The Universe is Immaterial : Mental and Spiritual

[Clear Light]

Ah, now perhaps this article may help to shed light on the Fundamental Differences between Classical and Quantum Physics and why it is entirely credible to link the latter with so-called Spirituality !!!

As it is I suggest that without Consciousness there could be no Science of any kind because it is the Root from which ALL Perception is made possible isn't it eh ?

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[From : NATURE Vol 436 (7 July 2005) written by : Richard Conn Henry]

Link : The Mental Universe (http://henry.pha.jhu.edu/The.mental.universe.pdf)

The only reality is mind and observations, but observations are not of things. To see the Universe as it really is, we must abandon our tendency to conceptualize observations as things.

Historically, we have looked to our religious leaders to understand the meaning of our lives; the nature of our world. With Galileo Galilei, this changed. In establishing that the Earth goes around the Sun, Galileo not only succeeded in believing the unbelievable himself, but also convinced almost everyone else to do the same. This was a stunning accomplishment in ‘physics outreach’ and, with the subsequent work of Isaac Newton, physics joined religion in seeking to explain our place in the Universe.

The more recent physics revolution of the past 80 years has yet to transform general public understanding in a similar way. And yet a correct understanding of physics was accessible even to Pythagoras. According to Pythagoras, “number is all things”, and numbers are mental, not mechanical. Likewise, Newton called light “particles”, knowing the concept to be an ‘effective theory’ — useful, not true. As noted by Newton’s biographer Richard Westfall: “The ultimate cause of atheism, Newton asserted, is ‘this notion of bodies having, as it were, a complete, absolute and independent reality in themselves.’” Newton knew of Newton’s rings and was untroubled by what is shallowly called ‘wave/particle duality’.

The 1925 discovery of quantum mechanics solved the problem of the Universe’s nature. Bright physicists were again led to believe the unbelievable — this time, that the Universe is mental. According to Sir James Jeans: “the stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality ; the Universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter... we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter.” But physicists have not yet followed Galileo’s example, and convinced everyone of the wonders of quantum mechanics. As Sir Arthur Eddington explained: “It is difficult for the matter-of-fact physicist to accept the view that the substratum of everything is of mental character”.

In his play Copenhagen, which brings quantum mechanics to a wider audience, Michael Frayn gives these words to Niels Bohr: “we discover that... the Universe exists... only through the understanding lodged inside the human head.” Bohr’s wife replies, “this man you’ve put at the centre of the Universe — is it you, or is it Heisenberg?” This is what sticks in the craw of Eddington’s “matter-of-fact” physicists.

Discussing the play, John H. Marburger III, President George W. Bush’s science adviser, observes that “in the Copenhagen interpretation of microscopic nature, there are neither waves nor particles”, but then frames his remarks in terms of a non-existent “underlying stuff ”. He points out that it is not true that matter “sometimes behaves like a wave and sometimes like a particle... The wave is not in the underlying stuff; it is in the spatial pattern of detector clicks... We cannot help but think of the clicks as caused by little localized pieces of stuff that we might as well call particles. This is where the particle language comes from. It does not come from the underlying stuff, but from our psychological predisposition to associate localized phenomena with particles.”

In place of “underlying stuff ” there have been serious attempts to preserve a material world — but they produce no new physics, and serve only to preserve an illusion. Scientists have sadly left it to non-physicist Frayn to note the Emperor’s lack of clothes: “it seems to me that the view which [Murray] Gell-Mann favours, and which involves what he calls alternative ‘histories’ or ‘narratives’, is precisely as anthropocentric as Bohr’s, since histories and narratives are not freestanding elements of the Universe, but human constructs, as subjective and as restricted in their viewpoint as the act of observation.”

Physicists shy from the truth because the truth is so alien to everyday physics. A common way to evade the mental Universe is to invoke ‘decoherence’ — the notion that ‘the physical environment’ is sufficient to create reality, independent of the human mind. Yet the idea that any irreversible act of amplification is necessary to collapse the wave function is known to be wrong: in ‘Renninger-type’ experiments, the wave function is collapsed simply by your human mind seeing nothing. The Universe is entirely mental.

In the tenth century, Ibn al-Haytham initiated the view that light proceeds from a source, enters the eye, and is perceived. This picture is incorrect but is still what most people think occurs, including, unless pressed, most physicists. To come to terms with the Universe, we must abandon such views. The world is quantum mechanical: we must learn to perceive it as such.

One benefit of switching humanity to a correct perception of the world is the resulting joy of discovering the mental nature of the Universe. We have no idea what this mental nature implies, but — the great thing is — it is true. Beyond the acquisition of this perception, physics can no longer help. You may descend into solipsism, expand to deism, or something else if you can justify it — just don’t ask physics for help.

There is another benefit of seeing the world as quantum mechanical: someone who has learned to accept that nothing exists but observations is far ahead of peers who stumble through physics hoping to find out ‘what things are’. If we can ‘pull a Galileo,’ and get people believing the truth, they will find physics a breeze.


The Universe is immaterial — Mental and Spiritual. Live, and enjoy !

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Richard Conn Henry is a Professor in the Henry A. Rowland Department of Physics and Astronomy, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland 21218, USA.

[samildamach]

When I think of reality not existing unless it is observed my mind is rebuffed by the notion.the same as when I try and imagine infinity.it takes a bit of will to actually want to understand quantum.in the article it mentions the perception of the eye is incorrect any body who understands this could they explain in Leyman terms please.Does this mean the universe quantum interacts directly with my mind?

[aoibhghaire]

You might glimmer some nuggets from my understanding of this complex subject. The Big Bang, hypothesized a starting point for the universe 14 billion years ago. The laws of physics-deduced from Quantum Physics- describes the world of elementary particles shows a general uncertainty of their state, and where the observer alters the observed reality.

Particles that have interacted with each other at least once are linked by a condition of “ Quantum Entanglement", whatever the distance that separates them. The entanglement phenomenon is experimentally demonstrated.

The conditions for quantum entanglement to exist throughout the universe is due to the observation by Erwin Schrödinger, that a pre-condition for quantum entanglement is a previous contact between objects:

When two systems ... enter into temporary physical interaction due to known forces between them … they can no longer be described in the same manner as before … by the interaction the two representatives (or wave functions) have become "entangled.“

Since Big Bang theorists argue that the universe began as a concentrated point of energy, then the necessary condition exists for quantum entanglement to exist for all physical particles in the universe.

While quantum entanglement between non-living organisms demonstrates a 'wave collapse' making superluminal (greater than light speed) communication impossible, this does not occur for living organisms. Living organisms separated by great distances possess a massive number of living entangled particles at the macroscopic level. It is assumed that all the “neural cells“ of biological creatures in the universe are in a state of entanglement. Quantum model of telepathy is based on the principle of quantum superluminal communication (QSC) similar to telepathy.

The further evolution of quantum theory through David Bohm’s treatment shows that the Universe as a whole is structured simultaneously in two ways: Locality and Non-Locality. The latter represents the theoretical explanation of the entanglement phenomenon. Which leads to the state of consciousness.

This means that in the Universe we see, we are all separate. The Universe of what we can’t see, when dark matter is made visible,
we are all connected. Human brain cells, the Universe and the Internet all have similar structures.

We are all an integral, interconnected part of the whole cosmos and our own inner world is a holograph of the cosmos within us.

Matter and energy can display characteristics of both waves and particles, and that behaviour of the particle changes based on a person's perception and consciousness.

It means that consciousness is here; this universe is nothing but consciousness; you are consciousness; I am consciousness; all the worlds are consciousness - that is the conclusion. That which exists and that which shines (i.e., is known to exist) are all the (ONE) Self.

My 2 cents worth.

[Clear Light]

When I think of reality not existing unless it is observed my mind is rebuffed by the notion.the same as when I try and imagine infinity.it takes a bit of will to actually want to understand quantum.in the article it mentions the perception of the eye is incorrect any body who understands this could they explain in Leyman terms please.Does this mean the universe quantum interacts directly with my mind?

