CERN Collides Heavy Nuclei At New Record High Energy

[Clear Light]

From : Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen : CERN collides heavy nuclei at new record high energy (http://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/news/news15/cern-collides-heavy-nuclei-at-new-record-high-energy/)


[25 November 2015]

The world’s most powerful accelerator, the 27 km long Large Hadron Collider (LHC) operating at CERN in Geneva established collisions between lead nuclei, this morning, at the highest energies ever. The LHC has been colliding protons at record high energy since the summer, but now the time has now come to collide large nuclei (nuclei of lead, Pb, consist of 208 neutrons and protons). The experiments aim at understanding and studying the properties of strongly interacting systems at high densities and thus the state of matter of the Universe shortly after the Big Bang


http://www.nbi.ku.dk/Nyheder/nyheder_15/cern-kolliderer-atomkerner-ved-ny-rekordhoej-energi/kollision1280.jpg
Image Description : One of the very first collisions recorded between two lead ions at the LHC’s top energy. The energy in the center-of-mass system is approximately1000 TeV. Todays events bring collisions physics into a new energy scale, that of PeV (Peta-electron-volts). The ALICE detector registered tens of thousands of particles. In this live display the tracks of the particles from the collision point and through the detector are shown in colours corresponding to their mass and type.


In the very beginning, just a few billionths of a second after the Big Bang, the Universe was made up of an extremely hot and dense ‘primordial soup’ consisting of the fundamental particles, especially quarks and gluons. This state is called the quark-gluon-plasma (QGP). Approximately one millionth of a second after the Big Bang, quarks and gluons became confined inside the protons and the neutrons, which are the present day constituents of the atomic nuclei.

The so-called strong force, mediated by the gluons, binds the quarks to each other and - under normal circumstances, trap them inside the nuclear particles. It is however, possible to recreate a state of matter consisting of quarks and gluons, and which behaves as a liquid, in close imitation of the state of matter prevailing in the very early universe. It is this state that has now been realised at the highest temperatures ever attained in collisions using lead ions from the LHC accelerator at CERN.

“The collision energy between two nuclei reaches 1000 TeV. This energy is that of a bumblebee hitting us on the cheek on a summer day. But the energy is concentrated in a volume that is approximately 10-27 (a billion-billion-billion) times smaller. The energy concentration (density) is therefore tremendous and has never been realised before under terrestrial conditions,” explains Jens Jørgen Gaardhøje, professor at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen and head of the Danish research group within the ALICE experiment at CERN.

The state of the universe

Jens Jørgen Gaardhøje explains that the purpose of the collisions is to transform most of the enormous kinetic energy of the colliding atomic nuclei into matter, in the form of a host of new particles (quarks) and their antiparticles (antiquarks) in compliance with Einstein’s famous equation E=Mc2. This creates – for a fleeting moment, a small volume of matter consisting of quarks, antiquarks and gluons that has a temperature of over 4000 billion degrees.

The first collisions were recorded by the LHC detectors, including the dedicated heavy-ion detector ALICE, which has significant Danish participation, immediately after the LHC’s two counter-circulating beams were aimed at each other this morning at 11:15 AM.

“While it is still too early for a full analysis to have been carried out, the first collisions already tell us that more than 30,000 particles can be created in every central collision between two lead ions. This corresponds to an unprecedented energy density of around 20 GeV/fm3. This is more than 40 times the energy density of a proton,” says Jens Jørgen Gaardhøje.

The extreme energy density will enable researchers to develop new and detailed models of the quark-gluon-plasma and of the strong interaction, which binds the quarks and nuclear matter together and thus understand the conditions prevailing in the early universe all the way back to a billionth of a second after the Big Bang.

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Contact : Jens Jørgen Gaardhøje, Professor, head of the ALICE research group, Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, +45 3532-5309, +45 2099-5309, gardhoje@nbi.ku.dk

[Althena]

Stay alert for unusual earthquakes in unsual places today...

[observer]

[....snip]

“The collision energy between two nuclei reaches 1000 TeV. This energy is that of a bumblebee hitting us on the cheek on a summer day. But the energy is concentrated in a volume that is approximately 10-27 (a billion-billion-billion) times smaller. The energy concentration (density) is therefore tremendous and has never been realised before under terrestrial conditions,” explains Jens Jørgen Gaardhøje, professor at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen and head of the Danish research group within the ALICE experiment at CERN. -emphasis by observer

It should also be pointed-out, this CERN-generated hype is not explaining the energy levels accurately. Aside from the reported, "bumblebee hitting us on the cheek on a summer day", the fact remains that the experiment is not looking at one single lead-ion collision. The lead-ion experiment is viewing billions of collisions, simultaneously. Can anybody say, "misrepresentation of the facts"?

