Is this really Nibiru ?

[Mutchie]

Hello folks

I came across this video from Soul to soul & in it he claims he has footage of Nibiru

Which was taken off the live feed on the ISS ... it looks REALLY COMPELLING

BUT i would really like to hear from others before making up my mind

here is the video below -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ7m41cRpio

The poster is convinced his channel will be taken down once this goes viral...

He also states the War in Syria is all a BIG DISTRACTION ...

This footage is accompanied by newer footage on his page showing Nibiru

surrounded by 4 other Celestial body's

I am not qualified to be able to tell with certainty that this is REAL.......

it certainly looks real though ...So please i look forward to hearing from others

[ghostrider]

The plejaren say nibiru is an unusually large comet not a planet, with a 3,600 year orbit , and the annunaki is an illusion created by earth humans... The myth goes back to the times of Sumer and Babylon...

[Mutchie]

Hi Ghostrider

I saw a few of his videos where he has pictures which were cited as far back as 2008 they have the MAIN BODY which is a failed sun im assuming then there are 4 planets orbiting ...then he has footage taken recently from the ISS & in Mexico

its HARD knowing what to make of it all .... HENCE ME POSTING :sun:

[grant]

Hay mutchie , to me it looks like something like liquid waste has been sprayed out of the space station , I can see what looks like water vapor trailing out bottom left and out to the blob , im interest in nibiru at the moment , after watching kerrys interviews with kamren faley .
but this one doesnt convince me :-(

[Nick Matkin]

The video says Nibiru has been picked up on webcams in Mexico. In that case lots of Mexican astronomers would also have spotted it, along with many other amateur astronomers across the world.

This keeps coming up year after year - presumably getting closer and closer - and is picked up on ordinary cameras, security cameras, webcams, etc. Yet seems invisible to the naked eye and thousands of well equipped amateur astronomers.

There's probably a good reason for that...

I doubt the video poster will be "taken down" for posting still images of an ill-defined blob. :facepalm:

[astridmari]

For what it is worth Alex Collier said in his latest webseminar (November 20 2015) with JP that Nibiru will be visible sometime in december 2015 - january 2016.
What is the significance of Nibiru?

[betoobig]

"Nibiru (also transliterated Neberu, Nebiru) is a term in the Akkadian language, translating to
"crossing" or "point of transition"
The Nibiru collision is a supposed disastrous encounter between the Earth and a large planetary object (either a collision or a near-miss) which certain groups believe will take place in the early 21st century."

Is supposed to be the Annunaki homeland...
more info here
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_hercolobus.htm
No fear
Much love

[betoobig]

As Gosthrider said it is a comet, Annunakis are supposed to be in the tail of it, traveling through space.

[Ultima Thule]

Dirt in the window?
UT

[CurEus]

Kerry did an interview about this with Andy Lloyd in May


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EWcbGSgqVM

[ghostrider]

If you want to, read contact report #228 , quetzal and Edward discuss nibiru ...

[MorningFox]

It's quite obviously a reflection on the glass. You can see the rest of it coming down over the earth on the left.... :rolleyes:

:crazy::blink:

[Mutchie]

Thank you EVERYONE.

I noted he was trying to say that this object was the same object that GOOGLE SPACE had BLACKED OUT for a few years ...

I have watched the YOWUSA Marshall Masters video's before and they show the failed sun surrounded by 4 planets -

When i saw this it really peaked my interest ...BUT SOME OF YOU STATED - WHY HAVENT OTHERS PICKED UP ON THIS ? A very fair question.

He also has the COMMENTS switched off which is a SHAME because sometimes more information can be found there.

Someone else sent him a message asking if it was possibly DIRT IN THE WINDOW he dismissed that but we never know.

Thank you for your reply's :confused:

[Althena]

This is a recent one and a damn good one...


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[Nick Matkin]

This is a recent one and a damn good one...


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Only visible from San Francisco. How's that possible then?

[Mutchie]

See the above video ... Why is it footage like this keeps getting filmed if it,s all a HOAX ?

The problem with this subject is they have cried WOLF so many times that people just DISMISS anything to do with Nibiru

Maybe we should keep an eye out for further footage because there might be more...

Thank you Nick Matkin & Althena for posting :highfive:

ps - I just looked at that footage again ...HOW IS 2 SUNS POSSIBLE ?

[Nick Matkin]

Without considering NASA, governments or the media, just ask yourself one thing; Why haven't you or I seen Nibiru? Why are the amateur astronomy forums, magazines and websites not buzzing with chatter about it?

How about because it isn't there?

It keeps surfacing with spurious 'proof' - just like flat-earth nonsense keeps surfacing with spurious 'proof'.

I strongly suspect the same mechanism is behind both; it's either simply human gullibility/stupidity or some social experiment is being carried out to see how much the 'educated' Westerners really understand or can be hoodwinked into believing.

There really are genuine mysteries without us being distracted by this sort of bollox.

[Bob]

ps - I just looked at that footage again ...HOW IS 2 SUNS POSSIBLE ?

Hia Mutchie - on your question about two suns possible in an image.. Actually 3 suns present have been filmed.. The phenomenon is due to ICE in the atmosphere.

a pix of that:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Fargo_Sundogs_2_18_09.jpg



Sun dogs are a member of a large family of halos, created by light interacting with ice crystals in the atmosphere. Sun dogs typically appear as two subtly colored patches of light to the left and right of the Sun, approximately 22° distant and at the same elevation above the horizon as the Sun. They can be seen anywhere in the world during any season, but they are not always obvious or bright. Sun dogs are best seen and are most conspicuous when the Sun is close to the horizon.

Some references of early sightings of celestial phenomenon:

Greece
Aristotle (Meteorology III.2, 372a14) notes that "two mock suns rose with the sun and followed it all through the day until sunset." He says that "mock suns" are always to the side, never above or below, most commonly at sunrise or sunset, more rarely in the middle of the day.

The poet Aratus (Phaenomena 880–891) mentions parhelia as part of his catalogue of Weather Signs; according to him, they can indicate rain, wind, or an approaching storm.

http://cc.amazingcounters.com/counter.php?i=3190880&c=9572953
Artemidorus in his Oneirocritica ('On the Interpretation of Dreams') included the mock suns amongst a list of celestial deities.