Here's part of an article I wrote back in February 2014 ("Have you ever stopped to consider the Hallucinatory nature of our shared existence") ... and although it isn't Quantum Physics related directly, it does however, perhaps (?) cover your question :

On the one hand there’s the apparent physicality of the environment, the seeming solidity of things such as cars, trees, apples and chocolate ... Yet on the other hand, in my opinion, and contrary to historical belief it just is not true !

Now of course you know how [in the traditional model of reality] light enters the eyeball thus stimulating your optic nerve and then the brain performs a kind of neurobiochemical alchemy such that through its interface to your Mind : Voila you see what’s in front of your own eyes ... right?


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But wait just a minute ... Another way of looking at it is that what you’re perceiving as the space in front of you is merely the interpretation of various stimuli (i.e. sound vibrations, various light frequencies, olfactory impressions and pressure sensations on the skin of your face and body) which in effect presents a sort of ‘display’ for you to interact with !

Therefore what is thought of to be ‘out there’ and ‘not me’ is in actuality ‘in here’ all along ! [although ‘out there’ at the same time too]


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[greybeard]

It means that consciousness is here; this universe is nothing but consciousness; you are consciousness; I am consciousness; all the worlds are consciousness - that is the conclusion. That which exists and that which shines (i.e., is known to exist) are all the (ONE) Self.

My 2 cents worth.

Thank you for this aoibhghaire

The mystics, since their words have been recorded over thousands of years, have said the same regarding consciousness.
Who knows for sure where they got this knowledge from, though meditation/enlightenment is said to be the doorway to knowledge of consciousness.

.The Sanscript written language is one of the oldest know, it is also said to be the most precise to the degree, I seem to remember, that this was once considered for use as a computer language.
Cant help but think there was at least one previous civilisation that was more advanced than the current one.

Chris

[greybeard]

I used to like to cross reference/ triangulate to see if my point of view is correct.
Science seems to be proving that "my" spiritual understanding is correct.

I no longer require proof but I enjoy the excursions into quantum--not that I can fully grasp it but the essence I seem to get.
Makes some kind of sense to me.

Chris

[Clear Light]

When I think of reality not existing unless it is observed my mind is rebuffed by the notion.the same as when I try and imagine infinity.it takes a bit of will to actually want to understand quantum.in the article it mentions the perception of the eye is incorrect any body who understands this could they explain in Leyman terms please.Does this mean the universe quantum interacts directly with my mind?

Yes !

IMO the totality of the "Universal Quantum Hologram" (to describe it in words) has no separate parts and is a single flowing whole ... that neither 'you' nor 'I' can be distinguished from ... in other words : How your Mind is, how your Perception is, is extremely important to the Relationship we each have with it ... it's why a whole raft of various Spiritual Teachings all emphasize the Oneness of it all :)

[samildamach]

Thank you so very much for taking the time to answer my questions and in such a clear way very much appreciated .

[waves]

Thank you so much Clear Blue and Aoi.., your writings are extremely helpful as I continually try to better grasp all of that. Do you have any thoughts on these questions...

1. What have you found are practical ways to apply this understanding to everyday life after getting up and having breakfast?

2. I met an 80 year old retired Stanford physicist recently and asked one question. I asked... since the same spinning/orbiting structures/patterns keep repeating either the smaller we see or the bigger we see, is it probable that either direction is infinite, and our entire universe for example is a molecule in someone elses universe? He said yes.

If so, wow. What do you do after breakfast knowing that? :-)

[Clear Light]

Thank you so much Clear Blue and Aoi.., your writings are extremely helpful as I continually try to better grasp all of that. Do you have any thoughts on these questions...

1. What have you found are practical ways to apply this understanding to everyday life after getting up and having breakfast?