Move timer over to around the 8 minute mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHruu355fp0

add:While downplaying the significance of the energy level, the claim is also made that, "....the energy concentration (density) is therefore tremendous and has never been realized before under terrestrial conditions"....

Why would they make this statement in the context of downplaying the levels of energy?

[Clear Light]

Stay alert for unusual earthquakes in unsual places today...

Ah, well as I'm sure you're already aware there are a large number of earthquakes every single day of the year ... but so far since CERN started their new tests, the closest ones have had magnitudes of between 1.5 and 1.9, and were at distances of between 100km and 270km away !

Data Source : EMSC-CSEM (http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/seismologist.php)

[sunshaker]

Cern has been a bit quiet since the "Higgs" was announced, Which I myself believe was rushed through a bit by cern(for publicity to justify expenditure), Many are now doubting the Higgs,
some possible models fermions produced in the decay of a techni-higgs would be very similar to those seen for the Higgs itself. Some believe it's possible to distinguish the Higgs from the techni-higgs, but it would take an even larger and more powerful particle accelerator than the Large Hadron Collider.
Myself I believe the (125GeV)"higgs" is a result of top quark 173Gev/anti top quark decay within the proton.

But I am glad cern do these experiments "even though they done lead to lead collisions in 2010", From what I understand if you remove the electrons from lead you are left with a plasma,
"In these heavy-ion collisions the hundreds of protons and neutrons in two such nuclei smash into one another at energies of upwards of a few trillion electronvolts each. This forms a miniscule fireball in which everything “melts” into a quark-gluon plasma.
The fireball instantly cools, and the individual quarks and gluons (collectively called partons) recombine into a blizzard of ordinary matter that speeds away in all directions"(same as the big bang) which also was supposed to have start less than the size of a Proton.
Are we with these experiments "creating universes" which expand beyond/within our own universe, Perhaps the chicken egg paradox, first we create the universe, which then creates us, allowing us to create universe. Fractal within fractal universes,

But I am eager for the results of these lead ion collisions(BUT THINK THE REAL BREAKTHROUGHS WILL ONLY BE FOUND AT HIGHER SINGLE PROTON TO PROTON COLLISIONS) I am waiting for new particles to be found with energies of 692gev, 2076gev also 3460gev and 29584gev but I still do not think we yet have enough energy to reach these higher energy particles, or the equipment yet to measure them.
The deeper we probe within, the higher the order of magnitude of energy we encounter within. We are unsure what we will find, there is always a danger we will find energies we did not expect, higher energy may produce a chain reaction we cannot stop.
But in the name of science we press forward:sun:perhaps our end is another's beginning, If we do find particles with the energies I have mentioned above, then I will start worrying:shocked:

[Althena]

Stay alert for unusual earthquakes in unsual places today...

Ah, well as I'm sure you're already aware there are a large number of earthquakes every single day of the year ... but so far since CERN started their new tests, the closest ones have had magnitudes of between 1.5 and 1.9, and were at distances of between 100km and 270km away !

Data Source : EMSC-CSEM (http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/seismologist.php)

Yes, there are earthquakes every day, I'm from Silicon Vallley, I mean in unusual places when CERN fires it up...

[SilentFeathers]

Stay alert for unusual earthquakes in unsual places today...

Ah, well as I'm sure you're already aware there are a large number of earthquakes every single day of the year ... but so far since CERN started their new tests, the closest ones have had magnitudes of between 1.5 and 1.9, and were at distances of between 100km and 270km away !

Data Source : EMSC-CSEM (http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/seismologist.php)

Yes, there are earthquakes every day, I'm from Silicon Vallley, I mean in unusual places when CERN fires it up...

Earthquakes????? I'm a bit more con"cerned" about fluctuations in space and time in our reality and or tears in dimensional barriers beyond our comprehension....

[observer]

Ah, well as I'm sure you're already aware there are a large number of earthquakes every single day of the year ... but so far since CERN started their new tests, the closest ones have had magnitudes of between 1.5 and 1.9, and were at distances of between 100km and 270km away !

Data Source : EMSC-CSEM


More disinfo....

I'm not certain how you are reading the chart, Clear Blue, but it appears as though you are cherry-picking data to suit your conclusions.

This partial list is from the chart you linked, beginning on page 3 at 9:00 in the morning and going-on to just past 2:00pm on the 25th". And, there are still two more pages of data including numerous quakes over the 5.0 magnitude to go, on the link that your provided, Clear Blue. I took the liberty to highlight the quakes over 4.5 magnitude just in this 5 hour window:

2015-11-25 14:14:58.2 36.77 N 121.29 W 8 MD 2.3 A CENTRAL CALIFORNIA NC
2015-11-25 14:02:02.5 36.93 N 97.81 W 7 mb 3.1 M OKLAHOMA NEIC
2015-11-25 13:55:39.5 38.72 N 20.61 E 7 ML 2.7 M GREECE THE
2015-11-25 13:50:47.2 46.18 N 7.68 E 37 ML 1.7 A SWITZERLAND SED
2015-11-25 13:42:25.5 58.39 N 11.31 E 1 A SWEDEN NEWS
2015-11-25 13:41:14.0 53.86 N 5.78 E 1 A THE NETHERLANDS NEWS
2015-11-25 13:36:35.0 33.55 S 148.95 E 2 M 2.0 M NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA AUST
2015-11-25 13:23:03.5 49.94 N 18.73 E 10 ML 2.6 A POLAND GFU
2015-11-25 13:20:43.0 33.91 S 72.64 W 40 ML 3.9 M OFFSHORE O'HIGGINS, CHILE GUC
2015-11-25 13:16:32.9 18.82 N 64.32 W 77 Md 2.6 M VIRGIN ISLANDS REGION PR
2015-11-25 13:05:12.4 0.36 N 99.79 E 70 mb 4.6 M NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA GSRC
2015-11-25 13:03:07.0 6.19 N 73.76 W 97 ML 2.1 A NORTHERN COLOMBIA RSNC
2015-11-25 13:00:39.0 31.32 S 138.70 E 10 M 2.6 M SOUTH AUSTRALIA AUST
2015-11-25 12:24:09.0 54.64 N 73.24 E 2 ML 2.7 A SOUTHWESTERN SIBERIA, RUSSIA NNC
2015-11-25 12:18:42.0 33.27 N 72.06 E 2 ML 2.8 A PAKISTAN NNC
2015-11-25 12:03:14.8 38.80 N 20.45 E 26 ML 2.1 M GREECE THE
2015-11-25 11:59:07.6 38.49 N 22.41 E 8 ML 2.5 A GREECE THE
2015-11-25 11:38:35.7 47.83 N 6.91 E 4 ML 1.9 A FRANCE SED
2015-11-25 11:36 M MCSM
2015-11-25 11:23:05.0 4.50 N 125.50 E 200 M 5.1 M KEPULAUAN SANGIHE, INDONESIA AUST
2015-11-25 11:23:03.3 4.21 N 125.80 E 154 mb 5.0 M KEPULAUAN SANGIHE, INDONESIA NEIC
2015-11-25 11:23:02.7 4.18 N 125.95 E 136 M 4.7 A KEPULAUAN SANGIHE, INDONESIA GFZ
2015-11-25 11:23:02.1 4.26 N 125.87 E 150 Mw 4.7 M+ KEPULAUAN SANGIHE, INDONESIA INFO
2015-11-25 11:23:02.0 Moment tensors A KEPULAUAN SANGIHE, INDONESIA MT
2015-11-25 11:23:00.7 4.39 N 125.94 E 128 M 5.3 A KEPULAUAN SANGIHE, INDONESIA SC3
2015-11-25 11:22:59.6 4.47 N 126.00 E 117 M 5.2 A KEPULAUAN TALAUD, INDONESIA KAN
2015-11-25 11:22:59.6 4.25 N 125.76 E 150 mb 5.1 M KEPULAUAN SANGIHE, INDONESIA GSRC
2015-11-25 11:15:27.4 19.11 N 64.37 W 47 Md 2.7 M VIRGIN ISLANDS REGION PR
2015-11-25 11:06:36.0 44.54 N 82.85 E 2 ML 2.5 A NORTHERN XINJIANG, CHINA NNC
2015-11-25 10:51:40.7 36.21 N 23.36 E 28 ML 3.6 A SOUTHERN GREECE THE
2015-11-25 10:51:40.1 36.17 N 23.28 E 40 f A SOUTHERN GREECE DSL
2015-11-25 10:51:38.8 36.15 N 23.34 E 59 ML 3.4 M SOUTHERN GREECE THE
2015-11-25 10:51:38.7 36.21 N 23.40 E 53 ML 3.4 M SOUTHERN GREECE KAN
2015-11-25 10:51:38.6 36.15 N 23.34 E 59 ML 3.4 M+ SOUTHERN GREECE INFO
2015-11-25 10:51:37.6 36.16 N 23.25 E 68 M 3.7 A SOUTHERN GREECE KAN
2015-11-25 10:51:28.4 35.74 N 22.01 E 10 A CENTRAL MEDITERRANEAN SEA HSNC
2015-11-25 10:46:09.0 44.54 N 82.85 E 2 ML 2.4 A NORTHERN XINJIANG, CHINA NNC
2015-11-25 10:31:53.7 37.21 N 28.14 E 5 ML 2.6 M WESTERN TURKEY KAN
2015-11-25 10:28:04.3 27.97 N 51.81 E 18 ML 3.9 M PERSIAN GULF IGUT
2015-11-25 10:23:42.0 12.21 N 88.93 W 282 M 4.9 A OFF THE COAST OF EL SALVADOR VAO
2015-11-25 10:23:04.0 14.29 N 91.12 W 83 mb 4.7 A GUATEMALA GFZ
2015-11-25 10:23:03.1 14.12 N 91.21 W 80 mb 4.7 M GUATEMALA NEIC
2015-11-25 10:23:02.6 14.14 N 91.23 W 80 mb 4.7 M+ GUATEMALA INFO
2015-11-25 10:23:00.0 14.14 N 91.30 W 70 mb 4.9 M GUATEMALA GSRC
2015-11-25 10:19:04.4 34.98 N 32.80 E 31 MD 2.1 M CYPRUS REGION NCSS
2015-11-25 10:19:02.6 34.75 N 32.84 E 25 ML 2.0 M CYPRUS REGION KAN
2015-11-25 10:16:22.7 43.74 N 84.45 E 12 mb 3.8 M NORTHERN XINJIANG, CHINA NNC
2015-11-25 10:08:43.4 36.15 N 33.54 E 3 M 2.0 A CENTRAL TURKEY KAN
2015-11-25 10:05:56.9 39.59 N 29.55 E 14 M 2.2 A WESTERN TURKEY KAN
2015-11-25 10:02:28.0 37.81 N 77.79 E 2 ML 2.9 A SOUTHERN XINJIANG, CHINA NNC
2015-11-25 10:02:18.6 39.67 N 27.96 E 2 ML 2.1 M WESTERN TURKEY KAN
2015-11-25 09:58:18.7 36.01 N 117.70 W 2 ML 2.4 M CENTRAL CALIFORNIA CI
2015-11-25 09:58:18.7 36.01 N 117.70 W 2 ML 2.3 A CENTRAL CALIFORNIA CI
2015-11-25 09:58:18.7 36.01 N 117.70 W 1 ML 2.4 A CENTRAL CALIFORNIA CI
2015-11-25 09:57:14.7 38.68 N 20.55 E 5 ML 3.0 A GREECE THE
2015-11-25 09:57:12.2 38.73 N 20.56 E 1 ML 2.9 M GREECE THE
2015-11-25 09:50:12.1 39.14 N 29.06 E 6 ML 2.7 M WESTERN TURKEY KAN
2015-11-25 09:50:11.6 39.09 N 29.10 E 4 M 2.6 A WESTERN TURKEY KAN
2015-11-25 09:45:47.6 8.53 N 40.56 W 10 M 4.6 A CENTRAL MID-ATLANTIC RIDGE VAO
2015-11-25 09:43:53.2 38.52 N 20.52 E 15 ML 2.2 M GREECE THE
2015-11-25 09:38:15.5 0.66 S 29.65 E 10 ML 4.6 M+ LAKE EDWARD REGION, UGANDA INFO
2015-11-25 09:38:13.1 0.08 S 29.78 E 10 mb 4.5 M LAKE EDWARD REGION, UGANDA NEIC
2015-11-25 09:38:12.2 0.66 S 29.65 E 10 ML 4.6 M LAKE EDWARD REGION, UGANDA SASN
2015-11-25 09:38:12.2 0.66 S 29.65 E 10 ML 4.6 M LAKE EDWARD REGION, UGANDA SASN
2015-11-25 09:34:47.4 40.84 N 27.87 E 8 ML 2.1 M WESTERN TURKEY KAN
2015-11-25 09:28:24.3 40.88 N 27.85 E 6 ML 2.3 M WESTERN TURKEY KAN
2015-11-25 09:26:23.5 8.54 S 71.38 W 642 mb 4.6 M ACRE, BRAZIL NEIC
2015-11-25 09:26:23.3 8.53 S 71.17 W 659 mb 4.7 M+ ACRE, BRAZIL INFO
2015-11-25 09:26:22.7 8.51 S 71.37 W 638 M 5.2 A ACRE, BRAZIL SC3
2015-11-25 09:26:22.6 8.54 S 71.36 W 642 mb 4.9 M ACRE, BRAZIL GFZ
2015-11-25 09:26:21.8 8.50 S 71.50 W 640 mb 4.9 M ACRE, BRAZIL GSRC
2015-11-25 09:06:33.6 38.74 N 20.47 E 5 ML 2.8 A GREECE THE
2015-11-25 09:01:50.5 41.57 N 28.80 E 3 ML 2.4 M WESTERN TURKEY KAN
2015-11-25 09:00:08.7 36.64 N 99.00 W 5 mb 2.6 M OKLAHOMA NEIC