[Foxie Loxie]

WOW! Thank you so much!

[greybeard]

To be honest I have been pulled into believe in the possibility of Nibiru approaching several times in the past.
I was wrong of course---so I am wary of any suggesting that its out there now.

As was pointed out to me way back then---amateur and professional astronomers would have seen it.
Same applies now.
We live and learn
Chris

[astronomylive]

See the above video ... Why is it footage like this keeps getting filmed if it,s all a HOAX ?

Because people keep filming filter flares with their phones and cameras, but either don't understand how filter flares work, or deliberately lie and pretend it's real. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. It's just a filter flare. It doesn't matter how many times people film filter flares. Yes, it produces a nice round reflection of the sun offset from the sun's position and it appears to remain "stationary." It's not stationary though, or rather, it's "too stationary." By that I mean the filter flare remains fixed in the same place even as the camera is rotated. This is of course unnatural, but by panning the camera around without rotating it appears to remain fixed in the sky at a fixed distance from the sun rather than moving around like a regular lens flare. The problem for the hoaxer is that even in trying to pan the camera without rotating it the human hand is not precise enough to avoid a small degree of rotation. You can't see it when just watching the video, but if you stabilize frames on the sun a second or two apart after a panning motion you'll see that the horizon line is rotated while the filter flare is still in exactly the same place. If you stabilize the frames by aligning the horizon line you can see the perspective distortion from having moved the camera, but the horizon line is now constant in rotation yet the filter flare itself has rotated in an unnatural way:
http://h.dropcanvas.com/fld0p/filterflare2moves.gif
Notice the slight rotation of the filter flare to the left of the sun. It's moving because his motion of the camera is not perfectly panning alone, there's a slight bit of rotation to it, and this produces an equivalent amount of rotation in the filter flare relative to the horizon. It's just too small to see until you grab a couple frames spaced a second or two apart and rotate them to keep the horizon exactly level between the two frames.

[astronomylive]

Thank you EVERYONE.

I noted he was trying to say that this object was the same object that GOOGLE SPACE had BLACKED OUT for a few years ...


That's a frequently repeated lie. The space "blacked out" by google sky is still "blacked out" and is completely different than the location of the "winged object" which has always been on google sky. Here's a video of that "winged object" from years ago on youtube, as proof of the lie that it was only recently "uncensored."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AIpBZos4Rk
The true "missing region" of google sky has been studied by amateur astronomers and in fact the film negatives from the exact missing image have even been located and examined to verify that there is nothing there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YfQCl4TLXE
As for the "winged object," it is a T Tauri star and reflection nebula (T Tauri stars are young pre-main sequence stars frequently associated with reflection nebulae due to their immaturity). It hasn't moved or grown in at least 60 years; the time from the original palomar sky survey images of the nebula until this year when it was again examined by an amateur astronomer with an actual telescope, not just google sky (google sky's mosaic is created from some of the Palomar sky survey images). See the end of this webcast for a side by side comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wpx48cb_44
The "object" seen in the ISS images is just a bit of schmutz on the window of the camera housing. It is always in that location in that particular camera when the lighting is right, no matter where ISS is around the earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=197U9j1XkzE

[Meggings]

This came to me through an old friend. The note on it said "This is not a camera flare. It was seen with the naked eye."

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12321170_712097402257727_7372544661761833088_n.jpg?oh=5628bf1196a43a9be9f2a93df9906ece&oe=571DF5ED

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[Bill Ryan]

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They're a kind of rare refraction effect — a bit like a mirage. And yes, I'm sure they were seen by the naked eye!

But they can't be a real 'second sun'. If they were seen (e.g.) at sunset, then they'd still be in almost exactly the same place, relative to the real sun, the next morning when the sun rose again.

But these artifacts always disappear — because they're artifacts, albeit spectacular ones. Rainbows, sun dogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dogs), halos, Brocken Spectres (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brocken_spectre), and (most) mirages don't last all that long, either. That's because they're all dependent on atmospheric conditions.

Thinking logically, there's no way something like that could appear and disappear, or only appear very occasionally, in some parts of the world but not others. If they were really two suns, everyone would see them, all the time, throughout the day, literally from dawn to dusk, all over the world. (And it would also get pretty hot! :) )

These unusual effects are ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS seen at sunrise or sunset... never in mid-day, when the sun is overhead. (The significance of sunrise or sunset is that there's a LOT more atmosphere between us and the sun at those times, because of the angle of view — which is WHY we get sunset or sunrise atmospheric effects of any kind, and why the sun is so orange then also.

[ks4ever]

If you want to know anything on Nibiru go to Marshall Masters website at
http://yowusa.com/
I have found this site one of the more creditable sites to keep an eye on.
Many prominent scientists, including Patrick Flanagan, have eluded to people being able to see it for themselves by November to December this year.
I am pretty convinced, but seeing is believing and I will wait.

[Carmody]

See the above video ... Why is it footage like this keeps getting filmed if it,s all a HOAX ?

Because people keep filming filter flares with their phones and cameras, but either don't understand how filter flares work, or deliberately lie and pretend it's real. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. It's just a filter flare. It doesn't matter how many times people film filter flares. Yes, it produces a nice round reflection of the sun offset from the sun's position and it appears to remain "stationary." It's not stationary though, or rather, it's "too stationary." By that I mean the filter flare remains fixed in the same place even as the camera is rotated. This is of course unnatural, but by panning the camera around without rotating it appears to remain fixed in the sky at a fixed distance from the sun rather than moving around like a regular lens flare. The problem for the hoaxer is that even in trying to pan the camera without rotating it the human hand is not precise enough to avoid a small degree of rotation. You can't see it when just watching the video, but if you stabilize frames on the sun a second or two apart after a panning motion you'll see that the horizon line is rotated while the filter flare is still in exactly the same place. If you stabilize the frames by aligning the horizon line you can see the perspective distortion from having moved the camera, but the horizon line is now constant in rotation yet the filter flare itself has rotated in an unnatural way:
http://h.dropcanvas.com/fld0p/filterflare2moves.gif
Notice the slight rotation of the filter flare to the left of the sun. It's moving because his motion of the camera is not perfectly panning alone, there's a slight bit of rotation to it, and this produces an equivalent amount of rotation in the filter flare relative to the horizon. It's just too small to see until you grab a couple frames spaced a second or two apart and rotate them to keep the horizon exactly level between the two frames.

The shape of a lens for a cell phone camera and the quality of the housing and barrel, coatings and so on, create a situation where artifacts and internal reflections..all under under extreme contrast conditions, like trying to film/capture bright lights in darker spaces..... are the normal course of affairs.

Real lenses are designed to overcome such issues, as much as is possible. They tend to cost hundreds and up for the lens alone.

Thus, $3-6 auto focusing cell phone cameras with lenses so small that the lens seriously limits fidelity.. well.. they just don't make the cut. Not even close, not even in the same country.

typical cell phone lens. The primary lens ends up creating reflections when bright dots are in the image.

http://www.novuslight.com/uploads//n/SNPS_OptFigure1.jpg

[onawah]

There's a great article about Patrick Flanagan here: http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2012/07/video-tesla-reincarnation-time-travel-extraterrestrials-patrick-flanagan-sterling-allan.html
Does anyone have a link to where he eluded that Nibiru will be visible this year?

[Nick07]

Someone said the plejaren people said that. It's a planet no doubt. Ancient civilizations have talked about it put it on a star map along with other planets and thousands of years later our scientists have found them but they are not saying anything about planet x.

[Lloyd]

Why Not
I read most of Sitchin's books and found them interesting, but I think his stuff is largely disinformation. Hoagland was told that Sitchin was an Israeli Mossad agent or something like that, if I remember right. Dave Talbott said Sitchin's interpretations of the Sumerian tablets were way off. Tom van Flandern said the supposed planets shown on one Sumerian image could not have been the solar system as it existed in Sumerian times. He also said a 3,600 year highly elliptical orbit would be unstable and an object could not remain there for more than one orbit.

Talbott said what Sitchin said were people from a planet Nibiru, were gods of Sumer which were actually planets in the solar system, which the ancestors of the Sumerians thought were large people in the sky. The planets were arranged in a temporarily permanent polar conjunction before the time of the Sumerians; but the knowledge was passed down to them from their ancestors, which is what all ancient mythology is.

Nibiru = Venus; Inana = Venus
Here's something I posted recently on Talbott's forum.
Antoine Gigal
http://gigalresearch.com
I just found out about this unconventional woman Egyptologist. She seems to have a lot of knowledge about ancient myths and she has lived and studied in Egypt for over a decade. She's French, so her English is a little accented. In the first link below there's an interview with her, in which she says there was a female sphinx across the Nile from the male sphinx. She says the pyramids were built when Egypt was forested and had plenty of rain instead of desert and that the famous pyramids were built before a great flood, which was 23 meters deep on the great pyramid. She says a lot of objects and documents go missing after they're sent to labs for analysis, but that oral traditions are reliable. She says Atlantis was ancient Egypt, that "atl" meant "canals". And there were underground places of shelter for the ancient Egyptians. Maybe people survived underground during the Great Flood. What do you think about that?

NIBIRU is NEBHERU, the planet Venus
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61878-Ancient-Egyptians-NIBIRU-is-NEBHERU-the-planet-Venus--
According to the ancient Egyptians: Venus i.e. Hathor or the “House of Hor, the House of Horus, the golden Horus” - In ancient Egyptian "Neb Heru" /NEBHERU/ House of Horus/Venus was known to have had different places in the solar system in the past before stabilizing.
- ... There are no Sumerian tablets that speak about Nibiru,they do not exist! Many people for years asked Sitchin to point out to them where in the Sumerian tablets the references to Nibiru are, but he never gave them this information.

HATHOR and NEBHERU
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/hathor-nebheru.php
[Image of] "Hieroglyph for Hathor: the house of Horus"
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/images/hathor/hathor.jpg
The image shows the head of Horus (a hawk) as white and round, like the planet Venus, and the body light olive green. The body looks like a comet form. Don't you think?

[Image of] "Hathor Hair curls: the path of the planet inside the Solar system in the past;"
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/images/hathor/hathor-03.jpg
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/images/hathor/hathor-04.jpg
"... as well in the horns of the sacred cow another symbol for Hathor."
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/images/hathor/hathor-05.jpg
"As well in the Omega sign : Omega describing also the ancient "forced" path of Venus. For that reason Hathor is depicted as a celestial cow with the cosmos, stars and planets in her dress and with a globe inside her horns."
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/images/hathor/hathor-06.jpg
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/images/hathor/hathor-07.jpg
-The goddess with hair curls looks like the Venus comet.
-The globe in cow's horns also looks like the Venus comet.
-The globe here is reddish, so the comet probably appeared reddish at times, possibly due to dust in the inner solar system.
-The omega symbol looks less like a comet. Maybe comet Venus looked like Omega when facing upward at the horizon. Omega means the end: the end of what?

Ouroboros
The ouroboros was a circle-shaped serpent biting its own tail, or a circle-shaped dragon and serpent biting each other's tails. This circle was formed possibly by the Venus comet, before it appeared as a comet. The circle surrounded Venus and the conjunction of planets. The circle was called the circle of Ra or the house of Ra. Horus was Mars, I think, which was in the house or circle.

Does anyone doubt that Venus appeared as a comet in ancient times? Is there any reason Venus could not have been on an erratic orbit, as Gigal explains? Could Venus have gotten close enough to cause the Great Flood by tidal forces?

[najara12000]

The You Tube channel coming from Texas indicates the Nibiru system is getting closer and closer. This is his latest video as of January 20, 2016.
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It's rather large. I've watched a few of his earlier videos several months ago and whatever it is wasn't as large as it is here in this video.

If this is not Nibiru, then what is the explanation for what he has been tracking?

[OneKind]

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So I have a lot of videos, and I am hoping that someone here might be familiar enough with astronomy to help me ID the little white sun. The one above is one of the clearer examples.

Here's another showing the sun changing sizes without clouds obscuring it...
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[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Nick Matkin]

PpeODyleqGg
So I have a lot of videos, and I am hoping that someone here might be familiar enough with astronomy to help me ID the little white sun. The one above is one of the clearer examples.

Here's another showing the sun changing sizes without clouds obscuring it...
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Perhaps you have found something all the amateur astronomers across the globe with their sophisticated equipment have missed.

[Bill Ryan]

So I have a lot of videos, and I am hoping that someone here might be familiar enough with astronomy to help me ID the little white sun. The one above is one of the clearer examples.



I've just merged your new thread with one of the many that already exist (this one). But there are so many threads about this, many of which ask the same questions, that I was really spoiled for choice!

Do please take a look at my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87041-Is-this-really-Nibiru&p=1030311&viewfull=1#post1030311) (post #24 on this thread), which may offer an answer. (Short version: this is an atmospheric effect, for sure.)

[Ioneo]

It looks like soul to soul is correct. The video is gone.

[najara12000]

I just found this channel recently with information and pictures. (what are they seeing?)

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There are other channels out there, too.

[najara12000]

This is a different channel
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[Ultima Thule]

The You Tube channel coming from Texas indicates the Nibiru system is getting closer and closer. This is his latest video as of January 20, 2016.
Unk7AhK0lqg

It's rather large. I've watched a few of his earlier videos several months ago and whatever it is wasn't as large as it is here in this video.

If this is not Nibiru, then what is the explanation for what he has been tracking?

I personally see in this exactly nothing. As to the question of what he has been tracking - he has been tracking cloud configirurations and atmospheric colors(ie light through mediums). In my opinion, he could have just as easily tracked zoo animals or different makes of cars in the clouds. As he himself points out, it is everytime different - I would say he finds whatever he wants and creates a rationalization to fit it into his context.

I would argue: let the clouds disperse, there is nothing to be seen here. Furthermore I would be most interested if someone in, say this Forum, would come up with a linguistic factor analysis algorhithm that would track different Nibiru-stories and secret space program stories and new age stories/channelings and crunch it down to exactly how few sources in the bowels of internet these stories originate from. At this point most of the info is untraceable rumours.

Also - as to notions of Nibiru not expected for another year or two - perhaps, but then again it has been right around the corner for at least 15 years?

UT

[Richard S.]

Found this:

http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/forth/aa28227-16.pdf

Peculiar that the mainstream seems to be looking for a 9th planet with a 10,000-20,000 year orbit???

[Bill Ryan]

.
Again — please! :facepalm:

If it was next to the sun (and especially if it's supposedly a very large object!), 7 billion people would see it all the time, including when the sun was overhead, and NOT just at sunrise or sunset or in unusual atmospheric and/or cloud conditions.

We have to be intelligent about this. I always appreciate and value curiosity, but we also have to be smart. It's not right next to the sun — it can't be — but I do think that it's very possible a large astronomical object exists out there which the public has not been made aware of. I wrote about this here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88839-Nibiru-Will-Pass-Earth-Before-November-2017-The-Evidence-w-Investigator-David-Meade&p=1047782&viewfull=1#post1047782) (copied below), which najara12000 has already read:






(What I've read here--Bill Ryan doesn't believe this will happen)


Bill believes this Nibiru stuff is untrue because (possibly amongst other reasons) amateur astronomers - many having excellent equipment - would by now have spotted a celestial object that is supposed to be close enough to be visible by everyone by now, or March, or summer 2016, or spring 2017, or autumn 2017, or whenever it's scheduled to appear.




A clarification of my views — if any may be helpful: :)

1) As Nick says, it's nowhere close to Planet Earth. If so, thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world, working for no-one, with excellent telescopes, would be screaming from the rooftops. (They aren't.)

2) All the purported photos of a supposed object near to the sun (usually taken with cellphone cameras, and ALL taken at sunset or sunrise, which tells us something) are of atmospheric anomalies of one kind or another. If it was very close to the sun, 7 billion people would be able to see it every day, including when the sun was overhead. There's nothing there.

3) Zecharia Sitchin's stories of the Anunnaki riding around on Nibiru, patiently waiting (and presumably bravely suffering the extreme cold!) for it to approach Planet Earth again, can't possibly be accurate. The Anunnaki, who certainly existed and continue to exist, are an advanced race with space flight capability of their own. They can — and do — travel here any time they want to.

4) I do believe that a large celestial body that's a member of our solar system, with a highly eccentric and oblique orbit, may very well exist, and it's very possible also that it periodically comes in quite close, in which case electromagnetic effects on the sun and other planets would certainly become evident. A few notes on this:


It might very well be a brown dwarf (as Andy Lloyd argues (http://www.darkstar1.co.uk)).



Project Camelot witness Henry Deacon called it 'the second sun', and was surprised we didn't know all about it. (He told us he had heard it discussed when he was working for a classified project within NOAA. It appears to be well-known within the intel community. I do NOT know why its existence is being kept classified.)



If it is a brown dwarf, it's likely to be very dim optically, but radiating strongly in the infrared. And a number of orbiting infrared telescopes have been launched in recent years, which is interesting.



Bob Dean stated (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM) that he'd heard from reliable sources that 'Nibiru' would come detectably close (my paraphrase) to Earth in 2017. Jake Simpson (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html) confirmed that ('as best he knew', he said).

[Hervé]

This post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities&p=1049530&viewfull=1#post1049530) (<---) may help some in aligning their ducks and deconfuse brown dwarf (i.e. "second sun") from planet and the asteroid and Kuiper belts from the Oort cloud... ?

[OneKind]

Great, thanks for the admin mgmt.
I have a lot of footage from the phenomenon when the sun is directly overhead, in fact I have it from almost every time of day. Atmospheric effect maybe a reason for some of it, but the spatial-temporal aspects are left unexplained... Here's one where the first 40 seconds include the phenomenon directly overhead at around 1100 AM...
Mxjwx8pEvYg I spelled February wrong in it... I know.

[OneKind]

I have a camera stationary, and I am not a photography buff so I ask not facetiously... Is there a reason the filter flare moves across the sky in that case?

[OneKind]

I was the person who shot and posted that video... My more recent ones are more compelling. Nick: with that logic, the first person to observe anything would be denied on account of it being observed only in... ______. It's illogical.

Crap how do I go back to quote?

[OneKind]

See the above video ... Why is it footage like this keeps getting filmed if it,s all a HOAX ?

Because people keep filming filter flares with their phones and cameras, but either don't understand how filter flares work, or deliberately lie and pretend it's real. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. It's just a filter flare. It doesn't matter how many times people film filter flares. Yes, it produces a nice round reflection of the sun offset from the sun's position and it appears to remain "stationary." It's not stationary though, or rather, it's "too stationary." By that I mean the filter flare remains fixed in the same place even as the camera is rotated. This is of course unnatural, but by panning the camera around without rotating it appears to remain fixed in the sky at a fixed distance from the sun rather than moving around like a regular lens flare. The problem for the hoaxer is that even in trying to pan the camera without rotating it the human hand is not precise enough to avoid a small degree of rotation. You can't see it when just watching the video, but if you stabilize frames on the sun a second or two apart after a panning motion you'll see that the horizon line is rotated while the filter flare is still in exactly the same place.

What about instances where the alleged filter flare is not offset but rather superimposed?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87041-Is-this-really-Nibiru&p=1049542&viewfull=1#post1049542

[Bill Ryan]

See the above video ... Why is it footage like this keeps getting filmed if it,s all a HOAX ?

Because people keep filming filter flares with their phones and cameras, but either don't understand how filter flares work, or deliberately lie and pretend it's real. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. It's just a filter flare. It doesn't matter how many times people film filter flares. Yes, it produces a nice round reflection of the sun offset from the sun's position and it appears to remain "stationary." It's not stationary though, or rather, it's "too stationary." By that I mean the filter flare remains fixed in the same place even as the camera is rotated. This is of course unnatural, but by panning the camera around without rotating it appears to remain fixed in the sky at a fixed distance from the sun rather than moving around like a regular lens flare. The problem for the hoaxer is that even in trying to pan the camera without rotating it the human hand is not precise enough to avoid a small degree of rotation. You can't see it when just watching the video, but if you stabilize frames on the sun a second or two apart after a panning motion you'll see that the horizon line is rotated while the filter flare is still in exactly the same place.

What about instances where the alleged filter flare is not offset but rather superimposed?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87041-Is-this-really-Nibiru&p=1049542&viewfull=1#post1049542


That's just refraction through the cloud layer... not (as best I can see) a filter flare. There's really absolutely nothing there that's unusual in any way.

Do please be responsible... although your intentions are good, you're inadvertently misleading a lot of people whose science (or astronomy) is not their strongest suit.

[OneKind]

See the above video ... Why is it footage like this keeps getting filmed if it,s all a HOAX ?That's just refraction through the cloud layer... not (as best I can see) a filter flare. There's really absolutely nothing there that's unusual in any way.

Do please be responsible... although your intentions are good, you're inadvertently misleading a lot of people whose science (or astronomy) is not their strongest suit.

I'm engaging in an honest inquiry making no claims. If I am mistaken in my observations, then the thread should help others similarly situated. Can you help me figure out how the lens is causing the transit of one object between and then away from two others?

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[Bill Ryan]

See the above video ... Why is it footage like this keeps getting filmed if it,s all a HOAX ?That's just refraction through the cloud layer... not (as best I can see) a filter flare. There's really absolutely nothing there that's unusual in any way.

Do please be responsible... although your intentions are good, you're inadvertently misleading a lot of people whose science (or astronomy) is not their strongest suit.

I'm engaging in an honest inquiry making no claims. If I am mistaken in my observations, then the thread should help others similarly situated. Can you help me figure out how the lens is causing the transit of one object between and then away from two others?

AaEJaGw-fDw


It's not "Three Sky Objects". There are three holes (or less opaque areas) in the cloud ... and those areas of the cloud cover move.

It's nothing to do with the camera lens. It's just what clouds do. They shift their form constantly. The light from the sun behind them then appears in different positions, depending on the thickness of the moving layer of cloud between you and the sun.

[najara12000]

Do please be responsible... although your intentions are good, you're inadvertently misleading a lot of people whose science (or astronomy) is not their strongest suit.

this is what that has happened to me. and i don't know where to go and understand this better.

[Hervé]

[...]
I'm engaging in an honest inquiry making no claims.
[...]

It seemed to me that claims were made about 2 suns, 3 objects, etc...


If I am mistaken in my observations, then the thread should help others similarly situated. Can you help me figure out how the lens is causing the transit of one object between and then away from two others?

As far as observations and their description go, they are akin to geocentrism claiming the sun orbits the earth: it's only an apparency.

Your object "A" is the actual sun which light is reflected/refracted by fast moving clouds, back to the camera.

Accordingly, for the length of the video, one can consider the sun to be fairly static in the sky (not moving much from its position).

"B" and "C" are the sunlight being reflected/refracted by fast moving clouds with "C" moving away from possible reflection/refraction back into the direction of the camera's position (hence its apparent "occlusion").

It's all basic optics 101.

As such, I would advise anyone starting on this subject to acquire some clues as to what one is looking at as well as acquire some knowledge and experience as to digital cameras and their limitations and artifacts (i.e. sensor saturation, auto brightness/contrast/gamma adjustments, etc...).

[Nick Matkin]

Perhaps this thread shows again that there are many people who - through no fault of their own - have no idea of how the solar system 'works'. They have no mental image of relative distances and sizes of celestial objects.

If the internet factoid is true that one in four Americans (almost certainly not just Americans!) are unaware that the earth goes round the sun, then should we be surprised if the imminent-arrival-of-Nibiru-and-its-upposed-cover-up story keeps resurfacing over and over?

Nick

[justntime2learn]

Could this be hoaxed ?

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Another extravagant expenditure for the Vatican ?

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What is Secretum Omega ?

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Look at the 1st vid down on http://www.spaceweather.com/ Labled "(UPDATED!) SPHERICAL CAMERA AT THE EDGE OF SPACE" and tell me what the reddish sphere is or is it some kind of flare?

Thanks in advance for the help :)

[ZooLife]

An initial impression of the first video reminds me of a mirror reflection possibly brought on by atmospheric conditions.

By no means am I discounting Nibiru with the comment. It's just an observation.

Couldn't the second video depict Theia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theia_%28planet%29)?

[kirolak]

Would it be a sun dog?

[ZooLife]

Would it be a sun dog?

Or some other type of halo effect/ atmospheric effect.

Typically sun dogs present in pairs.

[justntime2learn]

Look at spaceweather.com as that is most puzzling. What is the red sphere ?

https://theta360.com/s/so38Np9hLyHlHdk7TsuNrPgbw

[najara12000]

So this information dated today, March 1, 2016 is not correct by David Meade:
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[Ultima Thule]

So this information dated today, March 1, 2016 is not correct by David Meade:
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How about you bullet point the most important info in that video in your opinion?

Otherwise - regarding footage of the sun overhead. How about finding a decent dark filter and shoot some videos of the sun on a clear day? That should put the matter at rest as there will be nothing else visible than the sun.

UT

[Ultima Thule]

Look at spaceweather.com as that is most puzzling. What is the red sphere ?

https://theta360.com/s/so38Np9hLyHlHdk7TsuNrPgbw

I'm seeing lens flares and would think that if you get another snapshot, the red sphere is either not there or is shifted.

UT

[najara12000]

So this information dated today, March 1, 2016 is not correct by David Meade:
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How about you bullet point the most important info in that video in your opinion?

Otherwise - regarding footage of the sun overhead. How about finding a decent dark filter and shoot some videos of the sun on a clear day? That should put the matter at rest as there will be nothing else visible than the sun.

UT

Everything I've found on this refers to infrared photography since it is a brown dwarf and the only way to capture it is with infrared. If one wants to attack anyone on this they should attack these people using that type of photography. It still doesn't explain "what" they are filming.

[Ultima Thule]

So this information dated today, March 1, 2016 is not correct by David Meade:
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How about you bullet point the most important info in that video in your opinion?

Otherwise - regarding footage of the sun overhead. How about finding a decent dark filter and shoot some videos of the sun on a clear day? That should put the matter at rest as there will be nothing else visible than the sun.

UT

Everything I've found on this refers to infrared photography since it is a brown dwarf and the only way to capture it is with infrared. If one wants to attack anyone on this they should attack these people using that type of photography. It still doesn't explain "what" they are filming.

I am sorry, I guess I was vague. The bullet points were about the video you posted, what you would consider the most important points, that is. My comment on videos of sun and clear day, were in reference to OneKinds cloudy videos. Didn't mean to mix them, but perhaps I did.

UT

[najara12000]

Hello Ultima Thule,
Here's the bullets but that's not my question. See the end of my post on this response to you after I high light this talk by David Meade.

David Mead is author of “Planet X, 2017 Return”
At this link you see a posted video with a Still shot of what is being photographed in our skies across the world by various people on the internet. I guess, for me, this isn’t as much about proving this is Nemesis/Nibiru or some threat to humanity.
http://planetxnews.com/2016/02/13/planet-x-nibiru-will-pass-by-earth-before-november-2017/
From David Mead’s site:
This video is a compendium of information from every sphere—astronomical, scientific, the Book of Revelation and geopolitics. It contains absolutely amazing revelations that direct us to one precise point in time in 2017. Planet X is a cryptogram and this video covers the keys necessary to decode it. When everything is considered together, it fits together perfectly like a watch.

Now the bullets from the video I posted on this thread earlier:

- Planet X is Real by the Science and it is inbound per human, CIA intelligence, observation, Book Revelation (author referring to two different asteroids headed our direction and one is called Wormwood)
- - Particular question: when will it arrive? Mead researched 5 years no conclusions until this current book: “Planet X, 2017 Arrival”
- - conclusion 10-15 million miles away by the end of 2017
- - Premise of Book based upon research—Book Revelation symbolic and physical evidence and date with discussion in BO Revelation. He believes it’s clearly in this book.
- Government Cover up
- Prophet Daniel Sealed information until the end
- Meade – we are in the final months and years right now
- -not end of world but the last 3 ½ years of the judgments trumpets, seals, etc.
- Apocalypse and instrument used to create disaster is Planet X/Nibiru
- - Precursor of Anti-Christ
- Earth change effects for a month or more
- Prepare spiritually
- Education, knowledge and physical preparation for pre-Planet X events (John Moore interviews lots of navy veterans)
- Nebra Sky Disc/advanced astrological clock
- https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=nebra%20sky%20disk
- Disc hidden from public until 1999/discovered in Germany by treasure hunters/tells of possible last time this system came through
- How Meade calculated arrival time/Rev Chapter 12/Virgo/Sept 23, 2017
- Rev. Chapter 6, verse 12 - Red Dragon visible (only after a full disc solar eclipse) blue skies hide red. Red Dragon is enormous 1/3 of the sky—not literal but object very close to the Earth and as observing from Earth would be blocking 1/3 of the stars. Red Dragon has not crossed the Earth’s orbit. It’s between Earth and Constellation Virgo Before October 17 as referred to verse about Woman is still pregnant. The approach of Planet X to the Earth is hidden by the blue daytime sky until it is very close. When it eclipses the sun * within hours of that time approached perihelion with the sun/Earth.
- October 5, 2017 full moon based upon Rev. Chapter 6 verse 12. This is the date of the visual appearance in our skies of Planet X.
- - Difference between Wormwood and Nibiru. They are the same. Refers to Sitchen (Nibiru-planet of the crossing) Pioneer, Pluto and Pluto’s small moon. Didn’t cause perturbations. US, UK, Norway IRAS 1980’s coined Planet X/Top Secret in US but not in Russia. Approaching from the south of the ecliptic and best seen from the southern hemisphere (South Pole Observatory)
- -Cover up in early 1980’s by U.S. Alternative Media (YouTube) users getting audiences. As soon as users get specific information from certain outlets come under tremendous resistance. Unable to upload videos, taken off the internet. How big is cover up and why is it being covered up?
- Missing money/Rumsfeld day before 9/11 announcement couldn’t account for 2.2 trillion in the Pentagon’s budget. No media follow up.
- - Phil Schneider (former insider area 51) safe havens structures
- Insights to why kept secret from public? Economic, private cartel 300, US not compared to Russia located inland with many structures and cities built inside of a mountain to hold 200,00 people including civilians
- Americans “can” handle the truth
- What to say to those in fear. Events will occur right before planet x approaches Earth. Planet X has high magnetism and affect surface of Earth as it passes and changes core of earth, seismic activity, etc., Planet X is brown dwarf star on an elliptical orbit probably every 3,600 years around the sun.
- -Electromagetical effect and prepare but gov’t didn’t prepare through ignorance the civilian grid. Only on military installations. (Hole in the ozone 4 xs’s size of Earth.) CME shut down circuitry and electronics. Solar or EMP device. FARADAY Cage.
-- instructions to prepare given



My question is very simple: “what are they seeing? People are seeing something. What is it? Maybe there should be a new thread inquiring what this is rather than being included in a thread entitled Planet X / Nibiru. I certainly am not making any kind of argument that it is such but what is it?

Yes they are stating they are using infrared. Yes, they are stating it is coming from the south elliptical. What are they seeing?



YouTube User: jeff P
Nibiru rising with the Sun caught on 4 camera on same day.
Mexico Web Cam
Florida Web Cam
Australia Web Cam
Lake Tahoe Web Cam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5cN5uPpRe8
http://www.addicted-sports.com/webcam/starnbergersee/ammerland/#/2015/07/02/0430/exif/webcam/webcams



This user on you tube also is filming a system:
Planet X and Nibiru System (2016)
https://www.youtube.com/user/musicplyr1979

Another user:
Separated Society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D7Py8C7NYo
He is following a web cam in Mexico.

Steve Olson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da58fqPSJ64
February 29, 2016 updates

[Mutchie]

Alex Jones is claiming IT IS REAL ....Alex Collier IS CLAIMING THE SAME .... im seeing stunning pictures ...John Moore is claiming we are very close to whatever it will bring ... I wish i knew the truth lol thank you for all the comments folks

[Ultima Thule]

Whatever it is they are filming, mostly just clouds and lens flares, other optical anomalies I would argue. This example is worth considering as a good example of the videos, look at for example time 00:40:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5cN5uPpRe8?t=261

At that moment the narrator refers to the spherical halo-like image on the left-hand side of the sun. Earlier he refers to it being somewhere in the vicinity of Mercury/Venus orbits. Think about how large the object would have to be at that distance to have so wide cross section - many times larger than the sun? Venus is seen as a slightly spherical dot to the naked eye at that distance.That spherical form, Nibiru as it is claimed, is enormous. Without calculation I would think off the top of my mind, that it would have to be as big as our sun or even bigger? It looks like something perhaps up to five degrees in width - sun being 0,5 degrees.

What are the odds of that being the case and it having not been found compared to it being a product of anomalies in the optics of the cameras? (and several cameras of the same make exhibiting the same anomaly?)

I find it difficult to believe that such an object of such enormous size and propable mass would go unnoticed. To me it would seem much more plausible that they are seeing images in the clouds as more or less pareidoliac way. I would be much more inclined into thinking that the optics play an important part in these findings.

Also: anything of that size at that distance (or any meaningful distance) would block out the stars behind it and would have to create a round black area in the night sky. At least I think it would.

UT

[Mutchie]

I know this whole subject keeps coming up again and again the Brown Dwark is supposed to be only seen in the infra red but they are claiming it is a mini constellation with planets along for the ride .... Why would ALEX JONES TELL HIS AUDIENCE IT IS REAL ???

[Bill Ryan]

Why would ALEX JONES TELL HIS AUDIENCE IT IS REAL ???

When did he do that, Mutchie? What was the show / date? (Or is it on YouTube somewhere? I'd be interested to listen)

[najara12000]

Why would ALEX JONES TELL HIS AUDIENCE IT IS REAL ???

When did he do that, Mutchie? What was the show / date? (Or is it on YouTube somewhere? I'd be interested to listen)

It's been on the internet the last few weeks: Here is one:
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[Bill Ryan]

Why would ALEX JONES TELL HIS AUDIENCE IT IS REAL ???

When did he do that, Mutchie? What was the show / date? (Or is it on YouTube somewhere? I'd be interested to listen)

It's been on the internet the last few weeks: Here is one:
iDvDAlrxPOo

Many thanks! :thumbsup:

Yes, Alex was talking about the newly discovered large planet way out beyond the Kuiper Belt (that's a long way beyond Pluto). The planet's existence has only been inferred through computer-calculated gravitational anomalies, hasn't been seen in a telescope (no-one knows exactly where to look yet), and its orbit hasn't been figured out yet at all.

So we can safely assume this:


If its orbit brings it closer to the sun (enough to cause any effects on Earth in any way), that won't happen in our lifetimes. It's WAY too distant.



It's certainly not what's being photographed 'next to the sun' by people with their cellphone cameras at sunset or sunrise.

[AriG]

Bill Ryan

It's certainly not what's being photographed 'next to the sun' by people with their cellphone cameras at sunset or sunrise.


Really off topic here, but what is that anomaly? I posted a photo that I took a few weeks ago. What is it?

Here's the photo

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[Nick Matkin]

Bill Ryan

It's certainly not what's being photographed 'next to the sun' by people with their cellphone cameras at sunset or sunrise.


Really off topic here, but what is that anomaly? I posted a photo that I took a few weeks ago. What is it?

Here's the photo

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Sun low on the horizon...? Looks like a typical lens flare.

After all this time people still seem to be confused by them.

Info about lens flares from Digital Photography forum here: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=322682 but there are many other sources of knowledgeable photographers who describe this phenomenon.

[Mutchie]

It is a topic that just WONT die out because for whatever reason people are finding excellent footage of an extremely large object near or behind our SUN ... And of course John Moore who was a GREEN BERET says his military contacts have confirmed it is incoming ... but hey ho life goes on ... if it was to happen im not sure if you would want to be around afterwards cause the world be in a dire mess ... everything would become a struggle i suppose youd just have to make the best of a bad situation !!!

[Kano]

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Again — please! :facepalm:

If it was next to the sun (and especially if it's supposedly a very large object!), 7 billion people would see it all the time, including when the sun was overhead, and NOT just at sunrise or sunset or in unusual atmospheric and/or cloud conditions.

We have to be intelligent about this. I always appreciate and value curiosity, but we also have to be smart. It's not right next to the sun — it can't be — but I do think that it's very possible a large astronomical object exists out there which the public has not been made aware of. I wrote about this here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88839-Nibiru-Will-Pass-Earth-Before-November-2017-The-Evidence-w-Investigator-David-Meade&p=1047782&viewfull=1#post1047782) (copied below), which najara12000 has already read:






(What I've read here--Bill Ryan doesn't believe this will happen)


Bill believes this Nibiru stuff is untrue because (possibly amongst other reasons) amateur astronomers - many having excellent equipment - would by now have spotted a celestial object that is supposed to be close enough to be visible by everyone by now, or March, or summer 2016, or spring 2017, or autumn 2017, or whenever it's scheduled to appear.




A clarification of my views — if any may be helpful: :)

1) As Nick says, it's nowhere close to Planet Earth. If so, thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world, working for no-one, with excellent telescopes, would be screaming from the rooftops. (They aren't.)

2) All the purported photos of a supposed object near to the sun (usually taken with cellphone cameras, and ALL taken at sunset or sunrise, which tells us something) are of atmospheric anomalies of one kind or another. If it was very close to the sun, 7 billion people would be able to see it every day, including when the sun was overhead. There's nothing there.

3) Zecharia Sitchin's stories of the Anunnaki riding around on Nibiru, patiently waiting (and presumably bravely suffering the extreme cold!) for it to approach Planet Earth again, can't possibly be accurate. The Anunnaki, who certainly existed and continue to exist, are an advanced race with space flight capability of their own. They can — and do — travel here any time they want to.

4) I do believe that a large celestial body that's a member of our solar system, with a highly eccentric and oblique orbit, may very well exist, and it's very possible also that it periodically comes in quite close, in which case electromagnetic effects on the sun and other planets would certainly become evident. A few notes on this:


It might very well be a brown dwarf (as Andy Lloyd argues (http://www.darkstar1.co.uk)).



Project Camelot witness Henry Deacon called it 'the second sun', and was surprised we didn't know all about it. (He told us he had heard it discussed when he was working for a classified project within NOAA. It appears to be well-known within the intel community. I do NOT know why its existence is being kept classified.)



If it is a brown dwarf, it's likely to be very dim optically, but radiating strongly in the infrared. And a number of orbiting infrared telescopes have been launched in recent years, which is interesting.



Bob Dean stated (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM) that he'd heard from reliable sources that 'Nibiru' would come detectably close (my paraphrase) to Earth in 2017. Jake Simpson (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html) confirmed that ('as best he knew', he said).



If this video has been posted already, my apologies. I found this video to be scientific and credible (based on my admittedly limited knowledge of celestial movements) and it certainly shows quite clearly that there is a celestial anomaly which is seen much better when viewed from Alaskan telescopes. I'm interested to know what our sky watchers here think of this video.
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[araucaria]

If this video has been posted already, my apologies. I found this video to be scientific and credible (based on my admittedly limited knowledge of celestial movements) and it certainly shows quite clearly that there is a celestial anomaly which is seen much better when viewed from Alaskan telescopes. I'm interested to know what our sky watchers here think of this video.
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If you follow these objects over the few hours it takes the Sun to cross this section of sky, they have moved from the Sun’s right to the Sun’s left. This would suggest that they have completed a sizeable portion of their solar orbit, say about a third. Given that Mercury is pretty fast, orbiting the Sun in just 88 days, which from Earth looks like 116 days, then you are talking about an orbit over 100 times faster than that. I am not an astronomer, but you would need to explain how anything could travel at that sort of speed, especially as the apparent distance from the Sun is more like where you would expect to find Venus, rather than Mercury. Venus orbits the Sun in 224.7 days, making the problem twice as bad. It would seem that no one is seeing Nibiru because it is moving so damn quick :)

[Nick Matkin]

If this video has been posted already, my apologies. I found this video to be scientific and credible (based on my admittedly limited knowledge of celestial movements) and it certainly shows quite clearly that there is a celestial anomaly which is seen much better when viewed from Alaskan telescopes. I'm interested to know what our sky watchers here think of this video.
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Unfortunately the video is not scientific and not credible. Sorry. There are lots of people who have never had the opportunity to become familiar with basic astronomy, but that doesn't have to be a permanent state - really.

If you look at the innumerable posts about Nibiru on this forum and familiarise yourself with the very basics of celestial mechanics, you'll understand why this video (or the others of similar ilk) simply are not proof of an incoming celestial body.

I just can't understand why people still think a celestial body could only be seen at one location and at one time. Like it was an aeroplane! Yet unseen by hordes of serious amateur astronomer across the globe looking for new stuff all the time.

How long has it been approaching us now? But still only a smudge on dawn/dusk videos? Surely it should be filling the sky by now. Oh, that's been postponed again - not until 2017 now I hear. We have heard that before. We can remember all the previous arrival dates can't we...?

Always approaching, but never to arrive.

[Baby Steps]

was told directly in a dream - ' when the face of the warrior appears in the sky'
sorry.....not very scientific.....

[araucaria]

This screen shot taken at 0.17 in a video at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/dormant-black-hole-wakes-up-to-devour-passing-star-at-theoretically-impossible-speed-a7097001.html
below shows a ‘Nibiru and companion’ configuration in the vicinity of a black hole 3.8 billion light years away.

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[Nick Matkin]

This screen shot taken at 0.17 in a video at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/dormant-black-hole-wakes-up-to-devour-passing-star-at-theoretically-impossible-speed-a7097001.html
below shows a ‘Nibiru and companion’ configuration in the vicinity of a black hole 3.8 billion light years away.

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Did you watch the video? I didn't see any relevance to Nibiru or its companion. It's a visualisation of an accretion disk from a star entering a black whole and an assessment of the discovery. And it's 3.8 billion light years away - not even in our galaxy, let alone solar system.

This is what I mean about understanding very basic astronomy.

[araucaria]

This screen shot taken at 0.17 in a video at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/dormant-black-hole-wakes-up-to-devour-passing-star-at-theoretically-impossible-speed-a7097001.html
below shows a ‘Nibiru and companion’ configuration in the vicinity of a black hole 3.8 billion light years away.

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Did you watch the video? I didn't see any relevance to Nibiru or its companion. It's a visualisation of an accretion disk from a star entering a black whole and an assessment of the discovery. And it's 3.8 billion light years away - not even in our galaxy, let alone solar system.

This is what I mean about understanding very basic astronomy.
You are entirely missing my point. Yes of course I watched the video, and the relevance to Nibiru is precisely that what is claimed to be Nibiru in our solar system resembles something visible in a totally different context.