2. I met an 80 year old retired Stanford physicist recently and asked one question. I asked... since the same spinning/orbiting structures/patterns keep repeating either the smaller we see or the bigger we see, is it probable that either direction is infinite, and our entire universe for example is a molecule in someone elses universe? He said yes.

If so, wow. What do you do after breakfast knowing that? :-)

oh my goodness, those are rather open-ended questions aren't they ? :wink:

I suppose I'd say it's not so much a case of "knowing" but more like how I perceive the apparent external world with all of its multifarious Phenomena !

I'm on a Spiritual Path suffice to say my mode of perception has radically changed over the years to where I now know how critical it is to "look within" at what seems to be happening in the way of thoughts and concepts.

Practically what has helped immensely has been learning how to Forgive, to remain open-minded and to be continually willing to learn ... Crucially I have found the greatest source of Love / Contentment / Understanding is in one's Heart :heart:


http://www.abundancetapestry.com/photos/Hologram_Universe.jpg

Oh, I believe understanding the Nature of "Reality" is found by better understanding the Nature of the Mind :sun:

[aoibhghaire]

Waves: “What have you found are practical ways to apply this understanding to everyday life after getting up and having breakfast?”

Once you are truly awake and aware of the Universe/Nature you can do any practical things that are efficient, magical and fun. The fantastic is already there in the Universe/Nature; Most people are ignorant of realising all these potentials within the quantum Universe/Nature that they are meant to use If everybody on the planet is in partnership with Nature Intelligence we’d have a different planet. We’d have a planet that is in balance which we were meant to be aligned with.

So after breakfast: Here follows the next step for the awakened and aware human being who wants to follow a magical path everyday First question is, do you have the reality to experience another reality? If so, there are tools to help you.

One important over arching tool for any human beings toolbox, that takes care of any project is to obtain help from Nature Intelligence/ or Conscious Universe. Nature Intelligence will provide all the support necessary to accomplish your goal of whatever project.

Nature Intelligence is the key partner to progress any project of this nature. However, it does mean accepting that ‘quantum leap’ for any human being to apply properly.

The human being can add an extra tool for his/her tool box. This additional tool provides answers that he or she may need. These answers are from Nature Intelligence where you can truly decide to create a partnership with Nature Intelligence. This is the co creation in partnership. Any body can apply this method.

When the human being is not connected consciously with Nature Intelligence, which practically every body is in the world, it means that your ego/head creates a barrier obtaining the answers to your questions

You may have a project with an intention

Whats central to the process is that the human being adds an extra tool . This tool provides the answer the person needs to the question(s). The answer(s) are from Nature Intelligence. However, the person has to create a true partnership with Nature Intelligence in order to achieve this outcome. This is truely a co creation process i.e. partnership with Nature Intelligence

You are then in a position to function in full consciousness in connection with Nature Intelligence, thus creating a partnership with the most qualified expert on the laws of nature and how they apply to reality.

The team contains involution/evolution balance because the input of nature (is the involution dynamic) and the input of the human (is the evolution dynamic). Remember, Nature knows nothing else but balance. Most humans are unbalanced, which is reflected in the world around us.

It is this co creative team that is central to co creation.
It is an accelerated process, efficient, and with instant results.
Practically all humans have lost this ability of connecting to Nature Intelligence/Universe. Western society is not educated this way. Very much left brain, linear thinking due to programming.

It’s a co creative function this partnership with Nature Intelligence

The method is a fundamental approach by applying a true partnership with Nature/Universe as a foundation. This is the prerequisite when developing this relationship.

Setting up the following for any project with it’s intention has to have a definition, a direction and a purpose.

This experiential process with partnership with Nature Intelligence becomes a routine in any persons life. I have apply this every day for the past 20 years with magical results.

[Leroy]

The text in the op above was a bit complicated, I'll try making my own version. Here is a youtube video that explains how the double slit experiment works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB03zWIQO1Q

I am not a physicist, but with an open mind the data from this experiment is easy to understand so I'll give it a shot anyway. This experiment has been done with different kinds of particles, like "buckyballs" , a particle made of 60 carbonatoms. In other words a small piece of matter made of the same buildingblocks as you and I and everything else around us. The experiment shows that particles seem to "know" that they are being observed. It has been ruled out that the measuring device has anything to do with this behaviour. (Search for "delayed choice quantum eraser") .

So what options are we left with in order to explain the data from the experiment? Particles can't possibly know that they are being observed. I think everyone will agree on that. So we are left with only one way to explain the data: we are "surrounded" by a "system" that keeps track of what we are observing and generates the world for us. And everything that is made of particles must be made the same way. Physical matter exists only when observed.

In other words: the universe is a computer simulation. Nothing in the universe is "real", everything is generated when observed, even your own body. The data tells us that it is not our brain that makes us conscious, because until it is observed by opening the scull or scanning etc, we don't even have a brain. We are non-physical consciousness units having a "computer made", physical experience. This is probably the best way to explain the data from the double-slit experiment.

As long as I can remember I have been interested in all kinds of theories of how the world works, including religions etc. I have been reading books and watching weeks of videos. The most simple and elegant theory I have found so far is physicist Tom Campbell's "My big TOE" (Theory Of Everything) which has inspired what I have written in the above text. It explains everything from physics to consciousness and the "paranormal". Highly recommended! https://www.youtube.com/user/twcjr44

[amor]

I agree entirely. Everything we see is INSIDE us, including our body images. We really may never SEE what is outside of us which I assume is the mind stuff of God.

[amor]

To Waves: You try not to get indigestion or take yourself too seriously.

[Clear Light]

In other words: the universe is a computer simulation. Nothing in the universe is "real", everything is generated when observed, even your own body. The data tells us that it is not our brain that makes us conscious, because until it is observed by opening the scull or scanning etc, we don't even have a brain. We are non-physical consciousness units having a "computer made", physical experience. This is probably the best way to explain the data from the double-slit experiment

Ah, but I'd say the apparent "external" Universe is like a computer simulation :)

Because on the one hand : It appears we can quite painfully stub our big toe on the edge of some chair or if we were to jump off a cliff it's probably going to cause bodily damage ...

However the most relevant question (I feel) is : "Where do all these experiences seem to happen" ?

My answer : In the Mind only !

Gotta love Quantum Reality eh ?

:sun: :sun: :sun:

[waves]

To Waves: You try not to get indigestion or take yourself too seriously.

I'm trying to make the most of learning this lifetime whatever it takes, and hopefully prevent having to repeat any lessons I missed the opportunity to learn from the first time. Why is it 'taking yourself too seriously' to wonder how to apply the physics of the TOE to everyday life? I think it's the most relevant question!

[aoibhghaire]

“Waves: “Why is it 'taking yourself too seriously' to wonder how to apply the physics of the TOE to everyday life? I think it's the most relevant question!”

I’ve never seen the TOE approach before and therefore have not applied it. However, the method I have used has been significant in my life, and anybody can apply it.

The method I mentioned above (Partnership with Nature Intelligence) you have to personally apply to your life in order to experience its benefits. And it has extraordinary benefits for your health and for your environment. This is an approach you can use personally and it will make a difference by taking charge of your life in a positive, efficient and incredibly effective that affects your life and in the larger world.

What makes this unique is that it establishes a direct, active and personal partnership between you and nature for working together to successfully address the many problems – critical and not so critical - that pummel our everyday lives. Once you apply this approach, you will be convinced that, yes, there is an intelligence in nature, that this intelligence can be accessed by anyone who wishes and that together with this intelligence we can forge a partnership that can make real changes.

My 2 cents

[waves]

“Waves: “Why is it 'taking yourself too seriously' to wonder how to apply the physics of the TOE to everyday life? I think it's the most relevant question!”

I’ve never seen the TOE approach before and therefore have not applied it. However, the method I have used has been significant in my life, and anybody can apply it.