[Clear Light]

Click-on the forwarding icon to see Clear Blue's comment #4

More disinfo....

I'm not certain how you are reading the chart, but it appears as though you are cherry-picking data to suit your conclusions.



Oh, not at all Observer ... I merely selected those Earthquakes closest to CERN in the last 36 hours or so (since the new experiments started) ... i.e. those which occurred in France, Switzerland or Northern Italy !

[ghostrider]

be on guard for extreme weather ... those experiments have side effects across a wide spectrum ... what they are doing they've never done before ... they are clueless , they only speculate , remember the whole thing is to see what happens when particles collide at high speed ...

[Clear Light]

[....snip]

“The collision energy between two nuclei reaches 1000 TeV. This energy is that of a bumblebee hitting us on the cheek on a summer day. But the energy is concentrated in a volume that is approximately 10-27 (a billion-billion-billion) times smaller. The energy concentration (density) is therefore tremendous and has never been realised before under terrestrial conditions,” explains Jens Jørgen Gaardhøje, professor at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen and head of the Danish research group within the ALICE experiment at CERN. -emphasis by observer

It should also be pointed-out, this CERN-generated hype is not explaining the energy levels accurately. Aside from the reported, "bumblebee hitting us on the cheek on a summer day", the fact remains that the experiment is not looking at one single lead-ion collision. The lead-ion experiment is viewing billions of collisions, simultaneously. Can anybody say, "misrepresentation of the facts"?


Um, perhaps this article will help to put things in perspective with regards to the levels (scale) of energies involved : IceCube reveals two neutrinos over 1 PeV (http://icecube.wisc.edu/news/view/121)

Quote : Last June, attendees at the Neutrino 2012 international conference heard about two rare events observed by the IceCube neutrino telescope. Science-trained eyes immediately classified them as something they had never seen before. In a paper submitted to Physical Review Letters [1], the IceCube Collaboration confirms that those two events are the two highest energy neutrinos ever observed. The events have estimated energies of 1.04 ± 0.16 and 1.14 ± 0.17 PeV, hundreds of times larger than the energy of a proton at the LHC.

[1] : First observation of PeV-energy neutrinos with IceCube (http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.5356)

[betoobig]

excuse me but Simon Parkes said the collider broke down and it should need reparations from 5 to 10 years???
so it aint broke. . . :facepalm:
no fear
much love

[observer]

Click-on the forwarding icon to see Clear Blue's comment #4

More disinfo....

I'm not certain how you are reading the chart, but it appears as though you are cherry-picking data to suit your conclusions.



Oh, not at all Observer ... I merely selected those Earthquakes closest to CERN in the last 36 hours or so (since the new experiments started) ... i.e. those which occurred in France, Switzerland or Northern Italy !

While some members are looking for (perhaps) a galaxy-wide plasma-effect event, i.e. with Earth>Sun>Solar System>Galaxy implications, others among us, are focusing only on "local effects".

There has already been established, by several respected researchers, a Sun/Earth Tectonic Effect (unrelated to CERN). It has also already been shown there is a CERN/Magnetosphere Distortion Effect being observed. These effects are both Plasma Related Events.

Why then should we be looking only in the vicinity of the LHC for earth quake effects? This is the reason I said, "the data was being cherry-picked". It is also why I went back to 9:00am on the 25th and looked at all earthquakes listed over 4.5 magnitude.

[sunshaker]

[....snip]

“The collision energy between two nuclei reaches 1000 TeV. This energy is that of a bumblebee hitting us on the cheek on a summer day. But the energy is concentrated in a volume that is approximately 10-27 (a billion-billion-billion) times smaller. The energy concentration (density) is therefore tremendous and has never been realised before under terrestrial conditions,” explains Jens Jørgen Gaardhøje, professor at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen and head of the Danish research group within the ALICE experiment at CERN. -emphasis by observer

It should also be pointed-out, this CERN-generated hype is not explaining the energy levels accurately. Aside from the reported, "bumblebee hitting us on the cheek on a summer day", the fact remains that the experiment is not looking at one single lead-ion collision. The lead-ion experiment is viewing billions of collisions, simultaneously. Can anybody say, "misrepresentation of the facts"?


Um, perhaps this article will help to put things in perspective with regards to the levels (scale) of energies involved : IceCube reveals two neutrinos over 1 PeV (http://icecube.wisc.edu/news/view/121)

Quote : Last June, attendees at the Neutrino 2012 international conference heard about two rare events observed by the IceCube neutrino telescope. Science-trained eyes immediately classified them as something they had never seen before. In a paper submitted to Physical Review Letters [1], the IceCube Collaboration confirms that those two events are the two highest energy neutrinos ever observed. The events have estimated energies of 1.04 ± 0.16 and 1.14 ± 0.17 PeV, hundreds of times larger than the energy of a proton at the LHC.

[1] : First observation of PeV-energy neutrinos with IceCube (http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.5356)

I seen this about these 1 pev neutrinos:

Even the highest energy cosmic rays produce neutrinos only about a tenth as energetic as the ones detected at IceCube.

This essentially means that whatever we're seeing wasn't created in our solar system, and very likely not in our Galaxy at all. Instead, we're seeing relic neutrinos from halfway across the universe. From where? We can't say.
"Looks like we may not be the only ones playing with colliders Perhaps these 1 pev neutrinos may be the LAST and only monument left of another advanced civilizations quest for knowledge.

[wnlight]

About that long list of earthquakes, seems to be a little more than on a typical day but not extreme.

[wnlight]

"I am waiting for new particles to be found with energies of 692gev, 2076gev also 3460gev and 29584gev but I still do not think we yet have enough energy to reach these higher energy particles, or the equipment yet to measure them."
sunshaker, the energies that you mention would take continent-wide super-colliders consuming tremendous energies. Who would want to pay that bill?

Also, the 'big bang' is only a theory that people love to believe. Although Nobel prizes where handed out to a few who found some evidence, the theory has never been proven.

[sunshaker]

"I am waiting for new particles to be found with energies of 692gev, 2076gev also 3460gev and 29584gev but I still do not think we yet have enough energy to reach these higher energy particles, or the equipment yet to measure them."
sunshaker, the energies that you mention would take continent-wide super-colliders consuming tremendous energies. Who would want to pay that bill?

We know us humans, once we build something, we want them bigger,smaller, faster, we see the steps we have made in a few decades with computers, a computer that used to fill a large building can now fit in our pockets.

There are plenty of next generation colliders already on the drawing board.
http://www.nature.com/news/china-plans-super-collider-1.15603
32041
Perhaps soon there will be a break through, where we do not even need these 10's of kilometre long rings.

[wnlight]

There was a huge breakthrough back in the late seventies when super-colliders began to use super-cooled magnets. This allowed using less electrical energy to produce higher energy particles. Perhaps it is time for a newer, fantastic breakthrough.

[ThePythonicCow]

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CERN Large Hadron Collider - A Conspiracy Theory.

My son, Sam (who is visiting me at present) and I came up with what might be a better understanding of what's going on at the CERN Large Hadron Collider.

Here are some data points, opinions and observations, which lead up to this conspiracy theory:

Conventional mainstream physics (quantum, relativity, particle, and astronomy) is in my view an elaborate distraction from a far better "hidden" physics that is being developed behind a cloak of secrecy.
A key area of study in this "hidden" physics is the study of rotating and counter rotating charges, including using mercury in the Nazi Bell, charged particles in the vacuum rings of a collider, and high currents flowing through superconducting Neptunium Element 93.
CERN has already shown itself to be at the forefront of introducing methods of world wide information sharing and control, with Tim Berners-Lee's introduction of the Web browser, from CERN, in 1989.
The most critical input to conventional subatomic physics studies at present comes from the data streams from colliders, and CERN's Large Hadron Collider is the exclusive provider of the best available data.

So, my son and I speculate that the large underground rings at CERN, with their capacity to generate counter-rotating rings of charged particles at higher energies than ever before, are being used to study "hidden" physics, while some of the computing and data transmission capacity of CERN is being used to provide essentially fake data to the scientists around the world who are supporting conventional mainstream physics.

This certainly would not be the first time that the true nature of major scientific or engineering projects/events was hidden from view. Recall the Manhattan Project, in which the USA developed the atomic bomb during World War II, keeping it secret until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or recall the compelling arguments that the Apollo Moon Landings were not as they seemed (what they really were is still not public.)

[ThePythonicCow]

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Correction:



superconducting Neptunium Element 93
Correction - it's not pure neptunium that superconducts, but rather a neptunium-palladium-aluminum alloy.

From http://everything.explained.today/Neptunium/

One neptunium-based superconductor alloy has been discovered with formula NpPd5Al2. This occurrence in neptunium compounds is somewhat surprising because they often exhibit strong magnetism, which usually destroys superconductivity. The alloy has a tetragonal structure with a superconductivity transition temperature of −268.3 °C (4.9 K)

This correction does not effect my CERN speculation in my previous post above, and after a day's consideration, I will confess that I am still quite enamored of this CERN speculation.

Refinement:


I would make this refinement to this speculation however.

Perhaps both "hidden" physics experiments and conventional physics experiments are conducted on the CERN Large Hadon Collider. If nothing else, that collider is certainly sufficiently complex to support such a variety of uses.

If this is the case, I presume that sufficient effort is made ensure that neither knowledge of the "hidden" physics work nor anything too disruptive of the conventional physics models is allowed to leak out to the conventional physics researchers using that data around the world.

More on Neptunium:


I don't recall exactly where now, but my recollection is that I've seen two references to Neptunium in the last week. One from Clif High, and one connecting Neptunium with Hillary Clinton's Uranium One deal. In that second reference, it was claimed that the best way to make Neptunium was to bombard highly enriched Uranium (such as Hillary allegedly sold to the Russians in the Uranium One deal) with neutrons, which will bump some of the 92 proton nuclei in Uranium up to the 93 proton nuclei in Neptunium

In any case, the combination of both strong magnetism and superconductivity in the same material is apparently quite unusual, and could produce some most interesting results in our "hidden" physics laboratories and subsequently deployed technology.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't recall exactly where now, but my recollection is that I've seen two references to Neptunium in the last week. One from Clif High, and one connecting Neptunium with Hillary Clinton's Uranium One deal.
The reference to Neptunium and Hillary Clinton's Uranium One deal was from the following Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3949fxzpCjg, which has been posted on several Avalon threads over the last week or two, including on the thread Uranium, Neptunium, Secret Space Program leaking out (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100536-Uranium-Neptunium-Secret-Space-Program-leaking-out).

[Rawhide68]

Here is a a very good, informative and interesting interview with Fritz Springmeier regarding what CERN Is all about.

He gives a good intruduction for dummies to start with about basic physics and some pilosopy "Felix Culpa " was new to me for examlpe.


Fritz have theese "concerns" with Cern.
If you don´t (for some reason) have time to wathe the whole interview, use time stamps to quick forward.

1. Why Spend all that amounts of money to get it built ? 25:40
2. Universe is right in between instability and stability. 30:25
3. Why would Illuminati get involved in CERN? 32:25
4. Mandela Effect (Caused by changing the mass of a proton) 37:25
5. Spiritual concerns 42:35
6. Preparing false flag (Hoover Dam?) 49:08

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