ablaze. Of course, you are right.

I should just go back to my room and listen to all those many channels to whom I spent so many years of my adult life believing. How correct you all are when you chant, "our reality is created by our individual thoughts". This all makes perfect sense to me now. How could I ever have doubted it all.

Everybody, just ignore observer's anti-social tendencies.... He's just a bit delusional.... Everybody, just breath deeply.... Keep moving, there's nothing to see here....

Puff....

[Delight]

It is only natural when one feels alone to… feel alone; the only way out is to accept contradiction from someone telling you you are not alone. This difficulty is why places like Avalon are so useful: people here reach out indiscriminately to anyone and everyone, and so it is easier to break down that barrier. If not you, some reader will surely find this useful; so please take it from me, I am not talking about you at all. Let’s just thank you for this opportunity to put this out for whomever it may concern.

Thank you for sharing so much of yourself. I know how feeling alone does just what you say...leads to more feeling alone. Thanks. Maggie

[araucaria]

It is only natural when one feels alone to… feel alone; the only way out is to accept contradiction from someone telling you you are not alone. This difficulty is why places like Avalon are so useful: people here reach out indiscriminately to anyone and everyone, and so it is easier to break down that barrier. If not you, some reader will surely find this useful; so please take it from me, I am not talking about you at all. Let’s just thank you for this opportunity to put this out for whomever it may concern.

Thank you for sharing so much of yourself. I know how feeling alone does just what you say...leads to more feeling alone. Thanks. Maggie
Thank you Maggie, that's all right. Observer's reaction, on the other hand, would be extremely hurtful if I didn't have at least some idea where he is coming from, so that's all right too, and as I said, not unexpected.

[ulli]

In 1983 I thought that I had found the road to peace when I joined the Baha'i community. The main keyword was "unity", or rather "unity in diversity", but I soon found out that there was too much push for uniforminity. Too much for my liking, anyway. And who were all those people who managed to take control of the rest? And why did they push to spread the teachings only to the least educated? Because that way they maintained the control they were seeking. So much for equal rights!
Anyway, I became more cynical each year. And disillusioned. Having been raised on a farm which was surrounded by bomb craters by a German mother who had been in a Russian POW camp with all the psychological fall-out such a destiny could produce I sought for my mission. In my immature stage I thought it was to escape unhappiness by making money and join the ranks of the rich and famous. After getting a more spiritual vision of life I became a seeker, and like observer started investigating metaphysical stuff. In my early twenties I found all sorts of metaphysical books for which London was a treasure trove.
But then came the doubts in their authenticity. Few teachings really cut it, or convinced me. And I remember the day that I began to wonder if Baha'u'llah's message was not just a telepathic implant from some secret societies. Or some ET, the same one that was behind the other Abrahamic religions.
Yes, there is telepathy. Lots of evidence to support that. But can one trust that promise of world peace?
Will an education of political correctness ensure that there will be no more wars?
My hunch now is that only the artificial lowering of testosterone levels in men and estrogen changes in women can make a dent in this old paradigm.

[araucaria]

But can one trust that promise of world peace?
“Promise” suggests a two-stage process of saying and doing. Mind that gap! You can’t have a piece of Peace, you just enter it as one state, no gaps, no empty promises, no need for trust in the future. It is trust right now.

My hunch now is that only the artificial lowering of testosterone levels in men and estrogen changes in women can make a dent in this old paradigm.
This might help, yes. And also the lowering of captogen levels in certain populations, including but by no means limited to terrorists.
http://xrdarabia.org/2009/05/05/the-saudi-drug-problem/

[ulli]

But can one trust that promise of world peace?
“Promise” suggests a two-stage process of saying and doing. Mind that gap! You can’t have a piece of Peace, you just enter it as one state, no gaps, no empty promises, no need for trust in the future. It is trust right now.

My hunch now is that only the artificial lowering of testosterone levels in men and estrogen changes in women can make a dent in this old paradigm.
This might help, yes. And also the lowering of captogen levels in certain populations, including but by no means limited to terrorists.
http://xrdarabia.org/2009/05/05/the-saudi-drug-problem/

I followed the link and it appears that captogen acts like an amphetamine would.
The fact that such a large part of the population want to boost their performance levels tells me that the cultural pressure is such that many people feel the need to keep up with that pressure. So, actually, without that artificial boost they may be more docile and hence less prone to go on a war path.
So, who supplies them?
Reminded again of Terrence McKenna's words: "culture is not your friend."

[araucaria]

But can one trust that promise of world peace?
“Promise” suggests a two-stage process of saying and doing. Mind that gap! You can’t have a piece of Peace, you just enter it as one state, no gaps, no empty promises, no need for trust in the future. It is trust right now.

My hunch now is that only the artificial lowering of testosterone levels in men and estrogen changes in women can make a dent in this old paradigm.
This might help, yes. And also the lowering of captogen levels in certain populations, including but by no means limited to terrorists.
http://xrdarabia.org/2009/05/05/the-saudi-drug-problem/

I followed the link and it appears that captogen acts like an amphetamine would.
The fact that such a large part of the population want to boost their performance levels tells me that the cultural pressure is such that many people feel the need to keep up with that pressure. So, actually, without that artificial boost they may be more docile and hence less prone to go on a war path.
So, who supplies them?
Reminded again of Terrence McKenna's words: "culture is not your friend."
It removes fear and empathy, and is produced chiefly in Lebanon and now Syria

http://www.liberation.fr/planete/2015/07/02/le-captagon-une-drogue-au-service-du-jihad_1341671

[greybeard]

I very much get what you are saying Ulli. Any religious community will eventually spawn leadership--for the best possible reasons no doubt.

For myself non-duality does it --there is a wealth of teaching--ancient and modern ---without any hierarchy---buildings--collections.
You move at your own pace---you can have or not have a teacher.
All your own choice--whatever you are led to and that will evolve and change--you are not stuck with your original choice of teaching--teacher.
For me this has proven to be a road to peace.
The proof is that I now have a peaceful fairly quiet mind and a nature that is ok with myself and others.
Challenges abound but they seem to resolve them selves in the main.
This teacher helped greatly.


"To endeavor to evolve spiritually is the greatest gift one can give. It actually uplifts all mankind from within because of the nature of power itself. Power radiates and is shared...All society is subliminally and subtly influenced by every kind and loving thought, word, or deed. Every forgiveness is a benefit to everyone."

Quoting
The Eye of the I pg 204
Written by the late Dr David Hawkins

Great book, I can recommend it.
Best wishes
Chris

[ulli]

I very much get what you are saying Ulli. Any religious community will eventually spawn leadership--for the best possible reasons no doubt.

For myself non-duality does it --there is a wealth of teaching--ancient and modern ---without any hierarchy---buildings--collections.
You move at your own pace---you can have or not have a teacher.
All your own choice--whatever you are led to and that will evolve and change--you are not stuck with your original choice of teaching--teacher.
For me this has proven to be a road to peace.
The proof is that I now have a peaceful fairly quiet mind and a nature that is ok with myself and others.
Challenges abound but they seem to resolve them selves in the main.
This teacher helped greatly.


"To endeavor to evolve spiritually is the greatest gift one can give. It actually uplifts all mankind from within because of the nature of power itself. Power radiates and is shared...All society is subliminally and subtly influenced by every kind and loving thought, word, or deed. Every forgiveness is a benefit to everyone."

Quoting
The Eye of the I pg 204
Written by the late Dr David Hawkins

Great book, I can recommend it.
Best wishes
Chris

I used to lurk on a number of non-duality forums.
None exist today, as all the members ended up accusing one another of still being in duality.
I was quite ironic. That's where my ideas were born; re. testosterone being the culprit.

[Skyhaven]

Castrated dogs will bite just as hard when treated badly...

[greybeard]

I very much get what you are saying Ulli. Any religious community will eventually spawn leadership--for the best possible reasons no doubt.

For myself non-duality does it --there is a wealth of teaching--ancient and modern ---without any hierarchy---buildings--collections.
You move at your own pace---you can have or not have a teacher.
All your own choice--whatever you are led to and that will evolve and change--you are not stuck with your original choice of teaching--teacher.
For me this has proven to be a road to peace.
The proof is that I now have a peaceful fairly quiet mind and a nature that is ok with myself and others.
Challenges abound but they seem to resolve them selves in the main.
This teacher helped greatly.


"To endeavor to evolve spiritually is the greatest gift one can give. It actually uplifts all mankind from within because of the nature of power itself. Power radiates and is shared...All society is subliminally and subtly influenced by every kind and loving thought, word, or deed. Every forgiveness is a benefit to everyone."

Quoting
The Eye of the I pg 204
Written by the late Dr David Hawkins

Great book, I can recommend it.
Best wishes
Chris

I used to lurk on a number of non-duality forums.
None exist today, as all the members ended up accusing one another of still being in duality.
I was quite ironic. That's where my ideas were born; re. testosterone being the culprit.

Yes I get that too Ulli---the thread here, which is loosely non-duality, (enlightenment and related matters) has been going God only knows how many years without a cross word.
Good company and just a few regular participants.
What ever works--in that respect we are all different.

Regards Chris

[Calz]

Much wisdom shared ... diverse ... polar in some cases ... paradoxical???

I don't know ... the more I learn the more I understand that humbling fact.

Where do the "voices in the head" come from???

Some are sought ... others simply come.


http://www.trulygraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/i-hear-voices-in-my-head.jpg


My friend observer makes some good points ... the odds of peace seem to rank right up there with the lotto winners.

... and yet ...

Chris mentions David Hawkins who I have read much of.

I also popped for one of his audio works and probably what impressed me most of all (perhaps cuz I could hear his voice, inflection and sincerity) was when he said:


*everything* is *exactly* as it should be ...


That has always stuck with me (although the vast majority of my "new age" book collection has not).


Peace???


Perhaps that isn't what we are here to learn???


Regardless ... since there is such a massive organized push by the NWO to instigate "WW3" (against Islam) I will post this by Cat Stevens (prior to changing his name along with his priorities in life).


Just cuz I can and like balance ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLG91tOLPdQ

[greybeard]

Yes Claz--it seems The Universe--The Totality brings everything about.
There is a move in human consciousness towards peace.
Much compassion is shown for those deserving it.
Not that much hate--get even--etc is actually being shown.
So thats a definite improvement.

Through the Internet people are becoming aware that others are just like them.
Easier to hate a faceless enemy than see the havoc brought about by some in the name of peace by our own country.
That is changing people are beginning to awaken to the point of questioning--"What is really going on here??"
Main media is no longer believed automatically.
Some media men are actually beginning to question what is going on.
We no longer see our country as being the good guy.

There is hope and there is evidence enough to sustain and justify that hope.

Chris

[Delight]

None exist today, as all the members ended up accusing one another of still being in duality.
I was quite ironic. That's where my ideas were born; re. testosterone being the culprit.

I think you are correct about the effects of testosterone.

I know that this may be off topic for some but I consider this work here described on C2C to be about what we are doing here as people who observe a planet whole scale. We also observe on a small scale and how can we have peace? Everyone I admire points me in the direction of "becoming peace". But how do we achieve that? IMO, we did not know how to achieve that and we're here for the purpose to learn to create changes in matter based on changing OUR Mind.

We also are not fully feeling connected to being "the One". To me that is the nonduality talk versus "experience" I do not want to talk the talk divorced form experience. None of us do...we want to be the real thing. We are learning this as a whole. Individually is the way through practice. BUT information is for the mind. Talk cannot suffice but it can tease.

If we know that through practice we are energy and information that creates, we are definitely not as attached to the outcome of any momentary events. If one does not know, one will react. I will experience an affect of circumstances imagined in chains of events.

My family has members who seriously think we could just "nuke" the middle east to solve the problems. Testosterone hate.
That is so far off my chart as to make communication impossible. And what of the ping pong where hate triggers action that leads to more hate and more action. I see all that as being matters we must separate out from to change. So, since we are here and since we have the inkling FOR peace, IMO that is the Big Top Show and we the stars.

We are each on such different paths that it almost proves to me that the world is not meant to be "real". It is meant to stretch us to the max. I am so far from peaceful myself that I cannot judge the emotions of "war".

On the other hand, if I was asked to shoot someone, I know that I would refuse. I know I am afraid of pain, not death but I will not lower my standard to save the body.. I doubt terrorism's purpose can be brainwashed into my psyche. I have too much information that is a larger context to act out now. That to me is progress....

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From the video
"Subjective mind has an effect on the objective world.
(then there is explanation of how the field of energy collapses to particle "collapsing the wave function")
Somebody's mind (the observer) observing that affect caused energy to collapse into matter.
When they turned away that particle turned back into energy. (That is called a quantum event).

Physicists agree it works on the very small (micro) but we are macro.
We are "particularized" on a macro scale in our physical focus.
Dr. Dispenza suggests from in his research, we are all more "matter" and less "energy" in awareness.
he suggests that when one is caught in material focus, one cannot exert much influence on the creation of matter
Energy to matter creates, not matter to matter.

[Skyhaven]

Well yes, when you view a human being as a machine soley acting upon chemistry... I personally believe there is a bit more to it than that.

[Skyhaven]

Ps why do people in these kinds of discussions only thank the ones they agree with... I say, thank you all for your perspectives!!!

[greybeard]

Ps why do people in these kinds of discussions only thank the ones they agree with... I say, thank you all for your perspectives!!!
Not guilty--smiling.
I agree with you---I sometimes just thank people because they took the effort to post and yes opposing views widen my perspective and are thanked too.
If I feel like disagreeing I will say so, but still thank the other for their response.
We are on the same page Skyhaven.

Chris

[Delight]

Well yes, when you view a human being as a machine soley acting upon chemistry... I personally believe there is a bit more to it than that.

I just want to throw in an idea about the material uncovered by Joe Dispenza. First off, YES, we are totally machine-like IF we are just at the mercy of the body mind. Dispenza suggests that the body is the "unconscious" mind itself that has memorized a set of patterns and reacts through changes in biochemistry.

That is not all there is of us, he talks about going to an aspect of self where we are no body, nothing, no one. It is the field. From there we gain attention for our ability to set up new conditions of biochemistry of "our machine". It enlarges into very strange metaphysical experiences of healing, of gaining 360 degree awareness, changing one's reality experience.....all just now being learned.

It is likely that many humans are totally controlled by this condition where the body mind is in a primarily programmed state.

The work here is about our consciousness awakening in the body. It is definitely not about "just being chemistry cascades at work". The body mind operates in a state of unconscious reaction unless we are able to direct the process. He did it himself when his back was broken. Very intriguing information IMO but one has to do the work.

[Skyhaven]

Well yes, when you view a human being as a machine soley acting upon chemistry... I personally believe there is a bit more to it than that.

I just want to throw in an idea about the material uncovered by Joe Dispenza. First off, YES, we are totally machine-like IF we are just at the mercy of the body mind. Dispenza suggests that the body is the "unconscious" mind itself that has memorized a set of patterns and reacts through changes in biochemistry.

That is not all there is of us, he talks about going to an aspect of self where we are no body, nothing, no one. It is the field. From there we gain attention for our ability to set up new conditions of biochemistry of "our machine". It enlarges into very strange metaphysical experiences of healing, of gaining 360 degree awareness, changing one's reality experience.....all just now being learned.

It is likely that many humans are totally controlled by this condition where the body mind is in a primarily programmed state.

The work here is about our consciousness awakening in the body. It is definitely not about "just being chemistry cascades at work". The body mind operates in a state of unconscious reaction unless we are able to direct the process. He did it himself when his back was broken. Very intriguing information IMO but one has to do the work.

Wow great post!

I agree, for many it's very rough to break through the default state of their biochemical make-up. But I believe ones consciousness is leading for the creation of a particular biochemical makeup. Consciousness is a briljant chemist you see. It guides every cell division and every heartbeat, and it knows very well what is doing when its making testosterone. There is a reason why things turn out as they do, there is a plan when you come in, and consciousness embraces the dark side just as much as the light side to get the job done, I believe.

The question is will you embrace the dark side? See that the light is by virtue of the dark.

Can you forgive god(yourself) for the horrors?

[Delight]

Well yes, when you view a human being as a machine soley acting upon chemistry... I personally believe there is a bit more to it than that.

I just want to throw in an idea about the material uncovered by Joe Dispenza. First off, YES, we are totally machine-like IF we are just at the mercy of the body mind. Dispenza suggests that the body is the "unconscious" mind itself that has memorized a set of patterns and reacts through changes in biochemistry.

That is not all there is of us, he talks about going to an aspect of self where we are no body, nothing, no one. It is the field. From there we gain attention for our ability to set up new conditions of biochemistry of "our machine". It enlarges into very strange metaphysical experiences of healing, of gaining 360 degree awareness, changing one's reality experience.....all just now being learned.

It is likely that many humans are totally controlled by this condition where the body mind is in a primarily programmed state.

The work here is about our consciousness awakening in the body. It is definitely not about "just being chemistry cascades at work". The body mind operates in a state of unconscious reaction unless we are able to direct the process. He did it himself when his back was broken. Very intriguing information IMO but one has to do the work.

Wow great post!

I agree, for many it's very rough to break through the default state of their biochemical make-up. But I believe ones consciousness is leading for the creation of a particular biochemical makeup. Consciousness is a briljant chemist you see. It guides every cell division and every heartbeat, and it knows very well what is doing when its making testosterone. There is a reason why things turn out as they do, there is a plan when you come in, and consciousness embraces the dark side just as much as the light side to get the job done, I believe.

The question is will you embrace the dark side? See that the light is by virtue of the dark.

Can you forgive god(yourself) for the horrors?

I feel kind of on fire tonight so I am writing a lot.

I amfeeling into my theory that we are living out the culmination of a wholeexperiment by consciousness. I embrace that we are all forever and that this experience here is part of that trip. I believe that having this shadow is golden and black. We have projected our goodness away from us. People who are ill have been found to have beliefs that they should be ill. But these beliefs surface when ILL. So being ill is the trigger for an opportunity to see one chooses health. then in the placebo effect, the determintion to be well is projected onto a "medicine" and we are well again after taking the placebo.

It has been documented that WE are the placebo.

The black shadow that we hide becomes our enemy. I think forgiveness is releasing the enemy. The blackness is all in the past as memory and IF we can forget it, the black is neutralized. Consciousness is moving us forward away from the program as we forgive it. So yes, let's embrace the shadow and love it into nothing.

That feels peaceful.

[araucaria]

Ps why do people in these kinds of discussions only thank the ones they agree with... I say, thank you all for your perspectives!!!
It is a valid basic use of the thanks button to acknowledge something you might have said yourself. I often do this on threads in which I take no part other than to express agreement without disturbing the flow. In this thread, I thanked observer for a post I didn’t like at all with the button and I thanked him in words as well.

Since this doesn’t seem to go without saying, let me reiterate an earlier post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=976508&viewfull=1#post976508 I welcome discussion, to the point of preferring a forum to writing alone, and responding to posts to starting threads.

I value discussion as opposed to contradiction. When observer criticizes other people’s mantras with mantras of his own, that is contradiction. When he criticizes me with that sort of non-argument, I further object because I personally take pains with every post to say something slightly new or find a new formulation for something already stated. If this leads to an ultimately positive core message that is increasingly solid, that is the opposite of a mantra, which is the repetition of a pre-established “truth” by some disembodied messenger. Here the core message comes under constant reappraisal and examination, resulting in reinforcement of those aspects of that message that will stand the test of constant reappraisal and examination.

Despite this lack of argument, I have persisted with observer more than most, because since discussion of his material is impossible, i.e. requires prior agreement with his findings, he nonetheless continues to post, thereby inviting discussion as to why he should do that. This he perceives as an ad hominem attack. It may be ad hominem, but it is not an attack, any more than my above self-disclosure is a self-hating attack. It is an expression of concern by one human being for another, which is the basic modus operandi of this forum. That is the core message for world peace that we are practising here – in both senses of the word: both “getting the hang of it” and “as opposed to preaching”. This means that as long as no one is getting hurt, people can say whatever comes into their head without getting it bitten off. We are dealing in ad hominem protection.

The difficulty comes with that content. All communication sits somewhere along a spectrum ranging from 100% to 0% hard information. I think the present discussion is, as often happens, over where we should be along that spectrum. The idea of aiming at a high signal-to-noise ratio is all well and good, but it is not quite that simple. You see, a high signal-to-noise ratio is also the trademark of dogmatism and any kind of authoritarianism, and over-seriousness in general. Hoaxes, false alarms, jokes and other illusions result from a misunderstanding in these terms, overestimating the message and underestimating the medium. The very idea of “noise” is pejorative, derived from the Latin “nausea”, and related to “nuisance”; and yet the happiest times and places are usually the noisiest, something we in France are very good at :) – and not just in bars, restaurants, concert halls and football stadia…
See this post:

Maybe Samwise was only pretending to be serious, maybe not. Either way, he is going to get a serious response. :heh:

Duality is present in the language we use to communicate. Indeed communication involves two different things. First, we communicate information; one extreme example of this would be a flight controller talking to a pilot coming in to land: every syllable is calculated to achieve that one goal. On the other hand, we use language for social bonding (‘phatic communion’ is the technical name for this). In extreme cases, it is not what you say that counts, but the way you say it. Imagine Marilyn Monroe reading a shopping list, or a social gathering where, if you get into the spirit of things, you could probably tell a stranger that you had just murdered the wife and buried her in the garden, and they wouldn’t bat an eyelid.

Most of the time, we are somewhere in between these two extremes. A scientific presentation is heavily information-oriented, but if no effort is made to accommodate the listener, it will be as dry as dust. At the other end, talking to a tiny baby could be just gurgling together, but often we express our feelings in words, which is the start of the information-gathering process. Or sweet nothings exchanged by young lovers might move into the technical question of the exact colour of her eyes.

A holistic view of this spectrum, the equivalent to white light in relation to the colours of the rainbow, would be to say that the need to communicate at all is always because you value the other person. That is the subtext even for the flight controller, whose task being after all to keep planeloads of people alive and safe, is ultimately the same as the mother’s looking after her child. The medical doctor ideally combines both: the technical side with colleagues and the bedside manner with patients.

The danger lies in the tendency we all have to restrict our thinking to the small band along this spectrum which is our own comfort zone, and cutting ourselves off from the rest. Any pair of opposites, male-female, science-arts, will fit in with this setup. Someone with a scientific, information-based leaning will be learning to express themselves with more feeling, and the spouse of such a person will likely be doing the opposite. Light-hearted conversation is the bedrock of any serious relationship and is ultimately what makes serious discussion with diverging views at all possible. As I was saying a while back, the Here & Now thread has made a huge contribution to the overall quality of discussion on the forum. It is not by chance that Ulli and Carmody are members capable of embracing the full spectrum; that is what we honour by blowing out candles, posting cat pictures and cheering each other on.

[Skyhaven]

Delight, That's it!

The problem is that many are at war with the dark part of life, they fight against it, and push it away, and by the same force they push it away it returns back to them. The solution lies in embracing the dark side, and it's very subtle, and in every corner of existence.

Take for instance our little wars here at Avalon. We tend to use the thank you button as a tool for that, as an I agree-with-you button, but really how can we not embrace the dis-agreeers by not thanking them. So even on this small scale, many CHOOSE war, by fighting against the "dark side", being disagreement in this case.

[Skyhaven]

Ps why do people in these kinds of discussions only thank the ones they agree with... I say, thank you all for your perspectives!!!
It is a valid basic use of the thanks button to acknowledge something you might have said yourself. I often do this on threads in which I take no part other than to express agreement without disturbing the flow. In this thread, I thanked observer for a post I didn’t like at all with the button and I thanked him in words as well.

Since this doesn’t seem to go without saying, let me reiterate an earlier post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=976508&viewfull=1#post976508 I welcome discussion, to the point of preferring a forum to writing alone, and responding to posts to starting threads.

I value discussion as opposed to contradiction. When observer criticizes other people’s mantras with mantras of his own, that is contradiction. When he criticizes me with that sort of non-argument, I further object because I personally take pains with every post to say something slightly new or find a new formulation for something already stated. If this leads to an ultimately positive core message that is increasingly solid, that is the opposite of a mantra, which is the repetition of a pre-established “truth” by some disembodied messenger. Here the core message comes under constant reappraisal and examination, resulting in reinforcement of those aspects of that message that will stand the test of constant reappraisal and examination.

Despite this lack of argument, I have persisted with observer more than most, because since discussion of his material is impossible, i.e. requires prior agreement with his findings, he nonetheless continues to post, thereby inviting discussion as to why he should do that. This he perceives as an ad hominem attack. It may be ad hominem, but it is not an attack, any more than my above self-disclosure is a self-hating attack. It is an expression of concern by one human being for another, which is the basic modus operandi of this forum. That is the core message for world peace that we are practising here – in both senses of the word: both “getting the hang of it” and “as opposed to preaching”. This means that as long as no one is getting hurt, people can say whatever comes into their head without getting it bitten off. We are dealing in ad hominem protection.

The difficulty comes with that content. All communication sits somewhere along a spectrum ranging from 100% to 0% hard information. I think the present discussion is, as often happens, over where we should be along that spectrum. The idea of aiming at a high signal-to-noise ratio is all well and good, but it is not quite that simple. You see, a high signal-to-noise ratio is also the trademark of dogmatism and any kind of authoritarianism, and over-seriousness in general. Hoaxes, false alarms, jokes and other illusions result from a misunderstanding in these terms, overestimating the message and underestimating the medium. The very idea of “noise” is pejorative, derived from the Latin “nausea”, and related to “nuisance”; and yet the happiest times and places are usually the noisiest, something we in France are very good at :) – and not just in bars, restaurants, concert halls and football stadia…
See this post:

Maybe Samwise was only pretending to be serious, maybe not. Either way, he is going to get a serious response. :heh:

Duality is present in the language we use to communicate. Indeed communication involves two different things. First, we communicate information; one extreme example of this would be a flight controller talking to a pilot coming in to land: every syllable is calculated to achieve that one goal. On the other hand, we use language for social bonding (‘phatic communion’ is the technical name for this). In extreme cases, it is not what you say that counts, but the way you say it. Imagine Marilyn Monroe reading a shopping list, or a social gathering where, if you get into the spirit of things, you could probably tell a stranger that you had just murdered the wife and buried her in the garden, and they wouldn’t bat an eyelid.

Most of the time, we are somewhere in between these two extremes. A scientific presentation is heavily information-oriented, but if no effort is made to accommodate the listener, it will be as dry as dust. At the other end, talking to a tiny baby could be just gurgling together, but often we express our feelings in words, which is the start of the information-gathering process. Or sweet nothings exchanged by young lovers might move into the technical question of the exact colour of her eyes.

A holistic view of this spectrum, the equivalent to white light in relation to the colours of the rainbow, would be to say that the need to communicate at all is always because you value the other person. That is the subtext even for the flight controller, whose task being after all to keep planeloads of people alive and safe, is ultimately the same as the mother’s looking after her child. The medical doctor ideally combines both: the technical side with colleagues and the bedside manner with patients.

The danger lies in the tendency we all have to restrict our thinking to the small band along this spectrum which is our own comfort zone, and cutting ourselves off from the rest. Any pair of opposites, male-female, science-arts, will fit in with this setup. Someone with a scientific, information-based leaning will be learning to express themselves with more feeling, and the spouse of such a person will likely be doing the opposite. Light-hearted conversation is the bedrock of any serious relationship and is ultimately what makes serious discussion with diverging views at all possible. As I was saying a while back, the Here & Now thread has made a huge contribution to the overall quality of discussion on the forum. It is not by chance that Ulli and Carmody are members capable of embracing the full spectrum; that is what we honour by blowing out candles, posting cat pictures and cheering each other on.

Let us just embrace the trolls and say thank you, and not engage in any kind of war, because at the root of troll-behavior, and I tell you every one has an inner troll, lie little gestures like only supporting the ones you like, or agree with...And I am not a saint myself, I have done this too, but by virtue of this discussion I now see/remember... So THANK YOU!

[greybeard]

Namaste---if people were to realise the full meaning of this greeting and act accordingly, then that would be a massive step forward on the road to peace.
The word means "I greet the God within you" the implication is that the God within you is the same as the God within me--there is no difference.

Love thy brother as Thy Self.
Would the right hand cut off the left?
You harm another--one way or another you harm yourself---It comes back to you, that would seem to be the law of the universe.

You dont have to get even--the Universe is just and nothing escapes it.

We have been fighting "them the enemy" in the trenches and where has that got us? --fighting--more of the same.

Anyway preaching to the choir here.

Love Chris

[greybeard]

The Greatest Commandment
…30AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' 31"The second is this, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these." 32The scribe said to Him, "Right, Teacher; You have truly stated that HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;…

Its the last line that caught my eye. That is pure non-duality.

Chris

http://biblehub.com/mark/12-31.htm

[observer]

from a comment in another thread -
"Others like ourselves, ‘embodying the quest for self-improvement, "man vs. self"’, can only look on from the sideline, or better still, focus on their own game."

This, araucaria, is precisely the difference between what you are doing, here on the Avalon Website, and what I'm doing here.

In this holographic "game of Free-Will", you araucaria, chose to focus on your own paradigm, ignoring the historic stimulation to the Common Reality from an external interloper. I, on the other hand, am compelled - by personal conscious intervention - to draw attention to the fact that Humanity is being manipulated. I have been showing documentation of that manipulation, since my earliest posting, here on this website.

I can only lead the horse to water. I can't force it to drink.

Now, if you all would do as I asked in comment #37 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86791-Road-to-world-peace&p=1020257&viewfull=1#post1020257), and, "let's all of us just agree to disagree, and allow our comments to one-another to go to history".

Apparently, there are those commenting here, who just can't let it go, and feel a need to have the last word. This is my last word, STOP DEFAMING MY NAME.

I've offered the documentation to support the claims. If any member is so hypnotized into their ideology to not go look, how can I be held responsible?

You all have the free will to make your own choices. Now, please allow the issue to drop - leave my name out of your comments.

[araucaria]

Sure observer, we can agree to disagree – except that doing that is easier said than done, don’t you agree? :)
The irony of our little argument on a thread about world peace is not lost on me. If we are to get from the saying to the doing, I think we need to address that local issue. It’s all about tolerance, a positive quality since tolerance breeds tolerance, but a fragile one since, equally, intolerance breeds intolerance. More on that later.

Your stance is in favour of objectivity: you are only interested in objective facts, but that position is already set in conflictual terms, as one side of an argument with subjectivity. Taking objectivity on its own, what do we find? Science likes to establish its facts through experiment in laboratory conditions. Why this need for a laboratory? Because of the need to control every parameter, due to the fundamental lack of control in normal conditions. Hence, with respect to the real world outside, the laboratory is an ideal, a fiction that sets itself apart from the real world, and where things function differently – otherwise why bother? Another way of describing this situation would be to say that the laboratory is a zero tolerance area (“tolerance” in the technical sense, see this post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material&p=1014923&viewfull=1#post1014923 ) of reductionist control. After scientists, we have engineers to transpose their findings to the real world: you then have “factory conditions”. Engineers can for example manufacture a pretty reliable passenger jet, but when they take it out into the real world, accidents sometimes happen. They cannot tell us what happened to MH370; all that can safely be stated is that someone did something unexpected. A subject acted subjectively: that’s what people tend to do. Real world subjectivity is by present definition beyond the scope of scientific experiment.

The trouble is that quantum physics tells us that this is also the ultimate reality. A human population is no different than any other wave function: while the whole is possibly predictable, individual particles behave unpredictably. What this means for science – which itself works no differently – is that it is in disagreement with itself. It is not a monolith of knowledge: scientists are contradicting each other all the time. So, if they contrive to build up a body of learning, it is because they learn to be tolerant; rather than papering over the cracks, discrepancies are footholds to climb higher. In other words, they have to accept that even laboratory conditions are not going to lead to any objective truths: some fairly reliable engineering, but no more than that.

Where conspiracy science and spirituality meet is in saying that planet Earth is itself “laboratory conditions”. Conspiracy scientists will say that it is a laboratory run by evil controllers who have all bases covered. Spiritual scientists will say that it is a sublaboratory where an experiment has got out of control: not bad as such, simply establishing a negative. That negative would be something like the non-viability of the satanic path of separation. In the real world, that might translate as, say, the inability to obtain a pure enough sample to trigger certain effects. I am thinking of the way uranium needs to be enriched to produce electrical power and further enriched to make a nuclear bomb. Similarly, if your sample of radioactive (negative) entities is constantly being contaminated by positively-oriented beings, then you are never going to achieve the desired weapons-grade product.

So what does this have to do with tolerance? As I said, both tolerance and intolerance breed more of the same: a spiritual chain reaction. I am on the whole a pretty tolerant guy, but when I’m not, I am mostly intolerant at other people’s intolerance. This is how it works. It is a chain reaction that potentially becomes unstoppable. The touchpaper is patience, but there comes a time when your patience runs out and you explode.

Occam’s razor tells me to forget about conspiracy theory for a moment. Imagine our leaders are not incorrigible warmongers because that is what they egoistically like to do. Imagine for a moment that they are like you and me: they are faced with religious bigots and their patience runs out when these bigots start killing too many people. The question then becomes: can we and should we show unlimited patience in particular circumstances such as these? How can tolerance deal with intolerance without itself turning into intolerance (e.g. bombing Syria)? How can a “live and let live” policy respond to a “die and let die” policy?

That is the intractable problem we are facing in the real world. We are not talking about controlled laboratory conditions, but about uncontrolled intersubjectivity. What I suggest is that we look at Avalon as a laboratory experiment in partially uncontrolled intersubjectivity. Avalon is experimenting with a sample purification protocol that might be extended to the population at large. This website is a forum where people can come with all the most outlandish experiences and theories, and still happily agree to disagree. This is what I mean by the positive slant on “noise” as the cheerful disorder of a large and disparate “party”. That is a word that denotes both an action group and a group enjoying itself, but rarely means both at the same time as I am doing here.

What this means in terms of ideas is that we can all “entertain” each other’s’ pet theories, each of which can be enriched by this contact, and each of which is relativized by this contact (“entertain”, another word like “party”, meaning interaction with or without agreement). Pet theories are never more than a work in progress (as is good science in fact). Experimenting means trying something, trying out, trying on, with no presuppositions or foregone conclusions.

This supposes a degree of anarchy in the literal sense; the Greek preposition “an-“ means without. Anarchy as a positive value means no rule (i.e. a form of self-rule); what we are seeing in the outside world is the caricature of that value: anarchy as the rule of terror. This is how the alternate media come to be depicted as terrorist – to the extent that both the alternate media and the terrorists are out to overthrow the powers that be, they are engaged as objective allies, in what I can only call anti-archy.

This is not what we are about here on Avalon. The aim here is to transcend such divisions into two camps, of rulers and the rebellious ruled all seeking to impose their scientific, religious and other dogma. As a laboratory experiment in partially uncontrolled intersubjectivity, Avalon seeks to impose nothing at all. This particular laboratory is not a controlled environment distilled from the other, real one, where multiple parameters are removed to create an oversimplified ideal situation; that would consolidate the normal situation as being less than ideal. It is on the contrary a place on the other side of reality, where we create an overcomplicated situation beyond the ideal, from which we can distill a much better reality than the one we have now.

So what does agreeing to disagree mean in concrete terms right now? It means de-escalation: we don’t take the other too seriously, and don’t mind when they take us with a grain of salt. Can we do that please? Cutting people a bit of slack is not only the diplomatic solution, it also comes closest to the scientific solution when none of us knows exactly what is going on, because when you don’t know everything, there’s no telling what crucial stuff you don’t know. Peace.

[observer]

Once again, araucaria, you've taken a long walk around "Harvey's Barn", with volumes of pointless rhetoric, bordering at times on diatribe using a condescending tone.

This exchange started with a simple comment directed at Chris:



from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War) - "The earliest evidence of war belongs to the Mesolithic cemetery Site 117, which has been determined to be approximately 14,000 years old. About forty-five percent of the skeletons there displayed signs of violent death. Since the rise of the state some 5,000 years ago, military activity has occurred over much of the globe. The advent of gunpowder and the acceleration of technological advances led to modern warfare. According to Conway W. Henderson, "One source claims that 14,500 wars have taken place between 3500 BC and the late 20th century, costing 3.5 billion lives, leaving only 300 years of peace."

A total of three hundred years of peace, projected over the past 5,500 years. Quite a record to be optimistic over!

Awaken to the realization that we exist in a feeding operation. No amount of positive thinking will make a change, the mechanism is too powerful, and the motivation for that power is too consuming - a feeding operation.

Historically, and into great antiquity, whenever the Mass Consciousness of Humanity reached a point where the Common Reality was about to make a difference, a total restart was triggered, and all timelines were begun anew.

Instead of focusing on a bright new dawn - that has never arrived in the past - those among us who really seek change should be focusing on an exit strategy out of this matrix.

From there you have written pages of denunciation directed at your perception of what our opposing rolls, here on the Avalon Site, represent. I specify the word "opposing", because although we don't agree, I don't deny you the right to have your own opinion. Unlike how most of the text you direct at me reads.

FYI: In case you haven't noticed, I've never made a single comment in the Spirituality Forums. Although I disagree with most of what is discussed in those forums, I have the respect and wisdom to not comment where my message will not be well received. I've no desire to debate with individuals locked within their own belief systems, which sir, I perceive you to be.

I direct your attention to a comment I made in a thread which I started:


This thread was created to show an objective trail of evidence, directing those interested enough, toward the conclusion: our belief systems are not working. I knew when I started this exposé, I would be overwhelmed with resistance from those members locked within the walls of their individual ideologies.

Emerging out of thousands of years of social engineering, these belief systems are designed to keep the Masses hypnotized into divided camps; each group unwilling to see how their ideology is controlling their ability to see any Big Picture.

The belief that "one's focus creates reality" is just such a belief system that isn't working. The Common Reality of Humanity is not affected by the focus of any single individual. It is affected by the overall manipulation of the Mass Consciousness of Humanity. This manipulation has been orchestrated, over thousands of years of Social Engineering, by an hyperdimensional interloper.

The results are all-in-the-numbers. Allowing that, there are perhaps several hundred million individuals riding on the focus-bus-of-delusion, this number pales in comparison to the 7.5 billion individuals, all dwelling in the effect of thousands of years of our Common-Socially-Engineered-Reality.

It's time for the Masses to wake-up to this perception.

You can agree, or disagree with me in that thread, and allow the, "irony of our little argument", here in this thread, to return to the topic of the thread - "Road to world peace".

[greybeard]

Well observer I am at peace with you.
We may have different thoughts about how to "fix" the unfixable but I do have on going respect for you.
In a way I mentally have a foot in both camps---lets get out of here--we need a completely new start--hope TPTB get what's coming to them.
Yet in heart I trust that all will be well.

I did not mind you directing comment at me, its all fair comment.

As I have said, I don't expect people to agree with me some will some wont.
Best wishes
Chris

[araucaria]

I have repeatedly tried and failed to get through to this member. I can deal with my own failures. Meanwhile, I shall find out how to operate the forum's Ignore feature.