The method I mentioned above (Partnership with Nature Intelligence) you have to personally apply to your life in order to experience its benefits. And it has extraordinary benefits for your health and for your environment. This is an approach you can use personally and it will make a difference by taking charge of your life in a positive, efficient and incredibly effective that affects your life and in the larger world.

What makes this unique is that it establishes a direct, active and personal partnership between you and nature for working together to successfully address the many problems – critical and not so critical - that pummel our everyday lives. Once you apply this approach, you will be convinced that, yes, there is an intelligence in nature, that this intelligence can be accessed by anyone who wishes and that together with this intelligence we can forge a partnership that can make real changes.

My 2 cents

Thank you for your kind reply. After a few readings of both posts on it, I'm not really getting what you mean by 'Nature's Intelligence' if it's different from what has also been described variously as 'creating your reality' and that the less ego/more heartful intention you have, the more effective you are. However, your emphasis on the point that Nature is always in balance adds a new factor I want to think about how to apply.

By the way, my understanding of TOE - Theory of Everything - is as an general acronym being used for quantum/consciousness based theories attempting to explain the nature of reality like Tom Campbells, Nassim Haremeins, etc., not a 'method'. So MBTguy, I agree with how elegant Tom's TOE is, it's been lingering as my favorite reality roadmap for a while, I'm just always wanting to figure out better applications in normal life. But I've long trusted some pretty dependable creation power and am acutely aware of constant synchronicities, so... so far so good too. Thanks for this thread.

[Clear Light]

Thank you so much Clear Blue and Aoi.., your writings are extremely helpful as I continually try to better grasp all of that. Do you have any thoughts on these questions...

1. What have you found are practical ways to apply this understanding to everyday life after getting up and having breakfast?

2. I met an 80 year old retired Stanford physicist recently and asked one question. I asked... since the same spinning/orbiting structures/patterns keep repeating either the smaller we see or the bigger we see, is it probable that either direction is infinite, and our entire universe for example is a molecule in someone elses universe? He said yes.

If so, wow. What do you do after breakfast knowing that? :-)

Oh, so I'd like to come back to your question because I've reconsidered and in a way it is about "knowing" :)

But I don't want to give the impression of some 'knower' who is 'knowing things' or similarly some 'perceiver' who is 'perceiving things' ... so when I said my "mode of perception has changed" (above) I mean it in the sense of the presence of a pervasive quality of "wakefulness" or "aware knowingness" or simply that nowadays I'm more often than not "aware I'm aware" ... lots of words I know haha ;)

[aoibhghaire]

Waves: Regarding "Nature Intelligence"., go to PERELANDRA : Center for Nature Research. www.perelandra.com

[aoibhghaire]

Waves: Sorry, the previous posting had the wrong website name for Perelandra.

Regarding Nature Intelligence., go to PERELANDRA : Center for Nature Research. www.perelandra-ltd.com

The two most useful books I read starting off were “Behaving as if the God in All Life Mattered” and “Co-Creative Science”
I have read most of the other books over the years. The main thing is applying the process of Partnership with Nature Intelligence.

[waves]

Thank you, I will check that out.

In the meantime, I wanted to share a new perspective of what 'being in balance' is that i came across this week. It wasn't even the point of a lecture on being a musician, just a quick aside adding 'that's what being in balance is...' but it jumped out at me and I tried it.

Sounds simple, but it's everything - you're in balance any moment that you're not thinking about yourself. Period. All that run-on chatter of judging yourself, projecting, rueing... etc. One point of being in nature is that it helps to shut that off.

I'd just never heard the point of mind chatter stopping referred to as 'being in balance'. But looking at it as the 'weight lifting' of stopping one-sided chatter shed a new light on it.

[Clear Light]

One point of being in nature is that it helps to shut that off.

I'd just never heard the point of mind chatter stopping referred to as 'being in balance'. But looking at it as the 'weight lifting' of stopping one-sided chatter shed a new light on it.

Ah, yeah, I find Nature has a kind of Grounding effect and helps to get one 'out of the head' so-to-speak and back in to present-time Body awareness ... spending time sitting next to a lake is equally effective too :sun: