From the Mathematics of Supersymmetry to the Music of Arnold Schoenberg -- S. James Gates

[edina]

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Pour yourself a glass of wine, or a cup of tea and sit back relax and enjoy this insightful talk by physicist S James Gates... let me know what you think...

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@ 35:53 For those of you who might be interested in playing these games it turns out that there's a app on line that you can download to play with this... :)

https://code.google.com/p/adinkramat/

(the kaleidoscope link mentioned in video doesn't work)

But here is where it gets really cool @ 39 minutes, where he begins to set up the correlation of this to binary code. And the number 1111. Supersymmetry.

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rose = tesseract

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The 4D-hypercube, layered according to distance from one corner.
As described in "Alice in Wonderland" by the Cheshire Cat, this vertex-first-shadow of the tesseract forms a rhombic dodecahedron.

"Your ancestors called it magic, but you call it science. I come from a land where they are one and the same."
―Thor Odinson

[edina]

"Humans are odd. They think order and chaos are somehow opposites and try to control what won't be. But there is grace in their failings." ―Vision

[edina]

@ 35:53 For those of you who might be interested in playing these games it turns out that there's a app on line that you can download to play with this... :)

https://code.google.com/p/adinkramat/

(the kaleidoscope link mentioned in video doesn't work)

I can't get the download to install. If any one else tries this and it works, will you let me know?
I think it would be fun to play with these. :)

[sigma6]

Profound beyond profound... but it's going to take time to completely analyze what he is saying... exactly where this mathematical formula begins and the correlate and reference it represents in the external reality... i.e. theory vs practice... referent and referee... symbol vs thing symbolized... long gone is the time when I would just jump on that and assume I completely understand the full nature of what he is trying to describe... but even the gist is profound beyond profound... depending on how you interpret the implications of course... ; - {

James Gates and his research is definitely on my 'top 10' list of things profound

[edina]

This is fun.... for all the weavers and knitters in the house... ;)

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Knitting the fabric of space and time ...

[edina]

Frank Wilczek's lecture style is a bit dryer than S James Gates, but still fascinating... here he ties symmetry in with topology.

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10:45 note on slide, One hand rules them all!

[edina]

So here's a question; curious of what people think .... Do you think the fundamental mathematical shape of the universe is cubical or spherical?

[DeDukshyn]

Brilliant piece and well presented. I also like how he presented a "binary" universe ... for me it lines up with Katya Walters visions and concepts of all energy having a "pole" (binary system), and all results are merely an interaction of these "poles" and poles within poles -- also a binary system.

So it appears that physics has found an apparent intelligence beyond the point of our ability to detect the higher resolution frequencies. We can't observe it, but it is becoming apparent that it is there ... physics, discovering God? At the same time I think this was predicted ...

There is an excellent one hour interview with Katya Walters, if you enjoyed this, that might be worth the time as well. I'll try to find the link.

[DeDukshyn]

So here's a question; curious of what people think .... Do you think the fundamental mathematical shape of the universe is cubical or spherical?

How about ... the shape is determined by what is required for the latest given observations?

... (addition) ... In other words, Nagual may exist as potential everywhere and every time, while Tonal , requires observation, or at least expectation. The shape of the Universe is variable in nature, to support the contrast between potential and actual (Nagual vs Tonal (or the observed)).

[DeDukshyn]

Brilliant piece and well presented. I also like how he presented a "binary" universe ... for me it lines up with Katya Walters visions and concepts of all energy having a "pole" (binary system), and all results are merely an interaction of these "poles" and poles within poles -- also a binary system.

So it appears that physics has found an apparent intelligence beyond the point of our ability to detect the higher resolution frequencies. We can't observe it, but it is becoming apparent that it is there ... physics, discovering God? At the same time I think this was predicted ...

There is an excellent one hour interview with Katya Walters, if you enjoyed this, that might be worth the time as well. I'll try to find the link.

This one: https://vimeo.com/17769179

First posted by Sam I believe ...

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ooops meant an edit ...not a new post

[edina]

Thanks DeDukshyn, I tried to find a decent video of her on youtube last night and couldn't.

Will put this on the queue to watch and will let you know what I think when I have. :)

[TargeT]

So here's a question; curious of what people think .... Do you think the fundamental mathematical shape of the universe is cubical or spherical?

How about ... the shape is determined by what is required for the latest given observations?

... (addition) ... In other words, Nagual may exist as potential everywhere and every time, while Tonal , requires observation, or at least expectation. The shape of the Universe is variable in nature, to support the contrast between potential and actual (Nagual vs Tonal (or the observed)).

I agree,

or in other words:

I'd say both, the Sphere represents all the possible (the point can be anywhere), the point ( start of a line, square etc..) represents the actual (or the observed interference point between energies); both of which are a representation of duality, or 0 and 1.

Most important line I heard in the talk is here:
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"What if a Positron, is an a electron moving backwards in time"

I started a thread on super-symmetry a while back, lots more to see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73623-Strange-Computer-Code-Discovered-Concealed-In-Superstring-Equations--Do-we-live-in-a-Matrix--)

[edina]

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I started a thread on super-symmetry a while back, lots more to see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73623-Strange-Computer-Code-Discovered-Concealed-In-Superstring-Equations--Do-we-live-in-a-Matrix--)

ha... thanks for the link TargeT. I did a search on Gates, symmetry and supersymmetry before I started this thread to see if someone had already posted on this. Didn't do a search with the dash between super and symmetry. :)

Happy to see you're still about...

[DeDukshyn]

@ 35:53 For those of you who might be interested in playing these games it turns out that there's a app on line that you can download to play with this... :)

https://code.google.com/p/adinkramat/

(the kaleidoscope link mentioned in video doesn't work)

I can't get the download to install. If any one else tries this and it works, will you let me know?
I think it would be fun to play with these. :)

Well if you are on a PC you are out of luck ... it is a MAC install file.

[edina]

@ 35:53 For those of you who might be interested in playing these games it turns out that there's a app on line that you can download to play with this... :)

https://code.google.com/p/adinkramat/

(the kaleidoscope link mentioned in video doesn't work)

I can't get the download to install. If any one else tries this and it works, will you let me know?
I think it would be fun to play with these. :)

Well if you are on a PC you are out of luck ... it is a MAC install file.

Grrrr..... LOL : Thanks for letting me know. I'm on Linux... :)

(That's why I didn't recognize the dmg file... )

[edina]

Most important line I heard in the talk is here:


"What if a Positron, is an a electron moving backwards in time"

I watched lectures of two other physicists last night, and this came up in those lectures, too. It seems that for symmetry to work this is needed?
I'll watch again, and again, until I understand this better.

Another thing that Gates said that's been coming back to me is his story about his lecture to the audience of mathematicians.
If you remember he told this story around 33 minutes. He said when he got to the end of his talk, there was complete silence.

...

It turns out that mathematicians actually think about mathematics differently than physicists do.

So what happened after that?

It was very telling to me what they didn't do, and what they did do.

They didn't blast each other for being "wrong" because they saw something differently. (ie, Call names, project negative labels, gossip about each other.)
Instead they listened to each other, the mathematicians were able to tell him a story different than he would have thought of on his own. :)

This is how intelligent and mature humans deal with differences. They appreciate and value each other.

Dinny side note: I find the way that scientists view opposites interesting. Most people view opposites as things in conflict with each other. As antagonistic to each other.
Scientists tend to view opposites as compliments to each other. The opposites are seen in the context of a larger picture. Supersymmetry, as a theory, wouldn't even exist without this willingness to see points of view different than their own.

It's a useful way to perceive things... I feel.

So they formed this interdisciplinary group, 3 mathematicians, and 3 physicists.
And they began a cross-disciplinary dialogue. And they learned from each other.

That whole story just makes me smile. :)

[edina]

here's a link to the second lecture I listened to the night before last (I will make my way to the one you posted DeDukshyn, and go through your thread TargeT, as I can get to them)

The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Quantum Physics in Modern Mathematics -- Robbert Dijkgraaf

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What does circles have to do with shoes, … (3:57 in video) ( laughed when I heard that, uncanny... ;) )

It's unreasonable.... that mathematics is so extremely successful, time and time again. (4:00)

[edina]

I've always regretted that I did not learn the higher math when I was in high school.

So, at the ripe young age of 55 I've decided to learn now, what I didn't learn then.

I've signed up as a student at Khan Academy (https://www.khanacademy.org/), an amazing free online source for anyone who wants to learn.
(You have to know only one thing ... you can learn anything. For free. For everyone. Forever) Khan's story is pretty interesting. Maybe I will share it here later on???

I'm going through the math subjects and the computer science subjects, too.
Fitting this into an already full schedule. (Which includes a training routine to do a thru-hike of the Appalachian Trail (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandma_Gatewood) in 2020; the year I turn 60. Everyone needs a little adventure in their life, right? :sun: )



http://www.cnyhiking.com/ATinNC-CharliesBunionPanorama34.jpg

Once I've completed the Khan Academy math courses, then I will move on to higher maths.

The motherboard of my computer crashed in Sept and I was without a computer for most of October.
During this time, I decided to read a book a friend gave me a couple of years ago, "The God Patent", by Ransom Stephens (http://www.amazon.com/The-God-Patent-Ransom-Stephens/dp/1611099129).
(Cool side note here: This book was the first book released entirely on Scribd. It became so popular there, that it eventually got published the traditional way.)

Anyway, there are some very interesting takes on mathematics and physics in this story. And one was of how a young math prodigy used a book by Feynman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman) to help her learn.
I think to myself as I'm reading the book, "hey... why not...?" So, I'm giving it a whirl. :idea:

I'm all about Kaizen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen) ... continually growing.

[TargeT]

The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Quantum Physics in Modern Mathematics -- Robbert Dijkgraaf


The implications of these findings are pretty awesome... we don't invent math or formulas, we just discover them (ie: they are already there/here)




I've signed up as a student at Khan Academy (https://www.khanacademy.org/), an amazing free online source for anyone who wants to learn.
(You have to know only one thing ... you can learn anything. For free. For everyone. Forever) Khan's story is pretty interesting. Maybe I will share it here later on???

I'm going through the math subjects and the computer science subjects, too.

we use Khanacademey.org as one of our tools in our home school, it's a great asset!

[edina]

speaking of Kaizen .... very informative talk about Growth Mindset :)

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the counterbalance to Apathy may very well be cultivating a Growth Mindset,

here's a quote @ 3:14 "The key to success is not simply effort, or focus, or resilience, but it is the growth mindset that creates them; the mindset itself is critical."

[edina]

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"I have really geeked out here...." ( :) )

Does the Feynman Point sound like a pause to anyone else?

[Skyhaven]

So here's a question; curious of what people think .... Do you think the fundamental mathematical shape of the universe is cubical or spherical?

Hi Edina,

A while ago I came across the idea of the universe as a torus shape, really liked the dynamics of it, especially because it's a closed system, and the spiraling motion that is to be seen pretty much everywhere in nature is present within its dynamics:

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[TargeT]

So here's a question; curious of what people think .... Do you think the fundamental mathematical shape of the universe is cubical or spherical?

Hi Edina,

A while ago I came across the idea of the universe as a torus shape, really liked the dynamics of it, especially because it's a closed system, and the spiraling motion that is to be seen pretty much everywhere in nature is present within its dynamics:

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With reality being fractal, and it seems like every shape (even energy itself) is torus in shape or expresses in a "torus" way it would make sense that the over all shape is the same (though infinity being infinity... I doubt it ever stops, you'll just find systems participating in larger and larger torus structures as you go "up" or "down" the fractal).

I wouldn't be supersized if this concept makes a lot more sense when thought about at a different dimension than we currently tend to consider things in (I didn't even mention the fact that there are probably infinite versions of "the torus" (aka universe) as well, all probability existing at all times (basically string theory)over lapping each other).

[edina]

So here's a question; curious of what people think .... Do you think the fundamental mathematical shape of the universe is cubical or spherical?

Hi Edina,

A while ago I came across the idea of the universe as a torus shape, really liked the dynamics of it, especially because it's a closed system, and the spiraling motion that is to be seen pretty much everywhere in nature is present within its dynamics:

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Wow, that is some interesting computer animation... thanks Shyhaven!

I remember coming to similar conclusions back in the late 80's, around the time I was reading Itzhak Bentov - Stalking the Wild Pendulum. (http://www.amazon.com/Stalking-Wild-Pendulum-Mechanics-Consciousness/dp/0892812028)
I often practiced stopping time during that period of my life, too.

However, I didn't necessarily know what to do once time stopped. (LOL) Still don't, to be truthful, I'm missing some serious pcs of the puzzle there.

Just noticed the 2:22 time of the video you posted... :)

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So here's a question; curious of what people think .... Do you think the fundamental mathematical shape of the universe is cubical or spherical?

Hi Edina,

A while ago I came across the idea of the universe as a torus shape, really liked the dynamics of it, especially because it's a closed system, and the spiraling motion that is to be seen pretty much everywhere in nature is present within its dynamics:

EKtevjrZOGs

With reality being fractal, and it seems like every shape (even energy itself) is torus in shape or expresses in a "torus" way it would make sense that the over all shape is the same (though infinity being infinity... I doubt it ever stops, you'll just find systems participating in larger and larger torus structures as you go "up" or "down" the fractal).

I wouldn't be supersized if this concept makes a lot more sense when thought about at a different dimension than we currently tend to consider things in (I didn't even mention the fact that there are probably infinite versions of "the torus" (aka universe) as well, all probability existing at all times (basically string theory)over lapping each other).

Boggles the mind... LOL then I have to go take a walk to get grounded again. :)

That said, I think its healthy, wealthy, & wise to stretch the mind on a regular basis.

Life is a grand adventure!!!

[edina]

If you remember in the first video here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86826-From-the-Mathematics-of-Supersymmetry-to-the-Music-of-Arnold-Schoenberg-S.-James-Gates&p=1020282&viewfull=1#post1020282), @ about 51:00 where Gates talked about the Klein Four-Group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_four-group) and how he had discovered that it had occurred as an "idea in music" and the composer Arnold Schoenberg's twelve tone technique (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-tone_technique).

As I listened to the recording of some of that music I kept thinking to myself. Even though the music is being played in 12 tones, I'm not sure I am hearing all the tones.

Let me explain where this idea came from.

Years ago, when my daughter was only 3 months old. I would drop my husband off at the shop and then go to eat breakfast at the NCO Club at Bitburg AB. After several weeks, a woman introduced herself, and asked to join me for breakfast. Turns out, she was a linguist. She had been watching my daughter, fascinated with how she was already developing language skills about 6 to 9 months earlier than she typically sees in most babies, and she just wanted to meet us and learn more of why that was happening.

During this time, we often ate breakfast together. I asked her questions about language. One of the things she shared with me that has stayed with me over the years is how different languages have different tones. For example, she explained, Spanish has 4 tones, and English has 5 tones.

One of the consistent patterns of this is that people who grow up listening to a language with fewer tones cannot hear the tones not expressed in their native language.

The tones of a language that we can not hear, sounds uncomfortable to us. People often translate those tones as if whoever is speaking with them is "angry", or "condescending."

I was fascinated, and immediately thought of all the Vietnamese women in the slots area of the NCO club I used to work part time at when I was stationed at Ramstein AB. People always thought the women sounded angry.

I asked her if she knew how many tones the Vietnamese language had. I was stunned when she told me it had 10 tones. TEN Tones, can you imagine?

The music shared in the video had twelve tones... it was uncomfortable to listen to.

My native language has only five tones.

This is why I mused that it's possible I could not fully appreciate the music, because I may not be even hearing it fully. My ears may be missing seven tones.

.......

This morning, I remembered something I came across a while back. Someone put DNA to music similar to how NumberPhile puts Pi or Phi to music.

The Body As a Melody: Is DNA Musical?
THE BODY AS A MELODY- IS DNA MUSICAL 7pp.pdf (http://www.rebprotocol.net/Sep2008/Dossey%20THE%20BODY%20AS%20A%20MELODY-%20IS%20DNA%20MUSICAL%207pp.pdf)
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[edina]

Here's a quote from the Dossey Pdf (http://www.rebprotocol.net/Sep2008/Dossey%20THE%20BODY%20AS%20A%20MELODY-%20IS%20DNA%20MUSICAL%207pp.pdf) I shared above... intriguing, I think:


Music is a strange thing. I would almost say it is a miracle. For it stands halfway between thought and phenomenon, between spirit and matter, a sort of nebulous mediator, like and unlike each of the things it mediates -- spirit that requires manifestation in time and matter that can do without space... we do not know what music is. -- Heinrich Heine (quoted in Critchley. 977a, p. 217)

In studies, it's been found that music lights up the whole brain, somehow it engages the entire brain. I've always found this video of the man in the nursing home, listening to music that literally "wakes" him up, heartwarming.

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So, imagine there is a code embedded in the fabric of our universe, and music can help us engage that code, all the way down into our DNA, and even into our quantum biology????

Just thinking out loud ---

[TargeT]

So, imagine there is a code embedded in the fabric of our universe, and music can help us engage that code, all the way down into our DNA, and even into our quantum biology????

Just thinking out loud ---

Lots of interesting theories about sound and the pyramids or sound and the Ark of the Covenant.. I think sound is a highly ignored phenomenon, though at least we are now using it to levitate objects (haha..).


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and of course cymatics
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I think mixing sound into science is defiantly needed & am excited to see it happening more frequently.

[edina]

It's times like this that I wish I could push a button that says so much more than thank you!!!!

Great explanation behind the process on the first video, I'm going to have to explore the Smarter Every Day channel in much more depth!!!!

(Love the little musketeer mouse at the end... hahaha :) )

I remember first discovering "cymatics" back in the late 70's from my Mom's Edgar Cayce (Search For God) study group.

But this clip is awesome. Imagine, what is happening in the film is also happening to the water in my brain as I am listening to it.

It's got a great "beat trap", wanna makes you stop what you're doing and just dance!!!!

[edina]

here's another from the youtube sidebar:

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it's like liquid sacred geometry, or Prigogine's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Prigogine) oscillation into a higher order

I wonder how "harmonics" correlates to our concepts of densities and/or dimensions?

[TargeT]

I wonder how "harmonics" correlates to our concepts of densities and/or dimensions?

Harmonics, octaves, resonance... it all applies.

Wireless charging is done via magnetic resonance induction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power) (and most recently, Radio resonance induction (http://www.wired.com/2015/06/power-wifi-isnt-think/), though it's MUCH lower power).

we live in pretty amazing times.



I'm going to have to explore the Smarter Every Day channel in much more depth!!!!


Some of my favorite learning You tube channels:

Smarter Every Day (https://www.youtube.com/user/destinws2)

Vsauce (https://www.youtube.com/user/Vsauce)

Veritasium (https://www.youtube.com/user/1veritasium)


Sixty Symbols (https://www.youtube.com/user/sixtysymbols)

[edina]

Yaay!!! I have so many new places to explore, (Dinny happily clapping her hands... ) :happy dog:

How fun----
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the smile is a magnetic moment :sun: